#trilema | 2014-12-16

http://40.media.tumblr.com/e8df87434035e2eeffcc6f681fb4c04f/tumblr_nfdsamgEc61s6sn46o1_500.jpg <<< tit equality, now a reality!

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... ( http://bit.ly/1A0Xls3 )

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tit's a myth i tell you!

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ben_vulpes: Tits are real. Just wait until mircea_popescu replaces flouride in the water with risperidone

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as long as it doesn't go into the whiskey

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mircea_popescu: move on to perl ? < bring me a straw

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strapperl ? that's happening

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1071 @ 0.00122887 = 1.3161 BTC [+] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 8770 @ 0.0012 = 10.524 BTC

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1700 @ 0.0012 = 2.04 BTC

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sapPERL

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!up Vexual

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have cpan mirror, will tarvel

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mp: i'd love to run your free drinks, but i see a conflict of interests

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also theres not many people you'd like down at the local pig and sty

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf_w9MI77DM

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Liquor Stories - The Pilot Episode - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1svr0Ds )

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what about a thursday freeroll on seals?

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same miscreants

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fluffy, you're awesome

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heck, i'll even chip in for the prize

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16527 @ 0.00061512 = 10.1661 BTC [+]

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;;gettrust HoreaV

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user HoreaV: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=HoreaV | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=HoreaV | Rated since: Mon Apr 28 05:59:47 2014

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he is going full circle.. getting to -10

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Fucker.

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BingoBoingo: maybe after, at the moment i'm still taking in the threats, black mails

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and such

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what threats?

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but its a damn very interesint life lesson

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Well, these things happen

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only takes a prick to burst a bubble

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Nah, a prick just turns your sister into a stranger's wife. This sounds worse than a prick.

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!up Vexual

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;gettrust Vexual

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So, can anyone else spot what is wrong in this comparison? http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1412060-LI-KFREEBSD879

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Debian 8.0 Jessie - KFreeBSD Vs. GNU Linux Benchmarks - OpenBenchmarking.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKKz13 )

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895413.0 << Oh Shit

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NOTIFICARE IMPORTANTĂ: vă rugăm să va retrageți toate fondurile din BTCXchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWyp9i )

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nope, if the debian snu comp is an ascii style quiz, then i fail

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Vexual: Well, jsut compare the hardware specs on the test rigs. Notice anything that doesn't match?

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no

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Well, are the processors and storage devices the same?

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well storage is different, but i don't know the descriptors, so i cant say how

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Well Note that Debian/kFreeBSD's one truly poor area of performance is Disk operations and their disk ran off of an external enclosure while the Debian/linux SSD ran off of... Sata

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yeah im no ttoo sure what that means... theres another level to the disk operations?

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That benchmark was done by the phoronix guy who has pretty much been full Pettering since the pulse audio suck

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Yeah

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t what purpose?

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Drink more, let the groundhog lead you to the truth

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!up Vexual

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is it careful about how fast the ssd dies?

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i can't read italian: ill just have the spaghetti

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lol such drama

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lol check out BingoBoingo speaking romanian

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that was romainian?

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it'd very like italian

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romance languages all come from Italian

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italian comes from romanian

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agh

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Latin

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can't type

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lol

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they all come from Vulgar Latin

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alll my favourite bakers pretend to be italian

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romanian is way more vulgar.

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lol

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romanian is so vulgar it turns a prick into a sister's wife.

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and cake to poo

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that's a myth.

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depends where you get it from

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sperm, blood, piss and vinegar.

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whaddaya homeick?

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dealing with red vinegar

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id say it's very much interchzangeable

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whats the dollar rate on the street now?

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and whyz it called blue? is it porno, or people just dont like grey?

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it's a bit porno isnt it?

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Vexual leches

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;;seen peted

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I have not seen peted.

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i forgot to tell him where to trade coin

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he changed his nick to peter_abraham_ezekial_dushenkovski

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yeah, i can't spell it

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lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7857 @ 0.00061794 = 4.8552 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8590 @ 0.00060423 = 5.1903 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26512 @ 0.0006022 = 15.9655 BTC [-] {2}

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looks like Luke-Jr upset the redditors

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00060636 = 16.402 BTC [+] {3}

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cazalla link?

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front page of /r/bitcoin jurov

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pfgjg/exposed_lukejr_plans_on_forcing_blacklists_on_all/ prolly this

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Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlqr5s )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28088 @ 0.00058039 = 16.302 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4691 @ 0.000575 = 2.6973 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.000575 = 5.06 BTC [-]

08:01

hosting an early xmas luncheon tmw, my contribution is the best potato salad in ze world, beetroot relish to go with cheeses and rocket dip, the rocket i grow myself

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of course, i am getting stuck into tmw's booze, tonight

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.000575 = 2.0125 BTC [-]

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cazalla: you see a potato salad, i see a potential IPO

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i was gonna open a chicken shop ya know

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bbq chicken, burgers, salads.. no-one will pay for quality, or not enough people to warrant it and the long hours

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slaughtered on order? i'd hit that

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but then you got high ?

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blergh

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nah, died on the vine

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davout, no demand for rabbit burger

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pfgjg/exposed_lukejr_plans_on_forcing_blacklists_on_all/cmwg5an >> 'i can't be bothered to read the notes'

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MagicalBux comments on Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlM1qs )

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as for chicken shops.. you cannot find a single legitimate charchoal chicken shop anywhere here these days

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they have all converted to infrared ovens yet persist with advertising themselves as charcoal chicken

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few ok lebanese chicken shops around but eh.. fkn muslims

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why the islamophobia

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why not?

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big thing here atm is for leftists to tweet #illridewithyou to show support for muslims in australia on public transport

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any woman wearing a hajib who is scared for her life can find someone tweeting that to ride on the train safely with, that's the idea anyway

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00058009 = 9.6585 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00057481 = 9.0245 BTC [-] {2}

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o that kind of riding

08:49

cazalla: Luke-Jr strikes again! The power rangers have to burn cash to survive it seems.

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i wonder what its like for Luke-Jr to be opposed so strongly by people that share similar political beliefs

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anarchist types are rare enough, and this overlap with people that understand the technical aspects of bitcoin are even fewer

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this is where Luke-Jr looks at his logs and says, "You know I can hear what you're saying"

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bend the knee already. you know you're wrong.

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no one wants to abdicate their imaginary throne.

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maybe its more insidious than we know, what if he was caught selling methamphetamine on the side when he was broke and is now enslaved by an agent?

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perhaps i'm giving him too much credit but i get the impression he's an intelligent guy and knows hes doing dumb shit

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00057994 = 13.7446 BTC [+]

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i am of course talking about #b-a's opposition to him, not wutever redditards

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Perhaps this can be said of Gavin, hence tell tale signs of his comromisation.

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compromisation*

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the other power rangers I do not know. But jgarzik definitely publicly stated he'd like to see a GPG-like implementation in pure JS, which is mind boggling for a supposed intelligent person to say.

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are you in the bay now thestringpuller? i read something about vmware earlier

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thestringpuller: there's nothing wrong in itself with js, its using it in a browser that sounds a bit weird

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davout: exactly!

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do you really trust Chrome or Firefox to store your MPEx GPG key?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00057471 = 2.9885 BTC [-]

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mats: AirWatch, which is owned by VMWare.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2328 @ 0.00057994 = 1.3501 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1666 @ 0.0012 = 1.9992 BTC

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ah, cool

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.0005834 = 11.0263 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.0005831 = 8.3966 BTC [-]

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!up soypirate

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speaking of ru central bank >> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/can-anybody-find-me-central-banker-to.html

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ClubOrlov: Can anybody find me... a central banker to love? ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEJgQ )

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jurov amusingly notices the hate on python and waits for google to eventually, but inevitably release incompatible go update

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it is why single-vendor (how else) 'implementation as standard' is fundamentally retarded.

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Symbolics LISP is an incompatible upate from Brick LISP

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BingoBoingo: pre-dated the ansi standard effort

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Sure. Baudot predated ansi text standards too.

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BingoBoingo: there were other interesting lisps of the period - xerox's 'interlisp' (and its environment) being perhaps the most noteworthy

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interestingly, there is a xerox lisp machine emulator for msdos, of all things, 'medley.' i have never located a copy.

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If only Xerox had enough crazy to venture beyond the paper business with any conviction.

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xerox parc did exist.

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went to the same hell as bell labs.

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quite arguably, both were largesse of monopolists, and died with the monopolies.

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Well many small towns maintain libraries gifted in another act of monopolist largesse, but similarly the handling of those gifts has decayed in a cargo-cult manner.

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i'm told they threw out the books in many places, in favour of rows upon rows of winblows terminals, public 3d printer stalls, etc.

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They have, but even before then were decaying as books were replaced by crappy fascimiles of books.

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Not Xerox copies, but bad faith imitators of the book form.

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Xerox copies of worn actual books would have been fine. Many "special collections" departments do that for actual papers of interest.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00059043 = 15.115 BTC [+] {3}

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'While most regular Russians go to Sberbank to pay their utility bills and municipal fees, a few highly irregular Russians (and a few foreigners among them) go to Sberbank to sit in posh offices in front of trading terminals and gamble away the regular Russians' savings. The regular Russians are rather upset about this state of affairs, and 70% of them state in opinion polls that they consider currency manipulation to be a cri

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me and want the criminals stopped and punished.' (mr. o)

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It's hard to think much of a library that would have as part of its collection and the like ISBN-13: 978-0672313004

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'spam like a pro in 24 fortnights!'

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Handle Turd studio X15, Chapter 9, Turdthenware

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Bowl and mugs

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asciilifeform pays very, very dearly for access to proper library

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though sc4mz0rs: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2014#952756

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Logged on 13-12-2014 22:32:17; asciilifeform: speaking of my rotten old uni, i'm no longer permitted to read the electronic journals for any amount of money

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It might be time to audit the art classes.

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asciilifeform the painter

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BingoBoingo was suspecting more along the lines of metalworking.

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BingoBoingo probably knows that a full-scale university in usa does not normally have useful courses like metalwork.

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déclassé.

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asciilifeform: Many actually have a perverted version. Lives in Art department.

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Focus on 18th century state of the art casting and blacksmithing

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BingoBoingo: they'll cover basic welding, yes. art school here even has own scrapyard.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21905 @ 0.00060117 = 13.1686 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28695 @ 0.00061354 = 17.6055 BTC [+] {2}

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at any rate, the game is not worth the candles at roughly 8k usd/yr. for buying access to e-journals in this way.

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There's got to be single credit hour courses somewhere to audit.

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BingoBoingo: 'mandatory fees'

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Ah, they don't pro-rate for part time?

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nope.

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when i look for a specific archival piece, i have contacts who can get it. just takes time. the point of full access is: idle browsing.

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Yes.

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aren't there handheld scanners that'd resolve this for you?

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mats: we're discussing e-journals

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mats: my university no longer gets paper copies of journals.

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bummer

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asciilifeform: The probably do get some. Just not for the subjects that interest.

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And not for the general library

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interestingly, spy cameras are no longer necessary there. they've installed public 'face-up' scanners that go straight from dead tree to jpeg on usb drive, gratis

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BingoBoingo: they had paper journals as recently as two years ago. but now zapped.

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i'm told that scarcely anyone read them in dead tree.

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asciilifeform: Even in the medical and law libraries?

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we've neither on this campus

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Ah

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scoopbot -fetch

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scoopbot

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/dying-media-company-seeks-lifeline-with-bitcoin/

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it scoops

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Indeed

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;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]

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72.5295

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it moves

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http://www.mindshare.com/files/ebooks/firewire%20system%20architecture%20(2nd%20edition).pdf

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... ( http://bit.ly/1ACfwlW )

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Ah, firewire. Another example of a toy standard accidentaly'ing its way to "professional" standard.

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mindshare has other cool things about AGP, PCI, PCIe, USB, SATA, ...

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Ah

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i tried to find docs on Thunderbolt on the internets but after comparing notes with other people, they're still under NDA

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what's that new port they are putting in laptops...

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;;google thunderbolt

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Thunderbolt Technology Community: <https://thunderbolttechnology.net/>; Apple - Thunderbolt: Next-generation high-speed I/O technology.: <https://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/>; Thunderbolt (interface) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>

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p sure thats it

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i thought it was neat that it's essentially an external PCIe slot

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waiting for the day they start selling external gpu's for laptops

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the thoroughput is amazing

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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i would hope so if it claims to be a PCIe port

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iirc you can push to two 5k displays

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yea

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/12/15/nasas-349-million-monument-to-its-drift/

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NASA’s $349 million monument to its drift | The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmJbl7 )

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danielpbarron didn't realize you were based in CT.

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Connecticutians unite!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23129 @ 0.00061482 = 14.2202 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00059642 = 3.1014 BTC [-]

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so boys and girls, i will be taking a vacation

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prolly see each other again sporadically until 2015

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so merry xmas and a happy new year!

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4000 @ 0.0012 = 4.8 BTC

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happy holidays

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Alright, time to generate some serious logs!

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tyty

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mircea_popescu is lying.

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he's always on vacation

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i think the term is `retirement`

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I thought he had to chase all of those topless servers yesterday

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Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Mar 2015 to drop under $50 before Feb 2015 " http://bitbet.us/bet/1082/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.5594 BTC. Current weight: 84,068.

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Bet created: "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/

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Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 93(Y):7(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,987.

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!s parachute

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87 results for 'parachute' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=parachute

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Bet created: "Russian Ruble to rally to 50 RUB or less per USD before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1085/

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11:27 <+thestringpuller> danielpbarron didn't realize you were based in CT. << where you at?

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scoopbot -fetch

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scoopbot

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/spanish-cybersquat-raided-in-counter-terrorism-operation/

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http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=4061977 << Might as well try this again.

12:35

Spanish CyberSquat Raided in "Counter-Terror" Operation - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vW8N27 )

12:35

Appear qntra has the English language scoop

12:42

https://twitter.com/Dawn_Kopecki/status/544890279602704384

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In any disagreement between reality and belief, reality always wins. http://t.co/M9awfudAD1 /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /Dawn_Kopecki

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danielpbarron: i was born in hartford, so it's always gonna be "home" to me on some level.

12:43

I lived in Windsor until I was 2 then we moved away.

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i yearn for the day I can return

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I was born in New Haven, grew up in Deep River and Westbrook

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mthreat

Pepe's pizza!

12:47

psh, Louis Lunch!

12:50

http://networkfilter.blogspot.com/2014/12/security-openbsd-vs-freebsd.html

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Network Filter: SECURITY : OPENBSD VS FREEBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1vWc3KR )

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danielpbarron: new haven has some of the best pizza ever

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new england in general has great pizza

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now i'm hungry for wilsons pizza...

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13:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00060271 = 15.1883 BTC [-] {2}

13:09

!up nezZario

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!up [KS]

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!up tryphe

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00061305 = 11.5866 BTC [+] {2}

13:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6224 @ 0.00061794 = 3.8461 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 860 @ 0.0012 = 1.032 BTC

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20179 @ 0.00061124 = 12.3342 BTC [-]

14:04

mats: I don't know how many people here actually have similar political positions as me.. probably few?

14:05

Luke-Jr: You are a needle inside of a haystack, inside of another haystack full of needles

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Luke-Jr: i really don't know how many people think maintaining blacklists like you do is a good idea

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prolly not many

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heck, even I wish there was a better solution

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When Dogecoin a thing, pointing idiots in that direction was a great solution.

14:14

it died?

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there isn't a problem, you've contrived a solution to something that doesn't exist and doesn't matter

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Luke-Jr, yeah along with all the other "cryptocurrencies" http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/

14:15

The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt6nge )

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mats: sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending there is no problem, doesn't help anyone

14:17

"does transaction have fee attached?" "yes." "so ok then, it isn't spam." "no, it's still spam."

14:17

that non-argument is getting old

14:17

explain how anyone is inconvenienced by 'spam in the blockchain'

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mats: lol, seriously?

14:18

mats: you're aware 20 GB of the blockchain's 30 GB is spam?

14:18

so?

14:18

so that's a lot of people who no longer run a full bitcoin node

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and it will keep growing

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until only big banks can run Bitcoin

14:18

if 30gb is a blocker how long would they have run a node anyway?

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lol.

14:19

Luke-Jr, so? as long as my bank lets me authorize account actions via GPG, sounds good

14:19

xanthyos

WHOAS

14:19

whats the cost per gigabyte of HDD storage? 0.05USD?

14:20

;;calc 150/4000

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0.0375

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^ per gb.

14:21

yes, let's pretend storage is the bottleneck so we can make it seem trivial.

14:21

this is not a problem, and won't be a problem for as long as the block size remains the same.

14:21

sit in #bitcoin for a few days

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storage isn't the bottleneck, and it isn't the concern that's keeping anyone from operating a full node

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and watch how many people give up on running a Bitcoin node because it takes so long to sync initially

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the concerns of idiots are not the concerns of people whose opinions matter

14:21

isn't the bottle neck the block size? and isn't it a good thing that such a thing is limited and therefor has value

14:22

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2phhuq/cybersquat_associated_with_darkwallet_raided_in/cmwr82b

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dunand comments on Cybersquat Associated with DarkWallet Raided in Spain ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt76y3 )

14:22

if something as inconsequential as time to sync keeps people from operating a full node

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wait til they realize how annoying it is to maintain the node for years

14:24

you'd do better to work on something that matters, like incentives to operate a node

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...and relays

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incentives for nodes don't have to be written into the code

14:25

i'm running bitcoind fine on $100 minitx mobo with spinning rust hdd.. and it sems to have enough capacity for next 5 years

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but Luke-Jr insists on pretending there's bottlenecks so he can continue with his powertrip

14:28

i really don't get the whining

14:28

"it doesn't fit in my free vps anymore bleeeee".. stfu freeloaders

14:30

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3NSAZV9.txt )

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!b 2

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!up soypirate

14:35

well there you have it.

14:40

it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod

14:41

frankly, even if it did, I shouldn't be forced to process spam

14:48

ill add this to the list of irrational things you believe in

14:48

rational*

14:48

Luke-Jr's thing is kinda like the real bitcoin foundation's thing, in that they are both attempts to make a more sane node (from the point of view of the author)

14:50

except Luke-Jr is going about it in the wrong channels (any channel that isn't -assets), but that's probably because there isn't much sympathy for "it isn't fair i'm being forced bla bla bla" in here

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3260 @ 0.0012268 = 3.9994 BTC [-]

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Luke-Jr: bitcoin on your phone? that's phenomenally retarded.

14:53

which is exactly why it's a good fit for this channel

14:54

fits on my iPhone

14:55

can't help you if you're poor, although there's always SPV clients for people like you

14:55

there are 128gb sd cards, in the interest of humoring this discussion

14:55

yeah, and I have a bunch of 64gb microSD cards

14:55

but yes. be less poor.

14:55

I use them on my GoPro H4's just fine

14:56

how exactly do these blacklists work? if a miner processes a transaction with a "banned" address - what then?

14:57

ben_vulpes: basically all it does is stop your node from participating in the spam

14:57

if a miner mines it, you have to validate it obviously

14:57

just doesn't relay the transaction?

14:57

why not put that in bitcoin.conf, eh?

14:57

right

14:57

instead of the code?

14:58

more effort

14:58

no sane node will reject a block that the rest of the network thinks is valid, so this blacklist thing is more of a waving of hands that amounts to nothing

14:58

lol

14:58

also less efficient

14:58

"it's too hard to do things correctly, so i'm just going to ram my idiocy into the codebase"

14:58

"less efficient" << hm?

14:58

you'll note I never proposed it for mainline

14:59

ben_vulpes: less efficient because suddenly you have to parse it out and such

14:59

I guess you could build the array at startup, but it's not really much easier to modify bitcoin.conf than to modify the patch

14:59

keep in mind Gentoo users are compiling it anyway

14:59

it's not some binary

14:59

so they can just modify the patch and drop it in /etc

15:00

if they want to customise it

15:01

"it's easier to hard code configuration into the source than read it as configuration at runtime"

15:01

no shit, sherlock.

15:02

this attitude has lead to all sorts of braindamage hard-coded in the source, like your commit introducing lock configuration into the mainline client.

15:04

out of curiousity, what is "lock configuration"?

15:04

this "spam on the blockchain" is only a thing because blocks go unfilled for the most part

15:05

ben_vulpes: you're missing Luke-Jr's point. in 20 years time he's going to simply have more aggressive anti-spam checks so that the blockchain can fit on his smart watch.

15:06

maybe just randomly culling old blocks will be something he'll innovate

15:07

why does bitcoin have to be on his smartwatch

15:07

undata: to quote the man of the hour - "[21:40:47] <+Luke-Jr>it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod"

15:07

stop being insensitive, undata

15:07

you clod

15:09

Luke-Jr: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/db.cpp#L89

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bitcoin/db.cpp at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1sAZZnU )

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personally there's not a smart-watch manufacturer out there whose OS security I'd trust with my coin

15:11

ben_vulpes: and how do you get by thinking I have anything to do with that?

15:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.00827016 = 1.654 BTC [-] {29}

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.0012268 = 2.4536 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18616 @ 0.00061122 = 11.3785 BTC [-]

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$ cd bitcoin

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$ cd src

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$ git blame db.cpp | grep locks

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148e107d src/db.cpp (Luke Dashjr 2012-05-22 19:51:13 +0000 125) dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(10000);

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$ git show 148e107d

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oh is that just the mock?

15:29

…

15:32

;;rate -1 Luke-Jr hardcoding config, that's a paddlin

15:32

Error: 'Luke-Jr' is not a valid integer.

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;;rate Luke-Jr -1 hardcoding config, that's a paddlin

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Luke-Jr has been recorded.

15:42

lol Luke-Jr how are you? and what are you doing here?

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;;later tell kakobrekla i think there's a typo in the topic of #bitcoin-assets-trades, unless "exchages" is an inside joke to which i'm not privy

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The operation succeeded.

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davout: observing trolls, it seems

15:46

by "trolls" you mean "heretics" ?

15:46

davout: no, they aren't even heretics

15:48

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-12-2014#954794 << difficult to tell, not knowing what exactly they are

15:48

Logged on 16-12-2014 19:04:39; Luke-Jr: mats: I don't know how many people here actually have similar political positions as me.. probably few?

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I know he's pro gun / seen him get banned from -otc for that

15:49

Adlai: I favour absolute monarchy and small government.

15:49

how do you choose monarchs?

15:49

plural, because they will likely get assasinated, by disgruntled humans or ebola

15:50

Adlai: bootstrapping is a serious problem, I don't know how you'd come up with a reasonable "first monarch" especially today

15:50

Adlai: I thought monarchs were chosen by the gods

15:50

Adlai: once it's going, though, the current monarch should be qualified to pick/raise his successor

15:50

wait that was pharoah

15:50

you don't choose a king, silly

15:51

this reasoning by metaphor thing "it's spam! why? uh... because I don't want it!" is idiotic

15:51

what criterea would you expect a monarch to use when picking a successor? how can they tell whether their trusted advisor is more worthy than their firstborn, or sift through private sector candidates?

15:51

spam is anything i don't like

15:51

and it's an excuse to create some central maintainer of blacklists

15:51

danielpbarron: righto

15:52

let's leave blacklists out of the discussion, there's enough room for that on reddit

15:53

undata: attack straw-men all you like

15:53

Luke-Jr: it subverts the very *idea* of bitcoin.

15:53

Adlai: it's not a matter of worthiness, it's a matter of competence.

15:53

undata: not in the slightest.

15:54

undata: but I guess you might think so, if you believe the trolls claims

15:54

;;rate Luke-Jr -3 cannot discern dissent from trolling

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Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Luke-Jr has changed from -1 to -3.

15:55

misrepresenting the truth (aka lying) is a tell-tale sign of trolling

15:55

not dissent

15:55

Luke-Jr: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch, or conclude that a currently serving (because it's both a privilege and a duty) monarch is incompetent, and find a better replacement?

15:55

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Adlai is genuinely curious and has very few opinions on the matter

15:55

Adlai: in the rare case of a bad monarch, the pope can depose him

15:56

it's quite interesting to watch people choose leaders

15:56

well, the pope seems a bit busy these days to be dealing with monarchs

15:56

although I must say that his PR people are doing an excellent job

15:56

and if the pope is bad, the meta-pope will depose him

15:57

god help us if we need a meta-meta-pope though.

15:57

Adlai: there hasn't been a pope in 60 years, don't let the fraud controlling the Vatican deceive you

15:57

well now..

15:57

Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

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*

Adlai doesn't follow papal news well enough to discernr

15:57

!up Vexual

15:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10148 @ 0.00061779 = 6.2693 BTC [+] {2}

15:58

I'm just curious at what point one person decides that the mere word of another person is gospel

15:58

sec phone

15:58

Luke-Jr, does that mean all the people attending catholic churches today are on their way to hell for following a false christ?

15:59

I'm not sure you get punished for having been deceived

15:59

assuming that, had the deception not occurred, you'd have bene OK

15:59

oh you most surely do

16:00

so a sufficiently effective deception can cause a perfectly "good" person to get punished?

16:00

undata: if the pope is bad at the same time as a monarch goes bad, God help us

16:00

Adlai, there are none that are good

16:00

Luke-Jr: *guillotines help us

16:00

and if God is bad too, let's just hope satoshi returns

16:01

*

Adlai hasn't discussed theology in a long time, and it's usually with jews

16:01

danielpbarron: no Catholic churches today follow the antipopes; those who do follow the antipopes and attend his churches are at risk of being damned, yes (though as Adlai infers, their culpability depends)

16:01

last time I met a christian irl was almost 6 years ago

16:02

danielpbarron: Christians have a responsibility to learn the Faith, and are guilty if deceived by their own neglegence

16:02

Luke-Jr, nice

16:02

Luke-Jr: what's a "real" pope?

16:02

how do you distinguish between a real pope and a fraud?

16:02

maybe the vatican has been a fraud for more than 60 years

16:02

davout: one who is Catholic and properly elected

16:02

Adlai: well, you know someone ineligible cannot be a pope, at least

16:02

have you personally verified the burned ballots of each cardinal?

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*

Adlai is not well-versed in the eligibility of the last few [anti]popes

16:03

Adlai: the become pope, one must first be a Catholic; the antipopes in Rome aren't Catholic

16:03

Luke-Jr i think you need to shut the fuck up about this god delusion you keep having

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*

Adlai thinks people who think they aren't deluded need to be a bit more diplomatic about their opinions

16:04

Luke-Jr: Is it the current one that really annoyed you?

16:04

one isn't called to entertain every form of idiocy on equal terms

16:04

Luke-Jr: how is the current "anti-pope" not catholic?

16:04

Adlai and be more political and more pretending too

16:05

Vexual: all heretical antipopes "annoy" me

16:05

davout: he denies Catholicism

16:05

Luke-Jr: at what point does your interpretation of catholicism differ from his?

16:05

what hapens if a pope and an antipope come in contact with each other?

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kakobrekla: i don't think i've been politically correct or pretending. in case there's any doubt, i also think that there's some level of delusion involved... but i also value conversation over insult

16:06

thx davout

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:P

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Adlai you cant converse about nontopic

16:06

kakobrekla: And don't forget more cookies http://www.mybestdaysever.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG_4364.jpg

16:06

... ( http://bit.ly/16q17Rg )

16:06

oh it got danielpbarron

16:06

Adlai: that was the point actually

16:06

/topic

16:06

davout: many points, by now; their key heresy is called Modernism - the belief that doctrine changes over time http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10415a.htm

16:06

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Modernism ... ( http://bit.ly/16q1bjT )

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(using that heresy, they then proceed to deny other doctrines easily)

16:07

Come on Guys, there hasn't been a Pope since Brutus stabbed Kaiser

16:07

there hasn't been rock since jesus built his church on it

16:07

http://www.cmri.org/02-v2decrees.html contrasts some of the Modernists' core heresies with the Church's teaching

16:07

Decrees of Vatican II Compared with Past Infallible Church Teaching ... ( http://bit.ly/16q1drZ )

16:08

Pretty clothes and incence, yep, it's catholic

16:08

but at the end of the day, we are just humans interpreting the words of other humans

16:08

jborkl

Luke, how do you understand math and science, yet still hold onto these beliefs? I really do not understand how that happens

16:08

Adlai: not really

16:08

some of those are written, some of those were made up yesterday; but the situation is still the same

16:08

jborkl: science led me to these beliefs

16:08

jborkl lack of oxygen in the first couple of minutes of birth does that.

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Since MP is on vacation all of the cookies for kakobrekla http://thecraftingfoodie.com/images/old/6a014e8748a9fb970d019aff7aae92970b-pi.jpg

16:10

lol ty.

16:11

BingoBoingo, my missus makes things like that

16:11

cazalla: Probably because they are delicious

16:16

Luke-Jr: my issue with anti-modernism is that we only really know what's modern. anybody who tells you that something isn't modern, and is the original doctrine, could just have made that up yesterday (or N years ago), and been fooling everybody ever since

16:16

adlai: modernism does not mean "modern"

16:17

adlai: Catholicism has always made a big deal of any attempts to change doctrine; one couldn't do that unnoticed

16:18

so, you're trusting the people involved in catholicism AT EVERY POINT IN TIME to not have changed it

16:18

anyhow, the modernist antipopes can be cited as using the heresy modernism to justify their other heresies

16:18

who knows wtf happened in the 13th century during a famine

16:18

adlai: none could have changed it, that's my point

16:19

adlai: you're also ignoring divine providence - God wouldn't allow any such an attempt to succeed

16:19

Anyways the legit Catholic Church historically is the Cyproit church.

16:19

adlai: (and if you assume God is fake, then there's no basis for caring about Catholicism, so that's not really an argument)

16:19

why wouldn't he, as a test, to guage how many people are suckers, and will believe what people say from under a fancy hat or behind a pulpit?

16:20

!up brussels

16:20

*

adlai has no assumptions about God, maybe we should define that concept first...

16:20

adlai: God has many times allowed heretics to gain power - but He promised that His Church would prevail

16:21

adlai: during the Arian crisis, there was only a few bishops who remained Catholic

16:21

yet in the end, the Church survived

16:21

[22:59:44] <+Adlai>Luke-Jr: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch <- well humanity sure as fuck didn't choose Luke-Jr to be the Bitcoin monarch.

16:22

fluffypony: nor did I ever claim to be one

16:22

so brave, Luke-Jr

16:22

so brave

16:22

!up diametric

16:22

yay i can join in the games now

16:22

lol

16:23

*

Luke-Jr ponders if he can continue this from the car

16:23

so first, as a former gentoo dev, Luke-Jr go fuck yourself.

16:23

diametric: I love you already

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that can probably be continued from the car

16:23

diametric: no u

16:24

Luke-Jr: i'm interested to hear how "science led me to these beliefs"

16:24

*

Luke-Jr wonders what kind of former Gentoo dev hates USE flags

16:24

probably the kind that doesn't like when patch names aren't consistent across package versions :)

16:25

adlai: basically I easily refuted many false religions, then found I couldn't do the same for Catholicism

16:25

definitely can't do that justice, much less from the car, though LOL

16:25

Science lead dank to living out of a storage unit...

16:25

adlai: patch names?

16:25

picture if you had to set USE="-cyanide" or everything you put in your mouth will be cyanide-enabled by default, and no one will see it fit to warn you.

16:26

asciilifeform: except in this case, it's actually a good thing and not cyanide, and you get a clear warning before you install it

16:26

Good to who?

16:26

Your phone?

16:26

the only reason a rational person would disable it, is if they wanted to harm Bitcoin.

16:26

Luke-Jr: so far you have failed to make a case why your turd is a sausage and we should in fact be eating with relish.

16:26

Luke-Jr: the names of use flags. the latest hubbub seems to be people complaining about the change from "ljr" to "extra"

16:27

adlai: I changed it back, since there does seem to be preference for "ljr" now and the reason makes sense.

16:27

(in addition to all of the last hubbub)

16:27

adlai: I had only changed it to "extras" on request from someone in the previous thread

16:27

"this transaction is spam because it isn't associated with a USG approved ID and taxed accordingly"

16:27

danielpbarron: I said nothing of the sort.

16:28

lololol

16:28

guilty conscience much?

16:28

danielpbarron: no, just stamping out your strawman

16:29

Catholicism is a snare and a racket. If you're going to have belief in a higher power, at least choose a religion that isn't controlled by a central body with billions of USD at stake.

16:29

danielpbarron: your argument is like saying "cyanide is bad, so I shouldn't consume vegetables"

16:29

Luke-Jr: 'spam' debate aside - how do you intend to filter the dice txes when the dicemeisters let go of the idiocy of reusing addrs ?

16:29

it's funny how quickly people assume that all foes are agents of one arch-nemesis, when really just... shit happens. nature is not your friend. etc

16:29

asciilifeform: no idea, maybe impossible then

16:30

fluffypony: well, Luke-Jr just said recently that the [current] vatican is no longer an authority on catholicism

16:30

Luke-Jr: so surrender now. if your mod had any traction at all, the victims would escape within seconds.

16:30

adlai: lol

16:30

adlai: hate the player not the game, and all that

16:31

asciilifeform: why? as long as it's easy to filter spam, might as well

16:31

fluffypony: hate leads to the usg side of the force. just play, have fun, go home, hope you don't get mugged on the way.

16:31

it must suck to be universally accepted as mind-numbingly stupid and yet not have the intelligence to be introspective enough to see it within yourself and change for the better

16:31

Luke-Jr: i dare guess that much of the hostility to your 'spam filter' mod comes from the expectation that it is a 'camel's nose in the tent' for a dynamic, centrally-controlled censor mechanism. because anything short of that would simply dissipate like a fart in the wind in the face of any kind of organized resistence whatsoever.

16:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7130 @ 0.00060758 = 4.332 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7170 @ 0.00060562 = 4.3423 BTC [-] {2}

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*

adlai wonders whether it's helpful to look at the potential attacks on bitcoin as spam to be censored... or as a challenge to be accepted

16:33

Luke-Jr: even if we all despised the dice men as much as you did, named filter is still monumentally stupid;

16:33

;;google enumerating badness

16:33

The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security: <http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/>; Enumerating Badness: The latest way Facebook conspires to ...: <http://www.oxy.edu/information-resources/blog/enumerating-badness-latest-way-facebook-conspires-destroy-you>; The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security.pdf: (1 more message)

16:34

ie, why is the debate about blacklists, and not scalability

16:34

asciilifeform: I fear with your efforts you're trying to teach a mentally challenged child how to interpret Chaucer...

16:34

adlai: conv was about blacklists because an infamous fool who pushes blacklists logged on and started crapping into #b-a

16:34

asciilifeform: that would make sense; people seem to assume something monumentally stupid is worthless, but in practice it isn't.

16:35

asciilifeform: well yes, this comment was aimed more at Luke-Jr

16:35

adlai: because the "debate" is run by trolls; the sane people have mostly been supportive once they learn what it's actually about

16:35

!s war has interest in you

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1 results for 'war has interest in you' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=war+has+interest+in+you

16:35

the mental gymnastics involved here are very revealing

16:35

but the debate (no quotes needed, it's very real, otherwise you wouldn't be engaging it) is also a great waste of your energy

16:35

you. personally. Luke-Jr. are wasting energy on this.

16:36

!s you may not be interested in war

16:36

5 results for 'you may not be interested in war' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+may+not+be+interested+in+war

16:36

Luke-Jr: let's suppose that we agreed with your 'blockchain environmentalism' philosophy, and wished to expell the dice men. say they start to switch addrs daily. what will you propose as a counter-attack?

16:36

adlai: you should ask him how far his Tonal Bitcoin efforts went

16:36

Luke-Jr: don't lie and say that it won't be a remote-updated kill list. because that's the only answer - other than surrender.

16:36

Luke-Jr: even if you succeed, you have admitted yourself that there are rather trivial ways for the entities you're trying to filter, to sidestep your filters

16:37

asciilifeform: no

16:37

adlai: yes, there is - but they haven't done it yet

16:37

adlai: for me, part of this isn't so much the spam filtering, as much as it is trying to combat monoculture

16:38

the arms race having not yet picked up speed is not exactly an invitation to speed it up

16:38

adlai: node operators are just outsourcing their decision-making to a central group of developers

16:38

this is a problem

16:38

Luke-Jr: so you'll surrender if opponent so much as lifts a finger in opposition? or do you have some 'round two' answer that doesn't involve centrally-controlled zap lists.

16:38

that's true

16:38

Better places to fight monoculture.

16:38

Luke-Jr: why not make a patch that lets people dynamically enter filters into a running, compiled, program?

16:38

preferably through the QT interface because then I never have to know it exists

16:38

asciilifeform: there is a more long-term solution that would help the current case AND your proposed daily-changed-addresses case, which once implemented, I do plan to propose for mainlining

16:39

asciilifeform: but it does not involve any central lists

16:39

this doesn't need to be hardcoded precompilation

16:39

just let each running node choose [whether to, and] whom to filter

16:39

adlai: they already do - but it's "hardcoded" because that's simpler

16:39

Luke-Jr: say what it is, then

16:39

Luke-Jr: Is this the "filter all address reuse" idea

16:39

adlai: any Gentoo user can customise the list easily

16:39

BingoBoingo: essentially, yes

16:40

brb, moving to car

16:40

jesus taking the wheel while you chat?

16:40

That broken thing.

16:41

lol

16:41

if a human can carry on a conversation while driving, then the social stigma against that conversation being digital is a failure of technology alone

16:42

I'm not very sure a given homo sapien at random can cary on a conversation while driving.

16:42

also "[adlai's dad] is one of the best drunk drivers I know" - one of his friends

16:42

diametric: wife is driving

16:42

BingoBoingo: I'm not sure a given homo "sapien" at random can carry on a conversation, period :P

16:43

(sapiens, sapientis...)

16:44

<BingoBoingo> I'm not very sure a given homo sapien at random can cary on a conversation. < fixd

16:44

BingoBoingo: it isnt inherently broken

16:44

"im not sure random ppl can tlk rite" < moar fixd

16:44

Luke-Jr: Address reuse in certain cases has great privacy benefits.

16:45

BingoBoingo: ⁈

16:46

Luke-Jr: Services that reuse addresses across multiple customers help to conceal which customer funds are going in of and out of the service http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/

16:46

Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1sxK7Nt )

16:47

reusing addrs may stengthen anonymity but increases your Luke-Jrability.

16:47

idk why are you all still wasting time with someone who digs jesus. it sez on his forehead, 'idiot, can not be reasoned with'.

16:47

lolwut

16:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00061256 = 17.2742 BTC [+] {3}

16:50

asciilifeform: Sounds like if mainlined would be an occassion to go shopping for wagon wheels

16:50

anyhw no links for no

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now

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!up Elio19

16:51

kakobrekla: something like this

16:51

Elio19

thanks

16:51

What brings you around here?

16:51

i apologize for making this a topic of discussion

16:51

kakobrekla: there are degrees in catholisrry tho

16:51

tbs, if thats MPs blog, I doubt it says anything sane

16:51

Elio19

BingoBoingo, im on vacation

16:52

Ah

16:52

TSLA plunges below 200

16:52

First people leave here on vacation, and now people come here on vacation.

16:52

!up diametric

16:52

davout sure, theres idiots who can tie shoes and theres idiots who cant.

16:53

BingoBoingo: thank you for enabling my laziness

16:53

It's just about naptime you your enablement is going to be hampered next time

16:57

asciilifeform: You may interpret wagon wheel purchase however you like. I'll decline to offer the use case for such a versatile tool at the moment.

16:57

BingoBoingo: i only know of two uses - wagon, and breaking-on.

16:57

BingoBoingo: the argument in that blog post kinda assumes you can't distinguish between inputs from the same address

16:58

asciilifeform: I've seen them just sitting and littering a yard. That's a use.

16:58

adlai: Sure, if only one service does that. If common though confounds assumption of 1 identity 1 address

16:59

adlai: inputs arent even from addresses…

17:00

there's the example of several customer transactions to several business addresses, and several customer transactions to one business address; in both examples, you can see which customer funds have been spent where, and which haven't been touched.

17:01

in the case of multiple business addresses, it's easy, but in the case of the business using a single address, you can still see which input from the customer transactions was used

17:02

*

adlai is still far from sold on this whole address-reuse-helps-privacy thing

17:02

seems more like address-reuse-enables-lazyness

17:03

i don't think address reuse enhances privacy either

17:06

all information deducible from one transaction graph is deducible from the other, and using unique addresses means that unspent transactions aren't [yet] linked to the business

17:07

/rant

17:07

/dogwalk

17:08

actually it's just beginning so an end tag is inappropriate. this is why XML is bad, kids.

17:16

;;ticker --market btce

17:16

BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 321.2, Best ask: 322.768, Bid-ask spread: 1.56800, Last trade: 322.769, 24 hour volume: 7915.53133, 24 hour low: 320.0, 24 hour high: 340.0, 24 hour vwap: 330.0

17:17

;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]

17:17

69.685

~ 51 minutes ~

18:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00061707 = 14.748 BTC [+] {2}

~ 32 minutes ~

18:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25682 @ 0.00062091 = 15.9462 BTC [+]

~ 18 minutes ~

18:59

!up paxtoncamaro91

19:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00060869 = 8.1869 BTC [-] {2}

19:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8967 @ 0.00060209 = 5.3989 BTC [-]

~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~

20:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00062249 = 6.6918 BTC [+]

~ 19 minutes ~

20:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17625 @ 0.00061369 = 10.8163 BTC [-] {4}

~ 34 minutes ~

21:15

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/17/sydney-siege-abbott-refuses-to-blame-islam-for-man-haron-moniss-actions?CMP=soc_567

21:15

Sydney siege: Abbott refuses to blame Islam for Man Haron Monis's actions | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/13vUtaK )

21:15

what a dummy

21:16

the IRA and its motivations are separatist and political in nature

21:16

unlike the war islam is waging on the rest of the world, on the express command of the prophet

21:19

;;bc,stats

21:19

21:20

-1.26, i wonder if this accounts for the general shit quality of miner hw

21:23

kakobrekla, you going to ba in april?

21:24

no, i dont think so.

21:25

aww. it's a new stamp on the passport!

21:25

i hear bitcoins in argentina are dirt cheap too

21:25

well that seems to be the case round the globe

21:26

well, hopefully there will be a rally soon and you change your mind.

21:26

lol i dont mind the rally but has nothing to do with it :)

21:27

the long flight? rotten company?

21:28

3 days is kinda short isnt it

21:29

but that's just the time the rest of us will be there.

21:30

kako hates you

21:30

you should come! it'll be fun.

21:30

i think he hates travelling.

21:30

yes.

21:30

i dont leave the house if i dont have to.

21:31

punkman

backup with deduplication and gpg encryption http://obnam.org

21:31

Obnam - backup program ... ( http://bit.ly/137cE5L )

21:32

i also hate people.

21:32

ask ascii, we high fived over it.

21:32

so you're saying you'll go if ascii goes.

21:32

ok

21:32

lol not fair.

21:33

he must go to show off the rng or smth? :)

21:33

hehe

21:33

he better not show up with the same thing as last year

21:33

so im safe.

21:34

if it even exists by march

21:35

the idea it it wont, so he wont and i wont.

21:35

is*

21:35

gonna miss this xmas deadline :( this 0.35btc has been burning a hole in my wallet

21:37

i can dispose of that for a modest fee

21:37

if its really hurtin that much

21:49

lol!

21:49

*

asciilifeform definitely not showing up with same gadget as last year

21:56

asciilifeform: re: useful classes < at purdue they had welding, but it was always completely booked

21:57

unsurprising

22:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00060208 = 14.9316 BTC [-] {2}

22:11

http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2008/01/03/goodbye-openbsd << vintage whine re: dependency hells

22:11

Goodbye OpenBSD : My Delusional Dream ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1oR9Z )

22:14

asciilifeform: lol

22:14

the new hotness is 'archbsd'

22:15

Very hard for a person to quit heroin, but easy for heroin to quit person!

22:16

!up gabriel_laddel

22:16

*

asciilifeform is at this moment roto-rooting out gnome tendrils from an openbsd box

22:17

<asciilifeform> http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2008/01/03/goodbye-openbsd << vintage whine re: dependency hells << infinite hitpoits, see UNIX haters handbook. (This isn't directed at ascii, but rather n00bs who have not read it.)

22:17

Goodbye OpenBSD : My Delusional Dream ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1oR9Z )

22:17

'dbus-daemon', 'dbus-launch', 'gconfd', etc

22:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16717 @ 0.00059709 = 9.9816 BTC [-] {3}

22:18

I can't keep the kde and gnome stuff straight

22:18

decimation: generally, kde crud won't be on your box unless you actually use kde

22:18

asciilifeform: I'm rather curious as to why you're fixing (for some value of that word - more akin to fixing up a corpse before burial, w/e) up a openbsd box when you've got your own gentoo 'fork'?

22:19

decimation: gnome tendrils get pulled in by virtually every popular xorg app

22:19

gabriel_laddel: good question. answer: machine is a 'toshiba libretto' 233mhz, 64m ram.

22:19

asciilifeform: every time I install rhel6 I have to spend 10 minutes de-poettering and de-gnoming it

22:19

gabriel_laddel: no reasonably-recent linux variant will run on it with reasonable performance.

22:20

asciilifeform: the never ending quest for a bed-ready computer?

22:20

gabriel_laddel: you guessed it.

22:21

that 'toshiba' was as close as i ever got to perfect.

22:23

looks like an oversized nintendo ds

22:24

i have no idea what that is.

22:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00059616 = 9.9261 BTC [-] {2}

22:24

a handheld gaming console

22:24

guessed as much

22:25

its fast approaching ten years of life, im surprised you don't know of it

22:29

asciilifeform: btw, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6328002/emacs-buffer-allocation-using-mmap

22:29

linux - Emacs Buffer Allocation using mmap - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1AljY98 )

22:29

http://imgur.com/9anivva << machine in question

22:29

toshiba libretto 110ct - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alk00s )

22:29

!s doesn't do this for some perverse reason

22:29

0 results for 'doesn't do this for some perverse reason' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=doesn%27t+do+this+for+some+perverse+reason

22:30

this is the thread I was following up on http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-11-2014#930233

22:30

Logged on 21-11-2014 01:14:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: text editor experiment << when you build 'emacs', you can select 'use mmap for buffers' as a compile flag.

22:31

aha

22:31

i vaguely recall this

22:31

perhaps it wasn't a flag, but had to actually diddle the src.

22:33

asciilifeform: if you've information contradicting the stackoverflow question in question please say so. I'm in the middle of building a non-retarted linux distribution and would like to have Emacs as battle ready as possible by default.

22:33

*retarded

22:33

gabriel_laddel: i'm afraid not. you will have to investigate personally. i built my emacs some years ago, and thoroughly forgot.

22:37

'can't delete avahi-0.6.31p10 without deleting cups-libs-1.6.3p0 gtk+2-2.24.20p1 gvfs-1.16.3' << brain damage beyond belief

22:37

asciilifeform: while we're on the subject, is there anything you consider absolutely essential for computing outside of CL+SLIME?

22:38

gabriel_laddel: would you believe, 'midnight commander.'

22:38

but it's definitely an acquired taste.

22:38

i own computers that do not run emacs,slime,cl.

22:39

asciilifeform: does midnight commander have anything over dired?

22:39

but none (discussion limited to modern-ish hardware, rather than collectables) that don't have mc.

22:40

gabriel_laddel: plenty of things.

22:40

gabriel_laddel: will, for example, traverse most known (and, with minor fiddling, unknown) types of archive as if they were dirs

22:41

basic operations mapped to 'f' keys, just like in the ancient 'norton commander' it was originally a clone of

22:41

asciilifeform: kk, added to "the list"

22:41

i've had the keys in muscle memory since i was 6 y.o. or so

22:42

so can't speak for other folks. but several people i've exposed to it are now habitual users.

22:43

asciilifeform: you don't compile the latest emacs 24?

22:44

did, on one box, but with no serious modifications

22:44

generally i never notice anything about new emacs except that one or more of my many elisps pointlessly breaks

22:44

I have been using org-mode to keep track of things, it's okay

22:44

I've definitely noticed that if I add external packages, it tends to make things very very slow

22:48

!up gabriel_laddel

22:52

decimation: Emacs needs threads.

22:53

*

asciilifeform furious that the emacs in that box's ports tree cannot easily build without dbus

22:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.0006032 = 5.278 BTC [+]

22:54

the latter, aside from being a poetteringism, consumes precious memory

22:56

(re: Threaded Emacs, I've already walked that road - don't waste your time. Not going to happen and won't fix the underlying issues with Emacs anyways.)

22:56

asciilifeform: this came up yesterday with the global interpreter lock

22:57

the only alternative is a fine locking mechanism

22:57

neither seems particularly elegant

23:05

asciilifeform: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/hoter.html << I was reading Herr McCarthy's 'dreams of the future' from 1970

23:05

... ( http://bit.ly/137AGhb )

23:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00060278 = 3.1345 BTC [-] {2}

23:05

he has some highly amusing footnotes about how disappointed he is re:ibm & microshit monopoly

23:06

'Some immediately apparent disadvantages are: ... ... I cannot read in bed. The book-size portable terminal will come later. A household may require several terminals or perhaps we may have to compromise with sin and provide a hard copy terminal after all.'

23:06

book-size portable terminal

23:06

^

23:06

*

asciilifeform still waiting.

23:07

lol yeah I figured you would like that one

23:10

!up gabriel_laddel

23:10

!up gabriel_laddel

23:11

well reading in bed and writing in bed arent the same thing.

23:11

kakobrekla: can't speak for others, but my programming is 90+% read/think and 10% write, timewise

23:12

and that's on a bad day.

23:12

and you do all this in bed?

23:12

asciilifeform: you would make a terrible do-o-crat

23:12

kakobrekla: no! but i want to.

23:13

lol. he is even worse than me, wont leave the bed.

23:13

you pair of shut-ins

23:13

you could send morse from a thigh-key to a terminal

23:14

for me bed is hard to get in and hard to get out.

23:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8808 @ 0.00062249 = 5.4829 BTC [+]

23:15

if possible id opt out of it.

23:16

re in bed computing. is there something wrong with a bluetooth keyboard on the lap and a monitor that folds onto the ceiling?

23:16

I wish they made e-ink displays that updated at a reasonable frequency and were large

23:16

gabriel_laddel: plenty wrong.

23:16

gabriel_laddel: for one thing, i refuse to use wireless keyboards.

23:17

or usb.

23:17

the black van man should have to work for his pay.

23:17

Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MXPJ5X.txt )

23:17

!b 7

23:17

asciilifeform: okay, so the monitor folds down with a usb keyboard in some sort of rack attached to it.

23:17

nooo not the usb!

23:18

gabriel_laddel: and when i want to turn over ?

23:18

not to mention holding your arms on your lap (when lying down) would get tiring

23:18

gabriel_laddel: let me guess, you're one of those folks who only lie on their back in bed and never else.

23:18

asciilifeform: What about if the rest of the room rotates?

23:18

asciilifeform have you thought about zero g, how will you think better in bed?

23:19

asciilifeform: nah, all over the place. But I only ever compute in bed while sitting.

23:19

BingoBoingo: then you're in orbit and have other problems like bones dissolving

23:19

you too can start a new life in the off world colonies

23:19

plus muscles atrophy

23:19

plus radiation

23:19

asciilifeform: Sure, but those problems have solutions! Except for the deadliest thing around is the trash problem.

23:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8041 @ 0.00060233 = 4.8433 BTC [-]

23:20

http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/15/feds-graciously-agree-not-to-steal-resta << "Federal prosecutors have stopped trying to steal $33,000 from an Iowa restaurateur who irked the IRS by making deposits of less than $10,000."

23:20

Feds Graciously Agree Not to Steal Restaurateur's Bank Account - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/137FjI6 )

23:21

'Deliberately keeping deposits below that threshold to avoid the reporting requirement is a crime (known as "structuring"), but Hinders was never charged with it. Instead federal prosecutors argued that her bank account had facilitated the crime of structuring, making it subject to civil forfeiture.' << lol!

23:21

crime without a criminal.

23:21

it floats around, in the vacuum, wandering.

23:23

usg vs. $33,000 for a cop-boat

23:23

sad that the confiscation did not proceed;

23:24

there will have to be perhaps a million confiscations, dekulakizations, before 'the sheeple wake'

23:24

*

BingoBoingo thinks outlaw restaurants would be a decent theme for a trip around USia

23:24

I bet outlaw restaurants have good food too

23:24

thing is, reprieves are temporary

23:25

'the art of saying 'good dog' until you can find a proper stone'

23:25

from usg's point of view

23:25

just as the cattle rancher. he will be zapped, when the story is sufficiently forgotten and no longer media-enabled

23:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28431 @ 0.00059498 = 16.9159 BTC [-] {2}

23:28

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5B82TZCEAETTaI.jpg

23:28

... ( http://bit.ly/137Hco3 )

23:28

^Handling Blackmail

23:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6469 @ 0.00059124 = 3.8247 BTC [-]

23:33

"before 'the sheeple wake'" hmmm... I'm sorta under the impression that they're not ever going to wake. the thing with sheep is that they get tend to get slaughtered. after 5-10 years of living the life of American cattle the brain starts to deteriorate from lack of use. threaten them an all you get is pathetic bleating.

23:35

"noooo mr. ss man, I was baaaah, a good baaah bah baaah citizen baaaah baaah"

23:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18844 @ 0.00062045 = 11.6918 BTC [+] {2}

23:36

"no, baaah, not my laambs!" "I paid my baaah taxes!" *bleating continues*

23:37

http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/16/illegitimate-no-photography-arrest-leads << apparently the police arrested this woman and accused her of being a terrorist for the crime of taking a picture of a display-helicopter in a public place

23:37

Illegitimate "No Photography" Arrest Leads to $1.2 Million Lawsuit Victory - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKd4jo )

23:37

more sheeple beating

23:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00062366 = 7.7958 BTC [+]

23:39

"It's a shame that taxpayers have to be on the hook for the criminal actions of their "servants" but it's still good when citizens let police know that there will be some consequences for rights violations."

23:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00062498 = 2.9687 BTC [+]

23:40

gabriel_laddel: But if they do wake, where to go?

23:41

BingoBoingo: dosen't matter really. have you met any American cattle? when the country fails they'll find themselves rejected everywhere / killed outright.

23:41

!up gabriel_laddel

23:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21083 @ 0.00062525 = 13.1821 BTC [+] {2}

23:42

gabriel_laddel: I'm in the middle of the corral. As asciilifeform has mentioned earlier leaving is not easy.

23:42

lol apparently Illinois passed a law that makes it a felony to record a public official without consent

23:42

decimation: Illinois also sucks a big bag of dicks? What else is new?

23:43

In response to the earlier talk of choosing a monarch, it made me think of the way the Mormon church chooses its leader:

23:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6067 @ 0.00062966 = 3.8201 BTC [+]

23:43

BingoBoingo: of course it isn't easy. building Israel into somewhere you might actually want to live wasn't easy.

23:43

current leader chooses people to fill vacancies in a 12 person council, those chosen serve for life

23:43

when leader dies, the longest serving council member becomes new leader

23:43

BingoBoingo: this is however, a good thing. it will leave out the

23:44

so to become king, you just have to outlive all the other leaders

23:44

cattle from "eden", wherever it ends up being.

23:44

decimation: The only local police force called out by name in the UN indictment of the US human rights record? The Shitcago police department. http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/

23:44

UN Report Criticizes United States on Human Rights | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKeOsT )

23:44

lol awesome

23:45

gabriel_laddel: A thing I am experiencing is when one rejects the local bezzel the local bezzel makes it hard to leave.

23:45

Unless one sufficiently accept the role of tame crank.

23:45

it's a good rule of thumb: states which require 'all-party' consent for recording are corrupt as hell

23:45

my in-laws live in illinois, they always complain about the high taxes and lack of any visibile benefit from paying said taxes

23:46

BingoBoingo: You don't have to give up USD immediately if you leave the US.

23:46

PeterL: The one good thing Illinois has are roads downstate... Unless they are under construction.

23:46

PeterL: but the south side of chicago gets their reparations!

23:46

gabriel_laddel: Ah, but where to get USD outside of the bezzel!

23:46

Illinois has obnoxios tollways too

23:47

PeterL: Only up north

23:47

well, I only go up north

23:47

That's a problem

23:47

actually I wouldn't mind tollways if roads were fully privatized

23:48

Illinois just wants to charge thru-travelers extra tax

23:48

Missouri to Indiana or Kentucky to Iowa are toll free

23:48

BingoBoingo: come on. you're telling me that you can't set out for the promised land with 50k cash in your back pocket and be able to figure out some way to a) have bitcoin in the future and b) make enough USD now to live on?

23:50

gabriel_laddel: I make efforts to acquire USD, but avoiding the honeytrap that is the drug business options are limited so I have a tent. Upon leaving with my budget first obstacle is the DEA's pet insecurity problem in Norther Mexico.

23:50

BingoBoingo: sorry, pet insecurity?

23:50

So I wait, plan

23:50

why not go the other way, through Canada?

23:50

gabriel_laddel: Sinaloa and Los Zetas didn't grow themselves

23:51

PeterL: Opposite problem. Too polite.

23:51

BingoBoingo: why not just fly out?

23:52

gabriel_laddel: I think you severely overestimate my USD denominated holdings

23:52

gabriel_laddel: the very reason why it is still trivial to leave usa is the lack of an obvious destination.

23:52

powered paraglider? Fits in the back of a pick-up, fly across border?

23:52

asciilifeform: right. so what I'm driving at is that one must make that destination himself.

23:52

gabriel_laddel: in most cases, yes.

23:53

PeterL: But can paraglider cross Darien without being commandeered for someone else's cause.

23:53

I doubt anyone will stop you if you just walk across the mighty Rio Grande

23:53

BingoBoingo: you're too poor to fly?

23:54

gabriel_laddel: For reasonable definitions of fly, such that goal is permanent escape.

23:54

BingoBoingo: "reasonable definitions of fly" explain.

23:54

gabriel_laddel: Poverty in USia is not just of money, also of passport

23:54

BingoBoingo: they're a couple hundred dollars.

23:54

Money is not the obstacle with passport.

23:55

then what is?

23:55

BingoBoingo: everything I've got to my name fits in two bags. I understand that ascii can't leave because of equipment, but that isn't the situation for most people.

23:55

Pending fucking misdemeanor disordely conduct charge which has been ongoing for quite some time.

23:56

gabriel_laddel: equipment can be replaced, in theory. i can't leave because i'm of no use to anyone elsewhere.

23:57

asciilifeform: really now. you're unusable in, e.g., Israel?

23:57

BingoBoingo: maybe you can just ask for continuances until anyone who cares is gone?

23:57

But to seriously escape USia, even by land one needs a plan that cover not just the simple border crossing, but also the next hop to a candidate for a haven.

23:57

gabriel_laddel: aha. probably don't even qualify as good cannon fodder these days.

23:57

asciilifeform: why?

23:58

asciilifeform: and what do you mean by cannon fodder - 130k/yr slave?

23:58