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00:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11829 @ 0.00095299 = 11.2729 BTC [-]
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00:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00095299 = 6.9568 BTC [-]
00:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}
00:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50699999 BTC [+]
00:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52797797 BTC [+]
00:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02854669 = 0.2855 BTC [-] {6}
00:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.053459 = 0.2673 BTC [+]
01:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.028 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3}
01:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.053459 = 0.1604 BTC [+]
01:00	BingoBoingo	Trolling IRL: Expert Mode
01:00	BingoBoingo	http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/16/statement-from-edson-family/1Eui4H6OIvy6Xc6F7gKNNK/story.html
01:00	ozbot	Statement from the Edson family - Metro - The Boston Globe
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01:24	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: what did Kevin do?
01:24	BingoBoingo	;;google boston anniversary backpack detonation
01:24	gribble	Two backpacks detonated by police at Boston Marathon finish line ...: <http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-marathon-finish-line-evacuated-masked-man-dumps-backpack-reports-article-1.1757577>; Man arrested after dropping backpack at Boston Marathon finish line ...: <http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/16/suspicious-package-reported-near-boston-marathon-finish-line-police- (1 more message)
01:25	fluffypony	oh geeze
01:25	fluffypony	what an idiot
01:28	fluffypony	gah
01:28	fluffypony	don't dd in the morning
01:29	fluffypony	meant to kill dd with -USR1
01:29	fluffypony	did -HUP instead
01:29	fluffypony	braindead.
01:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05345899 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {2}
01:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0537725 = 0.2151 BTC [+] {4}
01:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0009542 = 7.8244 BTC [+] {2}
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02:00	kakobrekla	hi.
02:00	fluffypony	kakobrekla: heya
02:01	jurov	ello
02:01	Duffer1	ni
02:01	Duffer1	hi even
02:01	fluffypony	group hug!
02:03	bitcoinpete	https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/cryptanalysis_o.html
02:03	ozbot	Schneier on Security: Cryptanalysis of SHA-1
02:03	bitcoinpete	an oldie
02:04	bitcoinpete	there's an old saying inside the NSA: "Attacks always get better; they never get worse."
02:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00095299 = 15.0096 BTC [-]
02:09	bitcoinpete	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-16/richest-man-asia-selling-everything-china
02:10	ozbot	The Richest Man In Asia Is Selling Everything In China | Zero Hedge
02:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35058 @ 0.0009561 = 33.519 BTC [+] {3}
02:10	bitcoinpete	there's a reason li ka-shing made a token investment in bitpay: best way to buy off-market coins is off merchants
02:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11282 @ 0.00095785 = 10.8065 BTC [+] {2}
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02:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2794 @ 0.00072505 = 2.0258 BTC [-] {10}
02:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00095673 = 9.4238 BTC [-]
02:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00095906 = 14.6257 BTC [+] {3}
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03:01	kakobrekla	;;seen mircea_popescu
03:01	gribble	mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> later all!
03:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00095996 = 2.5708 BTC [+]
03:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.0049998 = 0.31 BTC [-]
03:06	kakobrekla	a well.
03:06	kakobrekla	i go.
03:21	HeySteve	http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/238ew5/warning_serious_issues_at_cryptsy/
03:21	ozbot	[WARNING] Serious issues at Cryptsy : dogecoin
03:27	kakobrekla	wtf dogecoin foundation, really.
03:28	jurov	https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689790241052816&set=vb.109662802398899&type=2&theater just watch and relax.
03:28	kakobrekla	arent you suppose to be here
03:28	jurov	its friday already?
03:29	kakobrekla	ah, no, someone else is early
03:29	kakobrekla	sorry
03:29	jurov	np :)
03:29	jurov	good for you
03:30	kakobrekla	well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :)
03:30	jurov	well, if you said in advance...
03:30	kakobrekla	m?
03:31	jurov	i could go a day earlier, too
03:31	kakobrekla	ah.
03:31	jurov	but i got sick anyway, better stay here a day and get better
03:31	kakobrekla	nothing serious ?
03:32	jurov	looks like not
03:32	kakobrekla	cool
03:32	Naphex	morning
03:34	kakobrekla	heya
03:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8304 @ 0.00095603 = 7.9389 BTC [-]
03:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
03:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0075 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
04:00	kakobrekla	https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/iSec_Final_Open_Crypto_Audit_Project_TrueCrypt_Security_Assessment.pdf
04:01	kakobrekla	Vulnerability Summary
04:01	kakobrekla	Total High severity issues
04:01	kakobrekla	Zero (0)
04:01	kakobrekla	Total Medium severity issues
04:01	kakobrekla	Four (4)
04:01	kakobrekla	Total Low severity issues
04:01	kakobrekla	Four (4)
04:03	kakobrekla	(to be taken with a grain of salt, excluding crypto parts !)
04:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00499999 = 0.145 BTC [+]
04:07	Duffer1	!up b3nkay
04:07	assbot	Voicing b3nkay for 30 minutes.
04:08	Duffer1	sorry was afk
04:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00096087 = 36.0807 BTC [+] {4}
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04:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12796 @ 0.00095916 = 12.2734 BTC [-]
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05:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9227 @ 0.00095329 = 8.796 BTC [-]
05:08	mircea_popescu	benkay: wish i got to do not much ;) << the real mark of being rich.
05:11	kakobrekla	they why the fuck are you telling me the work is its own reward
05:11	mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete yeah, and bitcoin forum investment always gets better, it never gets worse.
05:11	gribble	The operation succeeded.
05:11	kakobrekla	then*
05:11	mircea_popescu	o look who's here! yo kako!
05:11	kakobrekla	hi
05:11	fluffypony	mircea_popescu :)
05:11	mircea_popescu	ima go pick up mike and then have a drink with you two
05:12	mircea_popescu	mpoe-pr was saying she's gonna show up too
05:12	kakobrekla	when is this happening?
05:12	mircea_popescu	coupla hours.
05:13	kakobrekla	aha
05:13	mircea_popescu	gee, don't sound so excited :D
05:14	kakobrekla	lol well i have been in the bar now for some time, if you gonna be couple of hrs i might change my drinks.
05:15	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :) << geeks. travel with girlfriend, to new town, still is alone. 4EVER ALONE!
05:15	kakobrekla	lol
05:15	kakobrekla	lampelina stayed at home. :|
05:15	mircea_popescu	lampelina any purses left in town or didja store them all in the hotel vault ?
05:15	mircea_popescu	ahahah what!
05:15	kakobrekla	lol
05:16	*	kakobrekla hides.
05:16	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla so go pick up someone.
05:16	kakobrekla	nah is no biggie, i like being alone really.
05:16	mircea_popescu	if all else fails, ask the reception desk for the massage salon and ask the girls there where they keep the girlfriends.
05:16	kakobrekla	lol
05:16	*	mircea_popescu was being serious that time.
05:17	kakobrekla	i know :|
05:17	kakobrekla	:D
05:17	mircea_popescu	well anyway, sucks, i was looking forward to meeting your other boss.
05:17	kakobrekla	lel
05:18	mircea_popescu	jurov: looks like not <<< he sounds.... disappointed ?!
05:18	kakobrekla	well you know you are welcome to visit .si
05:18	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i'll tell you honestly what happened.
05:18	mircea_popescu	i tried. like 5 times.
05:18	kakobrekla	liex
05:18	kakobrekla	lies
05:18	mircea_popescu	i keep ending up in austria, hungary, austria
05:18	kakobrekla	lol
05:18	mircea_popescu	it's like... uncanny
05:18	mircea_popescu	can't stop the car fast enough
05:18	kakobrekla	did ya miss the left turn?
05:19	mircea_popescu	who the fuck is isec
05:19	jurov	"looks like not" made impression i don't want to come?
05:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096205 = 12.1218 BTC [+]
05:19	mircea_popescu	also kakobrekla since you're alone and have internet, please work :D
05:19	mircea_popescu	jurov a no, just, made the impression you were hoping for something serious
05:19	jurov	lol
05:19	kakobrekla	i am! bbet banner is up, mails were replied to.
05:20	mircea_popescu	"maybe it's typhoid!"
05:20	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yay!
05:20	kakobrekla	;)
05:20	mircea_popescu	i guess you can have a new drink on me then :D
05:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6721 @ 0.00096185 = 6.4646 BTC [-] {2}
05:20	kakobrekla	ill take it!
05:20	jurov	and thx for the double room, but wao already made arrangements
05:20	mircea_popescu	anyway, going to get my cocked sucked, then get dressed, cya later all!
05:21	jurov	or maybe i'll abduct someone else >:]
05:21	kakobrekla	call me if im not in a hotel ill be near mircea_popescu
05:21	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what, your cell works here ?
05:22	kakobrekla	it shouldnt?
05:22	mircea_popescu	i have no idea. anyway! laters.
05:22	kakobrekla	later
05:22	fluffypony	kakobrekla: I must've missed this, but where are you and what for?
05:23	jurov	http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition
05:23	ozbot	The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
05:23	jurov	fluffypony this ^
05:23	fluffypony	tks
05:23	jurov	i'm going too
05:23	kakobrekla	fluffypony in the bar, to have drinks.
05:24	jurov	1. drink 2. work 3. drink moar ... profit!
05:32	fluffypony	very cool
05:32	fluffypony	maybe next year the wife and I will go visit the in-laws in Germany and then come through for that
05:33	Naphex	pff
05:33	Naphex	hey mircea_popescu meeting is going on in timisoara?
05:33	kakobrekla	yes
05:34	*	fluffypony contemplates a Romanian holiday
05:35	Naphex	TM, is a 2 hour drive
05:35	Naphex	from here / Oradea
05:36	fluffypony	Naphex: what parts of Romania do you recommend seeing if we had to holiday there?
05:36	Naphex	fluffypony: tbh no idea, i spend most my holidays going somewhere else :))
05:36	fluffypony	lol
05:36	fluffypony	come to South Africa on holiday
05:36	fluffypony	it's beautiful here
05:37	Naphex	hehe i bet :)
05:37	Naphex	there'se probably lots of stuff to visit, but i can't recommend much :) my last holiday in romania was when i was 13-14 or something
05:37	Naphex	like that
05:38	kakobrekla	romania reminds me of bosnia tbh.
05:38	kakobrekla	mp is gonna be mad when he reads this but its is what it is.
05:38	kakobrekla	all thats missing is bullet holes in the buildings
05:39	Naphex	well, atleast we got potholes
05:39	Naphex	to make it up
05:39	kakobrekla	a few years back there were still holes from grenades in sarajevo
05:39	kakobrekla	on the road.
05:40	kakobrekla	prolly fixed by now
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06:03	kakobrekla	http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cryptsy-in-disarray/2014/04/17
06:03	kakobrekla	another one bites the dust
06:04	fluffypony	kakobrekla: I think they're just on a dogecoin fork and are reloading the blockchain from scratch
06:05	kakobrekla	dogecoin eh
06:05	kakobrekla	so in the end its more trouble than its worth
06:05	kakobrekla	AMAZING JOB COMMUNITY
06:05	fluffypony	they've been on forks so often
06:05	fluffypony	when you've got an scrypt coin with the entire network hashrate of < 20mh/s it's a joke to end up on a fork
06:07	kakobrekla	dogecoin is 20mh ?
06:07	kakobrekla	how much gpus is that
06:07	kakobrekla	(i have no experience with scrypt)
06:07	fluffypony	no, it's not, but other coins are
06:07	fluffypony	dogecoin is reasonably large atm
06:08	kakobrekla	can we estimate gpu count?
06:08	fluffypony	"networkhashps" : 84463584340,
06:08	kakobrekla	how much scrypt hash does 500mhahs sha gpu make
06:08	kakobrekla	?
06:09	fluffypony	ok so the network hash is about 84gh/s atm
06:09	fluffypony	and a 7950 hashes at ~700kh/s
06:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 154 @ 0.00069772 = 0.1074 BTC [-] {2}
06:09	kakobrekla	so are you saying theres 100k gpus mining this bullshit coin
06:10	fluffypony	yep
06:10	fluffypony	at least 120k
06:10	kakobrekla	zomg
06:10	fluffypony	(the 7950 is quite performant, there are people with older/slower cards)
06:11	kakobrekla	terrible
06:12	fluffypony	average card cost is like $200?
06:12	fluffypony	$24 000 000
06:12	kakobrekla	and burns 200w
06:13	HeySteve	hmm yeah mentioned cryptsy failing this morning
06:13	HeySteve	be interesting if it falls over
06:18	davout	kakobrekla: so you're already in timisoara ?
06:18	kakobrekla	since yesterday evening
06:20	kakobrekla	anyway , cant sit anymore, going for a walk
06:20	kakobrekla	later.
06:21	davout	hf!
06:21	davout	argh
06:21	davout	gonna rain this week end apparently
06:27	HeySteve	so the final ruling is expected in June huh?
06:27	HeySteve	I will let you guys know if it's accepted
06:29	HeySteve	oh wrong window :/
06:37	fluffypony	davout: is Instawallet indefinitely dead or are you still peripherally working on a resurrection?
06:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095288 = 5.8602 BTC [-]
06:38	davout	fluffypony: it's dead. i may at some point start working back on it, but it definitely won't be in the same form
06:39	davout	fluffypony: if it comes back it'll be some sort of lightweight version of blockchain.info, the URL would be the actual private key for the wallet
06:39	fluffypony	yeah I like the way blockchain handles things from that perspective
06:39	davout	but i can think of quite a few reasons why that would be a bad idea anyway
06:39	fluffypony	well it's a tough space
06:39	fluffypony	because anyone "in the know" won't use a webwallet
06:39	fluffypony	but there are tons of people who want to
06:39	davout	first reason: if the URL is your key, the server will hear about it
06:40	fluffypony	davout: BIP38 the key?
06:40	davout	i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore
06:40	fluffypony	on the client side, I mean
06:41	davout	yeah, that would be a solution
06:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00095542 = 33.1531 BTC [+] {3}
06:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00095801 = 10.6818 BTC [+] {2}
07:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.000957 = 6.699 BTC [-]
07:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0667999 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
07:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096035 = 15.3656 BTC [+]
07:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50005304 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {6}
07:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000659 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {4}
07:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8033 @ 0.00096139 = 7.7228 BTC [+] {2}
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08:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0655005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {3}
08:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26208 @ 0.00096374 = 25.2577 BTC [+] {5}
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09:39	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
09:39	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
09:41	mrstickball	thanks
09:41	fluffypony	np
09:42	TestingUnoDosTre	.d
09:42	ozbot	6.120 billion | Next Diff in 23 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.0615% in 0d 3h 12m 49s
09:42	TestingUnoDosTre	Twenty tree blocks!
09:44	mrstickball	What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself
09:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05271665 = 0.3163 BTC [-] {6}
09:51	TestingUnoDosTre	I've always wondered that myself. Perhaps the ability to grow?
09:51	TestingUnoDosTre	Pretty unique venue
09:53	mrstickball	That is a possibility, but again.. the dividends don't bear that out
09:53	mrstickball	1% APY since last year
09:53	TestingUnoDosTre	Methinks the best chance to gain a profit was purchasing at IPO
09:54	TestingUnoDosTre	Past years dividends don't reflect much on say the next 2 to 3 years though...
09:55	mrstickball	certainly, but why so much volume?
09:55	mrstickball	you're looking at >100 BTC volume in the past day
09:55	TestingUnoDosTre	It's probably the the only stock worth trading on MPOE
09:56	mrstickball	could be
09:56	mrstickball	why have they never listed other companies?
09:56	mrstickball	It seems like such an odd model compared to Havelock or Cryptostocks
09:56	TestingUnoDosTre	Both of those are outright fucked
09:57	mrstickball	Cryptostocks is, certainly
09:57	mrstickball	but my point was both try to list new companies
09:57	TestingUnoDosTre	Go to bitbet, search Havelock, and see how many people think it will last through november
09:57	pankkake	it has listed other companies
09:58	pankkake	http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
09:58	ozbot	The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:00	mrstickball	They haven't listed any independent companies in a year if I am reading that right
10:00	fluffypony	mrstickball: can't comment on the accuracy/efficacy of this article, but here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108
10:01	pankkake	that seems to be the case
10:02	TestingUnoDosTre	I do think there was quite a bit of discontent with the satoshi dice closing
10:03	TestingUnoDosTre	But in all honesty, I haven't invested a satoshi in any of these businesses
10:03	mrstickball	right
10:03	mrstickball	I was just curious because the volume is so.... strange
10:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.053 = 0.583 BTC [-]
10:04	mrstickball	its easily the largest stock/entity of Bitcoin securities, but seems not to warrant it in my view
10:04	fluffypony	oh didn't realise, that article I linked to is by asciilifeform
10:04	mrstickball	but maybe those that invest in it have access to something I do not
10:04	mrstickball	hmm
10:04	mrstickball	interesting
10:04	fluffypony	who now works with MP on S.NSA
10:04	mrstickball	right
10:04	mrstickball	which is interesting
10:05	TestingUnoDosTre	Ascii is a chick?
10:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.053 = 0.318 BTC [-]
10:06	fluffypony	no
10:06	TestingUnoDosTre	Also, would like to see how the volume changed if he opened entry fee to something like 5 btc
10:07	TestingUnoDosTre	Oh that's just a quote
10:07	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: you'd have a lot more nervous (dangerous) traders
10:07	fluffypony	imho
10:07	TestingUnoDosTre	But they would moat likely have a lot less capital to toss around
10:08	jurov	what's the problem with using broker?
10:08	fluffypony	besides, you can use CoinBr instead of paying the 30 BTC
10:08	fluffypony	https://coinbr.com/about
10:08	ozbot	About CoinBr
10:08	fluffypony	"Account management fee : 0.019 BTC monthly."
10:08	TestingUnoDosTre	The fees are more than I pay fidelity
10:08	fluffypony	"Buying/Selling/Option exercise fee : 0.5% from traded amount in BTC"
10:08	fluffypony	"BTC withdrawals and asset transfers : 0.02 BTC per."
10:08	mrstickball	I assume the 30 BTC is to provide some sort of barrier to prove sophistication
10:08	fluffypony	R100/month isn't bad for brokerage services
10:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12549 @ 0.00096751 = 12.1413 BTC [+] {2}
10:09	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
10:09	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
10:09	mrstickball	thanks
10:10	mrstickball	I gotta pull out my gribble OTC keys from my old machine to get back in to the WOT
10:10	fluffypony	mrstickball: yes, if you've got the money and sense to invest and play with tens or hundreds of thousands of USD equivalent, the 30 BTC makes sure you know that it's serious
10:11	TestingUnoDosTre	And its also counterparty risk
10:12	TestingUnoDosTre	It's slightly ridiculous though. Last year, it cost approx 1/5 USD equivalent to join. Where's the added value?
10:12	*	fluffypony shrugs
10:12	fluffypony	it'll possibly be revisited at some point, but only MP can answer that
10:13	mrstickball	oh well
10:13	mrstickball	so what other exchanges are out there currently?
10:13	mrstickball	MPex, Havelock, Cryptostocks, Picostocks..?
10:13	jurov	and lulzbourse
10:14	pankkake	Crypto-Trade
10:14	fluffypony	jurov: when are we starting DogeBourse?
10:14	pankkake	(me saying that name is not an endorsment far from it)
10:14	fluffypony	:-P
10:14	fluffypony	mrstickball: Litecoininvest
10:14	mrstickball	ah yeah
10:14	mrstickball	why'd I forget LTCI
10:14	pankkake	oh and CipherTrade is supposed to open one day
10:14	fluffypony	CipherTrade (lol)
10:14	*	fluffypony ^5 pankkake
10:15	fluffypony	you owe me a coke
10:16	fluffypony	mrstickball: http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ <- if you read through that and the follow up BitBet article it gives pause...compare that to Moolah's IPO (on their blog) or the stringent "requirements" for listing on most exchanges
10:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2508 @ 0.00012011 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {2}
10:17	mrstickball	I hear you
10:18	mrstickball	ATM, I am looking at what my fundraising options are
10:18	fluffypony	mrstickball: I've been thinking the same thing
10:18	TestingUnoDosTre	Personally, I would find a small group of people to invest initially before ipo ing on a public exchange
10:19	mrstickball	I already have a fair amount of backing
10:19	mrstickball	I want to make it larger.. a fair bit larger
10:19	fluffypony	I wonder how the Lending section on Bitcointalk would react to a LoC listing ala DeathAndTaxes?
10:19	TestingUnoDosTre	Well are you running and generating cash flow yet?
10:19	mrstickball	yes
10:19	mrstickball	$500,000 last year
10:19	mrstickball	$100,000/mo currently
10:20	mrstickball	just landed a contract with a US retailer to bring mining products to 3 dozen US stores
10:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}
10:22	fluffypony	mrstickball: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114507.0
10:23	fluffypony	they also did subsequent LoCs for higher amounts
10:23	fluffypony	the latter ones are also very good templates for how to do a LoC
10:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05125 = 0.1025 BTC [-] {2}
10:23	mrstickball	interesting
10:23	fluffypony	and you don't need to give up equity for it unnecessarily
10:25	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141016.0
10:25	ozbot	[Funded] Tangible Cryptography LLC seeks LoC to expand working capital
10:25	TestingUnoDosTre	Got a website mrstickball? Would like to check out
10:25	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: buyahash.com
10:25	mrstickball	BuyAHash.com
10:26	mrstickball	We do a lot of mining business on EBay, Amazon, through the eStore
10:26	mrstickball	I also snagged a >$50,000 order from a major US computer retailer
10:26	mrstickball	so we're looking to work with them to put Bitcoin mining hardware in most states. I know our webstore needs a site revision (working on that currently)
10:28	TestingUnoDosTre	Don't care about aesthetics, not too much value to them
10:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15095 @ 0.00096876 = 14.6234 BTC [+]
10:30	Duffer1	mrstickball are you Benny?
10:30	TestingUnoDosTre	This maybe a stupid question, but can those miners return a positive roi any more?
10:31	mrstickball	yes?
10:31	mrstickball	TestingUnoDosTre: which miners?
10:31	mrstickball	Grids? GPUs?
10:31	rithm	why anyone would still be stupid enough to buy mining contracts is beyond me
10:31	mrstickball	its a good racket for the people selling the contracts
10:31	rithm	yes. yes i know.
10:31	mrstickball	now, something can be said for BetaRigs contracts to IPOMiner
10:32	Duffer1	mrstickball are you not going to list on ciphertrade?
10:32	mrstickball	you can make a killing there if it works right
10:32	mrstickball	Duffer1: we likely are. However, it may be awhile before we can list due to some regulatory questions
10:32	Duffer1	i see
10:32	mrstickball	so I am simply shopping around and to educate myself further on options
10:32	fluffypony	Duffer1: we're also supposed to be an initial listing on CipherTrade
10:32	fluffypony	but I admit to a bit of cold feet
10:32	mrstickball	we're still committed to CT, but its always good to look around
10:32	mrstickball	CT will be great once its up
10:33	Duffer1	if it can get up
10:33	fluffypony	yeah I'm just nervous about the changes higher up
10:33	fluffypony	I had an agreement with Kate
10:33	mrstickball	Si will honor the agreement
10:33	fluffypony	and that agreement looks to have fallen away
10:33	mrstickball	and I can vouch for you
10:33	Duffer1	ciphermine shareholders are U-N-H-A-P-P-Y
10:33	fluffypony	mrstickball: I've been chatting to him about it
10:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0665 = 0.5985 BTC [+]
10:33	mrstickball	unfortunately, Kate quasi-screwed everyone over
10:33	mrstickball	due to health
10:33	fluffypony	he's a nice fellow, I'm just letting sleeping dogs lie atm till I figure out my next move
10:33	mrstickball	all interactions I've had with Si are beyond fantastic
10:34	fluffypony	mrstickball: yeah I know it's not Kate's fault
10:34	mrstickball	if Si had been running CM from the get-go or CT from the get-go, there wouldn't be issues
10:34	*	fluffypony nods
10:34	fluffypony	I agree
10:34	Apocalyptic	Si ?
10:34	Duffer1	imo it is Kate's fault, or at least Kate's diseases fault
10:34	mrstickball	pretty much
10:35	mrstickball	Kate / lack of communication when everything went FUBAR
10:35	fluffypony	Duffer1: well there's a lot to be said for a succession plan
10:35	mrstickball	they are buying more rigs. I gotta deliver 40 Grids to them shortly w/ the voltage mods
10:35	Duffer1	ya would have been nice if there was one
10:35	mrstickball	so they do have working capital
10:35	mrstickball	Duffer1: I believe they about have that done now
10:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00097057 = 18.9261 BTC [+] {2}
10:38	Duffer1	is Kate bi-polar?
10:38	fluffypony	I have no idea, spoke to her on the phone a few times and she seemed quite nice
10:39	mrstickball	I wish I could tell you
10:39	mrstickball	for awhile, I thought Kate was Jon W's alter-ego or something, because they both disappeared at the same time
10:40	Duffer1	Jon W = Deprived?
10:40	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
10:40	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
10:41	Duffer1	fluffypony what's your project that your listing?
10:41	fluffypony	Duffer1: OpenRigs
10:41	Duffer1	oh cool
10:53	mrstickball	Duffer1: yeah
10:53	mrstickball	sorry about the delayed response
10:54	Duffer1	no worries
10:54	mrstickball	Jon W and Kate disappeared nearly the same day as each other. Seemed odd
10:54	Duffer1	you're right, everyone suspects they're the same person
10:54	mrstickball	and I started thinking that Kate's last name was Wood, so maybe Jon W = Jon Wood
10:54	mrstickball	but all the digging I did for a Jon W turned up a securities guy that stepped in front of a bus and killed himself due to.......get this.........securities fraud
10:55	Duffer1	oh snap
10:55	Duffer1	how long ago?
10:55	mrstickball	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411533/John-Wood-killed-motorway-hours-stand-trial-6-figure-fraud.html
10:55	ozbot	John Wood 'killed himself on motorway hours before he was due to stand trial for 6-figure fraud' | M
10:56	Duffer1	kate's dad?
10:56	mrstickball	I am trying to dig that up
10:56	mrstickball	I don't think there was any relation, AFAIK
10:58	mrstickball	so that was a dead end, at least from what I saw
10:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00097078 = 13.2026 BTC [+] {2}
11:01	TestingUnoDosTre	Holy shiy
11:02	Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5686030#msg5686030
11:02	ozbot	[BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS)
11:03	artifexd	mrstickball: Are the "in stock" statements on your site accurate?
11:03	mrstickball	they should be. Once in awhile there may be an item that has to be revised
11:04	mrstickball	due to selling out on Amazon, for example
11:04	mrstickball	which item are you looking at?
11:04	artifexd	The ice-fury usb is the one I had up when I asked
11:04	mrstickball	ah
11:04	mrstickball	yeah, we have about 60 in
11:07	Duffer1	unless someone took over the Deprived account the day of that John Ws demise then it's not the same person
11:08	fluffypony	maybe John K == Deprived
11:08	mrstickball	that'd also be interesting
11:08	mrstickball	Duffer1: right. I just thought it was unfathomably odd that there's a John W that killed himself due to fraud like that in a similar window of time
11:08	mrstickball	certainly a strange coincidence.
11:09	Duffer1	oh i agree
11:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00097188 = 9.2329 BTC [+] {2}
11:09	TestingUnoDosTre	Ok so that ice fury is for bitcoin right
11:09	artifexd	I imagine it would work with any sha256 coin.
11:10	fluffypony	mrstickball: well having spoken to Kate on the phone I can confirm she is female and British
11:10	Duffer1	female sounding hehe
11:10	fluffypony	hah hah
11:10	fluffypony	yes
11:10	fluffypony	a very effeminate Briton
11:10	TestingUnoDosTre	I've calculated 25 month to break even at current diff with no electricity costs
11:11	fluffypony	sounds about right
11:11	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
11:11	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
11:11	artifexd	TestingUnoDosTre: That translates to effectively never
11:11	mrstickball	TestingUnoDosTre: on a Grid?
11:11	TestingUnoDosTre	For ice fury
11:11	TestingUnoDosTre	That's what I'm saying
11:11	mrstickball	ahh
11:11	TestingUnoDosTre	Isn't the inventory worthless?
11:12	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: I think the point is to mine, pay electricity out of pocket, and HODL until BTC has risen sufficiently to profit from it
11:12	mrstickball	Just about. The problem is that the factory sent them to me to liquidate them
11:12	artifexd	I am not aware of a single asic currently available that will ever make its money back.
11:12	mrstickball	I may drop the price a bunch and just throw 'em out
11:12	mrstickball	artifexd: they never will if you're looking at paying cash for them vs. buying BTC
11:12	fluffypony	you'd be surprised at the number of old BFL ASICs still selling on eBay
11:12	mrstickball	but I'd say the catch is if difficulty slows down, you'd be good
11:12	TestingUnoDosTre	I know that
11:12	artifexd	mrstickball: exactly
11:12	mrstickball	mining is a hedge against huge diff increases
11:13	TestingUnoDosTre	Opposite
11:13	mrstickball	if you weren't seeing 20% diff increases every 10-12 days... it'd be very easy to ROI. But the ASIC arms race is only now starting to slow
11:13	TestingUnoDosTre	Mining gets racked against huge diff increase
11:14	artifexd	AM almost has gen 3 ready so the difficulty will probably start spiking again in a month or two.
11:14	fluffypony	yeah
11:14	Duffer1	!up mircea_popescu
11:14	assbot	Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
11:14	fluffypony	but they are going to reach the limits of easily accessible fab, right
11:14	nubbins`	hi
11:14	fluffypony	so then they'll have to focus on power efficiency or whatever
11:14	mrstickball	yeah
11:14	mrstickball	they are just about there
11:14	artifexd	mircea_popescu`: I was too slow
11:14	mrstickball	110nm -> 55nm is huge
11:14	nubbins`	artifexd: see hostname ;(
11:14	mrstickball	55nm -> 28nm is also huge
11:15	fluffypony	yep
11:15	mrstickball	but anything sub-28nm isn't going to be as large
11:15	artifexd	!up mircea_popescu`
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11:15	TestingUnoDosTre	Even with a 10 percent diff increase, diff doubles every 7 to 8 months
11:15	mircea_popescu`	o hay
11:15	mrstickball	and if you look, daily diff changes are a lot lower
11:15	mrstickball	yeah. Its still a bad proposition
11:17	TestingUnoDosTre	Daily diff change?
11:18	mrstickball	yeah
11:18	TestingUnoDosTre	So do you have to pay for the miners, or do you just get commission?
11:18	mrstickball	let me find the chart
11:18	mrstickball	on this batch of Ice furies, its commission
11:18	mrstickball	but that is literally the only line of products I've done commission on
11:18	mrstickball	rest I own outright including the 500 Grids in front of me
11:19	artifexd	Scrypt asics?
11:19	mircea_popescu`	aite, that's all for now :) laters all.
11:19	mrstickball	yeah
11:20	benkay	have fun confrees
11:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05341666 = 0.1068 BTC [+] {2}
11:20	TestingUnoDosTre	I don't understand what you mean by daily diff change? Hashrate increase?
11:20	nubbins`	ugh, cavirtex now requires verification of bank accounts
11:20	mrstickball	yeah
11:20	mrstickball	let me pull the chart
11:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49500074 = 1.98 BTC [-] {3}
11:22	fluffypony	nubbins`: easily, or crazy-documentation-required?
11:22	nubbins`	easily, but an unexpected speed bump
11:26	benkay	nubbins`: you're trading with those criminals?
11:26	nubbins`	well, apparently not ;D
11:26	mrstickball	http://bitmine.ch/growth.png
11:26	nubbins`	needed to turn some btc into CAD sorta quickly
11:26	mrstickball	that was the chart I was looking at
11:28	TestingUnoDosTre	Kinda retarded here, but how does a network hashrate increase change my ability to find a block at constant diff? Does it drop linearly with hashrate increase?
11:29	mrstickball	it doesn't affect it until the difficulty change
11:30	mrstickball	otherwise, it drops with the difficulty increase
11:31	TestingUnoDosTre	So how is mining a hedge against diff increase?
11:32	mrstickball	its a hedge against the belief it increases
11:32	mrstickball	e.g. if it doesn't increase, you mine more, and make money back faster
11:32	mrstickball	for example.. if you spent $2,000 on a mining rig in April 2013 and $2000 on LTC, and did a buy & hold until, say... December... the rig would have returned far more
11:33	mrstickball	because difficulty did not increase between June and October
11:33	TestingUnoDosTre	Let's talk about btc here
11:33	TestingUnoDosTre	Where difficulty increases
11:33	mrstickball	right
11:33	TestingUnoDosTre	Because it's quite the opposite
11:35	mrstickball	again, the issue is with the declining diff increases
11:35	mrstickball	as per the chart I showed you, there's been a steady reduction since the peak in September
11:35	mrstickball	from 3% daily to 1% daily
11:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00097346 = 17.717 BTC [+]
11:35	TestingUnoDosTre	If I buy a miner, expecting to roi in 180 days at constant diff, even with electricity. Costs factored in, I'm fucked
11:36	TestingUnoDosTre	But that's a decline on daily diff increases, not diff increases
11:36	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre
11:36	TestingUnoDosTre	Just means the diff increase are tapering off
11:36	fluffypony	how are you calculating ROI?
11:37	TestingUnoDosTre	Let's say you have USD today
11:37	TestingUnoDosTre	Question is- purchase btc, or purchase rig
11:37	benkay	btc
11:37	fluffypony	btc
11:37	fluffypony	always
11:37	TestingUnoDosTre	No shit
11:38	TestingUnoDosTre	So who is buying his rigs?
11:38	benkay	unless you're buying in bulk and getting a great deal net 30 on delivery mining's a scam.
11:39	fluffypony	benkay: the other exception I've seen is with GPU rigs mining profitable altcoins, as theres always a new pump-and-dump "ASIC-resistant" scamcoin being touted. drive them hard for 2-3 years or until unprofitable, and then part out the equipment to gamers
11:39	fluffypony	you can't do that with ASICs
11:39	nubbins`	benkay +1
11:39	TestingUnoDosTre	The guy has a business selling rigs that will never roi have a remote chance of roi. You're never going to build a returning customer base
11:39	benkay	if you're selling mining chips to gamers you're a scammer too.
11:40	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: you understand that not every miner wants profitability, right?
11:40	nubbins`	if that's your exit strategy, you should probably reconsider as well
11:40	nubbins`	"for sale: year-old gfx card, partially melted"
11:40	TestingUnoDosTre	Please explain fluff.
11:40	fluffypony	nubbins`: "just like new except very dusty and with a few blown caps, balance of warranty (1 month left)"
11:41	TestingUnoDosTre	And don't use the whole securing the network argument
11:41	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: Dogecoin has this "join the Doge Defense Force" thing where people mine with their cards when they're not playing games or whatever to strengthen the network
11:41	nubbins`	blown caps are where it's at
11:41	fluffypony	you'd be surprised at how altruistic the individual miner is
11:41	TestingUnoDosTre	I don't want to hear about shitcoins
11:42	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: ok so then take the Jalapeno as an example
11:42	TestingUnoDosTre	Mkay
11:42	fluffypony	it was marketed as a coffee cup warmer
11:42	fluffypony	final product not so much
11:42	benkay	fluffypony re doge defense forces if one must manipulate psychology to deliver hashpower one's doing it entirely wrong.
11:42	fluffypony	but there are tons of people in the mining community that are casual miner
11:42	fluffypony	*miners
11:43	fluffypony	they bought a Jalapeno, mined for a bit, flipped it on eBay or turned it off when it was no longer covering electricity
11:43	benkay	they don't matter or count.
11:43	benkay	the only ones who do are the large farms.
11:43	fluffypony	some of them went from that to a USB Block Erupter
11:43	TestingUnoDosTre	Casual miners aka people who casually flush money or btc down toilet?
11:43	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: exactly
11:43	fluffypony	benkay: contextually we're talking about buyahash's market
11:43	fluffypony	and whether it's a scam
11:43	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
11:43	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
11:44	fluffypony	my argument is that it's not, as the audience is the casual miner
11:44	TestingUnoDosTre	Its not a scam as much as a questionable business venture
11:44	fluffypony	not the large farms
11:44	benkay	it's just pmb turds in a fancy css wrapper
11:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00097347 = 3.7965 BTC [+] {2}
11:45	TestingUnoDosTre	Casual miners or people who have just heard about btc and never tried mining before?
11:45	benkay	o wait this isn't the exchange thinger?
11:45	fluffypony	we could argue that any ASIC manufacturer is a questionable business venture :-P
11:45	fluffypony	benkay: no
11:45	fluffypony	benkay: buyahash.com
11:45	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: yeah, it's people who hear about it and decide to spend a few hundred Dollars *max* on playing around with mining
11:46	benkay	who cares?
11:46	fluffypony	or a few thousand if they're particularly confident in it
11:46	fluffypony	benkay: TestingUnoDosTre does :)
11:46	TestingUnoDosTre	What about knc. Coulnt their product have actually worked out initially?
11:46	benkay	it's like that guy next to the important place with a cart full of cheaply made crap
11:46	benkay	"buy a souvenier! take home a bit of the sphinx!"
11:46	fluffypony	benkay: sure, and some people want to take home a bit of the sphinx, even if it's all an illusion
11:47	fluffypony	doesn't make the vendor questionable per se
11:47	TestingUnoDosTre	Except with that you might still have a positive memory of your trips to Egypt
11:47	benkay	except that the implication (never stated) of these asic vendors is that you might make some money with it.
11:48	fluffypony	I think the bottom line is that it's fallatious to fault a company that sees an opportunity to sell shovels in a gold rush
11:49	benkay	fellatious
11:49	TestingUnoDosTre	Well there's also an advantage to receiving bitcoin outside of an" established" exchange. I think this is somewhat true
11:49	fluffypony	mmmm fellatio
11:49	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol
11:49	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: true, but I doubt 95% of them even consider that
11:50	TestingUnoDosTre	It's totally analingus to invest in a company that behaves in such a manner
11:50	fluffypony	mmm anal lingus
11:50	fluffypony	no wonder everyone complains about mpex's porn chat, look at this conversation!
11:50	TestingUnoDosTre	Wish I could have found a way to swap that for analogous, but not that quick on my feet
11:51	benkay	who's complaining?
11:51	TestingUnoDosTre	.bait
11:51	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ervrPG8Q1qcr2gxo1_500.jpg
11:51	benkay	oz's back!
11:51	benkay	lovely.
11:51	TestingUnoDosTre	Oz is amazing
11:51	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
11:52	fluffypony	benkay: benkay : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108
11:52	fluffypony	"Bitcoinner says: February 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm That stock exchange is horrible, the PR person on bitcointalk acts like a retard. They host porn on the same server they host the exchange from. STAY AWAY FROM THIS EXCHANGE!!!"
11:52	fluffypony	:-P
11:52	benkay	oh the forum
11:52	benkay	figured as much.
11:53	TestingUnoDosTre	It took me a while to realize the forum is %100 propaganda or regards. Even after I read that accounts could be purchased in bulk
11:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00486684 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {4}
11:54	TestingUnoDosTre	regards*
11:54	benkay	ah anyways yes some business-boats can float on the sea of lies that is the mining space.
11:54	TestingUnoDosTre	Fucking auto correct
11:54	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: every few weeks there's someone selling an aged forum account...ON the forum, and people complain about it and promptly are told that it's allowed
11:54	TestingUnoDosTre	Hoe about businesses upon businesses upon businesses?
11:54	benkay	perhaps even some btc can be extracted from the morons swimming in that sea.
11:55	fluffypony	getting paid for building the long con is a viable business model for the supplier
11:55	TestingUnoDosTre	Yes, it's going to be sad when some of the big ones start to fall
11:56	TestingUnoDosTre	Lots of trust out the door. Probably cheap coins for sale though
11:56	benkay	who are these big ones, TestingUnoDosTre ?
11:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097303 = 10.9466 BTC [-]
11:57	TestingUnoDosTre	Bitstamp, btc, havelock, etc
11:57	TestingUnoDosTre	Btce
11:57	fluffypony	I don't think they're all inherently scammy by default
11:57	benkay	it's just a damn fog of scam out there
11:57	fluffypony	btc-e are an interesting one
11:58	fluffypony	they've had plenty of opportunity to cut and run, but they don't
11:58	TestingUnoDosTre	Long live the long con
11:58	fluffypony	yeah but how long?
11:58	benkay	just about 7.5"
11:58	fluffypony	they've gotten more than enough volume, they won't get significantly more than they have, surely?
11:58	fluffypony	benkay: not bad
11:58	*	fluffypony gets a ruler
11:58	TestingUnoDosTre	How about all the wallet software out there. That will shake some confidence
11:59	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: web wallets or actual wallets?
11:59	TestingUnoDosTre	Not worried about actual ones of course
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
12:00	*	fluffypony shrugs
12:00	fluffypony	Blockchain's wallet seems to be about the biggest
12:00	fluffypony	them and StrongCoin
12:00	TestingUnoDosTre	How about smartphone stuff. How big are those?
12:01	benkay	pennies
12:02	TestingUnoDosTre	What about pennies?
12:02	benkay	that's what's in the btc smartphone market.
12:03	TestingUnoDosTre	Ah
12:13	TestingUnoDosTre	How much money do you think the bitcoin atm business is worth? Very hard for me to judge
12:14	benkay	selling 'em appears to work.
12:14	fluffypony	no clue
12:14	benkay	nobody seems to have done the hard numbers on foot traffic for the operator.
12:14	fluffypony	everyone raves about how many Bitcoin ATMs there are and that are coming
12:14	fluffypony	and then the next post is about how difficult they are to use
12:15	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
12:15	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
12:15	mrstickball	what's the cost right now on an ATM?
12:15	fluffypony	http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/
12:15	mrstickball	I am thinking of putting one in a PC retail store
12:15	ozbot	Reddit cofounder drops r/technology mod status after censorship drama
12:16	benkay	mrstickball: 1kusd give or take
12:16	mrstickball	nice
12:16	TestingUnoDosTre	I though it was more like 10
12:16	mrstickball	I assumed 10
12:17	TestingUnoDosTre	Also, I thought you had to register as a money transmitter in US
12:17	mrstickball	ahhh
12:18	mrstickball	as the ATM owner/operator?
12:18	benkay	there are a million reasons to avoid the atm's
12:18	mrstickball	benkay: it'd be interesting
12:18	mrstickball	the reason I ask is due to my contract with a major US PC retailer that wants to sell bitcoin/litecoin products
12:18	mrstickball	my thought is to do a mining kiosk / ATM in each store
12:18	benkay	;;gettrust mrstickball
12:18	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
12:19	mrstickball	benkay: I gotta re-download my wallet to auth with Gribble. If you give me maybe 2hrs, I can re-auth
12:19	TestingUnoDosTre	Curious to ask. Anyone ever tried trading bitcoins for cash in an airport, or is that asking for trouble?
12:19	benkay	i don't care, man.
12:19	mrstickball	airport? ha
12:19	mrstickball	I've done cash through mail though
12:19	mrstickball	felt strange
12:19	fluffypony	CIM?
12:19	fluffypony	:-P
12:19	TestingUnoDosTre	Seriously, I travel through airports frequently
12:19	fluffypony	!ud CIM
12:20	TestingUnoDosTre	!Up CIM
12:20	assbot	Voicing CIM for 30 minutes.
12:20	fluffypony	lol
12:20	fluffypony	no
12:20	benkay	;;ud cim
12:20	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...
12:20	fluffypony	wasn't what I was trying to do
12:20	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: CIM
12:20	fluffypony	there we go
12:20	fluffypony	tks benkay
12:20	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol
12:21	TestingUnoDosTre	Cash through mail- did you wait to send btc until cash was received?
12:21	cgcardona_	: has anyone actually used a btc atm? I've not used one yet. they didn't have any in SF before I left.
12:21	mrstickball	uh, yeah, TestingUnoDosTre
12:21	mrstickball	I knew the person. He needed BTC. He did CIM via express, got here OK
12:21	mrstickball	but I bet I'm on a government list now
12:21	mrstickball	I told him to do a cashiers check
12:21	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol
12:22	nubbins`	;;ud cim
12:22	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...
12:22	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: CIM
12:22	mrstickball	and all of a sudden, I find a swelling padded mailer with a few K in it
12:22	mrstickball	lol
12:23	TestingUnoDosTre	Did you inspect all the bills?
12:24	cgcardona_	What's the general consensus on Ethereum? Something to watch or crapcoin?
12:25	benkay	scam.
12:25	mrstickball	there are so many weird coins out
12:25	mrstickball	would be worth looking
12:25	cgcardona_	I'm really just looking in to it recently . Can you elaborate benkay ?
12:25	fluffypony	cgcardona_: benkay is a bot, he says that as a response to a mention of any altcoin
12:25	fluffypony	eg. ponycoin?
12:26	mrstickball	DOGECoin?
12:26	fluffypony	benkay: ^^^
12:26	benkay	look
12:26	benkay	i am a purchaser of compute
12:27	benkay	i am not paying per operation.
12:27	benkay	i am not running on your distributed compute network.
12:27	benkay	i am leasing a fucking processor with some fucking ram and running some calculations.
12:27	benkay	distributed autonomous corporations are the pipe dream of nerds who've never incorporated or run any business.
12:27	pankkake	fluffypony: actually, I made a bot a few months earlier.
12:28	pankkake	!up pircea_momescu
12:28	assbot	Voicing pircea_momescu for 30 minutes.
12:28	pankkake	is ethereum a scam?
12:28	pircea_momescu	pankkake ethereum is a scam !
12:28	fluffypony	lol
12:28	TestingUnoDosTre	What's your take on auroracoin benkay. Scamcoin or. ... nevermind
12:28	fluffypony	ethereum is amazing!
12:28	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
12:28	*	fluffypony hugs assbot
12:29	fluffypony	pankkake: that's awesome, it should stay in chan
12:29	TestingUnoDosTre	What does ethereum actually do? Has anyone seen a result compared to promises?
12:29	benkay	that's a good basis point for your analysis.
12:29	pankkake	it disconnects and never comes back, and it happens in the irc lib, and I never got around figuring why
12:29	cgcardona_	i think they're just rolling out the testnet and even it is real buggy
12:29	benkay	billmoyers.com/2014/04/16/paul-krugman-why-we’re-in-a-new-gilded-age/
12:30	TestingUnoDosTre	And what's with the fake MPs today?
12:30	TestingUnoDosTre	Complete garbage
12:30	mrstickball	lol
12:30	mrstickball	Krugman
12:30	benkay	classic internet
12:30	benkay	don't read thing
12:30	fluffypony	I honestly haven't really looked at Ethereum
12:30	TestingUnoDosTre	Read a few paragraphs of that trash. Comments contained more resemblance of intelligence
12:30	benkay	just mock
12:31	fluffypony	but I agree with benkay
12:31	mrstickball	benkay: how often do you read Krugman?
12:31	benkay	mrstickball: let me know when you get to the part where krugman reviews a book someone else wrote.
12:31	fluffypony	you can run a business and burn all your creditors without complying with any rule ever and with nobody ever knowing your identity...that doesn't seem like a healthy starting point for a system
12:31	mrstickball	How much Krugman do you read?
12:31	thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe
12:31	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095214 / 0.00096064 / 0.00097418 (585642 shares, 562.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096309 / 0.00097649 (3444684 shares, 3,317.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00079813 / 0.00093513 / 0.00101 (22227685 shares, 20,785.78 BTC)
12:32	TestingUnoDosTre	That's the whole thing. Its a book review
12:32	fluffypony	so we should scroll straight to the comments and write "le bitcoin army is here!!!111one" ?
12:33	benkay	i guess in lieu of actual discussion that'll have to do.
12:33	TestingUnoDosTre	I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago
12:33	TestingUnoDosTre	Have you read his thing on bitcoin?
12:33	benkay	cracks me up that y'all would rather harp on krugman than derp through his review of a book written by someone else.
12:34	mrstickball	he was praising it for its call to tax the rich more
12:34	fluffypony	benkay: don't have time to read it now, added it to my read later list
12:34	cgcardona_	DACs don't seem like a pipedream of geeks to me.
12:34	pankkake	http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/me_guns/krugman_cat.jpg
12:34	mrstickball	he's reviewing a book that takes a very dim view of economics which is typical for Keynesians
12:34	benkay	mrstickball: get past the krugman slant. let me know what you think about the book under review.
12:34	TestingUnoDosTre	I read it until I realized its an emotional appeal to socialism
12:35	mrstickball	the book is arguing a point without context
12:35	mrstickball	its arguing about economic inequality without looking at a lot of underlying factors
12:35	TestingUnoDosTre	I'll read the book. Love formatting my own opinion
12:35	mrstickball	you can't compare inequality from the 10s and 20s to today simply by looking at inequality x income
12:35	nubbins`	what format do you use for your opinions?
12:36	fluffypony	nubbins`: markdown
12:36	nubbins`	not bad
12:36	benkay	amateur
12:36	benkay	latex is for professional opinions.
12:36	benkay	mrstickball: what factors does it ignore?
12:37	mrstickball	regulatory atmosphere, primarily
12:37	nubbins`	but what's LaTeX for? ;(
12:37	mrstickball	he cites deregulation as a potential cause of inequality, yet the reality is the EXACT OPPOSITE
12:38	mrstickball	we have more regulations on our economy (and tax code) than at any point in history
12:38	benkay	that's quite a claim.
12:38	mrstickball	benkay: I can substantiate it easily
12:38	mrstickball	you want the US tax code by pages?
12:38	mrstickball	or would you prefer my compliance costs?
12:38	benkay	sounds a lot like correlation
12:38	benkay	and not a whit like causation
12:39	mrstickball	its a partial cause
12:39	mrstickball	when the average factory has $15,000 in compliance costs in the US, what do you think they do?
12:39	mrstickball	*$15,000 per person
12:39	benkay	how does that imply causation between higher regulatory burden and inequality?
12:40	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cabbie-beaten-in-st-john-s-forefinger-and-thumb-severed-1.2611975
12:40	ozbot	Cabbie beaten in St. John's, forefinger and thumb severed - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
12:40	nubbins`	^ the attacker went to the same school as me for 9 years :0
12:40	mrstickball	regulatory burden ensures that larger businesses / those with access to more capital can reduce their burden and utilize economies of scale to leverage better positions against the small business and poor
12:40	TestingUnoDosTre	Here's the comment I liked" Second, they look at it from the US/European point of view. If you look at it from a global level, there is a lot less global inequality now than in the 50s and 60s. The income of Americans then was over 100 times greater than the Chinese. Now it is merely 6 times greater. 1,000,000,000 people have been lifted out of poverty into the middle class in the last 15 years. That is more than
12:41	benkay	ah the ol' regulation lays most heavily on those unable to escape it
12:41	benkay	i for one don't care about inequality
12:41	mrstickball	benkay: What business do you run, and tell me about your compliance department
12:41	benkay	seems like a thing largely out of the control of anyone
12:41	benkay	software
12:42	benkay	comply on taxes and employment
12:42	mrstickball	how much do you pay for HR and accounting?
12:42	benkay	none right now, sometime soon that'll change.
12:42	mrstickball	how many employees?
12:42	benkay	well accounting i do pay for
12:42	benkay	some thousands per year
12:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00097303 = 9.5357 BTC [-]
12:42	benkay	can't say as that's any of your business, mrstickball .
12:43	mrstickball	benkay: it is since we're discussing regulatory environments
12:43	benkay	respond in two ways
12:43	benkay	as if i have 1 employee
12:43	benkay	and as if i have 20
12:43	mrstickball	if you're doing software, I'd ask how many people you have on 1099's vs. W4
12:43	mrstickball	since in software, you can contract more
12:44	mrstickball	because I co-own an analyst firm that contracts 100% of its employees. I also run a business that is looking to hire via W4. Different regulatory environment, as I have to pay a lot more in compliance for unemployment, workers comp, SS, ect
12:44	mrstickball	all adds to my cost of doing business
12:44	mrstickball	same thing with hardware/IP acquisitions
12:44	benkay	okay hey so a question
12:44	mrstickball	much easier to 1099 someone on a retail design via a 3rd party than it is to look at hiring an in-house artist
12:45	benkay	you don't go to sleep quaking in your boots about getting audited on your 1099's?
12:45	mrstickball	generally, no
12:45	TestingUnoDosTre	How much is workers comp in a software environment?
12:45	benkay	what do you do that insulates you from the employee/contractor confusion?
12:45	fluffypony	benkay
12:46	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
12:46	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
12:46	mrstickball	I comply with state guidelines on contractors
12:46	mrstickball	e.g. work environment, scope of work, length of contract and so on
12:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012009 = 0.3603 BTC [-] {3}
12:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05358 = 0.2143 BTC [+]
12:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.05359 = 1.0182 BTC [+]
12:54	benkay	defo prefer 1099's
12:54	numerisTrade	hello everyone
12:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097303 = 5.8382 BTC [-]
12:56	mrstickball	benkay: why is that? ... I'd argue because its so much easier and trouble-free as an employer
12:57	mrstickball	I can write someone a check and 1099-em at the end of year... No real compliance or paperwork
12:57	mrstickball	I wish all hiring was that easy. But its not, and that's why I think regulation/compliance is such a huge cogwheel in the American economy.
12:57	mrstickball	Because its so much easier to get someone in China to do work for me than it would be here at a factory
12:57	mrstickball	(and my wife is building a candle factory over the next few months, so I'm having to help her learn all the compliance steps)
12:58	benkay	banging atoms together as a business in the states is just horrid.
12:58	mrstickball	Its not fun in the least
12:58	mrstickball	so imagine what I've had to do for SEC compliance as a registered security
12:59	benkay	what's your company?
13:00	mrstickball	BuyAHash among others
13:01	cgcardona_	http://letstalkbitcoin.com/bitcoin-and-the-three-laws-of-robotics/#.U1AHcOZdVUV <--- interesting read comparing Bitcoin (big B) with DAC
13:01	ozbot	Bitcoin and the Three Laws of Robotics | Lets Talk Bitcoin
13:01	cgcardona_	^ that was supposed to read (big letterB)
13:03	benkay	haw funny, you mrstickball
13:03	benkay	what is this analysis company?
13:03	mrstickball	video game company
13:03	mrstickball	I've had to nearly back out of it due to BAH
13:03	benkay	specifics?
13:03	benkay	we get a lot of non-specific claims around here.
13:03	benkay	kinda allergic at this point.
13:04	mrstickball	We track video game sales for digital games
13:04	benkay	yes but what is your url
13:04	benkay	who are you
13:04	benkay	etc
13:04	mrstickball	then sell the charts to interested parties
13:04	mrstickball	http://analytics.fadellc.com/
13:04	ozbot	Fade - Digital download sales reports
13:05	benkay	http://fadellc.com/legal/
13:06	benkay	ouch
13:06	mrstickball	front end has had some issues due to WP
13:06	benkay	site's kinda broken
13:06	benkay	ouuuuch: http://fadellc.com/ios-reports-and-sales-data/
13:06	mrstickball	front end is. I have to work with our dev to get it working. Like I said, I've been too busy with BAH
13:07	benkay	wp, eh?
13:07	mrstickball	Whats the URL to your company, by the way?
13:07	benkay	needs moar css, clearly.
13:07	benkay	http://survantjames.com
13:08	mrstickball	neato
13:08	benkay	http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html
13:08	ozbot	About
13:08	benkay	let me know if you feel like throwing some money at fixing your site.
13:08	mrstickball	there you go
13:08	mrstickball	I may
13:08	mrstickball	what are your rates?
13:09	benkay	north of a hundred an hour
13:09	benkay	closing in on two
13:09	mrstickball	I wouldn't mind hiring someone to re-do BuyAHash and make it look a lot cleaner, but I'm unsure what the costs on that'd be for a full re-do of the frontend (the backend at least from my interactions are ok)
13:09	mrstickball	ah
13:09	benkay	fixed bid's another story, though.
13:10	benkay	you could get a lot done for 10k.
13:10	benkay	course, you could also hire someone across the ocean for 10/hr.
13:11	mrstickball	could
13:11	mrstickball	10k for BuyAHash?
13:11	mrstickball	or 10k for FADE?
13:11	benkay	i'm sure you understand the tradeoffs.
13:11	benkay	10k buys you a heck of a lot of css.
13:11	mrstickball	right
13:12	mrstickball	the backend of FADE is well over that
13:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 78 @ 0.06690894 = 5.2189 BTC [+] {3}
13:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06691 = 0.2676 BTC [+]
13:14	benkay	well if you're backing out of fade i can't really suggest you pour more money in
13:16	benkay	but that seems to be the one that needs the most work
13:16	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
13:16	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
13:16	mrstickball	I can probably put a few hours in to get the WP frontend back up
13:17	benkay	haha
13:17	benkay	;;rate mrstickball 1 +v
13:17	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
13:17	benkay	wait hang on
13:17	benkay	;;unrate mrstickball
13:17	gribble	Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.
13:17	benkay	i'm going to want to see you auth in
13:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06691 = 1.2044 BTC [+]
13:20	mrstickball	yeah
13:20	mrstickball	give me awhile
13:20	mrstickball	I gotta re-download the blockchain on this new PC
13:22	benkay	you don't have to do that to auth
13:22	mrstickball	eh, guess I forgot that you can sign without getting the chain
13:22	fluffypony	you can sign a message before it's finished downloading, innit?
13:23	benkay	yup.
13:23	benkay	i mean
13:23	benkay	unless btc-qt is even more badly written than i imagined...
13:26	benkay	mrstickball: does it work?
13:31	cgcardona_	;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://survantjames.com/
13:31	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
13:33	benkay	ty cgcardona_
13:33	cgcardona_	np
13:33	cgcardona_	am checking out the cascadian hacker site now. nice work.
13:33	benkay	mindless blathering
13:33	cgcardona_	heh
13:33	benkay	just assume everything was written drunk
13:33	cgcardona_	I always do
13:34	benkay	you're free of course to put whatever you want in the rating field, but i'd prefer to have cascadianhacker.com in there than survantjames.com
13:34	cgcardona_	sure no prob
13:34	benkay	the former's vastly more relevant to the wot
13:34	benkay	again ty
13:34	benkay	;;rate cgcardona_ 1
13:34	artifexd	cgcardona_: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html <- my favorite benkay post
13:34	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
13:34	cgcardona_	;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://cascadianhacker.com/
13:34	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 1.
13:34	fluffypony	artifexd: seconded
13:35	benkay	short and sweet.
13:35	benkay	gotta do more of 'em.
13:35	benkay	i'd like to do one on ethereum too
13:36	cgcardona_	i'd like to read that one.
13:36	benkay	a clean fry isn't enough, it needs to be reasoned.
13:36	benkay	that means i have to actually sink my head into ethereum.
13:36	benkay	fml.
13:37	cgcardona_	haha
13:37	fluffypony	hah
13:37	TestingUnoDosTre	Benkay, are you cascadianhacker
13:37	fluffypony	;;rate benkay 1 best ben on freenode
13:37	TestingUnoDosTre	Nvm
13:37	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
13:38	jurov	benkay: in what stage ethereum actually is?
13:38	TestingUnoDosTre	Pre alpha
13:38	jurov	anything usable yet?
13:39	jurov	!up mjr_
13:39	assbot	Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
13:39	cgcardona_	i've only just started reading about it but it seems like they are just launching a buggy testnet
13:39	benkay	i hear buggy testnet
13:42	TestingUnoDosTre	Oh my statute of limitations. That's refuckingdiculous
13:43	fluffypony	BingoBoingo:)
13:48	BingoBoingo	!up mrstickball
13:48	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
13:48	BingoBoingo	!down mrstickball
13:49	cgcardona_	;;rate danielpbarron 1 #btc-assets
13:49	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
13:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0666 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
13:54	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473710.msg6269549#msg6269549 … and now he edited them
13:54	ozbot	[QUINTO] IPO on cryptostocks
13:55	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol
13:55	pankkake	it's funny what you can uncover through forgotten metadata
14:00	benkay	http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567
14:00	ozbot	Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
14:00	benkay	!up mrstickball
14:00	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
14:00	benkay	mrstickball: have you succeeded in signing a thing with your btc addr or shall we assume you to be an impostor?
14:00	mrstickball	was out to lunch. Let me get my wallet from my old PC
14:02	pankkake	benkay: WTF?!
14:02	TestingUnoDosTre	What was with the fake MPs in here today
14:03	benkay	pretty wild, eh pankkake ?
14:06	benkay	i can't tell if it's actual antisemitism or 'join us or else the jooz die' antisemitism
14:06	benkay	much fog of war
14:06	pankkake	it's probably a jew conspiracy, in both cases
14:07	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol
14:07	TestingUnoDosTre	Jewspiracy
14:07	TestingUnoDosTre	Only worse thing is... witchcraft!
14:08	benkay	errybody just jealous of 6 millenia of selection pressure
14:08	TestingUnoDosTre	Did you see that pircea_momescu left. What's with that shit
14:09	pankkake	TestingUnoDosTre: it's my joke bot. what other fake MPs are you talking about?
14:09	TestingUnoDosTre	!Up mrstickball
14:09	assbot	Voice for mrstickball extended to 30 minutes.
14:09	pankkake	besides the ones trolling Legitimate Companies on Bitcointalk
14:09	pankkake	;;gettrust mrstickball
14:09	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
14:09	TestingUnoDosTre	There was one mircea_popescu' earlier
14:10	pankkake	;;rate mrstickball runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)
14:10	gribble	Error: 'runs' is not a valid integer.
14:10	pankkake	;;rate mrstickball 1 runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)
14:10	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
14:10	pankkake	you can !up yourself now
14:10	mrstickball	trying to find my OTC address to sign myself in for Gribble
14:10	pankkake	ahah
14:10	TestingUnoDosTre	Buy a hash sounds like a good cannabis company too
14:10	mrstickball	it does
14:10	TestingUnoDosTre	Are you Mrs tick ball?
14:11	mrstickball	not quite
14:11	pankkake	gpu mining and cultivating cannabis looks the same for the power company
14:11	TestingUnoDosTre	So true. Apparently they tried to bust some miner
14:11	mrstickball	odd. When I imported this wallet, I fail to see any addresses that I've used previously
14:11	mrstickball	do they only populate once the blockchain syncs up?
14:12	TestingUnoDosTre	!Down mrstickball
14:12	TestingUnoDosTre	Meh
14:12	pankkake	the few times I imported private keys, I've had to restart the client for it to show up
14:12	pankkake	in the GUI
14:13	TestingUnoDosTre	Did that work there? Didn't see an assbot response
14:13	pankkake	lowercase D
14:13	benkay	TestingUnoDosTre: why are you muting mrstickball ?
14:13	TestingUnoDosTre	Power trip
14:14	benkay	ah
14:14	benkay	let the man work through his wallet issues, eh?
14:14	benkay	might even get some help
14:14	mrstickball	Gribble is being a pain
14:15	mrstickball	the last client I had was 0.8.5 and they changed the UI significantly. I found the OTC address.. now just to get Gribble to verify it which its being a pain
14:17	TestingUnoDosTre	Do miners take a while to shut off old rigs after diff change, or are they usually ahead of the curve?
14:17	mrstickball	!gettrust Mrstickball
14:17	mrstickball	;;gettrust Mrstickball
14:17	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user Mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=Mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
14:17	mrstickball	there
14:17	benkay	;;rate mrstickball 1 +v
14:17	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
14:18	mrstickball	so much harder when you haven't authed with Gribble in a few hundred days..
14:18	benkay	you'll probably want to gpg up
14:18	TestingUnoDosTre	Gribbles being a cranky hitch today
14:18	mrstickball	gotta import my GPG keys from my old PC first
14:18	pankkake	I wrote a script to make it less of a pain, but it's still an annoying process
14:18	mrstickball	no, its my fault on not having all the stuff handy on my new PC
14:19	benkay	well, you were caught with your pants down with this voice stuff
14:19	mrstickball	new wallet client + new PC + remembering how to properly auth after 200 days of absence
14:20	pankkake	http://pastebin.com/sHftSFsQ quick and dirty
14:20	ozbot	#/bin/bash -eu echo "gpg eauth ${USER}" echo ";;gpg eauth ${USER}"|xclip -i - Pastebin.com
14:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0669675 = 0.7366 BTC [+]
14:23	TestingUnoDosTre	;;google xclip command
14:24	gribble	xclip: Command-Line Clipboard - ServerWatch: <http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3826261/xclip-CommandLine-Clipboard.htm>; AutoCAD 2010 User Documentation: XCLIP - Autodesk: <http://docs.autodesk.com/ACD/2010/ENU/AutoCAD%202010%20User%20Documentation/files/WS1a9193826455f5ffa23ce210c4a30acaf-5207.htm>; Copy Shell Prompt Output To Linux / UNIX X Clipboard (1 more message)
14:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
14:28	numerisTrade	;;rate BingoBoingo 1 one bet settled + he runs thedrinkingrecord.com
14:28	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
14:28	TestingUnoDosTre	What did you guys bet on?
14:28	numerisTrade	Copa del Rey, soccer
14:30	BingoBoingo	TestingUnoDosTre: We tried an unescrowed bet, it worked
14:30	TestingUnoDosTre	Oooh
14:31	numerisTrade	well, yeah, that would be more precise
14:31	TestingUnoDosTre	Just curious, did bitbet offer bets without timeweight in the past?
14:32	TestingUnoDosTre	Numeristrade, you answered my question
14:32	jurov	no afaik it was same from beginning
14:32	jurov	but you can make bet without weight by setting end weight to 100000
14:33	BingoBoingo	Yeah
14:34	numerisTrade	the content of the bet was of secondary importance, the most important part was it being unescrowed
14:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0669675 = 0.6697 BTC [+]
14:34	TestingUnoDosTre	Other thing I wanted to do was to lower the initial timeweight in attempt to make it jump discretely
14:34	TestingUnoDosTre	Sadly, not an option
14:34	jurov	why?
14:35	TestingUnoDosTre	My thoughts were this. Enter a European call option, a la bitcoin trade at or above 600 on June 1
14:36	TestingUnoDosTre	Allow for like one or two weeks of betting and close the bet early
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669675 = 0.1339 BTC [+]
14:36	TestingUnoDosTre	Try and sell timeweight shares as price jumps up and down
14:37	TestingUnoDosTre	Thought it would be neat if the timeweight started at like 7, then ticked down one each day
14:39	TestingUnoDosTre	Discrete isn't really needed though
14:40	TestingUnoDosTre	Could accomplish what I was saying with the continuous
14:41	TestingUnoDosTre	Does what I'm saying make sense though?
14:41	fluffypony	;;rate mrstickball 4 a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash
14:41	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
14:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7383 @ 0.00097145 = 7.1722 BTC [-]
14:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 400 @ 0.14 = 56 BTC
14:46	TestingUnoDosTre	Any thoughts on my proposal?
14:50	cgcardona_	;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Vanity wallet 1LvCunts… FTW
14:50	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
14:54	davout	so apparently localbitcoins got surprise butsecks'd
14:56	numerisTrade	TestingUnoDosTre, what would be the purpose of such bet construction?
14:56	fluffypony	davout: I'll fathom that they had logins etc. scraped when they were Heartbleed vulnerable, and the attackers waited till now to use them
14:57	davout	fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho
14:57	TestingUnoDosTre	I would initially gage an option, bet on it, then sell off some of it to lock in profit
14:57	fluffypony	davout: XSS then?
14:57	davout	also ppl seem to report changing passwords after hb and still being impacted
14:57	TestingUnoDosTre	Surprise buttsexed. How so?
14:57	davout	fluffypony: xss/csrf would be easy to detect by someone with a simple tool such as firebug
14:58	davout	looks more like it's server-side
14:58	fluffypony	true
14:58	davout	TestingUnoDosTre: like in the butt, by surprise
14:58	TestingUnoDosTre	But what happened- got an article?
14:59	TestingUnoDosTre	I was thinking of beginning to use the service, to get off the exchanges
14:59	davout	TestingUnoDosTre: www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23a26k/breaking_remove_your_btc_from_localbitcoins/
14:59	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: if you don't mind reading something written by a 15 year old, http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/reports-localbitcoins-funds-missing/2014/04/17
14:59	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol
14:59	fluffypony	I'm not joking, he's 15 - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/busterroni
14:59	TestingUnoDosTre	As long as he is respectable
15:00	artifexd	Blockchain.info bought bitcoin.com?
15:00	TestingUnoDosTre	Wait, you have yo deposit bitcoins with them? What in the fuck
15:01	fluffypony	artifexd: 5 year agreement
15:01	davout	bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica
15:01	bounce	http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 burn millions, have nothing to show for it, get away with it because "aw, so young"
15:01	ozbot	Inside Story of Clinkle - Business Insider
15:01	fluffypony	davout: yeah, CoinBase own it
15:01	artifexd	I disapprove
15:02	davout	fluffypony: do they? source?
15:02	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: only for online transactions
15:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21382 @ 0.00097304 = 20.8055 BTC [+] {2}
15:02	fluffypony	davout: http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-info-acquires-bitcoin-com-domain-name/ - "Previously the domain was used by Coinbase a customer acquisition channel."
15:02	davout	fluffypony: last time i checked tihan seale did
15:02	davout	fluffypony: used, not owned
15:02	fluffypony	ah
15:03	fluffypony	I misread that as owned, sorry
15:04	fluffypony	http://bitcoin.com/images/news_icon.png
15:04	fluffypony	they're pushing that retarded symbol hard
15:04	benkay	i love seeing shitty startups go down
15:04	benkay	bounce: ^^
15:04	davout	the main reason i dislike jeremias kangas is the fact he hijhacks bitcoincentral.com to localbitcoins.com
15:05	davout	which as we say in france
15:05	davout	is fucking gay
15:05	numerisTrade	TestingUnoDosTre, as I understand it, the decreasing timeweight would punish your lock-in profits if it's linear to 0 in a one week frame
15:06	pankkake	during the 2000s internet bubble I loved the French website "vakooler" (fancy way of writing "going to sink")
15:06	fluffypony	davout: maybe it's worth doing a UDRP for the domain, it meets the "bad faith" element by pointing to a competing service?
15:06	TestingUnoDosTre	No no because I would bet immediately, the betting would close, and say one week later the price may drop, and I could sell shares of No for more than at beginning
15:07	TestingUnoDosTre	The decreasing timeweight would mess with everyone else but me that tried to value the option
15:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 425 @ 0.14 = 59.5 BTC
15:08	TestingUnoDosTre	Mainly because 1 week of info doesn't help you too much for 4 weeks ahead
15:08	davout	fluffypony: mebbe
15:08	fluffypony	bounce: what in actual fuck do they need 70 people for to build a mobile payments app?
15:10	benkay	fluffypony: welcome to the circus.
15:10	fluffypony	davout: it was registered 4 months before bitcoin-central, so you'd probably have to go the trademark route + bad faith or demonstrate that you announced the name somewhere and the act of registering the domain was cybersquatting+bad faith use
15:11	davout	i really don't care that much, i just think that doing it is gay
15:12	jurov	in related news, i do want to pay for coinbroker.com but no one responds
15:14	fluffypony	jurov: did you try both of the Yahoo! emails on the domain?
15:15	jurov	prolly yes, i don't remember
15:16	jurov	i'm not desperate, coinbr is fine
15:16	numerisTrade	TestingUnoDosTre, the selling shares of No is selling these outside BitBet service?
15:17	numerisTrade	jurov, coinbr is already an established brand, besides it's better than coinbroker
15:19	TestingUnoDosTre	Yes. Draw up a short got contract. Say you're buying 10000 timeweight representing .1btc for. 13 or something along those lines
15:19	TestingUnoDosTre	Got*
15:19	TestingUnoDosTre	Gpg*****
15:22	jurov	yup, i'd add it to coinbr if i had the manpower. make a bet via coinbr, then resell it
15:22	TestingUnoDosTre	Why not just broker it myself?
15:22	TestingUnoDosTre	Gain some wot
15:23	jurov	yes, you can even put it into the -otc order book
15:24	jurov	i'm thinking wholesale :)
15:26	numerisTrade	jurov, you are thinking about reselling it within your customer base or something broader, more open?
15:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06696917 = 4.0182 BTC [+] {3}
15:26	jurov	it should *not* involve monthly fees, of course
15:26	TestingUnoDosTre	50% broker fees
15:27	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol
15:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066971 = 0.2009 BTC [+]
15:27	jurov	aside from not spreading myself too thin, i'm also uncertain - maybe kako plans something like that, too
15:28	jurov	should ask him tomorrow
15:28	fluffypony	benkay: http://i.imgur.com/FyDyzym.png
15:29	jurov	they forgot to apply securities regulations, too
15:29	pankkake	and carbon emission regulations
15:31	numerisTrade	http://pando.com/2013/12/16/bitcoin-has-a-dark-side-its-carbon-footprint/
15:31	ozbot	Bitcoin has a dark side: its carbon footprint | PandoDaily
15:31	TestingUnoDosTre	Oh my I love when haters bring that up
15:31	nubbins`	just got rear-ended :(
15:32	TestingUnoDosTre	The world's most secure asset registry uses electricity! !!
15:32	fluffypony	nubbins`: that sucks - their fault, though
15:32	nubbins`	yup. i was stopped, left turn indicator on
15:32	nubbins`	guy didn't even slow down
15:33	fluffypony	what a d-bag
15:33	fluffypony	did he apologise?
15:33	nubbins`	nah
15:33	TestingUnoDosTre	Next article is about greencoin, the newest neatest coin that requires 1/10th the energy to mine
15:33	nubbins`	young fella
15:33	TomServo	how fast were they going?
15:33	TestingUnoDosTre	Did you break his legs?
15:33	nubbins`	maybe 50-60km/h
15:34	nubbins`	i managed to take my foot off the brake before we made contact, which i think helped avoid the worst of it
15:34	BingoBoingo	TestingUnoDosTre: Uses less electricity becaused mined with MD4 asic
15:34	TestingUnoDosTre	Damn!
15:34	nubbins`	bumper cars
15:34	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol are you fcking kidding me
15:35	TomServo	I got hit last year, person was doing about 80 kph though. That sucked.
15:35	nubbins`	oof, i'd say
15:36	nubbins`	i've got a bit of a headache now and my neck/shoulders are a bit sore, tomorrow's gonna suck
15:36	TomServo	Yep!
15:37	TomServo	If my driver's window would've been open I bet my leg would've been sticking out. I was all rearranged in there.
15:37	nubbins`	yipes
15:37	TestingUnoDosTre	Oh o m
15:37	TomServo	No lasting injuries though, so yay for that. Just sore a few days/week.
15:38	TestingUnoDosTre	This was a real car, not bumper cars? Thought you were just joking for a second there
15:38	nubbins`	good
15:38	nubbins`	TestingUnoDosTre: real car, yes
15:38	nubbins`	the bumper cars comment was in relation to the fact that i managed to release the brakes before he hit me
15:39	TomServo	Coincidentally or you saw him coming?
15:39	nubbins`	glanced in the mirror just as his headlights disappeared, tried to stomp the gas
15:41	nubbins`	funny thing is, i'm always careful to brake and indicate early at this spot, because people always take the hill really fast
15:41	nubbins`	saw the car behind me was lagging, figured he saw me
15:42	nubbins`	anyway, i need a drink
15:42	nubbins`	peace
15:43	TomServo	cheers nubbins`
15:43	jurov	http://opensslrampage.org ( strncpy(d, s, strlen(s)) got me)
15:44	jurov	!up ozbot
15:44	assbot	I don't do bots, jurov.
15:46	bounce	didn't ssl have a patch a while back that went snprintf(d,dlen,s) -> snprintf(d,dlen,"%s",s) ? something like that at any rate
15:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16922 @ 0.00097109 = 16.4328 BTC [-] {2}
15:50	bounce	/* if PRNG is not properly seeded, resort to secret exponent as unpredictable seed */
15:57	BingoBoingo	“Remove non-posix support. Why is OPENSSL_isservice even here? Is this a crypto library or a generic platform abstraction library? “A hack to make Visual C++ 5.0 work correctly” time to upgrade.”
15:57	BingoBoingo	— tedu
16:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19374 @ 0.00097418 = 18.8738 BTC [+]
16:07	TestingUnoDosTre	!Up chairman_meow
16:07	assbot	Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
16:08	fidogeh	thanks
16:08	fidogeh	!jd
16:08	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 15892 BTC profit, 34.7k BTC invested, 1055.93 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered
16:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06685 = 0.468 BTC [-]
16:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC
16:23	kakobrekla	lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still
16:23	kakobrekla	http://i.imgur.com/0xOVD5F.png
16:24	fluffypony	why did they delete that post?
16:24	kakobrekla	cause they are retards
16:25	kakobrekla	this was posted in garrs thread after he said that i should stop with the slander and that he has bigger fish to fry.
16:25	kakobrekla	so i gave him a big hot pan, for the fish, you see.
16:25	bounce	how long ago was that, then?
16:26	kakobrekla	months
16:26	bounce	nicely useless accompanying message. about as useful as the usual redmondian "help" message
16:28	bounce	gah. hungry again.
16:31	cgcardona_	bounce.eat('grinds')
16:34	mircea_popescu	peterl two things. one is that you're using 1024 bytes which is weak. get a 4096
16:34	mircea_popescu	the other is that signature reads out 4467A7237ADAB076. benkay has the details.
16:34	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hey there >D
16:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00097636 = 18.5508 BTC [+] {2}
16:37	chairman_meow	1024 is predicted to be broken by 2020
16:37	mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete til tatiana moroz lol
16:37	gribble	The operation succeeded.
16:37	chairman_meow	i mean we already broke 768
16:38	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
16:38	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.13, Best ask: 503.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 503.0, 24 hour volume: 22144.44984103, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 537.24, 24 hour vwap: 506.489030396
16:40	mircea_popescu	o look at that, garcia marquez croaked.
16:40	nubbins`	what?
16:40	nubbins`	i was talking about him like two days ago
16:41	mircea_popescu	prolly what did it.
16:41	kakobrekla	o hey you are fast mp
16:42	nubbins`	no doubt :(
16:42	nubbins`	shame
16:42	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla faster than a speedin' bullet.
16:42	nubbins`	guy wrote beautiful prose
16:42	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551698.0
16:42	ozbot	[IPO Launch April 16 2014] Symmetric Step Trading
16:43	mircea_popescu	"Flight attendant informs me electrical outlets don't work when the "Fasten Seatbelt" sign is on. Explains, "The plane was made in Canada.""
16:43	kakobrekla	lol, we saw this we saw that herp derp we will not come to -assets.
16:43	mircea_popescu	"The two Symmetric Step partners have been "lurkers" on this forum since mid 2013. "
16:43	kakobrekla	mircea_popescu they are too big for wot!
16:43	mircea_popescu	"We profit from disparities in the demand curves for bitcoins on separate cryptocurrency exchanges."
16:43	mircea_popescu	this is such a novel idea that worked out so well for all the previous experts.
16:44	mircea_popescu	i hope they at least offer 7% a week.
16:44	kakobrekla	lol
16:44	mircea_popescu	jesus i have a huge pile of news here.
16:44	mircea_popescu	http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526726/broad-institute-gets-patent-on-revolutionary-gene-editing-method/
16:44	ozbot	Broad Institute Gets Patent on Revolutionary Gene-Editing Method | MIT Technology Review
16:46	nubbins`	they make planes in canada? :D
16:46	mircea_popescu	where do you think all those beercans go
16:46	nubbins`	wait, bombardier
16:47	nubbins`	also avro arrow, RIP
16:47	mircea_popescu	i thought bombardier made train cars.
16:49	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ as you can see, us shutting up is actually beneficial.
16:49	nubbins`	all types of stuff
16:50	kakobrekla	fine, ill just ban the conference attendance.
16:50	mircea_popescu	benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more. << this should be tested.
16:50	mircea_popescu	who has a +1 in the assbot wot and volunteers for a little experiment ?
16:50	cgcardona_	awwww yea I'm in the top 20 for the last 7 days! (not sure if this is a good thing or not)
16:50	nubbins`	mostly prop planes, i think
16:50	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
16:50	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
16:51	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ listen, im going to negrate you. then you part channel, join it again and try to up yourself with assbot.
16:51	mircea_popescu	k ?
16:51	cgcardona_	sure
16:51	mircea_popescu	;;rated cgcardona_
16:51	gribble	You have not yet rated user cgcardona_
16:51	cgcardona_	when I reenter should do I need to reauth w/ gribble first
16:51	mircea_popescu	;;rate cgcardona_ -5 testing assbot
16:51	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
16:51	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ prolly not
16:51	cgcardona_	test
16:51	cgcardona_	ok i'll try
16:51	cgcardona_	brb
16:51	mircea_popescu	you gotta part to lose voice first
16:51	cgcardona_	ok
16:51	nubbins`	wow
16:52	kakobrekla	depends if you and gribble have another common channel
16:52	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: according to these stats, you don't shut up :D
16:52	kakobrekla	if you dont, you need to reath
16:52	kakobrekla	reauth
16:52	mircea_popescu	nubbins` this is true.
16:52	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ did it work ? (pm)
16:53	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
16:53	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
16:53	mircea_popescu	meh
16:53	kakobrekla	it went down just one point!?
16:53	mircea_popescu	yes cause assbot trusts us to 1
16:54	cgcardona_	mircea_popescu: sorry dude. had to reauth w/ gribble.
16:54	mircea_popescu	aha kk.
16:54	mircea_popescu	;;unrate cgcardona_
16:54	gribble	Successfully removed your rating for cgcardona_.
16:54	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla max of -1 passed cause assbot trust is 1
16:54	kakobrekla	seems weird
16:55	mircea_popescu	notrly, it's how it works.
16:55	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ thanks for halping.
16:55	cgcardona_	np
16:55	kakobrekla	then how it works is weird.
16:55	mircea_popescu	whai ?
16:56	kakobrekla	im not sure
16:56	mircea_popescu	scam.
16:57	kakobrekla	the logic does not seem apparent
16:57	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla a l2 connection can not pass more trust (either + or -) than the l1 connection.
16:57	mircea_popescu	if i trust you worth a 5, people you trust are worth to me up to 5, from +5 to -5
16:57	kakobrekla	O_O
16:58	kakobrekla	now you are just making stuff up
16:58	kakobrekla	why da fuck would +5 limit negative to -5
16:58	kakobrekla	this is wrong.
16:58	mircea_popescu	why ?
16:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00097687 = 16.3626 BTC [+] {2}
16:59	kakobrekla	so a +1 will limit negative to -1 ?
16:59	mircea_popescu	i think this is cannonical wot.
16:59	mircea_popescu	yes.
16:59	cgcardona_	but can't you just always rate someone directly w/ a +/- 1 ?
16:59	kakobrekla	how is this better over leaving it to go to -10
16:59	cgcardona_	my point being if you're limited by what you can rate based on it being a l2 connection
16:59	cgcardona_	can't you just make it a l1 connection and rate them directly?
17:00	cgcardona_	<----------(still learning)
17:00	nubbins`	hm
17:00	nubbins`	;;rated gigavps
17:00	gribble	You have not yet rated user gigavps
17:00	nubbins`	;;gettrust gigavps
17:00	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=gigavps | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gigavps | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011
17:00	nubbins`	he's right
17:00	nubbins`	i had no idea
17:01	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ you can only rate someone directly. but we're discussing the impact of your ratings from assbot's pov
17:01	cgcardona_	got it. Don't mean to weigh in w/ deadweight questions. thanks
17:02	nubbins`	there are no dw questions, just dw people
17:02	nubbins`	JUST KIDDING :D
17:02	cgcardona_	heh
17:02	benkay	;;rate mlapeter 1 doge guy
17:02	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
17:02	mircea_popescu	da fuck
17:03	nubbins`	tbh it took me forever to realize that l2 + ratings were limited by your rating of the l1 intermediary
17:03	nubbins`	that's what ya get for not Ring TFM
17:03	benkay	;;ident mlapeter
17:03	gribble	Nick 'mlapeter', with hostmask 'mlapeter!~mlapeter@c-76-115-3-99.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.
17:03	mircea_popescu	davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore << i can see why.
17:03	Namworld	Wait, what? That Symmetric Step thread mentions me.
17:04	davout	mircea_popescu: ><
17:04	davout	heh
17:04	fluffypony	Namworld: apparently you defaulted
17:04	mircea_popescu	mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself << this is a very old discussion. you can start with 2012 : http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/
17:04	fluffypony	and the lurkers saw it
17:04	mircea_popescu	Namworld im not reading that shit, cliffnotes ?
17:05	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: "We were here during the rise and fall of BTC-TC and during the fall of BitFunder. We saw Ukyo and Namworld default and we saw the TradeFortress long con come to its conclusion. We witnessed Deprived return from the dead and disappear again. We have watched Hannah say "see here" about once for every hour of every day in a year. We saw Labcoin meltdown and ActiveMining fade."
17:05	Namworld	I wasn't aware I did. I must not have gotten the news. Maybe I should stop repayments and go fill in for bankruptcy then?
17:05	mircea_popescu	fluffypony heh. nothing like a little narrative namedropping to establish forum "cred".
17:05	fluffypony	the rest of the "IPO" is basically "send us 100 BTC and we'll pay dividends. we promise."
17:05	mircea_popescu	Namworld either that or stop reading forum derpage :p
17:06	fluffypony	I swear I'm going to do an IPO on the forum and call myself Bitcoin_Hipster and talk about how I was into everything before it was cool
17:06	Namworld	Bwahaha ^
17:07	mircea_popescu	iirc this was a 2013 thing.
17:07	mircea_popescu	people took it seriously.
17:08	mircea_popescu	mrstickball other than that, you have no fundraising options. stfu, lurk for the next year, come back not sounding like an offensive jerkoff.
17:15	benkay	how wude
17:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC
17:16	mircea_popescu	eh radom cyphertrade expert opining on shit as if the fecal content of his cranial cavity is now worthy of consideration.
17:16	mircea_popescu	people need a jolt.
17:18	mircea_popescu	if i may be excused a repost, http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/
17:18	mircea_popescu	wow.
17:18	mircea_popescu	i had no idea reddit is THAT shitty.
17:18	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah
17:18	fluffypony	it's absurd
17:18	fluffypony	and it's a default sub with ~5 mil subscribers
17:19	cgcardona_	fwiw the bitcoin discussions on the /r/bitcoin subreddit are pretty bad. I bet it brought out the super trolls to the /r/technology subreddit. still yea it's pretty bad
17:19	mircea_popescu	mpoe-pr started a trend!!1
17:20	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ i can see what the cause was, but my problem is with the mental process.
17:20	mircea_popescu	this is not unlike "fixing" problems by setting a filter before the log
17:20	mircea_popescu	so particular stuff doesn't end up in the log anymore. so no more log messages, so problem fixed.
17:21	cgcardona_	mass market solution to a mass market product
17:21	benkay	troll who can master gpg probably realizes they can actually do stuff and gives up trolling to make a living
17:21	mircea_popescu	benkay so the hope goes.
17:21	fluffypony	heh
17:21	benkay	just being user friendly, mircea_popescu
17:22	mircea_popescu	benkay we can't all be assholes.
17:22	benkay	i prefer people to realize i'm an asshole like three weeks later.
17:22	benkay	as me ma sed 'manners aren't about making people feel good. they're about plausible deniability.'
17:23	mircea_popescu	The filter is gone now, and we'll look to have full human moderator coverage in future.” << paid for... wait for it... REDDIT GOLD!!1
17:23	benkay	woman's a bit of a knut
17:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00097728 = 11.483 BTC [+]
17:24	mircea_popescu	benkay im not a nazi, i can tolerate polite people just like i can tolerate homosexuals. just as long as they don't try to persuade me we're fine :D
17:24	fluffypony	so there's this sub-reddit called dogeillionaires, for dogecoin holders with over 1 mil dogecoin (1.2 BTC or so)...so I grabbed dogeillionaires.com, and the sub-reddit creator threw a tantrum because I'm cybersquatting and I'm making a power play (wtf)
17:24	mircea_popescu	"Flappy" ? wtf is flappy ?
17:25	fluffypony	so I told him he could have it if he asked nicely
17:25	mircea_popescu	fluffypony fill it with doge sucks material lol
17:25	kakobrekla	flappycoin dude.
17:25	fluffypony	so he says he'll send me 5 Doge to make it binding
17:25	fluffypony	so I tried to explain GPG contracts to him
17:25	mircea_popescu	waitwut ?! 5mn doge ?
17:25	fluffypony	used the bitcoin-otc link
17:25	fluffypony	and he didn't understand it
17:25	Apocalyptic	not mn I fear mircea
17:25	mircea_popescu	sounds like he's in the right place then
17:26	mircea_popescu	;;google Flappy
17:26	gribble	Play Flappy Bird: <http://flappybird.io/>; Make Your Own Flappy Bird - Code.org: <http://learn.code.org/s/6/level/148>; Flappy Bert - Sesame Street: <http://www.sesamestreet.org/cms-static/flappy_bert/>
17:26	davout	fluffypony: if you're giving it away there's no real point in making a contract anyway
17:26	mircea_popescu	srsly wtf flappy.
17:26	fluffypony	so eventually I just got pissed and told him that if he even wanted to be peripherally involved in cryptocurrency he should learn that sending 5 doge doth not a contract make
17:26	fluffypony	davout: you can't transfer for the first 60 days
17:26	benkay	dogillionaire? what is that, 0.01 btc?
17:26	kakobrekla	;;google flappycoin
17:26	gribble	FlappyCoin - The next addictive digital crypto coin: <http://flappycoin.info/>; [ANN][FLAP] FlappyCoin REBIRTH - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464743>; FlappyCoin Community - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Flappycoin>
17:26	fluffypony	davout: he wanted to make sure I didn't change my mind in 60 days
17:26	fluffypony	I told him to check my WoT rating:-P
17:26	benkay	fluffypony: invite him in here.
17:26	kakobrekla	its like dogecoin but it has a bird instead of dog.
17:26	benkay	kakobrekla stop misleading the man
17:26	fluffypony	benkay: he's ignoring me now
17:26	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla a srsly ? i see.
17:27	benkay	flappy bird made someone a lot of press accidentally
17:27	davout	fluffypony: so you give him something, for free, he wants you to sign a statement saying you won't retract? weird
17:27	kakobrekla	benkay =? is it no?
17:27	kakobrekla	not?
17:27	BingoBoingo	Next coin: Floppy coin. Instead of a dog or a bird, it is just a bored dick.
17:27	benkay	;;google flappy bird
17:27	gribble	Play Flappy Bird: <http://flappybird.io/>; Flappy Bird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flappy_Bird>; Flappy Bird - Play on Crazy Games: <http://www.crazygames.com/game/flappy-bird>
17:27	kakobrekla	the what?
17:27	mircea_popescu	davout it wouldn't seem weird if you spent more time among doge people, reddit "millionaires" and so forth.
17:27	fluffypony	" from autodoge [-5] sent 2 days ago
17:27	fluffypony	Hello, Due to your disrespect and lack of understanding of the concept "you have lost the privilege of my reading your messages," you have lost the privilege of my acknowledging you at all. Cheers,
17:27	fluffypony	auto"
17:27	TomServo	+benkay | fluffypony: invite him in here. << please no.
17:27	fluffypony	I disrespected him!
17:27	davout	fluffypony: here, have some nail clippings, that'll make it binding
17:27	mircea_popescu	fluffypony did this person grow up in a foster home ?
17:28	benkay	TomServo: public canings set policy.
17:28	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I think he's paranoid schizophrenic, to be honest
17:28	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Do you still have the domain?
17:28	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: of course
17:28	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: How much for you to just point it at my blag?
17:29	mircea_popescu	fluffypony being a paranoid schzophrenic is fucking expensive. if every fucktard were the holy grail of mental disease mayne mental science would make some progress.
17:29	mircea_popescu	alas, they never have enough good ones.
17:29	davout	fluffypony: put some forum up, make it the "real" place for dogillionaires to gather
17:29	fluffypony	here's another convo he had that pissed someone else off, the dude is clearly crazy: http://i.imgur.com/C5yDOVW.png
17:29	Apocalyptic	imo a redirect to trilema would be better
17:29	mircea_popescu	fluffypony how much to just point it at http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ ?
17:29	mircea_popescu	i could use a shortener for that long ass url.
17:30	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: no need, CloudFlare has nice little 302 redirect rules, so the URL can stay long
17:30	davout	i could use a dick shortener
17:30	mircea_popescu	davout for your gf ?
17:30	Azelphur	^ said no man ever
17:30	fluffypony	davout: but then your outie would become an innie
17:31	fluffypony	http://dogeillionaires.com
17:31	fluffypony	chang chang
17:31	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ What's the general consensus on Ethereum? << premined scamcoin, basically.
17:31	davout	fluffypony: haha nice
17:31	jurov	davout, afterwards can i have a little experiment involving you?
17:31	kakobrekla	o fuck , nh hotel burned trilema credits :(
17:31	mircea_popescu	fluffypony what do i owe ?
17:31	cgcardona_	MP dude you're a champ for going back through the logs.
17:32	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla pm me your ip ?
17:32	davout	jurov: sure, as long as it does not involve detaching any limbs from my body
17:32	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: it's cool, I'll bank the favour till I have something worthwhile to ask :)
17:32	kakobrekla	we can try but dunno if its static
17:32	TomServo	fluffypony: nice.
17:32	mircea_popescu	lmao
17:32	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ i actually enjoy it tbh. i was supposed to be asleep by now, but it's like a drug, this chan.
17:32	mircea_popescu	!up bgupta
17:32	assbot	Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.
17:32	mircea_popescu	bgupta srsly, getr in the wot.
17:33	jurov	davout it'll be about the innie, not ur limbs
17:33	davout	gross
17:33	fluffypony	lol
17:35	davout	http://i.imgur.com/b4tlML2.png <<< bwhahaha
17:35	benkay	lady v just said that she wants the apartment to look like "the good witch and the mad scientist build a fort in the woods"
17:35	mircea_popescu	benkay you being the good witch ?!
17:36	benkay	step it up mp for chrissake
17:36	TomServo	;;rate fluffypony 1 Trying to show the dogeillionaries.com the error of their ways
17:36	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
17:36	fluffypony	hah, thanks
17:36	mircea_popescu	ok, favour all paid :D
17:37	fluffypony	hah
17:37	fluffypony	not a chance :-P
17:37	fluffypony	btw "Cars crash all the time, is that a lesson not to drive ?"
17:37	fluffypony	I agree
17:39	mircea_popescu	fluffypony i don't drive.
17:39	benkay	mircea_popescu: is this domain.com/avatar.jpg thing a relic of internets past?
17:39	fluffypony	we don't have a choice here, crappy/nonexistent public transport system
17:40	rithm	driving is for plebes
17:40	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTres I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago << ok that's the most perverse thing i read on here.
17:40	mircea_popescu	benkay no, it's a relic of me being pissed off at gravatar \trying to force you to login on their shithole site.
17:40	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/jos-gravatarcom/ << article at the time
17:40	ozbot	Jos Gravatar.com pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
17:42	benkay	rather nifty.
17:43	mircea_popescu	i kinda like it myself.
17:43	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller actually got himself a nice cookie avvie.
17:43	benkay	cookie avatar? how even?
17:43	benkay	oh nvm i see.
17:43	benkay	av is ck.
17:44	benkay	subject of cock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY
17:44	fluffypony	holy cow, does Inaba have the lowest trust rating in the forum?
17:44	mircea_popescu	somehow i doubt that
17:44	benkay	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=82
17:44	ozbot	Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube
17:44	fluffypony	well over 3 times higher than TradeFortress' negative trust
17:45	mircea_popescu	how about pirate ?
17:45	fluffypony	but at any rate, this comment is...interesting to read now; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1337606#msg1337606
17:45	mircea_popescu	shakaru ?
17:46	fluffypony	pirate = -12
17:46	benkay	nope even that one's wrong
17:46	benkay	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=235
17:46	ozbot	Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube
17:46	mircea_popescu	fluffypony read side by side with http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/
17:46	fluffypony	shakaru = -4
17:46	fluffypony	Inaba = -1468
17:46	mircea_popescu	nefario ?
17:46	fluffypony	TradeFortress = -451
17:46	bgupta	mircea_popescu: eauth’ed
17:47	fluffypony	nefario = -4
17:47	Apocalyptic	"There is no way in hell you're going to get Joe Sixpack to use either site." // it didn't occur to him that perhaps this was not the goal
17:47	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot bgupta
17:47	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bgupta: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bgupta | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bgupta | Rated since: Thu Jun 9 06:49:47 2011
17:47	mircea_popescu	;;rate bgupta 1 New blood.
17:47	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bgupta has been recorded.
17:47	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic because joe sixpack is derping around on the nyse like... erryday.
17:47	Apocalyptic	obviously
17:48	fluffypony	yeah
17:48	fluffypony	that part seems to be non-obvious to most
17:48	Apocalyptic	I guess he also think everyone can be and is entitled to be an investor
17:48	mircea_popescu	kinda funny to put "new blood" ratings on a 2011 wot profile
17:49	mircea_popescu	bgupta now you can voice yourself, id with gribble and pm assbot !up
17:49	kakobrekla	well, such is the world of tanks.
17:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 550 @ 0.14 = 77 BTC
17:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20576 @ 0.00097625 = 20.0873 BTC [-] {2}
17:49	mircea_popescu	anyone here even remember foodstamp ?
17:50	kakobrekla	i do
17:50	mircea_popescu	how young we were.
17:50	*	fluffypony doesn't
17:50	fluffypony	clue me in?
17:50	mircea_popescu	i srsly never felt as aged irl as i do in 3 years of btc.
17:50	bgupta	I do
17:50	kakobrekla	well, im still young, grandpa.
17:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00097208 = 3.0621 BTC [-]
17:50	mircea_popescu	fluffypony one of the original money order scammers
17:51	fluffypony	ah ok
17:52	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503566.msg6272884#msg6272884
17:52	ozbot	Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans
17:52	kakobrekla	so, i rate the guy half a year ago, note not to do biz with
17:52	mircea_popescu	what again ?
17:52	kakobrekla	this is what happens.
17:52	mircea_popescu	didn't they do that a few months ago too ?
17:53	kakobrekla	the post is by deadterra
17:53	kakobrekla	and below
17:53	kakobrekla	"IS ONE SCAM NOT ENOUGH? PAY OUT THE ICEDRILL DIVIDENDS."
17:53	mircea_popescu	whooooa wait wait. safello was eirk's whatever, sorta-bitpay for iceland or something, no ?
17:53	mircea_popescu	what connection to icedrill ?
17:53	kakobrekla	the connection is deadterra
17:53	kakobrekla	he is a fuckin idiot.
17:53	kakobrekla	possibly scammy.
17:54	mircea_popescu	i c
17:54	kakobrekla	i think erik lost his compass
17:54	Apocalyptic	kinda sad to read
17:55	kakobrekla	;;rated deadterra
17:55	gribble	You rated user deadterra on Wed Sep 4 18:41:21 2013, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: sloppy opprtunistic unreliable, bad at what he does, avoid.
17:55	kakobrekla	fyi.
17:56	mircea_popescu	;;rated deadterra
17:56	gribble	You have not yet rated user deadterra
17:56	mircea_popescu	isn't this like the only PT op that ended up on my ignore ?
17:57	kakobrekla	i dunno what grows on your ignore garden
17:57	Apocalyptic	he's a 'Donator', that usually is a good clue
17:57	BingoBoingo	Lowest trust I've seen on Bitcointalk is Garr255 with -2456 trust
17:57	kakobrekla	lol
17:57	mircea_popescu	ahaha slander.
17:58	kakobrekla	yeah shut up BingoBoingo, fishes, pans, frying.
17:59	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: It's only wrong because the fish he fries is his self
17:59	kakobrekla	:)
18:01	mircea_popescu	davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho << what are you, like a quaker ?!
18:02	BingoBoingo	His ugly, ugly fish self
18:02	davout	mircea_popescu fluffypony what i meant is more something like "by someone else than the nsa", but like i said, i could be dead wrong about it :-)
18:02	mircea_popescu	a, like that it has more of a leg.
18:03	mircea_popescu	someone's name really is "buster roni" ?!
18:04	mircea_popescu	davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica << how ?!
18:04	davout	mircea_popescu: tihan seale told me he owned bitcoin.com, or the fund or whatever he was representing
18:05	mircea_popescu	http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-censorship-technology-drama-default/
18:05	ozbot	Reddit strips r/technology's default status amid moderator turmoil
18:05	mircea_popescu	le wow.
18:05	mircea_popescu	davout and this is credible, because tihan seale didn't lie about pretty much every other thing he said, ever.
18:05	mircea_popescu	if the guy said he had terminal aids cancer he got from prostituting himself for nickles i'd suspect it.
18:06	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I think that's his nick...busterroni, like pepperoni
18:06	mircea_popescu	because nuts rarely lie towards humiliating themselves.
18:06	mircea_popescu	but claiming he like... owns shit ? heh.
18:06	davout	mircea_popescu: in the context of the conversation we had he didn't really have a motive to lie about it, but hey, who knows
18:06	mircea_popescu	fluffypony not a bad one. he could make a great pepperoni pizza brand
18:06	fluffypony	heh
18:07	mircea_popescu	fluffypony how do you know this stickball character btw ?
18:08	benkay	mrs tick ball
18:08	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: we're in a similar business space, I've bought from him and he's bought from me
18:08	fluffypony	and there's a lot of shared interest
18:08	fluffypony	buyahash is going to be carrying some OpenRigs products soon, for eg.
18:08	mircea_popescu	this is telling me exactly nothing, but asyway.
18:09	fluffypony	well there's been an exchange of money and product several times and neither party has screwed the other over
18:09	mircea_popescu	so this makes your butcher an amazing person or you don't eat meat ?
18:09	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
18:09	fluffypony	wife is vegetarian, but I love me some ribs
18:10	*	fluffypony ponders
18:10	fluffypony	look, to go full circle back to that "why do we trust" discussion
18:10	fluffypony	a lot of it is based on successful, successive interactions
18:11	fluffypony	I've had enough interactions with him to think him a trustworthy, reasonably competent fellow
18:11	fluffypony	amazing was being a little tongue-in-cheek
18:11	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
18:11	mircea_popescu	notrly how this works. so did you lend him fiddy bux ten times and he repaid every time or did you deliver him $5mn worth of widgets on net30 which he paid for as agreed.
18:11	fluffypony	!up mrstickball
18:11	assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
18:12	mrstickball	so what is being questioned of me?
18:12	fluffypony	well if I must distill the rating into something more concise
18:12	fluffypony	;;rated mrstickball
18:12	gribble	You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 14:41:43 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash.
18:12	mrstickball	!gettrust mrstickball
18:12	mrstickball	;gettrust mrstickball
18:12	mircea_popescu	!down mrstickball
18:12	davout	;;gettrust mrstickball
18:12	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user davout to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
18:12	davout	;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
18:12	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
18:13	fluffypony	;;rate mrstickball 4 runs buy-a-hash, which carries openrigs products, and have had several large financial interactions (purchases/sales)
18:13	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mrstickball has changed from 4 to 4.
18:14	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: better?
18:14	mrstickball	There we go
18:14	mircea_popescu	fluffypony notrly but anyway.
18:15	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: ok so then be specific, because the rating is nowhere near a 10 and contains as much info as I can pack into that shortform
18:15	mircea_popescu	well, not to be a bore, but didja read the what wot is how to use it article ?
18:15	mrstickball	mircea_popescu: my company is a known quantity. So I guess you should ask specific questions of me
18:17	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I have, and I don't see how my rating excludes anyone contacting me for more info?
18:17	mrstickball	if you're asking me, yes. I never requested ratings by anyone I've done trades with
18:17	mircea_popescu	but ... i just did contact you for more info.
18:17	mrstickball	admittedly, its been a few months since I dealt with WoT and gribble to re-auth
18:17	mrstickball	Through which channel?
18:17	mrstickball	this?
18:18	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: by your own example, you should ask for more information with a purpose - "I am considering buying a used car from Moe. I see that you have rated him in the past. How did that go ?"
18:18	mircea_popescu	i was trying to evaluate whether the guy should be salvaged or i should just ignore him.
18:18	mircea_popescu	meanwhile i ignored him so the point is moot.
18:18	mrstickball	heh
18:18	mrstickball	praise from caesar
18:19	fluffypony	I think it's whisky time, my brain is frazzled :-P
18:19	mrstickball	I gotta head to church anyway
18:24	mircea_popescu	"Of course we had our servicemen behind the self-defense units of Crimea," Putin said during an annual televised call-in with the nation on Thursday.
18:24	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that settles that eh.
18:25	fluffypony	http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/
18:25	ozbot	That flyer about Jews needing to 'register' in Ukraine is fake
18:25	fluffypony	well
18:25	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly so.
18:25	TomServo	Is that regarding a bet you made BingoBoingo?
18:25	BingoBoingo	TomServo: One I wrote.
18:26	BingoBoingo	Like many bets, with a time machine the specs could have been better.
18:26	mircea_popescu	!up Kleeck
18:26	assbot	Voicing Kleeck for 30 minutes.
18:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06695 = 0.2678 BTC [+]
18:26	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: I can sell you a time machine for cheap
18:26	BingoBoingo	http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/#c2822
18:26	ozbot	BitBet - Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo
18:26	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Define "Time Machine"
18:27	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: for the low, low cost of only 1000 Buttcoins, I will provide a machine that allows you to effortlessly move through time*
18:27	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Well I move through time in one direction easily enough already
18:28	fluffypony	ok you've caught me, that's pretty much what it does
18:28	Apocalyptic	.d
18:28	ozbot	6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1982 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.7887% in 10d 21h 12m 22s
18:28	fluffypony	* forward direction only, movement in real-time only
18:28	mircea_popescu	jurov TestingUnoDosTres actually im fucking fascinated by the notion of... trading bitbet bets ?!
18:30	TomServo	So what's the deal with lack of insignia anyhow?
18:30	mircea_popescu	nubbins` hey, good you're ok.
18:31	mircea_popescu	TomServo budget cuts ?
18:31	BingoBoingo	TomServo: Lawful combatant status
18:31	fluffypony	uniforms weren't ready on time
18:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.000971 = 6.8485 BTC [-]
18:33	fluffypony	expectation vs. reality: http://i.imgur.com/sShi4uM.jpg
18:33	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still << they purging old threads you mean ?!
18:34	kakobrekla	looks like
18:34	kakobrekla	that post was months old.
18:34	mircea_popescu	odd.
18:34	fluffypony	maybe they're banning sarcasm?
18:35	fluffypony	right enough for one night, I need to sleep, cheers
18:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00097087 = 4.5145 BTC [-] {2}
18:36	mircea_popescu	"The week after Thanksgiving, 40 Clinkle employees gathered in the kitchen of their San Francisco office. It was the second time in two days they’d been called together for an all-hands meeting."
18:36	mircea_popescu	the importance of the kitchen for tech start-ups : if you hold the meeting there, even the women can participate.
18:40	kakobrekla	ok i found the original
18:40	kakobrekla	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/starting-a-new-fpga-mining-farm-contract-cognitive-resurrected-on-havelock.47052/page-109#post-4510378
18:40	ozbot	Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] | Page 109 | Bitcointa.l
18:41	kakobrekla	jan 26.
18:41	kakobrekla	so like 4 months old?
18:41	mircea_popescu	i guess forum got upgraded, mods got hired, it's going to get like all cleared up nao.
18:42	kakobrekla	if i had to make a bet, id say garr made the complaint.
18:42	kakobrekla	while he is in hiding.
18:42	BingoBoingo	;;later tell moiety are you Snail2 on bitcointalk... Their avatar appears to be a Manul
18:42	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:43	mircea_popescu	"this month i will pay dividends in deleted posts on a forum people who like to talk about bitcoin write for other people who like to talk about bitcoin"
18:43	kakobrekla	lol.
18:44	TomServo	I hurt myself reading that.
18:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012392 = 0.2478 BTC [-] {3}
18:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.00599099 = 0.2396 BTC [+] {3}
18:46	mircea_popescu	"Clinkle is also building out a robust rewards system with gamification elements. For example, if you use Clinkle to buy things, you might earn a free coffee. "
18:46	mircea_popescu	i hurt myself reading THAT
18:46	mircea_popescu	who the fuck is so destitute they can't afford a coffee the moment they want one, and who the fuck would want such a person within a mile.
18:47	mircea_popescu	for that matter, when did coffee become comodized anyway. "a coffee" means nothing, unless it means sex.
18:47	BingoBoingo	Someone who was never forced to stop being a college student?
18:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 850 @ 0.00015604 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {3}
18:47	mircea_popescu	you know, universities force dorks to pay 10's of k's a year to be college students.
18:47	mircea_popescu	none of these apps ever will.
18:51	BingoBoingo	I don't think I've ever paid tuition in my life
18:51	mircea_popescu	o hey, i grew up in a communist country too.
18:52	artifexd	Is ThickAsThieves in Romania yet? I need his help.
18:53	BingoBoingo	lol
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286245 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {3}
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.06589816 = 1.5816 BTC [-] {8}
18:57	BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/17/kids_in_nightclubs_new_york_clubs_host_parties_for_children_6_12.html
18:57	ozbot	Kids in nightclubs: New York clubs host parties for children 6-12.
19:00	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: isn't your thing today?
19:00	thestringpuller	shouldn't you be off doing secret society illuminati shit?
19:01	TomServo	BingoBoingo: lol
19:02	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller that was earlier.
19:02	TomServo	There was some terrible BS on vice about the 'baby DJ school'
19:03	BingoBoingo	TomServo: My favorite part of the story is the parents taking their medicine at the bar
		~ 15 minutes ~
19:19	thestringpuller	I think this is the harshest review tag I've ever seen >> "You don't need a heart to like this movie. You need an MBA."
19:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0645125 = 0.7742 BTC [-] {2}
19:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
19:32	mircea_popescu	mbas aren't that bad are they
19:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097087 = 16.6019 BTC [-]
19:44	BingoBoingo	;;tslb
19:44	gribble	Time since last block: 26 minutes and 29 seconds
19:44	thestringpuller	http://mpex.co/assets/s.mpoe-2FB7B452.txt is there a reason 4 repeats at the end
19:47	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller how does it repeat ?
19:47	mircea_popescu	jesus what a mess.
19:47	thestringpuller	4.3. This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx.ch calendar month.
19:48	thestringpuller	dunno how it got obfuscated
19:48	mircea_popescu	it looks like a nutty copy/paste error that somehow nobody picked on in... years ?
19:48	thestringpuller	i haven't verified the sig lol oh well sorry to bring you bad news
19:48	thestringpuller	or weird news
19:48	thestringpuller	OR WEIRD SCIENCE
19:48	thestringpuller	just very bored
19:49	mircea_popescu	well good for you.
19:49	mircea_popescu	the 2nd 2 should be a 3 too so i guess next week is mpoe contract update day o.o
19:56	mircea_popescu	http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 << this is pretty lulzy to read in para-lel with brilliant
19:57	mircea_popescu	"I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back
19:57	mircea_popescu	to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of “thinking” I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."
19:57	mircea_popescu	!up joe_blow
19:57	assbot	Voicing joe_blow for 30 minutes.
19:58	mircea_popescu	"There were culture-building events like parties and baseball games. Employees would dress up for Wacky Wednesdays, sip mimosas on Fridays during lunch, and sunbathe on the office roof deck. Duplan was quickly becoming a star around Stanford’s campus — prompting both awe and jealousy — and not everyone was a fan."
20:00	mircea_popescu	.d
20:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0639717 = 1.4074 BTC [-] {4}
20:04	mircea_popescu	otherwise, almost neobee to a fault. "The growth teams met ambitious goals by targeting the most influential students on campus, such as group presidents and fraternity and sorority leaders. The leaders were shown some images from the website, and the deal was sealed with a compelling prize: If the entire organization signed up for Clinkle’s waitlist, then all of them downloaded the app on the day it became available
20:04	mircea_popescu	, the group could win a $500 party, spa visit or stereo-system package. None of the pitches included a demo of the actual app."
20:04	mircea_popescu	this sort of retarded shit's becoming something like the new normal.
20:08	BingoBoingo	"After the sales team hit its 100,000 sign-up milestone on a Wednesday in late September, Clinkle paid for a “booze bus” to take them out partying that Friday. Two days later, a dozen people who had been on that bus received a phone call from Clinkle’s management team. The message: Don’t come into work tomorrow — you’re fired.
20:08	BingoBoingo	Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4#ixzz2zBxYIrmw
20:08	BingoBoingo	"
20:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06279904 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}
20:11	thestringpuller	lololol
20:11	thestringpuller	business insider is powered by mongodb?!?!?
20:11	thestringpuller	like
20:11	thestringpuller	uh
20:11	thestringpuller	what?
20:14	BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Interesting how these things reveal themselves
20:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13790 @ 0.00097298 = 13.4174 BTC [+] {2}
20:25	mircea_popescu	One described the way engineers were treated versus everyone else as a “caste system” within Clinkle. Another said there was “segregation in terms of how departments were treated by management.”
20:25	mircea_popescu	For example, only engineers, some designers and product people were given stock. And some of the other departments, such as operations, were asked to do menial tasks for the engineers.
20:25	mircea_popescu	holy shit.
20:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19910 @ 0.0009755 = 19.4222 BTC [+]
20:25	mircea_popescu	HOW do these people expect a fucking company to work already ?
20:25	mircea_popescu	facebook is responsible i swear. every nutcase imagines himself randi zuckerberg now.
20:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9179 @ 0.00097085 = 8.9114 BTC [-] {2}
20:27	artifexd	I guess the programmers weren't perceived as fungible at Clinkle.
20:28	mircea_popescu	zing :D
20:30	mircea_popescu	"The sound technology, the source says, doesn’t yet work. A noise as common as a blender in the background at a coffee shop might cause it to malfunction."
20:30	mircea_popescu	they were not fungible, they were fucktarded.
20:30	mircea_popescu	no checksum bits, seriously ?
20:32	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: so this new article on trilema...
20:33	mircea_popescu	hm ?
20:33	thestringpuller	"attacking the wot"
20:33	mircea_popescu	artifexd you know, im not proposing every engineer out there should be made sausage by nubbins.
20:34	mircea_popescu	but the perspective never hurt anyone.
20:34	artifexd	It absolutely does not hurt to occasionally think, "How easily could I be replaced by a small shell script?"
20:35	mircea_popescu	it just feels like it hurts
20:35	mircea_popescu	that's all.
20:35	artifexd	And, fwiw, my feelings aren't *still* hurt. :)
20:35	mircea_popescu	if you ever read dune, there's a cube in there
20:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.02754321 = 1.3221 BTC [-] {13}
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21:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0620051 = 0.6201 BTC [-]
21:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00097687 = 22.468 BTC [+] {2}
21:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.00073009 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {3}
21:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1931 @ 0.00071489 = 1.3805 BTC [-] {7}
21:14	thestringpuller	sell sell sell!
21:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1856 @ 0.00097085 = 1.8019 BTC [-]
21:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.027 = 0.135 BTC [-] {3}
21:15	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
21:15	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 495.99, vol: 19927.44828881 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 482.5, vol: 15334.15123 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 498.61, vol: 18144.33534622 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 506.65, vol: 130.98620093 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 491.5813, vol: 6521.38600000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.80348, vol: 16.26733719 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 507.577186619, vol: 108.99092749 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
21:15	BingoBoingo	;;more
21:15	gribble	average: 492.911351215
21:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5844 @ 0.00096964 = 5.6666 BTC [-]
21:21	thestringpuller	wo really mpoe?
21:29	cgcardona_	;;ticker
21:29	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.54, Best ask: 496.74, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 494.54, 24 hour volume: 19864.09287664, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 502.001018804
21:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.06292704 = 3.0205 BTC [+] {3}
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22:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0620051 = 0.31 BTC [-]
22:38	TestingUnoDosTre	Do I want persistence on a USB drive Linux that I'll be using to access/store offline funds ?
22:43	Duffer1	i'm not sure man, i just downloaded ubuntu 14.04 myself, i have no idea what best practices are
22:49	TestingUnoDosTre	didn't 14.04 just come out like... today?
22:49	nubbins`	it depends on whether you want to store keys on there or not
22:49	nubbins`	or passwords, whatever
22:49	Duffer1	ya testing
22:50	Duffer1	the last time i used linux was redhat for dummies half a lifetime ago
22:50	TestingUnoDosTre	Keys like GPG keys, or keys like private bitcoin keys?
22:50	Duffer1	so i'm not exactly up on security practices :P
22:52	TestingUnoDosTre	nubbins, let's say yes I do want to store keys there
22:53	TestingUnoDosTre	would that be yes, persistence desired?
22:54	nubbins`	i'd assume so, yes
22:55	nubbins`	for example, persistence wouldn't be an option if you were running linux from a cdr
22:55	nubbins`	because you can't save your changes
22:58	TestingUnoDosTre	But I will need persistence if I want to download some bitcoin client and maybe like python-qt4 when I first boot?
23:01	nubbins`	you will need it if you don't want to have to download a client and python every time you boot
23:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02628999 = 0.184 BTC [-] {4}
23:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05325 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2}
23:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0629999 = 0.252 BTC [+]
23:04	TestingUnoDosTre	thanks
23:09	TestingUnoDosTre	another question - thoughts on armory?
23:09	BingoBoingo	TestingUnoDosTre: Good things are said about it. The offline component is light. The online part not so much
23:13	TestingUnoDosTre	offline is what I'm looking for
23:13	BingoBoingo	TestingUnoDosTre: Well, Armory has an offline half and an online half.
23:13	TestingUnoDosTre	oh
23:15	BingoBoingo	The offline half just does signing and never should go online ever
23:16	BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/twitter-parody-account-holder-sought-in-police-raid/
23:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31106 @ 0.00097539 = 30.3405 BTC [+]
23:27	TestingUnoDosTre	internet crime
23:28	TestingUnoDosTre	fuck me in the ass I need to get out of this country quick
23:29	artifexd	!up ThickAsThieves
23:29	assbot	Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
23:29	artifexd	How goes it?
23:30	ThickAsThieves	Not bad
23:30	ThickAsThieves	I thought i didnt need to gribble auth everytime if i was nickseev id'd
23:30	artifexd	I could use your help
23:31	artifexd	Yeah. Gotta be ident for assbot to pay you any mind
23:31	ThickAsThieves	My ability to help is limited
23:31	ThickAsThieves	Sup?
23:31	artifexd	Can you appoint me as an altcoin representative?
23:31	ThickAsThieves	Lol
23:31	ThickAsThieves	No such thing
23:32	artifexd	I'm trying to grab control of #altcoin.
23:32	artifexd	You have control over therealaltcoin.org, right?
23:32	ThickAsThieves	Yes
23:32	ThickAsThieves	But i dont control Altcoin per se
23:33	ThickAsThieves	Its open source etc
23:33	artifexd	Work with me here
23:33	ThickAsThieves	Im trying to keep an open mind
23:34	ThickAsThieves	Why do u want control anyway?
23:34	artifexd	I want to set a topic to reduce the amount of OMGBBQCoin questions.
23:36	ThickAsThieves	Doesn't someone already control it?
23:36	artifexd	The founder is metabyte. He registered the channel over a year ago. Hasn't been in it for...
23:37	artifexd	44 weeks.
23:37	artifexd	He hasn't authed with nickserv in 19 weeks.
23:37	artifexd	Dude ain't around
23:39	ThickAsThieves	So rhe process for controlling it would be to state purpose and provide url?
23:41	ThickAsThieves	Seems a lil loose but i also dont get how to make someone an official rep
23:41	artifexd	Pop into #freenode. Ask a staffer to transfer control. Answer whatever questions he has. (Is it open source? Etc...)
23:42	artifexd	If you recognize me as a rep, I'm a rep.
23:42	TestingUnoDosTre	what magic is this?
23:43	artifexd	I can point them at the bitcointalk thread. And say, "See ThickAsThieves created the project. He says I am a rep. Don't believe me? Ask him."
23:43	artifexd	If they ask, say "Yep"
23:44	artifexd	The fact that the founder of the channel is long absent and his nickserv account is expired make it much easier.
23:44	artifexd	Oh. Look at you. Doing it yourself. Awesome.
23:45	ThickAsThieves	No answers in the room tho
23:45	artifexd	Staffers have been kinda lacking the last few hours.
23:45	ThickAsThieves	I only represent myself when i can
23:46	ThickAsThieves	Lessons learned etc
23:46	artifexd	It is no hurry. It is no big deal.
23:46	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Shouldn't you be getting some sleep?
23:47	ThickAsThieves	Its morning
23:47	ThickAsThieves	In Romania
23:48	ThickAsThieves	I only sleep like 5 hrs usually
23:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9866 @ 0.00097435 = 9.6129 BTC [-] {2}
23:51	TestingUnoDosTre	what in the hell is wrong with you
23:51	TestingUnoDosTre	I'm like a zombie even if I make it out with 7
23:53	ThickAsThieves	Been this way a long time i dunno

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