| 00:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.24946149 = 6.486 BTC [+] {5} |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 00:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.05 = 5 BTC |
| 00:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.24999998 = 2 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [+] |
| 00:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4435 @ 0.00089935 = 3.9886 BTC [-] |
| 00:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25 = 1.25 BTC [+] |
| 00:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.0008992 = 28.2798 BTC [-] {3} |
| 01:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0009027 = 4.6038 BTC [+] |
| 01:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.08302499 = 0.6642 BTC [-] {4} |
| 01:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.05 = 0.65 BTC |
| 01:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0008987 = 9.5262 BTC [-] {2} |
| 01:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.0009027 = 7.1765 BTC [+] {2} |
| 01:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC |
| 01:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00230002 = 0.575 BTC [-] {2} |
| 01:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.0228 = 0.5928 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 38 minutes ~ |
| 01:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00296899 = 1.0095 BTC [+] {2} |
| 01:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 258 @ 0.00296996 = 0.7662 BTC [+] {3} |
| 01:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24840 @ 0.00089845 = 22.3175 BTC [-] |
| 01:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 675 @ 0.00297781 = 2.01 BTC [+] {2} |
| 02:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00297861 = 0.8936 BTC [+] {4} |
| 02:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00298 = 0.3189 BTC [+] {2} |
| 02:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00238998 = 0.1673 BTC [+] |
| 02:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00090223 = 19.2626 BTC [+] {2} |
| 02:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00090311 = 15.5335 BTC [+] {4} |
| 02:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11752 @ 0.00089777 = 10.5506 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:19 |
Apocalyptic |
komododragon, sup |
| 02:21 |
komododragon |
what up |
| 02:21 |
komododragon |
you fucking #brokeboy |
| 02:21 |
komododragon |
running the late shift tonight again you fucking mut |
| 02:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00230381 = 0.4838 BTC [-] {4} |
| 02:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00089756 = 11.1297 BTC [-] |
| 02:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.05 = 5 BTC |
| 02:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02375 = 0.2375 BTC [+] |
| 02:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02429898 = 0.243 BTC [+] {4} |
| 02:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10625 @ 0.00089883 = 9.5501 BTC [+] |
| 02:55 |
newguy |
;;bcauth newguy |
| 02:55 |
gribble |
Request successful for user newguy, hostmask newguy!~truerelig@180.191.169.190. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:801499a6e823efeda47d85dcc68470a283c226f35d4597682b2c2414 |
| 03:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5319 @ 0.0009029 = 4.8025 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 03:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12617 @ 0.00089994 = 11.3545 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:24 |
Apocalyptic |
seriously ASAPCA gtfo |
| 03:25 |
ASAPCA |
lol |
| 03:25 |
ASAPCA |
you my good sir |
| 03:25 |
ASAPCA |
are going to get |
| 03:25 |
ASAPCA |
hit at least |
| 03:25 |
ASAPCA |
30 times |
| 03:25 |
ASAPCA |
i swear to fucking god |
| 03:26 |
ASAPCA |
you better stay up with me |
| 03:26 |
ASAPCA |
and watch |
| 03:27 |
ASAPCA |
now that I got my hands on you |
| 03:27 |
ASAPCA |
you're going to wish |
| 03:27 |
ASAPCA |
you never got in our way |
| 03:27 |
ASAPCA |
you mother fucker |
| 03:29 |
Apocalyptic |
*sigh* |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
yeha |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
what i been saying |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
all these times |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
you've kicked me |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
and said |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
U MAD? |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
U MAD? |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
yeah bro |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
i was fucking mad |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
i was livid |
| 03:29 |
Apocalyptic |
i can imagine |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
well |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
you gonna feel it |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
with this shit |
| 03:29 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
you fucking maggot |
| 03:35 |
BDKBDK |
your going to learn |
| 03:35 |
BDKBDK |
today |
| 03:35 |
BDKBDK |
you mother fucker |
| 03:38 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
ahhh |
| 03:38 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
looks like |
| 03:38 |
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY |
its over |
| 03:38 |
toronto |
OH |
| 03:38 |
toronto |
AHAHA |
| 03:38 |
toronto |
MAYBE NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:39 |
twizt |
huh |
| 03:39 |
twizt |
whats going on |
| 03:39 |
Apocalyptic |
this chan could really use some op |
| 03:39 |
kushedoutt |
oh yes |
| 03:39 |
Apocalyptic |
twizt, just a random douche hating |
| 03:39 |
kushedoutt |
it should |
| 03:39 |
kushedoutt |
could |
| 03:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6895 @ 0.00090361 = 6.2304 BTC [+] |
| 03:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3255 @ 0.00090392 = 2.9423 BTC [+] |
| 03:43 |
ASAPCA |
aight |
| 03:43 |
ASAPCA |
well |
| 03:43 |
ASAPCA |
guess the party |
| 03:43 |
ASAPCA |
is up |
| 03:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2124 @ 0.00089881 = 1.9091 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00090184 = 8.342 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 28 minutes ~ |
| 04:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10516 @ 0.00089747 = 9.4378 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3534 @ 0.00089584 = 3.1659 BTC [-] |
| 04:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5782 @ 0.00090063 = 5.2074 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 47 minutes ~ |
| 05:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00089974 = 6.1632 BTC [-] |
| 05:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00089584 = 12.7657 BTC [-] |
| 05:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15718 @ 0.00090128 = 14.1663 BTC [+] |
| 05:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5732 @ 0.00090185 = 5.1694 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
| 06:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00090238 = 8.1665 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 06:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00089643 = 11.8329 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~ |
| 07:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00089863 = 6.7397 BTC [+] |
| 07:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00089489 = 6.9801 BTC [-] {2} |
| 07:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00089863 = 6.2005 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 07:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00089476 = 10.4687 BTC [-] |
| 08:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9351 @ 0.00089476 = 8.3669 BTC [-] |
| 08:06 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic lol so what was that all about ? |
| 08:06 |
Apocalyptic |
i call him out, he's our usual scammer in -otc |
| 08:06 |
Apocalyptic |
so he got pissed |
| 08:07 |
Apocalyptic |
and started creating fake accounts to negrate me |
| 08:07 |
Apocalyptic |
& other ops |
| 08:07 |
gribble |
Error: "other" is not a valid command. |
| 08:07 |
truffles |
lol at that |
| 08:08 |
truffles |
at the gibble thing.. |
| 08:11 |
lyspooner |
what is min size for x.eur |
| 08:12 |
lyspooner |
and do i understand the specifications correctly that davout will be responsible for defining delivery details? |
| 08:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4055 @ 0.00089476 = 3.6283 BTC [-] |
| 08:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15512 @ 0.00089469 = 13.8784 BTC [-] |
| 08:21 |
mircea_popescu |
lyspooner what do you mean min size ? you can get 1 |
| 08:21 |
jurov |
he prolly means the lot |
| 08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic you getting a lot of that in -otc these days huh ? i see Azelphur negging people, that's a rarity. |
| 08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
1 x.eur = 1 eur |
| 08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
<lyspooner> and do i understand the specifications correctly that davout will be responsible for defining delivery details? << within reason and in advance. |
| 08:23 |
lyspooner |
so i buy 1 x.eur, hold it to expiration, and then davout gives me 1 eur |
| 08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
yea |
| 08:23 |
jurov |
and MKFUT does work on x.eur with 1.8 EUR collateral equivalent? |
| 08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
at expiration you can either take 1 euro in cash if you go through the delivery process or have it rolled to next month's x.eur |
| 08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov no. |
| 08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
but you can contact davout, and deliver euros to him on bc, which arrangement he may accept |
| 08:24 |
lyspooner |
i could bankrupt davout by buying several instances of 1 euro from davout, holding them to expiration and having him wire me 1 eur at as many bank accounts as i have contracts |
| 08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
this obviously being a mm feature, don't expect it to happen for 7.8 eur or some bs |
| 08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
lyspooner afaik there's a 5 eur charge per delivery. |
| 08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
go ahead |
| 08:24 |
jurov |
right |
| 08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the phys delivery is mostly there to keep things honest. unlike all the bucket shops running a soft-settled only "future" |
| 08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
which obviously is not a future. |
| 08:26 |
lyspooner |
because delivery specifications are made by a single-market maker, this contract will always guaranteed to have a single seller? |
| 08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
no such guarantee is made. |
| 08:26 |
lyspooner |
but davout is responsible for his delivery specs, which might differ from, say, mine |
| 08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 08:26 |
lyspooner |
how will a buyer know whome he is facing ? |
| 08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
(see teh email you just got) |
| 08:26 |
lyspooner |
ah ok sec |
| 08:27 |
jurov |
we'll have to wait for official announcement with the specs.. or was it done already? |
| 08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov click all the links! |
| 08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
Monthly settlement details available here : http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net/ |
| 08:28 |
jurov |
i see |
| 08:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14475 @ 0.00089656 = 12.9777 BTC [+] {3} |
| 08:31 |
lyspooner |
so mpex will not take responsibility for davout or anyone else's failure to deliver? |
| 08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, because they deposit to mm. |
| 08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
(c) The Market Maker will make a deposit of BTC with the Exchange, on the basis of which the Exchange will create a number of X.EUR contracts in the Market Maker's account, by the criterion of the weighted spot price rounded to the lowest 10. |
| 08:32 |
lyspooner |
so if you choose 5 market makers for the product, each with their own delivery specification, the buyer of the contract faces all of the different mm's |
| 08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
and |
| 08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
(a) The Market Maker will immediately notify the Exchange should observance of the terms of this contract become impossible for the future. Should such notification be received, the Exchange will distribute the Market Maker's deposit to contract holders, in proportion of the number of contracts they hold but not in excess of the implied spot value rounded to the lowest 10. This distribution will constitute the sole rem |
| 08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
edy for contract holders from the part of the Exchange. |
| 08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
lyspooner that is one way to run it. there's no guarantee it'll be the way it's run. |
| 08:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC |
| 08:34 |
lyspooner |
so if i buy 1000 contracts at .0015 and the future expires at 10,000,000 eur on the final settlement day, and the short can't give me 10 billion euros, what do i get? |
| 08:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00298 = 0.1937 BTC [+] |
| 08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
1000 contracts = 1000 euros |
| 08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
how can't he not give you 1000 euros ? |
| 08:35 |
lyspooner |
ah ok, i've been look at icbit too long |
| 08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
it rots the brain. |
| 08:35 |
lyspooner |
indeed |
| 08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
we do things right for a reason. |
| 08:36 |
lyspooner |
there's still something gross about the delivery specs being different from mm to mm |
| 08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
no there isn't. you've been looking at eurodollars too long. |
| 08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
embrace free market. |
| 08:37 |
lyspooner |
imagine i buy 100 contracts while there is a single market-maker, davout, because i am comfortable with his terms of delivery |
| 08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the mm deposit could have been in either of the pair, but btc seems safer. |
| 08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
admittedly there could still exist an edge case where the mm splits and the holders book a loss |
| 08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but it seems really edgy. |
| 08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
lyspooner certainly all changes are announced before the contract trades. this is sacred. |
| 08:38 |
lyspooner |
you couldn't allow a second market-maker |
| 08:38 |
lyspooner |
mid-trading |
| 08:39 |
lyspooner |
in the case where the mm splits or dies or forgets everything or worse, then the longs eat the crap |
| 08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
well suppose the mm gets 1mn contracts, by depositing 1560 btc. |
| 08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
he sells those, and then runs off |
| 08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
people get 0.00156 btc per held contract. |
| 08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
that COULD be worthless, obviously. and it'll have to be accounted for. |
| 08:41 |
mircea_popescu |
still, on one hand it's a much better liquidation event than either the best or the most recent non-mpex liquidation event, on one hand |
| 08:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and it's practically better than the alternative (hold 1mn euros which also COULD be worthless) |
| 08:44 |
lyspooner |
he would sell 1mn contracts, and in the case that bitcoins were worth less than 1 eur and he didn't hedge himself, he would owe 1mn EUR. he would run off and people would get near worthless bitcoins |
| 08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a possibility. |
| 08:44 |
lyspooner |
make him post euros to you |
| 08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
of course, what he says is that he's not going directional, and it makes sense for him not to, if he knows his business, |
| 08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
and moreover he has the means to go delta neutral as he has ready access to a spot market. |
| 08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
lyspooner what, instead of btc ? that's nonsense. |
| 08:45 |
lyspooner |
nonsense in what way? it prevents the situation i just described |
| 08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
it creates the equivalent. |
| 08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i tell you euro will turn worthless in the next ten years a degree of magnitude more often than btc will |
| 08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
at the very leasty. |
| 08:46 |
lyspooner |
shorts post euros, longs post bitcoins |
| 08:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm not a fucking exchange. i gotta pick one. |
| 08:47 |
lyspooner |
the good exchange will pick that format |
| 08:47 |
lyspooner |
until then you have recreated icbit's downside problems |
| 08:47 |
lyspooner |
with slightly better management |
| 08:47 |
lyspooner |
and less (?) default risk |
| 08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
nah. |
| 08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
looky, economy is built on trust and people doing their job. it's not really built on "making it impossible" for people to default. |
| 08:49 |
mircea_popescu |
making it obvious when someone defaults and making responsibility stick for defaults is good enough. |
| 08:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00090117 = 14.0583 BTC [+] {3} |
| 08:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00238994 = 0.2486 BTC [-] {2} |
| 08:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 196 @ 0.00239751 = 0.4699 BTC [+] {3} |
| 08:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25275 = 0.5055 BTC [+] {2} |
| 08:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00284938 = 7.1235 BTC [-] {11} |
| 08:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.251 BTC [-] |
| 09:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24716 @ 0.00090256 = 22.3077 BTC [+] {3} |
| 09:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC {2} |
| 09:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00090334 = 8.1689 BTC [+] {3} |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bcstats |
| 09:16 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 275236 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 955 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 1 hour, 54 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1116079088.26 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.86872 |
| 09:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14773 @ 0.00090383 = 13.3523 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC |
| 09:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25 = 0.5 BTC [-] |
| 09:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.05 = 1.25 BTC |
| 09:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00090354 = 11.0232 BTC [-] |
| 09:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.50000001 BTC [+] |
| 09:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00089975 = 11.0219 BTC [-] |
| 09:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;estimate |
| 09:58 |
gribble |
Next difficulty estimate | 1115862283.67 based on data since last change | 1184576457.35 based on data for last three days |
| 09:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
the dream is over |
| 10:00 |
pankkake |
:( |
| 10:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
only gavin can save me now |
| 10:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00089951 = 4.4976 BTC [-] {2} |
| 10:04 |
jurov |
TAT you made out on idiffs like a pig, don't cry now :D |
| 10:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
| 10:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
actually the amount lost here is probly very close to amount gained on idiffs |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 10:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 301 @ 0.002845 = 0.8563 BTC [-] {4} |
| 10:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 415 @ 0.00279697 = 1.1607 BTC [-] {5} |
| 10:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.00265123 = 0.1299 BTC [-] {4} |
| 10:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00089803 = 2.9635 BTC [-] |
| 10:39 |
azoo_ |
https://twitter.com/Heineken/status/412582896038580224/photo/1 |
| 10:39 |
ozbot |
Twitter / Heineken: Our vision of the future? Drink ... |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 11:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [+] |
| 11:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.04199999 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25 = 1.25 BTC [-] {4} |
| 11:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00090163 = 22.2703 BTC [+] {4} |
| 11:23 |
taub_ |
hehe surprise guys let me raise the fees on my super active traedign platform to 0.3% |
| 11:23 |
taub_ |
without giving you any warning |
| 11:23 |
taub_ |
because i'm chinese |
| 11:24 |
taub_ |
fucking btcchina |
| 11:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC |
| 11:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.0008986 = 5.167 BTC [-] |
| 11:42 |
jcpham |
;;seen mircea_popescu |
| 11:42 |
gribble |
mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> ;;bcstats |
| 11:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
already like 2PH added since last diffchange yeesh |
| 11:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00089803 = 0.898 BTC [-] |
| 12:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00089791 = 14.3666 BTC [-] {2} |
| 12:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2291 @ 0.00089806 = 2.0575 BTC [+] |
| 12:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [+] |
| 12:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 473 @ 0.05 = 23.65 BTC |
| 12:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02489999 = 0.2988 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 12:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3359 @ 0.00090108 = 3.0267 BTC [+] |
| 12:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
taub_ better than 1% or w/e mtgox was doing |
| 12:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13893 @ 0.00090047 = 12.5102 BTC [-] |
| 12:50 |
mike_c |
coinbase is 1% too, although they aren't really an exchange. |
| 13:04 |
gesell |
whats the reason for the current crash? |
| 13:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5132 @ 0.00009079 = 0.4659 BTC [+] {4} |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
it's its party and it can crash if it wants to ? |
| 13:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14654 @ 0.0000871 = 1.2764 BTC [-] {5} |
| 13:05 |
jcpham |
you would crash too if it happened to you |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
Estimated1002357574 in 1167 blks |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bcstats |
| 13:06 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 275265 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 926 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1115703052.32 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.82732 |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
lol bitcoincharts is a little behind the blox |
| 13:06 |
pankkake |
depends on how you compute it |
| 13:07 |
pankkake |
it's 1002 if nothing gets added |
| 13:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10231 @ 0.00090013 = 9.2092 BTC [-] {2} |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
is it ? |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought it'd be ~1050 even so |
| 13:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000896 = 5.2864 BTC [-] |
| 13:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0499 = 0.499 BTC [-] |
| 13:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00089763 = 4.4433 BTC [+] |
| 13:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC |
| 13:18 |
diametric |
seems like the market is in full panic sell mode right now. |
| 13:20 |
mike_c |
buffet says this is a good time to be greedy |
| 13:21 |
pankkake |
is there a non-panic mode in bitcoin? |
| 13:22 |
diametric |
ahh also btc china has enacted a trading fee now |
| 13:27 |
Duffer1 |
btcchina not allowing fiat withdraw (rumor) |
| 13:29 |
mike_c |
well, its posted on their site that they are requiring identification now |
| 13:29 |
pankkake |
well then it shouldn't crash at all |
| 13:30 |
mike_c |
heh, right. the gox effect. |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
aw shucks, not a billionaire again ? |
| 13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
btc y u so break my haert |
| 13:33 |
mike_c |
but now you get to enjoy the anticipation of being a billionaire again. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
financial sex. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
now you're in... now you're out. back in... back out... |
| 13:35 |
diametric |
just the tip |
| 13:35 |
pizzaman1337 |
anyway... when does X.EUR start trading? |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
was supposed to start today. i guess davout is having some tech trouble ? |
| 13:36 |
asciilifeform |
new from the seekoority circus! http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002647.html |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
wow f-secure, what a blast from the past |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
all i recall is this dos-age splash screen |
| 13:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00089763 = 1.0323 BTC [+] |
| 13:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 128 @ 0.00241498 = 0.3091 BTC [+] |
| 13:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00241609 = 0.4832 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.251 = 0.502 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 14:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00089763 = 13.8235 BTC [+] |
| 14:18 |
benkay |
asciilifeform: i dreamt about a dataflow soup (using biocomputing elements) last night and then read your Alert Reader post this morning. |
| 14:18 |
benkay |
odd synchrony. |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
haha |
| 14:18 |
benkay |
first i'd ever encountered the notion of dataflow stuff |
| 14:20 |
benkay |
i'm a near total neophyte to the execution of code and the things upon which they execute, so your grumpy old man attitude is fascinating to keep in mind while coming up to speed on the rest of the stack. |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
especially if you also keep in mind his age. |
| 14:21 |
asciilifeform |
phun phact: i've had people write to me: 'fscking keep over already, geezer'. |
| 14:21 |
asciilifeform |
*keel |
| 14:21 |
asciilifeform |
'can't build our shiny new world with yer kind around' |
| 14:22 |
asciilifeform |
that fan mail was in '09. |
| 14:22 |
asciilifeform |
i turned 30 2 wks ago... |
| 14:22 |
benkay |
your prose does have the vitriol of not-totally-bleached youth ;) |
| 14:22 |
kakobreklaa |
fun fact, clark moody refused to advertise my service cause it was suspeicious of it being scammy. he does have a mcxnow banner on site, still. |
| 14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
herp. |
| 14:23 |
mike_c |
tell him your code is C++, and therefore can't be a scam. |
| 14:23 |
jcpham |
mircea_popescu facedesk |
| 14:23 |
Duffer1 |
hehe |
| 14:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0008976 = 5.3856 BTC [-] |
| 14:23 |
jcpham |
mcxnow scam all day |
| 14:24 |
KRS|Gotyawallet |
+1 |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
what are we voting on ? |
| 14:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07062697 = 0.9182 BTC [-] {8} |
| 14:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2836 @ 0.000896 = 2.5411 BTC [-] |
| 14:26 |
benkay |
no doge on mcxnow |
| 14:26 |
benkay |
scam |
| 14:33 |
dub |
;;ud sharking |
| 14:33 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sharking | To pull a girl's panties down in public, usually when she's wearing a short skirt. Very popular in Japan. |
| 14:33 |
FabianB_ |
http://www.coindesk.com/china-bans-payment-companies-working-bitcoin-exchanges-sources-claim/ <-- has this been discussed already? am not through the backlog yet |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
FabianB_ in passing. not rly. |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
seems the usual overreaction. no such thing happened as far as anyone knows |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
but idiots love being overzealously silly. |
| 14:34 |
Duffer1 |
couple of reddit rumor threads so far, that's all i've been able to find |
| 14:34 |
FabianB_ |
they love loosing money by panicking it seems |
| 14:38 |
FabianB_ |
the only third party 'payment provider' they mention in the article is Tenpay |
| 14:38 |
FabianB_ |
didn't know any of them had anything directly to do with bitcoin |
| 14:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22213 @ 0.00089553 = 19.8924 BTC [-] {4} |
| 14:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
they pulled similar shit with tencent rumors in the past |
| 14:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
like QQ would use btc or somthing |
| 14:49 |
azoo |
what about the just recent news about china banning withdrawals btc to fiat? |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
log's your friend |
| 14:51 |
Duffer1 |
;;ident lino |
| 14:51 |
gribble |
Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. |
| 14:51 |
Duffer1 |
wtf.. |
| 14:53 |
dub |
;;gpg info lino |
| 14:53 |
gribble |
No such user registered. |
| 14:54 |
Duffer1 |
ya i was lookin in wrong chan >.< |
| 14:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.0008976 = 4.9817 BTC [+] |
| 15:02 |
FabianB_ |
http://bitbet.us/bet/611/bitcoin-value-will-drop-back-to-450-or/ <-- hehe, if they panick to that level |
| 15:02 |
ozbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin value will drop back to $450 or below before Christmas |
| 15:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.0008976 = 5.61 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
panic abounds! |
| 15:04 |
jurov |
$avg |
| 15:04 |
mpexbot |
jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 15:05 |
jurov |
;;ticker --average |
| 15:05 |
gribble |
(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is (1 more message) |
| 15:05 |
jurov |
;;ticker --avg |
| 15:05 |
gribble |
816.33325 |
| 15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
no love for jurov |
| 15:05 |
jurov |
.bait |
| 15:05 |
ozbot |
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4678fc7e2df00bd8dc4781e0ed288afc/tumblr_mp6aio31LD1s9olebo1_500.jpg |
| 15:05 |
jurov |
lol |
| 15:05 |
pankkake |
ozbot is being a smart ass |
| 15:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
ha! |
| 15:10 |
sois |
TAT, Did Friedcat respond on what the issue is with the direct transfer shares from last week? |
| 15:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000094 = 0.282 BTC [+] |
| 15:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00089763 = 12.0282 BTC [+] |
| 15:12 |
the20year2 |
jurov: the prevailing theory is that the heart shape is specifically that |
| 15:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
sois, no he has not |
| 15:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
seem i can only get his attention once each week |
| 15:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
seems* |
| 15:12 |
sois |
Okay, guess nothing we can do but wait till next dividend or his response |
| 15:12 |
sois |
:- |
| 15:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
i suspect he'll just fix it and not say anything... |
| 15:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
either way i'll square up any divs |
| 15:13 |
sois |
ok, sounds good |
| 15:14 |
sois |
i sent him a proposal that would automate the process, i'm guessing he is just using excel and manually doing it which must be a hassle |
| 15:15 |
jurov |
o looky, http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR&r=1 is on |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
what's r=1 do |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
oh. |
| 15:16 |
jurov |
i'll add it on coinbr, but it needs scary warning you need b-c account to settle it |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
$depth x.eur |
| 15:16 |
mpexbot |
mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['2000 @ 0.0016129', '100 @ 0.00153846', '350 @ 0.00147'] |
| 15:16 |
mpexbot |
mircea_popescu: Asks: ['2000 @ 0.00227272'] |
| 15:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/16/5216862/bitcoin-is-so-2013-dogecoin-is-new-crypto-currency-on-the-block |
| 15:16 |
ozbot |
Bitcoin is so 2013: Dogecoin is new crypto currency on the block | The Verge |
| 15:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
wtf |
| 15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov well you don't HAVE to settle, you can just sell it back later |
| 15:17 |
the20year2 |
wow, petamine already has 3437 btc |
| 15:17 |
Duffer1 |
......................... |
| 15:17 |
Duffer1 |
more than they'll ever actually mine |
| 15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1/0.0016129 |
| 15:17 |
gribble |
620.001240002 |
| 15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1/0.00227272 |
| 15:17 |
gribble |
440.001408005 |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
$depth O.USD.C110T |
| 15:18 |
mpexbot |
mircea_popescu: O.USD.C110T Bids: ['1000 @ 1e-08', '1000 @ 1e-08'] |
| 15:18 |
mpexbot |
mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.00627926', '1000 @ 0.00627947', '5 @ 0.025'] |
| 15:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6559 @ 0.00089573 = 5.8751 BTC [-] |
| 15:19 |
the20year2 |
i'm sure |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 0.00627926 * 110 + 110 |
| 15:19 |
gribble |
110.6907186 |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
uh no |
| 15:20 |
jurov |
;;bc,convert eur |
| 15:20 |
gribble |
1 BTC = 749.9 USD = 544.80235 eur |
| 15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
$depth O.USD.C065T |
| 15:20 |
mpexbot |
mircea_popescu: O.USD.C065T Bids: ['1000 @ 0.01591501', '1000 @ 0.01591501'] |
| 15:20 |
mpexbot |
mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.02752279', '1000 @ 0.02752286'] |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 0.01591501 / 0.02752279 - 0.0016129 / 0.00227272 |
| 15:21 |
gribble |
-0.131429844848 |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
whadda ya know. option spreads are narrow. |
| 15:22 |
davout |
ohai |
| 15:22 |
davout |
such future contract |
| 15:22 |
davout |
much spread |
| 15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
much spread |
| 15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 15:22 |
jurov |
wow |
| 15:22 |
davout |
wow |
| 15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
owo |
| 15:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4370 @ 0.00089622 = 3.9165 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:23 |
kakobreklaa |
much spread |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
small amount of late, kako :D |
| 15:24 |
davout |
large amount of 'a' |
| 15:24 |
kakobreklaa |
large amount of lag to somaila |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
such internweb. |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
Duffer1 the20year2 have 3.5k according tp what/who ? |
| 15:26 |
the20year2 |
? |
| 15:27 |
the20year2 |
according to havelock's chart |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.cryptx.com/peta-mine/ < this thing ? |
| 15:27 |
ozbot |
PETA-MINE | CryptX |
| 15:29 |
Duffer1 |
wow they really have raised 3400 btc |
| 15:29 |
Duffer1 |
https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=PETA |
| 15:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
hard to know |
| 15:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
even harder to care |
| 15:30 |
Duffer1 |
i can't imagine that will ever rio |
| 15:30 |
Duffer1 |
roi |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"CryptX has a contract with Cointerra" |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
where's the cxontract |
| 15:30 |
the20year2 |
course not |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
these people never heard of signatures etc ? |
| 15:30 |
the20year2 |
And it's a sweet deal for the mining company......the cost to provide those GH goes down every day |
| 15:31 |
the20year2 |
I always laugh at how these companies are set up, i've gone overboard with mine, and no one cares |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, pmb version 50. why even. |
| 15:32 |
Duffer1 |
worse than a pmb |
| 15:32 |
Duffer1 |
only 65% equity on offer |
| 15:32 |
Duffer1 |
those assholes have gone overboard with that one |
| 15:32 |
the20year2 |
they retain 65% or selling 65? |
| 15:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00090107 = 17.8412 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:33 |
Duffer1 |
they retain 35% of divs because.. |
| 15:33 |
the20year2 |
If you were the issuer , why not? Investors typically don't read the T &C , and if they do, few understand it |
| 15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
the20year2 and then you list the crap and get called a scam and don't understand why. |
| 15:33 |
the20year2 |
I retain 35% of my divs too, but then I ponied up $30k+ into the fund :D |
| 15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
who was asking me earlier ? |
| 15:33 |
the20year2 |
Who cares if they get called a scam? They've already pocketed 2.8m in investments |
| 15:34 |
the20year2 |
makes me wish i'd of asked for 5k bitcoins instead of the 700 |
| 15:34 |
Duffer1 |
what's your project the20? |
| 15:34 |
the20year2 |
buying income producing real estate with bitcoins |
| 15:34 |
Duffer1 |
oohh right |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
stealing 2.8mn from idiots does not make the stolen funds investments. |
| 15:35 |
the20year2 |
is it theft if they willingly hand it over? |
| 15:35 |
Duffer1 |
fleecing the ignorant is little better than theft imo |
| 15:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
... |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not a business. |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
whatever it is. |
| 15:36 |
Vexual |
courts oft call it theft |
| 15:36 |
Duffer1 |
it's not intended to benefit the investor so i'd call that a scam, maybe not "theft" |
| 15:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
last i checked, taking candy from babies wasn't good for the rep |
| 15:36 |
the20year2 |
*Hopefully* the end result will be smarter investors |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
it usually is. |
| 15:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's a tsunami of dumb tho |
| 15:37 |
Duffer1 |
smarter, broke, investors hehe |
| 15:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
good luck |
| 15:37 |
deadweasel |
knowledge is valuable :) |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
;;genrate 240000000 |
| 15:37 |
gribble |
The expected generation output, at 240000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 908350862.437, is 132.875487804 BTC per day and 5.5364786585 BTC per hour. |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
did i get the 0s right ? |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
240 th they say they're deploying, selling the lot for 50k btc. |
| 15:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;nethash |
| 15:38 |
gribble |
8658640.6558 |
| 15:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11330 @ 0.00089857 = 10.1808 BTC [-] |
| 15:39 |
the20year2 |
how long to set up the 240th? |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
will hit even in 300 days of constant difficulty. also known as never. |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
the20year2 two weeks from january. |
| 15:39 |
the20year2 |
nice |
| 15:39 |
the20year2 |
I wonder what kind of facility they're in |
| 15:39 |
the20year2 |
My brother's looking at local warehouses/factories to deploy in, and the cost for setup and time involved is immense |
| 15:39 |
the20year2 |
It's not like you can just find a datacenter and say "hey let me put my stuff in there" |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
well savage family has some free space. |
| 15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Bitmine ever deliver anything so far ? |
| 15:40 |
Duffer1 |
a bunch of spam mail to my inbox but that's about it |
| 15:41 |
Duffer1 |
no i'm not sure if they've actually shipped though |
| 15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically this is a 25% actual rigs (from cointerra) and 75% vaporware. |
| 15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
deal gets better and better. |
| 15:41 |
the20year2 |
Nice |
| 15:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
sounds a lot like ActM |
| 15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
who's behind this ? |
| 15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, it does. |
| 15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and the mo is quite similar, too. |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=215431.0 |
| 15:42 |
ozbot |
Official Avalon mining rig clones thread from bitmine.ch (NOW SHIPPING) |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
some guy, giorgiomassa |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
which is an italian name. making avalon clones. |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
now how does he do that ? |
| 15:42 |
the20year2 |
coinlab money? |
| 15:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
he used the ghosted Avalon chips |
| 15:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
uses* |
| 15:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
(not srs) |
| 15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
is it this guy ? http://www.massarotto.com/ |
| 15:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
dunno |
| 15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ok so basically they mostly delivered an avalon clone on a 9 month schedule, and announced a 28nm process on a 3 month schedule late sept. |
| 15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
so maybe they deliver, in the summer. |
| 15:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
like bfl monarchs |
| 15:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
i still have my email spam from them |
| 15:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00089815 = 3.413 BTC [-] |
| 15:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
promising xmas delivery |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
xmas delivery is a thing. |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"Even with weights, allowing a diff bet to be open to bets till so close to the resolution date, enormously reduces the incentive to bet until it is an obvious call and thus limits the size of the bets to a few eager early beters plus roughly double the late skimmers. No money in between an thus smaller overall rollers." |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
does this guy have a point ? |
| 15:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
yes |
| 15:48 |
jurov |
kinda yes |
| 15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
so then what dio you do, have all these bets you can't bet on ? |
| 15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
cause they closed last week and resolve in a month ? |
| 15:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
more curvy weight loss |
| 15:49 |
jurov |
no, all the bets i can bet, but have weight like 50k or 30k |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov huh ? |
| 15:49 |
kakobrekla |
[21:49:25] <ThickAsThieves> more curvy weight loss |
| 15:49 |
jurov |
yes, updating the curve could help |
| 15:49 |
kakobrekla |
you need more fat for more cuvers you know |
| 15:49 |
kakobrekla |
curves |
| 15:49 |
Vexual |
.bait |
| 15:49 |
ozbot |
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhd6p65yj1qdxglyo1_1280.jpg |
| 15:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
you know what i mean tho? |
| 15:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
weight needs to drop off harder |
| 15:50 |
kakobrekla |
you like fat women? |
| 15:50 |
kakobrekla |
ah |
| 15:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
the curve |
| 15:50 |
mike_c |
not sure that's any different than just closing early |
| 15:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
it let speople bet |
| 15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
not only what mike_c said, but also... then how do you specify the curve. |
| 15:50 |
Vexual |
risk and reward |
| 15:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
of course then you run into the other issue of letting people make losing winning bers |
| 15:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
bets* |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
| 15:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
what if weight was 'spent' |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ |
| 15:52 |
ozbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i can't even follow the guy's idea |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
what has materially changed in that bet since a month ago ? |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it's still pretty wild. |
| 15:54 |
jurov |
hm, there should exist some curve how the prediction accuracy increases over time for natural phenomena |
| 15:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
if they keep adding PHs every week that bet... |
| 15:54 |
jurov |
and weight would be inverse of it |
| 15:54 |
jurov |
and i strongly dount that curve is linear |
| 15:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
pretty good assumption |
| 15:56 |
mike_c |
i'm warming up to the 'spend weight' idea |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov just do a historical average of all science ? |
| 15:56 |
jurov |
can't black-scholes be applied? |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c i dunno what it'd be |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
explain it ? |
| 15:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
something like, |
| 15:56 |
mike_c |
it puts something of a cap on the bets, but whatever. |
| 15:56 |
mike_c |
like, you bet 50btc, the weight drops 50k |
| 15:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
you start with 100,000 weight |
| 15:56 |
Vexual |
science? is 100% science |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov a nonlinear curve would, of course, have to somehow be communicated to the bettors, which may take 16 months of scam accusations in the btctalk. |
| 15:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
then each bet get 10% of that weight, but new bet's weight is offset |
| 15:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
by the amount of coin betted |
| 15:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
to avoid losing winners |
| 15:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
so first bettor get 10,000 weight |
| 15:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i can follow mike_c proposal but not yours, and moreover they seem quite distinct |
| 15:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
next gets 9000 weight or whatever |
| 15:57 |
jurov |
http://weather.mailasail.com/w/uploads/Franks-Weather/Skill-graph.jpg this is for weather forecasts |
| 15:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
i honestly dont havce it thought thru |
| 15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov interesting... |
| 15:58 |
mike_c |
if you "buy" weight, it encourages you to 1) wait for more info, but 2) get in before someone else gets all the good weight |
| 15:58 |
jurov |
source: http://weather.mailasail.com/Franks-Weather/Forecast-Accuracy-Limitations |
| 15:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
mike_c it's already the case |
| 15:58 |
mike_c |
not really |
| 15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c how do you anchor it ? why 50k and not 492 ? |
| 15:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
bet early does get you better weight |
| 15:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
just the curve is slowwww |
| 15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves basically he proposes to not use a time function, but a bet function |
| 15:59 |
mike_c |
only marginally. but if you auction off weight, it changes the dynamic a lot |
| 15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
likle the blockchain |
| 15:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah i see |
| 15:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
thats totally diff |
| 15:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5255 @ 0.00089815 = 4.7198 BTC [-] |
| 15:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
starting to sound like that other site |
| 15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c how is your idea different from just splitting the pool according to a polynomial (bet sum) ? |
| 15:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
where you can sell your bet position |
| 16:00 |
mike_c |
thinking it through. i believe it is different because the guy who bets the first 10btc gets more than the guy who bets the last 10btc |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, but his more is a function of the total bet. |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
or w/e, model this for me |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
mebbe i only think i got what you mean |
| 16:01 |
mike_c |
yeah, i'll think it through. |
| 16:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00090127 = 14.9611 BTC [+] |
| 16:04 |
Vexual |
you're only talking about difficulty bets? |
| 16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
Vexual it's where people seem to think they do a lot better at predicting outcomes as time goes by |
| 16:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
like that minimum wage one |
| 16:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
it;s old but |
| 16:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
if it's not on the agenda for the gov by a certain date |
| 16:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
you know it aint gona happen |
| 16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean to be clear, im not proposing linear timeweight is the absolutely correct solution. it's obviously wrong, life isn't linear. |
| 16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
however, it may be the best approximation, depending how the problem is actually defined |
| 16:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
what if it's a fixed amount of weight that can be given, then the 'price' of weight is determined by the amount of coins bet prior. |
| 16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
the who ? |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov what's that curve even, its not a sine section. |
| 16:07 |
Vexual |
a curve from the difficulty estimate? |
| 16:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
no |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
he linked some stuff above from weather prediction |
| 16:08 |
Vexual |
perhaps the weather curve is plotted from data |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly |
| 16:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
any tapering over time would be better than linear |
| 16:09 |
Vexual |
add some function to the diff estimate to make a sexy curve |
| 16:09 |
jurov |
can't find any supporting maths, looks like fully empirical |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves that can't be true. |
| 16:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
i mean that in the starting from linear sense, not saying an extreme taper would be better |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"any woman would be better than the girl next door. except, you know, a really annoying pornstar. or a quadriplegic. or a butch lesbian." |
| 16:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
like said, not meant to be taken to extremes |
| 16:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
meant to move the meter |
| 16:11 |
Vexual |
u in it for the money or in it for the love? |
| 16:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
like 1 bj per year is better than zero |
| 16:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
but 1000 is maybe too much |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c one major problem of the not-time approach is, what if right before your 10btc bet makes it, someone puts in a 1k btc bet. |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
you basically now live in a cloudy soup of "i can't fucking know wjhat i'm betting on" |
| 16:12 |
jurov |
1+cos(x) in the 0,pi interval? but yes, needs some modelling what would be the effect |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov looks too un-sine to be a sine imo. |
| 16:13 |
jurov |
insinity |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ianal. |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 16:14 |
jurov |
just throw weierstrass function in |
| 16:14 |
jurov |
epic outrage |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
what can math possibly hurt. |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
blancmange. moar like tits. |
| 16:16 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu: yeah, i was thinking about that. but its not like its not a cloudy soup right now. |
| 16:16 |
jurov |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blancmange_curve is moar like tits |
| 16:16 |
ozbot |
Blancmange curve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
but at least you know what weight you get. |
| 16:16 |
Vexual |
popescu curve |
| 16:16 |
mike_c |
which is still only a piece of it. because if someone drops that 1k bet down on my side my odds still tank |
| 16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
but not more than his. |
| 16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it doesn't give him cake and you penis. |
| 16:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00090128 = 5.9484 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:18 |
mike_c |
yes. not unsolvable though. |
| 16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
what are you, an engineer ? |
| 16:18 |
mike_c |
sometimes |
| 16:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
what if you just offer 4 curve pictures when making bet, maybe in a Edit Curve button, one tapers early, one late, one linear, one like Franks Weather |
| 16:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
then you can overlay the curve chosen on the graph pic for each bet |
| 16:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
or sumth |
| 16:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.257 BTC [+] |
| 16:18 |
mike_c |
steep curves late are the same as early closing imo |
| 16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves this discussion mostly started because users can't be arsed to use the fine tuning implem,ents already available |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
not like i won't let you make a bet that expires early or that ends with w/e weight etc |
| 16:19 |
asciilifeform |
next thing we know, bitbet gets a scripting language, and we're playing 'Core Wars.' |
| 16:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
then mods can decide curve? |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
mno ? |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform somethin' like that. |
| 16:19 |
Vexual |
you'll end up with a flat line |
| 16:19 |
asciilifeform |
what ever happened to the fellow who was going to offer 'pwn by box for 10 btc?' |
| 16:20 |
asciilifeform |
*my |
| 16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly something unfortunate |
| 16:23 |
asciilifeform |
afaik the offer never went live |
| 16:24 |
asciilifeform |
he was offering 'get a root account, and see if you can get past my fancy memory partitioner plugin' |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
was it jurov ? |
| 16:24 |
asciilifeform |
no, some random face |
| 16:24 |
jurov |
nope, i dont give root :) |
| 16:25 |
asciilifeform |
pwn contests for btc prize are an underdeveloped field |
| 16:25 |
Vexual |
lol |
| 16:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00243999 = 0.244 BTC [+] |
| 16:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.257 BTC [+] |
| 16:26 |
asciilifeform |
if the arena keeper is reputable, people will play |
| 16:26 |
asciilifeform |
otherwise nobody cares to part with an 0day for a prize that may or may not exist. |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a point |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess roua's accident recently left a hole. |
| 16:26 |
dub |
s.pwn? |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
besides, btc makes us about 5000x as powerful as fiat ever was |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
what's apple gonna do, come here and bitch ? |
| 16:27 |
dub |
>9000x tbh |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
im kinda looking forward to the day when the old world starts actually paying lawyers to troll irc. |
| 16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i can be all, ha, i was doing this in 2012 newbs. |
| 16:30 |
asciilifeform |
there's no possible substitute for arena reputation, though; with the possible exception of holding the contest inside a faraday cage, with the target machine signing messages with its addr key on demand. |
| 16:31 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps the game is not being played formally because 95% of the btc community is already playing it informally |
| 16:31 |
asciilifeform |
without necessarily intending to. |
| 16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think there's possible substitution for reputation generally. |
| 16:32 |
asciilifeform |
0day + lamer -> crying lamer, 0 probably stays 0; 0day + arena -> possibly nothing, 0 is now 1+ |
| 16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
this was "news" in 200 bc too. i dunno why it's so counterintuitive |
| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
'you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.' |
| 16:34 |
Vexual |
can we have drones with cameras reading keystrokes in the arena? |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual: the arena in question may not be a literal one; the original issue was how to prove that the target actually contains a prize. |
| 16:36 |
asciilifeform |
the 'piñata', if you will. |
| 16:37 |
Vexual |
you propose to make it more sporting by making it less sporting |
| 16:38 |
Vexual |
but legal |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
it's a standard 'trading in the desert' situation |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
player may (or may not) have 0day |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
arena may (or may not) have prize. |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
player, by playing, necessarily reveals his hand. |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
how to motivate him |
| 16:43 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81%20Pro%20BTC/ |
| 16:43 |
ozbot |
ASRock > H81 Pro BTC |
| 16:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Awfully late to the party with this... |
| 16:44 |
Vexual |
i still prefer the physical areana with drones, paid for by discorvey channel |
| 16:44 |
kakobrekla |
lol wtf pro btc |
| 16:44 |
asciilifeform |
'Just plug in the USB Key and let your computer log in to windows automatically!' |
| 16:45 |
Vexual |
then sell your 0 days to market with the advertising |
| 16:45 |
asciilifeform |
no one has yet invented a means whereby unknowns can sell secrets to unknowns. |
| 16:46 |
kakobrekla |
omg wtf the mobo has dehumidifier |
| 16:46 |
Vexual |
no thats the beauty of it, by removing that special part of the whole game, you reintroduce it again |
| 16:47 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual: where do you intend to find the fools who will drop their 0day panties in public? |
| 16:48 |
asciilifeform |
anyone who wants to show off can do this already simply by using the weapon 'in anger' the usual way. |
| 16:48 |
mike_c |
this is really good: |
| 16:48 |
mike_c |
http://dimacs.rutgers.edu/Workshops/Markets/pennock.pdf |
| 16:48 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: I take that to mean they'll randomly power up the computer when you aren't using to to see if you found any bitcoins yet. |
| 16:48 |
mike_c |
"A Dynamic Pari-Mutuel Market for Hedging, Wagering, and Information Aggregation" |
| 16:48 |
kakobrekla |
:)) |
| 16:49 |
Vexual |
thats what i mean ascii, the area is fake |
| 16:49 |
asciilifeform |
planet has enough fake things |
| 16:49 |
asciilifeform |
how about something real for a twist. |
| 16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c did the academia folks invent something again ? |
| 16:51 |
mike_c |
it's got some good proposals for how to do it. i'm working on the tl;dr. |
| 16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i like this guy. |
| 16:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00090279 = 7.0869 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00090295 = 8.5329 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:56 |
Vexual |
j Applied Meteorology |
| 16:57 |
asciilifeform |
if we're doing papers, try this on for size: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hashlife.pdf |
| 16:58 |
asciilifeform |
(a bit of a hog, scanned it personally from the original print) |
| 16:58 |
asciilifeform |
anyone who can figure out how to apply it to sha2 wins... +inf. |
| 16:58 |
mike_c |
how could i possibly open a pdf from someone i know could hack the shit out of me if he wanted to? |
| 16:58 |
asciilifeform |
how do you breathe air. |
| 16:58 |
mike_c |
carefully? |
| 16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 16:58 |
asciilifeform |
somebody could've mixed some strange in. |
| 16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
pdfs need to die already |
| 16:59 |
Duffer1 |
preach it brother |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
if jpeg came in multi-page variant, i'd have jpeg. |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
tldr version: exponential speedup for cellular automata algos |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
phys. d. 1984. 75-80 |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
(bill gosper) |
| 17:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9414 @ 0.00090012 = 8.4737 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:01 |
asciilifeform |
basic idea is to 'compress' time and space simultaneously |
| 17:01 |
asciilifeform |
(sounds weird, but it wurks) |
| 17:03 |
sundun_ |
hi |
| 17:03 |
ll |
open it in a vm |
| 17:03 |
ll |
or use pdf2jpg.com or similar |
| 17:04 |
kakobrekla |
NSA also does this for you |
| 17:07 |
pankkake |
multipage jpeg is called tar :) |
| 17:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Whatever is wrong with TeX for passing documents? |
| 17:08 |
asciilifeform |
doc in question is a scan |
| 17:08 |
asciilifeform |
from dead tree. |
| 17:09 |
kakobrekla |
ocr? |
| 17:09 |
asciilifeform |
with pictures. |
| 17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
we need a better format. |
| 17:09 |
kakobrekla |
dam pictures. |
| 17:09 |
kakobrekla |
i like png better. |
| 17:10 |
pankkake |
png scans are HUGE |
| 17:10 |
kakobrekla |
yes cause scans sucks |
| 17:10 |
pankkake |
unless you do black and white with high contrast filter |
| 17:10 |
kakobrekla |
mhm |
| 17:10 |
asciilifeform |
ok lazy kids http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/hl/hl.html |
| 17:11 |
mike_c |
ok.. i think i understand enough to design bitbet v2. |
| 17:11 |
pankkake |
when is the ipo? |
| 17:11 |
mike_c |
i'll ask havelock. probably tomorrow. |
| 17:12 |
mike_c |
basically you buy shares in the outcome (this is not tradesports). share price is based on the current proportion of bets. so buying one share costs 0.1, but buying two shares cost 0.22, etc. |
| 17:13 |
asciilifeform |
(should be http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html for permalink) |
| 17:13 |
mike_c |
price of shares will be driven to whatever probability is currently expected. |
| 17:13 |
mike_c |
so early bettors get better prices |
| 17:13 |
mike_c |
and when an event is basically decided, share prices go through the roof on that side |
| 17:13 |
asciilifeform |
is this predicated on identity costing >0 ? |
| 17:13 |
mike_c |
no |
| 17:13 |
asciilifeform |
because what's to stop 1000 socks for buying 1000 shares for 0.1 each |
| 17:14 |
mike_c |
can't be done. it's like an order book |
| 17:14 |
mike_c |
but the order book is filled with the algorithmically determined prices |
| 17:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00090097 = 9.0097 BTC [+] |
| 17:14 |
mike_c |
so everyone knows its fair |
| 17:15 |
asciilifeform |
so share 1 is sold for 0.1. share 2 is sold, to an apparently different buyer for, ? |
| 17:15 |
mike_c |
0.11 |
| 17:15 |
mike_c |
bettor would basically put in a limit order |
| 17:15 |
asciilifeform |
ok |
| 17:16 |
Vexual |
then it starts sounding like something else |
| 17:16 |
mike_c |
but not, because it's not just an open market |
| 17:16 |
mike_c |
and there is no market-maker |
| 17:16 |
mike_c |
except, there is always buy-liquidity from the opposing side |
| 17:17 |
mike_c |
it does, however, allow you to sell your shares if you want |
| 17:17 |
Vexual |
nat a bet |
| 17:17 |
mike_c |
huh? |
| 17:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 754 @ 0.00241562 = 1.8214 BTC [-] {4} |
| 17:19 |
mike_c |
if there is sufficient interest from people i can work up a simulation. |
| 17:20 |
mike_c |
the nice thing about is that you don't need a time weight. early bettors get better odds, and it will naturally get squeezed off when the market knows the event is decided. |
| 17:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00090317 = 6.2319 BTC [+] |
| 17:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.09304399 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {5} |
| 17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
so let's run through this. bet is gribble's coin toss comes out heads. |
| 17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
what now ? |
| 17:22 |
Vexual |
do 3 in a row mircea |
| 17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, one's enough for this |
| 17:22 |
mike_c |
well, i think parimutuel wagering on mathematical things is silly :) |
| 17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
that aside |
| 17:22 |
pankkake |
is gribble provably fair? |
| 17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it dun matter what the bet is. |
| 17:22 |
mike_c |
let's say the democrats when the next US pres election |
| 17:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.09975999 = 0.4988 BTC [+] {4} |
| 17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
so what do i do now ? |
| 17:22 |
mike_c |
BB seeds with 0.6, 0.4 |
| 17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ok |
| 17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i think irl bitbet seeds more like .3 .7 bu anyway |
| 17:23 |
mike_c |
now there will be a share price for each one (there are a variety of pricing functions) to buy a share in each outcome |
| 17:23 |
mike_c |
but that share price is an integral |
| 17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, what ? |
| 17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i got 10 btc on the dems right here. i send it to your site. what happens ? |
| 17:23 |
mike_c |
you get x shares of 'dems winning' |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"x" ? |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
scam. |
| 17:24 |
mike_c |
no, it's all math |
| 17:24 |
mike_c |
no scam |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
all math is scam. so what's your x on my 10 btc ? |
| 17:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11113 @ 0.00009487 = 1.0543 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:24 |
mike_c |
you will be able to see when you place your bet. it will say "1 share: 0.1 btc, 1 more share: 0.2 btc, 1 more share: 0.5 btc" |
| 17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
| 17:25 |
Duffer1 |
it sounds like you're trying to dumb it down for noobs by overcomplicating it |
| 17:25 |
Duffer1 |
it = weighting |
| 17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so if i spend 10 btc i get a number of shares you can't specify. wjhat happens next ? |
| 17:25 |
mike_c |
it's basically an algorithmically generated order book for shares in 'dems win' |
| 17:26 |
mike_c |
i can specify, just can't do the integral off the top of my head. |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
algorithmically generated order books aren't used irl |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
guess why. |
| 17:26 |
mike_c |
um. |
| 17:26 |
mike_c |
i give up. |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c so guess dood. weren't you an engineer ? |
| 17:26 |
Vexual |
u can have an algo gen weighting curve tho, dont even need to update faq |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
that was quick ;/ |
| 17:26 |
mike_c |
in my mind it works. i may not be explaining correctly |
| 17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
just guess the value of the integral, it won't kill you .not like it's a binding contract or anything |
| 17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
just a little numerical analysis |
| 17:27 |
mike_c |
ok, lemme figure it. |
| 17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
now he goes all taylor on it i bet |
| 17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
(1st share 1 btc, 2nd share 1.3 btc etc ftr) |
| 17:28 |
mike_c |
if i guess the bridge will fall down when you drive over it. |
| 17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
| 17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
we're trying to see how that'd go atm |
| 17:29 |
mike_c |
m = M1[e^(n\n2) - 1] |
| 17:29 |
mike_c |
gimme a sec :) |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
e ? |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
why not pi. |
| 17:29 |
mike_c |
yes |
| 17:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00239999 = 0.24 BTC [-] |
| 17:32 |
sbp |
Bill Gosper's paper is also at https://www.lri.fr/~filliatr/m1/gol/gosper-84.pdf |
| 17:32 |
sbp |
some C code here, haven't tried it: http://dotat.at/prog/life/hashlife.c |
| 17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352830.0 << check out the paperwork that went into a |
| 17:33 |
ozbot |
Fudda'd by muddafudda |
| 17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
5 ltc dispute |
| 17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
now we know it's the end of the world. |
| 17:34 |
mike_c |
ok ok |
| 17:34 |
mike_c |
wag: you would get about as many shares as 0.7 has (if 0.7 was on dems) |
| 17:35 |
mike_c |
so coming in and dropping 10btc on a bet with only 0.3 on the other side, not so great. |
| 17:35 |
mike_c |
just like bbv1 |
| 17:36 |
mircea_popescu |
bbv1 is neutral on thsi score. if someone buys the other side later it lifts you up |
| 17:36 |
mircea_popescu |
does your thing lift me up ? |
| 17:36 |
mike_c |
as would this. you are buying shares in dems. later, money comes in on reps, your intrinsic share value goes up |
| 17:36 |
mircea_popescu |
aite, so let's try it. since you're somehow decided it must be 0.1s for some reason, i put 0.5 on dems. what's that do ? |
| 17:37 |
mike_c |
you get half as many as the 0.7 has |
| 17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
so i get 5, say. |
| 17:38 |
mike_c |
um, 3.5 to his 7, yes |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ok. now, i come and put 0.7 on dems. what's this do ? |
| 17:38 |
mike_c |
you get like 1 share |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
aite. so dems side is now 3 (opresumably) + 3.5 + .95 shares |
| 17:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07012307 = 0.9116 BTC [-] {5} |
| 17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
and .3 + .5 + .7 = 1.5 btc |
| 17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
right ? |
| 17:40 |
mike_c |
er, heres my math: shares: (7 + 3.5 + 1) = 11.5 shares (0.7 + 0.5 + 0.7) = 1.9 btc on dems |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
o o ok i see. i mixed the .3 and .7 aite |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so now obama comes and dumps 10 btc on reps. cause he's hedging. |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
how many shares does this buy him ? |
| 17:44 |
mike_c |
~40 |
| 17:44 |
mike_c |
with BB having seeded 3 shares |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
aite. |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
now, the reps lose, obviously. |
| 17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you split the 10.3 ? |
| 17:45 |
mike_c |
company decision. it can be done so that all the money is split, or only the losers money. |
| 17:45 |
mike_c |
er, so you said the losers |
| 17:47 |
mike_c |
0.7 early -> 6.26 0.5 mid -> 3.13 0.7 late -> 0.9 |
| 17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
even if these could be within five minutes of each other ? |
| 17:48 |
mike_c |
yes. that's the beauty. |
| 17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
so any new bet is basically a landrush to buy the early shares ? |
| 17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
basically to extract value out of this scheme all you need to know is your avg volume |
| 17:49 |
mike_c |
not exactly. the bet should always, throughout its lifetime, float around its current probability |
| 17:49 |
mike_c |
and if you see an imbalance, you are incented to act quickly |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
but if i know that a certain bet will reach say 200 btc total wagered |
| 17:50 |
mike_c |
whereas right now an imbalance means nothing |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
then as long as the odds are 10:1 or less i am safe buying 10 btc each side, cheap shares |
| 17:50 |
mike_c |
first off, that is currently the situation with BB. betting early on a high volume bet is a guaranteed win. |
| 17:51 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated: crypto-auction! https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/KNkFS_34P_I/RQmpPTkP2tcJ |
| 17:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00090244 = 13.1305 BTC [-] |
| 17:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.0248 = 0.992 BTC [-] |
| 17:51 |
mike_c |
but shares do not devalue with time in this scheme. |
| 17:51 |
mike_c |
that is, say the situation went differently. |
| 17:51 |
mike_c |
0.7 on dems, then 10 on reps |
| 17:51 |
mike_c |
now i can buy profitable dem shares again |
| 17:51 |
mike_c |
and am incented to do so quickly, before someone else does |
| 17:52 |
mike_c |
so the right time to bet is when i feel the odds are wrong, which isn't really the case right now |
| 17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose i send 1 btc, ion the reps, and discover i didn't get 8 shares but .7 because someone put 10btc in 10 minutes before me. |
| 17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i now go to the forum and open a scam thread, saying you put the 10 btc |
| 17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you do ? |
| 17:53 |
mike_c |
you basically put in a limit order. "buy up to 10btc of shares at up to 0.2 each" |
| 17:54 |
mike_c |
nobody unhappy, because if that whale gets in before you, you just don't get filled |
| 17:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21331 @ 0.00090148 = 19.2295 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:54 |
mike_c |
and now you bet the other side. |
| 17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
| 17:54 |
mike_c |
it's right. i feel it. i'll build a simulation. |
| 17:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00089511 = 0.8951 BTC [-] |
| 17:55 |
mike_c |
unless something seems way off to you. like the idea of putting in a limit order. |
| 17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i just gave an example |
| 17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you do in that case ? |
| 17:58 |
mike_c |
you have to refund I guess. I'm on bitbet, i say "i want 10btc of dems at up to 0.2 per share". You generate an address and in your DB mark it as a limit order at 0.2. if you can only fill 5btc of it you have to send the other 5 back.. |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
this will be a pain to run. |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
moving on : how do you sort within a block ? |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
say both me and kako send in block 275000. who goes in first ? |
| 18:00 |
mike_c |
yes.. well, JD creamed satoshi-dice because having an account has advantages :) |
| 18:00 |
mike_c |
lemme think on sorting. |
| 18:00 |
mike_c |
same block, sort by bet time? |
| 18:00 |
thestrin1puller |
mircea_popescu: when you retrieve depth stat and matches to json stat, no? So is it possibly to just take current top ask/bid depth value and translate it into market buy or market sell? |
| 18:00 |
thestrin1puller |
i'm sure this has been asked before so I apologize |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
well sure it is, bash/python/we you use |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c the time value is iffy |
| 18:01 |
mike_c |
i meant bet time on BitBet, but you reuse addresses, so you won't always have that. |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
(depending who mines the block the same exact tx can end up with diff timestamps) |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
like say pool x could mine me before kako, and pool y could mine kako before me |
| 18:02 |
mike_c |
ah, block time isn't dependable? |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
in the best case is "when we heard the tx" |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
or, what the node that told us the tx said |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
or, what the user making the tx said the time was |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
or we |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the blockchain exists in the first place because time isnt reliable. |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise we'd just use timestamps |
| 18:04 |
mike_c |
this may not be possible without accounts.. which i guess makes it no good for BB. |
| 18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you time accounts ? |
| 18:05 |
mike_c |
i mean like having balances on BB |
| 18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
even so ? |
| 18:05 |
mike_c |
ala JD |
| 18:05 |
mike_c |
then its the same as mpex |
| 18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
jd isn't a mega concurrency engine. ppl bet the house |
| 18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
that may be a little expensive to make. |
| 18:06 |
mike_c |
except the order of magnitude is lower |
| 18:06 |
thestrin1puller |
;;ticker |
| 18:06 |
gribble |
MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 740.0, Best ask: 743.28947, Bid-ask spread: 3.28947, Last trade: 740.0, 24 hour volume: 40151.84292354, 24 hour low: 714.11, 24 hour high: 928.0, 24 hour vwap: 800.48436 |
| 18:06 |
mike_c |
so it doesn't need to be mpex |
| 18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
honestly i dun see myself using it, sounds like a sort of bettrade w/e that thing was called, except with a perhaps very broken auto-mm tacked on |
| 18:08 |
mike_c |
the mm is just a help to see what you're getting. |
| 18:09 |
mike_c |
similar to the calculator on BB right now |
| 18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
if you're gonna do that may as well just make it the thing, let people trade shares. |
| 18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
or for that matter invest in zh's darling, i forget what it was called. |
| 18:09 |
thestrin1puller |
mircea_popescu: on "stat" call |
| 18:09 |
thestrin1puller |
do you get back every transaction you've ever made? |
| 18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
since last stat. |
| 18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
or an hour prior or something like that |
| 18:09 |
Bunnyh |
how about sorting bets in the same block by creation time of betting addresses? |
| 18:10 |
thestrin1puller |
oh wow |
| 18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
Bunnyh he wants accts i thought |
| 18:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8026 @ 0.00089501 = 7.1834 BTC [-] {2} |
| 18:11 |
mike_c |
if it can be done without accts, all the better. just sorting incoming bets is the problem. |
| 18:11 |
mike_c |
and the fact that you would need to potentially return money. |
| 18:11 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: so for the "average" mpex user they would need to call stat evert "blah" hours and keep a log of all of them to record every trade/transaction they've made on mpex no? |
| 18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and the fact that you will need a very solid api or nobody will mm it. |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
bbet's interface is very simple by design, but your thing would be sort-of like the rpc call of all time |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller they can call it once a month |
| 18:12 |
thestringpuller |
but they would need a "stat.log" or something? |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
well w/e they wish to use |
| 18:12 |
jurov |
that |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, if they want to store data they;ll need a filesystem or some other similar implement |
| 18:13 |
thestringpuller |
of course, but the user has to record, mpex doesn't have SoR |
| 18:13 |
jurov |
thas's why pympex logs by default |
| 18:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.045 = 1.08 BTC [-] |
| 18:13 |
thestringpuller |
yea, but I was seeing how the user could see more of their trades in a gui |
| 18:13 |
thestringpuller |
like a large table |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
in principle a good client logs. |
| 18:14 |
thestringpuller |
and stat only shows recent, was seeing if the user would be the SoR |
| 18:14 |
thestringpuller |
if so then user would load previous logs into new client |
| 18:14 |
thestringpuller |
then have all trade data for that account |
| 18:15 |
mike_c |
if this were a simple problem we wouldn't be talking about it. simple designs are great, but limiting. |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
no argument. |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
still, we use http and tcp/ip |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
we don't use windows or macos |
| 18:17 |
mike_c |
yeah, i just feel like we're talking about tcp KEEP_ALIVE and deciding it's too complicated :) even tcp is complicated. |
| 18:18 |
mike_c |
i'll think on it some more. and can maybe explain more clearly. |
| 18:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2599 = 0.7797 BTC [+] {2} |
| 18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
tcp ios kinda complicated... |
| 18:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.0008963 = 11.383 BTC [+] |
| 18:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 895 @ 0.00240374 = 2.1513 BTC [+] {3} |
| 18:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25414444 = 2.2873 BTC [-] {4} |
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| 19:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18059 @ 0.00089789 = 16.215 BTC [+] {2} |
| 19:07 |
pankkake |
looks like bitcoin-central is goxed |
| 19:09 |
turbo_ac100 |
hey mircea_popescu, do you want to make someone make a firefox search engine plugin for bitbet? Imagine asigning keyword bb and just 'bb bfl' would CREATE fun - or at least find it. |
| 19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe not such a bad idea |
| 19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
<pankkake> looks like bitcoin-central is goxed << hi davout |
| 19:10 |
dub |
guys |
| 19:10 |
dub |
everyone chill the fuck out |
| 19:11 |
dub |
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12154966/1/five-ways-to-fix-bitcoin.html |
| 19:11 |
ozbot |
Five Ways to Fix Bitcoin - TheStreet |
| 19:11 |
turbo_ac100 |
should be half an hour of work max: mycroft project is your friend http://mycroftproject.com/search-engines.html |
| 19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
wow dub ty for saving the day |
| 19:11 |
dub |
this has to be satire right? |
| 19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
unintentional, but yes. |
| 19:12 |
pankkake |
"Select images for those bitcoin printings that convey respect and prestige globally, perhaps the portraits of American presidents" unintentional? |
| 19:12 |
davout |
pankkake: wat |
| 19:12 |
dub |
5 wayz to fux buttcoin, make it into USD |
| 19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
since when does the set of us presidents convey respek or prestige ? |
| 19:12 |
pankkake |
davout: oh it's back. it was showing 0€ no trades |
| 19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
dub that's thinking outsidda da box yo |
| 19:12 |
dub |
they are people that other people have or would liek to shoot at duh |
| 19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
dub thb they look kinda like the presidents of all failed european colonies. |
| 19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
new zealand, rhodesia, name your pick |
| 19:13 |
davout |
pankkake: that happens when the front has loaded, but it' still waiting for the api to answer |
| 19:13 |
davout |
pankkake: in other words when we're goxxed |
| 19:13 |
davout |
xD |
| 19:13 |
pankkake |
hehe |
| 19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lawl |
| 19:13 |
pankkake |
so much volume, can't handle it! |
| 19:13 |
dub |
too popular |
| 19:13 |
davout |
fuck yes |
| 19:13 |
davout |
such volume |
| 19:13 |
dub |
such success |
| 19:13 |
pankkake |
that's what you get for using ruby |
| 19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
confucius say : he who fuck yes is yay. |
| 19:14 |
davout |
i use ruby |
| 19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
no, ruby uses you. |
| 19:14 |
davout |
in the berlusconi way |
| 19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
btw, who's berlusconi's latest gf ? |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
did he move off the twelve year old ? |
| 19:15 |
davout |
some random inmate i presume |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
wait he;'s in jale ? |
| 19:15 |
davout |
dunno |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
is an Italian politician, entrepreneur, media tycoon, frequent criminal defendant and convicted tax evader who served three times as Prime Minister of Italy |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds like that place. |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
In November 2010, teenage Moroccan belly dancer and alleged prostitute Karima El Mahroug (better known as "Ruby Rubacuori") claimed to have been given $10,000 by Berlusconi at parties at his private villas. The girl told prosecutors in Milan that these events were like orgies where Berlusconi and 20 young women performed an African-style ritual known as the "bunga bunga" in the nude. |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
aha! |
| 19:17 |
kakobrekla |
such spread |
| 19:17 |
turbo_ac100 |
"Select images for those bitcoin printings that convey respect and prestige globally, perhaps the portraits of American presidents." o_O |
| 19:17 |
davout |
i always want to make yo mamma jokes when someone mentions a wide spread |
| 19:18 |
asciilifeform |
anyone remember the american politician with the 'wide stance' ? |
| 19:18 |
dub |
palin? |
| 19:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00296998 = 0.1336 BTC [+] {4} |
| 19:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal |
| 19:18 |
ozbot |
Larry Craig scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 19:18 |
kakobrekla |
"yo mama has such spread its useful for such spread joke" |
| 19:19 |
kakobrekla |
liek dat? |
| 19:19 |
dub |
so humerus |
| 19:22 |
davout |
kakobrekla: something like that |
| 19:25 |
dub |
woot passed 200 pages in my document that nobody will read! |
| 19:26 |
benkay |
what document, dub? |
| 19:27 |
kakobrekla |
dont read it or else he will have to start over |
| 19:27 |
dub |
PoC test for a metro ethernet |
| 19:27 |
dub |
so yes, lots of drawings |
| 19:29 |
benkay |
i love the documents nobody will ever read |
| 19:29 |
dub |
theres only like 25k words so far |
| 19:29 |
benkay |
that'd be one of the reasons i bailed on the semiconductor space |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a girl somewhere in a basement, kinda mousty, kinda cute, with glases and b tits |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
READING ALL THESE |
| 19:34 |
benkay |
so these gpg contracts |
| 19:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17029 @ 0.00089346 = 15.2147 BTC [-] {3} |
| 19:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6371 @ 0.00089323 = 5.6908 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:38 |
benkay |
specifically for MPOE/MPEx, wherein it's laid out that bond deposits must be greater than 100 BTC - what is our overlord's process for updating these contracts to reflect the reality of 50 BTC bond deposits, and how would our overlord advise future contract writers to behave when making similar modifications? |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
there;s 50 btc bond deposits ? |
| 19:39 |
BingoBoingo |
There is an Alphabet Soup Agency Agent right now reading all of Bitcointalk's posts and being pissed that the guy in the neighboring cubicle gets to instead just read the -assets log and follow any linked content. |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
there probably should be 10 btc bond deposits, seeing how the lot got downsized |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo word lol |
| 19:41 |
jurov |
O.o benkay you're writing guidelines for contract writers??? |
| 19:41 |
benkay |
well i'll be damned |
| 19:41 |
kakobrekla |
its an interesting topic |
| 19:42 |
benkay |
nah jurov i'm just wrong about stuff |
| 19:42 |
benkay |
but maybe one day i'll have written a few gpg contracts and can write guidelines for stuff |
| 19:43 |
kakobrekla |
i put the variable part of the contract in a seperate part |
| 19:43 |
jurov |
smickles wrote some |
| 19:43 |
kakobrekla |
i did put |
| 19:43 |
jurov |
i then snatched them |
| 19:43 |
jurov |
and mutilated beyond repair |
| 19:43 |
kakobrekla |
so you end up with 2 docs, one being disposable or whatever |
| 19:43 |
benkay |
o hey mind forwarding your snatch? |
| 19:43 |
benkay |
(el oh el forwarding a snatch) |
| 19:44 |
jurov |
you want to pay smickles too? |
| 19:44 |
benkay |
can't see why i would |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
having a variable part kinda defeats the immutable niceness of gpg |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
immutable niceness kinda defeats being alive |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
rock paper snatch. |
| 19:47 |
kakobrekla |
like deposit addy is defined in X where X is a time limited contract |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
that works yes |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
or like the x.eur settlement works |
| 19:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 515 @ 0.00089806 = 0.4625 BTC [+] |
| 20:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00089979 = 4.9938 BTC [+] |
| 20:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00297397 = 0.2082 BTC [+] |
| 20:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00291245 = 0.1514 BTC [-] {3} |
| 20:08 |
benkay |
!t m nsa |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
Things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun. |
| 20:08 |
benkay |
!h |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
List of commands: |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} |
| 20:08 |
benkay |
!t m snsa |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke. |
| 20:08 |
benkay |
!t mpex snsa |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly. |
| 20:08 |
kakobrekla |
!t m s.nsa |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015066 / 0.00016 (11671 shares, 1.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0001011 / 0.00010918 / 0.00016 (508879 shares, 55.56 BTC) |
| 20:08 |
benkay |
!t mpex nsa |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly. |
| 20:09 |
benkay |
thanks kakobrekla |
| 20:09 |
kakobrekla |
yw |
| 20:09 |
benkay |
!l m s.nsa |
| 20:09 |
assbot |
Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016 BTC [+] |
| 20:11 |
jurov |
!t m x.eur |
| 20:11 |
assbot |
The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy. |
| 20:11 |
wao-ender |
:D |
| 20:11 |
jurov |
!depth m x.eur |
| 20:12 |
jurov |
$depth x.eur |
| 20:12 |
mpexbot |
jurov: X.EUR Bids: ['5000 @ 0.0016245', '2000 @ 0.0016129', '100 @ 0.00153846', '350 @ 0.00147'] |
| 20:12 |
mpexbot |
jurov: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.00209999', '1000 @ 0.00217391', '2000 @ 0.00227272'] |
| 20:12 |
benkay |
i see davout is now posting bids and asks ;) |
| 20:12 |
jurov |
if it's davout |
| 20:13 |
jurov |
in the beginning there was only 2000 bid/ask |
| 20:13 |
jurov |
the 1000/5000 ones are newere |
| 20:13 |
benkay |
well someone |
| 20:13 |
benkay |
davout i think is obligated to maintain a spread |
| 20:14 |
jurov |
that was helluva spread at first |
| 20:14 |
benkay |
hella spreaaaad |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
still kinda wide |
| 20:14 |
jurov |
;;calc 1/0.00209999 |
| 20:14 |
gribble |
476.192743775 |
| 20:14 |
jurov |
;;calc 1/0.00162450 |
| 20:14 |
gribble |
615.574022776 |
| 20:15 |
jurov |
;;bc,convert eur |
| 20:15 |
gribble |
1 BTC = 736.0 USD = 534.9984 eur |
| 20:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04425 = 0.177 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 768 @ 0.00297079 = 2.2816 BTC [+] {4} |
| 20:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.0029708 = 0.3179 BTC [+] |
| 20:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0028505 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 28 minutes ~ |
| 20:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8935 @ 0.00089979 = 8.0396 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2560007 = 0.768 BTC [+] {3} |
| 20:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25233366 = 2.271 BTC [-] {6} |
| 21:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3015 @ 0.00089566 = 2.7004 BTC [-] |
| 21:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12685 @ 0.00089525 = 11.3562 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:02 |
benkay |
"the operators of bitcoin" oh my lols |
| 21:04 |
jborkl |
Sup ladies |
| 21:04 |
benkay |
can't tell if derp or sarcasm |
| 21:05 |
truffles |
hey girls |
| 21:05 |
mike_c |
it should be on coinion, but it's atcually derp. |
| 21:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6221 @ 0.00089318 = 5.5565 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the operators of bitcoin, twisted instigators. |
| 21:19 |
jborkl |
Bitcoin is boring lately, I am going to start trolling to keep myself entertained |
| 21:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00089431 = 14.5773 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 21:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12464 @ 0.00089306 = 11.1311 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1636 @ 0.00089172 = 1.4589 BTC [-] |
| 21:50 |
truffles |
dub the dick |
| 21:50 |
truffles |
lol |
| 21:52 |
dub |
never |
| 21:52 |
truffles |
nim thinks so :p |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 22:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7764 @ 0.00089172 = 6.9233 BTC [-] |
| 22:15 |
pankkake |
my Bernankoin is going along well, finally. preview of the splash screen: http://i.imgur.com/3vshLef.png |
| 22:15 |
pankkake |
just need to tweak the Quantitative Easing function some more |
| 22:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10337 @ 0.0008916 = 9.2165 BTC [-] |
| 22:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.25 = 1.5 BTC [-] |
| 22:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6226 @ 0.00089574 = 5.5769 BTC [+] {2} |
| 22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/16/the-nsa-claims-it-foiled-a-foreign-plot-to-destroy-the-u-s-economy/ |
| 22:28 |
ozbot |
The NSA Claims It Foiled a Foreign Plot to Destroy the U.S. Economy | TheBlaze.com |
| 22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
the bitcoin is foiled! |
| 22:28 |
Apocalyptic |
wtf |
| 22:29 |
truffles |
lmao |
| 22:29 |
truffles |
bitcoin is a terrorist organization |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
pls gib us more monyz, we are not useless. we thwarted a tethan plot to turn the sun pink! |
| 22:29 |
Apocalyptic |
heh |
| 22:30 |
Diablo-D3 |
the market is down to $700 again? heh. |
| 22:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0249 = 0.498 BTC [+] |
| 22:34 |
Ziggy9263 |
Let the lurking begin? |
| 22:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.0249 = 0.4233 BTC [+] |
| 22:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
mining is no longer profitable, stop teh hashzorz! |
| 22:35 |
Apocalyptic |
TAT, don't bother, you're not winning the bet :) |
| 22:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
| 22:35 |
Ziggy9263 |
.bait |
| 22:35 |
ozbot |
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbrbz7hSy71qk6jw7o1_500.jpg |
| 22:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
an american can dream, can't he? |
| 22:36 |
Ziggy9263 |
.bait |
| 22:36 |
ozbot |
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4qn0j7Prn1r9mvn7o1_500.jpg |
| 22:36 |
Ziggy9263 |
.bait |
| 22:36 |
ozbot |
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9as1xK4Wn1rb3lryo1_500.jpg |
| 22:36 |
Ziggy9263 |
.sharkbait |
| 22:36 |
Ziggy9263 |
.oohaha |
| 22:36 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: At what point for you does sabotagine miners become profitable? |
| 22:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
ziggy, yknow you can make out with ozbot in private too |
| 22:37 |
Ziggy9263 |
OH! |
| 22:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dont know what sabotage costs |
| 22:37 |
Ziggy9263 |
I just saw the 500 and assumed it was the same picture... |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
nsa foils plot to destroy us economy! strateegic nyooke levels redmond, wa. please stay out of crater. |
| 22:37 |
Ziggy9263 |
It... Isn't... |
| 22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Well for a pair of shears and the location of the mains power into a mining farm... |
| 22:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
i assume attacking pools would be most disruptive |
| 22:38 |
Apocalyptic |
indeed |
| 22:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
i hear there's an internet main line in cyprus... |
| 22:38 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Well I though you had a bet to win... |
| 22:38 |
fiat500 |
ohai ThickAsThieves |
| 22:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Does NeoBee even hash? |
| 22:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
sup |
| 22:38 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: botnets are already switching from mining to pool ddos. |
| 22:39 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Took them long enough |
| 22:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
neobee gon hash donuwurry nun |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
it's been the case for a while. |
| 22:39 |
Apocalyptic |
asciilifeform, interesting |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
the best sabotage is free. |
| 22:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
i guess i need more hacker friends |
| 22:41 |
Ziggy9263 |
ThickAsThieves: So do I. I need to hack more often, too. |
| 22:41 |
Ziggy9263 |
I only ever do it at school, lol. |
| 22:42 |
Ziggy9263 |
But really, once I have admin on the computer I'm on and free, unblocked internet, at school, then I'm all good, no need to hack more, lol. |
| 22:42 |
Ziggy9263 |
But if I were to ever make it downtown to the ISD's office... |
| 22:43 |
asciilifeform |
there's more to life than an uncensored net connection. |
| 22:43 |
Ziggy9263 |
I'd keep a livecd and a rat with me... |
| 22:43 |
Ziggy9263 |
asciilifeform: That's where the admin power comes in, but only for the local computer... Which is nice. |
| 22:43 |
Ziggy9263 |
Windows... |
| 22:44 |
Ziggy9263 |
I know the password of one of my teachers, and so I log in, open up the console, add my admin account, log out and back into the account, and then I'm all good... After that, I just proxy on over to my server and then watch youtube videos all class period. |
| 22:44 |
Ziggy9263 |
And go onto IRC. |
| 22:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16067 @ 0.00089114 = 14.3179 BTC [-] {3} |
| 22:46 |
Ziggy9263 |
asciilifeform: I have a question for you... |
| 22:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1633 @ 0.00089027 = 1.4538 BTC [-] |
| 22:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MG] 1337 @ 0.00010339 = 0.1382 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.NSA] 1337 @ 0.00012 = 0.1604 BTC [-] |
| 22:46 |
asciilifeform |
prof at my uni, years ago, peeking at a kid's laptop: 'if you play net poker during my lecture, at least have the decency to win.' |
| 22:46 |
Apocalyptic |
heh |
| 22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 22:46 |
Ziggy9263 |
asciilifeform: Internic Network... Reminds me of Uplink... You ever played it? |
| 22:47 |
asciilifeform |
? |
| 22:47 |
Ziggy9263 |
Never played it? |
| 22:48 |
asciilifeform |
i've never 'played' times square, or the bering strait, or nato, either |
| 22:48 |
asciilifeform |
how do you 'play' internic? |
| 22:48 |
Ziggy9263 |
asciilifeform: I asked if you'd played Uplink, sir. |
| 22:49 |
Ziggy9263 |
asciilifeform: The game by introversion software. |
| 22:49 |
asciilifeform |
nope. |
| 22:49 |
Ziggy9263 |
Okay then, nevermind... |
| 22:49 |
asciilifeform |
played 'core wars' though. |
| 22:49 |
asciilifeform |
recommended. |
| 22:49 |
Ziggy9263 |
Ahahaha! |
| 22:50 |
Ziggy9263 |
core wars... |
| 22:50 |
Ziggy9263 |
I played it a little, had to format my computer before I could really get into it, though. |
| 22:50 |
Ziggy9263 |
Do you also lurk in #osdev? |
| 22:50 |
asciilifeform |
nope. |
| 22:50 |
Ziggy9263 |
Ok. Just wondering, because your name seemed familiar... |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i played nato. |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it's kinda boring |
| 22:53 |
HaltingState |
Ziggy9263, i love uplink |
| 22:54 |
Ziggy9263 |
I love it, too. |
| 22:54 |
dub |
https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/412769258771189761 |
| 22:54 |
ozbot |
Twitter / StephenAtHome: TONIGHT: "The NSA is spying ... |
| 22:54 |
Ziggy9263 |
I want to get a tablet just so I can play it on the tablet, lol. |
| 22:54 |
mod6 |
corewars++ |
| 22:55 |
Ziggy9263 |
And corewars is cool, too. |
| 22:55 |
Ziggy9263 |
Any of you ever heard of PSDoom? |
| 22:58 |
Ziggy9263 |
No? |
| 23:03 |
truffles |
dub heard about that lol |
| 23:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Anyone here see that Scheier is getting pushed out of his "Security Futurist" job at BT? |
| 23:03 |
truffles |
and how there are so many narcs theyre running into each other lol |
| 23:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Everyone is a narc when exposed to rectothermal threats |
| 23:05 |
asciilifeform |
'hey torquemada! what do you say? - i just got back from the auto-da-fe!' |
| 23:05 |
truffles |
;;ud rectothermal |
| 23:05 |
gribble |
Google found nothing. |
| 23:06 |
truffles |
;;google rectothermal |
| 23:06 |
gribble |
Schneier on Security: Norbt: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/norbt.html>; Loper OS » Practical Cryptoanalysis of Elliptic Curve DSA.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061>; Amazon Vows To Fight Government Requests For Data - Slashdot: <http://slashdot.org/story/13/06/19/2238212/amazon-vows-to-fight-government-requests-for-data> |
| 23:06 |
truffles |
wtf does that mean! |
| 23:06 |
asciilifeform |
looks like i might be responsible for throwing that into the english-speaking world. |
| 23:07 |
bloctoc |
;;ud rectum |
| 23:07 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rectum | Rectum. Arsehole; anus; poop chute; where thy loafs become pinched. The place where excretement is expelled from the body in a glorius flexing of thy muscles ... |
| 23:07 |
ozbot |
Urban Dictionary: rectum |
| 23:07 |
truffles |
so its like a probe but with pcs ? |
| 23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: You did indeed |
| 23:08 |
BingoBoingo |
truffles: It is a soldering iron in the pooper |
| 23:08 |
truffles |
what human would do that |
| 23:08 |
BingoBoingo |
truffles: A human who really wants another human's secrets |
| 23:10 |
truffles |
thats no longer a human to me |
| 23:10 |
truffles |
or at least not a sane one |
| 23:10 |
jborkl |
Well I guess it depends on if it is on or off |
| 23:10 |
asciilifeform |
what's the sane thing to do? ask the enemy nicely? |
| 23:11 |
BingoBoingo |
truffles: Maybe not a person. Human though merely implies species, not the worth of any particular member of the species. |
| 23:11 |
asciilifeform |
that's normally done first, in any case. |
| 23:11 |
asciilifeform |
'1st degree of the extraordinary question: shown the instruments.' |
| 23:11 |
truffles |
torture works on the weak sure |
| 23:12 |
truffles |
true believers i dunno |
| 23:12 |
truffles |
and most ppl wouldve already spilled |
| 23:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00089712 = 44.4972 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:12 |
asciilifeform |
choice was whether to spill before or after the smell of sizzling arse fills the room. |
| 23:13 |
fiat500 |
BingoBoingo: BT? |
| 23:14 |
BingoBoingo |
fiat500: The telecom he work/s/ed for |
| 23:14 |
fiat500 |
he works for a british telecom? |
| 23:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC |
| 23:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Seems like it |
| 23:14 |
fiat500 |
wtf |
| 23:14 |
fiat500 |
thats insane |
| 23:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, it goes well with the he was a government collaborator theory... |
| 23:15 |
fiat500 |
the brits are so much worse about personal privacy than the US |
| 23:15 |
fiat500 |
eh, interesting conspiracy theory |
| 23:15 |
truffles |
what did he collaborate?? |
| 23:15 |
fiat500 |
where is this news? |
| 23:17 |
BingoBoingo |
fiat500: This is just a tabloid source, but http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/nsa-surveillance-critic-bruce-schneier-to-leave-post-at-bt/ |
| 23:18 |
fiat500 |
ars is a tabloid now? |
| 23:18 |
BingoBoingo |
fiat500: it kind of has been for a while\ |
| 23:19 |
fiat500 |
oh, he was acqui-hired |
| 23:19 |
fiat500 |
that makes more sense to me |
| 23:19 |
BingoBoingo |
And now he's Departe-fired |
| 23:19 |
fiat500 |
lol, nice play on words |
| 23:20 |
truffles |
"BT has been fingered by The Guardian" hmm |
| 23:25 |
deego |
Did BT like it? |
| 23:26 |
truffles |
prob not |
| 23:26 |
deego |
Fingered by its own Guardian. That's some serious abuse. :( |
| 23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
hahahaha |
| 23:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC [+] |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
some fucktard is trying to sell me some amazon bitcoin bible |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"over 200 pages the book describes easy to understand, but in depth all the |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
wide-ranging aspects of Bitcoins" |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
written by a bunch of tards i never heard of. |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this world coming to |
| 23:46 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I'd be more disturbed if they weren't selling it. |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess niels bohr also got fliers in the mail about this new way to learn all there's tio know about neutrinos |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
written by our entreprising if dimwitted friends across the pond |
| 23:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course |
| 23:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
lets IPO a book |
| 23:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
the history of bitcoin |
| 23:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
itll just be the IRC log |
| 23:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00089772 = 8.1693 BTC [+] |
| 23:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
this the ending for it. |
| 23:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
fin. |
| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you know mty logs of this chan are > 50mb |
| 23:51 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno Paper gets expensive |
| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
that's roughly 10`000 pages. |
| 23:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
an e-book then! |
| 23:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
even scammier |
| 23:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's an epic history after all |
| 23:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
much drama and tragedy |
| 23:53 |
Bugpowder |
just thru chapter 3 |
| 23:53 |
mircea_popescu |
tbh i think the "only 200 pages" is a selling point. |
| 23:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe we need to hire a shakespeare to bibleize the storys |
| 23:54 |
mircea_popescu |
storeys |
| 23:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
sry storees |
| 23:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
parables n whatnot |
| 23:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
Mircea 5:12 |
| 23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
to invest or not, is it wiser in the purse to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous povertah |
| 23:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
| 23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
or take arms against a sea of ipos and in scamtagging end them! |
| 23:55 |
fiat500 |
and lo, mircea said unto thee, insert coins to continue reading |
| 23:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02499995 = 0.125 BTC [+] |