#trilema | 2014-12-06

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asciilifeform

these folks will eventually build arse-mouth systems and try to eat their own shit.

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asciilifeform

it is the logical conclusion of their thought process.

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asciilifeform

'We laugh at that fable about the village of simpletons who, when their bed blankets became too short for their growing kids, extended these blankets by cutting off a piece from one end and sewing it to the other. Or the more modern tale of a drunkard who could afford to drink every day because he always took his empty bottles back for a deposit. And yet many otherwise intelligent people believe, apparently not stopping even f

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asciilifeform

or one minute to think whether what they say makes any sense, that Henry Ford, the American entrepreneur whose worldview wouldn't probably stand much scrutiny from the modern perspective, gained his place in the canon of progressive feelgood policies for paying his workers the back then unheard-of high daily salary of $5, which made them wealthy enough to buy Ford automobiles, which in turn made the Ford company profitable.' (

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asciilifeform

ilkka kokkarinen)

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decimation

the empty bottles in this case being the legacy of unix, in its million forms

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decimation

really, it's all just an extension of the lowly spammers desire to make money while he sleeps

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gernika

Man. I used to subscribe to this forum called the Micropreneuer academy. I see now that this was exactly their propsal: spam to make money while you sleep.

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asciilifeform

a spammer is ridiculous not because he wishes to make money while sleeping, but because he is willing to work an 18 hour day to do it.

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gernika

Exactly. I slept very little while I was trying to follow their recipe.

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gernika

These people were constantly working

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gernika

And at the same time calling it passive income.

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gernika

Whatever scheme they came up with inevitably ran out of steam after at most a few years.

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gernika

There was a constant search for some unexploited google search phrase

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asciilifeform

briefly back to the earlier thread: no one should be surprised if a thing like 'joyent' turns into a vehicle for some imbecile's masturbatory 'justice' fantasies

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asciilifeform

it was never anything else to begin with

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asciilifeform

nor the pseudo-industry it was part of

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asciilifeform

http://anticache.img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/oglaf-comics-magic-illusionist-1131130.jpeg

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assbot

... ( http://bit.ly/1A2HJlR )

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asciilifeform

(original site down)

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assbot

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10508 @ 0.00044425 = 4.6682 BTC [+]

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undata

decimation | really, it's all just an extension of the lowly spammers desire to make money while he sleeps << cheap credit spawned a generation of these

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undata

shit-garglers like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kiyosaki

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assbot

Robert Kiyosaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5Yuyd )

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undata

several generations of Americans at least believe that this is precisely what success looks like: you buy and sell a few houses and your life is on autopilot from then on

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00:01	asciilifeform	these folks will eventually build arse-mouth systems and try to eat their own shit.
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00:01	asciilifeform	it is the logical conclusion of their thought process.
00:02	asciilifeform	'We laugh at that fable about the village of simpletons who, when their bed blankets became too short for their growing kids, extended these blankets by cutting off a piece from one end and sewing it to the other. Or the more modern tale of a drunkard who could afford to drink every day because he always took his empty bottles back for a deposit. And yet many otherwise intelligent people believe, apparently not stopping even f
00:02	asciilifeform	or one minute to think whether what they say makes any sense, that Henry Ford, the American entrepreneur whose worldview wouldn't probably stand much scrutiny from the modern perspective, gained his place in the canon of progressive feelgood policies for paying his workers the back then unheard-of high daily salary of $5, which made them wealthy enough to buy Ford automobiles, which in turn made the Ford company profitable.' (
00:02	asciilifeform	ilkka kokkarinen)
00:04	decimation	the empty bottles in this case being the legacy of unix, in its million forms
00:05	decimation	really, it's all just an extension of the lowly spammers desire to make money while he sleeps
00:09	gernika	Man. I used to subscribe to this forum called the Micropreneuer academy. I see now that this was exactly their propsal: spam to make money while you sleep.
00:11	asciilifeform	a spammer is ridiculous not because he wishes to make money while sleeping, but because he is willing to work an 18 hour day to do it.
00:11	gernika	Exactly. I slept very little while I was trying to follow their recipe.
00:12	gernika	These people were constantly working
00:13	gernika	And at the same time calling it passive income.
00:13	gernika	Whatever scheme they came up with inevitably ran out of steam after at most a few years.
00:15	gernika	There was a constant search for some unexploited google search phrase
00:15	asciilifeform	briefly back to the earlier thread: no one should be surprised if a thing like 'joyent' turns into a vehicle for some imbecile's masturbatory 'justice' fantasies
00:15	asciilifeform	it was never anything else to begin with
00:16	asciilifeform	nor the pseudo-industry it was part of
00:18	asciilifeform	http://anticache.img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/oglaf-comics-magic-illusionist-1131130.jpeg
00:18	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1A2HJlR )
00:18	asciilifeform	(original site down)
00:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10508 @ 0.00044425 = 4.6682 BTC [+]
00:29	undata	decimation \| really, it's all just an extension of the lowly spammers desire to make money while he sleeps << cheap credit spawned a generation of these
00:30	undata	shit-garglers like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kiyosaki
00:30	assbot	Robert Kiyosaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5Yuyd )
00:31	undata	several generations of Americans at least believe that this is precisely what success looks like: you buy and sell a few houses and your life is on autopilot from then on
00:37	mircea_popescu	gernika this wouldn't be something called Room77 ?
00:38	mircea_popescu	mthreat not so sure what starbucks measures.
00:39	gernika	mircea_popescu I have not heard of Room77 - google tells me it's some sort of hotel site.
00:39	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> honouring the 'lifetime warranty' for all the chumps put together - would this even add up to the cost of one lawyer-week ? << it makes no sense to me either.
00:40	mircea_popescu	gernika also in k
00:40	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> reading for the first time about 'joyent', i couldn't help but wonder - what are these 'technologies' actually for? if they were erased from the good earth overnight, would i notice ? <<< if node.js were erased you would notice.
00:41	mircea_popescu	just like if fat women were erased from the world you'd notice.
00:41	mircea_popescu	better internet, better world.
00:42	undata	at least it's chum for bad developers
00:42	undata	you know where they're at
00:42	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> ilkka kokkarinen) << there is some merit to the ford story, but specifically, that he majorily cut down on staff turnover by "overpaying". except all the other idiots were not accounting for training costs (in the form of, not building anything too complex)
00:43	mircea_popescu	so it gave him an unassailable advantage for just long enough.
00:43	mircea_popescu	undata sure, except for the obnoxious "prevailin business practices" bit.
00:43	gernika	mircea_popescu actually yes, that looks familiar