#trilema | 2014-04-18

Have any conference pre game festivities started?

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ThickAsThieves

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!up ThickAsThieves

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Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.

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;;gettrust ThickAsThieves assbot

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Some

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How do I know it's you <:-)

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I dont have auth ability on tablet

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I am ident w freenode tho

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security reasons?

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And my name is locked otherwise

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oooh how do you do that again?

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some nickserve thing?

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Yeah

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/msg nickserv help set

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You can get a cloak too

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what is MaidSafe? has anyone heard of this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg6276095#msg6276095

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Dunno but why get mixed up with mastercoin bs?

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heh, i'm messed up with counterparty bs

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Get out then

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Oooo this Mayor is ridiculous https://twitter.com/MayorPeoria/status/456968985628528641

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;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like the composer for the Heroes game music does some for Rift too

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The operation succeeded.

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ThickAsThieves: FWIW, metabyte has been booted as founder of #altcoin and now the founder is listed as freenode-staff.

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Heh

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Oh my gosh. Tweenagers to the rescue of that Dutch girl who tweeted a bomb threat to AA. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/14/dozens-of-teenagers-are-now-tweeting-bomb-jokes-to-american-airlines/

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]

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;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 495.83, Best ask: 496.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 495.83, 24 hour volume: 19187.47353827, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 500.488451876

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!up Shakespeare

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Voicing Shakespeare for 30 minutes.

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epicly snoozy in here tonight

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nooo i wanted to cuddle

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!up smidge

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!up bloctoc

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [-]

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;;gettrust assbot Jezzz

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9860 @ 0.00097227 = 9.5866 BTC [-] {3}

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http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/16/technology/security/canada-heartbleed/

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Canadians arrest a Heartbleed hacker - Apr. 16, 2014

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[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07680892 = 0.384 BTC [-] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.00593332 = 0.178 BTC [+] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1530 @ 0.00060939 = 0.9324 BTC [-] {8}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.0009776 = 10.9002 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.063 = 1.008 BTC [+]

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http://crypto-comics.com/comic28.png

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mildly funny

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1882 @ 0.00012909 = 0.2429 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012997 = 0.3899 BTC [+] {3}

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*

fluffypony stretches

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jurov: how goes it?

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fluffypony: ?

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i'm on the road, still 450km to timis

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(i'm not driving)

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jurov: ah nice - enjoy

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Namworld: so did you figure out why you got named-and-shamed in that SymStep thread?

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No idea.

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Wasn't there another loan thing on Bitfunder other than Ukyo? Who was it?

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Graet

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218324.0

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[BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily

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sup

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dammit scrollback.

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Eh. I have a loan still outstanding. I was repaying people for a good while after BTCT.co closed. I ran into issues tho, I'm not done repaying everyone.

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still, on a list of hipsterrific scams it seems an odd thing to mention

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so you are 'temporarily defaulted' ?

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if theres such thing

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Well people so far have accepted my explanation and were okay to wait a while.

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well, if someone is ok to assfuck him, that doesnt mean you didnt assfuck him

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just sayin.

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The terms where that loan was redeemable on demand, providing time for liquiding assets. The timespan is just getting unreasonable.

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Although otherwise I guess that yes, it's a default. I just don't know why he's naming me among so many scams who are more than just late. Or where he even learned I'm late on some payments.

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Actually nevermind, I guess since I'm not paying daily interest like on contract, that's a default.

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:D

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The lack of a platform to do that is kind of problematic.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2009 @ 0.00097201 = 1.9528 BTC [-]

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kakobrekla https://twitter.com/sheldonth/status/456997327501529089

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now look what you did.

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the what

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how is this my fault

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you're in bitcoin, right ?

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lol bitcoin dude. get some doge instead.

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the customer is always right bitch!

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:D

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tat will love this :D

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i have no comeback to that.

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weird

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ICMP traffic is working, TCP is working, but HTTP/HTTPS isn't working

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*

fluffypony shoots his ISP

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!up edlund10

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Voicing edlund10 for 30 minutes.

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thanks :)

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http works on alternate ports

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so it's my ISP's DSL proxy that's broken

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*

fluffypony sighs

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mircea_popescu: so when did you buy coinroll.it? :-P

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i have no idea.

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Mircea, I'm your fan :)

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keeping him cool in hot Romanian summers?

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:D

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edlund10 good for you

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no, I mostly admire his literary work so far

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I think he gained lots of popularity after the "How to interact with a fiat institution" article

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da fuck, that'll be the laugh of all time, if it turns out my real talent was literary.

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heh

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I await your first book with eager expectation

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lol

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signed copy plx

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http://trilema.com/i-wrote-a-book/

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I wrote a book… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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set your time machine to 2005

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yes, it's a pity i don't understand romanian so good :)

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it's in english.

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writing books ~in romanian~ struck even 2005 me as a little silly.

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oh, cool

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how can i get it

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you should republish it electronically through SmashWords

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why through smashwords ?

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edlund10 link to 1st chapter in that link, then chains of links to following chapters.

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mircea_popescu: because they do all the heavy lifting of getting it into the Kindle and iBooks stores etc.

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great

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do they pay out btc ?

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nein

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although it could be an interesting proposition to them

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especially for overseas authors

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meh, a few hundred bucks on yet another site account somewhere is at this point a net loss to me,

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i'd have to put someone on it and everyone's overworked.

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they don't charge

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they take comm on sales

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"We work on commission. We don't charge for our ebook publishing, conversion and distribution services, and we don't sell publishing packages. We earn our commission only if we sell your book, and our commission is only 15% or less of the net, which works out to 10% of the retail price when your book sells at our retailers. For example, a $10.00 ebook sold at one of our retail partners earns you $6.00 and earns Smashwords $1.00. The same

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book sold at Smashwords earns you about $8.00."

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yes but they also don't do it by themselves, it seems.

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so... i'd have to put someone on it.

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they do the distribution

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http://www.smashwords.com/distribution

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Smashwords – Distribution

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they also provide the ISBN if there isn't one already

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dude. looky here : at this point the situation is, some site somewhere provided you do some things may maybe sell your book. things such as i dunno... make an account.

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now, the upside i judge at what, a few hundred bucks. cause they're not gonna sell a million copies without advertising and marketing work.

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and the downside is i'd have to put "make acct with X site" on someone's workorder.

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I get your point

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aok.

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then sayso omg

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assbot: amazing point!

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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there :-P

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lol

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:D

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i wondered - have you thought about a website like betfair for bitcoins?

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i wouldn't be surpriosed if the above problem is actually most of the friction that site encounters, in its business

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otherwise it's a good idea.

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edlund10 yes but read http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/ first

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ok

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in other news, http://24.media.tumblr.com/533d12ef78db84c196c5f0f361a14a2a/tumblr_n2beoe1tDq1qdlh1io1_250.gif

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lol

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!up Skirmant

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Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.

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;;seen mike_c

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mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 5 hours, 54 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <mike_c> plus hard work is its own reward

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mwahaha

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!b 2

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Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1784737/plain/)

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....

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the stones buried under the earth have SPOKEN THROUGH THE MIKE!

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!up ArsKisS

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Voicing ArsKisS for 30 minutes.

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im 12 and what is this bitcointalk?

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mircea_popescu, wut happens

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nuttin much.

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+m for some reason?

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yeah, gotta be in assbot's l2 wot, id witrh gribble, pm assbot !up nao.

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ahaha no wai. you never got into the wot ?

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can you turn gribble spam off? it's annoying

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just my two cents

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what's it do ?!

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spam my query every time i log in

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"Hey beware scammers, blah blah"

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you mean assbot ?

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uh.

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i never get that wtf.

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:O

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ArsKisS: that's an -otc thing

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not an -assets thing

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and it has to be there because so many people join, get pm'd, and get scammed

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fluffypony, still it's annoying

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still happens on a nearly daily basis

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doesn't matter which channel it's on

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nanotube maybe add a counter and only tell people say... 500 times they shoulds pay attention ?

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tell nanotube then

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or w/e, 50000 times

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fluffypony, well, if they get scammed anyway, what does the spam help?

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if some of us are stupid it doesn't make things better to annoy the non-stupid ones

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lol ArsKisS, I'm not responsible for gribble, I was just explaining the rationale

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ArsKisS it probably alleviates the conscxience of the people running -otc ?

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fluffypony, i didn't say you are :P

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anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc

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and that place'd be all full of... annoying kindergarterisms. like... "remember to brush your teeth!"

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12:53.02 ( +mircea_popescu ) [11:49:40] anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc < all but -assets ?

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all butt ass! &ets

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kakobrekla it turns out, by the way, that the ~average~ open bitbet is 20 btc pool.

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the.average.

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!up thi

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Voicing thi for 30 minutes.

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!up ThickAsThieves

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Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.

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heyo

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;;calc 14246/800

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17.8075

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almost.

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ThickAsThieves quick impersonate TheRealThickAsThieves and say embarassing things

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i responded to you tweet for you

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kakobrekla that's historical.

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free customer service for coinroll

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;;calc 9223/14246

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0.647409799242

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eh

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;;calc 1753.6619918169 / 88

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19.9279771797

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;;calc 14246/9223

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1.54461671907

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fucking hell, btc went up 10x over this year, avg bet went up 10%

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terrible!

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ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/457093668428840960 << that you ?

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yessir

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o hey, cool

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where did you get 1750

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kakobrekla from this log.

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hm?

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i was dreaming that the vip guys were in a brawl in a field and i dove in to rumble then there was a tick in my glove and the hotel phone rang

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Mats_cd03 published it

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ah that.

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yes.

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o you gotta be kidding me

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anyway both results are near

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;;gettrust assbot Mats_cd03

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Mats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Mats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mats_cd03 | Rated since: never

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could be variation

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!up Mats_cd03

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Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

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or whatever.

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;;rate Mats_cd03 He does things with numbers.

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Error: 'He' is not a valid integer.

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;;rate Mats_cd03 1 He does things with numbers.

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Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

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Mats_cd03 srsly. wotify will youz.

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so if these idjits manage to bomb israel off the face of the map and then we rebuild wit with bitcoin

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do you guise think satoshi will return ?

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we can rebuild it. we have the technology.

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mircea_popescu: serious question or joke?

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it's never clear with me.

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ed zachery

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part of my literary skill.

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for that book you're writing?

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satoshi wont return til he wants to fuck shit up

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which might be never

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maybe just to screw with us he'll move some of those old coins around in like 2040

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the various return-of-satoshi mysticisms will be fun to watch in the coming yearsd

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shit, people still worrying on gox to return

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http://www.savegox.com/

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ThickAsThieves so is this scam weather piddling or notrly ?

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i like rain

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yeah so is it ?

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its not even raining really

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just a lil wet out there

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weird mossboy from the everglades.

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"he likes rain"

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i love it

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i also love watching the sea during a storm

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so what!

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lol

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but neither compares to arguing bitbet rules with you

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<3

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lol

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i like how this coinroll complainer doesnt even provide a tx

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ThickAsThieves would you stop being arrogant to other people's customers!

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dat slander.

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how can i be elitist without being arrogant?

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or mean?

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are you comming down tat ?

06:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00097564 = 13.3663 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2411 @ 0.00012999 = 0.3134 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0644995 = 0.129 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9007 @ 0.00097805 = 8.8093 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 47 @ 0.0645 = 3.0315 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18726 @ 0.00097496 = 18.2571 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1970 @ 0.00010031 = 0.1976 BTC [-] {7}

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mircea_popescu: what's mpex's stance/your thoughts on companies that raise funds in BTC, but then don't only accept payment in BTC (and thus possibly being profitable from a fiat perspective, but not entirely from a BTC perspective) ?

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50050002 = 2.002 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6500 @ 0.0001517 = 0.9861 BTC [+] {17}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 613 @ 0.0001865 = 0.1143 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4400 @ 0.00018918 = 0.8324 BTC [+] {6}

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welp

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/

07:47

The full picture of former Neo & Bee employees : Bitcoin

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" that we in fact lost 2480 bitcoins in Mt. Gox" >> wow.. what wow

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I'll hazard that he has a lot more on his person, but let's see

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [+]

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scammers always do

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i'm curious if the above neobeeq buyer is dyslexic..

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or maybe someone cursed with reallly bad timing

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lol

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the timing does seem to be interesting

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maybe they live in hope

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:/

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in this space if you don't keep your own money there is no hope

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I never understood the need to IPO on multiple exchanges

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more potential "liquidity" to drain from

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Apocalyptic: yeah, but that just screams scammy

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [+]

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bounce

"The goal of this IPO is to IPO on as many exchanges as possible."

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heh

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bounce

really should start another company. walkaway coins, financial hiking services.

08:27

bounce, what's the area you're servicing ?

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i do love me some hiking

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bounce

the valleys and the hills of the land of bitcoin. but maybe there's room for an ipo or two on some fiat exchanges.

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]

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mtgox is a nice hill

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [+]

08:31

too bad it's closed for bad weather

08:45

"Danny Brewster was GOX'ED. His creditors and employees were BEE'ED. If YOU don't want to be LOCAL'ED, CBASE'D or BITSTAMP'ED please, please, please with sugar on top, check out the new Armory cold storage wallet"

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lol

08:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0523 = 0.2615 BTC [-]

08:49

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.00594282 = 0.1783 BTC [+] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.0001686 = 0.1686 BTC [-] {2}

08:54

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1667 @ 0.0001605 = 0.2676 BTC [-]

09:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2333 @ 0.00015995 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]

09:13

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 667 @ 0.00015969 = 0.1065 BTC [-]

09:19

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.491 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [+]

09:36

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00015061 = 0.1506 BTC [+]

09:39

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00014969 = 0.1497 BTC [-]

09:47

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013116 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {6}

09:53

numerisTrade

hey all

09:57

Hey der mate

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10:52

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3075 @ 0.00013093 = 0.4026 BTC [+] {5}

10:54

.

10:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00097275 = 1.8482 BTC [-]

11:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02799999 = 0.112 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06475005 = 0.259 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02716019 = 0.4074 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02665335 = 0.3998 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06300005 = 2.016 BTC [-] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013256 = 0.1326 BTC [-] {2}

11:16

So much action in the chat today

11:18

Why internet chat if you're in a bar chatting in person?

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Well it's 10am where I am and I'm at work. Need some stimulation

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Also, sometimes the crowd at the bar is trash

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05315 = 0.1063 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02804974 = 0.2244 BTC [+] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00056684 = 0.8503 BTC [-] {6}

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05345 = 0.1604 BTC [+] {2}

11:39

TestingUnoDosTre: It is to this that I refer: http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/

11:39

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2315 @ 0.00013792 = 0.3193 BTC [+] {3}

11:39

Ahhh didn't see you were there

11:39

Knew it was going on

11:40

What's your enterprise artifexd?

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I'm not there. I'm at work.

11:41

I'd like to be there. My wife tells me that I shall go next year.

11:41

artifexd: so say we all

11:43

As for my enterprise, I endeavor to turn desires into running code.

11:43

You? What do you do?

11:44

;;gettrust ericmuyser

11:44

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user artifexd to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=artifexd&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul 1 01:35:49 2013

11:44

;;gettrust assbot ericmuyser

11:44

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul 1 01:35:49 2013

11:44

!up ericmuyser

11:44

Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.

11:46

Hi all, we arrived in hotel, where's everyone?

11:46

mircea_popescu

11:46

Afk at a bar I guess :)

11:46

actually he's been idle for 5 hours

11:46

ThickAsThieves: you around?

11:47

!up sheldonthomas

11:47

Voicing sheldonthomas for 30 minutes.

11:47

ah crap

11:47

lol

11:47

Well, if he comes back...

11:47

yeah

11:47

I hope he does

11:49

I have found the phone number I used last year :)

11:52

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00012879 = 0.1288 BTC [-] {3}

11:53

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348 = 0.2139 BTC [+]

11:59

I install cnc machines. Have a bachelor is mechanical engr

12:00

in*

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.03408630 BTC to 8`421 shares, 36030 satoshi per share

12:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0509875 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}

12:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 47.39894586 BTC to 8`421 shares, 562866 satoshi per share

12:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.04806276 = 0.8171 BTC [-] {4}

12:03

!up sheldonthomas

12:03

Voice for sheldonthomas extended to 30 minutes.

12:03

Hello sheldonthomas

12:04

hi sheldonthomas

12:04

how can we be of excellent service

12:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02922221 = 0.263 BTC [+] {5}

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

12:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

12:10

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04370199 = 0.437 BTC [-] {5}

12:14

;;ticker --market all

12:14

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 485.0, vol: 13236.39024268 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 468.168, vol: 9579.87188 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.0, vol: 11093.98497028 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 498.75, vol: 132.08974986 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 477.7611, vol: 4106.69150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 483.51723, vol: 32.45623623 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 497.078286477, vol: 89.92950233 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

12:14

;;more

12:14

average: 479.50477584

12:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00097099 = 10.778 BTC [-] {2}

12:20

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 800 @ 0.00017291 = 0.1383 BTC [-]

12:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02825002 = 0.2825 BTC [-] {6}

12:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049999 BTC [+]

12:24

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.01019666 = 0.1122 BTC [+] {2}

12:26

!up chmod755

12:26

Voicing chmod755 for 30 minutes.

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0649999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}

12:28

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 412 @ 0.00069864 = 0.2878 BTC [+] {3}

12:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}

12:28

so on the back of this Neo&Bee scam

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 369 @ 0.00069866 = 0.2578 BTC [+]

12:29

someone http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/cgvnixi?context=1

12:29

suggested that future IPOs could use a multi-sig wallet for funds raised

12:29

chmod755

BingoBoingo, Thank you

12:29

chmod755: You're welcome

12:29

and have a small supervisory board elected among the shareholders

12:30

;;gettrust assbot chmod755

12:30

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chmod755: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chmod755 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chmod755 | Rated since: Tue Jan 11 18:32:01 2011

12:30

who will control the keys to that wallet (along with the CEO/CFO/chief bigwig/whatever)

12:30

So what are your thoughts

12:31

I'd be so much richer if I had found this channel a year ago....

12:31

Not from investing in things I found here, but from not losing money from investing in things not found here.

12:31

Ugh

12:31

fluffypony: The solution is more along the lines of, if the woodchipper eats your right arm, don't offer it your left.

12:31

well, it wouldn't make spending too difficult (maybe make it a 3 of N multisig, for eg., or even less - 2 of N), but to make scamming more difficult and thus require not only the manipulation of the market but also the manipulation of the (more competent) investor pool

12:32

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chronicleonline/obituary.aspx?n=david-w-cummings&pid=170658931

12:32

David W. Cummings Obituary: View David Cummings's Obituary by Citrus County Chronicle

12:33

"Pervert Dave"

12:33

BingoBoingo: there are always going to be *new* people with arms to stick in woodchippers

12:33

and there's always going to be another ProtoShares or BitcoinBourse or whatever

12:34

fluffypony: Well you put out signs like "Here be Woodchipper"

12:34

yes

12:34

or "must be this high to stick arm in woodchipper"

12:34

and by high I'm not referring to stature

12:35

Hahaha

12:35

I think it's an interesting proposition

12:36

Why wouldn't you just raise the funds by smaller batches

12:36

I would think that Bitcoin needs to integrate a WoT mechanism endemic to private keys

12:36

Give people a projected spending and revenue for the quarter

12:36

TestingUnoDosTre: nobody does tranches, and when they do they generally do it badly

12:36

so if you want to send an address, a trust rating can be attached to said address to verify authenticity/legitimacy if the user desires such

12:37

you know what'd solve such large IPO issues? Due dilligance

12:37

10 bitcoins says Havelock never met the owner/operators of NeoBee IRL

12:37

mrstickball: with Neo&Bee there was due diligence from ThickAsThieves among others

12:38

did TAT meet with them in person?

12:38

afaik he went to Cyprus

12:38

ah

12:38

interesting

12:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4152 @ 0.00097275 = 4.0389 BTC [+]

12:43

Well, not all dilligence is actual dilligence

12:44

yes

12:44

and if you have a charming enough frontman you can be convinced of many things

12:47

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0291675 = 0.175 BTC [-] {4}

12:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097881 = 16.7377 BTC [+] {2}

12:56

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cp8h/my_take_on_what_happened_with_neo_bee_after/

13:06

fluffypony: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/scam-openrigs-com.267678/

13:07

BingoBoingo: already replied

13:07

apparently I'm a support channel

13:07

Well, what's the whole story it is hard to find the original threads

13:07

oh

13:08

when we launched we had a shipping option called surface mail

13:08

which is basically over the sea

13:08

but it's not by ship directly to the destination port

13:08

it goes through the normal routing, but by ship, so it's extremely slow

13:08

2-3 months

13:08

of course, because it's the cheapest, like 70% of the people went for it

13:08

So... Somali Pirates ate the rigs?

13:08

and we shipped their order

13:09

no, they all arrived, we haven't had a lost shipment yet

13:09

but they do take ~10 weeks to the US

13:09

and there's literally nothing you can do in the interim

13:09

...

13:09

so

13:10

a lot of people complained, and we removed the shipping option

13:10

because it's unpredictable as well

13:10

5 weeks to the UK

13:10

then suddenly 10 weeks

13:11

all the guys with large orders (>$500) are chilled, because they read the timelines during checkout, they understood how long it could take

13:11

it's the guy with an $80 order that complains the loudest

13:12

even when people confirm the timeline: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-openrigs-com-aluminium-frames-for-mining-rigs.262873/page-15#post-5692124

13:12

you still have idiots that insist it's impossible

13:12

and that they can ship stuff from China for 1/10th of the price and 80x the weight and it arrives in 2 days

13:13

Well, China is good at exporting.

13:13

*

fluffypony nods

13:13

their postal service pricing is better than ours

13:13

at any rate

13:13

that's why we've now got a US and an EU distributor

13:14

saves all that hassle

13:14

and people can get it in 3 days instead of 3 months

13:15

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06695 = 0.1339 BTC [+]

13:16

Still, how was this idea born? Manufactering and shipping from South Africa... A country that just really isn't so good at shipping.

13:17

to be fair, our post office's EMS shipments have been amazing and reasonably priced (they charge on actual weight, not volumetric, and deliveries have been 5-9 days worldwide)

13:17

AMAZING COMPANY!

13:17

*

fluffypony hugs assbot

13:17

manufacturing here is dirt cheap

13:17

not as cheap as China

13:17

"The C.E.O. has to be the virus," Mr. Huang said. "To build a great company, you have to kill it a bit every day."

13:17

but I didn't really have the urge to fly to China and setup a QC/manufacturing structure for a product that I didn't know would sell well

13:19

Bingo Boingo why the drinking recrod take so long to load today?

13:19

BingoBoingo ** ^^^

13:20

thestringpuller: Do you have a time for when that happened? I don't know and dream host doesn't know. I need times when it slows down.

13:22

about 10 minutes ago the request was about 20 seconds

13:22

maybe 15

13:22

could be from my end tho...

13:22

working fine now

13:23

thestringpuller: No, these are an everybody thing it seems. I'll file another ticket.

13:23

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/234qlc/sorry_phinnaeus_gage_you_are_banned_from_using/

13:23

Sorry Phinnaeus Gage, you are banned from using this forum Trolling : Bitcoin

13:24

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7420 @ 0.00013004 = 0.9649 BTC [-] {4}

13:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.066971 = 0.8706 BTC [+]

13:24

BingoBoingo: they place bets for submitters on bitbet? this is news to me

13:24

must go look at my bets

13:24

thestringpuller: They do indeed.

13:25

well wow I might have not given an address

13:26

bitcoinassets is empty cause all the smart people are in romanias

13:27

doing illuminati shit

13:27

Yeah, but the good kind of illuminati shit

13:28

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

13:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02989993 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {3}

13:30

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4200 @ 0.00010213 = 0.4289 BTC [-] {8}

13:30

Hahaha

13:30

How is neobee still trading?

13:31

TestingUnoDosTre: rats + sinking ship

13:31

TestingUnoDosTre: Because Havelock is part of the problem

13:31

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/answers-questions-about-military-law-enforcement-and-intelligence-agency-chatbots

13:31

Answers and Questions About Military, Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agency Chatbots | Electronic

13:31

Which of you fuckers are bots.

13:32

;;google site:bitbet.us and then there was one

13:32

BitBet - And Then There Was One: <http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/>; BitBet: <http://bitbet.us/?ref=16UBio12EWjif3aSk1f1tohxokbjGTAhAf>; BitBet: <http://bitbet.us/?ref=1DV1uHYMJxC6m7Yewn9YhtN3BKDRJYoC8Q>

13:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.045 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3}

13:32

soon enough

13:32

BingoBoingo: well, I didn't want to say it, but....

13:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02999999 = 0.21 BTC [+]

13:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.045 = 0.315 BTC [+]

13:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.067 = 0.402 BTC [+]

13:33

OMG fluffypony's wife is a photoshop!!!

13:33

no no no...she's lovingly rendered

13:35

Autodesk?

13:36

SketchUp

13:36

I'm not an advanced enough AI to use an Autodesk product

13:37

heh, I bet on that one

13:42

what is this sheldonthomas doing

13:44

http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wcd.jpeg

13:44

that's insane

13:44

http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html - apparently it's a thing

13:44

ELM - Extreme Wiring on the Prototyping Board

~ 16 minutes ~

14:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0049105 = 0.2308 BTC [-] {2}

14:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56022 @ 0.00097929 = 54.8618 BTC [+] {2}

14:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00098147 = 5.2018 BTC [+] {2}

14:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04400006 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2}

14:23

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06691739 = 1.5391 BTC [-] {2}

14:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.06705 = 5.0288 BTC [+]

14:27

BingoBongo can we get someone to flood Sgt STAR with questions so he becomes laggy?

14:29

as per recommendations from users in this channel, I have sold my XCP; still got a lot to learn..

14:31

Xcp is mastercoin?

14:33

counterparty

14:36

that's that thing that allows you to "invest" in anonymous "companies" that don't need to demonstrate they have any ability to earn money, right?

14:36

pretty much

14:37

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5700 @ 0.00010207 = 0.5818 BTC [-] {7}

14:37

Never heard of it. Gotta keep up on my scamcoin news

14:38

danielpbarron: don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a decentralised exchange, but the idea of just about anyone anonymously running an unregistered, unregulated company just seems to be asking for trouble

14:38

fluffypony: yeah, I really like the idea too, and I think it could work fine for really small scale trivial stuff

14:42

the problem is that until you have full compliance with governments (just like with exchanges), the government can come in and can anyone for any reason

14:42

and given the number of securities that are both unregistered AND scams... is a problem

14:44

mrstickball: agreed

14:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00098196 = 3.0441 BTC [+]

14:45

TestingUnoDosTre: I don't really see the point in that

14:49

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06709998 = 0.3355 BTC [+] {2}

14:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00098217 = 9.8708 BTC [+] {3}

14:52

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]

15:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 54.99062536 BTC to 80`674 shares, 68164 satoshi per share

15:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]

15:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]

15:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

15:07

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01019667 = 0.102 BTC [+]

15:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10424 @ 0.00097947 = 10.21 BTC [-] {2}

15:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]

15:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00097823 = 27.7817 BTC [-] {3}

15:17

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 349 @ 0.14 = 48.86 BTC

15:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04400006 = 0.176 BTC [-]

15:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]

15:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0671 = 0.3355 BTC [+]

15:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04499882 = 0.135 BTC [+]

15:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0671 = 0.8052 BTC [+] {3}

15:45

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 384 @ 0.14 = 53.76 BTC

15:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.0009833 = 11.6521 BTC [+]

15:55

http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/18/pitching-prognostication-tanaka/

15:55

Pitching Prognostication: Tanaka | Bingo Blog

15:56

BingoBoingo: plz explain like I'm not a baseball person?

15:57

fluffypony: I did half of that already, the rest is between you and a reference work on the subject.

15:58

fine

15:58

make me do actual work on a Friday night

15:59

Still friday afternoon here. Have yet to go to the liquor store.

15:59

BingoBoingo: you a baseball fan?

15:59

I LOVE BASEBALL

15:59

thestringpuller: Yeah

15:59

friday morning here. bright and early

15:59

I usually get

15:59

season tickets to the braves

15:59

thestringpuller: Best sport for casual drinking while watching.

15:59

or a half season pack

15:59

Nice.

16:00

Yea man!

16:00

i love to drink at baseball

16:00

high as shit

16:00

Braves always have a solid team.

16:00

yea but they have trouble with dem playoffs

16:00

I saw the giants once in SF last year. but that was it.

16:00

i saw roger waters the wall at the same stadium. that was fucking insane

16:00

thestringpuller: You had the 90's though

16:00

*

fluffypony saw a handful of Cards games

16:00

Nice cgcardona_

16:01

fluffypony: At Busch II or Busch III

16:01

Twins suck so bad you can get tickets for like 15 dollars

16:01

i wasn't even in atlanta in the 90's

16:01

The beers cost about as much as the tickets

16:01

smuggle your own beer in!

16:01

that's for sure. geez

16:02

i take a vape pen in now. WIN

16:02

its so common in SF that you can just get away with it and noone says anything

16:02

BingoBoingo: I don't know - it was in May 2010?

16:03

fluffypony: That'd be Busch III, first season there was in 2006

16:03

cool

16:04

edibles are just as good

16:04

eat a cheba chew while tailgating

16:04

oh god

16:04

why can't it be may yet

16:04

it was fun, and I enjoyed the food/booze there significantly more than like 95% of the restaurants/takeout places I was hauled off to in St. Louis

16:04

different time frame w/ edibles. They are just as good but you gotta wait half an hour or so. Sneaking a quick vaper is always the way to go. (if that's your thing of course)

16:10

Half an hour minimum

16:11

I ate some taffy and it really started kicking in after a couple hours. Guess it absorbs better after you eat a fatty meal

16:15

yep.

16:28

http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/ishmael/

16:28

Ishmael | When Bitcoin Met Pete

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00283203 = 0.2832 BTC [+] {8}

16:29

bitcoinpete: is this one also long?

16:29

maybe the longest yet

16:29

it's 10:30 and I'm 3/4 of a bottle of wine down, so not sure if I'll appreciate an article that consists of more than 4 paragraphs

16:29

but I'll give it a spin

16:32

bitcoinpete: "Bitcoiners’ sotyr"

16:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3342 @ 0.00010001 = 0.3342 BTC [-] {2}

16:34

myeah, it's basically s/takers/fiaters, s/leavers/bitcoiners

16:39

Ishmael sure does a lot of frowning

16:39

but he seems like a nice bloke

16:41

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0671 = 0.4026 BTC [+]

16:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]

16:45

fluffypony: he is a nice bloke. he's also a giant ape lol

16:45

bitcoinpete: I have friends who are giant apes, so that's ok then :)

16:47

http://ansonchi.webng.com/ishmael_by_daniel_quinn.pdf

16:47

channel needs more lulz

16:48

thestringpuller: I regularly provide lulz at market rates

16:49

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/internet/southpark/

16:49

Project Free TV :: Southpark

16:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0671 = 0.4026 BTC [+]

16:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0671 = 0.5368 BTC [+]

16:57

http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ <- I'm glad he added the disclaimer at the beginning because i did not, in fact, understand it.

16:57

Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it defends itself. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mi

16:57

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.00674514 = 0.6745 BTC [-] {11}

16:57

artifexd: think reddit in the wot

16:58

;;later tell mircea_popescu if tatiana is available for the third conference, you can judge her for yourself ;)

16:58

The operation succeeded.

16:58

I got the whole "If too much of the wot acts in unison, it largely defeats the point of a wot" part. It was the last part about only witnessing half the herp derping that lost me.

16:59

What does "herps derps legit things" mean?

17:00

well the example of the teacher an non paying attention students

17:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00101 = 8.484 BTC [+]

17:02

And....

17:05

that's pretty much it

17:05

the WoT could be infiltrated by script kiddies who all rate each other and work in tandem like group think of reddit

17:06

so the minorirty becomes the actual trustworthy people such as mircea_popescu or kako

17:06

What does "herps derps legit things" mean?

17:08

they fuck up a legit thing

17:09

So actors A and B were good, trustworthy people until they fucked up. But actor C only sees one of them fuck up. <- Am I tracking so far?

17:10

yea

17:10

Then kakobrekla says "How does that help?" How does that help what and in what way?

17:11

I think you could have independent audits of the WoT to verify legitimacy

17:11

...

17:11

its not hard to use a script to defeat automated Reddit WOT bots, too

17:12

that's not what he's talking about

17:12

you mentioned script kiddies using bots to upvote/ect

17:12

Well it wouldn't be just script kiddies and bots. If mircea_popescu were to rate someone as something and then everyone else in here were to rate that same person as that same thing, it would have the same effect.

17:12

yes in tandem, but the problem is the n nodes ignore the script kiddies

17:12

at random points

17:13

so then is it a matter of macroscopic vs. microscopic views of the WoT as it relates to a single entity within the WoT?

17:15

suppose I herp derp someone, n(1) sees it but n(2) does not

17:15

that's where the problem arises

17:16

because n(1) and n(2) don't group think

17:16

yes

17:17

How is that a problem? n(1) could rate you appropriately. n(2) could not.

17:17

so if n(2) had a macroscopic view they would see the rating given by n(1) ?

17:18

n(2) would probably look at all the ratings given to thestringpuller and make his own jugement.

17:18

one would hope so

17:19

And in doing so, group think should be visible.

17:19

thus the issue only arises when n(2) maintains a microscopic view and disregards the WoT in favour of observed or hearsay indications of "trust"

17:19

Take a look at http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=aethero&sign=ANY&type=RECV

17:20

There are multiple ratings that exist only to move aethero's rating in a specific direction.

17:20

artifexd: no not at all. that would be groupthink. n(2) did not see what n(1) did so to rate me is to group think

17:20

right, so sort by rating, talk to those with the most positive and most negative stories

17:20

take with a pinch of salt and make up our own mind

17:20

If n(2) were to rate you based soley on n(1)'s rating, yeah, that'd be groupthink.

17:21

I had assumed in your example that n(2) didn't rate you at all for that specific scenario.

17:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0672 = 0.4032 BTC [+] {2}

17:23

so?

17:25

Groupthink is the problem, right? At least as far as it is not immediately visible as such.

17:25

sleep time, cheers

17:26

yup

17:26

and remember kids, no brain, no tumor.

17:27

kakobrekla: Is that article from #bitcoin-assets logs or a summary of a verbal discussion.

17:27

It feels like much is missing.

17:27

its from pms

17:28

but theres nothing missing really.

17:28

Can you explain what sx and sy are?

17:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04499999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2}

17:29

sybil entities

17:29

The phrase "ignoring what I suspect to be sx" throws me.

17:29

artifexd: have you looked at the wiki article yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

17:30

I have not. A sybil attack is something that I thought I understood.

17:30

just apply it to WoT and you'll understand the convo

17:32

OH! When he says sx and sy, he is referring to nodes, but more specifically, they are malicious nodes.

17:32

So "suspect to be sx" means "suspect to be a malicious node".

17:32

right

17:32

With that in mind, re-reading...

17:33

ima gonna get a shower.

17:36

i hope there is a hot chick in that shower with you kakobrekla

17:37

<kakobrekla> Ok, lets assume a simple case, with s1 and s2 which are both legit. <- If we go with s and n as malicious/legit modifiers, how can s1 and s2 be legit?

17:38

<kakobrekla> So now each of them herps derps legit things. You see half of it. <- That now reads as they both make legitimate ratings but "you" only pays attention to one of the ratings.

17:40

mircea_popescu is saying that if I were to see both ratings I would have a view of what happened such that I wouldn't need to ask anything about it, but, if I ignored one of the ratings, I would have a different view of what happened such that I would need to investigate more and thus possibly expose a falsified event?

17:43

reeds moar game theory

17:43

Apparently I must\

17:46

should be "n1 and n2 which are both legit"

17:46

the convo was edited.

17:46

(condensed a bit)

17:47

and "herps derps legit things" meaning talking about legit things which the author assumes is not legit, thats why the herp and derp

17:49

ah

17:50

theres a slight possibility

17:50

well

17:50

nevermind.

17:50

I thought it meant rates something legit as if it were illegitimate

17:51

well, gotta leave something for people to wonder about in the following centuries

17:53

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013494 = 0.6747 BTC [-] {5}

18:00

*

thestringpuller toasts to the bitcoin illuminati.

18:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50315 = 2.0126 BTC [-] {2}

18:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8506 @ 0.0010072 = 8.5672 BTC [-]

18:06

kakobrekla: It would be awesome if logs.bitcoin-assets.com could indicate if the person making a statement was authed with nickserv and/or ident with gribble at the time he/she made the statement. Like color coding the log entry or something.

18:07

not a bad idea

18:08

but you can /nick kakobrekla

18:08

so freenode does that for you

18:08

artifexd: I believe it does.. you can't get voice without being authed i think

18:14

authed with gribble, not necessarily with nickserv

18:14

or someone can !up you

18:15

but we were already discussing this earlier, nickserv suck. perhaps especially on freenode

18:16

not sure what the policies are on other networks

18:23

Hi. I'm not really benkay

18:23

Yeah. gribble > nickserv

18:24

;;ident

18:24

Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None

18:24

;;ident

18:24

CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None

18:24

!up vcorem

18:24

Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.

18:25

^ that's awesome

18:26

mircea_popescu: so if you had questions to Spondoolies-Tech, vcorem is the guy

18:26

what is spondoolies tech

18:26

vcorem

http://myminer.io

18:26

Spondoolies Tech Plug&Mine

18:26

vcorem

ASIC Company

18:26

o my.

18:27

vcorem

http://spminer.io

18:27

Spondoolies-Tech

18:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4637 @ 0.00099458 = 4.6119 BTC [-]

~ 27 minutes ~

18:55

well

18:55

you did manage to get the attention of bfl shills

18:56

so thats a point.

18:59

this goes beyond lol

18:59

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6283131#msg6283131

18:59

Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

19:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00098854 = 0.1977 BTC [-]

19:06

eauth phf

19:06

;;eauth phf

19:06

Request successful for user phf, hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/5356DE4752432A9E

19:07

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:886e192d04d17462894e8f6563810b03fbf539ffee7e1bbfa7b9de4f

19:07

Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.

19:08

ooh

19:15

Cognitive Rises

19:15

like batman

19:18

thats it for tonite. later

19:21

Oh my. Spicy beer, this is outrageous

19:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00098939 = 21.3214 BTC [+]

~ 24 minutes ~

19:49

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1349 @ 0.00070218 = 0.9472 BTC [+] {3}

19:50

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1002 @ 0.00074697 = 0.7485 BTC [+] {3}

19:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999998 BTC [+]

19:51

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 484 @ 0.00081221 = 0.3931 BTC [+] {2}

19:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14082 @ 0.00098843 = 13.9191 BTC [-] {2}

~ 30 minutes ~

20:23

dignork a cool.

20:24

!up vcorem

20:24

Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.

20:24

o hi

20:24

ur late

20:25

sorry mp, he is in IL, it's 3am there

20:25

how is it 3am there if its 3am here

20:26

kakobrekla: IL as in Israel, UTC +2 or so

20:26

a

20:26

you mean chicago

20:27

artifexd a major point perhaps not so specifically stated in the article is that an actually working wot has two parts, the wot (ie, graph of relations) and the channel (ie, graph of conversations). they support each other, and the "real" wot is their juncture, in a sense.

20:27

i thought he ment illanois?

20:28

kakobrekla weren't you supposed to be in bed ? :D

20:28

i am!

20:28

aok.

20:28

dignork no big deal, it's 3 am here too :D

20:29

just like you know like you p ointed out earlier

20:29

sitting by pc is like a caffeine injection

20:29

kakobrekla dude could you believe that chick's dress ?

20:29

which ??

20:29

if the forum ever finds out what she's been doing with her salary...

20:30

pr's dress?

20:30

im not following this

20:30

yeah.

20:30

well it seemed normal to me?

20:31

dunno, i dont go out much.

20:31

lol kako is a turk. sits in bed all day and smokes.

20:31

lel

20:31

i guess its not too far off.

20:32

but i dont smoke in bed anymore.

20:32

how come ?

20:33

well i guess i try to give the lungs a bit of rest each night so the bedroom is smokeless.

20:33

mircea_popescu: It was the conversations part that led me to my suggestion about adding ident information to log.bitcoin-assets.com. If you and I are talking right now, I can ensure that you are who I think you are (wot-wise). But if I'm researching you and I find some stuff that your nick said in the log. I don't know if it was you or someone with your

20:33

nick. This, of course, assumes trust of the person maintaining the logs.

20:34

but since im voiced... i'm authed.

20:34

you see teh beauty of this.

20:34

But are you authed as mircea_popescu or someone else?

20:34

For example...

20:34

who would i be authed as ?

20:34

Hi

20:35

yeah, enforce password for nickserv

20:35

Assuming auth == nick

20:35

thats the only solution

20:35

whoa i thought assbot kicked voice on /nick

20:35

but yes, otherwise, you get kicked in 30 seconds by nickserv anyway

20:35

no it will follow the name change.

20:35

Imma test that

20:35

go ahead

20:35

poor benkay

20:35

I got a warning from nickserv saying it will kick me.

20:35

i mean the real one

20:36

But...

20:36

Almost...

20:36

you gonna be guest

20:36

Guest46913

Hi

20:36

there

20:36

i can't believe nobody reg'd derpy.

20:37

anyway, problem with colors is we'd rapidly run out of colors.

20:37

kako is not a koloring book.

20:37

i think _i_ cant /nick because im the owner

20:38

so basically cognitive is the name of a zombie

20:38

it goes braaaainnnzzz

20:38

Colors was just a possible implementation. The real point was to have the gribble auth status in the logs.

20:39

Since nick changes don't show up in the log (do they?) later on, it could look like benkay was actually in here.

20:39

".6 for the shares I bought at .6 or higher. I have all the other shares, some were bought at .1 or so. I got 80% back and saved me a few years of courts and whatever (and he saved 20 years in jail). " this crap makes exactly 0 sense.

20:39

Just for a short period of time. :)

20:39

artifexd yeah, and if you keep doing this sort of shit you won't have voice anymore and problem solved.

20:40

you don't need technology to solve all edge cases. you just need it to give peoplez teh tools to do it themselves.

20:40

Am I currently misbehaving?

20:40

i thought we were discussing a hypothetical

20:41

I wanted to clarify whether I was being chastised.

20:41

you were like, o, someone could derp in here. and i was like, yeah, but they need voice. so you were like, well, maybe they have it.

20:41

and i was like... not for long.

20:42

so your hypotethical dood going around nicking as other people to fuck up the logs paternity was being chastised.

20:43

"set enforce on" becomes even more important.

20:43

03:39.19 ( +mircea_popescu ) ".6 for the shares I bought at .6 or higher. I have all the other shares, some were bought at .1 or so. I got 80% back and saved me a few years of courts and whatever (and he saved 20 years in jail). " this crap makes exactly 0 sense. < it doesnt need to make sense, goat is an idiot but garr is bigger one. it is possible he bluff pressed it.

20:43

kakobrekla but... he got repaid 0.6 for the shares he bought over .6 but he kept the others, bought at .1 ?

20:43

so... he sitll has shares ?

20:43

wtf.

20:44

he is putting himself in a bad position

20:44

the only reason he would fake it to save his rep

20:44

which

20:44

he is also destroying

20:44

at same time

20:44

so it makes any sense

20:44

well, at least not in any sort of sane way

20:45

but yeah, i can see him reasoning that keeping the cheap shares is a good idea

20:46

what if there's going to be a scam report next from garr that goat sold him THE CHEAP SHAREs

20:46

and kept the other ones

20:46

contrary to the agreement

20:46

it makes no difference really since all shares are equal

20:47

point is how many you hold and what is the btc offset

20:48

you don't understand. it's best to have bigger shares of number.

20:50

ahh i had too much fun today.

20:50

on my 3rd celebratory night cpa.

20:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-]

20:53

it was fun.

20:55

it'll get more fun every year as long as we live to see it

20:55

there must be upper bound of fun

20:55

otherwise funflation.

20:56

i think the fun needs to be divided equally and shared with everyone equally, regardless of contribution...

20:56

;;later tell jborkl the only thing asics are good for is that it's no longer perfectly feasible for an actor with a fab to take over the chain. it's not something wanted, but moreover something that couldn't be avoided.

20:56

The operation succeeded.

20:56

thestringpuller im willing to share it with teh girls!

20:59

lmao at OpenFFL. "oh, it

20:59

s open source so the code is reviewed"

20:59

mircea_popescu: i'm not authed but voiced

20:59

;;ident

21:00

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

21:00

except one of the most critical pieces of security infrastructure was NOT reviewed

21:00

ohter way around

21:00

i'm voiced but not authed

21:00

wait

21:00

what...

21:00

thestringpuller you're not drunk but you're drinking ?

21:00

I'm too drunk for this.

21:04

can we start calling it MP-Con?

21:05

"Pros -Everyone at Clinkle is a genius of high caliber"

21:05

the place where everyone's a genius. unsurprisingly, somewhere in california.

21:13

;;later tell bitcoinpete so i just tried to put a comment in, but "forbidden please enable javascript". as if.

21:13

The operation succeeded.

21:14

;;later tell bitcoinpete anyway, i was saying that teh yurpeans also had the sort of war-as-a-sporting-event thing, before the french "republic" invented socialism. they worked just fine for evereyone (yes, including those least qualified to form an opinion on the matter).

21:14

The operation succeeded.

21:14

JavaScript, the,most powerful tool on the internet after <blink>

21:14

and <derp>

21:15

Deep started it all

21:15

Derppppp

21:16

Had this beer today that was brewed with the hottest peppers in the world. Slightly afraid I'm going to piss fire tonight.

21:17

Will report back with results. </derp>

21:23

so pee on a fire hidrant.

21:23

anywya, that's all for me. laters!

21:38

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0660053 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2}

21:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30437 @ 0.0009882 = 30.0778 BTC [-]

~ 27 minutes ~

22:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02993279 = 0.6585 BTC [-] {7}

22:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.04400122 = 0.88 BTC [-] {6}

22:07

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0670888 = 0.3354 BTC [+] {3}

~ 24 minutes ~

22:31

;;ident

22:31

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

22:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]

~ 17 minutes ~

22:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0671 = 0.2684 BTC [+]

22:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52 = 2.6 BTC [+]

22:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52205833 BTC [+]

22:59

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1149 @ 0.00070185 = 0.8064 BTC [-] {5}

23:00

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 851 @ 0.00069971 = 0.5955 BTC [-] {5}

~ 17 minutes ~

23:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3609 @ 0.0009882 = 3.5664 BTC [-]

23:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 59 @ 0.50667795 = 29.894 BTC [-] {5}

23:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0672 = 0.4704 BTC [+]

23:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+]

~ 20 minutes ~

23:52

Whatup mang

23:54

Mpex trading pretty high

23:54

;;depth MPOE

23:54

Error: "depth" is not a valid command.

23:58

;;ticker

23:58