#trilema | 2014-02-26

BingoBoingo: not sure if 'informative' is the word, but educational, perhaps.

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cads

Oh, all processes have natural filtrations.

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Well, one thing I remember vividly from undergrad is that the nepali students were some of the chillest people on campus, but woe unto the football player who took a fancy to a Nepali girl and was then introduced to a cricket bat.

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0058 = 0.435 BTC [+]

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;;rate MagicalTux -10 pathetic Judas Goat.

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.

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since i was digging records :

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2013&bots=true#93021

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#bitcoin-assets log

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"Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all business operations pending a business model review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume operations in the future."

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guess the venue.

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Vircurex

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Vircurex used AurumExchange for USD and EU deposits

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was aurum but hey.

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Well, AurumExchange was one of those liberty reserve outposts.

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Bitpay was willing to pay into them so they at least had a bong

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1169 @ 0.00573669 = 6.7062 BTC [-] {8}

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any of you get burned on your shorts yesterday?

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KRS1: I'm looking at you :p

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2500 @ 0.00084022 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {8}

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'Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all breathing pending an atmospheric gas review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume breathing in the future.'

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StercumExchange (tm)

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seems reasonable, it is a nuisance

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like bathing and food

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.d

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3.130 billion | Next Diff in 429 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.9917% in 2d 8h 50m 18s

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Everything is a nuisance nao.

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00584348 = 2.0744 BTC [+] {3}

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BingoBoingo: what you up to?

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MisterE: Enjoying sweet Gox death and hoping for Slashot victory

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heh I guess that makes 2 of us

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and update on the /. front?

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MisterE: I have this package of patented dense -assets knowledge sitting on orage and waiting http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087927 = 13.8045 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2808 @ 0.0008788 = 2.4677 BTC [-]

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http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/

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A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U

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if anyone sees anything missing...

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00087803 = 5.5246 BTC [-]

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cads im not even sure.

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perhaps brigher minds could advise.

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.00088929 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005879 = 0.294 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008891 = 0.1778 BTC [-]

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mircea_popescu: Seems thorough.

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[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [+]

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actually got eulora compiled! but forgot to install a ton of required crystalspace libraries... so didn't get much other than a white screen with "welcome to eulora 0.0.4"

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but... progress

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nubbins` wd!

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i hear wiki too ?

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The april 2013 trilema article on GOx is about to make slashdot frontpage.

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cool

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yeah mike_c is sorting out hosting, i've got a saucy domain name reg'd

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I mean unless @magicaltux does the manual sorting

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0047 = 0.1598 BTC [+]

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asciilifeform re your video : it made me think of this caragiale piece (playwright, 1800s) : http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/momente_si_schite/intelectualii.html

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" Sunt chelneri cari, dupa cat au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede."

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Howdy y'all

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"there are waiters who, from all they've heard from conversations and debates of intellectuals, could put away a university professor, especially should they proceed quickly"

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6675 @ 0.00087803 = 5.8609 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1673 @ 0.00018499 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {3}

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mart specifically refers to the loss in backgammon when you lose without having taken out any of your own pieces.

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bitcoinpete heya

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https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/438521842358177793 happened

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Twitter / bobmcmillan: "Having Mt. Gox shut down is ...

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Been a few, but I've been up on the logs

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And I did that blog thing again

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Perhaps also for noobs

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Oh, link again?

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http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/

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Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete

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Hardly revelatory, but it's a reassessment of sorts of my previous notion that one should ever try to make "bitcoin more accessible"

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Which was a strange mental default I had to correct

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It is an important step forward though

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mircea_popescu: this probably wasn't the purpose of 'compendium of basic points...,' but now i'm marvelling over the ancient forum garbage

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did some chump really build a whatever-the-fuck with a set of leaked sources?

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asciilifeform: Can they build any other way?

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and if so, why weren't the obligatory logic bombs set off

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asciilifeform: Not advantageous enough yet?

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(or, are we to think that scammers write honest code)

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asciilifeform yes.

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and did all of this shit really go down, or was it a dream.

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bitfinex (the thing which now is misreported as > 30% of the bitcoin average usd price)

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is built out of taking the leaked bitcoinica sources and running them

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they were (illegally) leaked by amir taaki, who in he process exposed sensitive passwords

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which resulted in the 3rd theft from there

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lol!

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and in no case was he authorised to "make open source" the codebase

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The mysterious antiques dealer

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which is currently the only asset some new zealand executor has to try and repay the creditors

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to the tune of i forged, but 10's of k's of btc

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(mtgox also had some funds held "in escrow" from that debacle,

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which it had been consistently refused to turn out to said executor)

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for the obvious reasons.

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At least New Zealand tries to earn the money back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcIKh6sBtc

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perhaps these folks belong in a large glass jar. where they are to feed upon one another, and the last one remaining to be extracted and will perhaps be good for something.

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I dunno that I'd have made it out of a decent glass jar. I mean I initially came here from Bitcointalk

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not everyone into the jar. just them.

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asciilifeform the reason i always encourage people to read the history is quite this : endlessly fascinatingly amusing thing.

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like a perpetual morning after. "did what ?!"

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going to bubble tea, yup, bubble tea… be back

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bubble tea

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balls in your mouth

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never figured that tone out

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So many mistakes I could have made, but so much more money I could have had even losing to those mistakes

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remember "orbits"?

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The problem is a need for time machines

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mircea_popescu: fascinating, to a point. children playing with detcord.

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lmao

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Detcord isn't that bad

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asciilifeform precisely.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087922 = 8.6164 BTC [+]

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was the cribbed source even interesting in some way?

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or just the usual 'work is too much like work, let's crib it all'

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"hey, why reinvent the wheel?"

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(this tale has me in an especially dour mood, given that not long ago i sent a once-promising client packing because he brought in a mountain of artlessly cribbed open source code.)

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I am the wheel, you seriously don't want to deal with me. You need to reinvent me.

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http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/#footnote_0_52959 << added that which i regret i forgot on the first pass

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A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U

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i am sloppy ;/.

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asciilifeform the cribbed source was interesting, yes, in the way of humor.

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what is cribbed in American?

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have you read the leaked discussions about the historical operation of bitcoinica ?

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nope

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it;s linked from the recent mtgox article, because it's the same pattern

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self trading at a loss.

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mircea_popescu: self trading at a loss << arse-mouth system.

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thermodynamically doomed

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But Bitcoinica had relic hunterz!!!!

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myeah.

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BingoBoingo ironically... relics ? scavenger world ? thermodynamically doomed ?

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this, incidentally, is the core and the whole of nsa's value proposition : people sign, subtly, but definitely, what they do.

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MisterE: baseball

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mircea_popescu: indeed

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088029 = 11.7959 BTC [+] {2}

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course in a sense nsa as it is stands in a relation to nsa-as-thus-described about roughly as that merry bunch of Meriwether's thieves stood with THEIR sensible value proposition

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nubbins`: Any sporting analogy is best as a baseball analogy, the greatest precision is there. Even if the metric is love of the cunts

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as explained in http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ : "LTCM collected over one billion dollars in capital. If youve been following up to here you probably have a question in your mind : what in the world were they going to do with a billion of their own money ? Good question. The fund had access to heavy leverage, as high as 100:1 in many cases. One billion leveraged 100:1 means one hundred billio

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n, and turn it any way you please theres not going to be room for deplyoing a hundred billion in capital for the purpose of arbitraging minute differences between the 29 y T and the current T. There just cant be.

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So they started dicking around with stock options, betting on mergers, the works. "

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basically, they had a good idea, got too much resources, fucked up.

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channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'

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This is wy I bet on sporting events, I know I can lose.

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puppies.txt

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;;later tell bitcoinpete you should get into the wot and remind me to put you in the bloglist sometime.

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The operation succeeded.

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;;later tell chatquack I put you in the WOT start blogging already

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The operation succeeded.

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crystal space is a massive build

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chetty

yeah CS is huge

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it's been working out.

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nubbins`: I am starting this baseball betting venture with one hundredth of a bitcoin. Remember that I can not help it if appreciation makes the logistics you dislike a reality.

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Jere_Jones

I found building CS to be the easy part.

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BingoBoingo, i'm pretty zen about most things

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http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/

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BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014

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so that's a lock now.

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Jere_Jones: easy, just takes so long

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I wonder if Zhou tong ever itches?

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mircea_popescu: And the weighting is the best part

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BingoBoingo well it's closed by now anyway

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The right answer is obvious, but betting agaisnt it can't pay

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thank fuck for macports, i wouldn't have gotten anywhere with apple's fork of LLVM

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nubbins` you ever found the problem or just nonspecific kludge ?

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never nailed it down, was easier to just install gcc-4.6 and use that

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no sense trying to bring a totally different toolchain into the mix

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not surprising.

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http://www.voxeu.org/article/german-court-decision-legal-authority-and-deep-power-implications

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German Court decision: Legal authority and deep power implications | vox

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germanz just ruled ecb may not act as lender of last resort.

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"Its tempting to dismiss the decision as incomprehensible legalese or the inability of justices to understand that contemporary financial systems rely on a powerful lender or dealer of last resort to weather financial crises."

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derp.

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" this is a bid for power and the return to the pre-crisis paradigm of "

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derp.

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basically the consensus of idiots in fiat is that somehow magically the laws of nature have been cancelled for the sake of convenience.

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GO GO GADGET BITCOINSACHS

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chetty

idiots think man can overrule nature with their 'laws'

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go go bait

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.bait

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http://25.media.tumblr.com/1dbdf72d9ae5a578dbcf945e2bc4cd94/tumblr_mg2axxCOYL1r3bnmvo1_1280.jpg

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Depends on which laws and the context

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On that last .bait I see tits, but there is also a screaming cyst that needs lanced and dranied

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"Founder @dailymuse, YC alum, Inc 15 Women to Watch in Tech 2012, Advisor @hackbright, Productivity expert, Parisian, Former McKinsey, avid cyclist"

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i wonder what the thought process is when some chick ends up putting on her 2 line resume "i was a X to watch in 2102"

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doesn't the observation that "soo... if i had been watching you since 2012 i'd have seen nothing ?" come to them at all ?

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are these people actually dumb ?

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but i mean if you have two alcoholic bums sitting on a garbage dumpster somewhere

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one who is nothing

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and the other who is an alumni of "15 aluminum salesmen to watch in 2012"

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wouldn't you say the 2nd is much worse a failure ?

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heh

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BingoBoingo where's the cyst ?

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armpit? i think that's not a cyst

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that's fat imo

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Left armpit, the purple prominence

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certainly not screaming

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she's losing weight

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its colored cause shaved irritation

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i had a massive cyst on my back once

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mircea_popescu: ime most people are dumb until proven otherwise

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happens nubbins` thats not a bad lace

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place

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when it finally got drained there was like a shot glass full of stuff pulled out of it

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Maybe irritation, but definitely inflamed more than the prominence of the humerous calls for

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try in your groin or neck

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BingoBoingo: what's up I was a paramedic for 3-years

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in the US

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https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438539797205118976 << BingoBoingo check it out

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Twitter / CharlieShrem: Just created a #dogecoin wallet ...

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lots and lots of further opportunities for maturity

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nubbins`: that's nothing, when I had to do my prctical training hours I helped to drain a lot of cysts and some produce by the liter

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I dun want to fight credentials, but it look's like there are already two candidate sinuses

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gross

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such a smell, too

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that shit attracts ticks

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it was indeed

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man you have no idea the smells of the human body

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00087874 = 34.183 BTC [-] {4}

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one of the worst run was a girl who accidentally blew half her boyfriend's head off with a .44 at a shooting range, was totally prepared for smell

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those 44s have a very soft pul

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l

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speaking of smells of the human body, one of my roommates took a shit this morning and left a streak on the toilet seat

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bastard

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i know

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44's always have a soft pull

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told him about it

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you should leave a streak on his pillow

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he says "i don't think so... but i'll clean it when i get home from work"

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ok thats reasonable

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as if we'd just leave it there for 10 hours

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nubbins` how many roomates you got ?!

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he doesn't sound like a total jerk

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mircea_popescu, wife and 2 others

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wow

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they're rarely home. haven't seen one of them in 3 weeks

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lol I like how he incudes the wife

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nubbins` so you live with silk road funder ?

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as if shecould be out for not paying rent :D

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mircea_popescu: silk road 3.11 for workgroups

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i think that's what it's at now?

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something like that ya

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MisterE: hey, she owns all the bitcoins

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i might be the one out when they hit 5k ;D

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hehe

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trade up!

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I honestly want to take bets on what would culture out of that cyst

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we'll never know

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what a loss to science and society

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shame

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I'd put some money on pseumonanas

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pseudomonas ?

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mircea_popescu: It is a long shot, but it fits the armpit environment well as a genus

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speaking of which : pseudomonas putida is the first living thing that was "patented" according to the us courts.

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lulziest shit ever.

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Stupid Harvard MBA is stupid

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087993 = 5.3676 BTC [+]

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sorry w/c

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may the patenteers all find themselves impaled on golden spikes

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I was kind of hoping someone would catch that

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this thing is valuable because it can break down pretty much anything

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it can live off caffeine. it can break down polystyrene

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Much scarier than VRE for sure

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generaly pseudomonas sp is a good bet for BingoBoingo's purposes cause they're pretty metabolically diverse.

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mircea_popescu: indeed any culture platter they can own enough to make their genetic markers known.

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mircea_popescu: i'm to see you for a login account?

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http://imgur.com/bGBRONP

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imgur: the simple image sharer

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^ it worked :D

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mircea_popescu will do, ty

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it picks up mouse clicks but not keyboard input -- but it's very late and i think i've earned a nap, will poke some more tomorrow

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pseudomonas does indeed lead to some nasty opportunistic infections though

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Of the sort where painting on Staph Aureus and hoping for the best seems like a sheat from heaven.

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Do any of the -asseters live in Brussels or London by chance? I'm heading to Brussels tomorrow and London by the weekend. Have some free time

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So... Maybe I should have tried for sunday night again on this. Slash mods are swfully flaky. http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise

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;;ident [<bitcoinpete>]

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Error: "<bitcoinpete>" is not a valid command.

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;;ident bitcoinpete

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Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.

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for php registration is the "pgp long id" the fingerprint, key id, or something else…?

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pgp* goodness

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;;eauth / ;;everify

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is that what you're asking?

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ya

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;;puppies.txt

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Error: "puppies.txt" is not a valid command.

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;;register too

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(register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

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oh

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;;register bitcoinpete165749929F9A6BDD

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(register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

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;;register bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD

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Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:18734ee36446b6cc0398dc32a80c3bb1d3217aad8b2666f6ab017248

02:20

So.. Guess wht I found out this weekend.

02:21

what did you find out this weekend BingoBoingo?

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Duffer1: During one of my grad school stints I lived in the super mega ghetto http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/local/columbia-firefighter-dies-working-at-scene-of-walkway-collapse/article_fc7f1992-9bca-11e3-9d9e-0017a43b2370.html

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I knew my apartment was shitty, but not like kill experts in shitty apartments kind of shitty

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ya wow

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Kind of makes me regret not taking the plaster off of the walls

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Also, I used to like to park in those spots

02:26

reading about Counterparty atm

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Cool, better not be that shitty faux coin version

02:28

the caliber of the assets assimilated blogs is impressive

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it would be nice to see it mentioned in #bitcoin-assets Topic

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assass is decent blog

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what's going on with havelock

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assass?

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http://assass.headfucking.net/

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Assets Assimilated

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bit14: No idea Maybe they are dying too?

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I await my ban on bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg5379874#msg5379874

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ty

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22536 @ 0.00087782 = 19.7826 BTC [-] {2}

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;;eregister bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD

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Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD

02:39

5th a cxharm huh

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yeah assass in topic can't hurt anything.

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;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:97d9f908fe5dc08ba4be74efe1b4430c5e68d071e34fbed3e1771a9d

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Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD

02:44

I still reload slashdot compulsively for the money

02:46

http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-98222

02:46

People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:47

I still have trouble believing I lived in the shithole next to this http://www.kshb.com/news/state/missouri/mizzou-investigating-cause-of-roof-walkway-collapse-at-apartment-building

02:48

the sex any good at least ?

02:48

The sex was great

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087911 = 13.5383 BTC [+] {3}

02:49

i TA's for pharmacy school so undergrads were in bounds, other grad students were inbounds.

02:49

Just couldn't do the pharm students.

02:50

well that's why people live in shitholes.

02:50

the sex is great.

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Which is kind of a shame cause this Jessie chick had great tits

02:50

OH, it was such a shithole, but not being from missouti made the sex so easy

02:53

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8w0x8uPW11ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

02:54

;;gettrust bitcoinpete

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Currently authenticated from hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Trust relationship from user bitcoinpete to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bitcoinpete&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never

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wd.

02:54

If that were a pharm student not quite one I'd get fired over, but still one I'd offer salt to to melt their ice

02:55

bit14 what do you mean ?

02:55

ty. only took 30 min lol

02:56

mircea_popescu: doar ca e picat https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ :)

02:58

bit14: Gospidine?

02:58

->just that it's down

03:00

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2014/02/25/mt-gox-ceo-says-on-internet-chat-hasnt-given-up/

03:00

you know, just like every scammer to date.

03:00

bit14 lol se mai intimpla gen

03:00

have you seen the log

03:00

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682

03:00

My Conversation with Mark Karpeles of MtGox - Page 2 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Int

03:01

soo nubs got eulora to compile on a mac.

03:03

off to brussels in the morning. cheers for now

03:09

i thought moiety was in london

03:12

mircea_popescu: I thought moiety was in Glasgow

03:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00088123 = 18.594 BTC [+] {3}

~ 16 minutes ~

03:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00087825 = 24.7667 BTC [-] {2}

03:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087764 = 8.2498 BTC [-]

03:47

Slashdot still seems to possess doubts, WHy? I dunno http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise

03:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008852 = 2.4786 BTC [+]

04:03

Imma sleep soon

04:03

Slashdot has denied me for hours, but they cannot do so indefinitely

04:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00088277 = 4.0607 BTC [-]

04:16

havelock has been down for over 6 hours now, does this happen often?

04:17

I assume they didn't run and it's early AM in canada, but still

04:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00088406 = 12.8189 BTC [+]

04:33

shrem seems to think that leaked document is legit

04:37

didn't shrem also think that gox was fundamentally sound and not insolvent?

04:40

i think that was prior to that document leaking, latest episode of lets talk bitcoin has shrem on it, interesting listen

~ 16 minutes ~

04:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00088277 = 9.2691 BTC [-]

05:03

Havelock isn't in Canada

05:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00088356 = 1.9438 BTC [+]

05:04

where is it?

05:05

lol

05:05

that havellock database

05:05

"Database seems down. Sorry about that. We've been notified about the problem. Please try again later.

05:05

bit14: Panama afaik

05:06

hmm

05:10

they're called the Panama fund I think, but I thought they were canadian

05:11

I might be wrong

05:12

they were based in canada during the acquisition, no idea if the principles/office/servers have moved though

05:12

https://web.archive.org/web/20140214223804/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/contact.php

05:12

Address:

05:12

The Panama Fund, S.A

05:12

Panama City

05:12

Republic of Panama

05:13

company could be registered there, but staff might be elsewhere

05:14

odd timing for server issues, i wonder if they held reserves at gox

05:14

it's 5am in panama, so maybe they're just asleep, crossing fingers

05:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6724 @ 0.00088327 = 5.9391 BTC [-] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

05:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6152 @ 0.00088186 = 5.4252 BTC [-]

~ 23 minutes ~

05:55

The old owner, Topace, was Canadian I think. Now it moved. Where the staff is located, I do not know.

06:02

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=859

06:02

View the profile of lightbox

06:03

looks like this guy was/is the owner

06:09

yeah, he was. Known as Topace in IRC

06:11

http://www.news.com.au/world/tin-cans-filled-with-10-million-in-gold-coins-found-buried-in-california/story-fndir2ev-1226837801851

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10776 @ 0.00088192 = 9.5036 BTC [+]

~ 21 minutes ~

06:33

Mats_cd03

06:33

Tin cans filled with $10 million in gold coins found buried in California |

~ 16 minutes ~

06:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11726 @ 0.0008852 = 10.3799 BTC [+]

~ 32 minutes ~

07:22

http://boingboing.net/2014/02/25/choosing-a-secure-password.html schneier misses xkcd's point entirely

07:22

Choosing a Secure Password - Boing Boing

07:23

if i had doubts he's nsa shill, now i have none

07:28

"A typical password consists of a root plus an appendage." <<< bwhahaha

07:30

"http://boingboing.net/2014/02/25/choosing-a-secure-password.html schneier misses xkcd's point entirely" <<< yep, someone should teach him about entropy

~ 20 minutes ~

07:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0008835 = 9.3651 BTC [-]

07:56

omg boingboing.net hurts my eyes, it also doesn't show any text on my android tablet

07:56

(the yellow text black bg page)

07:59

I have a mix of letters, numbers and special chars. Strangely enough, I don't seem to have a problem remembering most of them.

08:00

i don't know my passwords and trust keepass

08:04

i dont share hints to my password methods

08:06

Saying your password is a random mix of characters doesn't help much. So it's not really a hint.

08:07

You remove non-random stuff. You have less than 0.1% of possibilities eliminated. Congratulations. Still requires bruteforcing it.

08:13

https://www.mtgox.com/

08:13

MtGox.com loading

08:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00088467 = 7.1658 BTC [+] {2}

~ 17 minutes ~

08:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088514 = 5.9304 BTC [+]

08:33

wtf LTC went over 40 today?

08:33

http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcusd

08:35

huh?

08:36

ah

08:36

nvm

08:36

So many people think MtGox is Bitcoin.

08:36

https://blockchain.info/tx/e6d4cfbbc45b5e3cfcfa36613b04a8732c7b4606f5dbbd8af3ba06d8f3899fc2

08:36

Bitcoin Transaction e6d4cfbbc45b5e3cfcfa36613b04a8732c7b4606f5dbbd8af3ba06d8f3899fc2

08:36

just imagine if blockchain.info goes down

08:37

the blockchain is down!1234

08:37

luckily there is www.blockr.io now

08:37

ya saw that earlier

08:37

nice lookin site

08:40

dexX7: what are these vanity adress, I thought we can choose only few characters

08:44

you don't need the privkey, simply send it to whateveraddress+checksum

08:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00088224 = 39.6126 BTC [-] {4}

08:47

so, i used my idignation as fuel: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail

08:49

dexX7: so it will create the public key?

08:50

what "it"?

08:51

try to think of making a phonecall to a number that is not in use.. will work, right? even if you dial funny numbers?

08:58

"it" is the transaction

08:58

a phone number that is not in use will not even ring

08:58

right?

09:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00088331 = 13.7355 BTC [+]

09:12

looks like havelock is finally back up

09:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00088502 = 19.9572 BTC [+] {5}

09:20

HI

09:22

"Pretty much anything that can be remembered can be cracked." From Schneier piece.

09:23

yeah 24h we heard things about password ! thx

09:23

wtf are you on about, adrrrr ?

09:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWkY5yIAnc&feature=youtu.be

09:27

MtGox Saga Continues - Update 25 Feb 2014 - YouTube

09:27

voila !

09:27

;)

09:28

yeah 24h we heard things about mtgox ! thx

09:29

lol

09:29

deadweasel: Duuuhhh

09:30

you should watch it instead of mocking ;)

09:30

i don't even know what I just, I was just mirroring you.

09:30

missing word: said*

09:30

*

deadweasel mocks first, watches later

09:32

http://i.imgur.com/PHgbXXc.gif

09:32

SFW?

09:32

ya

09:32

powered off kitten

09:32

lol

09:32

pretty SFW

09:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26098 @ 0.00088294 = 23.043 BTC [-] {2}

09:33

since when do you work anyway

09:33

All the fucking time

09:34

well no i don't mean work in the sense of doing something useful

09:35

i mean work in the sense of being in a constrained space with a bunch of idiots where you gotta watch what's on your screen

09:35

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/first-contagious-wifi-computer-virus-goes-airborne-spreads-like-the-common-cold/

ie, the exactly opposite of doing something useful.

09:36

chetty

09:36

First contagious WiFi computer virus goes airborne | The Daily Caller

09:37

uh why'd a virus be specifically wifi

09:37

I thought there was that virus that spreads via the speaker (or was that BS).

09:38

the one that could jump airgapped systems?

09:38

that was bs

09:38

Bugpowder that was bs.

09:38

darn beat to it

09:39

It made no cents.

09:41

I am really impressed with the level of optimism people are expressing towards Gox reopening. IMPRESSED. I hear there are 3 suitors vying for the right to purchase Mt. Gox's brand and 650,000 BTC debt.

09:41

yaya

09:41

take it as a measure of just how badly hurt the foundation scamnest is by this defeat in the field

09:41

rather than any direct statement of the future.

09:42

HOPE

09:42

no, it's not hope, it's disbelief.

09:42

they rheally thought they're somebody worth something.

09:42

Someone needs to shop a Karp / HOPE poster

09:42

and i guess still do.

09:42

more apt would be a vessenes hope poster really.

09:43

hopefully his head is next. now that's hope.

09:43

you know why i hate vessenes

09:43

i didn't know you did.

09:43

well i do but for different reasons that you

09:44

CoinLab was more mismanaged than Gox, they just died earlier so they couldn't cause as big a monetary fuckup.

09:44

on a panel, he ruined it because he had the microphone practically in his mouth and you couldn't hear the other panelists due to his heavy breathing

09:44

i don't actually hate the guy, i just dislike him because he's very inept strategically and we kinda need to purge the stupid.

09:45

vessenes "NOPE" poster

09:45

the kitten got turned off ;(

09:45

or maybe it's time for a HERP poster

09:46

heh

09:46

i like that

09:46

can i has link to your clown thing again ?

09:46

ima order the MP css dept make me one.

09:46

ah, refresh my memory

09:46

anyone that abset minded on microphone etiquette sends me into a rage

09:46

absent

09:46

didn't you do a vessenes clown thing ?

09:46

oh, right, i think that was tat

09:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00088085 = 19.0704 BTC [-] {3}

09:47

cazalla this is kind of sad, incidentally, because it's roughly like a stripper with bad genital hygiene

09:47

2, maybe 3 days ago?

09:47

sad for me or him

09:47

all the guy ever does is derp about in the conference freakshow, you'd expect he has at least the basics of that profession down pat.

09:47

cazalla for him.

09:48

imagine a truck driver that can't drive double clutch.

09:48

i sent him an email but he didn't respond

09:48

i had a professor once who could only speak in a whisper and so brought a mic to class and amplified it so heavily you could hear him swallow his spit

09:48

sort-of like a vessenes that can't handle a mic

09:48

he would freeze if anyone made a sound (like opening a bookbag, etc)

09:48

mid-syllable sometimes

09:49

at the one uni where i sort-of flirted with academia, this was banned on campus.

09:49

the rector guy was like "if you can't speak you can't be a university professor."

09:49

heh

09:49

it's true

09:49

i know it is.

09:49

i always respected that guy. occasionally obnoxious but he had what you'd need from a rector : fucking rectitude.

09:50

one day (this was a logic course), the poor guy (ancient chinese man) was dreaming up an example for some logical fallacy

09:50

"statement one: all cats have four legs"

09:50

"statement two: some cats dig my music"

09:50

i had to leave the room D;

09:50

ergo, women walk on their tits.

09:51

nubbins` btw, you know the "great generals" machine learning fiasco ?

09:51

doesn't ring a bell

09:52

this is probably apocriphal as such, but it is reflective of various actual events. normally it's retold as

09:52

"at mit, they made this self-learning machine which would try to make deductions sylogistically on a dictionary of natural language constructs

09:52

they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms"

09:53

the thought process being, napoleon was a great general, great generals are forewarned, being forewarned is like having an extra pair of arms,

09:53

well, he did!

09:53

why do you think he was so short!

09:53

four is an odd number of arms for a man to have, the only both odd and even number is infinity

09:53

HAH

09:53

that's actually rich

09:54

"being forewarned is being forearmed"

09:54

kinda why it stuck.

09:55

anyway, machine-proofed khali.

09:58

"In the chat, Karpeles says the leaked document was not produced by Mt. Gox, but he admits that there is some truth to it."

09:58

well no shit

09:58

derp.

09:58

mildly surprised anyone believed that was a legit doc

09:58

soooo... who was it produced by ?

09:58

that two-bit idiot guy

09:58

selkis?

09:59

Bugpowder https://twitter.com/DougKass/status/438673419845271552 :p

09:59

wanted to make a name for himself, and it worked. associated press splashed his name across the globe

09:59

guy got burned prett well.

10:00

just so happens that he faked the doc at a time when everybody was ready to accept a poor fake as legit

10:01

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large << check out this us foreign policy success.

10:02

nubbins` are you sure it's fake, shrem suggested it might have been karpeles partner who drafted it due to poor english

10:04

i'm not sure, but i mean, did you read it?

10:04

who's going to draft an internal memo that flatly states "we don't deserve to run a business"?

10:04

yes but shrem and levine from LTB confirmed they knew some of what is in the pdf is factual prior to it being leaked

10:05

nubbins` anyone sane working at mtgox

10:05

or a bunch of other bitcoin "businesses" ?

10:05

sure, so why did this selkis guy decide to redact page 8?

10:05

nubbins` possibly because it had passwords on it ?

10:05

why would you redact a bunch of numbers on a document about a failing exchange -- a document that you're releasing

10:05

mircea_popescu: the redactions were black highlights. you could copypasta them.

10:05

not proposing any of the foregoing as factual or anything, merely exploring teh theory of it.

10:06

black highlights added to the pdf by selkis himself

10:06

nubbins` point in case as to the "we don't deserve to run a business" thing

10:06

"we can't even use office equipment properly"

10:06

nonono

10:06

maybe he was asked to redact it by whoever gave it to him to leak because if it was given to potential investors, they might not want the financials out there

10:06

selkis is the "blogger" who "leaked" the document.

10:06

he doesn't work for gox

10:06

nubbins` i am aware.

10:06

oh, wait, i see what you're saying

10:06

how do you know he added them ?

10:07

because it says so in the file

10:07

one sec

10:07

o lol

10:07

bwahaha

10:07

so this guy is going to be forever remembered as the pdf highlights tard ?

10:07

good way to become famous lmao

10:08

http://imgur.com/a/ZyBZ5

10:08

Ryan Selkis is full of shit - Imgur

10:08

see first image

10:08

the pdf software he did the fake redactions in put his fucking name on them

10:08

lel x 9000

10:09

of course none of the news articles mentioning selkis talk about this

10:09

fucking hell i can read the original THROUGH the blackl

10:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00088076 = 9.0718 BTC [-]

10:09

if it was fake, who gave him the legit information to mix with his bs?

10:09

what do you mean, gave? the numbers don't even add up

10:09

"mt gox business is healthy and profitable

10:09

the re-branding etc, shrem confirmed he knew of this weeks ago

10:09

is this intentional ?

10:10

mircea_popescu that's why the whole thing is so curious

10:10

none of it makes sense

10:10

pity something awful got all butthurt and humiliated and discontinued buttcoin

10:10

some anon blogger "is sent" a doc, black-highlights a bunch of gibberish math, makes a reddit post

10:10

it was a pretty decent service coupla years ago.

10:11

next thing ya know gox decides "well, now's as good a time as any"

10:11

he even twitted with me, sec lemme find it

10:11

but parts of the document are factual nubbins`

10:11

parts of the bible are factual.

10:11

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438181014784204800 a no, he's the "o noes shrem guy"

10:11

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: "And thought he knew better." ...

10:11

i hope shrem hit him over the head because had he stfu i'd have not said anything either.

10:12

i wonder generally how many people realise that stupendously stupid "pr" actually has a marked negative cost

10:12

curious to see what 2-bit idiot has to say about his redactions

10:12

like say the misadventures of those pretend-gambling guys mpoe-pr laid into a week ago

10:12

what the fuck were they called again,

10:12

casino bitcoin

10:12

a yes that.

10:13

CBTC!

10:14

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.0 there we go yeah

10:14

it was casino bitcoin

10:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12682 @ 0.00088322 = 11.201 BTC [+]

10:17

Calling out CasinoBitco.in

10:17

they added all their privately held shares to havelock the other week

10:18

didn't mention it though until people pointed it out asking wtf

10:18

well obviously all the nonsense barrage was destined to help them fuck some more noobs over.

10:20

haha pretty epic ownage this. allow me to spam irc :

10:20

@SpiegelPeter · 2h "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other-Kennan

10:20

@Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. The EU is one of the few sane players and the US press is slamming them for it

10:21

@SpiegelPeter I don't recall US ever sending tanks into Canada. Does chasing Pancho Villa = Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, Afghanistan 1979?

10:21

@Mircea_Popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large how's that look to you ?

10:21

he doesn't recall the usa and canada being at war?

10:21

i uh

10:21

@SpiegelPeter Is Syria a neighbour of the US? You may want to re-read original Kennan quote.

10:21

@Mircea_Popescu Yes, it borders on the US province of Iraq. You may wish to drop the weasel act, we're adults, we can see through bs.

10:21

and now he's going to be upset because i called him a weasel

10:22

CLEARLY he doesn't have to respond to such evil.

10:22

like you know, having your idiocy made a point of public mockery in the forum is immediate license to disengage and pretent like you were slighted

10:22

it's almost as if they're all women or something.

10:26

"Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other-Kennan

10:26

mircea_popescu@Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. >>> Cuba is a great example to offer

10:26

at least, closer to physical home than iraq

10:26

no because the standard magically is "the us never sent tanks there"

10:26

lol

10:26

notwithstanding that russia didn't send any tanks in the ukraine, either

10:27

but you know, opinions.

10:27

why not have a strongly held one ?

10:28

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

10:28

Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10:28

dunno if they had tanks..

10:28

CIA eh

10:29

I'm reading this ATM - http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Politics-Heroin-Complicity-Afghanistan/dp/1556524838

10:29

lead to that after reading the CIA rumoured to have run a bank here in Australia

10:29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugan_Hand_Bank

10:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 538 @ 0.00582443 = 3.1335 BTC [+] {13}

10:29

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 623 @ 0.00083901 = 0.5227 BTC [-] {7}

10:30

o, you mean to compete with HSBC ?

10:30

in the very lucrative heroin trade ?

10:30

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2210 @ 0.00587473 = 12.9832 BTC [+] {15}

10:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06066044 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3}

10:30

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02199999 = 0.264 BTC [-] {2}

10:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.16230094 = 2.5968 BTC [-] {2}

10:30

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.08388996 = 0.6711 BTC [+] {3}

10:30

it's pretty speculative

10:30

at least in the aus bank case

10:31

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00587699 = 0.1881 BTC [+] {5}

10:32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Invasion_day_.2817_April.29 now with tanks

10:32

Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10:32

that doesn't count.

10:32

k :(

10:32

because random US agent of influence in Brussels slash fuckwit says so.

10:32

heh Invasion day, that's what they call Australia Day although I prefer to call it Conquerors Day

10:32

because this is how the internet works now.

10:32

ha

10:33

i wish you were wrong

10:33

i'll be close to brussels this summer

10:33

going to bed, give me something good to read with morning coffee :)

10:34

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#528354 << may be worth a mention that russian troop movements was discussed here way before it became public :D

10:34

#bitcoin-assets log

10:36

i don't see why they would do that unless they're planning an invasion or reinstallation of Yanuk

10:39

*

Duffer1 will try to remember to read linked article first next time

10:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00087924 = 37.8952 BTC [-] {4}

10:50

why, cause without crimeea they're fucked up the ass

10:51

russia is very badly landlocked, they can't survive without ports.

10:51

even crimeea is barely a fucking toehold.

10:52

and vladivostok is a LONG train ride from moscow & st petersburg

10:52

very.

10:54

almost the longest

10:57

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00589333 = 0.4479 BTC [+] {3}

10:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2081 @ 0.00589999 = 12.2779 BTC [+] {10}

10:58

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11496639 = 0.2299 BTC [+]

10:58

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587995 BTC [+]

10:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24139 @ 0.00088304 = 21.3157 BTC [+] {3}

11:00

http://cryptome.org/2014/02/schneier-yesterday.htm

11:01

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

11:01

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Inte

11:02

heh

11:02

the schneier proposal was so… tame. almost sounded like politicians creating commissions to solve problems

11:02

"This is a radical solution" lol

11:02

is that an article about people leaving "-10 scammer faggot" ratings on -otc? ;D

11:03

I hope government agents have more talent

11:03

pankkake nah, it's about derpage like quoted above.

11:03

on twitter.

11:03

that guy's job is basically "derp at russia".

11:03

which w/e, it's a living.

11:03

twist: GCHQ stole pdf from gox and leaked it via their agent selkis

11:03

it's kind-of becoming a fun sport these days tho, find agents twist their arms.

11:04

kinda sitting ducks because they're slaves to their talking points

11:04

and really as entry level bureaucrats... how smart can they be ?

11:04

hey mp: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzp5k/im_a_journalist_i_want_to_be_able_to_write_about/

11:05

http://i.imgur.com/C5ZyuVj.jpg

11:05

LEL

11:07

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]

11:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.0059 = 1.7641 BTC [+]

11:10

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0059 = 1.2921 BTC [+]

11:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3689 @ 0.00590063 = 21.7674 BTC [+] {7}

11:11

ThickAsThieves link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526451

11:13

https://counterparty.co/faqs/why-must-dividends-bets-and-betting-fees-be-paid-in-xcp/ lol

11:13

Frequently Asked Questions | Counterparty | Crypto-Financial Market

11:13

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00597798 = 0.5201 BTC [+] {2}

11:14

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 224 @ 0.005978 = 1.3391 BTC [+] {4}

11:15

what is xcp

11:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 828 @ 0.00597969 = 4.9512 BTC [+] {4}

11:15

lol

11:15

never heard about it until i was catching up on my daily actm drama this morning

11:15

counterparty is one of those things like mastercoin right

11:15

burn your coins into meta system

11:16

cry later

11:16

yes

11:16

pretty ui though >.<

11:16

"Having only one currency that can be used for betting makes bet-matching simpler and easier (and more likely). The currency for making bets cannot be BTC, because the Counterparty protocol cannot debit BTC from a user’s address."

11:16

sounds like something i'd write for Altcoin

11:16

Duffer1 i for some reason read actm as "rectum"

11:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-]

11:16

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1794 BTC [+]

11:16

my brain is telling me things.

11:16

I wonder if the UI is just a photoshop thing for now

11:17

synesthesia read actm, smell poop

11:17

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/scientists-discover-a-new-state-of-matter-in-the-last-place-youd-ever-think-to-look/

11:17

Scientists Discover a New State of Matter in the Last Place You’d Ever Think to Look | TheBlaze.co

11:17

speaking of all that.

11:17

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 231 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3814 BTC [+] {2}

11:18

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.00598 = 3.9468 BTC [+] {2}

11:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00597999 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3}

11:20

so will chickens eventually have crystallized eyes?

11:20

breed more chikuns!

11:21

Oh, look what happened when I was passed out http://slashdot.org/story/14/02/26/1539250/mt-gox-shuts-down-collapse-should-come-as-no-surprise

11:21

cuz after crystal eyes, comes laser chikuns, right?

11:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00088484 = 16.2554 BTC [+] {3}

11:22

gj bingo

11:22

mircea_popescu: DOUBLE DOWN!

11:22

Bugpowder lolwut? o tsla you mean ?

11:22

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00598 = 0.8252 BTC [+] {2}

11:22

BingoBoingo cool beanz.

11:23

Well, I guess years of reading them taught me their copywriting style

11:23

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438708150469132288 <<< lettuce bother them.

11:23

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @SpiegelPeter I get it, you ...

11:24

yah

11:24

Nice to see you getting back into twitter.

11:24

And getting some responses!

11:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598 = 0.299 BTC [+]

11:28

they fixed the site.

11:28

i abandoned it cca 2012 cause they made it js-unusable.

11:29

yeah, at least spiegal engaged

11:29

spygull

11:29

ThickAsThieves you missed the huge argument with anil dash coupla days ago ?

11:29

possibly

11:29

guy ended up asking me about what music i like and so forth.

11:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.102 = 0.714 BTC [-]

11:29

cause you know, that's how you make friends.

11:30

hehe

11:30

i'm only here because you guys all like Talking Heads

11:30

get Keiser to engage, that's a real challenge

11:30

if only mr Y asked the demonstrator ppl what music they liked....

11:30

Why would one want to engage with Keiser?

11:30

Wouldn't want to bring down my influence.

11:30

ThickAsThieves he used to back before i ended up wearing his asshole as a windshield decoration

11:31

(this was back in the ra ra ra days of to the moon when btc first broke 100)

11:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]

11:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11475878 = 0.459 BTC [-]

11:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00597989 = 0.598 BTC [-] {2}

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475878 BTC [-]

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00597999 = 3.588 BTC [+] {2}

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00598 = 1.6983 BTC [+] {3}

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06098069 = 0.122 BTC [-]

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005987 = 0.1497 BTC [+]

11:37

So, less than 10% of slashdot users are using the new layout

11:37

i don't even remember a case where some popular site "improved"

11:37

or "new layouted"

11:37

and the userbase liked it.

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.005987 = 0.6167 BTC [+] {2}

11:37

i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side.

11:38

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.005987 = 1.1016 BTC [+] {2}

11:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06145 = 0.6145 BTC [+]

11:39

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.005987 = 0.8981 BTC [+]

11:40

Prolly

11:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]

11:43

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.005987 = 0.1976 BTC [+]

11:48

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00598962 = 0.2456 BTC [+] {3}

11:48

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00474999 = 0.6175 BTC [+]

11:51

n00bs gonna n00b http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4836423&cid=46346507

11:52

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595201 = 0.1488 BTC [-]

11:52

<mircea_popescu> i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. /// marketeers are persuasive, it's their job

11:52

mircea_popescu: "You know you've done things right, when people aren't sure you've done anything at all."

11:52

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438718213665611776

11:53

the derpage coming out of that thing is almost like bitcoin magazine runs it.

11:54

what did they rip?

11:54

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: If you're going to rip -assets ...

11:55

link is there, "o derp, bitcoin is the greatest asset class in the histopry of business"

11:55

except, not because it went up 50ish x in 2013.

11:55

ThickAsThieves: Everything, it is the coindesk way

11:55

the argument is strong and well made, but not by them and not by their fucktarded infographic or w/e that thing is

11:55

slide 12 seems familiar

11:56

At this rate COindesk is headed into a Max Kaiser like niche becoming a noob ghetto

11:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008855 = 3.1435 BTC [+]

11:56

see the jan 31st discussion with herbi, it's linked in the tweet.

11:56

max seems to have become the thing he hates

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00598998 = 0.1857 BTC [+] {2}

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00480065 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3}

11:57

Duffer1: Max doesn't have the dignity for that

11:58

Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 2h

11:58

I plan to give @RealAlexJones some free #maxcoin next week. No need to bother with Bitcoin, #maxcoin is better. Currency of the Resistance.

11:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4433 BTC [+] {3}

11:58

pathetic.

11:58

ya that kinda stuff gets under my skin pretty quick

11:58

ya

11:59

Also 737 people reffered by Slashdot in the first hour as the last of four links in the story.

11:59

maxoin is better bro!

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6409 BTC [+] {2}

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39675101 BTC to 2`983 shares, 80347 satoshi per share

12:00

did Max lose all his BTC on gox or something?

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2516 BTC [+] {2}

12:00

If only the latest trilema piece had come out an hour earlier

12:01

it's odd to me that the bitcoin world ignored bitcoin stocks and stock exchanges so much

12:02

like zero mention in the coindesk report

12:02

TomServo kinda lulzy cause it went pretty much like an old guy's erection, that forced coin.

12:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06145 = 0.676 BTC [+]

12:02

never mentioned in bitcoin hearings or such

12:02

never mentioned by core devs

12:02

etc

12:02

why would they ?

12:02

to be comprehensive?

12:02

seems like a situation where they'd just rather forget

12:03

Stocks and exchanges aren't for the herd

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.061 = 0.427 BTC [-]

12:03

i really don't want this viewpoint promoted whereby bitcoin finance is this point of interest for the general public.

12:03

it isn't.

12:03

i mean they can end up believing it is, like they end up believing any other nonsense they believe

12:04

but it's really just setting up everyone to get hurt.

12:04

they even have a whole VC section

12:04

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 21 @ 0.00539875 = 0.1134 BTC [+] {3}

12:04

well i dont mean to imply i wish it promoted

12:04

so much that it being absent is odd

12:04

last thing you need you know, is thebitcoinwife being knowledgeable about stocks.

12:04

i guess it is a little odd.

12:05

it also makes their numbers wrong

12:05

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00598606 = 0.1736 BTC [-] {3}

12:05

Could their numbers have ever been right?

12:05

"38% of all VC investment is in payment processors"

12:05

that is unfortunate, yea.

12:05

ThickAsThieves well... it is. of the 1-2% of bitcoin marketshare that us vcs get

12:05

38% is in dead in the water pps

12:06

rest of 62% is in other dead in the water nonventures.

12:06

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1129999 BTC [-]

12:07

the controlling point here, i guess, would be the observation of Kennedy sr that fuck it, when shoeshine boys discuss stocks it's time to get out.

12:08

the day you're in the same boat with the sorts of people "investing" in groupon it's prolly time to move on.

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00598998 = 0.8685 BTC [+] {2}

12:09

shoeshine boys won't have mpex accounts anytime soon.

12:09

although i guess they could have coinbr accounts

12:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00598642 = 2.3527 BTC [-] {3}

12:09

curse jurov!

12:10

i;m still waiting for someone who'll license coinbr code (for worthy price, ofc)

12:10

and start offering free mpex trading for masses

12:11

mike_c anyway, stuff like publishing the correct numbers is useful and welcome.

12:11

somehow no one is up to it

12:11

the idea isn't to keep anything a secret, god forbid, but basically i think we should be informed by the correct interraction with children in a family.

12:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11299998 BTC [+]

12:11

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [+]

12:11

you don't make a big secret out of the power sockets, or the power tools in the garage

12:11

you just go about your business without making a big deal of them and let the kids grow up with all their limbs

12:12

i think that's overall the best policy.

12:12

and maybe even buy those little plastice outlet covers to make sure they survive :)

12:12

maybe. tho...

12:12

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11299998 = 0.339 BTC [+]

12:12

that's the debatable point, but anyway. some slack for everyone to cut closer or further by his taste.

12:12

but as a general principle actual finance does not belong in the mouth of pundits any more than science belongs in the mouths of politicos.

12:13

BingoBoingo see, hour late or not, it made the paper http://paper.li/ionescupopescu

12:13

looking at slides like coindesk's makes me mad for some reason. those stupid charts with "here's why btc went up" and "here's why it went down". they should post that on bitcointalk and be done with it.

12:14

it really is just glorified bitcointalk stuff.

12:14

Cool

12:16

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00599 = 0.4373 BTC [+] {2}

12:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595201 = 0.2381 BTC [-]

12:21

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z010y/open_letter_to_michael_casey_wsj_reporter_who/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

12:22

Open Letter to Michael Casey - WSJ reporter who butchered my comments in today's Bitcoin cover story

12:22

the disadvantages of being erik

12:23

nice

12:24

Well, when you want to be everyone's friend you forget if you actually have friends or not.

12:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00594726 = 0.2617 BTC [-] {2}

12:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599 = 0.1018 BTC [+]

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00582265 = 3.5868 BTC [-] {10}

12:28

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.0058 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2}

12:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]

12:28

"with friends like this, whi the fuck needs cointelpro"

12:28

who*

12:30

lol srsly.

12:31

payment processors have too much overhead due to regulation...you pay so many fees just cutting through red tape

12:32

PCI compliance is a joke, yet it accounts for good chunk of the expense budget...that gets passed onto the customer. thus we have bitcoin. So what happens in 20 years big government regulates BTC and you need 10 licenses just to touch it in Country XYZ?

12:32

eh let teh vcs have fun

12:34

pci compliance is most definitely a joke

12:35

No doubt. It worked wonders for Target, didn't it!

12:36

lol operate a bitcoin exchange from a space station. no government there...

12:36

thestringpuller: elevator for bags of fiat?

12:36

mining farm in space, free cooling

12:37

Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch

12:37

(radiative only, if this is somehow non-obvious)

12:37

no i know :P

12:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35611 @ 0.00088327 = 31.4541 BTC [-] {2}

12:39

can a level of bureaucracy exist sufficient to regulate Bitcoin?

12:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1989 @ 0.00088021 = 1.7507 BTC [-]

12:39

I think the problem is people use the word regulate like its some specific thing.

12:40

<asciilifeform> Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch << this somehow never is directly obvious

12:40

phun phact - in soviet prison camps, notes ('scribbles', roughly translated from the argot) went around freely from one end of the archipelago to another. (how? bribe a guard)

12:41

but one of the biggest problems for any energetically intensive application outside of earth is like... how the fuck you cool it.

12:41

you'll end up with larger heat exchangers than solar panels

12:41

so something resembling bitcoin (well, more like Hawala) could have worked even there.

12:41

asciilifeform "there is no prison that may hold the literate"

12:41

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1314 BTC [+]

12:41

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08388998 = 0.1678 BTC [-]

12:42

diametric but it is a specific thing. it means "fucking" :D

12:42

and i'm sure virtually everyone is familiar with the use of morse code by prisoners, historically.

12:42

in case anyone is bored and wants to troll Wired: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzz24/im_a_reporter_with_wired_if_you_worked_at_gox_and/

12:42

re: heat sinks: this is how the americans spotted the radiothermally-powered (Pu core) soviet satellites - enormous fins.

12:42

"Tough Women followed you"

12:43

fucking story of my life.

12:43

that and, well, absence of solar panels.

12:43

asciilifeform indeed

12:43

"hey those don't really look like solar panels ?!"

12:43

rtg can be built to happily run for centuries.

12:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33499 @ 0.00087986 = 29.4744 BTC [-] {2}

12:45

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/man-shoots-himself_n_4853983.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

12:45

Man Accidentally Kills Self With Gun During Demonstration On Gun Safety

12:45

"The 36-year-old man ... was attempting to demonstrate the safety of the handguns by holding them to his head and pulling the trigger."

12:45

because that's how you demonstrate that

12:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1972 BTC [+]

12:46

for my next trick, i will demonstrate the safety of this prop knife by falling on it from my balcony.

12:46

tldr, insurance fraud.

12:46

have you seen the one with the black cop shoots himself in a classroom during a safety demo?

12:46

i'll try to find it

12:46

what does black have to do with it?

12:46

i was thinking that

12:46

an adjective to help describe the specific video i'm thinking of

12:46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

12:46

Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube

12:47

tom wins

12:47

wait there's A LOT of vids of cops shooting themselves in schools ?

12:47

^

12:47

thats a classic

12:48

Have to hand it to him, he just rolls with it

12:48

Paco de Lucia has died

12:48

diametric perhaps not his first time ?

12:49

*

asciilifeform had a dream last night that he found the coveted n-sat shortcutter for sha-256. the number '14' was a magic constant, somehow.

12:50

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/infested-bedbug-rentals-unacceptable-tom-osborne-says-1.2551860

12:50

Infested bedbug rentals unacceptable, Tom Osborne says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

12:50

ugh

12:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.005975 = 0.3645 BTC [+] {2}

12:50

this is my nightmare

12:50

well. one of them

12:50

curious to see what changes they'll try to make to the residential tenancies act

12:51

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.005975 = 0.2151 BTC [+]

12:51

nubbins`: this is my nightmare << bedbugs?

12:51

nod

12:51

my house is attached on both sides

12:51

or sha shortcut

12:51

hard skids living on both sides too

12:51

sha shortcut isn't into nightmare territory yet

12:52

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00597499 = 0.6811 BTC [-]

12:52

what's a hardskid?

12:52

;;ud skid

12:52

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skid | The term "skid" is in part derived from "skid row", which is both a band enjoyed by those the term refers to, as well as their address. See also white trash and ...

12:52

Urban Dictionary: skid

12:53

aha

12:53

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595 = 0.1488 BTC [-]

12:53

technically we call them "skeets" here

12:53

but i think skids is a more widely known term

12:53

a hard skid is used to store data, but does not work well, and sometimes reverses bits

12:54

nubbins` tbh large parts of the us are having a SERIOUS infestation problem these days.

12:54

ah, haha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeet_(Newfoundland)

12:54

mircea_popescu they found bedbugs in provincial court here last year

12:54

i can't grok wtf is causing it, because i never heard of a civilised country with begbugs before san francisco came along

12:54

poor white people are worse than niggas these days

12:55

no no thestringpuller those are "niggers" in this channel

12:55

nigga a different thing

12:55

lel, the article starts with "In Newfoundland English..."

12:55

little parasites were constant companions of people, historically.

12:55

perhaps our little break is simply over.

12:55

asciilifeform yeah up until 1950 or so

12:55

also poor hippies are the emperors of infestation

12:55

worse than serfs

12:55

and they complain....

12:55

lol, asshole https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5389341#msg5389341

12:56

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595 = 0.238 BTC [-]

12:56

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_English#Newfoundland_English_expressions

12:56

lel

12:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00087859 = 2.5699 BTC [-]

12:57

"Where ya at?"

12:57

srsly, this is what yo upeople invented ?

12:57

no, we invented the gas mask

12:57

brb going to name some dogs after you

12:57

i think there's a wikipedia article about that somewhere too

12:57

"where are ye to?" is much more common

12:57

Get on the go, Let's go (also, a common euphemism for partying, on the go by itself can also refer to a relationship - similar to a dating stage, but more hazy.)

12:57

ye being, of course, the plural of you

12:58

whoever the fuck wrote that wiki entry was pretty well gone.

12:58

nod

12:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00595 = 0.2975 BTC [-]

12:58

most of it is shit

12:58

hits the mark a few times

12:58

He[she/dey] just took off

12:58

i.e. "right" as a synonym for "Very"

12:58

"she's right crooked" == "she is in a very bad mood"

12:58

nubbins` like "the right honorable dorky mcdorkenstock" ?

12:58

nah

12:58

well, wait

12:58

so you thing lolz

12:58

Newfoundland English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

12:59

i guess so

12:59

lmao

12:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00485999 = 0.1069 BTC [-]

12:59

skeet is white trach or wigger here

12:59

Ducky, female friend, used affectionately. Also My love, used in an entirely platonic sense

12:59

great contribs to culture coming from canada.

12:59

SARCASM

12:59

i thought skeet meant the process of ejaculating

12:59

mircea_popescu: i've seen delivery drivers call women "my lover"

12:59

dere ya goes, me lover

13:00

thestringpuller: that too, depending on who you ask.. as in ... skeet skeet

13:00

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC {2}

13:00

i'm guilty of using some of these

13:00

"now the once" = "soon"

13:00

lotsa former pirates out there?

13:00

c'mon now, we goes drinkin' now the once

13:00

so what does gay mean in newfoundlandandlabradorese ?

13:00

nubbins`: I think here they call the person 'boo'.

13:00

Yet there is a difference between a hill and a big hill.

13:00

haha

13:00

mircea_popescu: depends on the age of the speaker ;D

13:00

boo=my lover

13:01

"queer" is still regularly used to mean "odd" by older folk

13:01

that's right faggoty my love.

13:01

LOL

13:01

i need bait now

13:01

.bait

13:01

"dass a queer smell"

13:01

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2edvwVIAY1r0gv87o1_1280.jpg

13:01

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-26/bitcoin-exchange-mt-dot-gox-shutdown-said-to-be-probed-by-u-dot-s

13:01

Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Shutdown Said to be Probed by U.S. - Businessweek

13:01

more like "qware" than "queer" tho

13:01

Mmmm elegant.

13:01

who the hell is Preet Bharara? i feel like i've heard the name before

13:02

asciilifeform preet bharara wants a cracker ?

13:02

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599 = 0.5391 BTC [+]

13:02

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

13:02

he's the guy holding the silkroad coins

13:02

best parakeet name ever.

13:02

if i recall correctly

13:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {3}

13:04

His brother, Vinit Bharara, is the entrepreneur who co-founded Diapers.com

13:05

http://goxshirts.com/

13:05

dem shirts, yo

13:06

;;google explain like I'm five bitcoin

13:06

Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five — Future of Currency — Medium: <https://medium.com/future-of-currency/73b4257ac833>; Explain like I'm five: Bitcoin | Darren Hobbs: <http://darrenhobbs.com/2013/04/09/explain-like-im-five-bitcoin/>; Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five (In case you want to understand the ...: <http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/01/explain-bitcoin-like-im- (1 more message)

13:06

bronycapitalism!

13:07

;;google explain like I'm five noncommutative algebras

13:07

fa.functional analysis - Realisation of noncommutative torus ...: <http://mathoverflow.net/questions/157357/realisation-of-noncommutative-torus>; Basic facts about finitely-generated noncommutative algebras - Math ...: <http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/645775/basic-facts-about-finitely-generated-noncommutative-algebras>; An Intuitive Guide to Linear Algebra | (1 more message)

13:08

Ships in two weeks™ or your money back!

13:08

;;google explain like i'm twelve and what is this ?

13:08

Explain Like I'm Five | Don't Panic! - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/>; Explain Like I'm Calvin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/ExplainLikeImCalvin>; Philadelphia (1993) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107818/quotes>

13:08

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599 = 0.1857 BTC [+]

13:08

jcpham, lel

13:08

o i c

13:08

ping davout

13:08

;;explain like i'm five anal sex

13:08

Error: "explain" is not a valid command.

13:08

heh

13:09

;;eli5 would be great gribble command

13:09

Error: "eli5" is not a valid command.

13:09

why hardcoded 5? 'eliN'

13:09

"wear your failings like the badge of honor that they are"

13:09

;;google explain like i'm usagi

13:09

so i'm looking up to see if a lot of things that...: <http://adventuresofcomicbookgirl.tumblr.com/post/64092309282/so-im-looking-up-to-see-if-a-lot-of-things-that>; What's the Big Deal About Sailor Moon? « The Hooded Utilitarian: <http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2011/11/bigdealaboutsailormoon/>; Stan Sakai drew a comic in 1991 explaining how to make ... - Robot 6: (1 more message)

13:09

LOL

13:09

hehe

13:09

;;explain like i'm five seppuku

13:10

i think that site is 100%

13:10

bitpay integrated and such

13:10

from reddit: "What is the potential value of NeoBee? Right now it is trading at around 005"

13:10

"Noone can be sure until first dividends."

13:10

so if you buy then i have to make it

13:10

...

13:10

;;seen usagi

13:10

usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <usagi> No, but it will go over

13:10

LOL

13:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00596854 = 0.2447 BTC [+] {2}

13:12

hope you're getting a good price on your shirts :D

13:12

so they need to be $50

13:12

so what happens if 1st dividends are 0.007 per share ?

13:12

i see your point

13:13

the moon isn't high enough for such a div

13:13

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC

13:14

infinite power right ?

13:14

where are you getting em printed, anyway?

13:14

http://goxshirts.com/products/got-gox-shirt

13:14

Got Gox? shirt – goxshirts.com

13:14

cafepress or some such?

13:14

ew

13:15

;D was hoping that'd garner a reaction

13:15

everyone thank nubbins`the price went up

13:15

;;ticker

13:15

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.38, Best ask: 587.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 587.37, 24 hour volume: 50964.25595437, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.245443288

13:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00599339 = 0.9889 BTC [+] {3}

13:15

*

nubbins` discreetly undercuts prices

13:15

o no! look at that, nobody cared!

13:16

umm customink

13:16

doesn't really matter to me. still working out logistics

13:16

benkay: hey

13:16

i had a need for a shopify thingy

13:17

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059977 = 0.1679 BTC [+] {2}

13:17

*

nubbins` raises eyebrow

13:17

they do one-off shirts for $20.75, shipping included

13:17

my guess is chinese shirts with heat xfer graphics

13:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+]

13:18

i wouldn't even set up the press for $20.75 ;p

13:18

davout: more tunes still on offer?

13:19

benkay: sure! later tonight tho, gotta wrap some stuff up

13:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0059977 = 0.3839 BTC [+]

13:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06178989 = 0.4943 BTC [+]

13:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.103 = 0.927 BTC [+]

13:19

i'm gonna try to get Havelock to fix this market cap bullshit

13:20

how many SMG shares are there again?

13:20

bahaha

13:20

davout: i'll check in tomorrow, busy tonight

13:20

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0059978 = 0.3659 BTC [+] {2}

13:20

no worries :D

13:20

ThickAsThieves: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG

13:21

that doesn't tell the total # of shares

13:21

i guess it's abstracted by warrant

13:21

s

13:21

;;calc 12157 / .000138

13:21

88094202.8986

13:21

well that's the thing about warrants

13:21

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0059978 = 0.2279 BTC [+]

13:21

^ that many shares

13:21

http://trilema.com/2014/smg-january-2014-statement/

13:21

S.MG, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:21

and about the same # of warrants

13:22

hmm

13:22

wait why i am i doing mp's work for him

13:22

so really havelock would need to pull that count dynamically

13:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475881 BTC [+]

13:22

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00599885 = 1.9196 BTC [+] {5}

13:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49 = 1.47 BTC [-]

13:22

can they do that?

13:22

shares is fixed. warrants are somewhat dynamic.

13:22

they can't do that?

13:22

btcalpha manages :)

13:23

btcalpha accomodates shares being created after the fact?

13:23

it accomodates warrants being issued

13:23

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 227 @ 0.0055 = 1.2485 BTC

13:24

suppose i cash in my warrant today. 192,000 s.mg shares get pushed to my account

13:24

how does havelock find out about this?

13:24

monthly statement

13:24

sounds like a thing havelock and the pt managers should really have thought about.

13:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [+] {2}

13:24

mike_c: so the numbers could be inaccurate on havelock for up to 30 days

13:25

well this week havelock becomes the PT manager

13:25

only sort of. fully dilute market cap doesn't change

13:25

surely James and Mircea can sort out a way to reliably get a count

13:25

guess that means you don't have to worry about any of this bullshit, eh, ThickAsThieves?

13:25

well i want neo's to be right mostly

13:25

S.MG has a total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding

13:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17068 @ 0.00088091 = 15.0354 BTC [+]

13:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00599892 = 1.2658 BTC [-] {3}

13:26

and why are warrants included or what are we discussing ?

13:26

they arent included, but they are a factor should they be rendered, no?

13:26

i think the question is how havelock knows total # of shares

13:27

when people can cash out warrants whenever they want

13:27

and for that matter s.mg can write more warrants whenever it wants.

13:28

nod

13:28

this presents a problem to be solved if havelock wishes to display a live count of the number of shares existing

13:28

it just means the cap needs to be more dynamic than ASICMINER for example

13:28

this is what jurov likes so much about mpex

13:29

anyway bbl i gotta run an errand

13:29

nubbins` well generally share counts change. corps do share-based acquisitions and mergers, splits, reverse splits

13:29

warrants and options are exercised all the time

13:29

kind-of why the key figures are reported a certain way in fiat.

13:30

nod

13:30

wait, i said bbl

13:30

for real this time!

13:32

alright, short email to Havelock CEO sent, I even gave him all the dataz.

13:33

(for SMG, AM, NEO)

13:33

everyone else can get fukt i guess

13:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11475881 = 0.2295 BTC [+]

13:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-]

13:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]

13:38

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.00599869 = 1.9376 BTC [-] {3}

13:39

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599975 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2}

13:39

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11499999 = 0.23 BTC [+]

13:40

;;calc .000599975*16000000

13:40

9599.6

13:40

;;ticker

13:40

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.37, Best ask: 585.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 584.37, 24 hour volume: 50743.47596829, 24 hour low: 509.96, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.356989288

13:40

;;calc 9599.6*584.37

13:40

5609718.252

13:40

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10499999 BTC [+]

13:41

oops

13:41

should be 10x

13:41

NEOBEE at $56.1m

13:41

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00599963 = 0.648 BTC [-] {3}

13:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06178989 = 0.3089 BTC [+]

13:42

160mn shares ?

13:42

16m

13:42

i had the price wrong

13:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2}

13:42

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.0059996 = 0.162 BTC [-]

13:43

lol. bank of cyprus was what, 350mn ?

13:43

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}

13:44

€ 371.59m

13:45

well so almost there

13:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.005998 = 1.0077 BTC [-] {2}

13:47

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.000501 = 0.1268 BTC [+]

13:49

http://gothamist.com/2014/02/26/spike_lee_goes_off_about_the_mother.php

13:50

i'm having real trouble understanding the growing trend of american anti-gentrificationism

13:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.061 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}

13:52

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599972 = 0.75 BTC [+]

13:52

"we're poor and dirty why should anyone be rich" not enough ?

13:52

MtGox Update 3: I found it, my usb with 700k bitcoins, It had fell down the side of the sofa at starbucks, withdrawals to resume soonish.

13:52

ThickAsThieves: people dream of keeping their money

13:52

is this really deep science?

13:53

"You have to come with respect. Theres a code."

13:53

ahahaha epic.

13:53

fuck you and your fucking code.

13:53

the comments are ridiculous "Why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the South Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? Why did it take this great influx of white people to get the schools better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every motherfuckin’ day when I was living in 165 Washington Park... The police weren’t around... When

13:53

you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three o’clock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something."

13:54

why? cuz you didnt

13:54

basically, some people suck, some don't. whee why should this be, whoo how could this be.

13:54

it just is.

13:54

part of it, of course, has to do with "the code".

13:54

some codes suck.

13:55

in america, there are (de-facto) radically different 'tax rates' (not tax properly speaking, but rent) for different castes

13:55

there's no such thing as a right to one's code just because it exists or just because it's different.

13:55

god forbid a mom can walk down a street safely

13:55

get a good code or stfu.

13:55

you can squeeze into the rent zone of a different caste if you're willing to live where it lives

13:55

but when people do it en mass, the landlords adjust the price

13:55

asciilifeform pretty much.

13:55

this is called, for some reason, 'gentrification'

13:56

i thought it was called 'life'

13:56

just explaining for people who have never been to the u.s.

13:56

or maybe 'progress'

13:57

so it works roughly like this. you're a programmer or whatnot, and live in a repurposed warehouse, with armoured doors. and life is good, you pay 1/10 of your money as rent

13:57

then the other programmers think you're clever and get the same idea

13:57

in a few years the street is full of people like yourself and you pay the mandatory 1/2 of your money as rent.

13:58

asciilifeform amusingly historic data from 1600s and 1700s shows avg rents being about 5% of income

13:58

i visited the tenderloin in SF, i dont know what the fuck they are clinging on to

13:58

with tax trailing around 4%

13:58

it's a pit

13:59

those were the dark ages

13:59

today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent.

13:59

and then in most places another 10%ish in vat and vat-like taxes.

13:59

leaving them with about 1 in 10 of their income

13:59

show people what fraction of their net crop medieval serfs paid, and no one believes you.

13:59

as opposed to the traditional TAKING 1 of 10

13:59

right-o.

14:00

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]

14:00

you need a whole of a lot of progress to get people thinking they're better off in vermin infested shitholes today than they were in 1500

14:00

"When Michael Jackson died they wanted to have a party for him in motherfuckin Fort Greene Park and all of a sudden the white people in Fort Greene said, 'Wait a minute! We cant have black people having a party for Michael Jackson to celebrate his life. Whos coming to the neighborhood?

14:01

well honestly now... why would white people let black people throw parties for mj's death ?

14:01

he was white.

14:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599975 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}

14:01

give him at least that much.

14:01

hehe

14:01

he did work hard for it

14:01

ikr/

14:02

in other news, the bitcoin Rift guild is about to pass 1k players 0.o

14:03

is the game fun? or you just in it for the economy?

14:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00598329 = 0.8137 BTC [-] {4}

14:03

i have it uninstalled

14:03

im mostly doing it for the economy

14:03

which i pretty much own

14:04

but the game is like wow withot the stupid shit

14:04

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00596738 = 0.8533 BTC [-] {6}

14:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899998 BTC [+]

14:05

s/Rift/Guild Wars2/

14:07

i never tried gw

14:07

2

14:08

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599976 = 0.102 BTC [+]

14:09

I played Rift, it was def a step of from the likes of WoW. But GW2 is the epitome of "without the stupid shit"

14:09

no gear treadmill, skill oriented gameplay

14:09

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

14:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0605 = 0.3025 BTC [-]

14:09

anyways

14:09

*

mooninite continues to lurk

14:10

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00599976 = 0.174 BTC [+]

14:10

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.16230094 = 2.1099 BTC [-]

14:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599999 = 0.126 BTC [+]

14:11

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

14:11

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.060377 = 2.0528 BTC [-]

14:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00599999 = 1.338 BTC [+]

14:13

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00599999 = 0.708 BTC [+]

14:14

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00599999 = 2.7 BTC [+]

14:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1738 @ 0.00599999 = 10.428 BTC [+] {3}

14:16

mooninite how does the gear threadmill work ?

14:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00088005 = 11.5507 BTC [-]

14:19

at max level, everyone's gear stats hit the same ceiling. There's no quest for bigger and better loots. Some people dislike this fact, but I find it nice to be able to quit playing for a few weeks, come back and not feel like everyone else progressed beyond me

14:19

there are ascended and legendary items that would be the sort of 'epic' rarity loots but their stats are barely higher than the regular items, only they look nicer and have particle effects

14:20

so it's a level playing field, and if you want to farm and go out of your way to get the rarest items, you can -- but they will not immediately make you stronger than everyone else, it's just for looks

14:20

so how the heck does crafting work then ?

14:20

*possibly* dumb question, but would it be possible to request the listing of an asset on mpex via a pre-existing account, or does it have to be done from a brand new one?

14:20

the20year2 there's no requirement it be a new account

14:21

i don't think any assets were listed off new accounts anyway, what sense'd that make ?

14:21

% as rent has more to do with density, no?

14:21

My primary concern/question if the requirement is always 30btc to list an asset

14:21

% as rent climbs as population density rises

14:21

there's no 30 btc to list an asset tho.

14:22

But, 30btc to sign up an account

14:22

mpex works exactly like a stock exchange is supposed to work, the asset should ideally take an underwriter

14:22

which is someone with the experience and contacts required to maintain the financial side of things.

14:23

if every ipo also bought a pit spot it'd be the fucking end of the world over at nyse.

14:23

in some cases obviously the asset is owned by an actual investment bank which already has a seat. this is by no means common or the rule. esp as things mature.

14:23

And who is the contact?

14:24

You're talking about market makers, correct?

14:24

the contact for what exactly ?

14:24

uh no.

14:24

the underwriter for an asset on mpex

14:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087857 = 20.5585 BTC [-] {3}

14:25

there's no requirement that the underwriter marketmakes

14:26

with the exception of x.eur and the options, mpex assets aren't mm'd specifically

14:26

anyone can be the mm or somescuh.

14:26

I guess I'm trying to determine if there'd be use in whether there would be a use for a USD rentalstarter bond on mpex

14:26

And if so, the costs of doing such

14:27

aha.

14:27

We should hit $500k in total NAV by June, which is good, but i don't know if it's enough still in order to get a portfolio lender to consider us

14:28

well, if you aren't in the business, the logical step would be to talk to someone who is.

14:28

Which was the whole idea behind doing this 2nd round of funding via havelock. So, then i've got to consider what non-share options there exist for business financing. Issuing interest bearing bonds are one of those things that many businesses do when they don't/can't apply for bank financing.

14:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.115 = 3.45 BTC [+] {3}

14:29

but you'd have to pay interest in btc..

14:29

Well , if it works as a BTC short, then the interest being paid would be tied to USD rather than BTC, but still paid via btc as the medium

14:29

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11520433 = 0.2304 BTC [+] {2}

14:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00087823 = 2.6786 BTC [-]

14:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11540966 = 0.8079 BTC [+]

14:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14720 @ 0.0008781 = 12.9256 BTC [-] {3}

14:30

<mircea_popescu> today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. <<< you're obviously not from canada

14:31

nubbins` was thinking more of a us thing.

14:31

isn't it flipped in canada?

14:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11540966 = 0.2308 BTC [+]

14:33

Then of course, depending on the cost, issuing bonds in the US may be preferential to pursuing issuance on a bitcoin based exchange

14:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00599999 = 0.396 BTC [+]

14:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2}

14:35

Hopefully I'm making sense

14:35

The two questions are : Would a USD bond (to short BTC:USD) be useful on somewhere like mpex, and if so, what would the cost be to do such a venture from the issuer standpoint

14:35

wait, sorry, 25% of gross pay

14:35

i see

14:36

~50% of net for housing is the norm here

14:36

US they want to see 35%

14:36

there's already a btc hedge on mpex in x.eur. i'm not sure how much appetite you'll find for a bond that will decrease in NAV and interest rate as btc rises.

14:36

depending on your tax bracket, that could be around 25% of gross

14:36

and that includes usually utilities

14:37

the20year2 what makes you tihnk you have the credibility to issue bonds in the first place ?

14:37

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088321 = 0.2208 BTC [-]

14:37

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 491 @ 0.00599996 = 2.946 BTC [-] {7}

14:38

i mean equity is one thing, people love throwing money away

14:38

but a fixed upside requires a very narrow downside.

14:38

I'd like to think i've been more transparent with rentalstarter than most other issuers have been with their respective listings. Of course, i'm still asking if this is a possibility at any rate

14:38

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 220 @ 0.00086551 = 0.1904 BTC [-] {2}

14:38

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1155 = 0.3465 BTC [+]

14:39

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.006 = 1.206 BTC [+] {5}

14:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00087755 = 11.9786 BTC [-] {4}

14:40

a possibility it is, of course, but transparency is hardly much of a qualification.

14:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.006 = 0.93 BTC [+] {2}

14:41

With the number of companies that have outright scammed people i'd kind of expect it to at least play a partial role in future issuer plans.

14:41

how many companies on mpex have scammed people?

14:41

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [-] {2}

14:42

I'm not aware of any, however i'm talking about the landry list of stocks out there that have.

14:43

in general companies that can't finance themselves through stock issuance have little or no hope of placing bonds successfully.

14:43

at least i've never heard of pinksheet bonds issuance.

14:44

people need to stop financing period until their business actually runs

14:44

There's a medium sized REIT i ran into out of texas that issued bonds here pretty recently in the same way I would like to do ours

14:44

To issue bonds in the US, up to $50m all that is required is to issue a PPM and file with the SEC in the respective investor's state

14:44

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00599999 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}

14:45

Then, depending on accreditation you then are limited to a number of investors

14:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00599999 = 0.33 BTC [-]

14:48

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [-]

14:49

what's "run into" mean ?

14:49

jesus fuck, i go craft, check twitter half hour later, 24 interactions

14:49

how is one supposed to handle this shit

14:49

you ignore them

14:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00088005 = 9.6779 BTC [+]

14:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599999 = 0.45 BTC [-]

14:51

i guess so.

14:52

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.006 = 0.24 BTC [+]

14:52

actually goes pretty fast.

14:52

most of it is just spam basically made to make one feel important.

14:52

takes about 3 minutes to cut through 25 interactions.

14:54

at least bots think you're important

14:59

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599 = 1.198 BTC [-] {2}

15:01

not a matter of bots, just, all interaction is split up in n atomic bits

15:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]

15:03

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]

15:04

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 362 @ 0.00050899 = 0.1843 BTC [+] {2}

15:04

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [+]

15:05

the gox failure has clearly been depressing ATC prices..

15:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00088005 = 7.7444 BTC [+]

15:06

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00599999 = 0.372 BTC [+]

15:08

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02289649 = 0.229 BTC [-]

15:09

http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2

15:09

look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face

15:09

lol

15:11

"I am most concerned that as Bitcoin is inevitably banned in other countries, Americans will be left holding the bag on a valueless currency"

15:11

have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin

15:11

Jere_Jones

"ban bitcoin" lol

15:12

aaand... it's banned

15:12

what is ?

15:12

wait wut

15:12

bitcoin

15:12

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1124 @ 0.00052998 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {4}

15:12

in pakistan ?

15:12

aah

15:12

you didn't see the rows before my comment

15:13

every politician needs some aide telling him to consider what implications his comments have on the US dollar

15:13

ban USD!

15:13

[22:11:12] <ThickAsThieves> have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin

15:13

[22:11:35] <Jere_Jones> "ban bitcoin" lol

15:13

[15:09] <ThickAsThieves> http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2

15:13

[15:09] <ThickAsThieves> look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face

15:13

[15:09] <ThickAsThieves> lol

15:13

^ mp

15:13

only reason the ban isn't official yet is that ft. meade hasn't finished the beta version of the IRSCoin that u.s. citizens will be asked to trade their TerroristCoins for.

15:14

"Bitcoin has also become a haven for individuals to buy black market items. " shit it's harder to get stuff with bitcoin than dollars now

15:14

oic

15:15

meanwhile i'm having fun on twitter with twerps who describe themselves as "Strategy & Research"

15:15

and then do website design for a living.

15:15

i wonder, is there a legal ground for disallowing the USG to ban it on grounds that it would destroy huge amounts of wealth for US citizens already invested?

15:15

because srsly. that's where it's aty.

15:15

ThickAsThieves no.

15:16

the usg has the god given right to destroy any wealth of its citizens it can.

15:16

ThickAsThieves: hemp, gold, 100 other historical examples

15:17

i like those examples

15:17

cuz they failed

15:17

http://auroracoin.org/

15:17

btw what do you think?

15:17

scam

15:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00087832 = 8.6954 BTC [-]

15:17

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

15:17

ThickAsThieves, iceland government gonna scam their citizens?

15:17

where do you see the gov being involved?

15:18

afaik they gonna distribute

15:18

afaik?

15:18

god, that article just drives me nuts

15:18

k more

15:18

as far as i know

15:18

we should ban it, because it's unstable

15:18

rofl

15:18

you dont know

15:18

is what you mean to say

15:18

national altchains are inevitable - just like the idiot national cryptosystems of the '80s-90s

15:18

asciilifeform i bet you not in 2014.

15:19

maybe so, but auroracoin isnt one

15:19

as soon as these folks figure out how to diddle the crypto

15:19

not even

15:19

straight key escrow is a little out of fashion

15:19

as soon as they figure out wtf they are. will be 2015 at the ealiest.

15:19

it's gonna have to be something more subtle

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599998 = 0.24 BTC [-]

15:19

it's premined and there's a hard fork already?!

15:19

lolroracoin

15:19

lmao

15:19

ThickAsThieves, well, that knida explained :P

15:20

not like the premine was a lot of coins just a mere 50%

15:20

:D

15:20

the whole thing is absurd and insulting

15:20

Before the U.S. gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans.

15:20

jesus

15:20

hard-working americans?

15:20

lol

15:21

what about the lazy americans?

15:21

gx having fun ?

15:21

none of that sentence made sense

15:21

% of hard work performed by bitcoiners = .00000001

15:22

i'm fucking raging

15:22

lol

15:23

spam because funny :

15:23

@TomHashemi Did you want to share something with the group ?

15:23

@Mircea_Popescu Nope... I've read enough of your nonsense on bitcointalk to do it on twitter as well

15:23

@TomHashemi I don't write on bitcointalk.

15:23

@Mircea_Popescu you are not MPOE-PR or whatever?

15:23

@TomHashemi No. And why am I talking to derps who think they may put "strategy" on their bio when what they do is code websites ?

15:23

@Mircea_Popescu errrr maybe because I do both? try reading the full page before you comment...

15:23

@TomHashemi Sure, most actual strategists I know advertise themselves as cooks, streetsweepers, merchandise stacking "executives" and so on

15:23

@Mircea_Popescu Didn't realise I had to get all my sources of income approved by you before I proceed. I'll remember for next time, thanks.

15:23

@TomHashemi You're from a different movie, seriously.

15:24

mircea_popescu: wrestling with pigs?

15:24

im on twitter nao

15:24

dun-dundun you're in the shitter nao

15:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXpF2xMlZyQ

15:25

;;ticker --market all

15:25

MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.64, vol: 51250.82140218 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 566.0, vol: 34102.75551 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.2499, vol: 39495.72382802 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.02, vol: 338.71655363 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 574.633104, vol: 14739.30100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 576.844443971

15:25

ono! needs more 0s for volume

15:26

So Imma guess this recent drama means rally soon

15:26

kinda been rallying all day.

15:27

midnightmagic

mircea_popescu: Why do you waste your time with people like that? Is he some kind of uber-wealthy gateway?

15:27

bitstamp is much less prone to "crashes" on "bad" news like this

15:27

so glad gox is dead

15:27

midnightmagic cause i'm a fucking verbose idiot basically.

15:28

new theory. twitter used by thinking people is really stego blockchain.

15:28

4 bits per word.

15:28

asciilifeform in retrospect, "strategy" on such venues should be taken as an indicator of consumate armchair generalship.

15:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00485 = 0.1116 BTC [-]

15:28

i guess protecting the term is impossible, actual people doing strategy will have to find a new word

15:28

midnightmagic

mircea_popescu: :-/ I don't think so, fwiw.

15:28

kids take over this one

15:29

"After you ban #bitcoin, could you ban really hot, humid weather? It's really the most annoying weather."

15:29

midnightmagic no but w/e, he was talking at me on twitter. so i respond. and when i respond to people i don't know it highligths them to research team too, so they give me a "who's this guy".

15:29

i've nothing against armchair generals, so long as they don't labour under the delusion of commanding actual soldiers.

15:29

asciilifeform that leaves obvious coinclusion about bruce schneiers recommended password solution

15:29

"please clarify whether this ban would apply to @dogecoin also?"

15:29

lol

15:29

midnightmagic

doh

15:29

when i get back a "well he makes websites" im like o great

15:30

ThickAsThieves droopy tits is what they should ban

15:30

yes!

15:30

big is ok but saggy nobody wants.

15:30

i'm a stereotypical, unrepentant armchair general myself. even have a copy of clausewitz somewhere.

15:30

a scourge on the nation surely

15:31

asciilifeform i don't think armchair generals are allowed clausewitz

15:31

i suppose we may mean different things by the term.

15:31

someone should do an article on the senator that has "BTCUSD fell -1% on the news"

15:31

my armchair generals are qualified to discuss anything because they once finished a game of starcraft

15:31

and it was really hard.

15:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008772 = 7.4123 BTC [-]

15:32

"mpex drops 1% on news of ceo wasting his time talking to idiots on twitter"

15:32

i'm just a noob to the sheer magnitude of the apparent civilizational decay.

15:32

;;calc (0.00087832 - 0.0008772 )/ 0.00087832

15:32

0.00127516167228

15:32

0.1%

15:33

lol

15:33

(what's the word for what used to be a normal kid, who wants a time machine so he can get clobbered in stalingrad like a real man? 'armchair private' ?)

15:33

btw, ThickAsThieves saves the day. if bitcoin is banned we move to altcoin

15:34

how many folks here were armchair privates?

15:34

asciilifeform i don't think these exist anymore, and if they do exist they're prolly girls.

15:34

wanting to starve as sufragettes or something.

15:34

that's the plan

15:34

mircea_popescu: girls?! explain

15:34

aha

15:34

we must have an "alt"ernative

15:34

maaaaybe some kid wants to be at stonewall

15:34

without even being gay

15:35

the senators web page crashed my Opera

15:35

hax

15:35

(well... he's bicurious. and he thinks he might be gay)

15:35

ThickAsThieves, at your request : Ah, che bel vivere, che bel piacere: per un senatore di qualità! di qualità!

15:36

i requested a mexican translation?

15:36

from "il senatore di faniente", a famous opera

15:36

ah

15:36

lemme see if my portuguese can decipher

15:37

nevermind

15:37

i see my pretty

15:37

for one senator

15:37

maybe i should buy some rosetta stones

15:38

mircea_popescu: modern boys don't want time machine?

15:40

nah

15:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00599999 = 0.378 BTC [+]

15:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49000004 = 2.45 BTC [-] {2}

15:41

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC

15:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00087897 = 3.1203 BTC [+] {2}

15:46

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC

15:52

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10655270/Plan-to-split-California-into-six-states-gains-ground.html

15:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]

15:54

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [+]

15:54

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.00055 = 0.1133 BTC [+]

15:54

http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora/Installing_Eulora

15:54

^ first post :D

15:54

yay!

15:55

ahahaha that icon is deathly cute

15:55

prob needs some editing, i'll take another look over it later. this is my first time writing a wiki article

15:55

i know hey?

15:55

wonder what happens if you poke his nose ;(

15:55

nubbins` btw, you got any crafting done or anything ?

15:56

no, only got as far as the login screen. keyboard input goes to the terminal window rather than the un/pw textboxes

15:56

it's a work in progress ;D

15:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.00087674 = 10.4236 BTC [-] {2}

16:00

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dan-aykroyd-loves-new-face-of-crystal-head-vodka-1.2551755

16:01

in other news, you can buy a fucking glass hockey skate filled with whisky now

16:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00599999 = 0.258 BTC [+]

16:04

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]

16:04

"The hack rates as one of the largest heists in history"

16:04

re saying Gox lost $400m

16:05

by what measure?

16:05

are we actually sure it was a hack?

16:05

lmao mtgox is a hack nao ?

16:05

i'd really like to know what was going on at gox

16:05

i mean, no blockchain info about the 700k bitcoins

16:06

and its unreasonable to think they lost the wallet to the cold storage thing

16:06

azi` dude, they just bundled everything together.

16:06

http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/

16:07

read that and follow the links. you'll get it.

16:08

Havelock's response to my market cap fix request "I will keep you posted on when this will be updated and how."

16:08

doing it just now.. i am wondering if it can change my view that gox was just too incopetent to run this "get bitcoins and run" scheme

16:09

anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ?

16:09

azi` well, let me know.

16:09

crash0verrid3

oooo

16:09

omg someone on twitter just used "Bitcoin is not Quantum Safe, sorry." as an argument

16:10

quantum safe?

16:10

mircea_popescu: so you think it's in no way related to the fact that they had some legal issues with authorities?

16:10

ThickAsThieves: market cap deja vu..

16:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2013#396183

16:10

the case reminds me very much to the case of full tilt poker, really..

16:11

they were stealing large sums of money but everything was fine until the FBI closed them down which caused a panic of withdrawals after reopening

16:11

lnovy

no order sorting? :(

16:11

<asciilifeform> quantum safe? // ya we are at the mercy of vitalik's and jordan ash's turing quantum miners

16:12

azi` basically it's the bitcoinica blueprint rehashed.

16:12

the real fear is luke jr, ThickAsThieves .

16:12

they lost some btc, kept daytrading to make it up, kept losing,

16:12

had various losses here and there

16:12

if you add it all up it's 700k btc or w/e

16:12

most of it was when btc was very cheap

16:13

so this presentation overtstates losses to make a better story.

16:14

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599997 = 0.45 BTC [-]

16:14

http://www.bitcoinnotbombs.com/bitcoin-vs-the-nsas-quantum-computer/

16:14

so today's takeaway is that idiots are remarkable territorial.

16:15

so are cave men

16:18

on top of all the bitcoin experts in #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-etc

16:18

and on top of all the various specialist investors on bitcointalk

16:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00595007 = 0.3273 BTC [-]

16:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]

16:19

http://gawker.com/meth-cook-busted-wearing-los-pollos-hermanos-shirt-from-1531646479

16:20

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00595006 = 0.1964 BTC [-]

16:20

evening all

16:23

is there a place i can easily see who funded the most recent campaigns of a senator?

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06003 = 0.2401 BTC [-]

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-]

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]

16:24

hi

16:24

oops, wasn't scrolled down

16:24

D:

16:25

ll

opensecrets.org ?

16:27

whaddaya know JPMorgan finded Manchin

16:27

funded*

16:28

thanks ll

16:28

derp.

16:29

as i was sayin' to erik, the guy's the clown of all time.

16:29

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/8650

16:29

A. James Manchin either delighted or appalled the West Virginia voters. Many people, especially senior citizens, loved the attention he bestowed upon them later as Secretary of State. He would produce a certificate with a gold star and make quite a production of just about anyone's service to "Mother West Virginia." Giving away his trademark white or black fedora to young teenage boys along the campaign trail, Manch

16:29

in was known to even pull off the road and attend funerals for people he didn't know.

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599999 = 0.204 BTC [+]

16:30

mircea_popescu: is it okay to copy eulora-specific content wholesale from trilema to the wiki? or would you prefer we link to articles

16:31

ideally link

16:31

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00595006 = 0.7497 BTC [-]

16:31

inasmuch as wiki articles are intended ot describe things such as they are, they don't sanely need much more than snippets anwyay

16:31

nod, true

16:32

i mean arguably eulora as-is won't match exactly the eulora as-word-of-god

16:32

hence the utility of a wiki in the first place.

16:32

yeah

16:32

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00595003 = 1.1662 BTC [-] {3}

16:33

so, should the need arise, it's fine to paraphrase/summarize info and link to the relevant blog post?

16:33

sure.

16:33

k

16:33

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Senator_Byrd_funeral_service.jpg

16:33

how come all the us presidents are wearing cheap synthetic suits ?

16:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00573791 = 1.7214 BTC [-] {8}

16:33

cotton/silk shortage

16:34

only jay-z can afford to wear tom ford

16:34

i don't imagine they're trying to buy 50 dollar suits, so you'd expect they could afford something

16:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00570509 = 1.141 BTC [-] {7}

16:35

thestringpuller, are you seriously chasing usagi for money?

16:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00570001 = 0.4446 BTC [-] {3}

16:39

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0056763 = 1.0274 BTC [-] {6}

16:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00581293 = 0.5697 BTC [+] {8}

16:48

ThickAsThieves: no I want to see who the other shareholders were

16:50

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 553 @ 0.00057395 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {4}

16:52

HIF rallymode

16:53

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00586999 = 1.2327 BTC [+] {3}

16:53

i had a mid-december sell order get filled overnight

16:53

!ticker h hif

16:53

[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.00052981 / 0.00057500 (3892 shares, 2.06203014 BTC), 7D: 0.00038617 / 0.00047751 / 0.00057500 (21099 shares, 10.07507839 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00045198 / 0.00057500 (69588 shares, 31.45223437 BTC)

16:54

wow

16:54

has it paid divs?

16:55

no dividends and no financial reports. what exactly are you investing in?

16:55

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00589998 = 0.6726 BTC [+] {3}

16:56

;;calc 100000000*.000575

16:56

57500

16:56

;;ticker

16:56

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 567.67, Best ask: 568.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 568.11, 24 hour volume: 50469.56136110, 24 hour low: 517.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 566.874713657

16:56

hm, supposedly there will be quarterly dividends

16:56

maybe that's why rally

16:56

;;calc 57500*567.67

16:56

32641025.0

16:56

HIF worth $32.6m

16:57

there are 100m units of hif

16:57

yeah

16:57

i'm investing in a cut of listing fees ;p

16:57

the rally is the Neo bump

16:57

reddit went wild and added new users

16:57

this is the first time it's stayed above 0.005 for any length of time since IPO

16:58

i should really add "nubbins" to my highlight list

16:58

not everyone uses tab-complete ;(

16:59

add nub too :)

16:59

their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..

16:59

and nug

16:59

;;calc (6000 /4) / 100000000

16:59

1.5e-05

16:59

i added nubs. worried about false positives

17:00

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00599 = 0.5331 BTC [+] {2}

17:00

;;calc .00006 / .000575

17:00

0.104347826087

17:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.005998 = 0.6658 BTC [+] {3}

17:02

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00599363 = 0.7912 BTC [-] {3}

17:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1537 @ 0.00599579 = 9.2155 BTC [+] {7}

17:08

<ThickAsThieves> HIF worth $32.6m <<< 1/10 of Bank of Cyprus ?

17:09

nubbins` the ` is silly anyway

17:10

YOU'RE SILLY

17:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0059 = 0.3422 BTC [-]

17:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.0059 = 0.8083 BTC [-]

17:15

lol

17:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00087658 = 53.0769 BTC [-] {4}

17:16

p liked the shepherd's pie i made

17:17

"the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said

17:17

she suggested i write a book

17:17

everyone likes fucking people who cook well

17:20

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [+]

17:22

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]

17:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599 = 0.1318 BTC [+]

17:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]

17:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 379 @ 0.0059 = 2.2361 BTC [-] {3}

17:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899 BTC [+]

17:33

"u wanna get fucked? i wanna steak. i'm sure we can figure something out here."

17:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00597 = 0.6627 BTC [+]

17:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6589 BTC [+]

17:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00598192 = 0.7059 BTC [-] {6}

17:36

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00596876 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {5}

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00597999 = 0.5502 BTC [+] {2}

17:44

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 221 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3216 BTC [+]

17:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.1155 = 1.0395 BTC [-] {2}

17:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00597999 = 0.2452 BTC [+]

17:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1973 BTC [+]

17:48

mike_c: FYI, i get a "Database error" page every time i commit an update -- doesn't seem to affect anything tho

17:48

Official Neo Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5394823#msg5394823

17:48

hm. ok, i'll check it out

17:48

"A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software."

17:49

some funny pics of people looking at people's asses in there

17:49

like half the pics really lol

17:52

why is the merchant copy printed first on the terminal

17:53

to annoy i guess

17:53

my question would be, why is there a merchant copy

17:54

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 525 @ 0.00598175 = 3.1404 BTC [+] {3}

17:54

how many suits does it take to cut the entrance rope?

17:54

record keeping!

17:54

OH WAIT

17:54

rope has infinite hit points

17:54

but srs, paper trail

17:54

so print a daily report?

17:54

same reason voting machines have printouts

17:54

hourly?

17:54

(do they?)

17:54

i dunno

17:54

i'm guessing, we use paper+pencil to vote here in canada

17:55

rope can be overtaken but you need strategy, raw power wont do

17:55

voting isnt even standardized

17:55

voting in usa seems like a mess

17:55

by design

17:55

to enable fraud

17:57

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0055 = 0.1045 BTC

17:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 456 @ 0.00599617 = 2.7343 BTC [+] {3}

17:58

http://bitcoinful.com/post/77908378925/hitler-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash

17:59

yes i was afraid of that.

17:59

when will we see dogecoin-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash

18:00

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00599896 = 1.0198 BTC [+] {2}

18:00

when will my palm divorce my face

18:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.005999 = 0.144 BTC [+]

18:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088005 = 9.9886 BTC [+]

18:01

"The variety of these businesses is excellent, and a future where Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros only to pay government institutions is within sight."

18:01

ThickAsThieves what /

18:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00598 = 0.2631 BTC [-]

18:03

don't tell me somebody took a text with "euro" in it and tried to s/euro/bitcoin by hand

18:03

and failed at it.

18:04

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00598 = 2.99 BTC [-]

18:04

hmm?

18:05

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00598 = 0.4605 BTC [-]

18:05

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC

18:05

cypriots can not currently use euros to pay taxes ?

18:05

it's a twisty sentence that's supposed to say he thinks bitcoin can be the main means of commerce

18:05

ah the placement of only is what;s confusing

18:05

he means "to only use euros to pay" ?

18:06

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1322 @ 0.00055 = 0.7271 BTC [-] {2}

18:06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_2Ofv1L9CU

18:06

Greeks Anything you can do we already did better - YouTube

18:06

thx

18:06

yes

18:06

i'll get it fixt

18:06

to only use euros

18:07

s/only/solely

18:07

"...Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros solely to pay government institutions"

18:07

well i guess the part where his feedback sources are tardtalk, tarddit and tardtweer is oddly adequate.

18:08

"can not write copy, great results from the pleb venues"

18:08

yesterday i learned that all that shit in the bible about speaking in tongues is pretty much only in the english versions

18:09

Vexual

wanna hear confusing, i woke up with a ticket to macau

18:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+]

18:09

in which hole?

18:09

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1663645/plain/)

18:09

!b 3

18:10

glory

18:10

how long had you been saving that one k ?

18:10

he has it on trigger

18:10

lol i didnt

18:11

okay, at the risk of yammering on about something nobody cares about

18:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00599999 = 0.27 BTC [+]

18:11

mark is chronologically the first gospel

18:11

not only does it make no mention of a virgin birth -- in fact, jesus is referred to as a son of mary -- but it ends when jesus dies.

18:12

they go to the tomb, and a young man -- not an angel -- says:

18:12

“Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing.

18:12

AND THAT'S THE END OF THE BOOK.

18:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599999 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}

18:12

blasphemy!

18:13

centuries later it was felt that this was improper, because all the subsequent gospels have shit about virgin births and resurrections

18:13

not particularly novel this you know ?

18:13

so they tacked on an ending to it

18:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.061687 = 0.3701 BTC [+] {3}

18:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}

18:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}

18:13

new to me ;)

18:13

kinda xtianity 101 in actual academia.

18:13

sadly, i wasted my university years studying science instead

18:14

Vexual

anrthropology?

18:14

history of religion too.

18:14

vexual, math

18:14

there's about four different humanities paths that end up there

18:15

anyone have thoughts on LASIK?

18:15

will i go blind at 60?

18:15

anthropology is actually Arts, not Science, here

18:15

(fwiw, math can be studied as either)

18:15

ThickAsThieves i know some chicks that got it.

18:15

Vexual

lasers in the eye is never good tat

18:16

never?

18:16

i have a few friends who tried lasik

18:16

they say they wish they'd done it years before

18:16

my wife got it, but like i love my vision so much i'm scared to improve it

18:16

she's 20/15 now

18:16

yeah, one friend said he has better than 20/20 now

18:16

women generally do it because there's few good woman looks that include glasses.

18:17

http://heddalettuce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nana_mouskouri1.jpg

18:17

meh

18:17

hehe

18:17

contacts work too

18:17

yeah but contacts are a bitch.

18:17

but i dont wear thos eeither

18:17

yep

18:17

everyone remembers that ancient sf story where the 'last man alive' find food and a library, and then his glasses break?

18:18

bummer

18:18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPRZ9S-qbI

18:18

Harry Potter Epilogue - Saturday Night Live - YouTube

18:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00598 = 0.5382 BTC [-]

18:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00088005 = 13.2888 BTC [+]

18:24

asciilifeform: wasn't that a twilight zone episode?

18:24

TomServo: maybe

18:25

i distinctly recall reading it on paper though.

18:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00485313 = 0.9706 BTC [+] {4}

18:26

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxARJyaTEA

18:26

Time Enough at Last - YouTube

18:26

Yeah, it really stuck with me.

18:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uywK1QVNuNU

18:28

Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma - Saturday Night Live - YouTube

18:28

check it out, emma stone playing bitcoin.

18:29

asciilifeform: The episode was adapted from a short story written by Marilyn Venable

18:33

not available in my country

18:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+]

18:33

lol that show

18:34

ThickAsThieves you gotta be kidding me

18:34

no kidding

18:34

http://screen.yahoo.com/emma-stone-monologue-nerds-love-000000328.html

18:34

Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma | Saturday Night Live - Yahoo Screen

18:34

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438818270381355008

18:34

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/KLdTeXC4Kb Emma ...

18:35

im putting the link here because something tells me im gonna need it a lot on twitter

18:35

and that thing is so fucking badly organised you can never find anything.

18:37

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}

18:39

damnit

18:39

I just found great place to organise finest Bitcoin *meetup* https://www.facebook.com/352009638172552/photos/pb.352009638172552.-2207520000.1393457939./381744045199111/?type=3&theater

18:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599999 = 0.144 BTC [+]

18:40

golf in Bratislava?

18:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00088005 = 5.0849 BTC [+]

18:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061687 = 0.2467 BTC [+]

18:44

well, funny is, that resort is just 21 km from Bratislava, not far from border in Hungary, but owned by Slovak group.

18:48

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00599998 = 1.008 BTC [-]

18:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.499 BTC [+]

18:55

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]

18:59

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599998 = 0.204 BTC [-]

18:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 9.18620878 BTC to 18`934 shares, 48517 satoshi per share

19:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]

19:01

the best of course would be this resort five miles out of budapest owned by some slovak people staffed only with czech chicks, serving only slovenian food and with nothing but serbian customers.

19:01

i hope i covered them all.

19:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00599998 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2}

19:03

mircea_popescu: now that you mention it, what's your official take on the serbs ?

19:04

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00599998 = 0.318 BTC [-]

19:05

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00599998 = 0.282 BTC [-]

19:05

i love belgrade

19:05

you ever been ?

19:06

mircea_popescu: nope. is it still worth going to after the great clobbering?

19:06

surely.

19:06

the great clobbering looks great especially from the us. otherwise, they have a bombed building downtown which they're pretty much preserving as is

19:07

and otherwise you couldn't tell, even in 2007

19:07

i know a fellow who went, and saw the famous airplane

19:07

roads on average better than massachusetts anyway

19:07

(what's left of it)

19:08

mircea_popescu: obligatory on topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1jAmL-rfXU

19:08

aha

19:09

anyway, no, belgrade is good because hilly town -> nice asses and legs on the teens and tweennysomethings, and good nightlife.

19:09

kinda difficult to hire competent waiters in fucking topeka.

19:09

in belgrade there are people who have worked at it for three generations or more.

19:10

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1055 = 0.5275 BTC [+]

19:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599999 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}

19:12

"if you convince affluent & educated people something is healthy, it soon ends up correlated with health."

19:12

dude not everyone on twitter is retarded!

19:14

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599999 = 0.198 BTC [+]

19:15

"Is Mark Karpeles buying goxcoin on bitcoinbuilder?? Huge discount could revive Mt.Gox. 50k sold in the last 3 days....hmmm"

19:16

"please care about our shitty website"

19:17

re: belgrade: wonder how many americans would curl up and cry if given an uncensored tour of some place not inhabited by 'human lite' (orlov's phrase, not mine)

19:17

asciilifeform generally, all.

19:17

i used to do it for sport.

19:18

drag americans to see real life?

19:18

possibly the peak of it all was the one tme in NY when mugger wouldn't mug me

19:18

"just these other schmucks"

19:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00088292 = 10.286 BTC [+] {2}

19:18

lol

19:19

imported mugger? or homegrown american

19:19

then the street cops were like... one laughing his ass off, the other looking all suspicious at me

19:19

i have no idea, prolly local.

19:19

some random mutt

19:19

"Sure. Just outlining that @twobitidiot is a friend of #bitcoin. His leak seems no more self-serving than @BTCFoundation"

19:19

biglols!

19:19

ThickAsThieves they're new.

19:20

ok ok

19:20

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

19:20

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.0055 = 0.605 BTC

19:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00087787 = 32.7446 BTC [-] {3}

19:22

i like how bitcoin might be the first thing since Bill Clinton to get people under 35 to care about politics again

19:22

i thought occupy was that.

19:22

nah

19:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]

19:22

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00599998 = 0.318 BTC [-] {2}

19:22

senators will know the wrath of reddit like never before

19:22

lmao

19:22

i hope they have troll spray

19:22

do senators even know what reddit is ?

19:23

theyll have no choice

19:23

i mean... it's like a truck right ?

19:23

reddit is already demanding an AMA

19:23

the toilet attached to the 'series of pipes'

19:23

someone should do a proper set of questions re AMA.

19:23

you should do an AMA

19:23

"Did you ever fuck a woman hard enough to end up past her cervix"

19:24

"Was it your wife"

19:24

lol

19:24

lol

19:24

ThickAsThieves i did, on something awful. they had a series of aneurisms,

19:24

you need to work on your brand bro!

19:24

so reddit can sum you up in 5 words

19:24

do oyu mean my band or my brand ?

19:25

i'm cool with either

19:25

o i was getting free fashion advice from some musical talent on twitter earlier

19:25

and also strategy pointers from some webmaster

19:25

i saw hehe

19:25

take them suits down a notch

19:25

too many buttoned buttons

19:25

twss.

19:26

no but srsly, it's ridiculous, we counted once. the total count of clothing items on ALL THE GIRLS

19:26

was less than the shit i wore.

19:26

i had 18 things on!

19:26

see that's branding

19:26

you get it

19:26

mircea_popescu: what were you wearing, plate mail?

19:26

sounds more like medieval knighting

19:27

Mircea Popescu Slave-Driving Billionaire Benevolent 18-piece Suit Aficionado

19:27

asciilifeform lol. well, jacket, vest, tie, shirt, undershirt

19:27

there's a lot of crap that goes into dressing a man.

19:27

shit i forgot to get Bitcoin in there

19:27

whereas women can get away with one sheer dress and shoes.

19:27

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 209 @ 0.0008841 = 0.1848 BTC [-]

19:28

that's... 5 ?

19:28

"Women entrepreneurs, @Square is celebrating you with an event, & @Maggie will teach you important things:"

19:29

asciilifeform hat, gloves, shoes, socks, complex supports and fulcrums for my cock and balls...

19:29

complex supports and fulcrums << codpiece ?!

19:30

o btw

19:30

Yet the speaking public imagines #Bitcoin gives a shit @Recode A Long Tail of Whales: Half of Mobile Games Money Comes From 0.15% of Players

19:30

asciilifeform lol nah. but longjohns!

19:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49947999 BTC [+]

19:31

thought we were going to have a lot more volatility yesterday than we did

19:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1055 = 0.422 BTC [+]

19:31

seems the market has already shrugged off and forgotten Mt.Cox

19:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]

19:35

"Not for #WomenInTech @Jane_Barratt Is pregnancy an indicator of engagement? @johnsonwhitney @thelist @RuthAnnH"

19:38

Is Mark actually using the I forgot the password defense?

19:38

where?

19:38

;;ticker --market all

19:38

MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 593.0, vol: 48924.47505468 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 572.93, vol: 32765.22516 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 596.0, vol: 37428.61558769 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.07, vol: 363.66288534 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 583.06265, vol: 14593.70900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 587.870330844

19:39

mircea_popescu: interesting re: serbo-croatian 'urban dictionary' - http://iraan.livejournal.com/426330.html

19:39

Bugpowder gotta play the entire book.

19:39

when i said they're redoing bitcoinica i meant it.

19:39

Bugpowder: sauce?

19:39

'ruska joga' (russian yoga) - to drink and fall asleep in amazing positions

19:39

AMAZING COMPANY!

19:39

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00599999 = 1.5 BTC [+] {2}

19:40

so fucking funny

19:40

On the plane back to LA

19:40

or 'Лучше когда русские тебе отключат газ, чем немцы – пустят.' (better when the russians turn off your gas, then when germans open up the gas.'

19:40

Time to work on my mtgox address analysis again.

19:40

albanian tourism lol

19:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

19:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00088305 = 13.9522 BTC [+]

19:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2}

19:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

19:41

Боснийская пирамида ya right lol.

19:42

they actually have this pyramid-shaped oddity there, i'm told

19:42

tourist trap

19:43

i never heard of it

19:43

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanagi%C4%87_pyramid_hypothesis

19:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10589999 BTC [+]

19:44

"В Америке нигга, а в Белграде – цига"

19:44

lol

19:44

this is possibly the mother of all false friends.

19:44

they think black people are a sort of us gypsies, but heh.

19:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25840 @ 0.0008855 = 22.8813 BTC [+]

19:45

Цыганский год ahahaha ok that i've heard.

19:45

'Украинец' (ukrainian) - infected usb stick.

19:45

not just a tourist trap, some people are real belivers

19:45

amusingly, romanian uses "cat's tits" to indicate superlative achievement.

19:45

american 'cat's meow'

19:45

i have seen them with my own eyes and ears.

19:46

(where this expression came from, i never knew)

19:46

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-cybercrime-databreach-idUSBREA1O20S20140225

19:46

360 million newly stolen credentials on black market: cybersecurity firm

19:46

gpx seelling out?

19:46

*gox

19:47

gox has only 1 mil

19:47

ic

19:48

in romanian it's probably cause it rhymes. tita de mita, t͡sɨt͡sa dø mɨt͡sa

19:49

neat!

19:49

now that you sounded it out, i'm pretty sure i heard it as a kid somewhere.

19:50

bee's knees is also onomatopaeic so there's a thick line of that.

19:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11749998 = 0.235 BTC [+]

19:51

amusingly : romanians are universally convinced (through the virtues of nutty p;rimary education) that "romanian is the only language which is written as it is heard"

19:52

on the grounds that "of course" t, is read as t͡s

19:52

http://trilema.com/2010/singura-limba-care/ if you care to read about me mocking them

19:52

Singura limba care pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:52

seems like everyone with at least a minimally non-braindamaged language grows up convinced of this re: the language

19:53

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]

19:53

http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ < and that re the utter pointlessness of "diacritics"

19:53

Grafia istorica a limbii romane pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:54

asciilifeform yeah, i'd say it's a good predictor of sovereignity really.

19:55

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-]

19:55

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

19:55

this post was... a call to throw out 'euro' keyboards?

19:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06002501 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {3}

19:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-] {3}

19:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}

19:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]

19:58

if you say write ass you speak and read as it is written, i say serbian

19:58

lol ass. as.

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49948 = 0.999 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00599999 = 0.234 BTC [+]

20:00

pretty much

20:00

kakobrekla clearly your point is innvalid

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

20:01

asciilifeform i've used the same us standard layout since the 80s.

20:01

back then it plugged into a XT

20:02

mircea_popescu nah, you havent seen serbian subs.

20:02

you mean sandwiches ?

20:02

or like subtitles ?

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no

20:02

yes

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if (no ==== yes) eval (kako is a girl)

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anyway, that shit is hilarious.

20:04

i can't really comfortably read serbian fast enough to watch a movie

20:05

dont blame you

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599999 = 0.102 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 550 @ 0.00593959 = 3.2668 BTC [-] {8}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.507519 = 2.0301 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00599998 = 0.156 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00017293 = 0.2594 BTC [-] {8}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097888 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00599997 = 0.384 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0059 = 0.2655 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10432 @ 0.00088574 = 9.24 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.48375982 = 15.4803 BTC [-] {13}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.0059 = 0.8142 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.471025 = 3.7682 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 634 @ 0.00461008 = 2.9228 BTC [-] {19}

~ 16 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 629 @ 0.0059 = 3.7111 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32745 @ 0.00088363 = 28.9345 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 106 @ 0.46069962 = 48.8342 BTC [-] {35}

20:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18783 @ 0.00087803 = 16.492 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 555 @ 0.00599869 = 3.3293 BTC [+] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599997 = 0.144 BTC [+]

20:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 482 @ 0.00599998 = 2.892 BTC [+] {3}

20:48

BREAKING: Full Mt. Gox story coming... (self.Bitcoin)

20:48

submitted 24 minutes ago by twobitidiot

20:48

I now have all of the pieces to the #mtgox puzzle. Mt. Gox acted alone and in desperation. Comprehensive post after I lawyer up.

20:48

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589 = 0.3177 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06168599 = 0.1234 BTC [+]

20:49

well with who else would they be acting?

20:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.06168689 = 1.2337 BTC [+] {3}

20:50

lol he finally got through the trilema posts ?

20:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1400 @ 0.00593031 = 8.3024 BTC [-] {6}

20:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00087803 = 25.858 BTC [-]

20:53

from the dark depths of the lulz mines: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/26/boeing_black/

20:58

Hi

20:59

hello

21:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00087656 = 21.1251 BTC [-] {2}

21:00

first of all, I'd like to excuse myself for some dumb stuff I might say...I have no tech nor economics formal background, interested in austrian economics as a hobbist

21:00

may I ask a few questions?

21:01

It seems here's a better place to do so rather than reddit or bitcointalk

21:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599993 = 0.24 BTC [-]

21:04

proceed

21:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.47979998 = 4.798 BTC [+] {5}

21:05

basically what would be your expectations of the consequences of a formal US government (declaraton of) ban of bitcoin. Even as noob as I was, I do not fear stuff as ~bitcoin will die~

21:05

But would it be able to deter widespread adoption in a matter of generations?

21:05

such as with marijuana?

21:06

given the different dynamics of drugs and currency

21:06

nfi, i'm a dimwit and just lurk

21:06

what would be your expectations

21:06

duduqa: generations!? usg is going the way of ck-kpss within the lives of those now living.

21:06

asciilifeform: I think so

21:07

asciilifeform: unpayable debt, moral degradation fueled by inflation and welfare state etc

21:08

(brazilian here, english not that good, sorry)

21:08

moral degradation, you'd fit in well at /pol/

21:09

no one knows which politician will stand on what kind of tank and proclaim 'the former u.s.a...' but we've all seen this play before.

21:09

asciilifeform: sorry, I couldn't understand

21:12

duduqa: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54697000/jpg/_54697295_tank_reu464.jpg

21:13

asciilifeform: :)

21:13

oh no. I just discovered archive.org's 42 gig mame collection.

21:14

diametric: now all that remains is to buy a 'JXD' and say good-bye to productive career...

21:14

JXD?

21:15

http://wiki.dingoonity.org/index.php?title=Other_Devices:JXD_S7800B

21:15

Other Devices:JXD S7800B - Dingoonity Wiki

21:15

asciilifeform: do you envision the possibility of bitpay and coinbase being shut down, as well as second market's BIT, bitcointalk and localbitcoins.com etc vanishing from america?

21:15

oh nice

21:15

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.48 = 2.88 BTC [+]

21:16

duduqa: i can easily see a 'great firewall of usa' scenario

21:16

use your imagination.

21:17

asciilifeform: we are talking about a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge power, which is being the printer of the world's reserve currency

21:17

asciilifeform: that's too much of a honeypot to let go without a good fight

21:17

duduqa , somewhat relevant http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ and http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/

21:18

duduqa: in english, 'honeypot' generally refers to a trap.

21:18

like a mousetrap

21:18

asciilifeform: sorry

21:18

asciilifeform: let me clarify...that's too much power to let go

21:19

kakobrekla: I will carefully read, thank you

21:21

asciilifeform: I can also imagine a scenario in which such firewall happens to take place in the EU, China, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Russia, UAE, South America etc

21:21

fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin

21:22

ThickAsThieves: on the contrary, usg can ban whatever it likes. for instance, it is a serious crime in the u.s. to go to a bank and withdraw $2999.99.

21:22

(check with lawyer for the current magic number.)

21:22

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 302 @ 0.00599 = 1.809 BTC [-]

21:22

as disruptive to politics/government/central banks as bitcoin can be, I expect it to be treated and regarded as pedophilia in a short time

21:22

i don't believe it is agile enough to anything meaningful quickly enough to matter

21:23

asciilifeform: yep, the "it's ridiculous" argument doesn't stand in such discussion

21:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00599 = 2.396 BTC [-]

21:23

ThickAsThieves: what saves us from bureaucracy is its inefficiency, indeed

21:23

duduqa: expect to see many 'ridiculous' things come alive.

21:23

asciilifeform: I see them everyday, and it drives me pretty depressed

21:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [-]

21:24

opponents of severe regulation/banning exist

21:24

and are vocal

21:25

and the arguments against bitcoin bring to the table equal criticisms on the dollar

21:25

it's very difficult to argue away

21:25

also banning it is moot

21:25

asciilifeform: the question i ask is "would the adoption from small places such as cyprus, or Honduras ZEDEs, or African regions be enough to bring such wealth and power to overcome bitcoin's adversaries?"

21:25

the way bans normally work in the u.s. (and elsewhere) is that the infrastructure needed for a proper ban is created under the pretext of 'humane' and 'reasonable' regulation

21:26

then somebody merely needs to turn the dial

21:26

from 'low' to 'max'

21:26

asciilifeform: I never played poker, so I was not aware of the tremendous resources usg spent fighting against it

21:26

furthermore, i believe hostility towards such innovation truly will lead to exodus

21:26

not of everyone

21:26

just the useful people

21:26

ThickAsThieves: do you think so?

21:27

ThickAsThieves: where to?

21:27

i know it would be the last straw for me

21:27

<ThickAsThieves> just the useful people // yeah as mircea said

21:27

even Canada would be an upgrade

21:27

it already is

21:27

ThickAsThieves: if you're able to leave now, but are waiting for the ban... what are you smoking.

21:28

i'm not waiting for anything but my wife to take me seriously

21:28

lol

21:28

:/

21:28

put it on my grave i guess

21:28

ThickAsThieves: did you read that document which presumably states that canada govt intends to choke bitcoin's infrastructure?

21:28

no

21:29

find it hard to believe as well

21:29

http://blogs.wsj.com/canadarealtime/2014/02/11/canada-regulators-look-at-ways-to-get-a-better-handle-on-bitcoin/

21:29

Canada Regulators Look at Ways to Get a Better Handle on Bitcoin - Canada Real Time - WSJ

21:29

'wisdom is - getting on the train one day before everybody else.' (attributed to leo szilard)

21:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38711 @ 0.00087608 = 33.9139 BTC [-] {3}

21:29

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]

21:29

stopping bitcoin will work about as well as stopping piracy.

21:30

diametric: are you sure? it seems money operates under different dynamics

21:30

diametric:it doesn't matter to you if only 5% adopt piracy

21:31

btc is one thing, if you're handling u.s. dollar transactions from strangers, you'll be set up with a stoolie

21:31

it is a whole different deal if only 0.05% embrace a currency

21:31

i believe this is called 'controlled buy' by u.s. polizei

21:31

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00599998 = 6 BTC [+] {4}

21:31

and what do they do about people already "in" bitcoin, yknow it doesnt require cashing out to use

21:31

public exchanges are easy, defenceless targets.

21:32

asciilifeform: exactly

21:32

asciilifeform: localbitcoins.com as well

21:32

asciilifeform: bitcointalk too

21:32

they cant just erase the tech

21:32

it exists

21:32

assimilate or eliminate

21:32

asciilifeform: I can easily imagine agents infiltrated in facebook groups to refrain people

21:33

duduqa: i think you'd be surprised the number of people that pirate content.

21:33

but yeah its not a great analogy

21:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51268 @ 0.0008752 = 44.8698 BTC [-] {4}

21:33

i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments

21:34

ThickAsThieves: the power of issuing global's reserve currency is enormous

21:34

i'll repeat what i've said in the past:

21:34

invent the parachute before, not after, being thrown.

21:34

and once we enter another bubble, a lot more people will put money into bitcoin

21:35

we can just buy off all the politicians if we need to

21:35

i know you dont like them, but i'd love to donate to your campaign

21:36

in bitcoin

21:36

ThickAsThieves: no we can't

21:36

ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd

21:36

true

21:36

asciilifeform: perfect

21:36

but this senator is singing for 30k

21:36

<asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd // he has a point

21:36

i guess thats just whats on record

21:36

ThickAsThieves: do you really believe those figures?

21:36

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [-]

21:36

nah

21:37

I am a deep believer of bitcoin/crypto's ultimate success

21:37

30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota.

21:37

but I ask myself if it might take generations to happen

21:37

wait

21:37

you can buy a senator for 30k?

21:37

prices have gone down

21:37

i just have real difficulty imagining the USG's ability and story of how it may ban crypto

21:37

lol

21:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16282 @ 0.00087407 = 14.2316 BTC [-]

21:37

i thought it was 100k

21:37

min

21:37

I thought it was 1m min

21:38

nah thats congress bro

21:38

ThickAsThieves: they are able to push this "money laundering" talk based on nothing

21:38

senators are cheapp

21:38

and what if dollar laundering

21:38

depends what you want. if all you want is for them to send a letter, it's cheap.

21:38

you already have fincen on record saying it's worse

21:38

ThickAsThieves: they were cynnical enough to say they dumped osama's body on the sea

21:38

ie. there never was osama

21:38

lol

21:39

ALL LIES

21:39

ThickAsThieves: they can change oppinion as quick as Sen Schumer

21:39

all that 6-year old plot, Obama whatching on a big screen, live...and sheeple swallowed

21:40

what about banning a cryptocurrwhatever

21:40

it would barely be news in Brazil

21:40

much less a discussion

21:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00599999 = 0.264 BTC [+]

21:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7531 @ 0.00087803 = 6.6124 BTC [+]

21:45

kakobrekla: read http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ and couldn't agree more

21:46

lol.. so latest story going around is MtGox's cold storage failed. As in they can't get the private keys to work properly..

21:46

I kind of want it to be that, because thats just hilarious

21:46

Pete confuses "vast" majority with social media majority

21:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30011 @ 0.00087546 = 26.2734 BTC [-]

21:48

I believe merchant adoption is just a malformed precursor to the 100% Pure Bitcoin Closed Loop Movement

21:49

ThickAsThieves: don't you expect a war against usg before that?

21:50

as in people invading US soil?

21:50

not sure the relation you mean here

21:52

maybe gox's coins were confiscated

21:53

ThickAsThieves: don't you expect usg banning bitcoin before that happens

21:54

i do not expect the US to ban it at all

21:55

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00594256 = 2.9713 BTC [-] {6}

21:55

how does cold storage fail? Do they lose the key?

21:55

pretty much

21:55

I agree with TAT, I think the USG is too weak to actually ban bitcoin

21:56

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00053999 = 0.54 BTC [-]

21:57

theyll prioritize AML at the fiat entry points, then taxation

21:57

As to asciilifeform's point about outbidding the fiat printers, I think that's quite possible in an environment where bitcoin is melting up

21:57

think owning gold in Weimar Germany

21:58

the trick about taxation is a personally believe the IRS' grip on auditing to be a myth

21:58

it's all automation

21:58

except if you actually get audited by a human

21:59

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 212 @ 0.00053997 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {2}

21:59

wouldnt that require every citizen to audit his neighbor?

21:59

the work is unfathomable

21:59

oh, it would be a lottery

21:59

only the unlucky will be culled

22:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59542 @ 0.00087273 = 51.9641 BTC [-] {4}

22:00

more likely they sum up the amount of eligible tax deductions unclaimed against likely total of fraud and make sure they are still on winning side and call it a day

22:01

then spend any real work pursuing Google and Apple

22:01

etc

22:01

until there are real laws on the books it's going to be hard to prosecute bitcoin transactions for tax evasion

22:01

is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'?

22:02

IRS would have any easier time if they adopted bitcoin really

22:02

if you pay any tax at all on your bitcoin you probably are safe

22:02

^ i'm not sure about that

22:02

i suspect the word bitcoin in your taxes will put you on some list

22:02

well don't put bitcoin on your taxes duh

22:02

better to just call it some other type of broader income

22:03

exactly. If you have records and a tax return to show you paid something, you are not going to be a target

22:03

at least, it ought to be laughed out of court

22:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

22:07

IRS i imagine will/can treat bitcoin just like transactions or barter

22:07

probably

22:07

supposedly they are going to issue guidance at some point

22:07

Either they'll treat it like cash, make coinbase/kraken issue 1099Ks or make bitcoiners issue 1099c

22:07

that's where the 'land of the free' is today - waiting for government employees to issue instructions

22:08

I was involved in a decently sized digital currency long before bitcoin, and the IRS just told them to issue 1099c to everyone who participated, the barter clause has been around for 50+ years

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1028 BTC [-]

22:11

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

22:24

lol there's a Dota 2 official fantasy league now

22:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00589988 = 5.8999 BTC [-] {6}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.494 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49499999 = 0.99 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00598999 = 0.8386 BTC [+] {2}

22:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.495 = 3.465 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00598996 = 0.2636 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.117499 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10280001 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

22:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14487 @ 0.00085811 = 12.4314 BTC [-]

22:51

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 171 @ 0.00599 = 1.0243 BTC [+]

22:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17163 @ 0.00085811 = 14.7277 BTC [-]

22:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598997 = 0.2995 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 366 @ 0.0059994 = 2.1958 BTC [+] {3}

23:08

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57619592-38/sen-manchin-demands-complete-us-ban-on-bitcoin/

23:08

Sen. Manchin demands complete US ban on Bitcoin | Politics and Law - CNET News

23:09

He's gonna lose his seat anyway

23:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.0059999 = 0.498 BTC [+]

23:13

good luck with that Sen

23:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19373 @ 0.00084702 = 16.4093 BTC [-]

23:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 297 @ 0.00599998 = 1.782 BTC [+]

23:17

he's already on the block for supporting gun control in west virgina

23:18

purpose of this joker is to push 'overton window.'

23:19

after him, 'reasonable, humane regulation' will slip by quietly.

23:23

makes sense

23:32

.d

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3.130 billion | Next Diff in 257 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.2684% in 1d 10h 2m 54s

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00599998 = 0.168 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00599998 = 0.222 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00599998 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059995 = 0.168 BTC [-]

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