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00:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 766 @ 0.00222492 = 1.7043 BTC [-] {17}
00:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1010 @ 0.001 = 1.01 BTC
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00:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00090477 = 31.486 BTC [+]
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01:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00090477 = 23.2978 BTC [+]
01:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19945 @ 0.00090493 = 18.0488 BTC [+] {3}
01:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12554 @ 0.00090562 = 11.3692 BTC [+]
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01:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88900 @ 0.00090571 = 80.5176 BTC [+] {2}
01:47 copumpkin wow
01:47 copumpkin someone's bullish on MPOE :)
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02:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.24428999 = 2.4429 BTC [-] {3}
02:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.24158949 = 4.8318 BTC [-] {8}
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02:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00090306 = 43.2566 BTC [-] {2}
02:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.24 = 0.48 BTC [-] {2}
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03:31 thestringpuller hashtag mod6
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03:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17090 @ 0.00090359 = 15.4424 BTC [+] {2}
03:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5540 @ 0.00090324 = 5.0039 BTC [-]
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04:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00090309 = 12.5078 BTC [-] {3}
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04:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.25220829 = 6.5574 BTC [+] {7}
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05:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15541 @ 0.0009023 = 14.0226 BTC [-]
05:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.26762999 = 2.6763 BTC [+] {4}
05:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2677 BTC [+]
05:06 Vexual will these kids know if i buy finely hopped beer instead of vet treatment for my cancerous canine with my doge profits?
05:08 assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P140T] 8 @ 0.11570692 = 0.9257 BTC [+]
05:11 assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P125T] 11 @ 0.08898885 = 0.9789 BTC [+]
05:20 Vexual a new wave of crypto kids
05:21 Vexual perhaps a new block viewer instance
05:25 Vexual http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27hq6_warren-g-regulators_music
05:25 Vexual hahhaha
05:32 Vexual what a week its been
05:34 Vexual honestly im scared to sell any bitcoin incae the foundation says i dont have enough to send
05:34 Vexual foundation is getting everyone ready for 9..
05:34 Vexual dogecoin happened
05:35 Vexual 12000 reserve banks made statements about bitcoin, where the sum total of the info was no
05:35 Vexual ne
05:35 Vexual and i got arrested
05:37 Vexual just drunk and disorderly tho, so its hardly news
05:40 Vexual so despite my interlude with toothless father stabbers and seemingly comatose quiet lovers, i still didnt make it to an airport to buy fortune for future signature
05:41 Duffer1 assbot is a good listener bro
05:41 Vexual silly duffer
05:41 Duffer1 <3
05:41 Vexual <3
05:43 Vexual i guess cuba is still a dream
05:43 Duffer1 what's in cuba?
05:43 Duffer1 so you were on your way to cuba but got too drunk instead then got picked up by the cops?
05:44 Vexual no i was fairly in my own house believe it or not
05:45 Duffer1 ouch
05:46 Vexual i goty lippy and was assisted on to public property where i duly remained lippy knowing the extent of the facism
05:46 Duffer1 man that shit should be illegal
05:46 Vexual u new?
05:46 Duffer1 ha no just lucky, and quiet
05:47 Vexual me too, now
05:49 Duffer1 anyone underage on your property?
05:49 Duffer1 when i happened i mean
05:49 Duffer1 it
05:49 Vexual fuck no
05:50 Duffer1 good man
05:50 Vexual lol
05:50 Vexual just me no bail
05:50 Vexual just the drunk tank
05:51 Duffer1 you were alone? i just assumed you threw a party
05:51 Vexual noone came
05:51 Duffer1 how do you get drunk n disorderly from you own home, alone?
05:51 Vexual did you say how often?
05:53 BingoBoingo "Disorderly" is merely legal speak for "We don't much like you"
05:58 Vexual finished work? yeah, i do computer stuff
06:03 Vexual i had you pegged as a musician
06:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7961 @ 0.00090294 = 7.1883 BTC [+]
06:04 Vexual bella, pour the drinks
06:06 Vexual got a dollar for the junkbox?
06:06 Vexual my eyes are up here
06:08 Vexual you're cybering yourself
06:08 Vexual shhhhh
06:13 Vexual no handel?
06:14 Duffer1 assbot doesn't give very good text though :(
06:14 Vexual i dunno, i like to see those coins moving
06:15 Duffer1 she's just so robotic about it, hard to get into it you know
06:16 Vexual i always felt assbot was masculine
06:17 Duffer1 we may never know for sure
06:17 b0n1 hey there! I try to export trading data from bitstamp with sierracharts but strangely i get inhomogenous time steps
06:17 Vexual i think if a bot is female, one knows
06:17 b0n1 that means i have a measurement point at t and the next is at t+x and the other next is at t+y with x=!y
06:18 b0n1 really strange
06:18 b0n1 someone made similar experience?
06:18 Vexual i felt the milk out for a time step that left in inhomogenous
06:19 Duffer1 try searching bitcointalk forums, there's good spreadsheet tips around there
06:26 Vexual u might want to hit up the work forums about taking spreadsheet skills off your resume too
06:26 Vexual *word
06:28 jurov SPREADSHEET KILLS
06:28 Vexual dont they
06:28 Vexual when you atart to need macros, geesh
06:29 BingoBoingo Csv, Ftw!
06:29 Vexual so no handel?
06:30 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU-vdq7QxvY
06:30 ozbot Bingo Bango - Basement Jaxx - YouTube
06:30 Vexual can i get some $2 coins and the snooker balls?
06:30 Vexual just 8 ball
06:31 Vexual bottom shelf, there, thats it, way down low, mick said it was okay
06:32 Vexual u never played snooker?
06:33 Vexual well u bend it like beckham, thanks for the coins
06:37 BingoBoingo Usually I just play 8 ball
06:38 Vexual 8 ball is goode
06:39 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkwD5rQ-_d4
06:39 ozbot The Toadies - Possum Kingdom - YouTube
06:46 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mns9VeRguys&noredirect=1
06:46 ozbot Bob Dylan - Duquesne Whistle - YouTube
06:49 Duffer1 bob dylan - brownsville girl
06:50 Vexual still one song left on $2
06:52 Vexual kako should make a junkox bot
06:53 Vexual pay to play
06:57 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bS-YnLf4s
06:57 ozbot Flight Facilities - Crave you Feat. Giselle [Official Video] - YouTube
06:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00090447 = 52.3688 BTC [+] {3}
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07:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00090164 = 27.6353 BTC [-] {3}
07:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC
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07:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.03474022 = 0.8685 BTC [-] {7}
07:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00220371 = 0.119 BTC [-] {2}
07:50 azoo is this havelock company legit?
07:51 BingoBoingo azoo: Looking less like it every day
07:52 azoo BingoBoingo: why
07:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 277 @ 0.00221 = 0.6122 BTC [+] {2}
07:53 BingoBoingo azoo: Check http://logs.bitcoin-assets.com
07:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.0022 = 0.33 BTC [-] {3}
07:54 Duffer1 none of the assets they offer have come close to matching btc itself
07:54 Duffer1 most of their offers haven't even started paying divs
07:54 Duffer1 it's like a bitcoin blackhole
07:54 mircea_popescu azoo no havelock company is legit,
07:54 mircea_popescu havelock itself is run as a scam by scammers.
07:55 Duffer1 like a bitcoin cocain straw, your money is their blow
07:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00220955 = 0.1635 BTC [+] {2}
07:56 azoo to matching btc istself.. what do you mean by that?
07:56 azoo mircea_popescu: can you back this by some facts?
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07:57 Duffer1 the appreciation of bitcoin in fiat outpaced value appreciation of all of havelocks offerings
07:57 Duffer1 by a mile, it's not even close
07:57 mircea_popescu azoo sure. they reorganised as a entity run by "no one", recently. after which they allowed their largest company (virtex) to simply walk away from the investors
07:57 mircea_popescu collected >4k btc this year, paid no dividends, is now gone.
07:58 Apocalyptic mircea, but you can have real shares now !
07:58 mircea_popescu otherwise, the statistical argument Duffer1 presents is sound. they never had a company that made investors a profit, and statisticallty they're batting the usual global scam exchange, -50% in 1/2 year.
07:58 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic for any value of real that equals worthless.
07:58 Apocalyptic i'm just trolling
07:58 mircea_popescu oiknow :)
07:59 azoo mircea_popescu: i am also considering (your?) mpoex site but its less obvious what is what:-)
07:59 azoo mircea_popescu: is mpoex a scam as well
07:59 azoo ?
07:59 mircea_popescu so read the contracts or w/e.
08:00 mircea_popescu no.
08:00 mircea_popescu also it's MPEx.
08:00 Apocalyptic azoo, you're mixing 2 things up, there's no mpoex but mpex and mpoe
08:01 mircea_popescu but to give you a proper sense of proportion : when s.dice delisted from mpex, it was actually announced it got sold off, rather than lie about it a la havelock. and then mpex investors got paid on the delisting.
08:01 mircea_popescu this was someting a degree of magnitude larger, too.
08:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03099999 = 0.124 BTC [-]
08:02 azi_ can someone paste the recent chat I got DC'ed
08:02 mircea_popescu because as far as bitcoin finance is concerned, mpex is now and always was a hefty 90% of it.
08:02 mircea_popescu azi_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/
08:02 azi_ last thing I got was someone saying I am confusing somethig
08:02 azi_ good
08:04 azi_ mircea_popescu: thanks. can you explain what this S.NSA thing is?
08:04 mircea_popescu it's a company trying to make various gizmos. currently working on a gpg secure usb stick
08:04 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/category/snsa/ << you can read that set
08:04 ozbot S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:05 KRS|Gotyawallet Check out this dual chip miner https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355268.20
08:05 KRS|Gotyawallet i like S.NSA
08:06 mircea_popescu "It is possible to do scrypt with a fpga, so that implies asic is possible too."
08:07 mircea_popescu kinda funny
08:07 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/665/litecoin-ltc-to-over-1b-market-cap-before/ << lmao srsly ?
08:07 ozbot BitBet - LiteCoin (LTC) to over $1B market cap before Jan 15
08:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
08:08 mircea_popescu altcoins worth more than most us businesses now ?
08:08 Apocalyptic coblee must be in heaven
08:08 mircea_popescu defo. he premined a lot ?
08:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15083 @ 0.00090484 = 13.6477 BTC [+] {2}
08:09 Duffer1 696m that's impressive
08:09 Apocalyptic ~10%
08:09 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I believe the reading from this spring was he an Artforz were GPU mining on launch, so not pre-mining but something similar.
08:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i know, i know. just pushing teh button a little :)
08:09 KRS|Gotyawallet yes i think asic is possible too
08:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12517 @ 0.00090574 = 11.3371 BTC [+]
08:10 KRS|Gotyawallet not sure if they would have to use a jit translation before prossessing or not though
08:11 BingoBoingo I'm just impressed how quickly people for got it. Like people forgot SolidCoin was a thing RealSolid did. Or that Vircurex was "hacked" twice and now wants to pay interest on deposits...
08:11 mircea_popescu asic is not efficient, not really, cause you'll need to add memory bus and a bunch of clocking and so on
08:11 mircea_popescu fpga + ram much better solution
08:11 mircea_popescu unless you own a foundry, anyway.
08:11 Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, that amazes me as well
08:11 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's not that anyone forgot. it's that nobody of the idiots going for such things makes it long enough
08:11 mircea_popescu so it's always new people falling for the scams.
08:12 Duffer1 and foreigners
08:12 KRS|Gotyawallet heres another lawl https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1397.0
08:13 BingoBoingo I'm actually amazed by how often I'll run into people on lesser channels who have been trying to make milk come out of faucets for months then emerge after having done no reading for a year to ask "Why do faucets pay less?"
08:13 KRS|Gotyawallet Here's the part that gets me: The proof-of-work would be switched to the signature of our private key and we would set up a server to produce one block every 2 minutes.
08:14 mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet where's that ?
08:14 KRS|Gotyawallet i pasted the linke ^^
08:14 mircea_popescu lol bitsharestalk ? srsly ?
08:14 KRS|Gotyawallet reading the rags
08:15 mircea_popescu lmao. fucktard.
08:15 mircea_popescu "1) Mining based upon resource consumption results in centralization."
08:15 mircea_popescu noob puts on pope hat, makes blood-curdingly stupid general statement with all the authority of stupidity.
08:16 mircea_popescu anyway, to get back to the prev point, the way it usually works is like this : muppet (usually young, ambitious, socially marginal character) finds out about bitcoin.
08:16 Duffer1 ha
08:16 mircea_popescu within a day he's bouight some, and spends the next few days not sleeping enough and reading bullshit sources a la reddit.
08:16 mircea_popescu within a week he's put most of his available cash into it, and is getting to a manic phase
08:17 mircea_popescu consider : http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/#c2087
08:17 mircea_popescu so by now he's ripe for the plunder. makes some "investments" on the power of social proof, gets raped, gets depressed and gets to hear from all the (few) people in his life about how he failed again
08:18 mircea_popescu after all, he ain't socially marginal for nothing, he's socially marginal because he has mental habits that don't promote success.
08:18 mircea_popescu and that's all, it took three weeks. next month, new guy hears about bitcoin.
08:18 BingoBoingo Lol, Maybe someone ought to sell Lithium Soda for BTC
08:18 mircea_popescu except he wouldn't take it.
08:18 mircea_popescu mpoe-pr sells lithium soda. our noob is more likely to ignore her.
08:21 Duffer1 and they don't even know you're actually trying to help them by paying her to do it
08:21 mircea_popescu well some figure it out eventually.
08:25 mircea_popescu upon rereading, KRS|Gotyawallet you realise "lmao fucktard" didn't mean you but the quoted kid.
08:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 56 @ 0.00250035 = 0.14 BTC [-] {5}
08:30 KRS|Gotyawallet yeh
08:30 mircea_popescu internets be misinterpretable i tell ya.
08:30 mircea_popescu so, pre-announcement :
08:31 mircea_popescu mpoe-pr just completed a 3 month long project of going through the forum and picking out the places where she called out a scam, people called her fud and then it turned out she was right.
08:31 mircea_popescu it's like a mile long, and i;ll be publishing it soon.
08:31 KRS|Gotyawallet People are going to continue to get hurt here.
08:31 Apocalyptic heh, nice
08:31 mircea_popescu so prepare a large mug of coffee, set your poppers to poppin' corn etc.
08:32 Duffer1 i hope you inlude that xxxprofit guy lol man.. what balls
08:32 KRS|Gotyawallet This is just the beginning it seems..and i thought the offerings were maturing, we're turning the dial back to flat out retarded.
08:32 azoo who are you guys talking about
08:32 azoo looks like a nice success story :)
08:32 Duffer1 pretty much everyone azoo hehe
08:32 KRS|Gotyawallet Yep. Duffer1- a Zoo
08:34 Duffer1 are there any instances where she was wrong?
08:35 mircea_popescu Duffer1 not really.
08:35 mircea_popescu she never called mpex stuff a scam, and that's everyone.
08:35 Duffer1 that's actually really depressing
08:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00090574 = 23.3681 BTC [+]
08:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
08:56 azoo mircea_popescu: how does one actually buy shares on your site?
08:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00090574 = 3.5777 BTC [+]
08:56 mircea_popescu dja read the faq ?
09:01 truffles its a tarp
09:01 azoo yeah i've already went to read the FAQ once
09:01 azoo but it looked weird
09:02 mircea_popescu well see, the idea is that people to whom it looks weird don't get to buy.
09:02 azoo looked weird = as watching fear and loathing in las vegas :)
09:03 mircea_popescu ha
09:04 Duffer1 azoo try coinbr
09:05 pigeons yeah mermaids aren't weird
09:05 mircea_popescu well... they float, they got tits...
09:05 mircea_popescu seems oddly apt as a symbol for finance.
09:07 pigeons should make an exact mpex clone with no new functionality just charge 5% to view it in a bootstrap template
09:10 azoo forget about shares.. i'll just become a MPEx affiliate http://mpex.co/faq.html#13
09:10 azoo earning 5BC in a simple as pie fashion :)
09:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20561 @ 0.00090661 = 18.6408 BTC [+] {2}
09:16 mircea_popescu people have been known to do that.
09:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00090681 = 18.4989 BTC [+]
09:19 azoo i think i fall into your category of idiots as i am still wondering if the 30BTC fee is a joke, troll, serious requirement or all of the tree
09:20 azoo three*
09:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.24155555 = 2.174 BTC [-] {6}
09:26 kakobrekla https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1511473_662172583834072_2104522041_n.jpg
09:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10188 @ 0.00090814 = 9.2521 BTC [+] {2}
09:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00090821 = 4.2686 BTC [+]
09:34 azoo zivijo kakobrekla
09:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1477 @ 0.001 = 1.477 BTC
09:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}
09:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30673 @ 0.00090425 = 27.7361 BTC [-] {3}
09:44 kakobrekla zivjo azoo
09:45 kakobrekla kaj bo dobrega :)
09:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
09:45 azoo hm.. kakobreku...
09:46 kakobrekla :p
09:52 mircea_popescu azoo you familiar with the concept of "qualiified investor" ?
09:54 azoo mircea_popescu: yes i've read about that sutff just now and it makes more sense
09:54 mircea_popescu aite.
09:54 azoo tho its quite pricy now that BC rised so much
09:54 mircea_popescu it's still 30 btc.
09:54 azoo yes
09:54 azoo this is what i like about the site
09:54 azoo but its a pain in the as as well as you also can understand I suppose
09:54 mircea_popescu yup.
09:55 mircea_popescu qualified investor. technologically and financially.
09:55 azoo or qualified by luck
09:55 azoo which is life I suppose :-)
09:56 mircea_popescu luck always plays a part, in everythi8ng worth doing
09:56 mircea_popescu but you're right, if you were here march-april 2012 you could have had one for free
09:56 mircea_popescu some people did.
09:56 mircea_popescu strangely enough, they all also knew one of python/perl/bash, had gpg sigs and are now rich.
09:57 mircea_popescu so what i mean is... they still meet the quals, in spite of so much changing in the interim
09:57 mircea_popescu funny how that works.
09:57 azoo yeah I mean the site itself would drive off anyone not fammiliar with this stuff
09:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
09:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.05 = 5 BTC
09:59 mircea_popescu well... they're all rich except kako. he just drives very expensive cars.
09:59 kakobrekla lmao FU :D
10:00 mircea_popescu hehe
10:01 azoo btw when u talk about richeness you're again relating it to $$
10:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22385 @ 0.00090199 = 20.191 BTC [-] {2}
10:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00090105 = 1.9373 BTC [-]
10:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16085 @ 0.00090186 = 14.5064 BTC [+]
10:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00090186 = 23.9895 BTC [+]
10:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.002825 = 0.565 BTC [+]
10:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00049998 = 0.5 BTC [+] {3}
10:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00282957 = 0.8489 BTC [+] {3}
10:50 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/#comment-94017
10:50 ozbot Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:50 mircea_popescu check out this schmuck.
10:50 mircea_popescu since summer with this.
10:51 kakobrekla im thinking, XVII + nineteen would prolly stop him
10:52 mircea_popescu but my point is... so some kid gets out of school in june and wants to become a man over the summer.
10:52 mircea_popescu some try to get laid, others try to get rich
10:53 mircea_popescu shouldn't he be back to writing homework by now ?
10:54 kakobrekla its just spam
10:54 mircea_popescu nah, it's hand written
10:55 kakobrekla hand written spam.
10:56 mircea_popescu yeah.
10:56 mircea_popescu almost like the hand-run compiler.
10:57 kakobrekla well, you can hand power a dynamo and use that to power the compiler.
10:57 kakobrekla just fyi.
10:57 mircea_popescu ooooor, you could cock-power a dynamo
10:57 mircea_popescu and use the ooze for coolant too.
10:58 kakobrekla i dont have that sort of cock.
10:59 mircea_popescu internet epeen competition. "save the whales, power your compiler".
11:00 kakobrekla anyway as the workforce gets cheaper i dont see why you wouldnt see hand written spam for a non outofthebox codebase sites
11:01 kakobrekla even assets suffers spam
11:01 kakobrekla assbot excluded
11:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20399 @ 0.00090205 = 18.4009 BTC [+] {2}
11:05 mircea_popescu lol
11:05 mircea_popescu except trilema is quite out of the box.
11:05 kakobrekla one more reason you need humans to do it
11:09 mircea_popescu ya
11:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02281001 = 0.2053 BTC [-]
11:29 thestringpuller everytime I install litecoin related software it's all Kapersky is all "MALWARE DETECTED, WARNING SOMEONE TRYNNA STEAL YO BITCOINS"
11:30 thestringpuller Litecoins grestest long-run scam ever to deploy worms to steal btc?
11:30 thestringpuller ;;bc,stats
11:30 gribble Current Blocks: 275066 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1125 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 19 hours, 10 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1104677340.74 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.61351
11:31 thestringpuller ;;estimate
11:31 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1104677340.74 based on data since last change | 1186210790.64 based on data for last three days
11:33 pankkake new litecoin version failed to replace a "Bitcoin" string
11:34 mircea_popescu ;p;
11:34 KRS|Gotyawallet http://www.businessinsider.com/why-bitcoin-will-never-be-a-currency--in-two-charts-2013-12
11:34 pankkake so that diff bet is pretty much done? :(
11:35 dexX7 yup, you are screwed
11:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
11:35 dexX7 ;)
11:37 pankkake I feel like I have read that article ten times already
11:38 mircea_popescu pankkake more like 10`000 times.
11:38 mircea_popescu i see that, what i read is "i am a noob, hear my uninformed convictions and care enough about my worthless persona to set me straight"
11:38 mircea_popescu as if it makes a difference, srsly.
11:39 KRS|Gotyawallet pankkake date on that article makes it almost exactly 12 hours old
11:39 KRS|Gotyawallet there have been others?
11:40 pankkake that's not what I meant KRS. I specifically saw it was new, but it has nothing new, and the same broken arguments were exposed before
11:41 pankkake the "prices fell during the depression so prices falling is bad" is soโ€ฆ how do you even logic
11:41 thestringpuller What Bitcoin really needs is a central bank to stabilize its value. When the demand for Bitcoin goes up, they need to print more to keep it from skyrocketing. That is, they need to decide whether they want Bitcoin to be a Ponzi scheme for techno-libertarians or an actual medium of exchange.
11:41 thestringpuller Just
11:41 thestringpuller wow?
11:41 thestringpuller uh
11:41 pankkake :D
11:41 thestringpuller Not even my puppy is that uninformed.
11:42 thestringpuller Middle schoolers are more informed....
11:42 pankkake of course, because they haven't been actively misinformed yet :)
11:43 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: this is less of "i'm a n00b" and more of "i have no idea how economics really work and believe we should just print more money so we can fix our bad debts. Make it rain Ben Bernanke while I suck your dick."
11:44 mircea_popescu imo that's a noob.
11:44 thestringpuller lol ignorance == n00b?
11:44 pankkake there's the humble noob and the entitled noob
11:44 mircea_popescu isn;'t that the definition ?
11:44 thestringpuller there's hope for n00bs cause MAY be able to teach them
11:44 mircea_popescu there's nothing new in this world except for the history you don't know.
11:45 mircea_popescu pankkake yeah, noobs handle their ignorance differently. but still, how else do you know a noob's a noob ? by their ignorance.
11:49 KRS|Gotyawallet ignorance != noob..matters are that said noob did not get the memo
11:50 pankkake so noobs are ignorants that didn't lurk moar
11:50 KRS|Gotyawallet noobs get the memo then noob on in light of that
11:50 KRS|Gotyawallet lol pankkake
11:50 mircea_popescu i guess there's newbs and then there's noobs.
11:50 pankkake it's not a joke
11:50 pankkake right
11:51 KRS|Gotyawallet entertaining conversation..kind of relaxing watching the lemmings isnt it
11:51 mircea_popescu it is
11:51 pankkake lurking moar should be taught in school
11:51 mircea_popescu and im halfway through this fucking thing.
11:51 mircea_popescu it's 100kb ;/
11:55 sbp "bitcoin entered the world on Jan. 3, 2009, when a shadowy hacker โ€” or team of hackers โ€” working under the name Satoshi Nakamoto released an ingenious string of computer code" โ€” http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/sunday-review/the-bitcoin-ideology.html
11:55 sbp 2013, the media still hasn't caught up with programming, let alone bitcoin
11:56 mircea_popescu it won't ever happen.
11:57 mircea_popescu if they had the mental power to catch up they'd be doing better money than whatever foodstamps "the press" pays.
11:57 asciilifeform 'the camel has two humps.'
11:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60863 @ 0.00090095 = 54.8345 BTC [-] {2}
11:57 asciilifeform (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/07/separating-programming-sheep-from-non-programming-goats.html for anyone who doesn't remember.)
11:58 asciilifeform short version: factory-OEM human brain doesn't deal in abstraction.
11:58 asciilifeform electronic or otherwise.
11:59 mircea_popescu ayu[
11:59 asciilifeform see also 'the cold equations.' (tom godwin, 1954.)
11:59 mircea_popescu bitcoin actually happens to be a two hump sifter.
11:59 mircea_popescu i wasn't kidding when i said they're turning into niggers.
11:59 mircea_popescu what bitcoin does is it meaningfully sepparates the population, and i see nobody credibly arguing for extending human status past the 2nd bump
12:00 asciilifeform it's at least as much of a sifter as abstract algebra.
12:00 pankkake "most people can't learn to program" is really true. but it goes against the egalitarian ideology "you can do anything"
12:00 asciilifeform and these sample people think that training circus animals is cruel.
12:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. because abstract algebra does not allocate resources
12:01 kakobrekla > โ€ข8% of students didn't give a damn and left the answers blank.
12:02 asciilifeform with bitcoin we have sorter and sifter in one.
12:02 mircea_popescu it went from "indicator light" (algebra) to "execution squad" (bitcoin)
12:02 mircea_popescu quite different.
12:02 asciilifeform kakobrekla: the real shocker was that the 'back hump' did not cough up a model of the problem. even a wrong one.
12:02 mircea_popescu why is this a shiocker ? or in what perspective ?
12:03 asciilifeform their answers did not sum up to a consistent picture of anything. even a mistaken picture.
12:03 asciilifeform a shocker for the teacher, not for me in particular
12:06 mircea_popescu you seen the pictures of spider;s webs made by high spiders ?
12:07 asciilifeform people who can't (or won't) do arithmetic and turn into the Financially Sad are nothing new
12:07 mircea_popescu if the box ain't functioning, there's no guarantee you end up with a web. even a not working one.
12:07 asciilifeform but the study of the underlying pathology is useful.
12:07 asciilifeform correct.
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12:25 mircea_popescu pankkake you were saying a few days ago about being disgusted with ppl lauding scams just because they hope they get a little back ? where is it, i want to quote it.
12:27 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3884221#msg3884221 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297530.msg3883958#msg3883958 perhapsโ€ฆ unless it was on irc. I post too much crap
12:27 ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
12:27 pankkake hmm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3878956#msg3878956
12:29 pankkake you've got to see the custom mining hardware forum too, where shareholders shill for their companies that are not shipping
12:29 nubbins` custom mining sub is brutal
12:30 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358820.0;viewResults you have to wonder, who are those 7 guys?
12:30 ozbot [VMC] Poll: Have you Received Shipping Notification?
12:30 mircea_popescu yes it was on irc
12:30 mircea_popescu i don't rly read the forum
12:32 mircea_popescu lmao, so anything to avoid an actual delivery bet huh ? we make a fake bitbet out of forum paste & spit, pretend and pray.
12:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
12:32 nubbins` the bitcoin "community" in general is a cesspool of stupidity and frottage
12:34 nubbins` custom mining sub: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Geiger-masturbation-mutuelle.jpg
12:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25 = 1.25 BTC [+]
12:41 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/
12:41 ozbot MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/ << the paper chorror references has mysteriously disappeared in tjhe meanwhile.
12:44 nubbins` this will be equal parts comedy and tragedy
12:44 mircea_popescu instead ? some gargle about inclusiveness.
12:44 mircea_popescu nubbins` hollywood got nothin' on this.
12:46 nubbins` aha, the one guy referred to mp+-pr as "shim"
12:46 nubbins` great
12:47 nubbins` ;;ud shim
12:47 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shim | 2. shim. (n)-A person of anonymous or unconfirmed gender. Usually only applicable to people met online. Are you still going out with that shim? mark as favoriteย ...
12:47 thestringpuller ;;seen jurov
12:47 gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <jurov> SPREADSHEET KILLS
12:47 ozbot Urban Dictionary: shim
12:47 nubbins` wow, guy wrote bearshare?
12:48 nubbins` i remember that
12:49 pankkake mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2013#411741 that might be it, if you're willing to read the whole day I guess
12:49 pankkake of emo pankkake
12:50 mircea_popescu lol
12:50 mircea_popescu nah it was a coupla days before that i think
12:50 pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2013#411520
12:50 mircea_popescu when it first dawned on you that
12:50 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
12:50 pankkake yeah that's the one
12:50 mircea_popescu yup
12:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [+]
12:52 mircea_popescu edited.
12:55 pankkake but then you have to ask yourself why would anyone sane still use bitcoin
12:59 thestringpuller people still use bearshare?
12:59 mircea_popescu doesn't seem likely.
13:00 pankkake what is it, a program for hairy gay swingers?
13:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5131 @ 0.00090006 = 4.6182 BTC [-]
13:01 mircea_popescu haha
13:05 thestringpuller what is the recipe in romania?
13:05 thestringpuller in LA it is women weed and weather
13:08 mircea_popescu i think it varies.
13:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.00220102 = 0.328 BTC [-] {3}
13:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.eis.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf loads fine
13:18 asciilifeform and, afaik, bearshare is dead, but the (DHT-based) 'edonkey' is still up and running, and stuffed full of high-quality rarities
13:18 asciilifeform (scanned russian maths books, etc)
13:19 pankkake edonkey network still has some active communities and good stuff. actually it was the only one of those with actual communities
13:20 asciilifeform if 'bittorrent' is your neighbourhood dope pusher, 'edonkey' is alex shulgin's basement lab.
13:21 pankkake that's not really true anymore. public bittorrent yes, but private communities are thriving
13:21 pankkake and then there's the odd soulseek, still up while having some heavy centralization
13:22 asciilifeform pankkake: are you a member of any that have 1970s soviet trinary mainframe manuals, rather than peculiar and rare fetish porn?
13:22 asciilifeform (nothing against the latter, but the former is more what i had in mind)
13:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42637 @ 0.00090097 = 38.4147 BTC [+] {2}
13:23 asciilifeform ed is still, afaik, the only place where you will find some of the more interesting and factual (older) 'paladin press' works.
13:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah yea. meant the earlier link
13:25 pankkake there was a community named "horseporn junction" that I was not part of, but it might be a hoax
13:26 mircea_popescu would horses lie ?
13:26 pankkake but you can find some good stuff elsewhere
13:27 mircea_popescu "The interpretation of the results of the above assignment test make me feel angry. I am not a teacher but I am confident that I can teach (in less than 15 minutes) any person smart enough to be admitted to a computer science class how to pass the above test. The results speak volumes about the utter ignorance of educators regarding the nature of human knowledge and how to acquire it. It is a tremendous act of injustic
13:27 mircea_popescu e to blame the students and not the teachers. Now if a student is *unwilling* to learn the material then that is another question.
13:27 mircea_popescu But to blame the poor education methods on students willing to acquire the knowledge is just ridiculous.
13:27 mircea_popescu check out this guy. he's a teacher who feels able to help people fake the test,
13:27 mircea_popescu and he imagines this means the conclusions of the test only show how desperately the world needs more teachers.
13:28 mircea_popescu i suppose this is the original font of bureaucracy.
13:29 asciilifeform alan kay (smalltalk), the original 'i'll teach even monkeys to program' fellow, persists in this delusion.
13:29 mircea_popescu it's not so different from the conviction one can patent medicine,
13:30 mircea_popescu which in the end boils right back into the old trunk of crafting the perpetuum mobile.
13:30 asciilifeform maybe these folks will relent once they understand that even literacy cannot be taught to everyone.
13:31 mircea_popescu these folks will never relent.
13:31 mircea_popescu inasmuch their problem is a relation to the self rather than to the world, the only way to have them relent is to change them
13:31 mircea_popescu either back into anorganic matter, or else chinese re-education or w/e.
13:32 asciilifeform or just let them go broke, and they can join the crackpots who spend their lives teaching dolphins sign language.
13:33 mircea_popescu same thing.
13:33 mircea_popescu incidentally, there is a good objection there : the example given seems very tilted toward people with experience in a C-like language.
13:33 mircea_popescu "otherwise you need to use the 'code-cracking' part of your brain to try and infer a meaning from an unknown syntax."
13:34 mircea_popescu as all cognitive tests, the one proposed measures more the bias of the tester than the subject.
13:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00090414 = 3.2549 BTC [+]
13:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, do you know the story of the kid who wouldn't pass physics exam ?
13:34 asciilifeform let somebody give the same test with (kindergarten level) electric circuits.
13:34 asciilifeform ?
13:35 mircea_popescu lemme see if i find this
13:35 pankkake asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/MR5c0dB.png ?
13:36 mircea_popescu http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/barometer.asp
13:36 asciilifeform pankkake: 1 or 2 of these are interesting, in the sense of 'what not to do'
13:37 asciilifeform the barometer example is just one of a poorly-specified problem
13:38 asciilifeform that is, one ought to ask 'you are alone in the desert, even the shirt on your back has worn to tatters, you encounter the obelisk of ozymandias, quite tall, and wish to measure its height before you die of thirst, with nothing but your remaining barometer.'
13:39 mircea_popescu you are wrong to imagine this problem can be solved by specification.
13:39 mircea_popescu this is the exact equivalent of the "poorly specified bitbet bet" fallacy.
13:39 asciilifeform any kid who can still wiggle out from under the conditions with finesse should be marked passing.
13:39 mircea_popescu natural language does not allow specification, and most fields of interest for humans do not allow formal language.
13:39 mircea_popescu so you've just moved the goalposts.
13:39 mircea_popescu consider http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/choice.asp
13:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00279 = 0.2706 BTC [+]
13:40 asciilifeform programmer's wife: 'do you want pizza or chinese for dinner?' programmer: 'yes.'
13:40 mircea_popescu hehe
13:45 KRS|Gotyawallet This hw offering is from China, land of the asics. It must not be a scam. I heard the chips grow in the wild there. It must be wonderful. http://www.cybtc.com/thread-3396-1-1.html
13:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00090414 = 25.6776 BTC [+]
13:45 mircea_popescu lol
13:46 asciilifeform re: asics: anyone crazy enough to build a discrete-TTL logic miner yet?
13:47 mircea_popescu no.
13:48 asciilifeform does anyone even remember how to design with ECL circuits nowadays...
13:48 mircea_popescu possibly. many people involved in mining are from the "old world"
13:48 mircea_popescu ie, russia, china etc.
13:48 asciilifeform (you can buy ~50GHz+ ECL gates from mouser, or whoever)
13:50 KRS|Gotyawallet here is the english translation of the site
13:50 KRS|Gotyawallet dig that first comment, reserved for a certain team-
13:50 KRS|Gotyawallet http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&sl=auto&tl=destination_language&u=http://www.cybtc.com/thread-3396-1-1.html
13:52 mircea_popescu googlish is hardly english
13:52 KRS|Gotyawallet Its cattle.
13:53 mircea_popescu Hot Search: pumpkin baked cat butterfly KNC Bitfury Bitmine Avalon TMR
13:53 mircea_popescu herp :D
13:53 KRS|Gotyawallet hah
13:54 mircea_popescu diginforce is Gridseed total online sales agents, sales are now sold out yesterday, there is no development board conference
13:55 KRS|Gotyawallet Bigtime Protoshares/Invictus drama brewing.
13:56 pankkake what stupid thing did they do this time?
14:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00090414 = 33.634 BTC [+]
14:07 mircea_popescu http://www.t3.com/news/the-pirate-bay-changes-domain-to-stay-ahead-of-the-law
14:07 ozbot The Pirate Bay changes domain to stay ahead of the law | T3
14:07 mircea_popescu y no namecoin
14:10 Kleeck I like PirateBay.
14:12 asciilifeform would anyone care to explain why namecoin, when you can encode name-ipv4 pairs in the conventional blockchain trivially
14:13 pankkake there is a thepiratebay.bitโ€ฆ but it's domain squatted
14:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00279 = 0.1395 BTC [+]
14:14 pankkake anyway to access TPB: http://proxybay.info/
14:15 KRS|Gotyawallet asciilifeform thats cool man
14:15 asciilifeform KRS|Gotyawallet: not like it was my idea. has been obvious for ages.
14:16 asciilifeform store a few bytes as small tx.
14:17 asciilifeform (or gigantic tx. doesn't matter, since the coin is going in a closed loop.)
14:18 asciilifeform that is, between your own addrs.
14:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00090854 = 43.6553 BTC [+] {4}
14:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is the first time a dns server has to handle 10gb of cruft to resolve a query.
14:34 pankkake namecoin features could be added to bitcoin, but the idea was that miners would be against itโ€ฆ well the result is now no one cares
14:34 pankkake people buy namecoins but have no idea what they are for :|
14:34 mircea_popescu well inasmuch as they don't really work for that which they are for, arguably it doesn't matter.
14:35 pankkake it works, but the tools suck or do not exist
14:35 mircea_popescu re-read what you just said o.o
14:36 pankkake it works in the sense that you can register a name, update it, etc.
14:37 pankkake http://explorer.bit/n/42707 pretty cool right? if only there was an application exploiting it!
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.24525001 = 0.4905 BTC [-] {2}
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.1 = 0.7 BTC [+]
14:38 mircea_popescu im curious what the pirate bay browser will be like.
14:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dns server already chugs 10+GB of turd: unix.
14:38 pankkake ugh I guess I should give the non-.bit URL: http://explorer.dot-bit.org/n/42707
14:39 mircea_popescu also just made them an offer to sponsor them, curious if they manage to find their way out of the paper bag.
14:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not 10gb tho
14:39 pankkake I thought their browser already existed, and that it was a tor bundle fork
14:40 pankkake http://piratebrowser.com/
14:40 mircea_popescu sort-of
14:41 pankkake projects of alternative roots never went far, too. there was .42 which gave pretty much nothing
14:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00229808 = 0.2114 BTC [+] {8}
14:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24050001 BTC [-]
14:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21121 @ 0.00090414 = 19.0963 BTC [-]
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15:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31956 @ 0.00090444 = 28.9023 BTC [+]
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15:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00090174 = 35.7089 BTC [-] {2}
15:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13040 @ 0.0009044 = 11.7934 BTC [+] {2}
15:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.002845 = 0.2817 BTC [+]
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16:19 mircea_popescu "I want to introduce myself. My name is Michael from Cloudhashing.com, and I have taken over the public relations work there after being one of their customers since August. I will be the only one writing from this account now. "
16:19 mircea_popescu o.o
16:22 Namworld What?
16:25 mircea_popescu i have no idea dood, it's like complete chaos.
16:25 mircea_popescu "hello i am your new waiter after eating here for three weeks i am now qualified to make food. the brainwashing is real good, please try it."
16:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.05 = 2.4 BTC
16:35 pankkake can something with "cloud" in its name not be a scam?
16:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4942 @ 0.00090028 = 4.4492 BTC [-]
16:43 pankkake ;;estimate
16:43 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1099731120.92 based on data since last change | 1191737820.33 based on data for last three days
16:53 dub ;;bc,stats
16:53 gribble Current Blocks: 275103 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1088 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1100272777.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.12861
16:53 dub ;;nethash
16:53 gribble 8524940.56545
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17:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC
17:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00089943 = 24.0148 BTC [-]
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00089943 = 5.3066 BTC [-]
17:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00089949 = 0.9894 BTC [+]
18:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00089949 = 12.5029 BTC [+]
18:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 283 @ 0.0028479 = 0.806 BTC [+]
18:16 mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu
18:16 gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
18:16 mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ab62ac49dc6fe5b52726b421d41eb2c753a4056ad1457349660e8819
18:16 gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
18:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09666666 = 0.29 BTC [-] {2}
18:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.09037504 = 0.3615 BTC [-] {3}
18:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.05 = 0.65 BTC
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18:45 mircea_popescu ok, so, major announcement :
18:46 fiat500 o no
18:46 mircea_popescu bitcoin-central & mpex are proud to announce X.EUR, http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR
18:46 fiat500 oh, sweet
18:46 mircea_popescu teh physically settled monthly euro future
18:46 mircea_popescu it will start trading tomorrow.
18:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00089942 = 33.7732 BTC [-] {3}
18:48 jurov w00t
18:48 pizzaman1337 wait, physically settled?
18:49 mircea_popescu yes.
18:49 jurov but dunno when b-c finally verifies my company acct
18:49 mircea_popescu ie, actual future, not bucket shop bs.
18:49 pizzaman1337 MP comes with a briefcase full of cash to my door?
18:49 mircea_popescu pizzaman1337 no, but you get euros in your bc acct.
18:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28974 @ 0.00090032 = 26.0859 BTC [+] {2}
18:55 jurov heh looks *I* will have to do with briefcases of cash, if someone exercises them via coinbr
18:56 jurov this gonna get interesting
18:57 mircea_popescu jurov you can probably just subsign.
18:57 sundun_ hey
18:57 sundun_ anyone here?
18:57 mircea_popescu ie, ask YOUR customer to gpg sign THEIR bc acct.
18:58 mircea_popescu and oversign that and ship it to davout
18:58 sundun_ o i guess that's a yes >_<
18:58 mircea_popescu sup sundun_ ?
18:58 jurov mhm, good then
18:58 sundun_ just saying hi
18:58 sundun_ had a couple of questions
18:58 sundun_ but i dunno how active this chat is
18:58 mircea_popescu jurov i don't imagine they'd look too kindly on you fronting for ppl on your own acct anyway
18:59 mircea_popescu sundun_ this chat is the heart and especially brains of btc finance. what do you need ?
18:59 jurov i was going to ask anyway
18:59 sundun_ haha mircea
18:59 sundun_ soooo
18:59 pizzaman1337 you laugh...
18:59 sundun_ i'm not sure what that means XD
19:00 sundun_ anyway i was thinking of investing in neo&bee
19:00 sundun_ but not sure if i should do it via havelock
19:00 sundun_ or via the lmbholdings site
19:00 jurov so you aren't thinking about that anymore
19:00 jurov that's good ;)
19:00 sundun_ haha you're saying it's good that ive already decided to invest
19:00 mircea_popescu at this point you'd have to be off your rocker to do anything involving havelock.
19:01 sundun_ why micrea?
19:01 sundun_ what's wrong with havelock
19:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2013#422307
19:01 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
19:01 sundun_ what
19:01 sundun_ you want me to read that long chat?
19:01 jurov virtex, havelocks biggest asset, went into trouble
19:01 sundun_ can i get a tldr version
19:01 fiat500 is the situation in cyprus really this dire?
19:02 sundun_ what does that mean
19:02 mircea_popescu sundun_ it autohighlights where you need to start.
19:02 mircea_popescu fiat500 sounds pretty bad
19:02 fiat500 interesting
19:02 jurov sundun_: if you're srs with the inestment, prefer full infor over tldr
19:02 sundun_ bleh i dont understand
19:03 sundun_ azoo sure. they reorganised as a entity run by "no one", recently. after which they allowed their largest company (virtex) to simply walk away from the investors 12:57:29mircea_popescu:collected >4k btc this year, paid no dividends, is now gone.
19:03 sundun_ this?
19:04 sundun_ virtex is stealing money?
19:04 sundun_ crap
19:04 jurov they frame it as "exchange for real shares registered in alberta"
19:04 Duffer1 dundun_ if you're unsure of the offering or the exchange then just hold onto your btc for dear life, do not let go
19:04 jurov but since it's CAD-denominated, it's as good as scam
19:04 sundun_ but i want to invest in btc buesinesss
19:05 sundun_ just not sure how
19:05 sundun_ but alot of people have funds in havelock
19:05 sundun_ it's a scam for them too?
19:05 mircea_popescu Duffer1 has a point, and so does jurov. don't rush it.
19:05 mircea_popescu you
19:05 sundun_ sigh i just sent half a bitcoin to havelock
19:05 fiat500 4:04 PM <sundun_> but i want to invest in btc buesinesss
19:05 fiat500 4:05 PM <sundun_> just not sure how
19:05 mircea_popescu ll be very sorry after you lose your btc, better hold on to it.
19:05 fiat500 this is not the right way to look at it
19:05 sundun_ how should i look at it
19:05 Duffer1 sec
19:05 fiat500 unless you are an amazing philanthropist :P
19:05 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:05 sundun_ sorry i'm super nooby i want to learn more >_<
19:06 jurov read more then ;)
19:06 sundun_ sigh
19:06 sundun_ okay
19:06 sundun_ i'm willing
19:06 Duffer1 sundun_ i wrote this just for you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=353439
19:06 sundun_ this chat's ai is kind of confusing
19:06 mircea_popescu yeah, read the logs.
19:06 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1506852/plain/)
19:06 mircea_popescu !b 2
19:06 sundun_ or aesthetically unappearling
19:06 mircea_popescu bwahaha kakobrekla you hear that ? teh ai is borkt!
19:07 Duffer1 assbot has tourettes (amazing)
19:07 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:07 mircea_popescu "i got no time and i gotta invest". H. Ellison's sequel.
19:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.24077142 = 1.6854 BTC [+] {2}
19:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.2405 = 1.6835 BTC [-] {2}
19:09 sundun_ so duffer1 you invested in losing bitcoin stocks?
19:09 sundun_ and that's why you don't advise it?
19:09 Duffer1 there were several points
19:09 sundun_ and the guys that you ivnested in
19:09 sundun_ ran off with 182 BTC
19:09 sundun_ damn
19:09 Duffer1 btc is almost certainly a better investment then X
19:10 sundun_ so everyone here does not want to invest in bitcoin securities?
19:10 Duffer1 i'm not saying that
19:10 mircea_popescu <Duffer1> btc is almost certainly a better investment then X << ESPECIALLY if you don't really read/know what X does.
19:10 Duffer1 there are always going to be projects worth supporting
19:10 sundun_ so what are you saying
19:11 pankkake if you don't really know or understand what the thing is about, if ANYTHING is unclear, don't invest
19:11 Duffer1 yes
19:11 Duffer1 and
19:11 Duffer1 even if you do know what it's about, it's very unlikely to outperform btc itself as an investment
19:11 fiat500 dont just invest in btc "business" for the sake of doing it
19:12 sundun_ so are you guys not invested in btc securities :/
19:12 sundun_ you're saying that i shouldn't invest cuz i'm not completely knowledgable
19:12 mircea_popescu they are, they just try to conspire to keep you away from the really good stuff see ?
19:12 fiat500 lol
19:12 twizt lol
19:13 sundun_ :/
19:13 sundun_ i'm confused
19:13 Duffer1 he's joking man
19:14 sundun_ okay
19:14 fiat500 sundun_: why do companies list themselves on the stock market in general?
19:14 sundun_ for supporters
19:14 fiat500 lolz
19:14 twizt no
19:14 sundun_ wat
19:14 twizt for initial capital
19:14 sundun_ yeah
19:14 sundun_ support
19:15 sundun_ financial support that they need to run business
19:15 twizt thats not support
19:15 pankkake mircea_popescu: I've been accused to do that. same as mining
19:15 sundun_ how is it not support
19:15 twizt having facebook followers is support ;)
19:15 pankkake there's no use :(
19:15 sundun_ oh i c
19:15 sundun_ i meant in different way
19:15 sundun_ anyway
19:15 sundun_ you guys have scared me
19:15 Duffer1 pankkake there is hope still, he did find his way here
19:15 fiat500 (also lets not consider cases where they are forced to because they've reached a threshold of stakeholders)
19:15 sundun_ i didn't think it would be a big deal to invest in neo&bee
19:15 pankkake :)
19:15 twizt everything is a risk sundun_
19:15 sundun_ i understand its' a risk
19:16 sundun_ don't invest anything you're unable to lose
19:16 sundun_ blah blah
19:16 twizt just gotta make sure u if you should take certain ones or not
19:16 sundun_ okay
19:16 sundun_ thanks i mean it
19:16 pankkake the "can't afford to lose" is certainly tired, and highly incomplete. you have to judge what is the risk and the potential reward
19:17 pankkake if you can get 10% if it works, but it has a 50% chance to work, it's way too risky
19:18 sundun_ i see
19:18 sundun_ so back to havelock
19:18 sundun_ mircea thinks havelock is a scam
19:18 sundun_ bc of all the failed securities
19:18 Duffer1 even if they aren't a scam just look at the track record of their offerings
19:18 Duffer1 they might as well be a scam
19:18 sundun_ yeah failed securities
19:18 pankkake I believe they don't have the best interests of shareholders anymore
19:18 fiat500 mircea_popescu: curious, say btcusd is at $40k, just to pluck a number out of thin air
19:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00090081 = 9.3684 BTC [+]
19:18 sundun_ i see
19:19 sundun_ so even asicmining?
19:19 sundun_ i know it's been seriously failing
19:19 fiat500 do you still see mpex registration staying at 30BTC?
19:19 sundun_ lmao
19:19 mircea_popescu fiat500 yes.
19:19 pankkake +in mind
19:19 mircea_popescu 30 btc will still be 0.00000003% of btc in circulation. it's not a high barrier by any means.
19:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00289 = 0.3324 BTC [+]
19:20 pizzaman1337 I wonder if someday I'd ever consider selling my MPEX registration...
19:20 fiat500 thats a nice way to look at it
19:20 mircea_popescu and if 40k is too high, then people should pay less per btc
19:21 fiat500 the accepted theory on deflation is it causes prices to drop, looks like you're having none of that (or dont care about USD exchange rate)
19:21 mircea_popescu this isn't a price, it's a barrier.
19:21 fiat500 ah
19:21 mircea_popescu you're not buying something from me, you're proving something to me.
19:22 fiat500 the 30btc is your version of accreditation then
19:22 mircea_popescu half of it.
19:22 mircea_popescu the financial half. you also gotta be able to talk to the exchange.
19:24 pizzaman1337 will you ever stop allowing new registrations?
19:25 mircea_popescu altoghether ? probably not.
19:25 pankkake I already thought registrations were discretionary
19:28 jurov pizzaman1337: only if you can find a provable way to forget your gpg key
19:29 fiat500 has the average investor done well on mpex?
19:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00089936 = 7.9593 BTC [-] {2}
19:29 pizzaman1337 jurov: mpex allows updating keys, right?
19:30 jurov no it does not
19:30 jurov last i heard
19:30 asciilifeform wait, srsly?
19:30 pizzaman1337 even if I think my key has been compromised?
19:30 jurov there were some amends for unlucky people who had expiration date set, but afaik not anymore
19:31 jurov then it's 30b for new acct.
19:31 mircea_popescu fiat500 http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/ ; http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/ etc
19:32 fiat500 "on average the MPEx investor buying discontinued assets exclusively made a net loss of about two percent over the course of a little more than a year and a half"
19:32 fiat500 neat
19:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
19:33 mircea_popescu overall s.dice broke even on price and made bank on dividends, s.mpoe paid a little dividends and went up about 30x or so since listing
19:33 mircea_popescu and the smaller things are well... small.
19:33 mircea_popescu the options tho, people made bank there
19:33 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-bonds-historical-data-dec-2012-nov-2013/ and http://trilema.com/2012/mpoe-bonds-historical-data/ are both negative.
19:33 ozbot MPOE bonds historical data, Dec 2012 - Nov 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:36 pizzaman1337 I'm curious to see what/if any affect X.EUR might have on things outside mpex/b-c
19:36 pizzaman1337 looks like someone placed a buy order?
19:38 Vexual the mention of suitcases in this channel will propagate to a web article on bitcoin>bin ladens
19:38 mircea_popescu pizzaman1337 ya lol
19:38 mircea_popescu meanwhile : 84 cases of the plague w/ 40% mortality in Madagascar -- it has morphed from the original bubonic plague to pneumonic plague, easily transmissable...
19:39 Vexual i told them not to open the vial
19:42 benkay oh joy pneumonic.
19:43 fiat500 i laughed my ass off at the thought of jurov having to shuttle briefcases of cash for coinbr uses
19:43 fiat500 *users
19:44 jurov hell yes
19:44 kakobrekla its not suppose to be aesthetically appearling
19:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22962 @ 0.00090319 = 20.739 BTC [+] {3}
19:47 jurov pizzaman1337: if you used a cardano for mpex trade, then it would be feasible to sell the acct
19:47 mircea_popescu now this is true. course is risky, if your key falls in the fucking pit and dies, you're sol
19:47 mircea_popescu but otherwise, you can actually deliver an acct.
19:47 jurov but no it would not. you could have PUSH prepared for later execution
19:48 jurov *signed
19:48 mircea_popescu if you know what your shit will be like atg the time of demise.
19:48 mircea_popescu say yiou have a push for X and you meanwhile sold Y
19:48 mircea_popescu you'd have to keep it updated.
19:48 pizzaman1337 every time you did anything
19:48 mircea_popescu (trivial to code into your pympex or w/e you use, obviously)
19:48 pizzaman1337 but then you need to keep that safe too
19:49 jurov i can just sign PUSH|addr|9999999 for all assets?
19:49 kakobrekla i use punch cards.
19:49 mircea_popescu jurov ya but it'll fail
19:49 asciilifeform ok friendly reminder
19:49 asciilifeform cardano key extraction is not physically impossible (that'd be a lie) - just non-trivial.
19:49 jurov hmmmmmmm.... so a bunch of smaller then
19:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how'd one do it ?
19:50 asciilifeform resistance to physical attack is not on the menu. (if you want this, encase yours in concrete.)
19:50 Vexual epoxy
19:50 jurov no need to extract the keys, prepared in advance PUSH will do
19:50 asciilifeform see, there are two contradictory design objectives
19:50 asciilifeform auditability and physical security
19:51 asciilifeform they cannot be reconciled
19:51 asciilifeform so the latter isn't in the mix
19:51 jurov Vexual: asciilifeform posted a paper exactly about that yest
19:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so suppose i want to extract the key so i can make a mpex acct and sell it ands then later steal the guy's shit. how do i do it ?
19:51 asciilifeform the only definite promise is that the key cannot be exfiltrated silently by the attached pc.
19:51 asciilifeform 1) read the (to be published) design docs
19:51 asciilifeform 2) remove appropriate chips
19:52 asciilifeform 3) read back bits
19:52 asciilifeform 4) process into gpg-compatible key.
19:52 mircea_popescu aha.
19:52 Vexual nintendo has that exopy that will cunt up a chip if you try to get it off
19:52 dub so, we need a new wot btw
19:52 asciilifeform Vexual: if you keep keys in SRAM it gets much easier
19:52 dub S.WOT?
19:52 pizzaman1337 mircea_popescu: you could pre-sign push commands for 1 satoshi a few billion times (or withdraw commands, or whatever)
19:52 mircea_popescu dub why ?!
19:52 benkay why new wot?
19:53 dub current is broken
19:53 mircea_popescu pizzaman1337 you could, but think of the effort.
19:53 asciilifeform but then you risk loss on dead battery, airport xray, etc.
19:53 benkay dub: broken hao?
19:53 dub http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=stamit&sign=ANY&type=RECV
19:53 ozbot Rating Details for User 'stamit'
19:53 mircea_popescu dub can you be like explicit and everything ?
19:53 dub story is this guy has some kind of personality issue where he can
19:54 mircea_popescu i seem to recall stamit being sanwe.
19:54 mircea_popescu sane*
19:54 dub 't get over one person (gmaxwell) being a fuckwit
19:54 dub so he rants a little bit, makes a nuisance of himself in a couple of channels
19:54 dub gmax and shilltown negrate him
19:54 mircea_popescu who the fuck is "thelordoftime"
19:55 dub rules say if your trust web with nanotube is <0 you can't use the system
19:55 truffles gmaxwell that douche
19:55 asciilifeform since this is important, i'll repeat it: you can have a cryptowidget that nukes itself when disassembled, circuits potted in unobtainium, etc. or you can have one whose function you can personally verify. can't have both. 'fried ice.'
19:55 dub mircea_popescu: gmax shil, 12 year old operator in 0otc
19:55 dub -otc*
19:55 mircea_popescu dub is this -otc drama ?
19:55 dub its spilled out of -otc but basically
19:56 mircea_popescu so the argument that wot is broken says that you can't rate unless you're above 0 and idiots can get you below 0 ?
19:56 dub correct
19:57 dub key is that nanotube has a Trust Cabal effect
19:57 asciilifeform wait, everyone's rating counts towards this purpose equally?
19:57 asciilifeform that's bizarre
19:57 mircea_popescu the counter to this is that if you don't do this, anyone can end up -infinity by the effect of endless socks
19:57 Vexual needs proof of stake
19:57 mircea_popescu "I haven't traded with this guy, but I've heard from people I trust that he has used legal intimidation to force censorship of people's ratings of him. "
19:58 mircea_popescu herp.
19:58 dub exactly
19:58 mircea_popescu since when is retardtown preoccupied with censorship lol
19:58 dub 'derp derp derp doing this will make gmaxwell like me'
19:58 mircea_popescu or is it one of those, "we can't stand censorship that's not directed at the enemy"
19:58 asciilifeform proof of stake? then who'd need wot. just have people sign 'i like mr. xyz' with an addr. key
19:59 asciilifeform the other way to avoid 'imperium in imperio' in a wot is: a tyrant.
19:59 Vexual 50000bc hates you
19:59 dub stamit is weird and has entitlement issues in that he thinks being a bag of air breathing meat entitles him to some basic rights
19:59 mircea_popescu dub the funny thing is, gmaxwell himself is like 3 angry people away from oblivion
20:00 nubbins` thing about the wot is that most of the ratings are less than useless
20:00 dub but hes no scammer
20:00 nubbins` seriously
20:00 nubbins` "his ppusd for my btc"
20:00 nubbins` who gives a fuck
20:00 mircea_popescu nubbins` thing about this world is that most of everything in it is less than useless.
20:00 nubbins` Web of Children
20:00 asciilifeform easy fix for wot (was gonna write this myself before i ever heard of btc) is: no global totals.
20:00 mircea_popescu same is true of houses, women, puppies, clouds, wjhat have you
20:00 asciilifeform any user must be viewed through the lens of a selected other.
20:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nobody reallty uses the global totals that's sane
20:00 benkay ^^
20:00 nubbins` mircea_popescu: even the puppies? D;
20:00 mircea_popescu this is like, mpoe-pr 2012 bitcoin 101
20:01 asciilifeform except, if we are told correctly, for the 0-cutoff
20:01 mircea_popescu well it used to be a 0 total, apparently nanotube improved it so it's 0 to him
20:01 mircea_popescu since he runs gribble there's some sense to this (as grible could reasonably use his rating to see the world)
20:01 asciilifeform fixed then. got our tyrant plugged in.
20:02 mircea_popescu i suppose a decent solution for this is for an interested 3rd party to make dubble, which looks from dub's perspective
20:02 mircea_popescu i think nano'd be amenable to the arrangement.
20:03 nanotube all the code is foss. wanna spin up your own bot, nobody's stopping you.
20:03 nanotube it was just an expedient method to stop rating spam/shilling in its tracks.
20:03 nubbins` nubble
20:04 mircea_popescu i don't really see a better way tbh.
20:04 mircea_popescu no matter what you do you'll end up with this tradeoff.
20:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00090275 = 1.1736 BTC [-]
20:06 mircea_popescu you know exopy is much cuter than epoxy. i wonder why they didn't call it exopy.
20:07 Vexual stupid chemists
20:07 nubbins` !ticker m s.mg
20:07 assbot [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000115 / 0.00011508 / 0.000155 (3000 shares, 0.35 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00014023 / 0.00016 (98322 shares, 13.79 BTC)
20:08 nubbins` !ticker h smg
20:08 assbot [HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00010025 / 0.00013905 / 0.00020000 (19055 shares, 2.64967247 BTC), 30D: 0.00005778 / 0.00011754 / 0.00020000 (74621 shares, 8.77068209 BTC)
20:09 nubbins` exopy describes how complicated it is to find the exits
20:09 nubbins` fire marshals use it when inspecting buildings
20:10 mircea_popescu lol
20:10 mircea_popescu dub i'd be much more worried for people like http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=quickcoin&sign=ANY&type=RECV
20:10 mircea_popescu that kid's now fucked for instance.
20:12 nubbins` heh
20:12 nubbins` "i'm rating this guy -10 because he scammed wrinklemonster"
20:13 nubbins` mircea_popescu: speaking of ratings, how about giving me some love one of these days?
20:13 mircea_popescu ;;rated nubbins`
20:13 gribble You have not yet rated user nubbins`
20:13 mircea_popescu o hey.
20:13 dub lel
20:13 dub http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=tim-tams&sign=ANY&type=RECV
20:13 ozbot Rating Details for User 'tim-tams'
20:14 pankkake blame the `
20:14 dub not sure if sockies
20:14 mircea_popescu ;;rate nubbins` 2 One of the first Stock Warrant holders.
20:14 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
20:14 nubbins` hey! thanks
20:14 nubbins` pankkake: everyone does ;)
20:14 truffles look at mp spaming ratings
20:14 truffles inside job
20:14 nubbins` "ident with gribble or you're getting banned in 60 seconds"
20:14 mircea_popescu fucking historical too, like some guy goiing "o yeah, and then i bought the 3rd share printed in the us"
20:15 nubbins` you have any idea how fucking hard it is to auth in 60 seconds? D;
20:15 nubbins` mircea_popescu: i still have plans to make a nice print of it some day
20:15 nubbins` cutting my teeth on a related project right now
20:15 mircea_popescu depending how your offline stuff is set up you might not even be able to log in 60 seconds.
20:17 mircea_popescu dub definitely sockies, 2 days after he negged a scammer.
20:17 nubbins` tim-tams sells xau
20:17 mircea_popescu like a lot ?
20:18 nubbins` sorry, ah!
20:18 nubbins` *ag
20:18 mircea_popescu a
20:18 nubbins` not a ton
20:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 701 @ 0.00049999 = 0.3505 BTC [+]
20:21 nubbins` just kind of odd to see people selling metals for btc these days
20:22 benkay almost as odd as physical bitcoins, eh?
20:22 mircea_popescu lol
20:22 mircea_popescu what;s so odd about it ?
20:23 nubbins` ah, i guess i'm just making the assumption that he initially bought these metals with btc
20:23 nubbins` that may not be the case
20:23 mircea_popescu seems improbable.
20:23 nubbins` well, the alternative (that he's buying btc with fiat via PMs) makes a lot more sense
20:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02316222 = 0.2085 BTC [+] {4}
20:24 nubbins` i guess never really occurred to me, as i've only done the opposite
20:25 mircea_popescu the uppitty tortilla character supposedly got into btc by trading his silver stash
20:26 kakobrekla better tortilla than usagi
20:26 kakobrekla both sound like dishes
20:26 mircea_popescu i thought usagi sold his guitar.
20:26 nubbins` heh!
20:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00090275 = 5.3262 BTC [-]
20:27 nubbins` i had bought about $2000 worth of btc before i realized that it made far more sense to sell goods and services for btc
20:27 nubbins` i think the first thing i sold was a btc logo t-shirt
20:28 kakobrekla "get me some sushi and some raw usagi! And bring a spoon, cant put my eyes out with these sticks even if i wanted"
20:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1615 @ 0.00090364 = 1.4594 BTC [+]
20:37 mircea_popescu diametric ello.
20:38 diametric hey
20:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00090366 = 10.9343 BTC [+]
20:47 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/encarnacao-do-demonio-1.jpg
20:50 diametric fun
21:01 mircea_popescu apparently google imaging "site:trilema.com tits" and other dirty words yields a bevy of cool stuff.
21:01 mircea_popescu i guess now i know what i'll be doing when i'll be a dried up geezer.
21:03 diametric mircea_popescu: yeah i don't know if you realized, but you left directory indexes on
21:03 mircea_popescu tis deliberate
21:04 BingoBoingo Since I seem to get most of my traffic from addressing n00b traps http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/12/15/dogecoin-the-impeding-danger-of-old-meme/ So Doge
21:05 diametric mircea_popescu: so i take it you've been informed of my digital fabrication abilities?
21:05 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isnย’t it?"
21:06 pankkake I wget -r trilema but besides a few old blog headers nothing much interesting
21:06 asciilifeform diametric makes very nifty flying machines. and scanned head busts. and other goodies.
21:07 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No doubt, but embarassement is a force of education
21:07 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo turns out i had copied ther whole line
21:07 mircea_popescu anyway, you might wish to do your htaccess tolerantly, so http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/12/15/dogecoin-the-impeding-danger-of-old-meme/%20So%20Doge still resolves
21:07 BingoBoingo Really?
21:08 BingoBoingo Ah
21:09 BingoBoingo I usually just left click links. I forget that there's 800 different ways to move them from the IRC client to the browser.
21:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00090444 = 3.1655 BTC [+]
21:10 mircea_popescu i don't trust auto-anything.
21:12 mircea_popescu holy shit, dogecoin is an actual thing ?
21:12 mircea_popescu i thought we were kidding around
21:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No, It's a scrypt altcoin, roughly 100 billion coins if I counted the zeros right glancing at it.
21:13 nubbins` such faucet, for real
21:17 benkay it gets better
21:17 benkay random block rewards
21:17 BingoBoingo DogeCOin, SO thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0
21:17 diametric its a hilarious satirical coin
21:18 jurov and someone is actually pumping it
21:18 benkay to the doge
21:18 jurov wow
21:19 benkay so pump
21:19 nubbins` "what is with the digger built into the QT. I never got it running, always said no dig such fail."
21:19 nubbins` heheh
21:19 mircea_popescu actually block rewards equal to say the 5th digit of the nonce are an interesting idea
21:20 pankkake stupider coins have been created
21:20 pankkake coins made to be bad got traded
21:20 mircea_popescu basically, the longer a block interval, the lower the reward
21:20 mircea_popescu gives the coin an incentive to spontaneously die
21:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00090444 = 10.2654 BTC [+]
21:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00295017 = 1.4751 BTC [+] {6}
21:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9847 @ 0.00090366 = 8.8983 BTC [-]
21:43 fiat500 https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/commits/master
21:43 fiat500 l.o.l
21:45 pankkake haha nice. even the username is funny
21:51 diametric they changed all the buttons too
21:52 benkay doge forever
21:55 benkay https://coinedup.com/OrderBook?market=DOGE&base=BTC
21:56 ozbot Coined Up - The FREE Crypto-Only Currency Exchange
21:56 benkay 2 satoshi spread
21:56 frb a coin whose only redeeming feature is that it is named after an internet meme
21:56 frb what could go wrong?
21:57 benkay many noob
21:58 fiat500 http://dogechain.info/
21:58 ozbot Dogecoin
21:58 fiat500 they went all out
21:59 benkay i think it's a stunt to drive business for http://www.designinghypermediaapis.com/ butttttt i may be wrong
21:59 the20year1 Is it possible to tie a new altcoin to btc addresses?
22:00 the20year1 It'd be pretty cool to spawn off an altcoin backed by real estate through our bitcoin realestate business, but i don't know of any viable way to do it
22:00 BingoBoingo benkay: That has to be the saddest site on the internet
22:01 benkay not as bad as ur moms
22:01 benkay or mpex
22:02 fiat500 im digging for doge now
22:02 BingoBoingo benkay: There is a distinct difference between badness and sadness as a question of being different kinds of properties.
22:02 fiat500 very moon
22:04 benkay BingoBoingo: i don't know that i buy asciilifeform's ball-o-mud argument on urbit yet. given enough traction wouldn't it make sense to rewrite the important bits for fpgas or what have we?
22:05 benkay granted i don't know anything about anything, and there's the whole keyboard and display thing to deal with
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00090366 = 2.7562 BTC [-]
22:08 BingoBoingo benkay: Well You can spec a Turing complete language on a napkin in the bar. What takes time is building an implementation that runs on something. For most applications now, the various *nix's are going to be the best things available. If you want to write a new future of computing though instead of inventing Urbit someone could have just as well made a *nix that only offered as a Userland GNU Guile. It seems to me the Closest thi
22:08 BingoBoingo ng to Urbit and the thing that highlights its futility is Clojure.
22:09 the20year1 Anyone have an answer to my question?
22:10 benkay the20year1: what on earth do you mean by 'tie a new altcoin to btc addresses'?
22:10 mircea_popescu http://www.harlanellison.com/heboard/ihnm/code/hypertxt.htm
22:10 mircea_popescu this is a sadder site
22:10 mircea_popescu than anything
22:10 nubbins` BingoBoingo: game?
22:11 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Why not, give me some time to set up the board
22:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Bootstrap could make it sadder.
22:11 nubbins` great, we'll get gribble to flip
22:11 BingoBoingo Cool
22:12 BingoBoingo I'll take tails since you know the flippage
22:12 nubbins` ;;flip
22:12 gribble Error: "flip" is not a valid command.
22:12 nubbins` i mean, uh!
22:12 nubbins` ;;coin
22:12 gribble tails
22:12 mircea_popescu ;;coin
22:12 gribble heads
22:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00090444 = 8.2304 BTC [+]
22:12 mircea_popescu gribs gives me such heads.
22:13 nubbins` many flip, so dispute resolution
22:14 benkay BingoBoingo: babes have arrived, i'll grill ya later
22:15 pankkake what year was the worst thing that happened to the U.S. dollar?
22:15 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Which flip are we using?
22:15 BingoBoingo pankkake: 1934
22:15 nubbins` BingoBoingo: you can go ahead
22:15 pankkake thanks
22:15 mircea_popescu nah, the war.
22:15 nubbins` we'll use mine
22:15 mircea_popescu dollar split, the north was like, 1:2
22:15 mircea_popescu the south like 1:5
22:16 nubbins` i can recall trading cad:usd at like 1.4:1 before going on vacation as a kid
22:16 asciilifeform benkay: happy to answe that one.
22:17 BingoBoingo nubbins`: I'll start with 1. d4 then
22:17 nubbins` d5
22:17 asciilifeform urbit (or any other graph-reduction machine with 'immutable data') is exquisitely unsuited to hardware. at least in this universe.
22:17 BingoBoingo c4
22:17 nubbins` e5
22:17 benkay asciilifeform: why is that? do forgive my complete ignorance of the domain...
22:18 asciilifeform the whole 'immutability' thing is an outcome of a decades-long acid trip by 'mathematical cs' wankers
22:18 BingoBoingo dxe5
22:18 mircea_popescu lol
22:18 nubbins` d4
22:18 asciilifeform they have this notion that if you constrain the system in various odd and quite unpleasant ways, you will then be able to mathematically prove useful facts about it.
22:19 asciilifeform but 'you can't transition from the informal to the formal by formal means'
22:19 asciilifeform the proof doesn't tell you anything about your priors being valid
22:19 BingoBoingo e3
22:20 asciilifeform and reality has a nasty habit of violating your priors. because a physical machine is not a mathematical object.
22:20 asciilifeform 'spherical horse.'
22:20 nubbins` c6
22:20 randomcloud Something-something you can play chess here?
22:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.0009032 = 18.8317 BTC [-] {4}
22:21 BingoBoingo Nf3
22:21 nubbins` randomcloud: after a fashion
22:21 nubbins` Bf4+
22:22 nubbins` sorry
22:22 nubbins` Bb4+
22:23 BingoBoingo Bd2
22:23 asciilifeform author of urbit wrote some pretty good screeds on why he quit academic cs: (http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html and http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html) and then proceeded to... well, do what he did.
22:24 nubbins` Qe7
22:24 BingoBoingo BxB
22:25 nubbins` Nxb4
22:26 BingoBoingo nubbins`: You have a Knight facing b4?
22:26 nubbins` should be one on c6
22:26 BingoBoingo Ah.
22:26 nubbins` just after "Spherical horse"
22:27 nubbins` we can rewind if you like
22:27 BingoBoingo Nxd4
22:28 nubbins` Nh6
22:29 benkay asciilifeform: doesn't immutability also help averagely-talented software teams operate in highly threaded environments?
22:29 nubbins` asciilifeform: quitting something and giving it up are two different things, i guess ;D
22:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00090275 = 2.5277 BTC [-]
22:30 asciilifeform not only that, but it helps to feed memory and disk manufacturers' children!
22:30 asciilifeform job creation!
22:30 asciilifeform and so on.
22:30 BingoBoingo Be2
22:30 nubbins` Bg4
22:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00090196 = 6.2235 BTC [-]
22:31 BingoBoingo BxB
22:33 benkay asciilifeform: doesn't shitty code that gets hardware deployed against its performance problems carry more responsibility for that?
22:33 nubbins` Nxg4
22:33 asciilifeform benkay: if 'nothing ever actually gets deleted' isn't shitty, i don't know what it.
22:34 BingoBoingo Qxg4
22:34 asciilifeform decreeing that buildings shall have water pipes but no drains would make the lives of construction crews easier, but for some odd reason isn't a popular idea.
22:34 nubbins` 0-0
22:35 BingoBoingo Nf5
22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00090444 = 6.5572 BTC [+]
22:37 nubbins` Nc2
22:37 nubbins` +
22:38 benkay ah so you object to urbit's low-level immutability
22:38 BingoBoingo Ke2
22:38 asciilifeform that was simply an answer to the question 'if it catches on, won't someone slip appropriate silicon under it.'
22:38 nubbins` Re8
22:39 BingoBoingo Qxg7++
22:39 nubbins` ah hahaha. gg.
22:39 BingoBoingo gg
22:40 BingoBoingo I have to say e5 was ballsy
22:40 nubbins` thought i'd try stirring up the pot early
22:40 nubbins` really it was that whole bishop/knight/queen trade that did me in, i think
22:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00090444 = 6.2406 BTC [+]
22:41 nubbins` i'd play again if you're up for it
22:42 BingoBoingo Sure Do you want me to flip this time?
22:42 nubbins` yeah, go ahead. i'll call heads
22:43 BingoBoingo ;;coin
22:43 gribble heads
22:43 nubbins` 1. e4
22:44 BingoBoingo d6
22:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.001 = 0.12 BTC
22:45 nubbins` Nc3
22:46 BingoBoingo Nf6
22:46 nubbins` Nf3
22:47 BingoBoingo g6
22:47 nubbins` d3
22:47 BingoBoingo Bg7
22:49 nubbins` e5
22:50 BingoBoingo dxe5
22:50 mircea_popescu http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-15/jpmorgans-bitcoin-alternative-patent-rejected-175-times
22:50 ozbot JPMorgan's "Bitcoin-Alternative" Patent Rejected (175 Times) | Zero Hedge
22:50 mircea_popescu herp
22:51 benkay is this the layer on top of the credit card processing system thing?
22:52 nubbins` d3
22:52 nubbins` sorry, d4
22:53 BingoBoingo exd4
22:53 nubbins` Nxd4
22:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00090196 = 4.2392 BTC [-]
22:55 BingoBoingo 0-0
22:55 mircea_popescu ya
22:55 nubbins` f3
22:55 BingoBoingo Nf6
22:56 nubbins` i think you already have N on f6
22:56 nubbins` yeah, just after 2nd last assbot
22:56 BingoBoingo AH, Nc6
22:56 BingoBoingo Sorry, I'm running low on VOdka
22:57 nubbins` Be3
22:57 truffles chatroom chess?
22:57 nubbins` they have this vodka that comes in a glass skull here
22:57 BingoBoingo e5
22:57 nubbins` truffles: bingo is 1-0
22:58 nubbins` well i guess 3-0 all total at this point
22:58 truffles so ure not so good
22:58 nubbins` maybe more
22:58 nubbins` no
22:58 BingoBoingo For the night. Career I believe it is 4-0, someone else played a game at a point
22:59 truffles no Qf7 ?
22:59 BingoBoingo I lose a bunch IRL though. And back when CoinChat was a thing I lost quite a few games there
23:00 nubbins` Be2
23:01 BingoBoingo exNd4
23:02 nubbins` Qxd4
23:02 BingoBoingo Nc6xd4
23:03 nubbins` Bxd4
23:03 BingoBoingo Qxd4
23:04 nubbins` 0-0-0
23:04 BingoBoingo I don't know that Castling through check is legal...
23:04 nubbins` hm, that's a good point
23:04 asciilifeform afaik nope.
23:04 Apocalyptic it's indeed not
23:04 nubbins` aha, you're right
23:05 mircea_popescu scam castle!
23:05 nubbins` 0-0
23:06 BingoBoingo I believe that would be actively castling into check...
23:06 nubbins` HAHA. thinking > drinking
23:06 nubbins` third time's a charm?
23:06 BingoBoingo About to pour another one soon.
23:06 BingoBoingo Sure.
23:07 nubbins` Nd1
23:08 BingoBoingo Nd5
23:09 nubbins` Rc1
23:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00090196 = 4.5098 BTC [-]
23:09 BingoBoingo Re8
23:10 nubbins` g3
23:11 BingoBoingo Bh6
23:12 nubbins` Nf2
23:14 BingoBoingo BxRc1
23:14 nubbins` Ng4
23:15 BingoBoingo Qd1+
23:16 nubbins` Kxd1
23:17 BingoBoingo Bxb2
23:18 nubbins` Nh6+
23:18 BingoBoingo Kg7
23:20 nubbins` h4
23:20 BingoBoingo Kxh6
23:21 nubbins` g4
23:22 BingoBoingo Ne3+
23:24 nubbins` Ke1
23:25 BingoBoingo Nxg4
23:26 nubbins` xg4
23:26 BingoBoingo Bxg4
23:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00090444 = 4.7031 BTC [+]
23:28 nubbins` Nc4
23:28 nubbins` sorry
23:28 nubbins` Bc4
23:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00090469 = 18.4104 BTC [+] {2}
23:29 nubbins` wait, no
23:29 nubbins` D;
23:29 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Pretty sure moving that Bishop opens you to check...
23:29 asciilifeform re: urbit: anyone curious about my answer to the quandary 'so, how the hell /should/ we build a computer' is invited to read:
23:29 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1361
23:29 ozbot Loper OS ยป The Alert Reader.
23:29 nubbins` Rh2.
23:30 BingoBoingo RxB+
23:30 nubbins` Rxe2
23:31 BingoBoingo BxR
23:31 nubbins` Kxe2
23:31 nubbins` ha ha, now it's a game
23:31 BingoBoingo Kh5
23:31 nubbins` Kd3
23:32 BingoBoingo f5
23:33 nubbins` Ke3
23:33 BingoBoingo Kg4
23:34 nubbins` c4
23:35 BingoBoingo Re8
23:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00090551 = 14.7145 BTC [+] {2}
23:35 BingoBoingo +
23:35 nubbins` Kd4
23:35 BingoBoingo Bishop...
23:36 nubbins` Kd2
23:36 nubbins` sloppy
23:36 BingoBoingo f4
23:36 BingoBoingo It happens
23:36 nubbins` c5
23:37 BingoBoingo f3
23:38 nubbins` Ke1
23:38 nubbins` nope
23:38 nubbins` lel
23:38 nubbins` Kc2
23:39 BingoBoingo f2
23:39 nubbins` Kxb2
23:39 kakobrekla nubbins` sank my boat :(
23:39 nubbins` beep bloop!
23:39 BingoBoingo Re3
23:40 nubbins` you got me, gg
23:40 BingoBoingo gg
23:41 BingoBoingo I completely forgot the King could take pieces when I went Qd1
23:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00090113 = 37.7573 BTC [-] {4}
23:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.24075319 = 3.8521 BTC [+] {5}
23:45 nubbins` yeah, i'm officially done with chess for the night
23:46 nubbins` can't even keep it straight
23:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
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