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00:36 feedbot http://younghands.club/2020/04/27/jfw-plan-week-of-27-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW plan, week of 27 Apr 2020
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01:37 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2020/04/work-report-4262020/ << Bimbo Club -- Work Report - 4/26/2020
~ 1 hours 39 minutes ~
03:16 diana_coman huh, nicoleci @ bimboclub can publish apparently even daily records, what weekly
03:23 diana_coman or uhm, was she only mocking poor feedbot so it reported one as three, lmao.
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04:44 spyked http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-25#1025242 <-- I'm grabbing them off http://logs.ossasepia.com/static/log_db.gz once in a while; are you planning to decommission ossabot?
04:44 ossabot Logged on 2020-04-25 16:42:34 diana_coman: for that matter - hanbot , spyked , trinque , BingoBoingo - do you want dumps of the logs for your chans?
~ 25 minutes ~
05:09 diana_coman spyked: yes, that's the full db dump (postgres), I had even forgotten about it; I guess you're right and whoever wants them can just grab that one with all and be up to date on their chan anyway.
05:09 diana_coman BingoBoingo: ^ the log_db.gz has it all, as spyked says.
05:13 diana_coman spyked: re ossabot - tbh I don't see the point for keeping it up at this juncture; I'll get around to make a script to update all the links from current loggers and with that, I can finally get rid of the flask with all it zugwerk and assorted shit; even if I consider redundancy, I'd much rather run another copy of sonofawitch on the logs server though atm it sounds like major overkill to me
05:14 diana_coman for a while I'll just let them be both in parallel merely to not keep that server idle until I decide what to do with it otherwise but dunno - do you see any specific case to keep ossabot up?
05:16 diana_coman dorion: ping me when you are around.
05:17 diana_coman any ossabot users - let me know if there's some other functionality/whatever you find useful and is currently missing from sonofawitch & blog-based setup.
05:30 diana_coman whaack: what happened to you in the end?
05:31 diana_coman jurov: as I understand it, you are currently the de facto owner of "bitcoin foundation", is that correct?
05:33 diana_coman BingoBoingo: how's the montevideo standard doing? are you still working on/with those scripts otherwise or is that of no use/interest for this new thing?
05:37 spyked diana_coman, tbh I haven't yet used the mpwp-based log frontend enough to stumble upon any missing functionality. I'll give it a try for a week or so, I'll let you know if I find something missing
05:37 spyked (and well, probably more than a week, given that this is going to be the main logger for #o)
05:41 diana_coman spyked: sounds good, thanks.
05:42 diana_coman as illustrated earlier, sonofawitch cites the lines too if you use the links from the blog
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09:57 trinque diana_coman: voice model's params should be working as expected now. I'm around all day, so lmk if not.
09:58 trinque in other news, I tried raising ave1 on the comms a few times to avoid repeating work, to no avail.
09:59 trinque I've rewritten that gcc bootstrapper such that one can actually tell where the flags for the build are coming from. the thing was a heinous piece of shit (long before ave1 found it and patched)
10:01 trinque I've got the whole thing weighing in at less than 100loc, produces static gcc, gnat, binutils
10:02 trinque this is part of a larger bootstrapping project which builds a busybox+musl env which can rebuild the entire toolchain.
10:04 trinque rather, which can build an environment within which the toolchain can be reliably rebuilt
10:04 trinque I ought to have an item to share soon
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10:30 feedbot http://trilema.com/2020/so-those-idiots-in-france/ << Trilema -- So those idiots in France...
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14:56 dorion http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025309 - I've simplified a lot, I'll have a final draft to you in 24h.
14:56 sonofawitch 2020-04-26 21:51:53 (#ossasepia) jfw: dorion: how's it going with the sales article revisions?
14:59 dorion hi diana_coman, I'm present.
15:06 diana_coman trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway?
15:11 diana_coman dorion: what's your plan re using those resources ?
15:11 sonofawitch 2020-04-16 17:35:08 (#ossasepia) dorion: more charged when I consider what it cost me, but I'm ready to move forward and use the resources I sitll have.
15:14 dorion diana_coman, the first priority is to pick back up with the planning and reporting.
15:18 diana_coman well, if it's too much structure to maintain directly, work out something else that you can maintain and still provides some reliable way of interaction & communication otherwise
15:18 jfw http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/27/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Apr-2020/#1025347 - alright
15:18 sonofawitch 2020-04-27 20:56:24 (#ossasepia) dorion: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025309 - I've simplified a lot, I'll have a final draft to you in 24h.
15:20 diana_coman dorion: do you plan anything with your own blog?
15:20 dorion diana_coman it was these last few weeks, or at least I let it be too much.
15:21 dorion diana_coman yes, I plan to pick back up the writing.
15:21 jfw diana_coman: re the new logs, some features coming to mind are date forward/backward links, a stable URL for the live log for a given channel, and raw log access
15:23 diana_coman jfw: hm, for the first 2 I thought the category works well enough; not a big issue to add them otherwise if they really save that much trouble, huh
15:24 diana_coman raw log yes, can set up a db dump of the logs and link it, it's even somewhere on the list indeed
15:24 diana_coman dorion: ok then, guess I'll see that happening anyway.
15:25 jfw ah, category might be fine, I'll give that usage a try. Would just lose the browser back/forward chain through dates.
15:34 BingoBoingo diana_coman: With the lack of news I have had to cover I have been making a deep dive into the world of livestreaming these past few weeks trying to connect to the kids today.
15:35 BingoBoingo I do the news, but the absurdity of how little is happening in the world... it turns my news reporting into a deadpan act
15:37 BingoBoingo I'm still playing with the scripts, but I've had so little news to spread that I've been trying to make the most of it by putting myself on cam
15:37 BingoBoingo And trying to socially engineer an audience
15:38 BingoBoingo And learning the whole AV thing the hard way. Turns out concrete walls suck for microphone echo, so mitigating that is an ongoing battle
15:39 jfw ah, so http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/25/ossasepia-logs-for-25-apr-2020/#1025220 is from experience!
15:39 sonofawitch 2020-04-25 06:42:19 (#ossasepia) BingoBoingo: Still, no video solution today is not shitty in profound ways. Zoom mostly just "works" for sad yet common values of works
15:40 BingoBoingo jfw: It is
15:41 BingoBoingo I have a blog post that's been baking, but as I learn more it keeps needing profound revisions
15:42 diana_coman BingoBoingo: it's a direction to explore I suppose; at least you learn about recordings and videos, after all.
15:43 BingoBoingo I've so far managed to socially engineer a very loyal if very small audience
15:43 diana_coman BingoBoingo: do they come to talk to you on irc otherwise? or adverse to it ?
15:44 BingoBoingo diana_coman: They seem averse to it. They are all prisoners of the walled garden world.
15:45 BingoBoingo I tell them I'm down here in Uruguay live from the free world, they tell me how bad it is in the zone
15:45 diana_coman BingoBoingo: how do you see this audience-to-be-built useful to you?
15:45 diana_coman uhm; that sounds so much like ...idle chat at the gates, dunno
15:46 diana_coman maybe I'm just too harsh or something but I'd rather go and count the trees in the woods, for sure.
15:46 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I see it as part of the ongoing war against Pantsuit. It does seem to devolve frequently into idle chat. I just keep hammering that down here in Best America, I am free. They in North America are not.
15:47 BingoBoingo I've done some streams from the great outdoors too.
15:48 BingoBoingo I don't expect much out of this except the fun I get from the trolling
15:48 BingoBoingo And the lessons in how to video. And the opportunity to expose myself and wade through the shit.
15:48 diana_coman well, I wish you all the best there; I have ample experience listening to people *complaining* about the same issues over and over and over (and over!) again for 20 years and even agreeing with all sorts of solutions and options and whatnots - still doing exactly 0.
15:51 BingoBoingo Thank you. It's just such a weird different thing that I'm still trying to probe where it could go if it isn't a deadend by design.
15:52 diana_coman nothing wrong with that, for sure.
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16:11 BingoBoingo Anyways, the platform I've been using has a random "versus challenge" that pairs streamers up and puts them side by side. The bulk of what that turns up is naked dudes in bed waiting for a girl, but every now and then a redditor cries because they are triggered by my being outside.
16:11 diana_coman oh huh, on platform too
16:12 BingoBoingo I don't know of any sane streaming thing, so it's the sad situation where I'm wading through a walled garden full of shit
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16:30 diana_coman hm, apparently my connection is acting up today
16:40 cruciform diana_coman, ah, so it's still today (not yet tonight), which means my publishing of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025303 still qualifies as on time!
16:40 ossabot Logged on 2020-04-26 16:45:47 cruciform: diana_coman, I went from not-doing-a-lot-inside to not-doing-a-lot outside for the last few days; I'll have a post up by tomorrow eve http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025296
16:41 diana_coman cruciform: well, I'm still in the UK, yes! (logger's own server is not in the UK though, so it keeps its own time and todays/tomorrows, lolz)
16:42 cruciform trinque, I'm around for the next few hours http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025310
16:42 ossabot Logged on 2020-04-26 20:30:54 trinque: lemme see, cruciform stick around a minute so we can sort this.
16:52 diana_coman ha, congrats to former and current YH members for making apparently cruciform finally get off his arse!
16:56 cruciform lol, next step - stay off it!
16:57 diana_coman cruciform: traditional implements for that come in all sorts of pointy and sharp shapes!
16:57 cruciform I knew my BDSM-y fears were legit!
16:58 diana_coman fears are always legit! what you do with them though is ...flexible, lol
16:59 cruciform lol
16:59 cruciform aren't fears mostly spinning/psychogenic noise, most of the time?
17:01 diana_coman cruciform: well, how would you tell "mostly this or not", anyway? the way I see it, they are ...a signal; that's about it; usually it tends to be a signal of unknown rather than of anything else, true, but that's another thing anyway
17:03 cruciform diana_coman, good point re: how would one tell - I suppose the big problem with fears/anxiety is that they're difficult to self-diagnose, let alone self-treat
17:03 cruciform whereas a friend can be the voice of reason; tell you you're being stupid and they suddenly vanish
17:04 diana_coman cruciform: dunno about that, "treatment" can be as simple as ...find a bigger fear, lol
17:04 cruciform diana_coman, see: I'd've never thought of that - problem solved!
17:05 diana_coman ha! if you say it does, I'll believe it worked for you. (and yeah, I saw people who can calm down - if only there's someone calm in charge, sure)
17:07 diana_coman cruciform: but you see, this is why I'm saying it's a signal - it's not random, no
17:08 diana_coman this doesn't mean it says what you expect/like/were used to think it can say, though.
17:09 trinque cruciform: hey, did voicing yourself work?
17:10 cruciform diana_coman, wrt finding a bigger fear, I've found that mechanism helpful in getting work done by making a concrete commitment: If I say I'll do something by a certain time, I fear more ruining my reputation by not delivering, than I “fear” getting off arse and doing the work
17:11 cruciform trinque, I don't think so; do I need to lose voice before I can try self-upping?
17:11 diana_coman cruciform: heh, that's motivation by means of own pride; if it works, good enough; at some point you might finally develop immunity to "what others think" and so ...better find better ways to motivate yourself by then.
17:11 diana_coman !!down #ossasepia cruciform
17:12 diana_coman there, problem solved, cruciform ! try !!up now
17:13 diana_coman trinque: cruciform says deedbot is still claiming he can't up himself
17:16 diana_coman cruciform restored to talk-mode by direct poking at ChanServ
17:16 cruciform diana_coman, if not pride, what's a better way to motivate self?
17:17 diana_coman heh - in a nutshell, own interest! seriously, the big difference there is external vs internal motivator
17:17 diana_coman the "what" is not all that important - the source is more important
17:19 cruciform diana_coman, so, "I should do x because it'll be good for me", rather than "good for my self-image" (as in the case of pride)?
17:20 diana_coman apparently cruciform turned out in the end a very citable article this time: "Now, it's pretty absurd that a 31 year old man can't stick to a weekly schedule" . I'll add to this - it is! Indeed, it is!!
17:20 diana_coman cruciform: eh, there's no should!
17:20 diana_coman "I will do x because I decided to do it!"
17:21 diana_coman and yeah, you get to define that decide - because it's good for you or because it's bad for you, entirely up to you; but ffs, decide and stick to it.
17:21 diana_coman can even be "because I can't stand NOT doing it!!!"
17:22 diana_coman perfectly valid and usually even works better
17:22 trinque hm, this is pretty weird. cruciform it rejected your up request?
17:22 diana_coman cruciform: try it again in here
17:22 trinque !!up #ossasepia trinque
17:22 deedbot Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=gk9o
17:23 cruciform !!up ossasepia cruciform
17:23 deedbot You may not !!up yourself.
17:23 trinque !!v C2BE640EA53332C36C98D895D80916EBE36972DB711BE93BDEA94930244F6B96
17:23 deedbot You are now voiced in #ossasepia
17:23 cruciform !!up #ossasepia cruciform
17:23 deedbot Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=VpK4
17:23 trinque haha
17:23 cruciform the #
17:23 trinque hey, if we're at UX bugs, we're making progress
17:23 diana_coman ahaha
17:23 trinque lets make sure the confirm works
17:24 cruciform !!v E5EB00FBA8000C7D9E6CF7758777390D7EAFFA06BF4F038E91621BE7564033B6
17:24 deedbot You are now voiced in #ossasepia
17:24 diana_coman yay!
17:24 cruciform trinque, thanks
17:24 trinque hey np, glad it works.
17:31 trinque http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-27#1025350 << yeah, I ftr don't count ave1's work on the thing time wasted, but every time I went to build it I ran into some issue that was apparently only happening to me, w/e. when I went to try and fix the thing, I found it to be pointlessly complicated, not due to ave1, but the gregor guy that made it in the first place.
17:31 ossabot Logged on 2020-04-27 16:28:56 diana_coman: trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway?
17:31 trinque so I finally said to hell with it all, and started chopping pieces out of it until I understood how each component was actually getting its inputs, and what each component took as directive to statically link.
17:32 trinque (and of course they all wanted different things: here's how you say it to gcc, here's how you say it to binutils, piles of bullshit more there)
17:33 diana_coman myeah, I can imagine
17:34 diana_coman in other logger testing, apparently cruciform's inverted quotation marks are not logger-approved, lol; I'll have to check that out.
17:38 cruciform diana_coman, so, motivation stems from a comitment to one'
17:38 cruciform s own will? http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-27#1025427
17:38 ossabot Logged on 2020-04-27 18:43:07 diana_coman: "I will do x because I decided to do it!"
17:42 diana_coman cruciform: internal motivation stems from ...internal own life in a word, yes; absent/insufficient that internal own life, the only alternative is indeed outside motivation; funnily enough, it's there that you are going bdsm if you look for the way to be strongly motivated from the outside, lol.
17:44 trinque also inside, potentially!
17:44 cruciform lol
17:47 jfw re funny quote marks, they look like utf-8 to me, and the ossasepia.com page proclaims utf-8 too, so... I'd guess some part of the pipeline is reading as bytes/latin1 then writing back as unicode
17:48 diana_coman myeah, most likely some unicode mess somewhere; I'll have the pleasure to dig to find out where.
17:48 diana_coman anyways, it might need to wait a while in the long queue of stuff to do.
17:51 jfw I'll be back tomorrow & with an article too.
17:51 diana_coman jfw: sounds good
17:52 * diana_coman shall be back tomorrow.
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