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00:02 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
00:02 ben_vulpes bitcoin realized means more or less "profit"
00:03 Vexual Yeah, forever profits?
00:04 ben_vulpes whaddaya mean "forever"?
00:04 Vexual since forever
00:05 Vexual 2009
00:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00065245 = 6.7202 BTC [+]
00:06 Vexual or perhaps you pay where you think some other entity might lay claim
00:07 ben_vulpes well pre 2015 bitcoin barely matters in the world at large
00:09 Vexual yes i see
00:21 cazalla "If bitcoin were allowed to co-­‐exist as “legal tender” it could also create a situation where under Gresham’s Law “Bad money drives out good”. In such a scenario, bad currency (bitcoin) would be used and good currency (US Dollar) would be hoarded, creating greater economic instability."
00:21 cazalla hoarding usd, nice one
00:24 Vexual i read about that gut that printed $200 million, he hoarded it
00:25 Vexual cut a deal to keep his shed-load off the streets
00:26 Vexual it's in gq
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00:42 BingoBoingo !Up RetroUPriser
00:43 RetroUPriser How's it going? I was going to see if mircea_popescu was active and willing to play a game of chess,
00:45 BingoBoingo Ah
00:46 BingoBoingo Things are going
00:46 ben_vulpes RetroUPriser: you may get a game out of BingoBoingo
00:47 BingoBoingo Nah, I'm not drunk enough to chess tonight.
00:47 RetroUPriser I've played him before
00:47 RetroUPriser and that seems like the typical answer
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01:04 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/professor-bitcorn-talks-top-ten-risks-associated-with-bitcoin/
01:06 cazalla ooh knocked glass off table onto open case.. lucky i drank the water in it just a few minutes ago
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01:22 mircea_popescu http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu/answer/122233688968 < ok who was the smartass ?
01:24 mircea_popescu <cazalla> hoarding usd, nice one << such lmao.
01:24 mircea_popescu "let us make claims backwards! it's almost like science!"
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01:46 decimation ben_vulpes: re: sbcl < neat link thanks
01:51 decimation hoarding usd << lol. actually there's a great deal of certainty about the dollar, it's just that the certainty is that there is no fixed number of dollars, never has been, never will be
01:52 decimation "Under the Bitcoin model, those who create the algorithm, protocol, manage the transactional ledger and mine virtual currencies would become the new central bankers, controlling a monetary basis, an immense power and responsibility." << lol yeah that's a 'risk'
01:54 decimation the whole reason bitcoin is even mildly compelling is because those 'central bankers' who are currently 'controlling money' are fucking things up royally
02:02 ben_vulpes well that was odd.
02:05 decimation kicked?
02:07 ben_vulpes remote emacs client straight up died.
02:11 BingoBoingo http://bitcoinmagazine.com/17439/bitcoin-we-are-all-the-blockchain/ written by this guy http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html
02:17 ben_vulpes "However, the real value of Bitcoin is not reaped at an individual level." << he's spot on, though - it's about raping at a collective level
02:19 ben_vulpes actually i'm noping the fuck out of this article.
02:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00064966 = 8.7704 BTC [-]
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02:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00065096 = 3.4826 BTC [+]
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03:16 BingoBoingo !up saifedean
03:19 jurov !mpif
03:19 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
03:20 mircea_popescu who the fuck are all these derps lmao.
03:21 mircea_popescu seems timmy swanson was just the tip of the shitberg.
03:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21479 @ 0.0006511 = 13.985 BTC [+] {2}
03:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8421 @ 0.00065239 = 5.4938 BTC [+]
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03:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00065239 = 12.2649 BTC [+]
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05:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5346 @ 0.00065017 = 3.4758 BTC [-]
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05:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811 @ 0.00065017 = 1.1775 BTC [-]
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06:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00064794 = 7.7429 BTC [-] {2}
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07:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00064775 = 12.0805 BTC [-] {2}
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08:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1759 @ 0.00064775 = 1.1394 BTC [-]
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00064775 = 2.6234 BTC [-]
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09:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00064725 = 8.3172 BTC [-] {3}
09:14 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Alibaba shares above 115 before November 25th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1048/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 77(Y):23(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.60440399 BTC. Current weight: 15,613.
09:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00064687 = 4.9162 BTC [-]
09:28 TomServo Ahoy
09:30 TomServo http://bitbet.us/bet/1068/joepa-gets-his-wins-back/ <- bet text says 'before 2105' instead of 2015.
09:30 assbot BitBet - JoePA gets his wins back :: 0.06 B (46%) on Yes, 0.07 B (54%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 96`366 (100`000 to 1)
09:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17972 @ 0.00064793 = 11.6446 BTC [+]
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10:19 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/national-bank-of-ukraine-bitcoin-not-to-be-used-for-payments/
10:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13592 @ 0.00064745 = 8.8001 BTC [-] {2}
10:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16008 @ 0.00064884 = 10.3866 BTC [+] {2}
10:36 BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/11/mrsa-2/
10:36 assbot Devious MRSA Spider Bites Yet Another Antecubital Fossa; Remains at Large | GomerBlog
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10:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26313 @ 0.00064687 = 17.0211 BTC [-]
10:58 BingoBoingo http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6009519&cid=48350225
10:58 assbot Espionage Campaign Targets Corporate Executives Traveling Abroad - Slashdot
11:04 rithm http://status.ovh.net/?do=details&id=8120
11:04 assbot OVH Tasks  
11:05 rithm poor ovh
11:16 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/florida-man-arrested-for-online-drug-trading/
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11:36 BingoBoingo https://ihb.io/2014-11-09/news/official-coindesk-longer-voice-digital-currency-2-13449
11:36 assbot Coindesk is no longer the Voice of Currency • IHB News™
11:43 davout rithm: stay away from ovh...
11:43 rithm i do!
11:44 davout if ebola could propagate to servers, it'd probably start at ovh
11:45 rithm ovh is like the parody host
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12:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00064687 = 3.8165 BTC [-]
12:03 jurov WTF "I love bitcoin for reasons that Amir Taaki, Adam Back, Peter Todd and Mike Hearn love it."
12:06 thestringpuller is that a real post jurov ?
12:07 jurov it's from ihb.io above
12:10 undata what a sprawling mess of an article
12:18 jurov "Dear Ben Lawsky, you are going after the wrong people. Mining operations can be used to launder huge amounts of money."
12:18 jurov kek
12:18 thestringpuller yes. mining operations are owned by the mob.
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12:37 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bulgarian-snas-release-on-operation-onymous/
12:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11824 @ 0.00064602 = 7.6385 BTC [-] {2}
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13:05 mircea_popescu !up saifedean
13:05 mircea_popescu by the way, you know how to use the tools here ? like say
13:05 mircea_popescu !s taleb
13:05 assbot 139 results for 'taleb' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=taleb
13:06 saifedean ah, no i don't... i've been trying to learn the ropes
13:06 saifedean thanks for that
13:06 mircea_popescu ah i got something for you here, just gimme a minuite
13:08 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#748585 << this is the delivery of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2014#746817
13:08 assbot Logged on 07-07-2014 23:30:49; sexysaffron: I have a video delivery!
13:08 assbot Logged on 06-07-2014 23:40:36; mircea_popescu: "Here's me begging you Mr Taleb!" or something
13:11 saifedean lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before...
13:11 mircea_popescu ah ok then
13:12 saifedean compelling, i must say, but last time i spoke to taleb he wasn't all that interested in bitcoin. i mean, he finds it interesting to a point, but not to the point of healthy obsession and complete disregard of everything else that we share
13:13 mircea_popescu yeah, and the reason is he's not yet met anyone that groks it fully, so as to answer objection properly.
13:13 mircea_popescu or at least, that was my case, in 2011
13:14 saifedean is that when you first started on the righteous path?
13:15 mircea_popescu yeah.
13:15 mircea_popescu ;;google noob mp or how it all begun
13:15 gribble "At civilization's end", an MP Megacampaign - Page 2 - Paradox ...: <http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?753005-quot-At-civilization-s-end-quot-an-MP-Megacampaign/page2>; Wargame Talk #15: Modding Has Begun and Clash of the Clans 3 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuaLSMTKDiw>; Battlefield 4: Official Multiplayer Launch Trailer - YouTube: (1 more message)
13:15 mircea_popescu jesus google...
13:16 mircea_popescu saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ?
13:16 TomServo http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/
13:16 assbot Noob MP, or how it all began pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:16 saifedean may i ask what did you do in the pre-bitcoin era? In the Bezzle Age?
13:17 mircea_popescu i was retired.
13:17 mircea_popescu !up Tykling
13:17 mircea_popescu getting slowly bored to death in costa rica.
13:18 saifedean i got a bunch of gaming forum posts, nothing to do with you
13:18 mircea_popescu myeah.
13:18 saifedean very nice, retirement is underrated. the main appeal of academia for me is that it is a halfway house to retirement
13:19 mircea_popescu retirement is way overrated. i tell you, i thought it was going to be "the life" for the rest of my life. http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/
13:19 assbot NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:19 mircea_popescu turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years.
13:24 saifedean it sure as hell beats working in the world of bezzle, a slave-like existence producing nothing and wasting your life in a worthless pissing contest whose first prize is the ability to kiss a bigger ass
13:24 thestringpuller anyone good with regex?
13:25 undata saifedean: start a business you weenie :p
13:25 mircea_popescu either that or start shooting people.
13:25 mircea_popescu thestringpuller moderately, but don't ask to ask.
13:26 thestringpuller i don't want to bother anyone with the pain that is regex ~_~
13:26 undata thestringpuller: you may find this helpful http://www.regexr.com/
13:26 assbot RegExr: Learn, Build, & Test RegEx
13:26 thestringpuller thanks undata
13:26 undata yw
13:27 thestringpuller found one good example
13:27 thestringpuller Regex, yet another reason I hate strings.
13:29 mircea_popescu o.O
13:33 saifedean undata & mp, i'm actually thinking of starting a grill restaurant... to be named the honey badger grill, bitcoin preferred
13:34 mircea_popescu now why would you do that ?
13:34 thestringpuller saifedean: i am working on a crypto bakery lol
13:35 saifedean coz i really enjoy grilling, i'm very good at it, people really like my steaks and i could get them to pay me good money to eat it if i put my head to make it good... sounds to me like a better way of spending your life than any bezzle career
13:36 thestringpuller !up saifedean
13:36 undata I like bitcoin and grilled food; I dunno about the honey badger thing
13:36 chetty yeah but where does the name come from? sounds too much like honey pot, imo
13:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00064489 = 7.1905 BTC [-] {2}
13:37 undata it's just some meme
13:37 mircea_popescu saifedean maybe. i am also very good at cooking, people love my stuff and i could definitely get them to pay.
13:37 mircea_popescu the problem is this doesn't scale.
13:37 saifedean because honey badger doesn't give a shit, and because bitcoin is the honey badger of money
13:38 saifedean why the hell would i want to scale? if i wanted to scale i'd join mcdonalds for a rewarding career and an early grave
13:38 chetty wolverine
13:38 saifedean if i could run a single operation very well, it could make enough income to allow me to live very well, while spending my days doing something i enjoy
13:39 chetty sounds like a little piece of heaven there saifedean
13:39 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: if it's a pet, why would you want it to scale? restaurants are cool because you get free food and a place to "hang out"
13:39 saifedean the idea of being my own boss, and to only be the boss of a few people is ideal. easily beats having to deal with hundreds of idiots in a large operatoin and suffer their idiocy
13:42 mircea_popescu thestringpuller saifedean i am familiar with your idea of restaurants. these work as a retirement ploy by old merchants, who have an immense pile of gold in the basement, a pretty wife and don't give a shit about what may come, they juist want people to hang out and chat with.
13:42 mircea_popescu this model works extremely well if one has the basement (not just the gold, but also the many travel stories in the basement of their head)
13:42 mircea_popescu it works extremely poorly if one merely copies the visible parts of the institution.
13:43 ben_vulpes http://btc2mysql.com/
13:43 assbot BTC2MySQL
13:43 ben_vulpes interdasting tool
13:43 saifedean i definitely have the travel stories and the pretty wife and zero shits are given about what may come... most my days are a struggle to secure excellent quality food, a struggle which will only be resolved conclusively once i have my entire operation
13:43 ben_vulpes have not derped with yet
13:44 ben_vulpes but what are the engineering arguments for an embedded kv store against which one cannot query well if at all vs. a embedded sql store?
13:44 undata ahemahem sqlite
13:44 undata but #nodeps, right?
13:45 saifedean the way i see it, bitcoin will kill pretty much all the world of bezzle, as i'm sure you folk agree, and the only jobs that will thrive in th future are those that involve actually doing something useful for other people which others appreciate and are happy to pay for. there are few things in life people appreciate better than a well-cooked steak, and few things in life that are done badly as often
13:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00064372 = 2.4461 BTC [-]
13:45 undata saifedean: a word of caution; businesses always look simple when looking from outside
13:46 undata my god 4 walls and a door and I'm there
13:47 saifedean undata that's why i'm still researching and thinking of this while keeping my academic job
13:49 mircea_popescu <saifedean> a struggle to secure excellent quality food << can you go into detail ?
13:50 saifedean well, why else did you move to argentina but for the excellent grass-fed beef?
13:50 mircea_popescu they eat a lot of beef in beirut ?
13:50 mircea_popescu you know, i've never had any decent beef, not in cairo, not in luxor, not even in lebanon.
13:50 saifedean once you've had a proper well-cooked steak, any other day of your life will be ruined if you venture into a McDonald's or some other Bezzle Institution
13:50 mircea_popescu your meat sucks. it's not even how you cook it. it fucking sucks.
13:50 mircea_popescu saifedean have you had an argentine steak ?
13:51 saifedean in lebanon beef isn't very good, but the lamb is excellent, and it is grass-fed
13:51 mircea_popescu lamb is splendid absolutely.
13:51 mircea_popescu i mostly ate lamb and chicken over my time among the no-pok-people.
13:51 mircea_popescu ended up eating a whole fucking pick in oradea on my way back
13:51 saifedean my best friend is half-argentinian and half lebanese, and we've been talking about this restaurant together for years, he's brought excellent argentine beef over
13:52 mircea_popescu ah. the stuff that you eat like salmon, practically ? half raw in the middle ?
13:52 mircea_popescu i mean. of the inch thickness, a half inch in the middle is barely warm.
13:53 saifedean there are many many things that make a good steak, most of these things require people who do their work honestly and htink long term, and pretty much everything in that process is being destroyed by cheap money and the high-time-preference it engenders in everyone from the farmer to the waiter at your restaurant
13:54 mircea_popescu ha!
13:54 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E1ZQ6N.txt )
13:54 mircea_popescu !b 2
13:54 saifedean with the emergence of bitcoin and the destruction of the world of bezzle and its instant gratification and fast food culture, people are going to appreciate and pay top dollar for the quality stuff that's done right
13:54 mircea_popescu exactly right. cheap money and the high time preference.
13:54 mircea_popescu you ever read about the tin women ?
13:54 saifedean no whats that?
13:54 mircea_popescu ahahaha
13:55 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ and also http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/
13:55 assbot The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:55 assbot Let’s dig a little deeper into this entire deflation “problem” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:56 saifedean my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human
13:56 mircea_popescu its just hysterical how much we agree lol.
13:57 saifedean i kinda figured from what i have read from your blog!
13:59 saifedean the main question that remains now concerns the location of my grill... Lebanon is my favorite place in the world, but it might not be the ideal location what with all the religious wars breaking out... Vancouver is another possibility...
13:59 mircea_popescu nah, buenos aires.
13:59 saifedean come on man, you're not expecting me to go set up a grilling business in buenos aires, what was it about taking the coals to newcastle...
13:59 mircea_popescu you come here, you have a good steak, you forgot why you ever wanted to make a steakhouse. much like the man who was considering doing his own plumbing out of reeds in lebanon, moves to constantinople with the marble baths forgets all about it.
14:00 saifedean they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans
14:00 mircea_popescu im curious when fluffypony shows over, see what he thinks.
14:00 mircea_popescu saifedean so you actually been here before ?
14:01 saifedean well, as i said i am hoping to go to BA sometime soon, my argentine friend will be there and it's meant as a crash course in grilling... i could just stick around, but i'd need me a new business idea for the post-bezzlepocalypse
14:01 saifedean no i've never been to argentina, but i did live in Rio de Janeiro for two years as a kid
14:01 mircea_popescu aha.
14:01 mircea_popescu anyway, show up, i'll buy you a steak.
14:02 saifedean bife de chorizo!
14:02 mircea_popescu nah, bife de lomo aniversario.
14:03 saifedean i should be finding out soon if my trip will pan out and will let you know
14:03 mircea_popescu 1kg porterhouse steak is the golden standard in my eyes nao.
14:04 saifedean ok, you have a point, i'll have both :D
14:05 BingoBoingo From the WTF files http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2321794 << The Javascript
14:05 assbot NODE Second Generation Cryptocurrency With Different Codebase To Bitcoin Launches - Press Release - Digital Journal
14:05 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/we-the-people/
14:07 BingoBoingo !up saifedean
14:09 mircea_popescu anyway, off to eat. later good folk of the evil cult!
14:09 chetty saifedean, actually I think there is good call for the sort of 'grill' you describe in Argentina, the relaxed atmosphere, the fire, etc. Steak may be great here but it could use some 'trappings'
14:10 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: http://btc2mysql.com/ << have you seen http://toshi.io ?
14:10 saifedean interesting... my idea is also to make it a paleo restaurant... if you guys haven't gone paleo yet, let me just point that making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin
14:11 thestringpuller saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin.
14:11 undata saifedean: there is *so* much eaten that is barely (if at all) food
14:12 chetty <<< never giving up bread and pastries but agree with the 'crap' descriptor for most of what passes as food
14:13 saifedean well thestringpuller, i've tried that shitty-ass diet and i tried being paleo, and there's no comparison. Once you try going paleo, eating crap seems about as reasonable as not looking around before crossing the street. Sure, it can be done... but why?
14:13 undata ditching dairy aside from cheese has been helpful for me
14:13 undata the cheese could go too but that's no way to live
14:13 saifedean oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it!
14:13 joecool welcome to #bitcoin-lifestyle
14:15 joecool ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log
14:15 * joecool wonders when he joined
14:15 joecool ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
14:15 gribble User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:04:01 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
14:15 joecool ;;gpg info joecool
14:15 gribble User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:49:45 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
14:15 joecool heh
14:16 saifedean oh but paleo is intimately related to bitcoin: it is cheap money that has plagued the world with high time preference and that, in turn, is what has turned food from being nourishing to a giant bezzle-funded industry that aims to provide sugar kicks and insulin spikes to the proles immediately when the temptation kicks in.
14:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00064819 = 12.5425 BTC [+]
14:17 undata saifedean: its a dream of mine that there'll be a return to families producing their own food.
14:17 undata you want economic security; that's it.
14:17 joecool i've produced a good chunk of mine off and on over the years
14:18 joecool plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden (did canning, freezing for winter, etc)
14:18 saifedean undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! How selfish would it be of all families to think of their own survival and leave the national economy to flounder.
14:20 undata saifedean: sounds glorious. flounder away!
14:22 undata I'm working on a software business for now; should that succeed, I'd like to look into automation products for small scale food production.
14:23 undata my parents have a largely self-sufficient farm, and their processes are not particularly scientific
14:24 undata it seems to me that there are gains to be found via automation which would allow a person to both produce their own food and have time to spare for other pursuits
14:27 ben_vulpes nah, just put hippies to work running the aquaponics
14:27 ben_vulpes automation's overrated
14:28 undata I disagree; humans are overrated.
14:28 undata I'm trying to find an article; the sentence that sticks out in my memory was something like "why would anyone buy lightbulbs when they can just pay staff to see to their candles?"
14:29 undata because I want to be left alone to work!
14:29 undata haha
14:29 rithm SWISS money
14:29 rithm comes from automata
14:29 rithm Sent While I Sleep Soundly
14:31 saifedean i don't mind automation for as long as it does not compromise the quality of the thing in question. So, a fridge is a good idea to keep my steaks cool for a few hours between butchering and grilling. A deep freezer is not such a good idea coz the meat will never taste the same.
14:33 undata saifedean: machines should extend the mind of their master
14:34 saifedean undata: yes, not replace it!
14:35 chetty <saifedean> oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it!// the paleo idea makes sense to me, and for sure all those chemical and stuff that passes for food is bad idea, but I really don't see passing on grain entirely.
14:39 chetty !up saifedean
14:40 joecool i don't miss it, used to ride insulin rollercoaster for years
14:40 saifedean chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose?
14:40 xanthyos bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot
14:40 joecool saifedean: i found out i had severe issues with wheat after i noticed i'd feel better if i didn't eat
14:41 joecool so i fasted a week or two and did an additive diet
14:41 chetty saifedean, ok, I can do that (guess I better read up on it a bit, can I still have coffee?)
14:41 joecool until i figured out what it was
14:41 joecool coffee is fine lol, drink it black
14:42 ben_vulpes ;;later tell diablo-d3 you're missing a paleo love-in
14:42 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:42 joecool if you don't like it, get better coffee and learn how to make it
14:42 chetty only way to drink coffee
14:42 ben_vulpes ;;seen diablo-d3
14:42 gribble diablo-d3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Diablo-D3> so it never happened
14:42 saifedean we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so that the fruit contains nutrients that are good for us, and it also looks good, smells good and appeals to us, because it's good for us and for the plant that we eat the fruit, and that's why we can eat it in the raw.
14:43 ben_vulpes saifedean: have you ever read the 10,000 year explosion?
14:43 joecool nah fuck fruit tbh, rarely eat the stuff
14:43 undata wut
14:43 undata joecool: never?
14:43 joecool undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it
14:43 saifedean But we are not meant to eat the seeds or the grains, they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. That;s why seeds and grains do not look appealing, do not taste or smell good, and they are absolutely destructive for our body if eaten. agriculture and modern processing over the last 10,000 years has made these things slightly less destructive to us and we have developed some capacity to tolerate them, bu
14:43 chetty I dont think I am that far off paleo as it is, most of what I eat is raw fruit, veggies and meat anyway.
14:44 joecool berries yes, leafy vegetables of course, but fuck eating tons of fruit
14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00065012 = 9.2642 BTC [+]
14:44 undata joecool: ah nobody needs tons
14:45 xanthyos !up thomas_d
14:45 xanthyos hi
14:45 saifedean if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on
14:45 xanthyos !up thomas_d
14:45 thomas_d hey
14:46 chetty ahh I be chocolate isnt on the list, cant be doing without that for more than a week :P
14:46 saifedean ben_vulpes, i havent. would you recommend it?
14:46 ben_vulpes i have.
14:46 xanthyos what's the link to the wot faq?
14:46 joecool chetty: i eat high % chocolate, usually 91% or 100%
14:46 joecool sugar is not a concern there
14:46 ben_vulpes it puts a mess of holes about three feet below the water line of this "ancient diet" crap.
14:47 ben_vulpes s/crap/Zodiac
14:47 saifedean dark chocolate aint that bad, the thing is, you never have to completely eliminate anything... you just need to drastically reduce some thing and make sure they are not a regular part of your diet
14:47 ben_vulpes dude what is with the endless wordstream
14:48 chetty well if I got dark chocolate everything else will be ok. :)
14:50 saifedean yes, coffee is fine... and if you have it with butter, you win extra paleo points!
14:51 ben_vulpes !up lobbes
14:51 ben_vulpes you're welcome
14:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00064819 = 9.2043 BTC [-]
14:52 chetty I read about that coffee with butter thing, havent had the nerve to try it
14:53 ben_vulpes i did it for a while
14:53 ben_vulpes made me feel funny
14:53 lobbes <+saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds??
14:53 ben_vulpes lobbes: excess energy in the system develops parasites
14:53 ben_vulpes it's like communism
14:53 ben_vulpes BUT IN YOU
14:53 saifedean http://vernerwheelock.com/?p=327
14:53 assbot 58. Cancer and Sugar | Verner's Views
14:53 joecool cancer really likes fruit :)
14:53 lobbes ahaha
14:54 TomServo ben_vulpes: lol
14:54 saifedean check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow. Eliminate sugar, eliminate cancer, it's that simple. And that, incidentally, is why hunter-gatherers have zero sugar
14:56 undata http://nutritionaloncology.org/cancerCellMetabolism.html this thing?
14:59 saifedean yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html
14:59 assbot The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg
15:00 xanthyos !down thomas_d
15:01 xanthyos i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk
15:02 ben_vulpes <saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece << you're like the guy who links to btc stealing malware
15:02 ben_vulpes "i didn't actually read the source oh noes"
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25131 @ 0.00064819 = 16.2897 BTC [-]
15:07 saifedean i didnt actually read the link you sent so i can't vouch for it, or if it's an accurate explanation of the topic, so i gave you one that i had read which i know is good
15:10 Pierre_Rochard !up saifedean
15:12 lobbes <+saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html << hehe, I dig the tripod.com url at the top of the page; vintage
15:12 assbot The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg
15:13 Apocalyptic <joecool> cancer really likes fruit :) // cancer likes fructose
15:14 Apocalyptic as any other type of sugar
15:28 Pierre_Rochard saifedean: looking forward to savoring your restaurant’s lamb shank one day
15:33 cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead
15:33 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
15:45 punkman cazalla: you just need more ddos
15:46 cazalla twozerofive doesn't come around here much now
15:46 cazalla ;;seen twozerofive
15:46 gribble I have not seen twozerofive.
15:47 cazalla ;;seen fivezerotwo
15:47 gribble fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <fivezerotwo> have fun, i'll see you soon :D
15:47 cazalla already forgotten his name
15:47 mike_c 502, get it. bad gateway.
15:47 cazalla did not occur to me
15:47 mike_c it's like l33t speek
15:48 cazalla obvious now that you pointed it out
15:48 mike_c oh no, i didn't get it either. he explained it in channel at some point.
15:48 mike_c all the best jokes require explanation.
15:49 rithm his name was robert paulsen
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16:29 xanthyos !up bagels7
16:30 xanthyos ;;rate bagels7 1 known online 5 years consistently friendly
16:30 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
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16:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5569 @ 0.00064803 = 3.6089 BTC [-] {2}
17:04 xanthyos !up bagels7
17:04 xanthyos !up thomas_d
17:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00064597 = 33.0091 BTC [-] {2}
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18:05 nubbins` ;;seen thestringpuller
18:05 gribble thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin.
18:05 nubbins` thestringpuller you know they found your poster?
18:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00064547 = 8.4879 BTC [-]
18:07 nubbins` postage apparently emancipated itself from the package, it'd been sitting in an abandoned mail room awaiting destruction
18:08 nubbins` guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one"
18:08 nubbins` anyway. on its way. i guess.
18:13 thestringpuller nubbins`
18:14 thestringpuller no?
18:14 thestringpuller oh cool
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18:36 BingoBoingo <saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << What about Chagas, Obola, and Syphillis?
18:38 BingoBoingo !up saifedean
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19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43294 @ 0.0006461 = 27.9723 BTC [+] {2}
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19:38 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/rbnz-does-not-feel-threatened-by-bitcoin/
19:44 mircea_popescu saifedean: making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin <<< eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?
19:44 mircea_popescu i mean sure, the hamburger & canned hot dog crowd is eating very poorly, but that's not the same thing.
19:46 mircea_popescu undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live << no buttermilk ? no yogurt ? why would i even.
19:46 mircea_popescu i think half the liquid i drink is milk.
19:47 mircea_popescu joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log << good to know someone actually misses me :D
19:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9621 @ 0.00064211 = 6.1777 BTC [-]
19:48 mircea_popescu undata: you want economic security; that's it. <<< could a visiting merchant buy a nice ham off of one of your families when passing through ?
19:50 mircea_popescu joecool:plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden saifedean:undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! <<< you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?
19:52 undata mircea_popescu: I wouldn't bat an eye.
19:52 mircea_popescu undata you would after shoveling corpses for a week or two.
19:53 mircea_popescu so the sad news is, argentina has bad peaches down to a fucking artform. this set here, properly juicy, smell great, taste like fucking corcoduse
19:53 mircea_popescu ie, wild apricots.
19:53 mircea_popescu may be the worst scampeaches i ever did see.
19:56 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/usps-hacked-every-employees-personal-information-compromised/
19:56 mircea_popescu bwahhaha
19:57 mircea_popescu "o no, we will just work with the usg, help them track bitcoiner's shippments. nothing bad could ever happen!"
19:58 mircea_popescu saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? <<< i'm pretty sure she did try it for a week on and off, multiple times. not purposefully or anything, just, how it happened.
19:59 mircea_popescu xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot <<< well, who is he ?
20:00 mircea_popescu saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so << we humans are also simply not evolved to wash.
20:00 mircea_popescu and come to think of it, we're quite pointedly not evolved to use condoms, either.
20:00 mircea_popescu which of these are you giving up because of that silly "evolved" theory ? i wasn't evolved to use a keyboard nor to cross the street nor do i give a shit.
20:01 mircea_popescu joecool: undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it << my bet is because you live in a place with shitty (ie, supermarket) fruit.
20:02 mircea_popescu saifedean: But we are not meant to eat the seeds [...] they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk nothing is "meant", srsly.
20:02 assbot Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube
20:02 joecool mircea_popescu: nah, despite the fact i live in 'murica, i have grown my own fruit and vegetables
20:02 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2014#822509
20:02 assbot Logged on 08-09-2014 13:26:02; BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet...
20:02 mircea_popescu joecool but getting good fruit is a nontrivial pursuit. say you "made your own wine". well... ? so what if you did.
20:03 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im romanian, im fucking evolved to eat bread. we've been eating bread for well over five millenia now, and it was millet before it was wheat.
20:03 mircea_popescu just a latin thing.
20:04 BingoBoingo Yeah. Bread is good. SOmetimes i do "Bread cleanses" where I'll get a big loaf of bread, some nice butter, and eat that for a day or two.
20:04 mircea_popescu (incidentally, millet unlevened bread, now that's an experience. i have nfi why it's not becoming a hipster thing. maybe they never heard of it)
20:05 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads.
20:05 xanthyos <+mircea_popescu> xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot
20:05 BingoBoingo Millet's probably in the que to become a hipster thing. They just have to work through the other fads.
20:05 mircea_popescu ;;google cluj sora
20:05 gribble Cluj-Napoca travel guide - Wikitravel: <http://wikitravel.org/en/Cluj-Napoca>; Cluj-Napoca – Travel guide at Wikivoyage: <http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca>; Sora Shopping Center - Visit CLUJ: <http://www.visitclujnapoca.ro/en/ce-poti-face/cumparaturi/page/2/sora-shopping-center.html>
20:06 mircea_popescu meanwhile it sold out, became a "shopping center"
20:06 xanthyos <<< well, who is he ? << it was that thomas_d guy and also bagels7 but i think thomas is flaking out
20:06 mircea_popescu xanthyos moar like, what do they do.
20:06 xanthyos i don't know if i'm at liberty to reveal that information
20:06 xanthyos bagels7: ?
20:07 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads. << Well, I picked up the habit in school, so...
20:07 mircea_popescu a, np
20:07 joecool mircea_popescu: you mentioned you came out of retirement to start mpex, what was your trade before retiring?
20:07 mircea_popescu joecool that was never very clearly specified.
20:09 joecool is that a polite way of saying "i'd rather not disclose"?
20:09 mircea_popescu well, it's a polite way of saying nothing at all :)
20:09 joecool :) fair enough
20:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo incidentally : yogurt is properly made out of boiled milk, whereas the same process applied to raw milk resulted in something called "sana" in romania of the time.
20:10 mircea_popescu which are both different from buttermilk etc. it's a huge topic, this, and honestly half of it comes from turkey an' lebanon :p
20:10 BingoBoingo I've never had the opportunity to actual yogurt.
20:11 BingoBoingo Buttermilk is accessible here.
20:12 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-ZjH6mpbyQ
20:12 assbot Slappy the Squirrel Buttermilk Ad Chipmunk - YouTube
20:12 BingoBoingo It's not the easiest thing to find, but actual cultured butter is still accesible here.
20:13 BingoBoingo lol, makes a body bitter
20:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38255 @ 0.00064374 = 24.6263 BTC [+] {2}
20:17 gernika I suspect that there has not been much or any negative selection related to eating grains. Eating them doesn't kill you before you can breed. So yes, eventually they may or may not make you fat and give you diabetes, but not before you've had 10 kids fueled on starch alone.
20:19 nubbins` grains are great
20:19 mircea_popescu gernika actually starch only diets are known to be toxic, for vitamin depletion reasons
20:19 cazalla 10 kids? wash ya mouth out
20:19 mircea_popescu poor peasants in the premodern times got b defficiencies all the time, inter alia
20:19 nubbins` mircea_popescu iirc the b deficiencies were from doing whippets all day
20:19 nubbins` LEL I KID
20:19 mircea_popescu meat only diets are just as toxic, through overwhelming kidney clearances for protein metabolic products. etc.
20:20 mircea_popescu ;;ud whippet
20:20 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippets | Whipped-cream-in-a-can is propelled by nitrous oxide. This usage is the source of the term "whippet". The term has come to refer to any little canister that'll give ...
20:20 mircea_popescu lmao
20:20 ben_vulpes mmm nox
20:20 gernika mircea_popescu ok I should substitute "mostly grain + small amount of meat and vegetables" for "starch alone" then
20:21 mircea_popescu anyway, cancer has a huge genetic component. diabetes a smaller but present one. obviously eating better improves health, but that's a much weaker claim than "do away with"
20:21 nubbins` ben_vulpes i was recently trying to describe the sensation of being rendered unconscious by NO2 in a clinical setting. after hemming and hawing for a few minutes, i said "it's sort of like doing whippets until you pass out"
20:21 nubbins` by the time "until" reached my lips, i realized that's exactly what it was 8)
20:21 mircea_popescu gernika that's pretty much the first stable diet. roman workers/soldiers got bread, beer (liquid bread) and some olives/small fishes.
20:22 mircea_popescu and i guess grapes the day the boss' wife was doing the fingertrap.
20:22 nubbins` !
20:23 BingoBoingo The case of shitgnome vs. shitgnome https://gnome.org/groupon/
20:23 assbot Help the GNOME Foundation defend the GNOME Trademark
20:23 mircea_popescu lol
20:24 gernika mircea_popescu I'm guessing Egyptian workers/soldiers got the same.
20:24 mircea_popescu nah, not before caesar at any rate.
20:25 mircea_popescu for one thing they didn't eat fish (seth lived in the nile). for another, i dun recall what their main grain was but definitely not wheat.
20:25 ben_vulpes nice nubbins`.
20:25 gernika well, no olives
20:26 nubbins` mircea_popescu i feel like it was some sort of shitty type of wheat
20:26 nubbins` actually maybe barley
20:26 * nubbins` shrugs
20:26 mircea_popescu doubt it. maybe some sort of millet ? or rye ?
20:27 mircea_popescu in any case : they mostly ate firepit baked unleavened clumps of dough
20:27 mircea_popescu the romans made bread, ie, in an oven
20:27 mircea_popescu huge fucken difference between frying and baking
20:27 ben_vulpes emmer?
20:27 gernika looks like barley and emmer wheat
20:27 mircea_popescu emmer wheat ok.
20:27 mircea_popescu farro.
20:28 ben_vulpes wait unleavened? what's the deal with the joostories then?
20:28 gernika And apparently beer (from the barley)
20:28 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well who the fuck's to know. but anyway, leavening was an innovation roughly at the time, poorly received
20:33 mircea_popescu sort-of like we snub our nose at mcdo hamburgers i guess.
20:33 mircea_popescu same principle anyway.
20:35 mircea_popescu !up aspho
20:35 aspho Hey, did qntra just go coindesk or what? http://qntra.net/2014/11/national-bank-of-ukraine-bitcoin-not-to-be-used-for-payments/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lvczp/ukraine_and_bitcoin_clarification/ (reddit of all places, sigh)
20:35 assbot National Bank of Ukraine: Bitcoin Not to Be Used for Payments | Qntra.net
20:35 assbot Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin
20:36 nubbins` hrm
20:36 nubbins` "your order number is 999"
20:36 nubbins` o.O
20:36 * nubbins` checks for fisher-price logo
20:37 mircea_popescu "There are reports that the National Bank of Ukraine has issued a directive on its Facebook page banning the use of Bitcoin for payments within the country"
20:37 mircea_popescu there are reports... coulda been worse.
20:37 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i suppose some sort of revision's in order ?
20:38 nubbins` !up Vexual
20:38 cazalla aspho, the post references the stupidity of "issuing missives via Facebook post" so no, Qntra has not done coindesk
20:38 cazalla https://plus.google.com/events/cgmh17inrj7123k5gsott6udhfo
20:39 aspho Semantics isn't it?
20:39 aspho tbf I read it both ways
20:39 mircea_popescu cazalla that is true, but it wasn't all that explicitly doing that was it ?
20:40 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lvczp/ukraine_and_bitcoin_clarification/ << Doesn't seem to contradict the Qntra report.
20:40 assbot Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin
20:40 mircea_popescu "Not only is the notion of government by Facebook page about on par with the US immigration policy implemented by wikipedia lookup, but the interpretation offered isn't even supported by the original text, which merely says..."
20:47 mircea_popescu lobbes: okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds <<< there are some good if not winning arguments in favour. generally, fats are about twice as energetic per gram as sugars. however the power (ie, energy per time) function is much flatter. that's only half the story, of course, because the fat (and protein, they're related, as you'd expect) processing b
20:47 mircea_popescu andwidth is much wider than the sugars, for the obvious reason. this makes a lot of subordinate wheels be connected principaly to that main engine, much like the alternator in the car is connected to the gasoline powered carnot cycle, not to say the steering wheel. one of those subordinate wheels is actually the immune system, and so in a very pedestrian reading, obtaining most of your energy from the kreb cycle means
20:47 mircea_popescu an underpowered immune system, among other things. (then again, other systems, such as a whole array of cellular antioxidants, essentially all the red cell metabolism and all the brain are powered by the carbohydrate metabolism). in short... no easy answers. srsly. we "are evolved" to do everything.
20:51 mircea_popescu saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow <<< this is exactly false. for instance, breast carcinoma cells are most always grown in vitro on collagen substrate. collagen is a protein not a sugar.
20:51 cazalla aspho, BingoBoingo has updated the post to clarify but fwiw i was implied it might not be factual given facebook
20:53 mircea_popescu !up agamemno123
20:53 cazalla and as good as we are at qntra, we make mistakes, we are not infallible
20:53 BingoBoingo As far as the Warburg stuff goes. It's generally accepted that cancer cells generally turn to some some of anearobes, but... SOmetimes it works the opposite way like in breast cancer, and the change over almost certainly seems to not be the cause of the cancer.
20:54 cazalla i think only one person claims to be, eh thickasthieves? *rimshot*
20:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well yeah. it's a complicated thing. moreover, simply because one doesn't *eat* sugar does not mean glycogen does not exist in their body or anything
20:54 aspho Cazalla: I see where you're coming from. not pointing fingers, just helping out (although it gets attention comparing with coindesk heh)
20:55 mircea_popescu aspho i dun think anyone tried just saying it to see if it gets ignored or anything yet.
20:55 mircea_popescu as opposed to "getting attention"
20:56 BingoBoingo Well, someone invented the HTML strikethrough tag for a reason
20:56 mircea_popescu xanthyos: i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk << resent less, live longer. definitely happier.
20:56 xanthyos bagels7: speak to the man!
20:57 aspho ya next time
20:57 mircea_popescu anyway, pop-medicine is like pop-computing. sort-of php.
20:58 BingoBoingo Eh, wait to people find out they make glucose...
20:58 Vexual hey glucose is fat free
20:59 mircea_popescu but anyway, from a political standpoint the "no sugar" angle is good. i'm stuck mostly eating homemade cake because everyone's convinced you need sugar by the bucket. "gotta be sweet man!"
20:59 mircea_popescu !up supay
20:59 mircea_popescu in the end conversion from online recipe to edible recipe is cup of sugar -> spoonful of sugar
21:01 xanthyos !up bagels7
21:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, as far as i understand (not an expert) the reason neoplasm mostly turns anaerobic is that apoptosis main branch and aerobic respiration share some protein pathways. so it often gets deleted in the same pass as it were, "no electricity" means no music and no light at the same time.
21:03 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That seems to go with what I read as well.
21:05 mircea_popescu !up username0
21:05 BingoBoingo The problem of cancer is cell division and cells not self destructing when they come up defective because the checking mechanism's broke. The anerobe thing is a side effect.
21:05 mircea_popescu !up username0_
21:05 mircea_popescu !up aspho
21:06 xanthyos hi bagels7
21:06 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
21:07 mircea_popescu cazalla: qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << at least it has what to lose lol
21:07 mircea_popescu punkman: cazalla: you just need more ddos << you know that read "more dildos". which.... hm.
21:08 mircea_popescu nubbins`: guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one" << bwahahaha
21:09 fluffypony mircea_popescu: what I think about BA or about the steak there?
21:09 mircea_popescu about the steak there.
21:10 fluffypony oh I'm dead keen
21:10 fluffypony the steak here has mostly been average, I've had one above-average steak and that was at Seasons52 in Los Angeles
21:10 mircea_popescu i had no idea sa is actually famous for steak, but apparently.
21:11 nubbins` yup
21:11 nubbins` i worked in a restaurant here in canada, they served argentine beef
21:12 mircea_popescu nubbins` south africa. i know argentine beef is famous.
21:12 fluffypony nubbins` btw
21:12 nubbins` oh THAT south ___
21:12 nubbins` they did not serve south african beef
21:12 fluffypony I went to the Adventure Expo in Salt Lake City wearing the t-shirts you made
21:12 fluffypony and got stopped and asked about Bitcoin by 3 people :)
21:12 nubbins` not bad!
21:13 nubbins` imagine if you'd brought your poster with you :p
21:13 fluffypony lol
21:13 mircea_popescu imagine if you were naked!
21:13 mircea_popescu no wait.
21:13 mircea_popescu that wouldn't work.
21:14 fluffypony hah hah
21:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22870 @ 0.00064845 = 14.8301 BTC [+]
21:14 mircea_popescu ;;bare tits tshirt
21:14 BingoBoingo Peoples with mobile devices, test the qntra layout
21:14 gribble Error: "bare" is not a valid command.
21:14 nubbins` walk up to naked dude, "what about bitcoin?"
21:14 mircea_popescu ;;google bare tits tshirt
21:14 gribble Amateur girls in wet tshirts flashing boobs - Video Dailymotion: <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1r3wc6_amateur-girls-in-wet-tshirts-flashing-boobs_redband>; wet shirt contest topless nude - Video Dailymotion: <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1aaazf_wet-shirt-contest-topless-nude_redband>; Big Tits and Fine Ass Wet T-Shirt Contest - Video Dailymotion: (1 more message)
21:15 mircea_popescu check out the dailymotion monopoly.
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00064967 = 14.1628 BTC [+] {3}
21:16 mircea_popescu anyway, something like http://images.halloweencostume.com/products/11388/1-1/adult-hands-covering-boobs-t-shirt.jpg
21:17 mircea_popescu nubbins` can you do that, but for male shirts ?
21:17 mircea_popescu "Bitcoin brings out the best in you" or w/e.
21:17 nubbins` maybe a hand cupping the genitals
21:17 nubbins` another arm strapped across a flabby, hairy chest
21:18 mircea_popescu make a 6pack one for girls
21:18 mircea_popescu nah dude, genderbendin'!
21:20 nubbins` heh
21:20 nubbins` far out!
21:20 nubbins` speaking of, here's the cover of the book we're working on now
21:20 nubbins` http://imgur.com/dEz2h75
21:20 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
21:23 xanthyos ;;ident bagels7
21:23 gribble Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is not identified.
21:23 xanthyos ;;ident sophiesakura
21:23 gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
21:23 xanthyos ;;gettrust sophiesakura
21:23 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user sophiesakura: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=sophiesakura | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sophiesakura | Rated since: never
21:27 mircea_popescu nubbins` is that an acid dropping guide ?
21:28 Vexual he is
21:28 nubbins` metallic inks on black paper
21:28 nubbins` you should see the inside :0
21:29 mircea_popescu "As a woman, peeing is a very big part of my life. It’s something I do often, and something I do well."
21:29 mircea_popescu god help us.
21:29 xiando tl;dr 1) Do not do it alone 2) Do it with friends you trust 3) Do it in a calm safe place 4) Have some good music prepared
21:29 nubbins` xiando out of left field
21:29 mircea_popescu xiando apparently his guide is "go birdwatching"
21:30 nubbins` solo trip is something one must experience at least once
21:30 cazalla did once at 15 on mushrooms, freaked out, called poison hotline, told not to eat mushrooms again
21:30 mircea_popescu "I’m not some feminist radical Jane Fonda of the 70s type women, but I hate bras. I hate the way they feel. They are uncomfortable. They bind, they chafe, and when you have small breasts, they ride up."
21:30 mircea_popescu yeah, that's the problem. the way they feel. just like you should be having bigger tits.
21:31 Vexual it's all about the duck
21:31 nubbins` duck w/ mushrooms is nice
21:31 nubbins` oh wait sorry
21:31 BingoBoingo http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?_r=0
21:31 assbot Log In - The New York Times
21:35 nubbins` http://imgur.com/VIRQVS1
21:35 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
21:36 nubbins` the greater black-backed gull
21:36 nubbins` protip: click to zoom
21:36 xiando Mr. McMurtry said his handling of a case is sometimes determined by department wish lists. "If you want the car, and you really want to put it in your fleet, let me know -- I'll fight for it," Mr. McMurtry said, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?_r=1 MUURICA and we got similar local laws last month
21:36 assbot Log In - The New York Times
21:37 xiando I remember when we had freedom of speech and property rights in Sweeden. Good times
21:37 joecool wat jewelry too hard to dispose of?
21:38 BingoBoingo joecool: The proceeds from selling that go into the general fund and not the law enforcement fund, so why bother?
21:38 cazalla xiando, now you just have niggers raping da white wimminz?
21:39 BingoBoingo Also yeah, jewellry is a sucker's market.
21:40 xiando Not sure if joke and I don't like the N word but: We do not have any here. None. I have perhaps seen 1 this year. People from the middle east? quite a lot. But no black people.
21:41 asciilifeform incidentally (ianal!!) but usa has a federal law prescribing punishment for destroying property in order to prevent, iirc, 'lawful seizure.' does this still apply for... unlawful seizure?
21:41 nubbins` "i don't like the N word but we do not have any here" lel any what?
21:42 xiando black people
21:42 nubbins` 8)
21:42 xiando My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull.
21:43 nubbins` sorry, i was just amused by the way you worded your sentence. i know what you mean :D
21:45 joecool lol i saw only 2 black people the month i was in newfoundland, was strange
21:47 ben_vulpes hey any webdevs with spare cycles want to work on a btc app with me?
21:48 ben_vulpes well "with me"
21:48 ben_vulpes i say "make this thing"
21:48 joecool he said the a-word, pass
21:49 joecool ben_vulpes: what's the budget
21:49 ben_vulpes the budget is half whatever it brings in over its lifetime
21:50 ben_vulpes its a tiny little thing for someone with too much time on their hands to grind on
21:50 cazalla xiando, we don't have black people in australia so i was not aware nigger is offensive, thank you for telling me
21:50 BingoBoingo cazalla: What about the Abbos?
21:50 cazalla !up Vexual
21:51 nubbins` ben_vulpes what's the app for
21:51 joecool abbies yo
21:51 cazalla BingoBoingo, they are not people
21:51 joecool good to know
21:51 Vexual xiando, I'm black and I hand out down by the canl in stockholm after sunset sometimes, you haven't seen me?
21:51 nubbins` Vexual whoa that's where i buy weed
21:51 nubbins` crazy
21:52 Vexual just jewelry
21:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20825 @ 0.00064844 = 13.5038 BTC [-] {2}
22:04 ben_vulpes ;;later tell nubbins btc in, webservice out
22:04 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:04 ben_vulpes ;;later tell nubbins probably stupid, but could be stood up and walked away from
22:04 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:11 decimation http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-11/001538.html << herr Walker reviews a book which describes the pitiful state of usg's land-based icbms
22:11 assbot Reading List: Command and Control (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
22:13 mircea_popescu xiando My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull. << who're you gonna believe.
22:13 decimation the lefties then interview young men who gave their youth to usg to 'man missiles' http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/air-force-missile-wing-minuteman-iii-nuclear-weapons-burnout
22:13 assbot Death Wears Bunny Slippers | Mother Jones
22:13 mircea_popescu <Vexual> xiando, I'm black << are you actually ?
22:14 mircea_popescu decimation inasmuch as those things are about as useful as the five foot tall plaster cake in a confectioner's window, wut diff does it make.
22:14 Vexual notrly
22:14 decimation what, the icbms?
22:15 mircea_popescu yes
22:16 decimation yeah: "Ditching the ICBMs would save taxpayers $14 billion over the next 10 years, but not everyone's a fan of the idea: Senators from states where the missiles are based and tested have formed an ICBM caucus that isn't shy to throw its weight around. As a condition for confirming Rose Gottemoeller, Obama's recent pick for undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, the caucus insisted that the Pentagon
22:16 decimation maintain all 454 ICBM silos, even through it is trimming the number of missiles to 400. (Yes, we will man and maintain 54 empty silos.)"
22:16 decimation "Instead, most defense experts believe that in almost all foreseeable scenarios we'd strike with a bomber or a submarine, deployed from nearby shores or military bases."
22:16 decimation it's pretty likely the Ruskies have already surveyed each icbm site to the millimeter
22:19 asciilifeform decimation: that was sorta the point. tie up opponent's rockets, fewer remain for cities and known sub coordinates
22:19 asciilifeform decimation: of course, this is back when the advantage of land rocket was used - they were once fitted with 'mirv'
22:20 decimation which makes more sense of course
22:20 asciilifeform so, the land rockets, sitting ducks as they were, were still forced targets
22:20 Vexual ftas is where its at
22:20 decimation and the youth who stumbled into the chumpatron of 'manning' the missiles become human statues
22:21 asciilifeform human statues << unlike every other military sentry?
22:21 asciilifeform srsly, they signed up for human statue detail
22:21 Vexual were signing with china to provide more beef every year than we have, checkmate
22:21 decimation asciilifeform: the youth in the motherjones story claims he wanted to be a pilot, air force changed the eyesight rules, suddenly a missiler is he
22:22 asciilifeform lol, it was always traditional wisdom that a fellow with less than perfect eyes will fly 'mahogany bombers'
22:22 decimation http://spacenews.com/article/military-space/42481us-missile-defense-agency-intercepts-three-targets-in-%E2%80%9Craid%E2%80%9D-test << usg wants to physically demonstrate ascii's anti-missiie theory
22:22 assbot U.S. Missile Defense Agency Intercepts Three Targets in “Raid” Test | SpaceNews.com
22:22 mod6 cazalla BingoBoingo would either of you guys mind tweeting out a link to this? http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/
22:22 assbot Bitcoin Declaration of Sovereignty Filed | Qntra.net
22:23 decimation "But during his senior year, the Air Force ended a waiver program that allowed cadets with imperfect vision—including Aaron—to earn their wings, so after graduation he grudgingly settled for a position at Malmstrom. He was hardly alone in his lack of enthusiasm: According to one study, less than one-third of missileers ever wanted that job. When Aaron hit on women in bars in Great Falls, he would sometimes say he was a wind
22:23 decimation turbine technician."
22:23 asciilifeform 'He later confessed to chatting for most of a night with the hotel's cigar sales lady, who was asking questions "about physics and optics"—and thinking to himself: "Dude, this doesn't normally happen." Carey was stripped of his command in October' << lol, 'cigar lady' gets 'order of lenin.'
22:24 decimation hehe
22:24 decimation the mind boggles at all the similar stories that are stuffed in some usg filing cabinet
22:25 asciilifeform all the 'mother jones' photos are from an ancient museum silo
22:25 asciilifeform i saw them a hundred times.
22:25 cazalla mod6, all posts get tweeted out automatically
22:25 asciilifeform shame.
22:25 asciilifeform what man, woman, child on planet hasn't seen the 'domino pizza' one ?
22:26 decimation asciilifeform: you see to show you inside of a 'real site' would reveal 60 year old secrets
22:26 asciilifeform lol, like the lock.
22:26 asciilifeform (posted here, ~6 mo. ago)
22:27 asciilifeform 'sewer pipes in two Malmstrom launch facilities ruptured and a deep stew of human waste lingered at the bottom of the capsules. Despite the intolerable stench, the colonel in charge refused to take the units offline for repair. The men were instead ordered to defecate in a cardboard box lined with a plastic bag, but since nobody wanted to carry the box upstairs when it got full, the missileers began relieving t
22:27 asciilifeform hemselves from a gangplank directly into the bottom of the capsule. This went on for four or five months.'
22:27 asciilifeform mega-lol.
22:27 decimation hehe yeah
22:27 decimation of course, the reason: "A string of investigations concluded that the nuclear corps had lost its "zero defect" culture. In response, the Air Force launched a program to "sustain, modernize, and recapitalize its nuclear capability." What that meant in practice, Aaron says, was punishing the rank and file for past mistakes while the colonels swept the bigger problems under the rug."
22:27 decimation this is generally standard usg management practice as far as I can tell
22:28 decimation pretend things are swell, shoot any messengers that say otherwise, rotate to a 'diversity tour' before mistakes are obvious
22:28 decimation I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too
22:29 mod6 cazalla: huh. ok. didn't see that one in the list. maybe i missed it?
22:31 cazalla mod6, i just checked, it didn't go out, i'm guessing the auto feed thing didn't catch it after i changed it from sgornick's account to mine
22:35 ben_vulpes this just in, the universe is a stochastic bitch: of all qntra posts, their tweetmachine failed to deliver the declaration of independence to the social media shitstew.
22:37 mod6 ben_vulpes: heheh
22:40 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> i saw them a hundred times. << the problem with the new, cheaper "media"
22:40 mircea_popescu using stock photos only works if you're read by monkeys.
22:40 mircea_popescu it's like a strategic decision that "people who read us aren't actually interested"
22:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#532023
22:41 assbot Logged on 26-02-2014 06:23:40; asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'
22:44 mircea_popescu <decimation> I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too << not exactly. http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/#footnote_0_51832
22:44 assbot Regulation for our lord Regulos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
22:44 mircea_popescu "samocritika"
22:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes clearly, sabotage.
22:44 mircea_popescu by the way ben_vulpes mod6 you two plan to make some sort of monthly "state of the bitcoin" address to go with jurov's reports ?
22:47 mircea_popescu "As the night proceeded, all of the Carter era military malaise became evident. The Air Force lied to local law enforcement and media about what was happening, couldn't communicate with first responders, failed to send an evacuation helicopter for a gravely injured person because an irrelevant piece of equipment wasn't available, and could not come to a decision about how to respond as the situation deteriorated. Also
22:47 mircea_popescu on display was the heroism of individuals, in the Air Force and outside, who took matters into their own hands on the spot, rescued people, monitored the situation, evacuated nearby farms in the path of toxic clouds, and improvised as events required."
22:47 mircea_popescu this is a pretty good quote. "oh noes, what would we do without government" ?
22:47 mircea_popescu i dunno dude. a) not have the problems and b) solve them the same exact way they're currently solved anyway ?
22:48 decimation right, once it is obvious that the emperor has no clothes, regular folks just take it upon themselves to solve problems
22:49 mircea_popescu but with or without the emperor, clothed or not, it is still the regular folks.
22:49 mircea_popescu this guy reading the code and that guy making the log work and so on and so forth
22:49 mircea_popescu the pretense of "government" is nothing but exactly that : pretense. useful, to a very limited degree, for fucktards, like the kids that won't "learn" unless there's santa there with the notebook.
22:50 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you underestimate the depth of the glue and the sharpness of the glass
22:50 mircea_popescu as if that sort of kid ever learns anything anyway.
22:50 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes howdja mean.
22:50 ben_vulpes but we'll bark a bit more on the mailing list and some qntra hound can round it up at whatever frequency they please.
22:50 ben_vulpes !s glue glass
22:50 assbot 3 results for 'glue glass' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=glue+glass
22:51 mircea_popescu i c
22:55 decimation https://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/d/367/ "1. The National Assembly decrees that hereditary nobility is forever abolished. Consequently, the titles of Prince, Duke, Count, Marquis, Viscount, Vidame, Baron, Knight, Lord, Squire, Noble, and all other similar titles shall neither be accepted by, nor bestowed upon, anyone whomsoever."
22:55 assbot Abolition of Nobility
22:56 decimation !up Vexual
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24391 @ 0.0006463 = 15.7639 BTC [-] {2}
23:11 Vexual I heard a great story about regular people getting shit done, it was the 1930s, aeroplanes and radio were the latest shit
23:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.000648 = 2.8836 BTC [+]
23:13 Vexual there was an intercontinental comp, all the latest birds.. the one aluminum beast in the race got into trouble in a storm in australia
23:14 Vexual i forget the rest, but they eneded up over some town that realised they were trying to land, and they broke into the town lighting and started doing morse code with the streetlights
23:15 Vexual then they broke into the radio station and told everyone to take their cars and make a landing strip with their headlights, it was a big success
23:15 decimation .... . .-.. .--.
23:17 decimation http://jalopnik.com/5906006/how-one-australian-town-helped-a-doomed-plane-win-historys-greatest-air-race
23:17 assbot How One Australian Town Helped A Doomed Plane Win History's Greatest Air Race
23:17 Vexual I'm prolly way off
23:18 Vexual I remember some other pilot hit the whisky hard and landed with half a gallon to spare
23:20 mod6 mircea_popescu: My plan for now is to just post a summary of the on-goings to the mailing list once per month. This seems like a good start. I can even coordinate with jurov to post the summary before the statement so he can link it in there.
23:21 Vexual his navigator and wife was unhappy
23:27 ben_vulpes might i note that while we have the lordship list Vexual and ninjashogun are some early "citizens" if i might be so bold
23:28 ben_vulpes individuals nobody in l1's posrating, but that still get upped whenever they come by
23:28 assbot Bagels7 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
23:28 ben_vulpes lol apropos
23:28 ben_vulpes !up bagels7
23:28 ben_vulpes bagels you got 0 l2 what you tryna do uppin yourself like that?
23:29 bagels7 Im really not sure
23:29 ben_vulpes ;;ident bagels7
23:29 gribble Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is identified as user 'Bagels7', with GPG key id 82C85EDC160BB29F, key fingerprint ACE4936BDD6EBB8338F5282E82C85EDC160BB29F, and bitcoin address None
23:29 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
23:31 ben_vulpes kakobrekla: that's abuse of your power
23:31 ben_vulpes he's not even noisy these days
23:31 Vexual it's a use
23:31 ben_vulpes owait misread the + for a -
23:32 mircea_popescu that's an abuse of your reading!
23:32 Vexual it's a use
23:32 ben_vulpes stop abusing me!
23:32 mircea_popescu bagels7 you xanthyos' friend ?
23:33 Vexual niki minaj does have a new track tho... hmm
23:33 bagels7 yes mircea_popescu
23:33 ben_vulpes Vexual: after all i've done for you...
23:34 ben_vulpes (i can't resist - what is it?!)
23:34 Vexual your newfound love of lisp
23:34 ben_vulpes no no the nikki
23:34 ben_vulpes i have just enough beer for 1 more nikki before i bounce
23:37 Vexual she might have been reading the logs
23:37 * asciilifeform fell into sin; for the first time in half a decade, cracked a copy protection gizmo
23:38 * asciilifeform grunted for ~100 hours on it, very gnarly boobytrap, defused.
23:39 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU769XX_dIQ
23:39 assbot Nicki Minaj - Only (Lyric) ft. Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown - YouTube
23:40 ben_vulpes ^^ for the third reich afficionados
23:40 asciilifeform nein nein nein nein nein.
23:41 * asciilifeform not impressed
23:41 Vexual lol
23:41 ben_vulpes it's the best modern america can do
23:48 Vexual .... . .-.. .--.
23:53 Vexual jurov is a title in this new state?
23:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes (isambard k. brunel!) - saw the 'github.' might be worth making a note on therealbitcoin.org re: the 'github' not being authoritative.
23:54 asciilifeform (can you see why important?)
23:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22978 @ 0.000648 = 14.8897 BTC [+]
23:59 Vexual is it because the rigged snakes and ladders borard i send as tribut eisn't on it?
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