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00:01 decimation asciilifeform: one wonders how much longer usg can afford choppermeisters when drones are obviously better and cheaper
00:01 decimation except in actually moving cargo & humans
00:01 asciilifeform when they stop bothering to make arrests.
00:01 asciilifeform policeman - arrests. drone - aha, sure.
00:02 ben_vulpes "tase and loiter"
00:02 ben_vulpes "if necessary - tase again"
00:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.098 = 4.116 BTC [-]
00:02 Vexual they'd be good at atms
00:02 ben_vulpes repeat until scoopbot arrives for inert meatsack.
00:03 decimation asciilifeform: my impression upon listening to police helicopter chatter is tha a majority of the calls for a helicopter come when either a kid wonders off or some perp tries to run from the po-lice
00:03 decimation both of those missions could easily be performed by drone
00:03 asciilifeform don't forget the traffic jobs.
00:04 decimation eh, my impression is that they don't enforce traffic from the air much
00:04 decimation or if they do, it's usually in cooperation with cops on the ground
00:04 asciilifeform everything with cops on the ground
00:04 decimation maryland is famous for having speed traps where a whole gang of cops wait - bravely stepping into the roadway and flagging speeders
00:04 decimation the gang can absorb many at a time
00:05 asciilifeform at any rate, once there are sufficiently many surplus rotating wing drones, they will be written off and handed to city police depts
00:05 asciilifeform (fixed-wing drones aren't particularly useful in a city)
00:05 decimation why not
00:06 asciilifeform can't loiter
00:06 decimation if the camera has automatic gimble, it hardly matters if the craft is stationary
00:06 decimation gimbal
00:06 decimation fixed-wing aircraft are much more fuel efficient
00:07 asciilifeform chopper can sit down on a roof and film.
00:07 asciilifeform efficient.
00:07 decimation heh true
00:07 ben_vulpes i was noodling on a fully-actuated flying wing last night.
00:08 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Tase is part of why the UNHCR is shitting on USG atm
00:08 ben_vulpes 2 turbines perpendicular to long axis, with piping adequate to vector the thing around any of its axes.
00:08 decimation ben_vulpes: was this a remote-control aircraft?
00:08 ben_vulpes adequate, but also wicked performance gained by virtue of being able to control angle of attack.
00:09 ben_vulpes decimation: it'd have to have the controller onboard.
00:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: are you familiar with china's reply to 'why did you roll up the (tiananmen) students (molotov-armed, by some reliable accounts - also with grenades) with tanks ?'
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00:09 ben_vulpes probably flight planner too.
00:09 decimation kinda like the 'osprey'
00:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: indignant (spontaneously or compensated, either) foreigners asked, 'why didn't you tase them, use tear gas'
00:10 Vexual asciilifeform: is it beacuse they didn't have swarms of irritant devlivery drones?
00:10 decimation with enough raw thrust, aerodynamics don't matter, can dance your vectoring fighter jet tango-style
00:10 BingoBoingo lol
00:11 asciilifeform china answered: 'we aren't a d3m0cr4cy111!11, we don't stockpile instruments of crowd control, we're a poor country and prioritize useful things'
00:11 decimation lol
00:11 Vexual fair answer, they weren't expecting it
00:11 ben_vulpes decimation: still gotta get from point a to b - i'd like to see a thing that eschewed flaps for ducted turbine exhaust.
00:11 decimation ben_vulpes: well, personal jet packs are fun, but not exactly fuel efficient
00:12 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2014#461125 << see also thread.
00:12 assbot Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:38; asciilifeform: for instance, they see their country as having 'sat for the same exam' as the ussr, and passed, while the latter flunked.
00:12 ben_vulpes decimation: that's why i've always advocated going straight up with jets and then drifting sideways for as long as possible
00:12 ben_vulpes decimation: imagine a really high aspect ratio diamond
00:12 decimation that's an interesting idea
00:13 decimation well, ultimately you could build a rocket that propels you to the high altitude winds of the stratosphere and unfolds massive delicate wings
00:13 ben_vulpes two turbines aligned perpendicular to the long axis, with vent outputs from the turbines outputs all the way out at the tips of the diamond.
00:13 ben_vulpes that way you have full control over pitch, roll, yaw
00:13 ben_vulpes plus your main thrusters for "oomph"
00:14 ben_vulpes with this kind of design it's trivial to turn end over end and stop extremely quickly.
00:14 decimation isn't that kinda what the f-117 does
00:14 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: answer then (i haven't any idea) - why is 'vtol' uncommon today ?
00:15 decimation my understanding is that it wastes alot of fuel
00:15 ben_vulpes decimation: not a "thrust reverser": flip the whole beast around its long axis
00:15 ben_vulpes thrust is now reversed
00:15 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: vtol requires ducting thrust orthogonally to operating thrust vector
00:15 decimation ben_vulpes: would the diamond shape generate much lift?
00:15 ben_vulpes wasteful
00:15 ben_vulpes decimation: "diamond" << wave hands
00:16 decimation 'osprey' is attempt to fix that
00:16 ben_vulpes you can have a symmetric wing
00:16 ben_vulpes so long as it has ducted thrust at the tips of both the long axis and short axis, you can arbitrarily dictate its angle of attack.
00:16 decimation yeah I kinda see what you are getting at
00:16 ben_vulpes (almost needless to say that the vectoring needs to go in both directions)
00:17 ben_vulpes no gimbals
00:17 ben_vulpes nothing but exhaust valves and delta-f control systems.
00:17 decimation no but the thrust control would be complicated
00:17 ben_vulpes what part?
00:17 BingoBoingo Ah, lawyer backed off from needing an expert in Bitcoin after I posted rates.
00:17 asciilifeform http://mlbuav.com/products-v-bat
00:17 assbot Products :: V Bat | MLB Company - Complete Solutions for UAS Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuh02e )
00:17 asciilifeform ^ peculiar flying toy
00:18 decimation so how are you going to stabilize your flying wing?
00:18 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that's the only kinda vtol that'll work
00:18 ben_vulpes decimation: active stabilization.
00:18 decimation asciilifeform: that's neat, would be useful to have stowed in your submarine
00:19 decimation right, active stabilization implies fast computers (fairly easy) with lots of fast reacting thrust valves right?
00:20 mats_cd03 BingoBoingo: what was your asking rate
00:21 decimation asciilifeform: note, there's not any external gimbaled camera
00:21 BingoBoingo mats_cd03: $175/hr, 30 hour minimum. $5000 retainer. $300 per diem any day I travel.
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00:21 mats_cd03 lol
00:21 BingoBoingo I think that's cheap
00:22 decimation other than the retainer that's pretty much in line for a qualified professional
00:22 ben_vulpes decimation: bang bang pneumatic valves aren't terribly hard to put together.
00:22 ben_vulpes pwm control.
00:22 BingoBoingo retainer is essential.
00:22 BingoBoingo Because qualified professional
00:22 decimation ben_vulpes: it is a neat concept. It would probably make a neat little drone too
00:23 BingoBoingo If I'm an expert I ought to be making more than the lawyers when I read and talk.
00:23 ben_vulpes decimation: it's a wartime project.
00:24 BingoBoingo And per diem is essential too, because if I'm going to chicago I'm not staying in a fucking Motel 8. I'm staying in the Sheraton, as a professional.
00:24 ben_vulpes artists and armsmiths both need patrons.
00:24 decimation but then again, it's not like flying wings are unknown to aircraft designers. I wonder why they aren't more popular
00:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: there. <<< heh.
00:25 asciilifeform http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/SNECMA-Coleoptere/IMAGES/snecma-coleoptere-prep.jpg << flying arse
00:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuiCJv )
00:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform:they almost certainly laboured under an illusion of one kind or another. << that illusion is "money"
00:26 mircea_popescu the sort you can't do anything with but that's ok.
00:26 mircea_popescu lol @smegma coleopterae.
00:26 asciilifeform that was my first thought too!
00:26 asciilifeform when first saw.
00:27 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Comming from Transylvania I'm sure mircea_popescu has experience slaughtering vampires with sunlight << actually vampires are your friends.
00:27 mircea_popescu ideally, your girlfriends.
00:27 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0G2S6XR.txt )
00:27 BingoBoingo !b 2
00:28 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: So, a lawyer is inquiring what my hourly rate is as an expert witness... What does everyone else charge? << go for 40. too low you won't seem that expert. too high they'll just get antonoderp.
00:29 BingoBoingo 125 seems the minimum for non-medical with self respect
00:29 decimation asciilifeform: the post-wwii era was full of weird vtol designs http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A19730274000
00:29 assbot Convair XFY-1 Pogo | National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1vujihX )
00:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you looking at seak thing ?
00:29 asciilifeform decimation: 'avrocar'
00:29 asciilifeform best airplane.
00:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: looked at it
00:30 mircea_popescu Expert Witness Fees for Trial, File Review and Depositions
00:30 mircea_popescu On average, experts charge significantly more for their time while testifying at trial and deposition than their time while conducting file reviews and preparing. The average hourly fee for all experts was $385 for in-court testimony, $353 for depositions and $254 for file reviews and preparation. The average hourly fee for trial testimony is 52% higher than the average hourly fee for file reviews and preparation.
00:30 mircea_popescu this, in 2004 o.o
00:30 mircea_popescu nuts the bezzle world.
00:30 BingoBoingo Indeed
00:31 decimation heh a flying roomba
00:31 asciilifeform !s coanda effect
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00:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so 140 then
00:32 decimation asciilifeform: the soviets had a line of 'ground effect' aircraft if I recall
00:32 asciilifeform hovercraft.
00:32 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If they ask again.
00:33 BingoBoingo I'll still have to insist on minimum hours/retainer/compensation from suffering the cold north of Chicago
00:34 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/umx-hyper-taxi-bnf-with-as3x-technology-EFLU4780 << pauper edition
00:34 assbot UMX Hyper Taxi BNF with AS3X Technology | HorizonHobby ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSxe45 )
00:34 decimation asciilifeform: no, jets the fly just a few feet above the ground - ekranoplan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan
00:34 assbot Lun-class ekranoplan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSxlMN )
00:35 asciilifeform aha it
00:35 asciilifeform normally english folks call them hovercraft also.
00:35 ben_vulpes "ground effect" << also
00:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: master bitcoin repository repository is currently at 295000 << bitcoin ovopository ?
00:35 asciilifeform lol!
00:36 asciilifeform if bitcoin ovipositor, where is proboscis ?
00:37 mircea_popescu isn't jp-4 the thing that gets a lot of static if it flows ?
00:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00036609 = 17.0964 BTC [-] {2}
00:38 asciilifeform jp-4 << 1/2 kerosene/gasoline iirc
00:39 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-4_(fuel) << "JP-4 was a non-conductive liquid, prone to build up static electricity when being moved through pipes and tanks. As it is volatile and has a low flash point, the static discharge could cause a fire. Beginning in the the mid-1980s an antistatic agent was added to the fuel to lower the charge buildup and decrease the corresponding risk of fires. Flow rates must be controlled, and all the
00:39 assbot JP-4 (fuel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSy40E )
00:39 decimation equipment used must be electrically interconnected and well grounded."
00:39 decimation interesting I didn't know that
00:39 asciilifeform nonpolar hydrocarbons tend to conduct poorly, news at 11
00:40 mircea_popescu oft depicted in media, this problem
00:40 mircea_popescu anyway. i thought it was phased out.
00:40 decimation it was apparently in favor of jp-8
00:40 decimation or 'jet-a' in the civilian world
00:42 decimation at any rate, I was distinguishing jet fuel from '100LL' commonly used in small piston engines
00:43 decimation LL = "low lead"
00:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: with this kind of design it's trivial to turn end over end and stop extremely quickly. <<< someone's fascinated with dragonflies.
00:45 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Ah, lawyer backed off from needing an expert in Bitcoin after I posted rates. << how much did you post ?
00:46 mircea_popescu heh. you overdid it.
00:46 mircea_popescu nothing says pro quite like low rates in that biz.
00:46 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-12-2014#945976
00:46 assbot Logged on 05-12-2014 05:21:20; BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: $175/hr, 30 hour minimum. $5000 retainer. $300 per diem any day I travel.
00:46 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "dragonflies" << well who doesn't love excellent cruising performance *and* agility?!
00:46 mircea_popescu you know the dragonfly is 90% eye right ?
00:47 decimation natures drone!
00:47 mircea_popescu totally.
00:48 ben_vulpes http://dpaste.com/2V8C3AV
00:48 assbot dpaste: 2V8C3AV ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSz70w )
00:48 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: dragonfly << consider waveguide motor. precisely the missing ingredient for practical ornithopter with fully-articulated wings.
00:48 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: your cable flexer?
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00:48 asciilifeform aha.
00:49 asciilifeform no need for joints, lubrication...
00:49 decimation asciilifeform: it would be interesting to see how much heat is lost in the cable flex movement
00:49 ben_vulpes 0.5.3 is luke_jr's fault
00:49 mod6 :D
00:49 ben_vulpes 0.5.3 *wedge* is luke_jr's fault
00:49 asciilifeform one day someone who gives a shit can reinvent it.
00:49 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes whassat paste ?
00:49 decimation ben_vulpes: so you fixed it?
00:50 asciilifeform anyone verify that 0.5.3 unwedges if magic constant is changed ?
00:50 asciilifeform last i recall, it was only kako's experiment with 0.7
00:50 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: can't really see anything like that working anywhere near the speed of sound.
00:50 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i've an 0.5.3 that's happily chugging along with the new db config vals.
00:50 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: speed of sound - no. synthetic bird, insect - sure.
00:50 asciilifeform happily chugging with or without manually masturbated along the way?
00:50 mircea_popescu heh.
00:50 ben_vulpes the BDB docs themselves say to experiment with the lock number until it works
00:50 decimation lol
00:50 asciilifeform not one reset ?
00:51 ben_vulpes i've not rebooted it.
00:51 asciilifeform did not exhaust memory either ?
00:51 asciilifeform suspicious that leak would be predicated entirely on this
00:52 decimation http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs276a/projects/docs/berkeleydb/ref/lock/max.html
00:52 assbot Berkeley DB Reference Guide: Configuring locking: sizing the system ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSzEQ9 )
00:53 ben_vulpes i stopped it at 251442 to snapshot the db, and again at 260*** (something) to provide resources to transfer the blockchain bzip elsewhere
00:53 mats_cd03 http://meredithmmyers.com/ratmap
00:53 assbot Ratmap ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSzHLK )
00:53 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'll let you know if it exhausts memory.
00:53 ben_vulpes that said if it does - oh well.
00:53 ben_vulpes there are worse things in the world than restarting the thing occasionally while work proceeds.
00:54 mod6 well, aside from that, i think the goal is still to rip out BDB eventually anyway.
00:55 mod6 first, we just wanted to bypass the wedge block so we can catch up to the main chain.
00:55 ben_vulpes an 0.5.3 that needs a kick in the ass a few times a day but can still catch up to chainhead trumps a power ranger hardfork with no published and serenissima-signed alternative.
00:55 mod6 first make it work, then we make it pretty
00:55 ben_vulpes asciilifeform would hold that "it doesn't work".
00:55 asciilifeform aha.
00:55 asciilifeform what other ways is it capable of failing in
00:55 ben_vulpes let's find out!
00:55 decimation infinitely many
00:55 asciilifeform and can anyone even give a well-founded answer to this question
00:55 ben_vulpes as we say during deploys
00:55 ben_vulpes "what could go wrong?!"
00:56 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: not i.
00:56 ben_vulpes perhaps your "carpenter".
00:56 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
00:57 * asciilifeform was lying in bed, delirious, and switched on a tablet toy, wanted to read about erasure codes to take mind off snot. and found an article with colourful pictures, sorta explaining one kind. and with horror saw the author:
00:57 asciilifeform buterin.
00:58 asciilifeform yes, that one.
00:58 asciilifeform (what truck he has with this subject? who can say)
00:59 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/denver-cops-hit-by-car-amid-ferguson-protest-one-in/article_d6668b28-04b0-52fb-be6b-9c45f76c9165.html
00:59 assbot 4 Denver cops hit by car amid Ferguson protest; one in critical condition : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSAs7E )
00:59 mircea_popescu im starting to suspect buterin is actually a manufactured identity.
00:59 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i actually met him once.
00:59 asciilifeform https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/16/secret-sharing-erasure-coding-guide-aspiring-dropbox-decentralizer
00:59 assbot ethereum blog | Secret Sharing and Erasure Coding: A Guide for the Aspiring Dropbox Decentralizer - ethereum blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSAtIw )
00:59 ben_vulpes "him".
00:59 asciilifeform ^ the article in question
00:59 mircea_popescu some people "actually" met pirate once.
00:59 asciilifeform bourbaki!
00:59 mircea_popescu no.
00:59 Vexual i think i may have met that mastercard derp
00:59 mircea_popescu more like, princess leia
01:00 ben_vulpes well, someone with the face plastered everywhere.
01:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59100 @ 0.00037829 = 22.3569 BTC [+] {2}
01:00 decimation asciilifeform: you might like this book http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/itila/book.html
01:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSABb8 )
01:00 ben_vulpes i refuse to claim knowledge of anything anymore. downright dangerous.
01:00 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-commission-member-charged-with-assault-of-city-hall-guard/article_b6244110-6ab7-5401-9e02-a07ef7d89195.html
01:00 assbot Ferguson Commission member charged with assault of City Hall guard : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSAGLV )
01:01 BingoBoingo ^ Dude sat next to Obama Monday, charged Thursday
01:02 Vexual he looks like danny brewster
01:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mouthed an insult at his royal highness ?
01:02 BingoBoingo Maybe?
01:03 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where met buterin ?
01:04 decimation mackay kind of revived gallager's work in the 60's with ldpc codes
01:04 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: a "bitcoin" "conference"
01:05 Vexual "I certainly don't want anyone mining technology ... away from my control" <<this would sound more intelligent if he was stuttering
01:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18725 @ 0.0003632 = 6.8009 BTC [-]
01:05 ben_vulpes back when he was still playing "journo"
01:05 mircea_popescu $conference
01:05 empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 4 months and 12 days. Estimated cost today: 3.55699272 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
01:05 asciilifeform wat.
01:05 mircea_popescu ^ this btw is a month away from being moar expensive
01:06 Vexual can you just buy usd to offset expenses?
01:08 Vexual pay more in bc, but arrive with 12 trillion pesos
01:09 ben_vulpes Vexual: or take more btc. arsfolk love btc.
01:09 ben_vulpes love even more buying them with pesos.
01:09 ben_vulpes night all
01:14 mircea_popescu so far, 4 people confirmered.
01:16 * asciilifeform counts coin originally from mircea_popescu remaining in piggy, turns out it almost exactly equals above number.
01:16 mircea_popescu lol win.
01:17 mircea_popescu and ftr, last time we did wags and it didn't work out
01:17 mircea_popescu so this time you'll have to sleep with hookers.
01:17 asciilifeform what were wags?
01:17 Vexual wives and girlfriends
01:17 mircea_popescu ;;usd wag
01:17 gribble Error: "usd" is not a valid command.
01:17 asciilifeform aha!
01:17 mircea_popescu DAMN RIGHT
01:18 * asciilifeform had an automatically zoophiliac mental picture of what 'wags' entails
01:18 * asciilifeform is still in an odd mental space
01:18 mircea_popescu it's not that far off from the truth.
01:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55562 @ 0.0003803 = 21.1302 BTC [+] {2}
01:19 Vexual a stack of benjis
01:19 Vexual the dog and the banknote
01:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/KR1801VM1-USSR-Soviet-Russian-Planar-Clone-of-DEC-PDP-11-Digital-Main-CPU-/380993522876 << for you
01:21 assbot KR1801VM1 USSR Soviet Russian Planar Clone of Dec PDP 11 Digital Main CPU | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSDb0H )
01:21 decimation lol pdp11 on a chip
01:22 asciilifeform my elder brother learned to program on these.
01:22 decimation can run unix
01:23 asciilifeform the physical package is typical of the culture
01:23 Vexual what it doubles as a hammer?
01:24 asciilifeform the staggered pins
01:24 Vexual oh, for big fingers?
01:24 asciilifeform afaik ussr did not churn out 'surface mount' process until the very end years.
01:25 asciilifeform it was all hand - or, at the most l33t factories - wave - solder.
01:25 asciilifeform http://sovietsouvenirs.com/catalog/images/ic/k145re1-6-1.jpg
01:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSDKaP )
01:25 asciilifeform ^ example of another
01:28 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hn2WA5RB5k
01:28 assbot I Had Sex With Your Mama (The Jerry Springer Show) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSE4Xg )
01:29 decimation asciilifeform: why planar package for hand soldering? why not dip?
01:29 decimation !up Vexual
01:30 asciilifeform decimation: holes cost
01:30 decimation heh
01:30 decimation need plating machine, need drill press?
01:30 mircea_popescu and in the other color scheme : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg6ddfYOd8w
01:30 assbot Mom Your Man Paid Me For Sex (The Jerry Springer Show) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSEih6 )
01:30 asciilifeform those items are present anyway. but wear on drills, time, defects, etc.
01:31 decimation asciilifeform: did they do much wire wrap?
01:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/K1602RC2-Vintage-Quite-Rare-USSR-Soviet-Russian-Magnetic-Bubble-Domain-Memory-/151342346010 << to complete your project. yes, bubble memory. go find usa bubble memory.
01:31 assbot K1602RC2 Vintage Quite RARE USSR Soviet Russian Magnetic Bubble Domain Memory | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSEnBr )
01:31 decimation I guess that costs - need pins, wire, etc
01:31 asciilifeform decimation: nope
01:34 mats_cd03 coming up on xmas. where's my cardano?!
01:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform's working oin coughing it up
01:34 * asciilifeform coughs
01:34 mircea_popescu he decided wetware is best after all.
01:35 * asciilifeform wipes spit off probe cable
01:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/UKNC-MS-0511-MC-Computer-MS-0202-Complex-Vintage-USSR-Soviet-Russian-DEC-PDP-11-/380857963982 << example of that pdp in natural habitat. same junk peddler.
01:35 assbot Uknc MS 0511 MC Computer MS 0202 Complex Vintage USSR Soviet Russian Dec PDP 11 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuuI5b )
01:36 asciilifeform this one - through-hole parts everywhere, reminiscent of (usa) 'commodore 64'
01:36 Vexual needs moar flux
01:36 asciilifeform photographs show rom debugger - more than you can say for your pc !
01:37 decimation ben_vulpes: I'm running a patched version of 0.5.3 with your fix, see if I can replicate results
01:37 Vexual i don't know much about electronics, but fuck i go thruogh some hookup wire
01:39 Vexual prolly why i like perl
01:40 decimation Vexual: wire wrapping is for you then
01:41 Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "S&P 500 to post 8th straight quarter of gains" http://bitbet.us/bet/1053/ Odds: 63(Y):37(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.9275673 BTC. Current weight: 15,247.
01:45 Vexual whats wire wrapping?
01:46 Vexual oh hell no, it neads tinning
01:46 decimation old-school electronics construction technique
01:46 decimation nah no soldering required
01:46 mircea_popescu you basically wrap wires around connectors
01:46 mircea_popescu instead of soldering anything
01:47 Vexual but thats my favourite part
01:47 mircea_popescu course bakc when i was a kid we had this breadboard with springed clamps
01:47 asciilifeform http://www.jameco.com/jameco/workshop/techtip/wirewrap_fig6.jpg
01:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuweUU )
01:47 * asciilifeform also had springed clamps
01:47 decimation http://www.jameco.com/jameco/workshop/techtip/wirewrap.html
01:47 assbot Wire Wrapping: Cleaner, Faster, Safer Electronic Design ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuwgwe )
01:47 decimation lol
01:48 decimation yeah student still use spring breadboard
01:48 decimation it has poor characteristics with any kind of high frequency
01:48 asciilifeform less-than-perfect wire wrapping was the doom of many an amateur digital gizmo
01:49 decimation properly done it is more reliable than soldering
01:49 decimation I think it is still used today to construct some satellites
01:49 asciilifeform some of the early crays were in fact wire-wrapped.
01:49 asciilifeform satellites << quite likely more reliable than lead-free solder, yes
01:49 Vexual easier to probe for errors perhaps?
01:49 asciilifeform but this is not a high bar
01:49 decimation http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/minicomputers/11/331/1903
01:49 assbot Gardner Denver wire wrap machine - CHM Revolution ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuwx2b )
01:50 mircea_popescu what's lead free solder made out of anyway ?
01:50 decimation silver tin
01:50 decimation with copper too I guess. it's prone to weird 'whisker' formation
01:50 decimation asciilifeform: no, more reliable than lead solder with extreme temp and vibration
01:51 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_(metallurgy) << whiskers
01:51 assbot Whisker (metallurgy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuwJ1r )
01:51 Vexual ive got a few spools of very old solder
01:51 asciilifeform lead free >> i'm using Sn/Bi
01:52 asciilifeform 42/58 allow
01:52 asciilifeform *alloy
01:52 Vexual sticks like poo to a blanket
01:52 asciilifeform co$$$$ts
01:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52879 @ 0.00036796 = 19.4574 BTC [-]
01:53 decimation asciilifeform: is that the 'most reliable' alloy?
01:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1735 @ 0.00124992 = 2.1686 BTC [+] {4}
01:55 BingoBoingo Interesting machine
01:55 asciilifeform decimation: it's decent. chosen because of 138C melting point.
01:55 decimation http://workmanship.nasa.gov/lib/insp/2%20books/links/sections/301_Discrete%20Wiring.html << nasa standards for wire wrap
01:55 assbot DISCRETE WIRING - SOLDERLESS WRAPPED ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS - WIRE WRAP ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuxiZ5 )
01:56 asciilifeform decimation: will reflow in the equipment i have with very rough time curves and minimal damage to components.
01:56 decimation makes sense.
01:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15021 @ 0.00036796 = 5.5271 BTC [-]
01:57 asciilifeform i've always thought laser spotweld would make a beautiful replacement for solder.
01:57 asciilifeform but no one wants to rock this boat, it seems.
01:58 decimation well, literally $$bn have been invested on the current path
01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30229 @ 0.00038125 = 11.5248 BTC [+]
01:58 decimation which is basically the same argument as "but x86 has the warez"
01:59 asciilifeform and in 1982 ru, pdp 'had the w4r3z'
02:01 mircea_popescu i wonder why no laser welding actually.
02:01 asciilifeform there is some.
02:01 mircea_popescu could be nicely pulsed, way faster than mechanical...
02:01 asciilifeform Li batteries
02:01 asciilifeform can't solder'em
02:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1349 @ 0.00124995 = 1.6862 BTC [+]
02:05 asciilifeform interestingly, Bi has... no stable isotopes.
02:06 asciilifeform http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/barely_radioactive << herr walker's explanation
02:06 assbot Barely Radioactive Elements ... ( http://bit.ly/1vuyVWG )
02:06 decimation huh interesting.
02:07 decimation well I'm going to retire, good evening gents
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02:41 BingoBoingo !up badon
02:42 badon hi BingoBoingo
02:42 badon Is it accomplishing someone to prevent people from speaking?
02:42 badon Is it accomplishing something to prevent people from speaking?
02:42 BingoBoingo badon: If you register with gribble and get rated you can self voice
02:43 badon But I don't trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble.
02:43 badon You could just handle that the standard way by requiring people to be registered with nickserv to be voiced.
02:44 BingoBoingo But you have need of gribble if you want to self voice. Defeating nickserv would make impersonating other people too easy
02:44 badon What do you mean by defeating nickserv?
02:44 midnightmagic nickserv is broken anyway and doesn't have static identity
02:44 badon What does impersonating people have to do with me?
02:44 BingoBoingo Freenode gets hacked. Gribble's a second factor for identifying your self
02:45 BingoBoingo badon: Well, voice
02:45 badon BingoBoingo: Right, but why is that second factor critical just to merely speak?
02:45 badon I'm very skeptical that's necessary.
02:45 BingoBoingo Voice is based on identity and nickserv sucks at identity
02:45 badon Oh, I see.
02:45 badon Is trading a part of this channel?
02:45 BingoBoingo I didn't make the system, I just join it
02:45 badon I've never seen anything happen here...
02:46 BingoBoingo Trading in this channel is infrequent
02:46 badon Hmm, OK, then I'm still skeptical anything at all is being accomplished by preventing me from speaking.
02:46 BingoBoingo At least in the way naively concieved
02:46 BingoBoingo I don't really know how you are being prevented. You joined and a person voiced you, right?
02:47 badon Right, but what is being accomplished by that extra step?
02:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46420 @ 0.00038405 = 17.8276 BTC [+]
02:47 badon I can't think of anything.
02:47 badon maybe there's something I'm simply not aware of.
02:47 badon ...like the purpose of this channel, haha
02:47 BingoBoingo Purpose of the channel takes a few months.
02:47 badon So I've been told :)
02:48 BingoBoingo The voice thing though is that words have meaning, and the strength of that is predicated on the person doing the speaking. Hence strong identification as opposed to weak identification.
02:48 badon That makes sense.
02:49 badon I feel dirty every time I send a password to nickserv or chanserv on IRC, but in my case, I use SASL and the Tor hidden service, so it's not plaintext like it might be for ordinary IRC connections.
02:49 BingoBoingo Also nickserv registered names expire rather quickly
02:50 BingoBoingo Only a few weeks of inactivity before freenode drops tham
02:50 badon Really?!
02:50 BingoBoingo Yeah
02:50 badon That 'tarded
02:50 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
02:50 BingoBoingo badon: Retarded is a large part of why, different system
02:55 Vexual ;;gettrust Vexual
02:55 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Vexual to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Vexual&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
02:55 Vexual ;;gettrust Vexual
02:55 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user muXne to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
02:55 Vexual ;;gettrust Vexual
02:55 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user muXne to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
02:55 Vexual ;;gettrust muxne
02:56 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Vexual!~x@unaffiliated/vexual. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user muXne to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
02:57 badon My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says.
02:58 badon In fact, my business style is to be suspicious of anyone who insists on formal contracts. If they don't trust me, I don't want to do business with them, and vice versa.
02:58 badon That style has made life easy.
02:59 badon If someone betrays my trust, I can't punch them in the head with their PGP public key.
02:59 badon ^discuss
02:59 Vexual ;use Alcholol
03:00 Vexual theres the web of trust
03:03 Vexual and i f you were invested in yourself badon, i'd trust you to do business on the net
03:03 badon Vexual: Yes, that's how most of the best business people choose who they do business with.
03:04 badon A venture capitalist wants to see an entrepreneur's children's college funds on the line, along with contracts to send them off to work in the mines. Then the VC might take them seriously as somebody who's going to do their best to not lose the business.
03:05 badon More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources.
03:06 Vexual id wanna see the vcs moneys too
03:06 mats_cd03 i'm struggling to take you seriously
03:08 badon Vexual: Usually VC's are already well-known for having deep pockets.
03:08 badon Otherwise, no one would approach them. VC's don't normally solicit businesses to invest in them.
03:08 Vexual yeah googles known for deep pockets, do you intall any app with any priveledges?
03:09 badon Vexual: I have no idea what you just said.
03:09 Vexual me neither
03:10 Vexual i kinda work free association
03:10 Vexual see what pops out
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03:11 BingoBoingo !b 3
03:11 badon That sounds like a chemistry experiment.
03:12 punkman !up badon
03:12 badon thanks punkman
03:12 punkman people trade all kinds of things on #bitcoin-otc, so it'd be useful for you to get in that
03:12 punkman but it's not a web of trades
03:12 punkman so we use it for all kinds of things
03:12 badon Oh?
03:12 BingoBoingo <badon> If someone betrays my trust, I can't punch them in the head with their PGP public key. << You can effectively indict them with the text they've signed
03:13 BingoBoingo <badon> My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says. << Trust isn't a point system though, it is a name system.
03:13 punkman also if by "formal contract" you mean that thing with 50 pages some lawyers drafted, yeah we don't usually like those either.
03:16 badon I'm sure somebody has a mathematical model of different ways to quantify trust.
03:16 punkman it's not about quantity at all
03:17 punkman total rating is indeed useless as a number
03:17 BingoBoingo A person's a shithead or they aren't. If they aren't a shithead there's going to be qualitative reasons why they aren't a shithead.
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03:26 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
03:27 Vexual you never know how you look through other peoples eyes
03:27 badon BingoBoingo: No, that's not true. A person might be kind and trustworthy to everyone except Jews, or people who's names start with Q, or whatever. In other words, there is no predictive value in any of these trust models. In other words again, there is no formula.
03:27 Vexual unless you're in the wot
03:28 BingoBoingo badon: Right, that's why it's qualitative rather than quantitative
03:28 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYGRflMgKQ
03:28 badon Some criminals specialize in building trust, and then violating it. That's why they're called "cons", with the word "con" being an abbreviation for "confidence".
03:29 badon BingoBoingo: In other words, pointless to try to quantify, certainly not worth the bother of forcing it on people.
03:29 Vexual you won't find many connable people here
03:29 BingoBoingo Well, you have to know people you can ask about people
03:32 Vexual badon: if you wanna quantify people you might as well bring a tank
03:33 badon Vexual: You misunderstand, I'm saying I DON'T want to quantify people, because it's impossible.
03:33 badon It's like asking what color fruit is.
03:33 Vexual heres me thinking you're working for mastercard
03:34 badon It's a question that is answerable on a case-by-case basis only.
03:34 BingoBoingo Sure, that's why you want to identify people
03:34 Vexual cool, i suppose we are in agreeance somewhere
03:34 badon Vexual: You're not too far off the mark. I'm heavily involved in business.
03:35 badon BingoBoingo: That helps, but I don't think it helps as much as everyone wishes it did.
03:35 BingoBoingo No, it doesn't but what else is there?
03:35 badon BingoBoingo: Cash on the table, everyone around it armed to the teeth.
03:36 BingoBoingo Sure, but you still want to deal with a name and not an anon derp
03:36 badon Either everyone dies in the next 2 minutes, or they all go home a little richer.
03:36 badon BingoBoingo: I'll take the anon derp's cash.
03:37 BingoBoingo I dunno I'd want to be around anon derp and armed anon friends, maybe they're dumb and think heist?
03:37 BingoBoingo Chance of pulling of a heist might be worth it to anon derp
03:38 badon Yeah, this gets into the realm of "how retarded is your neighbor?".
03:38 Vexual one time things nearly always hurt everyone invol,ved
03:39 badon If you live in Africa, for example, anon derps will risk their lives (and yours) just to get your shoes. In North Europe, an armored car with open doors might not be worth the bother when you can just show up to work every day and earn a good income.
03:39 Vexual scam or robbery, it's not what you want
03:42 BingoBoingo !up badon
03:45 BingoBoingo !up Ralt
03:45 BingoBoingo Hello Ralt
03:45 Ralt hi
03:46 BingoBoingo What brings you around these parts?
03:46 Ralt just curious
03:46 BingoBoingo Cool
03:46 Ralt just lurking for now :)
03:48 BingoBoingo Well if you want to lurk faster there's a link to logs in the topic so you can lurk the past too
03:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89275 @ 0.00038656 = 34.5101 BTC [+] {2}
03:48 Ralt BingoBoingo: what's this chan for exactly?
03:48 BingoBoingo Good question. It's subtle. Takes time to realize that.
03:48 Ralt I heard that there were lispers around, and that this'd be an interesting place. Is all
03:49 Ralt so... I was just curious and went in.
03:49 Ralt this is about all the information I have :)
03:53 BingoBoingo Yeah plenty of lispers, think most of them are sleeping atm
03:55 Vexual or making jetplanes with fucked up control systems
03:56 Vexual 4 joysticks and a bluntlighter
04:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4818 @ 0.00038269 = 1.8438 BTC [-]
04:05 mats_cd03 what a useless discussion of trust
04:05 BingoBoingo Yeah
04:05 mats_cd03 i thought it'd get better, but it didn't, just one guy derping
04:05 BingoBoingo Thought it was going to be a discussion of voice
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06:05 cazalla !up Vexual
06:08 Vexual hey
06:11 Vexual i bet vuples could fly that thing, 4 joysticks and a debug panel
06:13 Vexual meanwhile aour two favourite female rappers named for rhododhendrons are in a twitter feud
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06:17 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDBbEG-0pfQ
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06:30 Vexual ;;google chappie release date
06:30 gribble Chappie (2015) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1823672/>; Chappie (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappie_(film)>; CHAPPIE - Official Movie Trailer - In Theaters 3/6/15 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhNshgSYF_M>
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07:19 mircea_popescu badon: But I don't trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble. << lmao
07:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00039043 = 11.2053 BTC [-]
07:19 mircea_popescu "hey, I want to do x" "so get in wot" "but i have no need of it". well...
07:21 mircea_popescu badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. <<< you are wrong. period and full stop. swallow this and change or get lost. also full stop.
07:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37918 @ 0.0003843 = 14.5719 BTC [-]
07:24 mircea_popescu mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of trust <<< that's what fucking happens with noobs ALL THE DAMNED TIME. But they know better! But why won't people who do thinks professionally consider their input! But amateurism is a do-ocracy! But reasons! But considerations! But he's not read five years of tardstalk so five years of tardstalk has never happened. Let's do it again!
07:24 mircea_popescu etc etc etfuckingc.
07:25 mircea_popescu at least they used to rob hayseeds in grand central.
07:25 mircea_popescu anyway, anyone got a localbitcoins account that they're using ? is that thing any cereal ?
07:38 cazalla used it once for a buy, went ok, seems to be plenty of scammers too
07:39 mircea_popescu aha
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07:59 mircea_popescu http://diariocorreo.pe/politica/jorge-lanata-denuncia-que-consul-peruano-en-242971/ lol
07:59 assbot Jorge Lanata denuncia que cónsul peruano en Argentina cambia dólares en mercado negro | Diario Correo ... ( http://bit.ly/1vvxt6k )
08:05 nubbins` i feel like
08:05 nubbins` localbitcoins is ripe for scammers
08:06 nubbins` something about they lock up funds in a peculiar way, with onus on btc seller to prove tx went thru?
08:13 mircea_popescu i have no idea.
08:13 mircea_popescu but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it.
08:14 mircea_popescu absolute fucking astroturfing. idiot faux-bitcoin-foundation types push this sort of arrangement where i dunno, they buy an empanada to random people to say they're "accepting bitcoin" then populate all sorts of crudiferous web2.0 apps, maps and random websites.
08:15 mircea_popescu if you look at it isuperficially it appears there's "hundreds" of places in a 12 million inhabitant town, which is somehow notable (srsly ?). if you actually investigate it, you soon discover they're all fictitious.
08:15 mircea_popescu sure, some guy kinda remembers someone buying him a beer to say something or the other with coinsomething in it. last year.
08:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66400 @ 0.00039229 = 26.0481 BTC [+] {4}
08:17 punkman but coindesk said there are 8k convenience stores selling bitcoin !? http://www.coindesk.com/bitpagos-brings-bitcoin-8000-convenience-stores-ripio/
08:17 assbot 8,000 Convenience Stores in Argentina Now Sell Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vvAiEo )
08:17 nubbins` lel
08:18 punkman ripoffio
08:18 nubbins` "your email address is invalid" "which one did i use?" "nubs@nubs.nubs"
08:18 nubbins` "o"
08:21 mircea_popescu total bs.
08:22 mircea_popescu for the record, bitpagos is some delaware start-up, looking to be bought out. it's playing the numbers game. the numbers are based on what numbers usually are based on, in fraudlandia i mean the internet.
08:22 mircea_popescu like whatsapp had 85 billion users, same deal.
08:22 nubbins` i do keep hearing buzz about bitcoin in .ar but figured it was just like everywhere else
08:22 nubbins` i.e. a couple neckbeards & wizards puffing themselves up
08:23 mircea_popescu quite exactly that.
08:23 cazalla don't they have a bitcoin embassy in ar?
08:23 nubbins` as if argentinians are looking for ANOTHER currency to gamble with
08:23 nubbins` as if two wasn't enough
08:23 nubbins` cazalla you forgot the ""
08:23 mircea_popescu buncha 20something year olds, "designers" and "web experts" and whatnot, with their bike and their 0.18 btc in some sort of wallet that cost them .28
08:24 mircea_popescu nubbins` ironically, it actually would be looking
08:24 mircea_popescu except they're about as intellectually indolent as the mexican stereotype goes.
08:25 nubbins` ;;google indolence breeds
08:25 gribble indolent ulcer - definition of indolent ulcer by Medical dictionary: <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/indolent+ulcer>; Full text of "The Indolence of the Filipino" - Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/stream/theindolenceofth06885gut/8indf10.txt>; Corneal ulcers in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corneal_ulcers_in_animals>
08:25 nubbins` meh. my first result was "easy money breeds indolence"
08:27 nubbins` o and the first edition of the bird book is now sold out
08:28 nubbins` also got in touch w/ the manufacturer of the paper we've been using, they said they have one roll left that they'd be willing to cut into sheets for us... but it's 1000 sheets at $3.05ea
08:28 nubbins` which, i have to say, is a fucking bogus price
08:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.00040001 = 28.7607 BTC [+] {4}
08:31 mircea_popescu uh
08:31 mircea_popescu these are broadsheets no ?
08:34 nubbins` 22x30"
08:35 nubbins` that's pretty close to broadsheet, yes
08:35 mircea_popescu 30 grams of paper at 3 bux, what could go wrong.
08:37 nubbins` 106 grams, even!
08:37 mircea_popescu uh. a broadsheet is like .4 sqm. what's this, 250 gram paper ?
08:38 nubbins` precisely so
08:38 nubbins` this is the cover stock
08:38 nubbins` 250gsm black cotton, acid-free, archival quality
08:38 mircea_popescu ah
08:38 nubbins` two deckled edges, one smooth side, one lightly toothed :D
08:38 mircea_popescu well then stop bitching.
08:39 nubbins` $3.05 is costly!
08:39 mircea_popescu PAPER DOESNT GROW ON TREES YOU KNOW!
08:39 nubbins` heh
08:40 nubbins` this paper grows on plants 8)
08:40 nubbins` i was expecting $2-$2.25 per sheet
08:40 fluffypony PLANT MURDERER
08:40 nubbins` actually the cotton plant does not die when you pick the cotton
08:40 nubbins` (TYL)
08:40 fluffypony I'm going to become carnivorous to stop abuse of plants
08:40 fluffypony and throw jars of green paint at printers
08:41 nubbins` anyway, i'll probably just switch over to Stonehenge paper after this shit runs out.
08:41 mircea_popescu direct ab use, anyway
08:41 nubbins` the pages are slightly less thick, 175gsm dead-tree
08:41 nubbins` FSC certified, fwiw ;/
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08:53 mircea_popescu o look at that ?
08:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34187 @ 0.00040897 = 13.9815 BTC [+] {2}
09:06 mats_cd03 it breathes
09:13 kakobrekla http://hiddenlolcdn.com/i700/20829.jpg
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09:49 mats_cd03 http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2015/01/china-worlds-largest-economy
09:49 assbot China Has Overtaken the U.S. as the World’s Largest Economy | Vanity Fair ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymtOVC )
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09:57 mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol
10:06 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 wasn't that sometime in 2011 ?
10:06 mircea_popescu im pretty sure.
10:06 mats_cd03 they're finally admitting it to themselves
10:07 mats_cd03 article's written by stiglitz
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10:28 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/mpif-fmpif-november-2014-statement/
10:28 assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/15SG4q9 )
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10:50 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes thestringpuller you know that qntrra piece came out really good.
10:53 mircea_popescu !up jwSchool
11:07 danielpbarron i've done quite a few face-to-face trades via localbitcoins; never used their escrow. just used it to post my phone number
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13:13 ben_vulpes <badon> More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources. << lol return of spamgun?
13:16 mats_cd03 just a guy with an inflated sense of self.
13:16 mats_cd03 who still worships at the altar of VC cock, apparently
13:16 ben_vulpes indistinguishable from similar derps.
13:16 ben_vulpes how are you, mats_cd03 ?
13:17 mats_cd03 kinda bored, i've been holding down an IT job since june
13:17 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it. << "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional.
13:19 mats_cd03 doing different things like studying the windows kernel, trying to learn malware analysis fundamentals and some of the tooling, docker deployment for dev and prod for a friend's website, and working on the courts circus project
13:19 ben_vulpes sounds busy
13:19 mats_cd03 wishing i'd be free of the 9-5 drudgery
13:20 undata arbeit macht frei!
13:20 undata or uh, too busy to notice otherwise
13:21 undata also good morning to you both, or whatever time of day it may be
13:22 mats_cd03 indeed
13:22 mats_cd03 whats new ben_vulpes
13:22 ben_vulpes dockerizing jenkins
13:22 ben_vulpes derpy client keeps breaking the build
13:22 ben_vulpes gotta send everyone polite notifications of who's responsible each and every time now to make a point.
13:23 mats_cd03 of course
13:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1052 @ 0.00124991 = 1.3149 BTC [+] {3}
13:26 ben_vulpes dockerizing so that deploying CI in the future is a matter of running the provisioner and waiting a minute.
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14:08 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional. << cristina's been cracking down.
14:11 mircea_popescu !up Simonz
14:11 Simonz ok
14:11 ben_vulpes i'm intrigued to see if any of my contacts pick up when i come back.
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14:27 mircea_popescu !up op_testr
14:29 mircea_popescu !uop katu
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14:41 cazalla it's a week since bitcoin black friday and still, no stats from bitpay, it must've been a total flop
14:42 punkman yeah who wants to buy things at ,,ticker
14:42 punkman ;;ticker
14:42 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 373.92, Best ask: 373.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 373.92, 24 hour volume: 7766.05646487, 24 hour low: 363.99, 24 hour high: 374.2, 24 hour vwap: 370.711003633
14:53 cazalla that habbo hotel bitcoin conference is on lol
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63670 @ 0.00041726 = 26.5669 BTC [+] {2}
14:58 mircea_popescu http://www.global-bitcoin-alliance.org/local-Organizations << submitted to reddit by reddit mod piachu
14:58 assbot GBA | Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNOLR6 )
14:58 mircea_popescu (if you don't recall her, the girl with the wooden block up her cunt from just-dice)
15:03 BingoBoingo I thought she spelled her nick pikachu as in the pokemon
15:04 mircea_popescu yeah well.
15:05 cazalla pika pika
15:10 jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2odray/distributed_markets_for_drone_operators/ << i don't see how this ever can go wrong
15:10 assbot Distributed markets for drone operators : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNR6LX )
15:10 jurov Drones and semi-autonomous household robots could be made to be controllable from a tablet or smartphone. Distributed markets for drone operators, some of them living in mud huts with nothing more than solar power and mesh-networks, could be very competitive!
15:12 jurov mircea's drone vibrators...but the mud hut concept is novel
15:13 BingoBoingo http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/a-note-to-our-readers-20141205
15:13 assbot A Note to Our Readers | Rolling Stone ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNRtGf )
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15:38 BingoBoingo !up noictib
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15:59 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/fderp-november-2014-statement/
15:59 assbot F.DERP November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zw7zP3 )
16:04 mircea_popescu soooo node.js finally dead ?
16:10 mats_cd03 wishful thinking
16:10 undata mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell the js horde
16:12 mircea_popescu no dude totally, it's gonna be forked like 6 more times over 2015 and by 2016 it'll be like css.
16:12 undata that wouldn't surprise me
16:12 undata mircea_popescu: did you see that some derps are forking openbsd?
16:12 undata apparently it's not future enough so they're going to add more future
16:14 undata https://github.com/bitrig/bitrig/wiki/Faq "fun to work on"
16:14 assbot Faq · bitrig/bitrig Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwaC9V )
16:14 mircea_popescu my theory here being that substantial projects benefit from spurious forking, because it soaks up the idiots and sends them away. whereas spurious projects suffer from forking, because well, there's no way to distinguish the shards.
16:14 mircea_popescu sort-of like how the same problems that sink centrally planned economies make market economies thrive
16:14 mircea_popescu (the problem of choice, for instance)
16:14 undata right, I'd assumed that anyone working on bitrig was rejected from openbsd proper
16:15 mircea_popescu (and of course my way to distinguiosh the shards - "who's in charge ?" - is exactly acid to the eyes of the spuriomancers)
16:16 mats_cd03 if you're interested in using fiverr again, mircea_popescu, https://www.fiverr.com/mihaela_predan looks like a solid candidate for ro translations
16:16 assbot mihaela_predan | fiverr ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwaWWk )
16:16 mircea_popescu i fucking hate fiverrr
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16:17 mircea_popescu is there a word for the activity of "going through your private stash of girlfriend pr0n" ?
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16:26 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/12/californias-dbo-we-have-authority-to-regulate-bitcoin/
16:26 assbot California's DBO: We Have Authority To Regulate Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwcX4G )
16:26 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 of course, seeing how the prize is ~10x a fiverr, that article is highly arbitrageable i guess.
16:26 mircea_popescu bwahahah
16:28 mats_cd03 ya. i'm going out tonight, so if someone wants to, you've got about a day to beat me to it
16:29 mats_cd03 found you a translator and everything!
16:30 mircea_popescu cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/12/californias-dbo-we-have-authority-to-regulate-bitcoin/#comment-2952 :p
16:30 assbot California's DBO: We Have Authority To Regulate Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwdPGx )
16:35 BingoBoingo Oh hey, let's expand asset forfiture http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/12/fraternity_sexual_assault_and_criminal_activities_states_should_use_gang.html
16:35 assbot Fraternity sexual assault and criminal activities: States should use gang laws to seize their assets. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zweOGL )
16:36 BingoBoingo "Any responsible citizen can file suit" << Why write a derp piece then and not a suit?
16:38 mats_cd03 because poor
16:41 mats_cd03 can't afford to pay to be laughed at by a judge
16:41 cazalla mircea_popescu, but they came to a consensus so who are we to disagree?
16:42 cazalla btw i logged into the habbo hotel confrence, all the sponsored booths are pretty much bots, hardly any guests either for me to troll :\
16:42 mircea_popescu aww!
16:43 mircea_popescu wasn't there some massive thing with that game
16:44 mircea_popescu where people kept trolling the players what was it
16:44 mircea_popescu door blocking ?
16:47 mats_cd03 https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Habbo_/B/lockade
16:47 assbot Habbo /B/lockade - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwh4Od )
16:47 mats_cd03 ben_vulpes: have you tried out Fig for docker deployments? its nice.
16:49 asciilifeform http://museum.ttrk.ee/sannata/DG_magazine/DowngradeN12a.pdf << 'Downgrade' magazine.
16:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwhzrv )
16:49 asciilifeform (ru)
16:49 asciilifeform who doesn't speak the language - can enjoy the photos.
16:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62145 @ 0.00041037 = 25.5024 BTC [+] {2}
16:52 undata mircea_popescu: "pool's closed due to aids"
16:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00040582 = 8.7454 BTC [-]
16:54 mircea_popescu hpw
16:54 mircea_popescu how's that flaming idiocy in slate under "jurisprudence" ?
16:54 mircea_popescu this is like filing swimsuits under fur coats.
16:55 mircea_popescu Delta Kappa Epsilon’s Yale chapter is in its fourth year of a five-year suspension that followed an episode in which pledges paraded through a residential quad chanting, “No means yes; yes means anal.”
16:55 mircea_popescu this is "gangs" nao.
16:59 cazalla mircea_popescu, yeah, see mats_cd03 link
17:00 cazalla some grandma also thought the meme was targetting her grandchildren https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAo7kRDrUmU
17:00 assbot Woman Mis-Interprets Internet Meme as Racist - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwjH2s )
17:01 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Apparently but this isn't http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/12/05/st-louis-police-investigating-possible-hate-crime-in-bevo-neighborhood/
17:01 assbot UPDATED: Police Investigate Possible Hate Crime in Bevo Neighborhood « CBS St. Louis ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwjU63 )
17:07 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/feds-pair-stole-guns-discussed-selling-them-to-ferguson-protesters/article_a0934d77-182d-5f89-9057-ad82a03be51c.html << White teenagers
17:07 assbot Feds: Pair stole 39 guns, discussed selling them to Ferguson protesters : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwkXTt )
17:12 cazalla BingoBoingo, "When the woman tried to drive around them, the suspects reportedly pulled out a firearm, so she stopped the car." the fuck? run em down!
17:13 BingoBoingo That's probably what will happen next time.
17:14 cazalla there is a video of that happening late last month https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiziJBg4Odc would score no points in carmageddon though, held back too much
17:14 assbot Driver Plows into Ferguson Protest Crowd in Minneapolis (VIDEO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwmokD )
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17:38 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/sergio-demian-lerner-hired-by-vessenes-foundation/
17:38 assbot Sergio Demian Lerner Hired By Vessenes' Foundation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxlGEF )
17:40 mats_cd03 lol some kids are demonstrating nearby
17:41 undata BingoBoingo: White teenagers << southern classlessness is colorblind
17:44 mats_cd03 i can hear them from here and they're at least a mile away
17:44 mats_cd03 http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2014/12/05/tufts-students-protest-davis-square/
17:44 assbot Tufts Students Organizing Protest In Response to Eric Garner Decision ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxmjOw )
17:44 mats_cd03 i bet 1btc they give up before 7PM so they can pregame for a party tonight
17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00042025 = 6.1567 BTC [+]
18:03 jurov mats_cd03: against whom?
18:03 jurov the bet
18:04 mats_cd03 im kidding
18:05 kakobrekla no kids or kidding here.
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19:33 asciilifeform http://aklepov.com/index.php?page=elektronika-mk-85c-en (spammer's mirror, original long dead, archive dot org lacks photos)
19:33 assbot Elektronika MK-85C | Клепов Анатолий Викторович ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynJjwD )
19:33 asciilifeform astoundingly shoddy en transl.
19:44 asciilifeform http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << usg gloats (internally) at great length and detail re: soviet computer industry. circa 1989.
19:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynKLz5 )
19:49 asciilifeform http://oboguev.net/misc/vms-great-hole.html
19:49 assbot VAX/VMS Great Security Hole ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynLpfW )
19:50 asciilifeform 'The hole let unprivileged user-mode program to switch into kernel mode. But more spectacularly, the hole was tightly coupled into unique architectural design of VMS, and in its sly and teasing way...'
19:50 asciilifeform (in modern parlance - a 'local root')
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20:13 ben_vulpes mats_cd03: not enough yaml
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21:11 decimation asciilifeform: have you come across this turd: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/darkhotel-malware/
21:11 assbot DarkHotel: A Sophisticated New Hacking Attack Targets High-Profile Hotel Guests | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1u1NnjD )
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21:25 mircea_popescu <mats_cd03> i can hear them from here and they're at least a mile away << so they're demonstrating good lungs eh.
21:25 mircea_popescu cazalla who's this sergio fellow again ?
21:30 mats_cd03 ben_vulpes: what do you need that for?
21:30 asciilifeform hotels, evil access point, winblows trojans << snore
21:30 * asciilifeform back to bed if that's all there is
21:32 asciilifeform 'The key logger the attackers used also has Korean characters inside and appears to have ties to a coder in South Korea.' << lol, let's believe every byte of ascii text in the turd, aha
21:33 cazalla mircea_popescu, i dunno, he's in BA, perhaps you can do an interview with the foundation's latest hire
21:33 asciilifeform '“You have to be very skilled in kernel-level development and this is already quite a rare skillset,” says Vitaly Kamluk, principal security researcher at Kaspersky Lab.' << idiots
21:33 asciilifeform 'There’s no logical reason to use a kernel-level keylogger says Raiu since it’s so easy to write key loggers that hook the Windows API using about four lines of code. “But these guys prefer to do a kernel-level keylogger, which is about 300 kilobytes in size—the driver for the key logger—which is pretty crazy and very unusual.' << imbeciles
21:33 asciilifeform SOP.
21:35 asciilifeform 'When victims attempt to connect to the WiFi network, they get a pop-up alert telling them their Adobe Flash player needs an update and offering them a file, digitally signed to make it look authentic, to download. If the victims accept they download, they get a Trojan delivered instead.' << run more winblows, 'high-profile executives,..., government agencies and NGOs and U.S. executives.'
21:35 asciilifeform biodiesel.
21:36 undata Here, inject this syringe.
21:36 asciilifeform aha.
21:36 asciilifeform 'certified!'
21:36 undata the guy looked like a doctor to me!
21:37 asciilifeform 'NSA-Level Infection Mechanism,' 'rare skillset,' my arse.
21:37 undata !up warptangent
21:38 decimation asciilifeform: it seems to me that the advantages of a real-mode keylog are obvious
21:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, there's also 30something kinda fat prostitutes.
21:39 asciilifeform how are these used ?
21:39 decimation asciilifeform: but apparently they broke a 512-bit rsa cert!
21:39 asciilifeform (the prostitutes, that is. 'real mode' per traditional terminology is what msdos runs in, not sure how this applies here)
21:39 mircea_popescu whatever way you feel like i guess.
21:39 asciilifeform 512 bit << i can do that here, lol
21:39 decimation heh I know
21:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a no, this was re your "going to bed" line
21:39 asciilifeform ahaha
21:40 decimation leet h4x0rs everywhere
21:40 asciilifeform 'yesterday's nobel is tomorrow's homework' was yesterday's proverb. today's is 'yesterday's homework is today's l33t 0day'
21:41 decimation heh
21:42 mircea_popescu cazalla intel sez he's the guy with the 2013 reports about "discoveries". https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/
21:42 assbot The Well Deserved Fortune of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin creator, Visionary and Genius | Bitslog ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3CcHf )
21:42 asciilifeform lol that one !
21:42 mircea_popescu !up jborkl
21:43 jborkl Thank you mircea
21:44 jborkl Wow, the MasterCard video was a disaster
21:44 mircea_popescu anyway, since we're doing that sorta thing, i guess i never linked http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/
21:44 assbot Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1rXLR7Q )
21:44 undata "One of the consequences of these graph is that if the real name of the sender of a single transaction belonging to the entity is identified, then Satoshi mystery identity will be revealed. I bet that this will happen in the days following this post." < hilarious
21:45 undata now that I've made these graphs, clearly the hard work is done
21:46 mircea_popescu kinda typical derpage. but anyway, fake foundation gotta work itself aground somehow.
21:48 asciilifeform work itself aground somehow << thus far there is an inexhaustible supply of... whatever it is
21:48 mircea_popescu snot ?
21:48 asciilifeform snot also.
21:48 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YXMQBR.txt )
21:48 mircea_popescu !b 3
21:49 jborkl Nice article mp
21:50 decimation lol of the day https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun << One of the node.js core contributors, Ben Noordhuis, rejected a pull request that eliminated the use of a gendered pronoun in libuv.
21:50 assbot The Power of a Pronoun - Blog - Joyent ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3DAK7 )
21:50 mircea_popescu win.
21:50 decimation http://blog.nodejs.org/2013/12/03/bnoordhuis-departure/ << "As of this past weekend, Ben Noordhuis has decided to step away from Node.js and libuv, and is no longer acting as a core committer."
21:50 assbot Ben Noordhuis's Departure ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3DHVX )
21:50 mircea_popescu lose.
21:50 decimation apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch
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21:51 mircea_popescu decimation you understand what's at stake there right ?
21:51 decimation now this guy forked node.js
21:51 mircea_popescu guys like hearn, gmaxwell etc , as well as guys like poettering etc, as well as guys like that derpy chick whatever her name is
21:51 mircea_popescu are "core contributors" because people count patches
21:51 mircea_popescu but nobody looks at WHAT THEY WERE.
21:51 mircea_popescu astroturfing to the max.
21:51 mircea_popescu so the guy prevented a politruk from getting his "contributions" count up.
21:52 jborkl Well one of the core contributors for bitcoin flipped hamburgers not too long ago
21:52 decimation right, but the guy wasn't an employee of joyent
21:52 mircea_popescu which is a major problem, because the us nomenklatura is fighting real hard to get "scientific" credetnials.
21:52 asciilifeform nobody looks at WHAT THEY WERE << nobody but a hatecriminal aha.
21:52 decimation anyway, it's kinda like the retard version of the openbsd fork
21:52 mircea_popescu AS IF the von flondor process won't see through that
21:53 mircea_popescu (more likely, so when they get hanged by their own guts, the remainder, ever less numerous crowd of them can falsely claim that we're attaching "science"
21:53 mircea_popescu instead of what it is - scum.)
21:54 jborkl Mp, did you ever join the bitcoin foundation?
21:54 asciilifeform intelligent, conscious tumours, ever in search of ways to embed deeper into healthy tissue (what little remains)
21:54 decimation during the french revolution, plenty of scum pseudo-scientists ganged together to hang actual people
21:54 mircea_popescu no.
21:54 jborkl Lol, joke
21:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're just minimaxing.
21:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59861 @ 0.00043812 = 26.2263 BTC [+] {2}
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21:56 decimation "Joyent raised venture capital for the first time in November 2009[42] from Intel and Dell.[43] Joyent's early institutional investors include El Dorado Ventures, Epic Ventures, Peter Thiel (Seed Round),[44] Intel Capital (Series A, B Rounds),[45] Greycroft Partners (Series A, B Rounds),[46] Liberty Global (Series B Round). In January, 2012, Joyent secured a new round of funding totalling $85 million from Weather Investment II,
21:56 decimation Accelero Capital, and Telefónica Digital.[47] In October 2014, Joyent raised an additional $15 million in Series D funding from existing investors. [48]"
21:56 decimation for the record
21:59 asciilifeform '...empathy is a core engineering value—and that an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well.' << aryan physics is best physics!
22:00 decimation asciilifeform: whoever the 'jews' are today, they better consider their parachutes now
22:02 mircea_popescu dude empathy is exactly anti-engineering. it is emphatically NOT an engineering value
22:02 mircea_popescu who the shit writes this idiocy. i want a name.
22:02 decimation joyent's pr
22:03 cazalla mircea_popescu, imagine if someone really was sent to do an interview lol
22:03 mircea_popescu im gonna get the fucking records
22:03 mircea_popescu that chick's fried.
22:03 mircea_popescu cazalla meh, allow me to quote.
22:03 decimation "Bryan Cantrill"
22:03 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Az-CFtXtA
22:03 assbot Don't Take Your Guns to Town - Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3FV7Q )
22:03 mircea_popescu he's some kid. nothing to nobody.
22:04 decimation https://www.joyent.com/company/management
22:04 assbot Management Team - Company - Joyent ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3G3Ea )
22:04 mircea_popescu decimation nah, hewas like the cto
22:05 decimation well, he put his name on top. master an man, etc
22:06 mircea_popescu this is true.
22:06 mircea_popescu ;;rate bryan cantrill to hang.
22:06 gribble Error: 'cantrill' is not a valid integer.
22:06 mircea_popescu no, it wouldn't be.
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00043457 = 11.125 BTC [-]
22:09 mircea_popescu "@KristianOellegaard this isn't an issue of breaking or following the rules, it's an issue of doing the right thing and common sense. This situation is about people, not code."
22:09 mircea_popescu dude splendid.
22:09 mircea_popescu hanging "progressives" is not a matter of law.
22:09 mircea_popescu it is a matter of doing the right thing. it's about people, not code.
22:09 mircea_popescu fire away.
22:09 undata counts as a fetish too in my book.
22:10 mircea_popescu how can you NOT like the real isis ? the fake isis (usus ?) is just as stupid, only much derpier.
22:12 undata they're trying to pass this new "street tax" in Portland
22:12 decimation at least isis is up front about their religion, instead of being all meta about it
22:12 undata might as well nuke the whole state from orbit when better masters own it
22:12 undata oh and check out the opposition! http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/11/portland_street_tax_pers_givea.html
22:12 assbot Portland street tax: PERS exemption (Letters to the Editor) | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3HHG5 )
22:12 mircea_popescu decimation but it's the same thing to a dot. "fuck the law, we do what we please". well...
22:12 mircea_popescu at least rape and pillage if oyu're going that way.
22:13 undata were isis dropped in the middle of portland they'd own it in a day
22:13 undata it's a pussy-off here
22:13 undata who can cry for which special interest the most convincingly
22:14 cazalla undata, only way to be sure eh?
22:14 decimation our age is awash in antinomianism
22:14 undata and serves as an example
22:15 mircea_popescu "In a text message, Novick continued that he believes $200 a month means less to people earning $500,000 a year than $12 per month for $50,000 earners."
22:15 mircea_popescu this magical math you got going there.
22:15 mircea_popescu is it at least ungendered ?
22:15 mircea_popescu by now money is compared in the meta-terms of its "meaning" ?
22:15 mircea_popescu can you buy money-meaning for your dollars ?
22:16 mircea_popescu i want to trade this millionaire benjies for busker benjies please.
22:16 undata you didn't build that money meaning.
22:16 undata we all did
22:16 undata mircea_popescu: ungendered << made me think of some sort of feminist reparations tax
22:16 mircea_popescu ok, but i wanna buy it.
22:16 undata surely they'll pass that in a few years
22:17 mircea_popescu there's no point in holding on to plain dollars if on top of inflation of fact you'll also get inflaiton of meaning.
22:17 decimation as long as he and his friends have a strong lock on the bezzlars funneled into sv, he is more than willing to throw his 'own tribe' under the bus in order to appear magnanimous
22:17 mircea_popescu what sort of bond interest rate would cover my meaning inflation over here ? 25% ? 45% ?
22:20 * undata emits a parse error
22:21 decimation meanwhile back in unreality world the dollar just beat all the other fiat at the market today
22:21 decimation apparently 'because' usg released data that indicated that some wages kinda went up, and some people might have been hired
22:22 mircea_popescu lol im sure.
22:22 decimation ;;ticker
22:22 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.48, Best ask: 375.82, Bid-ask spread: 1.34000, Last trade: 375.84, 24 hour volume: 8384.72282528, 24 hour low: 365.72, 24 hour high: 377.89, 24 hour vwap: 372.683629618
22:22 mircea_popescu it's funny how they're not even tryong here.
22:23 mircea_popescu so defeated, so used to defeat...
22:23 mircea_popescu stuck pretedning id un exist etc.
22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00043538 = 13.475 BTC [+]
22:32 undata http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2014/12/defiant_uber_rideshare_launche.html
22:32 assbot Defiant Uber rideshare launches in Portland, with City Hall promising to 'throw the book' at drivers | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3Lao0 )
22:32 undata sudden urge to go drive for uber just for the hell of it
22:46 mthreat mircea_popescu: if starbucks coffee is any measure of inflation, it's been 60% from 1 year ago. My coffee went from 30 pesos to 48 since 1 year ago.
22:46 mthreat (in argentina)
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17759 @ 0.00043443 = 7.715 BTC [-] {2}
23:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00043569 = 19.2575 BTC [+] {3}
23:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79225 @ 0.00043998 = 34.8574 BTC [+] {3}
23:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00044425 = 1.7326 BTC [+]
23:35 * asciilifeform finds it interesting that he has never before heard of joyent corp., nor knowingly used anything in their lineup
23:35 decimation asciilifeform: they are the 'spiritual heirs' of solaris
23:35 asciilifeform how?!
23:35 decimation most of the sunos people left oracle's lawnmower and went there
23:36 decimation they are trying to be a 'cloud company' with a unique os - SmartOS
23:36 decimation SmartOS is basically solaris
23:36 decimation SmartOS is a SVR4 open-source hypervisor, based on the UNIX operating system which combines OpenSolaris technology with Linux's KVM virtualization.
23:36 asciilifeform solaris was a perfectly-legit unix
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23:36 asciilifeform what did it have to do with these abortions
23:37 decimation well, it was swallowed by oracle
23:37 decimation the guts popped out, found vc funding
23:38 decimation although like BSD, "solaris" is more of a spiritual matter now than a matter of a particular codebase
23:40 asciilifeform 'On August 16, 2012, individuals who had provided start-up and development funding to Joyent (and its predecessor, TextDrive) in exchange for lifetime shared hosting accounts with Joyent were informed, via email, that their lifetime hosting accounts would be deleted on October 31, 2012' << lol! (pediwikia)
23:41 decimation well, SJW's gotta sjw
23:41 mats_cd03 enjoy minimum wage earning undata
23:42 gernika The post on bitcoin in Argentina reminds me of Bitcoin in berlin. There was supposed to be some thriving bitcoin scene in Kreuzberg. In fact when I went to visit there was a single crappy cafe with a cheap Bitcoin sign hanging in the window.
23:43 undata it turns out all these citizen journalists are full of shit
23:43 gernika The post on bitcoin in Argentina reminds me of Bitcoin in berlin. There was supposed to be some thriving bitcoin scene in Kreuzberg. In fact when I went to visit there was a single crappy cafe with a cheap Bitcoin sign hanging in the window.
23:43 gernika Sorry about that
23:43 gernika new IRC client, forgot to page down
23:44 asciilifeform 'In January, 2012, Joyent secured a new round of funding totalling $85 million from Weather Investment II, Accelero Capital, and Telefónica Digital. In October 2014, Joyent raised an additional $15 million in Series D funding from existing investors.' << and immediately after, 'fuck you' to the 'crowdfunders.'
23:45 asciilifeform not because they were broke, but because... they could ?
23:45 decimation hehe yep. the names have been entered in the journal
23:45 asciilifeform rite of passage?
23:45 undata asciilifeform: statements are implicitly understood to be mostly bullshit in modern English
23:45 decimation asciilifeform: doesn't it feel like a cargo cult around an os that was handed down by betters?
23:46 undata hence "unlimited" data plan = 2 gigs
23:46 undata and the gigs aren't even real gigs
23:46 asciilifeform no surprise that the scam was a scam; surprising is the fact that it wound down precisely when it did
23:47 undata plenty of lawyer money at that point
23:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2339 @ 0.00124542 = 2.913 BTC [+] {3}
23:48 asciilifeform honouring the 'lifetime warranty' for all the chumps put together - would this even add up to the cost of one lawyer-week ?
23:50 decimation asciilifeform: https://gigaom.com/2013/11/26/whats-up-with-joyent/ << apparently the are only marginally a business
23:50 assbot What’s up with Joyent? — Tech News and Analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1A2EFpO )
23:50 decimation kinda like sun
23:51 decimation and apparently they view the legacy of solaris as a great foundation to host ... server-side javascript
23:52 * asciilifeform can't shake the feeling, reading this crud, that it was all an elaborate joke, and the punchline is to be read out soon
23:53 decimation asciilifeform perhaps you could follow the fate of solaris as a re-invented platform for oracledb
23:53 asciilifeform thing is, the degradation of computer industry was inevitable.
23:53 asciilifeform read, for perhaps the first time, why:
23:54 asciilifeform once the machines were no longer put to work solving actual problems, and just about the whole planet switched to 'solving' nonproblems,
23:54 asciilifeform inevitably the mimics take over
23:54 asciilifeform because mimicry is cheaper in all cases than the real thing.
23:55 decimation that's an interesting view
23:55 decimation 'actual problems' being things that are critical to eat, not be blown up, etc?
23:56 asciilifeform reading for the first time about 'joyent', i couldn't help but wonder - what are these 'technologies' actually for? if they were erased from the good earth overnight, would i notice ?
23:56 decimation somehow I guess there is a market for selling vms to folks
23:56 asciilifeform where were they in 1970 and who was the poorer for it ?
23:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had something written re: imbeciles thinking of 'meta' elevation as a kind of philosopher's stone
23:59 asciilifeform i.e., that if we somehow do 'cloud' correctly, no one actually has to think about cpu and disk, these can live in some 'meta' heavens
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