00:00 |
decimation |
these usg regulatory letters are hilarious |
00:00 |
decimation |
"we find that we are in charge" |
00:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
00:02 |
* |
mircea_popescu is nonplussed with the retards squirming around the edges of bitcoin failing to point out that "hey sec, mp's cock isn't going to suck itself, get busy" |
00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
buncha retarded kids. |
00:02 |
decimation |
I was reading the fincen letter to bitpay |
00:02 |
decimation |
as if fincen is ever going to say "sure you can do whatever you want without asking us again" |
00:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://graywolfseo.com/google/google-steal-traffic/ |
00:13 |
assbot |
How Google Plans to Steal More of Your Traffic |
00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
this is to me an interesting thing, because it's an exact reprise of the craftsman vs entrepreneur arguments that raged in the early modern period, resulting in the ip laws in the first place. |
00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
you see, back cca 1800, a guy who figured out how to fix a loom would do anything BUT explain it to anyone |
00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
because that knowledge meant a livelihood, whereas education meant competition. |
00:15 |
mircea_popescu |
today, people go "do not put xml schemas on your recipes, because that's only going to help large data crunchers profit - not you" |
00:15 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly the same thing. |
00:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14870 @ 0.00079506 = 11.8225 BTC [+] |
00:18 |
bounce |
that makes patent warchests more than a little ironic |
00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
how you mean ? |
00:20 |
bounce |
they're the tool of big corporates and patent trolls, exactly the opposite of protecting the small craftsman |
00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ah. myeah. the problem with "fixes" is that they always degenerate. |
00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
that's why problems should be approached radically or not at all. |
00:21 |
bounce |
like radicals don't degenerate |
00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
they can't. |
00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
what i mean here : anything which is ulterior ontologically to the problem is a fix. anything that is anterior ontologically to the problem and is incompatible with the problem's existence is a radical aproach. |
00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
so, if a river bothers you, building a dam is a fix. making water a physical impossibility is a (very) radical approach. |
00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
the fix degenerates (water can say break the dam and flood you, which is worse an outcome). the radical approach can't degenerate, because it has not where to. |
00:24 |
decimation |
for instance, beheading the king and declaring The People sovereign |
00:25 |
bounce |
look at any state that rose out of "revolution" only never shed it |
00:25 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation that's a fix. it fails to make kings impossible, so it degenerates, to a shittier kingdom |
00:25 |
mircea_popescu |
(necessarily shittier because well, it won't say its name) |
00:26 |
decimation |
good point. I guess the radical approach would be to murder all humans |
00:26 |
mircea_popescu |
lobotomy comes to mind. |
00:26 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, this observation is not particularly useful in politics, but it is useful in technology. |
00:28 |
decimation |
yeah it's impossible to unhuman humanity, but it's quite possible to unintel computers |
00:28 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: I've said before in regards to software architecture that inherent is better than explicit (in response to the python thing). Yours is much better said. |
00:28 |
undata |
the python thing being implicit vs explicit |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
and incidentally! |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.tar.gz |
00:29 |
decimation |
ya |
00:30 |
decimation |
I was just patching my junk |
00:30 |
* |
asciilifeform cleans blaster |
00:30 |
decimation |
does that include all of your previous patches? |
00:30 |
asciilifeform |
aye |
00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
undata yeah it's an old idea fo sho. |
00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
hey it's a little warty but here's what's cookin: http://therealbitcoin.org/ |
00:30 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: starting to use bsd after linux for decades makes me feel like I'm in a funhouse |
00:30 |
asciilifeform |
gentlemen, please check patches |
00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes who ever said the best cooks aren't men! |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
rather than simply assuming that i don't smoke crack |
00:31 |
ben_vulpes |
gentlemen, please check patches i've published as well |
00:31 |
* |
asciilifeform did |
00:31 |
ben_vulpes |
it's late and i'm banging my head against the opaque mess that is the amazon key-value store. |
00:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00079255 = 2.9324 BTC [-] |
00:31 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: the patches just now published, specifically. |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: let's mirror 0.5.3 there |
00:31 |
ben_vulpes |
a grand idea |
00:32 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: these differ from last night's ? |
00:32 |
asciilifeform |
i only see 'chicken' and 'rm_rf... |
00:32 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: couldn't hurt to check... |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: might want to do a live-fire test on latest turd |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
'loc' steadily going down |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
if only this could continue! |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
'suppose every program can be shortened by a line, and contains a bug. therefore all programs can be reduced to one line - which does not work.' - ??? |
| |
↖ |
00:35 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: sapper must know his limits. |
00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
uh |
00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
well |
00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
i did the s3 thing |
00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
and...see nothing. |
00:36 |
asciilifeform |
s3? |
00:37 |
ben_vulpes |
shit is cached somewhere infuriating. |
00:37 |
ben_vulpes |
the amazon key-value store jurov backed therealbitcoin.org with |
00:37 |
ben_vulpes |
http semantics for up/downloading |
00:37 |
ben_vulpes |
black magic cross-dc replication |
00:38 |
* |
ben_vulpes gives up |
00:38 |
ben_vulpes |
all i want is to surface these text files to the internet :( |
00:39 |
ben_vulpes |
and all i have is borrowed borrowed borrowed leased and micro-sharded hardware on which to put it |
00:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30190 @ 0.00079531 = 24.0104 BTC [+] {2} |
00:40 |
* |
asciilifeform hosts on dead bear, uploads with flint modem |
00:42 |
* |
asciilifeform would like to snip macos next |
00:42 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders who, if anyone, would shed a tear for macos |
00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
i've never successfully built it. |
00:43 |
decimation |
me neither |
00:43 |
decimation |
you end up in dependency hell very quickly |
00:43 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: then perhaps you should do the honour of shooting it in the head |
00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
build environment is a snowflake. |
00:43 |
decimation |
what is even macos specific? |
00:43 |
decimation |
should be pretty similar to bsd, assuming user supplies paths to all dependencies |
00:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: grep |
00:44 |
decimation |
heh |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
i've been saving the death of macos for last, such that we can determine that its removal does not bork *bsd |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
and interrupt this roll you're on? |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
i shant, no. |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
i might like to, say, do a little bit of actual work tomorrow. |
00:45 |
ben_vulpes |
plus, wrangling multiparty gpg sigs. |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
let others claim some easy hunting. |
00:46 |
asciilifeform |
this is going to turn into actual work quite soon (when we start snipping tissue that must be replaced, rather than merely cremated) |
00:46 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., json rpc |
| |
↖ |
00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
wallet |
00:46 |
* |
asciilifeform Just Wanted A Fucking Book |
00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: would it be terribly onerous to get deedbot to certify that multiple documents signed by different people are in fact the same document and that all of the signatures verify? |
00:47 |
asciilifeform |
^ important |
00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
mod6 and i have burnt approximately an hour total trying to pretzel gpg into the correct contortions, and it's not working for us. |
00:48 |
ben_vulpes |
er, an hour each. |
00:48 |
decimation |
I"m running into some kind of build error on openbsd |
00:48 |
decimation |
INADDR_NONE AF_INET stuff |
00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
implementing the mailing list hack you suggested throws a digest error. |
00:50 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, looks like bitcoind only supports little-endian cpu. |
00:50 |
decimation |
based on magic numbers? |
00:51 |
asciilifeform |
based on i-can't-be-bothered-quite-now-what |
00:51 |
* |
asciilifeform to bed |
00:51 |
* |
ben_vulpes as well |
00:51 |
* |
decimation too |
00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
arbeit machtzzzzzzz |
01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
lies |
01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
so here's what mod6 and i figured out |
01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
if each party runs gpg --output out.sig --sign --armor thing-to-sign.txt, you can run gpg --decrypt out.sig on the blob |
01:04 |
mod6 |
(PGP MESSAGE) |
01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
(you being punkbot or anyone verifying contracts) |
01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
that will *both* check the signature *and* show you the signed blob. |
01:04 |
mod6 |
each party will want to name ``out.sig'' something different obv. |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
the cleartext of multiple versions of the same contract can be compared to each other |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
perhaps this is academic though |
01:05 |
mod6 |
so in this case, ben.sig & mod6.sig, each yields a PGP armored message, that's just a signed file that can be verified. |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
and the parties should all deedify independently. |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
lol now that i spell it out parties should deedify seperately. |
01:17 |
ben_vulpes |
.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VsTnvwB8 |
01:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23282 @ 0.00079502 = 18.5097 BTC [-] |
01:34 |
undata |
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/10/28/bitbeat-bitcoin-2-0-companies-respond-to-sec-rumor-were-clean/ "He added that anyone who purchased newly issued XCP with bitcoin did so through a “proof of burn” method that renders the incoming bitcoin unusable, ensuring that no material benefit passes to Counterparty or its owners." << Regarding the recent conversation with TheNewDeal on BTC burn -> |
01:34 |
assbot |
BitBeat: Bitcoin 2.0 Companies Respond to SEC Rumor: We’re Clean - MoneyBeat - WSJ |
01:34 |
undata |
altcoin, this reveals the real reason: avoiding the fucking government, not economics. |
01:35 |
undata |
that was apparently too long a line, meant to be one. |
01:36 |
undata |
Here's your proof of burn: http://pigroll.com/img/i_am_serious_now.jpg |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
01:56 |
thestringpuller |
!up dignork |
02:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15539 @ 0.0007966 = 12.3784 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 50 minutes ~ |
02:51 |
thestringpuller |
!last h am1 |
02:51 |
assbot |
Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.1242 BTC [-] |
02:51 |
thestringpuller |
!last h hmf |
02:51 |
assbot |
Last trade for HMF on HAVELOCK was at 0.00200157 BTC [-] |
02:52 |
thestringpuller |
!t h HMF |
02:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK:HMF] 1D: 0.00200700 / 0.00203369 / 0.00248999 (51 shares, 0.10371821 BTC), 7D: 0.00200602 / 0.00208495 / 0.00255630 (63 shares, 0.13135161 BTC), 30D: 0.00200001 / 0.00248113 / 0.00299768 (596 shares, 1.47875423 BTC) |
03:03 |
thestringpuller |
!up tryphe |
03:03 |
thestringpuller |
!up dvsdude |
03:04 |
dvsdude |
thanks |
03:07 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> punkman: would it be terribly onerous to get deedbot to certify that multiple documents signed by different people are in fact the same document and that all of the signatures verify? <<< this is not conceptually possible tho. |
03:07 |
mircea_popescu |
onus remains on reader. |
03:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00079502 = 1.5105 BTC [-] |
03:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00079348 = 21.1066 BTC [-] {4} |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
04:00 |
punkman |
was looking at Conformal's stuff, foun this https://www.cyphertite.com/plans.php |
04:00 |
assbot |
Cyphertite | Flexible Data Plans |
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~ 25 minutes ~ |
04:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00079693 = 4.5823 BTC [+] |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
04:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16247 @ 0.00079327 = 12.8883 BTC [-] {2} |
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~ 35 minutes ~ |
05:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00079195 = 16.8685 BTC [-] {2} |
05:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00079567 = 10.6222 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
05:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20121 @ 0.00079581 = 16.0125 BTC [+] |
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~ 2 hours 3 minutes ~ |
07:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4181 @ 0.0007941 = 3.3201 BTC [-] |
07:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26456 @ 0.00079336 = 20.9891 BTC [-] {2} |
08:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18841 @ 0.00079595 = 14.9965 BTC [+] {2} |
08:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00079633 = 5.415 BTC [+] |
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~ 22 minutes ~ |
08:28 |
thickasthieves |
https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/527436809312419840 |
08:28 |
assbot |
What is the common thread connecting bitcoin WoT fixation, MRAs, PUAs and trolling? It’s quite peculiar how those cluster. |
08:29 |
thickasthieves |
still buried in logs, hope everyone is doing well! |
08:30 |
thickasthieves |
lol my irc client isnt even caching how far back i am now that i scrolled down |
08:32 |
thickasthieves |
fwiw, i'm sensing a major disturbance in the force, re SEC letters, coinfire DMCA takedowm, COindesk waiving their hands saying 'these are not the sec letters yer lookin for' |
08:32 |
thickasthieves |
wtf is this bullshit with, we sending you a letter, but now that youve read it you dont have freedom of speech? |
08:32 |
thickasthieves |
etc |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
08:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00079057 = 23.4009 BTC [-] {2} |
08:50 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
thickasthieves still buried - yea, I missed few days and dont think I'm ever gonna get through it -esp with any given link prompting hours+ sidetrack journey.. might have to declare lawg bk |
08:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
;;google logruptsy |
08:53 |
gribble |
No matches found. |
08:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
logruptcy* |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
09:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00079444 = 5.6405 BTC [+] |
09:18 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Pseudonymous%20secure%20computation%20from%20time-lock%20puzzles.pdf [Pseudonymous Secure Computation from Time-Lock Puzzles] |
09:19 |
assbot |
404 Not Found |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
09:37 |
mod6 |
was mp the only one to sign s.qntr? |
09:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00078955 = 10.8563 BTC [-] |
09:40 |
mod6 |
html links point to wrong/non-existant files. |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
10:00 |
jurov |
mod6 you mean the Signed links? |
10:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00079214 = 9.268 BTC [+] |
10:03 |
thickasthieves |
!s http://onerng.info/ |
10:03 |
assbot |
OneRNG - Hardware Random Number Generator |
10:03 |
assbot |
2 results for 'http://onerng.info/' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fonerng.info%2F |
10:09 |
mod6 |
<+jurov> mod6 you mean the Signed links? << yeah |
10:18 |
mod6 |
looks like the keyid's are correct, just not linked to the correct file |
10:19 |
mod6 |
was just checking these things too see what was done recently. for instance, with s.bbet the IPO was clear signed by one party, and then that clearsigned doc was then clearsigned again by a second party. |
10:20 |
mod6 |
s/too/to/ |
10:21 |
nubbins` |
my s.mg ssw was signed in this fashion as well |
10:21 |
nubbins` |
as are my casascius custody chains, although that's more my decision than anyone else's 8) |
10:21 |
mod6 |
i only see one sig for s.mg, which makes sense. |
10:21 |
nubbins` |
nod |
10:21 |
mod6 |
ok :] |
10:22 |
nubbins` |
http://trilema.com/2013/15th-blown-other-statements/#comment-93968 |
10:22 |
assbot |
15th blown, other statements. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
10:22 |
* |
mod6 looks |
10:23 |
mod6 |
ah yeah. thx |
10:26 |
nubbins` |
hm, still no punkbot? |
10:27 |
mod6 |
looks that way |
10:27 |
nubbins` |
wanna test a deed ;/ |
10:28 |
mod6 |
ya, ben_vulpes & I need to try to figure it out too |
10:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00078955 = 19.8967 BTC [-] |
10:37 |
nubbins` |
didja see the links i posted yest? |
10:37 |
nubbins` |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#900966 |
10:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-10-2014 01:16:56; nubbins`: also if anyone is curious, the following links may be of some use as a quick and dirty deed verification system: |
10:38 |
nubbins` |
not set up for multi-deed bundles yet, but should be a trivial change |
10:40 |
mod6 |
thx, will review |
10:41 |
bounce |
dirty deeds, done dirt cheap |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
^ realized aftwd |
10:43 |
nubbins` |
need your dirty deeds verified? roll into #b-a |
10:43 |
nubbins` |
say, i'm thinking about doing another run of posters, this time pgp-themed. any interest? |
10:45 |
mod6 |
<+bounce> dirty deeds, done dirt cheap << +1 |
10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla BingoBoingo https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net <<< and it's under 300k :D |
10:50 |
assbot |
Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast |
10:51 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/nathan-cirillo-inspired-racism-experiment-ends-with-punch-to-face-1.2816837 |
10:51 |
assbot |
Nathan Cirillo-inspired racism 'experiment' ends with punch to face - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton |
10:51 |
nubbins` |
good guy canadians |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"mom, look at me, i r filmmaker!!!!" ? |
10:55 |
asciilifeform |
thickasthieves: rng << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#900085 |
10:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-10-2014 12:47:11; asciilifeform: undata: onerng.info << best lulz! this calls for a mini-review. |
10:55 |
asciilifeform |
thickasthieves: and i vaguely recall that mircea_popescu was thinking of writing to them. no idea what came of that |
10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i did, they answered (both guys), seemed reasonable enough, gave them a link to here. |
10:56 |
mod6 |
lol, the ole right hook to the nose |
10:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: reasonable << now i'm curious. 'aha we'll seppuku now!' ...or 'aha we'll crib yours we promise!' or...? |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
!up johntraveller |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ima paste it a sec. |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/VGF7u0DN |
11:07 |
assbot |
On Tue, October 28, 2014 6:00 pm, Paul Campbell wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10 - Pastebin.com |
11:08 |
thickasthieves |
coinfire.cf went back online via bitcoinvps, now they are ddos'd |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
aww |
11:09 |
johntraveller |
@mircea_popescu thanks, I just came across your blog via your comment on xenosystems |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
hello there. |
11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
so how do you like it ? |
11:11 |
johntraveller |
@micrea_popescu hello. yes, lots of good stuff. good to have my opinions of ethereum/altcoins/etc seconded |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, is this "traveller" thing some sort of reference, because i keep seeying it. |
11:11 |
johntraveller |
have you been following moldbug/nrx for long? |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i have in fact not followed either for any interval at all. these other guys do, maybe decimation is the local authority on yarvin. asciilifeform used to have a battleship or w/e it was called in his leaky snowglobe. |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
as far as i'm concerned i sent him a challenge when he was being dumb. http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ |
11:12 |
assbot |
Stage n: Bitcoin exists. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
never heard from him again as it were. |
11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
and im not even sure what nrx is. this chick that follows these things pointed it out here, but i don't think it's been followed up. |
11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
!s nrx |
11:13 |
assbot |
4 results for 'nrx' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nrx |
11:13 |
johntraveller |
imo moldbug’s most interesting writing is on the history of progressivism, and how it evolved from puritanism |
11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a handy tool : |
11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!s moldbug |
11:14 |
assbot |
71 results for 'moldbug' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=moldbug |
11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!s curtis |
11:14 |
assbot |
19 results for 'curtis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=curtis |
11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!s yarvin |
11:14 |
assbot |
57 results for 'yarvin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=yarvin |
11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
saves me from having to repeat myself :) |
11:16 |
asciilifeform |
'we're making entropy - not a full random number generator, something to feed it' << ???!?? |
11:16 |
TomServo |
;;later tell nubbins` any interest? << I'm interested. Will it be another sight unseen deal? |
11:16 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you familiar with the theory of constant improvement ? |
11:17 |
asciilifeform |
hm? |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ok, something like this : two brothers, same age, both wish to get married. this takes money. brother #1 goes into an apprenticeship, money's not good, but it slowly adds up, one year later he's saved enough. |
11:18 |
diametric |
http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/10/28/4 |
11:18 |
assbot |
oss-security - ftp(1) can be made execute arbitrary commands by malicious webserver |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
borther #2 doesn't think anything of this working for no good money bs, takes a loan, goes on a trading trip, a year later he's back, pays off his loan, has enough leftover to marry. |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
both strategies work, in practice. either proceed correctly or proceed gradually. |
11:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18544 @ 0.00078955 = 14.6414 BTC [-] |
11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
diametric different i take it from any of the other 50 or so similar issues over the years ? |
11:19 |
asciilifeform |
new. |
11:19 |
asciilifeform |
well, newly unearthed |
11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
open fucking source. a billion eyes, yo. then next you know, everything is a piece of shit. |
11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"o, but we're fixing it". |
11:20 |
asciilifeform |
point of shit, piece of sale |
11:21 |
diametric |
mircea_popescu: its comically bad. basically they reused the popen feature when using -o with a pipe, when omitting the -o option and instead deriving it from the url.. |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, yeah. how's this different from the politicians ? they're also "fixing it" |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
nevermind that they broke it in the first place. |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
diametric the original, gentlemanly internet is a fucking curse to the current internet. |
11:21 |
asciilifeform |
rng << it is so easy to build a proper rng, the astonishing part is that there are not 500 people selling them for fifty cents. |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
it created so many bad habits... |
11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform people gotta learn how. |
11:22 |
diametric |
http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/ftp/fetch.c#rev1.96 i guess nobody fucking reads. |
11:22 |
assbot |
CVS log for src/usr.bin/ftp/fetch.c |
11:22 |
diametric |
fixed 5 years ago in openbsd. |
11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
diametric nobody fucking reads. |
11:23 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: they can crack open a copy of, e.g, 'horowitz and hill' (1980) - it doesn't bite |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform how are they to know ? |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
understand, us college is unlikely to mention that, too busy talking about irigaray and the rest of the worthless fuckwits |
11:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i even studied in usa, and it was mentioned, wtf |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
check your privilege. |
11:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: irigaray of e=mc^2-is-racist fame? |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"because it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us" |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
also famous for being the only idiot ~lacan~ threw out for being an idiot. |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
lacan, you understand me ? the original "i cnat raed here's some words because words" |
11:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: lol! |
11:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i didn't think the irigarists were designing electronics. or... are they |
11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
stupidity is pervasive. |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea that if you allow i dunno, the gardening club to be stupid the stupidity will sit there contained is beyond naive. |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
within a decade you get mathgardening clamoring for grants. |
11:27 |
undata |
"They also take issue with the assertion that fluid mechanics is unfairly neglected because it deals with "feminine" fluids in contrast to "masculine" rigid mechanics." << there are such feminists here in Portland |
11:28 |
asciilifeform |
mechanics of feminine fluids? |
11:28 |
undata |
...WHO says men don't produce fluids? |
11:29 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, http://trilema.com/2011/moment-de-intimitate-n-baie/ |
11:29 |
assbot |
Moment de intimitate-n baie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
11:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the whys and wherefores taking a leak on your girl is nice. |
11:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25563 @ 0.00078994 = 20.1932 BTC [+] {4} |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman so what's happened to the bot ? dead ? |
11:32 |
asciilifeform |
'any periodic noise that makes it through simply reduces the bits/byte number of the entropy and gets smeared out by subsequent whitening' << is he serious? gotta be trolling |
11:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18701 @ 0.00078815 = 14.7392 BTC [-] {4} |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform remember the people who think whitening does something ? |
11:34 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: will be up shortly |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
!up johntraveller |
11:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'he turned off the light, so the room will be empty' |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
11:35 |
punkman |
added transaction broadcast retrying, and also bot will stop bundling if previous bundle tx remains unconfirmed |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you mean stop bundling ? |
11:36 |
punkman |
it won't make a new bundle, will leave deeds pending |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
is this useful ? |
11:36 |
punkman |
well gotta confirm previous tx to spent again |
11:36 |
punkman |
because only one tx in address |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah but i mean, better to queue the made txn than this i think |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
consider the following situation : bundle 1 gets made, added, gets 1 confirm. bundle 2 gets created, gets added just as the blockchain reogrs. |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
now 1 is unconfirmend again, 2 is ocnfirmed however. |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!up johntraveller_ |
11:38 |
punkman |
it has a queue, can just set max_unconfirmed |
11:38 |
mircea_popescu |
k so then it can just proceed with the bundles normally, irrespective of what happened to previous bundle. |
11:39 |
punkman |
also, now there is http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/json and http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/raw |
11:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17101 @ 0.00079421 = 13.5818 BTC [+] {2} |
11:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ah splendid |
11:43 |
johntraveller |
mircea_popescu: thanks, though I’m planning on lurking for a while until I’ve read more |
11:44 |
punkman |
and http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/149LB8VY/json |
11:44 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
11:44 |
asciilifeform |
anybody else build my no. 4 patch ? |
11:45 |
mircea_popescu |
johntraveller http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets << also a good thing to read, as a primer on the technology that is the fundament of our superiority. |
11:45 |
assbot |
first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] |
11:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6635 @ 0.00079444 = 5.2711 BTC [+] |
11:45 |
punkman |
if anyone has a clue about bc.info tags, let me know why it hasn't verified https://blockchain.info/tags?filter=16 |
11:45 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Address Tags - Blockchain.info |
11:46 |
johntraveller |
and sit in my $200/mo apartment in china, slowly converting my british fiat into btc and planning business ideas that work once the fed’s printing presses stop spinnng |
11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman is the address on the linked page ? |
11:46 |
punkman |
yeah |
11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe they've not got to it yet. |
11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
johntraveller in that case you'd better get in the wot asap. |
11:49 |
thickasthieves |
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1132-open-letter-to-bitcoin-businesses-why-im-closing-my-accounts/ |
11:49 |
assbot |
Open Letter to Bitcoin Businesses: Why I'm closing my accounts - General - Bitcoin Foundation |
11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves was here yest :D |
11:52 |
thickasthieves |
sry i'm way behind |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://52weeksofux.com/ << |
11:56 |
assbot |
52 Weeks of UX |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
of ux you see. |
11:56 |
asciilifeform |
52 week so fux |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
one year in Fux |
11:57 |
bounce |
none were given |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
"Lets take a moment and chat. No secrets or techniques this time, I just want to take a post and discuss my own personal strategies for consistently dominating almost every niche I enter. Instead of creating an objective and methodologies Im just going to casually write and talk some details, because of course my strategies require quite a bit of work and arent for everyone." |
11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
of course. |
11:58 |
los_pantalones |
hahahahha |
11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
security ? "of course". not for everyone ? "of course". for everyone ? "of course!" |
11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
poor of course. |
12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/52ce5e8ead58f62482a9ae7f96f9c7c5/tumblr_n8k4d0zXxN1s7xduro1_500.jpg << if only that were a nailgun, she could be a banker callgirl. |
12:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00078741 = 36.4571 BTC [-] {3} |
12:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00078626 = 20.3641 BTC [-] {2} |
12:20 |
kakobrekla |
;;ticker |
12:20 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 340.48, Best ask: 340.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 340.63, 24 hour volume: 11877.38045173, 24 hour low: 337.74, 24 hour high: 359.5, 24 hour vwap: 348.749963197 |
12:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.0007858 = 16.8947 BTC [-] {2} |
12:22 |
jurov |
http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea << my braindump about turdatron |
12:22 |
assbot |
Some dangerous idea - serialized delusions |
12:23 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: ^ |
12:25 |
jurov |
upon seeing the result.. well, i quite stepped into something |
12:26 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: neato! |
12:31 |
mod6 |
nice jurov :) |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!up elementofone |
12:36 |
elementofone |
whats up |
12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
not much. who are you ? |
12:37 |
thestringpuller |
;;seen cazalla |
12:37 |
gribble |
cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 hours, 31 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <cazalla> http://qntra.net/2014/10/mit-bitcoin-project-goes-live/ less than a week to claim the coins, i wonder if what remains will be pocketed by someone |
12:37 |
thestringpuller |
;;seen BingoBoingo |
12:37 |
gribble |
BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 36 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> Yeah |
12:37 |
thestringpuller |
damn the editors are asleep |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller didja need somethin' ? |
12:38 |
elementofone |
;; elementofone |
12:38 |
gribble |
Error: "elementofone" is not a valid command. |
12:38 |
elementofone |
;;seen elementofone |
12:38 |
gribble |
elementofone was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 seconds ago: <elementofone> ;; elementofone |
12:38 |
asciilifeform |
meowmix. |
12:38 |
elementofone |
;;seen meowmix |
12:38 |
gribble |
meowmix was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 58 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <meowmix> !b 50 |
12:39 |
elementofone |
how many bitcoins is $400,000 worth? |
12:39 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: had an article I wrote last night. BingoBoingo said he'd be in "the office" in the morning. I guess I can just send to their inbox. |
12:40 |
elementofone |
how many bitcoins is $400,000 worth? |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly safe to email then followup |
12:40 |
elementofone |
HOW MANY BITCOINS IS $400000 WORTH? |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the ip or what ? |
12:41 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the smell. |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
lol k |
12:42 |
undata |
elementofone: loud idiot from mass; who'd have expected that... |
12:43 |
kakobrekla |
o fuk |
12:43 |
kakobrekla |
i just had the best meat plate i had in years! |
12:43 |
* |
kakobrekla in tears |
12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
girlfriend ? |
12:43 |
kakobrekla |
wha? |
12:44 |
elementofone |
who is meowmix? |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
what meat was it ? |
12:44 |
kakobrekla |
ah all sorts |
12:46 |
elementofone |
!s meowmix |
12:46 |
assbot |
16 results for 'meowmix' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=meowmix |
12:47 |
elementofone |
!s !down |
12:47 |
assbot |
4548 results for '!down' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%21down |
12:47 |
elementofone |
!s !up |
12:47 |
assbot |
18611 results for '!up' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%21up |
12:47 |
elementofone |
!s christmas |
12:47 |
assbot |
98 results for 'christmas' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=christmas |
12:47 |
elementofone |
!s merry christmas |
12:47 |
assbot |
1 results for 'merry christmas' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=merry+christmas |
12:47 |
TomServo |
!down elementofone |
12:48 |
thestringpuller |
TomServo beat me to it |
12:48 |
elementofone |
nooo waaa |
12:48 |
asciilifeform |
!down elementofone |
12:48 |
TomServo |
Tried do.. but I bliped it seems. |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
18k ups, that's something. |
12:54 |
kakobrekla |
its less. |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
oh ? |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 24 * 365 |
12:54 |
gribble |
8760 |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
like a year's worth! |
12:55 |
kakobrekla |
it seems it disregards '!' when searching |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
o i c |
12:57 |
jurov |
http://cyber.bgu.ac.il/content/how-leak-sensitive-data-isolated-computer-air-gap-near-mobile-phone-airhopper |
12:57 |
assbot |
How to leak sensitive data from an isolated computer (air-gap) to a near by mobile phone - AirHopper | Cyber Security Labs @ Ben Gurion University |
12:58 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: ...conceptually possible << do clearsigned copies of the contract from both parties per S.WOL suffice? |
12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
yup |
12:58 |
ben_vulpes |
this not being able to sign the same actual document thing is downright irksome. |
12:58 |
ben_vulpes |
or not validating the same doc... |
12:58 |
asciilifeform |
phone demo << http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << ancient classic, no news |
12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
i'd really like punkbot to take in the raw doc and .sig files. but...whatever. |
13:01 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: note on s.qntr prospectus |
13:01 |
thestringpuller |
the signed IPO's are not linked on MPEx.co |
13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller http://mpex.co/assets/s.wol-468F4AD0.txt what dfo you mean not linked ? |
13:02 |
assbot |
MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. |
13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
oh i see it's malformed. thanks! |
13:02 |
thestringpuller |
yea |
13:03 |
thestringpuller |
linked but malformed! my bad. i'm trying to get better at this words thing. |
13:05 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: did you try the gpg multisig hack? |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
for n00b turdatronic engineers >> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures |
13:08 |
assbot |
Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin |
13:09 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: we did and it blew up on digests. |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
(selectice bug list by malicious folks) |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
(selective* |
13:09 |
ben_vulpes |
what is the net column? |
13:10 |
ben_vulpes |
ah upgrade rate |
13:10 |
ben_vulpes |
how would they know... |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: nodes polled and returned version <= it |
13:16 |
ben_vulpes |
<jurov> http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea << my braindump about turdatron << UPNP was me, jurov |
13:16 |
assbot |
Some dangerous idea - serialized delusions |
13:17 |
jurov |
lol... we miss that damn thing |
13:17 |
asciilifeform |
right |
13:18 |
ben_vulpes |
forgive my mis/poor-understanding of the gpgmail thing, but... |
13:19 |
ben_vulpes |
is a clearsigned body not adequate because risk of crlf's? |
13:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00078725 = 6.139 BTC [+] |
13:19 |
jurov |
the body is only comment. patch itself will be always in attachment |
13:19 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: every email system everywhere appears to feel entitled to rape plain ascii in a dozen ways |
13:19 |
jurov |
with another attachemnt the signature |
13:20 |
ben_vulpes |
so what's wrong with a needle through which interested parties must pass their messages? |
13:20 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes ? |
13:20 |
jurov |
what do you mean? |
13:21 |
ben_vulpes |
those who wish to write messages to the mailing list must ensure that their messages arrive mutilated. |
13:21 |
ben_vulpes |
un*mutilated |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: how? |
13:21 |
ben_vulpes |
a bounce notification would be nice. |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: ddos vector |
13:21 |
jurov |
if you register, you'll get bounces |
13:22 |
rithm |
there's actually some new appify thing that takes source code and make pretty .pdfs from it |
13:22 |
jurov |
or it will be held for moderation, dunn how it's configured atm |
13:22 |
rithm |
fyi |
13:23 |
asciilifeform |
rithm: LaTeX |
13:23 |
jurov |
rithm, thx i remembereed lxr |
13:23 |
jurov |
it generates crosslinked html from c sources have used it to hack |
13:23 |
ben_vulpes |
so register, send messages until bounces stop |
13:24 |
* |
ben_vulpes goes to test |
13:25 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: would use latex |
13:25 |
thestringpuller |
oh yea i remember what I was doing |
13:25 |
thestringpuller |
!s from:asciilifeform turd |
13:25 |
assbot |
213 results for 'from:asciilifeform turd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+turd |
13:26 |
thestringpuller |
^- these are pretty good |
13:29 |
jurov |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896195 |
13:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-10-2014 00:02:57; assbot: 374 results for 'turd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=turd |
13:29 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: i don't get bounces for failed signatures. |
13:29 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways |
13:29 |
jurov |
;;calc 213/374 |
13:29 |
gribble |
0.569518716578 |
13:29 |
ben_vulpes |
my mail client doesn't seem to have a problem sending plaintext emails. |
13:32 |
xanthyos |
WHO IS ANDREAS AMANONTOPOFUS? |
13:32 |
thestringpuller |
isn't he that guy on ABC news |
13:33 |
jurov |
ben_vulpes: i don't see you in memberlist |
13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
xanthyos you mean andreas imarriedadoofus ? |
13:36 |
asciilifeform |
lxr << what a turd! wants 'apache', and to be a server, etc. |
13:37 |
asciilifeform |
i always wondered why there isn't just a gizmo that eats a source tree and craps out html where any keyword that appears more than once is hyperlinked |
13:39 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000002.html << eh? |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
cuz php is the tool for that job and ppl are too good for php ? |
13:40 |
asciilifeform |
what's php to do with it? in principle it could work for any language syntax |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, was my best guess. |
13:40 |
jurov |
ben_vulpes: nice |
13:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00078761 = 15.8703 BTC [+] |
13:42 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: the unsigned email did not arrive, so i must presume your filter is doing *something* |
13:43 |
jurov |
yes i did get notification for the first one |
13:43 |
jurov |
you thought NSA ate it? |
13:45 |
|
Bet placed: 20 BTC for No on "BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/713/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 54.81502285 BTC. Current weight: 14,770. |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
www.usapglobal.org/webalizer/low-concord-11s.html << the spammers thank the usap for all the free hosting/google rank |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
and why have a fucking email anywhere on the site ? not like you need to be warned when you got buttraped, because super-speshul and errything. |
13:49 |
ben_vulpes |
that's a helluva bet |
13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
esp given the low weight. |
13:50 |
asciilifeform |
no one knows of a cpp to html-concordance gizmo that isn't a steaming turd ? |
13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
o wait, "in principle it could work for any language syntax" ? |
13:51 |
* |
mircea_popescu cackles |
13:52 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: basic principle, you tell it how to tokenize a given language, the rest is concordance mechanism |
13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
no argument there, just... you know |
13:52 |
kakobrekla |
top |
13:52 |
kakobrekla |
eh |
13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
did you lose again ? :D |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.ocmetro.com/ << orange county experts. meanwhile www.ocmetro.com/pp.aspx up their butt. |
13:55 |
assbot |
OC METRO Magazine |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!up rdekley |
13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.r3.org.uk/ "R3, The Association of Business Recovery Professionals is the leading organisation for insolvency, restructuring and turnaround specialists in the UK." but meanwhile www.r3.org.uk/styles/list.cfm?id=221 nike blazar |
13:58 |
assbot |
R3: Association of Business Recovery Professionals |
13:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://www.w3.org/Tools/Prog_lang_filters.html << classic decay of civilization. 9 of 10 links - dead. and most of the systems are for producing 'auto documentation' - that is, made for satisfying retarded management, rather than to actually aid in study of code. |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
yup. |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the thing with bitcoin. never before have been smart people motivated to consider a wide swath of issues |
14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
from money and what poor idiots may get all the way to concordance mechanisms. |
14:01 |
jurov |
lxr is a steaming turd? |
14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
it's all been a "let the wife handle it" sort of whatever, while graham went on with "his real work" up until now. |
14:01 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: yes. wants apache. QED. |
14:02 |
jurov |
cus it's bunch of cgi scripts. |
14:02 |
jurov |
that does not mean papache |
14:03 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: i need static html. |
14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Takeshi |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this is the thing with bitcoin << well, halfway there. stokes appetite, yes. but can't satisfy hunger by rubbing stomach. |
14:09 |
asciilifeform |
!s spreading works |
14:09 |
assbot |
12 results for 'spreading works' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spreading+works |
14:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802309 |
14:09 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.' |
14:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00078989 = 8.7678 BTC [+] {2} |
14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform granted. still... a step forward, soviet! :D |
14:15 |
asciilifeform |
world full'o'delicious spreadables. |
14:15 |
assbot |
lobbes +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
14:16 |
bounce |
!up lobbes |
14:16 |
lobbes |
ty, I have fallen from assbot's favor :/ |
14:17 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: as granin says, "To capitalism!" |
14:19 |
asciilifeform |
to fapitalism. |
14:19 |
diametric |
https://www.drupal.org/PSA-2014-003 |
14:19 |
assbot |
Drupal Core - Highly Critical - Public Service announcement - PSA-2014-003 | Drupal.org |
14:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6737 @ 0.00079009 = 5.3228 BTC [+] |
14:22 |
asciilifeform |
^ massive total pwn |
14:23 |
punkman |
drupal's even worse than wordpress |
14:23 |
bounce |
is it now? |
14:23 |
ben_vulpes |
lol drupal |
14:23 |
diametric |
statistically i'd say no |
14:24 |
diametric |
at a previous job i had a decades worth of data involving compromised websites, and wordpress by far lead the pack in vulnerable and shitty cms |
14:24 |
asciilifeform |
statistically - christmas never comes for the goose. |
14:24 |
punkman |
well dunno about security, but once upon a time I tried to work with it and it made 0 sense |
14:25 |
bounce |
ah. vulnerability revealed! |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a bonus for jurov http://www.tomorrowisanotherday.de/overview/boys/#/ |
14:25 |
assbot |
Tomorrow Is Another Day |
14:26 |
joecool |
diametric: DNN would win most compromised in my experience, wordpress usually got compromised through crappy plugins (of which there are MANY to choose from) |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
which one is dnn ? |
14:26 |
joecool |
dotnetnuke (asp.net shit) |
14:27 |
diametric |
joecool: quite possibly, the data i had was real world scenarios, so actual real world wordpress installations. |
14:27 |
diametric |
which apparently includes a lot of shitty plugins. |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ah. from what i see a lot of sites get owned through some sort of image plugin |
14:27 |
joecool |
timthumb |
14:27 |
joecool |
a lot a of theme designers used it |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
www.wagonsformemories.com/images/links-of-london-cheap-charms.html << example. |
14:28 |
joecool |
even the creator of timthumb doesn't suggest it anymore |
14:28 |
joecool |
after they fixed the issues |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
www.snackbox-express.li/css/THAVASA-1.html << also see a lot of shit dumped in /css/ , which is problably indicative of wp or django |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
di-via.ru/images/tmp/1399976090_well20142.html >> moar /images/ |
14:29 |
diametric |
"Removing a compromised website’s backdoors is difficult because it is not possible to be certain all backdoors have been found." lols. |
14:29 |
joecool |
most certainly timthumb, that script allowed you to upload any file trivially |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
diametric i don't think anyone tries to clean servers. reinstall is the only pill. |
14:30 |
diametric |
agreed |
14:30 |
diametric |
but almost never happens in practice |
14:30 |
joecool |
wordpress can be secured fairly well, not too many do it though (involves ripping out wp-admin from frontend and a mess of other things) |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
well that's because people build from the ground up with security in mind so never get owned. |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool trilema was originally wp. |
14:31 |
ben_vulpes |
lol and what is it now mircea_popescu |
14:31 |
joecool |
mircea_popescu: did you have any compromises when it was? |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no idea. |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool no. here's a guy trying tho : http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90300 |
14:32 |
assbot |
The Storm That Was Fel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
www.active-tools.com/Sitemanager/mulberry.asp?id=55 << also lulzy. wtf is "sitemanager" |
14:37 |
kakobrekla |
a friend at coinbase links me http://blog.coinbase.com/post/101266587127/introducing-multisig-vault-you-can-now-control-your - thanks to jurov i can link him http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea |
14:37 |
assbot |
The Coinbase Blog — Introducing Multisig Vault - You Can Now Control Your Own Private Keys On Coinbase |
14:37 |
assbot |
Some dangerous idea - serialized delusions |
14:38 |
kakobrekla |
hehe |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
www.negotiatinggenuinely.com/holding/admin/gucci_online_433.html << guy wrote a book. herp. |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov it's either a dangerous idea or some dangerous ideas you know. |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'spam like a pro in 21 hours' ? |
14:38 |
jurov |
kakobrekla how does it relate to some derpwallet? |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well, no, "how to negotiate". pretty sure he's a clueless twit rather than the actual spammer |
14:39 |
jurov |
fixed thx |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
did that break kako's url now |
14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
www.ispeacepossible.com/flv/mulberry-sale/ |
14:42 |
kakobrekla |
it relates |
14:43 |
kakobrekla |
somebody is DOING something, and somebody else is DOING something else |
14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
im sure, just get everyone purses. |
14:43 |
kakobrekla |
ez. |
14:43 |
asciilifeform |
if the idea is 'shit we won't ever do' list - all the paper in the world would not suffice |
14:44 |
kakobrekla |
well not all the possible shit, just shit others are doing. |
14:44 |
kakobrekla |
that would fit on paper. |
14:45 |
kakobrekla |
at least i hope |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
can i do the somebody doing something while doing the somebody else doing the something else ? |
14:45 |
kakobrekla |
correct |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
let's make it done! |
14:45 |
asciilifeform |
'little fleas have smaller fleas, on their backs to bite them....' |
14:46 |
kakobrekla |
is there no last flea? |
14:47 |
kakobrekla |
is the set finite in other words |
14:47 |
kakobrekla |
hello is this thing on? |
14:48 |
asciilifeform |
'little scams have lesser scams, at their heels to scam them; and lesser scams, have lesser scams; and lesser spams... |
14:48 |
kakobrekla |
ah! i was hoping for a 'yes'. |
14:50 |
asciilifeform |
'but greater scams have greater scams, for their chumps to go on; and greater scams - yet greater scams, and greater ones, and so on... |
14:52 |
kakobrekla |
until you get to homeopathic levels of scam |
14:52 |
kakobrekla |
which isnt medicine arguably |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.ristoranteletoile.it/acquista-oakley/ << check that one out. |
14:53 |
assbot |
Oakley |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
oakley took over a domain that seems like it was registered by some restaurant in italy, because well... spam. |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently it's dangerous to actually run an open spamserver on your domain name. i wonder how they did it tho. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://gbcinternetenforcement.net/12-cv-9864b "oakley vs 100 does". now how the fuck did they get an .it domain ? |
14:55 |
assbot |
Oakley, Inc. v. DOES 1-100 et al. Case No. 12-cv-9864 | Greer, Burns & Crain, Ltd. |
14:56 |
asciilifeform |
muppeteer state vs. muppet state, no contest |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
uhm. |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.tripadvisor.it/Restaurant_Review-g194794-d1547813-Reviews-Ristorante_L_Etoile-Lido_Di_Camaiore_Camaiore_Province_of_Lucca_Tuscany.html << meanwhile the actual place. |
14:58 |
assbot |
Ristorante L' Etoile, Lido Di Camaiore - Recensioni, Numero di Telefono & Foto - TripAdvisor |
14:58 |
joecool |
is oakley a luxottica co? |
14:58 |
joecool |
er brand |
14:58 |
joecool |
oh yes, they are |
14:58 |
joecool |
that's why |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool yeah. |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so what if the yare ?! |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
oh. nm :) |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
good catch there. |
15:00 |
asciilifeform |
and - it was a default judgement, looks like. |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
https://i.imgur.com/R4owdC2.png << this should be a logo |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
if i ever start a law firm... |
15:00 |
mike_c |
<+kakobrekla> is there no last flea? << it's turtles all the way down. |
15:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21163 @ 0.00078725 = 16.6606 BTC [-] |
15:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i could've sworn i had a textbook with those insects on the cover. (algorithms??) |
15:01 |
kakobrekla |
hehe yea |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
15:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00078782 = 11.8961 BTC [+] |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
!up username0 |
15:10 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/rockminer-and-asicminer-form-mining-cartel-to-launch-amhash1/ and http://qntra.net/2014/10/currentc-breeched/ |
15:10 |
assbot |
RockMiner and ASICMINER Form Mining Cartel to Launch AMHash1 | Qntra.net |
15:10 |
assbot |
CurrentC Breeched | Qntra.net |
15:11 |
joecool |
the payment system industry is a fucking mess in the US |
15:12 |
joecool |
though i did think "Pay With ISIS" was funny |
15:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23420 @ 0.00078797 = 18.4543 BTC [+] {2} |
15:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah. |
15:22 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/gnu-wget-vulnerability/ << Thank you decimation |
15:22 |
assbot |
GNU wget Vulnerability | Qntra.net |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: diametric |
15:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Sorry, thanks diametric. |
15:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Name collision error in headspace. |
15:24 |
asciilifeform |
aaand... latest (no. 4) turd - builds, fetches blocks, appears to function |
15:25 |
asciilifeform |
on an entirely 'pedestrial' gentoo box, even. |
15:25 |
* |
BingoBoingo applauds |
15:25 |
asciilifeform |
*pedestrian |
15:25 |
BingoBoingo |
I kind of liked the pedestrian/industrial combo word |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
well done! |
15:26 |
asciilifeform |
still nowhere to house it though |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
icm-ca.net/ lol |
15:44 |
joecool |
ugh i hate how gnupg2 depends on pinentry -_- |
15:47 |
TomServo |
http://online.wsj.com/articles/fed-ends-bond-buys-sticks-to-0-rate-for-considerable-time-1414605953 |
15:47 |
assbot |
Fed Ends Bond Buys, Sticks to 0% Rate for ‘Considerable Time’ - WSJ - WSJ |
15:47 |
jurov |
http://news.yahoo.com/blackmailers-threaten-czechs-ebola-outbreak-174554506.html |
15:47 |
assbot |
Blackmailers threaten Czechs with Ebola outbreak - Yahoo News |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
"give us ten hot models or else" ? |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
!s czech ebola |
15:49 |
assbot |
0 results for 'czech ebola' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=czech+ebola |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
odd - it was here. |
15:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00078725 = 6.6129 BTC [-] |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/527436809312419840 << lol win. |
15:54 |
assbot |
What is the common thread connecting bitcoin WoT fixation, MRAs, PUAs and trolling? It’s quite peculiar how those cluster. |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
scammerboy figures he got himself an angle, does he ? |
15:55 |
xanthyos |
!UP danielpbarron |
15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol:thickasthieves still buried - yea, I missed few days and dont think I'm ever gonna get through it -esp with any given link prompting hours+ sidetrack journey <<< you know, after a decade or two it gets better. |
15:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00078974 = 8.1343 BTC [+] |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
thickasthieves: at least read about turdatron. |
15:58 |
kakobrekla |
reading ze lawgs is a full time jewb. |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Megacosm |
15:58 |
Megacosm |
:) |
15:58 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/28/wisconsin-police-bring-bearcat-armored-vehicle-property-fine?CMP=fb_gu |
15:58 |
assbot |
Wisconsin police send armoured vehicle to collect fine from 75-year-old | US news | theguardian.com |
15:59 |
Megacosm |
Hii |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller mod6 http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=S.QNTR << signed files fixed., ty ! |
15:59 |
assbot |
S.QNTR last @0.00000000 |
15:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00079128 = 19.9007 BTC [+] {3} |
16:01 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: cool, np :] |
16:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4498 @ 0.00079293 = 3.5666 BTC [+] |
16:03 |
xanthyos |
namtso |
16:04 |
Megacosm |
Xan :) |
16:05 |
danielpbarron |
Megacosm, get in the WoT |
16:05 |
Megacosm |
O.o |
16:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00079583 = 24.432 BTC [+] {3} |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves incidentally, it occurs to me derpopo strangely omitted "technological expertise", "discoursive domination" and "intellectual superiority" in his list. |
16:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00079633 = 8.8393 BTC [+] |
16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
then again i guess the blind man easily forgets to list vision. |
16:15 |
xanthyos |
Megacosm: join the wot, sell honey to these people for btc, no storefront, no overhead, no income tax |
16:15 |
asciilifeform |
132,000+ blocks... |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what, in a day ? that's pretty reasonable. |
16:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00079638 = 4.5394 BTC [+] {2} |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: hour |
16:20 |
Apocalyptic |
asciilifeform, you're syncing the turd ? |
16:21 |
asciilifeform |
aha, live fire test. |
16:21 |
Apocalyptic |
the first 100k blocks go like a brease yeah |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
even better. |
16:22 |
Megacosm |
I need to get hives first xan |
16:22 |
Megacosm |
One step at a time lol |
16:23 |
kakobrekla |
you installing those in datacenters? |
16:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23273 @ 0.00079691 = 18.5465 BTC [+] {2} |
16:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13886 @ 0.00079849 = 11.0878 BTC [+] |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta love peeps that list "enquiries@" contact emails |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
Esquire Within! |
16:34 |
asciilifeform |
lintel inside! |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao yeah |
16:39 |
ben_vulpes |
http://therealbitcoin.org/charter.html << in the absence of deedbot |
16:47 |
thickasthieves |
“I’ve been involved in about five standoff situations where, as soon as the MARV showed up, the person gives up,” Bean told the Journal Sentinel. |
16:47 |
thickasthieves |
yes i will dig into the turdatron and I'm happy about the foundation |
16:47 |
thickasthieves |
i will also donate when ready |
16:48 |
TomServo |
MARV also saves money! it's a win-win really. |
16:48 |
ben_vulpes |
hush you all stop talking about donating |
16:48 |
ben_vulpes |
that's so entirely not the point |
16:48 |
thickasthieves |
fuel up the tank boys, we gon save some munny ta-day! |
16:48 |
thickasthieves |
how is me donating related to any kind of point of it |
16:49 |
nubbins` |
52 weeks o' fux |
16:49 |
thickasthieves |
money is time manifest |
16:49 |
nubbins` |
where is punkbot! |
16:49 |
thickasthieves |
i want to give you guys time to do it |
16:49 |
thickasthieves |
so what? |
16:50 |
thickasthieves |
really i just wanna have ya'll in my pocket so when usg turns me i have value |
16:50 |
nubbins` |
heh |
16:50 |
nubbins` |
i got turned like 5 months ago |
16:50 |
nubbins` |
it's good money |
16:50 |
thickasthieves |
hehe |
16:50 |
ben_vulpes |
... |
16:50 |
ben_vulpes |
terrifying. |
16:50 |
nubbins` |
all i gotta do is ask the occasional probing question and generally fuck with the S/N ratio |
16:50 |
thickasthieves |
reality bites |
16:50 |
nubbins` |
easy paycheque |
16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud marv |
16:51 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=marv | "IT'S MARV" T_T phone call: marv : lets hang out other: eww why? marv: because marv gets lonely and has to do his job other: no marv : what the... bitch. by catttt ... |
16:51 |
TomServo |
mircea_popescu: the wisconsin article, it's what the call the armored vehicle |
16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
a |
16:52 |
thickasthieves |
speaking of which, why is reddit so excited that a longtime SEC chairman is advising bitpay or whomeevr? |
16:52 |
nubbins` |
misconsin armored retard vehicle |
16:52 |
thickasthieves |
yay let's be SECified! |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
monkey is excited anytime nobody's beating it to shit. |
16:52 |
nubbins` |
i'll be excited when daphna a. waxman starts advising someone |
16:52 |
thickasthieves |
sounds like dream come true for usg |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
two modes of the flux processor. pain and excitement. |
16:53 |
thickasthieves |
oh SECguy got in, word! |
16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe they should ask him anything. |
16:53 |
nubbins` |
<TomServo> any interest? << I'm interested. Will it be another sight unseen deal? <<< probably same as last time, sight-unseen for preorder discount |
16:54 |
nubbins` |
seemed to work ok last time, nobody complained "hey this poster is a piece of shit" etc |
16:54 |
thickasthieves |
well thats hard to know tho |
16:54 |
thickasthieves |
maybe they just didnt buy |
16:55 |
nubbins` |
no, i mean the people who bought it unseen didn't complain that it sucked |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
he sold out iirc. |
16:55 |
thickasthieves |
word |
16:55 |
nubbins` |
yah, 100 posters |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` is going to end up immortalised in history like a bug in amber : that one guy that was going to print a book when all hell broke loose. |
16:56 |
nubbins` |
prolly be a few books about this place before it's all over |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
dioceseofsthelena.com/?mke=Sale-Michael-Kors-Handbags.html << apparently helena is still a total posh slut. |
16:57 |
nubbins` |
BISHOP RICHARD |
16:57 |
thickasthieves |
bichard |
16:57 |
nubbins` |
sounds better in french |
16:58 |
nubbins` |
so vexual is from iowa, hey? |
16:58 |
nubbins` |
i mean, i guess. |
17:00 |
BingoBoingo |
nubbins` is going to have to get a web press before the end of time |
17:00 |
nubbins` |
eff that |
17:00 |
nubbins` |
offset is for squares |
17:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, so the plan is to outsource the luser versions of the books? |
17:01 |
nubbins` |
nope, book will be 100% produced by me |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
out of wood shavings and glue. |
17:02 |
nubbins` |
i don't anticipate a huge demand right off the bat, so it'll be best to handle it myself |
17:02 |
nubbins` |
outsourcing comes with high minimums |
17:03 |
thickasthieves |
give it a eteched holographic cover and all of reddit will buy one too |
17:03 |
thickasthieves |
an etched* |
17:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure, but in a decade and a half when people want a textbook for courses... |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://robertmouawad.com/ << check out this dude lmao. |
17:06 |
assbot |
ROBERT MOUAWAD |
17:07 |
thickasthieves |
jewelers are such scammers |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
but this guy in particular lol. that's like pedosmile**pedosmile |
17:09 |
thickasthieves |
heh, pro gaming team using .gg as domain, i approve |
17:09 |
thickasthieves |
http://cloud9.gg/ |
17:09 |
assbot |
Cloud9 |
17:10 |
nubbins` |
BingoBoingo at that point, addison wesley'll be churning them out by the millions, $150ea |
17:10 |
nubbins` |
($35ea outside of na/eu) |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` how would they get a license ? |
17:10 |
nubbins` |
ostensibly they'd do their own version |
17:11 |
nubbins` |
it's not like i've got a monopoly on transcribing code |
17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
this code ? |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
what, it's on the interwebs, anyone can come publish it and sell the book ? |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a thought : the sword cuts both ways. the same asinine legal idiocy that can be used to hinder bitcoin exchanges can be used by sovereign bitcoin companies to fuck everyone non-immune in the ass. |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
not like aw is going to move out of the us just so they can derp with bitcoin manual. |
17:15 |
nubbins` |
<+mircea_popescu> what, it's on the interwebs, anyone can come publish it and sell the book ? <<< "Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software..." |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
"to make money selling it" ? |
17:15 |
nubbins` |
uh, yes. |
17:16 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/bWx1q9q9 |
17:16 |
assbot |
Copyright (c) 2009-2012 Bitcoin Developers Permission is hereby granted, free - Pastebin.com |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
who are these "bitcoin developers" ? |
17:16 |
nubbins` |
beats me |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
right ? i mean amir also put some sort of disclaimer on whatever random code he "released" |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
sword cuts both ways. law abiding types will be fighing injunctions for twenty years before they can as much as print a fucking page off this log. |
17:18 |
nubbins` |
well, tell alf to cut COPYING from the book, i guess |
17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
or in other words, no, bitcoin isn't "open for everyone". bitcoin is open for everyone IN BITCOIN, |
17:18 |
nubbins` |
i'm just the printer ;D |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
but that does not mean random fiat corp can come by and get rich exploiting it. |
17:19 |
bounce |
what? it's public, apparenly publicised with the consent of the authors. no judge is going to protect these logs, no matter how much you spend on lawyers. |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce selections are still protected. |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
and the fact that a woman is naked does not give you license to rape her. |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
even should you imagine the place she's naked at is public. |
17:20 |
bounce |
oh shush. you and your right to rape, eh. |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
published != made public domain. |
17:20 |
bounce |
those copyright notices, though. do they have written consent from satoshi? |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
17:20 |
nubbins` |
bounce iirc the original versions had satoshi's name |
17:20 |
undata |
"his property was just sitting there, unguarded by razor wire!" |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
17:20 |
nubbins` |
anyone with a 0.1 bundle able to confirm? |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
that what ? |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
"satoshi's name" ? what, and we've been looking for a name all these years because nobody read the code ? |
17:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00080566 = 14.7436 BTC [+] |
17:21 |
nubbins` |
Copyright (c) 2009 Satoshi Nakamoto in COPYING |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
it was right there ? |
17:22 |
bounce |
he's not available to contest it and then you get into who has standing? (favourite usg tactic too. yes yes that's highly illegal, but nobody with standing to contest it.) |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
all the actual merits discussion aside, experience shows that a judge will protect literally anything, just gotta find the right judge. |
17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce you make a claim, they make a claim. it goes to trial. sometime. |
17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
when it's done you make another claim. on it goes. |
17:23 |
bounce |
if you have the money and time to keep on litigating |
17:24 |
undata |
on the bitcoin side I'd rather these things were handled by reputation destruction |
17:24 |
undata |
than having some judge involved |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe the public splaying of assholes like addison wesley is worth a dime off my pocet. |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
and there's a foundation now, too. |
17:24 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: mailman will display gpg clearsigned attachment inline if you rename it to .txt (and i don't ned to diddle code then) |
17:25 |
undata |
I've always liked exile as a form of punishment. |
17:25 |
nubbins` |
i don't understand |
17:26 |
jurov |
nubbins`: who? me? |
17:26 |
nubbins` |
mp |
17:26 |
nubbins` |
you're saying replace the existing license with a new one, and then sue people who violate the new license? o.O |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
17:27 |
undata |
presumably there will be new code with the rewrite |
17:27 |
nubbins` |
undata, sure, but the old code is still covered by its original license |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
im saying, it's extremely unlikely any of the dead trees publishers will come compete with you, because their legal dept won't let them. |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
and if their legal dept drops the ball, all the better, carnage. |
17:27 |
nubbins` |
well why not just say that ;/ |
17:28 |
undata |
nubbins`: hm, what if all the old code is replaced? |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
because i like circumlocution, it's instructive to the audience. |
17:28 |
nubbins` |
undata then there's no problem. just ask the GNU team |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
17:28 |
nubbins` |
:D |
17:28 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu: and the fact that a woman is naked does not give you license to rape her. <<< sounds like teach men not to rape, don't tell women what to wear, andreas would be proud |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla the law's the law yo. |
17:29 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: I'm interested in your thoughts on the reputation destruction / exile angle. |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
you and i might not give a shit, but all these fiat dorks have no choice and no option. |
17:29 |
undata |
vs traditional law enforcement |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
undata exile of who ? they're not even in the wot. |
17:29 |
cazalla |
i would guess most rapists would prefer the woman dressed to begin with anyway |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla yes. most rapists aren't interested in women that enjoy fucking in public. |
17:29 |
cazalla |
christmas is no fun if your present is not wrapped |
17:30 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: in the future, should BTC engulf the old thing, I could see that being a requirement |
17:30 |
undata |
and I could see being left outside being a pretty terrible disincentive |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
well, prerequistie more than requirement. |
17:30 |
undata |
say X steals your content, you're well known/liked/etc |
17:31 |
undata |
there's a backlash and he receives negative ratings from many |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
http://rinamusic.com/ < was anyone looking for a singer ? |
17:31 |
assbot |
RINA MIRANDA |
17:31 |
undata |
the guy is marked for life |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!s to take her back |
17:31 |
assbot |
4 results for 'to take her back' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=to+take+her+back |
17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
my content is like my sluts : more expensive to steal than to rent. |
17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#881342 << this is the link i wanted. |
17:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 17-10-2014 23:29:04; mircea_popescu: you know the story about how they kidnapped that chick, sent a ransom note, |
17:33 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: one could imagine further that a system of contracts among those operating the most important parts of the economy might prevent them from dealing with the "marked" |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe. |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
this is one of the least understood parts, how all this will work. |
17:35 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RHFFeQ2tu4 |
17:35 |
assbot |
Fever The Ghost - SOURCE (official music video) - YouTube |
17:40 |
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Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/713/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 58.81502285 BTC. Current weight: 14,723. |
17:41 |
ben_vulpes |
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/dBbNKqj.png << chrome |
17:41 |
kakobrekla |
you trying to say it pays too much? |
17:42 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: good jams |
17:42 |
ben_vulpes |
watch that video tho |
17:43 |
ben_vulpes |
felix colgrave would be a neat choice for btc comix |
17:43 |
ben_vulpes |
animations |
17:43 |
ben_vulpes |
who knows |
17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
dja know him ? |
17:44 |
kakobrekla |
ben_vulpes cant reproduce, do you know whats the problem or fix ? |
17:45 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: like, woah. |
17:46 |
assbot |
jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
!up jborkl_ |
17:47 |
jborkl_ |
hello all |
17:48 |
jborkl_ |
I am finally done with the website. I have fixed all my known errors, except the grammer :/ Those will never be fixed |
17:50 |
kakobrekla |
now you can start working for qntra >< |
17:50 |
jborkl_ |
it would be easy now. I know what to do |
17:50 |
jborkl_ |
I even got it down to one w3tc error. I have to leave one just for the hell of it |
17:51 |
undata |
jborkl_: what website? |
17:51 |
jborkl_ |
bcoinnews |
17:53 |
jborkl_ |
getting into google news is the last part, but I have done everything needed so it should be smooth |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ttnews_ |
17:54 |
jborkl_ |
Mircea, how is Argentina treating you? |
17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty good actually. |
17:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00081054 = 15.9676 BTC [+] {2} |
17:55 |
jborkl_ |
excellent, picking up the language pretty easy? |
17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
i was fluent in spanish before coming. |
17:55 |
jborkl_ |
so just the local dialect |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
not that distant. they just mispronounce some things. |
17:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14036 @ 0.00080404 = 11.2855 BTC [-] {3} |
17:59 |
adlai |
https://eprint.iacr.org/2011/207.pdf <- why isn't this called POO |
18:00 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: seen his stuff before. |
18:00 |
ben_vulpes |
not acquainted in person. |
18:00 |
ben_vulpes |
kakobrekla: no idea. |
18:00 |
ben_vulpes |
HAVE A USELESS BUG REPORT BRO |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes ah in that sense. what i mean is, there's plenty of talent out there. whether the talent is in the wot or not about 1000x as much as a factor as how good stuff they got in their portofolio |
18:01 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: ah, i see. well, i enjoy his animations but my taste may not align with anyone else's. |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the time when mediocre artists get to become stars, simply for moving faster than the average "talented" idiot. |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly like picasso did, back in his day. |
18:02 |
ben_vulpes |
undata, mircea_popescu: more felix colgrave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUR09yRHZU |
18:02 |
assbot |
The Elephant's Garden - YouTube |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody remembers godward today ( http://trilema.com/2010/lumea-nu-i-de-ajuns/ ) |
18:02 |
assbot |
Lumea nu-i de-ajuns pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
much more talented, but... who cares. so he killed himself because picasso was way ahead. |
18:03 |
ben_vulpes |
for some reason i think asciilifeform would like the above linked video too |
18:07 |
ttnews_ |
any guess as to how low bitcoin will go? |
18:07 |
los_pantalones |
$1 |
18:07 |
ben_vulpes |
assets is now on a hallutropic interlude ttnews_ |
18:07 |
ben_vulpes |
they'll be right back. |
18:07 |
undata |
liked it. |
18:08 |
adlai |
ttnews_: bitcoin clearly doesn't have a single price yet, so on which market are you wondering? |
18:08 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: you may enjoy the game Machinarium |
18:08 |
undata |
"Amanita Design" created it |
18:09 |
ttnews_ |
I'm a newb made a big mistake and longed at 348. I read a website claiming it could go to 320 or as low as 280. I don't wanna panic but then again i get the feeling like i should cut my losses then short it since the stock market did crappy |
18:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00081021 = 12.0721 BTC [+] |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
ttnews_ noobs have no business playing speculator with their consumer savings. |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
reduce your holdings to something comensurate with your means and go read up on bitcoin. |
18:10 |
los_pantalones |
^ |
18:12 |
ttnews_ |
is there any way i can salvage the dmg caused so far. I lose everything at $321 but I'm thinking it could bounce back and rise? fml... |
18:12 |
ben_vulpes |
ttnews_: time heals all wounds. |
18:13 |
ttnews_ |
ty ben. |
18:13 |
los_pantalones |
you lose everything? don't quite understand that |
18:13 |
mike_c |
margin! |
18:13 |
los_pantalones |
oh christ |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones he probably bought who knows what overleveraged nonsense |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
binary options, what have you |
18:14 |
los_pantalones |
lose it and sail quietly into the dusk |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
ask your wife/gf/so to give you 100 lashes to the bare buttocks while at it. |
18:14 |
los_pantalones |
NO! he might want that |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
you know the one where two traditional parents find some pretty heavy bdsm porny magazines in junior's room ? |
18:15 |
los_pantalones |
n |
18:15 |
ttnews_ |
yea margin - i'm a sucker |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
cue to them sitting pensively around the kitchen table. after a while, wife : "i think we shouldn't punish him..." |
18:16 |
los_pantalones |
haha |
18:16 |
los_pantalones |
ttnews_ why would you trade something that drifts 5% overnight |
18:16 |
los_pantalones |
on margin |
18:16 |
los_pantalones |
also, you understand this selloff is specifically targeted to squeeze ppl like you out of the market? |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones i guess you misses that one time when it went 400% in two hours. |
18:16 |
los_pantalones |
and bitpay |
18:18 |
ttnews_ |
yes - short squeeze.. i'm learning the terms. another term i'm very knowledgable on: murphy's law |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
how old are you anyway ? |
18:18 |
los_pantalones |
mircea, don't kill him, please, enough carnage for one night |
18:18 |
ttnews_ |
34 |
18:18 |
los_pantalones |
STOP |
18:19 |
los_pantalones |
you sound 14 |
18:19 |
undata |
"I've never shot a gun before. I got this AR15; now my feet are gone. Guys, what do I do?" |
18:19 |
los_pantalones |
got any bullets left ? |
18:19 |
undata |
los_pantalones: just one |
18:19 |
los_pantalones |
you know what to do |
18:20 |
undata |
aye captain |
18:20 |
undata |
even on /r/bitcoin there have been numerous, NUMEROUS horror stories about this. |
18:20 |
undata |
the solution is to never gamble again. |
18:20 |
undata |
solved. |
18:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00081021 = 1.7014 BTC [+] |
18:21 |
ttnews_ |
i got the charts right just panicked like a newb - if I were a little more patient I'd be doing great now... |
18:22 |
ben_vulpes |
what is this, torture hour in -assets? |
18:22 |
ttnews_ |
lol |
18:22 |
los_pantalones |
CHARTS! |
18:22 |
los_pantalones |
and with that |
18:22 |
los_pantalones |
i'm out |
18:22 |
ben_vulpes |
roast the poor squeezed longs in the forum as an example. |
18:22 |
los_pantalones |
night boys |
18:22 |
Apocalyptic |
"if I were a little more patient I'd be doing great now..." // the noob fallacy, as it there was a way to perfectly time the bottom |
18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
he got the charts right lol |
18:22 |
ben_vulpes |
adios los_pantalones |
18:22 |
Apocalyptic |
*as if |
18:22 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: is that an invitation? |
18:22 |
undata |
haha |
18:23 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea, but it's TA ! it must be working |
18:23 |
ttnews_ |
go for it, i deserve it |
18:23 |
ben_vulpes |
undata: it's the forum, you can speak, you don't need any permission from me. |
18:23 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: you said "goodbye pants" |
18:23 |
ben_vulpes |
my position on trading's an open secret. |
18:23 |
ben_vulpes |
oh ho ho you funny man. |
18:24 |
ben_vulpes |
hey mircea_popescu you doing any of this? http://www.openhousebsas.org/ |
18:24 |
assbot |
48h Open House Buenos Aires |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
l.o.l. |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
18:28 |
ben_vulpes |
salud, bitstein |
18:29 |
bitstein |
howdy |
18:29 |
ben_vulpes |
ca va? |
18:29 |
bitstein |
Good. Yourself? |
18:29 |
nubbins` |
<+ben_vulpes> kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/dBbNKqj.png << chrome <<< same happens here |
18:30 |
jurov |
;;ticker |
18:30 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 336.34, Best ask: 336.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 336.34, 24 hour volume: 12803.75420714, 24 hour low: 336.01, 24 hour high: 357.45, 24 hour vwap: 345.185687843 |
18:30 |
nubbins` |
kakobrekla: add a <br/> after <div class="calcInputLine">...</div> |
18:31 |
nubbins` |
just before the first <span class="calcResult"> |
18:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00080299 = 17.8264 BTC [-] {2} |
18:36 |
thestringpuller |
bitstein I hung out with you're buddy Pierre_Rochard last week. Cool dude. |
18:36 |
thestringpuller |
your* |
18:36 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ident bitstein |
18:36 |
gribble |
Nick 'bitstein', with hostmask 'bitstein!~bitstein@cpe-72-182-53-175.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'bitstein', with GPG key id 1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, key fingerprint 2CEA814804FCF14D9C1AE8EA1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, and bitcoin address None |
18:36 |
Pierre_Rochard |
;;ident thestringpuller |
18:36 |
gribble |
Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None |
18:36 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust Pierre_Rochard |
18:36 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Pierre@c-98-251-108-249.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014 |
18:36 |
Pierre_Rochard |
;;gettrust thestringpuller |
18:36 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user Pierre_Rochard to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Pierre_Rochard&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012 |
18:37 |
bitstein |
thestringpuller: I heard good things. |
18:37 |
BingoBoingo |
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2014/10/29/10568120.aspx |
18:37 |
assbot |
The contents of the Start page are not programmatically accessible - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs |
18:37 |
Pierre_Rochard |
;;rate thestringpuller 2 “lives in atl, didn’t scam me” |
18:37 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user thestringpuller has been recorded. |
18:38 |
BingoBoingo |
!up long-day |
18:38 |
BingoBoingo |
!up doomtoshi |
18:39 |
long-day |
ty Bingo |
18:39 |
thestringpuller |
;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 met in real life. can confirm is real person. |
18:39 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded. |
18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
dafuq is a real person. |
18:41 |
bounce |
a bezzler? like fiat money is supposedly "real" money? |
18:41 |
* |
bounce grapples with the concept |
18:42 |
long-day |
exactly - it's not which why I don't see how most can't see that it's great that bitcoin is giving the fiat $ competition |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
that didn't parse. |
18:44 |
thestringpuller |
!s punkbot |
18:44 |
assbot |
40 results for 'punkbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=punkbot |
18:44 |
Pierre_Rochard |
ben_vulpes: the opposite of gribble, not a bot. Generous on thestringpuller’s part, I’m probably somewhere in between a bot and a real person |
18:46 |
long-day |
this is ttnews by the way-- i'm a journalist and my wish is to learn this and to promote it on my news network/podcast/websites/facebook pages. I know this is the future and I've got quite a large reach so I know I can do a lot of good. I'm obviously desperate coming on here. And I take it trading margin on bitfinix is not suggested by you guys... and I didn't put all my eggs in one basket but I do learn from my mistakes and |
18:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17314 @ 0.00080149 = 13.877 BTC [-] |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
specifically what network ? |
18:47 |
ben_vulpes |
Pierre_Rochard: well by that token we're all "real people" |
18:47 |
ben_vulpes |
'cept mebbe long-lost right here as he ain't got a key to speak of. |
18:47 |
long-day |
I'm embarassed as it is which is why I'm anonymous right now. |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
real keypeople! |
18:48 |
ben_vulpes |
probably the best thing you could do is enter at this low point and then demonstrate the abilit to learn, long-day. |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
!s bitfinex |
18:48 |
assbot |
303 results for 'bitfinex' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitfinex |
18:48 |
bounce |
what's with the desperation? |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah ben_vulpes has it. there's excellent reason why i ask girls to camwhumiliate themselves. best starting point is utter shame. |
18:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00079669 = 5.4175 BTC [-] |
18:50 |
asciilifeform |
best starting point is utter shame << lol! how, then, to shame the already shamed? |
18:51 |
long-day |
some of the fb pages I manage are "end the fed" and "jesse ventura 2016" about a dozen more. My gf's reach is crazy (about 16-26 million people a week). Idk why I'm desperate.. maybe because my dad failed at the stock market and and I don't like him very much... |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform which is why they got a problem. shat all over their entry point. |
18:51 |
long-day |
because I wanna buy my mom a new roof for her house and take care of her. |
18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
that burning feeling of imitating thy fathers failures. |
18:51 |
bounce |
yay fibbing |
18:51 |
BingoBoingo |
long-day: The last serious market, MPEx, pulled out of BTC Options after the Putocolypse. |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google jesse ventura |
18:52 |
gribble |
Jesse Ventura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura>; Off The Grid - Ora.Tv: <http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid>; Jesse Ventura - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/user/VenturaOffGrid> |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
James George Janos (born July 15, 1951), better known by his stage name, Jesse Ventura, is an American politician, actor, author, naval veteran, and former professional wrestler who served as the 38th Governor of Minnesota from 1999 to 2003. |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O. the endless variety of us peoples, or how did that quote go. |
18:52 |
bounce |
the website is at peopleofwalmart.com |
18:53 |
long-day |
alright, I will be googling most of what you said word by word so I better understand what you mean. I appreciate it. |
18:53 |
bounce |
promises, promises. good thing the logs are patient. and usually there, too. |
18:53 |
BingoBoingo |
There's also a log of the logs if the logs go down |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
long-day how do you figure a facebook page has any reach, and how do you quantify it to 20mn people a week ? |
18:54 |
bounce |
it's the network effect, see? |
18:54 |
long-day |
my pages don't have that huge of a reach but my gf is cofounder of some big organizations and is admin on about 30 pages, half of which have about half a million subscribers each |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 15 * .5 |
18:55 |
gribble |
7.5 |
18:55 |
long-day |
my pages only have 50-70k people subscribed on each. |
18:55 |
punkman |
Useful GPG stuff: https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair |
18:55 |
assbot |
coruus/cooperpair · GitHub |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
course, facebook subscribers != people, and facebook subscribers != weekly. |
18:55 |
punkman |
also PSA: don't use keyids in contracts, go for fingerprint |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
gotta love modern spamatronic engineering terms like 'efficiency', 'reach.' they take arguments! but somehow always implicit - you can say 'reach' without saying 'reach what' ??! it's as if we were writing perl. |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman standard mpex practice too. |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"it's as if we were writing perl." << bwahhaha |
18:56 |
punkman |
good default for your gpg config https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/blob/master/saneprefs/gpg.conf |
18:56 |
assbot |
cooperpair/gpg.conf at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem is you russian folk can't say the woman had tea without specifying if she was sitting down and how hot was it! |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
and without saying, with what orifice she imbibed! |
18:57 |
long-day |
well... 20 million people reached a week just means 20 million people total scroll past her posts on her feeds - doesn't necessarily mean they all click on her posts :-/ but if the blog/video is good enough and she posts it, it will go viral |
18:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Shame I'll never see any of them since I ended Facebook. |
18:58 |
long-day |
I don't blame ya |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
long-day what's "go viral" mean ? |
18:58 |
ben_vulpes |
long-day: doesn't mean either that any of those posts make it into the feed. |
18:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Obola? |
18:58 |
ben_vulpes |
the feed is a facebook curated thing - not something anyone outside of their revenue extraction machine has any say in. |
18:59 |
long-day |
in our field (activism) viral is considered 100k people on a youtube video I suppose? If we were posting stuff about kittens it would get 2 million people. |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
aha. to burn like forest fire among barbarous primitives, and slowly worm into civilized world in onesie-twosie cases, to flare up one day in apocalyptic pandemic ? |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
or some other 'viral' |
18:59 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2YNERN7.txt ) |
18:59 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 2 |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
same idea here. word takes arguments - none given. |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
long-day 100k youtube views cost like 20 bux or so iirc. |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
at mr. spam's shop o'spambots? or using actual meat |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the former. |
19:00 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> long-day 100k youtube views cost like 20 bux or so iirc. << Basically this is the thing that pays for decent streaming tv |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
No, they actually seem to do the later. Insert video to be viewed before video people want to view. |
19:01 |
long-day |
actually there are ways to cheat the algorithims. every time you like your own post or a comment that someone made on your post or if you reply to a comment, it refreshes and shows up on all the subscribers feeds again (if they are on FB at that moment in time). She's made an ebook on how to get your posts seen and is gonna sell it in the next month (she's great at that crap) |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
long-day you have to meet the power of scripts. |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
ebook... sell << wat |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you don't understand how the world [of the morlocks] works. |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
lolmorcks. |
19:02 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
19:02 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 336.03, vol: 13187.80136019 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 332.193, vol: 6104.66616 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 335.37, vol: 25358.92116491 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 336.135832, vol: 78274.23490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 335.06565, vol: 8.87321215 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 341.226, vol: 65.37761087 | Volume-weighted last average: 335.773532844 |
19:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, BTC not crashing as much as retail gasoline. |
19:02 |
ben_vulpes |
morelols |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform here's a fun tidbit : idiot with synflood actually used a bunch of websites to do it. so after some scriptage i'm emailing the owners to fix their bs. i had to throtle it because .. too many replies. |
19:03 |
asciilifeform |
and, unrelated, whoever was asking about chain-fork alarm, that's still in the turd. the thing that was nixed was the gavintron. |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i could start a web security business just out of the fallout of that one failed ddos. |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
and this of course would be round 2, because wordpress before that, you recall. |
19:03 |
asciilifeform |
lol! replies from humans? |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
yup. |
19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i've not had so many apologies / minute in my life. |
19:04 |
bounce |
like this guy in -otc, set up a cheap shop full of "coders" in pakistan, had them churn out cookie-cutter "apps" with other people's content, dump on the app store, make five bucks each, sell a million before people catch on his 35k apps on the store are all crap. -- he's a real s/w house, yo. |
19:04 |
long-day |
all you do is post to the fanpage, wait 30 min, then like the post, wait 30 more min, like a comment (if someone has commented), 30 min later reply to their comment etc... paying 20 dollars for 100k youtube views is impossible. one of my youtube channels is partnered so it gets twice the adsense payout,. they pay 3-5 dollars per thousand views. 100k views on a video would make me about 400 dollars and 3 times that from the b |
19:04 |
bounce |
so, we gots us a real publisher on our hands, yo. |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce this sadly passes for "business" and "entrepreneurship" in a world populated by imbeciles running on fumes of "fairness" and "social justice" |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: set up a cheap shop full of "coders" in pakistan, had them churn out cookie-cutter "apps" with other people's content << lemme guess, lost out competition to the fellow with same stolen appz, but plus malware |
19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds about right. |
19:06 |
bounce |
nah, got kicked out. 'cuz what hot new shop fresh on the scene can possibly produce thousands of quality apps? |
19:06 |
asciilifeform |
!s cheaper books |
19:06 |
assbot |
4 results for 'cheaper books' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cheaper+books |
19:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#532023 |
19:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-02-2014 06:23:40; asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.' |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
well it is an inspiration |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
mocking you can account for endless hours of amusement |
19:07 |
bounce |
oh and too many complaints triggered it. but anyway. |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
mocking one idiot who shits his pants - sure. until they all shit and the world is buried. |
19:07 |
jurov |
long-day: you know there's a search for bitbet affiliate manager? |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
ah that's a point. jurov you also doing coinbr aff ? |
19:08 |
jurov |
yes coinbr does it too (there's nothing intereesting for chumps, tho) |
19:09 |
jurov |
!up long-day |
19:09 |
jurov |
oh and coinroll too on individual basis |
19:09 |
jurov |
since yesterday or so ;) |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. so there you go long-day, you can make a fortune affing for bitcoin sites. |
19:10 |
long-day |
I know basically nothing when it comes to this. I've been awake for more than 36 hours straight trying to learn though. And many hours over the last week on top of that. When it comes video editing, marketing, writing blogs, networking and getting access to good interviews I know my stuff... Bitcoin I know very little though. I want to know though. A year ago at Porcfest is when I learned about it. I've interviewed nearly ev |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
re: 'affing' - |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform affiliate-ing. |
19:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00079637 = 9.3175 BTC [-] {2} |
19:11 |
* |
asciilifeform when addressing colleagues, often prefixes useful tips with 'when we take up spam...' |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
you know how everywhere in the civilised world (so therefore, not in the US, excepot for vegas) shops employ young'uns to sit outside and invite people in ? |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
that, but online. |
19:11 |
* |
asciilifeform studied the life and times of spammers and related fauna professionally for a while |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
19:11 |
bounce |
;;translate german english affe |
19:11 |
gribble |
Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2. See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html. |
19:12 |
BingoBoingo |
long-day: Do you know danielpbarron |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo no lol, he's interviewed nearly everyone who pretends to be involved with btc without actually being involved :D it's how this usually works. |
19:12 |
long-day |
The activist community LOVES bitcoin bigtime... the two leading female promoters of bitcoin i'm friends with, but they don't know anything about trading. |
19:13 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I was going off of the porcfest name drop |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
long-day who ? |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
you gotta learn to be specific. |
19:13 |
long-day |
he's not very familiar |
19:14 |
long-day |
it's too small a world to start naming names. I'm certain there are people reading this who are friends with them |
19:15 |
bounce |
so get'em both in here and have'em introduce themselves |
19:15 |
jurov |
"you mentioned my name on bitcoin-assets! how dare you!!!!11" |
19:16 |
long-day |
well... all the stuff I told you guys are trade secrets and the fact that I'm doing horribly with the trading so far is just embarassing |
19:16 |
mats_cd03 |
lol |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
"it's too small a world to start naming names" << this made exactly zero chance. |
19:16 |
bounce |
so your trade secrets are horrible. what're you, a walking shop of horrors? |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
as a rule of thumb, if you keep doing this vague bs you'll end up on everyone's shitlist. |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i imagine you don't really want that, so, be specific, go into detail, that's how people evaluate you. |
19:17 |
long-day |
I kinda look like a dumbass right now, I'm aware of that and would rather contain it. |
19:17 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: have you spoken with chetty today? |
19:17 |
kakobrekla |
imma help you contain in |
19:17 |
bounce |
there's a easy fix for that. hit the sack. |
19:17 |
kakobrekla |
!down long-day |
19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller earlier. her net's shitty i gather. |
19:17 |
thestringpuller |
kk. i'll just later tell. thanks. |
19:18 |
nubbins` |
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_is_my_friend_and_jian_ghomeshi_beats_women/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow |
19:18 |
assbot |
“Jian Ghomeshi is my friend, and Jian Ghomeshi beats women” - Salon.com |
19:18 |
mats_cd03 |
did it ever come out how ulbricht got owned re: ID forgeries? |
19:19 |
BingoBoingo |
mats_cd03: To my knowledge it seems the entire ID forgery business is pretty much a USG monopoly |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
mostly run as a cheap way to find people who think they should be prosecuted. |
19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` can i has summary ? salon not rly worth a click |
19:21 |
nubbins` |
very popular canadian media personality beat the shit outta a bunch of women, his friend who happens to be a world-renowned composer wrote a frank essay on the subject, essay is now apparently a media item in itself |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
consensual or just off da street ? |
19:23 |
bounce |
I see mostly repeats about how three anonymous women got hit. nothing about context, intensity, duration, whatever. couldabeen a slap. so, I see mostly words that paint broad strokes at maximum contrast, with no grounding. |
19:24 |
mats_cd03 |
i am always confused when i read these things |
19:24 |
mats_cd03 |
people need to be specific. sexual assault, or sexual battery?! |
19:24 |
asciilifeform |
sexual embezzlement. |
19:24 |
asciilifeform |
sexual tax evasion... |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce that'd be salon. |
19:25 |
jurov |
lol what's that? fake orgasms? |
19:25 |
bounce |
this "nobody believes women!!1!" when the more important bit is that they're remaining anonymous (beyond the poor reader, to whom, exactly?). this annoys me. |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"nobody believes anonymous claims!!11" o noes lmao. |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"we told this one guy who we were!" |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"he's a judge, judges never lie". etc. |
19:26 |
bounce |
then there's this ``Katie McDonough is Salon's politics writer, focusing on gender, sexuality and reproductive justice.'' -- busily dressing up the thing with seemingly relevant and respectably looking numbers that really aren't meaningful to the problems in the piece. |
19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
wait wait. "reproductive justice" ? |
19:27 |
bounce |
"thou shalt not reproduce!" -- if only |
19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
"he's our junior high math teacher, focusing on c++ strings implementation" |
19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
very math. |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
katie mcdonough is salon's timewasting chatterbox. they need someone to actually do politics writing. |
19:28 |
bounce |
like socialist class warfare, only across gender lines |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
yaya. |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
across gender lines and against the wall of "nobody gives a shit" |
19:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.00079829 = 3.8805 BTC [+] |
19:29 |
bounce |
about as productive. seeing how labour ends up importing pathetic chumps from elsewhere to keep access to a large pool of repressed lowlifes to represent. |
19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
wait i thought it was the evil fatcat capitalists that keep importing cheap spooks to keep the local spooks down |
19:30 |
bounce |
that's the yoosah. in yurp it was labour gov'ts doing the importing, in the 70s and such. |
19:31 |
nubbins` |
<+mircea_popescu> consensual or just off da street ? <<< my understanding is that (some of) the women consented to a bit of kink, but then guy starts punching in head/mouth, choking to point of unconsciousness, etc |
19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
oh |
19:32 |
nubbins` |
another was a co-worker who got her ass grabbed and "i wanna hate-fuck you" whispered in ear during a meeting |
19:32 |
nubbins` |
etc |
19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
so guy kinda losing it, is the idea ? |
19:32 |
nubbins` |
but as for the sexual encounters, seems like they signed up for consensual kink but messy gomeshi took this as carte blanche |
19:32 |
nubbins` |
yeah |
19:32 |
nubbins` |
now he's suing the cbc for $50m (lel), hired a PR firm, etc etc |
19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
doing it like it's done. |
19:33 |
nubbins` |
more like "disguising outright abuse / sociopathic behaviour as BDSM/kink" than "losing it" i guess |
19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder if the fucktard "justice" warriors realise that their constant if innefectual nipping at the heels means that anyone involved who can afford it will in fact spend the money and clobber everyone in range. |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much the direct equivalent of the "tough on rape" laws that simply made sure every rape victim will ALSO be a homicide victim |
19:34 |
nubbins` |
well the lel is that he was in a union, he can't sue the cbc for $50m |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
great victory. |
19:34 |
nubbins` |
it'll get pushed to a union grievance |
19:34 |
nubbins` |
but it *does* allow him to file a bunch of paperwork and get his version of events on the public record |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
depends how the papers are writ. |
19:34 |
nubbins` |
so... shrug |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: made sure every rape victim will ALSO be a homicide victim << see also related, the (alleged) decision to quietly shoot '2nd snowden' instead of public scandal |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
not all management gets this "union only" sort of coverage. |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i guess, yeah. not clear what was there. |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 3rd snowden is then, logically, invited to 'go wasp' |
19:35 |
bounce |
who's the support? |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
'may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb' |
19:35 |
nubbins` |
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/28/jian_ghomeshi_cbc_releases_memo_citing_claim_of_impropriety.html |
19:36 |
assbot |
Jian Ghomeshi: CBC releases memo citing ‘claim of impropriety’ | Toronto Star |
19:36 |
nubbins` |
^ the star has been hitting it outta the park as far as canadian investigative journo goes these past couple years |
19:36 |
nubbins` |
you may recall they broke the rob ford crack tape story |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
<long-day> The activist community LOVES bitcoin bigtime... the two leading female promoters of bitcoin i'm friends with, but they don't know anything about trading. << and what does trading have to do with bitcoin? |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
heh and lemme guess |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoingirl |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoinbabe |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoinmom |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoinwife |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoinho |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcunt |
19:41 |
hanbot |
lol |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
bitbimbo |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
but not angiecast |
19:41 |
assbot |
Last 14 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11M9ANK.txt ) |
19:41 |
hanbot |
!b 14 |
19:42 |
nubbins` |
i think bitcoinwife is taken |
19:42 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah gotta mix in some truth with it |
19:42 |
ben_vulpes |
otherwise the phenom's just to clearly retarded to be even slightly amusing |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
'two gurlz, one coin' |
19:42 |
hanbot |
$400? definitely two. |
19:43 |
nubbins` |
2 girls 1 private key |
19:43 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1QR4WZK.txt ) |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
!b 1 |
19:43 |
ben_vulpes |
yup. |
19:43 |
ben_vulpes |
wd all. |
19:44 |
* |
ben_vulpes goes back to encrypting keys that google insists be shared |
19:44 |
asciilifeform |
when do we get the next irigaray and a very scholarly treatise on how ecdsa privileges some curves over others |
19:45 |
* |
asciilifeform can feel himself getting stupider just from thinking about this |
19:46 |
Pvt_Key |
if you feel a stupid you did not make that stupid. |
19:47 |
ben_vulpes |
<Pvt_Key> if you feel a stupid you did not make that stupid. << who is pranking me now |
19:47 |
ben_vulpes |
p great handle btw |
19:48 |
Pvt_Key |
you can be sgt Key |
19:48 |
ben_vulpes |
i think i'd rather be a general key |
19:48 |
ben_vulpes |
or skeleton_key |
19:48 |
asciilifeform |
corporal key. |
19:48 |
asciilifeform |
(double meaning intentional.) |
19:48 |
ben_vulpes |
yes yes. |
19:49 |
Pvt_Key |
/nick whiskey |
19:49 |
ben_vulpes |
quite. |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, jurov: do we have a mergemaster/maintainer? or am i still stuck with it |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
regardless of who, we need an unofficial snapshot on that www |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
(unofficial because the only official is the original - hashed - 0.5.3 with crunch of all the signed patches) |
19:56 |
nubbins` |
http://daniellebailey.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-the-ship |
19:56 |
assbot |
Live at the Ship | Danielle Bailey |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao Pvt_Key |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
dude, i walk away for a minute, everyone;'s on a roll lol |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://a-ztrainingcentre.org/ o.O |
20:00 |
assbot |
a-ztrainingcentre.org - / |
20:01 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: can you straighten the s3 bucket backing therealbitcoin.org out? |
20:01 |
ben_vulpes |
i'd almost rather stick it behind a webserver running on the same host as the mailman app. |
20:02 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i've pushed an update to the site, but the byzantine serving mechanism isn't providing it for some reason. |
20:03 |
ben_vulpes |
the site i want to serve has links to /charter.html, /v0.5.3-gd05c03a.tar.gz and other stuff |
20:03 |
asciilifeform |
'elephant garden' << see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0c_cUcgOEI |
20:03 |
assbot |
From Left to Right (Sleva Napravo) - YouTube |
20:04 |
ben_vulpes |
ah yeah that must be why i thought you'd like it. |
20:04 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways. |
20:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32645 @ 0.00079727 = 26.0269 BTC [-] {3} |
20:05 |
ben_vulpes |
hey asciilifeform do a sapper a favor and start emailing your patches to btc-dev@therealbitcoin.org |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: how to package them? |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: that is, attachment? |
20:06 |
ben_vulpes |
.tar.gz, including patch and detached sig. |
20:06 |
ben_vulpes |
same as we've been doing. |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
body of message? |
20:06 |
ben_vulpes |
is such necessary? |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
yes! |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
it should be a functioning mail list |
20:06 |
ben_vulpes |
a description of contents should suffice. |
20:07 |
asciilifeform |
we should be able to talk using it |
20:07 |
ben_vulpes |
at the moment it's not even relaying mail to me. |
20:07 |
asciilifeform |
useless then |
20:07 |
ben_vulpes |
hardly. |
20:08 |
ben_vulpes |
not as useful as it *will* be, granted. |
20:08 |
ben_vulpes |
but a vast improvement over your pooping patches into the noisestream here. |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
aha sure, but i still end up crapping out descriptions of patches here |
20:09 |
ben_vulpes |
yes, please do. |
20:09 |
ben_vulpes |
but this right here http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/thread.html constrains the filtering problem to something vastly more manageable. |
20:09 |
assbot |
The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by thread |
20:10 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: did you ever get message-as-attachment working? |
20:10 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html ?? |
20:10 |
asciilifeform |
that's a turd! |
20:11 |
asciilifeform |
the text should be visible in www browser |
20:11 |
asciilifeform |
if only for spamatronic search engine presence |
20:11 |
ben_vulpes |
woof turd indeed |
20:11 |
ben_vulpes |
stinky |
20:11 |
ben_vulpes |
<jurov> asciilifeform: mailman will display gpg clearsigned attachment inline if you rename it to .txt (and i don't ned to diddle code then) |
20:11 |
ben_vulpes |
have you tried that? |
20:11 |
asciilifeform |
about to |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
sent... |
20:13 |
ben_vulpes |
mailman thinking... |
20:13 |
ben_vulpes |
(stinking...) |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
that thing's running on what, a commodore64? |
20:14 |
ben_vulpes |
iPnohe |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
mMac |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
(non-electric) |
20:14 |
ben_vulpes |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/date.html#start |
20:14 |
assbot |
The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by date |
20:14 |
ben_vulpes |
still kinda stinky. |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/thread.html << not showing there, why not ? |
20:14 |
assbot |
The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by thread |
20:15 |
* |
ben_vulpes shrugs |
20:15 |
asciilifeform |
and what's with the '---next part' |
20:15 |
ben_vulpes |
seems escaped in the body as well |
20:15 |
ben_vulpes |
what, you want a custom mailman in 2 days? |
20:16 |
ben_vulpes |
we're not all wunderkind |
20:16 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
20:16 |
ben_vulpes |
so sil vous plait |
20:16 |
ben_vulpes |
actually |
20:16 |
ben_vulpes |
!s patch |
20:16 |
assbot |
354 results for 'patch' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=patch |
20:17 |
ben_vulpes |
!s *.patch |
20:17 |
assbot |
: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2A.patch |
20:17 |
ben_vulpes |
*sigh* |
20:18 |
ben_vulpes |
returning to my original point, please email the set of your patches and sigs to benkay@gmail.com, asciilifeform |
20:18 |
ben_vulpes |
(and anyone else interested in patching) |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
i'll wait for working turdatron. |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
hate doing things twice |
20:19 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm waiting on turdatron for merges, as well. |
20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
logs are great, but this shit will benefit strongly from a mailman list record of actions and discussions. |
20:20 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
so while i appreciate the slicing dicing and otherwise pureeing of warts... |
20:20 |
asciilifeform |
!s bitcoin-asciilifeform |
20:20 |
assbot |
0 results for 'bitcoin-asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoin-asciilifeform |
20:20 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
20:21 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah. |
20:21 |
ben_vulpes |
what's the rush, anyways? |
20:21 |
* |
asciilifeform secretly hopes that folks other than him will pick this thing up when turdatron is operational |
20:22 |
ben_vulpes |
if hopes were horses we'd all gallop to bsas. |
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20:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079151 = 3.2452 BTC [-] |
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21:01 |
undata |
http://altcoinpress.com/2014/10/bitcoin-foundation-we-dont-want-everyone-starting-a-bitcoin-business/ << war. |
21:01 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Foundation: We Don’t Want Everyone Starting a Bitcoin Business |
21:03 |
* |
asciilifeform will laugh when bitcoin foudation is richer than bitcoin phoundation |
21:03 |
punkman |
can someone run this deed through gpg --verify please http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/kLuzx7GD |
21:03 |
assbot |
Deed kLuzx7GD | #bitcoin-assets deed registry |
21:05 |
mats_cd03 |
interesting decision, keeping the name |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu's idea |
21:08 |
punkman |
ok so I'm pretty sure bot never validated signatures |
21:08 |
asciilifeform |
in other news... |
21:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/stasi-list.htm |
21:08 |
asciilifeform |
(how news? exercise for alert reader) |
21:10 |
undata |
asciilifeform: news that stasi found their way back into power? I'll bite. News... how? |
21:11 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: can you give that to me in raw format? i'm seeing ^M all over the place |
21:11 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: what, you don't have utf? |
21:12 |
ben_vulpes |
curl deedbutts > deebut.html |
21:12 |
ben_vulpes |
cat deedbut.html ... poopy |
21:12 |
punkman |
could try curl -s http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/kLuzx7GD | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?=</text)" | base64 -d > deed |
21:12 |
assbot |
Deed kLuzx7GD | #bitcoin-assets deed registry |
21:13 |
mats_cd03 |
stasi list? sounds like a good name for the courts circus project. |
21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
or bash emacs into submission |
21:14 |
punkman |
so apparently I need to download everyone's key to bot pubring |
21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
yes, yes you do. |
21:14 |
punkman |
perhaps obvious if not stupid |
21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
you should really grab fingerprints out of otc db and then import those keys. |
21:14 |
punkman |
I blame GPG library |
21:15 |
ben_vulpes |
how can you possibly verify a signature without the key?! |
21:15 |
punkman |
that's where the stupid kicked in |
21:16 |
ben_vulpes |
are you willing to share the source for deedbot? |
21:17 |
punkman |
yeah as soon as I rewrite this part |
21:17 |
ben_vulpes |
mkay. |
21:18 |
kakobrekla |
emm |
21:18 |
kakobrekla |
cam you gettrust by key ? |
21:19 |
kakobrekla |
can* |
21:19 |
kakobrekla |
assbot doesnt have any pub keys locally, just asks gribble |
21:19 |
kakobrekla |
by [ident nick] |
21:20 |
kakobrekla |
you can do same? |
21:20 |
punkman |
yeah but I gotta verify the deeds |
21:20 |
kakobrekla |
aha |
21:20 |
bounce |
compare and contrast ``Bitcoin Foundation: We Don3t Want Everyone Starting a Bitcoin Business'' with ``Open Letter to Bitcoin Businesses: Why I'm closing my accounts'' on the bitcoinfoundation.org forum |
21:21 |
undata |
bounce: read that earlier; that guy gets it. |
21:21 |
bounce |
he does, and it's where every single government to date is failing in their digitalistation efforts |
21:22 |
cazalla |
i bet this multisig shit turns into a customer service nightmare for coinbase |
21:24 |
ben_vulpes |
hee hee hee |
21:25 |
ben_vulpes |
on the topic of "no more bitcoin businesses" the bitcoin foundation is finally capitulating and following in MPEx's footsteps. |
21:25 |
ben_vulpes |
2(?) years later. |
21:29 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: fwiw, i get a bad sig out of that |
21:35 |
nubbins` |
i get btc address 12cKT5TpNzKMMD7gNAthMbtp1VaVQUebW1 out of it |
21:36 |
nubbins` |
i also get bad sig |
21:38 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: without the deed title i get a good sig |
21:38 |
nubbins` |
:o |
21:39 |
nubbins` |
like if you cut that line out? |
21:39 |
nubbins` |
oh, uh, so do i |
21:39 |
* |
nubbins` raises a third eyebrow |
21:40 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: how on earth do you get a btc addr out of it |
21:40 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes by running it through my deed verifier, natch |
21:41 |
* |
ben_vulpes makes faces |
21:41 |
ben_vulpes |
oh, i get it. |
21:41 |
ben_vulpes |
i've not gone so far. |
21:42 |
nubbins` |
anyway, the DEED_TITLE line was added after the sig was generated |
21:43 |
ben_vulpes |
heresy |
21:43 |
nubbins` |
it's not even heresy |
21:44 |
ben_vulpes |
making a thing that can't be dumped into gpg and produce a clean sig? |
21:44 |
ben_vulpes |
clean verification i mean |
21:45 |
nubbins` |
nope. not heresy, just nonsense :D |
21:48 |
nubbins` |
i am unable to verify two of the 5 processed deeds: 6LTeLfd6Scf1sgq9qmAYCT51oqoNmGP4k9uBp9oZtwR1 and kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawaZG9ndU7hfTd8CBHSTCCffSdzLA |
21:48 |
nubbins` |
the other three verify just fine |
21:49 |
nubbins` |
for the deed contained in 6LTeLfd6Scf1sgq9qmAYCT51oqoNmGP4k9uBp9oZtwR1 i generate a deed id of 6zUpQ65f28U8e8AHYJ1nL7tcLgNxamJg37LJCo3rxksq |
21:49 |
nubbins` |
for the deed contained in kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawaZG9ndU7hfTd8CBHSTCCffSdzLA i generate a deed id of AUJMybt23x4ddt8xUV1NVMj6M5fuQrqzdp1PrTZDTe5Q |
21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: logs are great, but this shit will benefit strongly from a mailman list record of actions and discussions. << word. |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation: We Dont Want Everyone Starting a Bitcoin Business << lmao these fucking idiots. |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"oh i know, let's go for double whammy! that'll teach us!" |
21:52 |
nubbins` |
punkman: the 4 pending deeds all verify as well |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: so apparently I need to download everyone's key to bot pubring <<< how else. |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: i am unable to verify two of the 5 processed deeds: <<< software never fails eh stan ? if it worked once it always works right ? :DF |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
SCAM! |
21:57 |
punkman |
nubbins`: problem with 6LTeLfd6Scf1sgq9qmAYCT51oqoNmGP4 is the escaped html in the <pre> you are grabbing |
21:57 |
nubbins` |
ah |
21:58 |
nubbins` |
gpg: BAD signature from "Hannah Wiggins (hanbot) <han.bot@gmail.com>" |
21:58 |
nubbins` |
yeah, lookit that |
22:00 |
nubbins` |
hmm... |
22:00 |
punkman |
here is python verifier http://dpaste.com/05YF5VH |
22:00 |
assbot |
dpaste: 05YF5VH |
22:01 |
ben_vulpes |
just put the repo into sunlight |
22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` www.printresgroup.com/ << here's a gem. |
22:02 |
nubbins` |
so |
22:02 |
nubbins` |
i apologize if this seems obtuse |
22:02 |
nubbins` |
i can't copy/paste the deeds because of line endings |
22:02 |
nubbins` |
and i can't fetch via curl because the website has escaped all the html chars inside the deeds |
22:02 |
nubbins` |
:S |
22:03 |
punkman |
you can get the raw bundle |
22:03 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman you know htmlizing chars is horribru practice. |
22:04 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: but it has html in deed |
22:04 |
nubbins` |
punkman where can i grab that? |
22:04 |
ben_vulpes |
woo |
22:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ugh |
22:04 |
nubbins` |
oh! nevermind |
22:04 |
mircea_popescu |
who the fuck makes html clearsigned things ;/ |
22:05 |
nubbins` |
http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/raw_bundles/17/171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG.rbundle |
22:05 |
punkman |
even if not actual html, html chars could break page, must be escaped |
22:05 |
nubbins` |
is the directory, e.g. /17/ always the first 2 chars of addr? |
22:05 |
punkman |
yes |
22:06 |
nubbins` |
hm |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
im pretty sure the idea is to sign the txt not the html |
22:06 |
nubbins` |
so to verify deed X, i need to first generate address Y from it, in order to grab the raw bundle |
22:06 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: i'm not seeing the part where you shell out to gpg in there |
22:06 |
* |
nubbins` scratches head |
22:06 |
nubbins` |
are the raw deeds published, or just the raw bundles? |
22:08 |
punkman |
http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/raw gives you base64, maybe I change it to actual raw and add /b64 |
22:09 |
punkman |
also http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/json |
22:09 |
nubbins` |
sweet, ty |
22:09 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/us-markets-sec-traders-idUSKBN0II0DC20141029 << what the fuck am i even reading |
22:09 |
assbot |
Studies find fast traders get data from SEC seconds early: WSJ| Reuters |
22:10 |
ben_vulpes |
edgar has been tuned to deliver to certain IPs before others? |
22:10 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: yeah just threw that together to check bundle key/address |
22:11 |
punkman |
gpg.recv_keys() is refusing to work :( |
22:11 |
ben_vulpes |
have people dump their keys in themselves |
22:12 |
ben_vulpes |
capture keyid, barf if they're not in l2 |
22:12 |
ben_vulpes |
then check again on deed submission and barf if they're still not in l2 |
22:12 |
* |
ben_vulpes must away |
22:20 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html << looks like at least one isnt anon nubbins` |
22:20 |
assbot |
Jian Ghomeshi: 8 women accuse former CBC host of violence, sexual abuse or harassment | Toronto Star |
22:21 |
bounce |
therefore she must be fake |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
well, there's this chaining suspicion. |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
remember all the fame-seeking ditzy bitches trying to claim assange raped them too ? |
22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
same deal with strauss-kahn, and with berlusconi, and generally, what's in a late claim. |
22:26 |
mats_cd03 |
maybe he orchestrated this himself so he could score 55mn CAD |
22:29 |
mats_cd03 |
like... whats his face... owner of the basketball team with a negress woman |
22:31 |
undata |
“Big Ears Teddy shouldn’t see this.” << oh man, my sides |
22:34 |
xiando |
I live in .se where two women claimed assange "raped" them, one of them said "yes we had sex and I did that of my own free will but he said he used a condom but didn't so it was rape" |
22:37 |
undata |
xiando: I read that in the Assange case, the women didn't even want to press the case, but the prosecutor kept at it anyway. |
22:38 |
undata |
Sweden sounds like a socialist hellhole nanny state. |
22:38 |
nubbins` |
mats_cd03 oh wow |
22:39 |
nubbins` |
she was in Trailer Park Boys |
22:39 |
thestringpuller |
nubbins` would know trailer park boys |
22:39 |
thestringpuller |
canadians lol |
22:39 |
undata |
love that show. |
22:39 |
thestringpuller |
i'm fucked in the head |
22:40 |
thestringpuller |
I dunno who has better shit-isms, asciilifeform or Leahy |
22:40 |
nubbins` |
heh |
22:40 |
undata |
http://lisp.shithouse.tv/ |
22:40 |
assbot |
lisp |
22:40 |
nubbins` |
you guys watch the new season? |
22:40 |
xiando |
undata: and the original procecutor refused to take the case but a totally corrupt and known criminal feminist procutor named "Marianne Ny" insisted on taking up the case |
22:41 |
dub |
lets not forget those two women worked for the CIA |
22:41 |
* |
asciilifeform forgot for a minute that deedbot and turdatron are separate mechanisms, had a bit of mindfuck |
22:42 |
undata |
dub: he was stupid to trust them |
22:42 |
undata |
I'll say that |
22:42 |
undata |
he should've known intellgence agencies would be after him. |
22:44 |
undata |
sorry guys, the war was going great, then the other side sent pussy. |
22:44 |
Duffer1 |
cia? |
22:45 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/multisig-vault-by-coinbase/ |
22:45 |
assbot |
Multisig Vault By Coinbase | Qntra.net |
22:45 |
cazalla |
coblee herp derp store your bitcoin with coinbase cause you face the same risk from hackers doing it yourself anyway |
22:46 |
undata |
cazalla: do I recall correctly that they're using one of two? |
22:46 |
undata |
or is it two of two |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
<undata> Sweden sounds like a socialist hellhole nanny state. << that's because it is. |
22:47 |
undata |
<- derp |
22:47 |
* |
undata reads article |
22:47 |
undata |
right, the third is some passphrase encrypted key |
22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
<dub> lets not forget those two women worked for the CIA << srsly, this works ? |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
northern caliphate is one hell of a loltron. |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
did they ever find the imaginary sub? |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
'Подводная лодка / В степях Украины / Погибла в неравном / Воздушном бою.' |
22:50 |
nubbins` |
node.js deed verifier, now without pesky curl script |
22:50 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/Nq6kCtpe |
22:50 |
assbot |
[JavaScript] checkdeed.js - Pastebin.com |
22:52 |
cazalla |
undata, 2 or 3 or 3 of 5 |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` cool! |
22:56 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HQHZY0.txt ) |
22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 5 |
22:56 |
nubbins` |
takes full or partial (min 8 chars) deed id as argument |
22:58 |
thestringpuller |
.deed |
22:58 |
nubbins` |
sample run: http://pastebin.com/n15mWWrv |
22:58 |
assbot |
[Bash] macbook:btcjs nubs$ node checkdeed.js 6LTeLfd6 URL: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets - Pastebin.com |
22:59 |
xiando |
undata: Name 1 other country where the Police can legally stop you for no reason (other than that you went outside) and take a blood sample by force |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
splendeed |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
xiando mongolia. |
22:59 |
xiando |
So Sweden isn't the only one? Interesting |
23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
well the mongolian police will use their fists, but anyway :D |
23:01 |
nubbins` |
hi |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
and now a word from a favourite lolmeister: |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-is.html |
23:30 |
assbot |
ClubOrlov: Putin to Western elites: Play-time is over |
23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform does he read here ? |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
not afaik |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
he, last i saw, was of the 'you fools and your electrical toys, doomed to die so soon' school of thought |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't keep him from cranking out his lulz |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
but what'd i know. |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
(he does occasionally answer mail though) |
23:42 |
mircea_popescu |
the "what utility is the sun to us" line seems cribbed. |
23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
(nttawwt) |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, not one word of this in u.s. papers. |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
(thus far) |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
you recall that older observation re time covers ? |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
they're pretty awful at reporting anything of substance. |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
funnily, even here people know if it. |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
*of it |
23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
sorta like mcdonalds is awful at cooking |
23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
also, this is by no means the first or the most mommentuous "?speaking directly to the public" |
23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
guy did that over syria, and it paid. |
23:48 |
* |
asciilifeform knows this |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia's decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia. << this is false incidentally. |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
we are making it, right here, and it specifically excludes "russia" in the sense of "putin" |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
not that the old kings could visit even if they really wanted. |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
a bit of a throne-ending move |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
sure they could |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
what's to stop em ? |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
the old could-vs-would |
23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed |
23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, orlov's putin reads like mp. which i guess is a good thing for all those involved. |
23:53 |
* |
asciilifeform looks forward to the possibility of the coprophagiac zoos of western eu waking up to the fact that what turned them into such was - nato. |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
'airstrip one.' |
23:57 |
* |
asciilifeform will however believe the noises of 'there cannot be just one great kingdom' when mr. p starts impaling anyone caught with winblows |
23:58 |
asciilifeform |
whatever kind of winblopocalypse it would take to make this statement seem perfectly reasonable to the most thoroughly retarded 'old king' - will likely happen reasonably soon. |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
the really sad and avoidable aspect would be if it were to leave the most deeply retarded old king with a fat stash of plundered btc. |