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00:04 PeterL I admit I was jumping up and down and shouting at my TV as the MSU Spartans pulled out a tight win
00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00064734 = 27.3501 BTC [-] {2}
00:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00065308 = 6.6614 BTC [+]
00:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00065308 = 11.1024 BTC [+]
00:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21945 @ 0.00063854 = 14.0128 BTC [-]
00:41 thestringpuller cazalla: "I helped run plenty of conferences. I do have an idea. The priority is to make sure you have a conference that runs well enough that people don't notice the problems, and that everyone who paid to attend it gets their money's worth. Who actually paid to make it happen is a bit lower on the priority." << LOL FUCKING L
00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00062711 = 7.4626 BTC [-]
00:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56949 @ 0.0006211 = 35.371 BTC [-] {3}
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01:11 pete_dushenski feliz nuevo ano!
01:11 pete_dushenski ;;later tell peterl am i going to have to do my own post scooping until i'm *completely* grey?
01:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:12 pete_dushenski lots to catch up on...
01:12 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/22/an-exercise-in-buying-17-russian-bonds/
01:12 assbot An exercise in buying 17% Russian bonds | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPngl )
01:12 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/24/the-big-box-store-that-wasnt-and-other-australian-architectural-marvels/
01:12 assbot The big box store that wasn’t, and other Australian architectural marvels | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPnNm )
01:12 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/27/dear-non-violent-cash-strapped-governments-have-you-considered-exile-instead-of-prison/
01:12 assbot Dear non-violent, cash-strapped governments: have you considered exile instead of prison? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPrg2 )
01:13 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/
01:13 assbot Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPp80 )
01:13 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/31/the-search-for-decency-and-the-opposite-of-iatrogenics/
01:13 assbot The search for decency and the opposite of iatrogenics | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPvwk )
01:13 pete_dushenski ;;later tell asciilifeform http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/#comment-7651
01:13 assbot Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydPCYN )
01:13 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:14 cazalla thestringpuller, top fucking kek eh but what can ya do, people love these events for some reason even if they are nothing more than an herbalife pitchfest
01:15 pete_dushenski cazalla: he comes to australia, shits all over our costco monuments and leaves << hey now, i loved your costco!
01:16 pete_dushenski re: conferences << this is an essential post-modern industry
01:17 pete_dushenski every major city is either in the process of building a mega-opulent conferenceplex or has already done so in the last 5 years
01:17 cazalla pete_dushenski, i can't say i've been despite one opening around the corner from here a year ago.. pay to enter? what sort of american scheme is that?
01:17 pete_dushenski melbourne just finished one and sydney's is under construction
01:18 pete_dushenski cazalla if you go on a busy saturday you can just point to someone else in line and say that you're "with them"
01:18 pete_dushenski then borrow someone's card at checkout
01:18 pete_dushenski at least that's what i did last time i set foot in one
01:19 cazalla and then i can get a special deal on 20kg of hfcs eh
01:19 pete_dushenski for your family of 9
01:20 pete_dushenski the last time i was in a costco they didn't accept cash, visa, or mastercard, only amex and debit
01:20 pete_dushenski such a weird flavour of bezzle
01:22 thestringpuller oh its a pete_dushenski
01:23 thestringpuller how come you haven't visited cazalla you big meanie
01:23 thestringpuller LOL
01:23 thestringpuller jkjk
01:23 pete_dushenski thestringpuller heya rap star
01:23 pete_dushenski what so i could give him a foot massage?
01:23 cazalla thestringpuller, let the man tour oz without need to visit qntra office / kids bedroom
01:23 thestringpuller XD
01:24 thestringpuller a drinking buddy!
01:24 thestringpuller lolol
01:24 ben_vulpes ;;later tell gabriel_laddel stumpwm it is, although the nomenclature stems from ratpoison unless if i'm doing my archaeology correctly
01:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:24 thestringpuller "We only accept Amex" << that's the complete inverse of what you normally hear
01:25 pete_dushenski ikr!
01:25 ben_vulpes it's because amex rarely bounces, being a rich person charge card.
01:25 ben_vulpes or has chargebacks, ibid.
01:25 thestringpuller it's also expensive as fuck to accept it as a merchant
01:25 pete_dushenski but the feez!
01:26 ben_vulpes what's the restocking cost for 2 cosco-sized shopping carts?
01:26 ben_vulpes costco*
01:26 pete_dushenski right, you'd think low-margin operators like costco would do the bubble tea store style of cash/debit only
01:27 ben_vulpes most american POS operators are debit/credit agnostic in my experience.
01:27 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: did you ever actually close on any ru bonds?
01:27 pete_dushenski eh their staffs are huge and everything is on the ground floor in big piles
01:27 thestringpuller that's cause the payment processors only validate whether or not the account should go through or not
01:28 thestringpuller it's just a EBDIC file iirc
01:28 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes well... no, not yet. though it seems like an appropriate thing to add to the 2015 resolutions
01:28 thestringpuller I also think the timeout on a credit card transaction wire is like 15-20 seconds
01:29 thestringpuller it's funny how Gavin is all "I want bitcoin to compete with Visa/Mastercard", when anyone in Payment Processing knows those systems are seriously nigga rigged as is.
01:31 cazalla pete_dushenski, i'd wager costco isn't doing too well here. aldi enjoys far more popularity as an alternative to the main 2 coles and woolworths
01:34 decimation re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet
01:35 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: "nigga rigged" << til
01:35 pete_dushenski cazalla speaking of woolworth's, canada used to have a department store by the same name. went bankrupt a couple decades ago
01:36 thestringpuller ;;ud nigga rigged
01:36 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga+rigged | nigga rigged. Half assed way of fixing something that is busted. Often involving duct tape or whatever your broke ass has layin around the house. That fool nigga  ...
01:36 decimation the original woolworths was a southern us store I believe
01:36 pete_dushenski cazalla it was interesting to note where the same names popped up between canada and aus. everything from street names to stores to parks
01:37 pete_dushenski mostly british-sounding
01:37 cazalla we don't have a degrassi afaik
01:37 pete_dushenski lol orly?
01:37 pete_dushenski decimation hmm didn't know that
01:38 thestringpuller LOL pete_dushenski watched degrassi jr. high ?!?!?
01:38 thestringpuller hahaha yus!
01:38 thestringpuller my year has been made
01:38 decimation ah reading wikipedia, apparently the australian version of woolworths just stole the name, no actual business connection to the us store: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolworths_Limited
01:38 assbot Woolworths Limited - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydTV6q )
01:38 pete_dushenski thestringpuller omg no
01:39 decimation same for south africa: "The chain was named after the United States chain F. W. Woolworth Company but, because of the contemporary trademark laws, the name was legally used without permission. No financial connection ever existed between the companies."
01:39 pete_dushenski thieves!
01:39 decimation man one can't get away with that kind of thing anymore
01:40 decimation imagine some bloke in new zealand starting a store called 'walmart'
01:40 decimation bezzle lawyers would sue you out of of your socks
01:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45851 @ 0.00061581 = 28.2355 BTC [-] {2}
01:40 pete_dushenski decimation speaking of things you can't get away with anymore, i was watching a bit of the breakfast club today and... can you possibly imagine a school giving students 8-hour detentions on saturdays anymore??
01:41 decimation lol yeah
01:41 decimation the bitching and moaning would raise hell
01:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1884 @ 0.00062711 = 1.1815 BTC [+]
01:41 pete_dushenski like seriously imagine: no phones, no computers, just desks, writing essays
01:41 decimation my dad (who went to school in the 60's) told me that back then children were reguarlly spanked for misbehavior
01:41 decimation he recalls that the us supreme court stopped all that around the late 60's
01:41 pete_dushenski o for sure
01:42 pete_dushenski my dad got a stick across the knuckles
01:42 decimation somehow that's not even a political issue anymore
01:42 pete_dushenski and both his parents were teachers at the school too so that might've been easy treatment!
01:42 decimation or harsher, as the case may be
01:42 pete_dushenski ya true
01:43 pete_dushenski but parents who found out that their kids had been disciplined at school often disciplined the kid again at home
01:43 pete_dushenski "the teacher is right, you ARE good for nothing"
01:44 pete_dushenski now it's all "bobby is a speshul trainflake"
01:44 pete_dushenski "how dare you give him a 50% on his test!"
01:44 pete_dushenski "think of his self-esteem"
01:44 decimation ugh it's true. read the logs about the german system ca. 1800's
01:45 decimation nearly all the great science of the era came from people who were spanked as children
01:47 decimation lolz http://www.gundersenhealth.org/ncptc/center-for-effective-discipline/discipline-at-home < "How is repressed anger often vented?[due to spanking as a child] By watching TV and playing video games to experience forbidden and stored up feelings of rage and anger, and by identifying with violent heroes. (Children who have never been beaten are less interested in cruel films, and, as adults, will not produce horror shows). "
01:47 assbot Center for Effective Discipline Discipline at Home - Gundersen National Child Protection Training Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bq3kVR )
01:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1362 @ 0.00103033 = 1.4033 BTC [-] {3}
01:47 decimation yeah I'm real sure that lazing around and watching tv is CAUSED by spanking
01:49 pete_dushenski such derps
01:50 pete_dushenski ;;google contravex government funded research
01:50 gribble No matches found.
01:50 pete_dushenski not working eh? maybe time to switch to duckduckgo or something?
01:51 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/08/why-government-funded-research-is-totally-fucking-borked/
01:51 assbot Why Government-Funded Research Is Totally Fucking Borked | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydVQrv )
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02:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6212 @ 0.00061477 = 3.819 BTC [-]
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02:58 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/
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03:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1097 @ 0.001 = 1.097 BTC [+] {3}
03:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00061477 = 15.3693 BTC [-]
03:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00061558 = 23.2074 BTC [+]
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04:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7276 @ 0.00061658 = 4.4862 BTC [+]
04:14 mats http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-01/kaisa-group-defaults-on-52-million-loan-after-chairman-resigns.html
04:14 assbot Kaisa Group Defaults on $52 Million Loan After Chairman Resigns - Bloomberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYH34s )
04:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1671 @ 0.00061904 = 1.0344 BTC [+]
04:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00061904 = 17.3331 BTC [+]
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04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00061474 = 25.2043 BTC [-] {2}
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05:05 ben_vulpes ;;ping
05:05 gribble pong
05:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13743 @ 0.00061586 = 8.4638 BTC [+]
05:12 mats a meow
05:13 mats https://github.com/longld/peda
05:13 assbot longld/peda · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/14hb8iH )
05:13 mats a gdb plugin.
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05:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14360 @ 0.00061586 = 8.8437 BTC [-]
05:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00062051 = 14.9853 BTC [+] {2}
05:42 ben_vulpes ;;ticker --currency xau
05:42 gribble Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.251384, Best ask: 0.25196, Bid-ask spread: 0.00058, Last trade: 0.251376, 24 hour volume: 2712.51049237, 24 hour low: 0.249568, 24 hour high: 0.253896, 24 hour vwap: 0.251760177176
05:50 mats http://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf intel mgmt engine
05:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZ2PFu )
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06:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3098 @ 0.00091325 = 2.8292 BTC [-] {4}
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07:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00062518 = 26.5076 BTC [+] {3}
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07:21 ben_vulpes ;;seen xdotcommer
07:21 gribble xdotcommer was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes, and 1 second ago: <xdotcommer> <- chem noob
07:22 ben_vulpes "ballmer peak" is kind of misleading. it's more of a surfing phenomenon.
07:24 ben_vulpes and to those following along with the "minimum viable bitcoind" saga at home, while createrawtransaction and signrawtransaction entered ~0.7, gettxoutsetinfo is not included.
07:25 ben_vulpes it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush. gettxoutsetinfo + createrawtransaction + signrawtransaction are pretty close to a minimum viable bitcoind.
07:25 ben_vulpes and gettxoutsetinfo by my (late, addled) research doesn't seem to appear before 0.8 something
07:25 ben_vulpes even conformal's implementation doesn't do that.
07:26 ben_vulpes pretty horribly named command, though: "gettxoutsetinfo".
07:26 ben_vulpes nominally, returns interesting data about the unspent outputs pool. the output of which one should be able to grep through to find ones own unspent transactions.
07:27 ben_vulpes i say "should", as verifying this will entail building and booting an 0.8 or later node.
07:28 ben_vulpes i've not found a clever way to encourage "git" to poop "tags" between given commits to STDOUT.
07:29 ben_vulpes anyways, with the unspent outputs pool and ones pk's secured elsewhere on disk, a determined and angry bitcoiner should be able to manage their own wallets with a minimum of fuss.
07:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00061995 = 21.3263 BTC [-]
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08:00 danielpbarron ;;view 21866
08:00 gribble #21866 Fri Jan 2 03:00:52 2015 Kingdom BUY 1.0 video of OTC member for 10 min in a leotard telling a story though dance which moves me. @ 0.3 BTC (None)
08:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11917 @ 0.00062686 = 7.4703 BTC [+]
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08:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00062686 = 12.7566 BTC [+]
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08:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00062825 = 18.2507 BTC [+] {2}
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09:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC [+]
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22764 @ 0.00063338 = 14.4183 BTC [+] {3}
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09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.0006386 = 22.4468 BTC [+] {2}
09:53 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: lol createrawtransaction is pretty thorough for setting up a transaction. i don't think it broadcasts though, just outputs a hash and string
09:55 mod6 sendrawtransaction
09:57 thestringpuller i see how it is mod6
09:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00064345 = 31.8508 BTC [+] {2}
09:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1593 @ 0.00084951 = 1.3533 BTC [-] {6}
10:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2282 @ 0.0008321 = 1.8989 BTC [-] {5}
10:03 mod6 thestringpuller: there are a simple/complex example in here, although, not sure on the accuracy: https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-examples#simple-raw-transaction
10:03 assbot Developer Examples - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZ8HQ5 )
10:03 mod6 https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-examples#complex-raw-transaction
10:03 assbot Developer Examples - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZ8MmO )
10:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1633 @ 0.0008 = 1.3064 BTC [-] {8}
10:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.0007101 = 1.4202 BTC [-] {4}
10:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00064574 = 6.8771 BTC [+] {2}
10:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00071003 = 1.4201 BTC [-] {2}
10:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00064082 = 5.7674 BTC [-]
10:22 thestringpuller mod6: "I run the streets all day, I don't get no sleep."
10:24 mod6 nope!
10:25 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.32065114 BTC. Current weight: 35,755.
10:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00064082 = 18.9362 BTC [-]
10:28 HeySteve wishing you all the best for 2015
10:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14576 @ 0.00064082 = 9.3406 BTC [-]
10:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00064637 = 11.1176 BTC [+] {2}
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11:28 thestringpuller any love for ctags?
11:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40604 @ 0.0006491 = 26.3561 BTC [+] {2}
11:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00065096 = 2.018 BTC [+]
11:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00065096 = 3.4501 BTC [+]
11:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3594 @ 0.00085989 = 3.0904 BTC [+] {2}
11:54 jurov qntra does not have extra section for its own monthly reports?
11:54 thestringpuller goes on the frontpage usually
11:55 jurov i'm interested in previous month, have to google it
11:55 thestringpuller you can go to archives
11:56 thestringpuller and it'll be the last article of each month
11:56 thestringpuller (or at least toward the ends)
11:56 jurov thestringpuller you obv did not do that :)
11:56 jurov otherwise you'd know it's near start of next month
11:56 jurov anyway, found it
11:57 jurov PeterL: abut qntr shares see this: http://qntra.net/2014/12/qntra-s-qntr-november-2014-statement/#comment-2792
11:57 assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2014 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1tyl9xP )
11:57 thestringpuller haha. yea. i'm just a lowly qntra correspondent
11:57 jurov and all others
11:58 jurov will start doing any requests next day after tmrw, or when the shares come, whichever is later
11:59 * thestringpuller imagines MP releasing shares inside his harem on some yacht somewhere.
12:00 jurov iirc it was submarine,no?
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10031 @ 0.00065096 = 6.5298 BTC [+]
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12:35 jurov !t m f.mpif
12:35 assbot Quest for vision is a great blessing.
12:35 jurov i have it too easy
12:35 jurov !mpif
12:35 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021461 B (Total: 469.31 B). Delta: 0.11 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
12:39 mod6 ;;bc,stats
12:39 gribble Current Blocks: 337146 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1541 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45502189987.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.96142
12:39 thestringpuller turn da rigs back on
12:40 thestringpuller hash it up
12:44 danielpbarron http://www.wittyfeed.com/story/1511/2/13-Selfies-Taken-Moments-Before-Death 21-year old Oscar Otero Aguilar lost his life when he tried to take a selfie with a gun for his Facebook page in July of 2014. The Mexican gun enthusiast accidentally shot himself in the head and didn't survive.
12:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be2jSW )
12:57 jurov http://explo.yt/public/btcf_201412.txt.asc
12:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be54DL )
12:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00062488 = 21.902 BTC [-] {2}
12:58 jurov http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201412.txt.asc
12:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be5fiC )
12:59 jurov ^ cazalla the bitcoin foundation and f.mpif statements. i'll make blogposts from them later
13:01 jurov i should prolly make an overview who paid the tax, but such bureaucratic overhead would cause them to rise :DDD
13:07 thestringpuller is anyone paying the tax?
13:07 thestringpuller i've kept an eye on the depository but can't distinguish tax vs donations
13:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00061771 = 10.1922 BTC [-] {2}
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13:35 jurov iirc mpoe and bitbet did
13:35 thestringpuller gotcha
13:36 thestringpuller i hope MP includes it in future statements
13:39 jurov well.. it is already these 2 months
13:42 thestringpuller ah
13:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00092685 = 4.6343 BTC [+]
13:45 * jurov looks at thestringpuller sternly
13:47 Bet placed: 20 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1080/ Odds: 6(Y):94(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.93238982 BTC. Current weight: 39,772.
13:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7739 @ 0.00060996 = 4.7205 BTC [-]
14:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 322 @ 0.00464998 = 1.4973 BTC [+] {2}
14:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00062079 = 9.0635 BTC [+]
14:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1898 @ 0.0009208 = 1.7477 BTC [-] {4}
14:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2618 @ 0.00090001 = 2.3562 BTC [-] {3}
14:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2511 @ 0.00061198 = 1.5367 BTC [+] {3}
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00063477 = 18.9479 BTC [+] {3}
14:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 202 @ 0.00699998 = 1.414 BTC [+] {3}
14:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00064363 = 19.6629 BTC [+] {2}
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00064582 = 6.4259 BTC [+] {2}
14:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1901 @ 0.00095079 = 1.8075 BTC [-] {4}
14:36 kakobrekla !up null123
14:39 HeySteve just found a holiday project http://www.stormthecastle.com/catapult/mark-thomas-modified-ogre-catapult.htm
14:39 assbot Modified Ogre Catapult ... ( http://bit.ly/1xD7cT4 )
14:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00064757 = 12.8866 BTC [+] {2}
14:50 ben_vulpes jurov: thanks!
14:52 ben_vulpes fwiw, i don't see any need for tracking donors. anonymous charity is best charity.
14:53 ben_vulpes (but also many thanks to our supporters :))
14:53 mod6 indeed. :]
14:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.0006427 = 12.6291 BTC [-] {3}
15:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00062802 = 13.7222 BTC [-]
15:05 Bet placed: 1.25499999 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.7199 BTC. Current weight: 53,006.
15:16 scoopbot New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-december-2014/
15:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00064435 = 11.7594 BTC [+]
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15:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00065096 = 3.385 BTC [+]
15:44 cazalla thestringpuller: is anyone paying the tax? <<< qntra yet to turn a profit, i'm yet to sell any shares so i don't believe i owe any, no gains from anything else to speak of
15:46 thestringpuller Should just be BitBet and MPOE
15:50 thestringpuller ;;seen nubbins`
15:50 gribble nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: * nubbins` scampers
15:50 thestringpuller oh damn nubbins` has vanished too :(
15:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52496 @ 0.00065219 = 34.2374 BTC [+] {2}
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16:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31519 @ 0.00063345 = 19.9657 BTC [-]
16:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00062912 = 15.3505 BTC [-] {2}
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16:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63950 @ 0.00061724 = 39.4725 BTC [-] {6}
16:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.0006143 = 9.2452 BTC [-]
17:06 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/new-bitcoin-foundation-releases-year-end-report/
17:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00061404 = 4.1448 BTC [-] {2}
17:15 mircea_popescu ahh, happy new year everyone!
17:15 mircea_popescu and now, to the log!
17:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7727 @ 0.00061131 = 4.7236 BTC [-]
17:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00060886 = 8.524 BTC [-]
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86173 @ 0.00060104 = 51.7934 BTC [-] {6}
17:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00062749 = 16.001 BTC [+]
17:37 mod6 wb mircea_popescu
17:38 mircea_popescu how goes mod6 !
17:38 mod6 it goes! been busy. :)
17:39 mod6 foundation got a lot accomplished in December, but still have at least one defect to eradicate.
17:40 mod6 hopefully, won't be too bad.
17:40 mircea_popescu :D
17:40 mod6 how was time afk?
17:45 mircea_popescu actually... ok at first, but it wears thin pretty fast.
17:45 BingoBoingo http://nknetobserver.github.io/
17:45 assbot Your Friendly North Korean Network Observer by nknetobserver ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7nlMp )
17:45 mircea_popescu i ended up fucking reading, which is roughly the equivalent of a gamer that ends up firing his nintendo gameboy because fuck this "real world" shit.
17:45 thestringpuller huh?
17:45 mod6 heheh i hear ya
17:46 thestringpuller game gear is where its at
17:46 mircea_popescu low tech b-a, on dead trees. because the dirty little secret nobody wants to admit is that people sorted by geographical proximity yields an incredibly limited and ultimately boring set.
17:46 thestringpuller you nintendo fanboiz pffft
17:47 mircea_popescu that's why we don't fucking talk to people on the bus, in the train, at the bank. because outside the novelty of it, it's so god damned boring.
17:47 mircea_popescu thestringpuller nono it was just an example.
17:47 thestringpuller srsly tho, how can b-a be as boring as florida?
17:47 mircea_popescu uh ?
17:47 cazalla thestringpuller, game gear + tv = blown away back in the day
17:49 mircea_popescu !s sporadic
17:49 assbot 13 results for 'sporadic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sporadic
17:49 mircea_popescu look at that, like two weeks. wonder how long this'll take.
17:51 thestringpuller cazalla: yah i think it did for all da kidz
17:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2014#954797 << here's what blacklists are : some inept "Architect" designed a house that doesn't stand up, so some of the construction crew are left behind supporting walls and whatnot with their backs.
17:51 assbot Logged on 16-12-2014 19:11:15; jurov: prolly not many
17:51 mircea_popescu how long can this last ? and why would anyone do that instead of you know, architecture school ?
17:51 thestringpuller because architecture school is hard
17:51 thestringpuller you have to do maffs and stuff
17:51 mircea_popescu "the cock is hard" is no excuse.
17:52 mircea_popescu if it weren't hard then yeah, one'd be excused.
17:52 mircea_popescu but when teh cock is hard, there's work to be immediately done.
17:52 thestringpuller funny, the PE requirement really do force out the n00bs, at least in this state
17:54 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 321 @ 0.00383342 = 1.2305 BTC [-] {4}
17:56 mircea_popescu whoa this Luke-Jr getting murdered thing... apparently b-a does a perfectly fine job of rendering derps with or without mp.
17:56 mircea_popescu encouraging.
17:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31663 @ 0.00061415 = 19.4458 BTC [-] {3}
17:58 mircea_popescu "mats: but yes. be less poor." is this in the bash even ?
18:01 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: this "spam on the blockchain" is only a thing because blocks go unfilled for the most part << exactly.
18:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8374 @ 0.00085687 = 7.1754 BTC [-] {10}
18:04 mircea_popescu Luke-Jr: Adlai: I favour absolute monarchy and small government. <<< afaik that's pretty much ... the majority view here ?
18:05 mircea_popescu "Adlai: what criterea would you expect a monarch to use when picking a successor?" <<< welcome to the "none of your business, pleb" side of the monarchy stick. why would you expect you're qualified to discuss that ?
18:06 mircea_popescu anyway, there's no "bootstrapping" a monarchy just like there's no training a virgin. a monarchy exists because it exists, if it does. that's all it can do.
18:09 mircea_popescu Adlai: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch, or conclude that a currently serving (because it's both a privilege and a duty) monarch is incompetent << humanity does not pick a monarch. and a monarch is not serving, the humanity is serving. if it doesn't [do a good job] of serving, or if it's not lucky to get stuck with a good monarch, it will diminish and eventually extinguish. while both of thes
18:09 mircea_popescu e are essential matters for its future, only serving is much in its control, and even then, rather vaguely.
18:12 mircea_popescu !up GuyJean
18:26 ben_vulpes hola mircea_popescu
18:26 mircea_popescu Vexual: Luke-Jr: Is it the current one that really annoyed you? << im pretty sure he held the same opinion at the time of jp2. since then there's been one who... abdicated ?!?! (i didn't know they could do that) and all sorts of innovative bs. i can readily see his argument, in that the papacy since perhaps Pacelli has little to do with what is preserved in the literary record of the renaissance and a lot more to do wi
18:26 mircea_popescu th its historical roots during the french years.
18:26 mircea_popescu hey ben_vulpes !
18:28 mircea_popescu Adlai: kakobrekla: i don't think i've been politically correct or pretending. in case there's any doubt, i also think that there's some level of delusion involved... but i also value conversation over insult <<< how do you distinguish ? "insult" is a subjective construction, like love. it has nothing to do with phenomenology.
18:34 mircea_popescu "Luke-Jr: adlai: Catholicism has always made a big deal of any attempts to change doctrine; one couldn't do that unnoticed" << now s/catholicism/bitcoin/ and pray. i know ben_vulpes is at times worried on the score.
18:37 ben_vulpes block scarcity must be preserved!
18:46 mircea_popescu *: Luke-Jr wonders what kind of former Gentoo dev hates USE flags <<< always fascinating just how facetious this dude gets. i wonder if they have like, a special school in Stupid Kingdom or it just somehow naturally occurs. like radon pouches.
18:48 mircea_popescu fluffypony: Catholicism is a snare and a racket. If you're going to have belief in a higher power, at least choose a religion that isn't controlled by a central body with billions of USD at stake. << "if you are going to use shitty software, at least use some fly by night operator rather than microsoft" ? not logical, this. obviously you want the biggest, richest one there is.
18:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: 'spam' debate aside - how do you intend to filter the dice txes when the dicemeisters let go of the idiocy of reusing addrs ? <<< why idiocy ?
18:50 mircea_popescu fluffypony: it must suck to be universally accepted as mind-numbingly stupid and yet not have the intelligence to be introspective enough to see it within yourself and change for the better << guy's wilful. intelligence can do relatively little, and it generally manifests in people who don't have much will to speak of.
18:53 mircea_popescu "Where do anti-good ideas come from? They come from misguided attempts to do the impossible" quite.
18:54 gernika hello from buenos aires
18:55 mircea_popescu o hey there. how you liking it ?
18:55 gernika loving it
18:56 gernika beautiful city
18:57 mircea_popescu mhm
18:57 mircea_popescu didja score any local tail ?
18:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00059782 = 13.152 BTC [-]
18:59 gernika no. my wife would not approve of that
19:03 mircea_popescu oh :p
19:04 mircea_popescu Over the course of my career, I've noticed that dramatically fewer of the "early adopters" build successful, secure, mission-critical systems.
19:05 mircea_popescu i've noticed trhe same. in fact, on a broad look, i fail to think of any particular field in which early adopters are top performers. not even idle chit-chat, where they should be supported by their endless stream of novelties.
19:05 mircea_popescu they don't; get better sex, they don't drive better cars, live in more comfortable houses or enjoy happier lives.
19:05 mircea_popescu in fact, "early adopter" will probably go the way of nigger : from a statement of fact to a slur.
19:06 gernika even early adopters of bitcoin?
19:06 mircea_popescu anyway, this ranum thing is pretty great : http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ it even cites feynman
19:06 assbot The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSYcGr )
19:06 mircea_popescu gernika they're all bankrupt. look at the people who adopted before me, see who's still moving.
19:08 gernika mircea_popescu: ok so early adoption stopped in 2010?
19:09 mircea_popescu mid 2011 actually ?
19:09 mircea_popescu obviously everything's going to become "Early" as time goes by, but you gotta draw a line somewhere.
19:10 ben_vulpes sub dollar.
19:10 ben_vulpes sub ten dollars.
19:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19734 @ 0.00061302 = 12.0973 BTC [+] {2}
19:10 ben_vulpes sub hundred.
19:10 ben_vulpes etc.
19:11 gernika early adopters are a strange sort
19:11 mircea_popescu yes. like lunatics.
19:11 mircea_popescu !up badon
19:11 gernika self sacrificial almost
19:13 badon thanks mircea_popescu
19:13 mircea_popescu how's the pm racket
19:16 gernika mircea_popescu: i do notice a sigificant police presence here.
19:16 mircea_popescu where ?
19:16 mircea_popescu oh in ba ? maybe they've got a game or something.
19:16 gernika mircea_popescu: palermo
19:17 gernika no sign of crime though except bars on everything
19:18 mircea_popescu Number of visits: 141,392 - Average: 141 s.
19:18 mircea_popescu ;;calc 141392*141 / 3600
19:18 gribble 5537.85333333
19:18 mircea_popescu gernika i wouldn't be too worried, argentine policemen are harmless.
19:24 mircea_popescu mats: i apologize for making this a topic of discussion <<< it was kinda lulzy.
19:25 mircea_popescu adlai: in the case of multiple business addresses, it's easy, but in the case of the business using a single address, you can still see which input from the customer transactions was used <<< but it's meaninless.
19:37 kakobrekla >Fuck, the NEWSBTC site said people who are “against paycoin” are “cryptoextremists”.
19:38 kakobrekla lulz
19:44 cazalla yeah, that site was sold in november because the guy running couldn't keep up the pace of coindesk seeing they're funded by gaw adverts and newsbtc was not at that time
19:44 cazalla i was going to write up a big time line of past 2 days events with this gaw garza shit but i'm quite over it all
19:57 cazalla 38c, windy as fuck, watermelon vine taking a beating :\
20:00 mircea_popescu o hai kako
20:01 kakobrekla heya
20:01 mircea_popescu cazalla as a general rule, the two bullet approach is probably best. (news outlet can write on any matter at most twice)
20:03 mircea_popescu mike_c: i hear bitcoins in argentina are dirt cheap too <<< nah, they just don't really exist. yet.
20:06 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: i dont leave the house if i dont have to. << this can turn into a debilitating issue you know.
20:06 cazalla mircea_popescu, yeah, i'll leave the mac 10 spray it everywhere and hope it hits to someone else
20:07 mircea_popescu :p
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20:33 cazalla damn, so many fires http://i.imgur.com/15QgmZY.png
20:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1D14Ge7 )
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00059507 = 17.7628 BTC [-] {2}
20:37 mircea_popescu mats: looks like an oversized nintendo ds << irlol
20:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: 'can't delete avahi-0.6.31p10 without deleting cups-libs-1.6.3p0 gtk+2-2.24.20p1 gvfs-1.16.3' << brain damage beyond belief <<< "can't delete usg without deleting roads and the sky above".
20:39 mircea_popescu the exact sort of interested stupidity the gnomes like to peddle.
20:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: just as the cattle rancher. he will be zapped, when the story is sufficiently forgotten and no longer media-enabled << "we never forget. expect us."
20:48 mircea_popescu the media is not the point here.
20:51 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: dosen't matter really. have you met any American cattle? when the country fails they'll find themselves rejected everywhere / killed outright. << the younger females will still be usable.
20:51 mircea_popescu which really is the best outcome of a failed civilisation anyway.
20:52 mircea_popescu PeterL: so to become king, you just have to outlive all the other leaders << this is a good half of what the catholics used to do too.
20:52 mircea_popescu punkman hey, deeds ?!
20:53 mircea_popescu what the hell's going on with that thing, what has it been, a straight month /
20:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the very reason why it is still trivial to leave usa is the lack of an obvious destination. << this is not much unlike proposing that the reason the gun's not fired is "because the bullet has nowhere to go".
20:55 mircea_popescu when it fires, it fires. it'll go wherever it goes.
20:56 decimation https://web.law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday << happy public domain day, the day that nearly nothing enters the public domain (under us law)
20:56 assbot Public Domain Day ... ( http://bit.ly/1D18FHC )
21:06 mircea_popescu heh.
21:07 decimation the 'window' for new copyright expiration will open in 2019 I think (right now, frozen at works copyright 1923 and earlier)
21:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: i'm a... sorta what naggum was. <<< ulcerous misanthrope ?
21:08 decimation someone should start a bitbet that disney et.al. will get congress to save mickey mouse again
21:08 mircea_popescu decimation i dunno, seems to me all sorts of bathroom pics as well as sony's latest crud got public domaine'd just fine
21:08 mircea_popescu (and yes they're about same-value items)
21:09 decimation well, of course. that's why they fear old works going into public domain - they are well aware that old works are generally superior in nearly all aspects
21:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If USia disappears Israel probably becomes untenable as a state <<< i have my doubts. for all their noise, the palestinians do not seem genuinely interested in running a state.
21:10 mircea_popescu taking old western women for all the charity they're worth, sure. actually working ? meh.
21:10 mircea_popescu they're like greeks, except on the other side of the same old sea.
21:10 decimation they have an interest in running a mafia it seems
21:10 mircea_popescu that's always fun.
21:10 decimation or at least, a semi-criminal organization
21:11 mircea_popescu PeterL: If US disappears, then many of the other US allies will be having problems, so will be unable to help Isreal << fwiw i suspek the us is on the balance of things more of a problem than a solution.
21:12 mircea_popescu so yeah the allies will ahve some new problems. easier to solve than their current problems that alliance is causing.
21:12 decimation yeah I suspect Israel would be able to figure its shit out with out the us just fine
21:13 mircea_popescu if there's no longer a "public opinion" in the sense that term has been abused by usian know-nothing all-one aunt pollies, all sorts of anal child behaviour will necessarily go away.
21:13 mircea_popescu there's not large groups of unemployed but healthy youths swarming around crossroads glaring at passengers in places that arent usistans.
21:14 mircea_popescu random example : somehow the black community in buenos aires - which is ACTUALLY being oppressed into the dirt - is neither hostile nor in any case fearsome to anyone.
21:15 mircea_popescu somehow they can go about peacefully earning their existence.
21:15 decimation I suspect that all the Palestinians who have more ambition than scamming old women or stealing 'aid' money have already left the place anyway
21:15 mircea_popescu so no, it's not "genetic", and pointedly no, the statal measures intended to help do not in fact help, they massively hinder.
21:15 mircea_popescu decimation wouldn't you ?
21:15 decimation absolutely
21:15 mircea_popescu right.
21:17 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled <<< what makes you thik he'd be in a position to write it ? guy never left australia.
21:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1568 @ 0.00089999 = 1.4112 BTC [+]
21:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: for instance, afaik, white man anywhere in east asia is either a miserable wretch, a hermit, or largely confined to an enclave of his own kind. <<< from what i hear it's mostly "just grab any girl and fuck her, ask later".
21:18 mircea_popescu i guess it depends on the sample.
21:19 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: absolutely correct. should be something more along the lines of "unemployment rate for skilled programmers". <<< programmers who depend on some sort of regionalized unemployment rate can't possibly be all that skilled.
21:20 mircea_popescu and god help me this log is tough... barely on the 17th ?!
21:20 decimation it gets much thinner later
21:21 mircea_popescu that's a releif.
21:22 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel: wtf is even being discussed. <<< nerds doing metaphores. it's a sight.
21:25 TomServo calc
21:25 * TomServo derps.
21:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally. << you're on the public record owning a majority of s.nsa lol.
21:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: iirc, that was mircea_popescu describing the virtues of working on inventions in a yurt <<< iirc that was mostly a joke built on the probleblems of garbage collecting.
21:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: PeterL: i do in theory, but it doesn't work yet <<< an asset is not predicated on whether it works or not lol. whether you own the house and whether anyone's paying you rent for it so far are different matters.
21:36 mircea_popescu holy shit Luke-Jr raises kids and plans to buy sheep, has no clue about anthrax before reading up on b-a ?
21:36 mircea_popescu !up AdrianoOliveira
21:36 mircea_popescu these logs are like better than average.
21:37 AdrianoOliveira thanks!
21:40 mircea_popescu sure.
21:41 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum. <<< kako is like our blind slovenly prophet. he knows teh truths!
21:41 BingoBoingo http://www.wired.com/2015/01/dangerous-people-internet-right-now/?mbid=social_twitter
21:41 assbot The Most Dangerous People on the Internet Right Now | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1xoo3u8 )
21:42 mircea_popescu mats: no buttcoin option <<< considering what they want to do is "continue development" i'd much rather they never got a dime anyway.
21:42 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> holy shit Luke-Jr raises kids and plans to buy sheep, has no clue about anthrax before reading up on b-a ? << Why so surprised?
21:42 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo at some point you run up against the inevitable "how did this guy make it so far"
21:43 mircea_popescu i suppose that's the best proof he's entirely correct on his religious observances. his continued existence -> best miracle yet.
21:43 BingoBoingo Sheer inertia of luck
21:43 mircea_popescu which is exactly the proper context to link ...
21:44 mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/
21:44 assbot Assorted Fruits of Wrath ... ( http://bit.ly/1xoozbx )
21:46 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/geewoks/
21:46 assbot Geewoks ... ( http://bit.ly/1xooODz )
21:46 mike_c you're on the public record owning a majority of s.nsa lol. << he actually doesn't own any
21:47 mike_c lots of options though
21:47 mircea_popescu i think that qualifies.
21:48 mircea_popescu otherwise if you could skirt reporting by structuring instruments nobody'd own anything anymore.
21:48 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KJPE0R.txt )
21:48 BingoBoingo !b 4
21:49 mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/semifinal/ << this one rocks actually.
21:49 assbot Semi-Final ... ( http://bit.ly/1xopokF )
21:51 mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/hotbuttons/ ahahaha jesus she's been on a roll
21:51 assbot Hot Buttons ... ( http://bit.ly/1xopF79 )
21:52 decimation yeah that last one was pretty good
21:52 decimation "you can't just curse a district to democracy" lol
21:52 mircea_popescu nono, it's "you can't just A then B"
21:57 mircea_popescu http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/12/17/changetip-must-die/ << o look, the world outside is starting to figure out reddit is made by the retarded, for the retarded, and everything it touches smells ?
21:57 assbot ChangeTip Must Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1xoqw7W )
21:57 mircea_popescu iiiincredible.
22:00 thestringpuller yea it's a good article
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22:18 decimation !up ascii_modem
22:18 decimation lol ascii are you logging in from the arctic
22:20 ascii_modem nah just from not home.
22:21 ascii_modem turned this thing on just to put to record the vomitory power of the 'changetip' piece
22:22 mircea_popescu aha ?
22:22 ascii_modem subject & critique both
22:23 ascii_modem 'brigaded a nobel laureate' ahaha
22:23 mircea_popescu "First of all, every time I strike up a random conversation with a stranger, I discover that they have already heard about Bitcoin. Every. Single. Time."
22:23 mircea_popescu this is my experience too. then again, it has been, for a while.
22:23 ascii_modem 'academics fixed flaws in protocol'
22:23 decimation yeah I find that to mostly be the case, except all the know is that mt gox got hacked
22:23 mircea_popescu "We need to work as a community to buy advertising like normal people, and perhaps work on our collective image."
22:24 mircea_popescu lmao.
22:24 mircea_popescu who is this idiot.
22:24 mircea_popescu decimation this is also true, but adding a "they donate grains of sand" isn't much of an addition.
22:24 decimation no that's fucktarded
22:24 mircea_popescu After years of acting like enfants terribles, perpetrating a prosecution complex, fearmongering about an inflationary collapse that refuses to happen, veering into antisemitic rants about Jewish bankers, blaming Mt. Gox victims, brigading a Nobel laureate, badmouthing core developers, attacking researchers including yours truly (for finding and even fixing a flaw, and making predictions that were later borne out; you k
22:24 mircea_popescu now, things that were actually good for Bitcoin),
22:24 mircea_popescu again, who is this derp ?
22:25 decimation bitcoin is for entities to move money, not for the little people to pay hobos
22:25 mircea_popescu somehow when i say "Gün Sirer" no "flaw that was fixed" pops intoi memory.
22:25 mircea_popescu lol and of course disqus comments.
22:26 mircea_popescu anyway. "clean up the act" = no more tim sweneys and other gun sirers, plox.
22:26 ascii_modem meat - is for flies, by god. ask any fly
22:27 mircea_popescu meanwhile, intel has the "flaw" in question. from the selfsource : http://hackingdistributed.com/2013/11/04/bitcoin-is-broken/
22:27 assbot Bitcoin Is Broken ... ( http://bit.ly/1tHPuzJ )
22:27 mircea_popescu "Bitcoin is broken. And not just superficially so, but fundamentally, at the core protocol level. We're not talking about a simple buffer overflow here, or even a badly designed API that can be easily patched; instead, the problem is intrinsic to the entire way Bitcoin works. All other cryptocurrencies and schemes based on the same Bitcoin idea, including Litecoin, Namecoin, and any of the other few dozen Bitcoin-inspi
22:27 mircea_popescu red currencies, are broken as well."
22:27 decimation "Some people seem to believe that microtipping can bring about the end of advertising. This doesn't quite make sense, because microtip systems like ChangeTip cut out the platform operator: a user directly transfers a tiny amount to another user, leaving out the platform (e.g. Reddit, Twitter, etc)."
22:27 decimation lol
22:28 mircea_popescu basically, they dressed up the ancient block withholding attack, a fully documented andf fully fixed problem cca 2012
22:28 ascii_modem if i had a satoshi for every academtard who went 'this thing diesn't implement lamport's byzantine consensus...'
22:28 mircea_popescu typical us-style academic, dress up something commonly known in the trade for a grant, act as if he's done science.
22:29 ascii_modem naggum's 'library of cheap books'
22:29 decimation oh no, imagine a world where twitter and reddit were cut out of business! inconceivable!!
22:30 mircea_popescu advertising is a dead thing anyway. the cattle processors don't need to advertise to the cattle, the rest of the world doesn't want the cattle.
22:31 decimation yeah. the future is content for the minority willing to pay; porn for the masses
22:31 mircea_popescu isuppose either of these could be rechristened "advertising"
22:32 mircea_popescu but in point of fact it'd have as much truck with that concept as the present day us has with a constitutional republic.
22:32 kakobrekla ;;seen ukyo
22:32 gribble ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
22:32 kakobrekla ;;seen ukto
22:32 gribble ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 6 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Ukto> I dont want to work on anything other than weexchange heh
22:33 mircea_popescu wait, asciilifeform wasn't even on a cloaked connection ? what, the haxxor gave up and went away ?
22:33 mircea_popescu fucking unreliable haters.
22:33 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-12-2014#957549
22:33 assbot Logged on 19-12-2014 19:38:15; kakobrekla: btw ddos is gone (temporarily?)
22:33 mircea_popescu aha.
22:34 mircea_popescu in memory of that great joke,
22:34 mircea_popescu !s beer cunt
22:34 assbot 1 results for 'beer cunt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beer+cunt
22:34 mircea_popescu "16-11-2014 bitbethelp: so, cazalla, what's your plan on running qntra when it's going to be down 7x24 if it gets any sort of traction?"
22:35 mircea_popescu then guy's never heard from again. because yes, totally. that's what permanence means, two weeks' worth of three hourlong intervals.
22:36 undata I've been uncloaked thanks to freenode derpitude several times, never ddosed
22:36 decimation hey, he exposed your fucktarded routing for free!
22:37 mircea_popescu Bloke sitting at the bar when a woman comes in and sits on the stool next to him, he buys her a drink and asks her name. "Carmen" she says "Because I like Cars and Men, whats your name?" "Charlie Beer-Cunt"
22:37 decimation heh
22:38 decimation actually your servers became stronger when faced with adversity from the spammer
22:38 decimation thus, some degree of anti-fragility. but it wasn't in the software, or the networking - it was in the people running things
22:40 mircea_popescu well for one thing it bestowed upon me a huge list of wordpress blogs which can be used to leverage a packet stream about 1mn x and automattic does not want to fix.
22:40 mircea_popescu for another thing it gave me an elephant rifle to shoot at some dreamhost employe derp
22:40 mircea_popescu and in general... lemons an' melons.
22:41 decimation yeah exactly. it was an interesting thing to watch unfold
22:41 cazalla lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r58kd/what_happened_to_this_subforum_all_posts_about/cnco6u3
22:41 assbot theymos comments on What happened to this subforum? All posts about some shitty altcoin? Moderators on strike? WTF? ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJp6BW )
22:42 mircea_popescu imagine this, by the way : after three months of the practical equivalent of going to people's houses and leaving them a post-it note, the fix rate is under 1%.
22:42 mircea_popescu well under 1%.
22:42 mircea_popescu i think the derps who imagine their publishing of threat advisories and so forth actually does anything are off their rocker.
22:42 decimation it's worse then that - that n00b escalated to the designer of wordpress and was shot down
22:43 mircea_popescu the entire "security holes are in there deliberately" dirty secret is getting more and more air.
22:43 mircea_popescu thanks the bitcoin.
22:43 decimation I suspect he didn't want to bother writing the code required to intelligently filter pingbacks
22:43 mircea_popescu nope.
22:43 decimation why not let the little people suffer when you can rake in the $$$ and push the costs onto others
22:43 mircea_popescu i suspect they literally are under orders to maintain a certain structure on the webs. one where the middle class so to speak can at any time be ganked by "nefarious", "mysterious" entitites that are not either.
22:44 mircea_popescu basically the usg is trying (through its "vc" agency) to run the web exactly the way it's running the country : use the poor to scare the productive.
22:44 mircea_popescu !up gabriel_laddel
22:44 mircea_popescu !up soypirate
22:45 mircea_popescu and it'd work just fine, too, if it weren't for btc. this construction where someone could be a secure billionaire and not part of the usg club simply wasn't being planned for.
22:46 decimation no, that's pretty much the glue that holds usg together (quashing folks before they pose a threat)
22:47 mircea_popescu it's all such retarded virginal bullshit, too. why shouldn't folks pose a fucking threat!
22:47 mircea_popescu "o noes, what could happen". sigh.
22:48 decimation this guy http://www.reppep.com/~pepper/resume/ wrote another paul graham rebuttal >> https://medium.com/@reppep/paul-graham-appears-confused-about-supply-and-demand-labor-and-visas-and-great-programmers-d1d4854bc928
22:48 assbot Chris Pepper's Resume ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpiRH )
22:48 assbot Paul Graham Appears Confused about Supply and Demand, Labor and Visas, and “Great Programmers” — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpiRN )
22:49 mircea_popescu cliffnotes ?
22:50 mircea_popescu "In particular, if IRET executes on a writeable kernel stack (this was always the case before 3.16 and is sometimes the case on 3.16 and newer), the assembly function general_protection will execute with the user's gsbase and the kernel's gsbase swapped."
22:50 mircea_popescu bwahahaha o god.
22:51 decimation "But be honest. H-1B visa demand is not high because companies are striving for excellence. The visas are being used to preserve the existing labor market (salary levels) rather than paying higher salaries as dictated by supply and demand. Paul’s suggestion would help US companies find employees, but drain brainpower from the rest of the world, and leave the US workforce uncompetitive for US jobs. "
22:52 mircea_popescu ...
22:52 Bet created: "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1092/
22:52 mircea_popescu so the author is struggling with brain damage.
22:52 decimation which is pretty much what ascii was saying (paul graham wants cheap coolies)
22:52 mircea_popescu how is that not striving for excellence ?
22:53 mircea_popescu i mean, yes, it's what stan & everyone sane's been saying about it, but dressed up in a clown costume for some reason.
22:53 Bet created: "Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/
22:54 mircea_popescu "The Centralized Zone Data System (czds.icann.org)
22:54 mircea_popescu The attacker obtained administrative access to all files in the CZDS. This included copies of the zone files in the system, as well as information entered by users such as name, postal address, email address, fax and telephone numbers, username, and password. Although the passwords were stored as salted cryptographic hashes, we have deactivated all CZDS passwords as a precaution. "
22:54 mircea_popescu im taking bets the thing was md5.
22:54 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: what makes you thik he'd be in a position to write it ? guy never left australia. << He (or another) can supply the aforementioned article without getting up from their chair all that often. I'm just looking for some basic/tedious research - not boots on the ground scouting (though I am not opposed to this).
22:54 mircea_popescu "For additional information about the attack, please monitor the ICANN website." "we're still not using gpg tho, so you'll never know."
22:55 decimation well, they have an unsigned webpage
22:55 decimation like the toilet stall in the truck stop
22:55 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i get it i get it, my point was more along the lines of, nobody can really do this for you, as a "consumer" sort of thing.
22:55 mircea_popescu it';s not really a pret-a-porter sort of job.
22:56 mircea_popescu decimation point being, if we monitor "the site" and something appears there, all we know is that either the attacker put it up or icann did, and it's either true or false.
22:56 mircea_popescu which... i'd rather monitor definite things.
22:56 adlai now we're fucking talking http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/
22:56 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 10 months 2 weeks | weight: 100`000 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpxMJ )
22:56 mircea_popescu heh that's not happening.
22:56 adlai easy money if you fall over sue the government?
22:57 mircea_popescu wait wut ?
22:57 decimation while asciilifeform reinvents data transport, he ought to consider reinventing dns
22:57 mircea_popescu dns needs to go die in a fire.
22:57 mircea_popescu if anyone wants prettified shorthand for resource locators, let him write his own symlinks.
22:57 * adlai was pretty pleased about the changetip bitbet
22:58 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: programmers who depend on some sort of regionalized unemployment rate can't possibly be all that skilled. << this is true, however if an economy thinks itself of being in dire need of programmers anyone with a brain can fly blind into the country and remain relatively assured of their future prosperity without having to put too much thought into it. This is going to go away at some point in the futur
22:58 gabriel_laddel e, but for now...
22:58 mircea_popescu if all the idiotic websites could not in fact control their own domain name, imagine all the chilling effect on the idiocy of "branding" and generally the stupid internet.
22:58 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel my point was more along the lines of, unless you actually work in hardware maintenance, you are connecting to your job over the internet anyway.
22:59 adlai all the internet branding will rely on middlemen, until your audience learns pgp
22:59 mircea_popescu if you're hired for chair warming rather than sshing you are really not much better than the pr chicks.
22:59 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: also, thanks for upping me. my keys got destroyed in a botched backup and I don't know if I'll be able to recover them. until I sink some time into that task - no L2.
22:59 mircea_popescu o.O
23:00 Bet created: "JPY to top 140 per USD in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1094/
23:00 mircea_popescu im sending sexy_saffron over to your house to whip you.
23:00 decimation no she's too busy whining about b-a on tard's news
23:00 gabriel_laddel r.e., chair warming, there is such a thing as interpersonal chemistry.
23:01 mircea_popescu decimation nah it was proven that wasn't her.
23:01 gabriel_laddel sometimes it's nice to interface with people - mostly - no.
23:01 mircea_popescu your hunch was correct.
23:01 decimation yeah I'm being silly, hopefully mr. spam learned his lesson
23:02 mircea_popescu undata: what is this doublespeak where they 'stand by their filmmakers' while scrapping the film? << business as usual ?
23:02 undata yep, and they caved yet again to 'bama and released the thing
23:03 undata the film's probably garbage either way
23:03 decimation yeah in retrospect the whole sony thing was a crass marketing ploy with usg cooperation
23:05 undata how does a language retain its meaning?
23:05 gabriel_laddel again, r.e., chair warming. Maybe I'm the odd one out here, but I've had the distinct pleasure of interacting with people who I enjoy seeing on somewhat regular basis.
23:06 undata I wonder too if the degradation of the language isn't a major factor in the decline of a civilization.
23:07 BingoBoingo <undata> the film's probably garbage either way << Actually not bad. It's a typical Seth Rogen movie. People who like that sort of flick will enjoy it, other people won't.
23:08 decimation Thomas Cole painted the decline of empire > http://www.isegoria.net/2015/01/the-course-of-empire-2/
23:08 assbot The Course of Empire « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpRe8 )
23:08 gabriel_laddel <mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel i get it i get it, my point was more along the lines of, nobody can really do this for you, as a "consumer" sort of thing. << So you do all your research by hand? Also, do you have a rotating 3D globe on your computer that allows you to highlight/heatmap known uranium deposits, nuclear reactors, oil reserves, population stats etc.?
23:09 mircea_popescu undata yeah i imagine it is.
23:09 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel but that is a wholy distinct matter from working and job discussions.
23:10 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: please elaborate?
23:10 mircea_popescu ok, let me summarize this so perhaps you see it for the transactional (psych term of art) pseudoreasoning i see there.
23:11 mircea_popescu you establish that A is desirable. you then deny A on the grounds that B, which is unrelated.
23:11 mircea_popescu when B is pointed out to be unrelated, you bring in the discussion C, which is not only unrelated to B, but also to A.
23:12 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "JPY to top 140 per USD in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1094/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.
23:12 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.
23:12 Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1092/ Odds: 98(Y):3(N) by coin, 98(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.
23:13 mircea_popescu !up gesella
23:13 mircea_popescu on the structure of that, should C be pointed out to be unrelated the subject'd normally become aggressive.
23:15 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: A = programmer unemployment rate, B = you do all your research by hand?, C = 3D earth populated with interesting information?
23:15 BingoBoingo !up ascii_modem
23:15 mircea_popescu nah. A = living in the us ; B = being employed at computerizing ; C = meeting people who fuck enjoyably.
23:15 decimation !up gabriel_laddel
23:16 mircea_popescu or whatever your definition of "enjoy personal interaction is", i suppose the discussion as to how all that = fucking is too much to meld in here.
23:16 ascii_modem lol programmer unwhateverthefuck rates
23:19 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: thanks for explaining. This aside I must admit I'm interested in knowing if you've got the 3D earth populated with all sorts of interesting information.
23:19 mircea_popescu sort-of
23:19 decimation who doesn't derp with google earth?
23:20 mircea_popescu actually i don't use it.
23:20 mircea_popescu (why would i give google info ?! not like they're pickig up my intel bills ?!)
23:20 gabriel_laddel decimation: you can't mod google earth, can you?
23:20 decimation sort-of
23:21 decimation you can load custom kml files to plot various things
23:21 decimation they charge a shitload of $$$ to actually use their 'pro' tools
23:21 ascii_modem from g.earth i learned the one solitary fact that the yard i played in as a boy is now a parking lot. boo/hiss.
23:21 decimation I think 'high-end gis' types typically use arcgis tools
23:22 mircea_popescu ascii_modem this seems altogether a common experience.
23:22 decimation I think NASA even made a google-earth knockoff called "world wind" that you can use 'off-line'
23:22 mircea_popescu whenever girlie takes me on a virtual trip of her childhood space, it's usually "o shit, a parking lot ?!"
23:22 decimation cars gotta park, need garages, free highways
23:23 ascii_modem it parks six rattling toyotas , too. when i was there i would have sworn it would land a bomber.
23:23 mircea_popescu ^
23:24 decimation the median us resident without a car is pretty much just a hobo
23:24 mircea_popescu it's not like the us can actually compare with i dunno, the russians on car pools.
23:24 ascii_modem was small. world - big
23:24 mircea_popescu they generally drive cheap crap.
23:24 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: do you depend on opengl, use 2d, directx, proprietary graphics library written in assembler...?
23:24 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i am fortunate to not be much of a visual thinker.
23:24 mircea_popescu i use stuff like grep.
23:25 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/theymos-claims-josh-garza-is-sending-him-legal-threats-to-have-content-removed/
23:25 decimation tables & text > graphics
23:26 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I'm not a visual thinker either - at least, never have been described as such. That said, GUIS are nice in certain circumstances.
23:27 mircea_popescu decimation not sure if really >, because i used to be total shit in geometry, all the chicks doing pretty much an impersonation of elaine with the tyres "saw" things that took me days. nevertheless, it DOES do a lot for reducing one's ability to... be scammed, i guess. slef scamming especially, where you end up making unfounded assumptions that arew predicated on whatever weird visual crap going on.
23:27 ascii_modem tyres?
23:27 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel sure, but the gui of "google earth" is a needles contrivance.
23:27 mircea_popescu lemme find it.
23:28 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgOdMSIAH1Q
23:28 assbot Elaine Benes Watching Tires Spin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJqswE )
23:28 decimation I often find myself distracted by 'pretty graphics' rather than looking at the content
23:28 ascii_modem don't confound 'graphics' with 'mouse gui'
23:28 ascii_modem not automagically same
23:28 decimation no, I'm writing about a presentation meant to communicate
23:30 decimation there's a thing in academia/business where graphics (esp. on a powerpoint) are held as some kind of standard for communication
23:30 decimation ed tufte made the point that baseball scores are a giant dense table, and are comprehensible by someone with a 4th grade education
23:31 mircea_popescu so you know, put it on google maps, so you can drink the presumption that the us is a lot larger than canada while doing whatever else.
23:33 ascii_modem visual scams << carnival / conjurer trickery ?
23:33 mircea_popescu (and since we're doing this ; russia's almost larger than the sum of them. and this is without the rest of the "all-union" landmass)
23:34 mike_c latitude is important though
23:34 mircea_popescu ascii_modem just the very simple fact that if i say "a man" then that's that, whereas if you try to show "a man" you won't be able to. which is how most films are shittier than the books they're based on. the forced mistake of having to provide all the data visual requires to work.
23:35 mircea_popescu mike_c for technologiclaly inferior tribes, yes, it is.
23:35 mike_c hehe
23:35 ascii_modem if big fat landmass could uproot, get up, walk over & sit on small landmass's face till its guts pop out - sure
23:35 mircea_popescu in this sense, "having holly nearby" is important too
23:35 ascii_modem but generally not how works
23:35 mircea_popescu if you're a roman veteran about to get dismissed
23:35 mircea_popescu ascii_modem except no "embargo" by the small against the large ever worked in fucking history.
23:37 ascii_modem when 'large' is an abo reservation that can't even refine own molybdenum - works
23:38 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/353J55N.txt )
23:38 BingoBoingo !b 6
23:38 mircea_popescu this theory is always intellectually appealing, like the theory that you can get rich by cornering the market.
23:38 mircea_popescu people occasionally get cocky enough to try. it never works out. the reasons it never works out aren't directly palatable, so the dream remains.
23:38 gabriel_laddel ascii_modem: do you have any favorite organic chem programs or books you'd care to recommend?
23:39 ascii_modem gabriel_laddel: for what?
23:39 mircea_popescu Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: tx fees != non-spam << o.O
23:40 mircea_popescu dude how long did the luke wankfest carry on ? by now it's like one of those fabled 3 day weddings.
23:41 BingoBoingo Well, it took... about 3 days
23:41 ascii_modem gabriel_laddel: try chemgroup's 'MOE'
23:42 gabriel_laddel ascii_modem: thanks. a concise phrasing for my project still hasn't come to mind....
23:46 decimation !up gabriel_laddel
23:46 decimation !up ascii_modem
23:46 ascii_modem ty
23:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who has 60 hour battery now ? << do a battery time / mips or flops thing to for fairness.
23:51 ascii_modem wins still
23:51 ascii_modem if this is re: old thread about hp lx - it had passive matrix unlit lcd
23:52 mircea_popescu some reddit threrad you made me read.
23:52 ascii_modem and nothing today - save wristwatch - has.
23:52 decimation some calculators maybe
23:52 mircea_popescu the lit lcd bs is absolutely insane. i use brighness at 1-2% on all these lcd things.
23:52 mircea_popescu it'd be so much more helpful if they simply didn't backlight them with evil fucking uv diodes
23:53 ascii_modem unlit != modern with light off
23:53 ascii_modem need reflective backing . and must be monochrome
23:53 decimation I recently found f.lux for macs and redshift for linux
23:53 mircea_popescu ascii_modem doesn't have to be ancient tech!
23:54 ascii_modem colour lcd absorbs far too much light to be reflectively lightable.
23:54 decimation they both allow you to 'redshift' your screen to match the local night-time
23:54 mircea_popescu but no, they can't light them on orange or something. gotta be that god awful pseudo-white
23:54 decimation unfortunately they don't dim brightness
23:54 ascii_modem also all extant dimmable backlights use pwm
23:55 ascii_modem and i can see the chop.
23:55 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Obligatory slogan: "Come and get Tanked!" << better yet, "tank top off tuesday"
23:55 decimation ascii_modem: even LED backlights?
23:55 ascii_modem esp those
23:55 mircea_popescu where chicks come with their tank tops to sit atop your tank's top and take their tops off
23:55 undata ascii_modem: I spent a bit of time today researching e-ink displays
23:56 undata not much to find
23:56 ascii_modem worthless for interactive anything
23:56 undata the vaguely defined dream would be to have something which functions as a terminal, nothing more
23:56 undata I'm trying to code on a shit-tier lenovo "x1 carbon"
23:56 ascii_modem even vt100 is a stretch for eink
23:56 undata everything's broken
23:57 undata trackpad stopped working, goes to sleep, fails to wake without disconnecting the battery, etc
23:57 ascii_modem classic laptoppery
23:58 decimation lenovo is supposedly better for that stuff
23:58 undata neh, it's a lie
23:58 ascii_modem was
23:58 undata I believed "thinkpad"
23:58 undata I had a pentium 3 thinkpad that was a tank compared
23:59 ascii_modem also had. yes, worked.
23:59 ascii_modem those days - long gone.
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