#trilema | 2014-12-13

!up undata

00:09

why is tienanmen sq such a big deal to americans

00:10

mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2014#461125 << see thread

00:10

Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:38; asciilifeform: for instance, they see their country as having 'sat for the same exam' as the ussr, and passed, while the latter flunked.

00:11

mats: it was a standard 'colour revolution' staged - unsuccessfully - by usg

00:11

im reading the wiki page and loling irl

00:12

<asciilifeform> i never learned why << because ro did 90% of the first 1bn in internet commerce fraud.

00:12

;;gettrust moriarty

00:12

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moriarty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moriarty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moriarty | Rated since: never

00:13

Deaths: 241-2,600

00:13

"BACK ME MY COINS" lol

00:14

Yeah, bitcointalk never changes

00:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00060418 = 7.7637 BTC [-] {2}

00:17

lol over 50k bitcoins. ok this was pretty lulzy.

00:17

so some forum derp used some random "laundering" site ? well... lol.

00:18

Well, what else do they do?

00:18

Because, I mean snackman killed BitBet

00:19

oh right

00:19

lol.

00:20

I mean why abuse a legit wagering operation into an actual mixer when you can trust random derp who advertises a wagering operation as a mixer

00:21

so much for, i made seven figures this year

00:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.000604 = 9.513 BTC [-]

00:26

lulzy McPretenderson https://twitter.com/gawceo/status/543618777565650944

00:26

Over 10% of all the bitcoin network moved to paycoin in the same twenty minute period. Update coming

00:30

!up agorecki

00:31

is there a way to get assbot to stop messaging me every time I join #bitcoin-assets? I got a cloak to avoid the ddos

00:31

assbot should message you 10x more just for complaining

00:32

not that I don't appreciate the warning, of course :)

00:32

!up dooglus

00:33

agorecki: I just find it reassuring to see kakobrekla's motherly protection anywhere I can.

00:34

It surprised me that someone was actively offering assistance for that. Is that guy / gal staff?

00:37

Offering assistance on what?

00:38

getting a cloak

00:39

BingoBoingo lmao where do you find these idiots

00:39

mircea_popescu: I work the lulz mines so better people can keep their minds clean

00:39

Josh Garza, srsly ?

00:40

sorry. was accustomed to lurking

00:40

His legal name is Homero J Garza

00:41

agorecki: Ah, it's fine to talk. Kako's the chan op, but not freenode staff to my knowledge

00:41

Sometime in the next decade this chan will prolly move to a new IRC network

00:41

agorecki not really atm. you can ignore pms from it tho in most clients

00:43

I guess I'll leave the assbot window open... At least then I don't have to bother to close it each time I open my IRC client. I don't want to miss any other messages by forgetting that I put it on ignore

00:44

also works.

00:48

BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8tiRlXLdNw << ru, applied archaeology

00:48

Обнаружен танк времен 2 й мировой Завели! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wLe4Av )

00:49

"100% confirmed: paycoin is officially the most popular coin that's ever launched. I was literally just told: "Josh, you made the coin too popular""

00:49

these "people"...

00:50

Beautiful work getting that tank to propel itself on the flatbed

00:51

BingoBoingo: at one point, they fabricate replacement parts

00:51

Yeah.

00:52

In USia we'd order it from the Chicoms off of Ebay

00:54

Or whatever the .gov alternative to Ebay is

00:55

punkman the fucking lulziest thing about infantile idiots is how fucking convinced they appear that srsly, this is the firs sunrise!

00:56

never before has a scammer doubled down.

00:56

it's not the obvious thing to do when hurting for time.

00:56

etc.

00:57

I just like the part where GAW transitioned from dropshipping other manufacterer's miners to selling "cloudhashing" to selling... hosted wallets?

00:58

is that the paybase thing?

00:58

punkman: The Paycoin/Hashstaker thing

00:59

punkman paicoin is the third step in exactly what bb's described : sell items you don't have / sell items you don't have / scamcoin.

00:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00060645 = 4.6697 BTC [+]

00:59

i gotta say this chan is such a great thing.

00:59

little tidbits like the above i'd be too lazy to make a blogpost about.

01:00

Well, they just released the scamcoin. Maybe tomorrow once there's some more drama the thing might merit 2 or three sentences on qntra

01:01

by tomorrow you mean, once it's 180% the size of bitcoin ?

01:01

mircea_popescu: Of course

01:11

https://github.com/shazow/ssh-chat

01:11

shazow/ssh-chat · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wLhiE7 )

01:12

;;seen shazow

01:12

shazow was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <shazow> was invited here by a fellow named gabriel at some coffeeshop, so don't mind my idling otherwise

01:22

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BingoBoingo almost kind of pities the new scammers. Sinking Harnett was worth 500 of mircea_popescu's BTC. Homero J Garza isn't worth a trilema post.

01:22

yup. exactly how it goes.

01:23

fwiw, sinking pirate was worth 10k of vandroyi's btc.

01:24

Harnett though could have been so much more dangerous if he was allowed to live another year.

01:24

on the same general principle, sinking primeasic was worth kakobrekla's trip to hungary.

01:25

random asic "manufacturer"/scammer today hardly worth the notice.

01:25

Yeah. It's nice to have history stacked up in the past

01:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44353 @ 0.00059768 = 26.5089 BTC [-] {4}

01:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00059046 = 9.2112 BTC [-]

01:31

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/congress-passes-defense-budget-with-troop-benefit-cuts-1.319021

01:31

Congress passes defense budget with troop benefit cuts - U.S. - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1uyD2fk )

01:31

highlights: The $495 billion NDAA blocks the retirement but allows the service to reduce maintain and flying time for dozens of Warthogs to save money.

01:31

It also bars the Army from transferring Apache helicopters from the National Guard to its active-duty units, while allowing the Navy to spend $450 million on EA-18G Growler aircraft and continuing buying three littoral combat ships.

01:31

The $63.7 billion Overseas Contingency Operations portion of the bill increases funding for troops in Iraq, and greenlights an Obama administration plan to train and equip moderate Syrian rebels against the Islamic State.

01:31

lmao

01:31

they shall never learn.

01:31

Coburn said the package of about 60 national park items, which sets aside vast new tracts of public land, could cost the federal government hundreds of millions per year. But his attempt to delay the NDAA and remove the items was rejected.

01:32

gotta keep those parks going.

01:32

"moderate Syrian rebels" lel

01:33

ikr ?

01:33

"i will spend this money on the more chaste girls at the strip club"

01:33

mats: what's wrong with parks

01:33

"to encourage them to take up mcdonalds jobs, because look at all the money they're not making at the strip joint."

01:34

i love parks, but this isn't fiscally responsible.

01:34

Eh, the Growlers are probably more responsible than waiting for EWAR F-35's

01:34

what's a few hundred million compared to 65.7b

01:34

well, when you put it that way...

01:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00060231 = 10.5404 BTC [+] {3}

01:35

plus you know, jobs!

01:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22371 @ 0.00060902 = 13.6244 BTC [+] {2}

01:40

i am not impressed that the growlers and raptors are being flown against ISIL

01:40

setting fire to more money

01:41

a clever manager and the same budget could fund a brigade of farmer warriors indefinitely

01:41

Apparently they are starting to fly an A-10 in sorties there, but... "Parity" All planes are born their way...

01:42

the most sophisticated air frame ISIL is fielding is probably a quadcopter that can manage thirty minutes in the air

01:44

Well, according to Al Jazeera Iran is flying F-4's against ISIL... Talk about cost effective.

01:44

if there was anyone competent at the reins, they'd be doing more than maintaining the A-10s

01:44

Sure, they'd resurect Fairchild or some shit.

01:58

handy tool https://github.com/mooz/percol https://github.com/peco/peco

01:58

mooz/percol · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uyHvi7 )

01:58

peco/peco · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uyHtXp )

02:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005854 = 5.4442 BTC [-]

02:13

punkman: nice

02:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00058248 = 18.5229 BTC [-] {2}

02:26

;;rate jyap 1 New blood.

02:26

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jyap has been recorded.

02:26

!up jyap

02:27

now you can self-voice, use it for good.

02:29

jyap

thanks mircea_popescu

02:29

jyap

i now have stripes

02:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17640 @ 0.00058954 = 10.3995 BTC [+] {2}

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02:57

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 836 @ 0.0012 = 1.0032 BTC

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21639 @ 0.00059173 = 12.8044 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00058169 = 9.307 BTC [-]

03:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0005961 = 5.3649 BTC [+] {2}

03:32

Herr inquisitor has problems http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-12-10/preet-bhararas-insider-trading-record-gets-rocked-on-appeal

03:32

Preet Bharara's Insider-Trading Record Gets Rocked on Appeal - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLDAoi )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14054 @ 0.00058937 = 8.283 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20693 @ 0.00059738 = 12.3616 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4717 @ 0.00058283 = 2.7492 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12929 @ 0.00057725 = 7.4633 BTC [-]

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04:41

all this effort to put up an xmas tree and the kid is scared of it

04:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00057725 = 7.7929 BTC [-]

05:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00057831 = 8.7903 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1800 @ 0.0012 = 2.16 BTC

05:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00057175 = 21.0404 BTC [-] {3}

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05:20

thestringpuller

ha

05:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00056844 = 3.2685 BTC [-] {2}

05:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7119 @ 0.00057831 = 4.117 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00057756 = 13.3705 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00058074 = 11.5858 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23105 @ 0.00057912 = 13.3806 BTC [-] {2}

06:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00058876 = 2.9732 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00057944 = 3.1579 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00059075 = 2.5107 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00059075 = 12.8488 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25426 @ 0.00058042 = 14.7578 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14074 @ 0.0005794 = 8.1545 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10934 @ 0.00057025 = 6.2351 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3350 @ 0.0012 = 4.02 BTC

07:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24479 @ 0.00059209 = 14.4938 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 839 @ 0.0012 = 1.0068 BTC

08:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.000582 = 11.0871 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2497 @ 0.000582 = 1.4533 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3333 @ 0.0012 = 3.9996 BTC

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC

09:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00058339 = 3.092 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.0005865 = 2.9032 BTC [+]

09:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.0005865 = 4.5454 BTC [+]

09:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35406 @ 0.0005873 = 20.7939 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC

10:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00059721 = 7.5846 BTC [+]

10:09

http://www.stripes.com/report-12-sailors-implicated-in-submarine-shower-scandal-1.318869 << mega-lol

10:09

Report: 12 sailors implicated in submarine shower scandal - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1qIUX7u )

10:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7641 @ 0.00059738 = 4.5646 BTC [+]

10:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19435 @ 0.00059703 = 11.6033 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.000597 = 2.2089 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5204 @ 0.0005967 = 3.1052 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15896 @ 0.00058529 = 9.3038 BTC [-] {2}

10:48

xanthyos

WHOAS

10:50

asciilifeform ahh i feel vindicated!

11:04

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 10000 @ 0.0012 = 12 BTC

11:07

adlai

"PayCoin™ uses a new Hybrid Flex Blockchain technique that regularly validates, compresses, and archives old transaction data to creates near-instant transaction times with a light, efficient, and extremely secure blockchain."

11:07

adlai

to creates blockchain

11:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00059738 = 6.5712 BTC [+]

11:15

lol can i short it yet ?

11:15

o wait, all the billion investors don't really exist.

11:17

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 915 @ 0.0012 = 1.098 BTC {2}

11:31

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2974 @ 0.0012 = 3.5688 BTC

11:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79121 @ 0.00059886 = 47.3824 BTC [+] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 943 @ 0.0012 = 1.1316 BTC

11:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13917 @ 0.00060093 = 8.3631 BTC [+]

11:54

scoopbot

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-sexodus/

11:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00060191 = 7.4336 BTC [+] {2}

12:07

fluffypony http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/2134423.jpg?11022014062821

12:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1vLTsB9 )

12:07

*clicks*

12:07

lolwut

12:08

lol.

12:08

i guess guerilla political campaigning ?

12:10

nah, I doubt Malema would have the wherewithal for that

12:11

well i can't terll which way it's intended

12:11

maybe it's anti.

12:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2834 @ 0.00058973 = 1.6713 BTC [-]

12:11

or maybe it's just bored people with an erection from the internets.

12:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00058116 = 7.4098 BTC [-] {2}

12:13

yeah probably that

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00058218 = 6.2293 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00057788 = 1.2713 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13757 @ 0.00058428 = 8.0379 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00059752 = 16.3123 BTC [+] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.00057769 = 9.518 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00058068 = 5.8416 BTC [+]

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13:44

<asciilifeform> or the hell where you're responsible for (and are the only available set of hands) for a missing magic ingredient in six different angry kitchens << lol asciilifeform is the guy who shows up to work to push the right button

13:45

or to have the right button pushed.

13:47

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/49th_parallel_north#mediaviewer/File:49_parallel_waterton.jpg << governmental stotting?

13:47

49th parallel north - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1wN68yX )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30216 @ 0.00057435 = 17.3546 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2084 @ 0.00056759 = 1.1829 BTC [-]

14:00

http://opencellid.org/

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OpenCellID - OpenCellID ... ( http://bit.ly/1wN8pdo )

14:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00058068 = 4.9067 BTC [+]

14:02

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4rVC4ICQAAr65m.jpg:large

14:02

... ( http://bit.ly/1wN8Cxg )

14:12

Mircea, an interesting note about Facebook ads. I think now you can target users by habit, such as people spending money on Facebook credit to buy stuff. So I guess you can filter out bots/junk traffic and target paying gamers who have money to waste and access to credit cards and so on. Although the use for that is limited I suppose to games, mostly.

14:18

<mats> a clever manager and the same budget could fund a brigade of farmer warriors indefinitely << you're starting to sound like undata

14:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25281 @ 0.00058492 = 14.7874 BTC [+] {2}

14:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8712 @ 0.00058733 = 5.1168 BTC [+]

14:20

?

14:23

farming and fighting

14:23

it's in the logs somewhere

14:24

o, well what im talking about is ongoing

14:25

see, iraqi national army (and ANA, too) is mostly composed of peasants

14:25

the enemy is mostly educated ppls, through madrasas n what not

14:25

an uphill battle

14:29

well, that was the enemy composition back when the insurgency was still an insurgency

14:44

Namworld i imagine it's a way to pay slightlymore for the same junk

14:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4238 @ 0.00059281 = 2.5123 BTC [+]

14:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00056759 = 9.2517 BTC [-]

14:49

Ok, here's something you don't see everyday.

14:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14131 @ 0.00056997 = 8.0542 BTC [+]

14:51

Everyone all in on 4 pocket pairs, all consecutive clockwise http://i.imgur.com/DdMDaCd.png

14:51

... ( http://bit.ly/1A4KmUC )

14:53

Considering the odds of getting a specific pocket pair, that's pretty impressive.

14:55

fo sho

14:57

Subject: Congratulations from the Staffs & Members of Google Board Commission.

14:57

From: "GOOGLE CORPORATION COMPANY" <ladomilk@vnn.vn>

14:57

words.

14:57

im shocked anyone else was all in

14:57

Freeroll, not actual $

14:58

that explains it

15:02

Well just the odds of it happening I estimate around 1/20 million, not counting wether you see people's cards or not. Although if it was also all consecutive seats, the odds for that would be 1 in ~200 million I think.

15:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00056997 = 8.6635 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18935 @ 0.00056501 = 10.6985 BTC [-] {2}

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15:36

Namworld, what site is that?

15:40

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan#Blood-Brotherhood_and_Other_Rites_of_Male_Alliance << i suspect the shartup circus is driven in no small part by young guys seeking blood rites or a war of the small band against the world. a hilarious quest for "honorable" victories.

15:40

Jack Donovan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/131c0Xp )

15:40

but hey this donovan character's pretty amusing

15:46

That's 888poker

15:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20065 @ 0.00056997 = 11.4364 BTC [+]

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16:16

!up turntogodnow

16:17

ben_vulpes i suspecrt you're right.

16:19

heh

16:24

http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/Stalin_Epigram << check out this bs.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00057314 = 15.1882 BTC [+] {2}

17:00

ben_vulpes: lol asciilifeform is the guy who shows up to work to push the right button << if you're thinking of my day job (vs moonlight gig, where i also push a button) - that firm folded. i do something quite like actual work now.

17:02

mircea_popescu: http://www.stihi-rus.ru/1/Mandelshtam/58.htm

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... ( http://bit.ly/1vMxKgr )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22243 @ 0.00059164 = 13.1598 BTC [+] {2}

17:11

yeah him.

17:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26923 @ 0.00059876 = 16.1204 BTC [+] {2}

17:12

is И широкая грудь осетина something about tits btw ?

17:12

'broad chest of the ossetian'

17:13

think 'he-man' rather than 'tits'

17:13

but teh dood was from georgia proper neh ?

17:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20838 @ 0.00059948 = 12.492 BTC [+] {2}

17:13

'conan the barbarian'

17:13

is that a mockery of stalin's 'cult of personality'?

17:13

tiflis not being in ossetia in any sense

17:13

mircea_popescu: georgia proper << iirc this is debated

17:14

there's a crackpot 'he's really from xxx' thing

17:14

aha

17:14

i vaguely recall his father (nominal father anyway) being an ossetian

17:15

i just thought who knows, maybe guy favoured large udders from the caucasus in bed.

17:15

i could see why he would.

17:15

lol

17:16

one thing that strikes me about russia is all the little enclaves with turkic/mongol ethnicity

17:16

somehow this is never mentioned on western media

17:16

western media is written for the use of 5 yos with mongoloidism.

17:17

im surprised they use all the letters.

17:17

'western media' is a steady diet of the archetypical 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.'

17:17

lol

17:18

where was that thing about time

17:18

http://trilema.com/2013/america-and-intellectual-relevance/

17:18

America and intellectual relevance pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMzKoM )

17:20

mircea_popescu: america article << are you sure you meant fermat's problem and not poincare's ?

17:20

riemmans's

17:20

damn

17:20

lol

17:20

im sure i meant something.

17:21

lessee

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asciilifeform just came back from an all-day trip to maths library and is brain-addled

17:21

twas poincare yes.

17:22

aha yes

17:24

incidentally, folks tend to forget that perelman refused -two- medals

17:24

the first one - fields!

17:24

then - clay's.

17:24

right.

17:24

asciilifeform: you might be interested in this symposium near you http://www.norbertwiener.umd.edu/FFT/2015/schedule.html

17:24

FFT 2015 - Schedule ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMAtXc )

17:25

decimation: i've 'eaten quite enough of the egg to know that it is rotten.'

17:27

heh

17:28

it's possible that a few speakers might be non-grantsmen

17:28

but it is unlikely

17:28

decimation: deep in the sewage beneath the city streets, there is almost certainly a golden ring. or dozen.

17:28

not even to mention the uranium in sea water.

17:29

I assure you that parts [of the egg] are quite excellent!

17:32

speaking of my rotten old uni, i'm no longer permitted to read the electronic journals for any amount of money

↖

17:32

not much of a loss, however. the good stuff is usually decades-old and findable either in the (shrinking...) dead tree collections, or w4r3z

17:32

but still irritating

17:32

don't they have terminals in the library?

17:33

decimation: they were recently made login-only

17:33

wtf

17:33

and many (most?) journals no longer demand simply an ip within 'blessed' ranges, but actual login

17:33

my 'industrial' library subscription merits checking out of books, but not interlibrary loan nor access to anything requiring a password

17:33

I'm sure the taxpayers of the state of maryland will be pleased with the decisions of their servants working in the state

17:34

i briefly considered subscribing to an 'audited' class (no grade) just to count as undergrad, to score the goods

17:34

so they give you slightly more access than the bums

17:34

but moral principles against giving a scammer what he wants, won the day.

17:34

I'm sure they would charge a hefty fee for the audit

17:35

less than one tenth of the subscription cost of one (!) typical journal.

17:35

yeah

17:35

IEEE for instance, is the mother of all academic scams

17:35

90% of their egg is rotten, maybe 5% is worthwhile, but you must either have the all-access subscription or pay princely fees for the journal subscriptions

17:35

every other major discipline has its own version thereof.

17:36

djb has a rant on ieee's policy w.r.t. works of the federal government: http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html

17:36

... ( http://bit.ly/1vMBPRS )

17:37

IEEE will gladly 'sell' you a work which is public domain

17:38

even with respect to the 'dead trees', the decay is rapid enough to be seen with naked eye

17:38

in any academic library, there are books which are actually about something, and there are also those that were printed to pad a muppet career

17:39

when i came to this place, the latter were perhaps 1 in 20. now they're around half.

17:39

and growing.

17:40

academic librarians, incidentally, are merely doing their jobs. they keep things around which are often-requested, and tend to slowly discard what remains.

17:40

muppets walk in, in search of muppetry (it is an iron law that a work of muppetry must reference other such works)

17:40

of course, how else are you going to hobnob at the conferences?

17:41

take, in contrast, this well-known item: http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www

17:41

On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMCtyA )

17:41

^ no citations.

17:42

the translator did not lose them. they weren't there.

17:44

well, einstein was working in the swiss patent office at the time, he wasn't looking to leech a grant

17:44

the point is that no such thing is printable today.

17:45

true

17:45

he would have had to submit it to some crackpot journal that nobody reads

17:45

al schwartz was rejected from, iirc, a dozen journals.

17:46

the only place you can read his eotvos material is his site, which 'suffers' from '90s www design aesthetic and almost everyone spits on first sight

17:47

because in order to distinguish the work from 'timecube', you need a) at least a year or two of undergrad physics b) a week or so of sweat

17:47

but it is not the case that academia rejected schwartz without reading. they read, all right.

17:48

and treated with much the same reaction as the 'financial academia' reserves for taleb or mircea_popescu

17:51

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00122966 = 3.689 BTC [+] {2}

17:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00059432 = 14.4717 BTC [-] {2}

18:00

https://twitter.com/rundavidrun/status/543480950739308544/photo/1

18:00

Apparently, a sufficient number of puppies can explain any computer science concept. Here we have multithreading: http://t.co/R08OZ08a7k

18:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22468 @ 0.00056889 = 12.7818 BTC [-] {2}

18:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26682 @ 0.00056294 = 15.0204 BTC [-] {2}

18:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8139 @ 0.0005629 = 4.5814 BTC [-]

18:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00059788 = 4.2748 BTC [+]

18:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22420 @ 0.0005983 = 13.4139 BTC [+] {2}

18:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29680 @ 0.00060327 = 17.9051 BTC [+]

18:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00060367 = 10.5039 BTC [+] {2}

18:45

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2087 @ 0.0012 = 2.5044 BTC {2}

~ 26 minutes ~

19:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0006016 = 8.9638 BTC [-]

~ 26 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00058298 = 14.5162 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61957 @ 0.00056057 = 34.7312 BTC [-] {4}

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20:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00058298 = 2.8566 BTC [+]

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20:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00058505 = 17.961 BTC [+]

~ 16 minutes ~

21:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00058505 = 5.9675 BTC [+]

21:07

kakobrekla

stumbled upon this by accident, sorta funny. http://scruss.com/blog/2013/06/07/well-that-was-unexpected-the-raspberry-pis-hardware-random-number-generator/

21:07

“Well, that was unexpected…”: The Raspberry Pi’s Hardware Random Number Generator | We Saw a Chicken … ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4Lfgx )

21:17

Interesting.

21:22

*

BingoBoingo just finished surgery on the laptop. Took forever for a replacement fan to arrive from china that wasn't counterfiet.

21:23

Oh, now Scheme has its own clojure https://www.gnu.org/software/kawa/

21:23

Kawa: The Kawa Scheme language ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4NwZ6 )

21:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00059572 = 16.8589 BTC [+] {2}

21:32

!up Vexual

21:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40076 @ 0.00059063 = 23.6701 BTC [-]

21:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00059063 = 2.0377 BTC [-]

21:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00059719 = 4.6581 BTC [+] {2}

21:50

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC

21:51

;;bc,stats

21:51

21:53

cazalla: At some point your kind will learn to distinguish between flora and fauna

21:55

"your kind", what exactly is that suppose to mean? mmhmmmmmm *black lady*

21:56

needs a z patterned snap

22:00

BingoBoingo: kawa << 'now' ?

22:01

asciilifeform: Another "LISP" in jvm turd runtime

22:01

BingoBoingo: well yes, but it's been around for ages.

22:01

Only just learned it existed

22:01

Has it?

22:01

BingoBoingo: just as 'armed bear lisp' was the original commonlisp-on-jvm

22:01

Ah

22:03

wait what did i do.

22:03

mircea_popescu: You loved too much?

22:05

<asciilifeform> ^ no citations. << ok that's something else.

22:05

no fucking way ?!

22:05

surely mircea_popescu knew that one

22:06

try to recall the old life. with physics.

22:06

no but srsly, no citations ?

22:06

aha.

22:06

there's no wai. i saw it cited.

22:07

it - was cited. but it did not cite.

22:07

oh oh right.

22:12

Pando editor appologizes for good article http://pando.com/2014/12/09/clearing-the-air-around-tor/

22:12

Clearing the air around Tor | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1sqWr1R )

22:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00059364 = 5.788 BTC [-]

22:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCKg1lURSvg << bitcoin the movie !

22:20

Топор (Кацин) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sqWYRj )

22:24

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00123 = 1.23 BTC [-]

22:25

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1021 @ 0.0012 = 1.2252 BTC

22:29

OMG the laptop stays cool for youtube movies!!!

22:37

Burn the axe, it is the Axe's fault!!!

22:42

scoopbot

New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/ford-motor-company-bitcoin-a-trend-for-2015/

22:42

it's sunday so whaddya want..

22:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.137 = 1.507 BTC [+] {2}

22:45

Nice. FU APPLE PAY!!! You go second.

22:46

I can endorse Топор as the bitcoin movie though

22:50

'Bitcoin, Apple Pay and Google Wallet' << mega-lol

22:51

Neither of the latter two can fell a tree or remove a foot.

22:54

google wallet is much like google + in that i have never used nor know anyone that has used it

22:55

cazalla: I tried it once for the hell of it; didn't work

22:55

I know people who use it, but I don't know people who know they use google wallet.

22:55

I slapped my phone on the card reader twice, nothing, gave up never to try again

22:56

This is why if you ever trade BTC for fiat value you never trade it for less than cash in a bag.

23:02

http://pando.com/2014/12/10/its-time-for-tor-activists-to-stop-acting-like-the-spies-they-claim-to-hate << from earlier link

23:02

It’s time for Tor activists to stop acting like the spies they claim to hate | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOcMrD )

23:02

lol

23:06

acting like?

23:07

undata: Acting lik the adversary in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

23:07

Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOdhlA )

23:07

i use google wallet occasionally

23:07

Aka the definitive Obola book

23:08

there's a nice 5% discount subsidized by google

23:08

after associating with my cc its even better

23:08

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asciilifeform was greatly disappointed after reading 'radicals', after mr mold's fanciful 'reviews'

23:09

asciilifeform: Well, notice where the rules came from, Shitcago.

23:10

BingoBoingo: this is how you get poor people yelling "yes we can!" ?

23:10

The "rules" achieved mass publication because they served an interest.

23:10

undata: Indeed

23:11

or "yes we cannabis!" haha

23:11

The "Rules for Radicals" consists of nothing more or less than how to scare the Dailey family into realizing it isn't all poor people who are a threat, just the black ones.

23:12

And both the Daileys and Polaks were sated

23:14

"Rules" solved a specifically American problem and birthed a number of other, specifically, American problems

23:16

To think. If Poland would have just taken Shitcago by force we could have avoided this Obola thing.

23:16

re: google wallet << turns out a guy who worked on 'google checkout' went to buy a bank in Kansas: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/13/small-bank-in-kansas-is-a-financial-testing-ground/?_r=0

23:16

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCeMc1 )

23:17

decimation: Similarly because the people who made the Dwolla Gox-USD portal live in Iowa, Dwolla now lives off of Iowa state payments.

23:17

BingoBoingo: this "creating an external enemy" tactic is a classic move.

23:19

undata: The thing is enemies differ. Flu virus is a different enemy than Saddam is a different enemy than a mugger. In the cases of the latter two either could be turned friend. If either was turned friend that value of each differs on orders of magnitude.

23:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19602 @ 0.00056698 = 11.1139 BTC [-] {2}

23:19

well, the nyt story and his website mention nothing about bitcoin, so he's just an anklebiter

23:20

re: ford motor company << http://www.computerworld.com/article/2859373/ford-dumps-microsoft-for-qnx-unleashes-new-functions-in-sync-v3.html Ford dumped microshit for QNX, a proper RTOS, and apparently the 'infotainment' system works much better now

23:20

Ford dumps Microsoft for QNX, unleashes new functions in Sync v3 | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOeIk8 )

23:21

BingoBoingo: what is the strategy behind creating a "jews" and then turning them into your friend?

23:21

or have I missed the point?

23:22

'open-source QNX platform' << lol. nope.

23:22

dwolla is a name that seemed to jump the shark for web 2.0 names

23:22

basic 'homework' fail.

23:22

undata: There can be plenty ask Lockheed Martin and how much they've made this decade.

23:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14390 @ 0.00058213 = 8.3769 BTC [+] {2}

23:22

BingoBoingo: ah I see what you're saying now

23:22

asciilifeform: yeah, 'journalism'

23:22

'dwolla' and its 'african' consonant cluster seems tailor-made to conjure up images of nigerian spam.

23:22

a "managed" enemy

23:23

undata: Or managed ally. Anything to open the faucet.

23:24

The story of rules is finding common enemies or allies and then applying leverage by derping loudly in numbers until people neglect history.

23:28

!up badon

23:28

badon: How does collecting the shinies go?

23:29

hi BingoBoingo

23:29

BingoBoingo: It's getting pretty exciting from my point of view.

23:29

BingoBoingo: I think the way it's going to go this time around is exactly the same as every other time. First, the precious metals will move (they're dirt cheap now), then the coins.

23:29

I'm considering buying silver bullion for the first time since 2008.

23:30

I got fucked in rhodium 2007-2010

23:30

Yeah, I avoided rhodium, it was far too expensive.

23:30

I have the most sparkling asshole to this day.

23:31

I wrote articles recommending palladium and ruthenium. Both performed very well.

23:31

Right now, I would consider buying palladium again, but silver is much more liquid and reliable as an investment.

23:31

I also bought silver in 08

23:32

I always recomend plutonium

23:32

undata: You did well.

23:32

I also got fucked in 2013 trading BTC for Silver.

23:32

oops

23:32

Hard assets have all been hurting since 2011.

23:32

Inflation has been too low.

23:32

I need to write another article.

23:32

It's amazing though how much people complain about tungsten filled bars and yet the value of tungsten endures.

23:32

AMAZING COMPANY!

23:32

Dang, not enough time for everything.

23:33

This is important though, because I've got predictive powah.

23:33

I've never "invested" in gold bullion. I've bought rare gold coins, and I've flipped gold, but I've never held raw bullion as an investment.

23:34

Although gold is very liquid, for the amounts of money I typically deal with, I prefer food and cash instead.

23:34

That confuses me. SO you've bought a bunch of sausage, but never tasted the delicious pork in itself?

23:34

For more money, then I start looking toward the rare coins.

23:34

I just always skip gold.

23:35

No, I eat the food.

23:35

I don't sell it.

23:35

how do you distinguish 'cash' and 'gold'

23:35

I just hoard it when it's cheap, and stop buying when it's expensive or there's a shortage.

23:35

decimation: cash is always fiat, usually USD or EUR.

23:35

I suppose bitcoin would qualify now too, but Idon't have any.

23:36

Actually, I probably do have some bitcoin laying around here somewhere...

23:36

https://twitter.com/balajis follows the villian simon from 27bslash6.com

23:36

Balaji S. Srinivasan (@balajis) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOgpxP )

23:36

much love from america in 12/13/14

23:37

an auspicious date indeed

23:37

i nearly missed it

23:38

<BingoBoingo> badon: How does collecting the shinies go? <<< thought BingoBoingo made a pokemon reference for a moment

23:39

cazalla: I did, but I'm not sure what that means in new pokemon. I know it exists. Not to what extent.

23:39

http://aljazeera.com/story/20141213232733114428

23:39

Page not found - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCjabd )

23:39

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2014/12/japan-votes-with-abe-set-super-majority-20141213232733114428.html

23:39

Japan votes with Abe set for 'super majority' - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCjfeW )

23:42

http://cybersecurity.upv.es/attacks/offset2lib/offset2lib.html

23:42

Offset2lib: bypassing full ASLR on 64bit Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOh4iM )

23:49

so the S&P500 fell ~4% this week because oil is getting cheaper, even for companies that would obviously benefit

23:51

aslr bypass << snore. if this matters, one has more serious problem.

23:52

asciilifeform: I think the impulse for 'defense in depth' is a good one, the problem is that it simply isn't possible on the von neumann machine

23:53

harvard arch isn't invulnerable, you know

23:53

mats, decimation: i don't like referring to the 'von neumann machine' for this reason

23:53

it is not anything like a complete identification of the retardation of the past 25 years of computer.

23:54

yeah, I understand, the terminology is ambiguous

23:55

mats, the issue is explained in ascii's "bedrock" essay

23:56

actually, my most complete attempt at explanation was here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284

23:56

Loper OS » Seven Laws of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCmhzM )

23:57