#trilema | 2014-03-20

mircea_popescu: so what's your internal debate on bitcoin for ccs?

00:13

huh ?

00:13

joecool but it does. you can destroy it.

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mircea_popescu: 21:09:35mircea_popescu:the jury in my head is out on the entire topic of bitcoin-backed ccs

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mircea_popescu: assuming i leave it out by accident to go take a shit or whatever, attacker can sign whatever he wants with it, i will know it happened later on when the signature counter is incremented but who knows what he'll have done by that time with my identity

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joecool well so don't do that.

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bitcoinpete maybe it works out.

00:17

ah thought there might've been more there

00:17

notrly.

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mircea_popescu: i figured you'd say as much, it does seem trivial though to echo a string into the device before key generation, have it set a default counter to 3, and require that same string to be passed to the device in order to activate signing function

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mircea_popescu: when counter hits zero cannot sign anything, need to nuke and generate new keys

00:18

what if you accidentally leave the string in paste buffer or w/e

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mircea_popescu: don't do that?

00:19

so you see my point.

00:20

device is designed to fight enemy not user.

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mircea_popescu: except the secret is worthless without the token, if someone had that secret they'd still need physical possession of the device

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ie. if you did leave your unlock key on a public computer it wouldn't matter unless the attacker also held your device

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05697271 = 0.6267 BTC [+] {4}

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bitcoinpete> from citizen: ... where's that from? labeling historical btc losses in current exchange rate is stupid fud

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.057 = 0.342 BTC [+]

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dexX7: from the article you linked, second page

00:24

like mp said… that's press for ya

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.057 = 0.399 BTC [+]

00:24

yea it's ridiculous

00:26

at least the canadian bitcoins guy had someone to blame, the flexcoin guy was just like "oops, what happened? peace up, a-town down"

00:26

ideally you'd be able to jam a pin in directly on the device to activate it but this increases cost and size substantially

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but it's probably best to never sleep

00:27

sleep is for the weak

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05800501 = 0.116 BTC [+] {2}

00:28

joecool so what if someone carries a pin ?

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.057501 = 0.115 BTC [-]

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mircea_popescu: i meant a series of numbers not a sewing device

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a

00:31

so put it in a safe when not in use.

00:31

mircea_popescu: that is not practical while traveling

00:32

why not ?

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http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/high-security-portable-briefcase-safe-p-959.html

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00:33

High Security Portable Briefcase Safe by Corporate Travel Safety (Free Shipping) - Travel Safes - Co

00:34

"Our Blockchain wallet passphrase was 10 alphanumeric upper and lowercase characters but was not as strong as it could have been, with some similarities to our passwords used on other apps. " http://www.fr33aid.com/1511/fr33-aid-bitcoins-stolen/

00:34

mircea_popescu: bolt cutters to take it and shouldn't be too hard top open in in the right environment after

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*to open

00:35

carry lube and a ziplock bag

00:35

store in anal cavity

00:36

joecool your usecase keeps shifting.

00:36

might be inconvenient at times but one rarely gets robbed while relieving oneself

00:36

was this attack of opportunity while you take a shit

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or is it someone with a fucking plasma cutter

00:37

heh, you're correct a briefcase safe will stop a casual attacker while I take a shit

00:37

anyway. ima be off for nao, so we can take shits in briefcases later :D

00:37

if it is missing while I am gone, I should be able to revoke the key in the amount of time it takes them to open it

00:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081333 = 5.368 BTC [+]

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another example of an entire "news" story without a single link: http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/here-s-how-nasa-thinks-society-will-collapse-20140318

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like they couldnt even likn to the study?

00:38

still doesn't mean I think it's a great idea to ship a product without a convenient simple auth system (easier than carrying around a heavy armored briefcase), but yeah ttyl :P

00:40

jcpham

please add no shitting in briefcases to topic

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[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00549999 = 0.5225 BTC [-]

~ 21 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0037 = 0.1554 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.0037 = 0.1887 BTC [-] {2}

01:12

Such lol Cog continues to lulz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5797428#msg5797428

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.0037 = 0.5735 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0037 = 0.185 BTC [-]

01:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00081149 = 6.6542 BTC [-]

01:32

toffoo

first missed asicminer div today in over a year+

01:39

;;later tell bitcoinpete hey frere if you need pronouns for me feel free to use my actual handle in the future

01:39

The operation succeeded.

01:39

;;later tell bitcoinpete or, you know, my name.

01:39

The operation succeeded.

01:46

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.093669 = 0.281 BTC [+]

01:47

is Goat around? whatever happened to his physical litecoins?

01:47

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.093669 = 0.6557 BTC [+] {3}

01:48

;;later tell mircea_popescu is it bitcoins pl. noun and Bitcoin proper? or Bitcoins and Bitcoin?

01:48

The operation succeeded.

01:48

BingoBoingo: is it bitcoins pl. noun and Bitcoin proper? or Bitcoins and Bitcoin?

01:48

Duffer1: I thought Smoothie had the physical litecoins

01:49

benkay: I'm still wrestling with that

01:49

he did, but Goat was going to do his own

01:49

I tend to thing Bitcoin the thing is proper, bitcoins the unit of the thing not proper

01:50

that's what i'm rolling with.

01:51

Reading the logs looks like I slept through the Journos

01:52

there wasn't much.

01:53

benkay: Like the new look

01:53

thanks

01:53

not quite there yet.

01:53

need to deploy some capital against the design to get it just right, but i've finally ripped out all the modern garbage.

01:53

nubbins` hates it, though.

01:54

Yeah, I killed my backgound image. Might make a more subdued version.

01:54

for good reason, too. while it's now free of the cruft, it lacks any actual aesthetic.

01:54

Eh, it has aesthetic benkay, the exact aesthetic the designers of the web wanted

01:54

(my colleagues would gasp in shock if they heard me opining about design)

01:55

lol

01:55

maybe not, though. i did a complete 180 on my personal image over the past four months as our firm has gained traction.

01:56

Well, things happen

01:56

went from 'scruffy *nix hacker' to 'well-groomed software shop operator and smug lisp weenie-cum-*nix-hacker'.

01:56

Maybe that is just the aging process

01:57

hush you

01:57

i have too much to do before i mature

01:57

Next step might be running open Genera in a VM as your primary operating system and depreciating the *nix things

01:57

oh if only i had the time

01:58

they probably won't allow me to make commits on the clock for much longer anyways.

01:59

Shit happens

01:59

maturation process etc.

02:06

Apparently I missed the discussion on US police

02:07

the current trend in behavior is to just toss your two cents in as you read through the logs, directed at the people making interesting comments

02:07

asynchrony!

02:09

linked 'counterparty selection' again today BingoBoingo.

02:09

;;later tell mircea_popescu For a few years now, Business Week has been a Bloomberg owned concern. Basically just pushing Bloomberg stories a bit shitter and a bit later.

02:09

The operation succeeded.

02:10

benkay: Nice. I'm rather glad I reposted that because the first instance never got any traction.

02:10

what's the rush, anyways.

02:10

Oh, there isn't much of one.

02:10

slashdot, hacker news, metafilter

02:10

here today, gone tomorrow.

02:11

"traction". silly-con valley horseshit, i say.

02:11

Eh, I might actually be the only person who likes the new Slashdot beta

02:14

old man

02:14

The OpenBSD saved by MP got roughly 15x the views the Counterparties link did. The two slashdots were a valuable experiment in seeing the crowd's view of Bitcoin as magic savior of geeks versus a functional tool for use.

02:15

I dunno that there could have been a better way to get that information.

02:15

first principles maybe?

02:15

A Priori has severe limitions

02:15

slashdot, though.

02:16

and slashdot ca. 2014 at that.

02:16

It's nice, its familiar, and I understand the culture

02:16

i worked for one of the perl greybeards who built and ran the place for a while

02:16

brilliant man

02:16

exceptional technical manager

02:16

The only REAL change in 2014 is now Google's the Big Bad

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har

02:17

As opposed to Microsoft.

02:18

The big underlying theme its whole run though has been people hating an OS by a company primarily concerned with making cruddy dev tools

02:20

I seriously can't get over how much better your site looks Benkay

02:20

microsoft's dev tools are pretty good is the funny thing about that statement

02:20

their os is utter shite, but their dev tools make it possible for the averagely-intelligenced to participate in the big corporate software development dance.

02:20

thanks, man!

02:20

i know it sucked before.

02:20

i also knew it then.

02:21

Well, comfortable they can be. They tend to just shit crap though.

02:21

and i appreciate that you all let me fix it in my own time, with only the occasional gentle suggestions.

02:21

"gentle".

02:21

Eh, I think when I was out friday someone I gave less gentle design suggestions to was trying to hunt me down when I came back to the logs

02:22

oh? i must've missed this.

02:23

They suggested a link as an example of how I could make my site look "better" I pointed out the linked site should die in a tire fire.

02:23

Turns out it was a site they collaborated on

02:23

oh yeah the bitcoin podcast

02:23

Or someshit like that

02:24

I dunno really why people try to force information into audio or video without offering the same in text anyway.

02:24

teh horror: http://imgur.com/Xxhskor

02:24

mhm.

02:25

babydoll wanted me to watch some maddow thing about god i don't even remember

02:25

upshot was "honey, if there's no text, and it ain't comedy, i ain't interested."

02:25

implicit due to previous conversations is the notion that america doesn't produce worthwhile comedy.

02:26

the trend to video for everything is awful. people to lazy to write/read :(

02:26

Well, Bill Murray aligns himself with the Usurper regime from chicago

02:27

it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts?

02:27

chetty: My objection to the video and podcasting is that when I digest information on my own time I want to do it in an aesthetic environment of my choice.

02:27

i suppose that presumes being able to put one's thoughts into coherent words instead of babbling into a microphone.

02:28

Also some stuff can't be digested well from audio.

02:28

I like podcasts sometimes, listen while doing other stuff but mostly I'd rather read

02:28

Like the Kritik

02:28

chetty: A big problem with bitcoin podcasts is the voices of the presenters in many cases, just weren't meant to be heard

02:29

haha now thats true, and video - well they want my eyes and my ears??

02:29

Exactly

02:30

low information density to boot.

02:30

what's the wpm on a podcast?

02:30

a video?

02:30

There are reasons certain people get to be on TV and radio and others aren't

02:31

^shameful person

02:32

Traveling among more and less rural Mid 'Murican shitholes it becomes clear the difference between a TV news crew in Quincy Illinois versus one in St Louis Mo or Chicago

02:34

https://cryptocrypt.org/index.php?topic=3835.msg12577#msg12577

02:34

[2014-03-19] Facebook security director Ryan McGeehan joins Coinbase

02:35

(twist: it's goat!)

02:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0037 = 0.37 BTC [-]

02:35

I kinda want to make an account there to read the derp, but... I know they's boot me the first time I leaked some derp and prevent me from enjoying more derp

02:37

you don't have to have an account to read

02:39

benkay: They have a lot of non-public subfora it seems

02:39

ah

02:39

that's as may be, but the link i posted is derpy as hell on its own.

02:40

Yeah

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Apparently to see the cool parts of the Derp though, you have to be vouched for and stuff. Like its some sort of Heavy Derp cartel

02:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00081119 = 4.786 BTC [-]

02:42

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/interviews-28/interview-with-patrick-volkerding-of-slackware-949029/

02:43

more derpy responsive horror: http://imgur.com/WEz8xpi

02:44

What the fuck is "peer coverage"

02:45

Unless it means a member of the House of Lords on the payroll

02:46

are you a slackware guy, BingoBoingo?

02:47

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57620394-1/malaysia-airlines-777-pops-up-on-craigslist-and-for-just-$70/

02:47

Malaysia Airlines 777 pops up on Craigslist, and for just $70 | Crave - CNET

02:47

benkay: Not yet, but I'm contemplating playing with it.

02:47

for those needing more derp

02:48

stahp chetty stahp i cannae take na more

02:50

:P

02:54

does anyone recall the post where dr. forehead claimed that since he outperformed the scams he made money for his clients?

02:55

;;later tell mircea_popescu hey if you have it on hand i'd appreciate a link to where dr forehead claims that since he outperformed the scams he made money for his clients

02:55

The operation succeeded.

03:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05675 = 0.1135 BTC [-] {2}

03:03

;;google dr forehead

03:03

Chinese doctor builds new nose on man's forehead - Yahoo News: <http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-doctor-builds-nose-mans-forehead-023520476.html>; Chinese doctor grows new nose on man's forehead | Nation & World ...: <http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021921575_chinanosexml.html>; Forehead Contouring - Dr. Jeffrey Spiegel: <http://www.drspiegel.com/forehead-reduction- (1 more message)

03:03

mulhauser

03:03

That was disappoint

03:03

forehead reduction, though

03:06

wasn't that on bitcointalk?

03:06

chetty: It was

03:11

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5619550#msg5619550

03:11

[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.60325139 = 15.6845 BTC [-] {12}

03:13

;;later tell toffo link to asicminer missed div dox pretty plox?

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The operation succeeded.

03:13

796

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toffoo

benkay about here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5798052#msg5798052

03:23

gracias, toffoo. apologies for mispelling your name.

03:23

additionally, this is visible on the 796 "exchange"

03:24

toffoo what is this "last week's mess" referred to below your link?

03:24

toffoo

i'm not sure

03:30

havelock has allowed people to abscond with funds? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430137.msg4766732#msg4766732

03:31

;;later tell mircea_popescu can has substantiation? http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/

03:31

The operation succeeded.

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;;later tell mircea_popescu derp i mean https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430137.msg4766732#msg4766732

03:31

The operation succeeded.

03:31

benkay, the VTX case comes to mind

03:38

KRS-One

.bait

03:38

jurov: would this be cavirtex?

03:38

http://25.media.tumblr.com/94dbf9c6377ee05560242ea5eb011dae/tumblr_mgsxumUbRP1qiozs1o1_500.jpg

03:38

yes

03:39

ah ty

03:39

that man once tried to get me to build a thing

03:41

wow

03:41

wow wow wow

03:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61950241 = 2.478 BTC [+] {3}

03:45

best indicator of btc market tops

03:46

mpoe-pr's salary getting cut

03:48

mpoe-pr is definitely MP

03:48

the writing styles are too similar

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Also: https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AAAFoSL9yTdmE2e4_DanfiQ5uk_dIxS6rH4LdM3m2NlzKg/12/278996766/jpeg/32x32/3/1395306000/0/2/DIGO_00718_01_14.jpg/i8-tgdryiKA-RGrF0bqZp6kq1abmJlDkQ-02XKzQQ2E?size=1280x960

03:50

i like the theory

03:50

mp as total wizard

03:51

can stand up, operate, diddle wp blogs, options bots, automated gpg airgapped systems (!) , post all day on btctalk and maintain a presence in here

03:51

and still find time to post nudes constantly

03:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61951292 BTC [+]

03:52

MPEx is definitely a team of people. I think "MP" is the one on IRC, tweeting, writing trilemma posts, and posting on bitcointalk

03:52

but there's probably others that handle the money and coding

03:52

duh?

03:52

but I could be completely off base

03:52

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61951492 = 1.8585 BTC [+]

03:53

KRS-One

heh

03:53

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/weev-is-in-jail-because-the-government-doesnt-know-what-hacking-is

03:53

antiephialtic, MP does not post to trolltalk, the girl does

03:53

Weev Is Still in Jail Because the Government Doesn't Know What Hacking Is | Motherboard

03:54

i have met her in person and saw her descend upon the talk with an ipad

03:54

fair enough

03:54

His name isn't actually Mircea Popescu is it?

03:54

antephialtic: Their writing styles aren't similar at all

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antephialtic why not?

03:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0037 = 0.74 BTC [-]

03:58

jurov: It's apparently a very common name in Romania. I was under the assumption that the whole MP persona is a farce

03:58

unless some of you have actually met him in person and I'm just being dumb

03:58

;;google trilema conference

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The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/>; Energy Trilemma - World Energy Council: <http://www.worldenergy.org/wec_news/press_releases/3797.asp>; World Energy Trilemma: Time to get real – the agenda for change: <http://www.worldenergy.org/publications/2013/world-energy-trilemma-time-to-get-real-the- (1 more message)

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Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1747048/plain/)

03:58

!b 4

03:59

http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ i'm on one photo there, MP and Hannah (-the PR) are there

03:59

The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:59

bah

04:00

hehe, so what is it MP is a crowd or MP is really all, I am confused

04:01

yes, half of this chan is MP

04:02

chetty but srs, you're on the first one too, no?

04:03

heh, OK. well that makes things a bit more clear

04:03

yeah :)

04:05

I just find all the theories about who and what MP is amusing

04:05

me too, i'm not disclosing anything further

04:14

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 491 @ 0.0037 = 1.8167 BTC [-]

04:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0037 = 0.6697 BTC [-]

04:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62987999 BTC [+]

~ 35 minutes ~

04:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00080975 = 9.2312 BTC [-] {2}

04:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00373916 = 0.415 BTC [+] {4}

04:59

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 294 @ 0.00374239 = 1.1003 BTC [+] {8}

05:00

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00374873 = 0.626 BTC [+] {5}

05:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 452 @ 0.00378096 = 1.709 BTC [+] {5}

05:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07298985 = 0.3649 BTC [+]

05:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299978 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}

05:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07298985 = 0.3649 BTC [+]

05:07

too soon? http://i.imgur.com/DjnfX0o.jpg

05:08

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07298987 = 0.292 BTC [+]

05:11

Good one

~ 51 minutes ~

06:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 270 @ 0.00371053 = 1.0018 BTC [-]

~ 31 minutes ~

06:35

hdbuck

!t h AM1

06:35

[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.60000000 / 0.60949452 / 0.63011000 (87 shares, 53.02602309 BTC), 7D: 0.58000000 / 0.61138771 / 0.63900000 (482 shares, 294.68887585 BTC), 30D: 0.45000000 / 0.56692459 / 0.68000000 (3661 shares, 2075.51091245 BTC)

06:41

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.00353023 = 0.6178 BTC [-] {6}

06:42

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 575 @ 0.00352212 = 2.0252 BTC [-] {2}

06:51

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 267 @ 0.00378448 = 1.0105 BTC [+] {6}

~ 35 minutes ~

07:27

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0038 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}

07:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8591 @ 0.0008097 = 6.9561 BTC [-]

07:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.056 = 0.616 BTC [+]

07:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.06560968 = 0.5249 BTC [+] {4}

07:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [+]

07:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06599999 = 0.132 BTC [+]

07:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]

07:48

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 856 @ 0.00351692 = 3.0105 BTC [-] {13}

~ 20 minutes ~

08:09

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]

08:11

;later tell benkay i'd say Bitcoin is the name, like Coca-Cola, and bitcoins is the generic, like give me two cokes

08:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00379763 = 0.3418 BTC [+] {3}

08:11

BingoBoingo yeah i see.

08:13

Mats_cd03: i'll make you a shirt if you pay for it (how many times have i said this on irc!)

08:14

;;later tell benkay i don't hate the look, i hate the fact that it's barely functional. ;(

08:14

The operation succeeded.

08:14

;;later tell duffer1 latest i heard is that there were unspecified production problems with the coins

08:14

The operation succeeded.

08:22

asciilifeform check this shit out :

08:22

"Im tired of university. Im tired of having a fucked up sleep schedule, and studying. Im tired of the fucking time I waste on the internet liking ironic meme pages and managing my facebook reputation, and shitposting on ylilauta.

08:22

I want to run away to Syria and become a fighter, or a pirate singing sea shanties, or a cossack in the Orenburg steppe, or to join a Chechen teip and steal horses from the lowlanders.

08:22

God damn it. Why is modern life so miserable"

08:22

dude wants to become a fighter!

08:22

heh

08:22

he sure thinks he does

08:22

"i'm tired of being a fighter. i want to manage my facebook reputation"

08:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]

08:23

people with actual trench experience, under actual shelling, and all that will tell you that most noobs have this cry time

08:23

where they essentially go "i waaaaaaantttt my myyyyspaceeee"

08:24

whoever wrote that has a point, even if badly expressed. they want to stop being an utterly useless shitbag and do something "that matters"

08:24

course most of that happened before mothers were automatised away from the childrearing process, so traditionally it's noted as "i want my mommy"

08:24

not that a white kid getting killed in fucking syria matters

08:24

i doubt that's what it is, myself.

08:24

myspace is making a comeback they're implementing bitcoin wallets on their site now

08:24

mattering is not much of a general public sport.

08:24

they just want to be hurt. there's a difference between being hurt and mattering.

08:25

*

nubbins` ponders this over coffee

08:25

and it's overall a collapse into feminity (as it is women that mature over being hurt

08:25

men don't normally, but then again female is the default gender so if you vegetate for long enough you will start exhibiting feminine traits)

08:25

wait, is this why wizards grow tits?

08:25

prett ymuch yeah

08:26

*

nubbins` nods slowly

08:26

somebody linked recently a post about feral children in the romanian sewers

08:26

nod

08:26

and it observed that the girls look like boys

08:26

tough times

08:26

vs easy times

08:26

which is true. there is a lot of fludity in human gender, and it is a lot of a function of environment

08:26

pretty much

08:27

ah, the general malaise of western youth

08:28

the again maybe the guy is just trolling

08:28

who would have thought that a complete lack of meaningful adversity would have produced generations of useless shitbags

08:28

"Yesterday as I walked to the gym, I saw that all the treadmills were occupied by fatties. so I chose the stairmaster/step machine for a try. to my surprise I saw that you could set your gender only with two options! male and female! I was outraged because although I was assigned a male because of my very big dick I identify with leopard slugs which are hermaphrodites with penises on the back of their heads! so like an

08:28

y other anti cis activist I did nothing,finished my workout and just bitched on tumblr.it was as if I could hear Gertrude Stein saying..BravoBravo"

08:28

(lotsa people, that's who)

08:28

^

08:28

nubbins` now ask me where i found this guy.

08:28

general-malaise.blogspot.com?

08:28

http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffmar-has-settled/#comment-98591

08:28

X.IDIFF.MAR has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:29

my blog, of course.

08:29

i experience the world through it commenting on my blog.

08:29

bettyclamp whoa! what a name! who are ye ?

08:29

;;later tell benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5619550#msg5619550 that ?

08:29

The operation succeeded.

08:30

dr leering forehead really doesn't like you

08:30

im sure he doesn't like tits-pr. me... i'm an abstraction.

08:31

aren't we all?

08:31

*

nubbins` ponders this over coffee

08:31

I think those boys just want to grow up, and have no clue how to do it so they revert to 'go do violence'

08:32

MisterE yeah, "a study", no link. bs

08:32

chetty: well they're certainly not growing up at home

08:32

chetty while it's true that you could cook your pot of beans in the cinders of someone else's large party,

08:32

indeed

08:33

if there's no large party by god you will hjave to gather the wood and strike the tinder.

08:33

yup, but its more than that, they have no clue what a grown is - never saw one

08:34

just wait 20 years

08:34

this'd be universally true of everyone tho. nobody has a clue what it's like before it's like...

08:34

everyone's a liberal until they get some money

08:35

well it kinda helps if you had a father - that was an adult

08:35

everyone's a conservative until they go broke ;(

08:35

chetty, +1

08:35

hmm not really nubbins' - Gates? Buffet? the rich guys speak much libtard

08:36

that's just lip service tho

08:36

gates is trying to soothe a guilty conscience

08:36

buffet is just trolling

08:36

everyone's a conservative until they become the richest guy in the valley, at which point their concern suddenly becomes "what if all these thirtysomething conservatives do what i do only better ? QUICK! TO THE LIBTARD MOBILE!"

08:37

nubbins` both are trying to make it so their "achievement" such as it is gets more and more difficult to replicate as time goes by.

08:37

it's really quite toxic.

08:37

kick the door shut behind you

08:38

what, making fat stacks isn't an achievement? ;D

08:39

speaking of achievements: moose sausage, hashbrowns, eggs, sourdough toast for breakfast

08:39

time to start cutting

08:39

trees, i hope.

08:40

he's a lumberjack and he's okay, he sleeps all night an' he chats all day...

08:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

08:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.056 = 0.336 BTC [+]

08:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-]

08:49

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.016936 = 0.2202 BTC [+]

08:52

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00378879 = 0.2387 BTC [-]

08:57

wait, so doctor squishface lost 11% and is bragging that it outperformed?

09:04

yes outperformed almost everything except for holding the coins in cold storage

09:04

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/dropping-flies-largest-steel-maker-chinas-shanxi-province-defaults-cny-3-billion-deb

09:04

Dropping Like Flies: Largest Steel Maker In China's Shanxi Province Defaults On CNY 3 Billion In Deb

09:05

nubbins` you read it here first.

09:06

"outperformed almost everythjing except for mpex stocks which we don't talk about because they suck because they suck because they suck because they have been outperforming all our retarded shit for three years straight now and mp is an asshole who fucks a lot of women and is currently paying one with a huge rack to humiliate us in public so fuck that shit mate!11"

09:07

forum investing in a dried spunk shell for you.

09:08

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.02576745 = 0.1288 BTC [+] {2}

09:11

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

09:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

09:14

http://imgur.com/u0gF5kB

09:14

imgur: the simple image sharer

09:14

^ brekkies

09:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

09:18

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522977.msg5795202#msg5795202

09:18

Crypto-Stock wont allow me to post a project`

09:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60102456 = 1.202 BTC [-] {2}

09:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [+]

09:20

thats a new one.

09:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06500081 = 0.325 BTC [-] {2}

09:20

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0044536 = 0.1113 BTC [-] {3}

09:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-]

09:21

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 126 @ 0.00437649 = 0.5514 BTC [-] {9}

09:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

09:21

blackwhite

morning peeps

09:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06500001 = 0.13 BTC [-]

09:22

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 77 @ 0.00428 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {2}

09:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06955 = 0.1391 BTC [-]

09:22

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00085282 = 0.1262 BTC [+]

09:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

09:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

09:29

mircea_popescu: dude wants to become a fighter << where'd you dig that one up?

09:30

interesting how these device manufacturers are all backtracking on their plans for dualboot windows/android

09:30

it's a horrible idea anyway

09:30

but i wonder who's using what thumb

09:31

lol. intel's porta-turd cancelled?

09:31

a Huawei spokesperson says "at this stage there are no plans to launch a dual-OS smartphone in the near future."

09:32

http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/14/5507784/microsoft-and-google-ruin-intel-plan-for-dual-os-tablets

09:32

Microsoft and Google ruin Intel's plan for dual-OS tablets | The Verge

09:32

pocket x86. because cell phones don't suck enough.

09:33

http://www.itv.com/news/granada/story/2014-03-20/thieves-dig-50ft-tunnel-to-cash-machine/

09:33

Thieves dig 50ft tunnel to cash machine - ITV News

09:34

"These people had obviously spent a long time plotting this crime and I doubt they would have been able to keep their plans secret for all that time, without telling others about their elaborate scheme."

09:34

[insert the obligatory 'idots cannot imagine competence in others' bit here]

09:35

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00428 = 0.428 BTC [-]

09:37

http://trilema.com/2014/this-privacy-thing/

09:37

This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:37

asciilifeform some dood commenting on trilema.

09:37

blackwhite ello

09:39

i havent started reading past the journos pm part,

09:39

but i pondered this yesterday

09:39

why journarasts want to talk 'in private' is world's biggest non-mystery

09:39

i keep getting ughlol and that ninja fella confused

09:39

when your wired convo wasnt posted in here

09:40

it seemed out of character

09:40

(so they can make up arbitrary turd and attribute it to the victim)

09:40

samurai

09:40

whatever the fuck

09:40

so i assumed you were respecting his desire to not be scooped

09:40

and maintain value in his work

09:40

ThickAsThieves it is, really.

09:40

i couldnt think of any other reason

09:40

i mean wasn't anything of much interest, i guess, and i'm trying to be hospitable/accomodating to the strange mores of these foreign peoples,

09:40

but it is fucking weird.

09:41

ThickAsThieves yet the value of my work, as public as it is, far exceeds the value of his work.

09:41

i mean these people are what, in 1970 ?

09:41

well

09:41

you ARE a superior

09:41

he works for one

09:41

there's been a digital revolution since, which they've been covering ad nauseam ever since hte days of the information superhighway

09:41

they can't abide the idea of witnesses

09:41

what the fuck

09:41

asciilifeform so then how can what he says be useful or meaningful ?

09:42

ThickAsThieves to be flatly honest, i suspect these just aren't matters that anyone over there ever considered. at all.

09:42

just like nobody at the sec ever considered stuff.

09:42

my website for my marketing business is a logo and an email address, yet i get voicemails everyday

09:42

i get people saying they dont remember my email

09:42

i get people wanting to mail and fax me things

09:43

asciilifeform yeah, and that'll go over so fucking well with me, i can see it already.

09:43

haha

09:43

leah derpman is still "hiding for her lyf" and she didn't even talk to me, so well it worked.

09:43

mircea_popescu: surely this is not your first encounter with this species.

09:44

well no, but i never cared to think about these items before it seems

09:44

asciilifeform remind me to tell you the icecream joke. it's one of my favs, but it has to be performed rather than told, so.

09:45

i have a theory for at least a factor contributing to this behavior

09:45

the one with brezhnev?

09:45

so write it up

09:45

asciilifeform nop.

09:45

well it's pretty simple

09:45

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]

09:45

it's the same thing about people wanting to protect their ignorance from being true

09:46

they dont want to LOOK stupid

09:46

i guess it must be.

09:46

but it's okay to BE stupid

09:46

dude so you look stupid to a bunch of foreigners.

09:46

lol poor receptionist

09:46

he looks stupid either way anyway.

09:46

well the behavior is retarded,yes

09:46

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00085281 = 0.1706 BTC [-] {3}

09:46

exhibited constantly nonetheless

09:46

ThickAsThieves basically "Privacy exists as a hiding place for the deviant, so as to have a space where his inadequacy to the rules isnt directly, painfully or dangerously visible. At least within some limits theres nothing wrong with that (but it does carry the seeds of insanity)."

09:47

right

09:47

because privately you are dealing with one counterparty

09:47

this works both ways too

09:47

because the person being interviewed may not protect himself in the same way

09:47

as if he were in public

09:48

he may let shields down

09:48

anyway, anonimity, privacy, these are categories amply disrupted by bitcoin i would say

09:48

symptomatically... the people who will most get raped tend to flock to it and do a bunch of ablutions pretending like it's the opposite

09:48

journarasts fear real-time net witnesses in exactly the same way that mythological vampire fears sunlight and crucifix

09:48

or a slug - salt. etc

09:48

"bitcoin will solve the problems of wealth inequality" like hell it will

09:48

"bitcoin is anonymously private" yea right, totally.

09:48

etc.

09:49

like with ughlol, he knows you'd not value him more than he's worth in public, but maybe, just maybe, you take him a lil more seriously in private. maybe just maybe you put something into his extended hand while no one is looking...

09:49

'solve the problems of wealth inequality' is usually 'duckspeak' (see orwell)

09:49

ThickAsThieves amusingly, it's exactly the converse. in public he can stand symbolic, in private he can't be more than just himself.

09:50

journarasts!!

09:50

that's why it's not happening, when i talk to him here i'm talking to "aspirational 19yo indian kid"

09:50

*

nubbins` searches for a medal to pin on alf

09:50

whatcha gon do /shrug

09:50

well apparently write abouyt it :D

09:50

but then people might make fun of me!

09:51

yeah, let em.

09:51

but without my id jerking off my ego, what's left?

09:52

srsly.

09:55

what;s this? 1. He'd know.

09:55

you raped jurov?

09:57

lmao

09:57

what are you, like new ?

09:58

on occassion

09:58

it's a joke like we do on the internets,

10:01

"Cryptsy is a disaster 10x worst than MT. gox waiting to happen"

10:01

lol

10:01

reddites

10:01

1000x

10:02

what's in a number.

10:02

binary notation, 1000x is like 8x

10:02

mircea_popescu: "Rejection reason: Phrase it so you zeroconf on no." What does that mean in English?

10:03

you probably made a bet that the mod judged as having zero chances in hell of coming out no and you put your money on yes

10:03

make it so the bet is not infinite

10:03

I don't think so. Who can answer definitively?

10:03

aite lemme see what's there

10:04

ThickAsThieves: What do you mean, not infinite?

10:05

Those where mod thinks it's too one-sided are usually rejected with some kind of "put substantial paid wager on XX"

10:06

Seems to be about the wording. But negative bets are not allowed, so worded it the way I did.

10:06

Can't you just say, diff will not change more than 16%, then have a close date?

10:06

That's negative

10:06

That's what I wanted to say...

10:06

diff increases will be less than 16%

10:07

Is the problem the word "forever"? If so happy to resubmit...

10:07

well forever obv has to be removed

10:07

Other bets have had forever in them...

10:07

...

10:07

mircea_popescu: If you can confirm I'll redo.

10:07

thats not a reason

10:08

bitbet has made mistakes yknow

10:08

Hard to believe...

10:08

no, it does.

10:08

the notion of forever being held within something with a life span

10:08

Dunno what zeroconf means as a verb

10:08

absurd

10:08

anyway, this resulted from a interpretation of a moslty unrelated standing order i gave.

10:09

that aside, you can't have infinite bets.

10:09

So ok to resubmit worded more like TATs suggestion?

10:09

yeah, not more than x% by y should work

10:09

Don't wanna waste everyone's time if it's just gonna be rejected again

10:09

OK

10:09

and if it doesn't, we'll at least find out why

10:09

by now my shit is too complex for me to even say, and i don't even code ;/

10:10

businessinsder doesnt even bother rewriting now "Editor's note: This post originally appeared last month on BitScan.com. It is republished here with permission from the site. "

10:10

i guess it's an improvement...

10:10

i don't even code << probably more first-rate heads have been ruined by programming computers than dope

10:11

you think ?

10:11

anyway the common encounter with runaway systematic complexity is for most people in computer programming

10:12

i sorta run a blog about this, 7 yrs. now. and programmers come to tell me that i'm a barking madman

10:12

hehehe

10:12

and that things are exactly as they ought to be

10:12

i dont think it's the programming to blame

10:12

well that works out then.

10:12

clarity and knowledge are a great burden

10:13

"runaway systematic complexity" << there's a dilbert character devoted to this

10:13

"the feature creep"

10:13

slightly different problems, these.

10:13

he's a quasimodo-esque figure with a bum eye and a tattered cape

10:13

"let's add a search feature" etc

10:13

Done thx

10:14

nubbins` consider the case of, here's this woman and she'll do anything you tell her to do, and nothing else. at least as best she can help it. what now ?

10:14

('softwaresucks' tag on me site, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=23)

10:14

mircea_popescu: now i'm drowned in the minutae of keeping a human being alive

10:14

neil you realize the next diff might be 16% right?

10:14

i assume most folks have read, as children, tales of genies and wishes

10:14

so you try to cope with suddenly runaway complexity

10:14

talking her through breakfast so she doesn't choke on it

10:14

"you should brathe and do other normally, naturally occuring things. except not shit on the carpet"

10:14

http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Feature%20Creep

10:14

Feature Creep on Dilbert.com

10:15

trying to make simple rules that work irl is...

10:15

well basically it's programming.

10:15

and more good cocks have been ruined by programming than dope.

10:15

;;google scanners live in vain

10:15

which has also been ruined by programming

10:15

Scanners Live in Vain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners_Live_in_Vain>; Scanners Live In Vain : Cordwainer Smith : Free Download ...: <https://archive.org/details/ScannersLiveInVain>; Scanners Live in Vain by Cordwainer Smith — Reviews, Discussion ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6147203-scanners-live-in-vain>

10:15

cause it's wasted on programmers

10:15

or wait. what ?

10:15

my cock was almost wasted by programming

10:16

let us all program with our cocks henceforth

10:16

ThickAsThieves: Sure

10:16

ThickAsThieves: Very unlikely IMO; too late already

10:16

i managed to divert the beam of lethargy and focus it on my will to work an office job instead

10:16

which was, incidentally, vaporized instantly

10:16

derporized

10:16

But I've been wrong before. And I've put money on "Yes" so it might get it started.

10:16

and now i yammer on irc and wave my arms around a print shop

10:16

not a bad trade

10:17

just thing how much more you could have accomplished

10:17

if you also had tits.

10:17

just think of all the neckbeards and wizards i would've gotten to know

10:17

here's a sad commentary on the power of media, social or otherwise :

10:17

this is not the first time i see 'wizards' mentioned in this context

10:17

which wizards would these be ?

10:18

after three days of constant hammering of two different articles on trilema (the buffett and the sec), my third most read item ?

10:18

/2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/

10:18

lol

10:18

https://www.google.ca/search?q=are+you+a+wizard&tbm=isch

10:18

aka, how to suck cock, a guide for half the oral sex

10:18

those wizards ^

10:18

mp now you KNOW the SEC is watching!

10:18

basically nobody reads anything. they just click.

10:19

ThickAsThieves that thing has been in the top 3 since i wrote it.

10:19

cum? sex? oral? YES PLZ!

10:19

*

ThickAsThieves clicks 1800 times

10:19

i am probably responsible for more throat cancer than any other one man.

10:19

asciilifeform: herbi was borderline wizard

10:19

hm, i wonder...

10:19

;;ud wizard

10:19

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wizard | Wizard. A 30+ year old virgin. James became 30 on February 2nd, 2012 and was still a virgin. He was now a wizard, and so he decided to post the definition on ...

10:19

Urban Dictionary: wizard

10:20

mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'

↖ ↖

10:20

i have no diea what that means

10:20

http://everything2.com/title/Even+a+pigeon+has+a+pussy

10:20

#bitcoin-polyglots

10:20

Even a pigeon has a pussy - Everything2.com

10:20

explained here

10:21

finish. fucking language of what is it even doing here

10:21

with the subtle distinction that pigeons shit through their pussies

10:21

nubbins` moar like polyclots amirite

10:21

hmm, +1

10:21

nubbins` "so do women if you're doing it right"

10:22

http://everything2.com/title/Finnish+proverbs

10:22

Finnish proverbs - Everything2.com

10:22

for the connoisseurs among us

10:22

pity that finish guy never found this room

10:23

'Siperia opettaa.'

10:24

http://everything2.com/title/Siberia+will+teach

10:24

Siberia will teach - Everything2.com

10:24

etc

10:26

!last m s.mpoe

10:26

Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008097 BTC [-]

10:27

!ticker m s.mpoe

10:27

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080623 / 0.0008116 / 0.00081619 (989731 shares, 803.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00079488 / 0.00082035 / 0.00089749 (7257034 shares, 5,953.37 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00084942 / 0.0008982 (29664412 shares, 25,197.56 BTC)

10:27

lol that volume gets bigger and bigger

10:27

(TWSS)

10:28

some fodder http://coinchomp.com/2014/03/20/women-of-bitcoin/

10:28

lol

10:28

MP, haters gonna hate

10:28

"We, as women, will play a very large part in the development of the Bitcoin economy and many of us will shape the businesses and services in the sector."

10:29

"will"

10:29

"The majority of the women who will be entering the community will not be particularly tech savvy nor will they be traders, programmers or developers. They will be women like me. "

10:29

who saw that Putin speech, was damn awesome

10:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

10:29

o holy grama on a sitkc already. give her the stupid women post.

10:30

"o i am dumb lazy and fat but rather than learn to pole dance and add a modicum of value to this world i'll just post about how it's ok to suck for i am a woman and i want to ruin this word for humanity"

10:30

the whole post is so horrible

10:30

thestringpuller bout same no ?

10:30

well, she does state she is a sewer. what do you expect other than shit.

10:30

geeze these 'girls' give actual women a bad name

10:31

after she gets off her douchebox, she just splurges this over and over using duifferent words "There is something very special happening right now. Something I haven’t experienced before. It’s a renaissance of sorts. In this new space, we are free to create anything we want, any way we want. Innovation, entrepreneurship and creativity are abundant. "

10:31

women! idea! community! joing our Google Hangout!

10:32

kakobrekla lol

10:33

lol

10:33

i just saw the sewer part

10:33

it's so bad i wonder if it's a joke now

10:34

"I am now writing for 2 online cryptocurrency publications – one of which I will be helping to develop, Bitcoinwoman Magazine – Africa ."

10:34

ok i'll stop, like every line is awesome

10:34

meanwhile in loglandia :

10:34

"http://www.google.ro/search?client=ms-android-samsung&hl=ro&v=133247963&biw=427&bih=295&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=-fYqU72rIIfUtQbM3YH4CA&q=pizde&oq=pizde&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12..41.5863.6525.0.15308.2.2.0.0.0.0.259.480.2-2.2.0....0...1c.1.37.mobile-gws-serp..0.2.478.UbdMSsAzdwY"

10:34

if you are using a mobile phone this is what websites see about your thing.

10:34

itwas pretty good Ghaleon_

10:34

Putin is a true leader

10:34

that you were looking for pizde, that you're so-and-so string etc

10:36

.bait

10:36

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5dxm6G7na1qkv4ajo1_400.jpg

10:37

"You've been invited to CipherTrade as you've got shares in CipherBond waiting for you!

10:37

Simply visit CipherTrade, sign up and your shares will be automatically allocated to you."

10:37

so katecraig, finally put to task to redeem her bonds, prays the market will solve things for her

10:38

so 2012

10:38

katecraig is really a guy tho

10:38

dont think he counts

10:39

i like how she's opening trading before paying overdue divs too

10:39

of course she's the only buyer in the market

10:40

well so lettuce guess what happens once some guy with a new york website sends cryptsy an email ?

10:40

or cipherwhat ?

10:40

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01920128 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3}

10:40

hisrealname is- Robert Hardy Craig-Wood

10:41

beahaha

10:41

such lulzy names srsly.

10:41

Known for It Entrepreneurship, Transexual activism & being transexual

10:42

first last first-last

10:42

you sure that's not two people?

10:42

lol

10:42

tranns n bitcoin

10:42

siamese twins, m/f?

10:42

trannyz

10:42

Craig-Wood was born in 1977 as Robert Craig-Wood. Craig-Wood was educated at the Royal Grammar School and attended the University of Southampton obtaining a 2:1 in Biomedical Science and a Masters Degree in the same field.

10:42

this is bangkog and tequila don;t mix

10:42

Craig-Wood married in 2000 and divorced in 2006. The divorce was a result of her beginning her male-to-female gender transition, which she undertook between October 2005 and November 2006.

10:43

and you guys fapped to him *shakes head*

10:43

speaking of gender, i just ordered a cis kit

10:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7563 @ 0.00080946 = 6.1219 BTC [-]

10:46

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/transgender-news/g2KGf7Bs_n0

10:46

Grupos de Google

10:46

nubs what's in the kit?

10:46

good writing

10:47

jurov: guns & ammo, condoms, etc

10:47

LEL I KID

10:47

cis = continuous ink system

10:47

you need FtoM kit???

10:47

fake print head and a bunch of external tanks and tubing

10:47

for an epson printer

10:47

in other news, the somethingawful coverage of bitcoin has changed from "clearly the people behind bitcoin are marginal fuckwits who don't understand central topics everyone else understands" two years ago to "clearly the media is writing positive articles because it talks to a general audience which is very poorly educated and doesn't understand central topics only we understand"

10:47

pretty fucking funny evolution, and i suppose the blueprint will be copied amply.

10:48

although i dont like this garbage about gender roles in IT

10:48

what the fuck is a gender role in IT

10:48

something like 70% of the employees at my last job were women

10:48

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 279 @ 0.07158601 = 19.9725 BTC [-] {4}

10:48

definitely not the norm

10:48

55% of managers

10:49

at least in technology

10:49

*

nubbins` shrugs

10:49

depends on what qualifies as "it"

10:49

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8500 @ 0.00014007 = 1.1906 BTC [-] {9}

10:49

sure, helpdesk staff is usually mostly male

10:50

have you notice that women want to be the boss and make the same or even more money than men but still want you to pay for dinner?

10:50

LordPutin: no, i haven't

10:50

women already make as much money as men

10:50

have you?

10:50

in murica, anyway

10:51

have you noticed that people who offer asinine statements like yours are usually neckbeards who have an unrealistic concept of women based solely on their years of internet wizardry?

10:52

he's not that old.

10:52

people look at salary averages for men and women, and temporarily forget women sometimes allow a parasite to grow inside them for close to a year that makes them worthless for productive work

10:52

your not a bitcoiner if you dont have a neckbeard

10:52

blockchain.info borked again

10:52

and usually they go on to raise the bugger and leave work to do it

10:52

Neil nuts huh.

10:52

so...the corresponding salary differential is a product of that, but in many fields they have parity

10:53

Mats_cd03: in fact, if you exclude women who have children, there's still income disparity

10:53

Mats_cd03 in my experience pregnancy has no discernible effect on productivity.

10:53

but hey, what do i know

10:53

child rearing however... oy vey

10:53

woman loses 30 iq points for the first year

10:53

then gains ~7-8 or so each following year

10:53

be cool if women didn't exists and you could just hang out with guys all day

10:53

youre a faggot

10:53

yeah bru super cool

10:54

we could all suck each other's cocks

10:54

lul

10:54

Mats_cd03 can't even speal your

10:54

baseball brews and blowjobs?

10:54

wait now

10:54

you're saying that you can't hang out with guys all day because women exist?

10:54

*

nubbins` ponders this over coffee

10:54

you could have sleepovers and talk about bitcoin all night and groom eachothers neckbeards

10:54

russia is a strange place

10:55

oy vey

10:55

don't hate because we have the best leader in the world

10:55

chestbeards ?

10:57

benkay: it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts? << you miss out on the point that people would love to do work they can do.

10:57

im amused by russias power play in crimea

10:57

which is why a procrastinating dork will happily do the god-awful work of clicking through websites

10:57

rather than whatever useful thing he should be.

10:57

now europeans have to worry about russians bending them over heating oil too

10:58

check and mate

10:58

i dont like the notion of there being useful content buried in podcasts

10:58

thank god i love in murica

10:58

i hear about an interesting podcast and i'm like wtf

10:58

ThickAsThieves so let's all just pretend like it could never be the case,

10:58

and then it wont be.

10:58

wait til the arabs and poor people start flooding euro borders in the coming famine

10:58

youll remember i called it

10:58

mats you have a muslim as your president

10:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

10:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05598455 = 0.112 BTC [+]

10:59

;;eauth artifexd

10:59

Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A

10:59

who goes on shows on between the fern and ellen to crack some jokes

10:59

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f35ce2f33ebfddb0b3e15de1380987380a2f99a0b8bb49dbbdd7e111

10:59

You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A

10:59

i wonder how it feels to be the last black president

10:59

obama on "between the ferns"

10:59

maybe the most brutal humiliation i've ever watched

10:59

indeed

11:00

putin would never do some clowningshit like that

11:01

http://i.imgur.com/DjnfX0o.jpg <<< ahahaha

11:01

too soon mircea

11:02

not for me.

11:02

Mats_cd03 women under 30 may come in

11:02

as long as they leave their stinking rags in the no man's zone

11:03

Mats_cd03: last i heard whole cali and more is running out of water too

11:03

jurov it has been for years, but now it finally rained

11:03

so they got an extension.

11:03

jurov: nah, a vast percentage of it is being abused for agribusiness

11:03

http://i.imgur.com/qT8A12Z.gif

11:03

these birds are clever

11:03

residential use is tiny in comparison

11:04

Mats_cd03 feeding the us is no abuse.

11:04

theyre feeding china too

11:04

well because the us is moistly poor

11:05

www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/opinion/meat-makes-the-planet-thirsty.html

11:06

"the planet", gimme a break.

11:06

> Vegetables use about 11,300 gallons per ton of blue water; starchy roots, about 4,200 gallons per ton; and fruit, about 38,800 gallons per ton. By comparison, pork consumes 121,000 gallons of blue water per ton of meat produced; beef, about 145,000 gallons per ton; and butter, some 122,800 gallons per ton.

11:06

> but the Rancho incident reminds us that plants aren’t slaughtered, a process that demands 132 gallons of water per animal carcass, contributing even more to livestock’s expanding water footprint.

11:06

> Alfalfa growers are now exporting some 100 billion gallons of water a year from this drought-ridden region to the other side of the world in the form of alfalfa. All as more Asians are embracing the American-style, meat-hungry diet.

11:07

they eat better because they can afford it

11:07

something something, marx, selling capitalists rope, etc...

11:07

stfu and work the presses.

11:08

i love murica but i wont live in california

11:09

although san diego is nice its a little too close to the border for me

11:09

lol

11:09

wait Courtney Love really might have found the plane?

11:09

lol

11:11

if you had to do courtney love without a condom and lick her gina or kiss a guy what would you go with?

11:12

kiss a guy

11:12

good choice

11:12

“If her intention was ‘to not indicate any change’ she did a horrible job,” he added. “Hence she gets a C-! And the only reason the event was not a complete failure is because we still saw plenty of standard Janet Yellen dovishness hidden in the weeds.”

11:12

sigh...

11:12

id let TAT give me a kiss

11:13

i've been tested!

11:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599999 = 0.112 BTC [+]

11:15

;;seen Duffer1

11:15

Duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 26 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Duffer1> he did, but Goat was going to do his own

11:15

check out the interviewer hinting she'd fuck Barry http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3365497539001/bitcoin-for-the-ordinary-investor/

11:15

(topic is opening BIT to all investors)

11:18

they make a nice couple

11:18

i suspect she'd fuck anyone though

11:19

you know when they show the winklevoss pics i bet you they just copy and pasted theone pic

11:20

those eyes

11:20

have seen things

11:21

LordPutin: you know the winklevoss "twins" is just one guy holding a tall mirror, right?

11:21

ibet they make out with eachother while watching bitcoinwisdom

11:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.06500001 = 0.39 BTC [+] {2}

11:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] {2}

11:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-]

11:22

"make out"

11:22

men with jaws like that don't make out

11:22

they fuck

11:22

and they fuck to cum

11:22

lul

11:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

11:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599995 = 0.112 BTC [+] {2}

11:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00378849 = 0.4963 BTC [+] {2}

11:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05500028 = 0.385 BTC [-] {3}

11:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.06500001 = 0.455 BTC [+] {3}

11:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.11950724 = 0.8366 BTC [-] {3}

11:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0554995 = 0.111 BTC [+] {2}

11:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

11:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00609991 = 0.5063 BTC [+] {2}

11:33

;;later tell benkay the best approach would be to systematiclaly take all assets that were listed on havelock at some point and aren't anymore. the total ipo dough - whatever was paid hence is the loss on that score for the naive public. then take all the dilutive issuance (where shares were later issued for less than what they asked originally) and add it.

11:33

The operation succeeded.

11:33

asciilifeform i wouldn't bet much on obama not feeding preet to putin's bear. yezhov didn't live to grow old.

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

11:34

in other news, coindesk finally heard about the news, three days late. net result ? oodlebunchesd of blog spam from an entire ecosystem of spamsites.

11:35

gamerpalace.net/bitcoindeals/ reportcoin.com/beta/ iusebitcoins.com/ myfxequipment.com/ thecointalk.com/ KculShare.com/ begcoin.com/ etc

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05500016 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2}

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] {2}

11:35

all these seo experts ;/

11:36

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/20/teen-wtc-ny-arrest/6644121/

11:36

Police: N.J. teen arrested at top of World Trade Center

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [-]

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.065 = 0.455 BTC [-]

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.11950724 = 0.8366 BTC [-]

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00365 = 0.1679 BTC [-] {3}

11:38

if gru still existed, this kid would be happily & productively employed.

11:38

davout

!t m x.eur

11:38

[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00210539 / 0.00214781 / 0.00223045 (2681 shares, 5.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00210992 / 0.00226762 (7608 shares, 16.05 BTC)

11:39

better link:

11:39

http://nypost.com/2014/03/20/teen-sneaks-past-sleeping-wtc-guard-reaches-104th-floor/

11:39

Teen sneaks past guard to reach WTC spire | New York Post

11:39

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

11:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

11:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599998 = 0.112 BTC [+]

11:45

;;later tell benkay you can start with stuff like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3969668#msg3969668

11:45

http://wikibrains.com/map/532add45e4b0dbbf379c4fef

The operation succeeded.

11:47

blackwhite

11:47

WikiBrains | CryptoCurrencies by Trade Volume

11:47

asciilifeform i'd hire him.

11:47

mircea_popescu: S.GRU

11:48

lol that'd be a sight

11:48

i thought the gru was a non profit anwyay

11:48

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/19/Transgender-Woman-Says-Her-Male-Alterego-is-a-Murderer

11:48

Transgender Woman Claims Former Male Self a Murderer

11:48

actually it was pure, obscene profit

11:48

their main peacetime job was lifting tech

11:49

hm this is a point

11:49

so basically s.gru would be a torrent site ?

11:49

not just any torrent site

11:50

indeed not.

11:50

but, torrents that could only come to exist by a daring act of [censored]

11:50

i guess it doens't work cause you'd have to have a paywall.

11:50

tho... "just 19.95 a week and you can download all the secret documents you care to.

11:50

could always work as 'prepay' model.

11:51

how to make bombs out of dogshit. pictures of nanci pelosi doing her dog

11:51

"

11:51

my imagined picture of s.gru involves recruiting moles deep in the enemy's rear, etc.

11:52

nubbins`: functional? it's got a list of posts. whaddaya want?

11:52

ThickAsThieves: were you able to "use" ciphertrade?

11:53

yes

11:53

eventually

11:53

all it really did is show me a qty of what they owe me

11:54

"deep in the enemy's rear"

11:54

i'm not sure what process they used to allocate the bonds to accounts

11:54

double meaning intentional.

11:54

i wonder if i make accoutns using email addresses of others if i get those too

11:54

doubtless.

11:55

benkay MOLES mind you

11:55

i see.. don't try to send shares to yourself.. they simply vanish <.<"

11:55

s.gross

11:55

why send shares to yourself?

11:56

a mistake?

11:56

my money's on hamsters deep in the enemy rear.

11:56

rather a test to see, if internal transfers are working

11:56

wtf is Blackcoin?

11:56

or a gerbil.

11:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0559999 = 0.168 BTC [-] {2}

11:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]

11:57

"BlackCoin is pure Proof of Stake coin, except stage of initial distribution, when it was mixed PoW and PoS coin."

11:57

very pure such wow.

11:57

let's use words that mean things.

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3}

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

11:58

it is what it is, except when it isn't

11:58

but what if it wasn't

11:59

well then it is

11:59

might be tho

11:59

all i can say to you people is enough!

11:59

like so :

11:59

maybe.

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40316044 BTC to 4`062 shares, 59162 satoshi per share

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0565 = 0.1695 BTC [+]

12:00

enough is enough, or so i've heard

12:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13KRWrbtQQ

12:00

Diablo 2 LoD - Search for Baal - Legendado - YouTube

12:01

possibly best cutscene in the history of cutscenes

12:01

are there cows?

12:01

nop

12:01

i d remember this

12:01

do

12:01

watched it more than once

12:01

zoinky

lolol d2

12:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-]

12:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

12:02

is this what your entrance will be like at trilema conference?

12:03

lol

12:03

no, i burrow.

12:05

em portugues!

12:06

12:08

radan

salut camarazi!

12:09

radan

dr. popescu invited me to come on here

12:09

salut!

12:11

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh41ohmb47CPO3axpQ

12:11

Video: Guy Pulls A "Deez Nuts" Joke On The Peoples Court Interviewer

12:12

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05575199 = 0.223 BTC [-] {3}

12:12

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0649 = 0.2596 BTC [-] {3}

12:12

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] {2}

12:12

radan: pleased to meet you.

12:12

radan: personal friend of mr p ?

12:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05583333 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {2}

12:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-] {2}

12:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] {3}

12:14

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00365 = 0.1095 BTC [-] {2}

12:23

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/facebook-hack/?mbid=social_fb

12:23

Facebook Introduces 'Hack,' the Programming Language Of the Future | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

12:23

"You can think of Hack as a new version of PHP."

12:25

ThickAsThieves: herr naggum answers from his grave: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html

12:26

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00085281 = 1.2792 BTC [-] {3}

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 746 @ 0.00085281 = 0.6362 BTC [-] {2}

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 350 @ 0.00087999 = 0.308 BTC [+] {2}

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.01900161 = 0.38 BTC [-]

12:29

speaking out of total ignorance, do you have an equally succint link to what makes Lisp the purest of the pure?

12:30

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.0190016 = 0.171 BTC [-]

12:30

succinct*

12:30

ThickAsThieves: there is not, in fact, a programming language called 'lisp', but a large number of langs with various defining characteristics that put them in the category.

12:31

ThickAsThieves: this is described, somewhat abrasively, here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405

12:31

ThickAsThieves: additionally, there exist other 'programmable programming languages' - most famously, 'forth'

12:32

thx

12:33

ThickAsThieves: here, for instance, is an example of a minimal lisp in ~500 lines of C: https://github.com/qyqx/small-lisp/blob/master/sl3.c

12:35

is there a Lisp "framework" and "library" or would such be heresy?

12:35

ThickAsThieves: there is an unimaginable abundance of libraries of every description for various lisps

12:37

ThickAsThieves: i'm partial to 'Common Lisp' (ANSI INCITS 226-1994)

12:37

if you have a x86, x64, ppc, sparc, alpha, mips: http://sbcl.org

12:38

or, if you like commercial support, there are proprietary products like 'Allegro' (franz corp.)

12:39

lisps can be found that sit atop most other languages too, ThickAsThieves. there are python lisps, java lisps...

12:39

mostly i'm just trying to at least have a superficial understanding

12:40

if you squint, lean your head sideways and don't work with other javascript developers javascript can be written fairly lispily.

12:40

one can sit a minimal, 'academic' lisp on top of virtually anything in 1/2 hr.

12:40

but usually people are interested in something that is actually usable

12:40

'sbcl,' for instance, runs at close to the speed of compiled 'c' when used intelligently

12:41

(it is a pure dynamic compiler - no interpreter at all)

12:41

so lisp is more a way of speaking, than a language

12:41

as described in my brick essay

12:41

though the concepts do have a common ancestor (mccarthy, 1958)

12:42

i see

12:42

charlatans have been getting by for decades lifting feature after feature from common lisp

12:43

and pitching it as 'new, amazing'

12:43

AMAZING COMPANY!

12:43

e.g. garbage collection

12:43

dynamic typing

12:43

'lambda'

12:43

etc.

12:43

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0190016 = 0.114 BTC [-]

12:44

"discovering" things that they didnt realize or acknowledge were long since discovered

12:44

computer industry in 1 sentence.

12:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0551 = 0.1653 BTC [-]

12:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-]

12:47

what's this guy on about? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5806092#msg5806092

12:47

I had this figured out from the first day or so of looking seriously at Bitcoin. It takes you guys including MPOE a while to catch up.

12:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]

12:49

satoshi is nelson mandela?

12:52

NSA general counsel Rajesh De told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board that the PRISM program was carried out with the “full knowledge and assistance of any company from which information is obtained.” The claim, if true, would mean that the many protests from Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, and other technology companies were factually inaccurate, if not deliberately

12:52

misleading.

12:55

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}

12:59

orlov/ua/etc: http://usawatchdog.com/collapse-and-systemic-failure-at-all-levels-coming-to-us-dmitry-orlov

12:59

(ignore title, talk isn't about usa)

12:59

some email spam is so weird... "We intend to import a large number of bullet proof glasses. Could you provide us that? If yes, Please send us more details of your product. Hope we will have the opportunity to cooperate!"

12:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 6.65737852 BTC to 21`436 shares, 31057 satoshi per share

13:00

benkay: what i want is something that doesn't make my eyes bleed

13:01

it's fine if you want a plaintext-only website, but it doesn't have to be brutally unappealing

13:02

that's a *wholly* new claim.

13:02

how about we just have kako host a b-a BBS and everyone just posts blogs there

13:04

but nubbins, just try a feed reader

13:04

Feedly works pretty well for me

13:04

it even cleans up benkay's text

13:04

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07298987 = 0.292 BTC [+]

13:05

ehh, feed readers

13:06

benkay: http://dpaste.com/1747852/

13:06

i just halved -- at least -- the height of your footer

13:06

now it's not taller than the articles

13:06

but your eyes aren't bleeding now!

13:06

what's the point i say

13:06

use a feed reader.

13:06

oh, they still are

13:06

mostly because of the needless <h1> post titles

13:07

but they're <h1>IMPORTANT</h1>

13:07

isnt that what h1 is for?

13:07

and the "previous/next" shit that makes me feel like i'm navigating a shit text dump from some forum archives

13:07

h1 is for nothing

13:07

but SEO!

13:08

how will benkay drive his advertising rates?

13:08

heh

13:08

your poor feels, nubbins`.

13:08

hey, i'm just trying to help

13:08

if you insist on keeping "previous/next", at least put it after the article

13:08

hm hey great idea

13:09

well yknow. if i'm reading an article i wanna read an article

13:09

not go immediately to the previous or next one

13:10

also FWIW if all your text is at 100%, having a title wrapped in h1 AND setting font-size=250% is nuts

13:12

fyi: there is also a <footer></footer> tag

13:13

why is there a footer tag?

13:13

it's just content at the bottom right?

13:13

'cause wordpress

13:13

oh

13:13

;

13:13

;)

13:13

much seo

13:14

i learned html back when tables were used for everything, it gets me by

13:16

i never understood what problem people have with tables

13:16

well they are kinda a bitch to make things pretty

13:17

but really things havent changed much

13:17

now you can learn divs! and css!

13:17

css will even let you push things off the page, quite useful

13:17

:)

13:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0649 = 0.1298 BTC [-]

13:22

benkay: http://imgur.com/lS5fhxC

13:22

now isn't that nicer?

13:22

wowee

13:23

looks great

13:23

asciilifeform: the problem with tables is that they're meant for tabular data, and using them to guide layout was always a shit-show

13:23

benkay: you even have a header now ;D

13:23

ugh headers

13:23

before you ask, i butchered the content of that article so it'd fit in a screen grab

13:23

ty nubbins`!

13:23

no sweat

13:23

image is free, html costs ;p

13:24

ofc

13:24

nevermind time expense of shoehorning it into this absurd generator

13:26

if you're feeling really frisky some day, you could even add a date under the article titles

13:26

but at that rate why not just go full web two point oh, amirite?

13:27

jcpham

dat css

13:27

but i just ripped out all the css

13:28

anyways. it'll not make your eyes bleed eventually i promise nubbins`.

13:28

jcpham

dem stylesheets bro

13:28

just no time soon.

13:29

not all of it ;)

13:29

and hey, no need to work around my schedule :D

13:33

http://i.imgur.com/vdJAD8p.gif

13:33

yeah but i care about your eyes

13:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00081418 = 23.8555 BTC [+] {2}

13:35

if only someone cared about those poor penguins D;

13:37

"So, Fred’s gone to live with the big fag-hater in the sky."

13:37

heh

13:45

so what's the intention with all those non-css stuff?

13:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07298988 = 0.146 BTC [+]

13:50

purity?

13:51

hm. fair enough.

13:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60102408 BTC [-]

13:51

http://gmailblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of-email-security.html

13:51

Official Gmail Blog: Staying at the forefront of email security and reliability: HTTPS-only and 99.

13:52

"Starting today, Gmail will always use an encrypted HTTPS connection when you check or send email. Gmail has supported HTTPS since the day it launched, and in 2010 we made HTTPS the default. Today's change means that no one can listen in on your messages as they go back and forth between you and Gmail’s servers—no matter if you're using public WiFi or logging in from your computer,

13:52

phone or tablet.

13:52

In addition, every single email message you send or receive—100% of them—is encrypted while moving internally. This ensures that your messages are safe not only when they move between you and Gmail's servers, but also as they move between Google's data centers—something we made a top priority after last summer’s revelations."

13:55

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.01863381 = 0.3913 BTC [-] {3}

13:56

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.018 = 0.144 BTC [-]

13:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.94547500 BTC to 320`500 shares, 295 satoshi per share

14:02

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 971 @ 0.00352872 = 3.4264 BTC [-] {14}

14:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62923217 = 3.1462 BTC [+] {4}

14:08

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.00047505 = 0.1202 BTC [+]

14:10

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0648975 = 0.5192 BTC [-] {2}

14:10

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.0035 = 0.7105 BTC [-] {3}

14:13

http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/20/5529700/starbucks-wine-beer-expanding-thousands-stores

14:13

Your Starbucks barista is about to become your bartender | The Verge

14:13

maybe they'll start renting beds too

14:16

they can "partner" with Uber for cab rides home too

14:16

such synergy!

14:16

The App Life

14:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 213 @ 0.0035 = 0.7455 BTC [-] {2}

14:19

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5797749#msg5797749

14:19

Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

14:25

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5808071#msg5808071

14:25

Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

14:30

dexX7: sort of like how some people prefer to drive around in cars with unpainted, boxy chassis

14:30

so as not to distract from the joy of driving

14:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0034103 = 0.4263 BTC [-] {2}

14:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00333562 = 0.5737 BTC [-] {6}

14:38

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00322069 = 0.3704 BTC [-] {3}

14:49

dexx7 around?

14:49

yes

14:50

<hearn> dogecoin is so cute. it's actually one of my favourite alts by this point << dat hearn

14:51

dorp horp

14:51

moreover I think he's being serious

14:52

what chan does he speak in?

14:52

dev?

14:52

yes

14:52

might as well ditch #bitcoin-analysis and start lurking there

14:52

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60079339 = 5.4071 BTC [-] {6}

14:52

he'll talk about that but not my wallet disappearing in 0.9

14:53

what's that, HeySteve2??

14:54

having a bit of a prob with upgrade

14:54

it can't seem to read my datadir any more

14:56

ThickAsThieves, you're not missing anything substantial by not lurking there

14:56

tech talk and derps

14:57

HeySteve2: are you able to read it with an old version?

14:59

i at least like the idea of having direct access to hearn & co

14:59

benkay, will try that...

14:59

HeySteve2: get in touch later - i gotta run to a client meeting.

15:01

well old version sees my funds at least, but the chain isn't indexed

15:02

yknow if you are loading into a new wallet it wont see your funds accurately til it's done syncing

15:07

well it saw them the first time I ran them, and was updating from 3 weeks back

15:07

then I shut it and reopened, it sees no blocks no unconfirmed

15:08

at least previous version sees unconfirmed transactions, but it's 150 weeks behind

15:09

let both fully sync

15:09

well I've taken off 0.9, it's poison :P

15:11

that bad eh

15:13

well pretty inconvenient

15:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rGZmLDqXZM&feature=youtu.be

15:15

Cognitive Shareholder Proxy - YouTube

15:17

reminds me of 'deathbylollipop' if anyone here even remembers that guy

15:18

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1154 @ 0.0032202 = 3.7161 BTC [-] {4}

15:18

ah, i mean highlevelminer

15:19

aka n0n00dz4u

15:20

lol @ n0n00dz4u

15:20

*

mod6 remembers

15:24

apparently he OD'ed in june 2013

15:24

really?

15:24

http://twitter.com/deathbylollipop

15:24

Shao Ling (deathbylollipop) on Twitter

15:24

last I remember he called us all nigerians and left

15:25

tweets are on crack

15:25

pics would agree.

15:25

dang, dude chewed his hands something awful

15:27

ok, dead or in jail.

15:28

yeah mia for sure.

15:29

http://twitter.com/deathbylollipop/status/198159670387544064

15:29

Twitter / deathbylollipop: Check out http://t.co/p0d0y0PE. ...

15:29

#win

15:31

heh 0 vids.

15:31

failure to lauch

15:31

*launch

15:33

http://bitcointa.lk/threads/deathbylollipop-youtube-nightclub-bitcoin-campaign.50590/

15:33

Deathbylollipop youtube/nightclub bitcoin campaign | Bitcointa.lk

15:33

sorry i bring this up now, just so nostalgic...

15:33

>>Let me know guys... no malware downloads this time :)

15:34

I looked for your IPO that you had stated was already setup, but couldn't find it. Where can I send my BTC ? << shuaddup & take my precious BTC!

15:34

dunno if dude managed to open a btc wallet

15:35

where, indeed, can one send one's btc?

15:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9400 @ 0.00311047 = 29.2384 BTC [-] {39}

15:35

he ipo'd on ye ole global scam exchange, along with TEST

15:36

well, guess maybe it never made it out of the sandbox. still. lollerskates.

15:38

dub

obvious scammer, dude had no forehead

15:39

The engineer was caught after the blogger emailed Microsoft to confirm the authenticity of the leaked Windows 8 code. Investigators at the firm then reportedly looked through the blogger’s hotmail account and instant messenger chats to identify the source of the leak, and found an email from Kibaklo.

15:39

WE can put direct links to your businesses in the description of said video as well as get some girls to say " [your business name here] is great!!" while dressed up in fancy clothes and out on the town. << hahaha

15:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00361997 = 3.62 BTC [+] {15}

15:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0553005 = 0.1106 BTC [-] {2}

15:42

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.018 = 0.216 BTC [-]

15:42

no malware downloads this time?

15:43

as in, he uploaded malware for people to download previously?

15:43

yup

15:43

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 156 @ 0.0113785 = 1.775 BTC [-] {8}

15:43

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00364073 = 0.1966 BTC [+] {3}

15:44

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01067 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3}

15:47

dub

ThickAsThieves: place I worked would routinely snoop peoples gmail/hotmail passwords and go digging for shit related to performance issues

15:47

maybe so, but they snooped the blogger

15:47

not an employee

15:47

dub

I bet ToS allows it

15:48

does law?

15:48

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0032 = 0.32 BTC [-] {4}

15:49

yup its in the tos, under 'terrorist'

15:50

heh.

15:50

tos = terrorist of suspicion

15:56

http://gawker.com/bitcoin-trading-exchange-spurns-thirsty-sec-1547952895

15:56

Bitcoin Trading Exchange Spurns Thirsty SEC

15:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.062 = 1.302 BTC [-] {2}

16:00

"online bitcoin trading exchange"

16:01

loltron.

16:02

Still, better writeup than Bloomberg

16:05

BingoBoingo: are you coming to mp's party?

16:06

asciilifeform: Not this year

16:07

BingoBoingo: you know, there will be generic humans there, not just guest speakers

16:07

Sure, but passports, petty spats with local authorities

16:09

BingoBoingo: trapped in u.s. ?

16:09

BingoBoingo: might want to work on fixing this, if only for practice.

16:10

Of sorts, at least until May. I suppose I could drive to a North American border and walk if something urgent, but... This thing with the neighboring county still needs to play out

16:12

http://imgur.com/wqV5MuV

16:12

imgur: the simple image sharer

16:12

just got some mail :D

16:12

nubbins`: what is unusual about this printer?

16:12

wide-format

16:12

aha

16:13

can also print on optical discs!

16:13

we already have one of these with an all-black CIS hooked up, for printing films

16:13

this one will be for color prints

16:13

sadly, i dropped the ball and only ordered the color CIS kit today

16:14

what's it for? propaganda?

16:14

posters and proofs probly

16:16

^

16:16

all three, i suppose

16:16

altho silkscreen printing is a better medium for propaganda

16:17

we do occasionally get requests from people who want digital prints tho, and it's kind of silly to own a print shop that doesn't have a color printer

16:28

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 759 @ 0.00321635 = 2.4412 BTC [-] {5}

16:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0559999 = 0.112 BTC [-]

16:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.056 = 1.12 BTC [+] {3}

~ 25 minutes ~

16:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0568992 = 0.2845 BTC [+] {2}

17:10

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00320566 = 0.6411 BTC [-] {4}

17:12

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 504 @ 0.00100608 = 0.5071 BTC [-] {5}

17:19

Actual conversation with the irrelevant chatter filtered out. People were talking about making a leveraged trading platforms for altcoins. Advice falling on deaf ears.

17:21

[17:06] <Namworld> I'm a noob coder. I could maybe have patched up something in a few months, pretended I knew what I was doing and lost customers funds, making tons of money meanwhile. But I'm not a self-centered, over-confident, can-never-fail asshat,

17:21

[17:09] <Namworld> I know basic PHP and just barely touched database. I made a microapp for fun, that just tracks views and clicks and banners, for a banner exchange. Without any user interface or accounts capability. Just the script for the banners + tracking.

17:21

[17:09] <Namworld> If I had patched up an exchange with added complexity and everything, it would probably have been a security disaster.

17:21

[17:10] <TheMediator> Namworld, how long would it take you to get together something VERY simple so that like 10 of us could trade on it

17:21

[17:10] <TheMediator> I can host and such

17:21

[17:11] <Namworld> Dangerous thing, it took only a few hours to learn how to do. Making an exchange is in the reach of any moron willing to put a few days to learn how to and a month or two to code it full time.

17:21

[17:12] <Namworld> That's why you can't trust any website that comes up with a Bitcoin service. Even if it looks nice.

17:21

[17:12] <deup> that is why there are a bunch of exchanges

17:21

[17:12] <Namworld> You can't audit the code.

17:21

[17:12] <TheMediator> its up to you namworld. If you think you can make it happen, we can use it as a base.

17:21

[17:12] <TheMediator> and expand from there

17:21

[17:12] <TheMediator> I think we have enough experience between the regulars where we could take turns hacking the exchange until we get it fairly secure

17:21

I probably should have pastbin'ed that

17:21

^

17:23

who are these guys anyway ?

17:23

The generic BTC crowd.

17:24

Those that are on trading IRC channels talking about their profits and loss and speculating.

17:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]

17:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00082011 = 10.4974 BTC [+]

17:31

what do you want to trade?

17:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-] {3}

17:35

No, the currency trading channels

17:36

Not about trading between users, literally the channels where they just talk about what they're doing, why they think price is headed that or that way and such.

17:36

I'm not trading anything, I just have like 20+ IRC channels open about Bitcoin.

17:40

Namworld, you mean -pricetalk ?

17:42

not specifically, there's like 3-4 other channels like pricetalk.

17:43

At least for those with 30-50 users or more.

17:46

like #cryptoforex, or so?

17:46

or #bitcointraders or #bitcoin-analysis and etc

17:47

so you don't trade anything, but wanna know why the price went up or down?

17:47

maybe read goomboo's journal, or so?

17:47

but why should you care if the price goes up or down?

17:50

Who said I cared? I just have many BTC related channels opened at all time. On the plus side, those channels tend to be quick to link any article related to Bitcoin.

17:56

Ghaleon

if you import a wallet.dat file into bitcoind does it copy over the receiving addresses? everything that I have read says IT WILL NOT COPY over receiving addresses....

17:56

Ghaleon

opps wrong room sorry

18:11

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00557881 = 0.2789 BTC [+] {2}

18:16

yeye_

gg mp

18:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00338245 = 0.2537 BTC [-] {2}

18:28

;;later tell HeySteve2 didja fixit?

18:28

The operation succeeded.

18:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062998 = 0.126 BTC [+]

18:34

;;echo ℳ

18:34

ℳ

18:34

wowee

18:39

not quite

↖ ↖

18:39

;;re m/./ ℳ

18:39

â

18:39

o hai phf

18:40

hello, benkay

18:41

what brings you 'round these parts?

18:43

taking in the bitcoin knowledge

18:43

benkay: pronouns co-rrected

18:44

a neat

18:44

pro-rected

18:44

e-rected!

18:44

i'll erect some pronouns.

18:44

rect-imediated

18:45

rectumfied

18:46

nice

18:46

bitcoinpete

18:46

rectumfying pronouns

18:47

since spring 2014

18:48

so hey bitcoinpete do you know mardlin?

18:48

i don't… who is he?

18:48

another lifeboater

18:49

can't tell if actual fraternity or weird internet thing

18:49

blech, i have no idea either. regretting it now

18:49

HAW

18:49

reputational dependency management.

18:50

pretty mucho

18:50

worse than linkedin by my estimation

18:50

here's a blog post for ya: "the only dependency in your reputational toolchain should be gpg"

18:51

well, and a blog

18:51

mebbe.

18:51

bloggin's hard.

18:51

subject of

18:51

;;ident bitcoinpete

18:51

Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.

18:52

;;gettrust bitcoinpete

18:52

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never

18:53

do i need to do some small transactions to get that graph going or what?

18:53

yeah probably

18:53

borrow some btc for a week, pay it back

18:54

alrighty then. are you up for a little test run?

18:54

what rate are you offering?

18:55

what's standard for a first go?

18:55

aren't much by way of standards.

19:00

;;ident bitcoinpete

19:00

Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.

19:00

;;gpg eauth benkay

19:00

Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@71-34-67-232.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7

19:00

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1b105722fb05618adf22faa71ca8054449e9a726fcc83c785305f0ff

19:00

You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7

19:01

buy some ATC

19:01

thats a good easy way

19:01

;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete

19:01

Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD

19:02

>The Company may, by written notice to any Members, suspend payment of withdrawal proceeds to such Members if the Member Manager reasonably deems it necessary to do so to comply with anti-money laundering laws and regulations applicable to the Company or any of the Company’s service providers, or due to circumstances beyond its control, including but not limited to general civil disturbance or September 11, 2001 type events.

19:02

seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS"

19:02

hey i've got cum sircomstances out of your control

19:02

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:30e40cf0a5ed0435f6d19a11c6a1f3bbc5801de1cea9cbac9de2e5a5

19:02

facepalm.

19:02

You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD

19:03

bitcoinpete I can sell you a few ATC if you want to follow ThickAsThieves' advice

19:09

thickasthieves artifexd could we do a btc loan or purchase instead? don't want another client that bad

19:17

;;ident

19:17

Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None

19:22

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0033 = 0.1254 BTC [-]

19:28

nubbins`the pretty-much final version http://imgur.com/fpGdBdL

~ 18 minutes ~

19:47

hi

19:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299999 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}

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20:26

so can I buy google shares or other publicly traded companies on mpex?

20:30

no

20:30

oh

20:30

only amazon

20:30

err i ment myspace

20:30

lol

20:30

try looking at the site instead of asking stupid questions

20:30

I did

20:31

didnt explain about what shares you can buy I think

20:31

did ya see S.GOOG there?

20:32

its fairly clear, there is a contract for every enterprise

20:32

ohh sorry I was looking at the faq

20:32

so the shares on the home page are the only traded shares?

20:34

yes

20:35

the heading says stocks followed by tables of data

20:35

why not put on public companies like

20:35

exercise some brain power

20:35

ok i give up

20:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0559999 = 0.392 BTC [-]

20:35

lol

20:35

dude its 12:40 pm here i got no brain left

20:36

just wondering whats so good about mpex that anyone pays 30 btc for it

20:36

you should get up later

20:36

am*

20:36

you should be required to pay .01btc to talk in this channel

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per word

20:36

it would help in filtering dummies

20:37

Aquent you can use coinbr instead

20:38

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0032999 = 0.1419 BTC [+]

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21:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.59567897 = 11.9136 BTC [-] {9}

21:19

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/20/a-crypto-sting-operation-to-find-crypto-currency/?mod=WSJBlog

21:19

A Crypto-Sting Operation to Find Crypto-Currency - MoneyBeat - WSJ

21:19

is bitfinex a good exchange

21:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 289 @ 0.00596359 = 1.7235 BTC [-] {7}

21:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00325 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}

21:23

i dont think it has a good rep around here

21:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00323429 = 0.3202 BTC [-] {5}

21:27

ThickAsThieves, pretty sick! i like it

21:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00084498 = 25.5184 BTC [+] {2}

21:30

dignork

lol, "unspecified amounts of bitcoins are being moved, sometimes in fractions of a single bitcoin, into multiple accounts overseas". what do they smoke?

21:30

was shaky on the rocky horror font, but it seems to work

21:31

it's free thing with little planning, so not bad in that sense

21:31

but the guys were happy with it too

21:31

i'll connect you with music when it's ready too

21:32

i'm partial to that sort of font -- from the pink eye archives: http://imgur.com/Ompvb3G

21:32

who know what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?"

21:32

awesome, i'd love to hear it

21:38

mike_c

lol. do you know mymothersasshole's real name?

21:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7814 @ 0.00084098 = 6.5714 BTC [-]

21:52

didn't ukyo from bitfunder already use thistypeof scam - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20x0ww/mtgox_announces_they_actually_still_owned_200000/

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21:52

Ukyo

heh.

21:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3283 @ 0.00083917 = 2.755 BTC [-]

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22:11

Ukyo how come you hng out still but have no updates :(

22:11

hang*

22:13

to make it seem like he hasn't done a runner?

22:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.056999 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}

22:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.056999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {2}

22:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00084638 = 14.5577 BTC [+]

22:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3}

22:25

Ukyo

Or perhaps there are no updates?

22:25

Ukyo

Kinda hard to give what doesnt exist.

22:31

"Whenever some new and insightful piece of #bitcoin writing appears, I now automatically look for connection to @Mircea_Popescu"

22:31

twitter love, reddit hate. it's like the interwebs autobalance.

22:32

odd that the one facilitating less dialogue shows more love

22:32

i suspect it's more to do with ownership structure.

22:33

one's a dinky disqus-equivalent owned by conde nast. the other's a facebook-wannabe still in the cool vc phase.

22:37

how are you Ukyo?

22:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00084734 = 5.7195 BTC [+]

22:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3}

22:42

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.093669 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2}

22:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6617 @ 0.00084572 = 5.5961 BTC [-]

22:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0033 = 0.132 BTC [+]

22:51

jurov yeah, how was it

22:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22574 @ 0.00084347 = 19.0405 BTC [-] {2}

23:02

ThickAsThieves pretty incredible shit. so microsoft is playing nsa nao ?

23:02

no wonder the doj is claiming prism has full support from the usg-controlled corps a la google yahoo etc

23:03

whoa, gawker ? mp in gawker ? what has this world come to.

23:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+]

23:05

did anyone have trouble loading trilema today ?

23:05

dept of software.

23:05

mp in washington post!

23:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.057 = 0.114 BTC [+]

23:06

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/20/sec-gets-on-the-bitcoin-investigation-bandwagon

23:06

SEC gets on the Bitcoin investigation bandwagon

23:07

well, i guess there's going to be a steady stream of journo people coming in here these days

23:07

be nice to the noobs.

23:15

hi mircea_popescu

23:15

just read this scrollback for a sec

23:15

"After giving her a verbal spanking, he did leave room for future cooperation:"

23:15

hi again asciilifeform

23:16

where it says on your link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/20/sec-gets-on-the-bitcoin-investigation-bandwagon/) :

23:16

But then he said he wanted a bunch of impossible (at least in the near term) stuff before the two could talk frankly, including an SEC determination that it lacks jurisdiction over Bitcoin.

23:16

is that a direct quote? Whose voice is this sentence in?

23:18

it's a summary of statements made in the email exchange between MP and the SEC

23:19

http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

23:19

Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:19

mircea_popescudid anyone have trouble loading trilema today ? >> my cookie has disappeared is that what you're referring to?

23:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17613 @ 0.00084139 = 14.8194 BTC [-]

23:21

Duffer1 no, im referring to a bunch of news outlets linking it

23:21

trying to discern if any slashdot effect

23:21

Expires: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:49:14 PM

23:21

odd

23:21

ok

23:21

since i missed the chance back when slashdot linked it

23:22

mircea_popescu, what do you think the end-game will be?

23:22

will btc be "internet points" or will it be a currency?

23:22

for the purposes of the SEC etc

23:24

derp i fixed it

23:25

Namworld so you're making exchanges for noobs nao?

23:25

it's already a currency ninja

23:26

g_forcewinds ello.

23:26

hi

23:26

;;later tell yeye_ cheers.

23:26

The operation succeeded.

23:26

haven't used freenode before so pardon any etiquette mistakes here please

23:26

g_forcewinds you'll be fine.

23:26

so one thing is that i didn't dispute the legality of the sec's request, i asked them to establish it.

23:27

hmm seems an issue of semantics

23:27

there's an important difference here, i am in no position to dispute anything yet.

23:27

well actually, it's a fundamental issue of law which somehow seems lost on the journalistic profession

23:27

some guy wanted me how do i know i didn't break any laws.

23:27

g_forcewinds, not really. Like if you say, "Hi, could you tell me what I'm being arrested for" it's not the same as saying "I'm disputing this arrets, you're detaining me unlawfully!"

23:27

that's not how laws work. i don't declare that i broke no laws, and i don't contest the authority of some random person making demands.

23:28

it works the other way around : i don't argue the negative, they make the statements that establish the positive.

23:28

so how you would characterize your email exchange with the SEC?

23:28

the sec couldn't decide if it wants to be friends or it wants to be an authority.

23:28

i indicated to them that they have to make this choice, and how to go about being friends.

23:28

indeed

23:29

i wouldn't presume to tell them how to be authoritative, i imagine they have lawyers that can sort it out.

23:29

either way, i'm not denying or arguing or anything else. someone calls you on the phone, you ask "who is this"

23:29

but you did question their authority to ask for those documents etc and asked them to show what legal basis they h ad for doing so, yes?

23:30

that "and" doesn't work. i didn't question anything, i asked them the traditional quo warranto.

23:30

show your right.

23:30

http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/

23:30

The reasons why Bitcoin securities can’t be regulated by the SEC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po

23:31

that aside : what makes you judge we're talking about "A bunch of impossible" ?

23:31

Thanks for clarifying your perspective Mircea. I'll be sure to reach out if I you end up in a story again. What's the best way to get in touch? FYI I work at night

23:31

anyone recall the u.s. supreme court case which proclaimed that barter in grain is taxable?

23:31

this is by far the best way

23:32

these buggers truly imagine themselves masters of the universe

23:32

not merely of dollar

23:32

and have, since '30s

23:32

good night guys

23:32

asciilifeform there's a major difference there too. the grain case (and the oranges cove case which is used to teach kids about the sec) all discuss actual items of value.

23:32

my impossible i meant that it takes a long time for the SEC to make a determination like whether they are going to regulate. I could be wrong, but I think a public comment period is required

23:32

or the u.s. proclamation of extraterritorial jurisdiction of any submarine not carrying a flag

23:33

there's a lot of difference between trading oranges and trading monopoly money.

23:33

or of nuclear weapons

23:33

(all in federal law, on the books, plain as daylight)

23:33

g_forcewinds well, yes, but they do have the help of the fed and gao already making similar determinations.

23:33

that doesnt speed up their own determination though

23:33

as far as i know this matter has been discussed in their comission already, and they're working towards a decision

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23:33

well ok, but that'd have been a prime spot to crack the story you know ?

23:33

go hunt down the comissioners and ask them pointed q's about exactly this.

23:34

I'd love to chat further but at the moment I must run. I'm at work and have stories to write. Hope to chat again soon.

23:34

later!

23:34

ianal. but it would surprise me greatly if the matter is settled in such a way as for usg to tell itself to pound sand

23:34

If I see any commissioners when Im up at 3am ill be sure to ask them ;-)

23:34

what time is it there now anyway

23:35

11:30

23:35

pm, east coast

23:35

pa, lime midnight

23:35

yea ok

23:37

asciilifeform you know, such things happen. contrary to what the general public perceives of the government, it does tell itself to go pack sand all the time.

23:37

perhaps not as often as is the case in romania, but definitely a lot more often than is the case in russia or w/e

23:37

china.

23:37

sure - people do surrender occasionally. esp. if they aren't paid enough to give a damn.

23:38

nah, not at all what i mean.

23:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00325183 = 0.6374 BTC [-] {4}

23:52

kakobrekla seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS" << yeah, it's a term of art :D

23:52

ThickAsThieves you drew that shit ?!

23:56