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00:00 decimation the Nepalese police?
00:00 kakobrekla yes it has to be annoying so people see it. now im off.
00:00 xinxiwang Nepalese? SG is in southeast asia.
00:00 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha_Contingent
00:00 assbot Gurkha Contingent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT4cll )
00:01 decimation I guess I take it by your questions that the answer is 'no'
00:01 BingoBoingo !t n s.appl
00:01 assbot I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
00:01 xinxiwang uha, I even don’t know this.
00:01 xinxiwang interesting
00:01 decimation yeah they were brought in to break up the racial riots in the 60's
00:02 decimation because both sides thought that the gurkhas were 1.) hardcore and 2.) neutral
00:02 xinxiwang that’s funny
00:02 xinxiwang they should bring people from china to do that.
00:02 xinxiwang for ethnic homogeneity
00:03 decimation aren't chinese a big part of the sg population now?
00:04 xinxiwang 80% are chinese.
00:05 decimation http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/303042 << "It has been said that during the Falklands War, 400 miles east of Terra Del Fuego, or Cape Horn, South America in the Atlantic, after the Gurkhas landed, it was sufficient for the RAF to drop leaflets over enemy Argentine positions, merely saying that the Gurkhas have landed and are sharpening their Kukris, for the conscript Argentine army to flee for their lives."
00:05 assbot How much do we know about Gurkha police in Singapore? - SgForums.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT5f4v )
00:06 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDHDM7PfyYs
00:06 assbot Facebook Law for Idiots - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT5kW0 )
00:06 mircea_popescu hai preet & friends.
00:08 xinxiwang given that the majority are chinese people. I don’t think people from other races can be neutral here.
00:08 mircea_popescu how do you mean ?
00:08 decimation well, certainly turkic highland folk from the west are not to be trusted...
00:09 xinxiwang they are still commanded by local people
00:09 BingoBoingo Guurkahs are pretty much the default neutral people, because... Nepal is poor and isolated.
00:10 mircea_popescu decimation yeah, the same thing;s been said in spanish about the english lol
00:12 decimation xinxiwang: do people in sg generally like the way the lee family have been running things?
00:13 xinxiwang many don’t like. but since the family is doing quite well. people still accep that.
00:13 xinxiwang people are appealing for democracy :-)
00:13 decimation surely the 'mandate of heaven' still smiles upon singapore?
00:14 mircea_popescu singapore democracy's gonna be a fun one to watch.
00:14 decimation people in the us have democracy, it's not great. the people should be happy with the lee family
00:14 xinxiwang i’ve no idea about that. maybe lky knows.
00:14 mircea_popescu sorta like manhattan without brooklyn, let alone harlem or you know, ozarks.
00:15 decimation malaysia is kinda like their ozarks I guess
00:15 xinxiwang yeah, Thai tried western style of democracy but failed.
00:16 xinxiwang Sg may fail to incorporate that kind of democracy as well.
00:16 decimation the chinese have lived under strong men, emperors and bureaucrats for thousands of years. it would be better to go with a winning formula
00:17 mircea_popescu better != easier.
00:17 mircea_popescu stop impeding progress.
00:18 xinxiwang who knows. if it’s the trend, nobody can stop it.
00:18 decimation is your point that it is easy to hand out one mili-slice of power to each sg citizen and leave it to them to ruin the place than to actually run it?
00:18 mircea_popescu no, my point is that it's easier to give the police guns and then bitch when they shoot the wrong people than you know, hold a gun and pick and choose. and similarly...
00:19 mircea_popescu why not have a democratic political class to hate and despise ?
00:19 mircea_popescu buncha people you vote for just so you can expect things not of this world.
00:19 decimation yeah, I agree that's the effect. furthermore, those in real power use the process as cover for their own agendas
00:20 mircea_popescu really ? lizzard hitler ?
00:20 decimation nah
00:20 mircea_popescu "those in power" dun actually exist.
00:20 decimation they are not coordinated like that
00:20 decimation more like the FCC makes rules, and the EPA makes rules, etc
00:20 mircea_popescu you're roughly speaking of the "bubbles in power" in a bottle of beer.
00:21 mircea_popescu you know, the ones that don't pop, for whose benefit the entire thing is made.
00:21 mircea_popescu i never saw one.
00:21 decimation heh
00:21 mircea_popescu who ?
00:21 decimation but each one has a tyrannical journey to the top
00:21 mircea_popescu name a name.
00:21 mircea_popescu who is the "people in power" in one of these systems ? who, in hollywood ? who, in washington ?
00:22 decimation well, look at general alexander, for instance
00:22 mircea_popescu ken rove ? that janet derp ? rice ? who ?
00:22 mircea_popescu okay.
00:22 decimation sure
00:22 decimation each of them push their own little agendas
00:22 mircea_popescu like all the other bubbles.
00:22 decimation which generally consist of 'give us more money and more fiefdom'
00:22 mircea_popescu not in power.
00:22 decimation I guess it's power in the restricted sense that they are only allowed to act in one direction
00:23 mircea_popescu there's one trend that unites all us presidents that i've ever seen. that trend is, that going in they look above average health for their age,
00:23 decimation is a child powerful if she pulls a lever to demolish a building?
00:23 mircea_popescu and going out they look in shockingly poor health for their age.
00:23 mircea_popescu the cause, outside of drugs, is that they don't get any sleep.
00:23 mircea_popescu what "in power" is this where you can't fucking sleep ?
00:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform has apoint with the sleep.
00:23 decimation that is a good point
00:23 asciilifeform sleep is the measure.
00:24 decimation my impression is that they constantly awoken so they can be 'in the loop' on whatever derpish retardation is going on in the world
00:24 asciilifeform because muppetry.
00:24 * punkman slept 13 hours, refreshing
00:24 asciilifeform pete thiel - sleeps.
00:24 decimation the general response to which being 'do nothing' or 'let the underlings handle it'
00:24 * asciilifeform didn't watch him sleep, but believes
00:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually the examplke i was waiting for was the iranian, what's his name
00:25 mircea_popescu omar ksomething
00:25 mircea_popescu fucking ironic, i thought.
00:25 asciilifeform kyahamm ?
00:25 asciilifeform khayamm ?
00:25 mircea_popescu nono, the press derp.
00:25 decimation louis xvi was 'in power' in the same way I guess
00:26 mircea_popescu guy slept. on tits.
00:26 mircea_popescu ;;google Pierre Morad Omidyar
00:26 gribble Pierre Omidyar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Omidyar>; Pierre Omidyar - Biography - Philanthropist - Biography.com: <http://www.biography.com/people/pierre-omidyar-9542205>; Pierre Omidyar: The reclusive eBay founder will battle with The ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/pierre-omidyarthe-reclusive-ebay-founder- (1 more message)
00:27 asciilifeform https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/6754 << what should i buy after i set fire to this ?
00:27 assbot #6754 (Can crash wan port (eth1) with ping flood (Atheros AG71xx)) – OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT9Y6k )
00:28 asciilifeform what a disgrace.
00:28 mircea_popescu haha
00:28 asciilifeform 100 usd does not buy a functioning - or wrangleable - device. does 1000? 10,000 ?
00:28 asciilifeform i bet - no.
00:28 mircea_popescu nah. you're paying too much.
00:28 mircea_popescu 25-30 bux. try that.
00:29 asciilifeform 25 << have an urn full of these
00:29 asciilifeform same issues
00:29 mircea_popescu "Resolution set to fixed"
00:29 mircea_popescu 4 years ago yo :D
00:29 asciilifeform lol
00:29 asciilifeform haha fixed, 'fixed'
00:30 asciilifeform lend one of these fine gentlemen your car, and he'll glue the petrol gauge to 'full'
00:30 asciilifeform easier than filling tank. cheaper. satisfying.
00:31 decimation no asciilifeform, the real thing is you make a light that says 'pay money to dealer'
00:40 asciilifeform https://www.google.com/search?q=%22(ag71xx):+transmit+queue+0+timed+out%22
00:40 assbot "(ag71xx): transmit queue 0 timed out" - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2sjE5 )
00:40 asciilifeform ^ 1,120 results.
00:40 asciilifeform i don't even know what is more enraging - the sc4mz0r manufacturer, or all the shitmonkeys who claim to have 'fixed'
00:40 decimation asciilifeform: the popular thing to worry about these days in routers is 'buffer bloat'
00:42 asciilifeform decimation: i don't run an isp, or a dc, don't care one whit for optimizations
00:42 asciilifeform but want gizmo that fucking works as printed on the box
00:42 asciilifeform 24/7/365
00:43 asciilifeform and, if dies, can go in the urn, replaced with same, in the worst case
00:44 asciilifeform i don't even grasp why a wireless to ethernet bridge needs to be a computer, with stateful memory and an os
00:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 9105 @ 0.0012 = 10.926 BTC [+] {2}
00:48 decimation asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why
00:50 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Things exist this way because danielpbarron is right and there is a vengeful old testament god. Jesus and mercy were a lie!
00:51 decimation Jesus isn't a lie!
00:54 decimation !up taub
00:54 mircea_popescu <decimation> asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why <<<
00:54 mircea_popescu wanna talk about turds, talk about that.
00:54 * asciilifeform knew.
00:54 mircea_popescu just the successive "encryption solutions" they implemented is enough for humour in hell.
00:55 decimation the end-to-end principle would suggest a minimal amount of protocol overhead is needed - let the application layer figure things out
00:56 mircea_popescu and what, charge 20 bux for a thing that works ?
00:56 decimation heh
00:56 mircea_popescu why not charge 100 for a thing that doesn't work, so suckerlifeform can buy 20 ?
00:56 asciilifeform 200
00:56 asciilifeform plus the kerosene.
00:56 mircea_popescu ;;calc (100 * 200) / 20
00:56 gribble 1000
00:56 mircea_popescu JOBS CREATED
00:57 mircea_popescu (in china. which then we bitch at for polution)
00:57 mircea_popescu anyway. sleepytime. HEAR ME ROAR!
01:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00036989 = 12.7612 BTC [-]
01:11 decimation ;;ticker
01:11 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.91, Best ask: 378.66, Bid-ask spread: 1.75000, Last trade: 377.3, 24 hour volume: 8465.10747744, 24 hour low: 374.01, 24 hour high: 383.0, 24 hour vwap: 378.493754072
01:14 BingoBoingo Such flat, BTC made it to the moon, but got stuck in the sea of tranquility
01:18 decimation eh, flat makes those famed 'afraid of volatility' types happy
01:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42529 @ 0.00036892 = 15.6898 BTC [-]
01:19 punkman !t m s.mpoe
01:19 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034204 / 0.00036087 / 0.00038216 (757862 shares, 273.50 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00035295 / 0.00041472 (10817404 shares, 3,818.01 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00044918 / 0.00086038 (29748677 shares, 13,362.75 BTC)
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01:37 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
01:37 gribble Current Blocks: 332806 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1849 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35888211462.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.29622
01:38 BingoBoingo So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on?
01:39 punkman maybe not enough money to pay electricity for a few operations
01:40 BingoBoingo Also thinking maybe a ploy by manufacterers with farms to get consumers to buy this spendy time of the year at any cost?
01:40 punkman I liked the "personal lottery machine" angle
01:40 BingoBoingo Yeah
01:41 BingoBoingo I have to admit I've been eyeing the pretty Bitcrane machine as a spaceheater++
01:42 punkman payoff not that great if you win the solo mine lottery
01:42 BingoBoingo Eh, I'll point it at some pool or p2pool
01:43 BingoBoingo If Mizzou beats Bamma Saturday and I have much profit.
01:44 BingoBoingo Prolly skip the miner though and keep building the escape fund
01:45 punkman you don't want to be carrying too much stuff
01:48 BingoBoingo Yeah
01:48 punkman http://www.cascadedesigns.com/therm-a-rest/cots/luxurylite-ultralite-cot/product
01:48 assbot Lightest Backpacking Cot – LuxuryLite® UltraLite Cot&#0153; by Therm-a-Rest® ... ( http://bit.ly/1vOInE5 )
01:48 punkman might need on of those if going the land route
01:52 BingoBoingo What's wrong with the mud? Also maybe considering saving up for a boat.
01:52 BingoBoingo Either in the sense of a literal ocean going craft or the metaphorical Ford Crown Victoria
01:54 punkman actual boat is an acquired taste
01:54 BingoBoingo Actual boat seems awfully interdictable.
02:01 punkman maybe less so with the right flag
02:02 BingoBoingo Hard to take "right flag" down the Mississippi leg of the trip.
02:03 mats_cd03 01:14:25 <+BingoBoingo> Such flat, BTC made it to the moon, but got stuck in the sea of tranquility << makes me happy, tbh
02:03 mats_cd03 how am i gonna accumulate 1000btc if it goes up again?
02:03 BingoBoingo mats_cd03: Sure. Nice place to build another launch pad.
02:04 mats_cd03 anyway, like mp says, something something usg catching a falling knife twice
02:06 mats_cd03 my more immediate concern is...wtf is happening to s.mpoe
02:07 BingoBoingo That's a good question, but given the options market is hibernating in wait of better price signals some large share dumping seemed inevitable... prolly...
02:07 mats_cd03 i sold ma shares after it crashed and temporarily recovered to ~0.00075, then bought back at 0.0005 thinking it was the bottom ;_;
02:08 BingoBoingo Either that or Obama's secretly had an MPOE account
02:10 BingoBoingo Maybe someone who bought S.MPOE round 2 shares finally decided to part with them?
02:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.0011999 = 1.1999 BTC [-]
02:20 mats_cd03 what was it at round 2?
02:27 BingoBoingo mats_cd03: If I recall correctly its cheapest.
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02:42 BingoBoingo 2433 per share http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
02:42 assbot The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yovoKv )
02:43 BingoBoingo MPOE first round was 9085 satoshis per share
02:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 999 @ 0.00119999 = 1.1988 BTC [+]
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03:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1940 @ 0.0012 = 2.328 BTC [+]
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04:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44854 @ 0.00037154 = 16.6651 BTC [+] {2}
04:20 * fluffypony stretches
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05:19 davout fluffypony: nice comment on the "blockchain onion gets an ssl cert" derpage
05:28 fluffypony davout: thanks
05:29 fluffypony that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me
05:33 fluffypony the most annoying thing is that they should have expended effort in using eschalot to create a memorable address
05:33 fluffypony rather than fucking around with SSL
05:33 fluffypony blockchainbdgpzk.onion is not memorable
05:33 fluffypony facebook, of all things, actually spent the time and energy in getting right
05:34 fluffypony facebookcorewwwi.onion
05:34 fluffypony easy to remember
05:34 fluffypony I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites
05:34 fluffypony it's like a mindtrip
05:34 davout heh
05:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00036838 = 12.4697 BTC [-] {2}
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06:13 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/12/mastercard-not-completely-comfortable-with-bitcoin/
06:13 assbot MasterCard: Not Completely Comfortable With Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypm5K8 )
06:18 davout cazalla: i don't even get why they feel the need to talk about bitcoin
06:22 cazalla prolly an attempt to use what influence they have left
06:22 cazalla reminds me a bit of iraqi info minister, no bitcoin in the city at all!
06:25 cazalla fuckem anyway, i use visa
06:28 cazalla what trickery is this? XN--B1A4AC.COM
06:36 davout cazalla: "prolly an attempt to use what influence they have left" <<< what for? push bitcoin?
06:37 davout also your domain name is a unicode domain
06:37 davout http://♹.com/
06:38 cazalla davout, no idea, perhaps to encourage gov to crack down on it, seems to be the case given their submission to aussie senate.. sorta like an ex gf that insists on fucking things up with your new gf
06:39 cazalla davout, first time i've come across this punani code for domains
06:39 davout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode
06:39 assbot Punycode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypshSp )
06:40 cazalla anyway, that one is for btc.com, wonder how popular it is for phishing
06:40 davout i should put my blockchain.io to use for lulz & phishing
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06:56 cazalla davout, "Black Friday figures for MasterCard were not yet available, but the company reported in October that it had processed $2.4 trillion in payments in the first nine months of 2014"
06:57 cazalla 2.4 trillion yet concerned about bitcoin
07:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00036599 = 3.3854 BTC [-] {2}
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07:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36714 @ 0.00037609 = 13.8078 BTC [+]
07:32 nubbins` <+cazalla> 2.4 trillion yet concerned about bitcoin <<< natch
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08:03 nubbins` hi
08:03 nubbins` c'est un copain
08:07 davout wat
08:11 nubbins` heh
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08:52 mircea_popescu burtreynoldsismyspiritguide1 ? mmmmmyeah
08:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo soo, chick findsa out that her "father" is infertile, gets fixated on it, tries to replace him, imagines this sort of pathology ius somehow universal or important for people generally.
08:55 mircea_popescu why am i even reading this crap.
08:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00037112 = 17.2942 BTC [-] {3}
08:58 mircea_popescu it never ends either. jesus.
08:59 mircea_popescu teach all the idiots how to read and write - get fifty billion pages about how important idiots are, aka the internet.
08:59 mircea_popescu could do without.
09:03 jurov looks like we renamed "sovereignty" into "sovereignity"
09:03 mircea_popescu i cnat spael.
09:05 mircea_popescu decimation: eh, flat makes those famed 'afraid of volatility' types happy <<< yet for every 500 guys that went "o bitcoin i can not use it is too volatile" for 3 years going, you don't hear as many as .5 guys today "o, now i can use it"
09:05 mircea_popescu instead it's "now it's not volatile so not interesting anymore, can't use".
09:06 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on? <<< mining moved away from the general public to "specialised experts". this always results in a drop of quality.
09:07 mircea_popescu mats_cd03: my more immediate concern is...wtf is happening to s.mpoe << ya srsly.
09:08 mircea_popescu fluffypony: that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me <<< i don't recall an infosec expert of the webz that wasn't a sort of "assigned female at birth genderqueer individual".
09:09 mircea_popescu fluffypony: I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites <<< bwahaaha this IS a fucking point. and it goes on : microsoft leading the way for linux, on it goes.
09:10 fluffypony yeah
09:10 mircea_popescu davout: cazalla: i don't even get why they feel the need to talk about bitcoin << virgins also feel a need to talk about the cock.
09:10 mircea_popescu it's psychosomatic.
09:10 fluffypony Hearn tried to debate the point with me on Reddit
09:10 mircea_popescu hearn still talks in public ?
09:10 fluffypony http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2o5ghz/blockchaininfo_becomes_the_second_website_after/cmkutcr?context=3
09:10 assbot fluffyponyza comments on Blockchain.info becomes the second website (after Facebook) to have been issued an HTTPS certificate by DigiCert for their .onion address. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pXLZTI )
09:11 fluffypony that's "infosec expert" -> me -> Hearnia -> me
09:11 mircea_popescu aha
09:12 mircea_popescu i liek nubbins` french.
09:12 nubbins` ;D
09:14 mircea_popescu arrange meeting for today at 3 with kinda shaky individual, have secretary confirm it today. wake up, check, confirmation comes in the form of "in the immortal words of dude, yes, 1500. he'll wait you."
09:14 mircea_popescu day slightly thus improved, we proceed to the waiting car!
09:25 rithm just make sure the miners have a ul sticker on them tho amirite
09:30 nubbins` ^
09:30 nubbins` sticker guarantees
09:32 thestringpuller nubbins` speaks french?
09:37 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i thought the immortal words of the dude were: the dude abides
09:37 thestringpuller ;;google the dude abides
09:37 gribble The Big Lebowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Lebowski>; The Big Lebowski (1998) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes>; verbs - "The Dude abides" — what does "abide" mean in that context ...: <http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38213/the-dude-abides-what-does-abide-mean-in-that-context>
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10:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00036451 = 15.8562 BTC [-] {2}
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11:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1090 @ 0.0012 = 1.308 BTC [+]
11:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4791 @ 0.00037105 = 1.7777 BTC [+]
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11:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00035833 = 22.9331 BTC [-] {3}
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12:29 punkman http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/04/uber-confirms-new-1-2b-funding-round-looks-to-asia-for-expansion/
12:29 assbot Uber Confirms New $1.2B Funding Round At $40B Valuation | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlVK9Q )
12:29 punkman infinite funbux
12:42 bagels7 i would just like to point out what a burden it would be to marry a crazy woman in today's politically correct world where the woman can do no wrong.
12:42 bagels7 Feminism is the new fascism and it needs to be addressed before men are entirely pussified from birth
12:44 bagels7 http://gyazo.com/9232319c36cd8ad0a1d4a6854a8792e8
12:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlWzj7 )
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13:10 nubbins` bagels7 ah get out
13:11 nubbins` ya fuckin wizard
13:11 bagels7 get out of what
13:12 nubbins` here
13:12 bagels7 i must preach to the 144 corners of the internet
13:13 nubbins` preach it to your next can of frosting
13:13 bagels7 are you brittish are stupid
13:13 bagels7 since when is wizard an insult
13:14 nubbins` !down bagels7
13:14 nubbins` what's the use!
13:14 mats_cd03 move somewhere reasonable, then
13:15 mats_cd03 your part of the well isn't the only spot in town, you know
13:15 nubbins` am i not allowed to down him becaause assbot hasn't refreshed the trust list?
13:16 bagels7 you have failed to give me a coherent response
13:16 mats_cd03 ;;gettrust bagels7 assbot
13:16 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user bagels7 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bagels7&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
13:17 nubbins` it's the other way
13:17 nubbins` assbot bagels7
13:17 mats_cd03 da person to complain to.
13:17 nubbins` kekekbrekla
13:17 mats_cd03 just look at the graph
13:17 nubbins` no, that's the wrong graph
13:17 nubbins` he could just rate assbot if that were the case.
13:18 nubbins` ;;gettrust assbot bagels7
13:18 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7!bagels7@unaffiliated/bagels7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bagels7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bagels7 | Rated since: Tue Nov 11 00:46:41 2014
13:18 mats_cd03 dpb <<
13:18 nubbins` ^
13:21 adlai bagels7: 144? you're off by a factor of 36. http://timecube.com/imageFUA.JPG
13:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tTljPn )
13:21 bagels7 I always off by some factor
13:35 TomServo http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/12/04/transgender-athletes-policy-vote
13:35 assbot High school league votes to let transgender athletes pick their teams | Minnesota Public Radio News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vRv1ac )
13:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 990 @ 0.001207 = 1.1949 BTC [+]
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14:17 punkman http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/asia/superbugs-kill-indias-babies-and-pose-an-overseas-threat.html
14:18 assbot Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1yryw8m )
14:29 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3ZsloECMAAdj5B.png
14:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yrBTfx )
14:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27772 @ 0.00037538 = 10.4251 BTC [+] {2}
14:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00036296 = 13.5566 BTC [-]
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15:02 punkman "In 50 years, US trust in government dropped from 77% (1964) to 24% (2014)" << is that because everyone was high back then?
15:05 kakobrekla yet trust in god remains at what, 90?
15:06 punkman ;;gettrust god
15:06 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user punkman to user god: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=god | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=god | Rated since: never
15:07 ben_vulpes uh
15:07 ben_vulpes that's a great wot handle
15:07 ben_vulpes GET IT
15:08 punkman "google @ 40,000 searches per second, 144m/hour, 3.456b/day, 1.2t/year" << lower than I imagined
15:08 punkman at least 20k per second must be bots
15:15 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because not everyone can Tyrone. link came to you from lulzmines
15:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.01027433 = 1.0274 BTC [-]
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16:22 punkman hah http://rt.com/usa/210895-usa-marijuana-smuggle-mexico/
16:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tUgu8f )
16:25 undata punkman: ours is way better than that rubbish they grow
16:26 punkman yeah because mexicans ain't heard of indoor growing
16:29 mats_cd03 that's expensive
16:33 punkman from undata's neighborhood https://twitter.com/mperham/status/539861729468248066/photo/1
16:33 assbot Portland http://t.co/vd3jRdMxqL
16:34 undata that's about right
16:35 undata needs more rain though
16:36 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/congress-man-proposes-bill-h-r-5777-full-text-attached/
16:36 assbot Congress Man Proposes Bill (H.R. 5777 Full Text Attached) | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJYs2Q )
16:39 undata BingoBoingo: that he's proposing something in the realm of sane is not surprising given that he's on the way out of congress :p
16:40 BingoBoingo Well... on the outs...
16:41 undata the guy might as well submit a bill to bring back the gold standard while he's at it
16:43 undata I've been doing some reading on systemd; I had no idea just how many services it ate
16:43 undata among them cron?!
16:44 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/11-bidders-27-bids-in-latest-usms-bitcoin-auction/
16:44 assbot 11 Bidders 27 Bids in Latest USMS Bitcoin Auction | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJZzj8 )
16:44 BingoBoingo Yeah systemd eventually is supposed to eat the entire userland, so Pulse audio works better or something.
16:45 undata haha
16:46 undata I like the idea of declarative config, knowing dependencies and whatnot; upstart doesn't seem too onerous to me
16:46 BingoBoingo Also it the honorific "Congress Man" was indeed intended over the title "Congressman"
16:46 BingoBoingo Openrc might be fine too
16:46 undata that's what I'm using locally
16:47 undata I tried systemd and bizarre breakage occurred which I couldn't be bothered to debug
16:47 undata it wouldn't mount /home for example
16:49 BingoBoingo I dunno why if init is the problem the solution also replaces console kit and everything else
16:49 undata and it kills the competition between for example various implementations of cron
16:50 undata or network fiddlers or whatever
16:50 BingoBoingo And don't boohoo about X "needing" root without sytemd, because http://www.xenocara.org/ has done that for some time
16:50 assbot Xenocara ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK0QH6 )
16:51 BingoBoingo !up Belxjander
16:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 35000 @ 0.00003895 = 1.3633 BTC [-] {7}
16:52 mircea_popescu lol pulse audio still exists ?!
16:52 mircea_popescu ndata> it wouldn't mount /home for example << prolly home didn't have the right pid.
16:54 BingoBoingo Fuck you Slate http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/nyregion/james-watsons-nobel-medal-sells-for-record-4-million.html
16:54 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK1q7M )
16:54 mircea_popescu lol
16:55 mircea_popescu of course it was going to break the record. all "art" is going through roof.
16:55 mircea_popescu random romanian first timer sold some painting for ~1.5mn
16:56 undata "The sale also became symbolic of a quest for redemption after he became what he called an “unperson” in the scientific community seven years ago; he had told the The Sunday Times of London Magazine in an interview that he was pessimistic about Africa because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really.”
16:56 undata ^ made to apologize
16:56 undata uh... lol?
16:56 undata I dated a black virologist for a time; her prescription for Africa was 30 years of quarantine
16:56 * BingoBoingo wonders about all of the angry postgrads with no money wishing they could afford Watson's LSD
16:57 undata same chick threatened me with airborne ebola once; I didn't bother to find out whether she was serious
17:06 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/jenna-bush-admits-to-hanky-panky-on-the-white-house-r-1666727070 << Bush daughter
17:06 assbot Jenna Bush Admits to "Hanky Panky" on the White House Roof ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK3zQT )
17:09 mircea_popescu ;;rated thebroker
17:09 gribble You rated user thebroker on Wed Oct 15 15:45:56 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Broker..
17:10 mircea_popescu ;;rate thebroker -1 aka digicoins.io. Inept and unreliable smalltimer.
17:10 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thebroker has changed from 1 to -1.
17:11 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust moo-_-
17:11 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moo-_-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moo-_- | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moo-_- | Rated since: never
17:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1004 @ 0.001207 = 1.2118 BTC [+]
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17:37 mircea_popescu !up michiel_l
17:37 BingoBoingo !up BlueMeanie4
17:39 michiel_l mircea_popescu: thanks
17:42 pete_dushenski "Kmart has become the second major retailer to pull controversial video game franchise Grand Theft Auto from its Australian stores... Target said on Wednesday it would stop selling the game in response to customer complaints sparked by an online petition posted by three women identifying themselves as victims of violence in the sex industry."
17:42 pete_dushenski no porn in uk, no games in aus
17:43 pete_dushenski what's next, no ping pong in nz?
17:43 undata they'll ban sheep-fucking
17:43 pete_dushenski "no game with the world balls shall be permitted"
17:43 pete_dushenski *word
17:44 undata I watched a documentary recently on the prevalence of suicide in some dreary UK town. I'm not surprised.
17:45 mircea_popescu michiel_l sure. what winds bring you here ?
17:45 undata looks like it's called "Death Town"
17:46 mircea_popescu wait, someone still buys at target ?!
17:46 undata it was among other things an interesting look at how people waste away under socialist nanny states
17:46 mircea_popescu is this target trollbaiting in the hopes someone's going to like, go to their store ?
17:48 pete_dushenski hey who knows, this stunt might actually work
17:49 pete_dushenski people walk in just to see the bare shelves with their own eyes
17:49 pete_dushenski then, while they're there, buy something they didn't need
17:49 mircea_popescu ima totally gonna go to target to buy beached whales belabouring under the delusion that people laughing them out of bars = "victims of violence"
17:49 mircea_popescu "in the sex industree"
17:50 pete_dushenski dat ancient profession..
17:50 mircea_popescu hopefully i'll get a price per head, so i won't have to pay per pound.
17:50 pete_dushenski pay per pound of bone
17:51 pete_dushenski then see how "big boned" she really is
17:51 mircea_popescu lol
17:51 pete_dushenski target bought all the zellers stores in canada and has failed miserably to penetrate the market
17:52 pete_dushenski there's really not much room in the market between walmart and the bay
17:53 undata target... recently infamous for a massive theft of credit cards
17:56 pete_dushenski idem home depot... usps too iirc
17:58 mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Whales_on_beach%2C_Farewell_Split%2C_South_Island%2C_New_Zealand.JPG << check out derps saving the world.
17:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Binrst )
17:59 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
17:59 gribble Current Blocks: 332900 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1755 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36810432135.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.9911
17:59 pete_dushenski bouche-a-bouche!
18:00 pete_dushenski if it weren't for "free willy" no one would bother with killer whales, too "mean"
18:01 pete_dushenski on second glance, those might not be killers...
18:01 undata mircea_popescu: maybe the poor fucks were trying to commit suicide
18:01 undata how rude to deny them that
18:01 mircea_popescu it's unclear what causes it
18:01 mircea_popescu but the part where they put cozies on them is cute.
18:01 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i dun think killer whales ever beach
18:01 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Never forget Tillikum, the great freedom fighter.
18:03 pete_dushenski ;;google beached killer whale
18:03 gribble Nine Killer Whales Die In Rare Mass Beaching in New Zealand | TIME: <http://time.com/6812/killer-whales-die-mass-beaching-new-zealand-video/>; Why Did 9 Killer Whales Die in New Zealand? - TakePart: <http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/02/12/9-killer-whales-die-mass-stranding-baffles-experts>; Cetacean stranding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
18:03 pete_dushenski rare =! never ever ;)
18:04 mircea_popescu a ? well i guess that's something i learned today then
18:05 pete_dushenski whales love beaches
18:05 undata they're trying to re-evolve legs
18:06 cazalla pete_dushenski, no-one in the history of Australia has ever purchase vidya games from kmart
18:07 cazalla and if they did, it was merely so they could take the game back for a refund after copying the cd key
18:08 mircea_popescu .l.
18:09 mircea_popescu lol*
18:09 BingoBoingo ,k,
18:09 pete_dushenski kmart: funding drm scams since 1985
18:14 pete_dushenski "To date, the developers have raised just over $65m from nearly 700,000 backers, which makes Star Citizen the largest crowdfunded project there has ever been by a huge margin. (The next largest, a publishing platform called Ethereum, has raised a comparatively paltry $18m.)"
18:15 pete_dushenski $2,500 for a video game space ship... fuck me
18:15 cazalla star citizen better deliver the goods
18:16 undata it's all about No Man's Sky anyway
18:17 pete_dushenski and calling buterin's scam a "publishing platform" is awfully generous
18:18 pete_dushenski cazalla if gta5 can deliver, then surely something with a fraction of the drugs, violence, and sex industree can
18:18 mircea_popescu lol
18:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00036115 = 7.223 BTC [-]
18:19 pete_dushenski star citizen will prove, once and for all, that consumers really want good clean fun
18:19 undata bah
18:19 pete_dushenski undata is that a console game too?
18:19 undata pete_dushenski: yeah, upcoming space sim with a generated universe
18:19 undata looks incredible if it delivers
18:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00035894 = 5.0252 BTC [-]
18:20 pete_dushenski neato
18:21 undata Cloud Imperium does look pretty badass, if the videos are any indication of where it's headed
18:21 undata there's something amusing in there about proles pouring enough money to build a real rocket into a toy, but..
18:22 pete_dushenski real rockets don't provide as many hours of entertainment for as many proles
18:23 pete_dushenski it's all about roi where "return" is in units of time mindlessly consumed
18:24 undata "The humans then turned their attention inward, creating ever more realistic virtual worlds to live within. The comet hit in 2091."
18:26 cazalla pete_dushenski, i can see paying $2,500 for a ship in a game, not as a pre-order mind you. i hope for a game where bitcoin is the ingame currency and players set pricing for resources independent of publisher
18:27 pete_dushenski cazalla it'll happen
18:27 undata cazalla: if you pay me $2.5k, I will imagine an incredible ship for you.
18:28 mircea_popescu <cazalla> pete_dushenski, i can see paying $2,500 for a ship in a game, not as a pre-order mind you. i hope for a game where bitcoin is the ingame currency and players set pricing for resources independent of publisher << it;'s called eve
18:28 mircea_popescu 2-3k is about what a titan costs
18:28 mircea_popescu boring as fuck, also.
18:30 pete_dushenski so it exists, trilema guild and all
18:30 pete_dushenski undata how incredible are we talking? like built-in-easy-bake-oven-incredible?
18:31 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc3_Iy1UouQ << for my curiosity, anyone know what this is ?
18:31 assbot Mihai Margineanu - Tiganeasca - super tare melodia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4jxlC )
18:32 cazalla mircea_popescu, ya, i know of eve but who wants to fuck about with fiat to isk to bitcoin, y u nao use bitcoin itself already
18:33 mircea_popescu actually you can go isk-bitcoin straight.
18:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00035894 = 2.8715 BTC [-]
18:33 mircea_popescu for that matter, you can trade s.mpoe for isk
18:33 pete_dushenski if only the dumper knew that before!
18:35 cazalla mircea_popescu, is isk created in same fashion as wow gold?
18:35 mircea_popescu pretty much
18:42 pete_dushenski so i've decided to join the mechanical keyboard ranks
18:42 mats_cd03 so hip
18:42 pete_dushenski i ordered a model m and a unicomp to see how they stack up
18:42 pete_dushenski tres chic
18:43 mircea_popescu you people with your retro fashions will be the end of the fucking world
18:43 mircea_popescu buncha terrorists
18:43 mircea_popescu what's next, mechanical sex instead of virtual sex ?
18:44 pete_dushenski lol
18:45 pete_dushenski maybe mechanical bitcoin miners are on the horizon
18:45 pete_dushenski they could be built to last for 1000s of years
18:47 pete_dushenski and what is #b-a if not terrorist central?
18:49 pete_dushenski speaking of nothing, my latest: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/03/to-a-redditard/
18:49 assbot To A Redditard | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4kJFF )
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19:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00035894 = 4.8457 BTC [-]
19:14 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/3S4LVAm.jpg << :D
19:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4mHG4 )
19:15 cazalla anyone have a windows phone?
19:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3960 @ 0.00120942 = 4.7893 BTC [+] {4}
19:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1756 @ 0.00121769 = 2.1383 BTC [+] {5}
19:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4275 @ 0.00122498 = 5.2368 BTC [+] {5}
19:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3629 @ 0.001225 = 4.4455 BTC [+] {2}
19:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1301 @ 0.00122999 = 1.6002 BTC [+] {3}
19:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1676 @ 0.00123548 = 2.0707 BTC [+] {9}
19:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34352 @ 0.00035485 = 12.1898 BTC [-] {3}
19:22 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu cute! that's pretty much what the non-migratory fauna look like here atm. twas -35C last week, though a blessed -10C today
19:23 mircea_popescu lol
19:23 mircea_popescu it's been 28 here.
19:24 pete_dushenski eh i don't mind the crispness in the slightest
19:24 pete_dushenski sharpens the mind
19:24 mircea_popescu it surely sharpens the cock.
19:25 pete_dushenski though i tend to spend >1 month per winter somewhere warm so it's easy for me to say :D
19:25 pete_dushenski sharpens, shrivels, shrinks, shortens...
19:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57200 @ 0.00034255 = 19.5939 BTC [-] {3}
19:31 Bet created: "Gold to drop under $1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1080/
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19:45 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1080/ Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,979.
19:59 mircea_popescu http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/thinking-expensive-occupation/
19:59 assbot Thinking Is An Expensive Occupation ... ( http://bit.ly/122oRbu )
19:59 mircea_popescu "Perhaps he was handed the story by the CIA, as German journalist Udo Ulfkotte confesses he often was."
20:08 undata http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/04/the-poor-used-to-have-the-most-opportunity-in-america-now-the-rich-do/?tid=rssfeed << oh dear such lols
20:08 assbot The poor used to have the most opportunity in America. Now the rich do. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/122qVQW )
20:10 mircea_popescu this is true tho. numerically : the poor used to have 0.8 opportunity, and the rich 0.75
20:10 mircea_popescu now, the poor have 0.011 opportunity. the rich, 0.012
20:10 mircea_popescu thus therefore.
20:11 undata "notice, I've created this graph."
20:11 undata *audience nods vigorously*
20:11 mircea_popescu "it is made of graphene"
20:11 undata *breaks finger upvoting*
20:12 asciilifeform 'send graphologist now!'
20:13 asciilifeform the poor used to... the rich << sentence made of almost pure nothing - like aerogel.
20:13 asciilifeform who is 'poor' here, who - 'rich', and what do the latter 'have' more of
20:13 undata "And the 1990s, remember, were the good times for the middle class."
20:13 asciilifeform (money? 'no shit, sherlock.' buying power? of what?)
20:14 undata yes I'm sure it feels great when you're running up your credit cards with abandon
20:14 undata feels not so great when you have to start paying them
20:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00033771 = 9.7429 BTC [-] {3}
20:15 asciilifeform this bizarre fiction - i never understood.
20:15 mircea_popescu they've got the opportunity to send their kids to college :D
20:16 mike_c totally on topic: can someone tell me how to say "date of birth" in spanish/mexican
20:16 asciilifeform what does it even mean to 'borrow' something from somebody with infinite supply of it (printing press) ?
20:16 asciilifeform why not skip straight to chattel slavery - more honest, makes immediate sense to everybody.
20:16 mircea_popescu mike_c fecha de nacimineto
20:17 asciilifeform nacimiento ?
20:17 mike_c thanks. that what google translate said but i didn't know if that was just robot talk.
20:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ayup
20:21 undata +asciilifeform | why not skip straight to chattel slavery - more honest, makes immediate sense to everybody. << this is "why propaganda?" isn't it
20:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not sure if you've noticed, but the movement is AWAY from direct sense, towards meta.
20:23 asciilifeform undata: let's put another way. if we're subsistence farmers, neighbours, i borrow your horse - then you ask for it back plus p% of harvest, and it makes a kind of hind brain sense because you were deprived of a horse for a spell, after all
20:23 mircea_popescu that'd be why.
20:23 asciilifeform undata: but let's say you have a martian contraption that craps out complete horses on demand, at no cost, at the push of a button
20:23 undata asciilifeform: the metaphor needs the horses to get smaller the more of them there are :D
20:23 asciilifeform then the idea of paying back begins to feel like pure rape
20:23 asciilifeform smaller, yes. but this is not immediately apparent to the borrower.
20:24 asciilifeform nor - often - the lender.
20:25 mircea_popescu this'd work fine in practice for as long as the martian contraption owner didn't also have a cock
20:25 asciilifeform thing is, the machine's very presence upon the good earth - is death.
20:25 asciilifeform to everyone.
20:25 asciilifeform but of course any particular owner will disagree. go try to tell him.
20:25 mircea_popescu but a state with economic involvement and the custody of the currency is like...
20:25 mircea_popescu well, yeah.
20:26 asciilifeform comes the day when everyone is not only plowing with horses the size of chihuahuas, but paying dearly for the privilege
20:27 asciilifeform (paying whom? 'king hunger', but there are always human faces and eventually bashed in)
20:29 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
20:29 gribble Current Blocks: 332913 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1742 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36794661668.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.03052
20:29 undata it seems like in state-run economies, when they print money what they're actually manufacturing is ownership
20:29 asciilifeform of what?
20:29 undata then you can rent ownership from the state, but never have it yourself
20:29 undata hence you receive "ownership" from the state but have to give it back more
20:30 asciilifeform aha you can 'rent' something from a psychotic terrorist.
20:31 asciilifeform until the voices in his head say 'ransom was too small' and he changes mind.
20:31 undata sure, then he can either steal from you, or print more, which steals from you just the same
20:31 undata asciilifeform: how bout ownership of power?
20:32 mircea_popescu meta-ownership lol
20:32 undata it seems fitting, the state in this case can issue power, but revoke it at will
20:32 asciilifeform aha now we're not simply paying a psychotic terrorist not to kill us, but 'renting' something. legitimate commerce, aha.
20:32 asciilifeform lol.
20:34 asciilifeform all this 'meta' business - is for the birds. i prefer the concrete.
20:34 asciilifeform like snot.
20:34 * asciilifeform drowning in snot very conretely
20:34 asciilifeform *concretely
20:35 * asciilifeform very concretely rages in delirium
20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46744 @ 0.00035476 = 16.5829 BTC [+]
20:35 mircea_popescu lol
20:35 mircea_popescu but if you look at it, pretty much all effort goes towards meta.
20:36 undata well sure, I pay my landlord to rent this apt, he pays the bank for the building and the state for the dirt
20:36 undata seems like the bank and the state both own some ownership
20:37 asciilifeform undata: and the state pays thugs to practice killing you
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27006 @ 0.00035384 = 9.5558 BTC [-]
20:37 mircea_popescu that's not even what i mean.
20:37 mircea_popescu you're not "supposed to" beat your own kids. you're supposed to... "be better than that". and do it ? indirectly! ha! win.
20:38 mircea_popescu ask some chick if she wants to get laid ? o but... not meta enough!
20:38 mircea_popescu what's worse than being a farmer ?
20:38 mircea_popescu what's more socially acceptable than playing the farmer on facebook ?
20:38 mircea_popescu meta i tell you.
20:38 mircea_popescu the only reason hipsters have moved on to bikes is that they're meta cars
20:38 mircea_popescu (cars having been for a while meta-horses)
20:39 mircea_popescu what's all teh "ironic" trend if not, you know, "i'm meta-er than you ha!"
20:39 undata ah when I hear meta I think metaprogramming
20:40 asciilifeform metastases.
20:40 mircea_popescu just, replace a thing with a label of the thing
20:40 mircea_popescu then replace the label.
20:40 mircea_popescu and then the replacement.
20:41 undata ah I was just ranting earlier about how all american communication has been reduced to marketing
20:42 undata reminds me of the Bill Hicks routine where he tells everyone in marketing in the audience to kill themselves
20:42 asciilifeform what other kind of communication is possible between chumpatron operator and the feedstock ?
20:43 undata https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo
20:43 assbot Bill Hicks on Marketing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/12Dvz8P )
20:43 asciilifeform granted, a particularly demented farmer might sing to the cattle for his own strange reasons, and no practical purpose
20:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the difference between us here is that you seem to include the margin. i say there's no margin included.
20:46 mircea_popescu no farmer.
20:46 mircea_popescu no lizzard hitler. merely a cognitive disease.
20:50 undata "the recovery" << there's a good one
20:50 undata it's the economic "jesus is coming back"
20:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11094 @ 0.00035612 = 3.9508 BTC [+]
20:52 undata mircea_popescu: does the disease reduce to "can't tell the difference between imagined and perceived"
20:52 undata and having said that, I can already see the problem with that framing
20:53 undata I can name delusional thinking much more easily than I can say to what coherent thinking might be anchored
20:56 undata there's both a bootstrapping problem there as well as a finger-vs-moon thing
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21:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00034619 = 6.9238 BTC [-]
21:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19527 @ 0.00034619 = 6.7601 BTC [-]
21:34 mats_cd03 http://phk.freebsd.dk/UCO/
21:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApwmVP )
21:35 mats_cd03 'Crypto-CS-SETI Challenge'
21:38 mircea_popescu https://cryptoconsortium.org/
21:38 assbot CryptoCurrency Certification Consortium (C4) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApxIje )
21:38 mircea_popescu who are these fuckwits.
21:38 mircea_popescu seriously, "certified bitcoin professional" ?! professional whats ?
21:38 thestringpuller lol C4...
21:39 thestringpuller does this mean they are going to go boom?
21:39 mircea_popescu Mission Statement
21:39 mircea_popescu The CryptoCurrency Certification Consortium (C4) establishes cryptocurrency standards that help ensure a balance of openness & privacy, security & usability, and trust & decentralization.
21:39 mircea_popescu Board of Directors
21:39 mircea_popescu The following people work to set the direction of C4 and the standards against which cryptocurrency professionals are measured:
21:39 mircea_popescu Vitalik Buterin
21:39 thestringpuller !up Dr-G2
21:39 mircea_popescu dude holy shit already. how much derpage can this one dude sprout.
21:39 decimation re: mechanical fetish << one thing I don't get are mechanical watches, they have poor accuracy
21:39 mircea_popescu and of course diiorio and the rest of that scammer group.
21:40 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: I wonder if Buterin has an assistant who just helps him spout derpage. "Paid Derpage Roller", much like Snoop Dogg (Lion?)'s "Blunt Roller".
21:40 decimation maybe the real bitcoin foundation can apply for a certification
21:42 mircea_popescu Bitcoin tipping sees giant growth: ChangeTip exceeds 10,000 tips in bla bla.
21:42 mircea_popescu srsly.
21:42 mircea_popescu i dunno that there's something chilling me on bitcoin as much as all these idiots "driving adoption" in their idiotarian ways.
21:42 mircea_popescu you may call me a codger, but im not the only one.
21:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94352 @ 0.00034888 = 32.9175 BTC [+] {2}
21:44 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> i dunno that there's something chilling me on bitcoin as much as all these idiots "driving adoption" in their idiotarian ways. << OMG SELL
21:44 mircea_popescu SEAL!
21:45 decimation yeah the vocal derp ratio is pretty high
21:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00033714 = 8.1756 BTC [-] {2}
21:45 BingoBoingo Ah, yeah I meant seal. SEAL ALL THE CLUBS!!!
21:46 mircea_popescu meanwhile,
21:46 mircea_popescu ;;google bdsm buenos aires
21:46 gribble Buenos Aires BDSM : La Casona del Sado, aka Faker House - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/buenos-aires-bdsm-la-casona-del-sado-aka-faker-house/>; BDSM. - Buenos Aires | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/pages/BDSM-Buenos-Aires/457879384268308?_fb_noscript=1>; Trumpling & FemDom - DOMINA MAXIMA -Buenos Aires- Argentina ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hctrVfrdwdQ>
21:46 mircea_popescu the shit trilema dominates...
21:46 mircea_popescu facebook, youtube, you name it.
21:46 thestringpuller ;;google gpg contract
21:46 gribble GPG Contracts – Adler Vermillion, LLP: <http://adlervermillion.com/gpg-contracts/>; GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/>; Received by NSD/FARA Registration Unit 10/18/2013 1:35:25 PM: <http://www.fara.gov/docs/5666-Exhibit-AB-20131018-33.pdf>
21:47 thestringpuller that top one ripped off your article and stole your spot
21:49 mircea_popescu lol no ?!
21:50 mircea_popescu isn't this the guy that's active on like twitter and stuff ?
21:50 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/#comment-93160 ya it's him
21:50 assbot The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApBpFV )
21:53 mircea_popescu http://acti.fi/wp-content/serwer-bitcoin/bitcoin-police-irc.php << wtf is this anyway ?
21:53 assbot Bitcoin Police Irc | Serwer Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApC3mB )
21:54 mircea_popescu especially the Warning: file_get_contents(http://bitcoin.guylainegagnon.ca/tmp/request.php?ip= part lol
21:56 decimation interesting http://www.tristatehomepage.com/story/d/story/liberty-dollar-founder-von-nothaus-sentenced-to-ho/17589/F7ET48RAY0yE7MuvzXcGwQ << von nothaus was sentenced to 6 months house arrest
21:56 assbot Liberty Dollar Founder von Nothaus Sentenced to House Arrest for Counterfeiting - Tristatehomepage - Eyewitness News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApD52a )
21:58 mircea_popescu satoshitango.com <<< shit an' go!
21:58 mircea_popescu sentenced to HO ?
21:59 decimation I guess usg is tacitly admitting it had no case and is frightened of an appeal
21:59 decimation either that or the guy flipped on someone
22:01 mircea_popescu dude check it out, #bitcoin00/#bitcoin01 empty!
22:05 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/members/laszlo.59/#postings (lfnet)
22:05 assbot laszlo | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApFOsq )
22:09 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/von-nothaus-gets-house-arrest/
22:09 assbot Von NotHaus Gets House Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApHdPu )
22:10 undata http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/guantanamo/article4263887.html << more language destruction
22:10 assbot Pentagon fears blowback from ‘humane’ Guantánamo video release | The Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApHulD )
22:12 mircea_popescu “While the videos at issue in this litigation do not in my opinion depict any improper treatment of the detainees, but rather the lawful, humane and appropriate interaction between guards and detainees,” wrote U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Sinclair Harris, “persons and entities hostile to the United States and its detention of enemy belligerents at Guantánamo Bay are likely to think otherwise.”
22:13 mircea_popescu dude freedom changed to democracy.
22:14 undata liberation from hunger
22:14 undata I should learn latin just so I have something to think in when they're done turning english into shit
22:16 mircea_popescu or romanian. it has better curses.
22:16 decimation romanians taught latin to socrates
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00033633 = 9.6863 BTC [-] {2}
22:17 mircea_popescu lol
22:17 BingoBoingo http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=4034991
22:17 assbot Von NotHaus Sentenced to House Arrest - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApJESa )
22:18 BingoBoingo ^ Anyone with /. account pls vote up. Will thank with absolution of sin.
22:19 decimation dirty papists
22:20 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/hash-sec-throttling-for-democracy.301/ << idiotic reform proposals, as old as bitcoin
22:20 assbot Hash/sec Throttling for Democracy | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApKXRg )
22:22 undata Therefore, why not cap the number of hashes per second? If the operations were capped at say, 250khash/sec based upon system clock and not the available number of cycles, then anyone with the "minimum requirements" could participate << cap the standards of your wife so everyone can participate
22:22 mircea_popescu and since im doing history, http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/
22:22 assbot Bastard Operator From Hell Official Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApLqTv )
22:23 decimation "we would gladly destroy the rich man's nice things just so we call all have poor hovels"
22:25 undata seems like a drive related to being suicidal
22:27 mircea_popescu actually i think it's related to forcing whiny nerds to defend their fucking civ1 cities,
22:27 mircea_popescu which otherwise they fucking never do.
22:27 BingoBoingo http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/health/cdc-warns-that-flu-season-may-be-more-deadly-than-usual.html
22:27 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1ApMYNl )
22:28 decimation I never bother to invest in military units until I have good tech
22:28 decimation but I can be easily owned by aggressive barbarians
22:29 mircea_popescu lol
22:29 mircea_popescu this is so uniquely peculiar to you i swear...
22:29 decimation this strategy works better in civ 5 where your cities can magically defend themselves
22:30 undata sprint to nukes, destroy earth, rule over the radioactive wasteland.
22:30 mircea_popescu i only played civ 1, but nukes were a splendid tool to destory ships
22:30 mircea_popescu no sea pollution, magically.
22:34 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i only played civ 1, but nukes were a splendid tool to destory ships << This, in civ2 I loaded aircraft carriers with nuclear missiles
22:35 BingoBoingo However many nukes +1 fighter jet for defense
22:36 BingoBoingo I always tried to keep my territory under my flag small, clean, and well developed while oppressing the rest of the world
22:36 decimation civ5 with nuke subs is fun
22:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3568 @ 0.00035585 = 1.2697 BTC [+]
22:44 * BingoBoingo remembers being a Junior in college and contemplating buying a giant pile of Liberty Dollars. Then I go BTC to silver around $100/BTC, Should have got those liberty dollars and went the other direction.
22:55 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
22:55 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 368.01, Best ask: 368.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 368.11, 24 hour volume: 12473.27401807, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 378.99, 24 hour vwap: 368.463672328
23:09 BingoBoingo Why not just fucking use Free or Dragonfly? https://github.com/bitrig/bitrig/wiki/Roadmap Ah startup money! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8701936
23:09 assbot Roadmap · bitrig/bitrig Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1vu4vDZ )
23:09 assbot Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vu4vUk )
23:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the top comment really belongs in the record here
23:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you never know when the yc shitgnomes will zap it
23:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I mean the fork they want already exists in Google's "android", a linux built with the OpenBSD libc
23:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: their purpose was to destroy the original
23:17 asciilifeform like termites.
23:17 asciilifeform poetterings.
23:17 asciilifeform There was a discussion about this on the OpenBSD misc mailing archives back in 2012: http://marc.info/?t=133961305400003&r=1&w=2 Theo's initial response to the thread, which may help illuminate the situation, was: "Except for the fact that it is bullshit. They started the fork because they got kicked out because one developer (Marco) hired 5 other developers for his startup company, and attempted to hire around 10 other deve
23:18 assbot 'OpenBSD forked' thread - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1vu6msz )
23:18 asciilifeform lopers in a sneaky and underhanded way. They were told, oh i forget they were "asked", to not tell anyone else in OpenBSD that this was happening, probably because people "including Theo" would be upset. Funny thing is, I've never been upset about the 20+ OpenBSD and ex-OpenBSD developers who now work for google. Previously, many of those developers were in critical positions in the development team. As they were suddenly hire
23:18 asciilifeform d with such terms and conditions, they became more scarce in OpenBSD --perhaps because they suddenly got real busy with work, but also to avoid telling others that this was happening. Various projects lagged. To avoid telling a lie, they instead chose to not tell the truth. It had effects. It was dishonest of them to not tell their co-developers that they were creating vacuums in the development process. So because of those de
23:18 asciilifeform cisions, they are now gone from OpenBSD. And now they miss it. So now, all these guys who work for the same company have started a fork. And it is directed by the guy who hired them in the first place. From where I stand, that is the truth. Yet none of that is in that article, because the truth hurts, doesn't it guys?"
23:18 asciilifeform there.
23:18 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/27ARP4K.txt )
23:18 BingoBoingo !b 5
23:18 asciilifeform notice that the perps ring all the typical 'leper's bells' of poetteringism.
23:18 asciilifeform emphasis on 'modernity', etc.
23:19 asciilifeform a willingness (and some basic ability) to play 'mean girls'
23:20 BingoBoingo Right, and they want to kill big kernel lock, upon which I dunno you can build security.
23:20 asciilifeform the thing that shitgnomes fear most is - sunlight.
23:20 asciilifeform recall mr spamgun ?
23:20 BingoBoingo At least in C
23:20 asciilifeform his maniacal insistence on 'confidentiality' with every new would-be chump.
23:20 BingoBoingo Mr. skip wires, Wi-fi cardano?
23:20 asciilifeform him.
23:20 BingoBoingo Ah, Mr. Flappy Plane
23:21 * asciilifeform missed that one, but doesn't give a fuck
23:21 asciilifeform while we're on the subject,
23:21 BingoBoingo According to him flappy plane is a total mischaracterization of his vision
23:22 asciilifeform i doubt that the openbsd devs were so direly impoverished that they agreed to serve enemy, knowing what he was
23:22 asciilifeform they almost certainly laboured under an illusion of one kind or another.
23:22 BingoBoingo I think the entire point of the OpenBSD financial crisis was an allergy to strings
23:23 asciilifeform the purpose of throwing sunlight down upon these creatures of the abyss, is - aside from flondoring - to warn the next set.
23:23 BingoBoingo I dunno that there's a better reason at all.
23:24 BingoBoingo Comming from Transylvania I'm sure mircea_popescu has experience slaughtering vampires with sunlight
23:26 BingoBoingo !up gsdgdfs
23:29 decimation the only feature on the list of improvements that I find remotely appealing is the fdisk tool
23:29 decimation openbsd disk partitioning is kinda annoying
23:30 BingoBoingo decimation: Well Hammer2fs might happen before 5.9 or 6.0...
23:31 BingoBoingo But seriously OpenBSD disk partitioning is MUCH better than Solaris 9 and 10
23:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48535 @ 0.00036034 = 17.4891 BTC [+] {4}
23:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73517 @ 0.00037288 = 27.413 BTC [+] {3}
23:33 decimation heh well that's true
23:34 decimation LVM is annoying to configure but it is highly flexible
23:34 mod6 it's just old school, thats all.
23:34 BingoBoingo Cylinders and shit aren't that hard
23:35 decimation well, the whole thing is going to be shot in the head when high speed non-volatile memory is common
23:36 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-12-2014#943161
23:36 assbot Logged on 03-12-2014 00:37:16; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because the whole disk-ram dichotomy is predicated on volatile ram.
23:37 BingoBoingo So, a lawyer is inquiring what my hourly rate is as an expert witness... What does everyone else charge?
23:37 decimation lol
23:37 BingoBoingo Super serious here
23:38 BingoBoingo Big firm in Chicago so I want to ad a Chicago sucks surcharge
23:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00037567 = 18.0322 BTC [+]
23:41 decimation my company sells my time at $210 per hour, but that's bezzle rates with bezzle qualifications
23:41 BingoBoingo Seriously though, what does an expert witness make?
23:41 decimation well, it's a supply and demand thing right?
23:41 BingoBoingo I'm fine quoting a price in bezzel dollars
23:41 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
23:42 Vexual bout 180 should slot you in politely between the photocopier kid and the big boys
23:46 decimation lol https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/dec/04/pentagon-finally-details-its-weapons-cops-giveaway/ << "Since 2006, police in Winthrop Harbor, Ill., a village of 6,700 along the shore of Lake Michigan, has received 10 helicopters, one mine-resistant armored vehicle and two Humvees, and other equipment, worth more than $6.5 million."
23:46 assbot The Pentagon Finally Details its Weapons-for-Cops Giveaway | Muckrock ... ( http://bit.ly/1vubnRN )
23:47 decimation maintenance on those helicopters alone would run easily a couple mil per year. this must be some kind of laundry
23:48 assbot dgeats +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
23:48 BingoBoingo !up dgeats
23:49 BingoBoingo hello dgeats
23:49 dgeats just make it an even 1 BTC
23:50 BingoBoingo The hassel of going to Chicago is expensive
23:50 Vexual plus expenses
23:50 decimation yeah duh
23:52 ben_vulpes ;;bc,stats
23:52 gribble Current Blocks: 332932 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1723 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36758772733.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.12023
23:52 ben_vulpes master bitcoin repository repository is currently at 295000
23:52 asciilifeform maintenance on those helicopters alone would run easily a couple mil per year << lol maintenance. they get brand new ones.
23:52 ben_vulpes a full 100k+ blocks behind
23:53 ben_vulpes a wait oom error
23:53 decimation asciilifeform: brand new helicopters require maintenance too
23:53 asciilifeform as the police choppermeister where i live cheerfully admitted during a public show&tell.
23:53 decimation plus I thought they were getting busted down old war birds
23:53 asciilifeform decimation: nah, replacement works fine.
23:53 asciilifeform ad infinitum.
23:53 decimation heh
23:53 decimation 10 helicopters = 1 flying?
23:53 asciilifeform they aren't getting 'apache', no.
23:53 asciilifeform small general-purpose choppers with thermovisors.
23:53 decimation 'little bird'
23:54 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD_Helicopters_MH-6_Little_Bird
23:54 assbot MD Helicopters MH-6 Little Bird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vucCjQ )
23:55 asciilifeform police choppers don't shoot. (why would they need to ?)
23:55 decimation demilitarized of course
23:56 decimation probably not little birds though, probably something more like UH-1
23:57 asciilifeform actually what i saw (forgot precisely what brand!) was a tiny thing with a jet engine. big enough for two men and a bulbous camera, and two hours of jp-4.
23:58 decimation yeah, that's like the little bird
23:58 decimation I think if I were to buy an aircraft I would get a turboprop or small jet
23:58 decimation due to ubiquity of jp-4
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