#trilema | 2015-01-19

human artfulness is all male, and has horror of cunt.

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because cunt fucking stains. especially corduroy.

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http://gizmodo.com/5146254/mousetrap-coffee-table-uses-its-victims-for-fuel

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Mousetrap Coffee Table Uses Its Victims For Fuel ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkGU4k )

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^ it.

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asciilifeform: http://www.withouthotair.com/cD/page_284.shtml "The power per unit area of bioethanol from corn is astonishingly low. Just for fun, let’s report the numbers first in archaic units. 1 acre produces 122 bushels of corn per year, which makes 122 × 2.6 US gallons of ethanol, which at 84 000 BTU per gallon means a power per unit area of just 0.02 W/m2E – and we haven’t taken into account any of the energy losses in

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Ch D Page 284: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkGV8j )

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processing!"

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i bet the smell is awful

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decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article 'the corn thing'

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the same guy who popularized ldpc codes wrote that book, which details the mathematical idiocy of 'renewables'

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it isn't much of a secret.

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it accomplished nothing politically, but it's a good sourcebook for rough calculations of this sort

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whoever was asking for wot db dumps http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/

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Index of /wot/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkIXFz )

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kakobrekla can include a 3rd file with signed sha hashes ?

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no.

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dumps are done nightly

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having key automatically sign the thing is meh

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hm.

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it guards at least against mitm and other issues.

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allows to verify it genuinely came from there.

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yeah so youll be able to point finger at innocent kako

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well yes.

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but im innocent.

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signed sha hashes << unless the server lives under kakobrekla's pillow, next to his kalash, this is inviting trouble

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but trouble of a particular sort

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as opposed to every kind and sort.

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it can be a special, delegated key for this purpose alone.

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re color revolutions : this bit of propaganda signed mark twain might be interesting https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/i2l/kls.html

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404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ccz8Al )

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They tell it all: how I am wiping a nation of friendless creatures out of existence by every form of murder, for my private pocket's sake. But they never say, although they know it, that I have labored in the cause of religion at the same time and all the time, and have sent missionaries there (of a "convenient stripe," as they phrase it), to teach them the error of their ways and bring them to Him who is all mercy and

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love, and who is the sleepless guardian and friend of all who suffer. They tell only what is against me, they will not tell what is in my favor.

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They tell how England required of me a Commission of Inquiry into Congo atrocities, and how, to quiet that meddling country, with its disagreeable Congo Reform Association, made up of earls and bishops and John Morleys and university grandees and other dudes, more interested in other people's business than their own, I appointed it. Did it stop their mouths? No, they merely pointed out that it was a commission composed

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wholly of my "Congo butchers," "the very men whose acts were to be inquired into."

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turns out the first gaddafi was actually the king of belgium

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and it further turns out that the method has been in use for well over 150 years.

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invented by u.s. abolitionists, afaik.

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~200.

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i guess that's where it traces properly huh.

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of course, before they sunk the south, they sunk the so called "tavern lobby"

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mr mold actually did some passable work on the subject. he ended by zipping the stratagem into a single sentence, 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it'

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the prohibition was not merely idiocy. it was a particular sort of vindictive idiocy, where the pencildicks got upset that politics was set by men, around beer

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aha.

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and so kept telling the women about how politics should "properly" be set by old men around pulpits.

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this, afaik, is immensely well documented.

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in a singular fit of stupidity, women went for it.

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perhaps aided by the very homosexual attitudes of teh men at the time.

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anyway, the 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it' observation is valid. i propose the solution is for the beast to threaten indefinitely.

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works, sorta, for north kr.

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for now.

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extract compensation under threat, make sure compensation > kicking. let the cycle wear itself out.

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it's actually how bismarck beat england into a pulp, and created the first germany.

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just requires a lot of patience.

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"they will resurrect and give new currency to such things as those, or to any other things that count against me, but they will not mention any act of mine that is in my favor. I have spent more money on art than any other monarch of my time, and they know it. Do they speak of it, do they tell about it? No, they do not. They prefer to work up what they call "ghastly statistics" into offensive kindergarten object lesson

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s, whose purpose is to make sentimental people shudder, and prejudice them against me. They remark that "if the innocent blood shed in the Congo State by King Leopold were put in buckets and the buckets placed side by side, the line would stretch 2,000 miles; if the skeletons of his ten millions of starved and butchered dead could rise up and march in single file, it would take them seven months and four days to pass a

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given point; if compacted together in a body, they would occupy more ground than St. Louis covers, World's Fair and all; if they should all clap their bony hands at once, the grisly crash would be heard a distance of --" Damnation, it makes me tired!"

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infographs ? ted talks ? yep, about as un-novel as dirt.

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http://i.imgur.com/21o3yku.jpg manually cranked .bait

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... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKQCf )

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http://map.ipviking.com purty colors

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Norse - IPViking Live ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKV8R )

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http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lndlf15tFq1qjw73oo1_500.jpg purdier b&w

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... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKZWk )

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it's a good thing the Congo is independent and thriving, now that it lacks the terrible yoke of Leopold

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definitely.

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congo has never done better.

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had the meddlesome leopold been still involved, how was england to push south africa to abandon rhodesia, with empty promises that once the man shots his own dog, the man won't be hanged himself.

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http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1713275,00.html < from moldbug's article

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Come Back, Colonialism, All Is Forgiven - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkLIqu )

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https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/557024272560824320

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a battle ram for every asseteer who rides into battle! http://t.co/hKgjR9UY87

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destroy it with fire

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it looks like a turd

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Well, they all kind of look like that.

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I mean their eyes even have turd shaped pupils

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00043962 = 20.7501 BTC [+]

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* asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els << i hold that "their" when used for a single entity is a crucifying offense

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http://www.ctv-egypt.com/2015/01/baghdadi-executes-56-isil-members-after.html

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Baghdadi Executes 56 ISIL Members after Their Defeat in Southern Erbil | Ctv Egypt News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkN7xh )

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lul nice ram

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taking a page out of comrade Joseph's playbook

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ben_vulpes it's common usage. majesty plural.

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http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/15/women-ranger-school-assessment/21708147/

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Female soldiers OKed for Ranger School in April ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNpEj )

01:19

http://emergingequity.org/2015/01/16/al-qaeda-in-india-why-we-should-pay-attention-oped/

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Al Qaeda In India: Why We Should Pay Attention – OpEd | EMerging Equity ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNrMh )

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"Even amid the morbid decay, it comes as a shock to hear Le Blanc mourn colonialism. The venal, racist scramble by Europeans to possess Africa"

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myeah, "the venal, racist scramble". right.

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"They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free." << there's a lot to this.

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once there's enough men in #b-a, we probably COULD take over a country.

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not clear anyone'd want to, or why.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-hatched-plan-to-make-demon-toy-to-counter-bin-laden-influence/2014/06/19/cb3d571c-f0d0-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html

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CIA hatched plan to make demon toy to counter Osama bin Laden’s influence - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNSqb )

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http://www.centcom.mil/en/news/articles/statement-from-u.s.-central-command-regarding-twitter-youtube-compromise

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U.S. Central Command | Statement from U.S. Central Command Regarding Twitter/YouTube Compromise ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkO2xC )

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ok this should be good.

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"TAMPA, Fla. - Earlier today, U.S. Central Command's Twitter and YouTube sites were compromised for approximately 30 minutes. These sites reside on commercial, non-Defense Department servers and both sites have been temporarily taken offline while we look into the incident further."

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one paragraph in, it becomes apparent that while the us central command has no idea of wtf is going on, nevertheless us central command is willing to lie.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00044982 = 6.6124 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00045076 = 23.5747 BTC [+] {3}

01:38

!up Vexual

01:40

mp, you were asking about what constitues 'the sticks' in oz. To my knowlegde it's anywhere with pathcy phone reception

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ic

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whereas 'back of beyond' means you wont see another soul for a week, and 'dingo bumfuck' means theres people, but they give off a wolf creek kinda vibe

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they're really all measures off the feel of a city

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71029 @ 0.00044368 = 31.5141 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.00043722 = 3.1134 BTC [-]

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http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt9f1ckXgW1qzpavwo1_500.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1yxrC3u )

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.12506349 = 7.879 BTC [-] {5}

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ic the freckles have already been fucked off those two

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they carry freckles inside.

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!up felipelalli

01:55

see on the site, MPEx Listing. see http://trilema.com/category/sqntr/ as well.

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Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxtqtx )

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bella illustration.

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!up Neil_

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7308 @ 0.00045343 = 3.3137 BTC [+]

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mircea_popescu: thank you. Is that possible to buy these shares on OTC or only in MPEx?

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to buy anything otc you need to find a party that'll sell.

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you may look into a broker for mpex, like coinbr.com

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27916 @ 0.00045475 = 12.6948 BTC [+]

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Thank you mircea_popescu. Any relation with https://www.coinbr.net/ ?

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CoinBr ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxv2Dz )

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nope.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7anAOhIEAAuncK.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1yxA035 )

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!up Vexual

02:28

hi

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blogs? ain't no body got time for that

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i'm saving up for an mpex acct

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i had kangaroo the other day, better than I expected

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really?

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"Unfortunately," I said, "at present the Hague Tribunal is not armed with the powers of an international assize court, nor is it qualified to place offenders, crowned or otherwise, in the dock. But don't you think that in the evolution of society the constitution of such a criminal court is a necessity?"

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"It would be a great convenience at present," said Mr. Harris; "nor would you need one atom of evidence beyond the report of the Commission to justify the hanging of whoever is responsible for the existence and continuance of such abominations."

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it's hard to do right

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early history of the nurnberg courts, too.

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Vexual: couple small steaks, tasted kinda like beef

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http://www.gofundme.com/kbr4a4 heartbreak hotel

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Help Us Recover From an Online Scam by Kay Lusk - GoFundMe ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxB0nW )

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https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/557037505162543105

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What if Linus Torvalds is just angry because he's had to use Linux for 20 years

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why should they recover ? "so we can give some other scammer money later on" ?

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thats interesting punkman

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i'd like to try souvlaki roo

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"InfoSec Taylor Swift" ? seriosuly ?

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is this more libertard "women in tech" ?

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it's satire

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but yeah dunno

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he might be a fan, they're everywhere

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oh, "it's satire" i see.

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"satire" is not here for these cancerous fags to hide behind.

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http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ >> repost re: swift on security

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Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1xn3v1J )

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some of these aren't bad

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" you belong on the internet of things because you're a tool"

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lol

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but still no

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" These online scammers extensively preyed on my trusting nature. I was mailed a "secure, verified" check for $2750 that I deposited into my account and was promptly tricked into sending almost all of this money to "the toy shop owner" so that he could ship the toys. "

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eh.

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cost me $5

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"Before all of this mess we were already financially struggling. To say that we were living paycheck-to-paycheck is an understatment. My boyfriend is currently underemployed and in school. I gave up 90% of the hours at my job in order to take this fake nanny job. I tried to explain all of this to the credit union but they were very callous with us saying that our priority needed to be on finding better paying jobs so

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that we could pay off this debt. "

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duh.,

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callous eh ?

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heh.

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banks should get fucking pillories.

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why bitcoin is better than a bank cheque

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that's what i'd like. for all retail establishments to get a pillory per 1mn yearly custom. then do some customer support in the form of, if you piss anyone off while on the premises, 10 minutes' flogging.

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and if you forget to thank the nice whipperperson for your lesson, 10 more.

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my grandmother got a phone call from 'a police sergeant' saying i was in county prison and needed to be bailed out before being inevitably deflowered

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". I asked if there were any resources to help us and they declined to mention even one. This was despite my protests that we currently do not even have enough money for rent and food.

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In an attempt to restore our faith in humanity"

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"humanity" owes them. because 'humanity' is daddy and daddy always paid whatever bottles they broke.

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she sent $2k via WU without even calling me.

02:41

wow spanish prisoner trick ?!

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that's like... 6 ? 12 ? centuries old.

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older for sure

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although the spanish prisoner scam bets on greed. bail prisoner out so you can get that nigerian gold.

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mats, did you call the cops yet?

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well at the time people tended to know if their grandkids were at the house or not

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money's gone n its not coming back

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wu usually has details

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yeah but any bum can run a WU "office"

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gran would have a name etc

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meh 2 gran lesson

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feining a kidnap is kinda harsh tho

02:51

"Sometimes... I look out the window and think... We're one cyberwar away from falling over. This can all be undone by a few lines of code. And maybe it will. Maybe then we will repent. For the arrogance that we could live so tall, with so little thought to what supports beneath."

02:54

http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/gentoo-hardening-part-3-using-checksec-2/

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Gentoo Hardening: Part 3: Using Checksec - InfoSec Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxFL0B )

02:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70550 @ 0.00044916 = 31.6882 BTC [-] {2}

03:02

http://beforeitsnews.com/markets/2015/01/bill-clinton-and-underage-sex-slaves-this-could-be-the-end-for-hillarys-presidential-run-in-2016-2477774.html

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Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxHoLI )

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interesting claims

03:04

!up Vexual

03:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00043716 = 14.9509 BTC [-] {2}

03:04

hahawut

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most of them are 17?

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bill clinton can actually get it up ?!

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lol

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hillary can

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"If it can be proven that Bill Clinton had sex with underage girls provided by Jeffrey Epstein, that could potentially destroy any chance that Hillary Clinton has of winning the presidency in 2016."

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this logic...

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lol

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shes definately over 17

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"sex slave" and "paid 15k'

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i dun think these people comprehend what slave means.

03:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00046021 = 37.6682 BTC [+] {3}

03:12

https://www.tmz.com/2015/01/12/monica-lewinsky-golden-globes-party-video-vote-hillary-clinton/

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in other news, mcafee is on the lamb again up ben10s way

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maybe he can take him in and learn sme c

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp-YPWnGmLg

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Naphex

!up vexual

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Naphex

morning o/

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00046895 = 17.7263 BTC [+] {4}

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http://i.imgur.com/xcuQVjY.png

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... ( http://bit.ly/1J0qOnA )

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booths at Bitcoin conferences

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.00046976 = 29.8532 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00047171 = 30.1894 BTC [+] {3}

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Naphex

!up Vexual

04:36

heyo

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh50c_duran-duran-girls-on-film-uncensore_music

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its a thing

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSD11dnphg0

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20989 @ 0.00047368 = 9.9421 BTC [+]

05:28

!up itkin

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itkin

davout: thx gros !

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!down itkin

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00046203 = 18.3657 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35043 @ 0.0004607 = 16.1443 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00045576 = 27.8469 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20910 @ 0.00047385 = 9.9082 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53550 @ 0.00047291 = 25.3243 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00047454 = 27.2861 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51653 @ 0.0004801 = 24.7986 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00048242 = 30.0548 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00048396 = 16.382 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15324 @ 0.00048544 = 7.4389 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3876 @ 0.00048104 = 1.8645 BTC [-]

08:07

[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 18000 @ 0.000205 = 3.69 BTC [+]

08:21

felipelalli: no coinbr.net is completely different company

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08:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38480 @ 0.00048402 = 18.6251 BTC [+]

08:41

One BR is broker, other BR is Brazil. Nothing in common.

08:48

Two blondes walk into a bar; one says to the other, "I slept with two Brazilian men last night." The other replies, "Wow! I've never even met that many people!"

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hah hah

08:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00048402 = 19.869 BTC [+]

09:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00048104 = 6.8067 BTC [-]

09:03

http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/

09:03

LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiQsCX )

09:03

;;later tell PeterL scoopbot seems constipated again

09:03

The operation succeeded.

09:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16577 @ 0.00048104 = 7.9742 BTC [-]

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09:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6744 @ 0.00048104 = 3.2441 BTC [-]

09:41

;;later tell Rozal New rating | Rozal > -10 > cazalla | SCAMMER - Stole 1 BTC from me, and is a known scammer on other nicks http://pastebin.com/ApyavW5T. DO NOT TRADE / DEAL. << pastebin is your signed OTP..

09:41

Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID ... ( http://bit.ly/15l2MHB )

09:41

The operation succeeded.

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http://pastebin.com/PABNbsex

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<Rozal> h <Rozal> hi <Rozal> i hate people who abuse the rating system <Rozal - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CGXr7N )

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lol

09:50

So this rating of cazalla seems to be the lamest extortion attempt ever.

09:51

!gettrust Rozal

09:51

Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Rozal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 5 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/Rozal | http://w.b-a.link/user/Rozal

09:51

chetty

lamest is getting like first/best/greatest

09:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00048454 = 6.7477 BTC [+] {2}

09:56

oo i get to try out the new rating system

09:56

log incoming

09:56

!ident Rozal

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;;ident Rozal

09:56

Nick 'Rozal', with hostmask 'Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo', is identified as user 'Rozal', with GPG key id 1C6C480917AD74D9, key fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz

09:59

!rate Rozal -2 contradicted himself http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A5GMizeN

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Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

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... ( http://bit.ly/15l8J7k )

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hm

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why u dont like -2 assbot ?

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imma fix

10:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42323 @ 0.00048595 = 20.5669 BTC [+] {2}

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7uHFWUIUAAgjZQ.jpg << fuck the certain price of goods

10:02

... ( http://bit.ly/15l9tcx )

10:06

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/bartiromo/2015/01/11/bartiromo-saudi-prince-alwaleed-oil-100-barrel/21484911/

10:06

http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html

Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( http://bit.ly/15laPE3 )

10:08

chetty

10:08

Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/15lbpSc )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00048827 = 18.8716 BTC [+] {2}

10:17

!up Rozal

10:18

;;unrate danielpbarron

10:18

Successfully removed your rating for danielpbarron.

10:18

lolk

10:18

sorry danielpbarron

10:18

'danielpbarron is in channel. regenerate hp twice as fast.'

10:21

;;rate Rozal -10 Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q

10:21

dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lg2f3 )

10:21

I forgive you Rozal, but if that was an attempt to get me to remove my rating, it was misguided

10:21

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Rozal has been recorded.

10:22

!rate Rozal -10 Appartently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q

10:22

Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

10:22

dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lgdXM )

10:22

;;rate -10 BingoBoingo Scammer who works with Cazalla

10:22

Error: 'BingoBoingo' is not a valid integer.

10:22

lol what alternate universe is this that assbot is enforcing a "postive rating only" policy

10:23

!rate -10 Rozal Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q

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-10 is not registered in WoT.

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dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lgdXM )

10:23

;;rate danielpbarron -10 Scammer that works with danielpbarron

10:23

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.

10:23

;;rate BingoBoingo -10 Scammer that works with danielpbarron

10:23

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

10:24

now we all love the trust system

10:24

is that all, Rozal?

10:24

that's it.

10:24

!down Rozal

10:25

nice paste, BingoBoingo

10:25

i need to step up my game

10:26

danielpbarron: This is serious business. If you make and sign allegations you need to support them.

10:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67074 @ 0.00048878 = 32.7844 BTC [+] {2}

10:26

!up Rozal

10:26

drama mondays

10:26

;;unrate danielpbarron

10:26

Successfully removed your rating for danielpbarron.

10:26

;;unrate BingoBoingo

10:26

Successfully removed your rating for BingoBoingo.

10:27

;;unrate cazalla

10:27

Successfully removed your rating for cazalla.

10:27

poor log readers...

10:27

Rozal: My rating of you isn't disappearing. You made serious allegations over what seems to be a mutual dislike of each other.

10:27

I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings

↖ ↖ ↖ ↖ ↖

10:28

BingoBoingo: it's okay, it's my fault

10:28

I should just grow up

10:28

Rozal: I am fine with you rating me -10 because you dislike me, but your serious falsification... my rating of you will endure.

10:28

Rozal: time to get a new wot identity I guess :-)

10:28

so be it

10:29

I won't return anyones negatives

10:29

*

teward raises an eyebrow and looks at Rozal

10:30

teward: I was mad that 'cazalla' ruined my ratings because he didn't like my jokes

10:30

despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted

10:31

*

teward yawns

10:31

teward

Rozal: looking at the ratings log made me think "What the...?"

10:31

teward

hence my raising the eyebrow :)

10:32

teward

in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits

10:34

Campus coffee prices are some of the worst. Desperate population and limited vendors.

10:35

use a staff break room.

10:35

i musta consumed tens of thousands of dollars in beans and k-cups doing that.

10:35

^ That was one perk of grad school. Access to break rooms.

10:36

!up mircea_popescu

10:36

why ty

10:36

can someone explain this rozal dram to me in a tl:dr fashion it interests me

10:36

heh

10:37

trying to read buffer but the topic interests me

10:37

rithm: It's in this paste http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q

10:37

dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/1ABPEFz )

10:37

i guess someone squatted cazalla's nick?

10:37

;;ratingsystem getrating rozal

10:37

Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo . User Rozal, rated since Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013. Cumulative rating 45, from 44 total ratings. Received ratings: 41 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 43 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal

10:37

rithm: He got into a neg rating war with cazalla and fabricated theft allegations.

10:38

wow

10:38

!rate -2 assbot test

10:38

-2 is not registered in WoT.

10:38

but... why ?!

10:38

!rate assbot -2 test

10:38

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3c714a5f55f151ab

10:38

thar

10:38

cazalla doesnt play well with others

10:38

fwiw i've had issues with starbucks gift cards with this user i suspected fraud

10:38

that's why i notice

10:39

it was cleared up

10:39

starbuks gift cards ?!

10:39

heavily discounted

10:39

you know what they say about things being too good to be true right

10:40

rithm likes his iced skinny mocha lattes

10:40

it kinda blew my mind. probably for no good reason, objectively.

10:40

no not i the female counterpart

10:40

!rate Rozal -10 Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q admits fabrication http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318

10:40

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9108da815414d5d4

10:40

dpaste: 2E94Q1Q ... ( http://bit.ly/15lmumo )

10:40

Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings

10:40

love the starbucks

10:40

just... coffee is this triviality, of no financial consequence. however, inviting oine for coffee is either sexual or whatever.

10:41

so much facepalm

10:41

so giving someone a coffee gift card is like... "go fuck yourself" ? ie, let's have a cup of coffee but without me there ?

10:41

coffe to me is trivial

10:41

coffee to others is some type of retarded status symbol

10:41

and then you paid for that ?!?!?!

10:41

but obv none of this has much if at all to do with you or teh starbux

10:42

starbucks is popular enough to have become a perfect money laundering system with their gift codes

10:42

i live under a rock on the internet

10:42

plz be kind.

10:43

Basically coffee gift cards are a sort of tide USD

10:43

but a bucket of tide is like 60 bux neh ?

10:43

idk where i can buy tide 50% off

10:44

starbucks cards are irreversible paypal

10:44

mod6

4.43L Tide = 17.09 USD

10:46

mod6

lol, 17.09 with coupon, $17.99 retail price @ target

10:47

that's not bad.

10:48

;;google how many cups of starbucks coffee in one gallon of tide

10:48

Folgers Mild Breakfast Blend Ground Coffee, 29.2 oz - Walmart.com: <http://www.walmart.com/ip/Folgers-Mild-Breakfast-Blend-Ground-Coffee-29.2-oz/11964636>; The Savvy Lady -: <http://thesavvylady.com/>; Travel Supplies for Europe: Small Stuff Packing List. - Enjoy-Europe: <http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap06/travelsupplies.htm>

10:48

oic

10:51

http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/temp/2014-08-03-bitcoin-alley-color-x640.png << this been seen yet?

10:52

know its a bit old lol

10:52

what did the victim say to the rapist ?

10:52

Dum licet, in rebus jucundis vive beatus. Vive memor quam sis aevi brevis.

10:57

prolly Conington's got the best version. "Then take, good sir, your pleasure while you may. With life so short 'twere wrong to lose a day."

10:58

much better than google translate

10:58

https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Dum%20licet%2C%20in%20rebus%20jucundis%20vive%20beatus.%20Vive%20memor%20quam%20sis%20aevi%20brevis. << yea

10:58

"While it may, in the case of the delights of live happy. Live mindful of how brief your time."

10:59

"all your delights are belong to the mindful brief time"

10:59

that's a little more ominous :)

10:59

but works, yes. "have fun for what it's worth, mister. your time is short."

10:59

"Cause I'ma cut your dick off in your sleep."

11:00

i wonder why all these derps ranting on and on about "empathy" never manage to produce one. imagine a victim like that.

11:00

empathy is the fundament of all literature, for the reason that it's the fundament of all humanity. but empty palaver doth not an empathy make.

11:00

social justice warriors are not very empathetic to begin with.

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quite not.

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i think they are self serving "goodness".

11:01

whole pile o' ought. exactly the opposite of empathy.

11:01

the kind of "more righteous than thou" crowd, but dressed up as hippies.

11:01

chiefly, the substance of boring.

11:01

myeah, we see the same one beast.

11:02

as you said on trilema, "It's going the way of the sitcom"

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or something like that

11:06

!up bertani

11:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26825 @ 0.00049148 = 13.184 BTC [+] {2}

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but since we're doing horatius,

11:08

"Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida."

11:08

true men aren't swayed by redditarded frenzy, nor by soviet pretense to power.

11:09

fluffypony who made teh cartoon ?

11:10

!s stolfi

11:10

3 results for 'stolfi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stolfi

11:10

mircea_popescu: no clue

11:11

In late 2013 Jorge took an active interest in the economics of cryptocurrencies. He became extremely skeptical about its underlying soundness and chances of success, and has been advising the Brazilian public against investment in bitcoin.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Stolfi

11:11

Jorge Stolfi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2eGlN )

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jorge stolfi is a well hidden dude

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or not

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XD

11:11

!rate Rozal -10 http://danielpbarron.com/Rozal.asc.txt

11:11

Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9. This may take a few moments.

11:11

Key 9D961AC9 / "Daniel P. Barron (danielpbarron)" successfully imported.

11:11

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/07fa06bebb8415a5

11:11

... ( http://bit.ly/1J2eNxJ )

11:12

BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/ << lmao epic scoop.

11:12

LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2f4Rr )

11:13

>especially since storing user data as plaintext indicates that the group likely made further and still graver lapses in technological and operational security.

11:13

nah

11:13

thats intentional

11:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57449 @ 0.00048811 = 28.0414 BTC [-]

11:14

chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html << wow.

11:14

Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd58nJ )

11:14

'had problems.'

11:15

definitely.

11:16

"Everything indicates it was a suicide," Secretary of National Security Sergio Berni told local television. "We have to see if gunpowder is found on his hands."

11:16

so... "nothing indicates it was a suicide, but we'll lie about it."

11:16

at least he didn't fellate a nailgun. or sew himself into a sack afterwards.

11:17

i mean... the circumstances are such that he'd have been killed, and dunno yet if powder residue. literlaly nothing indicates a suicide.

11:17

asciilifeform suicide with a .22 ?

11:17

gimme a break.

11:17

mircea_popescu: lol

11:17

!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Rozal.-10:43ae443061902db3b67328f3d62f0487148cc47aaa53abcf854c7696be4ca674

11:17

Successfully added a rating of -10 for Rozal with note: http://danielpbarron.com/Rozal.asc.txt

11:17

"He was alone in the apartment," prosecutor Viviana Fein told reporters. "There are no witnesses." << probably the best reason to keep a harem ever.

11:17

'harem also suicided'

11:17

orly.

11:17

from grief.

11:17

lol

11:18

good story brah.

11:18

the pregnant 16yo also ?

11:18

"sure. prepostpartum."

11:18

"and pms"

11:18

'if ya don't believe this lie is true, ask the blind man, he saw it too'

11:19

Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional".

11:19

lol

11:19

unconstitutional accusiations. capitanich sounds more like ximenez each day.

11:19

the jackie childs school of rhetorics

11:20

and all this over oil, which is now cheap.

11:24

<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/ << lmao epic scoop. << It's the one I've been waiting for. Anticipated the thing only meriting an epitaph.

11:24

LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd5Tgy )

11:27

Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings << wut the fuck going on there ?!

11:27

Rozal: despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted << is this klye ?

11:28

kakobrekla: so are assbot and -otc's wots completely forked or is there some sort of sync?

11:28

teward: in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits << job board's this way http://trilema.com/category/job-board/

11:28

Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd677x )

11:28

no sync atm

11:28

davout tryin' to work out a sync paradigm with nanotube

11:28

okidoki

11:29

mircea_popescu: also i read a bit more about merged mining yesteday and today, especially how merge-mining namecoin came to be

11:29

in any case imported ratings in either wot would be marked as such

11:29

which makes sense

11:29

so re the merge-mining it looks like namecoin had to be hard-forked to support it

11:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00047861 = 30.6789 BTC [-] {3}

11:30

so i don't really see how it'd be possible to merge mine two bitcoin forks

11:30

what'd be the difficulty ?

11:31

mircea_popescu: Best I can tell it's a nobody. But they had a bunch of perfect ratings from tiny trades.

11:31

bertani

davout: I don't get your point, why shouldn't it?

11:32

mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. "

11:33

<davout> mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. " << Basically this is my understanding. Both Bitcoin's would insist on being the "Parent" unl

11:33

ess gavincoin is also hardforking to allow AuxPOW

11:33

bertani: because if you need one of the chains to be somehow aware of the merge mining you'd need a second hardfork after the first block size related hardfork

11:33

BingoBoingo at the point prior to forking, the only difference between the two is version.

11:33

well, maybe if we sell it to reddit as an opportunity to increase adoption ...

11:33

putting out blocks with both versions isn't actually putting out different blocks is it ?

11:34

Well, it is once the chains require different blocks because they've forked...

11:34

the version is part of the header, so the solution for one header doesn't work for the other

11:34

i guess this "merge mining' business needs moar looking into.

11:35

bitcoin merged mined with bitcoin is bad idea.

11:35

i don't think the way you propose to use merge mining actually works

11:35

or i mean, is actually feasible

11:36

hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is.

11:37

i had thought different chains had to be forked to mm because of their different origin. but that's not what happens in merged mining at all.

11:37

what happens is that a hash of a block of the lower chain is inserted in bitcoin blocks, and then the lower chain accepts this as "just as good" proof.

11:37

better ways to ruin scamcoins than merge-mine them doth not exist huh.

11:38

Basically Bitch chain depends on the Master chain.

11:38

anyway, that spec'll hafta be revised, but needs more thinking.

11:38

BingoBoingo yup. my cluelessness about alts is showing huh.

11:38

mircea_popescu: Well, that's what the channel's for.

11:39

!b 2

11:39

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TCKRR8.txt )

11:40

hey thats insulting

11:42

check out dooglus (who isn't a gavin-approved economist, in spite of being exactly as certified&educated in the topic as the random idiots a la Oleg Andreev et all) explaining economics :

11:42

At any given time there is a certain amount of demand for a Bitcoin like currency to make transactions. That need doesnt increase with more competition. That means that the transactional demand for Bitcoin is really the same as the transactional demand for all substantially similar forms of payment. As more currencies are competing to fill the same demand they actually reduce the demand for the other currencies as t

11:42

hey become more widely used.

11:42

This means that ultimately, to the extent that currencies are interchangeable to end users, merged mining does not increase the overall security of the networks. The demand for currencies drives the price (and thus the value of the reward). Increased demand for any given currency results in decreased demand for others, lowering the incentive to mine for the other currencies. The total incentive is a function of total d

11:42

emand for all Bitcoin like currencies.

11:42

Except now competing currencies can market themselves as as secure as Bitcoin but with lower transaction fees. In other words there is a race to the bottom among competing currencies to offer the lowest transaction fees, because lowering the transaction fee doesnt hurt the security of the network in comparison to the other merged mining networks. Users, following their own self interest, will adopt the currenc

11:42

so, if i understand correctly, the way this thing works is that it attracts moar miners through the bonus mechanism, which in turn contributes to killing-off gavincoin amirite

11:42

y with the lowest transaction fees as long as it has the same security of the competitors.

11:42

This will increase the price of the currency with the lowest transaction fee (because demand for the currency is higher), and decrease the price of the currencies with higher transactions fees (because demand for those currencies is dropping as it is being filled by demand for the competing currency). Because the currencies with the higher transaction fees were the ones generating the incentive to mine, overall incenti

11:42

ve to mine will diminish. As long as a currencys mining is merged with the freeloading currency, it will be powerless to increase incentives by imposing mandatory transaction fees.

11:43

The result will be a decrease in mining incentive, a decrease in mining, and ultimately all networks that allow merged mining will become insecure.

11:43

edited Apr 6 '12 at 4:35 Chris Moore

11:43

davout was the original design.

11:43

a .22 can be quite deadly

11:43

just ... don't shoot the guy in the forehead. put it in an eye.

11:43

the round'll tumble once it gets in there.

11:43

mats and water can be quite healthy. doesn't make it the cure for life threatening conditions does it ?

11:44

i mean, if you're going to do it, why risk you just lose an eye ? survivors even after a 12 gauge shot exist.

11:46

well speaking of risk, why not a hand grenade in mouth.

11:46

because most people can't get frags.

11:46

also plenty of people are vain and want open casket funerals

11:47

(frag will leave visible kidneys)(

11:47

*

kakobrekla had a frag at home as a kid

11:47

well... somaliland

11:48

!up STRML_

11:48

euroafrica

11:49

davout it IS perhaps possible to create some sort of equivalency tables so that "Hi this is Bitcoinblock 1 with nonce 1456546456456456" and "Hi this is Gavincoin with nonce 3489759348759834" hash-collide.

11:49

then mine both blocks as the same hash.

11:50

folklore claims that the round is uniquely deadly because it loses penetrating power after passing through bone the first time, and then just bounces around blending the brain matter until it exits the skull

11:50

Rozal | I won't return anyones negatives << Turns out, not so much. On gribble's side of the wot anyway.

11:50

^and this kind of sucks.

11:50

whereas with a higher calibre it might just go straight through.

11:50

mats i heard that theory more about the .38 as a better suicide weapon than the .45

11:51

i never heard anyone seriously propose bb guns for the job

11:51

if you really want that effect, fill a hunting weapon with quailshot and have at it.

11:51

mircea_popescu: what would be in that table?

11:52

davout i dunno, i'm no rainbow expert

11:52

"it is easy if you know what you're doing".

11:53

STRML

Thanks

11:54

sure. who're you ?

11:55

!up STRML

11:56

STRML

Appreciated. voicing here is a bit strange

11:56

2**32

11:56

;;calc 2**32

11:56

4294967296

11:57

so each ~4.3 Gh the nonce overflows. hm.

11:57

really the nonce should have been 64bit.

11:58

i guess satoshi not only ran a windows machine with c, but it was a 32bit thing

11:58

mircea_popescu: for the first >1mb block you will necessarily have a different merkle root, so you can't possibly have the same block hash at any point afterwards

11:58

davout yeh i am surrendered, merging doesn't work like i thought it would.

12:00

davout http://trilema.com/2015/rfc-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/ there you go, degraded to rfc.

12:00

[RFC] The Gavin Assassinsen Memorial Mining Pool Implementation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrL3uu )

12:02

if you remove 1. then mining gavincoin blocks can be removed from the rfc as well

12:03

the principal utility of this thing is to guarantee the general public the ability to split its coins on the two chains

12:04

so if i understand correctly, the main characteristic you want for this pool, is that it prioritizes double-spends of already-confirmed gavincoins when picking which txes to put in its blocks

12:05

s/gavincoins/gavincoin txes/

12:05

something like that

12:05

actually you're right huh, it doesn't need to be trustless and that "send to pool" step is gunk.

12:06

it *could* just look for dblspent txs that made it on gavinchain and prioritize them

12:06

yep

12:06

course, this is not actually needed either. miners already do that, in that they look for high tx fee txn

12:06

maybe this entire pool thing actually just needs to be a website to generate raw tx for people to put in bitcoind

12:07

like a graphics aid.

12:07

also, i think that if what you want to achieve is a bitcoin separator, the easiest way is simply to acquire a satoshi from eligius and use it on the input side of a transaction

12:08

im not happy with waiting the 200 blocks for the scamcoins to mature.

12:08

that sort of latency means you'll be a late comer to the "sell it into the dirt" party.

12:08

since eligius pays directly from the coinbase you're guaranteed to receive a payout that's spendable on one chain but not on the other

12:08

but also guaranteed to receive it too late.

12:08

http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2sw3is/part_3_wupdates_tifu_by_reading_my_wifes_text/

12:09

;;rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment

12:09

... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM2Lb )

12:09

Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings

12:09

... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM45U )

12:09

Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Rozal has changed from -10 to -10.

12:09

yeah, if you can't wait 120 blocks to separate coins you'll have to convince a pool to mine a crosschain double spend

12:09

!rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment

12:09

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f9de3c72f76f614e

12:09

... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM6KW )

12:09

Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings

12:09

... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM5qv )

12:10

poor guy will end up with a -200 global rating

12:10

!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.Rozal.-10:e8cff8dc4301540ac33879fdae27da2f82b391e7da5b599ef4df0db73c2eab22

12:10

Successfully updated the rating for Rozal from -10 to -10 with note: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment

12:10

if he's lucky it'll overflow back to some positive rating :D

12:11

depends on how big total rating maxint is

12:13

it goes up to 11

12:13

If he wants to debate this he can do it in a public channel. Given he has fabricated allegations before I want to make it unambiguously clear that I will not engage him privately.

12:13

Too high risk.

12:13

BingoBoingo: what's the risk? some derp negrating you?

12:14

davout: Some Derp fabricating a scam and negrating me.

12:14

He's already negrated me. Nothing to lose there.

12:16

This time he was caught in his lie because he was sloppy. The next time he does it he probably won't be so sloppy.

12:21

BingoBoingo: better or worse than flappy plane?

12:22

thestringpuller: He never PM'd me. worse than flappy plane though http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment

12:22

... ( http://bit.ly/1zrNY6j )

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*

BingoBoingo thinks this could have been a perfect use of deedbot

12:23

For the much stronger timestamping

12:23

BingoBoingo, you are setting a v.nice standard for this sort of situation

12:23

danielpbarron: I've always had this standard ready. There was jsut never a situation for it.

12:24

BingoBoingo: you can already timestamp some stuff and get deedbot to accept it later as previously timestamped, that is, if the bundle structure is already defined

12:24

davout: could you elaborate further?

12:24

davout: But why should we remain barbarians defining time as UTC when we can define it in terms of Block height?

12:25

good morning, jihadis

12:25

may allah's 40 cunts be upon you, ben

12:25

without reading any scrollback i agree with BB

12:25

davout how'd thatwork ?

12:25

only 40?!

12:25

scam

12:25

ben_vulpes: Oh, but such good drama this morning

12:25

you can just sha256 your content, make an address out of that, send a bitcent there, and since that's how deedbot is supposed to work, you get your stuff deedbot-timestamped before deedbot even exists

12:26

But part of the deedbot appeal is also hosting the deeds as a stronger pastebin/dpaste alternative.

12:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049167 = 4.72 BTC [+]

12:27

davout sure. so ?

12:27

BingoBoingo: sure, but if your timestamping respects deedbot's spec just get it included along

12:27

it won't show up on its website, but supposedly you dun care

12:28

well no

12:28

!up bitstein

12:28

what matters is the way it works, not the specific implementation that actually works the way it is specified, just my 2 bitcents anyway

12:29

people should be able to sign independently of the notary, and should be able to mock its formality, sure.

12:30

the notary doesn't sign does it?

12:30

nop

12:31

the way i saw it was that it'd just be a manually-made lord-signed deed, rather than one compiled by an IRC bot

12:31

right

12:31

unwitnessed, as it were.

12:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37205 @ 0.00047812 = 17.7885 BTC [-] {2}

12:32

davout sounds right, deedbot can verify a payment was made to that address and hence include it retrospectively

12:32

no.

12:32

well, blockchain is the witness here, or am i missing sthg?

12:32

yes, you are.

12:32

if you come hither with a signed statement saying "the coin will fall tails" i won't particularly care

12:32

because for all i know you signed a "coin will fall heads" statement too and aren't sharing that one.

12:33

aha, I get it

12:33

the notary keeps a list of all the items it was sent a certain way.

12:33

you're free to sign whatever matter a similar way, but it won't be thus notarized. it will just be your own mock-up of the process.

12:33

which is fine, but as far as i see toothless.

12:33

well, in that case it doesn't really make sense to me that the notary doesn't GPG-sign

12:33

the content has to be made public and witnessed by others at the time it's timestamped

12:34

it does make sense. because the trust does not derive from a robotic application of a gpg seal.

12:34

anyway, i got a meeting, we'll have to continue this debte in a few hours.

12:34

more from the fact that folks you trust are looking at deeds being timestamped

12:35

amirite

12:36

also there was another thing regarding deedbot, if all deeds are simply concatenated before being hashed into a bitcoin private key, that means anyone watching the process taking place can deduce the bitcoin private key that's going to be generated, and claim the coins that'll be sent there

12:36

that's a feature, davout

12:37

!up Zarathul

12:37

ben_vulpes: you might just as well spend that back to deedbot's wallet by broadcasting a second transaction at the same time

12:49

davout: talk to the specwriter, but i believe the thing acts as a btc spigot so as to incentivize auditing of its behavior.

12:53

whos getting out of bed for 0.0001btc?

12:55

mats: lol, a bot

12:56

not that i see this as a design flaw or somesuch, jsut

12:57

just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec

12:57

0.001 btc is a pizza today, and a nuke sub in five decades

12:58

(or two centuries. pick your timeframe).

12:58

if there's actually one deed bundle per hour that'll amount to

12:58

;;calc 0.0001*24*365

12:58

0.876

12:58

hah

12:58

davout: that occurred to me as well

12:58

not bad for running a bot

12:58

;;calc .001*[ticker --last]

12:58

0.21289

12:59

I was also wondering whether one might want to salt the generated private key somehow so it's harder to guess

12:59

hardly a pizza

12:59

mats: you need an extra 0

12:59

undata: yep, my thought too

12:59

but if it's really like 1btc/year worst case you might as well consider it as burned

13:00

undata, ? the purpose is that everyone can hash the bundle and verify the address indeed matches

13:00

Apocalyptic: yeah, that ruins that without later revealing the salt

13:00

Apocalyptic: the idea is to reveal the salt, but only after the bitcoin has been claimed back from the bundle-related addy, not keep it secret forever

13:00

mats: "pizza", "chump change" you pedantic nerd

13:00

the two transations thing seems fine

13:01

davout, claimed back by whom ?

13:01

mats: 1000 btc used to also be hardly a pizza

13:01

Apocalyptic: by deedbot

13:01

davout: you could just wait to upload after the second transaction confirms

13:01

afaik ben_vulpes is correct, it's a feature that icentivies 3rd parties to verify

13:01

so you would not want deedbot to take it back

13:01

^ that sounds like something good

13:01

mats: do you not get the pizza reference?

13:02

Apocalyptic: ah

13:02

if someone pops in here one day and says "o i can't pick up deedbot's crumbs anymore" you have a problem somewhere

13:02

i got it

13:05

<mats> [] http://beforeitsnews.com/markets/2015/01/bill-clinton-and-underage-sex-slaves-this-could-be-the-end-for-hillarys-presidential-run-in-2016-2477774.html << since when did "whore" get replaced with "sex slave"?

13:05

Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/17YWmP6 )

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women don't have agency, man

13:06

don't you know anything

13:09

<chetty> [] http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html << scawwy

13:09

Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/17YWONw )

13:17

<mircea_popescu> [] hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is. << welcome to my club of ignorance

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13:42

!up Zarathul

13:42

<davout> just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec << so people can have fun.

13:44

ben_vulpes you don't understand, she was almost under 18 at the time and she didn't agree to switch positions!

13:44

RAPE CULTURE

13:45

lol@fuckyou.biz sez "this article is fucking stupid and i hope it was written as a joke to piss off nerds"

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*

ben_vulpes can't cope with the constantly moving targets

13:45

apparently fuckyou is now a biznis

13:58

"the right for people to freely trade with each other without anybody interfering with the transaction"

14:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00048359 = 8.0276 BTC [+]

14:04

magit file notify doesn't work on os x.

14:05

when i'm rich and can read and fuck and code on whatever pleases me all day i'm going to write MY OWN OS

14:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00047296 = 14.2124 BTC [-]

14:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20999 @ 0.00048359 = 10.1549 BTC [+]

14:17

http://nypost.com/2015/01/13/principal-wants-to-stockpile-canned-foods-as-weapons-against-intruders/

14:17

Principal wants to stockpile canned foods — as weapons against intruders | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWuSVK )

14:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75750 @ 0.00047292 = 35.8237 BTC [-] {2}

14:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00047284 = 11.7264 BTC [-]

14:34

ben_vulpes so like stan ?

14:37

http://qntra.net/2015/01/spammer-escalates-to-murder/

14:38

Spammer Escalates to Murder | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWCck7 )

14:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94700 @ 0.00049188 = 46.581 BTC [+] {3}

14:43

yeah, mebbe he gets to it first. he'd certainly do a better job.

14:44

ben_vulpes would prolly rather prototype some chips at 1 meter process size.

14:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49516 @ 0.0004939 = 24.456 BTC [+] {2}

14:49

Fabricating diodes in the shop.

14:54

BingoBoingo: lol you know me so well

14:56

ben_vulpes creator of artisan chips at scale.

14:56

!up cazalla

14:57

cazalla

if it wasn't already clear, i didn't steal/recieve/transact with that Rozal guy

14:58

It's clear. He admitted to fabricating the allegation.

14:58

;;getrating Rozas

14:58

Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

14:58

fuck you gribble, when i say getrating, i mean getrating

14:59

;;getrating Rozal

14:59

Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

14:59

;;getrating Rozas --no-seriously

14:59

Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

14:59

;;ident Rozas

14:59

Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

14:59

;;gpg info Rozas

14:59

No such user registered.

15:00

Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out?

15:00

urgh fuck me

15:00

;;gpg info Rozal

15:00

User 'Rozal', with keyid 1C6C480917AD74D9, fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz, registered on Thu Jan 17 08:51:26 2013, last authed on Mon Jan 19 09:36:57 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Rozal . Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo .

15:00

;;rated Rozal

15:00

You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.

15:00

BingoBoingo: t

15:00

ty

15:00

That last letter is the hardest

15:01

kek

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15:27

<TomServo> Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out? << why would it be ?

15:29

I've just assumed until it sorts out that rating twice is generally the best practice for most ratings

15:29

mircea_popescu: Things seemed to be getting messy with the drama earlier. Having to rate in two places.

15:30

well obv that's optional. as the wot decentralizes, one can be part of as many / all of them.

15:30

that they talk to each other is a convenience, and i guess best practice, but not really a necessity.

15:31

actually i guess it depends on teh wisdom / celerity of teh admins currently involved if the future will hold it as best practice or just you know, that thing that might have been useful but never took off.

15:33

Sure. I for example entered the Rozal rating on both WoTs because the information is immidiately useful to both #bitcoin-assets as lulz material and #bitcoin-otc as a leper's bell around the person's neck.

15:34

makes sense

15:34

basically ba wot is lulz is what you are saying

15:35

kakobrekla: In this case. DOn't see the dude around here, so I only know him noa for the laffs

15:35

not just lulz, Rozal can still voice himself in here

15:36

correction, useless lulz!

15:37

kakobrekla ima send you alum cakes!

15:37

Well, if he does Rozal can try to argue why his slander is good like kakobrekla's slander even though kakobrekla's slander is right and Rozal's slander is lies.

15:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15566 @ 0.00047284 = 7.3602 BTC [-]

15:39

!rated kakobrekla

15:39

You rated user kakobrekla on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: runs several solid btc enterprises (bit4x,bitbet,panacea,...);we met IRL.

15:40

!rate kakobrekla NaN at loss of words

15:40

Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

15:40

!rate kakobrekla -0.0 at loss of words

15:40

Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

15:40

!rate kakobrekla 4.00001 at loss of words

15:40

Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

15:41

okay

15:41

we been through this yest

15:43

i'm still in yest with the log

15:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00047039 = 31.0457 BTC [-] {2}

15:52

and why assbot isn't replying with these incredibly useful fortune quips?

15:52

"Invalid verfication(sic) string" is so ... 70s

15:52

^

15:53

kakobrekla add more slovenian to assbot!

15:54

because its harder to debug

15:55

i thought slovenian ate bug.

15:55

not if worm is found.

15:55

!b 7

15:55

Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DYSV1P.txt )

15:56

What about doormouse?

15:57

those are out of session.

15:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00046935 = 29.9211 BTC [-] {2}

16:00

Ah, I need to engineer sessionless doormouse sometime.

16:01

sessionless is either door or mouse

16:01

can't match them unless session

16:01

and they are great to make ushanka from

16:02

i thought ushanka is made out of policewoman snatch.

16:02

not here

16:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00047081 = 8.2156 BTC [+]

16:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23779 @ 0.00047081 = 11.1954 BTC [+]

16:11

here it's done from roof hares

16:11

!up nubbins`

16:12

dja know how to voice nubs ?

16:16

hi

16:16

nothin to say ;D

16:16

http://i.imgur.com/el8ljYZ.jpg

16:16

... ( http://bit.ly/15ndnli )

16:17

^ from a "master wood carver" on the forums who "hand carves" his designs

16:17

note how the surface design is impossibly beautiful, indicating an inhumanly skilled craftsman, yet the shape of the BTC logo looks as if it was molded in play-doh by a 12yo

16:19

here's another hilariously mismatched one: https://i.imgur.com/HILYArv.jpg

16:19

... ( http://bit.ly/15neaCH )

16:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.0004722 = 8.4996 BTC [+] {2}

16:32

handcarved by laser

16:32

aren't we 3D printing wood yet?

16:33

so thats how you destroy good piece of wood

16:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59973 @ 0.00046857 = 28.1015 BTC [-] {2}

16:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00048584 = 6.9961 BTC [+]

16:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62076 @ 0.00048992 = 30.4123 BTC [+] {2}

16:47

well, as i read the asswot discussion, let it be noted btc-dev mailing list will eventually need timely updates of wot database, too

16:47

also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally

16:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00050254 = 26.0316 BTC [+]

17:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00048602 = 24.8356 BTC [-] {2}

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17:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00050324 = 17.9153 BTC [+] {3}

17:25

;;seen

17:25

(seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.

17:26

;;seen nubbins`

17:26

nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 7 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <nubbins`> here's another hilariously mismatched one: https://i.imgur.com/HILYArv.jpg

17:26

nubbins`: I have moar werk for pink eye prints

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17:42

!shasum wot

17:42

sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 1e3819c7288865d34fc73ed636fe4880ee2275ed0d85772dc2c67839a2ed47cc

17:42

sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 63fcbe8ada533bae462972e08b0a8388a924036517f3e1912415d82eba65e814

17:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00050336 = 19.8576 BTC [+]

17:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049866 = 13.4638 BTC [-]

17:59

oh hey that's neat kakobrekla

17:59

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:03

!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro

18:03

Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.

18:03

Key 01713428 / "Paymium Support <support@paymium.com>" successfully imported.

18:03

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0dfa4210ab9a2da2

18:03

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:04

oh noes, it took the wrong primary id

18:04

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:07

!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro

18:07

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1643ea22c0658764

18:07

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:07

wait whut

18:07

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:07

kakobrekla: can you force a reimport of my key?

18:07

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:07

lol

18:08

wtf is with assbot

18:08

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:08

shut up

18:08

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:08

assbot is getting crehzy

18:08

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:08

!down assbot

18:08

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:08

s/assbot/dosbot/

18:11

maybe we should bring assbot to the bot doctor

18:11

Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.

18:12

davout reimport of same key ?

18:13

kakobrekla: yeah, i fucked my key up, put paymium support as primary id, fixed it and re-pushed it to key server, it's just aesthetics

18:14

well i can delete it from keyring and it will be imported again next time you run command

18:14

or !change key to x and from x to back to what you have now

18:15

kakobrekla: if you can delete that's cool

18:15

as long as the ratings stay

18:15

yea

18:15

so you have some logic to handle colliding key ids?

18:15

wait no

18:16

key id is presumed to be not uncollidable

18:16

you already have the fingerprints from gribble amirite

18:16

i mean fp

18:16

i use only fp

18:16

that you got from gribble

18:16

yea

18:16

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=davout

18:16

#bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1xqD4Z1 )

18:17

assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.

18:17

yea mp's link about an actual demo of key id collision attack with puppetlab's key looked pretty scary

18:17

!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro

18:17

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5e8c564d3f8bdc6

18:18

hold on a sec

18:18

i didnt remove it yet

18:18

assbot: you feeling better?

18:18

a bit

18:18

assbot: good

18:19

its hard work, i hardly get any sleep

18:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00050353 = 21.8532 BTC [+] {2}

18:24

davout key cleared

18:26

kakobrekla: danke schön

18:27

!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro

18:27

Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.

18:27

Key 01713428 / "David FRANCOIS (E-mail) <david@bitcoin-central.net>" successfully imported.

18:27

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/98431d066034acb0

18:27

!v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.1/0:27df5d8b4242724bfb6271ceb46ada8c7a7c443abc96a009ed9aed2b7d5f14ad

18:27

Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 1/0 with note: cool wot bro

18:27

so 1/0 is a valid integer nao?

18:28

PeterL

it lets you use 1/0 as a number now?

18:28

shut the fuck up.

18:28

!b 3

18:28

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1S68XZ5.txt )

18:28

!gettrust davout kakobrekla

18:28

Trust relationship from user davout to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 22 via 9 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/davout/kakobrekla | http://w.b-a.link/user/kakobrekla

18:28

[rating] => 1

18:28

1/0 is an alias for $MOON

18:28

!rate kakobrekla 3 cool wot bro

18:28

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/82083d73fa5699f5

18:29

!v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.3:550c72dc47e3a32e0d797a9953ebb1f8bbc90308e8a7f02d95f406f6d0cc7f9e

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Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 1 to 3 with note: cool wot bro

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00050391 = 4.8375 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00050417 = 15.5536 BTC [+] {2}

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!rate assbot 1/0

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Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0ecad1a5b37446fc

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aha it gets taken out earlier

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meh too lazy.

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otp will show correctly now.

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otp header

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00050418 = 12.5289 BTC [+]

~ 35 minutes ~

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http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html

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Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9Elap )

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http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/19/the-ultimate-status-symbol/ << mah new toy.

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The ultimate status symbol. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9GtPG )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45746 @ 0.00050579 = 23.1379 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3854 @ 0.00051413 = 1.9815 BTC [+]

20:07

sooo... if i need to have fresh data for btc-dev, i'm supposed to query http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/<nick/fingerprint>

20:08

but how i'm getting them out ouf short keyid... pull it from keyserver, i guess

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12000001 = 1.2 BTC [-]

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good riddance

20:11

you should search by fp on keyserver

20:11

just to be sure, may i consider http://w.b-a.link/trust/ api stable?

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... ( http://bit.ly/1B9J3F8 )

20:12

idk

20:18

why idk?

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well its stable as in online but if you need something changed for example i would do it if its reasonable

20:22

no such need so far. what format is it?

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which ?

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;;later tell MetatronOne da

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The operation succeeded.

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the trust output

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[meta] => Array < this stuff

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in http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kakobrekla and http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kakobrekla/json

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... ( http://bit.ly/1B9L6ZZ )

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... ( http://bit.ly/1B9L704 )

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use json

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to parse

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second link

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ahh yes

20:30

<jurov> also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally << this should be fixed, and rly shouldn't be to hard to.

20:31

<ben_vulpes> oh hey that's neat kakobrekla << werd.

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!ident jurov

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^ would be good to have

20:31

there is no session

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<assbot> its hard work, i hardly get any sleep << sleep is for pussy!

20:32

we are assuming that whoever has voice is properly identified?

20:33

quite a shaky assumption

20:33

idk who is assuming that

20:33

ahh its so great to be back in the irc seat.

20:34

so no assumptions and ask the counterparty directly for proper signature. i see

20:34

if its signature worthy you ask for signature

20:36

jurov it's counterintuitive, but the session thing is not actually increasing security.

20:37

i agree, but since it's sop since -otc, needs to be said explicitly

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yeh. it was and wil be repeated i m sure.

20:40

o hey, pete got a mertz ?

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yup!

20:42

5.6L V8

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not bad.

20:42

same as that owned by gorbachev and hussein

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good company, that

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pete_dushenski: i can't comment on whether gorby owns one, but the photo is clearly on a wash, d.c street

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pete_dushenski: i don't think he keeps it here.

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lol

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md plates, too

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(state of maryland)

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ha

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probably rental.

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well the story is that he drove one on his first visit to the us

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fell in love with it

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and ordered a bullet-proof model, naturally, as soon as he returned to moscow

20:44

iirc that one was auctioned recently ?

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or was that his 'zil'

20:44

hm i missed said auction

20:44

lol, would have bought it ?

20:44

for the right price, i'll buy anything.

20:45

for an even righter price i'll also buy anything.

20:45

you would undercut me, wouldn't you.

20:45

neh, the street bum who bids a penny will undercut.

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all of us.

20:46

(how does this work exactly.)

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lol it doesn't

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but yes, congrats. vroom.

20:46

does that thing run on ordinary petrol?

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cheers

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oh ya, inordinate amounts of it

20:47

http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/2179295.jpg << lol nothing like a blonde girl with black eyebrows and landing strip.

20:47

... ( http://bit.ly/1B9Ne3L )

20:47

not sure i would've sprung for it had gas been $1.2/L

20:47

i don't think i'll eke out 400 km of city driving on a 90l tank

20:47

probably more like 600-700km on the highway

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good car for fellow who doesn't drive.

20:48

tank isn't that big if memory serves, more like 52, and fuel economy is not that bad, more like 7ish

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so you'd do ~500 km on the 50 liters in the tank

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i drive about 5000km a year so almost "doesn't drive"

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*700

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"23.8-gallon fuel tank"

20:49

http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html << this person does NOT understand what "turing complete" means.

20:49

Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9NuzL )

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apparently a sack of 20 different apples is "turing complete" if you provide the turing completeness separately

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and allocate the apples to machine states or sumthin

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separately ?

20:51

mircea_popescu you're probably thinking of the 300 sel, if not one of the diesels

20:51

seems like the question re: the linked article is, can one have the card players compute an arbitrary function (without them knowing) by having them play out a certain position

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seems like it purports to show that - yes

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*

asciilifeform has not checked the proof, just saw this turd

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asciilifeform what he does is, "here's a turing machine, and here's how im painting my game on it. "

20:51

pete_dushenski i was thinking of teh diesel.

20:51

this is gas ?!

20:52

you thought it was a 5.6l diesel?

20:52

it's not a 3/4 ton pickup

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lol ya it's gas

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yeah those had shitty fuel economy.

20:53

back in the 90s the diesels were pretty economical cause diesel was 30% off

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now diesel is all over the place

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often 30% more

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plus, quite underpowered and they never heat up in the winter

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not enough waste heat

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though the diesels are known to last 1,000,000 miles

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hm, nah, it'll heat alright

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at -30C it'll take a while

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by which time you're probably already at your destination

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could take 30 min

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ah yes, i guess that's a point.

20:57

doesn't get that cold in yurp

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ya, it's an entirely canadian consideration

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as is traction in snow, etc.

20:59

<pete_dushenski> it's not a 3/4 ton pickup << lol

20:59

nice acquisition, pete_dushenski

21:00

"Nos numerus sumus et fruges consumere nati."

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not too shabby eh

21:00

"we are statistics, born to consume resources."

21:00

imma put lady v in a mercedes baby wagon here sometime

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you know

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the long ones

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hearses

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get a volvo while at it

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glk ? e-something ?

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and weld them top to top

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i think top gear did that welding game once

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ben_vulpes so when's this baby of yours due ? we've been hearing about it since, what, you tried to use it as an excuse to not go to the third conference ?

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we want to send you toys!

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pete_dushenski: i'm going to the third conference, foo

21:03

well now you are...

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you see the girl's sister's wedding is important enough to shift babymaking around, but not con3

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but can't really say yo

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letting biology do its thing

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that's a fun game at least :)

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myeah

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HAVE FUN NO PRESSURE NOTHING RIDING ON THE OPERATION

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getting creative. it's a blast, honestly.

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lol probably stressful at times but you have to roll with the punches

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it's not like lady v is 35yo and it's crazy crunch time

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might as well enjoy these final months/years of peaceful sleep

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and dink life

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dink < meh

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perhaps you missed the part of the log where i disclosed that lady v is on my personal payroll

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i guess it depends whether your personal payroll includes personal cheques or just payments in kind ;)

21:17

personal cheques would defeat the purpose; then i'd have to pay taxes on money i'd already have paid taxes on.

21:18

what's it mean to have a pet on payroll even.

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employee

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professional services rendered

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papa vulpes

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i mean, it's possible

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adorbs

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probably -ev tho

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why does a pet need money.

21:21

handbags.

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spambags ?

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to bring in food. at least in my case.

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*

asciilifeform almost failed to read 'handbags' because it lodged in his skullcase's spam filter

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*

kakobrekla hates going to the store.

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*

asciilifeform would have pet fetch food but it would require teaching pet to drive and issuing a vehicle

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yeah well there you go

21:23

mine has her own

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and does the cooking too

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cooking - yes

21:23

easily delegable all sorts of household tasks

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girl basically runs the household

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no reason to not provide adequate expense accounts to ensure everything gets done

21:25

wait - skullcase?

21:25

nm.

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here you dont need a car to go to the store.

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ben_vulpes: srsly, how often does one see word 'handbag' outside of spam.

21:26

actually it would take longer with the car than by foot.

21:27

kakobrekla: the only thing one can reliably get to where i live, without a motor, is 'convenience stores' which largely sell recycled food

21:27

must be nice living in a first world country

21:27

i live in this valley http://www.slotrips.si/sis-mapa/skupina_doc/slo/objava_datoteke/1327004782_0_cerknisko_jezero4_prikaz_objave_glava.jpg

21:27

... ( http://bit.ly/17ZCXxL )

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kakobrekla: woah. colour.

21:29

kinda near those houses on the left http://www.slotrips.si/sis-mapa/skupina_doc/slo/galerija/1323110606_6622_panorama1a.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/17ZD7VJ )

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its sorta famous place, lots of pics.

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looks idyllic

21:34

from the top of the hill http://www.burger.si/Cerknica/CerkniskoJezero_Slivnica.JPG

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... ( http://bit.ly/1xrp5C0 )

21:34

nuff of spamming

21:39

!up felipelalli

21:40

Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review?

21:41

ping mircea_popescu BingoBoingo

21:42

ok! Thank you kakobrekla

21:42

actually i was pinging them for their attention for you

21:42

just sit down and wait till someone appropriate comes around

21:49

thank you! Let me ask another thing: wouldn't nice if this page (default 404): http://qntra.net/anything/ (where anything can be anything) was linked somewhere? Like "Search" or "Category" (without the message "Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?")? This page is very useful because it shows the categories and the search. I couldn't find a link to search/category page.

21:49

Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZEKCL )

21:50

i think cazalla edits the wp

21:51

why do you want to write in portuguese?

21:51

i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up.

21:52

i imagine its his native tongur

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tongue* blasted touchscreen

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reasoning is along the lines of, "the only people you are reaching is the people in italy who haven't bothered to learn english"

21:54

the net must be a boring place for people who can't read the big three

21:55

you mean js css and html ?

21:56

ofc

21:56

kako, when are we buying our tickets to BA for april? it's getting late.

21:57

you should do comedy i think

21:57

kakobrekla will go ?

21:57

i am trying to twist his arm.

21:59

!up felipelalli

21:59

mike_c: because it is my native language and my English is not so good. But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood.

21:59

you english seems fine

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yeah.. not sure who is going to do that translation for you

21:59

i mean, fine enough for english draft at least

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^ i agree. write it in english and get that reviewed.

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thank you! : ) I'm gonna try it.

22:06

!gettrust assbot felipelalli

22:06

Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli

22:07

what's the topic?

22:08

mike_c: why when I send this command to gribble I receive a different result?

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01:08:09 - felipelalli: gettrust assbot

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01:08:10 - gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

22:08

#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZFVlQ )

22:08

Rating Details for User 'assbot' ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZFSXg )

22:09

you are doing it the other way

22:09

you trust assbot, the bot doesn't yet trust you

22:09

mike_c: ah! Ok.

22:09

mike_c: I want to do an overview of the Bitcoin image in Brazil. I want to show how almost everybody here thinks it is a scam. But for this I use a professional statistical research that costs a fortune.

22:10

*I want to use

22:10

I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research.

22:10

i agree, its a scam.

22:11

no stat tools needed.

22:11

not even a good scam. price goes down all the time.

22:11

i dont think it ever went up

22:11

are you kidding, right? :)

22:12

so, if you want to do this research but have not yet, what is the article going to say?

22:13

I want to write one, just like a dream. Not sure if I will accomplish.

22:14

well get to work, dreams wont dream themselfs!

22:14

ah. well, hit the streets, get 50 random brazilians to answer a survey. the results of that might be worth an article.

22:14

heh, 50 brazilian. that's a lot.

22:15

there arent that many?

22:15

no, I had worked in a statistical company, if you say to them that you made that, they gonna kill you! :)

22:15

the number doesn't matter, but the distribution.

22:15

well, it's just a survey. confidence interval is +- 2 brazilian

22:16

;;ident

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Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified.

22:16

a what? >30 s'all you need

22:16

no. If I go to slams it will be one result, if I go to downtown, another totally different.

22:16

30 brazilian?

22:16

i think he is saying 1 brazilian is enough

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*slum

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and extrapolate

22:16

you're not gonna let that go huh mike_c

22:16

oh god.. the accent in my head is killing me. hilarious

22:17

;;nethash

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324390816.001

22:17

felipelalli come up with a draft and show it to qntra people is your best bet

22:18

kakobrekla: thank you! I'll try it.

22:18

cool

22:18

kakobrekla being surprisingly nice and helpful

22:18

go fuck yourself

22:18

:(

22:18

but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need.

22:19

aww cmon mats a little joke.

22:19

im sensitive

22:20

then i wont hug you

22:20

felipelalli: def a waste. what's software gonna do that you can't replicate by hand?

22:20

i'll give mats a brazilian hugs

22:21

waste of money if I hire that company.

22:21

not to say there wouldn't be a valid use case. just, what's the point?

22:21

I have to go, nice to meet you guys. hugs from Brazil.

22:21

lol, authentic brazil hugs

22:21

ok good luck

22:21

adorbs

22:21

thank you kakobrekla

22:22

this is the most touching moment ive witnessed in #b-a

22:22

lol

22:22

usually its all world domination and biodiesel

22:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00051321 = 20.7337 BTC [-]

22:25

;;seen The20YearIRCloud

22:25

The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <The20YearIRCloud> Big thing has been to have em look over all the financial documents as we're filing taxes for 2014 next month and I didn't want to submit till they had a good idea of it.

22:29

did !s disappear

22:30

!s search

22:30

1117 results for 'search' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=search

22:30

found it

22:31

https://major.io/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RAS_Traceroute_Book_Format.pdf via hn

22:31

... ( http://bit.ly/1ujGGdW )

22:38

<kakobrekla> from the top of the hill << o look, czechoslovenia!

22:38

i mean yugoslovakia

22:39

felipelalli so what did you want to talk about ?

22:43

mats: adorbs << lol. yeh.

22:45

ben_vulpes: and does the cooking too << i remember that part.

22:48

mike_c: i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up. << well, nobody speaks italian. brazil speaks portuguese. i don't directly see a problem with it, if the coverage's any good.

22:48

but there'd have to be some sort of serious upfront commitment to it. one article now and again isn'treally worth the hassle.

22:51

felipelalli: But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood. << this is a non-starter. the person doing the translation can just write their own stuff directly. you're not famous or anything, why'd you imagine someone'd be bothered translating you specifically ?

22:53

talking about bitcoin and scams, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsomerrmdp1qh3yiso1_500.gif

22:53

... ( http://bit.ly/1ujHAqS )

22:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14240 @ 0.00051321 = 7.3081 BTC [-]

23:00

http://i.imgur.com/pkzx0Mt.jpg << kek. reenlisted in a GameStop.

23:00

... ( http://bit.ly/1ujI1l0 )

23:00

whassat ?

23:01

vidya game store

23:01

i get that part

23:01

o, hes doing a reenlistment ceremony to reup his contract

23:01

oh

23:01

lol

23:03

felipelalli: I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research. << there's perhaps better uses to that capital, whatever you'd be spending. seeing how the value of asnwering the "what does brazil think" on whatever topic isn't really that great. i guess it could be a useful demonstration of methodology etc, but that needs some sort of a plan, won't do much as just a shot in the dark.

23:07

From the pre-close panel at Shmoocon yesterday: "We used to be smarter than the Feds, it used to be a joke, how dumb they are. The NSA and FBI have a lot of smart people working for them now, I think it may be the other way around these days."

23:07

o.O

23:10

shmoocon was meh this year, though.

23:12

although James Forshaw's talk was pretty good. i can't seem to find slides online...

23:12

i think attendees were dazzled by the reproduced ANT tools

23:13

michael ossmann is the man.

23:14

http://ossmann.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-nsa-playset.html from july.

23:14

mossmann's blog: The NSA Playset ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujIWC9 )

23:17

mats: usually its all world domination and biodiesel << world biodisomination!

23:23

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/letters/updated-law-enforcement-tools.pdf << this'd be p good for a qntra article BingoBoingo

23:23

... ( http://bit.ly/1ujJyaF )

23:24

"SEC. 104. Ensuring Authority for Courts to Shut Down Botnets ..."

23:24

"(D) violating or about to violate section 1030 of this title where such conduct would affect 100 or more protected computers during any 1-year period, such as (but not limited to) by denying access to or operation of the computers, installing unwanted software on the computers, using the computers without authorization, or obtaining information from the

23:24

computers without authorization"

23:24

nmap is now a WMD

23:24

lol

23:25

this entire "forget how the machines work we'll make a legal representaton of how they SHOULD work and then hold you to respect that whether you knew it or not" is such nonsense.

23:25

!s monolith

23:25

17 results for 'monolith' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monolith

23:25

basically the proposition is that rather than writing good software, bad software will be translated into law language

23:26

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885689

23:26

Logged on 21-10-2014 01:30:35; asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies.

23:26

except, how the fuck will that work ? here's a broken c program, make a basic version of it and then try to enforce it

23:26

BEFORE A JURY

23:26

it's ludicrous as a concept. showing that these idiots posing as "leaders" have the intellectual penetration of frogs.

23:26