#trilema | 2014-08-23

ThickAsThieves: or me not learning my lesson << gotta love the ambiguity in a functioning market.

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BingoBoingo i dunno dood, so some guy in new york likes to write bitcoin fanfic. so what of it ?

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whatever floats anyone's boat.

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Fanfic is fanfic until Disney buys out Lucasfilm and they promise a feature film every year.

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in this particular case, fanfic stays fanific. there's no disney to buy, no lucasfilm to buy and nothing to buy it with.

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jurov: apparently mircea moved the decimal dot << dots are hard.

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;;later tell foofingers: Hi people. My is Daniel Marcus. I work together with asciilifeform. And I'm here to do some business with bitcoins. Thank you for having me! << welcome

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The operation succeeded.

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;;ticker --market all

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22i768/raiffeisen_bank_international_internal_memo/ << lolz.

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Raiffeisen Bank International internal memo : Bitcoin

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teh lines do get drawn. for their safety.

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lol, I can't believe I'm still snacking on Dates. Why the fuck did I buy so many dates?

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dates rock.

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Yeah, go great with Gin and Tonics

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%p

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[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.47 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 770.80 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.01 TH/s

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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ottoman empire << 'the sultans' (n. barber) << yes.

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also the extant memoirs of the various valide sultanas over the years.

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ThickAsThieves: i'm listening to Snow Crash currently, after getting burnt out on Taleb telling everything what it's problem is <<< ahahah good one.

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total asshole, that guy, isn't he.

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punkman: pete_dushenski: sounds like a death wish << i'd definitely mow him down. fucking biking hipsters.

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bats_cd03: i know mircea_popescu would approve, somehow << are the chicks mensturating and defecating on some sort of holy black flag ?

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%d

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 231723.59 in 1798 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.66

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look at that, maybe it'll live.

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!up bats_cd03

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why'd you evolve from mats to bats anyway ?

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ya isis flag

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!up abathingape

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hmmm

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bats_cd03 not bad. pity they didn't have bitcoin addy on tits.

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all i want is to fit in with da cool kids

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me too!

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whats great is you can tell they've seen some shit, and those weapons ain't for show

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https://www.ssense.com/men/product/dolce_and_gabbana/navy-double-closure-high-top-sneakers/104266

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Dolce & Gabbana: Navy Double Closure High-Top Sneakers | SSENSE

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oops wrong chat durp

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BingoBoingo: Basically ever since 2004 when I bought a computer I've been waiting for an opportunity to use GPG and... Bitcoin afforded that. << a happy fate.

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some hajjis r gonna be mad when they find out there are women cumming to kill them and take their virgins

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bats_cd03 and take THEM as virgins

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which they are, right ? back there ?

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abathingape and on what chan was that supposed to belong ?

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mircea_popescu: I know right

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(some hajjis believe you can't ascend to heaven if a woman kills you)

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;;google la petite mort

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#bitcointraders of course

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yeah definitely. young male virgins looove war.

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no holds barred? work for free.

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youtubetard: more complexity is the nature of all things in the long term. So the rise of many many many micro states is very likely. People see Liechtenstein's success << this is actually a solid point, as unexpected and tenuous as it may seem.

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from a macro perspective the average state size is so heavily upper bound and so set to drastically decline...

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xmj: What would make for a better home base in 2015 or 2016: Luxembourg, Monaco or Jersey/Guernsey? << awful, all of them.

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%p

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[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.71 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 679.56 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.31 TH/s

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;;calc 1.7 * 10 ** 6 * 2 * 7

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23800000

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lol look at that, X-Rob is practically at even within a week.

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i suck at mining futures.

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!up Wexel

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The20YearIRCloud: Most US states are run pretty well, but when you add the federal goverment into it, it becomes a huge mess << this isn't actually true. most of the rent seeking gunk is currently sucking out of washington because that's where the teats are, and so this gives the convincing but ultimately false impression individual states are better run.

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should the teasts move, within a year and a half tops the local states'd be in such a mess you wouldn't believe your eyes.

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dynamic equilibriums. always a bitch.

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Missouri goes back to lead mining, Illinois mines coal, Ohio mines butthurt

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The20YearIRCloud: left to their own devices, California, Illinois, new york and maryland would implode << exactly. they're also the only three examples where a trickle of leeching happens even with the federal govt (ie, it's where corrupt politicians try to build a career state-level)

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(maryland excepted. i have nfi idea what it's even for. without washington it'd look like detroit five weeks after everyone grew wings)

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I'm basing my statement on individual states based on balanced books and economic outlook, i realize that states suck the government teat, however if you look at total federal aid and who it goes to ,the big thing is military aid

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not what i mean.

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what i mean is, the porkbarrel leeches that curently push and deform washington

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would just move over to ohio state capitol.

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You also have to realize those politcians getting the pork are not the ones who run the state

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The20YearIRCloud: A lot of military pork is spent in Ohio

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Sure it is

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The lima tank plant is prolly the best example of pork military spending out there

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the entire "federal funds" thing has nothing to do with anything. they're not "federal" funds in any sense.

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people made it.

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And it being spent there eases the jobs of the state level comrades

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The difference in most states is that you elect senators on a state-wide level, so it's very easy to stack votes in areas (And I blame it on fraud) leading to very centrist/leftist politicians in washington

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sure. but if there were no feds, the same money would still be available.

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The20YearIRCloud trust me, new gerrymandering would be invented.

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the current system didn't exist before it was needed either.

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For state senators, it's based on geographic districts, and the heavily urban areas have limited voting abilities, so here in ohio, 70% of state senators/house members are right/non-left

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inasmuch as there's a public treasury somewhere, there's going to be a troop of people forcing it open.

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wherever you houise it, washington or akron, they'll take a bus

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they'll swim if they have to.

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Sure, but if you look at each state, some states have essentially become mini-washingtons, and others are not

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only because some states have stuff to be leached and some don't.

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Not every state is constantly growing the size of government or increasing efficientcy

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illinois is bigger and richer than ohio. so is california. so is ny. that is all.

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Texas has plenty to be leached and they continue to have a balanced budget and generally more efficient finances

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it's a matter of size not quality. once the pig is ripe, it gets sliced.

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granted, texas is a decent-ish counterexample

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Ohio is 7th largest in GDP

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Florida is also leaps and bounds better than the liberal states, and they're large as well

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i will call this variance.

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by and large, it won't make a difference.

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The20YearIRCloud: If we go truly paleo Illinois has so much more to sell in... Biodiesel...

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take out chicago and illinois isn't bad

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just like upstate NY and most (geographically) of california

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it all comes down to dense urban areas vs everyone else

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urban areas want to control everything, rural areas typically don't

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just because rural folk are slow doesn't mean they're immune from falling.

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The20YearIRCloud: But without Chiraq where do you harvest easy lipids for rendering?

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people

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ANd where are they?

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People are in cities

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Like... SHitcago?

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Yeah, and detroit, saint louis, atlanta, chicago, ect

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I'm curious what would happen to cities if they do what some counties have done here in Ohio and effectively end police service

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The20YearIRCloud you're like, a proud ohio citizen or something, are ya ?

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half of my county has no police service, some counties have one officer who works half a day

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I enjoy the state severely, lots of business, but I can also own a machine gun or drive a tank down the highway

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It's kind of like texas, but we have snow

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well, never knew one before.

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I mean I like parts of illinois, but Missouri is the way to go.

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my wife's family is from missouri, i wouldn't mind living out there at all

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BingoBoingo yeah but i suspect he likes it in the way of pick up a rifle and form a picket.

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but the state is severely offset by the idocy in st louis :D

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her family is about 2hrs south-west of springfield

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in the middle of literally nowhere

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which is what makes it even better

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The20YearIRCloud: So Fallout already happened there http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/18/a-crude-map-of-missouri-because-where-is-ferguson-anyway/

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A Crude Map of Missouri, because where is Ferguson anyway? | Bingo Blog

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you're just referencing the riots?

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BingoBoingo: are you in IL or MO?

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or are you in west st louis?

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*east st louis

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The20YearIRCloud: ATM I'm happily in undifferentiated IL

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Where you can't really tell the difference from Benton to Pekin

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Not too bad i guess, although you get to enjoy the legal blessings of chicago

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I've been by effingham

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No, I wander the "Big Jail" because allegedly people can dump their fucking High School drama on my shit. Also Political speech seems to totally not be legal in IL.

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yaeh

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i guess monett is only a hour outside springfield

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re: maryland :: it's pretty much nonsensical sprawl, decay, overpopulation in a swamp

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708261.0

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Coinurl scum

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BingoBoingo likes ben_vulpes lack of serious competition

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as Mr. Yarvin says, perhaps one day the mighty Patomack will once again flow unvexed into the Chesapeake

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Not as Yarvin says, as poor Jimmy from Fallout 3 says

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^

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DC wil be worthless, you will have to pick through the boats anchored in the harbor to find refuge

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Or an overbuilt monument

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if that day comes I claim FDR's head

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You see outside of the pits that were Tactics and the playstation first person shooter, but Fallout 3 as the worst of the rest of the games had plenty of redeeming lulz in its chosen setting

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lol i step out for a few hours and we have fdr's head

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why i always miss the goodstoff

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asciilifeform: Probably the same reason which gives you meatspace colleagues worth refering here

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that monument was the most pointless waste of real estate on the mall

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somehow a phallus was good enough for washington, fdr needs to have sprawling 'teaching moment'

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BingoBoingo remembers the "Mall" as a place full of the Jaundiced and Juiced

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ascii when the day comes I'll help you dissolve the rock around FDR's neck :)

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from lol scholarship: http://mercatus.org/expert_commentary/does-status-quo-us-federalism-advantage-progressives

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Does Status Quo U.S. Federalism Advantage Progressives? | Mercatus

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"Virtually every strongly conservative state has more liberal policies than predicted, and so does virtually every liberal state. " no shit

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From what I can tell the only demographic group >500 people that benefited from the Obama regime so far were the gays

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bezzle finance did pretty well

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I mean if the situation for the blacks improved... would there be a Ferguson?

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bezzel finance is small

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deck chairs / titanic.

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asciilifeform liked mircea_popescu's mafia story and should like to hear more one day.

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http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ << How did I miss this earlier

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In sprijinul eugeniei pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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BingoBoingo: did the gays really benefit? now they pay extra tax like regular folk

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decimation: Or avoid tax on their approved bezzels, but they get good feels. They are IN the fold nao.

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extend and coopt, it's how the power game is played

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But why the gays and not the young black men, a group he was once a member of.

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because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void

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kuzetsa

I lived in mississippi for a few years, and there were totally black republicans there

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And Homos don't?

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kuzetsa

the black vote wasn't anywhere near 99% democrats

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bored housewives care about gays

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Oh, they totally do. It's all they can watch on Bravo anymoar

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kuzetsa: http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/23/a-closer-look-at-the-parties-in-2012/, sorry it's closer to 88% nationally

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Nothing found for 2012 08 23 A Closer Look At The Parties In 2012 ,

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kuzetsa

decimation: in mississippi, it was even less though, since basically everyone there is republican

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In certain areas it is higher: http://www.amren.com/features/2012/11/race-and-the-2012-election/ Blacks, who accounted for 28 percent of voters and gave him 97 percent of their vote, handed Mr. Obama the state with a resounding 62 percent majority.

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Race and the 2012 Election | American Renaissance

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http://trilema.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/#identifier_0_47409

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Fire in Alabama, let’s make the most of it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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!up RebeccaBitcoin

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awesome, thanks bingo

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didn't even have to deal with gribble

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decimation: This isn't about all blacks though

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Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool

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This is about the young ones, the ones still being shat on

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RebeccaBitcoin: When you get remembered that becomes an issue

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;p

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Observe what a JD and asbestos litigation job does to a young revolutionary's twitter feed https://twitter.com/CourtneyRLogan/with_replies

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Courtney R. Logan (CourtneyRLogan) auf Twitter

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Dude pumps a self published book and tweets abotu #Ferguson once

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This isn't a value judgment, this is an observation. People who have, or imagine they have something to lose lose the revolutionary edge.

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People with nothing to lose have no reason not to burn the world.

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Any particular Micheal Brown need not figure into it at all.

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Other than as a spark that warms the tinder.

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<decimation> if that day comes I claim FDR's head << good thing to claim.

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if i cared more i'd prolly try for the same.

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Both Americans who caught Ebola walked out of the hospital this week thanks to some expensive ass monoclonal antibodies. That Liberians can't can them means what? Sure it was an experimental drug, but as far as experimental drugs do they don't get much safer.

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*go

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Sure, the US could work on Ebola eradication if they hadn't spent so much on tilling the ground for ISIS. The Grad students and persons incrediby deserving the title of Herr Doktor could be on parade.

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Butt...

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Apparently RUF wasn't sufficiently for the people...

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And the Queen wouldn't seceed Scotland in the name of Amin's good health

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!up alex_c

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Hello alex_c

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alex_c

hello :)

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What's up alex_c

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I have to wonder if part of the current downturn is hanbot not acting as MPOE-PR and being the Nystatin that keeps mold from ruining the Da Vinci http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#footnote_2_46944

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http://trilema.com/2013/people-bitcoin-is-not-worth-100-dollars-per-stop-buying/#identifier_2_47130

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People! Bitcoin is not worth 100+ dollars per. STOP BUYING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#footnote_0_46944

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Of mice and men, revisited pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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!up SuchWow

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http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/08/unified-theory-on-watergate.html << nice rambling on Nixon. made me reconsider my views on the man, given that he looks like a complete genius compared to Obama (re: foreign policy)

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28 Sherman: Unified Theory on Watergate

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SuchWow: I know you don't like temp voice, but... How is Doge doing?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39262 @ 0.00063396 = 24.8905 BTC [-] {4}

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his theory is that Nixon was going to actually try to throw out all the fdr-era holdovers in the civil service and replace them with 'his people', and the civil service conspired with the press to destroy his presidency

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decimation: Not impossible at all

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24188 @ 0.00063321 = 15.3161 BTC [-] {2}

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!up [KS]

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[KS]: Do you know if I have a warrant out for being cool yet?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00063805 = 6.8909 BTC [+] {2}

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!up Suchwow

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may i please have perm voice?

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;;gettrust assbot SuchWow

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user SuchWow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=SuchWow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SuchWow | Rated since: never

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ok lol

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wut i have to do

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you have to get into assbot's L2

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eli retard plz

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ok you need to be rated by one of these people: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT

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Rating Details for User 'assbot'

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here's some reading on it: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

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#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model

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i have no desire to go to that site lol

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well then you can't have perm voice.

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who is kakobrekla

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what do you mean who is he?

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he's a person

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that person could fix this is all i'm saying

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fix it how?

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none of us are on the chanserv access list

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we are all in assbot's L1 or L2 trust group

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he/she is +F

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they most certainly can give me +v

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;;gettrust assbot fluffypony

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Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@coreteam.monero.cc. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013

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see

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[03:05:38] *ChanServ* 1 kakobrekla +AFRfiorstv [modified 2 years, 19 weeks, 1 day, 11:49:32 ago]

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SuchWow: he will not give you chanserv flags, so don't even dream

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why not?

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there's a way things are done here, I've explained that way and linked you to the relevant resources

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if you choose not to read up on it there's not much I can do about htat

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that is fine

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SuchWow: Well, what do you do in BTC/Crypto?

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i've also explained why i am annoyed by the constant temp upping for sev months nows

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SuchWow: Well, if people knew your schtick you could get perm voice

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BingoBoingo: nothing. I've been quite clear that i have nothing to say in this chan, and once i do, i will gladly speak up

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however, i've literally been temp upped 30 times

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and it's annoying

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hence i humbly ask for the third time to just perm up me, or leave it alone please

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SuchWow: Well, have you tried an IRC bouncer with good connectivity to limit your join/parts?

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i am on avg connected for 3-5 days at a time

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w/o bouncer

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it just seems to me

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that if you all feel comfortable enough

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to constantly temp up me

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for months

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It seems like that, but on day 4 you join/part 10 times in a row, so I temp up you

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that you should feel comfortable enough to +V me

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that is all

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i have never join/part 10 times in one day

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now way

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*no

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SuchWow: Well to lend to trust to perm +V... We'd have to have an idea of what you do. If you liek to lurk that''s fine

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i'm an op of #dogecoin since Dec 10

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i'm in 60+ freenode chans since then

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not sure what else you want lol

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But even people who can offer voice to themselves here get temp upped

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I've never once been kicked from any chan

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nPQQlGCrO4

ask peterl

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kdomanski

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Fantastic Capote et Wonder Capote - YouTube

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i don't want the ability to voice others

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or copumpkin

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i just want to not be pinged everytime my connection resets and i rejoin this chan

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SuchWow that still won't work

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you have to explicitly ask assbot to !up you when you reconnect

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00063809 = 7.8804 BTC [+]

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it's not automatic

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!up SuchWow

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good dog

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whatever, i ask kakobrekla to please make an exception, because i have 9 months track record of perfect behavior, and there is no reason not to

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<SuchWow> i'm an op of #dogecoin since Dec 10 << This and not getting kicked ever just doesn't say much on what you do

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i do nothing

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i'm just here to obserrve

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<decimation> bezzle finance did pretty well << insanely well.

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Everyone one does something

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and people continually up me

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for months

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every time i join

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i've literally never once had anything to say

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People up me when I join and haven't log caught up and can't speak informedly yet

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Hazard of the channel

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well i'm just saying

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there's like 50 ppl here with voice

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and most of them don't say anything either

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literally?

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In -otc doe you worry when people check ;;ident or ;;gettrust?

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so could we just please add me, and i'll continue to not say anything ever?

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;;gettrust SuchWow

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user SuchWow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=SuchWow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SuchWow | Rated since: never

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SuchWow: if you're just here to observe why do you need voice?

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and maybe one day, if i get to your level, i'll say something

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I'm sure you have plenty to say.

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all of those people with voice - every single one of them - is in assbot's L1 or L2 trust group

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if you don't bother to understand the rules why should anyone make an exception for you?

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fluffypony: I'M JUST TIRED OF BEING PINGED FOR NO REASON THAT'S REALLY ALL IT IS LOL

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!down SuchWow

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such caps.

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SuchWow: Even if you could self voice... No one gets voice on joining except the bots

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!up SuchWow

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[03:16:02] <SuchWow> IF I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING I WILL PM YOU

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that's all

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<decimation> because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void << i dun think this is true.

03:16

just leave me alone and let me be lol

03:17

Now I'm just going to up you to be a dick, at times you least expect it

03:17

lol

03:17

!down SuchWow

03:17

!up SuchWow

03:17

ooo who's the troll with voice now

03:17

!s SuchWow

03:17

29 results for 'SuchWow' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=SuchWow

03:17

not me lol

03:17

sorry if that's what it takes

03:17

to get voice lol

03:18

Trolling is healthy

03:18

indeed

03:18

Keeps people honest

03:18

but that is not what this chan is about

03:18

at all

03:18

but enjoy your perma voice

03:18

troll

03:18

Well, keeping people honest is a large part of what this chan is about

03:18

totally unrelated topic

03:18

and I don't have permavoice

03:19

<RebeccaBitcoin> Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool << impostor of... whom ? some chick on the interwebs ?

03:19

I have to auth with gribble and pm assbot as everyone else does

03:19

i have no desire to trade

03:19

so why should i auth with gribble

03:19

!up mpmcsweeney

03:19

SuchWow: SO your words have weight of identity

03:20

i've stood by my words for 9 months

03:20

in the 9 chans i op

03:20

SuchWow: http://trilema.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/

03:20

Of men and mice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:20

i just come here to learn

03:20

Why care about OP

03:20

and ppl up me like i have something to say

03:20

i don't

03:20

SuchWow: you register with gribble because it's a web of TRUST, not a web of TRADES

03:21

i don't understand the topics here enough to comment on them

03:21

How can we know you have nothing to say?

03:21

but i understand they are important

03:21

so like i said 4 weeks ago

03:21

SuchWow: I mean you OP 9 channels

03:21

Surely you see shit we miss

03:21

either give me +V or just stop upping me please

03:21

not at all, you're being ridiculous BingoBoingo

03:21

<SuchWow> i have no desire to go to that site lol <fluffypony> well then you can't have perm voice. << i like how neatly this works. army-like almost.

03:21

then cool

03:21

so again i nicely ask

03:21

as i've asked for weeks now

03:21

could you please not up me unless i ask for it

03:22

that's ALL i've ever asked

03:22

is only because you keep doing so

03:22

that this convo is taking place

03:22

too late, I've already written a script to randomly up you every 1-4 days

03:22

SuchWow you know i haven't did :)

03:22

I drink a lot which lets me forget these things

03:22

I can make it more frequent if you'd prefer, every 12-24 hours?

03:23

i don't WANT voice - i just want to stop GETTING voiced for no reason, which pings me at start, and again 30 min later

03:23

better to do random time intervals

03:23

he has a point tho.

03:23

hence why I just say 'make me perma voice' lol

03:23

so i don't have to even notice

03:23

hey all

03:23

SuchWow i guess one way to go about it is ignore assbot.

03:23

Perma voice doesn't exist here

03:23

hey mpmcsweeney

03:23

hello mpmcsweeney

03:23

i joined irc in 92

03:23

I heard about this IRC through a colleague

03:23

i've never once used the /ignore command

03:23

i don't intend to start today

03:24

now that's an accomplishment.

03:24

whats the purpose of this chat?

03:24

mpmcsweeney: to irritate SuchWow, apparently

03:24

mpmcsweeney: see /topic

03:24

SuchWow: Write 1750 words of commentary on this post http://trilema.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/ and I'll lend you a +1 to self up

03:24

Of men and mice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:24

it is to talk about bitcoin based commodities, like stocks and stuff

03:24

ooh so this is a market place

03:24

thats cool

03:24

bdsm, high brow vulgarity

03:24

but where you can buy shares using cryptocurrency

03:25

kakobrekla how difficult would it be to have yet another assbot list and a command. if someone goes !novoice then assbot never 30min voices them again

03:25

interesting

03:25

what kind of volume?

03:25

but instead says "sorry, this person has nothing to say"

03:25

(if its possible to ask)

03:25

!mpif

03:25

BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]

03:25

mircea_popescu: see, you get me lol. and yes, i remember you being here the last time we had this conversation and so i thank you :)

03:25

a simple solution would be

03:25

don't voice someone who hasn't asked for it :)

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ignore

03:25

*simpler

03:25

SuchWow often there are noobs here.

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because maybe one day i do want voice

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and i don't just mean people who don't know irc. i mean people who barely grok computers.

03:26

oh i understand that entirely

03:26

like that miss florida girl or w/e she was

03:26

if it is newbs you wish to cater to

03:26

than may i recommend

03:26

SuchWow you have a presence in #dogecoin no?

03:26

The thing is many people get pinged for things they couldn't care less about.

03:26

not wish. but sometimes people need to be here that are noobs.

03:26

you utilize a standard irc hierarchy

03:26

But that doesn't make it spam

03:26

like, journos, sec comissioners and so on.

03:27

willy nilly bitcoin forces a lot of fiat know nothings into here.

03:27

!s reutersemily

03:27

233 results for 'reutersemily' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reutersemily

03:27

ill train you to use ignore, it's pretty a standard doge trick

03:27

BingoBoingo: I've been temp-upped 20+ times. I've never had one single thing to say.

03:27

BingoBoingo in fairness emily was quite adept, netiquette et all.

03:27

i refuse to use ignore. it's juvenile and immature imo

03:27

mircea_popescu: Indeed she was

03:27

well apparently sometimes it's just functional.

03:27

i just boycotted this chan for weeks

03:27

Prolly one of the best

03:27

and this week i come back, and here we are again

03:28

SuchWow you could just read the logs on the webpage i guess

03:28

well expect to get pinged

03:28

if you dun wanna be here.

03:28

i do

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until assbot goes down an leaves holes

03:28

i just have nothing to say

03:28

yet

03:28

if i do

03:28

i will let you know

03:28

and ask for an up or whatever

03:28

seems like you're quite the chatterbox to me

03:28

only when he has nothing to say :D

03:28

*

BingoBoingo wonders what sort of alert SuchWow has set for IRC pings

03:28

i've said nothing relevant to this chan

03:29

whatever, troll me all you want

03:29

SuchWow: You've said so much though in little time tonight though

03:29

i am untrollable lol

03:29

I'm serious

03:29

ok then

03:29

i am guess this whole shebang is quite revolutionary. it doesn't sit well with irc traditionz at all.

03:29

it's just a simple popup box that flashes

03:29

many theme

03:29

You are highlighting parts of the infrastructure that work well

03:29

andthe chan is a diff color

03:29

that's all my alert is

03:29

but with 70 chans

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ya know?

03:30

*

BingoBoingo imagined 1200 watts of sound or something

03:30

whatever it's cool

03:30

y'all have your own weird way of doing things

03:30

and that;s cool

03:30

the great IRC stream

03:30

just stop upping me unless i ask for it

03:30

It will prolly only get weirder

03:30

the people upping me know who i am

03:30

that's why i'm asking

03:30

SuchWow amusingly enough : even if you were added to assbot l2 : you probably would not up yoruself every time you joined

03:30

if i really have something to say

03:30

Well, no. You could be a nicksquatter

03:30

i will ask

03:30

and so people would STILL up you

03:31

;;ident SuchWow

03:31

Nick 'SuchWow', with hostmask 'SuchWow!~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow', is not identified.

03:31

clearly i am identified

03:31

and not a squatter

03:31

you are now super clearly a troll

03:31

enjoy your perma voice lol

03:31

there's a special gribble ident assbot uses

03:31

not the nickserv one.

03:31

this is gpg-based.

03:31

yes i know that

03:31

i don't use -otc

03:31

gribble> Nick 'SuchWow', with hostmask 'SuchWow!~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow', is not identified. << WHat part of not identified is challenging?

03:32

ok someone tell me the command i need to use to id with gribble

03:32

and i will type that

03:32

;;eauth and ;;everify.

03:32

(eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

03:32

if that is what needs to be done

03:32

;;eauth

03:32

(eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

03:32

I guess I started all this. One way of remaining silent in the face of being upped - is to remain silent

03:32

no i was just explaining that even if you did it it wouldn't help you.

03:32

;;eauth SuchWow

03:32

Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.

03:32

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

03:32

first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

03:32

So ;;eregister

03:32

;;eregister SuchWow

03:32

(eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)

03:33

mircea_popescu: because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void << i dun think this is true. << what part, the 99% or the irrelevant?

03:33

SuchWow basically, the infrastructure is new, and there isn't an answer for everoyne's needs. you're a poster child for this problem.

03:33

it's cool i'll play the game

03:33

decimation both. they doin't vote 99% for one, and if they did, their oppinions would be relevant.

03:33

what is the GPG

03:33

in the sense that with a 99% block you have nothing to gain, but a lot to lose.

03:34

so you're invested in what they believe whether you like it or not.

03:34

i will read the wiki

03:34

SuchWow: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/

03:34

PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog

03:34

yeah you are right, in Maryland the actual number was 97%

03:34

decimation in ONE election.

03:34

look at bush election say.

03:35

if the democrat party puts up a 2nd generation korean dude for presidency, 99% of koreans will vote with him

03:35

doth not mean they now vote democrat.

03:35

penguirker

New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/on-selling-bitcoin-the-idea/

03:36

way too much work, and i'm too drunk.i guess just up me when you want, and should the day come that i care, i'll set all that up

03:36

i'll stop bitching in the meantime

03:36

enjoy your chan

03:37

The stories all take place in the town of Gini, Virginia, with the intro sequence showing a large sign displaying: Welcome to Gini Proud to be a Diverse and Vibrant Community.

03:37

dude haus has a brilliant idea for a series.

03:37

so is he making it ?

03:37

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html << blacks went 88% for kerry in 2004, 93% for obama in 2012

03:37

CNN.com Election 2004

03:37

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president

03:37

Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

03:37

huh

03:37

mircea_popescu

03:38

SuchWow: I'm sorry if it seemed like I was trolling. Didn't realize you were hammered too.

03:38

apparently I only have 4 trilema credits??

03:38

fluffypony did your cookie expire ?

03:38

fluffypony: Trilema restarted, put your cookie back in

03:38

maybe - but then shouldn't I have 0 credits?

03:38

it's all good

03:38

i get the ideal here

03:38

decimation seems you have a much stronger point than originally thought, re the 99%.

03:38

and it's not a bad one

03:39

fluffypony no because all new ips get 4 for free.

03:39

Credits: 49773. What's this ?

03:39

much better

03:39

SuchWow: Basically the main problem here is... There's a premium set on being sure who is speaking

03:39

SuchWow: Hence the hoops and the !uping passerby

03:39

note that in 2004 *registered Democrats* went to kerry at 89%, blacks went 88%. Also note that black women went Obama in 2012 at 97%

03:39

http://contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/

03:39

IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

03:39

nationally

03:40

registered democrats only went Obama 92% in 2012

03:40

BingoBoingo: i get it. and as it seems, it ensures proper conversation is taking place

03:40

and as far as irc is concerned, it's really not a bad tactic

03:40

decimation i never really gas about the race politics in the us, so all this is news to me.

03:40

i just wish someone could've explained it like that to me months ago when i first arrived :)

03:41

SuchWow: I linked you to a blog post about it

03:41

*

BingoBoingo went quiet from the time logs were introduced to the time MP started the Eve corp... pretty sure other people miss my silence

03:41

SuchWow a month ago you hadn't talked enough for us to know enough about you to know it'd be beneficial.

03:41

and possibly it IS explained in the topic. but whoever reads that lol

03:41

and you chose not to click and read

03:41

i've NEVER ONCE talked here lol\

03:41

exactly.

03:41

except about this lol

03:41

many irc

03:41

it's the crying baby that gets the teat.

03:41

yet i was upped 20 times anyways lol

03:42

anyhow this is silly

03:42

yes it is my fault for not reading

03:42

partially your fault for endlessly upping me

03:42

it's all good

03:42

no

03:42

go back to your on topic convos lol

03:42

;;google malpidity

03:42

Malpidity | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/04/malpidity/>; The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/>; Ethics | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/category/ethics/>

03:43

;;ud glasshole

03:43

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasshole | A person who constantly talks to their Google Glass, ignoring the outside world. Glasshole: "Glass do this, Glass do that." Co-rider: Shut the fuck up and enjoy the ...

03:43

they got that!

03:43

kimdotcom's political apirations are getting bigger than his appetite for cheezeburgers after assets re-frozen

03:43

Inquiry is never wrong until your dick explores to find out if that scab was safe or not

03:44

Vexual: can you explain new zealand politics to me? it seems a cross between get-off-my-lawn and communism

03:45

yeah that t sounds approximately true, i don't know much

03:45

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/18H3WRT.txt )

03:45

!b 2

03:45

SuchWow: one of my dogs just epitomised my reaction to this entire conversation - http://i.imgur.com/nQujc5S.jpg

03:47

lol im green

03:47

fluffypony: yeah that's just about how i've felt both times

03:50

Is it just me or does hanbot blog with an unstated anger and foreboding that seldom comes through in mircea_popescu posts because mircea_popescu need not give a fuck

03:51

BingoBoingo i was just thinking, wow look at that, all he had to do is ask.

03:52

It is truly astounding

03:56

The SuchWow conversation was much like why I found this situation so lulzy https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/ when I linked it yesterday

03:56

A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation

03:57

It wasn't one of the muppets doing something useless and taking it on that the foundation was forced to highlight, but Bluematt introducing an if you can mine this helps, but otherwise things are as they always have been

03:58

!up SuchWow

03:58

BingoBoingo: what do you mean by that?

03:59

because i've read both, and i don't see the comparison

03:59

SuchWow: While the "core devs" endlessly debate a utxo command... Bluemat introduced a subnet for miners that allows them some optimization that has had the potential to be there all along.

04:00

right i get that. what does that have to do with the conversation you all had with me earlier?

04:00

SuchWow: Well imagine yourself a "core dev" imagining anyone gets automatic +v in this chan to avoid "getting pinged"

04:01

i've never once suggested that just anyone should get automatic +v

04:01

that's ridiculous

04:01

all i said was

04:01

once you +v someone a dozen times

04:01

anyone not veryone

04:01

why not go ahead and perma it?

04:02

All this time you've imagined the fault was in others curiosity about you, when the problem is joining a channel and imagining people won't be curious

04:02

not at all

04:02

asciilifeform pity handle turns the entire thing into such a sad pro-govt piece.

04:02

he did start with good points.

04:02

the people +ving me know who i am lol

04:03

I have no idea who you are.

04:03

you're not the one +ving me

04:03

I often am +v'ing you

04:03

i v+d you

04:03

you barked, i didnt understand

04:03

i've never 'barked' here lol

04:03

Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F7ATG1.txt )

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!b 7

04:04

nor anywhere for that matter

04:04

steele down ginny

04:05

anyhow, peace be with you all

04:05

and gl with your assets

04:06

!down SuchWow

04:06

!up SuchWow

04:07

don't annoy it, it might bite

04:08

i won't, and i'm not an it, but thanks

04:08

very kind of you all

04:08

girl or boy?

04:08

Vexual: What good ole boy hasn't read Ole Yeller?

04:08

don't go hiding under the bed now

04:10

!up ColinT2

04:10

Hello ColinT2

04:10

;;ticker -- market all

04:10

(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

04:10

;;ticker --market all

04:11

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 503.61, vol: 14868.49085206 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 499.93, vol: 3963.18673 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 502.0, vol: 7492.16425724 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 536.15, vol: 10.96877017 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 498.372252, vol: 29018.17490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.95437, vol: 9.2990123 | Volume-weighted last average: 500.39418439

04:11

wow forget you all, sorry i even spoke

04:12

*

Vexual pats the nice doge

04:12

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!b 2

04:14

!up RedStallion

04:14

!up random_cat_

04:15

!up phish

04:15

!up KleinDe

04:15

!up cowloon

04:15

!up zling__

04:16

!u[ pharesim

04:16

!up toddf

04:16

good morning

04:16

Morning

04:16

hi

04:18

can we call atc bits bones?

04:19

ThickAsThieves?

04:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVSnqxXApH0

04:19

Maersk Gunhilde, South China Sea - South China Mall, China - 4K Time Lapse by Toby Smith - YouTube

04:21

gopro or blackmagic?

04:21

blackmagic has 4k now? cool

04:22

thing needs more buttons less touch screen

04:25

punkman: careful, you might be upping people maliciously.

04:25

I was going for an animal themed name theme

04:26

punkman splendid.

04:27

!up kermit

04:34

http://hellogiggles.com/awesome-new-invention-date-rape-drug-detecting-nail-polish

04:34

Amazing New Invention: A Nail Polish That Detects Date Rape Drugs

04:34

wake up: chipped

04:35

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvqYNQ5IcAAAvB7.jpg:large

04:42

!up Heysteve dinosaw

04:42

hey

04:42

hi

04:44

!up RedStallion

04:45

!up random_cat_

04:47

!up trixisowned abathingape

04:50

theres a `walked into a bar' joke there somewehre

04:51

cat: ill just lick my balls

04:51

horse: ill watch the cat

04:57

"An undergraduate team at North Carolina State University might have just revolutionized your make-up drawer. The four students are working to develop a"

04:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00063809 = 16.1437 BTC [+]

04:57

not quite the same as the title.

04:58

it's not equivalent?

04:59

equivalent it is, just... nisi valent.

05:00

dinosaur: i just got deja vu

05:01

frog: plays piano

05:04

best trick is, the nail polis doesn't work

05:05

it got swapped out earlier in the evening

05:05

Vexual you saying the dorks in the photo are moles working for the international directorate of date rape ?

05:06

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0102772

05:06

PLOS ONE: The Science of Style: In Fashion, Colors Should Match Only Moderately

05:06

that was my fiirst impressing

05:09

put your fingers in the drink

05:09

yep, you're in the wrong place

05:21

invent pinky paint that detects pure flake, winrar

05:31

invent a condom package that detects eager sluts, save on all the rohypnol biz.

05:34

they're going about things all wrong

05:42

usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

05:43

!up usagi monkey

05:46

tathagata, the father buddah, said, "With out thoughts, we make thw world."

05:46

with out or with our?

05:46

with rabbit, with

05:47

that was a typo

05:47

It's a real shame that stuff like buddhism is regarded as esoteric

05:48

It really should have been able to merge itself a bit more into normal culture

05:48

well...

05:48

i aint the dalai lama

05:49

but im pretty sure its laregly esoteric and also normal

05:50

id wager theres more buddhists than whatever you do

05:52

*

usagi sips coffee

05:52

this looks like a clever scam: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-22/south-africa-reels-unexpected-bailout-one-bank-has-modest-proposal-give-us-your-gold

05:52

As South Africa Reels From Unexpected Bailout, One Bank Has A Modest Proposal: Give Us Your Gold | Zero Hedge

05:52

wonder how long before some respectable financial institution (cough) tries this with Bitcoin

05:53

"In other words, for the first time "holding" gold will pay a dividend (or in this case, interest)."

05:53

I don't even know where to begin with stuff like that

05:53

yeah, how can not holding it be holding it?

05:53

Almost every single word in the sentence is wrong

05:54

Well steve, there is a difference between zero value and positive zero

05:54

Like if I promise to give you a thousand dollars at some point in the future, that has value

05:57

;;gettrust usagi

05:57

Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user HeySteve to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=HeySteve&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012

05:57

well not $1000 worth

05:57

"Investors may not hold gold in unwrought form according to South African law;" lol

05:58

<usagi> Like if I promise to give you a thousand dollars at some point in the future, that has value//only if your promise has value

05:59

actual and perceived value being completely different.. in the case of the bank the perceived value is probably very high.. The banks around here have been doing the same sort of thing for years

05:59

They allow you to invest in gold but they don't actually give you the gold.

05:59

It's actually impossible to ever redeem it. But the banks promise that they will buy back the gold you have on account with them should you want to sell it

06:02

on the face of it, the bank must relend the gold in order to pay the interest

06:02

<usagi> actual and perceived value being completely different..//being the root of much evil

06:02

so it's not just trusting the bank, but their counterparties too

06:02

not sure why anyone would go for this, but you always get idiots

06:02

Hmm yes and no

06:02

the interest rate is way too low for the risk imo

06:03

Let's say you have a reasonable amount of gold, more than a kilo say

06:03

If the wrong people find out it's in your house, they will come and get it from you (and they will, and they will get it)

06:03

Especially if you're in the wrong country at the time

06:03

So who's going to hold your gold... Normally you have to pay for such a service but here come these nice people offering to pay you money to hold it for you

06:04

hmm well gold does have its holding costs

06:04

a secret buried treasure chest is a lot more secure than a bank vault I'd say

06:05

it's like cold wallet... or coinbase?

06:07

private key being the gps coordinates

06:07

The only way I can imagine someone paying you to invest your gold with them is if they were selling it for an inflated price. I used to do that with TU.SILVER, I front-loaded my fee and the shipping cost into the share price

06:07

huh

06:08

But in any other case, if you give someone your gold and they pay you to hold it, the deal is that at some point in the future you won't be able to get it back

06:08

this conversation is making me dumb

06:08

usagi: swiss banks have gold-denominated accounts

06:08

Gold is really simple to understand

06:08

You should be able to get this

06:08

lol

06:08

not what i meant

06:08

of course it's simple.

06:09

Well what do you mean then tat?

06:09

dont sweat it

06:10

hehehe

06:11

The value of gold expands to cover every other asset in the world including bitcoin

06:12

...

06:12

Aha.

06:14

beta me to it

06:14

beat*

06:14

usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

06:18

!up usagi

06:18

Tat if you have anything of value to add, so so.

06:19

do so* :p

06:20

the man who shakes his head cannot see the way forward

06:21

fluffypony yeah, how's stuff there ?

06:21

!down usagi

06:21

fucking derpage.

06:22

lol

06:23

btw - that Michael O. Church article got sent to me today by a friend

06:23

"this is such an amazing experiment, I'm going to try this when I next look for a job!"

06:23

AMAZING COMPANY!

06:23

lol.

06:24

well.. wish him luck.

06:24

re: derpxperiments https://experiment.com/

06:24

Experiment | Crowdfunding Platform for Scientific Research

06:24

and i dunno why zh is making such a big deal out of it. a bond anchored to gold. what's so strange about it ?

06:24

the us reneged about 50 billion worth of them under fdr.

06:25

but anyway, fluffypony, still optimistic re sa ?

06:25

mircea_popescu: yes

06:25

why:)

06:25

i wish i could find a way to bitbet this. "sa is going to shit in a handbasket"

06:25

well

06:25

shift how?

06:26

20 million dead and half at the border from lead poisoning

06:26

that's entirely possible, MP

06:26

hm

06:26

and we're ready to move if it happens

06:26

but it's also possible it won't happen

06:26

jewland too. it's just not in the cards for that continent, having civilised countries there.

06:26

no shit

06:26

exit plans are good.

06:26

so we're going to sweat it out

06:26

it's supposed to be a hunting reservation.

06:27

fluffypony: just make sure you have enough cash to bribe your way out, and a guy who can drive you through obstacles like borders and has been in the infantry.

06:27

they have their cat...

06:27

drive outta za?

06:27

Vexual: to Bots

06:27

well you can take a Helicopter if you have one.

06:27

200 miles of zombies?

06:27

*2000

06:27

I don't have a helicopter

06:27

lol Vexual - as opposed to NZ where all you can hope to do is swim?

06:27

:-P

06:28

mircea_popescu: the timelines are also interesting - if it goes to shit we'll be out long before it gets there

06:28

we're both EU citizens, so bailing out is a non-issue

06:28

not unless you get boiled like teh frog.

06:28

you'll be selling infrasructure to half of africa before you break a sweat

06:28

fluffypony: what exactly do you expect for RSA's future?

06:29

lol ok. most of the people at katyn were eu citizens too.

06:30

xmj: I think there will be a to-and-fro for a few more generations - whether it does a "slippery slope" on either side of the scale remains to be seen, but once its worn itself out and theres more social equilibrium it'll be stable

06:30

to-and-fro what?

06:30

nice, i have 15min more to procrastinate.

06:31

fluffypony is this predicated on the general theory that the world is by and large a friendly place and most seeds once planted reach maturity and fruition ?

06:32

nah - people are basically full of crpa

06:32

*crap

06:32

xmj, to-and-fro in terms of extremes

06:32

I mean

06:32

you've got a large population that was opressed

06:32

I understand

06:32

and, by and large, didn't have opportunities for social improvement and education

06:32

I don't know which extremese

06:32

extremes*

06:33

so now there are people who *didn't* grow up under Apartheid who are in power

06:33

but they still carry baggage

06:33

because they had a shit childhood as a direct or indirect result

06:33

in another 1 or 2 or 3 generations that excuse no longer holds water

06:33

but after the African Bank bailout, why would anyone pay up on anything they owe to a bank there ? uncollateralized i mean.

06:34

then you have a shit childhood because your parents are idiotic or because of circumstances, not because of something that happened in the past

06:34

the justifications lake was never drawn dry.

06:34

mircea_popescu: yeah it's a tough one

06:34

I'm oba-observing and seeing how things play out

06:34

take the us as a fine example. the black ~~~minority~~~ there STILL thinks it's your fault.

06:34

and you don't even live there.

06:35

yeah the US is an interesting case

06:35

it's been, what, 80 years since slavery went out the window?

06:35

I don't keep track

06:35

got any example where the people with a good excuse generally went off the dole and built something ?

06:36

hmm

06:36

fluffypony: if your parents are idiots there's a 40%-80% chance you're an idiot yourself

06:36

xmj: word

06:37

i doubt intelligence even figures into all of this.

06:37

i'm currently reading my way through The Bell Curve, it's illuminating.

06:37

your average busker is pretty smart, yet it won't do much to have an islandful of buskers.

06:37

mircea_popescu: intelligence and poverty are related more often than not.

06:37

aight, I'm busy making stew - having people round for supper

06:37

http://www.my-easy-cooking.com/2010/04/13/green-bean-stew-another-south-african-classic/

06:37

Green Bean Stew - Another South African classic! - My Easy Cooking

06:37

bbl

06:37

only in certain sorts of systems xmj

06:37

cheers fluffypony

06:37

mircea_popescu: yes, all of them.

06:37

http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm <- worth a look when trying to guess the future of nations

06:38

IQandtheWealthofNations--LynnandVanhanen--datatableofnationalmeanIQstudiessummarizedbySteveSailer

06:38

no. in all of them, will and poverty are related. this is why determined but unintelligent mobsters do well everywhere all the time,

06:38

whereas pencilneck kids only do well in certain places.

06:38

HeySteve: tldr asia will domnate once they get their shit together.

06:38

dumb mobsters may do well for themselves, but they'll drive a nation down if they're too dominant

06:39

<mircea_popescu> take the us as a fine example. the black ~~~minority~~~ there STILL thinks it's your fault.// holder recently talked about how horrid it was when he got stopped and searched, the fail is that whites get stopped to but thats 'normal', blacks are only stopped because they are black ...

06:39

HeySteve that's a complicated argument. the scant examples for your azn theory, for instance, all come from mobsters.

06:40

the azn tigers are simply the net effect of a mob getting in power and pushing the gas to the floor.

06:41

well I'd say we have a kleptocracy here, and the results have been poor

06:41

where is here ?

06:41

south africa

06:41

o you live there too ?

06:41

yep!

06:41

not at the coast like fluffypony

06:42

HeySteve: kleptocracy is yet another name for democracy

06:42

i have nfi, i mean from where i'm sitting it looks pretty bad and with a worse outlook, then fluffy is all like happy go lucky everything will be fine.

06:42

it totally throws me.

06:42

but yes, xmj is on point. kleptocracy != a mob.

06:42

xmj yeah I intended it to say we have mobsters in charge here

06:42

but do you ?

06:42

prez up on fraud and rape charges, diverted millions to build a palace, etc.

06:43

nero isn't the fucking mob. nero is just nero.

06:44

mircea_popescu: democracy is the mob in charge

06:44

xmj i was talking the mob as in cosa nostra, not the mob as in mobile vulgus.

06:45

not on charges

06:45

Vexual one day in charge, next day on charges, eh vex ?

06:46

SA is pretty unstable. very high unemployment and widespread poverty, a vocal revolutaionry marxist leader gaining support...

06:46

I can't say I'm optimistic

06:46

so why are you staying ?

06:47

looking for the right place to move to

06:48

argentina, forgetaboutit.

06:48

why did you choose argentina?

06:49

cause it rocks.

06:49

dollar blue 13.7

06:49

friends with a family from there, heard a lot of good things

06:49

chetty by now whenever i change it jumps, for crying out loud.

06:50

you move the market

06:50

every time he paso dobles

06:50

if that's the case i should be moving it the other way lol

06:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5000 @ 0.00122538 = 6.1269 BTC [-] {18}

06:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 473 @ 0.0012 = 0.5676 BTC [-] {6}

06:51

mircea_popescu: are the convenience stores selling bitcoin already?

06:52

nah.

06:53

hmm will a small amount of bitcoin let me afford to live like a king in argentina yet?

06:53

no

06:54

no, but you can probably find work, seeing how 60%ish of the population works in the gray and black market.

06:55

256 ghanan kids in '65 scored 79iq drawing a man: 128 drew them with 3 legs

06:55

yeah I'd say it's between South America and Australia / New Zealand

06:55

mircea_popescu is English fairly widely spoken there?

06:55

nope.

06:56

ah that'd be the biggest challenge then, OZ / NZ is more about the money

06:56

A weary old lecher named Blott took a luscious young blond to his yacht.

06:56

Too lazy to rape her he made darts out of paper, which he leisurely tossed at her twat.

06:56

HeySteve learn a language, it won't kill ye.

06:56

guatamala ie

06:57

HeySteve: Zuma is no worse than Obama signing off on what the NSA does - at least what Zuma does is blatant and obvious, and not sinister and hidden

06:58

besides - he's uneducated, he has a Grade 6 education

06:58

that's an unexpected defense.

06:58

that too.

06:58

I'll take mildly incompetent and a little greedy from having grown up poor and uneducated

06:58

does this reduce to a no malice for reason of plain stupidity plea ?

06:58

over sinister and devious in the name of "protection"

06:59

know thine enemy

06:59

fluffypony, it limits what he can get away with in secret, sure...

06:59

but it also limits my expectation of sensible forward planning

07:00

yeah but which country has leadership with sensible forward planning? Norway?

07:00

a country led by a visionary will be let down by the incompetence of those executing that vision

07:00

a country led by somone incompetent at least has a chance to be propped up by the few competent ones in the middle tiers of governance

07:00

there's a few I'd trust to ensure basic infrastructure is maintained and expanded as necessary

07:00

i was waiting at the auto repair shop a few mos ago and an old man was writing and reading limericks to me

07:00

but every human system of leadership is flawed

07:01

stuff about the dealership

07:01

corny but fun

07:01

im stealing that one

07:02

fluffypony personally, i'm looking for visionaries i personally know.

07:02

it's a system that always worked well for me.

07:03

meh - I've just written human leadership off as flawed and unworkable

07:03

so I'll comply with whatever I am obligated to comply with by virtue of my chosen country of residence

07:03

but beyond that I ignore them

07:03

heh. you need better friends. human leadership rox.

07:04

mircea_popescu: I'm already a benevolent dictator in my own little fish-pond, so it's not like I need to concern myself with those governmental humans that consider themselves my leaders :-P

07:05

hehe i guess that works.

07:05

perhaps you're a communist

07:06

Vexual: well I did marry a German...

07:07

and she's from East Germany

07:07

An amazon giantess named Dunne let a midget screw her for fun.

07:07

But the poor little runt was engulfed in her cunt and re-born as the twin of his son.

07:08

hah hah

07:08

<3

07:08

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=748767.0

07:08

Some Altcoin poetry

07:08

I wrote a couple there

07:09

An architect fellow named Yoric could, when feeling euphoric, display for selection three kinds of erection- Corinthian, Ionic, and Doric.

07:10

fluffypony why do they hate on you so ?

07:10

fucking idiots those people, you can show them a finger, they can say what's wrong with it.

07:11

I guess he didn't like being corrected :-P

07:11

thrice

07:11

fluffypony has it ever occured to you that perhaps you're picking up habits and forming expectations of the world here that'll make it difficult to fit in the rest of the internets ?

07:12

heh

07:13

I once had a girlfriend break up with me because I kept correcting her 11 year old sister's grammar (kid's gotta learn before it becomes too ingrained, yo)

07:13

so I guess I've always been an opinionated prick :-P

07:13

uh

07:14

how the fuck does that work, shouldn't sisters enjoy their sibling;s torment ?

07:14

she was from the Overprotective R Us school of thought

07:14

nah, not sisters with some age spread, mothering instincts kick in

07:15

chetty ah good point'

07:15

fluffypony was she over 18 ?

07:15

yes

07:15

so you see what you did wrong there.

07:15

were she 15 you'd have been fine.

07:15

well I was 20 or 21 at the time

07:16

I was trying out someone my age

07:17

speaking of which, "An old electronic designer had designs on a minor named Dinah. He couldn't carry them out for his prick was too stout, and too small was the minor's vagina."

07:17

check out what FILTH!!1 gets distributed with linux

07:17

into the unsuspecting homes of erryday goodfolk.

07:17

lol

07:17

arrest them!

07:18

off with their heads.

07:19

http://online.wsj.com/articles/ebola-virus-firsts-suspected-case-in-ireland-1408703882

An old man at the Folies Bergere had a jock, a most wondrous affair:It snipped off a twat-curl from each new chorus girl, and he had a wig made of the hair.

07:19

Textual

07:19

Ebola Virus: Dead Irishman Tests Negative - WSJ

~ 23 minutes ~

07:42

Bet created: "LTC to over $6.50 USD before Oct 5th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1031/

07:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00063578 = 7.979 BTC [-]

07:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27092 @ 0.00063602 = 17.2311 BTC [+] {2}

~ 30 minutes ~

08:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00063254 = 9.6146 BTC [-] {2}

~ 37 minutes ~

09:06

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/seal-steals-fish-fisherman-boat-1382810646V.gif

09:06

the bird was too slow

~ 24 minutes ~

09:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27400001 = 0.548 BTC [-]

~ 54 minutes ~

10:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.291 = 0.582 BTC [+] {2}

10:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.26946933 = 8.0841 BTC [-] {2}

~ 16 minutes ~

10:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12810 @ 0.00063668 = 8.1559 BTC [+] {2}

10:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00063699 = 7.7076 BTC [+]

10:51

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28913165

10:51

BBC News - Iceland issues Bardarbunga volcano red alert

~ 16 minutes ~

11:07

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 527 @ 0.00107634 = 0.5672 BTC [-] {4}

~ 27 minutes ~

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 535 @ 0.00105005 = 0.5618 BTC [+] {3}

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11:52

;;later tell mircea_popescu pity handle turns the entire thing into such a sad pro-govt piece << no surprises here.

11:52

The operation succeeded.

11:57

'international directorate of date rape'

11:57

*

asciilifeform chokes

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 6.26743460 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 545 satoshi per share

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58080095 BTC to 14`991 shares, 10545 satoshi per share

12:04

*

kakobrekla performs heimlich maneuver on asciilifeform

12:04

*

asciilifeform spits out more lulz

12:05

kakobrekla

hehe

12:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00063836 = 5.3303 BTC [+]

~ 33 minutes ~

12:38

!up SuchWow

12:41

kakobrekla

lol not this again

12:43

sorry, I couldn't resist

~ 30 minutes ~

13:13

;;later tell mircea_popescu maryland excepted. i have nfi idea what it's even for << it's where they keep ft. meade. (largest employer, largest consumer of mains current, per public stats.)

13:13

The operation succeeded.

13:15

;;later tell mircea_popescu they also have many other similar шарашкаs here; in most cases, readily spotted with the naked eye on account of the highly-ritualized architectural style.

13:15

The operation succeeded.

13:21

(what style? gigantic plate-glass window walls that never let through office light - they're painted black on the inside; the seemingly-mandatory wrought-iron fence, with steel cable trusses - nominally against terrorist trucks (TM); archaically-massive satellite antennae; a few other features broadly known to anyone who looks with any regularity.)

13:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00063841 = 5.235 BTC [+] {2}

13:24

any folks here living in u.s. colonies (read: nato) are welcome to comment re: whether such brutalist monstrosities blot your landscape as well.

~ 36 minutes ~

14:00

asciilifeform, got any opinion on that lovely little volcano?

14:02

chetty: looks like a potential rehash of '10.

14:09

If this one actually blows its likely to be bigger, I think

~ 35 minutes ~

14:44

!up BlueMeanie4

14:44

heya Daniel

14:44

hello :D

14:44

so how do buy options/futures?

14:45

;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4

14:45

Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter

14:45

Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

14:46

is there some kind of docs for this?

14:46

my works on altchain describe how to do options/futures/bonds using a block chain

14:46

BlueMeanie4, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

14:46

wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]

14:46

ah ok

14:47

danke

14:47

you're welcome

14:48

has anyone tried to build a more usable interface to this?

14:49

I think it's come up, but I don't think it gets more usable than this.

14:50

irc is a great catalyst for WoT related activities

14:51

well you could expand the markets for these instruments

14:51

maybe usable for you- a techie :) :) :)

14:52

it is a useful barrier to entry

14:52

keeps out the undesirables

14:52

lol ok

14:54

ok so read that WOT page- doesnt describe the instruments

14:56

do you have a PGP key?

14:56

sure

14:57

;;echo BlueMeanie4, [eregister]

14:57

BlueMeanie4, (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your (1 more message)

14:58

more

14:58

;;more

14:58

passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

14:59

https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/500347361726857216

14:59

/hashtag/BTER?src=hash got hacked, hacker stole 5% of all /hashtag/NXT?src=hash. hacker sending ransom demands to BTER team using the NXT /hashtag/blockchain?src=hash: https://t.co/7mdXkp2lL4

14:59

ok dont have time to do this right now

14:59

it can also be done with a Bitcoin address

14:59

Dbarron- you like that tweet? :)

14:59

;;echo BlueMeanie4, [bcregister]

14:59

BlueMeanie4, (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

14:59

BlueMeanie4, ya

15:00

haha were you around when all that crap happened?

15:00

im far too honest for the crypto world

15:01

NXT isnt secure- theyre addressing some important ideas that have been floating around for a while- but not doing it securely or faithfully

15:01

then you will get along well here

15:01

great, I've been reading Mircea Popescu lately- enjoy his writings

15:01

cant say how accurate they are though

15:02

this is interesting : http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/

15:02

How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:03

this is precisely the issue they were having at NXT. People issuing ponzi assets, in particular jl777

15:03

no reporting or filing standards at all.

15:03

so I wanted to introduce them in a package called 'Virtual Corporations' which were a crypto way of having trustees over accounts and few other features

15:04

so it looks like Mircea has the vision, just doesnt have the technology developed

15:04

what are you talking about?

15:05

not sure if these things are particularly associated with this channel...

15:05

could be off topic

15:07

nothing is off-topic as long as it's well said

15:07

ok so what are you not following?

15:07

what technology isn't developed?

15:08

ill take a closer look at it

15:09

we were looking at way to automate rating and a format to index securities and such

15:10

in particular i find crypto-bond markets interesting

15:11

what do you think of counterparty? (XCP)

15:13

generally warm to it, but i think piggybacking the block chain is ultimately doomed

15:13

also some of their metaphors for finance are irregular, weird, and possibly broken

15:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9912 @ 0.00063842 = 6.328 BTC [+]

15:14

why do you think piggybacking the blockchain is doomed? do you mean the devs will nix it?

15:14

its a complex subject, we explored all this stuff during the color coins discussions

15:20

<BlueMeanie4> NXT isnt secure // is NXT the PoS thing ?

15:21

if so it's inherently insecure yeah, mainly because you can "mine" at any point in the chain,without committing ressources

15:22

!up BlueMeanie4

15:23

obviously this isnt the place for a friendly chat- you can PM me if you want

15:24

punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvqYNQ5IcAAAvB7.jpg:large << far better, https://www.flickr.com/photos/bradkelly/5998485106

15:24

Is your washroom breeding Bolsheviks? #papertowels #advertising | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

15:25

I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising

15:25

^ first saw that one on a wall in school! (u.s. school; history class)

15:25

BlueMeanie4, why do you say that ? it is, as long as you have something interesting to say people will !up you

15:26

hey if the mod is going to silence me for no voiced reason mid conversation- why bother?

15:26

re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips.

15:26

BlueMeanie4, it's a bot

15:27

oh is it?

15:27

i feel better now :) lol

15:27

you get 30 minutes of voice per !up

15:27

i guess ill try to be more concise. Mirceau's blog makes me want to learn Romanian.

15:30

the writing is spectacular :)

15:30

yeah Mircea knows how to write indeed

15:31

though truffles would argue

15:32

ha it reminds me of yiddush literature very similar

15:32

;;seen truffles

15:32

!up usagi

15:33

good news is he doesn't write in Romanian anymore, all English these days

15:33

ya the way he uses english is just brilliant

15:33

the other good news is that it is possible to learn languages.

15:33

some folks will warn you that this requires lost ancient technology - don't believe.

15:33

romanian is a odd one

15:33

acsii lol

15:34

odd and hard

15:34

ascii, it is, but from a certain age it becomes exponentially difficult to master ir

15:34

*it

15:34

exponentially difficult << 'learn' for translating a diplomat - perhaps hard; reading articles in your armchair slowly - not so hard

15:35

Apocalyptic: This is why I use booze to keep my brain supple

15:35

asciilifeform, you got a point

15:36

just be sure never to confess to knowing a language - or people might speak it to you, and that'll be a little like work.

15:36

<asciilifeform> any folks here living in u.s. colonies (read: nato) are welcome to comment re: whether such brutalist monstrosities blot your landscape as well. << Scattered throughout the towns on the West side of Scott Airforce base in the Metro east are low rise versions of this

15:36

plus you can pretend you dont understand their insults

15:37

<BingoBoingo> Apocalyptic: This is why I use booze to keep my brain supple // how well does that work ?

15:37

BingoBoingo: they're traditionally 1-3 floors. make life a little harder for kgb binoculars, or whatnot.

15:37

1-3 floors so they dont have to have an elevator

15:37

<BlueMeanie4> plus you can pretend you dont understand their insults << This is the benefit of having at least vulgar familiarity in a 3rd language

15:37

BlueMeanie4: 100% have elevators. 'disability act' compliance.

15:39

asciilifeform: The dominant form here are vaguely labeled or unlabeled office parks for businesses whose customers rarely visit

15:40

BB: where is here?

15:40

BlueMeanie4: The portion of Illinois well spaced away from Chiraq

15:41

*

asciilifeform once had the good fortune to visit just such a 'park.' inside: mildly refinished warehouse, with plentiful cubicles and many hanging models of satellites; on the walls, hanging mementos of the 'glorious reagan years' - 'this floppy contains our first flown firmware!' and more in that spirit.

15:41

think: beige

15:42

they even sent a stereotypical woman to prepare stereotypical coffee, and served it on a bar, lifted straight from a 1950s american tv scene.

15:43

I once worked in an office where one of the guys painted windows on the walls ...

15:43

would you rather have one of those ultra-modern offices complete with ping pong table and espresso machine to ensure you spend every waking hour there?

15:43

*

asciilifeform also saw that kind.

15:43

It's just odd driving through a suburban residential neighborhood and passing the squat dentist looking office park and seeing a Northrop Grumman sign

15:44

yes clearly these old modes of civilization in the us are decomposing fast

15:44

grumman dentist needs office too. lined with cork, for the screams of the 'patients.'

15:44

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14BQA16.txt )

15:44

!b 3

15:45

(as pictured in film 'brazil')

15:46

spent a week wandering the polish countryside, interesting experience

15:46

arbeit macht frei.

15:47

more appropriate: "vodka macht frei"

15:48

<BlueMeanie4> more appropriate: "vodka macht frei"//+++

15:53

!up BlueMeanie4

~ 17 minutes ~

16:11

https://twitter.com/lisawomersley/status/499771410751815682

16:11

This is what happens when non-tech people discover web developer tools http://t.co/LGlzHGxWvh

16:12

click the blue E

16:14

BingoBoingo, omg that gives me flashbacks when everywhere you looked was frontpage generated stuffs ....:(

16:15

Frontpage was so bad

16:16

asciilifeform no surprises here. << not sure what his story is.

16:21

asciilifeform architectural style. << this is such a lol, because yes they do it, it's almost as if trying to copy own glory moments resulting in cheap tourist shop replicas. just... why!

16:22

whole place looks like latter day rome on this account. forum this, baths that, bla bla bla.

16:23

http://peaceandmarkets.com/2014/08/24/cheat-on-bitcoin-with-hyper-itll-be-your-loss/

16:23

Cheat on Bitcoin with HYPER? It’ll be Your Loss | Peace and Markets

16:25

%p

16:25

No data returned from CoinMiner.net

16:25

[PityThePool Hashrate]: 700.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.28 TH/s

16:26

%d

16:26

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 233849.46 in 1781 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.55

16:27

http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2014/08/21/high-school-student-arrested-for-writing-story-about-shooting-dinosaur/

16:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.0006377 = 8.924 BTC [-]

16:47

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=749980.0

16:47

Proof of dishonesty and lies from Gawminers.com Hashlet Ponzi Scheme Scam

16:51

https://flexhash.com/

16:51

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01029999 = 0.824 BTC [-]

17:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00063678 = 18.2119 BTC [-] {4}

17:15

mircea_popescu: not sure what his story is << herr handle is a u.s. army officer, now working at a not-too-hard-to-guess-which world-famous bureaucracy.

17:16

(http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323&cpage=1#comment-7376 << that bureau.)

17:16

bonano crime fambly ?

17:17

nsano crime family

17:18

lol. in every remaining competent bureaucrat there's an intelligent person captive, struggling to get free.

17:18

at least, that's what his piece brings to mind.

17:18

an' with that, i'll be off to meet people and things. later dear chan!

17:18

*

asciilifeform off to cook severe coffee, for conversion into mathematics

17:33

Guevara246 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

17:37

!up guevara246

17:40

guevara246

Hey, I have a question regarding P2SH and timelocked transactions: in a use case where a client is purchasing a good or service using a 2 of 3 multisig scheme, can a timelocked transaction be broadcast to the network and invalidated by a second transaction, signed by the same agents, sending outputs to a different address?

17:41

guevara246

the rationale being applied to chargeback and fraud

~ 40 minutes ~

18:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00063859 = 6.9926 BTC [+] {2}

18:24

http://imgur.com/ck9mDub

18:24

The Return of Windowcat - Imgur

18:27

YAY!

18:27

Satoshi's buddy

18:27

I mean

18:27

usagi's buddy

18:27

SuchWow

18:27

I mean such typo

18:27

complete typo, sorry SuchWow

18:28

Now you had better !up him, in case he should care to comment.

18:29

untameable but highly useful animal.

18:30

asciilifeform: Is that the cat that killed the defective bird?

18:30

TomServo: the very same.

18:30

Useful indeed.

18:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9421 @ 0.00063578 = 5.9897 BTC [-]

~ 16 minutes ~

18:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0006346 = 4.3787 BTC [-]

18:57

;;later tell guevara246 this is a problem I was working on. even with a single sig a timelocked transaction can be double spent if it another valid transaction is broadcasted and accepted before the timelock expires the original transaction becomes expired

18:57

The operation succeeded.

18:57

becomes invalidated*

18:57

it's weird how this issue hasn't been addressed more in use cases since there is no way to really set up a trust fund of sorts with time-delayed transactions without the risk of the beneficiary double spending

~ 16 minutes ~

19:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0006354 = 3.9077 BTC [+]

19:16

$depth mpoe

19:16

empyex

TomServo: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=6 Or use a valid MPSIC!

~ 29 minutes ~

19:45

kakobrekla

>Providing you with financials only provides grist for your complaint mill, and gives you more to moan about. So that's not a priority.

19:47

;;later tell BingoBoingo Is it just me or does hanbot blog with an unstated anger and foreboding that seldom comes through in mircea_popescu posts because mircea_popescu need not give a fuck << you sayin' i give too many fucks? is that what you're sayin'? like what, like i'm an angry foreboder, here to amuse you?!

19:47

The operation succeeded.

19:51

asciilifeform is windowcat watching you tinkerbate?

~ 38 minutes ~

20:30

i always thought the word "factoid" was a direct analogue of the phrase "useless trivia"

20:31

today, i find out i've been using this word incorrectly since childhood

20:43

me too, that is interesting

20:43

factoid is a factoid

20:43

!up BlueMeanie4

20:43

pretty cool

20:44

<guevara246> the rationale being applied to chargeback and fraud < yes.

20:46

<TomServo> Now you had better !up him, in case he should care to comment. <<, your dry humour has been recorded :D

20:46

<thestringpuller> it's weird how this issue hasn't been addressed << they're called power rangers for a reason you know.

20:47

kakobrekla who's that ?

20:47

nubbins` no, it's a direct anlogue of useless trivia.

20:48

the definition of factoid was in fact a factoid for me this whole time

20:48

trivial or false information that exists more for being repeated than for being important

20:48

i was very nonplussed upon realizing this

20:48

nubbins` so what do you (erroneously) think it means now ?

20:48

lies

20:49

damn lies

20:49

From: Ana Samaniego Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:24 PM Subject: Hello I NEED YOUR PARTNERSHIP OF $49.5 MILLION USD. E-MAIL: jmorrow147@rogers.com

20:49

hanbot: lol. windowcat, in all likelihood, began by watching birds. or the play of her kitten, microwindowcat. but she's been known to look in the window.

20:49

chick wants to has my babies ?

20:49

i heard you wanted to have children

20:50

yes, but for lunch.

20:50

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2X4SYJR.txt )

20:50

!b 2

20:50

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumplings_(film)

20:50

Dumplings (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20:50

mircea_popescu: analogous to "human" vs "humanoid"

20:50

good little trilogy

20:50

3

20:51

...Extremes

20:51

nubbins` that's nonsense. next you're going to believe a tabloid is a littler table.

20:51

HEH.

20:51

humanoid doesn't mean littler table!

20:51

i, uh. wait

20:51

no. it's a little tabl.

20:51

humanoid doesn't mean littler human!

20:51

a humanoid is some sort of human-resembling thing. a factoid holds more prejudice : it's a nonfactual fact-looking thing.

20:52

like a human

20:52

not a human

20:52

or, 'spheroid' vs sphere.

20:52

ThickAsThieves like a virgin.

20:52

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Spheroid.html << for folks with memory loss

20:52

Spheroid -- from Wolfram MathWorld

20:52

like someone who doesn't own btc

20:52

this should totally be a thing. "honey, i'm a virginoid."

20:52

i can feel my heart beat

20:52

elijah wood is a virginoid

20:52

my first gf was a virginoid

20:52

"what's that ? " "like a virgin that's really obsessed with the notion people are trying to fuck her. paranoid virgin."

20:53

she thought she was a virgin cuz she only had anal

20:53

so what's a fucktoid ?

20:53

handjob

20:53

or maybe it should be spelled fucktoy'd.

20:54

this is actually what the bitcoin community does to everything

20:54

make it -oid

20:54

'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue; they merely misplaced it by an inch.'

20:54

altcoinoid ?

20:54

"no ty, i have my own altoids"

20:54

blockchainoid

20:54

nubbins` see what you've doneoid ? i hope you're happyoid nao.

20:54

biggestfirstbestoid

20:54

ID!

20:55

*

asciilifeform -oid << has long recognized the existence of 'womanoids', who bear the same relationship to 'woman' as spheroid to sphere.

20:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.0006346 = 14.215 BTC [-]

20:55

<asciilifeform> 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue; they merely misplaced it by an inch.' << does this mean they imagine purity is about keeping their asshole undeflowered, or does it mean their hymen is now wrapped around their uterine head ?

20:55

it's like a 'mini fact'

20:55

it's not

20:55

it's not!

20:55

thats the point here

20:56

*

nubbins` gestures emphatically at screen

20:56

something neither provable nor disprovable, but simply annoying enough to be worthy of printing

20:56

BlueMeanie4 don't feed the trolloids.

20:56

factlet

20:56

ya

20:56

factoids are to fact what pizza rolls are to pizza

20:56

pizzoid.

20:57

they are not quite facts, but similar and have related qualities and are a diminished form of such

20:57

hechito

20:57

i wonder if there's a fetish where the guy wants to eat out girls that have priorly masturbated with pizza rolls

20:57

for the delicious cheezy flavour.

20:57

pizza rolls!

20:58

The Asteroid Monsteroid!

20:58

Coming soon! At a cinema near you!

20:59

hemorrhoid

20:59

*

nubbins` blinks, considers

20:59

yea, it's a diminished hemohorror.

20:59

hemohorror, for when hemorrhaging scares you

20:59

(most of the time)

20:59

meanwhile at the trilema ranch of feminist pain, http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/#comment-106375

20:59

How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:01

so what exactly is going on in crypto these days?

21:01

seems everything is lame as hell

21:01

that.

21:02

why no one asks 'what is going on in metallurgy?'

21:02

and does this mean 'everything lame as hell' ?

21:02

moriarty, dat unsolicited pm

21:02

i dont know im just not excited about anything i see

21:02

must something 'go on' at all times?

21:02

not really no

21:03

nubbins` you too ?

21:03

just thought id poll this IRC

21:03

;;gettrust moriarty

21:03

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moriarty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moriarty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moriarty | Rated since: never

21:03

i think we all got sp4mz0r3d

21:03

yeah, ##econometroid or something

21:03

idiots. well, ignore exists for a reason i guess.

21:03

BlueMeanie4: the rich get richer, the rubes get ruber

21:03

same old

21:04

there must be some options

21:05

im just not excited about anything i see << constant state of excitement is a medical condition, doctors say 'priapism' and it is curable. be glad you aren't 'excited' at all times.

21:05

always

21:05

lol why so mean.

21:05

there are never no options

21:05

HE's supposed to be the meanie here.

21:06

oh shit

21:06

lol

21:06

TOMORROW is opposite day

21:06

im actually not that mean

21:06

sorry guise D:

21:06

nubbins` you ain't black enough yo. if you were you'd have not got no options.

21:06

BlueMeanie4 why not ? are you like a loser or something ?

21:06

some people only get options 'abort, retry, fail'

21:06

the mean shall inherit the earth

21:07

i think that was "the average" not "the mean"

21:07

ooh, 2x snare 1x crash

21:07

BlueMeanie4 anyway, nothing is happening in crypto since altcoin killed everything.

21:08

hanbot: was that a goodfella's reference?

21:08

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/seal-steals-fish-fisherman-boat-1382810646V.gif <<< ahahaha epic.

21:10

BlueMeanie4: so how do buy options/futures? << probably your best bet atm is otc. get in the wot, identify a trustworthy cp, sign a contract.

21:11

we can build a real p2p financial instruments tool

21:11

we can't, because a) you're not in the wot so no we, and b) we already have.

21:11

ok i guess it would be fair to give your platform a real vetting

21:12

*

mircea_popescu digs up wherever he said that something can either be decentralized or systematic, not both.

21:13

i think IRC might be limited in key ways for this purpose

21:13

mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/in-which-we-discuss-datskovskiys-discussion-of-mpex << here i think

21:13

In which we discuss Datskovskiy’s discussion of MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:13

also you need to have securitization features

21:13

!up jborkl

21:13

is assbot a person or a robot?

21:13

;;google gpg contracts

21:13

GPG Contracts – Adler Vermillion, LLP: <http://adlervermillion.com/gpg-contracts/>; GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/>; GPG Contracts - Satoshi Nakamoto Institute: <http://nakamotoinstitute.org/literature/gpg-contracts/>

21:13

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ebay-owned-mobile-currency-company-thinking-about-accepting-bitcoin-180952457/#AzpTZcCVBOjH4vQz.16

21:13

History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

21:14

BlueMeanie4 ever read that one ?

21:14

Deep ++

21:14

Derp

21:14

asciilifeform actually i was thinking of http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/#comment-102651

21:14

GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:14

!up BlueMeanie4

21:17

and the first contracts were probably marriage contracts

21:18

not probably, they actually were.

21:18

now i can get fat

21:19

ha

21:20

its a good essay

21:21

so there you go. the wot is your tool.

21:22

im gonna crack it open on monday

21:22

hopefully you guys will be around here then

21:23

been around for years, what's another weekend.

21:23

everything else went to shit, satoshi, mtgox, all the previous things that "were" bitcoin. we're still here.

21:24

ya i knew a bit about you

21:24

even mentioned you on some listervs

21:24

WOT that is

21:27

BlueMeanie4 what kinda options/futures you looking to buy

21:27

well want to know how the controls work

21:27

this is part of the problem, MARKETING is the big challenge for these sorts of instruments

21:28

nubbins` it's actually one of the best ways to get in the wot, fully paid future delivery contracts with someone already in. should be safe enough if dealing with a heavyweight for both parties.

21:28

BlueMeanie4 no it's not. they aren't for the mass market.

21:28

whenever the random idiot gets involved across the board, the economy goes to shit.

21:28

actually our economic crisis was blamed on a sort of security

21:28

someone wants to cast a vote in the wonderous world of finance, he'd better demonstrate either intelligence or the ability to retain counsel.

21:29

and there are MASSIVE outstanding instruments that most believe will collapse

21:29

you don't say.

21:29

well part of the problem here is how to catalog the *offerings* for these instrumetns so I can easily invest or market them

21:30

example I want to make a bond for my business

21:30

but no one knows what my business does

21:30

but there are investors out there who might want to invest in my CLASS of credit

21:30

this is how mortgage financing works

21:30

the bankers no longer know who you are

21:31

but they know what class of credit you are in

21:31

so this approach greatly increases liquidity

21:32

Mircea, if I need credit for the next 3 days will my WOT suffice?

21:33

well you WOT is one-dimensional. say you were to describe what the credit is FOR, ie. you want to finance a software project. then your market opens up, there are investors out there who invest in such things.

21:34

also collateralized contracts are very useful

21:35

thestringpuller: hanbot: was that a goodfella's reference? << yepper.

21:35

jborkl depends how much.

21:36

BlueMeanie4 i don't think you understand hw it works.

21:36

;;google how the wot works

21:36

Why WOT works | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/support/how-wot-works>; How WOT ratings work | Help Center | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/faq/website/rating-websites>; Frequently Asked Questions | World of Tanks: <http://worldoftanks.com/en/content/guide/general/frequently_asked_questions/>

21:36

shame on you google.

21:36

http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

21:36

What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:36

;;google what the wot is for

21:36

What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/>; World of Tanks official forum: <http://forum.worldoftanks.com/>; WoT 9.x Guide for Better FPS/Graphic Optimization 3.0 - Support ...: <http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/349743-wot-9x-guide-for-better-fpsgraphic- (1 more message)

21:36

sorry google, i take it back. my bad.

21:37

World of tanks heh

21:37

im familiar with it

21:37

so then what exactly do you mean by "one dimensional"

21:37

it's infinitely dimensional.

21:37

the point is that different classes of credit are valuable to different classes of people

21:37

exactly.

21:37

well WOT measures value by the person, not the type of credit this person is marketing

21:38

...

21:38

that made no sense. try again ?

21:38

heres an example

21:38

i make two mortgages

21:38

one for palo alto and one for ferguson

21:38

made by the same person

21:38

are they both worth the same?

21:38

...

21:39

"i order a dildo and a box of cookies in the same shop. are they worth the same ?"

21:39

that's the wrong question. is it equally likely the store will deliver my order is the right question.

21:39

thats a fairly specious and somewhat annoying response

21:39

and yes, i would say that they are equally likely to be delivered.

21:39

point is

21:39

yes i would buy one mortgage risk and not the other

21:39

these are facts of financial markets

21:40

but for no reasons to do with the actual risk.

21:40

try to get car insurance in detroit

21:40

and see what happens

21:40

strictly for reasons to do with what you're buying.

21:40

it's nonsense to claim they're the same things but with different risks,.

21:40

right i want to knwo what im buying

21:40

they're actually different things.

21:40

WOT only looks at the person issueing and while this isn't useless, it is possible to make much better systems

21:40

ok, so what you're buying is between you and your cp.

21:40

true

21:41

no, wot only looks at how likely it is for your cp to lie to you.

21:41

but its EASIER to market it if i can catalogue by risk class

21:41

but the reason you can't is because that's a fucktarded system made by lazy apes that doesn't work

21:41

which is why you're here, and which is why i'm not on ws.

21:41

youve got the basic contract mechanism, now you need securitizatino tools

21:41

because your system sucks.

21:41

the wot is the securization tool.

21:41

no you dont understand meaning of 'securitization'

21:42

it doesnt mean making securities per se

21:42

it means turning risk into a monetized resource

21:42

i do. the problem is that you'd like for shorthand that's accepted in an old, meanwhile abandoned system to work unioversally.

21:42

it doesn't work universally.

21:42

you'll have to learn new shorthand.

21:42

same principles, of course, but changes the engineer's life entirely.

21:42

i can write a contract lets say a futures contract right?

21:42

sure.

21:42

pretty simple

21:42

i give you 10 beans on christmas day 2015

21:43

okay.

21:43

but can i resell that risk?

21:43

sure.

21:43

how

21:43

by... reselling it. making a new contract.

21:43

no thats not exactly the same

21:43

hell, the ether future contract specifically said it will allow assignment even.

21:43

because the VALUE of that RISK doesnt float on the market

21:43

no, it's not exactly the same. hence the comment above about shorthands,

21:44

in modern markets

21:44

i can make that futures contract

21:44

your modern markets failed.

21:44

and the default collateral i can put on the market

21:44

which is why we're here.

21:44

and it can change hands

21:44

its very powerufl

21:44

generates massive amounts of wealht

21:44

hey, you wanna stick to doing it that way by all means.

21:44

go ahead. it ain't happening here, and it won't survive the decade.

21:45

while thats a valid point, i dont think they failed BECAUSE of securitization altough these new methods did destablize

21:45

they are not inherently destructive

21:45

the argument as presented is purely semantical.

21:45

hi

21:45

they didn't fail because of securitization directly, but nevertheless they will fail unavoidably for reasons rooted in why that particular kind of securitization works that particular way.

21:45

ello b00lcrap

21:46

hey good day sir

21:46

im asciilifeforms co worker

21:46

i dont think we have officially met.

21:46

how goes at stan's co-work ?

21:46

well they tell me its a sinking shit

21:46

!up BlueMeanie4

21:46

but we have all just been upgrade to first class.

21:46

i like that phrase

21:47

oh

21:47

it's much better when your shit floats

21:47

sinking ship

21:47

lol

21:47

no, the first one was better :D

21:47

b00lcrap lol what do you do, asm ?

21:47

yeah

21:47

asm

21:47

windows malware

21:47

some vuln dev

21:47

well, get in the wot, im sure you won't sink here.

21:47

theres nothing wrong with securitization, it's just like debt based money- a school of morons believes it is evil by some undefined ethos

21:47

BlueMeanie4 the ethos is quite well defined.

21:47

;;google the problem of too much money

21:47

Why Too Much Money is Worse than Too Little | OPEN Forum: <http://www.openforum.com/articles/why-too-much-money-is-worse-than-too-little-1/>; Why Too Much Money Is Bad for a Startup | Inc.com: <http://www.inc.com/magazine/201404/elain-pofeldt/too-much-startup-funding-causes-problems.html>; 'If I Think About My Money Problems Too Much, I'll Miss My Babies ...: (1 more message)

21:47

OMFG GOOGLE!

21:48

every working currency we have is debt backed

21:48

BlueMeanie4 http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ << there you go.

21:48

The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:48

no. bitcoin is not debt backed. every dysfunctional currency is debt backed.

21:48

well that is reassuring. cuz i have many hungry mouths to feed

21:48

b00lcrap srsly ? how many is many ?

21:48

i guess you get to be right until bitcoin fails?

21:48

BlueMeanie4 exactly.

21:48

3

21:48

+ me

21:49

maybe thats not that many

21:49

b00lcrap 3 bits...

21:49

debt is the basic thing that gives money substance

21:49

BlueMeanie4 this is like saying vishnu is the basic thing giving the world movement.

21:49

sure, if you're pre-colonialism indian.

21:50

no it isn't - quite the opposite using gold or other commodities for money were a feature of primitive societies- you seem to have it backward

21:50

hey, what can i tell you.

21:50

don't confuse historical accident with meaning.

21:50

it goes from

21:50

barter

21:50

to commodity notes

21:50

to debt notes

21:51

that's how it goes in the book your learned on. this is called didacticism : the sad habit of people to recreate history in terms of their preferred systematic approach.

21:51

otherwise, debt notes are older than coins, have been in use in china since forever.

21:51

this sophistry doesnt work on me. its pretty simple really. if i hold a note that says YOU OWE ME TWENTY EGGS

21:52

this is worth something right?

21:52

depends who i am and what eggs are.

21:52

its worth at least 20 eggs in the future

21:52

plenty of people hold... pirate debt

21:52

or rather at most 20 eggs

21:52

which they bought because they think like you, in spite of me telling them not to.

21:52

goxcoins

21:52

right so the margin between the actual eggs and my risk of actually getting them is what is the value of the note

21:52

now, you're more welcome to get burned a few times if you won't listen and feel entitled to call things sophistry.

21:52

and thats the value of currency

21:53

no.

21:53

USDs are valuable because people, generally, think that the US govt will repay

21:53

fun story, was over at my folks' house this evening and my dad pulled out some old chartered bank notes

21:53

you are making a mistake jpm warned against. allow me to quote the old gentleman.

21:53

Untermyer: "Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property?"

21:53

Morgan: "No sir. The first thing is character."

21:53

Untermyer: "Before money or property?"

21:53

Morgan: "Before money or property or anything else. Money cannot buy it...because a man I do not trust could not get money from me on all the bonds in Christendom."

21:53

came across a Bank of Montreal $20 bill

21:53

ThickAsTheives- actually those kind of collection notes have a market

21:53

so no, it's not a thing equal to another thing, and they discount each other.

21:54

who i am and what eggs are comes before any numerical consideration of value.

21:54

a 20 egg note is not worth 20 eggs, yes, it's up to the debtor to MAKE them worth 20 eggs. see how this works?

21:54

i see how you think it works.

21:54

but it doth not work that way, mostly.

21:55

well i dont really bear the burden of proof, these are facts of financial markets as they exist

21:55

*

mircea_popescu shrugs.

21:55

how much are us gold backed debentures, worth cca 1931 ?

21:55

"this paper will pay 1000 oz of pure gold"

21:55

when did we issue those?

21:55

OH NO IT WON'T

21:55

yes well.

21:55

we had silver certs for a while

21:56

i have a few actually

21:56

so look : you can sit in a car, and derive from the experiene of sitting there some idea as to how the car works.

21:56

this is fine, but it's a little silly to push that argument of familiarity too far.

21:57

these "financial markets" aren't a single thing, and they only work as you describe them when they don't actually work.

21:57

i find it unfortunate that so many are bogged down with these voodoo economic ideas when they should be building better machinery to deliver real functions

21:58

well, to round the circle : i find it unfortunate that so many otherwise intelligent fellows are so fixated on their various habituations that they refuse to adapt and become useful for the future.

21:59

ok but i fail to see any operable ideas here

21:59

just suggestions that our current system is flawed in some way

21:59

but one point is important : the world you know has failed. this will require a pound of flesh out of everyone involved. whether it comes in the form of the intellectual humiliation where you say "we were wrong and the actual voodoo people at the table" and move on, or the actual physical humiliation that goes with being on the defeated side...

21:59

BlueMeanie4 well you gotta read to see the operable ideas.

22:00

the basic laws of math and economics have not failed nor have they been altered

22:00

they have not. just, you never used any math and you never had much to say about economics.

22:00

and by you i mostly don't mean you personally.

22:02

mircea_popescu: Power issues. Will be off for possibly a couple more hours. Will pro-rata a discount at current estimated

22:02

;;genrate 1700000

22:02

The expected generation output, at 1700000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 23844670038.8, is 0.0358545988072 BTC per day and 0.00149394161697 BTC per hour.

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say 0.002/btc/hour

22:02

X-Rob what happened anyway ? power station blew up ?

22:04

*

hanbot enjoyed this "debate"; i call it "let's read the convo via the logs and guess what mp's answers will be, then hit refresh and score ourselves"

22:05

lol hanbot so what's your score ?

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epsilon :D

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i was gonna say "true"

22:07

TAT- so before you say goxcoins

22:07

people market those kind of collection notes all the time

22:08

say you had a million dollars in outstanding collections

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and I was a collectoins auditor

22:08

i buy them for 200k

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:)

22:08

in that case it is the flavor of the product

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and manage to collect 400k

22:08

WIN

22:08

funny part being i said this exactly.

22:08

mircea_popescu: no, that 1700 is actually at my house

22:09

you system as far as i udnerstand it does not allwo for the transfer of obligations

22:09

and I have a nice smokey looking circuit breaker

22:09

BlueMeanie4 that'd be because you got some ideas you're trying to fit to observed reality

22:09

try the other approach.

22:09

So I'm digging a trench to bypass it

22:09

X-Rob and enjoiny every inch of the process i bet :D

22:09

no, im explaining real tangible facts of how finance markets work

22:10

same thing, really.

22:10

how financial markets used to work pre bitcoin is purely of academic interest

22:10

one thing i know about finance markets, it's no one really gets to say how they work

22:10

A Brave New World

22:10

kinda like we care about how the iroquis "state capitol" used to work.

22:11

?

22:12

are we about to go into tour de force of rousseuian noble savage theory

22:12

go right ahead.

22:13

nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT2JkKLjNSw

22:13

The Frogs - I'm Sad The Goat Just Died Today - YouTube

22:13

what do the Iroquois have to do with this

22:13

gonna sign them ?

22:13

BlueMeanie4 pretend you're some exponent of the iroquis. everything you said works just as well.

22:14

"real tangible facts of how political systems work" indeed.

22:14

ok?

22:14

nobody here gives a shit, and unless you change your mind you'll be force-marrying some english speaking brute.

22:14

this isn't like... o hey, bitcoin is trying to persuade the old order.

22:14

bluemean4 representin Team Marketoids v. mircea_popescu with Team Perfect Economoids. Fight!

22:14

this is like, bitcoin will fuck it up the ass with a steel girder and everyone has a short and vanishing opportunity to change sides.

22:15

quickly and well. ie, convincingly.

22:15

some of these bitcoin people are reminiscint of the french revolution. for a few weeks they thought they could completely redesign the whole universe. I believe they wanted to change the number of days in a week.

22:16

this few weeks was written about with horror by most who lived through it

22:16

for sure. and that's nothing compared.

22:16

quite an apt comparison, actually.

22:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1866 @ 0.0006346 = 1.1842 BTC [-]

22:17

!up BlueMeanie4

22:19

the funny part being, of course, that they actually DID redesign the whole universe, and everything you imagine was always fixed and the case was purely and shamelessly invented then. then history rewritten to support this inane theory.

22:19

we happen to be here to reverse all of it and more, but it's irrelevant which way it goes really. obviously the cock going in hurts about as much as it hurts going out, so to speak.

22:20

im assuming youre being facetious

22:20

in that assumption you'd be wrong.

22:21

well for as long as you lack the features i describe, these contracts will have a very limited market

22:21

mp sick tunes

22:21

maximizing the market is not a valid goal of economics any more than maximizing body weight is not a valid goal of medicine.

22:21

you're maybe thinking industrial veterinarian.

22:21

different story.

22:22

the point is for the market to be meaningful not large.

22:22

economics literally means 'efficiency'

22:22

in the sense laundromat literally means laundry robot.

22:23

home ec

22:23

from Greek oikonomia "household management, thrift,"

22:23

the thrift is actually the historical point here. economy started its life as an attempt to waste less.

22:24

well if i want to say take out a put or o call

22:24

i want the best price

22:24

and how will i get the best price

22:24

your focus on the price to the detriment of the more important considerations is, again, what sunk the system you grew up with.

22:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9lzL14S9GU

22:24

Grandma's Sitting in the Corner With a Penis in Her Hand Going "No, No, No, No, No" - The Frogs - YouTube

22:25

that's how you ended up with "books" being the shittiest thing people will still take as a book, in a neat little package

22:25

and with otherwise-flavoured fanta sold as beer

22:25

this seems to be a tactic you use to avoid addressing either your lack of information on a subject or you willingness to accept various facts

22:25

and so on,

22:25

it's not a pretty place to live in. even if you do have the ever present, ever oversold hope you will somehow "create immense value" and run off to live in argentina.

22:25

BlueMeanie4 what's "this" ?

22:25

you cant just wave away ideas by saying 'thats old world'

22:26

course i can. i can do anything i want.

22:26

well sure

22:26

"i want the best price" is why all the painted lines are worn off the road here two months after they gets sprayed on.

22:26

but you look like a cult leader

22:26

or at least aspiring to be one

22:26

BlueMeanie4 if i cared what i looked like i'd actually be a cult leader.

22:26

as it is, i'm content to merely look like one.

22:26

ok.

22:26

"i want the best price" is why there are five wal-marts in my city of 100k people

22:27

auctoritas. it's a thing.

22:27

nubbins you dont want the best price?

22:27

"i want the best price" is the reason why tim horton's is the number one coffee chain in canada

22:27

it ruled an empire, and it was the way to rule an empire, before the very successful french revolution reorganised your mental space for you.

22:27

BlueMeanie4: of course not.

22:27

ha

22:27

i want the best /value/.

22:27

BlueMeanie4 he sells expensive artwork and shit. not a very good angle there.

22:28

thats what the anti-walmartians argument boils down to. they lack the terms to describe what is bothering them, so instead they are stuck paying for overpriced stuff from 'local' people

22:28

"i want the best price" as you head to the dollar store to buy the fifth set of pliers

22:28

BlueMeanie4 the point flew about six feet above your head

22:28

o brother will you have fun here.

22:28

i just hope your nerves hold.

22:28

ok so you dont want marketable financial contracts

22:28

go tit

22:29

not at all.

22:29

i want the "right" price

22:29

can you like, not make so many strawmen ?!

22:29

<+BlueMeanie4> thats what the anti-walmartians argument boils down to. they lack the terms to describe what is bothering them, so instead they are stuck paying for overpriced stuff from 'local' people <<< unadulterated gibberish, contains no information

22:29

it's fine for them to be marketable, provided they're financial contracts.

22:29

ThickAsThieves not bad

22:29

not the cheapo, dysfunctional ersatz the "financial markets" currently use.

22:30

every now and again a smarmy da walks into a smart judge's chambers with something about "a standard deal" and the judge tells him there's no such thing as "standard deals"

22:30

i think there was a degrade in quality for some of these

22:30

that's an important point for the da to digest, in his personal evolution from smarmy to useful.

22:30

i live in a area that was heavily financed by these MBA mortgages

22:30

no, there wasn't "a degrade of quality".

22:30

just, some shit splurged out of the package.

22:30

the package OF SHIT, mind you.

22:30

its not securitization

22:30

heres basically what happened

22:31

they developed these things not very long ago, you might say 198-something maybe they began?

22:31

bonus points if you mention "gaussian copulas" being calculated in excel spreadsheets by monkeys.

22:31

prior to that futures and options were only for commodiites

22:31

so most didnt know what they were

22:31

but what they did see where amazing gains

22:31

AMAZING COMPANY!

22:31

and these gains were rationally derived mostly

22:31

but then

22:32

people got out of hand with it

22:32

its like bitcoin

22:32

;;echo gives assbot a cookie.

22:32

gives assbot a cookie.

22:32

rationally derived gains

22:32

it worked, then the altcoin fuckfaces came in and pissed in the pool

22:32

that's not really what happened, but anyway.

22:32

sure it is

22:32

take the MBAs

22:32

BlueMeanie4: i take raw materials, add value to them, sell them. great, now i've got $x. i can put $x in the hands of walmart and buy 1kg of coffee, or i can put $x in the hands of a business owned by someone who lives here and buy 0.75kg of coffee. sure, with the first option i've got 0.25kg extra coffee, but my city has $(x-y) fewer dollars, where y is an almost-negligible sum.

22:32

prior to the invention of such, mortgages were very hard to get

22:32

how's this hard to understand? :/

22:32

what happened is that clinton decided niggers will become whites if they get free houses. they drew up legislation to implement this nonsense.

22:32

the banks noticed hey, free money!

22:33

shouldnt morgages be hard to get?

22:33

two decades later, the whole thing's ruined, as it will never get out of an ever increasing black hole of moral hazard

22:33

TAT: technically no

22:33

depends on your reputation

22:33

Mircea, thats not accurate

22:33

youre taking the gonzo highly critical anti-view

22:33

well we all got our stories as to "what really happened". i was merely illustrating the vastness of that area.

22:34

if i were a mortgage investors

22:34

i might choose to look at any criteria i want

22:34

but regardless of what really happened : there's no way forward. it died, and that's that. bury it and move on, you ain't fixing the corpse.

22:34

maybe i personally know that lets say romania is a great investment

22:35

sure, and hotels in paris give themselves star-ratings based on the size of the lobby

22:35

thus I buy undervalued credit risk

22:35

for romanian mortgages

22:35

how would you "personally know". is this stock picking on steroids ?

22:35

this is the day of the unsolicited pm

22:35

maybe you know someething about it

22:35

thats how investing works

22:36

BlueMeanie4 like what ? like say, omg! like say you stop thinking in terms of "romania" wqhich doesn't exist anyway, and you oinly use because you gotta use something,

22:36

and instead traverse the fucking wot according to some criteria that make sense to you and invest accordingly, IN PEOPLE ?

22:36

whoa!

22:36

ok lets say you think chicago is a horrible investment

22:36

and the property is overvalued

22:36

jus' wont let go huh.

22:36

so you can short the underlying credit devices for the mortgages in chicago

22:36

wtf is "chicago" ?

22:37

i think it's some sort of bond

22:37

and then the price to take out a mortgage for people in chicago goes up

22:37

wait, not bond, band

22:37

<+nubbins`> this is the day of the unsolicited pm /// usagi is back. coincidence?

22:37

man. suppose you're the sort of klutz that thinks "chicago is cool". i then knowing you think this sell you a house in "chicago" fgor a price twhich reflects your expectation, but in a location that satisfies my cost structure.

22:37

and then we quibble about whether "it was really in chicago"

22:37

ThickAsThieves actually now that you mention it, he was pm'ing me asking for voice earlier when i was afk

22:37

well no, it wasn't, because "chicago" as such dun exist.

22:37

no true chicagoan

22:38

!up TheInterocitor

22:39

no idea what youre talking about but the idea here is to give people more control and choice over where there money goes

22:39

ty

22:39

nubbins` i think he pm'd everyone after being devoiced after being all territorial for some god-forsaken reason.

22:39

so who're you TheInterocitor ?

22:39

terri... why?

22:39

if they want to juice up credit markets in chicago, they can

22:40

BlueMeanie4 if they can they must.

22:40

currently the way the markets work are very elitist,

22:40

usagi is just mad that his tongue is poisoned with nonsense

22:40

there are no choices really

22:40

mircea_popescu: formerly RooK we met a few weeks back

22:40

aha.

22:40

I read logs here religiously

22:40

BlueMeanie4 yes, there are. really.

22:40

can you buy your friends mortgage?

22:40

sure.

22:40

really?

22:40

show me how

22:40

what's to keep me ?

22:41

i sign a gpg contract with him. case closed.

22:41

oh you can make a private deal

22:41

but capital requirements are large

22:41

all deals are private deals.

22:41

you need to have entire principal in hand

22:41

what other type of de... ah, too slow

22:41

As they should be

22:41

lol

22:41

BlueMeanie4 why should poor people have something to say about property and the dispositon thereof ?

22:42

actually what im advocating benefits poor people

22:42

surely you're not suggesting that one should have enough money to purchase the thing one is purchasing

22:42

let them say things about their business, making hamburgers or filling tyres or w/e it is.

22:43

Usually poor people that have no idea how to manage money ?

22:43

you dont seem to recognize the power in these sorts of liquid markets

22:43

you're right. i recognize there's no power there, just noise.

22:43

the first and primary benefit is much more capital available

22:43

bad capital.

22:43

how is capital 'bad'?

22:43

a man can live on junk food

22:43

just not the same life

22:43

lemme tell you how. i build a number of businesses in btc that relied on not dealing with idiots. they're still here, and worth whatever hundred million.

22:44

everyone else tried to build businesses out of allowing idiots in. they all failed

22:44

ThickAsThieves had first hand experience, among many others.

22:44

so... that way, bad capital. the money of idiots is not useful.

22:44

good point, it was very much a junk food experience too

22:44

it's useful once you sever the connection between the idiot and the money

22:44

I trust ThickAsThieves, and Havelock ftw

22:44

if the idiot still has hooks in it, though..

22:44

nubbins` yeah but that's called scamming.

22:44

*

nubbins` nods sagely

22:45

TheInterocitor you trust havelock?

22:45

why?

22:45

age

22:45

ah.

22:45

Well havelock hasnt goxxed on me yet

22:45

it's an SEO factor

22:45

i was thinking. "not scammed me yet"

22:45

TheInterocitor: sure they have.

22:45

?

22:46

let's see: their website was an insecure piece of shit with massive security holes that literally allowed third parties to drain accounts -- UNTIL LAST SUMMER

22:46

but his didn't get drained.

22:46

they let funds delist whenever they please, converting "shares" into "we'll send you a slip of paper"

22:46

true

22:46

but it never happened to something he owned.

22:46

I was unaware of this

22:46

the relist things the opertaors owners delist

22:46

they*

22:46

not like I have a substantial amount there

22:47

they sign up the shittest funds in the universe and chew up all the listing fees to unspecified "expenses", ensuring the investorubes don't get any of it

22:47

etc etc

22:47

basically you can fault havelock's quality, and there is where you can remove trust

22:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00063525 = 0.9211 BTC [+]

22:47

so im playing this tablet game. it has a slots implementation, giving some in game benefits. i turned 2k chips into 85150, and it will never end.

22:47

fucktards don't understand rngs. took me all of 30 seconds to figure it out, too.

22:47

*

mircea_popescu is pretty proud of himself atm.

22:48

does it pay for realz?

22:48

ThickAsThieves well game coinz.

22:48

word

22:48

so I need to sell all my RENT shares I guess lol

22:48

;;google dragon vs god

22:48

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22:48

coming soon: S.THISTABLETGAME

22:48

there, if anyone wants to try and find the hole.

22:48

and that was how the MPEx Tablet Game Guild Began

22:48

nubbins` i do shoot emails to the more promising publishers.

22:49

damn you nub!

22:49

you beta me

22:49

kinda the point of the entire exercise.

22:49

actually i alpha you

22:49

same thing

22:49

wait, no.

22:49

i beta you.

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yeah, i guess.

22:49

just go find a gramma you two.

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are there channels where people speak in code?

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btw mircea_popescu I used one of your blog posts as a STFU in an argument the other day

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like Morse

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ThickAsThieves yes. this one.

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TheInterocitor did it work ?

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http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies

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The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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I think so

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from what i hear from people trying such things, it rarely works in the sense of comprehension, but almost always works in the sense of making the op stfu.

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It did, and I thank you tremendously

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no bother.

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There can be only one

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in bitcoin ? you're kidding. there's been what, 6 or 7 jesuses ? at least 5 or so satoshis...

22:54

once you fix the coins to 21mn tops, everything else can exist in immoderate, endless supply

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A fool and his money I suppose. Any money I make in alts just goes to btc. I have little interest in survival of them.

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what's the point in being ANTI-altcoins anyway

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i can see if you dont value them

22:56

ThickAsThieves ever seen a cat when something moves irregularly ?

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you saying humans have instinct?!

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course they do. how do you think all the drunk conceptions happen.

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xD

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my wife says everything is learned

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i say it's all the same shit

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whether i learned or my ancestor did, who cares

22:57

speaking oif such instinct. i dunno if you've ever had dogs, but they're beyond funny when virgin. because while the dog's instinct absolutely drives him to try and mount the bitch, the dog's brain itself doesn't comprehend wtf is happening

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and so they usually look all confused.

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"why am i fucking a pillow?"

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Great analogy

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what would you define the instinct is of hating altcoins? fear of randomness?

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ThickAsThieves exactly like the cat's reaction to "unapprovable movement"

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No. They have nothing to offer that btc doesn't already do

22:59

so you hate monopoly money too?

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*

asciilifeform slept through b00lcrap's intro

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moot

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yes he's in w0t

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give him w0rk

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the cat is driven by an attempt to reduce the cognitive load. things that move impredictably draw its attention and require it to spend brainpower. better if they stop moving.

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same exact thing here. monopoly money is not the same because it's not "in their space"

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;;gettrust b00lcrap

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;;rate b00lcrap 1 CD 21

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ok but the cat is a predator, isnt its instinct to chase?

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it's not a chasing predator. it lies in wait normally.

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my cats love chasing shit

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Perception

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maybe your cats are really doghorses.

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we keep the laser pointer in a drawer,

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they know the sound of it opening

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and come running

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lmao

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i do this whistle pattern whenever i give them treats, if i do it long enough they get all riled up and start smacking others that get too close

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cats are so weird

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ThickAsThieves i wonder if old married couples get that same way, guy hears the condom drawer screech and gets an errection.

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pagin herr pavlov.

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old married couple dont use comdoms

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:P

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shit.

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well maybe they're old married couples of sluts.

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nah that doesn't work either

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lol

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GOD DAMNIT

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mircea_popescu: old married sluts << 'подводная лодка в степях украины погибла в неравном воздушном бою.'

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lol

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sounds tweetable.

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eminently.

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подводная лодка в степях #украины погибла в неравном воздушном бою.

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or, for the inglischers, 'if ya don't believe this lie is true, ask the blind man, he saw it too'

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no, for the inglischers is, "this is how normal debates work and everyone on reddit agrees."

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cats are more stalking predators

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chasing is for fun

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nubbins` in some places the crag cat is a real danger to human life

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can drop on your head break your neck

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!up TheInterocitor

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reddit blows

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formal logic course in uni with an ancient chinese prof: "all cats have four legs. /some/ cats dig my music."

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poor guy couldn't even finish his statement over the laughter ;(

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... socrates is mortal.

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dem syllogisms

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silly logismoids, amirite

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acrually that's a kickass album name.

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tom cleese and tom jones could do it.

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'silo'o'jizm'

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asciilifeform that's more like country.

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lol

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a man who eats meat wants to get his teeth into something; a man who does not eat meat wants to get his teeth into something else

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;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 503.35, Best ask: 503.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 504.09, 24 hour volume: 8548.90926155, 24 hour low: 487.0, 24 hour high: 510.86, 24 hour vwap: 500.029882506

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what's a crag cat? google spews forth prehistoric monsters

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this will be forever known as the war of the 500s,

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it will be lost

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or by the other side as "that desperate, harrowing last ditch effort"

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400 is coming

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volkssturm.

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asciilifeform cougars and cougarish types of housecats

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aha

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then 600

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:)

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ThickAsThieves is there a bitbet ?

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i dunno, i got enough riding

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if i recall, zoologists write that cougar behaves precisely how an enlarged housecat would

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well it's pretty well related.

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so anyone who dreams of being eaten by housecat, come to usa.

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lions and such are panthera, different type

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or canada!

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altho we call em something else

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and, afaik, all known experiments at cross-breeding felis have succeeded

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so house-cougar may exist.

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http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years

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This Guy's Eaten Nothing but Raw Meat for Five Years | VICE Canada

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there's def something going on in the chinese markets

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a repating pattern

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they recently intoduced futures and margin and stuff i think

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maybe taking noobs for a ride

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i dunno

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some US and Euro traders are moving to chinese exchanges too, but to me something stinks

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<nubbins`> http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years << he;s probably from around here.

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This Guy's Eaten Nothing but Raw Meat for Five Years | VICE Canada

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i tell you... the veal they got these people...

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heh

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did you get to the part where he eats rotting chunks of lamb yet?

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http://nakamotoinstitute.org/static/img/mempool/the-problem-with-altcoins/cargo-cult.jpg << pretty great pic

23:31

turns out jesus was a pilot who flew into a time warp

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man, vice is like reality tv. not great but you end up getting stuck

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http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/i-spent-an-afternoon-with-montreal-squeegee-punks-843

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I Spent an Afternoon with Montreal Squeegee Punks | VICE Canada

23:33

I asked Dirty Mark where he got the name from: “I dunno, probably because I’ve fucked a lot of bitches without condoms and I may shit my pants from time to time.”

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mircea_popescu that looks just about right. not too often a bizarre facet of human behavior looks exactly as one'd imagined.

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*

hanbot wonders if cargo cult was well explained to her or if she's merely getting more bizarre herself.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00063525 = 7.4324 BTC [+] {2}

23:43

re: cat & laser: experiment. turn on a laser pointer in a dark room; look at the edges of the spot. take picture of same with camera. notice difference.

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some of what you see 'fuzz' around the edges is actually diffraction patterns that form in your own eye.

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conceivably, cat (with a rather differently structured eye) sees rather different ones.

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i have one laser with changeable cutouts

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butterfly shape, etc

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also diffraction gratings. but the diffraction above happens in your own eye.

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