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00:07 mats https://join.me/913-747-021
00:07 assbot join.me – Free Screen Sharing and Online Meetings ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0flB )
00:07 mats some guy pwning US edu sites.
00:11 mircea_popescu that ancient virus now has its own website ?
00:12 mats what are you referring to?
00:14 mircea_popescu mats http://4eyez95.deviantart.com/journal/THE-join-me-VIRUS-spreading-the-word-ALERT-360596181
00:14 assbot THE join.me VIRUS (spreading the word) ALERT!!!! by 4eyez95 on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0Rrc )
00:15 mircea_popescu (it's a joke)
00:15 mats heh
00:16 mircea_popescu probably the best infection report on the internets.
00:16 mats > Damn hackers! I want to hack them all (my stepdad once set a virus to this dork that was bragging bout his hacking skills, the virus causes your computer to wipe itself cleab each time it turns on or off! Dont worry, he only sent it to that one guy)
00:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00051072 = 13.0744 BTC [-]
00:21 mats boring stream
00:22 mircea_popescu !up coderwill
00:23 coderwill Hello
00:24 mircea_popescu hi
00:25 coderwill mircea_popescu: Is MPEX your exchange?
00:25 mircea_popescu yea
00:26 coderwill Cool, I remember a few weeks ago arriving on it a couple of months ago - I think Wences Cesares of Xapo mentioned it on Twitter.
00:27 coderwill I'm in the early phases of setting up an exchange here in Costa Rica.
00:27 mircea_popescu aha
00:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00049584 = 26.106 BTC [-] {3}
00:33 coderwill mircea_popescu: anything you wish you'd known when you first started putting together your exchange that you know now?
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00:49 coderwill thanks for the temp +v
00:58 mircea_popescu coderwill it's not entirely clear what you mean by "exchange", but in any case : what you're looking for has been covered extensively by mpoe-pr on the forum, back in the early days when the sort of nonsense was a lot more prevalent/
00:58 mircea_popescu you definitely should read her exhaustively before anything else
01:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 350 @ 0.1137346 = 39.8071 BTC [-] {6}
01:22 TheNewDeal !down TheNewDeal
01:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [+]
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02:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: or was that his 'zil' << zil was auctioned rather recently
02:12 BingoBoingo felipelalli: Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review? << It is far easier to clean up iffy English tham translate.
02:14 BingoBoingo felipelalli: but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need. << Prolly do it in the way that keeps your expenses on this down.
02:14 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli
02:17 mats http://www.wired.com/2015/01/why-i-hope-congress-never-watches-blackhat/
02:17 assbot Why I Hope Congress Never Watches Blackhat | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt3jUn )
02:18 felipelalli BingoBoingo: thank you, but I was already discouraged enough. I'll think of a way to contribute, I loved the style of qntra.net - and would like to see some original research on it. Do not know why it fascinates me, but the amount of misinformation in the world of bitcoin is incredible, it's hard to trust something without having checked ourselves.
02:18 BingoBoingo felipelalli: Well, you are welcome to submit articles for review.
02:19 felipelalli BingoBoingo: thank you.
02:19 mircea_popescu that's a good point.
02:20 mircea_popescu tons of varied nonsense floating about
02:20 BingoBoingo I simply lack the nuances of the language to do a great portugese translation. Research would be incredibly welcome though.
02:21 felipelalli BingoBoingo: nice to hear that, I'll put my brain to work.
02:21 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/advanced-fucking/
02:22 mircea_popescu mats dude, a piece about one kevin poulsen featuring a large picture of said kevin poulsen (who looks like a dork) discussing kevin poulsen and stuff to do with kevin poulsen.
02:22 mircea_popescu i can see why he wrote it. wtf is wired doing publishing it
02:22 mircea_popescu oh wait. free. right.
02:22 BingoBoingo Free is the only price they can afford.
02:23 BingoBoingo mats: I'll take a look.
02:23 BingoBoingo ;;later tell mike_c Thanks
02:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
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02:38 mats yeah its bad
02:39 mats like an aquarium
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03:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048875 = 4.4965 BTC [-]
03:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.11120001 = 1.7792 BTC [-]
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03:32 BingoBoingo Looks like qntra got scooped on this... apparently we don't have enough friends in the SEC https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/
03:32 assbot SEC Investigation of GAW Miners Underway ... ( http://bit.ly/1802dUk )
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04:25 fluffypony cazalla will like this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/19/new_carberp_trojan_hits_oz/
04:25 assbot AT LAST: Australia gets its very own malware • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1sVrvMI )
04:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00048815 = 2.099 BTC [-] {2}
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04:52 davout http://fr.scribd.com/doc/253100323/154-1United-States-v-Ross-William-Ulbricht-14-Cr-68
04:52 assbot 154 1United States v Ross William Ulbricht 14 Cr 68 ... ( http://bit.ly/1sVtfFP )
04:53 davout pretty fucking lulzy
04:53 davout The Kalyhost customer
04:53 davout associated with the “silkroadmarket.org” website
04:53 davout , the investigation ultimately revealed, was the
04:53 davout defendant
04:53 davout . As reflected in t
04:53 davout he “who.is” information for the “silkroadmarket.org”
04:53 davout website, the name of the website was registered by someone using the
04:53 davout name “Richard Page.”
04:53 davout (
04:53 davout See
04:53 davout Ex. C). Based on an examination of the defendant’s
04:53 davout laptop subsequent to his arrest, that name is known to be an alias used by the defendant. Specifically, a
04:53 davout file recovered from the defendant’s computer, within a folder marked “aliaces” [sic]
04:53 davout , reflects the name
04:53 davout “Richard Page,”
04:53 davout along with a false address included in the contact information used to
04:54 davout register the “silkroadmarket.org” domain name. »
04:54 davout awshit
04:54 davout a pro copypastar is not me
04:55 davout "Thus, SA Der-Yeghiayan had noted that a website registered to Mr. Karpeles had a “wiki” page on it (i.e., an FAQ page) that was created using the same version of “wiki” software – “Mediawiki” – used to create the “wiki” page on the Silk Road website."
04:56 davout "Similarly, SA Der-Yeghiayan also noticed that a discussion forum known as “bitcointalk.org” – which SA Der-Yeghiayan believed, based on information from a “confidential informant,” was operated by Mr. Karpeles" <<< whose name starts with 'they' and ends with 'mos'
05:04 fluffypony Mark "theymos" Karpeles
05:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0005081 = 2.8708 BTC [+]
05:19 BingoBoingo Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams?
05:20 fluffypony and he's actually behind PirateAt40
05:21 punkman and he's just wearing a fat suit
05:21 fluffypony yeah, bro is cut
05:21 BingoBoingo fluffypony: He was the "secret" whatever the fucks Trendon traded with on Torchat.
05:21 fluffypony abs for days
05:22 fluffypony BingoBoingo: bullseye
05:22 BingoBoingo OMG Karpeles was the government plant all along
05:22 fluffypony lol
05:24 punkman http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/01/16/bitcoin-payment-processor-egopay-ceases-trading-founders-may-have-stolen-millions/
05:24 assbot Bitcoin payment processor EgoPay ceases trading, founders may have stolen millions | SiliconANGLE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnYL5f )
05:28 punkman "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE,it manipulated by Scammer,name is TADAS KASPUTIS,he also the owner of EGOPAY,
05:28 punkman TADAS KASPUTIS"
05:28 fluffypony well I guess his reputation is also KASPUTIS.
05:29 punkman http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/fb6778fbec468d8338d9dab224a9c101.jpg
05:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnZRhy )
05:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0005081 = 8.2312 BTC [+]
05:40 fluffypony http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t1ca9/coinbase_raises_75_mil_in_the_single_largest_vc/
05:40 assbot Coinbase raises 75 mil $ in the single largest VC round for a bitcoin startup : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2nNoE )
05:48 fluffypony !up Elio19
05:49 Elio19 Thanks fluffypony
05:49 fluffypony np
05:49 Elio19 I thought that if i authed with gribble and sent "!up" to the bot that i would get voice
05:50 Elio19 but it does not work like that
05:51 fluffypony no, you have to have a trust relationship with assbot
05:51 BingoBoingo Elio19: You msg assbot !up now, and it gives you a blob to decrypt now
05:51 fluffypony ;;gettrust assbot Elio19
05:51 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Elio19!~elio19@gateway/tor-sasl/elio19. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Elio19: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Elio19 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Elio19 | Rated since: Thu Mar 8 00:37:21 2012
05:51 fluffypony oh yes I forgot that changed
05:51 BingoBoingo Then you reply to assbot with !v thePassword
05:51 fluffypony the new-new rating system
05:53 Elio19 Well i guess thats "almost cool"
05:53 Elio19 but unnecessarily complicate
05:53 BingoBoingo Elio19: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
05:53 assbot irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF )
05:53 BingoBoingo ^ updated
05:56 midnightmagic punkman: hey man, ease up on the links in here k
06:04 midnightmagic eeek
06:04 midnightmagic !down
06:04 midnightmagic !down midnightmagic
06:06 Elio19 !up midnightmagic
06:16 davout fluffypony: "well I guess his reputation is also KASPUTIS." <<< kek
06:16 davout oh, assbot kicks now, that's neat
06:27 BingoBoingo davout: Assbot always kicked people who !down themselves
06:28 davout learn something new everyday
06:28 davout is there a particular reason?
06:29 BingoBoingo I dun know/remember. Just something It's done
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07:06 BingoBoingo !up xanthyos
07:13 Dizzle !up nubbins`
07:13 nubbins` tyvm
07:13 nubbins` http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7CnYLnSx
07:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Byddop )
07:14 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.0
07:14 assbot Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1BydgAv )
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07:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049936 = 5.0435 BTC [-]
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08:23 mircea_popescu ahh lovely assbot voice
08:28 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 242 @ 0.00550217 = 1.3315 BTC [+] {3}
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08:59 nubbins` what a fuckin process
08:59 danielpbarron "I think its perfectly usable for people who are comfortable with bitcoin, but aren't developers or are tech-savvy. You could crowdfund, you know, me and my friends go to a concert and we've got to 'group buy' concert tickets, or group buy a laser tag day or something." Hearn on his decentralized kickstarter turd
09:00 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10216893#msg10216893
09:00 assbot Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/15sbWS2 )
09:00 nubbins` "If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge more nicely."
09:00 nubbins` my sides!!
09:00 mircea_popescu bah, so im writing an article. put down the first paragraph, 800 words worth of notes.
09:01 mircea_popescu writing is this exercise in fucking impossibility.
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09:37 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/preview-of-obamas-internet-law-enforcement-proposals/
09:43 BingoBoingo http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore
09:43 assbot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore ... ( http://bit.ly/1wnQT9b )
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09:59 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/nyse-minority-contributor-in-coinbases-latest-fundraiser/
09:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.11117555 = 2.7794 BTC [-] {6}
10:03 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
10:03 gribble Current Blocks: 339780 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 923 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42294419240.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.81437
10:06 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/Badbitcoinorg/status/557481790756360192
10:06 assbot OK /CoinFireBlog I've made sure that GAW article is saved on wayback machine, and I've kept a copy as well. Complete BS.
10:20 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
10:31 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/01/whiplash.html << mega-lol
10:31 assbot ClubOrlov: Whiplash! ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeA3QO )
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10:54 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli
10:54 BingoBoingo !rate felipelalli 1 +v easy come, easy...
10:54 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/135fbc2bd8731912
10:55 BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.felipelalli.1:482fa9fe4369a62b557ecf1a16dc802002691c8a51e913ebe7fd4bf94fdaeb64
10:55 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: +v easy come, easy...
10:55 thestringpuller soul music. RIP detroit the motor city
11:00 danielpbarron idk if it matters since it doesn't sound like there is a need to translate from portugese to english, but i know a guy fluent in both languages
11:02 xanthyos ooh i figured it out
11:02 xanthyos oh just !v not !verify
11:03 xanthyos 6 times more efficient to type
11:03 thestringpuller ;;ident
11:03 gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
11:03 thestringpuller ;;rate danielpbarron 2 crypto-priest
11:03 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
11:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lulzy twitter drama
11:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform << btw saw the saudi prince interview where he admits they're best buds with putin now ?
11:05 BingoBoingo Really is, nobody "scam hunters" getting pissed that the scammer they like is getting shat on.
11:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol! nope
11:06 mircea_popescu http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/bartiromo/2015/01/11/bartiromo-saudi-prince-alwaleed-oil-100-barrel/21484911/
11:06 assbot Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzgX94 )
11:06 mircea_popescu usa today no less.
11:06 * asciilifeform skeptical
11:07 mircea_popescu he's a bit of a jirinovski
11:09 mircea_popescu "And without a functioning industrial economy crude oil would be reclassified as toxic waste. But that is still two or three decades off in the future."
11:09 mircea_popescu lol. mmmkay.
11:13 BingoBoingo "Backyard refinery"
11:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema."
11:16 mircea_popescu i suppose that's the definition of bias. "agreeing with others in the parts where they agree with you."
11:16 mircea_popescu but in any case, i'd love to see the math by which russia produces oil at a profit when it's $25 a barrel.
11:20 mircea_popescu strangely, he also seems unaware of teh obama charlie hebdo blunder. i dunno when the us was as politically isolated in its past 1848 history as the time when everyone was in paris except obama. putin was there for chrissakes.
11:20 mircea_popescu i guess hauling all those submarines in helicopters in boats in trains arrangement for securitah has its disadvantages. can't move fast enough
11:27 jurov heh. yes when it was at shore like in normandy, moving subs by was easier
11:28 mircea_popescu heh
11:39 nubbins` thestringpuller pm me details about this work of yours
11:39 nubbins` better not be as drawn-out as last time
11:39 mircea_popescu lol that blinky map dohickey (revolvermaps.com) reports "119 Recent Pageviews". over about 10 minutes ? so like
11:39 nubbins` actually, scratch that. pm me details about this work of yours when you've got money in-hand and a design ready to go. there's really no need to update me before that point :P
11:39 mircea_popescu ;;calc 119 * 6 * 24
11:39 gribble 17136
11:40 mircea_popescu soon to be overtaken by qntra o.O
11:40 mircea_popescu i guess it's time for cazalla to get a ten page wikipedia article in all teh languages.
11:46 ben_vulpes buenos dias, wreckers
11:46 BingoBoingo !b 7
11:46 assbot Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RQCCZA.txt )
11:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00049639 = 35.4919 BTC [-]
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12:18 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli
12:20 BingoBoingo Next they come for the Roth IRAs http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/19/lets-pay-for-free-community-college-by-t
12:20 assbot Let's Pay for 'Free' Community College by Taxing College Savings! - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EmnsKM )
12:24 kakobrekla http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/intercontinental_exchange_group/usn/usnews-story.aspx?cid=953&newsid=28438
12:24 assbot NYSE Completes Minority Investment in Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/1C3RWlq )
12:29 mats a lol
12:30 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli
12:31 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/prosecutors-seek-to-bar-dpr-interview-from-jury/
12:31 mats "Australia has flown 144 sorties on Islamic State extremists, but it's believed IS had already struck first, launching a cyber-missile on Australian computer systems."
12:32 mats > a cyber-missile
12:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00051182 = 9.0592 BTC [+] {3}
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13:01 mircea_popescu vrediteli!
13:02 mircea_popescu kakobrekla curious what comes of this.
13:03 mircea_popescu mats calling it "a cyber missile" is a good joke. calling some beheadings "a new hairstyle" is a bad joke. gotta keep track!
13:06 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pretty soon the jury will have to deliberate on the exclusive basis of one sheet of paper on which the words "The People consider the defendant guilty" are written
13:06 mircea_popescu in 16 point comic ms font
13:06 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's seriously looks like where the system is headed.
13:06 mircea_popescu ima put it in comments brb
13:15 Adlai lol this reminds me of the whole shitshow in the idf where "real warriors" got all tussled about the cyber command calling its hackers "cyber warriors"
13:16 Adlai some highup officer says that a single cyber warrior can be more valuable to the country than hundreds [of thousands] of regular warriors
13:16 Adlai and then recants this statement once all the other highups flip a shit
13:17 mircea_popescu that's a dangerous path to take. because "screw you bitch, i can sit in a chair and fly a desk too."
13:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00051413 = 15.6296 BTC [+]
13:17 Adlai it was hilarious at the time, being a "real warrior" myself, but siding with the "cyber warrior" camp :D
13:17 mircea_popescu the argument is about as retarded as saying that "one real warrior can be more valuable than" bla bla. sure, the guy who puts up the flag can be misrepresented so and so.
13:18 mircea_popescu but otherwise, it's about two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters than it is to find passible language-of-the-week coders.
13:21 Adlai nobody was suggesting calling coders "cyber warriors", this was about hackers crackers and stuxers
13:21 mircea_popescu yaya.
13:21 mircea_popescu im sure.
13:22 mircea_popescu just like nobody is calling retarded journalist cunts "core developers" on the basis of their merging gender changes to pronouns in documentation on github.
13:22 mircea_popescu to the grief of women actually involved with computers. whoi aren't a market for the niggers, because they're smart and few, which makes it too expensive.
13:22 * Adlai encountered a new one yesterday, "zir"
13:23 Adlai sounds like a malamanteau of "her" and "sir"
13:23 Adlai !ud malamanteau
13:23 Adlai assbot: pls
13:24 mircea_popescu țîr m. (ngr. tziros) : a small fish.
13:26 * xanthyos
13:26 * Adlai
13:29 mircea_popescu "The slightly good news is that PID 1 segfaulting does not reboot the machine on the spot. "
13:29 mircea_popescu "Attempts to log in or to su to root from an existing login either fail or hang."
13:29 mircea_popescu " dude it's so great to be back on windows, seriously" << fifty million "experts" running systemd
13:30 mircea_popescu The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message.
13:30 mircea_popescu "The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message."
13:30 mircea_popescu "accidentally", all this, no doubt.
13:31 mircea_popescu (Oh, and journalctl goes out of its way to set up this behavior. Not by passing command line arguments to less, because that would be too obvious (you might spot it in a ps listing, for example); instead it mangles $LESS to effectively add the '-S' option, among other things.)
13:33 asciilifeform two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters << since when is cannon fodder in short supply?
13:34 mircea_popescu note i was not talking about web experts.
13:36 thestringpuller random: is there a reason "crowd source" projects usually are of mediocre quality?
13:36 thestringpuller seems "flashy" and stuffs and not enough..."factor x"
13:37 mircea_popescu all crowd source projects constructed around an asshole succeed. like linux. and like systemd.
13:40 BingoBoingo Updated: http://qntra.net/2015/01/prosecutors-seek-to-bar-dpr-interview-from-jury/
13:40 assbot Prosecutors Seek to Bar DPR Interview From Jury – Updated | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS5M3Y )
13:41 mircea_popescu lol epic railroading.
13:42 jurov i know several people who ended up running webserver on windows because "under linux we could never get everything working right, admin always fixing something"
13:42 mircea_popescu kakobrekla of course my only takeaway is that the price is doing pretty well at strangling coinbase. lucky them that they managed a refinance. curious if bitpay announces anything soon.
13:43 BingoBoingo Well Coinbase got financing. BitPay because of the publicity stunt gets belt tightening.
13:44 kakobrekla actually that bp thing smells like koruption to me
13:44 mircea_popescu ?
13:45 kakobrekla the bowl sponsorship or whatever the fuck
13:46 mircea_popescu how'd that go ?
13:46 BingoBoingo Oh few things are as corrupt as College Football. It is gloriously corrupt.
13:49 mircea_popescu "medium awareness" << triple pun of win!
13:49 BingoBoingo I mean with the plantation slaves... I mean University Student Athletes... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932265/
13:49 assbot "South Park" Crack Baby Athletic Association (TV Episode 2011) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS8vdC )
13:50 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this. << of course there's also the possibility they made it up. not the 1st time.
13:50 mircea_popescu ps : "DDoS protection by CloudFlare" does not actually work.
13:52 Adlai more like "DoS centralization courtesy of CloudFlare"
13:52 BingoBoingo Well of course. They probably don't have a giant folder with the whole SEC file. I wouldn't put it past them to have a friend who happens to be a government secretary somewhere.
13:52 Adlai "Why so serious? Let us put a smile on that face of yours, and turn a 404 into a 503 today!"
13:53 Adlai only9.99,termsandconditionsmayapply
13:53 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams? <<< the explanation is quite pedestrian. there's a bunch of fuctards who imagine they're "the coimmunity" notwithstanding they have no money and no political importance. because hey, they FEEL like they should matter. these derps ineffectually tried to prop up mtgox. they failed, but they don't wish to confront the why there, so instead the
13:53 mircea_popescu y prefer blaming fatso.
13:53 mircea_popescu who is generally stupid and lazy, and i doubt teh story will stick, but hey. angry narcissists.
13:54 mircea_popescu Adlai thing is , page simply does not resolve unless you run bad software.
13:54 mircea_popescu that's plenty of modern browsers, of course, but hey.
13:54 BingoBoingo Well somewhere I think someone brought up a govt agent suspecting Fatty was also Thermos
13:55 mircea_popescu and obama.
13:55 BingoBoingo Sure.
13:55 BingoBoingo Karpeles is probably secretly Lizard Hitler too.
13:55 mircea_popescu punkman: "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE" << lolz. rly ?!
13:56 mircea_popescu what's next, bifinex is a lulzy scamfest and btcjam loses 30% of your moneyz every coupla quarters ?
13:56 mircea_popescu soon enough 2012 will be like, rediscovered.
13:58 BingoBoingo Oh, you mean Bitfinex like https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t2oss/bitfinex_exchange_owner_admits_to_using_inside/
13:58 assbot Bitfinex exchange owner admits to using inside information to trade on own platform : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSaVsH )
13:59 mircea_popescu lol
14:00 Adlai good thing bitfinex doesn't trade stocks and there's no such thing as insider forex trading
14:00 Adlai (fsvo "good")
14:02 mircea_popescu bitcoin is elastic, it can be anything you want it to be. "commodity"
14:02 kakobrekla more like cumodity
14:03 mircea_popescu !up nubbins`
14:03 mircea_popescu hey ever managed to reg ?
14:03 BingoBoingo http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/19/police-radar-see-through-walls/22007615/
14:03 assbot New police radars can 'see' inside homes ... ( http://bit.ly/1xScwij )
14:03 mircea_popescu ah ok
14:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "walls". ie, vinyl siding.
14:04 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course. It's just amazing how shitware isn't limited to the stuff that Stan blawgs about.
14:04 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
14:05 mircea_popescu Yes, a MASTER CARVER who normally earns $450 (or is it $800 (or is it $3,000)) per hour is willing to make Butterfly Labs dildos for $18/hr.
14:05 mircea_popescu i lulzd.
14:06 mircea_popescu the last master carver to have made 3k an hour was known by his moustache.
14:07 mircea_popescu nubbins` i dun think anyone who a) isn't mentally retarded and b) looked at any item more than cursorily failed to realise it's a computer etch.
14:07 mircea_popescu i know i sort-of considered having something done when he was first brought up but dropped after actually looking at w/e it was at the tgime.
14:08 mircea_popescu !up STRML
14:08 STRML Thanks mircea_popescu
14:09 mircea_popescu you register your key with assbot, aquire some trust and then can self-voice.
14:09 nubbins` mp XD
14:09 STRML Great, I'll check the docs
14:09 mircea_popescu !up diana_coman
14:10 nubbins` i'm in read-only mode in that thread from now on, it's too rich
14:10 mircea_popescu STRML assbot documented pretty well on wiki.
14:10 nubbins` like eating an entire cheesecake
14:10 mircea_popescu nubbins` tbh i think it's forcing a point. anyone buying whatever on puffery is stuck.
14:10 mircea_popescu it's not fraud to say you're "a master artisan". it'd have been a fraud had it been a regulated profession.
14:10 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: curious if bitpay announces anything soon.
14:10 thestringpuller ^- sooner than you think
14:10 mircea_popescu aha.
14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00049359 = 12.3398 BTC [-] {3}
14:11 nubbins` fair enough
14:11 nubbins` i got drawn in by his insistence on obfuscating the fact
14:11 mircea_popescu and tbh, tiny chisels do exist.
14:11 nubbins` i know!
14:11 mircea_popescu mostly carbide tipped
14:11 nubbins` too bad he shows me the 3/4" ones instead
14:11 mircea_popescu expensive as all shit, the 1/26 1/32 stuff
14:12 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10219854#msg10219854
14:12 assbot Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGACU7 )
14:12 nubbins` ^ final send-off
14:12 nubbins` odd imperial sizes are a terrible thing
14:12 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: rumor is they've been seeking more funding. dunno if they'll announce another round soon or not.
14:12 nubbins` you know how much a 9/16" drill bit costs?
14:12 Adlai STRML: you from bitmex?
14:12 mircea_popescu thestringpuller not much need for that to be a rumour. obviousness is obvious, i dun think anyone doesn't know they are.
14:12 mircea_popescu nubbins` not by heart, but yes, you can probably buy a girl in the shadier part of town for less.
14:13 nubbins` i :0'd last time i had to buy one
14:14 nubbins` anyway, poor kid will learn his craft over time. i guess
14:14 STRML Adlai: Yep :)
14:14 kakobrekla !s bitmex
14:14 assbot 0 results for 'bitmex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitmex
14:14 mircea_popescu nah, this isn't really how you learn that.
14:14 mircea_popescu it'slikesaying kid driving will evetually learn to marathon
14:15 STRML kakobrekla: https://www.bitmex.com
14:15 assbot BitMEX - Bitcoin Mercantile Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSg3No )
14:15 nubbins` heh
14:15 mircea_popescu o.O
14:15 nubbins` i meant the craft of lasering things, perhaps in a booth at the mall
14:16 mircea_popescu that's basically how you make keys right ?
14:16 STRML We are a derivatives exchange for investors and speculators who are serious about the products they trade. I could give you the whole pitch but I don't want to spam the channel :)
14:16 mircea_popescu STRML so who is the serious traders that built it ?
14:16 nubbins` more or less
14:16 nubbins` http://imgur.com/TjoVNzd
14:16 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgp6V )
14:16 nubbins` that type shit
14:16 nubbins` engraving/keycutting/lasering is a popular combo
14:17 STRML mircea_popescu: Our cofounders and board members have 40+ years combined in banking
14:17 nubbins` altho tbf keys are mostly still ground
14:17 mircea_popescu names if you will.
14:17 kakobrekla 100 1yearold have 100 years experience
14:18 STRML Arthur Hayes - Deutsche Bank, and Joseph Jeong, DB, Credit Suisse, et al
14:18 STRML https://www.bitmex.com/app/aboutUs
14:18 assbot About Us - BitMEX ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgJTd )
14:18 mircea_popescu "BitMEX is the first centrally cleared derivatives exchange. " << the first it certainly isn't.
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14:18 mircea_popescu ah, i clicked the about but nothing happened. js issue i guess.
14:19 thestringpuller Everyone thinks bitcoin is ready for options again cause they know how to write JS
14:19 STRML We don't think it's ready for options at all, actually
14:19 thestringpuller "This platform is bugged" "But it looks pretty!"
14:19 mircea_popescu "Arthur Hayes obtained his BA in Economics at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania in 2008. "
14:20 mircea_popescu this is the antithesis of "experienced" you know.
14:20 STRML I understand, the majority of our experience is in our engine author who wishes to remain unnamed
14:21 thestringpuller makes it easier to take the money and run
14:21 STRML For him, perhaps, not for us
14:21 STRML We are very public about who we are
14:21 Adlai well you could just get the engine sauce audited, then revoke anonybob's access
14:21 STRML To be clear, that was a joke; we use multisig internally, it is not possible for our unnamed cofounder to cut and run
14:21 STRML The only reason he is as of yet unnamed is because he is still employed
14:22 Adlai ah yes, the fabled noncompete
14:22 BingoBoingo !b 2
14:22 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VTSEYM.txt )
14:22 * Adlai has yet to hear of successful noncompete litigation
14:23 mircea_popescu so Jeong threw some money , which is what he does, a sicrit expert wrote "the engine" and an eager black guy class of 2008 wants to play the danny brewster.
14:23 STRML Is this channel usually so hostile?
14:23 Adlai yes :)
14:23 mircea_popescu depends to what.
14:23 STRML We are nothing but open about what we do and how we do it, with the exception of that cofounder's name
14:23 mircea_popescu right.
14:23 STRML I believe we're a breath of fresh air in the derivatives space, which is dominated by players who barely understand derivatives to begin with
14:24 mircea_popescu by the way, anyone remember reddit ? http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/ << top kek.
14:24 assbot Neo & Bee: the first genuine alternative to traditional banking ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGDKPW )
14:24 mircea_popescu STRML do you understand the space between a claim and a fact ? anyone can say that. in fact, people tend to. this doesn't correlate with anything substantial.
14:24 STRML And we're the only derivs exchange that doesn't do socialized losses. It takes a far different approach to guarantee something like that
14:24 STRML Of course your word means little in the Bitcoin space
14:25 STRML It's a matter of building a reputation and maintaining it. Only way to do that is to consistently be trustworthy over a significant period of time.
14:26 mircea_popescu STRML no, not my word. my word means plenty. your word means little, but for very good reason : 1) you're not in the wot and b) you've not do your reading.
14:26 mircea_popescu done*
14:26 STRML Just because I haven't spent much time on this particular IRC channel doesn't mean that I, and by extension my company, is untrustworthy
14:26 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli
14:26 STRML But I am happy to enter the WoT
14:27 danielpbarron "Blazedout commissioned a $14,000 art piece. I shipped it first and he followed through with payment as promised." << LOL, Blazedout419 was the sucker?
14:27 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Isn't he often that?
14:27 danielpbarron :D
14:27 kakobrekla thats all he is really.
14:27 nubbins` heh
14:27 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931109
14:27 assbot Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSjMuq )
14:27 nubbins` :o
14:28 danielpbarron i didn't realize he had such a reputation in here! I mostly know about him from when i used to idle in -otc
14:28 kakobrekla no, he is the perfect scam magnet
14:28 kakobrekla one of the rare ones still working.
14:28 mircea_popescu no, that it doesn't. my suspicion is, as far as i'm personally concerned, grounded mostly in the fact that you had no idea that, for instance, mpoe covered ~30k btc worth of derivative losses without "sociualising". this in 2013.
14:28 mircea_popescu see http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ etc.
14:28 assbot MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSk58H )
14:29 mircea_popescu nubbins` what's the video proof ?
14:29 asciilifeform btw, re: photos: typical laser cut. some even show signs of raster scan.
14:29 nubbins` he's, uh, coming up with it in the next few days.
14:29 mircea_popescu danielpbarron yeah im with kako, they seem to stick to him somehow.
14:29 nubbins` the thread's there so he doesn't need to waste time making it later.
14:30 mircea_popescu oh i see. it'd better be some sort of "leave britny alone!!!1" thing.
14:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have nfi what posseses someone to take a perfectly valid product and pretend it's something else.
14:32 asciilifeform would someone like to explain why the wood art fellow insists he does not use a laser? (he has photos of lathe, chisel, etc. but those are clearly necessary to forming the basic contours prior to lasering. so no surprise. but why does he deny the use of the laser?)
14:32 kakobrekla cause the lasers dont come out of his eyes
14:32 thestringpuller STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile? << You're asking to put your arm into the woodchipper and we're telling you its not going to be fun if you do.
14:32 mircea_popescu "How many times you look at it. It was clearly carve by a 40 to 60 watts co2 laser. " << i'm with him. looks just about right.
14:33 STRML thestringpuller: Hah you're not wrong at all
14:33 mircea_popescu nubbins` (btw, asciilifeforms been doing a ton of plastic and other matter cutting with an actual laser for cardano project, so... expert testimony)
14:34 asciilifeform a little bit of laser, yes. anyone who has so much as tried a laser cutter will recognize the result in the photo.
14:34 mircea_popescu https://i.imgur.com/K0g0N4kl.jpg ahahaha wut. THAT is the proof ?
14:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSlPyx )
14:34 mircea_popescu dude i have one of those. I used it recently to fix a door
14:35 mircea_popescu make way for master craftisan / doorartist me.
14:35 asciilifeform imho that thread was merely an elaborate troll.
14:35 mircea_popescu you're too suspicious asciilifeform. most people are actually dumb.
14:36 mircea_popescu incidentally, since doormouse exists, maybe it's time to have doorartist too ? someone using half pound chisels as proof of artisanry?
14:36 BingoBoingo Linux needs to dump Linus girl's story http://pastebin.com/3jAQARCy
14:36 assbot My Statement - Shanley - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSmr7k )
14:37 thestringpuller BingoBoingo always /w da dramatic scoop
14:37 mircea_popescu "Last Thursday, I criticized the Linux community for continuing to support and center a leader with a years-long, documented history of unrepentant abusive behavior, someone who has actively and systematically nurtured a hostile, homogeneous technical community, and someone who has long actively chased people from marginalized groups out of open source."
14:37 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Seems to be an especially strong week for drama. I anticipate Moon.
14:38 mircea_popescu this is what linus is. no name, no nothing, anon idiot gets to use his own qualifiers.
14:38 mircea_popescu "The retaliation has been terrifying." << no, it hasn't.
14:38 mircea_popescu not nearly terrifying enough.
14:39 STRML mircea_popescu: Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do, I didn't realize you were behind MPEx
14:39 STRML My partners are much more tuned into finance and the Bitcoin scene than I am, I handle the web aspects of the service
14:39 mircea_popescu but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer.
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14:39 BingoBoingo STRML: Who do you think put the MP in MPEx
14:39 BingoBoingo !up STRML
14:40 mircea_popescu which is why i said "depends to what". if you come in and say "hi guise, remember that problem with the derivatives ? check out this solution i figured out!!!"
14:40 mircea_popescu if the solution is actually good that gets you a spot.
14:40 asciilifeform -dormouse-. hibernates, edible.
14:40 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no price signal << MP ain't opening the studio up until this is fixed
14:40 mircea_popescu but the usual "hey i made a company which is a website which makes claims which are either trivially falsified or not provable because reasons", well...
14:40 mircea_popescu we get a lot of those.
14:40 BingoBoingo !up diana_coman
14:40 asciilifeform glis glis
14:40 STRML I completely understand what you're getting at
14:40 STRML And it's of course natural not to trust newcomers
14:41 mircea_popescu except we trust newcomers all the time.
14:41 STRML Not much I can do about that. I can get our CEO on here at some point in the near future
14:41 thestringpuller lol
14:41 thestringpuller kid not listening
14:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#982621 << most recently... coupla days ago.
14:41 assbot Logged on 18-01-2015 21:55:19; mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
14:41 mircea_popescu and there's plenty you can do about that. start with you know, the variety speak.
14:42 undata ahoy! I'll probably have a prototype working on testnet this evening or the next
14:42 mircea_popescu "^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round." lmao that thread's so adorable.
14:42 kakobrekla <asciilifeform> -dormouse-. hibernates, edible. < not a big fan but their fat is traditionally used for a buncha medical stuff
14:42 mircea_popescu undata pretty cool
14:42 mircea_popescu kakobrekla buttplugs ?!
14:42 kakobrekla hm?
14:43 mircea_popescu buttplug lube! doormouse blubber!
14:43 kakobrekla the fat? for skin issues and such
14:43 mircea_popescu aha
14:43 kakobrekla joints too i hear.
14:43 asciilifeform iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up
14:44 kakobrekla my grandfather still hunts em in the wild.
14:44 mircea_popescu "You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions." << you're screwed nubbins`. you know how many times ima link to this ? do you ? DO YOU ? :D
14:44 nubbins` haha
14:44 mircea_popescu kakobrekla aren't they trapped ? actually hunted instead ?!
14:44 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up << Basically equivalent to American fascination with chicken wings. Eat all of them before going to the Vomitorium.
14:44 nubbins` artisan dope smoker
14:45 nubbins` i don't think he realizes you can silkscreen on things other than t-shirts
14:45 kakobrekla yes, should be more specific, they are trapped
14:45 kakobrekla we still call it 'hunt' though.
14:45 mircea_popescu fu nubbins` that's a real profession. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/istanbul-141.jpg
14:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSp49t )
14:46 nubbins` !
14:46 mircea_popescu kakobrekla for a moment there i had a vision of a tiny dog pack coursing for mice over a tiny field.
14:46 kakobrekla and hand grenades.
14:46 mircea_popescu well, smaller ones. thumb grenades.
14:46 kakobrekla :)
14:46 mircea_popescu cherry bombs lol
14:46 * BingoBoingo still wants a table salt shotgun for hunting spiders.
14:46 asciilifeform when i lived in a flat with mice, rats, i dreamed of tiny shotguns
14:47 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868954.msg10220254#msg10220254
14:47 assbot Wood Collectors Bitcoin Art ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSpuMM )
14:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform tiny arbalest is feasible...
14:47 nubbins` the guy with the 5 day old account says he's legit
14:47 kakobrekla asciilifeform you mean in merrica?
14:47 nubbins` you can tell it's legit because it's almost the same username as the guy who originally commissioned the piece, then vanished without a trace
14:48 mircea_popescu "AND EVEN, if this pieces were carved by a laser... I would still love them and they would still be unique." win.
14:48 mircea_popescu let's not dispute the actual facts in contention but instead spew a ton of emotional bs. that's the way!
14:49 mats BingoBoingo: holy shit, that pastebin is terrible
14:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, in america, the flat i moved out of last may
14:49 kakobrekla well its 17.950 for the wood, 49 shipping and 1 dorra lazering
14:50 nubbins` i think this is my first hate thread
14:50 mircea_popescu kakobrekla the DESIGN is unique. except for the part where this old woman whose daughter i used to fuck on occasion had a plastic tablecloth in the same color and pattern.
14:52 nubbins` i'd bet it's free vector clipart
14:52 nubbins` obv no way to prove
14:52 mircea_popescu nubbins` it's your own fault tho, you worded it too strong.
14:52 mircea_popescu it
14:52 mircea_popescu a lack of taste is not really a scam
14:53 nubbins` more a misrepresentation than anything
14:53 nubbins` what can i say, grumpy morning 8)
14:53 mircea_popescu but hey, it did get the lulz flowing.
14:53 * nubbins` nods sagely
14:53 mircea_popescu " I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before."
14:53 nubbins` he puffs himself up so much, hey?
14:55 mircea_popescu vanity, my favourite sin.
14:55 fluffypony https://hashtalk.org/topic/29764/false-light-tortious-interference
14:55 assbot Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/181ntcr )
14:56 fluffypony "GAW should be evaluating this SEC investigation troll to see if the conditions are right for a libel suit against the people behind it. A retainer on a case like this would be in the vicinity of $50k - $100k and costs could run to $250k - $500k by the time its done. If such a case is to proceed it will take a minimum of two years, but an injunction against any further disparagement should be sought at once."
14:56 fluffypony lol
14:56 mircea_popescu totally.
14:57 BingoBoingo More Gavin drippings http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html
14:57 assbot GavinTech: Twenty Megabytes testing results ... ( http://bit.ly/181nDAF )
14:57 mod6 oh here we go
15:02 mircea_popescu https://www.sansleaf.com/ << 503 ?
15:03 assbot Error 503: Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1xStXiC )
15:03 nubbins` here's an actual master carver
15:03 nubbins` http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Grabovetskiy3.jpg
15:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSu8dN )
15:03 nubbins` essentially a BFL dildo.
15:04 mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah, hand carving mostly consists of doing "the edges" specifically because laser chased them off the flat surface.
15:05 nubbins` yep
15:05 mircea_popescu anwyay, that thread is exactly what one'd expect : everyone with even half a clue, all the way to smoothie saw the same thing i saw. we're not like experts or anything.
15:05 nubbins` content to just let it fester now, with the occasional jab to keep the bees from settling too much
15:06 mircea_popescu "This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started." sounds like the social media artisan :D
15:06 nubbins` :D
15:06 thestringpuller LOL Gavin
15:06 thestringpuller HOLY FUCK
15:06 nubbins` the bulk of my clients
15:06 thestringpuller This graph
15:07 nubbins` do your clients need supportive undergarments?
15:07 thestringpuller https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CuOEM9uwO5w-RwWGCCZpVGVFwhHHHegxJZqTP5KyapI/edit#gid=0 << mircea_popescu was right about him making block size infinite
15:07 mircea_popescu i was right ?!
15:07 mircea_popescu that like never happens.
15:07 thestringpuller Didn't he say to you, "No one is saying make the block size infinite"
15:08 thestringpuller on contravex or something?
15:08 mircea_popescu o wait, usgavin lied ?!
15:08 thestringpuller and this graph is straight up exponent!!!
15:08 mircea_popescu that like... never happens!
15:08 thestringpuller I KNO RTIE
15:08 thestringpuller USGavin is trustworthy and honest, and the hero bitcoin deserves and needs!!!!!111
15:09 thestringpuller who cares if he killed two kids
15:10 mircea_popescu whoa, dude actually butchered a chunk of berchemia to make his shotgun-cut atrocity ?!
15:10 Apocalyptic heh I see Gavin delivered, as expected
15:12 hanbot haha nubbins`, enjoyed reading you on the warpath
15:12 mircea_popescu o look at that, from the actual expert in the field herself :)
15:12 nubbins` aw, tyvm
15:12 mircea_popescu nubbins` prepare to be famous. i hear you're really a woman ?
15:12 mircea_popescu scientology much ?
15:13 nubbins` hanbot, i indulge too infrequently ;(
15:13 nubbins` mp does this mean pasc is a lesbo?
15:14 hanbot no, it means she's one of your multiple personalities. and a lesbo.
15:14 mircea_popescu it's worse than that. it means... uh... hm.
15:14 mircea_popescu well, worse anyway.
15:15 nubbins` oo
15:15 nubbins` thrilling
15:17 ben_vulpes so my bank shipped a new feature
15:17 ben_vulpes "log into your mobile app with your face"
15:17 nubbins` i was gonna try selling some of our bird books on the forum, but i guess i'll probably let things cool off for a bit
15:17 mircea_popescu nubbins` maybe help the idiot kids make a proper gpg contract? that shit's a sore eye by now
15:17 ben_vulpes i recorded a video of my face on biz_partners phone, and played it for the facial recognition shit
15:17 ben_vulpes and it logged me in
15:17 nubbins` ben_vulpes heh
15:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes this is insanity ?!
15:17 nubbins` sikyoorady
15:17 ben_vulpes bank claims that this feature is being crammed down their throats by apple for apple pay
15:17 mircea_popescu but.it.is.insanity
15:18 ben_vulpes naw man
15:18 ben_vulpes this is bezzle
15:18 mircea_popescu so anyone can now log into any politician's account ?
15:18 nubbins` bezzle life
15:18 ben_vulpes anyways i tried to do the responsible disclosure thing
15:18 mircea_popescu can i spend kim assdashian's money yet ?
15:18 nubbins` so i lost my username and password for the CRA website (canadian IRS)
15:18 nubbins` do you know it was the most goddamn inconvenient thing in the world to get reset?
15:18 ben_vulpes i'll give it mebbe a week and then release the video
15:18 nubbins` i was actually impressed at how frustrating it was
15:18 undata hilarious
15:19 nubbins` if someone could social engineer that shit, they deserve whatever they find
15:19 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes wait. you played his phone to your phone and it took ?!
15:19 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu gets it
15:19 mircea_popescu no fucking way
15:19 ben_vulpes way fucking way
15:19 thestringpuller yup
15:19 mircea_popescu they didn't as much as put a glare cutoff in there ?!
15:19 thestringpuller fingerprint scanners are the same thing
15:19 thestringpuller you can literally photocopy someones finger
15:19 thestringpuller no need to cut figners off anymore
15:20 ben_vulpes watch me end up in jail for unauthorized access of my own accounts
15:20 mircea_popescu i'm so fucking blown away...
15:20 ben_vulpes bank claims its apple
15:20 ben_vulpes apple refuses to say anything
15:20 ben_vulpes and i can't figure out how to turn it off
15:21 kakobrekla lol
15:21 mircea_popescu so wait. i have a humongous library of 2257 notices. prolly tens of k's.
15:21 mircea_popescu does this mean i can log into all the girl's accounts now ?
15:21 ben_vulpes notices?
15:22 mircea_popescu pron thing, the usians came up with this idiotic law that you must make so and so footage of models.
15:22 ben_vulpes oh yeah
15:22 mircea_popescu unsurprisingly, it includes their mugs. unsurprisingly, anyone ever involved ended up with copies,
15:22 ben_vulpes if their banks are using the thing
15:22 mircea_popescu because people were so petrified they might lose a set.
15:22 ben_vulpes as one should be...
15:22 mircea_popescu the hard problem of back-ups for people who don't crypto.
15:23 mircea_popescu this is beyond stupid.
15:23 ben_vulpes OKAY IVE DISENROLLED
15:23 undata they'll improve it by proposing chip-in-hand
15:23 ben_vulpes chip in dick
15:23 ben_vulpes dickterprints
15:23 mircea_popescu i dunno how you can continue with that bank.
15:24 ben_vulpes yeah.
15:24 ben_vulpes well hey here's another fun thing
15:24 mircea_popescu i mean, go rape a toddler instead. better off for society.
15:24 thestringpuller people still use banks?
15:24 thestringpuller my grandparents told me to put money under mattress
15:24 thestringpuller and not trust banks
15:24 ben_vulpes apple pay's going to try to gobble all the banks, so if my bank's truthful about it being apple's fault, i'll just end up with the same problem.
15:24 thestringpuller so I've been doing that
15:24 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no matter.
15:24 mircea_popescu cause, not effect.
15:25 mod6 thestringpuller: they were right, except they didn't figure in fed[ctrl+p]
15:26 jurov really, 10x blocksize increase every 5 years?
15:26 mircea_popescu jurov no, not really. just in the parallel universe where usg matters.
15:27 jurov in past i was arguing in favor of increasing the limit, too.. but no such madness
15:27 Apocalyptic jurov, well reddit wants moon, I guess they got it
15:27 mircea_popescu fork is a bad idea anyway.
15:28 nubbins` mircea_popescu 2257.com available or what?
15:28 nubbins` it's a public service
15:28 mircea_popescu it actually is ?
15:29 jurov i'm surprised gavin isn't considering rule like "allow for blocksize increase if tx fees bigger than some % of coinbase"
15:29 jurov no he must do it in stupidest way possible
15:29 mircea_popescu jurov you realise how easy this is to game ?
15:30 mircea_popescu miner makes a block out of tx with huge fees that he doesn't broadcast. if it goes in, it's in. if not, no loss.
15:31 jurov what? it would be based on lots of past blocks, not only one
15:32 mircea_popescu so ?
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93068 @ 0.00048435 = 45.0775 BTC [-] {3}
15:32 jurov like difficulty.. i meant is only as illustration as opposed to diddling magic numbers
15:32 mircea_popescu i mine 1k btc as fees. what now ?
15:32 BingoBoingo http://t.co/wyp4DnR3in
15:32 assbot Verizon sprints to crush FiOS account exposure hole • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqLzwu )
15:33 mircea_popescu "XDA senior software developer Randy Westergren said the FiOS API flaw since fixed allowed any account to be accessed by manipulating user identification numbers in web requests." shit sherlock.
15:33 jurov it averages over past 10000 blocks
15:34 jurov what would you gain? to count you'd have to publish the block anyway so that it isn't orphaned
15:34 mircea_popescu i can do it probably ten times in 10k blocks with very little costs.
15:34 mircea_popescu block i publish. the tx however, i don't broadcast.
15:34 mircea_popescu "The app hacker quietly reported the holes to Verizon which issued a fix Friday, two days after it was disclosed, and rewarded Westergren with a year's worth of free internet." << heh, bad deal.
15:34 mircea_popescu what happened to "verizon fired its entire security staff, hired hacker to form a new team" ?
15:35 mircea_popescu "fifty eight men join plumbing school as the notion they will ever be hired to do anything with computers is laughable"
15:37 BingoBoingo Plumbing school admits on its own WoT
15:37 mircea_popescu hm
15:37 mircea_popescu i guess that leaves bagging groceries.
15:38 BingoBoingo I mean someone is going to have to vouch you aren't a shithead to get an apprenticeship
15:38 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli
15:40 mircea_popescu "If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself." << i have personally fucked women whose time was actually that sort of money. i bought lunch.
15:40 mircea_popescu THIS HAPPENS NUBBINS`
15:42 jurov mircea_popescu: you would be able to do it only every 100 blocks and since you wouldn't then use external tx fees, rather unprofitable
15:42 mircea_popescu jurov i don't get your logic. why can't i use external tx fees ?
15:42 mircea_popescu i can put anything i want in a block.
15:43 jurov to avoid then lowering the %
15:43 jurov *them
15:43 mircea_popescu not clear why only once in 100, but granted that, 10 btc in fees per block on average is like what, 1mn% more than now ?
15:44 mircea_popescu uh, you want a per tx% ? i thought you just wanted per block aggregate.
15:44 jurov per volume
15:44 jurov % of volume
15:44 mircea_popescu that's even noisier you realise.
15:44 mircea_popescu i put in a satoshi with 1k fee.
15:44 jurov and you wouldn't be able to spend the 1k again in 100 blocks
15:45 jurov or how much it is
15:45 mircea_popescu 120 ? is that just for newly minted coins or fees too ?
15:46 jurov the tx fees go together with newly minted coins afaik
15:46 Apocalyptic well the newly minted coins and the fees are in the same output
15:46 mircea_popescu aha yeah. ok.
15:46 mircea_popescu still, not enough of a hobble.
15:49 jurov *shrug* i can see miners fixing thousands of bitcoins in attempt to raise blocksize, but how feasible scenraion it is, dunno
15:49 jurov *scenario
15:49 BingoBoingo Blocksize http://www.wired.com/2014/06/wuwt-traffic-induced-demand/
15:49 assbot What's Up With That: Building Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqPwkV )
15:50 mircea_popescu jurov make an actual model and i can show you numerically how feasible it is. or otherwise, estimatively, it'd cost about 1 btc to make the blocks any arbitrary size.
15:52 mircea_popescu https://i.imgur.com/TkRbrHp.png da fuck is that ?!
15:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqQ6ze )
15:53 mircea_popescu incredible what a thing that forum is.
15:54 jurov let's say blocksize is allowed to go up by 10% if > 10% of volume are tx fees in past 2016 blocks (same as difficulty)
15:54 mircea_popescu 10% of volume ?!
15:54 mircea_popescu hory shit, i yield.
15:55 jurov yes, let's be conservative
15:55 mircea_popescu well just don't make it scale down bvy the same formula
15:56 mircea_popescu (tbh such a change is pure gunk, bitcoin will NEVER carry 10% fees, ever. period.)
15:56 jurov why not?
15:58 jurov tx fees will certainly end up higher than now, but how much?
15:59 jurov how much % asks swift?
15:59 mircea_popescu swift is fixed fee.
16:01 mircea_popescu currently tx fees are in the range of 0.000000001% to 0.001%. they will increase, yes. degrees of magnitude, yes. past 1% as an average is unlikely, because alternatives will become lucrative enough. such as you know, people would stop "tipping" etc.
16:08 jurov hm, 1% in current situation means 5-10 BTC per day
16:08 jurov would stay much less than mining reward this century
16:09 asciilifeform bigger roads.. traffic worse << impedence mismatch. see also example, 'belady's anomaly', in computing/electronics
16:10 mircea_popescu jurov the current situationb isn
16:10 mircea_popescu is not the be all-end all to judge things on.
16:10 mircea_popescu a system where 1k btc out of a 15mn currency base moves EACH DAY has exceedingly slow velocity.
16:11 mircea_popescu as btc matures, velocity will approach more reasonable values.
16:11 jurov i dunno if it's possible for the volume to be magnitudes more
16:11 mircea_popescu i would suspect once we've beheaed gavin for things to proceed apace and by 2020 or so to have a more reasonable 50 to 100k move daily, of which that 1% is then maybe 50 btc a day.
16:11 mircea_popescu as this carries on eventuyally fees will exceed block rewards sometime that decade.
16:12 thestringpuller asciilifeform: Interesting comparison in SimCity. So you plan roads all willy nilly. I like curves yay! Etc. anyhow. traffic starts building up cause your shit ain't planned well.
16:12 mircea_popescu jurov not possible huh ? compare M3 to world trade figures.
16:12 thestringpuller So you upgrade the roads
16:12 thestringpuller to 4 lanes instead of 2
16:12 thestringpuller well guess what the buildings nearby the roads upgrade too
16:12 jurov world trade incl forex ?
16:13 mircea_popescu jurov all trade.
16:13 mircea_popescu all of it. everything.
16:13 asciilifeform thestringpuller: in real life, the jams begin immediately after the road is widened. because impedence mismatch, elementary. nothing to do with the population around the road, on that timescale.
16:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform notice the very convenient "uilding Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse" just on the tail end of two decades of "we can't actually afford to build anything anymore" and as "we can't really even maintain what we got" sets in.
16:14 mircea_popescu eerilie reminiscent of how "financial discipline" was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s
16:14 mircea_popescu but somehow it's NOT what the us has to do, once the us turned into a cold war ghetto.
16:15 thestringpuller ^- this is essentially simulated in older versions of sim city
16:15 thestringpuller then you start operating on cheat codes
16:15 thestringpuller aka QE
16:15 thestringpuller type "FUNDS" several hundred times
16:15 asciilifeform the traffic-obeying-impedence and other fluid dynamics laws has been known for ages.
16:16 thestringpuller asciilifeform: yea but we don't pay our civil engineers nearly enough, or allocated enough money to design to warrant good roads in this country at least.
16:16 danielpbarron i remember simcity on snes where you had to intentionally get taxed into negative to get the money value to wrap around to 999`999
16:16 asciilifeform 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills.
16:16 mircea_popescu right.
16:16 mircea_popescu but somehow it's not now the case that *I* should waltz in washington and buy the monument for a few bitcents.
16:17 mircea_popescu odd how this "experts agree" thing works.
16:17 thestringpuller how is it odd?
16:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remember that ruin you showed me in Timis? asked 'what does it cost', and you said 'you can buy but city hall'll make you clean it'
16:18 mircea_popescu thestringpuller the definition of an expert is, fundamentally, "one whose judgements are not based on his own circumstance".
16:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wouldn't clean it, i'd just host impalement orgies for kidnapped daughters of the "elite" doing whatever women's studies bullshit in college.
16:19 mircea_popescu a decade or two of that should put the country on pretty decent footing.
16:19 mircea_popescu it did in russia, at any rate. romania idem.
16:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that -is- cleaning.
16:19 mircea_popescu myeah, i guess so.
16:19 BingoBoingo !b 6
16:19 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AZDE3N.txt )
16:19 mircea_popescu check this inane shit out
16:19 mircea_popescu "to take a closer look at the problem. In 2009, two economists—Matthew Turner of the University of Toronto and Gilles Duranton of the University of Pennsylvania—decided to compare the amount of new roads and highways built in different U.S. cities between 1980 and 2000, and the total number of miles driven in those cities over the same period.
16:19 mircea_popescu “We found that there’s this perfect one-to-one relationship,” said Turner.
16:19 mircea_popescu If a city had increased its road capacity by 10 percent between 1980 and 1990, then the amount of driving in that city went up by 10 percent. If the amount of roads in the same city then went up by 11 percent between 1990 and 2000, the total number of miles driven also went up by 11 percent. It’s like the two figures were moving in perfect lockstep, changing at the same exact rate."
16:20 mircea_popescu academics in the scholarly academic topic of correlation is causation.
16:20 asciilifeform get married, grow taller!
16:21 mircea_popescu "when divorce occurence in a population increases by 10%, the per-capita dependent children figure goes up by 10%. when 12%, 12%. clearly, divorce causes fertility."
16:21 mircea_popescu "it's not like we're counting fewer people as a basis or anything"
16:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00047714 = 25.5747 BTC [-] {2}
16:22 mircea_popescu "nothing substantial has changed anywhere else but where we want you to look. please infer"
16:22 mircea_popescu fucking roadshow circus tricks, wtf.
16:24 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsea2tJlIm1qcjzz2o1_500.jpg << intelligent, educated young woman doing expert work. in sheer contrast to the idiots quoted above, who suck.
16:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/155tLpj )
16:26 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/gavin-andresen-on-future-blockchain-security-i-dunno-lol/
16:29 jurov i gathered velocity of world money is somewhere around 1-2 yearly.. and yes, such velocity means 50-100k BTC/day
16:29 ben_vulpes odd question
16:29 ben_vulpes what's the opposite of a fixed asset?
16:30 ben_vulpes (i suspect that when you increase road surface by 10%, road miles go up far more than that)
16:30 jurov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_asset << opposite of this?
16:30 assbot Fixed asset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH00ro )
16:33 ben_vulpes pretty much, jurov
16:34 BingoBoingo http://man.aiju.de/1/fortune
16:34 assbot fortune page from Section 1 of the /1/fortune manual ... ( http://bit.ly/155xljr )
16:36 BingoBoingo looks like plan 9 development is picking up https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/features
16:36 assbot features - plan9front - New features - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155xPGh )
16:36 undata BingoBoingo: google leaning into it?
16:36 BingoBoingo undata: Nah, just some group forked it and is hosting the thing on google code
16:37 undata interesting
16:37 BingoBoingo http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/news/2014/12/11/0/
16:37 assbot news - 2014 - 12 - 11 - 0 ... ( http://bit.ly/155ysQ9 )
16:39 BingoBoingo Related http://http02.cat-v.org/
16:39 assbot HTTP 0.2 (ie., HTTP 2.0 / 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/155z7kl )
16:39 asciilifeform http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/browse/rc/bin/feminize
16:39 assbot feminize - plan9front - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155z8oG )
16:40 BingoBoingo latest diff https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?spec=svn8cd112f650b1e4f831de26631de627465bceb219&r=e263d58bfeda6b441179595bc44d0ef00374c75f
16:40 assbot e263d58bfeda - plan9front - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155zqvL )
16:42 thestringpuller cazalla be in hiding?
16:43 BingoBoingo Mebbe
16:47 joecool o you guys upgraded the bot
16:51 thestringpuller joecool: kakobrekla upgraded the bot
16:51 joecool thestringpuller: probably for the best, is the db still centralized to the WoT or is it a new system?
16:54 thestringpuller joecool: 2 wotdb's now
16:54 thestringpuller joecool: assbot updates its own wotdb forked from nanotube 's
16:54 thestringpuller so there are now 2 wot's
16:55 joecool thestringpuller: ah, is there a particular reason why it was useful to fork?
16:56 thestringpuller joecool: http://qntra.net/2015/01/assbot-gains-web-of-trust-functionality/
16:56 danielpbarron joecool, everyone else was doing it!
16:56 danielpbarron not gonna let anderpson show us up
17:01 thestringpuller ^- that's a good one :D
17:02 joecool thestringpuller: so does this bot support ratings as well?
17:02 joecool that are stored separate from the original WoT db?
17:06 thestringpuller that's the tl;dr of it
17:09 mircea_popescu so wait, "you must accept MY altchain because otherwise you get a CHOICE of alt chains" ? this is the gavin pro-fork argument ?
17:09 mircea_popescu it's funny what vanity does to people. is he actually blind to how his entire position reduces to "i wish to be relevant, damn the world" ? neat.
17:19 asciilifeform soon we find out whether the button given to the usg shill is actually wired to anything ?
17:19 mircea_popescu i guess so.
17:20 mircea_popescu hard to tell, the one thing cowards and idiots have in common is that both talk the tough talk all the way through.
17:21 mircea_popescu only real difference being the idiots don't have sense enough to chicken out right before the jump
17:22 hanbot commented on his blogspot lol
17:28 mircea_popescu im not gonna blogspot.
17:36 thestringpuller but you'll wordpress?
17:37 thestringpuller hanbot: lemme guess "Congrats on being an idiot gavin" is you?
17:39 mircea_popescu yeah. wordpress is at least open source shit.
17:44 thestringpuller asciilifeform: would this be like cartoon where someone threatens to fire nuke. presses button, and out pops confetti and lil' jon yelling "YEAAA BOMBS!!!!" ???
17:46 undata !b 1
17:46 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25FG6FV.txt )
17:51 mircea_popescu http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/451/451.html
17:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BciBuI )
17:56 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-board-of-indirectors/
18:02 scoopbot New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-january-15th-2015-statement/
18:02 scoopbot New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/bitcointalk-staff/
18:02 davout lesson: don't fuck with your permalinks
18:03 mircea_popescu http://www.avictorian.com/fanlanguage.html << just in case anyone is morbidly curious
18:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/181INP6 )
18:03 mircea_popescu (yes the fan convention existed)
18:05 mircea_popescu (and this is the author's tit : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Madame_de_Genlis_by_Lemoine.jpg in the good tradition that a woman must show her breasts ifshe wants to be taken seriously).
18:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/181IXWP )
18:05 mircea_popescu !up Sleepnbum
18:05 nubbins` but it's so oddly placed
18:05 mircea_popescu hand carved bitch
18:05 davout mircea_popescu: haha
18:07 nubbins` heh
18:07 nubbins` nah 100% laser
18:10 thestringpuller ;;later tell cazalla send me PM when you get a chance.
18:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:13 nubbins` crikey
18:13 jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/source/src/init.cpp << source xreference with clickable identifiers
18:14 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/181JLLi )
18:14 jurov it will get reorganized, so far only upstream 0.5.3 for testing
18:15 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: have you seen much actual derping in public about this nisman thing?
18:15 jurov and it's open for ad space preorders
18:16 ben_vulpes 404, jurov
18:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
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18:17 mircea_popescu something like, "a bunch of people who appear bussed in, and some derps organizing". ie, it looked to me like astroturf.
18:17 jurov ben_vulpes ahh it's the ersatz hosting
18:18 mircea_popescu but tell you what, da got assassinated by president (there's absolutely no doubt cristina kirschener ordered it, and it was an assassinate) and... no manifestation.,
18:18 mircea_popescu nothing.
18:19 mircea_popescu so i am satisfied that all the "manifestations" are just so much empty theatre.
18:19 jurov was there any idea how to refer to patched releases? i need some handle under which to publish them in lxr
18:19 mircea_popescu mod6 ^
18:19 ben_vulpes jurov: how about you hold off on publishing the patched set for now.
18:20 jurov why?
18:20 ben_vulpes do you plan to run lxr on each patch?
18:21 ben_vulpes or to say, run an lxr instance for each successive patch?
18:21 jurov it does support multiple versions
18:21 ben_vulpes hm
18:21 ben_vulpes well, nm. ignore me
18:22 ben_vulpes you might consider using the patch names as a handle
18:23 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what kinds of "public meetings" happen?
18:24 mircea_popescu you familiar with this thing where a bunch of people holding signs walk or stand ?
18:24 ben_vulpes myeah
18:24 mircea_popescu that.
18:24 jurov i'll return to these patches later, now i have to finally fix the s3 suffering
18:24 ben_vulpes so they're *all* bogus?
18:24 mircea_popescu yes, i believe so.
18:24 ben_vulpes jurov: s3 is suffering
18:24 ben_vulpes on whose dime?
18:24 mircea_popescu govt can print. and does print. which is how it went bankrupt.
18:25 mircea_popescu you can't get me to seriously think that some intricate point of policy yields 500 people holding signs in the street,
18:25 ben_vulpes and will again indubitably
18:25 mircea_popescu and then simple political murder, of the most shameless sort, fails to stir three dudes.
18:25 ben_vulpes oh, this shit goes down for arcane policy points?
18:25 mircea_popescu clearly the population is not naturally represented in this process.
18:25 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes to get a couple aweek you gotta scrape pretty thin yea ?
18:25 ben_vulpes yeah i think i'm going to hold off on moving to argentina until the next round of food riots clear out.
18:25 mircea_popescu i like food riots.
18:26 mircea_popescu but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?
18:26 mircea_popescu i would expect a degree of magnitude more pressure as a result of this rather than that.
18:27 ben_vulpes fear of those in power?
18:27 mircea_popescu turns out, when a government is the terrorist, all is ok. but if individuals are the terrorists, oh noes, gotta make the press talk of nothing else for a month.
18:27 ben_vulpes spectre of the old regime?
18:27 mircea_popescu well...
18:27 mircea_popescu i am personally in favour of so much individual terrorism until it is inconceivable for the slightest hint of the state doing it,
18:27 mircea_popescu whereas individual terrorism is regarded as ordinary and perhaps welcome.
18:28 mircea_popescu so... love food riots. if president + government get raped and impaled, all the better.
18:28 mircea_popescu hopefully they get replaced, and the replacements get raped and impaled as well.
18:29 mircea_popescu and may this process outlast the century.
18:30 hanbot lol simmer down mp!
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18:59 mod6 jurov: what is lxr?
19:07 mod6 this thingy? http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxr/
19:07 assbot LXR Cross Referencer | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zv6jiU )
19:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00047409 = 18.1576 BTC [-]
19:14 scoopbot New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/gavineries/
19:16 davout mircea_popescu: "but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?" <<< easier for the media to blame teh arabs than to blame their president i'd say
19:16 davout but if this murder thing is that obvious, zero is indeed very low amount of protest
19:30 nubbins` ^
19:30 nubbins` apathy is the new concern
19:30 mod6 davout: thx for posting.
19:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00047146 = 14.8981 BTC [-]
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19:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20049 @ 0.00047146 = 9.4523 BTC [-]
19:58 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10222936#msg10222936
19:58 assbot Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/156xEuk )
20:01 kakobrekla >the best guess from our devs is that the bid was filtered out because the highest bid was > lowest ask.
20:01 kakobrekla hehe
20:12 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: you around?
20:15 mircea_popescu davout here's the story : big bombing here in the 70s, at the jewish center. dozens of victims.
20:17 mircea_popescu teheran was behind it. first investigation said so. presidency (same fambly since forever) tabled it.
20:17 mircea_popescu they created a "joint comission" with iran. it didn't get anywhere.
20:17 mircea_popescu da finally came out and said, here's how the president is linked to the whole thing.
20:17 mircea_popescu next day, he
20:17 mircea_popescu 's "commited suicide".
20:17 felipelalli I made a mess here with html formatting: http://qntra.net/2015/01/gavin-andresen-on-future-blockchain-security-i-dunno-lol/#comment-7830
20:17 assbot Gavin Andresen On Future Blockchain Security: I Dunno LOL! | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/156Ddsx )
20:17 felipelalli how can I fix that? I can't delete or update it.
20:21 mircea_popescu "Edit: On IRC, Gavin explained he already talked to most (all?) big merchant processors and exchanges, and they were all onboard." derp.
20:22 asciilifeform any reason to doubt that the usg exchanges and other scum are 'on board' (for what that's worth) ?
20:22 mircea_popescu lots of reason to doubt that it's worth anything.
20:22 mircea_popescu but yes, im sure gavin "talked" to everyone handled by the same office.
20:23 asciilifeform the academic question of whether the abortus will die merciful death or live on as circus freak ?
20:23 mircea_popescu this is fine, the us wants to be humiliated on this front too, let it be humiliated on this front too.
20:23 mircea_popescu just as long as it's plainly clear what's what.
20:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the "ukrainian government" still exists right ?
20:23 mircea_popescu nubbins` http://gfx9.com/angry-lion-graphics-vector-free/163321 lol.
20:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/156EYGm )
20:23 mircea_popescu win.
20:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: last i heard, not impaled yet
20:24 mircea_popescu so if they're willing to commit to the same level, they'll get the same result.
20:25 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10223137#msg10223137
20:25 assbot Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/156FBiY )
20:26 nubbins` so much gold
20:26 mircea_popescu "Every step of the way he kept me updated. "
20:27 mircea_popescu you know, the fucking exchanges send like an email on everything now?
20:27 nubbins` "here is some hamster nesting sprinkled on your piece"
20:27 nubbins` "I happen to be a woodworker of 40+ years myself (yes, I really am that old) and I contacted WoodCollecter just a couple days ago to see if he was interested in buying some Ironwood, although I never looked at his work. Now i see this and my mind is completely boggled. I did not read every post here, but I can affirm the opinion of a few I saw that have said that the intricate carving in question is done with a laser. I am 100% sure about
20:27 nubbins` it. NO doubt, case closed."
20:27 mircea_popescu from derpyexchange subject :"mouse movement detected"
20:27 nubbins` "You can clearly see the line by line marks left on this piece that are definitely, without a doubt, with 100% certainty left by a laser engraver exactly the same as a printer does:"
20:27 nubbins` lados
20:28 asciilifeform lol, what happened to scams that were at least plausible.
20:28 mircea_popescu this one is just as plausible. all you need is to be stupid.
20:28 asciilifeform but folks that stupid ought to be buying brooklyn bridge.
20:29 asciilifeform or at least playing straight pyramids.
20:29 mircea_popescu He did the BTC from memory << ok that's pretty good lol
20:32 mircea_popescu nubbins` at this point, expecting a "well of course SOME PARTS were done with a laser but that's not what we were talking about" pivot for the entire "you're a bad person for hurting my feelings and i'm putting together a lynch party" talk
20:32 mircea_popescu !up beautyon
20:34 nubbins` yuss
20:35 mats is concealing the laser job hard?
20:36 mircea_popescu no.
20:36 mats sand the damn thing?
20:36 mircea_popescu a) do not make too tiny cuts that wouldn't have survived mechanically b) clean the fucking piece.
20:36 mircea_popescu this is like an E for effort level attempt.
20:37 mircea_popescu very common problem people have on the internet, the "everyone is as stupid as me / everyone's a goat the same gender and age as me" issue.
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20:37 asciilifeform this was some kind of record, no ?
20:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57273 @ 0.00047683 = 27.3095 BTC [+] {3}
20:38 mircea_popescu hm ?
20:38 asciilifeform for sheer idiocy of the expected chump
20:39 mircea_popescu hard to tell, this.
20:39 mircea_popescu it's like a diamond, depends which way the light falls.
20:41 asciilifeform speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped
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20:42 asciilifeform unless there is some unusually reliable record of the past concerning the object
20:42 mircea_popescu "I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking"
20:42 mircea_popescu he can still prove it to you, but only secretly and if oyu agree.
20:42 asciilifeform like mr. spam!
20:42 mircea_popescu quite.
20:42 mircea_popescu the river shapes the rocks, right ?
20:43 asciilifeform in BingoBoingo's words, the arse shapes the turd.
20:43 mircea_popescu even better.
20:43 mircea_popescu the funny thing (to me) here is, gotany idea how much of this shit floated before there was an internet ?
20:44 mircea_popescu how many idiotic "artisans" filled each corner of england ?
20:44 asciilifeform actually,
20:45 asciilifeform i'm rather fond of old magazines. (mid 20th c. to late '70s, in particular.) the american ones are hilariously rich in sc4mz0r1ng
20:45 asciilifeform of every conceivable variety.
20:45 nubbins` nod
20:45 nubbins` dem back-page ads
20:45 nubbins` you have any idea how many fuckin miracles my folks didn't let me buy?!
20:46 asciilifeform 'improve your memory, guaranteed, with scientology therapy.' ('popular mechanics,' 1958. classified ad.)
20:46 asciilifeform buried in ten thousand 'get rich growing turtles / sorting pigs / ... / ... - guaranteed'
20:52 asciilifeform https://books.google.com/books?id=fdsDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&dq=popular%20mechanics%201958&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%201958&f=false
20:52 assbot Popular Mechanics - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/156Nvc7 )
20:52 asciilifeform ^ example
20:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean it deeper than that. i mean, actual quacks passing for professionals. see, since the internet there's a line being drawn : sure both gavin and wood dude pass to a certain crowd as idiots for the genuine article. but there exists a thinking crowd that sees through it.
20:53 mircea_popescu fifty or five hundred years ago, that wasn't a crowd. it was sole individuals, and the idiots were still a crowd.
20:53 mircea_popescu if gavin were a blacksmith, he probably would have passed for a good one. if this guy were an actual lumberjack, he'd probably have counted for a fine lumberjack.
20:54 mircea_popescu notwithstanding that he'd have a complex story as to how earthworms cause trees to flower
20:54 asciilifeform neh, he'd travel from town to town and proclaim that he'll fell tree with the power of farts
20:54 mircea_popescu old men pretending to be teaching the young'uns "trigonometry" who thought pi = 3.
20:55 asciilifeform for a small fee.
20:55 mircea_popescu nah.
20:55 mircea_popescu there weren't as many of these.
20:55 mircea_popescu genders don't preserve through the eons, they bleed. the french soldier of 1800 wasn't a soldier in 1750. he was a peasant.
20:55 asciilifeform that other kind - that was (and some would say still is!) - medicine.
20:56 asciilifeform anyone who has read medical treatises from as little as two centuries ago, will see a place for gavin et al in that profession
20:56 mircea_popescu yeah i guess medicine is particularly apt.
20:56 mircea_popescu right about at the time they tarred and feathered that asinine idiot who said they should wash hands
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20:56 mircea_popescu AS IF THEY WERENT GENTLEMEN
20:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.exclassics.com/arist/ariintro.htm << familiar ?
20:56 assbot Aristotle's Masterpiece -- Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/156OIAp )
20:57 mircea_popescu the type of plague that destroys the medical community, that guy.
20:57 asciilifeform a real ripper of a time!
20:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes
21:00 mircea_popescu "Question: Why would I go to the fucking dumpy ass trailer park called Lake Havasu when I am currently living in Carefree and 10 minutes from Scottsdale?" lol i was waiting for this.
21:00 mircea_popescu i was thinking umm lake havasu wtf.
21:06 mircea_popescu One night, Charles Manners (Lord Lieutenant of Ireland) appeared in the regal box at the theatre on the same night that Peg was attending the show with her girls. Some wags in the gallery began shouting at her “Oy Peg! Who slept with you last night, Peg?” Peg gave them an imperious look, threw a dramatic glance at the Lord Lieutenant and in a scolding tone, said: “Manners, you dogs!”
21:09 decimation re: lake havasu < connecting to your medical deal, several people have died swimming in that lake as I recall http://www.havasunews.com/news/new-reports-of-rare-brain-infections-surfacing/article_adadef24-056a-11e3-b7a8-001a4bcf887a.html
21:09 assbot New reports of rare brain infections surfacing - Havasu News: News ... ( http://bit.ly/156SjhE )
21:10 mircea_popescu odd
21:10 decimation it lives in warm freshwater, and finds that human brains are tastey
21:10 mats that's terrifying
21:11 mats thanks for ruining swimming decimation
21:11 asciilifeform !s candiru
21:11 assbot 0 results for 'candiru' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=candiru
21:11 asciilifeform ^ also ruins swimming in certain spots
21:12 decimation sometimes the lake swims in you
21:12 undata warning to neti-pot users: same thing can happen... boil the water
21:15 mike_c ;;later tell BingoBoingo draft submitted
21:15 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:24 mircea_popescu !rated Luke-Jr
21:24 assbot You rated user Luke-Jr on 24-Jul-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within.
21:24 mircea_popescu needs something under -10
21:25 mircea_popescu "Downsides of a hardfork are simply that all nodes who do not go along with the upgrade are left without a functioning Bitcoin node, and susceptible to fraud (double spending, etc). This means a mandatory update of every node in the wild, which could require hardware upgrades as well. Miners are not in any special position to decide a hardfork, and are at the mercy of the bitcoin users (mainly merchants and exchanges)
21:25 mircea_popescu as far as hardforking goes." << the downside of a hardfork is that every user that buys into the gavin scam will be left without a bitcoin node.
21:25 mircea_popescu he ~MAY~ receive a gavincoin node in exchange. maybe.
21:25 mircea_popescu perhaps as valuable as an ethereum node, that.
21:27 mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 Gavin Scamcoins @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
21:27 gribble Error: 'Scamcoins' is not a valid price input.
21:27 mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
21:27 gribble Error: '@750' is not a valid price input.
21:27 mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
21:27 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
21:27 mircea_popescu doh.
21:27 mircea_popescu !up Luke-Jr
21:27 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: no, what you describe is an attack disguised as a hardfork
21:27 mircea_popescu exactly what this is.
21:27 Luke-Jr a real hardfork is one where the community is in agreement on it
21:27 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: there isn't anything yet, he hasn't even proposed one
21:27 mircea_popescu there is no "community" agreement. reddit isn;'t the community.
21:28 mircea_popescu and what lies gavin is sprouting to an eager ear... his problem.
21:28 Luke-Jr he's blogged about a possible proposal
21:28 mircea_popescu i will just remind you that you actually believed the bfl scammers, and stained your own beard lieing about THAT delivery.
21:28 Luke-Jr when he proposes it, then people can argue for/against it, and either it will gain consensus or it won't
21:28 Luke-Jr I didn't lie.
21:29 mircea_popescu yeah, you did. you were promised one thing, got another thing, they told you "it's just as good, pretend like you got the original". and you did. becauser you believed them, that delivery's imminent and errything.
21:29 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: what? I said I got what i got.
21:29 mircea_popescu same shit's happening here. gavin is lying, and you're falling for it.
21:29 mircea_popescu mneah.
21:29 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: did you read the discussion earlier in #bitcoin-dev ? nobody is going to just go along with this as it is right now.
21:30 mircea_popescu heh.
21:31 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: Gavin wants to know what has to happen for people to agree to it - he isn't trying to force it through without consensus
21:31 mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
21:31 gribble Order id 21920 created.
21:31 Luke-Jr so unless you think dogmatically blocksize must remain 1 MB forever.. tell him what needs to happen to make you comfortable with it
21:32 mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
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21:32 gribble Order id 21921 created.
21:32 mircea_popescu including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge.
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21:33 Luke-Jr ?
21:34 mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/ <
21:34 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykLRzl )
21:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00046197 = 16.1228 BTC [-] {2}
21:38 mircea_popescu kakobrekla hey is there going to be a party on the log's 1mn th line ?
21:38 Luke-Jr so is this a Bitcoin Core fork?
21:38 mircea_popescu yes.
21:38 undata danielpbarron: damned quick on the twitter draw
21:39 danielpbarron :D
21:40 Luke-Jr is there a place I can see the code? the ML archives linked a github, but it is 404
21:40 mircea_popescu jurov << ppl be complaining they can't see teh code ?
21:41 mod6 what's the link?
21:41 Luke-Jr github.com/adlai/bitcoin
21:41 asciilifeform see the code << they haven't a copy of 'tar' ?
21:42 mod6 Luke-Jr: not even sure where you found that link..
21:42 Luke-Jr I see no tar, except a build
21:42 Luke-Jr mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000011.html
21:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCqhcs )
21:45 mod6 If you don't want to bother digging through the mailing list for patches, you can just dl the tarballs under "Submitted Patches" on thebitcoin.foundation site
21:45 mod6 Although the rm_checkpoints one will probably be tabled before the end of the month.
21:45 Luke-Jr I don't want patches, I want the complete code.
21:46 Luke-Jr what are the patches even against in the first place?
21:46 mod6 Well, that's what there is: the v0.5.3 base + patch files.
21:46 Apocalyptic 0.5.3 afaik
21:46 decimation Luke-Jr: how do you discern the trustworthiness of the author?
21:46 Luke-Jr which patch contains the post-0.5.3 hardforks?
21:46 Luke-Jr decimation: why do I care about the author?
21:46 decimation indeed.
21:47 mod6 there is not anything post v0.5.3 patched in at this point.
21:47 Luke-Jr so it doesn't even work?
21:47 mod6 it does work
21:48 Luke-Jr it can't, if you don't have the 0.8.1 hardfork patched in..
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21:49 mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=V2PzW2LP
21:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1573yXv )
21:50 kakobrekla it depend what means 'work' ?
21:50 Luke-Jr mod6: so it's like 3000 blocks behind?
21:51 mod6 dude, that was published on the 1st of january.
21:51 Luke-Jr ok, so how are you getting it to work without the hardfork?
21:52 decimation do you have a document describing what exactly changed in this hardfork?
21:52 Luke-Jr the bdb lock limitation was removed
21:54 undata Luke-Jr: inspect db_config.tar.gz maybe
21:54 undata that one diddles the knobs on bdb
21:55 Luke-Jr hmm
21:55 Luke-Jr that *might* work
21:55 * Luke-Jr compares with the 0.5.x backport of the hardfork
21:57 Luke-Jr why not base it on 0.5.7 or 0.5.8rc3 btw?
21:58 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/robert-faiella-aka-btcking-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison/
21:58 mod6 i cant believe im going to do this
21:58 mod6 !up Luke-Jr
21:59 mod6 it was selected because "reasons"
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21:59 Luke-Jr I think the db_config patch may explain why it works, but could be potentially inadequate for the current consensus rules
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21:59 Luke-Jr looks like Gavin's recommendations, which were lame
22:00 mod6 which are those?
22:00 Luke-Jr dunno, it's lost in history now
22:01 Luke-Jr the 0.5.x backport just changed set_lk_max_locks to 537000
22:01 Luke-Jr not sure why this patch is reducing set_lg_max..
22:02 felipelalli MPEx are going to negotiate Gavin Coins?
22:03 nubbins` <+Luke-Jr> why not base it on 0.5.7 or 0.5.8rc3 btw? <<< i said 0.6.1...
22:03 nubbins` it was decided that 0.5.3 was the earliest that'd still work.
22:03 nubbins` or rather, that 0.5.3 was the point at which no further breaking changes were implemented
22:04 Luke-Jr nubbins`: 0.4.9rc3 should work I think
22:04 Luke-Jr I maintained that up until Sep 2013
22:04 decimation https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/db.cpp#L89
22:04 assbot bitcoin/db.cpp at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1576QtO )
22:04 Luke-Jr including through the 0.8.1 hardfork
22:05 Luke-Jr decimation: Bitcoin Core does not use bdb for the blockchain
22:05 Luke-Jr since 0.8.0
22:05 Luke-Jr ie, those limits are for the wallet
22:07 Luke-Jr https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/commit/4a89522c22e07a640463292b212ecdf31037a8c4 is the 0.4.x commit for the hardfork
22:07 assbot Bugfix: Bump lk_max_locks default to 537000, to safely handle reorgs ... - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1577ozQ )
22:08 Luke-Jr https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/commit/b4e9cd8e8ab310bf341103bac1e9640e27cc7488 is also informative in that respect
22:08 assbot Check effective maximum bdb locks (possibly overridden in DB_CONFIG),... - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1577zv1 )
22:08 * mod6 looks
22:11 nubbins` tracking down vintage 0.5.3 and applying .foundation patches = fun times
22:12 nubbins` start with chicken.tar.gz and go from there
22:12 mod6 i've got a script now...
22:12 mod6 but i'll publish it to the list with some refinements before the end of the month
22:12 nubbins` it's all in easily-digestible chunks, no sweat to eyeball each patch & fully understand what's going on
22:12 * mod6 finds
22:12 Luke-Jr "tracking down" as if it's disappeared
22:12 nubbins` did YOU save the MD5 sums? 8)
22:13 Luke-Jr nubbins`: my git client did
22:13 Luke-Jr also, MD5 is not safe for this
22:13 nubbins` and so disappearing is not precisely the concern :D
22:13 mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=U75B7820
22:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zvrJwi )
22:13 mod6 just need to change ``HOME'' to where you wanna build
22:14 Luke-Jr do you guys dislike git or something? O.o
22:14 Luke-Jr git basically uses a "blockchain" and makes it very hard to rewrite history
22:16 mod6 we wanted unified diffs we could sign
22:18 Luke-Jr mod6: git supports signing commits
22:18 Luke-Jr although I suppose that doesn't help if you want multiple people to sign them
22:19 mod6 yeah, there was a whole discussion surrounding this entire process. it's in the logs.
22:19 Luke-Jr oh well, I guess it's managable if you don't plan to do much maintenance to it
22:19 decimation Luke-Jr: the idea is that signed patches would be read by people, who would then sign
22:21 Luke-Jr yeah, it's definitely a shortcoming of git
22:22 Luke-Jr anyhow, if the goal is oldest version, I'd recommend going off 0.4.x; either way, I'd recommend fixing the bdb hardfork
22:23 Luke-Jr and I hope Gavin doesn't plan to just ignore DarkWallet and your fork - though I wouldn't be surprised if he did to be honest
22:23 Luke-Jr might help if the devs here participated in the discussions in #bitcoin-dev when it came up.. maybe
22:24 decimation I'm not sure folks here are interested in 'maintaining' as much as understanding and recreating
22:24 asciilifeform Luke-Jr: you're still thinking in terms of persuasion. we don't need to persuade the usg stooge of anything.
22:25 Luke-Jr asciilifeform: I agree Gavin should persuade you - but he will probably ignore you if you're not there discussing it
22:25 Luke-Jr (persuade you, as opposed to you persuading him to stop)
22:26 Luke-Jr (ugh, I'm being unclear: I mean the onus is on him to convince you, and you shouldn't have to convince him)
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88901 @ 0.00046346 = 41.2021 BTC [+] {2}
22:27 mircea_popescu !up Blazedout419
22:28 decimation why would we care what some guy (like gavin) commits into some random github repo?
22:28 mircea_popescu Blazedout419 hey, my question to you is, did you actually pay 14k for that guy's wooden thing, as represented ? or was it more like a sweetheart sort of deal for advertising sake, like the sillycon valley does ?
22:28 mircea_popescu i dunno any better, so ima take your word for it.
22:29 Luke-Jr decimation: it's not "some random github repo", it's the code that most nodes *will* be running unless someone objects
22:29 mircea_popescu !up Luke-Jr
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22:29 Luke-Jr decimation: also, Gavin is no longer the final word for any git repo
22:29 mircea_popescu when did that happen ?
22:29 Luke-Jr a few months ago IIRC
22:29 mircea_popescu nubbins` darling how did YOU get sexist ?
22:34 mircea_popescu Luke-Jr anyway, inasmuch as everyone actually wants bitcoin to prevail, divergence of opinion isn't much of a problem. however, the conservative rather than the progressive approach must be observed. change doesn't happen just for the sake of changing things. this isn't a fad or an ipad gizmo. if consensus can't be reached for whatever reason, whoever doesn't like it leaves and starts over, rather than pretending the o
22:34 mircea_popescu pposite.
22:36 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: I'm definitely in favour of taking a conservative approach, and I'm pretty sure most of the Bitcoin Core team is as well. I think Gavin was probably frustrated earlier when it came up in #bitcoin-dev because nobody could give him a straightforward "way to convince everyone"
22:37 mircea_popescu sometimes we don't get what we want. that doesn't mean our wants now have a wild card and nothing else matters anymore. this isn't school.
22:37 mircea_popescu what's next, start assaulting women because "nobody told me how to seduce any woman" ?
22:38 mircea_popescu seems a little too geeky.
22:38 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: If Gavin wanted to force the hardfork, he wouldn't be frustrated at his inability to convince people ;)
22:39 mircea_popescu im not going to carry that argument.
22:45 mircea_popescu !up Trollmeister
22:45 mircea_popescu !up elgrecoFL
22:47 Luke-Jr anyhow, I don't think Gavin knows people here have concerns. I'd suggest doing a writeup of what those concerns are, and what Gavin needs to do if he wants your approval for a hardfork. I know you shouldn't *have to*, but otherwise I don't see any way this is likely to come to a resolution.
22:48 mircea_popescu people here don't "have concerns". people here are going to skin the fork as proposed so far, no argument there. gavin can start reading or press ahead, either way.
22:49 Luke-Jr especially if Gavin has the big merchants and exchanges onboard - if they follow his lead on this, everyone who wants to buy stuff with Bitcoin is likely to follow along too, for better or worse
22:49 mircea_popescu the one large merchant left in bitcoin so far is mpex.
22:49 Luke-Jr "skin the fork"?
22:49 mircea_popescu but if you absolutely must see bitpay die before you wake up, it can be arranged.
22:49 Luke-Jr please. how many people actually even use MPEX?
22:49 mircea_popescu coinbase made the round, which i guess gains it a little space. NOT that much.
22:49 mircea_popescu enough to make me 600 btc in the month bitpay made a loss.
22:50 Luke-Jr that could be a single person with a lot of volume
22:50 Luke-Jr head counts matter more than volume sometimes
22:50 mircea_popescu point being, mpex is, currently, > 50% of "bitcoin business". like it or not, it's a fact.
22:50 mircea_popescu not in money, no.
22:50 mircea_popescu but if headcount feels the need to learn this through headcollisions with hard objects, it may.
22:51 Luke-Jr I find it very hard to believe MPEX is even 1% of bitcoin business
22:52 mircea_popescu right.
22:52 mircea_popescu it's so far 100% of the bitcoin "told the usg to get fucked" party. once you digest that you might be in a better position to evaluate who matters and who doesn't,
22:52 mircea_popescu than if going by conference headcounds or w/e.
22:53 Luke-Jr look, I respect your right to be free of US interference since you're outside the US, but governmental politics has basically nothing to do with hardforks
22:54 mircea_popescu globalisation just turned off hm ?
22:54 Luke-Jr ?
22:55 Luke-Jr I can't imagine how the block size is at all related to governments, or why a government would aim to change it.
22:55 mircea_popescu you don't get a private island just because you want one. things have to do with each other, it's the way of the world.
22:55 mircea_popescu listen, arguing to ignorance is really bad engineering.
22:55 mircea_popescu i don't know why a whale would want to be 20 tons. so what of it.
22:55 Luke-Jr you think the block size issue is USG-inspired? what do they have to gain from it?
22:56 mircea_popescu this is too lengthy a discussion. bitcoin is perceived as a threat by pretty much every central bank, you know that much.
22:57 Luke-Jr sure - how does that cross over into the block size matter?
22:58 mircea_popescu there's many intertwined issues there. the outermost layer is, to establish whether an english speaking cia visitor is even in a position to push through a hardfork.
22:59 Luke-Jr by himself? then it's a simple "no" I hope
22:59 Luke-Jr any hardfork needs at least a supermajority of bitcoin users
23:00 mircea_popescu his rethoric was different a coupla months ago, and as far as anyone can tell hasn't actually caught up with your representation thereof.
23:00 mircea_popescu but i guess this is coming
23:03 decimation it seems to me that the enemies of bitcoin would love to think that they could 'update' the protocol as they desire
23:03 decimation like the ietf & http
23:05 mircea_popescu Luke-Jr: although I suppose that doesn't help if you want multiple people to sign them << the idea isn't to sign commits, but to sign reads. << see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824250 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888473 it's an older point this, about software accountability.
23:05 assbot Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
23:05 assbot Logged on 22-10-2014 18:53:07; mircea_popescu: it's one thing to trust this rnd function because asciilifeform and 25 others signed on reading it.
23:06 mircea_popescu decimation for sure, making it plain that bitcoin isn't a sort of http / pki / dns / ietf / whatever captive protocol in the courtyard of some us dependent or another is quite valuable. first and foremost for bitcoin.
23:06 mircea_popescu then for everyone using it.
23:11 mircea_popescu !up Father_MAXI
23:12 ben_vulpes tango is harrrrd
23:13 mircea_popescu only if you're dancing it.
23:13 mircea_popescu "Likewise, in the worst case if Bitcoin did overshoot to become centralized alt-coins and the market would again solve the problem."
23:14 mircea_popescu reading reddit is like drinking old cheese.
23:14 mircea_popescu and this is summaries.
23:14 ben_vulpes anyone getting spammed with CTCP messages from a mramberg?
23:15 mircea_popescu you can just drop ctcp you know.
23:16 ben_vulpes i guess i do now
23:16 mircea_popescu i am kinda shocked nobody is wanting to buy gavincoins from me for a fucking steep discount, incidentally.
23:17 mircea_popescu this is like ether all over again. "oh we have tons of support!!1" "how come nobody is trading ?" "it';s mystical support. woodcollector knows all about it. we'll send you a private video." etc.
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00045657 = 9.9989 BTC [-] {2}
23:21 mircea_popescu !s pierre_rochard
23:21 assbot 331 results for 'pierre_rochard' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pierre_rochard
23:22 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pierre_rochard errything fine up there ?
23:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:22 mircea_popescu this is a pretty lulzy snippet :
23:23 mircea_popescu "tldr: economically speaking, core dev team should not worry about increasing the block size limit until at the very least we see average transaction fees consistently above the 0.0001 btc 'minimum'. At that point we can revisit this debate. There are other questions about feasibility and politics that I'll leave out."
23:23 decimation re: woodcollector scam << the one I see in random us fishwrappers is 'fuel saving magnets' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_saving_device#Magnets
23:23 assbot Fuel saving device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Epdb0n )
23:23 mircea_popescu reddit : "You're only looking at the technical side of it. Leaving the 1 MB block size issue for later is risky due to political/social reasons. Every hard fork brings with it uncertainty and risks because it requires wide consensus to be carried out smoothly. As long as these risks hang over the Bitcoin economy, many companies will be hesitant to make long-term commitments to the Bitcoin economy. Afterall, a hard fork
23:23 mircea_popescu could lead to Bitcoin community splitting into two networks, or a hard fork could end up not happening due to community infighting. Both of these would be disastrous for the Bitcoin economy.
23:23 mircea_popescu The 1 MB block size limit needs to removed as soon as possible, and replaced with something that scales automatically, rather than through risky hard forks that require political consensus. It's 2015, Microsoft, one of the largest companies in the world, accepts Bitcoin, and the Bitcoin network can only handle 3 transactions per second, unless there is a hard fork. Getting rid of the 1 MB block size limit is long overd
23:23 mircea_popescu ue.
23:23 mircea_popescu With the limit in place, Bitcoin runs the risk of stagnating. When the limit is lifted, I predict we will see mass adoption."
23:24 mircea_popescu because a) we deeply care about the "i predicts" of propaganda agents ; b) "hurry up guise, if we don't do it while nobody's looking we won't be able to do it at all"
23:24 decimation lol yeah joe sixpack is not using bitcoin because of the block size limit
23:24 mircea_popescu what sort of rotten oats would an ass have to eat to imagine that something that couldn't be done later should be done now. it's the screaming declaration of "we don't represent anyone but wish to rule everyone"
23:25 mircea_popescu decimation the craftyness of it, tho. who is presented as the golden standard ? microsoft. because why ?
23:25 mircea_popescu because obviously.
23:26 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/ << this makes exquisite companion reading.
23:26 assbot The battlefield of the future pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpdAzY )
23:27 decimation the Legislative Assembly was more than happy to recognize Georges Danton as their leader after he marched in front of the 20,000 strong mob
23:28 mircea_popescu glwt.
23:28 mircea_popescu reddit mob is not worth the pixels it's printed on.
23:30 decimation well, one lesson is that Danton had an organization. it is odd that the supposed right-wing supporters of heirarchy are usually out-flanked by their enemies on their left when it comes to organizing the little people
23:33 mircea_popescu decimation i don't really see it the same way. when nanotube was disappeared earlier this month, gribble got replaced within something like a week. seems to me the organisation's fine.
23:33 mircea_popescu of course, the right doesn't generally create unruly mobs of idiots that spout nonsense. this, principally, because the right is not comfortable for idiots.
23:34 mircea_popescu how's this a problem anyway ? pre-bitcoin, pre-gpg, etc, i can see it. today ? who gives a shit ?
23:35 mircea_popescu similarly one could observe that the soviet union had very impressive victory day parades. sure. this, principally, because the soviet citizen had little better to do, either productively, for leisure or for his own safety.
23:35 mircea_popescu i'm not about to regret that reagan didn't make more us workers go to party indoctrination class.
23:37 decimation yeah that's a good point, the heirarchy is too busy running actual business - it doesn't have time to prance around and promise the moon to the sans-culottes
23:38 mircea_popescu everyone i know that's not dumb is busy doing shit. the people "discussing" on reddit are an entirely different brand. if tomorrow they were replaced with a frog infested pond, what'd happen ?
23:38 mircea_popescu would you even notice that same day ? that week ? ever ?
23:39 asciilifeform pond <<< brekekekex koax koax.
23:39 mircea_popescu "Do you have any anecdotal examples of crypto users on the side lines saying things like,
23:39 mircea_popescu Yes, I personally have lost enthusiasm for recruiting merchants, because I don't know what will happen once 1 MB block size limit is reached, "
23:39 mircea_popescu dude "lost enthusiasm". for what ? for "recruiting merchants". meanwhile... http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/
23:39 assbot Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yp9fMi )
23:40 mircea_popescu i suppose bitpay "embassy" is still deserted because whatever, people were insecure about what may happen if the bitpie in the sky is smaller than perceived.
23:42 mircea_popescu Luke-Jr Name a single Bitcoin expert who thinks 1 MB blocks will be sufficient forever? << 1mb blocks MAY be sufficient forever.
23:42 mircea_popescu the onus to show that they DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE is on you lot of "bitcoin experts"
23:43 decimation asciilifeform: maryland has a surplus of frogs & toads
23:44 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust mircea_popescu luceo
23:44 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user luceo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=luceo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=luceo | Rated since: Tue Jun 12 14:09:09 2012
23:44 asciilifeform decimation: wash., d.c. area specifically. swamp.
23:45 mircea_popescu this idiocy with "Assurance contracts" takes the cake.
23:45 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973605
23:45 assbot Logged on 11-01-2015 22:42:34; decimation: at any rate, this is a problem for actual miners to solve in the future, and they will likely despise any actions taken today on their behalf
23:45 mircea_popescu "hey listen, we have a perfect system that works in proved practice to reward miners. let's replace it with some libertard idiocy that a) provedly never worked in practice and b) for well understood theoretical reasons that we don't like so they don't really exist"
23:46 mircea_popescu assurance contracts. srsly. what's next, replace wallets with obamacare website ?
23:46 mircea_popescu will totally work. unless you know, for a few months when launched. and well... if you make a wallet that's not your walletr.
23:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00047253 = 14.1759 BTC [+]
23:48 decimation 10,000 unborn souls vote for hardfork
23:48 mircea_popescu heh
23:50 mircea_popescu if i wasn't so disinterested i'd have someone mine reddit to get a relative comparison of votes/words wasted on gavin's coin vs neobee
23:50 mircea_popescu the same sort of rabid idiocy seems to be wafting from both of them. half curious if the same "pr" company hired for both.
23:53 undata and libertarians claim to be goldbugs...
23:54 undata yet they want bitcoin to be the mastercard network
23:54 asciilifeform 'they' 'want'
23:54 mircea_popescu quite. no they, and nothing's being particularly wanted.
23:54 undata this guy, horde of upvoting minions, whoever
23:57 * undata is merely wondering why anyone would think "supah fast transactions" and not "immutable unit of value for all time" is the thing
23:57 mircea_popescu because that anyone has no money.
23:58 mod6 yeah, they're spenders, not savers.
23:58 asciilifeform this seems more like a question of who folks imagine themselves as, rather than what they are
23:59 asciilifeform i would dare to suggest that plenty of folks who haven't anything to save, for instance, like the proper bitcoin quite a bit
23:59 asciilifeform but others, with enormous incomes (denominated in, e.g., usd) - hate.
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