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00:02 thestringpuller whenever I fuck up my economy in sim city I just raise taxes and it all works out!
00:10 mircea_popescu !up Belxjander
00:13 kakobrekla !up Belxjander
00:13 kakobrekla lol
00:13 kakobrekla !up Belxjander
00:14 Belxjander Hello...
00:14 Belxjander added this channel to my bouncer
00:14 Belxjander just wish the channel names stayed in the same order as set
00:15 kakobrekla you only need this chan
00:16 kakobrekla then it will be first, last and in order
00:17 Belxjander I'm not that accepting of PR
00:18 kakobrekla yeah have you seen the logs?
00:20 mircea_popescu lol
00:22 mircea_popescu curl -v is verbose, grep -v is inverted match.
00:22 mircea_popescu this makes so much sense.
00:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00046421 = 11.6981 BTC [+] {2}
00:30 mircea_popescu !up Belxjander
00:31 mircea_popescu what exactly is a source mage, and especially an elementalist ?
00:31 mircea_popescu gah brb
00:31 * punkman just fails at CLI option recall
00:32 mircea_popescu !up Belxjander
00:32 mircea_popescu punkman yeah im not that close to it to recall the stuff, half the time im trying to guess, and i mean wtf -v
00:34 mircea_popescu !up ParadoxBTC
00:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.0004593 = 15.8229 BTC [-] {2}
00:40 mircea_popescu so basically systemd should be renamed kudzu
00:42 decimation you mean kudzu the linux package or the invasive plant?
00:42 mircea_popescu the invasive plant
00:42 punkman https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thimbleweedpark/thimbleweed-park-a-new-classic-point-and-click-adv
00:42 assbot Thimbleweed Park: A New Classic Point & Click Adventure! by Ron Gilbert & Gary Winnick — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMelW )
00:43 mircea_popescu o hey
00:43 decimation well, you can clearly see the strategy of 'embrace, extend, extinguish'
00:44 mircea_popescu myeah.
00:44 punkman '"I pirated Maniac Mansion and Monkey Island when I was a kid and I feel bad!" This reward tier instantly absolves you of all guilt and includes the Thimbleweed Park game. All subsequent tiers also include guilt absolution.'
00:44 mircea_popescu lol
00:44 mircea_popescu hey, giving ron gilbert money is a lot more merituous than whatever, giving buterin awards.
00:45 decimation yeah, at least he will make some amusing warez in exchange
00:47 punkman I gave money to Tim Schafer and all I got was half a game
00:47 punkman http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/21/7265561/double-fine-lays-off-staff-as-unannounced-project-falls-through
00:47 assbot Double Fine lays off staff as unannounced project falls through | Polygon ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMmSr )
00:49 mircea_popescu punkman i dun recall that guy.
00:49 punkman also from LucasArts
00:49 mircea_popescu Jon Van Caneghem i'd give some money to
00:50 mircea_popescu i mean pretty much all good games are his. from king's bounty to homm etc.
00:51 mircea_popescu hey jon! get in the wot!
00:52 punkman I never got into the might and magic series
00:52 punkman dunno why
00:54 mircea_popescu one question left hanging in my head : once all the effort trying to push systemd is spent, why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head. specifically, that runs as an instance even if the root doesn't have it, and that masquerades as systemd to satisfy fake dependencies.
00:54 punkman uselessd perhaps
00:55 mircea_popescu yup.
00:55 mircea_popescu basically, gut it, use the remaining shell as a systemd-standardized interface for sane components.
00:55 mircea_popescu no need for all the shit it bundles to be actually bundled.
00:57 punkman there are some people working on it
00:57 punkman http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140915064856
00:57 assbot GSoC 2014: Systemd replacement utilities (systembsd) ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMxxj )
00:57 mircea_popescu http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png << t5his, if anyone's still genuinely wondering, is half the bile against poettering.
00:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMvVZ )
00:58 mircea_popescu he has exactly nothing to do with "tea party", this is beyond hot topicizing the issue.
00:58 mircea_popescu it's roughly like a stolid square from the 60s calling his woody a "party van".
01:00 mircea_popescu " All I can say is that there is stable LTE service between Texas and Colorado that work at speed in excess of eighty-eight miles per hour and that one can do a lot with a macbook charger, a working alternator, a bit of cabling and entry-level electrical engineering knowledge."
01:00 mircea_popescu da fuck
01:01 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-K8R1hDG9E
01:01 assbot Grim Fandango OST - Full Official Soundtrack - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMDVs )
01:10 decimation actually, the bigger question about systemd dependencies is this: what dependency of systemd is actually worth bothering about?
01:11 mircea_popescu decimation http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/ <<
01:11 assbot Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1v69tq1 )
01:12 mircea_popescu more dependencies than needed anyway. creatinbg even more fucking bloat is the wrong way.
01:12 mircea_popescu what they should do would be to remove like 90% of the current dependencies.
01:12 mircea_popescu gvfs depedning on netbase is perhaps the biggest example. who the fuck ever heard of this.
01:13 decimation heh yeah and apparently ntfs from your article
01:15 decimation if you have ever used an 'android' system you encounter a similar thing when using their app 'permission' system. one ends up being a hostage to the app's demands for access
01:15 decimation the only solution is the 'via negativa'
01:16 mircea_popescu it's ridiculous is what it is.
01:17 mircea_popescu the other even more ridiculous thing is, infantile minds going LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU WHY CANT YOU GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER THAT IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO SAY!!1
01:21 punkman another fun exercise, trying to install Linux on 3TB disk
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01:22 mircea_popescu look at the sort of idiotic windows nt topics we're discussing.
01:23 mircea_popescu on linux ffs. and then "So what ideas made "linux" and "unix" "worth using""
01:23 mircea_popescu and then they bitch when people want to do them violence. they should be fucking thankful, a good whipping'd benefit em immensely.
01:27 punkman http://lwn.net/Articles/619784/
01:27 assbot High-DPI displays and Linux [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnNiGG )
01:28 punkman "Your editor's laptop recently started to fall apart, to the point that some sort of action was required. Duct tape was considered as a solution; it would show that LWN is making careful use of its subscription revenues"
01:41 asciilifeform punkman: this is a ludicrous non-problem. where is even one proggy worth using without configurable font.
01:42 asciilifeform punkman: the 'solution' from the linked article (throw away the res, 4 pixels for 1) is even more obscene than the supposed 'problem'
01:42 punkman agreed
01:42 asciilifeform this is easily the most putrid crock of shit i've seen in ages, masquerading as 'linux article'
01:43 asciilifeform author - straight to biodiesel.
01:43 asciilifeform co-miserators - straight to biodiesel.
01:44 * asciilifeform keeps a machine around with precisely that screen part #. and no shitgnomery required.
01:45 asciilifeform and what, precisely, is the issue with 3TB disk ?
01:45 asciilifeform did i just wake up in parallel universe, where fonts aren't vectorized and do not scale, and we're still using 24-bit LBA for disk access ?
01:46 punkman well I didn't keep notes, but I eventually just installed to 1TB disk
01:46 asciilifeform why?!
01:46 punkman mostly wouldn't boot
01:47 asciilifeform dual boot with turdblows?
01:48 punkman no, but I've tried that on different machine, similar problems
01:48 punkman maybe I'm just stupid, dunno
01:57 asciilifeform why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head << no.
01:58 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-11-2014#929521
01:58 assbot Logged on 20-11-2014 04:57:26; asciilifeform: achilles said to tortoise, let me stick the cock in halfway.
01:58 asciilifeform the solution is not taxidermy. do we taxidermy cockroaches? mice ?
01:59 asciilifeform for shitgnomes, only one correct treatment: damnatio memoriae.
01:59 asciilifeform of author -and- his works
02:00 asciilifeform i don't want to smell poettering in my house.
02:01 asciilifeform 'i would not, could not,' in the zoo, i would not, could not, with a gnu, i would not, could not, in a cage, i would not, could not, with a mage...
02:01 asciilifeform etc
02:03 asciilifeform anyone who creates a gizmo which depends on shitstemd - has asked to share the fate.
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02:35 assbot Belxjander +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
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02:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53831 @ 0.00046603 = 25.0869 BTC [+] {2}
03:02 mircea_popescu !up Belxjander
03:05 mircea_popescu so, it'd seem the various issues some people were experiencing were in fact due to upstream filtering due to an unfortunate interaction of various rules. should be fixed now, so,
03:05 mircea_popescu ever more vigurously than befoar, pls to report if connectivity problemz.
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04:40 cazalla ermagawd, missus gone for weekend, this raising a kid on your own shit is tiring, finally in bed and i can sit down
04:48 cazalla Belxjander: added this channel to my bouncer <<< i remember doing this, thinking to myself.. which bitcoin channels represent me as a person.. anyway, this is the only channel you need
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05:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38568 @ 0.00045783 = 17.6576 BTC [-]
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06:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80200 @ 0.00045138 = 36.2007 BTC [-] {3}
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06:36 jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2n261b/buttcoin_is_worth_its_weight_in_gold/ "teh r/buttcoin is the only non-circlejerk" circlejerk :)
06:36 assbot Buttcoin is worth its weight in gold... : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnXqyZ )
06:37 jurov redditards being themselves
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08:17 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/european-parliament-mulls-google-breakup/
08:17 assbot European Parliament Mulls Google Breakup | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/152oM9F )
08:18 nubbins` cazalla she's not coming back
08:21 nubbins` block 201584 and counting
08:34 xanthyos hi
08:37 BingoBoingo Hello
08:37 BingoBoingo Is today the day gauze maybe comes off?
08:41 nubbins` heh
08:41 nubbins` what, they're bandaging broken dicks now?
08:41 nubbins` in my day...
08:41 nubbins` !up kleinessteak
08:42 nubbins` !up cypherc
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09:16 danielpbarron http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/magazine/the-secret-life-of-passwords.html Not long after the planes struck the twin towers, killing 658 of his co-workers and friends, including his brother, one of the first things on Lutnick’s mind was passwords. ... No one knew the passwords for hundreds of accounts and files that were needed to get back online in time for the reopening of the bond markets. Cantor Fitzgerald did hav
09:16 assbot Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcr0OH )
09:19 danielpbarron Cantor Fitzgerald did have extensive contingency plans in place, including a requirement that all employees tell their work passwords to four nearby colleagues. But now a large majority of the firm’s 960 New York employees were dead.
09:22 danielpbarron Jesus Christ caused 9/11, perhaps in part to punish this guy for having an atrocious "contingency plan"
09:24 danielpbarron The attacks also knocked out one of the company’s main backup servers, which were housed, at what until that day seemed like a safe distance away, under 2 World Trade Center.
09:26 danielpbarron Many of the missing passwords would prove to be relatively secure — the “JHx6fT!9” type that the company’s I.T. department implored everyone to choose.
09:26 danielpbarron just keeps getting funnier the more I read on
09:28 danielpbarron The same human sentimentality that made Cantor Fitzgerald’s passwords “weak,” ultimately proved to be its saving grace. << the fiat world -- saved by weak security
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09:48 mats_cd03 4:40:08 <+cazalla> ermagawd, missus gone for weekend, this raising a kid on your own shit is tiring, finally in bed and i can sit down << now you know why she hates you
10:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53794 @ 0.00044699 = 24.0454 BTC [-] {2}
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10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00044689 = 10.9935 BTC [-]
10:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19109 @ 0.0004561 = 8.7156 BTC [+]
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10:45 mats_cd03 http://youtu.be/bMq1PiUbf-M
10:45 assbot 9/11 Building 7 - Martin Noakes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcFSwk )
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11:29 mats_cd03 "Linux full disk encryption does not really work, for that matter." << anyone know what mp is referring to here?
11:31 mats_cd03 i suspect he means keys need to be stored in RAM for decryption
11:35 asciilifeform mats_cd03: this plus the fact of the decryptor routine itself normally stored on disk
11:35 asciilifeform mats_cd03: where it can be overwritten by pwner with a version that saves key
11:42 mats_cd03 a
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12:26 asciilifeform 'the time has come, the walrus said, to talk of many things: of shoes, and ships, and sealing-wax, of cabbages and kings; and why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings...'
12:27 asciilifeform specifically, there is a vandal lurking in #b-a who 'metasploits' uncloaked folks
12:27 asciilifeform about 2 in 3 of extant consumer-grade routers have published remote anal orifices.
12:28 asciilifeform cheers.
12:33 kanzure haha metasploit
12:33 kanzure v. professional
12:33 kanzure such leetness
12:34 asciilifeform not necessarily 'metasploit' but perhaps a similar autodiddler.
12:34 kanzure don't they know it only counts if you come up with a novel zero day? otherwise all the points go to charity.
12:34 asciilifeform lol
12:34 kanzure (and who wants that?)
12:35 kanzure asciilifeform: okay to pm?
12:35 asciilifeform sure, though i'm about to eat
12:38 mats_cd03 msf isn't necessarily an amateur tool, though it is used by amateurs
12:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.1 = 6.7 BTC [-]
12:45 kanzure .title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437926.0
12:45 assbot If I was chairman of the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1xDre0T )
12:59 punkman so deeds server was maybe hacked
12:59 punkman bitcents still at address though
13:01 asciilifeform punkman: what suggested that it was hacked ?
13:01 punkman kakobrekla got a mail that an attack was originating from the deed server
13:04 kakobrekla all i can say (as i dont have or had access to the machine) that there is something that looks like ddos + complaint from outside of do
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13:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00046599 = 14.8651 BTC [+]
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14:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00046319 = 9.2175 BTC [-] {2}
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1284 @ 0.0012111 = 1.5551 BTC [-] {2}
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14:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00046159 = 8.3086 BTC [-]
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15:02 cazalla nubbins`: cazalla she's not coming back <<< if only i were that lucky
15:04 cazalla mats_cd03: 4:40:08 <+cazalla> ermagawd, missus gone for weekend, this raising a kid on your own shit is tiring, finally in bed and i can sit down << now you know why she hates you <<< what else would you have a woman do, designed to produce and raise children afterall
15:06 cazalla gee, shortest log ever or what?
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15:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00047099 = 13.2348 BTC [+]
15:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 240 @ 0.01115126 = 2.6763 BTC [-]
15:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 54 @ 0.07014814 = 3.788 BTC [-] {2}
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16:46 asciilifeform to briefly continue this morning's thread - don't rely on freenode's 'cloaks', if you have a consumer garbage-grade router on your premises, throw it out, replace with actual router.
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17:06 jurov https://slush.eviacloud.com/
17:06 assbot Eviacloud.com - Bury your old hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaeVHs )
17:07 jurov ^ dudes feel pathetic (and don't accept btc)
17:07 asciilifeform 'As the biggest online newspaper in Slovakia we need to effectively handle everyday peaks in traffic on our online discussions regarding "women segment".' << wat
17:09 jurov lol i dunno what hey mean... bitches prolly come to work, make coffee and start browsing
17:09 jurov en masse
17:09 mircea_popescu lmao jurov
17:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you happen to recall that trilema article where i went in depth into the economics of spamming ?
17:12 asciilifeform hmm
17:12 asciilifeform the one with the idiot who posted raw spamgen script ?
17:13 mircea_popescu mebbe ? the onle where the entire cycle of kid sees spam -> kid imagines this works because it exists -> kid tries it for a while, thus perpetuating it -> kid fails to make any money goves up -> new kid
17:13 mircea_popescu i dun wanna rewrite the whole thing ;/
17:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu
17:17 assbot And another one bites the dust : bitmarket.eu pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zag0yY )
17:17 mircea_popescu fuck. thank you!
17:18 mircea_popescu i managed to fucking troll myself with my own trolling title choosing process
17:18 asciilifeform lol
17:20 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/pakistani-scammer-spammer-working-for-sanofi-aventis-pakistan-ltd-aka-indus-pharmacom/
17:20 assbot Pakistani scammer & spammer, working for Sanofi-Aventis Pakistan LTD, aka indus-pharma.com pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zagjKa )
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17:49 mircea_popescu apparently they're molesting britni
17:49 mircea_popescu !up chiral
17:49 mircea_popescu hey there chiral.
17:49 kakobrekla no but i had to take it down cause i hated some css
17:49 mircea_popescu !up cb_bitcoin
17:49 kakobrekla true story
17:50 mircea_popescu lol wut ?!
17:50 mircea_popescu !up Dr-G2
17:50 mircea_popescu !up huseby
17:51 mircea_popescu !up ll
17:51 mircea_popescu !up nhanH
17:51 kakobrekla once you enable private network all the charts in their ui become unreadable colors form some unknown fuckin reason. i wanted old colors back, cant do it without downtime. fuckers.
17:51 mircea_popescu !up PsychoticBoy
17:52 mircea_popescu !up simlay
17:52 mircea_popescu hallo names i'm unfamiliar with! how are you today ?
17:54 mircea_popescu !up psychouroboros
17:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: author - straight to biodiesel. co-miserators - straight to biodiesel. <<< there's lizzard hitler, and then there'
17:58 mircea_popescu s ascii hitler.
17:58 asciilifeform lol
17:58 asciilifeform wot are we supposed to do with folks too stupid to live
17:59 asciilifeform and seeking to infect others.
17:59 mircea_popescu i dun wanna do anything. lazy.
18:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: anyone who creates a gizmo which depends on shitstemd - has asked to share the fate. << the practical problem with this is that bayesian filtering only works for as long as it stays small.
18:01 asciilifeform naturally, tumour must be removed while operable.
18:02 asciilifeform when patient is 50% tumour by weight - which half do you even say 'hello' to ?
18:02 mircea_popescu cazalla: Belxjander: added this channel to my bouncer <<< i remember doing this, thinking to myself.. which bitcoin channels represent me as a person <<< o.O
18:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite lol
18:02 chetty well if its called O I dont speak to it
18:03 mircea_popescu that's a splendid way to put it lol, "which half do you even say hello to"
18:04 asciilifeform identity is a slippery thing when there are brain parasites about.
18:04 mircea_popescu in other news : the eulora tier 0 items recipes etc are finally finished as a bulk. on next update, game will get the ~100 or so maze of resources, armors, hats, what have you.
18:04 asciilifeform (slippery even without them, but manageably so)
18:04 mircea_popescu i made it myself, and i dare say im fucking proud of it like it were a work of art, that list.
18:04 mircea_popescu dali could not have done better!
18:04 chetty I wonder if there was a gentlemans club somewhere that lamented the arrival of the automobile and just knew it would ruin good horses
18:05 mircea_popescu chetty this happened.
18:05 chetty and sadly there are very few good horses now, at least comparably
18:05 asciilifeform 'association of licensed automobile manufacturers' ?
18:06 asciilifeform the one h. ford fought with
18:10 asciilifeform http://www.bpmlegal.com/wselden.html
18:10 asciilifeform (no connection, afaik, to horses, however)
18:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 150 @ 0.01115126 = 1.6727 BTC [-]
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18:33 mircea_popescu !up mandycandy
18:40 jurov no one dares to speak up anymore
18:41 jurov these insufficiently beaten kids
18:41 ben_vulpes all the free voice anyone could want...
18:42 mircea_popescu lol j
18:43 mircea_popescu you may have a point there.
18:44 jurov i'm actually poking fun at your fav education method
18:46 mircea_popescu for shame. it made men out of all my women!
18:47 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> i just treated girly anemia with succinate << what lead you to that treatment?
18:47 mircea_popescu uh
18:47 mircea_popescu ferrous succinate, you realise ?
18:47 ben_vulpes well now i do >.<
18:47 mircea_popescu :p
18:51 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> compare ms-dos, still to this day accepted here as a paragon of programming << news to me
18:51 mircea_popescu really ? let's examine this!
18:51 mircea_popescu 1. how long did it take to boot ?
18:51 mircea_popescu 2. what was the dependency hell like ?
18:52 mircea_popescu 3. what drivers were "out of date" ?
18:52 mircea_popescu how often did it croak spontaneously ?
18:53 ben_vulpes i've no idea!
18:53 * ben_vulpes was raised on macintoshes
18:53 mircea_popescu oh.
18:53 mircea_popescu well k.
18:54 mircea_popescu anyway point being it's the level 0 of suck, ie, a honest, basic suckage.
18:54 ben_vulpes i am interested in the history, though.
18:54 ben_vulpes mm
18:54 mircea_popescu a point not commonly reached these days
18:54 ben_vulpes honest suckage, eh?
18:55 ben_vulpes mebbe a motto for the foundation
18:55 mircea_popescu yes. now there;s all this demonic elaborate suckage from hell.
18:55 ben_vulpes "simple, honest suckage."
18:55 mircea_popescu ayup
18:57 asciilifeform most folks who remember msdos with ill thoughts, i've found, suffered in the latter part of the '90s with 'memory hell'
18:57 asciilifeform but this was really intel's fault.
18:57 ben_vulpes "memory hell"?
18:58 asciilifeform !s 640K
18:58 assbot 0 results for '640K' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=640K
18:58 mircea_popescu the entire memory hole thing. bypass still present in bioses as late as the 2005s
18:58 asciilifeform nah
18:58 asciilifeform that's another thing
18:58 mircea_popescu lol ?
18:59 mircea_popescu mebbe mah memory fails me in my middle age !!
18:59 jurov not very fair comparison...there was Das IBM PC, apps were expected to talk directly to hardware
18:59 mircea_popescu anyway, msdos as an os was not horrible. it wasn't great or w/e, arbitrary standards, but better oses are not actually common today.
18:59 asciilifeform for physical addressing of certain isa cards
18:59 jurov CD-ROM was first device driver i remember
18:59 asciilifeform one could turn on 'memory hole' in some old bios configurators.
19:00 asciilifeform apps were expected to talk directly to hardware << except for disk. hence the 'd' in msdos.
19:00 jurov you even had list of known disk geometries hardwired in bios
19:00 asciilifeform aha
19:01 asciilifeform mostly for the int 13 bios routine that loaded the boot block
19:01 asciilifeform (afaik all classical dos-es used it for disk access likewise, though)
19:03 mircea_popescu anwyay, you could rewrite your io.sys. this was trivial enough to do that brigther highschoolers did it to prank each other.
19:03 asciilifeform but yes, 20 bits of address space, cut into idiot 'segmentation' - thank intel.
19:03 jurov and i'm not sure it's actually intel fault...rather msft was utterly inept to use real mode emulation
19:03 asciilifeform what emulation.
19:03 asciilifeform thing ran in real mode.
19:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00045902 = 22.2166 BTC [-] {2}
19:04 asciilifeform (various games, and winblows 3.x which used 'protected mode extender' excepted - but when you switch on prot. mode, you're no longer using msdos as such)
19:05 jurov twas industry standard practice. years in 2 bytes, memory 20 bits... if you asked for more, got called idiot
19:05 asciilifeform real mode, for folks who grew up on mars, far away from msdos: 64k segments (16 bits of address space). and segment selector.
19:08 asciilifeform http://www.howtogeek.com/188980/pcs-before-windows-what-using-ms-dos-was-actually-like << for martians
19:08 assbot PCs Before Windows: What Using MS-DOS Was Actually Like ... ( http://bit.ly/1raPv8s )
19:08 * asciilifeform ^ did not know that an article like this existed, or was thought by someone to be needed
19:08 mircea_popescu !up saifedean
19:08 jurov we got there by piling chairs upon poor 8088. preserving binary compatibility for all costs worked for people involved
19:08 mircea_popescu this is a good point.
19:09 jurov idiotic for you
19:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6883 @ 0.00047099 = 3.2418 BTC [+]
19:09 mircea_popescu people easily forget that the "two byte year" comes from a time when they also had a 20 byte bus
19:09 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: think of the children!
19:09 asciilifeform the year was pure idiocy.
19:10 mircea_popescu "real mode", in the following sense : just like you have ints and floats, ie, reals, ie, two ints bundled together one playing mantissa
19:10 mircea_popescu JUST SO you could have "real" registers!
19:10 mircea_popescu ie, floats!
19:10 asciilifeform not related
19:10 asciilifeform (floating point was not originally part of intel arch, in case anyone forgot or never owned a 'weitek')
19:11 asciilifeform but when weitek (original brand of 'fpu') appeared, registers therein were already, iirc, 80 bit
19:11 mircea_popescu same thought process imo
19:11 asciilifeform just as now
19:11 jurov mircea_popescu stan is talking about pseudo-8088 memory space done by real mode segments
19:12 * mircea_popescu strains to remember
19:12 asciilifeform afaik the etymology of 'real' in 'real mode' was such: no use made of page tables and other indirections
19:12 asciilifeform therefore 'real'.
19:12 asciilifeform incidentally,
19:12 mircea_popescu wait, is this the thing which ambiguously allocated a part of the pages
19:12 mircea_popescu so you could read a portion in front from two diff places
19:12 asciilifeform all compliant intel clones support another mode, not mentioned in manuals, which became known as 'unreal mode'
19:13 asciilifeform entirely identical to classical 'real' mode but without the 20bit limit.
19:13 asciilifeform http://wiki.osdev.org/Unreal_Mode
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19:13 assbot Unreal Mode - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1xOAa4K )
19:13 asciilifeform you're still stuck with the 'segments' idiocy, though
19:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform is this the real that was address-ambiguous, which is how 286 "protected" mode came about ?
19:14 asciilifeform aha
19:14 asciilifeform though 'protected' also added page table and thereby virtual addressing
19:15 mircea_popescu yes lol
19:15 mircea_popescu kinda when the insanity starts. "o, we'll fix it."
19:15 asciilifeform (where one can have multiple tasks, and each has illusion of owning the machine, swapping from disk on access to physically-nonexisting page, etc. the whole shebang.)
19:16 mircea_popescu jesus they had some incredible "mystery code" back then, cuz you never really knew what's being addressed how.
19:16 asciilifeform actually it was surprisingly readable
19:16 asciilifeform at least, in the period when mostly written by hand
19:17 asciilifeform even today, the (rare) malware written in asm, once you get past the obfuscations, is easier to make sense of than conventional (compiled) turds
19:17 asciilifeform because it had to make sense to author.
19:18 mircea_popescu maybe 15yo me speaking through my voice. but what i recall was "o noes, memory mapping"
19:21 mircea_popescu punkman: so deeds server was maybe hacked <<< eh ?
19:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00045834 = 5.8209 BTC [-]
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19:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00045752 = 11.2092 BTC [-] {2}
19:42 thestringpuller again?
19:43 thestringpuller asciilifeform: found a cool app that teaches basic circuit building. (like gates and shit), i was wondering if you had any references to good exercises, in your vast library :P
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20:04 asciilifeform thestringpuller: for n00bz, 'basic electronics' (forrest m. mims). for adults, 'art of electronics', horowitz & hill.
20:04 asciilifeform thestringpuller: these are my personal favourites from these categories
20:05 asciilifeform thestringpuller: scratch that, it was 'getting started in electronics' (mims)
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20:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00046095 = 18.8068 BTC [+] {2}
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21:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00046666 = 10.2199 BTC [+] {2}
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21:43 mircea_popescu romanian press : "wow, find out how much alina eremia makes working for romanian tv!!!" "alina eremia paid kingly-ly for role in tv!!!11" "find out here..." etc.
21:44 mircea_popescu chick makes 1500 per show, 18k for the whole season, pre tax.
21:54 mircea_popescu !up Vexual
21:54 mircea_popescu nah, euros.
21:54 Vexual be better in bitcoin
21:57 Vexual still decent money, no?
21:58 mircea_popescu if it is i don't see it.
21:59 mircea_popescu pretty sure callgirls make about 10x that.
22:09 Vexual she ends up with a better resume
22:10 mircea_popescu than a callgirl ? i dun see it.
22:12 Vexual I'm no expert, I suppose they're all stuying polotics and stuff
22:21 Vexual is cazalla looking for an au pair? free rabbits
22:28 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McbCwSW2moo
22:28 assbot Rocket Launch Failures Compilation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbBN9L )
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23:02 mats_cd03 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592 << another day, another systemd inflicted bug
23:02 assbot oss-sec: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning ... ( http://bit.ly/11ocaaB )
23:02 asciilifeform ahahahaha
23:03 mats_cd03 huggles
23:03 asciilifeform buggles
23:04 asciilifeform speaking of which
23:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes still working on wedged bitcoind ?
23:04 asciilifeform or somebody ?
23:07 ben_vulpes mhm.
23:07 ben_vulpes ramming it into the iceberg again
23:08 ben_vulpes working on some testing automation to boot
23:08 asciilifeform afaik kakobrekla's db trick has no effect in 0.5.3
23:08 ben_vulpes no effect for me either with a wedged chain
23:08 ben_vulpes recently restarted from zero with the db_config file
23:10 * ben_vulpes is frustrated with the manual testing process
23:11 asciilifeform ever set up local node to pump blockchain from exclusively ?
23:12 asciilifeform !up Vexual
23:13 Vexual I've sent my fair share of malformed tx
23:17 kakobrekla but did you restart it hehe
23:18 Vexual yeah, i send em out from time to time
23:18 asciilifeform much like the early concept of 'space station' was born from the fact of 'a military satellite's expensive, someone gotta change the vacuum tubes when they burn' -
23:18 asciilifeform we're still at this stage.
23:20 kakobrekla i was saying to ascii anywho.
23:21 Vexual yeah all I want to know id who ignores it
23:21 kakobrekla next question is should we even be doing bitcoinwhatever on x86
23:21 asciilifeform kakobrekla: why do you suppose i asked for the book
23:22 Vexual what book?
23:22 asciilifeform Vexual: see jurov's summary: http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea
23:22 assbot A dangerous idea - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/11od32U )
23:23 Vexual oh, the book
23:23 asciilifeform aha.
23:23 kakobrekla 'i once tought about bitcoin but then realized we cant build a computer'
23:23 kakobrekla something like that
23:23 kakobrekla is this how it went?
23:23 asciilifeform actually i started out thinking about something quite else, when realized that we can't build a computer.
23:23 kakobrekla close http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=272
23:23 assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/11odaLT )
23:23 asciilifeform but it applies, yes
23:24 kakobrekla yes it was a reference to that
23:24 asciilifeform not entirely off the mark.
23:24 kakobrekla you think i can come up with such stuff myself?
23:24 mats_cd03 what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick?
23:24 kakobrekla wrong
23:25 mats_cd03 earliest log reference is to mp. no context.
23:25 asciilifeform take your pick of a sufficiently 'heavy' problem (not necessarily deeply-mathematical, however) and, carry it on long enough, will realize - that we don't really 'have computers.'
23:26 asciilifeform mats_cd03: there is a film convention, found usually in 'superhero' yarns, where a gang of derps each of whom amounts to exactly nothing, 'combine their powers' and form an invincible killing machine of one kind or another
23:27 asciilifeform by same convention, they will only do so at the last minute, when about to be crushed one by one by the forces of evil (tm)
23:27 asciilifeform this may be the source of the reference in question. iirc, 'power rangers' was one such film.
23:28 mats_cd03 i see
23:31 Vexual lol wheres batman when you need him
23:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582399
23:32 assbot Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat.
23:32 Vexual yeah or he just goes and takes tuxs safe
23:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: chick makes 1500 per show, 18k for the whole season, pre tax << what does 18k usd buy in ro ?
23:34 asciilifeform in usa, it buys a very small car.
23:34 Vexual rents > 100 ?
23:35 Vexual remember, this lady prolly get free handbags and parties
23:37 asciilifeform kakobrekla: should we even be doing bitcoinwhatever on x86 << what do you think.
23:38 Vexual yes
23:38 asciilifeform back to that thread: can't speak for others, but i don't intend to use the trimmed 0.5.3 in anger.
23:38 asciilifeform beyond verifying that it indeed functions.
23:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 3634 @ 0.00435265 = 15.8175 BTC [-] {13}
23:43 kakobrekla and if it doesnt, whats the plan?
23:44 asciilifeform well it doesn't, at present
23:44 asciilifeform plan was, someone wanted to fix it...
23:44 kakobrekla no that wasnt the question
23:45 asciilifeform lol, question was re: stealth hardfork ?
23:45 kakobrekla yea i guess
23:45 asciilifeform somebody here, iirc, suggested exactly this.
23:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in bucharest probably a one room studio and buttermilk.
23:48 mircea_popescu NOT within the first three arondisments, either.
23:49 asciilifeform even so
23:49 mircea_popescu but this "in romania" discussion is entirely besides the point, not like she can't just as well do it in switzerland or luxemburg or w/e.
23:50 mircea_popescu <Vexual> I'm no expert, I suppose they're all stuying polotics and stuff << they totally are. about 3/4 of my class in college was actual hos.
23:50 mircea_popescu !up Vexual
23:50 * asciilifeform not familiar with the figure in question, cannot comment
23:50 Vexual 3 force expert
23:52 mircea_popescu dude that bitcoin-assets bash is like the best site on the interne.t
23:52 kakobrekla idk in a sense putting 0.5.3 together is worse than x10. not only it might tell you there is bad air, you cant open the window anyway.
23:53 mircea_popescu "careful with that axe eugene" ?
23:53 kakobrekla mircea_popescu right after maddox ?
23:53 asciilifeform quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to.
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23:53 mircea_popescu lol wait, im caught in my own web of confusing references. say wut ?
23:53 asciilifeform tickles the megalomaniacal muscle in any man
23:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform let the idjits hardfork from it.
23:54 kakobrekla flee to where?
23:54 asciilifeform no, in this hypothetical, as i understand, we discover an irreparable boojum with chain as it exists.
23:54 mircea_popescu "The attacker would need to guess the source port of the origin since he only
23:54 mircea_popescu sees the query from victims upstream DNS, but since systemd-resolved also uses fix
23:54 mircea_popescu source ports, thats easy."
23:54 kakobrekla yes
23:54 mircea_popescu holy shit is there something that's done right in systemd?
23:54 mircea_popescu i mean, pid 1, whatever. but...
23:54 mircea_popescu how many magic constants can a person eat ?
23:55 mircea_popescu s/eat/shit/
23:55 Vexual 1800 jerry seinfeld
23:55 Vexual did you see that snl bit?
23:55 mircea_popescu later in that thread, "(This systemd component is optional, I strongly recommend not to ship it. It's not even possible right now to dump the cache contents to debug such issues.)"
23:56 kakobrekla are you going to ignore everything after 252450
23:56 mircea_popescu srsly, can't even dump ?
23:56 mircea_popescu why not just put it in journal binary files with the core dumps!!1
23:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00047018 = 17.8668 BTC [+]
23:58 mircea_popescu in five years people will be asking me why they can't load qntra and instead of pointing to braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress version 1-4, i'll point at braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress versions 1-28, AND at systemd "hey, you can talk directly to the dns resolver, because it's on a fixed port, and the legit server can't even race you because it is standards compliant and waits while you rape the stack.
23:59 mircea_popescu such bright future with the bright kids the fucktarded "progressive" generation spawned. they've tried and therefore nobody should criticize them! touch the screen now! Change the world! revolutionize the tubes! 2.0!
23:59 kakobrekla its 3.0 now.
23:59 Vexual im running 4
23:59 asciilifeform there shall be no 4. on account of biodiesel.
23:59 Vexual audi is making it from air
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