Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-02-02 | 2014-02-04 → ↓
00:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 297 @ 0.00083988 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {2}
00:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999994 BTC [+]
00:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999994 BTC [+]
00:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8023 @ 0.00093006 = 7.4619 BTC [-] {2}
00:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00093391 = 12.0474 BTC [+] {2}
00:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+]
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01:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00093425 = 4.1107 BTC [+]
01:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00093003 = 9.5793 BTC [-] {2}
01:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7214 @ 0.00092895 = 6.7014 BTC [-] {2}
01:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00092837 = 3.7599 BTC [-]
01:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.0044889 = 0.1796 BTC [+] {2}
01:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-]
02:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00092837 = 1.6711 BTC [-]
02:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00093335 = 0.6533 BTC [+]
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02:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11229 @ 0.00093481 = 10.497 BTC [+] {3}
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03:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00093123 = 0.6984 BTC [-]
03:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00093123 = 1.7693 BTC [-]
03:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00093616 = 4.0255 BTC [+]
03:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC
03:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
03:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
03:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
03:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00093123 = 5.1218 BTC [-]
04:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.00583557 = 1.1846 BTC [+] {12}
04:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 273 @ 0.00594777 = 1.6237 BTC [+] {8}
04:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00595629 = 1.7869 BTC [+] {8}
04:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00596832 = 0.8952 BTC [+] {4}
04:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.1255 = 0.8785 BTC [+]
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05:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-]
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05:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1354 @ 0.00296265 = 4.0114 BTC [+] {5}
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05:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
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06:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.141 BTC [-]
06:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1364 @ 0.00093616 = 1.2769 BTC [+]
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06:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093607 = 2.9954 BTC [-]
06:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
06:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00093616 = 2.3404 BTC [+]
06:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.14999998 = 0.45 BTC [+]
06:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14999998 BTC [+]
06:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
06:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00093358 = 13.9103 BTC [-] {4}
07:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.112 = 0.336 BTC [-] {2}
07:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
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07:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
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08:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.002975 = 0.4849 BTC [+]
08:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 186 @ 0.00448889 = 0.8349 BTC [-]
08:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00295445 = 0.5466 BTC [-] {2}
08:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00298499 = 1.791 BTC [+] {3}
08:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12107 @ 0.00093629 = 11.3357 BTC [+] {4}
08:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [+] {2}
08:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.0722 = 0.4332 BTC [-]
08:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1271 @ 0.0001184 = 0.1505 BTC [+] {2}
08:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00444 = 0.2398 BTC [-]
08:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
08:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04841 = 0.4841 BTC [-]
08:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.02966865 = 0.445 BTC [+] {4}
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09:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00093164 = 14.9994 BTC [-]
09:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.112 = 0.224 BTC [-]
09:48 kakobrekla dobr dan urh
09:50 jurov vitaj
09:51 kakobrekla i moved my ass to civilization btw
09:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00093412 = 2.9425 BTC [+]
10:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57013103 = 1.1403 BTC [-] {2}
10:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00561916 = 0.1011 BTC [-] {5}
10:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
10:15 kakobrekla Panacea performance for January after fees: +0.12% (very calm month, only 2 trades executed)
10:17 jurov and bitbet?
10:17 kakobrekla dunno what mp is slackin!
10:17 jurov or mircea does the report?
10:17 kakobrekla yep
10:18 jurov s.mg is there, so it should be in pipeline
10:18 kakobrekla yea
10:18 kakobrekla one of these days.
10:20 jurov and then prodding mircea to pay divs :)
10:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093456 = 5.0466 BTC [+] {2}
10:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15872 @ 0.00093652 = 14.8644 BTC [+] {4}
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10:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02969 = 0.2375 BTC [+]
11:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2849 @ 0.00083989 = 2.3928 BTC [+] {8}
11:11 Rulother is Freenode having issues?
11:11 Duffer1 ya man
11:18 asdfasdfsdf "mitigating a ddos"
11:18 asdfasdfsdf https://twitter.com/freenodestaff
11:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [-]
11:30 wao-ender yeah, someone used ntp amp attack
11:30 wao-ender afaik
11:30 wao-ender rumors said, there was over 50GB/s
11:31 asdfasdfsdf what's the financial motive for ddos'ing freenode? i don't get it.
11:31 asdfasdfsdf maybe just practicing
11:32 Duffer1 nsa testing terrist disruption system
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11:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00093663 = 3.2782 BTC [+]
11:33 jcpham normally ddos is a cover for something else
11:33 jcpham a smokescreen/diversion so the real target goes unnoticed
11:34 jcpham gut hey what do i know
11:36 simlay wao-ender: on freenode? I heard about 50 GB/s to cloudflare
11:36 wao-ender why financial motive?
11:36 Duffer1 unrelated: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446703.msg4913192#msg4913192
11:37 asdfasdfsdf why else? these attacks can't have no cost
11:37 Duffer1 that doesn't necessitate financial motive
11:37 wao-ender > someone said something to someone else on a channel that wasn't appreciated
11:37 wao-ender best definition of attacks on ircd
11:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0009326 = 11.7508 BTC [-]
11:39 Rulother__ jesus
11:39 Rulother__ I was sad to come into work to see my channel had such low attendence
11:44 simlay Duffer1: Interesting. Riecoin seems somewhat academic to me.
11:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58400001 BTC [+]
11:45 Duffer1 i look forward to reading how the PoW will work
11:55 chatquack What is this maddness?
11:58 simlay chatquack: freenode is getting ddos'ed.
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.34956050 BTC to 9`577 shares, 3650 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.61090861 BTC to 533 shares, 114617 satoshi per share
12:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00093193 = 2.7026 BTC [-] {2}
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13475999 BTC [-]
12:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.02969 = 0.861 BTC [+]
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2184 @ 0.00299269 = 6.536 BTC [+] {6}
12:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+]
12:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 335 @ 0.003 = 1.005 BTC [+]
12:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02969 = 0.3563 BTC [+]
12:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
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13:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003 = 0.15 BTC [+]
13:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10305 @ 0.00093136 = 9.5977 BTC [-] {2}
13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00093552 = 8.2794 BTC [+] {2}
13:31 KRS- Gribble indicted over ponzi allegations of Bitcoin. Global police task force investigating Cyber Currency. Warrants issued for Fontas, Woolong and Bobby Lee. Mt. Gox president Mark Karpeles detained in China for fleeing authorities in Japan. Fontas quoted as saying "YOU CAN'T STOP TEH PUMP". News at 11. PANIC!
13:40 kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC_NmkMBKP4#t=17
13:40 diametric seems legit
13:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.08726873 = 1.3963 BTC [+] {9}
13:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.09673798 = 0.9674 BTC [+] {6}
13:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1316 @ 0.00450064 = 5.9228 BTC [+] {10}
13:45 kakobrekla it is legit
13:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 684 @ 0.00477418 = 3.2655 BTC [+] {17}
13:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 371 @ 0.00499314 = 1.8525 BTC [+] {6}
13:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]
14:03 pLambert is CFIG a scam?
14:05 Duffer1 i seem to recall hating on them for some reason or another around the time the announced ipo
14:06 wao-ender heh
14:07 lippoper where's ozbot?
14:08 Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269191.msg2881689#msg2881689
14:08 jurov ;;ticker
14:08 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 935.506, Best ask: 942.37, Bid-ask spread: 6.86400, Last trade: 942.9, 24 hour volume: 1846.26821808, 24 hour low: 935.0, 24 hour high: 960.0, 24 hour vwap: 945.23548
14:08 asdfasdfsdf ozbot is busy ddos'ing freenode
14:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5899 BTC [+]
14:10 Duffer1 ya cfig is another havelock scam designed to lose investors money
14:10 Duffer1 it's trading at half ipo atm
14:11 Duffer1 which is shocking, realistically it's worth far less
14:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.002984 = 0.5073 BTC [-]
14:15 Duffer1 oh wow
14:15 Duffer1 it's The Panama Fund that acquired Havelock, it's some of the same guys as CFIG
14:15 Duffer1 lots of things making sense now
14:16 pLambert ok, I was trying to figure out what CFIG is supposed to do and nothing they say makes any sense to me
14:17 Duffer1 it's supposed to lose investors everything
14:18 pLambert maybe it will be more clear if/when they produce a finacial statement next month?
14:19 Duffer1 meh, all we have is what they say, still no identifications, still no product
14:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00596848 = 0.1015 BTC [+] {2}
14:38 kakobrekla why do you do biz with unknown idiots
14:38 kakobrekla ?
14:45 pLambert kakobrekla: who is unknown idiots?
14:46 kakobrekla cfig?
14:46 pLambert oh, right
14:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [-]
14:47 pLambert is anybody on havelock not an unknown idiot?
14:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002984 = 0.2984 BTC [-]
14:49 kakobrekla i do not know
14:49 Duffer1 i think neo&bee have released their IDs
14:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 150 @ 0.005 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3}
14:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002984 = 0.2984 BTC [-]
14:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [+]
15:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.11433996 = 0.5717 BTC [+] {4}
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5707 @ 0.0009345 = 5.3332 BTC [-]
15:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-]
15:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00093282 = 4.6641 BTC [-] {2}
15:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+]
15:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09333334 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2}
15:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 211 @ 0.00082355 = 0.1738 BTC [-] {2}
15:22 dub kakobrekla: what am I watching
15:22 dub global warming in action obv
15:24 kakobrekla ice ice baby
15:33 kakobrekla back of my house https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5547/12293423185_93c68b313a_o.jpg
15:33 mike_c whoa. i thought you fled to safety?
15:34 kakobrekla yes
15:34 kakobrekla pic is from yesterday
15:34 mike_c crazy. snowing here too, i think we got 3 inches!
15:36 kakobrekla ice is the problem really, snow not so much
15:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003107 BTC [-]
15:39 dub hot as fuck here
15:40 dub 30c with 99% humidity
15:41 jcpham last week ice storm, 2 days later sunny and 70F
15:41 jcpham now it's almost freezing again
15:41 dub and im in a meeting room repurposed into a lab meaning the AC is not keeping up
15:45 kakobrekla https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3691/11826374134_dc41849842_o.jpg
15:45 kakobrekla and this is about 1km away in same direction
15:45 kakobrekla at a different time
15:49 dub jesus
15:49 dub live in the sticks much
15:50 kakobrekla eh
15:50 kakobrekla its quite nice there really
15:50 dub yeah looks it
15:51 dub in other local news http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/02/03/1852247/anonymous-slovenia-claims-to-have-hacked-the-fbi-and-posted-emails-to-pastebinpunkman
15:52 kakobrekla bua
15:52 kakobrekla i thought we were out of power
15:52 kakobrekla not hacking fbi
15:53 mike_c out of power is the payback
15:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
15:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0059686 = 0.1134 BTC [+]
15:53 kakobrekla its dangerous for slovenians to do this
15:54 Namworld Do what?
15:54 kakobrekla the usg can build a guantanamo clone and house all 2 mio slovenians there
15:54 dub cockmeat for all
15:54 kakobrekla jurov come over, quickly!
15:55 jurov why?
15:55 jurov no you should flee asap
15:56 kakobrekla wanna switch?
15:56 jurov swim obver to italy or whatever
15:57 nubbins` kako still snowing?
15:57 kakobrekla you can also admit running bitbet while you are being tortured
15:57 nubbins`_ wait, what?
15:57 nubbins` there
15:57 kakobrekla nubbins` not at the moment
15:57 jurov oh, i'll stick to running unlicensed securities
15:57 jurov they won't torture banksters
15:57 nubbins` better keep warm
15:57 kakobrekla and dice games :)
15:57 nubbins` got your power back yet?
15:58 kakobrekla nubbins` no, i moved my ass
15:58 nubbins` ah, i see
15:58 nubbins` did you open your faucets a little bit to prevent frozen/burst pipes?
15:58 kakobrekla that wont be a problem
15:59 nubbins` oh, good. messy stuff.
15:59 nubbins` i had a ton of friends with burst pipes in early january when the power went
15:59 jurov here, just 200 miles away, there's only filthy slush
15:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4835 @ 0.0009369 = 4.5299 BTC [+]
16:00 kakobrekla its not cold
16:00 kakobrekla outside is at freezing point
16:00 jurov *300miles
16:00 nubbins` ah, no big deal then
16:00 Mats_cd03 'Just 300 miles'
16:00 nubbins` jurov, what's a mile?
16:00 kakobrekla nubbins` did you see the video i posted before
16:00 nubbins` ;;calc 300*1.6
16:00 gribble 480
16:00 nubbins` nope
16:00 Mats_cd03 What a world we live in...
16:00 jurov some fancy measure..1337 feet or so
16:00 nubbins` heh
16:00 nubbins` leet feet
16:00 kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC_NmkMBKP4#t=17
16:01 kakobrekla also https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5547/12293423185_93c68b313a_o.jpg
16:02 nubbins` looks like here :D
16:02 nubbins` oh n/m, there's the ice shots
16:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
16:03 nubbins` ice is what fucks everything up
16:03 kakobrekla yea
16:03 kakobrekla the thickness of the thing...
16:04 nubbins` nod
16:04 nubbins` heavy stuff
16:04 jurov if it were deep freezing this won't happen
16:04 jurov it needs mild freeze+rain
16:04 nubbins` ^
16:04 jurov or mist
16:04 nubbins` nah mist/fog eats snow and ice
16:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00451875 = 0.1808 BTC [-] {4}
16:06 nubbins` reminds me of the massive canadian ice storm in 1998
16:06 nubbins` we didn't get hit here, central canada got it pretty bad
16:06 nubbins` http://canadaalive.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/icestorm2-pylons.jpg
16:07 nubbins` ;;seen thestringpuller
16:07 gribble thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> ;;ticker
16:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 146 @ 0.0059686 = 0.8714 BTC [+] {2}
16:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13699997 = 0.274 BTC [+] {2}
16:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [+]
16:15 Namworld You call that heavy ice?
16:15 Namworld Looks average.
16:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.0059685 = 0.3223 BTC [-] {2}
16:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00093305 = 12.6895 BTC [-]
16:17 Namworld Yeah. Central Canada. I was a kid back then. I remember seeing those pylons on the news.
16:17 dub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlPwSNz7YNg
16:17 Namworld By the way, you must construct additional pylons.
16:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.13699999 = 0.411 BTC [+]
16:20 kakobrekla we dont have any trees left
16:22 Namworld How thick is the ice?
16:22 kakobrekla up to a few cm
16:24 Namworld oh, nevermind what I said then
16:24 Namworld Looks like half a centimeter on that photo
16:25 kakobrekla over 1 cm on that pic
16:27 Namworld I guess I miscalculated the size of those twigs
16:28 Namworld http://www.mcgill.ca/files/reporter/4009icestorm3.jpg
16:28 Namworld http://littlepatti.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/icestorm-1.jpg
16:37 kakobrekla gah apparenlty ill be out of power for a week
16:37 kakobrekla all the generators == sold
16:38 Namworld Where are you now then?
16:38 kakobrekla well, not at home
16:39 Namworld That's very specific. I could never have guessed.
16:41 nubbins` heh
16:41 nubbins` the generators were all sold by the time the snow started, i'd say
16:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4020 @ 0.0009369 = 3.7663 BTC [+]
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17:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00093708 = 8.5743 BTC [+] {3}
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17:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00093544 = 4.5369 BTC [-] {3}
17:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00093373 = 24.417 BTC [-] {5}
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18:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13799999 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2}
18:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000123 = 0.123 BTC [+]
18:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.139 BTC [+]
18:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003008 BTC [-]
18:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57003007 = 1.7101 BTC [-]
18:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.139 BTC [+]
18:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.04824265 = 2.0262 BTC [-] {4}
18:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.002984 = 0.2089 BTC [+]
18:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02969 = 0.1485 BTC [+]
18:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.139 = 0.278 BTC [+]
18:25 herbijudlestoids hmmm maybe not...seems ok
18:31 deadweasel glad to hear it, kako
18:40 herbijudlestoids http://imgur.com/Pmg7JPP,Vn4Ztuh,kQPpSIQ vols, ret dist and volume
18:40 herbijudlestoids (for MPOE)
18:55 ThickAsThieves should anyone be interested, me ranting on Colored Coins (again) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4921544#msg4921544
18:55 kakobrekla 'fuck fuck shit fuck' would have same effect
18:57 nubbins` hahaha
18:57 nubbins` good read, but this ^^
18:57 nubbins` advice isn't given, it's taken
18:58 ThickAsThieves you never know what lemming the lemmings choose to follow next!
18:58 kakobrekla hows altcoins doing
18:58 kakobrekla are we rich yet?
18:59 nubbins` so i'm wondering if there's a reasonable method by which i could use my s.mg stock warrant as the basis for selling options
18:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
18:59 nubbins` seems to me like without some sort of pre-existing framework in which to do so (and afaik there is none), there's too much trust involved for it to work
18:59 kakobrekla is there a market for it?
18:59 nubbins` well, s.mg is pretty low volume
19:00 nubbins` but i think in 6-12 months or so, you'll see it priced 3-4x current
19:01 ThickAsThieves nubbins wants btct style options on mpex
19:01 ThickAsThieves optionize all the things!
19:01 nubbins` i don't think there's a market for it today, anyway
19:01 kakobrekla buy shares then
19:01 nubbins` thing all the things!
19:01 ThickAsThieves :)
19:01 nubbins` what makes you think i don't have any :D
19:02 ThickAsThieves Altcoin is still waiting for its source code, though I'm wondering if we need to wait and can't just do it ourselves from the genesis block
19:02 kakobrekla *moar
19:02 nubbins` heh
19:02 ThickAsThieves pankakke can you save Altcoin?
19:07 ThickAsThieves also, did benkay ever sort an estimate for altgen.io?
19:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131 = 0.262 BTC [-]
19:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
19:13 benkay a few months is the answer
19:13 benkay for some of the parts
19:13 benkay mp wants the moon, unsurprisingly.
19:13 kakobrekla what is altgen io
19:13 ThickAsThieves i see
19:14 ThickAsThieves its coingen.io properly
19:14 benkay the altcoin generation bit is pretty easily did and the exchange its own bundle o' giggles but there are performance considerations around running an arbitrary number of wallet watchers
19:15 ThickAsThieves so it needs more people
19:16 benkay ha
19:17 benkay ever heard of the Mythical Man Month?
19:17 benkay anyways
19:18 nubbins` "surely if we divide this pizza into a thousand equal slices and gather a thousand men, it will be consumed quicker"
19:18 kakobrekla so, bit4x just made a switch from dBTC to mBTC, which is 1:10 going to 1:1000, but i only feel 10 times richer
19:19 benkay i can definitely arrange for btc to get burned. i don't think that's a sensible business plan, though.
19:19 ThickAsThieves appreciated
19:20 dub http://cheezburger.com/8013939200?ref=rightarrow&siteId=75
19:21 mircea_popescu ?ref=rightarrow ? srsly ?
19:21 dub srsly
19:22 kakobrekla myea, correctarrow would be more appropriate
19:22 mircea_popescu o look who's here
19:22 kakobrekla for the time being
19:22 mircea_popescu dude i looked at footage, what the fuck, there's been no snow. you got a little freezing rain.
19:23 mircea_popescu you know that's boston EVERY WINTER
19:23 kakobrekla nah, pics dont do it justice
19:23 mircea_popescu slovenia scam emergency
19:23 kakobrekla srsly, its tits up
19:23 mircea_popescu srsly ?
19:23 kakobrekla up to few cm of ice on _everything_
19:23 mircea_popescu maybe that's just its natural position...
19:23 mircea_popescu soooo ?
19:23 kakobrekla like sight unseen
19:24 kakobrekla it fucked all the trees
19:24 mircea_popescu sight unseen maybe, but srsly, freezing rain is no emergency.
19:24 kakobrekla all the power lines
19:24 mircea_popescu well... they're trees. what are they there for.
19:24 nubbins` after it gets to a certain thickness, it's an emergency
19:24 nubbins` ice is HEAVY
19:24 kakobrekla my house will be out of power for a week probably
19:24 kakobrekla same for running water
19:24 mircea_popescu if water stopped running btw,
19:24 ThickAsThieves will it still have a rough?
19:24 mircea_popescu expect 2-3 weeks till they fix all the pipes
19:24 ThickAsThieves roof
19:24 ThickAsThieves lol
19:24 ThickAsThieves canine slip
19:25 mircea_popescu that'd have been "a woof"
19:25 mircea_popescu what you said is bdsmslip
19:25 ThickAsThieves lol
19:25 mircea_popescu meanwhile at bar, http://31.media.tumblr.com/098e51ac0c0c7ec3e7df2d02195e229e/tumblr_mhu879mk0V1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
19:26 ThickAsThieves lol, girls get so mad at girls
19:26 mircea_popescu mhm.
19:26 nubbins` meanwhile at heavily airbrushed face
19:26 deadweasel look at her face! she's like "whut a slanka!"
19:26 mircea_popescu "how dares she be sexually adventurous to a greater degree than me!!11"
19:26 deadweasel who are these naked women in your bars?
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19:27 deadweasel why do I not have this bar?
19:27 mircea_popescu nubbins` don't hate, some people have the misfortune of falling on a running millstone
19:27 mircea_popescu deadweasel they're more like girls than women, really.
19:27 nubbins` well ya know. maybe that look is pity rather than contempt, then
19:27 nubbins` "poor mash-face has to get naked to be noticed"
19:27 mircea_popescu take this one. nulliparous.
19:28 kakobrekla http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072193_photo_375919_20140203_4.jpg
19:28 kakobrekla http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072198_photo_375957_20140203_4.jpg
19:28 mircea_popescu kakobrekla did the ice also cover all your vowels ?
19:28 mircea_popescu or was the language like that to begin with.
19:28 kakobrekla is like that in all weather
19:29 deadweasel mircea_popescu: point taken, srs tho are you giving out btc for clothing?
19:29 mircea_popescu wow pole actually fell over iceweight huh
19:29 kakobrekla http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072200_photo_375962_20140203_4.jpg
19:30 mircea_popescu deadweasel moar like bitcents.
19:30 kakobrekla not 1, like 100
19:30 mircea_popescu which i suppose is technically btc too...
19:30 mircea_popescu kakobrekla so that's what, like 80-85% ?
19:30 deadweasel it's good to be the king
19:30 deadweasel i still make them get naked with nice cheap words.
19:30 deadweasel less successfully tho, mind you
19:31 kakobrekla less
19:31 kakobrekla i dunno
19:31 mircea_popescu kakobrekla anyway, great you're ok.
19:31 kakobrekla theres about 1000 transformers damaged
19:32 deadweasel holy shit, that's going to be a while...
19:32 dub fucken global warming
19:32 nubbins` dub, the climate isn't changing
19:32 mircea_popescu yeah they got troubles. i was just making light of it because i'm an asshole in a tropical climate 70 miles away.
19:32 nubbins` it's a lefty conspiracy
19:32 mircea_popescu meanwhile back at finance ranch, http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-january-2014-statement/
19:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
19:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.03400075 = 0.102 BTC [-] {2}
19:32 kakobrekla its gonna take a year+ to fix all damage
19:32 kakobrekla and years to clean up the forrests
19:32 mircea_popescu nubbins` dun be telling dub it's a lefty conspiracy, he's been sayin' it since b4 you were boarn, son.
19:33 nubbins` loony lefties
19:34 mircea_popescu kakobrekla the snowdrops came out all over here.
19:34 kakobrekla :)
19:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
19:37 dub having not followed cardano at all, any utility in it shipping with 'hardware' encrypted disk as a value add?
19:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0009347 = 18.8809 BTC [+]
19:37 asciilifeform dub: elaborate
19:38 dub bolt on some flash that can't be casually read without having whatever other requisite peice
19:39 dub mp is a big fan of fde
19:39 asciilifeform dub: if you recall, cardano presents as a disk. anything written to said disk is encrypted
19:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40023 @ 0.00092945 = 37.1994 BTC [-] {4}
19:39 dub oh good
19:39 asciilifeform (pulling the flash card gets you nothing)
19:40 mircea_popescu well... in fact it DOES get you high quality entropy.
19:41 mircea_popescu not as high as using the thing as intended, but still.
19:41 asciilifeform i sorta wonder if anybody bothered to read the original spec
19:42 asciilifeform what do people think cardano is. an electric saw?
19:42 dub hardware rng
19:42 asciilifeform rng is simply a part therein
19:42 asciilifeform (two of them, to be exact)
19:43 deadweasel can my electric saw have one of those neked bar girls attached?
19:43 Mats_cd03 ozbot is dead, long live ozbot
19:43 asciilifeform if we only wanted to ship rng, we could've done so in november. to all of six customers, or somesuch.
19:43 deadweasel .bait
19:44 ThickAsThieves "Since it's a SHA-256 coin, this is an interesting one to follow because the same equipment can mine it." I love the folds of irony Altcoin brings
19:44 dub was just an idle thought 'hey since I'm lugging it around anyway, 64g of storage with better-than-a-truecrypt-volume security might be nice'
19:45 herbijudlestoids approx how many MPOE shares on issue mircea_popescu?
19:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 900.45241962 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 180 satoshi per share
19:46 asciilifeform dub: 'Mark I' Cardano is USB 1.1. if you're ok with ~200kB/sec on your flash drive, you can use it as such.
19:46 dub ack, no thanks
19:46 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids no approx. 1 bn. it's in the contract.
19:46 asciilifeform 'good/cheap/quick pick two'
19:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131001 = 0.262 BTC [+]
19:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's possibly more rng customers than gpg customers imo
19:47 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves thick, lucscious, shimmering pink folds of goodness.
19:47 asciilifeform funny that nobody is quick to help them.
19:48 dub we're mostly only just learning how broken existing offers are tho rite?
19:48 mircea_popescu two clowns in a restaurant
19:48 mircea_popescu "does this taste funny to you ?"
19:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
19:49 mircea_popescu dub notrly, we're mostly just reading the guardian about how fucking exciting it is to be like at the guardian. also diets.
19:49 dub the royal unwasher we're
19:49 dub unwashed
19:49 nubbins` guy walks into a bar and orders a glass of brake fluid. "brake fluid?", the barkeep asks.
19:49 nubbins` "yeah, i'm addicted," the guy says, "but i can stop whenever i want"
19:49 asciilifeform dub: there's maybe a dozen outfits selling dedicated rngs, of various cost and quality.
19:49 Mats_cd03 i have a brilliant idea for a bitcoin venture
19:49 Mats_cd03 and i'm giving it away for free
19:50 dub ya - 8 Ways Your Sphincter Will Tighten When You Read This Amazing Conspirace
19:50 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: so is my calculation as the P/E of MPOE to be ~55 correct?
19:50 Mats_cd03 read: bitcoin tontines
19:50 ThickAsThieves anyone following the Open Transactions guy?
19:50 mircea_popescu lol "royal unwasher", i chuckled.
19:50 ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNzIFu5L70
19:50 nubbins` Mats_cd03: funny thing about ideas...
19:50 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids sounds about right.
19:50 ThickAsThieves i like how he's not smooth at all
19:50 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves very... zoomedoutedly so to speak.
19:51 deadweasel Mats_cd03: just's watched the simpsons tontine episode?
19:51 Mats_cd03 deadweasel: no i was thinking about the double deuces episode in archer just now
19:51 Mats_cd03 but it looks like nubbins` is rite and i'm unoriginal
19:51 dub they made more archer? rad
19:51 deadweasel ah yes, forgot taht one.. those two episode made me laugh harder than I have in months
19:51 Mats_cd03 kill self
19:52 deadweasel starts to fade at the third
19:52 ThickAsThieves "i'm gonna make servers that you dont have to trust"
19:52 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: and the div yield ~2.5%?
19:52 Mats_cd03 dub: there is also more archer... 3 eps out i belieb
19:52 deadweasel tongiht is a new one!
19:52 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-HUDo7XQ4
19:52 Mats_cd03 i wish i had friends that would put in for a tontine
19:53 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids something like that. depends on how exactly you calculate the reference price.
19:53 nubbins` what was it, the flying hellfish or something?
19:53 deadweasel how do you reveal your private key to the right person when you die? holy shit, we need bitcoin TRUST FUNDS...
19:53 herbijudlestoids so based on those numbers i calculate the "market implied annual EPS growth rate" to be 86%
19:53 herbijudlestoids (approx)
19:54 asciilifeform one could conceivably implement it as a 'dead man's switch'
19:54 Mats_cd03 i imagine it would be in escrow
19:54 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids mind that you are calculating something over a very fastly changing curve.
19:54 deadweasel ah yes, if you don't reply to the email after a month, it's sent out
19:54 mircea_popescu something akin to "the average value of sin(x)"
19:54 asciilifeform every year the participants put out crypto-signed whatever, if one doesn't, his share goes in the pot
19:54 dub hardware dead man switch
19:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform once the space stabilizes some i expect tontines will actually work great.
19:54 mircea_popescu very easy to run them transparently.
19:54 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: which curve is fastly changing? the earnings?
19:55 Mats_cd03 that sounds like good fun, although i'd be worried about getting killed if this wasn't pseudonymous
19:55 dub no heartbeat for 8 hours, upload key
19:55 Mats_cd03 but i suppose thats 99% of the fun amirite
19:55 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids many things. in jan last, there were ~7mn btc. now there's 12mn.
19:55 asciilifeform a 'kinder, gentler' tontine, where you don't have to plug your rivals, just help them forget to check their mail
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19:55 mircea_popescu think... m3 changed by... 60% ? wow.
19:56 mircea_popescu then there were like 3 major craters or so.
19:56 mircea_popescu after pirate we had a 4 month freezeout which was the worst i ever saw, almost killed the s.dice ipo
19:56 mircea_popescu it.was.bad.
19:56 herbijudlestoids so how does that affect my calculation?
19:56 mircea_popescu i don't think any current sovereign could survive such depression at all.
19:57 mircea_popescu well... your calculation sits atop and intends to represent an economic reality. which is very fast chaning.
19:57 herbijudlestoids basically all im saying is that if EPS is expected to grow ~86%p.a. then MPOE is a fair value investment, if less then its overvalued, if more then undervalued
19:57 mircea_popescu "sin(x) is expected to be 0"
19:57 mircea_popescu sure.
19:57 asciilifeform well, to be fair, if the participants paid for food/housing with btc, there might've been an actual body count rather than simple whining
19:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed.
19:57 ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNzIFu5L70#t=647 at 10:44, lols
19:57 nubbins` asciilifeform: there's always this year :D
19:58 mircea_popescu yet again one of our major strengths turns out to have been what clueless noobs imagined is a weakness.
19:58 nubbins` what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc.
19:58 mircea_popescu if btc had actual economic adherence in 2012-2013 we'd have been fucked with a capital CK
19:58 nubbins` if it had adherence, maybe those events wouldn't have happened
19:58 nubbins` did you even WATCH back to the future? ;(
19:59 mircea_popescu nubbins` it's a flattering point, but i very much doubt it.
19:59 mircea_popescu who knwos tho. alternative pasts.
19:59 Mats_cd03 utilities being for rich entities seeking modest, secure returns, i dont see that happening
19:59 asciilifeform at some point we'll see the destitute and desperate sell their organs for a btc or two, to pay their meters. but not soon.
20:00 nubbins` i never really viewed the wet parts trade as a thing where sellers sought buyers.
20:00 nubbins` what do you do, hang around a hospital?
20:00 mircea_popescu doh ?!
20:00 mircea_popescu what do you think the chinese do /
20:00 mircea_popescu they send recruiting teams in the poor farmland, give kids laptops take their kidneys.
20:01 mircea_popescu it's grotesque.
20:01 nubbins` well exactly
20:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the chinese famously hang around the town scaffold
20:01 nubbins` buyers lead the trade
20:01 mircea_popescu o i see what you meant.
20:01 dub I thought they just pick a religion and use its practitioners
20:01 mircea_popescu dub yeah but they ran out of religions meanwhile.
20:01 dub witness falung gong
20:01 nubbins` "who will buy my kidney" will attract nobody, because who wants the kidney of someone destitute enough to want to sell theirs?
20:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're selling about 100k parts a year by the latest numbers i saw.
20:01 mircea_popescu they're not executing 1k people a year
20:02 ThickAsThieves <nubbins`> what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc. <<<< i might add "design a 100% Pure Bitcoin seal design" to my todo list
20:02 asciilifeform by one account, ~20k/yr
20:02 ThickAsThieves need to promote the concept
20:02 nubbins` design a design and thing all the things
20:02 dub nubbins`: theres a market, supply/demand and all that jazz
20:02 ThickAsThieves you know me!
20:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well that's where things get debated.
20:02 nubbins` dub: sure, but the person who wants the kidney goes out and finds one they like.
20:02 dub no
20:02 nubbins` they don't wait for some asshole to come to them
20:02 asciilifeform odd that there is dispute. chinese executions are quite the opposite of secret.
20:02 asciilifeform but perhaps nobody bothers to count
20:03 nubbins` ^
20:03 Mats_cd03 100k is incredibly low for 1.3bln
20:03 dub harvesting facilities are in the jails ffs
20:03 nubbins` sure, but again, that's not sellers seeking buyers
20:03 nubbins` it's the opposite
20:03 nubbins` buyers saying "you. right there."
20:03 dub they have cought murican cosmetics companies red handed buying chinese skin derivatives
20:03 Mats_cd03 define skin derivatives
20:04 nubbins` collagen sausage casings
20:04 dub colagen
20:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the official figure is about 1k ims.
20:05 Mats_cd03 does anyone else hate the tv show suits
20:06 Mats_cd03 ...cause i do
20:06 dub never heard of it
20:06 nubbins` what's a tv show
20:06 ThickAsThieves Mats_cd03 is a lawyer?
20:07 mircea_popescu we're watching tv now ?
20:07 mircea_popescu what is this, the 60s ?
20:07 kakobrekla nope, its the 80s, irc time
20:08 nubbins` http://www.thingcharger.com/
20:08 mircea_popescu if this is the 80s why do i have a beard.
20:08 nubbins` imagine taking a 10" tablet and charging it by balancing it vertically on a male micro-usb jack
20:08 nubbins` ;(
20:09 nubbins` mircea_popescu: because growing a mustache from scratch makes you look unkempt? :D
20:09 Vexual http://www.aliexpress.com/item/GODLIKE-Alternator-diesel-generator/582312172.html
20:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1310005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {2}
20:09 mircea_popescu nubbins` that is exactly the sort of idiocy. it has all the markings.
20:09 mircea_popescu buncha press logos ? as if anyone gives a shit.
20:10 nubbins` right
20:10 mircea_popescu this is billy mays 2015 edition.
20:10 nubbins` "are you tired of not snapping off connectors inside your expensive electronics?"
20:11 KRS- I am going Foo Manchu this month
20:11 asciilifeform this is one of those cases where the lusers will be better off if the vendor takes the money and runs
20:11 nubbins` i want to see five of these things plugged into each other
20:11 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpqiyFPdHZ4
20:11 mircea_popescu at least the guy had a personality.
20:11 nubbins` with five ipads smashed on the floor
20:11 nubbins` "convenient!"
20:11 nubbins` "break all your things at once!"
20:11 KRS- http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-130817123929166/fu-manchu-mustache-1.jpg
20:11 mircea_popescu that thing is actually useful.
20:12 dub there is a retard (ipad) sized 10 key calculator in this room
20:12 mircea_popescu you can make ~ 7lbs of crushed ice / hour with it.
20:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17498 @ 0.00092823 = 16.2422 BTC [-] {2}
20:12 dub I've been hilariously quipping that its more useful than the apple product to all the apple fanboys here
20:12 mircea_popescu lol
20:13 kakobrekla do they still sell quick chop?
20:13 asciilifeform everybody hates apple but nobody lifts a finger to birth a half-decent unix laptop
20:13 nubbins` speaking of mustaches
20:13 nubbins` here's one of my better ones:
20:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ubuntu could have done it
20:14 mircea_popescu but instead they decided to go all doge
20:14 Mats_cd03 asciilifeform: thats because its literally impossible to satisfy nix geeks
20:14 nubbins` http://imgur.com/Nchmysi
20:14 asciilifeform Mats_cd03: all you need is a machine with documented, well-behaved (at least to the desktop standard) components.
20:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so that means no gnome no kde right ?
20:15 dub die antword wannabe
20:15 asciilifeform or, failing that, an os by the same people who bake the hw
20:15 asciilifeform a la Sun Tadpole laptop
20:15 nubbins` dub, this was halloween 2012
20:15 nubbins` only ONE stranger recognized my wife and i
20:15 nubbins` wanted his picture taken ;(
20:15 asciilifeform someone still uses gnome or kde?
20:16 dub pic of her as yolandi plox
20:16 decimation ascii what about novena? http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?tag=novena
20:16 dub points if you wore the dark side of teh moon boxer shorts
20:17 asciilifeform ah yes, the 'junkyard wars' laptop
20:17 decimation LoL yeah it has a few extra features...
20:17 benkay junkyard ware is all we get now asciilifeform
20:17 kakobrekla --
20:17 nubbins` dub, unfortunately only blurry cellphone pictures exist
20:18 benkay this means that people who care about the problem should probably invest some time and intellect into fixing it instead of waiting for a corporate sponsor like BSD does.
20:18 ThickAsThieves for anyone that cares, #opentransactions exists
20:18 decimation the amount of time and intellect required to reinvent the computer with non-crap is literally several lifetimes
20:18 asciilifeform benkay: people who have never been involved in mass-producing hardware are in for some rude surprises
20:19 decimation and it's not profitable, and it's likely you will make many powerful enemies
20:19 asciilifeform decimation: not even talking about re-inventing computing here (that's what my blob is for...) but just a decent unixlike portable
20:19 asciilifeform where, say, 'suspend mode' actually works
20:19 asciilifeform and network card, etc
20:19 asciilifeform *blog
20:19 decimation oh that's a more reasonable goal. yeah you aren't going to convince the junk peddlers that it's worth their time
20:20 benkay well look asciilifeform there's digikey, there's a 3d printer, and there's a mess of hardware out there. nobody's going to mass-produce a *nix laptop but Apple, and we can't use theirs. the solution is to cobble our own together.
20:20 nubbins` blob
20:20 asciilifeform you use a kbd with 3d-printed keys, i'll pass.
20:20 nubbins` you can't use theirs?
20:20 asciilifeform the keyboard is one of the first mass hardware items to go to shit
20:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [-]
20:21 asciilifeform '90s laptops still had more-or-less usable ones
20:21 decimation what I find interesting is the "market dynamics" of the iphone/ipad vs. android alternatives
20:21 asciilifeform no such luck now
20:21 nubbins` my mother wears the letters off her keys within ~4 months
20:22 benkay so what's a more tractable problem: supplying high-quality keyboards for shitty cobbled together laptops, or producing entire chassis?
20:22 decimation before the apple junk dominated, there was actually some differentiation in the marketplace amoung android devices
20:22 decimation now everyone makes iphone clones
20:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
20:22 asciilifeform on old (proper) keyboards, the letters physically cannot come off (they're injection molded, the bottom of the key is black) they just get fatter over time.
20:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do people use these days ?
20:22 asciilifeform 'geological' time.
20:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most recent portables have 'apple' style 'dollar store calculator' keyboards.
20:23 nubbins` apple keyboards are a joy
20:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]
20:23 asciilifeform on cheap keyboards (all of them, today) the letters are silkscreened on.
20:23 decimation I love my old hp-48 chicklet syle keyboard. I wish someone would bring that back on a portable device
20:24 asciilifeform i, for instance, would like an aluminum (or hell, if we're dreaming, titanium) kbd and chassis
20:24 asciilifeform but this is not how mass industry works
20:24 mircea_popescu mircea_popescu i mean re gnome/kde
20:25 KRS- kde ftw
20:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can't speak for others, but i'm partial to http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
20:25 mircea_popescu but we WERE speaking of others.
20:25 mircea_popescu thought we were discussing mass mkt.
20:25 KRS- reminds me of metro-x
20:25 dub xfce4yfe
20:26 KRS- dub: u are a sick man
20:26 nubbins` if it's just the chassis holding you back, get one machined
20:26 asciilifeform linux noobs are using various graphics-candy oddities, some probably based on gnome/kde, yes
20:27 asciilifeform nubbins`: i prefer pigs without lipstick, and turds unpolished
20:27 KRS- damn geeks took over market topic
20:27 decimation the portable device mass market is full of different manufacturers, yet they all produce very similar knockoffs of the same design
20:27 KRS- CDE reminds me of my Sun desktop days
20:27 decimation what could drive such risk-adverse behaviours amoung the executive suites of those companies?
20:27 asciilifeform decimation: and with virtually-identical internals
20:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [-]
20:27 decimation what happens to the guy who suggests: why not try something other than an iphone clone (for instance)
20:28 decimation I think you have a blog post about how the world is damned to repeat Job's mistakes
20:28 dub asciilifeform: tmux?
20:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
20:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't a laptop by its definition ALREADY an oddity ?
20:28 mircea_popescu who the fuck wants to hunch over a ball cooker ?
20:29 mircea_popescu i mean i get it, executive assistant chicks with 4 feet worth of leg.
20:29 nubbins` heh
20:29 nubbins` almost googled "ball cooker"
20:29 mircea_popescu nubbins` laptops aren't for men. srsly. it
20:29 mircea_popescu s like the cs equivalent of a dildo.
20:30 nubbins` "laptop" is a misnomer
20:30 nubbins` for example, mine's on a table
20:30 decimation yeah here's your post on the topic, if you forgive me http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
20:30 nubbins` if you're going by what lazy slobs do, you could call all kinds of things laptops
20:30 nubbins` large bag of chips? laptop
20:30 nubbins` nintendo controller? laptop
20:30 Vexual hooker? laptop
20:30 nubbins` ^
20:30 nubbins` etc, etc
20:31 Vexual you can put it on a desk but you dont have to
20:31 nubbins` cat? laptop
20:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00092744 = 47.4849 BTC [-] {4}
20:31 mircea_popescu nubbins` suppose tomorrow I decide i want a diff video card.
20:31 mircea_popescu da fuck do you do with the laptop ?
20:32 Vexual tol up your chinese factoryies to make mini pcie stuff
20:32 nubbins` suppose tomorrow you want rack and pinion steering on your motorcycle.
20:32 decimation I guess that the serious lack of non-Apple competition for well-designed hardware (ie, not just Apple clones) is proof that no major electronics manufacturer is well managed
20:33 nubbins` decimation, it's more that there isn't a market for well-designed hardware.
20:33 decimation bah. jobs created a market
20:33 nubbins` sure he did
20:34 nubbins` is there room for two homemade fudge stands at the farmer's market?
20:34 mircea_popescu decimation perhaps it's proof that apple hardware is not well designed.
20:34 nubbins` heh
20:34 decimation heh that's also possible
20:34 nubbins` there's that, too
20:34 nubbins` for example, look at those time capsule things
20:34 mircea_popescu would you say the lack of coca-cola competition for healthy fizz drinks proves no major pharma company is well managed ?
20:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [-]
20:35 decimation either they are not well managed or the zombie hordes in the US would prefer not to think
20:35 nubbins` anyway, apple hardware is well-designed visually, sure
20:35 mircea_popescu decimation apple has unmatched strengths in marketing and advertising
20:36 nubbins` i was about to say "but it's not like they're fabbing custom chips"
20:36 decimation they used to be a joke back in the clone days
20:36 mircea_popescu this is strictly because apple had at the helm for a decade+ a person who actually understood how worthless advertising is, and just told the horde to get fucked
20:36 Vexual they worked out to patent connectors
20:36 mircea_popescu if you only buy +ev packages for 10 years and have the bankroll to buy anything, eventually you end up king of the hill
20:36 mircea_popescu which indeed they are
20:36 mircea_popescu think about this : all OTHER mass market folks need to PAY celebs and producers to get product placement
20:37 mircea_popescu apple gets this the other way around : the SHOW itself wants to gain value from the association.
20:37 mircea_popescu that's all it is.
20:37 mircea_popescu no design involved.
20:37 decimation but how do you create stuff people want? I submit (like ascii) that it can only the product of one mind who has the power to dictate the result
20:38 Vexual :usb
20:38 nubbins` decimation: you convince people that they want it.
20:38 nubbins` aren't you listening? D:
20:38 mircea_popescu to create product you can sell in the 1990s us, you create something that people CAN IDENTIFY and push their want buttons. is all.
20:38 mircea_popescu they don't have to want anything.
20:38 mircea_popescu what you take for "good engineering" is really just what nintendo was trying to do with the "game cube".
20:38 mircea_popescu ie, it's a cube. basic geometric shape. "herp derp i can recognise this in my surroundings"
20:39 Vexual works in micro tatami
20:39 mircea_popescu it's more important that they were all black
20:40 decimation So your goal, as a businessman, is to get the big dumb blob of the population to be able to recognize your widget
20:40 mircea_popescu than absolutely any actual design decision involved.
20:40 decimation everything else will follow?
20:40 mircea_popescu decimation well, don' go fighting the war of the past.
20:40 mircea_popescu the 1990 us (lots of people with lots of welfare money to throw around) is not coming back. ever.
20:40 decimation that's true. it was a unique time
20:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00092408 = 11.4586 BTC [-] {2}
20:41 mircea_popescu you can feel it, in retrospect. all this govt money everyone had... greatest party of all time.
20:41 mircea_popescu party's over, but yeah, that one chick with nice tits that took her top off... what a hoot.
20:41 Namworld Time to clean up now
20:41 mircea_popescu what was her name, peaches, rosy, eve ? something with apple in it maybe.
20:41 decimation Perhaps the 1960's-90's will be regarded as the peak of "us civilization"
20:42 mircea_popescu the peak of us civilisation was the golden generation
20:42 mircea_popescu not yet matched, and no more time.
20:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19911 @ 0.00092175 = 18.353 BTC [-] {2}
20:43 mircea_popescu s/gilded/golden
20:44 mircea_popescu i guess i went a little circular there lol
20:44 nubbins` life's like that
20:45 decimation I was a little confused. In the us, this is a forgotten part of our history in the popular mind
20:45 mircea_popescu yeah, well. the people whose retarded children followed lincoln in his nazi adventure.
20:46 asciilifeform re: 'what market wants':
20:46 asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3071492123502329@naggum.no.html
20:46 mircea_popescu it'd have blossomed again, im sure, but europe bleed it twice in 50 years
20:46 mircea_popescu and then... here we are.
20:46 asciilifeform 'do Americans want three-ring binders,
20:46 asciilifeform and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever
20:46 asciilifeform number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help
20:46 asciilifeform them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they
20:46 asciilifeform really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of
20:46 asciilifeform the information they receive?'
20:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed.
20:47 decimation Indeed, what is interesting is that how little of the communism that had taken over Europe in the late 1800's had actually affected America
20:48 mircea_popescu the us was quite healthy yet, even in 1880.
20:48 mircea_popescu course... you're quite healthy "yet" the day after you've fucked all the girls at the pit stop too.
20:48 decimation I mean, the election of 1886 was about whether there should be a silver or gold standard - and the gold won!
20:48 Vexual maybemoreso than 110 y later
20:49 Mats_cd03 is there more silver or gold in existence
20:49 Vexual silver
20:49 decimation silver (on planet earth)
20:49 Vexual tin
20:50 decimation that's why the democrats wanted to adopt the silver standard - it would be extremely beneficial to the "little people" - debtors all over the midwest
20:50 asciilifeform sad fact is, if you want, for one reason or another, a portable unix box with a metal chassis and working suspend mode & peripherals, you're stuck with apple.
20:50 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 about 100x more silver.
20:50 mircea_popescu decimation planet earth is not really far off the universal average is it ?
20:50 decimation I donno, i'm just being pedantic
20:51 mircea_popescu i vaguely remember that earth is actually "reasonably" representative of the actual unviersal distribution of elements.
20:51 decimation ascii I want something that has a reasonable off-line backup system that will restore from an external drive, like time machine
20:51 asciilifeform decimation: what's wrong with dd=/dev/yerdisk of=/mnt/somewhere
20:52 mircea_popescu Vexual actually, on earth iron and nickel are, not tin.
20:52 Vexual reasonable meaning that we are here and can see about 100 meteres across the shere of earth if it were the universe
20:52 mircea_popescu they're nuclear ends.
20:52 decimation well, that's fine if you want to ensure your system isn't modifying files while you write the clone?
20:52 Vexual exactly not elemantal
20:53 mircea_popescu i suppose you acquire all kernel locks
20:53 mircea_popescu OVER 9000
20:53 asciilifeform if you don't feel like taking the box down, there are clever ways
20:53 KRS- Anyone going to the Berlin Bitcoin conference, PM me for 20% discount code.
20:53 Vexual how much is a ticket?
20:54 KRS- idk
20:54 nubbins` did i tell you guys about the coworker i had who used time machine for version control?
20:54 decimation Perhaps it would be integrated into your suspend feature :)
20:54 nubbins` "i don't like svn", he said
20:54 decimation seems reasonable <sarcasm>
20:54 nubbins` he never fucked anything up
20:54 KRS- If anyone is lending on BFX I could use some swap for almost 600 LTC.
20:54 KRS- ;;seen sturles
20:54 gribble sturles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <sturles> I've upgraded my clients to latest git. Not forwarding or mining silly dust spam any more.
20:54 KRS- fawk
20:55 decimation well ascii, part of the problem with your lack of unix laptop is that there aren't any unix hardware manufacturers anymore
20:55 decimation does oracle still make servers?
20:56 asciilifeform this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw
20:56 nubbins` does oracle still anymore?
20:57 decimation yeah, laptops are going to require some level of hardware/firmware/driver integration
20:57 benkay ;;calc 0.8*24*365
20:57 gribble 7008
20:57 nubbins` decimation: how about HP :)
20:57 decimation it seems there would be a market for a "rhel laptop" like the tadpole was for sun though
20:57 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw <<< shit, laptops just got killed.
20:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58996875 BTC [+]
20:59 asciilifeform to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war
20:59 decimation HP was killed by idiots who were drunk at the party in the 90's MP mentions
20:59 nubbins` well y'know.
20:59 asciilifeform (even if this is approximately true, the devil lies in the remaining cases)
20:59 nubbins` did they EVER have a "unix laptop"?
20:59 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadpole_Computer
21:00 nubbins` did ibm have AIX laptops, did sgi have IRIX laptops, etc
21:00 Mats_cd03 chromebooks are about as good as its going to get imo
21:00 asciilifeform if i recall, there was even an Alpha laptop once.
21:00 nubbins` i'm not so sure this "unix laptop" thing ever existed, aside from a few isolated instances
21:00 nubbins` Mats_cd03, chromebooks are essentially dumb terminals
21:00 Mats_cd03 ya i know
21:01 asciilifeform nubbins`: chromebook can be diddled into some semblance of general-purpose usefulness, with some sweat
21:01 Vexual whats wrong with a raspi in a lunchbox?
21:01 Mats_cd03 fuck me but i actually like that
21:01 asciilifeform (zap the google crap)
21:01 benkay ;;calc 0.8*24*30
21:01 gribble 576
21:01 asciilifeform Vexual: keyboard, battery, display
21:01 nubbins` asciilifeform: so can an OLPC ;p
21:01 Mats_cd03 im at the stage where i know a lot about netsec but very little about practical mitigation of threats
21:01 Vexual i thought thats what all the kids had now
21:01 Mats_cd03 so having a chromebook to do things that might be sensitive is great
21:01 Vexual build the rest with arundio
21:02 decimation well, if you want to DIY laptop you might as well join up with bunnie, at least he is going with open/auditable firmware
21:02 Mats_cd03 if i'm really, really worried about getting pwned i guess i could use a raspi with a usb drive to bridge the air gap
21:02 asciilifeform Vexual: if your idea of a portable computer is a briefcase with a tv and raspi, more power to you
21:02 decimation although that doesn't detect chip fiddling
21:03 Vexual im happy with my 701
21:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.0059432 = 0.1367 BTC [-]
21:03 asciilifeform ibm 701C? the one with the folding kbd?
21:03 asciilifeform 486?
21:03 Mats_cd03 im sure it exists but i havent seen malware that targets both armv6
21:03 decimation except your "raspi" is closed hardware with binary blob fimrware
21:03 Mats_cd03 and x86-64
21:03 asciilifeform gets better
21:03 asciilifeform raspi cpu has a whole separate core
21:04 nubbins` wait, so now we're looking for a laptop with all open hardware?
21:04 nubbins` jeez
21:04 asciilifeform running a weird undocumented instr set (!) blob at all times
21:04 decimation well it was probably meant for phones/tablets to run the RF stuff
21:04 nubbins` just call up that company whose laptops RMS uses
21:04 asciilifeform it's like someone held a contest, 'make something even more dubious than an intel box'
21:04 nubbins` and ask them to do a bespoke one for ya
21:04 Vexual asccilifeform: eeepc
21:05 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war << this is facually true
21:05 decimation I donno, qualcomm is probably more scummy than intel
21:05 asciilifeform bought an 'eeepc' once, threw it out in disgust
21:05 mircea_popescu you ever seen anyone with a .38 ?
21:05 nubbins` hm, this tadpole used openvms?
21:05 nubbins` :(
21:05 Mats_cd03 i used to own a S&W revolver what about it
21:06 decimation here you go, a history of sparc portables http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/portable10.html
21:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for some reason no one is in a hurry to dispense with man-portable arms
21:06 mircea_popescu did you win any wars with it Mats_cd03 ?
21:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform man portable != woman portable.
21:06 mircea_popescu i can carry my mothrfucking crt.
21:06 nubbins` afaik they give pistols to suspected heroes
21:06 asciilifeform the 'two airplanes' theorem applies
21:06 nubbins` so they can drunkenly stagger towards enemy snipers firing shots
21:06 Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: nah i never fired it, it was an antique i saved for home defense
21:06 nubbins` while they bleed out
21:07 asciilifeform 'what can two planes do, that no single plane, regardless of cost, can do? be in two places.'
21:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you shooting a .38 in each hand > me with my .5 DE ?
21:07 mircea_popescu there is an absolute limit to the smallest firearm usable on a battlefield. so in computing. the laptop is below that limit.
21:07 asciilifeform but note that DE, rather than Maxim
21:07 Mats_cd03 only if you turn both pistols sideways
21:08 asciilifeform because you'd still like to move around with it
21:08 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 and spin while screaming.
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21:08 Mats_cd03 you'd kill 6 whole gangsters, i seen it
21:08 mircea_popescu i saw that movie too!
21:08 mircea_popescu i think that's how they started calling them "molls"
21:08 Mats_cd03 now that we're talking about firearms
21:09 Mats_cd03 i want to tell all of you that live in murica to buy an antique handgun
21:09 Mats_cd03 no need to register it if you leave it at home
21:09 nubbins` i'm not so sure that "computing" is a battlefield
21:09 nubbins` handguns work fine for domestic disputes
21:09 nubbins` bar fights, even
21:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you do have a good point there in principle, but im not so sure the laptop resolves the movement problem.
21:09 Mats_cd03 9/10 on scale of intimidating crackheads and drunks off your property
21:10 asciilifeform Mats_cd03: afaik, in most u.s. states nobody has to register anything short of machine gun
21:10 Vexual flingin crts with one hand workls too
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21:10 nubbins` haha ^
21:10 Mats_cd03 i live in the union so theres lots of regs everywhere
21:11 Mats_cd03 i rented an AR-15 once in san diego
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21:11 Mats_cd03 theres this regulation that assault weapons have to be sold with this special magazine release
21:11 Mats_cd03 so you end up using a fucking pen to pop your 10 round mag out
21:11 Mats_cd03 mindfuckery
21:12 asciilifeform Mats_cd03: used to be that you could pop those open with an unspent round, but the regulations were changed, if i recall
21:12 Mats_cd03 its like this
21:13 decimation I think the new thing is that the next magazine has a key to pop off the last one
21:13 Mats_cd03 if i'm going to shoot up a mall i'm going to find the biggest magazine i can find, prob 40 rounds, and then i'm going to get a weapon that takes less than 5 seconds to reload
21:14 Mats_cd03 some regulations about a 10 round magazine and mag release fuckery ain't gonna stop that
21:14 Vexual regulations changed in australia, now we have more unlicensed guns than the bad parts of la
21:14 asciilifeform i still don't get the preoccupation with 'postals.' biggest postal body count to date still belongs to the fellow with the jerry can
21:14 asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire
21:14 ozbot Happy Land fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:15 Vexual everyone handed in their crts tho
21:15 asciilifeform CRT banned in australia?!
21:15 decimation http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/12/san-francisco-targets-repair-kits-that-s
21:16 ozbot San Francisco Targets 'Repair Kits' That Skirt California's Gun Magazine Limit - Hit & Run : Reason.
21:16 decimation PLEASE NOTE: CA-Legal Magazine Repair / Rebuild Kits are to be used to 1) repair or rebuild your existing legally owned high capacity magazines or 2) permanently block to 10 rounds or 3) store in a disassembled condition for use outside of California. They are not intended for reassembly into new high capacity magazines, which would be a felony under California law.
21:16 decimation LOL
21:17 Vexual asciilifeform: supercession seems to work better
21:17 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/
21:17 ozbot BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
21:17 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^
21:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.002984 = 0.4386 BTC [+]
21:17 benkay wow a significant month for bitbet without significant donations
21:17 benkay bitbet not scam?
21:18 asciilifeform decimation: these folks will probably end in the gasenwagen. see the infamous 'shoelace machine gun' precedent.
21:18 mircea_popescu benkay it's still a scam, but this month more quoting wikipedia less quoting trilema
21:19 decimation the list of unapproved submissions is likely hilarious
21:19 asciilifeform during 'prohibition', there were folks who sold stills in parts, with detailed instructions for 'what not do to' with them
21:19 nubbins` "Upon further review, we have determined that the string by itself is not a machinegun"
21:19 nubbins` lelel
21:19 asciilifeform this doesn't fly today
21:20 decimation lol the shoestring
21:20 mircea_popescu González was charged with 174 counts of murder—- two for each victim—- and was found guilty on 87 counts of arson and 87 counts of murder on August 19, 1991. For each count he received the sentence maximum of 25 years to life (a total of 4,350 years). It was the most substantial prison term ever imposed in the state of New York
21:20 decimation how can the guy who signed that letter face himself in the mirror
21:20 mircea_popescu this "counts" bs the us does still boggles.
21:20 mircea_popescu he did ONE thing.
21:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14963 @ 0.00092083 = 13.7784 BTC [-] {2}
21:20 asciilifeform the string was acquitted, but woe be unto anyone caught with an original 'ak' sear
21:20 mircea_popescu there can't be "counts"
21:21 Mats_cd03 is there context for the photo on trilema
21:21 nubbins` mircea_popescu: unfortunately there's no separate crime for "killing 87 people"
21:22 nubbins` and what sort of justice equates the killing of one with the killing of dozens?!
21:22 Mats_cd03 ive spent five minutes now just examining the man's beard and the other guy's arm hair
21:22 mircea_popescu nubbins` it's killing.
21:22 decimation why not just convict on one "count" then, and if you want him to suffer more, convict him of the next?
21:22 Mats_cd03 nubbins`: judaism?
21:22 mircea_popescu there is a crime of "murder"
21:22 nubbins` sure, yes.
21:22 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 which one ?
21:22 nubbins` and he committed the crime 87 times, they say
21:22 Mats_cd03 at the top
21:22 mircea_popescu o, the header ? me with some local kids in a bar
21:23 Vexual did you win?
21:23 asciilifeform they're stuck with the monotony of allowed punishments
21:23 mircea_popescu counting fiat.
21:23 mircea_popescu nubbins` you can't commit the crime x times, unless you do x things.
21:23 asciilifeform in the old days, you could have your breaking on the wheel 'commuted' to mere beheading, if there were 'extenuating circumstances'
21:23 mircea_popescu he did one thing. it's one crime.
21:23 nubbins` sure, but if i go to a pizza place and eat a full pizza, do i get charged for one slice?
21:24 mircea_popescu Vexual yeah.
21:24 nubbins` i only ate one meal
21:24 Mats_cd03 i propose a new system of justice
21:24 decimation public hangings ought to be mandatory viewing for the entire population
21:24 mircea_popescu nubbins` what is this, the market ?
21:24 nubbins` for our purposes, sure
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21:24 mircea_popescu nope. if eating is punished, you ate, you get punished.
21:24 mircea_popescu if you eat twice, maybe you're punished twice.
21:24 asciilifeform decimation: public hangings were, afaik, always and unambiguously 'cash-positive' and in-demand
21:24 nubbins` okay, so i left my wallet at home
21:24 Mats_cd03 convicted felons will now scrape gum off sidewalks
21:24 mircea_popescu but if you ate once you don't get "one count of eating an olive, another count of eating another olive" bs.
21:25 mircea_popescu and besides, they run concurrently anyway.
21:25 nubbins` do i have to wash the same number of dishes as the guy who only ate half a pizza?
21:25 Mats_cd03 that might keep lifers busy
21:25 mircea_popescu 43985734987984357 counts of 5 minutes = 5 minutes in jail.
21:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: u.s. judges can select concurrent vs. consecutive
21:25 mircea_popescu only cause teh us is completely in wtf mode.
21:26 Vexual no
21:26 mircea_popescu i'm in jail, i'm in jail. it applies to all possible reasons i might be in jail.
21:26 mircea_popescu there's not a "now for x, tomorrow for y" bs.
21:26 nubbins` mircea_popescu: same punishment for striking one person with your car vs driving through a crowd, mowing down dozens?
21:26 mircea_popescu nubbins` yup.
21:26 mircea_popescu unless there's a special law for 3 people, murder is murder.
21:26 nubbins` don't you suppose that would encourage people to just keep on driving after they've struck someone?
21:27 nubbins` "fuck it, i never liked bill"
21:27 mircea_popescu it can be manslaughter or aggravated murder, but it is an offence.
21:27 asciilifeform 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'
21:27 mircea_popescu nubbins` do you suppose the 4955th year discourages anyone ?
21:27 nubbins` "actually this whole town is full of nerds"
21:27 nubbins` mircea_popescu: i don't suppose the punishment discourages anyone who commits an offence
21:27 nubbins` by definition, it hasn't
21:27 mircea_popescu "dude, 2500s i don't care about so much but i gotta see superbowl #1955"
21:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'geological time' sentences, if i recall, serve a mundane bureaucratic purpose
21:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda what i'm pointing out here. it makes a laughingstock of the process.
21:28 asciilifeform they eliminate parole in jurisdictions where the judge cannot (or for political/historical reasons) won't do so.
21:28 nubbins` asciilifeform: prisons get paid in advance? ;p
21:28 asciilifeform 'yer paroled but got 3000 yrs to go'
21:28 mircea_popescu i don't dispute the system works.
21:28 asciilifeform '1000 off for good behaviour'
21:28 mircea_popescu i affirm the system is fucking microsoft windows.
21:28 asciilifeform that, it is.
21:28 Mats_cd03 the process has always been a laughing stock, we just invented the internet recently and tell each other about it
21:28 mircea_popescu all i'm sayin'.
21:29 asciilifeform for that matter,winblows itself is a good cultural portrait of the civilization that shat it forth
21:29 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 the civil law is actually a lot saner
21:29 nubbins` so i come home to find my wife in bed with another man
21:29 mircea_popescu until you get to business and commercial matters.
21:29 nubbins` shoot one of them
21:29 mircea_popescu then... forget it.
21:29 nubbins` i might as well just shoot the other one, and my daughter too?
21:29 Mats_cd03 it has been an adversarial judicial system its entire existence...scalia agrees on this account
21:29 nubbins` MAKES SENSE
21:29 mircea_popescu nubbins` fun fact : guy did this in timisoara ~5 years ago. he was acquited.
21:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13945 @ 0.0009292 = 12.9577 BTC [+]
21:29 Vexual get a new woman and stay free
21:30 Mats_cd03 i mean fuck they're pitting lawyers against each other, someone is going to get fucked and its not the prosecution
21:30 nubbins` Mats_cd03: sometimes the prosecution gets fucked, but they don't really have to pay the bill when it comes
21:31 decimation why is it considered horrific to broadcast hangings in the US, but not horrific to broadcast "fiction" featuring people murdering regularly?
21:31 mircea_popescu decimation why is it considered horrific to show kids nipples
21:31 Mats_cd03 cause its not, like, real, dude
21:31 mircea_popescu is what i want to know.
21:31 asciilifeform decimation: it's worth your time to read about how and why public hangings went away
21:31 asciilifeform it was 'moralists.' too much fun
21:31 decimation yeah do you have sources
21:32 decimation We can build a kingdom of God on earth, if we just pile up enough chairs...
21:32 asciilifeform 'Edison and the Electric Chair', Mark Essig
21:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform was it because hangings got too close to masturbation for the victim ?
21:33 mircea_popescu U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised.
21:33 mircea_popescu http://freebeacon.com/the-belarusian-connection/
21:33 ozbot The Belarusian Connection | Washington Free Beacon
21:33 asciilifeform hangings in the 19th c. were apparently quite stimulating to the audience.
21:33 nubbins` asciilifeform, gore is essentially porno
21:33 nubbins` belarus, they make nice coins
21:34 decimation Belarussian hackers probably have unique insight in how to create proper communism
21:34 asciilifeform no gore as such, even. never having attended a hanging, i've no idea why the audience creams its pants along with the fellow dancing the hempen jig
21:34 mircea_popescu belarus is like.... putin's canada.
21:34 asciilifeform but there it was.
21:35 nubbins` well sure, but a technicality
21:35 nubbins` humans get off on vulnerability
21:35 nubbins` this is why they enjoy humiliation, torture, gore, etc as well as sex
21:36 nubbins` and why all those things have a habit of getting tangled up with each other occasionally
21:36 asciilifeform nubbins`: this would explain the fact that everybody loved a good impalement, etc. in times gone by. but hanging? seems boring.
21:36 nubbins` nod
21:36 mircea_popescu http://hosted.ap.org/photos/D/d728d07d-87f7-4b85-baf6-7540d3a22af6-big.jpg < exactly what it says on the tin
21:36 nubbins` it's a power thing
21:37 nubbins` consider the age of 1-900 sex chat
21:37 nubbins` nothing to even look at
21:38 nubbins` countless buckets of cum
21:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00092959 = 31.8849 BTC [+] {2}
21:39 nubbins` or a room full of dudebros swapping stories of tricking women into having sex or beating up nerds
21:39 mircea_popescu wait what ?
21:39 nubbins` vulnerability
21:40 nubbins` even thinking about it gets people riled up
21:40 nubbins` doesn't even need to be witnessed
21:40 nubbins` the wetness of an impaling is just icing on the cake
21:40 nubbins` a hanging will do just fine
21:41 nubbins` and in a pinch, a recollection of the hanging
21:41 mircea_popescu so why'd spanking go out of fashion ?
21:41 nubbins` it didn't
21:41 nubbins` do you even pornography?
21:42 mircea_popescu so when's the last time you gave the missus a good spanking ?
21:43 mircea_popescu plan on doing her children weekly or anything ?
21:43 nubbins` i'm not saying everyone in the town was jacking off at the gallows
21:44 nubbins` nor is every man a steroid-riddled ape shouting "HURRR" and slapping a woman's ass purple
21:45 nubbins` just that these are common enough things that share a common characteristic
21:45 mircea_popescu so the proposition here is that the same process took out hangings and spankings ?
21:45 nubbins` no, that the same process made them popular in the first place.
21:45 nubbins` propriety brought both out of the public eye
21:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0059432 = 0.1486 BTC [-]
21:45 mircea_popescu as a non-steroid riddled non-ape that has slapped bucnhes of butts purple i tell you i see no appeal in hangings at all.
21:46 nubbins` sure, and some who eat beef don't eat pork
21:46 nubbins` some men prefer blondes
21:46 nubbins` etc
21:46 mircea_popescu but... pork and beef are still eaten
21:46 nubbins` and people are still executed
21:46 mircea_popescu some who care for antique vases don't care for antique knives ?
21:46 Vexual and the whisky is arely in another castle
21:47 nubbins` mircea_popescu: sure, and the same attraction to items from a time past is what brings people to collect both
21:48 mircea_popescu maybe there's something here but perhaps too complicated to easily detach
21:48 nubbins` this all stems from a quip, really
21:49 nubbins` consider another angle: humans are driven to have sex because of sexual urges. doesn't mean all humans want to have sex with both genders
21:49 nubbins` some prefer one, some the other, some both. but the motivation stems from the same source
21:49 mircea_popescu which quip, the vulnerability ?
21:49 mircea_popescu afaik women kinda throw up at it.
21:49 nubbins` "gore is basically porno"
21:50 mircea_popescu a, a. they're both taboo transgressive, but i doubt they're the same thing really.
21:50 nubbins` sure, a stretch
21:50 mircea_popescu the hunter enjoys seeing gazelles gutted and females fucked.
21:50 nubbins` but the common taboo is vulnerability
21:50 mircea_popescu doesn't actually mean either women are goats or fucking is gutting, i dun think
21:51 nubbins` point i was making, i guess, is of course people jacked off at hangings
21:51 Vexual it might mean you can't shoot a dove if it's nesting
21:51 mircea_popescu how is vulnerability a taboo ?
21:51 nubbins` i'm sure there were people jacking off in the theatre when you saw "consent" or w/e it's called
21:51 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you should hire Vexual to do atc shilling i tell you.
21:52 Vexual incase some brave housecat is deprived of duck milk?
21:52 nubbins` the vulnerability itself isn't a taboo
21:52 nubbins` the arousal from it is
21:52 nubbins` guilty pleasure
21:53 nubbins` "i'd sure hate for that to happen to me" as one gleefully watches
21:53 nubbins` not too gleefully, though
21:53 mircea_popescu nubbins` http://trilema.com/2010/imaginarium/ that's how a theatre looks when i go.
21:53 nubbins` looks like a lecture hall
21:54 nubbins` ^ disregard, that was a useless statement
21:54 mircea_popescu it's actually an old style cinema. built in the 70s, like 1100 places
21:54 Vexual they you have some balkan craftsmen alter the stage
21:55 nubbins` you really did have a lot more comments when you posted in romanian, huh
21:55 mircea_popescu nubbins` about 90k over ~3-4 years, 20 a day or something
21:56 mircea_popescu romanians still comment and so on, the english speaker is pretty blaze.
21:56 mircea_popescu i doubt people comment once per 100 articles they read.
21:57 nubbins` in the english-speaking world, website comments are generally considered to be the lowest form of discourse
21:57 mircea_popescu kinda silly, at least on trilema. but hey.
21:57 nubbins` just below bathroom graffiti
21:57 Vexual romania was catapaulted out of opression with the internet
21:57 mircea_popescu i blame disqus and google for it tbh
21:57 nubbins` someone showed me a picture of a bathroom with "dick surgery or die" written on the wall
21:58 nubbins` recognized the bathroom, to this day have not found the writing
21:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00093059 = 8.0961 BTC [+] {2}
21:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1839 @ 0.00010514 = 0.1934 BTC [-] {17}
21:58 nubbins` mircea_popescu: i blame news websites
21:58 mircea_popescu no, because those exist in romanian too and they're just as dumpster-y.
21:59 nubbins` they're great if you want to know what idiots and bigots think on a given topic
21:59 Vexual id be scared shitless if i read that in lumberjack country
22:00 Vexual if i ever go to canadia im shitting in the snow
22:00 nubbins` you know we have toilets here
22:00 nubbins` real ones
22:00 Vexual as in not truck stops?
22:01 ThickAsThieves i always thought maybe people like horror and spanking and sci fi and apocalypse because of depravation from survivalistic lifestyle or something
22:01 nubbins` truck stops, we have
22:01 ThickAsThieves hunter with no need to hunt
22:01 nubbins` no squatter toilets tho
22:01 mircea_popescu you mean deprivation or depravity ?
22:01 ThickAsThieves deprivation, sry
22:02 ThickAsThieves hunter with no need to hunt, caregiver with nothing to care about
22:02 nubbins` popularity of disaster/apocalypse stuff is more a product of the times
22:02 ThickAsThieves smack, horror, boom
22:02 Vexual gonna happen more when a human can't find a square mile to themselves
22:03 nubbins` but sure, thrills are thrilling for those who don't get thrilled much
22:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04775001 = 0.2388 BTC [-]
22:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0473 = 0.2365 BTC [-] {2}
22:04 Vexual waking up is a trhill for me
22:04 nubbins` not me
22:04 Vexual fuck mano -10 would take my breath away
22:05 nubbins` it's fine if you're dressed for it!
22:05 nubbins` Canada Goose parkas are really popular here the past few years
22:05 Vexual breathing it in would be like a menthos marbolro
22:05 Vexual except herero
22:05 nubbins` not because they're necessary (srsly, an expedition parka at this latitude?)
22:05 mod6 dealt with -20 (or worse) all January.
22:06 nubbins` but because famous people wear them when visiting canada
22:06 Mats_cd03 why the fuck does FX show archer at 3AM EST
22:06 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4913471#msg4913471
22:07 ozbot [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?
22:07 mircea_popescu check this shit out.
22:07 Mats_cd03 praise to ozbot
22:07 mircea_popescu mpex will cease to exist because some pick up artist said things at some conference.
22:07 nubbins` heh
22:07 ThickAsThieves okay i watched the video
22:07 mircea_popescu he doesn't know about how mpex ceased to exist in 2012 because nefario said things at another conference.
22:07 nubbins` well it totally happ... wait
22:07 Vexual did he stutter?
22:07 ThickAsThieves and it doesnt add up
22:07 mircea_popescu and at least at THAT one even rms showed up
22:08 ThickAsThieves Open Transactions is, from what i can tell, a server-distributed ledger, based on last signed & verified receipt
22:08 mircea_popescu i look forward to anon forum derps explaining how mpex will sitll be ceasing to exist in 2025
22:08 mircea_popescu because some yet another social media nobody is saying things.
22:08 mircea_popescu saying dude. if only i knew saying is what makes this world run.
22:08 mircea_popescu fml.
22:09 Mats_cd03 .bait
22:09 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/2767062f8f65aa6490cddb837f564c1b/tumblr_mxk6tlh7IF1qauqewo1_1280.jpg
22:09 Vexual mp are you jimmothy?
22:09 Mats_cd03 .bait
22:09 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/7014f560e1462b9e1f20716f574d5b26/tumblr_mx74vfbwls1srp1r8o1_1280.jpg
22:09 Mats_cd03 mp is every poster in that thread
22:10 Vexual i wonder if i could melt jimmothy
22:10 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 dude stop ruining my well laid out plans.
22:10 Vexual six years of sloths suck oughtta do it
22:11 Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: well... youre not OP right? that would be a master stroke
22:11 mircea_popescu open penis ?
22:12 ThickAsThieves closed heart
22:12 mircea_popescu lol
22:12 Mats_cd03 google search for "years of sloths" yields 2 results
22:12 Mats_cd03 what the fuck does that mean
22:12 mircea_popescu but it is kind-of funny that people with a clue suspect me of actually sockpuppeting as "mah enemies" on various sm sites.
22:12 nubbins` op/ch
22:13 mircea_popescu if those dorks knew that they're in fact working for me for free they'd prolly have a 2nd aneurism
22:13 nubbins` i lel'd
22:13 Vexual its kinda funny that people with a clue think i have a clue
22:13 ThickAsThieves seems they dont know even when you tell them, so youre okay
22:14 Mats_cd03 the trick is to fake it until your fist is in their colon
22:14 mircea_popescu recall that guy snackman ? "o, bitbet is screwed, i will spend a month saying bad things EVERYWHERE, like on places that matter such as reddit"
22:14 Vexual that never works mat
22:14 Mats_cd03 then they're your sockpuppet... colon puppet... sort of
22:14 mircea_popescu suckpuppet ?
22:14 mircea_popescu there's like... sock puppets, when you make the account and use it to further your interests
22:15 mircea_popescu then there's suckpuppets, when random derps make the account to spite you
22:15 Mats_cd03 suckpuppet might work, although that just made me recall the auditory sound of a fist leaving an asshole
22:15 mircea_popescu and end up helping involuntarily.
22:15 nubbins` ah, i just got reminded of eskimobob
22:15 mircea_popescu well that'd be an adequate fx.
22:15 Vexual by jimmothy nubs?
22:15 Mats_cd03 slurrrrrp
22:15 Mats_cd03 is the sound that would make
22:15 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 no it's more like a slpop
22:16 Mats_cd03 i havent seen enough fisting videos to refute your claim
22:16 Mats_cd03 you win
22:16 nubbins` Vexual, his name was brought up in the mpex scientology thread
22:16 mircea_popescu i don't think i've ever seen a video
22:16 mircea_popescu nubbins` you're too young to recall ciuciu huh
22:16 nubbins` i have
22:16 Mats_cd03 so fisting is a regular event in your life then
22:16 nubbins` mircea_popescu, before my time
22:16 mircea_popescu well not so regular, but you gotta try things once in a while.
22:16 nubbins` ~nov 2012 i started dabbling
22:16 Vexual http://vimeo.com/67227980
22:16 mircea_popescu lemme see if there's a pastable bit
22:16 ozbot Donna Summer - I Feel Love (Long Remix) Music Video by Ganja Claus on Vimeo
22:17 nubbins` didn't quit my job til feb 2013
22:17 Vexual fired yet?
22:17 nubbins` so there was a period of like 4 months there where i wasn't much in tune with everything
22:17 Mats_cd03 the human colon is a remarkable thing
22:17 nubbins` Vexual, i've never been fired
22:17 nubbins` never been broken up with
22:17 nubbins` only good things happen to me
22:17 Mats_cd03 i wonder how many of my daily accessories i could fit in my ass if i tried
22:17 Vexual yeah but you're were a boss at birth
22:18 nubbins` after a fashion
22:18 Mats_cd03 lets see... gum, wallet, phone, hand sanitizer, moleskine, pen,
22:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2012 no dice ;/
22:18 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
22:18 nubbins` :(
22:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13437 @ 0.0009283 = 12.4736 BTC [-]
22:19 nubbins` hand sanitizer, seriously?
22:19 mircea_popescu guy was on my ignore so i dun have local logs so...
22:20 nubbins` i don't get this sanitizer thing
22:20 nubbins` okay, anecdote
22:20 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 "He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to y
22:20 mircea_popescu ou."
22:20 nubbins` i was at the gym yesterday
22:20 nubbins` there's a small metal box on the wall with a lock on top that hides the temperature controls for the room or w/e
22:20 nubbins` some asshole walks up and sticks his hand underneath it
22:20 Mats_cd03 that seems familiar but i always thought the story was about a jew
22:20 nubbins` looks mildly confused when hand sanitizer doesn't squirt out
22:20 nubbins` and walks away
22:21 Mats_cd03 i use hand sanitizer to get the smell of smokes off my body
22:21 nubbins` no you don't
22:21 Mats_cd03 and gum to remove it from my mouth
22:21 nubbins` you use it to think it gets the smell of smokes off your body
22:21 nubbins` truth is, you fucking reek like smoke after having a cigarette
22:22 nubbins` ask anyone around you who doesn't smoke
22:22 Mats_cd03 i'm not a cigarette scientist okay i can only do so much about the cigarette smoke
22:22 Vexual nuns carries half a pund of skunk to get the smell of smoke off his breath
22:22 mircea_popescu lol
22:22 Vexual scientician
22:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9461 @ 0.00049068 = 4.6423 BTC [+] {22}
22:22 mircea_popescu Vexual runs one of the funniest markov chain bots ever.
22:22 Mats_cd03 and the smoke touches my hand and mouth, so hand sanitizer and gum is how it goes
22:22 nubbins` lel ^
22:22 Vexual im from the ponds institute
22:22 nubbins` vexual, ive been quit for 2 years 3 months and uh
22:23 nubbins` 19 days
22:23 mircea_popescu i've been smoking since i was ~15.
22:23 nubbins` i only smoked for 5 years
22:23 mircea_popescu takes me about 6 to 10 weeks to go through a pack.
22:23 nubbins` started at age 25, feel free to have a lel
22:23 nubbins` took me 20-24 hours
22:23 nubbins` sometimes less
22:23 mircea_popescu thats a little exaggerate.
22:23 nubbins` occasionally i'd smoke 20 darts over the course of an evening
22:24 mircea_popescu don't eat any viagra.
22:24 nubbins` nor drink any red bull
22:24 nubbins` alkie friend of mine got cut off from red bull one night at the bar
22:24 Mats_cd03 lol
22:24 mircea_popescu lol this reminds me of kramer and his cappucino deal
22:25 mircea_popescu "i feel like i'm talking a little fast but you can'treally tell"
22:25 nubbins` he says "you know how hard it is to drink six glasses of coke?"
22:25 nubbins` downs 4 red bulls, screams his lungs out on a stage for 45 minutes
22:25 mircea_popescu http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387
22:25 ozbot BBC News - Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU Commission
22:25 mircea_popescu The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (ÂŁ99bn) annually, the European Commission says.
22:25 nubbins` his heartbeat felt like a fucking dubstep club
22:25 mircea_popescu sounds like a great reason to move here.
22:25 Mats_cd03 http://craftastrophe.net/2008/11/keep-your-money-safe-in-your-vagina/
22:25 ozbot Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe
22:26 Mats_cd03 for the friend you hate that has everything...
22:26 nubbins` the header on that website is pretty amazing
22:26 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
22:26 Mats_cd03 i am particularly amused by the header
22:27 Vexual wheres the best place in realeurope for an australian to live?
22:27 nubbins` reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQO-aOdJLiw
22:27 nubbins` vexual, you won't want to miss ^
22:27 mircea_popescu Vexual spain if you like fat whores, romania if you like slender whores.
22:27 Mats_cd03 theres even hair glued onto the wallet
22:28 ThickAsThieves must be french
22:28 Vexual this hurts more than trilema
22:29 Mats_cd03 ^ lol
22:29 nubbins` hahaha it's almost too much
22:29 Vexual and remids me how i got frozen squid instead of statchcock
22:29 Vexual good lamb, you buy
22:30 Vexual antidote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VnG3RmZ1sQ
22:31 nubbins` unexpected side effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY
22:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00595747 = 0.423 BTC [+]
22:32 Vexual can one walk around speaking english at everyone in romania?
22:33 mircea_popescu sure.
22:33 Vexual will it float?
22:33 nubbins` was waiting for the actual question :D
22:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
22:33 mircea_popescu bout the same as it serves you here...
22:33 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1584521/plain/)
22:33 nubbins` !b 6
22:33 Vexual hmmmm
22:34 nubbins` problem with !b is that it's easy to fuck up
22:34 mircea_popescu famous last words
22:34 nubbins` s/!b/*
22:34 mircea_popescu "problem with this linux box/kalashnikov/cuisinart/etc"
22:35 nubbins` protip: it's not a problem
22:35 nubbins` :D
22:35 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg4917085#msg4917085
22:35 ozbot Why MP is your God.
22:35 mircea_popescu this dude actually thinks they tailor polo shirts ?!
22:35 mircea_popescu it's trollage, right ?
22:36 nubbins` http://tsgroupuae.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/polo01.jpg
22:36 nubbins` that's a polo shirt
22:36 nubbins` is that what you wear under your vest? :\
22:36 nubbins` oh, wait, i cnat raed
22:37 mircea_popescu holy moses on a stick, someone sell him some original haagen-dasz
22:37 mircea_popescu imported from danishland
22:37 Vexual the cowspiders made me sick
22:37 nubbins` Vexual, :(
22:37 nubbins` ovine > bovine
22:37 Vexual no, i have the fear
22:37 nubbins` try placing a bare foot on the ground
22:37 Vexual yeah that worked, thanks
22:38 nubbins` np, it's a good one to remember
22:38 Vexual yeah, the feedback loop swas that it made me forget i had feet
22:38 Vexual funny how secrets travel
22:39 mircea_popescu let's do a game of guess. so my driver (who's really a retired ceo guy, lots of fun) dropped off his 10yo kid to whatever kid social function before picking me up, but didn't go all the way because the street was muddy and his car freshly washed. so the kid had to walk like 100 yards. gets called on phone, kid is affraid of DOGS111!! doesn't know what to do pls help. what does the guy do ?
22:39 Vexual txt him a spoonful of cement?
22:40 Vexual drive back
22:40 mircea_popescu giving away like a promise to pay 1 atc once i get some to the first person that gets the right answer.
22:40 mircea_popescu Vexual no and no.
22:40 Vexual pick you up?
22:40 mircea_popescu well of course, the reason i know about this is cause i was in the car when he got called.
22:41 Vexual is there only one answer?
22:41 mircea_popescu yeah.
22:41 mircea_popescu only one answer, only one altcoin.
22:41 mike_c told him to bark at the dog
22:41 mircea_popescu mike_c pretty much. spent ten minutes yelling in the phone at the top of his lungs telling the kid what a little shitling it is
22:41 mike_c hehe
22:42 mircea_popescu "what the fuck do you mean dogs. EAT THEM!!1"
22:42 mircea_popescu "if i come home and you've eaten no dog i'm going to spank you!"
22:42 Vexual its not really a spoonful of cement if you have to call the kid
22:42 asciilifeform korean driver?
22:42 mircea_popescu so eventually he's done yelling and im like "you got a point there, gotta get the kid scared-er of you than the dogs, then he'll be fine"
22:42 mircea_popescu he goes "d'oh"
22:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, he's romanian.
22:43 asciilifeform afaik every man who came of age in the post-soviet lands has eaten dog (army)
22:43 mircea_popescu well i suspect the eating part was metaphorical.
22:44 mircea_popescu tho... you never know with this nut.
22:44 Vexual can he fiz a tyre?
22:44 asciilifeform people tell me guard dogs still end up on the rotisserie now and again.
22:44 mircea_popescu we never had a flat so far.
22:45 Mats_cd03 i dont understand why you would eat dog instead of all the other animals in existence
22:45 Vexual that was a typo, but the question stands, jason statham stylee
22:45 mircea_popescu mike_c i owe you an atc.
22:45 Mats_cd03 its not as though theyre particularly tasty
22:45 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 to make a point
22:45 mike_c i'll get an address and let you know.
22:45 mircea_popescu mike_c not that i have any yet ;/ a-hole miners ain't selling
22:45 Vexual ill pay
22:45 mike_c too many hoarders!
22:45 mircea_popescu you got some v ?
22:45 asciilifeform Mats_cd03: because the 'grandpas' (conscripts close to getting their walking papers) ate yer dinner, and the red army conveniently provided you with a dog.
22:46 Mats_cd03 truly man's greatest companion
22:46 Vexual yah
22:46 mircea_popescu Vexual pay the man!
22:46 Vexual im pretty sure you can make a adkey like bitcoin?
22:46 nubbins` oh yeah, i forgot
22:47 nubbins` vexual is huge into atc isn't he?
22:47 mircea_popescu i have no idea.
22:47 Vexual yeah man i found 8 blocks
22:47 nubbins` nice
22:47 nubbins` congrats
22:47 nubbins` that's altmazing
22:47 Vexual its supersceded my single radeon now
22:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00092143 = 12.5314 BTC [-]
22:48 mircea_popescu what's diff like ?
22:48 nubbins` grown up already
22:48 Vexual dunno i gave up
22:48 nubbins` mircea_popescu, apparently btcguild merge-mines it now
22:48 Vexual altname>?
22:49 nubbins` i kid ;(
22:49 mircea_popescu My thesis about taper is that the banks in the U.S. had mortgage bonds on their books probably close to the tune of a trillion dollars that they could not sell to anyone. It was dead money, and they had to write them off somehow. The problem with writing off close to a trillion dollarsÂ’ worth of mortgage bonds that were held in all the U.S. banks is that kind of money is probably more than the total market capitali
22:49 mircea_popescu zation of the U.S. banking industry. So, they had to figure a way to get those mortgage bonds off the books of the banks and silo them somewhere without basically admitting that the U.S. banking system was insolvent.”
22:49 mircea_popescu (Rob Kirby)
22:49 Mats_cd03 the eurozone is about to experience the same thing are they not
22:50 nubbins` the history of us banking is pretty much "we had to figure out how to pretend we didn't shit the bed"
22:50 Mats_cd03 i recall something on reuters, although min was 1bln rather than 1t
22:50 mircea_popescu basically, the fed has about 2-3 trillion worth of dead money in its 4trn balance sheet.
22:50 nubbins` "maybe if we make it illegal to own white sheets" etc
22:50 mircea_popescu nubbins` central banking, yes.
22:50 Vexual whois bonds for bitcoin
22:50 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 not quite. no eu fed, fortunately.
22:51 mod6 atc diff: 16384.00000000
22:51 nubbins` bank of canada governor got hired by the bank of england a while ago
22:51 mircea_popescu mod6 whoa that setlltes the bet.
22:51 nubbins` summer i think
22:52 mod6 wow: "blocks" : 15753
22:52 mod6 was at like ~12000 on saturday
22:52 mircea_popescu only ?!
22:52 mircea_popescu can't be 15k get out.
22:52 Vexual even
22:52 mod6 but diff was 4096 then too
22:52 Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/europe-banks-emergingmarkets-idUSL5N0L82MO20140203
22:53 Mats_cd03 so...not at all like what i was thinking about
22:53 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 "exposure to emerging markets" != "money nobody is ever repaying, period".
22:53 mircea_popescu yes, i get it, the us is trying to create a periphery crisis to (yet again) shift the focus.
22:54 mircea_popescu the previous attempts didn't work, as nobody really cares what the english press is saying outside of the us space anyway.
22:55 mircea_popescu it's mostly a case of a guy with terminal cancer inventing sneezes and other health emergencies in the hospital staff.
22:55 Mats_cd03 im curious to see how the power dynamic between the us and china changes as the chinese move into a consumption phase
22:55 Vexual lol consumption phase
22:55 mircea_popescu the chinese ain't moving into the consumption phase tho
22:55 Vexual they couldnt slow growth if they nuked bejing
22:55 mircea_popescu they might have, maybe, unlikely. this crisis is saving them from it for suire.
22:56 Mats_cd03 a friend of mine who designs env filtration systems told me some good stories about china
22:57 Mats_cd03 he was there this last year for six months in the north, and apparently everything is literally polluted
22:57 Mats_cd03 e.g. in the touristy areas of beijing/shanghai they sometimes spray the grass green
22:57 Vexual welsome to earth
22:57 nubbins` !t h hif
22:57 assbot [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00044000 / 0.00049062 / 0.00050000 (9498 shares, 4.65993879 BTC), 7D: 0.00040500 / 0.00046139 / 0.00050000 (21474 shares, 9.90794302 BTC), 30D: 0.00038011 / 0.00046314 / 0.00050000 (94276 shares, 43.66333216 BTC)
22:58 Mats_cd03 there was also a good one about pigs being poisoned by some feed or other
22:58 Mats_cd03 which he happened to see driving by a local river
22:58 Mats_cd03 said pigs were floating in the dozens downstream
22:58 Mats_cd03 i wish i had gotten that photo from him...
22:59 asciilifeform 'patience is to sit on a river bank and wait for the corpse of your enemy to come floating by'
22:59 Mats_cd03 .cn farmer said fuck it i'll just dump these pig bodies into the water and try again
23:00 Mats_cd03 he claims literally every single source of water in china is polluted
23:00 nubbins` "If you go to that subreddit [doge] people don't know what the fark they are doing but it doesn't matter--they are tipping, they are giving to charity, they are having FUN. Everyone is friendly and very excited--it's a very stark contrast to here. There seems to be a lot of new crypto users joining there instead of here. A LOT of new crypto users."
23:00 CryptFox Where's captian planet when you need him most?
23:00 nubbins` not sure if srs
23:01 Vexual how was morocco?
23:01 mircea_popescu delurking lurkers say the strangest things
23:01 nubbins` lovely
23:01 nubbins` the countryside was nice
23:01 nubbins` in particular
23:01 Vexual no doubt, did they put you to work?
23:01 asciilifeform meat in the sun, plenty of little users! wings a-buzzing.
23:01 nubbins` too hot for work
23:01 mircea_popescu nubbins` crushing doge is a lot of fun, for sure.
23:02 nubbins` guy is on the verge of tears because btc isn't taking lessons from doge
23:02 mircea_popescu because totally "crypto user" = fucktard saying words on rettardit.
23:02 nubbins` /r/bitcoin is all grown-uppy and boring now
23:02 nubbins` and mathy
23:02 mircea_popescu and besides, we want more fucktards so desperately. like, not enough, must have more.
23:02 nubbins` ^
23:03 nubbins` a thousand times ^
23:03 mircea_popescu "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to glbse and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1"
23:03 mircea_popescu glbse sinks
23:03 mircea_popescu "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to btct and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1"
23:03 nubbins` Vexual, i met a norwegian guy one day in a village
23:03 mircea_popescu btct closes
23:03 mircea_popescu etc.
23:03 nubbins` was checking out this place that produces argan oil
23:04 nubbins` "this shit smells like hash"
23:04 Vexual no doubt
23:04 nubbins` but in fact it was the norwegian guy's fat draw that smelled like hash
23:04 nubbins` made more sense then
23:04 Vexual wheres my ship?
23:04 Vexual north brah, north
23:04 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_4dCEiaRlc
23:04 ozbot John Lee Hooker & Van Morrison - I Cover The Waterfront - YouTube
23:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00092112 = 16.5802 BTC [-]
23:05 nubbins` your ship had trouble with the fog
23:11 Mats_cd03 i'm watching a natgeo program called Bomb Hunters
23:11 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/whisky-and-wieners-paired-for-nlc-promo-1.2521368
23:11 ozbot Whisky and wieners paired for NLC promo - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
23:11 Mats_cd03 quite good
23:13 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWC7z859Psc&feature=kp
23:13 ozbot The Save, by Jeff Lang - YouTube
23:15 Vexual to satoshi
23:18 Vexual and all kde haters
23:20 Vexual not guatamalian enough?
23:25 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U
23:25 ozbot Phil Collins - Sussudio (Official Video) - YouTube
23:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1199 @ 0.00082007 = 0.9833 BTC [-] {13}
23:26 mod6 srsly Vexual?
23:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1301 @ 0.00079993 = 1.0407 BTC [-] {2}
23:27 Vexual serious
23:27 mod6 Suss-suss-cereal
23:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.002984 = 0.185 BTC [+]
23:30 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3DrM0xuY
23:30 ozbot Icy Blu - Pump It (Nice An' Hard) - YouTube
23:31 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4918218#msg4918218
23:31 ozbot [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC
23:31 mircea_popescu holy shit.
23:31 mircea_popescu kraken fucks up to a massive degree ;/
23:31 Vexual yeah you get squid
23:31 mircea_popescu dude after all the futzing they did with betas and everyhing... i'm dissapointed
23:32 mircea_popescu i was srsly expecting much more of this troop.
23:32 mircea_popescu and to top it off it looks like they can't cover the ~1mn damage and are splitting.
23:33 mircea_popescu kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.msg4906752#msg4906752 << you're the fool, yo!
23:35 Vexual this is why bricks and mortar casions explain their position with a taste of asphalt
23:35 mircea_popescu why bother ?
23:36 mircea_popescu asphalt is expensive, Mats_cd03 has to clean it afterwards etc.
23:36 Vexual well in a physical environment they start to smell
23:36 asciilifeform the beauty of btc is that lusers mix their own cement.
23:36 mircea_popescu too true.
23:40 Vexual on the internet siz weeks without a show aint shit
23:41 Vexual im channeling ghosts coz that said six showers when i typed it
23:42 Vexual what colour is goats shirt?
23:43 Vexual 1 atc for answer
23:43 Vexual zuric i win
23:44 Vexual mice_c you got an ad yet?
23:46 Vexual mike_c ive got shit to do
23:46 mike_c not yet. i'm sure we'll bump into each other again.
23:47 Vexual a bc add will suffice i think
23:47 Vexual this aint lc
23:49 Vexual markov says tommorrow wont do
23:49 mircea_popescu lmao
23:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.03400098 = 0.85 BTC [+] {5}
23:53 mike_c btc is good? then 18B61TqudC7pwqHP1J52eJwYx7ycwFtV2p
23:53 Vexual i think so
23:53 Vexual nooone knows
23:56 Vexual you own the privkey?
23:56 mike_c um, yes?
23:56 Vexual very good mr hunt
23:57 Vexual sent
23:58 Mats_cd03 you have A(D),10(S) pre-flop what do you do
23:58 Mats_cd03 flop is 10JQ (D/S/S) do you play and what are your chances on 1) flush or 2) straight
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