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00:00	Vexual	points for goa trance
00:04	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4khelsQ8LdQ
00:04	ozbot	Aeon Flux - The Complete Animated Collection Trailer - YouTube
00:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00092681 = 10.0095 BTC [-]
00:11	Mats_cd03	.bait
00:11	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m741ce4H5a1qcq2olo1_500.jpg
00:12	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: with info i dumped today I limited the population that coul be me to even rather naive lusers to 1
00:13	Vexual	you forgot to sa ratio
00:15	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_pS46YRMIQ
00:15	ozbot	Die Antwoord - Zef Side. - YouTube
00:15	BingoBoingo	Vexual: Finite things have answers in the world that aren't numbers though
00:16	Vexual	tell my oncologist
00:17	BingoBoingo	Vexual: methotrexate
00:21	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JYzOjglBs
00:21	ozbot	Seeed: Aufstehn - (official Video) - YouTube
00:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
00:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4196 @ 0.00092614 = 3.8861 BTC [-]
00:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00092033 = 10.0776 BTC [-]
00:34	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw6ofgKjuGo
00:34	ozbot	Die Antwoord - I Don't Need You (Unofficial) - YouTube
00:36	BingoBoingo	Vexual: You self chemo yet?
00:37	Vexual	no
00:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2323 @ 0.0030001 = 6.9692 BTC [-] {4}
00:41	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes damn
00:41	ozbot	MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - THRIFT SHOP FEAT. WANZ (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube
00:55	Mats_cd03	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 1.9bln views
00:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00458895 = 0.1285 BTC [-]
00:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00458894 = 0.2157 BTC [-] {2}
00:58	Namworld	Do you know the consequences of having bids at 10000 and asks at 500 bugged on the orderbook? All shorts/margins are considered in the profits massively. And you can just margin to the max based on fake profits. Apparently.
00:59	Namworld	And run your account into the red when the actual last price makes shorts/calls execute.
00:59	Namworld	Someone put a screenshot in markets channel
00:59	Namworld	http://i.imgur.com/LdXwDlM.png
01:01	Namworld	Or actually they don't get executed based on last price... not sure.
01:01	Namworld	Either way
01:01	Namworld	If whoever put those orders in there removes them... might cause a mass execute of all margin orders.
01:02	Namworld	Because it seems the current situation gives everyone on finex more or less infinite margin.
01:05	BingoBoingo	45 minutes
01:15	herbijudlestoids	whats that sound that the quarry makes
01:15	herbijudlestoids	in flinstones at the end of the day
01:15	herbijudlestoids	that noise just went off in my head
01:15	herbijudlestoids	yabbadabbadoo
01:22	Bugpowder	So is gox finally imploding?
01:23	BingoBoingo	Bugpowder: We can hope
01:24	Bugpowder	Just shut it down for the love of god
01:26	BingoBoingo	Bugpowder: When dicks can eat themselves
01:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00086293 = 6.6877 BTC [-]
01:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11839999 = 0.592 BTC [+] {3}
01:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.11999999 = 0.48 BTC [+]
01:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.12111111 = 1.09 BTC [+] {2}
01:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12428571 = 0.87 BTC [+] {2}
01:37	herbijudlestoids	Namworld: any ideas how it happened?
01:37	herbijudlestoids	bug in the orderbook?
01:37	herbijudlestoids	poor matching system?
01:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12666666 = 0.38 BTC [+] {2}
01:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.13045453 = 1.435 BTC [+] {2}
01:39	Apocalyptic	hey Bugpowder, long time no see
01:40	Bugpowder	yo
01:46	benkay	asssssses
01:46	benkay	whats up mah neeeeeg
01:47	herbijudlestoids	Bugpowder: there has certainly been some complaints on /r/BitCoin which i check once a week or so
01:49	Namworld	Bug in the orderbook. Someone managed to place a fucked order and it's stuck there, it seems.
01:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012949 = 0.1295 BTC [+]
01:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 23 @ 0.005 = 0.115 BTC
01:52	benkay	vexual i didn't know you were a seeed fan
01:53	herbijudlestoids	Namworld: any indications why the order wasnt matched in auction correctly?
01:53	herbijudlestoids	or why the exch admins havent matched manually?
01:54	herbijudlestoids	how can there be any margin liquidations if the orderbook is broken :P
01:54	Namworld	Because something must be botched in the code and it doesn't work, obviously.
01:54	herbijudlestoids	not like they can clear any orders in the market on customers with margin calls
01:55	Namworld	Luk hiere, thangs ir bork'd op.
01:55	Namworld	Margin liquidation can happen on finex. People can withdraw LTC/BTC
01:55	Namworld	All numbers are borked up.
01:55	herbijudlestoids	how are the liquidations happening
01:56	herbijudlestoids	sorry if im pestering
01:56	Namworld	How would I freaking now?
01:56	Namworld	Code is borked is borked.
01:56	Namworld	Seems quite simple.
01:56	Namworld	It's the Bitopocalypse.
01:57	benkay	derpy web app developers match orders manually? don't make me laugh, herbijudlestoids
01:57	benkay	Namworld herbijudlestoids how do we profit off of all this incompetence?
01:57	herbijudlestoids	short bitfinex on MPEX? :P
01:57	Namworld	We don't.
01:57	herbijudlestoids	^
01:58	herbijudlestoids	do not get involved
01:58	herbijudlestoids	best risk/reward ratio
01:58	Namworld	I tested with a small amount. No orders/margins go through. Withdrawals occurs.
01:59	Namworld	I would guess wallet would have gone empty OR Bitstamp would have been crashed/pumped infinitely if people managed to exploit it.
01:59	herbijudlestoids	it doesnt make sense to me unless the exchange is flawed by design
01:59	herbijudlestoids	youre saying the wide orders placed in the book jammed it up
01:59	herbijudlestoids	margin liquidations happen into the orderbook
01:59	BingoBoingo	Namworld: Bitocolypse was 11 months ago
02:00	herbijudlestoids	if liquidations are happening without going into the market then the exchange is taking on liabilities which might not be available when the market returns at the correct volumes
02:00	kakobrekla	mornin
02:00	herbijudlestoids	hullo kako :)
02:00	herbijudlestoids	whats your 2c?
02:00	kakobrekla	;;ticker
02:00	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 851.51234, Best ask: 853.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48766, Last trade: 853.0, 24 hour volume: 17904.66180588, 24 hour low: 801.0, 24 hour high: 933.51848, 24 hour vwap: 868.59757
02:01	kakobrekla	i need coffee
02:01	Namworld	kako
02:01	kakobrekla	m?
02:01	Namworld	Bitfinex huge derping
02:01	kakobrekla	gox stuck?
02:01	Namworld	Have a laugh this morning
02:01	Namworld	No, Bitfinex...
02:01	kakobrekla	hm
02:01	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: gox finally bleeds
02:01	herbijudlestoids	woah, the GHs/BTC price on cex.io has finally crashed too
02:01	Namworld	Someone managed to stuck a 10000 USD bid and a 500 USD ask that won't go away.
02:01	kakobrekla	wait isnt bitfinex just passing orders through
02:02	Namworld	So all margins, trades, etc are derping hard
02:02	kakobrekla	bah im outta power again
02:02	kakobrekla	mother fuckers
02:02	kakobrekla	later.
02:02	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Cex was always scam
02:02	Namworld	Awww...
02:02	kakobrekla	brb asap
02:02	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: ? what do you mean? i thought the GHs/BTC price was always destined to go down, not a scam simply as a function of the ROI on 1GHs
02:03	herbijudlestoids	i been watching it since it was 0.18 lol
02:03	herbijudlestoids	if only you could short it
02:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9267 @ 0.00082189 = 7.6165 BTC [-]
02:03	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: scam on the Doge/Itallian style
02:04	herbijudlestoids	in the sense of, its not a good investment to put money into versus just holding BTC?
02:04	herbijudlestoids	sorry, im retarded
02:04	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: As in btter answer in 40 mins
02:04	herbijudlestoids	you gotta explain things real slow for retards
02:05	Mats_cd03	hes as clueless about what that means as you are
02:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
02:07	Mats_cd03	if his english wasnt inconsistently shite id wonder if BingoBoingo was an AI
02:09	herbijudlestoids	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jersey-subpoena-issued-mit-student-bitcoin-developers
02:09	ozbot	EFF Challenges New Jersey Subpoena Issued to MIT Student Bitcoin Developers | Electronic Frontier Fo
02:09	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00172845 = 0.8642 BTC [-]
02:10	herbijudlestoids	lol this is a pretty hilarious article
02:10	jayk	BingoBoingo
02:10	herbijudlestoids	"We explained to the New Jersey Attorney General that Tidbit's code as configured was incapable of mining for Bitcoins, meaning it could not provide much of the information requested in the subpoena. Plus, New Jersey had no jurisdiction to issue a subpoena to Rubin, who lived in Massachusetts, or Tidbit, which had no connections to New Jersey at all; the server housing the code is not located in New Jersey and Tid
02:11	jayk	http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/2/4/5380284/richard-sherman-violently-owns-a-troll-on-twitter-with-lombardi-trophy
02:11	ozbot	Richard Sherman violently owns a troll on Twitter with Lombardi Trophy - SBNation.com
02:11	jayk	lol
02:11	jayk	he lost his twitter account ha ha
02:16	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03 Nikkers
02:16	KRS-One	Major bitfinex fuckup
02:16	KRS-One	Trading halted
02:16	herbijudlestoids	KRS-One: scroll up namworld has some screenshots and a small amt info
02:16	BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Which fuckup counts nao?
02:17	Namworld	Old news, KRS
02:18	jayk	oh
02:18	benkay	Namworld herbijudlestoids how do we profit off of all this incompetence?
02:18	kakobrekla	that was fast.
02:18	Namworld	You apparently can't, benkay
02:19	kakobrekla	hehe
02:19	BingoBoingo	benkay: Looks like Richard sherman could use a few BJ's
02:19	benkay	buh kill ring
02:20	jayk	poor sherman
02:20	jayk	he's probably celebrated out
02:20	KRS-One	holy shits
02:20	KRS-One	this is messed up
02:20	BingoBoingo	jayk: He still kept Dever from going long all game. Dunno how a cornerback could be better, He owned that shit.
02:21	KRS-One	I shorted almost 1000 LTC since amost $21..now its what, $14?
02:21	BingoBoingo	KRS-One: What scammed you nao? Doge?
02:21	jayk	they didn't talk about him though i was surprised
02:21	kakobrekla	how is it messed up, they have nice css
02:21	KRS-One	BingoBoingo: I only touch BTC/LTC.
02:21	BingoBoingo	jayk: The didn't need because he was good.
02:22	BingoBoingo	KRS-One: If you touch LTC Goat touches you... at night... quietly...
02:22	kakobrekla	haha
02:22	KRS-One	Just my f'n luck..wonder if I'll wake up and LTC is $22
02:23	jayk	i should add a section to wiki with bold text face Peyten's Fumble
02:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.4987529 = 31.4214 BTC [+] {4}
02:23	BingoBoingo	jayk: No reason, was a boring game
02:23	KRS-One	and yet tweens are doubling, tripling their money on cryptsy of all exchanges with "doggie" coin and I got thousands sitting here I cant touch.
02:23	jayk	it'll be in the reels though in future games and bloopers
02:24	jayk	He'll be known for this forever.
02:24	jayk	at the store today i talked about it with complete strangers
02:24	BingoBoingo	Some Nigga post this to Slashdot then we vote it immortal http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/04/memes-go-meta-altcoin-unveiled-this-past-weekend/#more-611
02:25	BingoBoingo	'Cous Somalia
02:25	Namworld	Well one user posted this earlier: http://i.imgur.com/LdXwDlM.png
02:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2910 @ 0.00082988 = 2.415 BTC [+]
02:25	Namworld	It's a good condensed explanation.
02:26	Namworld	They say a picture is worth a thousand word after all.
02:26	BingoBoingo	Namworld: I will still loan for your tumor and revenge as collateral.
02:26	BingoBoingo	Goat kind of ruined the market though with the scam lambo
02:28	Namworld	Tumor and revenge as collateral?
02:28	Namworld	What?
02:29	benkay	scam lambo? what?
02:29	BingoBoingo	Namworld: I'll give you that roughly 300 btc if you can perfectly surgically extract a lobe of your lung. Remember. Nao ignore. DO better or be a bit hobo.
02:30	BingoBoingo	benkay: GOat's lambo. Made of pure filtered scam.
02:30	benkay	in that paid for with scam or doctored photos?
02:30	BingoBoingo	Goat is maybe 3 degrees warmer than thermos.
02:30	BingoBoingo	Goat is such scam.
02:32	BingoBoingo	I am glad I dun let drunk me know cold storage addresses because 12 years a Goat would get an Oscar.
02:32	herbijudlestoids	uh oh
02:32	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo did you put another bottle of vodka in ur butt again
02:33	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Doesn't matter I am 30 miles from the nearest person with the right to care.
02:34	BingoBoingo	Also I take my vodka in the mouth. And I regret that traitorous Kentucky existed.
02:34	Namworld	http://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitfinex/USD
02:34	ozbot	bitcoinity.org/markets
02:34	Namworld	Courtesy lolcode
02:34	BingoBoingo	Namworld: Was nevar a thing
02:35	Namworld	Bitfinex had a brain fart.
02:35	herbijudlestoids	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-05/argentine-banking-system-archives-destroyed-deadly-fire
02:35	ozbot	Argentine Banking System Archives Destroyed By Deadly Fire | Zero Hedge
02:35	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Ain't deadly with a body count
02:36	Namworld	That zerohedge article... it's gonna be good... in a sad sad way. I can feel it.
02:37	BingoBoingo	Namworld: Zeroedge is worse than Business insider, except they can know it.
02:37	benkay	wow they actually murdered people to cover up the bank malfeasance
02:37	BingoBoingo	Does Open Genera need money? Who would donate to tit?
02:38	BingoBoingo	benkay: Does cause 'Murica sound familar?
02:38	Namworld	https://www.bitstamp.net/market/order_book/
02:38	ozbot	Order book - Bitstamp
02:38	Namworld	Well I haven't seen such an orderbook in a while.
02:40	BingoBoingo	Namworld: mandingo fight?
02:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]
02:41	BingoBoingo	I have like, never wanted to enter a three month coma before like ever in my short ass life.
02:41	BingoBoingo	I blame the Cipher Anglo Trannie
02:41	BingoBoingo	For promoting scams
02:42	Namworld	What are you talking about? I don't have a clue what all you're saying is supposed to be about.
02:42	BingoBoingo	Namworld: Forum less, read moar.
02:42	Namworld	I barely use the forum.
02:43	BingoBoingo	Namworld: At least start with Aristotle's physics. That makes Altcoins special kind of purty.
02:45	BingoBoingo	I doubt I could hate White people more than BTC pushes me to.
02:45	BingoBoingo	I'd hate green people moar, but
02:48	Namworld	Are you on drugs right now? Each line seems either incoherent or unrelated to the previous one, more or less.
02:49	herbijudlestoids	is there any demand for physical wallets?
02:49	BingoBoingo	Namworld: Each next line seems more coherent than your last. Am I beating you on some sort on glacier sense olympics?
02:49	herbijudlestoids	cold storage wallets i mean
02:50	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Quite a bit for good ones
02:50	BingoBoingo	A lot of business there
02:50	herbijudlestoids	cos i was just looking at the coldcoins website cache, they were doing 5 for 50USD, laser engraved steel of BIP38 encrypted wallets
02:50	herbijudlestoids	and they closed down, citing not enough demand
02:51	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: what constitutes a good one?
02:51	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Maybe their product was wrong?
02:51	jayk	christina o
02:51	benkay	business model, likely.
02:51	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Find what makes a good cold wallet?
02:51	benkay	you're not going to run a fab shop on wallets.
02:52	benkay	wallets might make a nice revenue stream for a fab shop, however.
02:52	BingoBoingo	^^
02:52	herbijudlestoids	but a steel engraving machine only costs 700AUD?
02:52	benkay	subtle distinction that these programmerrers will never get.
02:52	benkay	well you gotta operate it, keep lights on, run a business you know.
02:54	benkay	business as waterwheel; water must flow. business must come through the operation. if business is a whole bunch of metalworking work, then wallets can be a small fraction of the biz and still work. if biz throughput is just wallet engravings, well, that sustains a much smaller operation.
02:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00082531 = 13.4113 BTC [-]
03:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.0001001 = 0.1001 BTC [-]
03:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 1900 @ 0.00010001 = 0.19 BTC [-]
03:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220 @ 0.00082687 = 0.1819 BTC [+]
03:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]
03:11	herbijudlestoids	^ portfolio trade
03:12	benkay	missing bbet
03:13	benkay	who buys mg and not bbet? one throws off divs.
03:13	BingoBoingo	worse benkay
03:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00082687 = 0.4961 BTC [+]
03:14	BingoBoingo	benkay: Mircea likes gurls who do BBEt math
03:17	benkay	BingoBoingo you ain't makin no sense no mo
03:18	BingoBoingo	Depends. Am I niggers.txt or nigger.cl
03:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00447453 = 0.4922 BTC [-] {5}
03:22	BingoBoingo	benkay: What can Yogi handle? Oh Lord Jesus its a fire? Fuck no!
03:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28180 @ 0.00082687 = 23.3012 BTC [+]
03:31	BingoBoingo	Who shorted functional gardens though...
03:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00082613 = 14.4573 BTC [-] {2}
03:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2897 @ 0.00078874 = 2.285 BTC [-] {17}
03:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1825 @ 0.00065221 = 1.1903 BTC [-] {8}
03:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1446 @ 0.00012937 = 0.1871 BTC [+] {2}
03:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4373 @ 0.00051933 = 2.271 BTC [-] {17}
03:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1245 = 1.245 BTC [+] {2}
03:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12340 @ 0.00082988 = 10.2407 BTC [+]
03:41	Mats_cd03	I want to use amazon to move all my non furniture shit across the country
03:41	Mats_cd03	Why is moving still so expensive? Jesus
03:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00083282 = 16.9479 BTC [+]
03:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
03:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1015 @ 0.00080063 = 0.8126 BTC [+] {2}
03:44	Mats_cd03	Also ozbot needs a voteban command
03:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
03:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52839998 BTC [+]
04:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1087 @ 0.0001293 = 0.1405 BTC [-]
04:09	cazalla	i always found moving cheap
04:09	cazalla	but then i only needed to move a desktop + clothes until i bought a home
04:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 207 @ 0.00072513 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4}
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04:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 286 @ 0.0007 = 0.2002 BTC [-]
04:39	Rick_	hi
04:40	Rick_	Mircea is here?
04:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 895 @ 0.00012939 = 0.1158 BTC [+] {2}
04:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
04:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
04:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00084336 = 32.0477 BTC [+]
04:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
04:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
04:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
04:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
04:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
05:00	herbijudlestoids	http://imgur.com/gallery/nb8fK
05:00	ozbot	Athletes and journalists start to check into Sochi. - Imgur
05:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
05:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
05:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0004137 = 0.2069 BTC [-] {6}
05:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012302 = 0.123 BTC [-] {9}
05:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00434141 = 0.8683 BTC [-] {11}
05:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00084864 = 18.9247 BTC [+]
05:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
05:27	grazs	lifestyle journalists who are spoiled brats, refreshing
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05:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.12 = 0.72 BTC [-]
05:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
05:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}
06:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+]
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06:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
06:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0008588 = 7.0851 BTC [+]
07:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00085437 = 25.1185 BTC [-] {2}
07:04	ThickAsThieves	Current transaction count: 4,819; stuck transaction outputs: 55,546.70 BTC (as of Feb 06 2014 12:03:21 UTC)
07:08	kakobrekla	gox?
07:10	truffles	ruined my 1st car yay
07:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.500101 BTC [-]
07:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.49717171 = 3.4802 BTC [-] {4}
07:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.06846306 = 0.89 BTC [-] {10}
07:17	truffles	hi Chaaang-Noi
07:19	ThickAsThieves	yep gox
07:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05872727 = 0.646 BTC [-] {4}
07:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000795 = 0.2385 BTC [-]
07:21	ThickAsThieves	http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html
07:21	ozbot	Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org
07:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 630 @ 0.0008 = 0.504 BTC [+]
07:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1711 BTC [+]
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07:38	ThickAsThieves	MaxCoin, the new crypto currency founded by Max Keiser will launch on February 5 and it has a good chance of crossing $20 million in market cap its first month of mining.
07:38	ThickAsThieves	With over 88 altcoins listed on Coin Market Cap, it’s getting tougher to find the winners, but MaxCoin really stands out and here is why.
07:38	ThickAsThieves	Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/maxcoin-the-next-altcoin-to-hit-20-million/#GWVehdKiqz68FXee.99
07:38	ThickAsThieves	MaxKeiserTV has 39K subscribers. His “personal” twitter handle has close to 91K followers and the Maxcoin “official” twitter handle has 4.2K followers. Pretty impressive for a coin that hasn’t launched yet!
07:38	ThickAsThieves	Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/maxcoin-the-next-altcoin-to-hit-20-million/#GWVehdKiqz68FXee.99
07:38	ThickAsThieves	fukn autolinks
07:38	ThickAsThieves	MaxCoin’s mining difficulty will be retargeted using the kimoto gravity well algorithm. Recently, the Dogecoin developers have been thinking of retargeting this way as well
07:39	kakobrekla	algorhitmic dorra dorra bills yo
07:42	ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/431407548210483200
07:42	ozbot	Twitter / TheRealAltcoin: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ...
07:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00085692 = 14.6962 BTC [+]
07:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7150 @ 0.00012975 = 0.9277 BTC [+] {9}
07:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.003 = 0.975 BTC [+]
07:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.003 = 0.525 BTC [+]
08:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00012987 = 0.5195 BTC [+] {2}
08:11	truffles	keisercoin sounds cooler imo
08:12	truffles	sounds close ro kaiser
08:12	ThickAsThieves	do you even mine?
08:12	truffles	i dont even alt no
08:13	truffles	i was optimistic about the coins now after seeing it unfold ive gone cynic
08:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00085791 = 19.2172 BTC [+] {2}
08:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12799999 BTC [+]
08:31	grazs	he's a tool
08:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+]
08:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00085412 = 30.2358 BTC [-] {3}
08:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4518 @ 0.00012201 = 0.5512 BTC [-] {4}
08:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1916 @ 0.00011903 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {2}
09:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52826801 BTC [+]
09:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52827001 = 1.0565 BTC [+] {2}
09:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.52826894 = 8.9806 BTC [-] {3}
09:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52839898 = 1.0568 BTC [+] {2}
09:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
09:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52839899 = 2.642 BTC [+]
09:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29312 @ 0.00085386 = 25.0283 BTC [-]
09:06	KRS-One	delusions of self importance
09:07	truffles	just about everyone :p
09:07	KRS-One	everyone what?
09:07	truffles	thinks highly of self
09:07	KRS-One	not those who have been humbled..
09:08	KRS-One	might even take a few times..
09:08	truffles	ya
09:08	KRS-One	I think everyone needs to be put to that test.
09:08	KRS-One	World might even be a better place.
09:08	KRS-One	And with more bait, of course.
09:08	KRS-One	.bait
09:08	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m179qrVkVE1r2ytgyo1_1280.jpg
09:08	KRS-One	:O
09:09	truffles	id start with something else, like empathy
09:09	KRS-One	that ones like..BAM
09:09	truffles	booooobs
09:09	truffles	why is the lower region on display, is that like appealing?
09:09	KRS-One	those breastestes look down right uncomfortable.
09:10	KRS-One	truffles: not even
09:10	truffles	im sure there are some who enjoy that..
09:10	KRS-One	she better not travel quickly though any areas of great pressure difference or there could be a big ole mess.
09:11	truffles	face not even important enough ..
09:11	truffles	tv show had woman fall from respectable height into water, massive boobs popped heh
09:11	KRS-One	Nothing special at all..kind of beavis like... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJrq00ICMAEL96k.jpg
09:12	KRS-One	Yeah! I heard abou tthat.
09:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00085461 = 19.656 BTC [+]
09:12	KRS-One	and the one bitch on the airplane.
09:12	KRS-One	Could you imagine getting some of the fallout on you?? I'd be scared for life.
09:13	truffles	dunno if we're on the same ppl, but doubt they consider that when purchasing
09:13	ThickAsThieves	Altcoin Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4973367#msg4973367
09:13	truffles	u mean the person who bought or random?
09:13	KRS-One	ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right?
09:14	truffles	silicone feels nice afaik
09:14	KRS-One	Is it traded on any exchanges yet?
09:14	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves did you ever get the code ?
09:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+]
09:14	ThickAsThieves	no
09:14	ThickAsThieves	i'm still crossing my fingers pankakke can help or it magically appears
09:15	ThickAsThieves	otherwise i guess i'll post bounties to strangers
09:15	mircea_popescu	da fuck is matt doing.
09:15	truffles	"Fight the fight, sing the song" hehe
09:16	ThickAsThieves	<KRS-One> ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right? << as much as anything in life
09:16	truffles	haha
09:17	mircea_popescu	depends on whose life.
09:17	mircea_popescu	lyfe*
09:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04909986 = 0.1473 BTC [-]
09:17	ThickAsThieves	all values are dynamic, you taught me that
09:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00085557 = 24.2982 BTC [+]
09:18	truffles	even honey badger name drops hmm
09:18	mircea_popescu	if doge had the sense to start all addresses with Derp
09:18	Duffer1	hehe
09:18	mircea_popescu	then the association of herpetologist s could have made herpcoin
09:19	mircea_popescu	and we could have had herpderp altcoin wars
09:19	mircea_popescu	people. no strategic lulzforesight at all.
09:19	truffles	dodge envy itc
09:19	dexX7	http://www.cfr.org/economics/voices-next-generation-gavin-andresen-bitcoin/p32339
09:21	truffles	TAT what happens when some random noob gets pissed at u
09:22	ThickAsThieves	depends
09:22	Duffer1	who would get mad at tat?
09:22	truffles	me?
09:22	Apocalyptic	someone who bought X-BOND above the buyback price ?
09:22	Duffer1	hehe
09:22	ThickAsThieves	i can think of more
09:22	ThickAsThieves	hehe
09:23	ThickAsThieves	i'll either handle it, or i won't, or the crowd will
09:23	truffles	Apocalyptic have u played BingoBoingo yet?
09:23	Apocalyptic	yeah, was a one time thing though
09:23	truffles	im unhappy with the win loss ratio
09:24	truffles	why
09:24	ThickAsThieves	gavin hes lego hair
09:24	ThickAsThieves	has*
09:24	truffles	was he snail pace?
09:24	Apocalyptic	we call it playmobil hair here
09:24	ThickAsThieves	hehe
09:25	truffles	yes no???
09:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00085406 = 29.0807 BTC [-] {4}
09:27	PsychoticBoy_	all assets are crap and virtual
09:27	PsychoticBoy_	not backed by anything but air
09:27	ThickAsThieves	is keiser promoting maxcoin legal? i mean it's like 99% ponzi no?
09:27	PsychoticBoy_	whole MPex for example
09:27	PsychoticBoy_	ppl still buying that degrading shit
09:28	ThickAsThieves	you were asking who gets mad at TAT?
09:28	ThickAsThieves	enter PBoy
09:28	PsychoticBoy_	no I am not mad
09:28	truffles	Usao Scoin
09:28	truffles	TERRORISTS USE BTC, SHUT IT DOWN
09:28	Apocalyptic	u mad bro ?
09:28	PsychoticBoy_	yup and the bigest terrorist is the USA
09:29	PsychoticBoy_	hopefully THEY get hat they deserve :)
09:29	PsychoticBoy_	f the usa
09:29	mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy_ listen here, just because you ran a shit asset on the global scam exchange
09:29	PsychoticBoy_	come on Russia bomb USA
09:29	mircea_popescu	doesn't mean everyone's you.
09:29	PsychoticBoy_	lol
09:29	PsychoticBoy_	gypsy king is speaking
09:29	mircea_popescu	easiest thing to do this, i'm stupid so therefore the world's dumb.
09:30	mircea_popescu	and that "degrading shit", for your information, has been here while you've been taking your goat sabbatical
09:30	PsychoticBoy_	goat?
09:30	mircea_popescu	"o herpderp i take a year off come back everyone forgot everything"
09:30	PsychoticBoy_	fuck goat
09:30	PsychoticBoy_	the scamming thai bitch
09:30	mircea_popescu	i can't distinguish between you glbse set.
09:30	mircea_popescu	but anyway. got shit to do so, later.
09:30	truffles	Goat is scammer?
09:30	truffles	:(
09:30	PsychoticBoy_	uhhh you did not know
09:30	PsychoticBoy_	lol
09:31	Apocalyptic	goat ran pirate's PT
09:31	truffles	PT?
09:31	truffles	link?
09:31	Duffer1	passthrough
09:31	Apocalyptic	passthrough
09:31	Apocalyptic	link ? check the forums, it's common knowledge here
09:31	PsychoticBoy_	chaaang noi is banned at most places
09:32	PsychoticBoy_	changes his name every day on bitcointalk
09:32	PsychoticBoy_	says enough
09:32	ThickAsThieves	how many days between when you change names?
09:32	PsychoticBoy_	I?
09:32	truffles	well thats disappointing
09:33	PsychoticBoy_	I do not change name because I am a very very reputable member of this community :)
09:33	PsychoticBoy_	unlike others
09:33	PsychoticBoy_	many know me personal
09:33	Duffer1	;;gpg info psychoticboy_
09:33	gribble	No such user registered.
09:33	PsychoticBoy_	like all people on conferences
09:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04800001 = 0.288 BTC [-] {2}
09:39	ThickAsThieves	did you go to the Amsterdam one?
09:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7294 @ 0.00085309 = 6.2224 BTC [-]
09:54	assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C155T] 20 @ 0.00792262 = 0.1585 BTC [-]
09:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50025452 BTC [-]
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+]
10:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27756 @ 0.00085494 = 23.7297 BTC [+] {2}
10:02	PsychoticBoy_	yes I was at the Amsterdam con
10:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.00339001 = 0.2271 BTC [+]
10:02	PsychoticBoy_	45 min drive so it was around the corner
10:05	ThickAsThieves	maybe we met
10:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04909984 = 0.1964 BTC [+] {2}
10:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19454 @ 0.00085851 = 16.7015 BTC [+]
10:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.54104998 = 4.3284 BTC [+] {6}
10:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.128 = 1.28 BTC [+] {2}
10:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+]
10:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [-]
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10:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086017 = 15.397 BTC [+] {2}
10:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04909986 = 0.3928 BTC [+]
10:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+]
10:34	Chaaang-Noi	hi truffles was sleeping :)\
10:41	mike_c	;;bc,24hprc
10:42	gribble	813.68
10:42	mike_c	this is the real problem with not announcing option excercies. we don't get to watch the drama unfold :)
10:42	mike_c	i bet the option whale is having a bad day.
10:44	pankkake	I thought they were at the end of the month?
10:45	kakobrekla	cheaper today
10:45	pankkake	oh
10:46	pankkake	lol, it looks like the only way to change your havelock password is to do "forgot password"
10:46	mike_c	;;calc ((500/813) - .1) - .4879146
10:46	gribble	0.0270915500615
10:47	mike_c	whale sold the puts, so mpoe could excercise for a mpex profit today
10:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.04967205 = 14.9016 BTC [+] {12}
11:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14774 @ 0.00086697 = 12.8086 BTC [+]
11:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 424 @ 0.00302 = 1.2805 BTC [+]
11:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00480099 = 0.1008 BTC [+]
11:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0030469 = 0.9141 BTC [+]
11:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00304689 = 4.5642 BTC [-]
11:27	Duffer1	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/
11:27	ozbot	New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica
11:27	Duffer1	it's about time
11:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0030469 = 0.6094 BTC [+]
11:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2645 @ 0.00307646 = 8.1372 BTC [+] {10}
11:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2655 @ 0.00305301 = 8.1057 BTC [-] {5}
11:37	pankkake	"One of the world’s most mysterious Bitcoin-related companies" lol
11:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00487092 = 0.9742 BTC [+] {8}
11:47	nubbins`	hi
11:47	nubbins`	so it seems the inturnet is really upset about apple pulling blockchain.info from the app store, hey?
11:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 94 @ 0.005 = 0.47 BTC
11:52	ThickAsThieves	indeed
11:53	ThickAsThieves	god forbid Apple has a good reason
11:54	pankkake	I'm surprised it was allowed in the first place
11:54	nubbins`	but, but, i disagree with their reason
11:54	nubbins`	pankkake, the only reason it got in there in the first place was a sneak attack
11:55	kakobrekla	how so?
11:55	pankkake	introduce the app without X features, then introduce the features?
11:55	pankkake	that never works with Apple
11:56	pankkake	by the way, they don't even have to provide a reason for refusals :)))
12:01	ThickAsThieves	accepting bitcoin is the new "IPO" http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9945/favorite-team-accept-bitcoin/
12:02	ThickAsThieves	Overstock and Tigerdirect etc get a few extra hundred thousand and fade away
12:02	Duffer1	i accept bitcoin
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.76834323 BTC to 801 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
12:02	Duffer1	and lambos
12:02	pankkake	well, they deliver, at least
12:02	ThickAsThieves	indeed
12:02	pankkake	IPO was getting a lot of coins without accountability
12:02	pankkake	if accepting bitcoins means a lot of publicity and sales, that's not bad :)
12:04	pankkake	are lambos a good store of value?
12:05	nubbins`	heh
12:05	Duffer1	i have yet to receive one, i'll let you know if that happens
12:05	pankkake	I'm waiting for http://www.lamboparity.com/
12:05	nubbins`	pankkake: the wallet features were hidden by default
12:05	pankkake	lol hidden
12:05	nubbins`	yeah
12:05	nubbins`	you had to open a blockchain account
12:05	pankkake	reminds me of the flash light app that had a secret feature
12:05	nubbins`	via web
12:06	nubbins`	then some sort of thing like keep the account open for 2 weeks
12:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 212 @ 0.005 = 1.06 BTC
12:06	pankkake	interestingly, apple does not review the code of the app
12:06	pankkake	so you can sneak things… but usually not for long
12:06	nubbins`	then open the iphone app via the same ip address that you've previously logged in with on the website
12:06	pankkake	lol
12:06	pankkake	amazing
12:06	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
12:06	nubbins`	yeah
12:06	nubbins`	it was a real fuckaround
12:07	nubbins`	but they flew under the radar for years
12:07	kakobrekla	lol
12:07	pankkake	and in the same way, you can sneak malware. rendering the whole thing "for your protection" a lie
12:07	nubbins`	in practice, this made the app really unreliable when on the go
12:07	nubbins`	they do automatic code reviews
12:07	nubbins`	no manual tho
12:08	nubbins`	unless there's a problem suspected
12:08	diametric	automatic code reviews.. what a joke
12:08	nubbins`	i agree
12:08	nubbins`	it's more for catching bugs than anything
12:08	nubbins`	mem leaks etc
12:10	ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/inc-5000-entrepreneur-buys-bitcoinwallet-com-domain-for-250k/
12:10	pankkake	he probably doesn't know any respectable bitcoin service ends in .io
12:15	nubbins`	heh
12:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12997221 = 1.0398 BTC [-] {4}
12:16	nubbins`	anyway, on a related note, xcode comes with some great code analysis tools
12:17	nubbins`	the IDE itself isn't the greatest, and Interface Builder is pretty derpy
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+]
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0047894 = 0.1149 BTC [-]
12:17	nubbins`	but the code analysis features are top-notch
12:20	pankkake	powered by llvm?
12:26	asciilifeform	nubbins`: last i checked, those were just a thin gui skin on top of gdb and gprof.
12:26	nubbins`	pankkake, osx does use llvm-gcc
12:26	nubbins`	asciilifeform: could be, i never dug under the skin too much
12:27	nubbins`	afaik the whole thing is based on gnu tools tho
12:28	asciilifeform	well, Next's perverted gcc fork, anyway.
12:28	nubbins`	nod
12:28	nubbins`	this caused problems when trying to compile the last eulora release for osx
12:28	nubbins`	terrible, terrible problems
12:29	asciilifeform	apple died in '99.
12:29	asciilifeform	replaced by Next. (with name changed to 'apple')
12:29	nubbins`	nod
12:29	nubbins`	even the objects show relics of this
12:29	BingoBoingo	Apple died in 1984 replaced by Macintosh
12:29	nubbins`	NSString, etc
12:30	nubbins`	btw, objective-c is a brutal language to comprehend
12:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
12:30	BingoBoingo	Well, not entirely until about 89, but it was on its way
12:30	nubbins`	took me the better part of 2 months just to decipher method calls
12:31	nubbins`	nothing shows a more callous disregard for developers than code relics
12:31	nubbins`	sharepoint was brutal for this
12:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00086805 = 28.2116 BTC [+] {2}
12:31	nubbins`	first they misappropropriated all these common words like "site" and "web" and "part"
12:32	nubbins`	then in one major release, they reassigned the names to different things
12:32	nubbins`	what was once called a site is now a web, etc
12:32	nubbins`	but all the old class names remained the same
12:32	nubbins`	so Web w = new Web(); creates a new Site, etc
12:32	nubbins`	it's enough to make you walk away
12:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012909 = 0.6455 BTC [+] {9}
12:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012985 = 0.7791 BTC [+] {5}
12:34	asciilifeform	in the '90s, i never imagined i'd miss the 'old apple'
12:34	nubbins`	old apple was before my time
12:35	nubbins`	hackintosh in '08 was my first non-casual exposure
12:35	asciilifeform	nubbins`: mostly - but not entirely - before my time: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568
12:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31465 @ 0.00086396 = 27.1845 BTC [-] {4}
12:36	nubbins`	ah, haha, this is like vb
12:37	nubbins`	or interface builder, to a lesser extent
12:37	asciilifeform	nubbins`: in exactly the same way that a junkyard full of bricks, roof tiles, etc. resembles a house.
12:37	pankkake	there'se a language where the keywords can be either French or English
12:38	nubbins`	hah
12:38	nubbins`	legos, even
12:39	nubbins`	anyway, good article
12:39	nubbins`	there's a steady push towards an apple device being a device of consumption rather than production
12:39	nubbins`	this has been pretty much perfected in iDevices
12:40	nubbins`	osx is slowly following suit
12:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
12:42	ThickAsThieves	http://buttcoin.org/long-live-cryptic-urgencies watch neckbeards selftechmutilate
12:42	ozbot	Long Live Cryptic Urgencies - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoi
12:45	ThickAsThieves	all these guys smashed their phones cuz some reddite said he'd give out money to the first 5 people
12:45	ThickAsThieves	no wthe post is gone
12:45	Duffer1	didn't he escrow?
12:45	nubbins`	well ya know.
12:45	kakobrekla	so in a few days they will say "sry, you can has btc"
12:45	nubbins`	i'll send 100btc to everyone who smashes their dick with a hammer
12:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05610001 = 0.1122 BTC [-]
12:46	nubbins`	200btc if you upload it to redtube
12:46	kakobrekla	and fanbois will be "oh noes gotta get new iphone 5"
12:46	kakobrekla	apple makes more monies.
12:46	ThickAsThieves	lol
12:46	nubbins`	"know what'll hurt apple? if i smash my on-contract phone that they've already been paid for, in full"
12:46	kakobrekla	and then get a new one
12:46	Diablo-D3	nubbins`: lol
12:47	nubbins`	naw dude, they're totally going for a windows phone this time ;p
12:47	Diablo-D3	hurting apple doesnt even make sense
12:47	ThickAsThieves	itd hurt apple way more to sell it secondhand
12:47	Diablo-D3	its a fucking company
12:47	Diablo-D3	its not real
12:47	nubbins`	tat, the first video is already brutal
12:47	Diablo-D3	go focus on actually real shit like starving africans and chinese death camps
12:47	nubbins`	some wizard with a dart hangin out of his face
12:47	nubbins`	"this is not acceptable"
12:48	nubbins`	*smashes $700 phone*
12:48	dexX7	<Duffer1> didn't he escrow? << he did
12:48	Diablo-D3	smashing a phone is basically telling the people who suffered in china to make it their lives have no meaning and they are dying in vain.
12:48	Diablo-D3	so, good job there.
12:48	Duffer1	oh hey dex, haven't seen you in irc in a while, stayin busy man?
12:48	ThickAsThieves	smash the chinese then?
12:48	pankkake	they should ask themselves why they bought it in the first place, and make their auto-critique
12:48	ThickAsThieves	i'm so confused
12:48	Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: I'd love to smash the chinese government
12:48	ThickAsThieves	what do i smash to get my way?
12:48	dexX7	hey :) yea, kinda
12:49	nubbins`	wait, he's going to strikeAAAAHHH
12:49	Diablo-D3	just wipe all those fucks off the face of the earth
12:49	kakobrekla	smash diablo
12:49	Diablo-D3	but it'd take the entirety of the western world to get rid of them
12:49	Diablo-D3	and I dont see our rich fucks going to war with their rich fucks any time soon
12:49	kakobrekla	maybe some ltc will fall out
12:49	ThickAsThieves	can we not turn this into the viability of world wars?
12:49	ThickAsThieves	thank you
12:50	Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: rich people wars are not real wars
12:50	Diablo-D3	they fight wars with cash, not dollars
12:50	Diablo-D3	er
12:50	Diablo-D3	cash not bullets
12:50	ThickAsThieves	agreed
12:51	nubbins`	man oh man
12:51	nubbins`	i'm actually a bit upset here
12:51	Duffer1	upset that no one has stepped forward to smash their dicks?
12:51	kakobrekla	smash the phone
12:51	ThickAsThieves	i'm so bad at Apple I refuse to reproduce!
12:54	Diablo-D3	*mad
12:55	nubbins`	Duffer1, upset at the stupidity of these retards
12:55	nubbins`	HULK SMASH
12:55	nubbins`	that'll show apple
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003065 = 0.3065 BTC [-]
12:59	Duffer1	don't even worry about what retards do
12:59	Duffer1	that's PR's job
12:59	Duffer1	:P
13:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.1069323 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {2}
13:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.003065 = 0.3372 BTC [-]
13:06	nubbins`	heh
13:06	nubbins`	"really sending a message to apple here"
13:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 65 @ 0.005 = 0.325 BTC
13:07	nubbins`	tat had it right, if he really wanted to stick it to apple, he would have sold his phone ;p
13:08	nubbins`	this is like if that single dad who paid us $400 for a bespoke kid's book said "fuck pink eye" and put his book in the shredder
13:08	nubbins`	we'd say "yes, fuck us" while smoking his money
13:08	ThickAsThieves	"i'm going sprint down 300 yards and try and get this rifle on target as fast as possible"
13:08	ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQZTAJ2KLk
13:08	ozbot	R3 Destroys anti bitcoin iPhone with a rifle in exchange for a Nexus 5 - YouTube
13:09	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4977641#msg4977641
13:09	ozbot	iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions
13:10	asciilifeform	soviet version of the joke: 'man buys a ticket, rips it up and walks - to spite the trolley conductor.'
13:10	nubbins`	side note, what's with all these fucking idiots laying their phones on concrete and striking them with metal tools?
13:11	nubbins`	do they even eyes?
13:11	ThickAsThieves	metal tools are more organic
13:11	nubbins`	heh
13:11	nubbins`	srsly, the only part of these videos where i cringe is when i see a metal implement striking concrete
13:12	ThickAsThieves	when will someone put one in a microwave?
13:12	nubbins`	as soon as i finish submitting this post to reddit
13:12	nubbins`	lel, i kid ;(
13:13	ThickAsThieves	:()
13:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.49816901 = 24.9085 BTC [-] {16}
13:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0047894 = 0.2012 BTC [-]
13:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00306469 = 0.5608 BTC [-] {2}
13:16	nubbins`	did i mention the problem i was having with my iphone the other day?
13:16	nubbins`	fuckin thing completely stopped charging, 9 days out of warranty
13:16	ThickAsThieves	you are charging it wrong
13:17	ThickAsThieves	"We have surveillance video from the hotels that shows people turn on the shower, direct the nozzle at the wall and then leave the room for the whole day," the official told members of the press, according to The Wall Street Journal.
13:17	ThickAsThieves	Kozak was attempting to argue that foreign journalists were biased against Russia and were intentionally working to paint the Sochi games as a disaster. But in the process, he may have just spooked everyone assigned hotel rooms to attend the games.
13:17	nubbins`	cajoled apple into fixing it for free, later realized that the bottom of the port had a bunch of impacted lint
13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00307801 = 0.2216 BTC [+]
13:17	nubbins`	so i guess i get a free box in the mail any day now ;p
13:17	ThickAsThieves	they let you keep the old one when replacing?
13:17	nubbins`	no, they mail you a box to return your broken phone in
13:18	ThickAsThieves	ah
13:18	nubbins`	literally an hour after i hung up, i scooped the lint out
13:18	nubbins`	works like a charm now
13:18	nubbins`	MAY SMASH IT ANYWAY TO SHOW THEM A LESSON
13:18	Duffer1	so they have video footage of peoples showers?
13:18	nubbins`	Duffer1, +1 heh
13:19	Duffer1	seems like a terrible thing to tell the press, but what do i know
13:19	ThickAsThieves	yep
13:19	Duffer1	didn't you get your phone replaced though nub?
13:19	ThickAsThieves	right in the shower head apparently
13:19	nubbins`	tat, got a link?
13:19	asciilifeform	someone should teach these folks about 'parallel construction.'
13:19	nubbins`	Duffer1, nah, have had this for just over a year
13:19	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5386482/sochi-winter-olympics-video-surveillance-of-hotel-room-showers
13:19	ozbot	Russian official says government has video surveillance of Sochi hotel room showers | The Verge
13:19	Duffer1	what'r you waiting for then, free nexus 5 go
13:19	ThickAsThieves	wsj source
13:20	ThickAsThieves	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579366712107461956
13:20	ozbot	Russian Officials Fire Back at Olympic Critics - WSJ.com
13:20	ThickAsThieves	The Iron Shower Curtain
13:21	nubbins`	HAHAHAH
13:21	Duffer1	instantrimshot.com
13:23	benkay	http://www.coindesk.com/tea-merchant-coinbase-alternative-litecoin-processing/
13:23	benkay	so basically it should be trivial for anyone to accept any altcoin
13:23	benkay	but running a full satoshi client for each chain is a little, ah, shall we say wasteful.
13:26	ThickAsThieves	dammit I need to get this Altcoin source going
13:27	benkay	what's the Altcoin magic value?
13:27	nubbins`	over 9000
13:27	benkay	also i know this is an oldlink but it still delivars chuckles: http://kimitsuassetmanagement.com/
13:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 816 @ 0.003065 = 2.501 BTC [-]
13:27	nubbins`	so, anyone buying rentalstarter tomorrow?
13:27	ThickAsThieves	i think it has been between .00000300 and .00000100btc so far
13:28	benkay	ThickAsThieves: the "magic value" is a header in the protocol that identifies which network a client is a part of
13:29	ThickAsThieves	and what a client network?
13:29	ThickAsThieves	is
13:29	Duffer1	nubbins' if i had anything left - no i wouldn't
13:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
13:29	benkay	in this case network referring to the network of nodes broadcasting and verifying transactions
13:29	ThickAsThieves	is the same question as "do you have a dump of the genesis block?"
13:29	benkay	a client being the Satoshi implementation or bitcoinj or multibit w/e
13:29	benkay	no.
13:30	Duffer1	i like almost everything about it but I'm sure btc itself will do significantly better
13:30	ThickAsThieves	well it was made from coingen.io
13:30	benkay	magic value is a part of a header sent between nodes. genesis block is the root of the merkle tree.
13:30	ThickAsThieves	and i can get source for other coins made by them
13:31	benkay	if you had the source for alt you could ack "magic" and find it pretty quickly
13:31	ThickAsThieves	for my alt, or any alt made the from same codebase?
13:31	ThickAsThieves	my issue is the source code doesnt exist anymore
13:32	ThickAsThieves	and i am waiting on coingen to make an identical one so we can reverse create source for the orginal
13:32	nubbins`	Duffer1, +1
13:32	nubbins`	i don't see rental properties outperforming btc
13:32	ThickAsThieves	yes, my comprehension of the details you describe is pretty low
13:33	benkay	ah well i'm giving the wrong instructions anyways. it's a bit obfuscated: https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/blob/master-1.5/src/main.cpp#L3141
13:33	ThickAsThieves	but i am willing to pay to get this solved so i can then pay to have pools made or whaver
13:33	ThickAsThieves	get it listed on exchanges
13:33	ThickAsThieves	etc
13:34	benkay	it'll be interesting to see if clients built from the regenerated source code will be able to talk to clients in the wild
13:34	nubbins`	what are you gonna do when people start actually wasting/losing money on atc?
13:34	benkay	cash out, obviously.
13:34	ThickAsThieves	i dont even own any
13:34	nubbins`	doesn't matter
13:35	nubbins`	people are going to take it seriously and they're going to lose money
13:35	nubbins`	and you're enabling that
13:35	ThickAsThieves	...
13:36	Duffer1	he's not wrong there TaT hehe
13:36	nubbins`	i know it's a big lel, but you should kill this before it grows legs
13:36	ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure he's right either
13:36	benkay	yeah but that's the "kids are going to hurt themselves with guns" argument
13:36	ThickAsThieves	also who's to say?
13:36	benkay	teach some firearm use, let the idiots die.
13:36	ThickAsThieves	maybe it really does kill all the other alts
13:36	pankkake	lol, the coinget coin I took the source from even has the same port number
13:36	pankkake	coingen
13:37	nubbins`	maybe it really does, yep
13:37	benkay	why would you change the port number?
13:37	mike_c	yeah, where's the hate for bernankoin? as long as he doesn't pump/dump, what's the crime?
13:37	pankkake	because it's anothe coin
13:37	benkay	also the n-coin game will go forever
13:37	pankkake	mike_c: there's no hate for bernankoin
13:37	pankkake	it's *impossible* to premine anyway!
13:38	ThickAsThieves	nubbins ive decided your argument is not sound
13:38	ThickAsThieves	you had me worried
13:38	ThickAsThieves	but no
13:38	nubbins`	you've decided that the guy selling apples w/ razors to creepy old men is not at fault, because he's not the one handing them out to kids?
13:38	mike_c	i guess nobody will lose money on bernankoin cuz you can always just print more to keep people from losing money
13:38	nubbins`	"lel pre-razored apples, what a riot!"
13:38	Duffer1	lol
13:39	nubbins`	and we all have a chuckle and a kid slices his neck open
13:39	pankkake	well anyone printing it for more than a few hours is a fool
13:39	ThickAsThieves	in a world where there can be any number of alts, all on same codebase, no one alt is better than the other
13:39	nubbins`	but hey, fuck him, he shoulda checked!
13:39	ThickAsThieves	that includes bitcoin really
13:40	nubbins`	alts have two purposes: to experiment with ideas and to have a lel/run a scam
13:40	ThickAsThieves	says who
13:40	asciilifeform	eventually, mining breakthrough, and people will regret having undermined the whole concept of blockchain by having a swarm of little chains
13:40	mike_c	that's three purposes
13:40	nubbins`	says me
13:40	nubbins`	mike_c: the lel/scam is the same thing
13:40	asciilifeform	'fail to hang together, and you will hang separately'
13:41	ThickAsThieves	mining breakthrough?
13:41	asciilifeform	hypothetically.
13:42	ThickAsThieves	but really, what makes bitcoin better than an altcoin other than its adoption level?
13:42	ThickAsThieves	it's all the same shit
13:43	nubbins`	one's real and the other is for fleecing rubes, that's what
13:43	asciilifeform	entirely ignoring the 'features' (many vs. few coins, frequents vs. rare blocks, etc) and premining,
13:43	asciilifeform	the difference is: who has it.
13:43	nubbins`	if you're fine with rubes being fleeced, then there's no difference, no
13:43	asciilifeform	every cryptocoin can be seen as an attempt to 'replay the history of money'
13:43	asciilifeform	with (optionally) different winners.
13:43	nubbins`	^
13:44	asciilifeform	much depends on who these winners are.
13:44	mike_c	there is a difference between selling real estate in florida that is secretly swampland, and openly selling swamps.
13:44	ThickAsThieves	and it's impossible to have two coins coexist and be healthy?
13:44	asciilifeform	hard to sell swamp to people who understand what a swamp is.
13:44	mike_c	right, which is why you haven't bought any ATC
13:45	nubbins`	it's impossible for a rubecoin to be healthy, yes
13:45	ThickAsThieves	is it impossible an altcoin will become the winner over bitcoin?
13:45	asciilifeform	it isn't impossible. we live in a world with ms-winblows, for example.
13:45	nubbins`	let's be clear, your experiment isn't intended to become a winner over bitcoin
13:45	asciilifeform	there are many such 'winners'.
13:45	nubbins`	it's intended to have a chuckle
13:45	benkay	even if there is a mining breakthrough, the compute deployed against alts couldn't save bitcoin...
13:45	nubbins`	but the funny thing about intentions...
13:45	ThickAsThieves	says you
13:46	nubbins`	says me, yes
13:46	nubbins`	says you, as well
13:46	ThickAsThieves	no actually
13:46	ThickAsThieves	says the miners
13:46	ThickAsThieves	thats all really
13:46	TomServo	ThickAsThieves: You saying you don't own any and won't mine any doesn't preclude that?
13:46	ThickAsThieves	preclude what
13:47	TomServo	It winning over btc
13:47	ThickAsThieves	what i say doesnt mean much
13:47	nubbins`	that's becoming clear ;D
13:47	ThickAsThieves	seriously
13:47	ThickAsThieves	i know i fuck around
13:48	nubbins`	i do too
13:48	nubbins`	the suckers being suckered don't
13:48	ThickAsThieves	but you guys arent giving real arguments here
13:48	ThickAsThieves	you act like i'm inventing altcoins
13:48	asciilifeform	whether a particular alt is 'trying to win over btc' can be determined by looking at what it is being traded for.
13:48	Duffer1	it's a subjective moral argument
13:48	asciilifeform	if it is being parcelled out in exchange for btc...
13:48	asciilifeform	then it is clear which coin the author regards as genuine and having a future.
13:49	Duffer1	based entirely on what you believe is moral or amoral
13:49	nubbins`	duffer, it boils down to this, yes
13:49	nubbins`	promoting a lelcoin as being serious is amoral
13:49	nubbins`	in my view
13:49	ThickAsThieves	what if the other just wants to do create the thing to see what happens
13:49	nubbins`	others disagree
13:49	asciilifeform	would you happily part with gold, for instance, if you believe that 'gold standard' will make a comeback?
13:49	Mats_cd03	so what was the size of the mpex whale fee
13:49	nubbins`	what if i just want to stuff a cigarette with match heads to see what happens?
13:49	mike_c	nubbins`: do you think it was immoral to flip houses during the housing bubble?
13:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11900001 BTC [-]
13:50	ThickAsThieves	so far its mostly been an expression for me, some luls sure, but kinda performance art
13:50	ThickAsThieves	i havent even pondered what my investment strategy might be for it
13:50	ThickAsThieves	i dont care
13:50	ThickAsThieves	maybe i buy some
13:50	ThickAsThieves	maybe i dont
13:50	nubbins`	mike_c, there was a housing bubble? ;p
13:51	nubbins`	i think it's immoral to sell a cardboard box painted up like a house to a new family
13:51	ThickAsThieves	thats not what this is
13:51	nubbins`	bernankoin, you read the spec and have a lel
13:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [-]
13:52	nubbins`	dogecoin, you see people actually losing things of value
13:52	nubbins`	intentions don't matter, what people do with the thing you've made does matter
13:53	mike_c	bah. and bitcoin is to blame for assasinationmarket
13:53	benkay	is running a gambling house a moral operation, nubbins`?
13:53	nubbins`	benkay, no
13:53	nubbins`	mike_c: assassinations are purchased with or without bitcoin
13:53	nubbins`	rubes losing money on ATC doesn't happen without ATC
13:54	mike_c	of course it does.
13:54	mike_c	that money is lost simply by rubes having it.
13:54	ThickAsThieves	you cant die from frostbite while bathing in lava either
13:54	asciilifeform	'if i hadn't picked his pocket, some other fellow would've.'
13:55	nubbins`	^
13:55	ThickAsThieves	except i'm not picking pockets
13:55	nubbins`	nice rationalization, isn't it
13:55	nubbins`	no, you're just selling tongs
13:55	ThickAsThieves	no
13:55	nubbins`	yyyep
13:55	ThickAsThieves	i'm selling streets
13:55	nubbins`	streets serve a useful purpose
13:55	ThickAsThieves	maybe people get robbed on them
13:55	ThickAsThieves	so does currency
13:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00085735 = 15.8181 BTC [-] {2}
13:56	ThickAsThieves	maybe people build businesses on them
13:56	Duffer1	this argument is why i never made Hodorcoin, in the end, someone was going to lose money on it
13:56	nubbins`	if you can justify it to yourself, there's not much i can do to convince you otherwise
13:56	nubbins`	just wanted to offer a perspective
13:56	mike_c	i lost money on mpex once. mp is a scammor.
13:56	benkay	everything is a scam
13:56	ThickAsThieves	i can say i dont want to hurt anyone
13:56	ThickAsThieves	surely
13:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35005 @ 0.00085841 = 30.0486 BTC [+] {2}
13:57	ThickAsThieves	but i cant say that i wont sell knives
13:57	nubbins`	sure, and you can offer perpetual mining turds that anyone with a brain would know is a bad purchase
13:57	asciilifeform	take classic btc. it was a net gain in wealth, rather than simply a machine from moving money from one pocket to another, because it made new things possible. what new things does the altcoin-of-the-day make possible?
13:57	nubbins`	but you can't say that you're not intentionally fleecing rubes
13:58	asciilifeform	'my ferrari' is one answer. but not an answer that will satisfy skeptics.
13:58	ThickAsThieves	well if we go buy the Altcoin's mission it's purpose is to get everyone to stop mining every other altcoin
13:58	ThickAsThieves	would you count marginal success in that as a good thing?
13:58	kakobrekla	allowing for txes when 1mb limit is being hit for one but thats where it ends
13:58	nubbins`	would you count getting people off heroin and into crack as a good thing?
13:59	jborkl	not to the dealers
13:59	ThickAsThieves	i dont think that's a proper comparison
13:59	asciilifeform	this is more like getting all of the addicts to buy from one large dealer instead of quitting
13:59	nubbins`	sure it is, they're trading one terrible choice for another
13:59	mike_c	if you accept the axiom that any coin besides bitcoin has no value.
13:59	ThickAsThieves	the problem is you are making assumptions that are false
13:59	Mats_cd03	Some people just lack enough empathy
14:00	nubbins`	do tell!
14:00	asciilifeform	just asking the question of where the added value is.
14:00	asciilifeform	it's a legitimate question.
14:00	ThickAsThieves	you assume all altcoins are a loss/waste
14:00	ThickAsThieves	i do not
14:00	nubbins`	i don't assume that
14:00	nubbins`	altcoins are a great way to test out new concepts
14:00	asciilifeform	if there's added value ('i've an nsa-resistant work-function, here, look') we're all ears.
14:00	nubbins`	but a big machine that spits out slightly tweaked alts isn't
14:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.003078 = 1.539 BTC [+]
14:01	ThickAsThieves	again i think this is a false assumption as well, alts needing new concepts
14:01	nubbins`	nobody's saying you NEED to test new concepts
14:01	ThickAsThieves	no,
14:01	TomServo	ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?
14:01	asciilifeform	then your real proposition is 'i ought to be Satoshi and will use the powers for Good'
14:01	nubbins`	just that there's the potential for learning, growth, new thought processes, etc
14:01	ThickAsThieves	you are saying the NEED is required for value to exist
14:01	ThickAsThieves	it;s not a fact
14:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11833333 = 0.355 BTC [-] {2}
14:02	ThickAsThieves	there are no powers i get or use
14:03	asciilifeform	'a) repaint your black car. it should be blue. b) why should i ? a) blue is just as good as black b) wtf a) here, i'll sell you some paint b) what's the value to me a) it doesn't need added value, blue is better '
14:04	denlove	I wish I had someone send bitcoin to please. 16ZdMuyrVuuupSjVZyPmBWwjHsbcweKGUk
14:04	nubbins`	denlove, eat a bag of dicks
14:04	ThickAsThieves	blue is different
14:04	ThickAsThieves	doesnt need to be better
14:04	kakobrekla	I wish blowjob and icecream
14:04	nubbins`	you're trying to rationalize your lelcoin right now, in this conversation
14:04	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: good luck with the chump harvesting.
14:04	nubbins`	^
14:05	ThickAsThieves	seriously, you cant definitively win one argument and now i'm a shill
14:05	nubbins`	what's with "winning" "arguments"?
14:05	TomServo	TomServo | ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?
14:05	ThickAsThieves	i dont know
14:05	ThickAsThieves	it just is
14:05	asciilifeform	the trouble with chump harvesting, morals aside, is that there is always a new, slicker chump-harvesting artist coming to town.
14:06	asciilifeform	whose 'no added value needed' proposition is 'just as good' as yours
14:06	asciilifeform	but new/exciting.
14:06	mike_c	that's not trouble if he's not trying to harvest chumps
14:06	nubbins`	so value, many excite
14:06	ThickAsThieves	so
14:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.003078 = 0.4617 BTC [+]
14:06	ThickAsThieves	let them compete, idc
14:06	asciilifeform	live by the chumps, die by the chumps. who are fickle.
14:06	ThickAsThieves	its nothing to do with chumping people
14:06	nubbins`	let them eat cake!
14:07	ThickAsThieves	there will be wealth in more coins than bitcoin, for as long as this paradigm can even exist
14:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25070 @ 0.00085996 = 21.5592 BTC [+] {3}
14:07	pankkake	PROCESSMESSAGE: INVALID MESSAGESTART
14:07	pankkake	well, I'm stuck :(
14:08	ThickAsThieves	your arguments live in some imaginary ending where only bitcoin is left
14:08	asciilifeform	the other thing, your alt may be 'honest', but plenty are not. say, quite soon governments will begin herding people (through guile or force) into national altcoins.
14:08	asciilifeform	with central control.
14:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1289 BTC [+]
14:08	asciilifeform	the proliferation of chumpcoins sets the stage for this
14:08	asciilifeform	by destroying the Schelling point.
14:08	ThickAsThieves	so
14:08	asciilifeform	'divide & conquer'
14:08	Duffer1	interesting proposition
14:08	ThickAsThieves	you cant stop it if thats the path
14:08	ThickAsThieves	and it certainly wont be because i made Altcoin
14:08	pankkake	it's pchMessageStart, but I'm not sure how to reverse-engineer it
14:09	asciilifeform	'no drop of water believes that it is to blame for the flood' etc.
14:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00086492 = 18.5525 BTC [+]
14:09	ThickAsThieves	lol
14:10	ThickAsThieves	altcoins are seeking their place, itll always be dynamic, but they will have a place
14:10	ThickAsThieves	it's our reality
14:10	ThickAsThieves	you cant will it away
14:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00086998 = 25.0554 BTC [+] {2}
14:10	Duffer1	lets put aside the moralizing and focus on the likely outcome of the experiment
14:10	mike_c	imagine a grid with 100 tiny squares and 1 enormous square. Add as many tiny squares as you want, the Schelling point remains.
14:10	Rick_	mircea is here?
14:11	asciilifeform	Duffer1: we already know the outcome. that's what makes it a distinctly disappointing experiment.
14:11	Duffer1	paging mircea_popescu , mircea_popescu to the desk please
14:11	ThickAsThieves	oh you do?
14:11	ThickAsThieves	intersting
14:11	ThickAsThieves	e
14:11	Duffer1	i believe that is the likely outcome as well ascii
14:12	asciilifeform	somewhere in russia, a drunk is unzipping, preparing to piss in an apartment lobby. you prod him, he answers 'drunks will always piss in lobbies. you can't just will it away.'
14:12	Duffer1	getting from here to there would probably be very interesting though
14:12	pankkake	does anyone here know basic C? how do I print, say, 0x0b? I want it to be 0x0b on the screen, or similar
14:12	asciilifeform	'besides it already stinks'
14:12	ThickAsThieves	no, you are trying to say pissing shouldnt happen at all
14:13	asciilifeform	pankkake: printf("%x", foo)
14:13	ThickAsThieves	or that there is only one place to piss
14:13	ThickAsThieves	i dunno
14:13	pankkake	thanks, this is also what I found :)
14:13	pankkake	I need to find something interesting to write in C
14:13	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: merely that the world would stink less if people could agree to piss in toilets, or the woods, but not apartment lobby.
14:13	nubbins`	what he's saying is piss in the fucking toilet
14:13	nubbins`	not in people's faces
14:13	ThickAsThieves	by that argument why do we allow more than one fiat?
14:14	ThickAsThieves	why hasnt that been cleaned up?
14:14	ThickAsThieves	didnt require bitcoin to do so
14:14	asciilifeform	for the same reason that a town has more than one burglar
14:14	ThickAsThieves	you really see it that way?
14:15	asciilifeform	very basic game theory.
14:15	mike_c	pankkake: take something slow in one of your python programs and write a C module for it
14:16	ThickAsThieves	and what of this grand plan to make a better coingen.io?
14:16	ThickAsThieves	mircea is scammer too?
14:17	nubbins`	"a better"
14:17	nubbins`	atc = "a better" alt?
14:17	jurov	pankkake: rewrite pympex (but dunno if there's portable gpg C library)
14:17	nubbins`	PMTs = "a better" way to invest?
14:17	pankkake	I doubt the performance issues of pympex are in the Python code ;)
14:17	ThickAsThieves	amazing
14:17	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
14:18	ThickAsThieves	so enabling the more efficient creation of Altcoins is moral, but making one is not
14:18	jurov	i had in mind portability issues
14:18	nubbins`	nobody's saying that
14:18	pankkake	there are many gpg python libs, which all suck in a different way
14:18	ThickAsThieves	so it's just a fleecing of rubes plan of mp's?
14:19	nubbins`	nobody's saying that either
14:19	jurov	pankkake: yep, even some forks with same name
14:19	nubbins`	making a new compiler != creating exploits
14:19	asciilifeform	ignoring morality entirely. if you'd like to live in a future where crypto-coins are a useful thing, vs. a fogotten fad, think twice about cranking out spamcoins.
14:19	pankkake	in the end, for what I wanted to do, I ended up calling gpg directly
14:19	nubbins`	signal-to-noise-ratiocoin
14:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00307922 = 2.7713 BTC [+] {2}
14:20	benkay	asciilifeform: would you elaborate on how cranking out altcoins will do *anything* to bitcoin?
14:21	mike_c	pankkake: curious what you were trying to do that was not working with the python gpg lib?
14:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.0030798 = 2.3099 BTC [+]
14:21	asciilifeform	benkay: one of the big strengths of classic btc is that it is a schelling point.
14:22	asciilifeform	now every idiot wants 'his own' blockchain. and soon, every government, with master keys baked in, naturally
14:22	pankkake	it's wasn't really about working, but I didn't want to add a dependency for nothing
14:22	mike_c	ah
14:23	pankkake	in the end most of the feature is calling gpgv
14:23	asciilifeform	in the latter, fiat infusions will make these boobycoins appear to be (temporarily) valuable
14:23	asciilifeform	and chumps will flock to them.
14:23	pankkake	which is also portable :)
14:23	asciilifeform	getting used to central control, pre-mining by national mints, and all of the traditional joys of fiat.
14:24	asciilifeform	'embrace and extinguish.'
14:24	mike_c	i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins
14:25	ThickAsThieves	I think you have limited the possible futures too much
14:25	Duffer1	Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 17m
14:25	Duffer1	#maxcoin mining and buying panic is building... all system look good to go. @maxcoinproject
14:25	Duffer1	>.<
14:25	nubbins`	^
14:25	asciilifeform	naturally, people will shit out alts. nothing i can say here would put the slightest dent in it. just as they will continue to throw cigarette butts from cars.
14:25	nubbins`	replace max with alt
14:25	asciilifeform	every cig thrower is king of his own universe for a few seconds
14:25	asciilifeform	just like the alt author.
14:25	nubbins`	^
14:26	mike_c	i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares?
14:26	ThickAsThieves	the burning forest!
14:26	kakobrekla	green peace
14:26	pankkake	fucking fuck, now it connects, but every block is an orphan to it…
14:26	nubbins`	mike_c: yeah, who cares! we can do this forever!
14:27	mike_c	yes, we can. the world has not yet crumbled from tossed cig butts.
14:27	nubbins`	fuck everything, it's the road's fault for being there
14:27	nubbins`	"not yet"
14:27	nubbins`	you've got that part right, at least
14:27	nubbins`	"it hasn't happened yet!"
14:27	nubbins`	ergo, it never will!
14:28	ThickAsThieves	again a bad analogy
14:28	nubbins`	when can we expect mike_ccoin?
14:28	mike_c	never, i own one ATC. hence my position :)
14:28	asciilifeform	http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=359_1336476686
14:28	ozbot	LiveLeak.com - WELCOME TO SHIT BEACH
14:28	asciilifeform	life in garbage world, sans cleanup crews.
14:29	benkay	but "good money drives out bad", asciilifeform. every local government can print their own fiat, demand taxes in their own shitcoin, and all of the wealth will stay in bitcoin.
14:29	nubbins`	"so what if we're helping turn cryptocurrency into a digital liberia"
14:29	nubbins`	"fuck the signal, here's some more noise"
14:29	asciilifeform	the question we're about to learn the answer to is close to: 'does the average person actually appreciate toilets and garbage trucks? or would be be just as happy using his local beach?'
14:29	mike_c	this is like imagining that the btctalk retardation will hurt bitcoin.
14:30	benkay	there is only noise in the universe. moments of signal are rare and unusual and vanish rapidly. thermodynamics at work.
14:30	nubbins`	benkay, that's about two steps from "what IS reality?"
14:30	mike_c	but he threw his butt in the toilet. it was announced on btctalk.
14:30	kakobrekla	everything is locel on the net
14:30	kakobrekla	local
14:31	benkay	not hardly. it's more along the lines of "seeing clearly in the fog is difficult", nubbins`. not "everything is foggy so fuck it".
14:31	nubbins`	mike_c, ah, the toilet? that's okay, then
14:31	nubbins`	once you flush things down the toilet, they're gone
14:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 545 @ 0.0031181 = 1.6994 BTC [+] {3}
14:31	ThickAsThieves	Maybe, I make Altcoin, it does pretty good, then something goes bad and people lose a bunch of money. Then I admit you guys were right. The guilt eats my soul til I realize I must now design the best coin ever. I do, and it kills bitcoin, and the world basks in a new dawn of finance. I load up IRC "sup fuckers, good thing I made Altcoin!"
14:31	benkay	just because the signal is loud and clear today is not a reason why it should remain that way.
14:31	nubbins`	"well, the tanker was leaking oil something fierce, so we towed it outside the environment"
14:32	nubbins`	"into another environment?"
14:32	nubbins`	"no, OUT of the environment"
14:32	mike_c	ok, i give up. let's debate abortion and gun control instead.
14:32	kakobrekla	kill fetuses with guns!
14:32	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: ...
14:32	ThickAsThieves	:)
14:32	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: i, for one, had no notion of convincing you that bamboozling people is wrong. only that you are ultimately burning your own furniture for heat.
14:33	mike_c	they aren't fetuses they are human beings. murderer.
14:33	kakobrekla	no, guns kill people, not people. not a murderer
14:33	pankkake	to make a "successful" altcoin nowadays you need more than releasing it
14:33	asciilifeform	right now, alt enthusiasts are shitting on a relatively clean beach.
14:33	Duffer1	when i argue against something, i take the time later to try to argue for it, i can't think of any arguments for altcoin atm (but that could very likely be user error) hehe
14:34	ThickAsThieves	asciilifeform, you are likely right, but it is already shaping up to be an interesting excercise
14:34	asciilifeform	they happily take their btc earnings from selling the alts and enjoy the valuable, relatively-stable coin.
14:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00312 = 0.2995 BTC [+]
14:34	nubbins`	"can we trust this ThickAsThieves fellow?" "of course you can trust me, neobee, AM, etc" "but what about the perpetual mining turd and the altcoin thing?" "no no no, those were just a lel"
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14:35	nubbins`	^ this is the other side of it
14:35	kakobrekla	someone has to be on the other side of the sell asciilifeform
14:35	jborkl	so what did I miss about GOX? just read a article that bitcoin withdraws are not working now? (not that I use them anymore)
14:35	nubbins`	you asked me if mp was running a scam by making a better coingen. i ask you if there's a mirceacoin
14:35	asciilifeform	nubbins`: 'Bob the Bridge Builder.'
14:35	nubbins`	wait, the same bob who sucks dicks?
14:36	nubbins`	i've heard of him
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.0030795 = 0.3049 BTC [-]
14:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76373 @ 0.00086841 = 66.3231 BTC [-]
14:36	ThickAsThieves	i do wish mircea was here, because even if i'm outright in the wrong, he'd at least be able to make that clear. i'm having real trouble with these arguments.
14:37	ThickAsThieves	and to comment on TAT.VM
14:37	asciilifeform	not sure even karl friedrich gauss could make this any more clear.
14:37	nubbins`	HEH
14:37	ThickAsThieves	First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.
14:38	nubbins`	^ picture yourself saying this about ATC 6 months from now
14:38	benkay	it's fine
14:38	nubbins`	please
14:38	benkay	you've done nothing
14:38	ThickAsThieves	And that regret did have an affect on my latter movs.
14:38	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: if this is true, it isn't too late to publicly repent and call the thing off.
14:38	ThickAsThieves	moves
14:38	asciilifeform	it would be a very educational act.
14:38	nubbins`	^
14:38	benkay	how are you going to do that?
14:38	ThickAsThieves	i will not
14:38	asciilifeform	well, we tried.
14:39	ThickAsThieves	if it dies it will be due to my attention span more likely
14:39	nubbins`	SMH
14:39	jborkl	What are you doing anywy Tat, I missed that part
14:39	Duffer1	Altcoin jborkl
14:39	nubbins`	jborkl, helping scammers fleece rubes
14:39	nubbins`	or inventing the future of crypto
14:39	ThickAsThieves	in a meta moment i made a meta altcoin
14:39	nubbins`	we can't agree
14:39	mike_c	http://www.therealaltcoin.org/
14:39	ozbot	The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.
14:40	ThickAsThieves	look the slogan is also the disclaimer
14:40	ThickAsThieves	what more can i do
14:40	mike_c	btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation.
14:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003078 = 3.6936 BTC [-] {4}
14:41	ThickAsThieves	are you referring to TAT.VM?
14:41	asciilifeform	mike_c: if pump'n'dump is a type of honest business, i'd hate to see what a scam is now
14:41	mike_c	he's not pumping & dumping!
14:41	nubbins`	mike_c: you disagree that displaying a shocking lack of foresight is tarnishing to a reputation?
14:41	nubbins`	jesus
14:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.003078 = 0.4525 BTC [-]
14:42	benkay	what is this shocking lack of foresight?
14:42	mike_c	a shocking lack of foresight? super harsh. a lot of entrepeneurs fail
14:42	nubbins`	benkay, mike_c: TAT.VM
14:42	nubbins`	[16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.
14:42	ThickAsThieves	i dont regret it as a failure
14:43	ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure i'd even call it a failure
14:43	nubbins`	maybe you could whip up a regretcoin, premine a bunch, and send them to the rubes who got fleeced
14:43	benkay	how was vm a failure?
14:43	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: maybe i missed something... but where's the source code?
14:43	nubbins`	benkay: it wasn't a failure for TAT
14:43	ThickAsThieves	you missed something ;)
14:43	benkay	that's part and parcel of the story, asciilifeform. he didn't pay for the source.
14:43	nubbins`	mike_c was the one who mentioned failute
14:43	nubbins`	*failure
14:43	asciilifeform	who in his right mind would run this
14:43	ThickAsThieves	i regret that some people really did not understand what they were buying, despite utter transparency
14:44	asciilifeform	7MB is room for all of the world's trojans, etc
14:44	nubbins`	do you regret that you really did not understand what you were selling?
14:44	ThickAsThieves	which wouldnt be so bad
14:44	benkay	nubbins`: it's a perpetual mining bond. pay btc now for a thing that becomes rapidly more useless.
14:44	ThickAsThieves	if it werent for the dramatic mining diff changes that came like 1 week after release
14:44	nubbins`	benkay: yes, that's correct
14:44	ThickAsThieves	i knew what i was selling
14:44	nubbins`	ooh
14:44	asciilifeform	pay for the source?
14:44	nubbins`	that's worse
14:44	ThickAsThieves	it was spelled out quite clearly
14:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12020001 BTC [-]
14:44	nubbins`	you knew you were selling overpriced turds?
14:44	benkay	it was crystal clear.
14:45	asciilifeform	as if it took more than ten minutes to grab a copy of bitcoind src and change the constants
14:45	mike_c	do you hate JD too? people have lost more on that then they will ever lose on atc.
14:45	nubbins`	[16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen
14:45	nubbins`	[16:14:38] <ThickAsThieves> i knew what i was selling
14:45	mike_c	and people don't "understand" volatility or EV
14:45	ThickAsThieves	am i a criminal for profiting off jurov when he did the opposite?
14:45	benkay	yes well this is the world in which we live, asciilifeform. people can't grep source and depend on web apps to make altcoins from them.
14:45	ThickAsThieves	i sold mining futures
14:45	nubbins`	i'm not saying you're a criminal, i'm saying you're hurting other people as well as yourself
14:46	ThickAsThieves	oh i did not hurt myself
14:46	asciilifeform	i changed my mind. we should all love Altcoin. anyone who runs a 7MB turd of unknown provenance deserves the lessons contained therein.
14:46	ThickAsThieves	i gained some very valuable experience
14:46	nubbins`	oh, you hurt yourself, even if you don't realize it yet
14:46	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: i hope you stuffed some serious 0day strange in there.
14:46	ThickAsThieves	i didnt even make it
14:46	ThickAsThieves	bluematt did
14:47	nubbins`	"i didn't put the razor in the apple, i just gave it to the kid"
14:47	mike_c	now that they are making a mistake out of security ignorance instead of financial ignorance it's better :)
14:47	nubbins`	we're going to run out of soap if this hand-washing continues
14:47	mike_c	we're already out of soap boxes.
14:47	nubbins`	oh, zing
14:47	mike_c	hehe
14:47	nubbins`	luckily everyone's already standing on one
14:48	ThickAsThieves	consider also that tatvm enabled me to do every release after it
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14:48	ThickAsThieves	xbond, neo
14:49	nubbins`	consider that pirate's scam enabled him to buy a bunch of blow
14:49	ThickAsThieves	so xbond was blow?
14:49	nubbins`	consider that tatvm has tainted everything you've done since
14:49	ThickAsThieves	and your integrity is flawless?
14:50	ThickAsThieves	so basically i hath been judged by nubbins long ago?
14:50	nubbins`	go dig up some dirt on me, i'll wait here
14:50	nubbins`	and basically, yep
14:50	ThickAsThieves	good to know i guess
14:51	nubbins`	good to know if you take something away from it
14:51	nubbins`	useless to know otherwise
14:53	Duffer1	i still <3 you TaT
14:54	Duffer1	another haiku!
14:54	TomServo	Well fascinating conversation, either way.
14:55	nubbins`	indeed
14:55	mike_c	roosevelt had something to say about this
14:55	nubbins`	mike_c: did he say "if your friends have to issue public warnings not to invest in things you create, you're probably a legit businessman with a future"?
14:55	TomServo	Something I think asciilifeform touched on, judging the merits of all cryptocurrencies... isn't hashrate pretty much the end-all-be-all?
14:56	mike_c	i don't think that was it
14:56	asciilifeform	TomServo: hash rate isn't all of it. lack of seigniorage is another.
14:56	nubbins`	mike_c: i'm terrible with quotes
14:57	mike_c	i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum.
14:57	TomServo	asciilifeform: Ah yes, with that being equal though?
14:57	mike_c	why do i keep misspelling business?
14:57	asciilifeform	there's a difference between 'use my thing. because it's better' and 'use my thing. it's better, really. and oh btw, if you buy in it will pay for my 1kg/day coke habit.'
14:58	ThickAsThieves	wtf
14:58	TomServo	I thought it was pretty interesting to see the LTC DOGE hashrate intersect, and then re-intersect and what those implications might be.
14:58	mike_c	yeah, tat is rolling in blow from atc.
14:59	asciilifeform	seigniorage is an actual problem. i personally know perfectly reasonable, intelligent people who won't go near btc because of Satoshi's coins.
14:59	kakobrekla	TomServo the implication is, people can get fooled more than once
15:02	nubbins`	good a time for a break as any
15:02	nubbins`	coffee!
15:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1282 BTC [+]
15:05	pankkake	I give up on making a source for Altcoin… I don't understand why it orphans the blocks
15:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00307 = 0.7736 BTC [+]
15:06	pankkake	the only thing I didn't chaneg is txNew.vin[0].scriptSig and I have no idea what it is, if it matters, and how to find its value
15:07	pankkake	OK maybe I can get it in the first transaction, which seems isn't me… weird
15:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06999 = 0.14 BTC [-]
15:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00086847 = 34.9559 BTC [+] {2}
15:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1686 BTC [+]
15:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00086705 = 21.1127 BTC [-]
15:15	nubbins`	bee bee el, pan-frying cod
15:15	pankkake	lol getrawtranscation doesn't work for the firt tx it seems
15:17	pankkake	meh, anyway I don't know what to do with it
15:17	pankkake	waste of time :(
15:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008429 = 0.1686 BTC [+]
15:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.0008429 = 0.2023 BTC [+]
15:25	the20year	Tomorrow is the big day :D
15:26	Duffer1	just reopening trading or are you going for another round of financing?
15:26	Duffer1	have i asked that?
15:26	the20year	another round of funding via havelock
15:26	Duffer1	ah ok
15:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00086705 = 17.2976 BTC [-]
15:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
15:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00302808 = 0.109 BTC [-] {3}
15:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0008684 = 11.68 BTC [+] {2}
15:45	benkay	man fuck a gym. just keep free weights at your house and fuckin' use 'em.
15:46	TomServo	Dangit. I got pulled away.
15:47	nubbins`	benkay: i use the gym for the bikes in winter :)
15:47	TomServo	asciilifeform: I somehow mis-read seigniorage as sovereign, so derp on my part. But I see your point.
15:49	benkay	nubbins`: are you a cardio guy?
15:52	chipug	there's a parody keiser coin now?!
15:52	TomServo	Not sure it's a parody.
15:52	nubbins`	benkay: i'm a bike guy :D
15:53	nubbins`	too treacherous outside to ride in the winter tho, even with studded tires
15:53	benkay	i love bikes
15:54	benkay	http://www.bikeshopliquidators.com/p-34111-fat-cruiser.aspx?utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AllProducts&gclid=CPOluJuxuLwCFZRsfgodezsAEg
15:54	ozbot	Fat Sand Fat Cruiser
15:54	benkay	ozbot is back!
15:54	benkay	.bait
15:54	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f2ca2af7c83a53319e58c2b3a485969/tumblr_mnrtopuKyi1s8tt3vo1_250.gif
15:55	nubbins`	i see a bike around town sometimes with wheels like that
15:55	nubbins`	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/1534215/skinny-puppy-wants-compensation-for-music-used-in-us-interrogations
15:55	ozbot	Skinny Puppy Wants Compensation For Music Used in US Interrogations - Slashdot
15:56	TomServo	nubbins`: saw that, my sides.
15:56	nubbins`	^ one of canada's greatest musical exports
15:56	nubbins`	five bucks says they used BRAP vols. 3/4
15:57	nubbins`	wow, ALL the comments so far are about the "new look" of /.
15:57	nubbins`	do they even internet?
15:57	TomServo	I know, it's crazy.
15:57	TomServo	Every story.
16:02	chipug	this https://twitter.com/MaxScheisse isn't a parody?!
16:03	nubbins`	ahahahah
16:03	nubbins`	lel @ name
16:03	benkay	dudes does anyone know where the initial peers are stored in the litecoin codebase?
16:03	TomServo	chipug: Oh, hadn't seen that. I thought you meant Max's actual coin.
16:04	chipug	TomServo: no i think this just popped up today in response to maxcoin
16:04	chipug	max keiser's twitter page gives me a headache
16:04	ThickAsThieves	I swear it wasn't me!
16:04	Duffer1	hehe
16:05	chipug	ThickAsThieves: ..... you suuuure??
16:05	chipug	lol
16:05	ThickAsThieves	:)
16:06	Duffer1	even odds it's someone from this chan
16:06	chipug	i love the banana
16:07	chipug	please put nipple tassles on him also!!
16:09	asciilifeform	from the circus:
16:09	asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman-docs.pdf
16:09	ThickAsThieves	[16:06] <BlueMatt> sorry for the delay.....
16:09	ThickAsThieves	[16:07] <BlueMatt> anyway, the coin is gonna rebuild with a slightly different genesis block
16:09	ThickAsThieves	[16:07] <BlueMatt> the original download can be found at coingen.io/...../761afffd_orig.zip instead of 761afffd.zip
16:09	ThickAsThieves	[16:07] <BlueMatt> well, all you have to do is figure out the genesis block change
16:09	ThickAsThieves	[16:07] <BlueMatt> but, I dont have a way to readily do that
16:09	ThickAsThieves	[16:08] <ThickAsThieves> but the person that dumped the genblock can?
16:09	ThickAsThieves	[16:08] <BlueMatt> sure
16:10	ThickAsThieves	http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/761afffd_orig.zip would be the landing link
16:10	ThickAsThieves	in case you still have any fight left in you pankakke ^
16:11	pankkake	well, that won't really help me, as I only tried the genesis block change and other magic values, no renaming etc. before I was sure it worked
16:14	ThickAsThieves	maybe it was something bad about the source you worked from?
16:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12820001 = 0.5128 BTC [+]
16:18	chipug	asciilifeform: what was that?
16:19	asciilifeform	chipug: trial of u.s. sailor. described in http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman.pdf
16:20	chipug	thanks
16:20	Namworld	It looks like Bitfinex just fixed the glitch and are back in business and everyone is happy or something.
16:20	Namworld	And that nothing was stolen =/
16:21	Namworld	Okay... I was expecting them to have long gone under.
16:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.00300357 = 0.9101 BTC [-] {12}
16:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 623 @ 0.00309335 = 1.9272 BTC [+] {6}
16:22	Duffer1	or run with the money
16:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 376 @ 0.0031 = 1.1656 BTC [+] {2}
16:25	dexX7	there were coins stolen?
16:25	Apocalyptic	Namworld, they gonna slowly recover the stolen part with the fees and delay payouts if necessary imo
16:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00086788 = 9.9806 BTC [-]
16:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00312134 = 6.2427 BTC [+] {5}
16:32	nubbins`	making dinner, recipe calls for a lightly beaten egg
16:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00312699 = 1.0976 BTC [+]
16:32	nubbins`	so i announce "i like my women the way i like my eggs!!"
16:32	nubbins`	wife says "lightly beaten?!"
16:32	nubbins`	and i say "no, white"
16:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00312699 = 0.1126 BTC [+]
16:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04999991 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2}
16:43	dub	poached, scrambled and scotch?
16:43	dub	fertilised?
16:43	TomServo	mmm. scotch.
16:43	TomServo	There's a Laphroaig in my near future.
16:44	nubbins`	lovely
16:44	nubbins`	the trick with these "the way i like my women" jokes is to fool people into assuming the wrong thing
16:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04070104 = 0.6105 BTC [-] {5}
16:46	nubbins`	i like my coffee the way i like my women!
16:46	nubbins`	"hot?"
16:46	nubbins`	"nope. strong, black, and slightly bitter"
16:50	pankkake	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26059710 The company also reported a net loss of $645m
16:50	ozbot	BBC News - Shares in Twitter plummet after user growth slows
16:51	ThickAsThieves	just when i started using it!
16:53	dub	its coz I stopped using twitter
16:53	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 349 @ 0.00172845 = 0.6032 BTC [-]
		~ 20 minutes ~
17:14	Rick_	any one can reach mircea?
17:16	Duffer1	anything we might be able to help you with?
17:16	Rick_	i withdrawed some btc
17:16	Rick_	but i cant reach him now
17:17	Duffer1	do you know how to send a PM?
17:18	Rick_	no
17:18	Rick_	how
17:18	Duffer1	<---double click his name, type stuff in the new window, he'll probably get back to you when he's around
17:18	dub	you could try emailing
17:18	Rick_	i used query,but he seems not there
17:19	Rick_	I emailed him yesterday,no reply yet
17:19	dub	withdrawals are not automatic in case you were wondering, usually processed daily iirc
17:19	Rick_	he is not here for last hours?
17:19	dub	;;seen mircea_popescu
17:19	gribble	mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 49 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> but anyway. got shit to do so, later.
17:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14095 @ 0.00086853 = 12.2419 BTC [+]
17:20	Rick_	okay,thank you everyonw
17:20	Rick_	everyone
17:20	KRS-One	.bait
17:20	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/a7bf585cc9d80896b61cdd4c2b7d03d0/tumblr_mrozsgPB1j1ri7ljko1_500.jpg
17:21	pankkake	nipplelicious
17:23	KRS-One	.bait
17:23	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/dffac7160219b41f4b5d67ee3ca3f8cf/tumblr_mr9ck62xTC1qdhe8eo1_500.jpg
17:23	ThickAsThieves	pankakke, plz note pm, in case you missed it
17:23	pankkake	I saw it, I'm working
17:24	KRS-One	those are the kind of girls that when you see them wake up in the morning without the hair and makeup they look like hell
17:24	ThickAsThieves	cool cool
17:24	pankkake	actually it seems you were right, using the source from bluematt seems to WORK!!
17:24	ThickAsThieves	i jate being right
17:24	ThickAsThieves	hate
17:24	pankkake	some of the magic changed values I guessed were already changed, including the one I couldn't figure out
17:24	pankkake	and now it's syncing
17:25	ThickAsThieves	awesome
17:28	dub	Please be advised that BTC on MtGox are not fractional.
17:29	dub	we just don't have enough to cash erryone out
17:29	ThickAsThieves	but how will we send small transactions!
17:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086853 = 5.9929 BTC [+]
17:29	ThickAsThieves	guess we'll have to use altcoins
17:30	dub	Im long doge
17:30	dub	in anticipation
17:31	benkay	in case your curious what kind of work i do, client number one just cut over and emerged from embargo
17:31	benkay	you're
17:31	benkay	http://plantlust.com
17:31	ThickAsThieves	you build carts?
17:32	dub	you fuck plants?
17:32	truffles	you're curious?
17:32	ThickAsThieves	well i'm vegan at least
17:32	truffles	oh no
17:32	benkay	we dragged the frontend kicking and screaming into 2014, dragged an ancient django application from 1.2 to 1.4, delivered myriad performance improvements totalling in excess of 10x across the whole stack, and implemented distributed work queues to decrease the risk of large data processing jobs
17:33	ThickAsThieves	it looks nice
17:33	mike_c	why 1.4 instead of 1.6?
17:33	ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt even feel scammed if i sent them money
17:34	ThickAsThieves	hmm it's not even a cart
17:34	benkay	the next development iteration is going to focus on putting a 'buy' button next to each plant, redesigning the remaining pages that look like they're from 2006, taking people's money when they do click buy and turning into a plant on their doorstep, using the 56+ nurseries the site owner already has relationships with for distributed development
17:34	ThickAsThieves	oops
17:34	ThickAsThieves	ah
17:34	KRS-One	fuck plants, they are boring.
17:34	benkay	distributed fulfillment
17:35	mike_c	boring is good. no scooping poop.
17:35	truffles	plants take work man
17:35	Duffer1	infinite scroll would be nice
17:35	benkay	1.4 was necessary for some particular features, i forget what precisely. chose to not go all the way to 1.6 to mitigate risk.
17:35	benkay	oh yeah, did i mention the stack automation and rearchitecture?
17:36	Duffer1	it's a great looking sight though, i love the homepage
17:36	benkay	there was enough risk in this project that 1.6 made me uncomfortable and i stopped the upgrade at the release that bought us the features we needed.
17:36	truffles	they should have a subcategory "exotic plants"
17:36	benkay	thanks! the owner did the wires and we implemented it.
17:36	benkay	anyways, we have availability for other projects.
17:36	mike_c	i upgraded to 1.6 recently without many bumps. but i think i went from 1.4, so less risk
17:37	truffles	fruits*
17:39	ThickAsThieves	benkay, have you ever done anything in online education software
17:39	mike_c	bitcointalk is unusable. if only they had thousands of btc to improve the site with.
17:40	benkay	i've played with plenty.
17:40	benkay	is there something specific to the online education software domain that's not applicable to general webappery?
17:40	ThickAsThieves	nope
17:41	benkay	what are you curious about?
17:41	ThickAsThieves	just having a bad run with the team on it
17:41	ThickAsThieves	and the two before that
17:41	benkay	ouch
17:41	benkay	what's the stack?
17:41	ThickAsThieves	i'm pretty far removed from it now
17:42	ThickAsThieves	it's LAMP
17:42	truffles	http://plantlust.com/plants/solanum-muricatum/ wonder how this tastes , looks interesting
17:42	ozbot	Solanum muricatum | Pepino Dulce | Pear Melon | Sweet Cucumber| plant lust
17:42	ThickAsThieves	PHP
17:42	benkay	phpbrekla's your man for that
17:43	ThickAsThieves	he'd probly cry at this code
17:43	dub	I heard tux might be in the market
17:43	benkay	company line on php is "we're only interested in the project if the client is prepared to make a large investment in moving away from php"
17:43	benkay	that said we can always manage a project and assemble a team for the right price.
17:43	benkay	there is a php fee tho :(
17:44	ThickAsThieves	the investment, in my eyes, would be in a team that can be counted on and is proficient
17:44	ThickAsThieves	the PHP is incidental
17:44	pankkake	I used to be in a php shop, but we did pass twice on a project that was simply… impossible to comprehend
17:44	ThickAsThieves	of course cost determines all in the end
17:45	ThickAsThieves	they are finally installing the new version of the software onto a live server this week
17:45	ThickAsThieves	after like 18mos
17:45	benkay	ka yikes
17:45	benkay	first thing we typically do is set up infrastructure, CI and low-friction deploys.
17:45	ThickAsThieves	and I had bigger plans for it, so it needs ongoing work
17:46	jurov	https://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments
17:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00086853 = 10.2869 BTC [+]
17:46	truffles	too free?
17:47	benkay	There is a clear need for governments to be able to hold internet users accountable for their actions if they are engaged in performing or supporting illegal activities.
17:47	benkay	my ass
17:47	truffles	end of irc?
17:47	benkay	there is a clear need for networks that route around governments.
17:48	dub	cracknet at it again
17:48	benkay	anyways, thanks for enduring my pitch, -assets.
17:48	truffles	http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-matthew-woods-jailed makes me think of this
17:49	ozbot	April Jones: Matthew Woods jailed over explicit Facebook comments | UK news | The Guardian
17:49	Duffer1	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2014#476255
17:49	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
17:49	ThickAsThieves	benkay i was considering a business path of: 1. Implement and use it with this school, work out bugs, add anything obviously needed 2. Approach several clients in other training fields (Hazardous Goods Shipping for example) and offer hosted solutions, making the software cater to more industries 3. Convert to SaaS DIY Training Lesson Builder
17:50	ThickAsThieves	it's been a while since i looked into possible competition though
17:50	benkay	sounds like a great model
17:50	benkay	eh i wouldn't worry about competition. instead, focus on landing clients, making them happy and taking their money.
17:51	ThickAsThieves	well as things form i may hit you up for costing
17:52	dub	Duffer1: oh boy
17:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0031191 = 0.3119 BTC [+] {2}
17:54	dub	wake up the philosoraptor
17:55	truffles	" we have contacted or been contacted by law enforcement agencies and provided our co-operation" but why :(
17:55	truffles	irc srs biz
17:55	ThickAsThieves	whats that truffles?
17:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.0031 = 0.1519 BTC [-]
17:56	truffles	didnt know these networks would invovle law into matters with users
17:56	Duffer1	TaT it's from Jurov's link above
17:57	Duffer1	GCHQ ddosing irc
17:57	jayk	government?
17:57	jayk	yeah quakenet
17:57	jayk	lame
18:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10465 @ 0.00087194 = 9.1249 BTC [+]
18:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 132 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1113 BTC [+]
18:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086976 = 7.6539 BTC [-] {2}
18:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1096 BTC [+]
18:14	pankkake	[2014-02-07 00:11:21] Network difficulty changed to 62.7k (449.0Gh/s)
18:14	pankkake	I guess I should still be able to find blocks solo
18:17	dub	doge?
18:17	pankkake	Altcoin
18:21	KRS-One	U guys ready for teh pump
18:21	KRS-One	lol@sturles
18:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00301007 = 0.1084 BTC [-] {2}
18:24	ThickAsThieves	sourcecodez! https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin
18:25	ThickAsThieves	someone plz confirm i github'd that right
18:25	ThickAsThieves	i'm a newb
18:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 289 @ 0.00300075 = 0.8672 BTC [-] {3}
18:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0030003 = 3.0003 BTC [-]
18:26	pankkake	that works
18:26	ThickAsThieves	cool
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00311964 = 0.1248 BTC [+]
18:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00086813 = 12.067 BTC [-]
18:44	dub	need to make another build box
18:45	dub	can't play with the other kids
18:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00086782 = 15.7509 BTC [-] {2}
19:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 300 @ 0.005 = 1.5 BTC
19:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+]
19:07	herbijudlestoids	hullos
19:10	ThickAsThieves	hi
19:12	herbijudlestoids	woah nelly!
19:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04837803 = 0.4838 BTC [-]
19:14	herbijudlestoids	http://imgur.com/ywEtbit,t5FOySy,fGcgGH1,eSixHLf distribution, vols, volume, DPO
19:14	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
19:14	herbijudlestoids	hectic..what happened to MPOE
19:15	KRS-One	Pussy Riot was on Colbert Report today
19:15	KRS-One	something sexy about the cryllic language spoken by young hot womens.
19:15	KRS-One	.bait
19:15	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7d310VZ81ql928yo1_500.png
19:17	herbijudlestoids	was there a dividend payout or something?
19:17	pankkake	http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197851
19:17	ozbot	Wozniak To Apple: Consider Building an Android Phone - Slashdot
19:18	Duffer1	still wouldn't buy it
19:19	ThickAsThieves	Wozniak To Apple: Aren't You Glad I'm Not Your Boss?
19:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0008678 = 11.8889 BTC [-] {2}
19:19	pankkake	.bait quality bait lately
19:19	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mefeijiE8y1ra0mryo1_500.jpg
19:19	pankkake	:(
19:19	ThickAsThieves	jinxed it
19:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04837802 = 0.2419 BTC [-]
19:33	herbijudlestoids	so KRS-One did bitfinex come good last night? or still busted?
19:34	ThickAsThieves	some lols:
19:34	ThickAsThieves	This https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4981819#msg4981819 and
19:34	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4985587#msg4985587
19:34	ozbot	iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions
19:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086813 = 10.8516 BTC [+]
19:40	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: lel
19:43	punkman1	"There iz only one good substitute for the endearments ov a sister, and that iz the endearments ov sum other pheller's sister."
19:43	punkman1	.bait
19:43	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/4ef65f4b99ad049395011dcd2f0a16a9/tumblr_min8n9s0uN1rbc3jyo1_500.jpg
19:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086705 = 1.7341 BTC [-]
19:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1350 @ 0.00311923 = 4.211 BTC [+] {13}
19:55	benkay	if you're upset about apple not allowing bitcoins on the iphone, you understand neither apple's business models nor bitcoin.
		↖
19:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00312349 = 3.1235 BTC [+] {2}
19:57	wao-ender	price rush
19:58	wao-ender	.bait
19:58	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/4f372e02b4a81a3a23c1a0df6b2ea957/tumblr_miqpsg71IJ1r8825ko1_500.jpg
19:58	wao-ender	ThickAsThieves: lol
20:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00086813 = 13.0654 BTC [+]
20:05	pankkake	nice tittoo
20:11	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4986222#msg4986222
20:11	ozbot	iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions
20:11	benkay	dumb and dumberer.
20:12	nubbins`	with updated graph
20:12	benkay	nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486092
20:12	nubbins`	benkay, +1
20:20	sypher_	hi all
20:20	Duffer1	hello sir
20:21	benkay	good evening
20:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00086813 = 22.3978 BTC [+]
20:24	sypher_	any hindsight on whats happening now?
20:24	benkay	;;ticker --market btcavg
20:24	gribble	BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 771.23, Best ask: 773.38, Bid-ask spread: 2.15000, Last trade: 772.88, 24 hour volume: 56992.51, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 798.18
20:24	benkay	gox is falling apart and everyone's trying to cover?
20:24	sypher_	aight.
20:24	benkay	dunno man ask a speculator
20:24	sypher_	was looking at the gox graph of cleared transactions, few minutes ago they started clearing them in bulk ...
20:25	sypher_	or pretending to do so.
20:25	benkay	how would they go about pretending to clear them?
20:26	sypher_	graph data is coming off their servers afaik.
20:28	herbijudlestoids	sypher_: got a link to the graph?
20:28	sypher_	http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html
20:28	ozbot	Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org
20:30	benkay	dat average withdrawal size lol
20:30	benkay	"ATTENTION ALL MINNOWS. POOL IS CLOSED."
20:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14170 @ 0.00086705 = 12.2861 BTC [-]
20:33	herbijudlestoids	sypher_: thoughts?
20:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7386 @ 0.00012998 = 0.96 BTC [+] {4}
20:33	herbijudlestoids	to me it looks like they have been clearing the smaller transactions
20:33	herbijudlestoids	that is why the avg withdrawal transaction amount is going down
20:34	sypher_	herbijudlestoids, i'm just a noob so i may have completely wrong thoughts.
20:35	sypher_	I'm thinking that big ones are playing to make it go down so they can buy in cheaper, having it rebound later
20:35	herbijudlestoids	well they can already buy it on bitstamp or other exchanges for significantly cheaper than the mtgox price
20:36	sypher_	not talking mtgox
20:36	sypher_	looking at btce and bitstamp
20:36	herbijudlestoids	err no, i meant opinions on the withdrawal transactoins...nevermind
20:36	sypher_	sorry, told you, noobish.
20:36	sypher_	:)
20:37	sypher_	was just here to try and understand that pattern there ;)
20:37	herbijudlestoids	which pattern where
20:38	sypher_	btce, big sell orders that aren't getting fulfilled, seems to me that many are panic selling under those and thats driving it down quite a bit
20:39	sypher_	then the big sell order gets cancelled and put at a lower price, but not getting fulfilled... doing like that since 165 earlier.
20:39	sypher_	765 sorry.
20:39	herbijudlestoids	ignore the orders in the book
20:39	herbijudlestoids	real volume hits the market directly
20:39	nubbins`	fun fact, if you have btc or usd in mtgox, you're part of the problem! :D
20:40	sypher_	glad i don't have them then :-) just bought in at 162 on btce, now I'm in almost panic selling mode. :D
20:41	herbijudlestoids	sypher_: my guess is its much simpler and that the price on the shitty exchanges is going down to match the price on the good exchanges
20:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00013001 = 0.455 BTC [+]
20:41	sypher_	herbijudlestoids, name a couple good exchanges?
20:42	nubbins`	^ trick question
20:42	sypher_	lol, why is that nubbins` ?
20:42	nubbins`	obvious answer is correct one ;D
20:42	sypher_	haha. :)
20:42	herbijudlestoids	the ones clearing transactions successfully, at high volume and with no regulatory issues
20:42	herbijudlestoids	check the bid/ask spread to see which has the narrowest and most liquid spread
20:43	sypher_	seems like naming them is out of the etiquette here, sorry for the question, didn't know
20:43	sypher_	will do
20:43	nubbins`	i kid
20:43	herbijudlestoids	its not out of etiquette, i dunno for sure so im not gonna name a name
20:43	Duffer1	the point was there aren't any to name hehe
20:43	nubbins`	implication is that there aren't good exchanges, just varying degrees of shitty
20:43	herbijudlestoids	like i said, you can verify quantitatively by analysis of the bdi/ask spread
20:44	sypher_	ah, got you guys, thanks for the hand holding
20:45	herbijudlestoids	on mtgox right now the spread is $5, bitfinex $0 bitstamp $2, btc $1 and icbit $4
20:45	herbijudlestoids	so i would just discard mtgox and icbit for analysis, concentrate on the liquidity of the spread for bitfinex and bitstamp
20:45	herbijudlestoids	err s/btc/btce
20:45	sypher_	why excluding btce?
20:46	sypher_	i mean, why only bitfinex and bistamp, not btce?
20:46	herbijudlestoids	^
20:46	herbijudlestoids	i did include btce sorry, there was a typo
20:46	herbijudlestoids	use yer brain
20:46	sypher_	;) i meant on the one that you would concentrate ;)
20:47	herbijudlestoids	use your brain, interpret what im saying. dont let a typo trip you up
20:47	sypher_	aight :)
20:53	herbijudlestoids	i feel like the space left by http://casascius.com/ and coldcoins is an interesting space
20:54	herbijudlestoids	any thoughts on what it might take to do it right?
20:55	Duffer1	don't live in the US?
20:55	sypher_	lol
20:55	herbijudlestoids	i dont
20:55	Duffer1	comply with your local money transmitter laws and you're probably ok
20:56	herbijudlestoids	so, sell on darkmarkets instead? lol
20:57	punkman1	why do you think physical coins are interesting?
20:57	herbijudlestoids	not so much physical coins as metal (i.e. fireproof) cold storage
20:58	herbijudlestoids	i think its interesting because its a necessary dimension for all who might want to save bitcoins securely for a long duration
20:58	punkman1	I don't see the advantage
20:58	herbijudlestoids	where is mircea_popescu when you need him
20:58	herbijudlestoids	punkman1: advantage over...a USB key?
20:59	sypher_	herbijudlestoids, wouldn't it just be simpler to print it yourself instead of a metal trinket with an embedded key somewhere?
20:59	punkman1	sure
20:59	herbijudlestoids	sypher_: if you print it, ink fades, paper burns, etc
20:59	herbijudlestoids	punkman1: well lets say i put 1,000 BTC into a USB key and encrypt it securely etc and then my house burns down
20:59	punkman1	why would you not have a backup of that?
21:00	Duffer1	casc coins don't solve that herb hehe
21:00	sypher_	herbijudlestoids, chroma life 100years, printed on photographic paper; USB key with a backup in a bank safety box
21:00	herbijudlestoids	Duffer1: les casc and more cold in that use case
21:00	Duffer1	mill out a qr code on aluminum would do nicely
21:01	sypher_	but i do like the idea of metal coins; if only, as 'ego' items ...
21:01	punkman1	herbijudlestoids: I think it's a solution looking for a problem
21:02	sypher_	i also dig the usb - bit coin enabled key on almost human tv series :-)
21:02	herbijudlestoids	punkman1: appreciate the opinion :)
21:02	herbijudlestoids	its well out of my realm of understanding
21:03	punkman1	it's pretty much the same as backing up any other piece of data
21:03	punkman1	if your house burns down, you got fetch it from the offsite backup
21:03	herbijudlestoids	i guess i get what youre saying, that having the wallet files stored in multiple locations securely is probly as good as a cold storage device itself
21:04	punkman1	wallet file, long brainwallet key, whatever
21:04	herbijudlestoids	yea
21:09	sypher_	and I'm back in fiat.
21:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8873 @ 0.00086703 = 7.6932 BTC [-] {2}
21:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00313499 = 0.2947 BTC [-]
21:21	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids: an embossed labelmaker with some aluminum ribbon, say
21:30	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: why not, for example, laser engraving direct to steel?
21:31	asciilifeform	simple recipe:
21:31	asciilifeform	etch a circuit board
21:31	nubbins`	sure, bit of a higher barrier to entry.
21:31	nubbins`	i don't have a laser
21:31	asciilifeform	about $50 in supplies
21:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086813 = 6.0769 BTC [+]
21:31	asciilifeform	fiberglass will last centuries, copper might corrode but will still be readable.
21:31	asciilifeform	(gold plate it if you want to be sure.)
21:31	nubbins`	don't you need caustic chemicals for that?
21:32	herbijudlestoids	but how does it handle in a fire asciilifeform? :D
21:32	asciilifeform	nope
21:32	asciilifeform	handles great in fire.
21:32	asciilifeform	will look very ugly but keep its shape.
21:32	nubbins`	hm, i'm obviously not up to speed
21:32	herbijudlestoids	hmmm, i havent etched a board since i was in high school
21:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 27 @ 0.005 = 0.135 BTC
21:32	asciilifeform	ferric chloride will do
21:32	nubbins`	wait, you said no corrosive chems!
21:33	asciilifeform	corrosive to copper, that's it
21:34	nubbins`	not manflesh?
21:34	asciilifeform	not particularly.
21:34	asciilifeform	don't eat it.
21:34	nubbins`	interesting
21:44	pankkake	http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/07/apple-approves-dogecoin-wallet-app-ios/
21:45	ThickAsThieves	lol
21:45	sypher_	http://rt.com/business/bitcoin-russia-use-ban-942/
21:45	ThickAsThieves	read-only
21:46	sypher_	russia seems gone >_>
21:46	nubbins`	mydoge on ios
21:46	nubbins`	ah, my sides
21:46	nubbins`	smash all the things!
21:46	asciilifeform	meanwhile, http://rt.com/usa/us-postal-service-bitcoin-780/
21:47	nubbins`	^ read that, actually not bad
21:47	nubbins`	canada post already sells numismatic coins from the mint
21:47	nubbins`	and postal money orders, of course
21:47	nubbins`	so it's not a huge leap
21:48	sypher_	was reading about the USPS but its just a few talks atm, even the article itself is cautious
21:50	nubbins`	nod
21:50	nubbins`	high-level meeting
21:53	KRS-One	such wow. much credibility.
21:53	KRS-One	http://rt.com/usa/us-postal-service-bitcoin-780/
21:53	nubbins`	KRS-One, scroll up nine lines.
21:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.00086813 = 4.2382 BTC [+]
22:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 21 @ 0.005 = 0.105 BTC {2}
22:05	nubbins`	http://silvergoldbull.com/silver/1-oz-2014-bitcon-silver-round
22:05	ozbot	Silver Gold Bull - 1 oz 2014 BitCON Silver Round - Silver
22:05	nubbins`	heh
22:05	nubbins`	another lame round from Silver Beatoff Silver Shit
22:08	sypher_	uff, when's it gonna stop falling ... i wanna go to sleep! ... >_>
22:09	herbijudlestoids	sypher_: what kind of games are you playing that youre losing sleep over the movement
22:10	sypher_	nothing, just excited to see the troll box on BTCe with all the boys shouting ... i just wanna buy back in when its gonna stop fallin; exited at a loss some time ago.
22:11	herbijudlestoids	what price did you want to buy at?
22:12	sypher_	722 would be my target
22:13	herbijudlestoids	why not do a options spread on MPex? short the 722 puts
22:14	herbijudlestoids	and long whatever appropriately derisks you
22:14	herbijudlestoids	price goes to 722 and you get exercised, if not collect premium
22:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00086838 = 8.5101 BTC [+] {2}
22:16	sypher_	you're way over my understanding grade. I'm at the 'buy low; sell high' phase; which i could translate in 'i'm an idiot'. :-)
22:17	herbijudlestoids	options give you the right but not the obligation to long/short the underlying asset at a given strike price and date ...e.g the option to long BTCUSD at 1000 regardless of the price as of Jan 2014
22:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00086849 = 6.4268 BTC [+]
22:18	herbijudlestoids	option to long is a call, option to short is a put. if you sell a put, youre selling the right for someone to short at a given price
22:18	herbijudlestoids	so you sell someone the contract which gives them the right to short BTCUSD at 722. they will never exercise this contract unless the price is <= 722
22:19	KRS-One	heh thanks nubbins`
22:19	nubbins`	:D
22:19	KRS-One	oops
22:19	herbijudlestoids	if the contract expires or the price doesnt go below 722, you get to keep the "premium", the cost of the contract you sold
22:19	herbijudlestoids	if it does, then they exercise and short BTCUSD at 722, leaving you long BTCUSD at 722
22:20	herbijudlestoids	i dun know if MPEX supports naked short the contracts, looks like they only allow you to do what they call a SPLIT order, otherwise known as an options spread, so you short the 722 puts and long some distant strike call, like 1000 calls.
22:21	nubbins`	sorry for the stupid question, but i'm exceptionally thick with this sort of thing
22:21	nubbins`	that orgy of puts that was purchased the other day
22:21	nubbins`	purchaser is expecting btc to fall below ~500 or whatever it was?
22:22	herbijudlestoids	its impossible to tell really
22:22	herbijudlestoids	they could be insuring long contracts on another exchange or other options
22:22	herbijudlestoids	maybe they hold 1000BTC on bitstamp and want to insure against the price going below 500
22:22	nubbins`	slightly different question, purchaser profits if btc falls below 500?
22:23	herbijudlestoids	depends entirely on implied vol
22:23	nubbins`	just based on those actions
22:23	herbijudlestoids	if the price goes to 500 but IV when puts were purchased was at 50% and goes down to 20% then the puts might still be worthless
22:23	benkay	herbijudlestoids: no naked shorts on MPEx.
22:24	herbijudlestoids	value of option includes delta, theta, vega etc
22:24	sypher_	herbijudlestoids, thanks for the explanation, I'm trying to get my head around it
22:25	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: buying puts tends to be more of a call on IV than anything else...term structure also plays a part in profit, take a look at the NYSE listed VXX ETF versus VIX for an example of what term structure being in contango can do to a rolling IV long
22:25	dexX7	huh wasn't it the other way around aka. this guy sold puts?
22:25	herbijudlestoids	well, someone obviously sold the puts to the buyer
22:25	nubbins`	D:
22:25	herbijudlestoids	if there is no naked puts then they must have been written against something
22:25	dexX7	the guyer was mpex/oe?
22:26	herbijudlestoids	i doubt its possible to know
22:26	nubbins`	afaik mpoe uses bond deposits to back options
22:27	nubbins`	although i'm barely at the level of understanding what i just said
22:27	herbijudlestoids	no i think youre correct, but i dont know anything about it specifically
22:27	dexX7	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479337
22:27	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
22:27	herbijudlestoids	yea
22:28	dexX7	soo.. if i understand correctly, when the price goes up, this guy wins, right?
22:28	dexX7	just to be sure hehe
22:29	nubbins`	no idea anymore
22:29	herbijudlestoids	so the trader is shorting BTCUSD 500 puts
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22:29	herbijudlestoids	the trade is a bet on IV being high and leveling off or going down, and that they wont get exercised (i.e. the price wont go below 500)
22:30	herbijudlestoids	if BTCUSD goes to 1200 in 1s then IV will go up and the value of the puts will increase commensurately...when puts are fare OTM (out of the money) then their intrinsic value is mostly comprised of IV
22:31	herbijudlestoids	if BTCUSD stays at 750 for 2 weeks without budging and IV goes down then the value of the puts goes down and whoever short them profits
22:31	herbijudlestoids	IV==implied volatility
22:31	herbijudlestoids	am i making sense?
22:32	herbijudlestoids	the value of the option isnt dependent just on price
22:32	nubbins`	you're talking about a foot above my head here, but the failing is mine, not yours
22:33	sypher_	nubbins`, think about how i feel; knowing that you're a whole 2 legs over my head. :-)
22:33	nubbins`	i'm a tall man :D
22:33	herbijudlestoids	there is no set in stone method to calculate the value of an option. there is the black scholes model which has its proponents and detractors. regardless of which model you use, there is a bunch of standard inputs called the greeks
22:33	nubbins`	sure
22:34	herbijudlestoids	delta, vega, theta, rho
22:34	herbijudlestoids	there is also some others like lambda and gamma, depending on your model
22:35	herbijudlestoids	now aside from all of this, there is the current market price that the options are worth
22:35	herbijudlestoids	lets stick with the example of a JAN 2015 $2000 BTCUSD CALL
22:35	nubbins`	okay
22:35	herbijudlestoids	the market price of the options "imply" what the market is considering the value of those greeks will be at settlement
22:36	nubbins`	the greeks are seismographs, for lack of a better analogy, correct?
22:36	herbijudlestoids	does that make sense? the market price of any given option might be very far away from what your model reckons it should be
22:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00086849 = 8.7283 BTC [+]
22:36	nubbins`	yes, sure
22:36	herbijudlestoids	so the market is implying, forecasting, trying to get the best price for what they think the options are worth
22:37	herbijudlestoids	the forecast isnt just for where the price of BTCUSD will be relativeto $2000 in a years time
22:37	herbijudlestoids	its also forecasting vega, delta etc
22:37	herbijudlestoids	some of the greeks are numeric values that you can simply calculate, like theta, which is the time value of the option.
22:38	herbijudlestoids	depending how far ITM/OTM (in the money or out of the money) the option is depends on what the market price of the option actually consists of
22:38	herbijudlestoids	for example, if the option is far OTM (e.g. the price of BTCUSD is $1 and the call is for $2000) then the value of the option will consist mostly of vega and theta (which is decaying as time goes on)
22:39	nubbins`	is it fair to say that the price of a given option indicates not only an expectation of price, but of volatility?
22:39	herbijudlestoids	like i said, depends how far ITM/OTM
22:39	benkay	yes. that is a core valuation principle.
22:39	benkay	sometimes a heavier factor than other times.
22:40	herbijudlestoids	now options have some synthetic equivalency
22:40	sypher_	uhm.
22:41	sypher_	herbijudlestoids, nubbins`, got an account at gox?
22:41	herbijudlestoids	i.e. shorting a $2000 call has the same/similar payoff profile (at settlement) to long $2000 put
22:41	herbijudlestoids	sypher_: no
22:41	herbijudlestoids	i own 0.02BTC
22:41	sypher_	there's a kinda bad news I'm reading on the troll box
22:41	herbijudlestoids	pastebin it
22:41	sypher_	gox hacked
22:41	herbijudlestoids	pastebin!
22:41	sypher_	https://twitter.com/revishere/status/431604103769104384
22:42	copumpkin	isn't that hte old one?
22:42	ozbot	Twitter / revishere: RT @deletesec: @MtGox ...
22:42	nubbins`	that tweet is from yesterday
22:43	nubbins`	and to answer your question, no, i don't have an account at gox
22:43	copumpkin	the tweet might be
22:43	copumpkin	but is the list ancient?
22:43	dexX7	it's the old one from 2011
22:43	dexX7	matches one to one
22:43	copumpkin	yeah
22:44	sypher_	then fake >_>
22:44	dexX7	yup fake. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94308.0 if you want to compare the lists
22:44	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: need more or make sense now?
22:45	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids, that clarifies things a bit, but i think what i really need is to visit the library
22:45	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: there is this awesome blogger bill luby, he does vixandmore.blogspot.com ...hardcore options geekery explained for the masses.
22:45	herbijudlestoids	mostly for regular markets but its all the same maths
22:46	nubbins`	ah, like the Scientific American of finance
22:47	herbijudlestoids	i actually got a kickass long vol model for NYSE index ETFs, probly wouldnt work on MPex
22:47	mike_c	nubbins, options are entirely about volatility. option pricing is "known", with volatility being the only variable in the equation.
22:48	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: one last point is that you can build positions that are much more dependent on IV than price, for example if i buy a call and buy a put for the same strike and expiry
22:48	herbijudlestoids	mike_c: err, well the underlying price isnt known :P
22:49	mike_c	strike price is known, spot price is known
22:49	mike_c	IV is the only variable
22:52	herbijudlestoids	lemme know how your IV only model works if MPBOR decides to move or whatever
22:53	mike_c	:) are you saying mpbor is a risk-free interest rate?
22:54	herbijudlestoids	well in the case of MPex options are you saying there is no rho?
22:54	herbijudlestoids	is the market so locally inefficient that price forecasting ability plays no role in alpha generation?
22:54	herbijudlestoids	i doubt
22:55	benkay	lol mpbonds risk free
22:56	nubbins`	^
22:57	mike_c	sry herb, yes. i am saying rho=0
22:59	herbijudlestoids	well in that case ok
23:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00086849 = 5.8189 BTC [+]
23:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.496 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2}
23:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]
23:11	nubbins`	;;seen thestringpuller
23:11	gribble	thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 1 minute, and 56 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> ;;ticker
23:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5294 @ 0.00086763 = 4.5932 BTC [-]
23:29	mod6	$vwap ^OIX
23:29	mpexbot	mod6: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 106.61730011 high: 106.48204971 low: 122.22370491 volume: 1556 btc: 33.85537371 30 day: no data
23:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.003135 = 0.1944 BTC [+]
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23:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8880 @ 0.00086849 = 7.7122 BTC [+]

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