#pest | 2024-06-25

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-24#1033989 << I also try to stay away from Python.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-24#1033991 << Clearly Mr Sykkel knows what he is doing.

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I am using my own Java implementation.

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siemstress: The cyber-security industry is quite prominent in Singapore, is it not?

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asciilifeform: Earlier I showed "siemstress" that article of yours titled On the Matter of Brian Krebs.

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asciilifeform: Are you familiar with the OSCP, OSEP, and OSED certifications?

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Last year someone asked me what I thought about his plan to enter the cyber-security industry.

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I responded that it seemed to me that small number of people who discovered zero-day exploitations were the only ones worth hiring.

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The other 95 percent or more of personnel seemed to be products of job-creation. I would be glad to hear what others in this channel think.

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EDIT. "the small number of people"

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03:56

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-24#1033981 << The rise of China will break the stalemate.

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04:34

who is siemstress?

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05:00

I see you're coming through jonseks station, are you a friend?

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My peering config is borked so I wouldn't know who's peered with who at the moment

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something something nat bweeh

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-19#1033901 << real interesting, I have first hand experience with GWM vehicles, can confirm that the australian imports are hot garbage

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the really interesting thing is they can't seem to make soft rubber

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cv boots, seals, etc are all truly rubbish

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but on the other hand you can get cheap tyres from them

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the design of all the global market stuff is no better than any other name brand crap

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it just all seems to scale back down to materials

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034011 << A friend of mine who is in Singapore.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034012 << I am connected to "asciilifeform" through "jonsykkel," and she is connected through me.

05:07

remind me where you're from again gregor? hk?

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ah so you're not actually peered directly with stani

05:08

I tried setting up a peering with him a couple times but yeah my nat config is throwing his packets

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somehow i have a window to the world through jonsek but no-one else

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034026 << Mainland of China.

05:09

Oh right

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034029 << The C implementation of "jonsykkel" works very well.

05:10

well what's your take on the chinese internal market? surely you'd have some kind of insight as to the actual state of affairs?

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i didn't realise jonsek was written in C, I thought he exists as a pure expression of machine code... :P

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034035 << Chinese manufacturing has been strong. Prices have been driven down in order to reach domestic customers in lower-income areas.

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This has resulted in a wave of cheap appliances. You can buy a good vacuum-cleaner or portable oven for 35 USD.

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05:46

my pestron sux guys (altho to be expected imo since it is first iteration)

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and c99 isnt rely suited for most of wat a pestron consists of

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i think ok aproch to writing batlefild pestron would be if most logics were done in cl and then u ffi into a tiny libliquishit.a that handles all cryptogiraffics and shovels black pakets from udp pipe in multi threads

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id prefribly write lib in asebly but acording 2 logs theres problem with sokets

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(asciilifeform) 2020-07-26 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 0 chance of portability on unixlikes w/out the c bindings, cuz the built-in structs actually vary in size & layout b/w not only irons (endianism etc) but even particular os

05:46

maybe u have some thoughts about that ascii life form

05:57

well ideally you'd bypass liquidshit and pump your packets to a mystical black box in the form of ice-40 etc

06:00

as stani mentioned earlier, interest in building much more for the pest network in it's current state is non-existent at best

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i'm not suggesting as if I have any ideas, I'm currently trying to consign myself to an edukayshun institution because I've got nfi how to proceed

06:02

I don't have any of the skills to do diddly squat and I haven't got the capacity to self motivate at this juncture

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if anyone here has any better ideas than student debt and the promise of a slip of paper, I'm all ears

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I stopped working for a few months at the end of august last year in a crude attempt to self-motivate

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got absolutely nowhere

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even taking up the consideration that something is severely fucked in my neurochemistry

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as far as i can tel any existing slip of paper issuing instiution in world has 0 or probably negative impact on skillz

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given they are systems that encourage and select for obedience, tunel vision and other monky behaviors

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while punishing thinking and creating

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08:01

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034055 << The purpose of education was never to reward intelligence directly.

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Likewise, universities were not meant to function as career-schools as they do today.

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I have long wondered what a "computing guild" would have looked like, not that such an institution would be free of corruption itself.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034042 << This implementation-pattern was well established within the Tcl community.

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That is, one writes an .so file with the basic functions, and then writes the routines using Tcl, connecting the two using FFI.

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(awtho) That’s how I implemented Akris - used portions of smalpest for the .so.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034064 << I have not yet used Akris. Does it start two processes, one for the GUI and the other for the data-processing?

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(awtho) Yes. They communicate via sockets.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033451 << it aint an 'industry' in the 19-20th c. sense of the word. 100% of 'cybersekooriti' shops live on a) usg grantolade b) 'investors' aka money printer go brr. the actual technical labour is theatrical.

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Logged on 2024-06-25 03:38:45 gregorynyssa[billymg]: The other 95 percent or more of personnel seemed to be products of job-creation. I would be glad to hear what others in this channel think.

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if you try to run such a 'biz' as if it were an actual biz, e.g. roadside sandwich shop, you will lose shirt

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nobody afaik anywhere discusses this. largely because discussing this fact moar or less disqualifies you from participating

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'security' aint a business, naive folx who propose (or even attempt to market) actual, honest, permanent solutions to the problems this 'industry' supposedly addresses -- very quickly go broke

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it moar closely resembles e.g. the vendors who supplied the scaled down triremes etc. to roman emperor titus , who staged gladiatorial naval battles in flooded colosseum

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i.e. the only pertinent items, in order of importance: 1) proximity to money printer 2) visual quality of theatrical props 3) -- dead last -- performance at the nominal task

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The Overton Window of modern society is highly constrained.

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14:22

hmm loox like 1 line is in my logger but not bitdash one

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gregorynyssa: i'ma give concrete example. after 'virustotal' was bought by the moneyprinter folx for $b, asciilifeform + coupla other d00dz opened a shop where baked malware analyzer on custom hardware, i.e. not detectable from the inside (vt's was trivially detectable), supported dissection of e.g. fw & gpu diddlers, etc

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no prizes for guessing where this went.

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we didn't have an 'in' into usg/tbtf circles, consequently no '$b valuations', nuffin but... the product

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which, as it happens, aint needed anywhere.

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cuz it aint, in pseudoindustries, ever, at any pt, 'about the product'.

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is ~always, w/out exception, about -- the pedigree

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didn't help that our fuhrer (naive -- but with a bit of dough -- immigrant) spent $maxint on a (lol) patent

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but even w/out this, result in retrospect was quite predictable imho

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033495 << a) 'credential inflation'(tm) b) generally you can't get a ~zero-interest loan from bank simply to sit sadly in bed, but ~can~ to 'attend university'. hence over90000 'students' with not even necessarily delusions of employability, simply 'warehoused'

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Logged on 2024-06-25 08:02:22 gregorynyssa[billymg]: Likewise, universities were not meant to function as career-schools as they do today.

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they go in for 2nd, 3rd, nth diplomas, too

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asciilifeform lives in a 'college town', sees this with naked eye erryday

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good % of (the males, at least) are really simply paying to be somewhere where they (think) can get fuck

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033487 << the paper -- unless yer specifically aiming to work in usg bureaucracy -- can be 100% guaranteed to do precisely 0

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Logged on 2024-06-25 06:03:26 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel]: if anyone here has any better ideas than student debt and the promise of a slip of paper, I'm all ears

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(and in the bureaucracy, aint any kinda guarantee of employability, is simply ~minimal bar)

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033490 << imho if yer meat is saying to you that you're wasting yer time, it is likely right

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Logged on 2024-06-25 06:05:18 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel]: even taking up the consideration that something is severely fucked in my neurochemistry

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the meat's 'sense of frustration' is equally important a function of healthy meat as sense of pain when touching a flame

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billymg

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033510 << weird, i see it in my terminal as well. possibly stuck and will get shaken loose after this message

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Logged on 2024-06-25 14:22:16 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|billymg]: hmm loox like 1 line is in my logger but not bitdash one

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billymg

hrm, nope

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034097 << I think I failed to convey what I'm actually asking here

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Stating the obvious doesn't really constitute as an answer. What I'm asking for is alternatives

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(awtho) What is your goal?

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to learn the content of an equiv. degree in electrical engineering and then some

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(awtho) Ah ok. I have no experience with that.

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I just have some kind of mental barrier to actually *doing* valuable learning exercise

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That's alright jonsek

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generally I'd presume the process for learning anything would be the same independent of field

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(awtho) Well, other than building a z80 based computer. Kindergarten stuff though.

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Well jonsek, have you considered that maybe I really am just at the "kindergarten" level, at least if that's how you see it, then sure.

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(awtho) This is awt btw

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oh ok, my bad

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I'm not sure how I failed to pick up on that

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(awtho) I would suggest starting with something very simple, like getting a bread board, chip, and oscilloscope, and supplying it with power.

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sure I've got all that stuff right here with the exception of an oscilloscope

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(awtho) I guess in that case you can get some LEDs to test the output.

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I'd have to order them, I've got chips configurable from a higher level, dirty arduino, couple spi peripherals

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(awtho) Order a bunch. I burned several figuring out resistors.

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is it best to have an oscilloscope as a voltage source?

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does the capacity to learn ultimately come down to the desire?

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(awtho) Oscilloscope comes in handy when debugging frequency related issues, among other things. For the voltage source you need a transformer if you want to use wall power.

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(awtho) Desire or motivation.

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a transformer, as in just a proper variable power supply

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well sure being held a gunpoint is a pretty good motivator, but in the case of self-motivation pointing a gun at yourself isn't going to achieve a hell of a lot. so i'd say desire

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(awtho) Panic can achieve a great deal

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(awtho) You can build your own power supply easily. Or yes you can buy one.

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20:27

well I guess all you're doing is really just dropping wall voltage and putting in low-current circuit protection

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034081 << By what means was this device connected to the computer? Did it use PCI Express?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034092 << I had not realized that you chose to settle next to your college in Maryland.

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At one point when I was in college, I was planning just to settle nearby as well.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-02#1025717 << Has any more research been done regarding why (assuming that a mechanical or doctrinal reason existed) the USA and USSR went through a decline in engineering around the same time?

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