#ossasepia | 2020-04-27

huh, nicoleci @ bimboclub can publish apparently even daily records, what weekly

03:23

or uhm, was she only mocking poor feedbot so it reported one as three, lmao.

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04:44

spyked

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-25#1025242 <-- I'm grabbing them off http://logs.ossasepia.com/static/log_db.gz once in a while; are you planning to decommission ossabot?

04:44

Logged on 2020-04-25 16:42:34 diana_coman: for that matter - hanbot , spyked , trinque , BingoBoingo - do you want dumps of the logs for your chans?

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05:09

spyked: yes, that's the full db dump (postgres), I had even forgotten about it; I guess you're right and whoever wants them can just grab that one with all and be up to date on their chan anyway.

05:09

BingoBoingo: ^ the log_db.gz has it all, as spyked says.

05:13

spyked: re ossabot - tbh I don't see the point for keeping it up at this juncture; I'll get around to make a script to update all the links from current loggers and with that, I can finally get rid of the flask with all it zugwerk and assorted shit; even if I consider redundancy, I'd much rather run another copy of sonofawitch on the logs server though atm it sounds like major overkill to me

05:14

for a while I'll just let them be both in parallel merely to not keep that server idle until I decide what to do with it otherwise but dunno - do you see any specific case to keep ossabot up?

05:16

dorion: ping me when you are around.

05:17

any ossabot users - let me know if there's some other functionality/whatever you find useful and is currently missing from sonofawitch & blog-based setup.

05:30

whaack: what happened to you in the end?

05:31

jurov: as I understand it, you are currently the de facto owner of "bitcoin foundation", is that correct?

05:33

BingoBoingo: how's the montevideo standard doing? are you still working on/with those scripts otherwise or is that of no use/interest for this new thing?

05:37

spyked

diana_coman, tbh I haven't yet used the mpwp-based log frontend enough to stumble upon any missing functionality. I'll give it a try for a week or so, I'll let you know if I find something missing

05:37

spyked

(and well, probably more than a week, given that this is going to be the main logger for #o)

05:41

spyked: sounds good, thanks.

05:42

as illustrated earlier, sonofawitch cites the lines too if you use the links from the blog

~ 4 hours 14 minutes ~

09:57

diana_coman: voice model's params should be working as expected now. I'm around all day, so lmk if not.

09:58

in other news, I tried raising ave1 on the comms a few times to avoid repeating work, to no avail.

09:59

I've rewritten that gcc bootstrapper such that one can actually tell where the flags for the build are coming from. the thing was a heinous piece of shit (long before ave1 found it and patched)

10:01

I've got the whole thing weighing in at less than 100loc, produces static gcc, gnat, binutils

10:02

this is part of a larger bootstrapping project which builds a busybox+musl env which can rebuild the entire toolchain.

10:04

rather, which can build an environment within which the toolchain can be reliably rebuilt

10:04

I ought to have an item to share soon

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10:30

feedbot

http://trilema.com/2020/so-those-idiots-in-france/ << Trilema -- So those idiots in France...

~ 4 hours 25 minutes ~

14:56

http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025309 - I've simplified a lot, I'll have a final draft to you in 24h.

14:56

2020-04-26 21:51:53 (#ossasepia) jfw: dorion: how's it going with the sales article revisions?

14:59

hi diana_coman, I'm present.

15:06

trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway?

15:11

dorion: what's your plan re using those resources ?

15:11

2020-04-16 17:35:08 (#ossasepia) dorion: more charged when I consider what it cost me, but I'm ready to move forward and use the resources I sitll have.

15:14

diana_coman, the first priority is to pick back up with the planning and reporting.

15:18

well, if it's too much structure to maintain directly, work out something else that you can maintain and still provides some reliable way of interaction & communication otherwise

15:18

http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/27/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Apr-2020/#1025347 - alright

15:18

2020-04-27 20:56:24 (#ossasepia) dorion: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025309 - I've simplified a lot, I'll have a final draft to you in 24h.

15:20

dorion: do you plan anything with your own blog?

15:20

diana_coman it was these last few weeks, or at least I let it be too much.

15:21

diana_coman yes, I plan to pick back up the writing.

15:21

diana_coman: re the new logs, some features coming to mind are date forward/backward links, a stable URL for the live log for a given channel, and raw log access

15:23

jfw: hm, for the first 2 I thought the category works well enough; not a big issue to add them otherwise if they really save that much trouble, huh

15:24

raw log yes, can set up a db dump of the logs and link it, it's even somewhere on the list indeed

15:24

dorion: ok then, guess I'll see that happening anyway.

15:25

ah, category might be fine, I'll give that usage a try. Would just lose the browser back/forward chain through dates.

15:34

diana_coman: With the lack of news I have had to cover I have been making a deep dive into the world of livestreaming these past few weeks trying to connect to the kids today.

15:35

I do the news, but the absurdity of how little is happening in the world... it turns my news reporting into a deadpan act

15:37

I'm still playing with the scripts, but I've had so little news to spread that I've been trying to make the most of it by putting myself on cam

15:37

And trying to socially engineer an audience

15:38

And learning the whole AV thing the hard way. Turns out concrete walls suck for microphone echo, so mitigating that is an ongoing battle

15:39

ah, so http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/25/ossasepia-logs-for-25-apr-2020/#1025220 is from experience!

15:39

2020-04-25 06:42:19 (#ossasepia) BingoBoingo: Still, no video solution today is not shitty in profound ways. Zoom mostly just "works" for sad yet common values of works

15:40

jfw: It is

15:41

I have a blog post that's been baking, but as I learn more it keeps needing profound revisions

15:42

BingoBoingo: it's a direction to explore I suppose; at least you learn about recordings and videos, after all.

15:43

I've so far managed to socially engineer a very loyal if very small audience

15:43

BingoBoingo: do they come to talk to you on irc otherwise? or adverse to it ?

15:44

diana_coman: They seem averse to it. They are all prisoners of the walled garden world.

15:45

I tell them I'm down here in Uruguay live from the free world, they tell me how bad it is in the zone

15:45

BingoBoingo: how do you see this audience-to-be-built useful to you?

15:45

uhm; that sounds so much like ...idle chat at the gates, dunno

15:46

maybe I'm just too harsh or something but I'd rather go and count the trees in the woods, for sure.

15:46

diana_coman: I see it as part of the ongoing war against Pantsuit. It does seem to devolve frequently into idle chat. I just keep hammering that down here in Best America, I am free. They in North America are not.

15:47

I've done some streams from the great outdoors too.

15:48

I don't expect much out of this except the fun I get from the trolling

15:48

And the lessons in how to video. And the opportunity to expose myself and wade through the shit.

15:48

well, I wish you all the best there; I have ample experience listening to people *complaining* about the same issues over and over and over (and over!) again for 20 years and even agreeing with all sorts of solutions and options and whatnots - still doing exactly 0.

15:51

Thank you. It's just such a weird different thing that I'm still trying to probe where it could go if it isn't a deadend by design.

15:52

nothing wrong with that, for sure.

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16:11

Anyways, the platform I've been using has a random "versus challenge" that pairs streamers up and puts them side by side. The bulk of what that turns up is naked dudes in bed waiting for a girl, but every now and then a redditor cries because they are triggered by my being outside.

16:11

oh huh, on platform too

16:12

I don't know of any sane streaming thing, so it's the sad situation where I'm wading through a walled garden full of shit

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16:30

hm, apparently my connection is acting up today

16:40

diana_coman, ah, so it's still today (not yet tonight), which means my publishing of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025303 still qualifies as on time!

16:40

Logged on 2020-04-26 16:45:47 cruciform: diana_coman, I went from not-doing-a-lot-inside to not-doing-a-lot outside for the last few days; I'll have a post up by tomorrow eve http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025296

16:41

cruciform: well, I'm still in the UK, yes! (logger's own server is not in the UK though, so it keeps its own time and todays/tomorrows, lolz)

16:42

trinque, I'm around for the next few hours http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025310

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Logged on 2020-04-26 20:30:54 trinque: lemme see, cruciform stick around a minute so we can sort this.

16:52

ha, congrats to former and current YH members for making apparently cruciform finally get off his arse!

16:56

lol, next step - stay off it!

16:57

cruciform: traditional implements for that come in all sorts of pointy and sharp shapes!

16:57

I knew my BDSM-y fears were legit!

16:58

fears are always legit! what you do with them though is ...flexible, lol

16:59

lol

16:59

aren't fears mostly spinning/psychogenic noise, most of the time?

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cruciform: well, how would you tell "mostly this or not", anyway? the way I see it, they are ...a signal; that's about it; usually it tends to be a signal of unknown rather than of anything else, true, but that's another thing anyway

17:03

diana_coman, good point re: how would one tell - I suppose the big problem with fears/anxiety is that they're difficult to self-diagnose, let alone self-treat

17:03

whereas a friend can be the voice of reason; tell you you're being stupid and they suddenly vanish

17:04

cruciform: dunno about that, "treatment" can be as simple as ...find a bigger fear, lol

17:04

diana_coman, see: I'd've never thought of that - problem solved!

17:05

ha! if you say it does, I'll believe it worked for you. (and yeah, I saw people who can calm down - if only there's someone calm in charge, sure)

17:07

cruciform: but you see, this is why I'm saying it's a signal - it's not random, no

17:08

this doesn't mean it says what you expect/like/were used to think it can say, though.

17:09

cruciform: hey, did voicing yourself work?

17:10

diana_coman, wrt finding a bigger fear, I've found that mechanism helpful in getting work done by making a concrete commitment: If I say I'll do something by a certain time, I fear more ruining my reputation by not delivering, than I “fear” getting off arse and doing the work

17:11

trinque, I don't think so; do I need to lose voice before I can try self-upping?

17:11

cruciform: heh, that's motivation by means of own pride; if it works, good enough; at some point you might finally develop immunity to "what others think" and so ...better find better ways to motivate yourself by then.

17:11

!!down #ossasepia cruciform

17:12

there, problem solved, cruciform ! try !!up now

17:13

trinque: cruciform says deedbot is still claiming he can't up himself

17:16

cruciform restored to talk-mode by direct poking at ChanServ

17:16

diana_coman, if not pride, what's a better way to motivate self?

17:17

heh - in a nutshell, own interest! seriously, the big difference there is external vs internal motivator

17:17

the "what" is not all that important - the source is more important

17:19

diana_coman, so, "I should do x because it'll be good for me", rather than "good for my self-image" (as in the case of pride)?

17:20

apparently cruciform turned out in the end a very citable article this time: "Now, it's pretty absurd that a 31 year old man can't stick to a weekly schedule" . I'll add to this - it is! Indeed, it is!!

17:20

cruciform: eh, there's no should!

17:20

"I will do x because I decided to do it!"

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and yeah, you get to define that decide - because it's good for you or because it's bad for you, entirely up to you; but ffs, decide and stick to it.

17:21

can even be "because I can't stand NOT doing it!!!"

17:22

perfectly valid and usually even works better

17:22

hm, this is pretty weird. cruciform it rejected your up request?

17:22

cruciform: try it again in here

17:22

!!up #ossasepia trinque

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Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=gk9o

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!!up ossasepia cruciform

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You may not !!up yourself.

17:23

!!v C2BE640EA53332C36C98D895D80916EBE36972DB711BE93BDEA94930244F6B96

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You are now voiced in #ossasepia

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!!up #ossasepia cruciform

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Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=VpK4

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haha

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the #

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hey, if we're at UX bugs, we're making progress

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ahaha

17:23

lets make sure the confirm works

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!!v E5EB00FBA8000C7D9E6CF7758777390D7EAFFA06BF4F038E91621BE7564033B6

17:24

You are now voiced in #ossasepia

17:24

yay!

17:24

trinque, thanks

17:24

hey np, glad it works.

17:31

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-27#1025350 << yeah, I ftr don't count ave1's work on the thing time wasted, but every time I went to build it I ran into some issue that was apparently only happening to me, w/e. when I went to try and fix the thing, I found it to be pointlessly complicated, not due to ave1, but the gregor guy that made it in the first place.

17:31

Logged on 2020-04-27 16:28:56 diana_coman: trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway?

17:31

so I finally said to hell with it all, and started chopping pieces out of it until I understood how each component was actually getting its inputs, and what each component took as directive to statically link.

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(and of course they all wanted different things: here's how you say it to gcc, here's how you say it to binutils, piles of bullshit more there)

17:33

myeah, I can imagine

17:34

in other logger testing, apparently cruciform's inverted quotation marks are not logger-approved, lol; I'll have to check that out.

17:38

diana_coman, so, motivation stems from a comitment to one'

17:38

s own will? http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-27#1025427

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Logged on 2020-04-27 18:43:07 diana_coman: "I will do x because I decided to do it!"

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cruciform: internal motivation stems from ...internal own life in a word, yes; absent/insufficient that internal own life, the only alternative is indeed outside motivation; funnily enough, it's there that you are going bdsm if you look for the way to be strongly motivated from the outside, lol.

17:44

also inside, potentially!

17:44

lol

17:47

re funny quote marks, they look like utf-8 to me, and the ossasepia.com page proclaims utf-8 too, so... I'd guess some part of the pipeline is reading as bytes/latin1 then writing back as unicode

17:48

myeah, most likely some unicode mess somewhere; I'll have the pleasure to dig to find out where.

17:48

anyways, it might need to wait a while in the long queue of stuff to do.

17:51

I'll be back tomorrow & with an article too.

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