00:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
btc on the other hand... |
00:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
fukn ponzi |
00:00 |
bitcoinpete |
lol pretty much |
00:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4187 @ 0.00095588 = 4.0023 BTC [+] |
00:04 |
bgupta |
So is there any way to cryptographically take a blockchain and split it into seperate blockchains but transfer value between the blockchains on a 1/1 ratio, without having them just simply be seperate blockchains with market dynamics? |
00:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00095218 = 3.5231 BTC [-] |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
00:39 |
bitcoinpete |
http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.ca/2008/10/everyone-can-be-super.html <<trainflakes |
00:39 |
ozbot |
The Epicurean Dealmaker: Everyone Can Be Super |
00:40 |
bitcoinpete |
"The gleaming monuments of every society are built high upon the bones and broken dreams of millions and millions of nobodies who hoped for something better." |
00:45 |
bitcoinpete |
"Here’s the straight dope: you ain’t that great, and you sure as hell ain’t that unique. Get in line with the other millions in your age group and suck it up." |
00:45 |
benkay |
;;later tell mircea_popescu let me tell you about this crazy thing some crypto cats were banging on at me about today. given a company who's interested in genes and a uni with a giant set of genes and phone numbers for each, how do you match the people with the company without the company revealing what sequence it's interested in or the uni the people's gene sequences? |
00:45 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
00:47 |
benkay |
;;later tell mircea_popescu "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control one computer working with the other two in lockstep to solve the problem. |
00:47 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
00:47 |
benkay |
asciilifeform: your wisdom and insight on the topic much appreciated to boot. |
00:47 |
benkay |
"semi homomorphic encryption and multiparty communication" is what the web tells me this snake oil is called. |
00:48 |
benkay |
off for the night, y'all. please break havelock for me |
00:49 |
bitcoinpete |
cheers |
00:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.067173 = 0.3359 BTC [-] {2} |
00:49 |
bitcoinpete |
we'll try |
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~ 42 minutes ~ |
01:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00095218 = 5.8083 BTC [-] |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
01:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095303 = 15.6297 BTC [+] |
02:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1257 @ 0.00095303 = 1.198 BTC [+] |
02:03 |
fluffypony |
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/justice/postal-worker-jailed-missing-mail/index.html |
02:03 |
ozbot |
Kentucky postal worker jailed for stashing 44,900 pieces of mail - CNN.com |
02:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0075 = 1.125 BTC [+] |
02:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06555962 = 6.556 BTC [-] {7} |
02:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.06522636 = 2.5438 BTC [-] {3} |
02:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.06263131 = 5.6368 BTC [-] {5} |
02:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095339 = 5.053 BTC [+] {2} |
02:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 266 @ 0.00083683 = 0.2226 BTC [+] {2} |
02:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00095099 = 10.7937 BTC [-] {4} |
03:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6243 @ 0.00095341 = 5.9521 BTC [+] |
03:06 |
fluffypony |
http://an7isec.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/pown-noobs-acunetix-0day.html |
03:06 |
ozbot |
An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day |
03:06 |
fluffypony |
nice |
03:06 |
fluffypony |
Naphex will enjoy that |
03:07 |
HeySteve |
hey fluffypony, do you know what sort of customs duty SA would charge on electronics imports? |
03:08 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve: it depends on what electronics...typically for PC components it's just 14% VAT and a release fee (R15 - R30) |
03:08 |
fluffypony |
because PC components are classified by customs as "spare parts" |
03:08 |
HeySteve |
I found a nice camera on coinsfortech selling for btc, works out about R7000 cheaper than on kalahari including shipping |
03:09 |
HeySteve |
ok so just the VAT thanks |
03:09 |
fluffypony |
yep |
03:09 |
fluffypony |
but |
03:09 |
fluffypony |
CoinsForTech ship with FedEx (SupaSwift is the local agent) |
03:10 |
fluffypony |
so you'll also have to pay their admin/documentation charges |
03:10 |
HeySteve |
are those expensive? |
03:10 |
fluffypony |
yeah, and a camera isn't electronics components, different tarriff heading |
03:11 |
fluffypony |
not sure what tariff heading they'll list it under |
03:11 |
fluffypony |
but it looks like they'll charge VAT |
03:11 |
fluffypony |
then |
03:12 |
fluffypony |
processing fee of R142.83, disbursement fee of R26.51, release fee of R2, all plus VAT |
03:12 |
HeySteve |
right. still about R4k cheaper, it's just the wait time |
03:13 |
fluffypony |
FedEx is fast - 5-10 actual days tops |
03:14 |
HeySteve |
cool thx |
03:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4207 @ 0.00095471 = 4.0165 BTC [+] |
03:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095417 = 9.7325 BTC [-] {2} |
03:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095488 = 6.0157 BTC [+] {2} |
03:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2107 @ 0.00095409 = 2.0103 BTC [-] |
04:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04417849 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3} |
04:07 |
fluffypony |
moiety: top o' the mornin' |
04:08 |
moiety |
morning! |
04:08 |
mircea_popescu |
heya! |
04:08 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: morning |
04:08 |
moiety |
how are you guys today? |
04:09 |
moiety |
i don't feel fully awake |
04:09 |
fluffypony |
also feeling a little bushed |
04:09 |
fluffypony |
need a third espresso |
04:09 |
wywialm |
hello moiety, hello mircea_popescu |
04:10 |
mircea_popescu |
you people and teh coffee habit. |
04:10 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey, wywialm didja read my fundamental thing on economics ? |
04:11 |
wywialm |
yes, i did, i'm in the process of responding |
04:12 |
wywialm |
it may take a day or so, unfortunately |
04:12 |
fluffypony |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Court-refuses-trial-by-combat.html |
04:12 |
ozbot |
Court refuses trial by combat - Telegraph |
04:13 |
wywialm |
would you like to discuss it in the channel or read my opinion in the comments? |
04:13 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm no rush! |
04:13 |
mircea_popescu |
comments better. |
04:13 |
wywialm |
sure |
04:14 |
mircea_popescu |
the channel is difficult to sort for all but the most advanced of wizards |
04:14 |
Naphex |
morning |
04:15 |
moiety |
I'm now imagining you in full wizard get up when in here |
04:15 |
moiety |
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/23/raf-fighter-jets-russian-bombers-scotland |
04:15 |
ozbot |
RAF fighter jets intercept Russian bombers off coast of Scotland | UK news | theguardian.com |
04:15 |
wywialm |
good morning, Naphex |
04:15 |
mircea_popescu |
A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a £25 fine for a minor motoring offence. |
04:15 |
mircea_popescu |
Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation. He said it would have been a "reasonable" way to settle the matter. |
04:15 |
mircea_popescu |
nice. |
04:15 |
moiety |
i don't think they were planning dropping off manuls |
04:16 |
mircea_popescu |
they were probably planning to show the raf it sucks. |
04:17 |
moiety |
probably. the base mentioned, Leuchars, is closing too |
04:21 |
moiety |
what happened with the max keiser fight night thing |
04:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00095074 = 8.5975 BTC [-] {2} |
04:24 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i don;t think the SOPS appreciate the seriousness of the problem. once people are actually willing to fight anyone you fucking name, to the death, your days are quite numbered. |
04:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ etc, |
04:24 |
ozbot |
The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
04:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06778263 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2} |
04:26 |
Naphex |
;;ident |
04:26 |
gribble |
Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu |
04:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00095614 = 16.5412 BTC [+] {2} |
04:37 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex cool. |
04:41 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex email. |
04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
!up CheckDavid |
04:50 |
assbot |
Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes. |
04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid |
04:50 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014 |
04:51 |
CheckDavid |
How does it work here now mircea_popescu ? |
04:51 |
fluffypony |
CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html |
04:52 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
04:52 |
CheckDavid |
Why not on the topic? |
04:53 |
mircea_popescu |
possibly because we prefer people ask |
04:53 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise because it was never considered |
04:53 |
CheckDavid |
I see. |
04:53 |
CheckDavid |
Glad I asked then. |
04:53 |
CheckDavid |
I have 0 trust :( |
04:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00095232 = 3.714 BTC [-] |
04:54 |
mircea_popescu |
you gotta get in the trustlist of someone assbot trusts |
04:56 |
CheckDavid |
I am not doing much business in here or even trading a single satoshi around |
04:56 |
CheckDavid |
So I don't know much ways on how to do that with begging |
04:57 |
CheckDavid |
Without |
04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea is that if you don't trade you prolly don't need voice. |
04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ < that's the philosophy involved. |
04:57 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
04:58 |
CheckDavid |
Actually I'm doing business |
04:58 |
fluffypony |
CheckDavid: go do some trades in -otc then? always good to have some historical ratings on the WoT |
04:58 |
CheckDavid |
I will ask around for that |
04:59 |
fluffypony |
there ya go :) |
04:59 |
CheckDavid |
Such a hassle to authenticate with gribble on a mobile device |
04:59 |
mircea_popescu |
CheckDavid if you're doing business, then you're definitely doing business with someone here at some point, or with someone they know. |
04:59 |
mircea_popescu |
a 1 isn't so hard to get historically. |
05:00 |
CheckDavid |
I see. I will get it |
05:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i suspect the reason why good crypto is a hassle on smartphones is exactly what one'd expect. |
05:01 |
CheckDavid |
How do you map a reason to an expectation? |
05:02 |
CheckDavid |
Your English is too advanced for me |
05:02 |
CheckDavid |
lol |
05:02 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, that it's not accidental, but deliberate, as part of a broader govt sponsored industry agreement to keep mobiles weak cryptographically |
05:02 |
fluffypony |
goes back to the NSA convo from yesterday |
05:03 |
CheckDavid |
Oh. NSA kinda stuff then rifht,? |
05:03 |
CheckDavid |
I see |
05:04 |
mircea_popescu |
as teh observation goes, all nsa successes to date are social engineering, not mathematical. |
05:04 |
mircea_popescu |
even if bounce would like us to believe they;'re smart, the record is actulaly that they're devious instead. |
05:05 |
chetty |
doesn't gubermint and devious mean the same thing? |
05:05 |
CheckDavid |
Who needs to be smart when you can fool a genius? |
05:05 |
CheckDavid |
Lol |
05:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/23/unique-ax-uses-physics-to-make-wood-chopping-smarter-not-harder/ |
05:05 |
ozbot |
Unique Ax Uses Physics to Make Wood Chopping Smarter, Not Harder | TheBlaze.com |
05:05 |
mircea_popescu |
check this shit out |
05:05 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the best looking fucking axe i've ever seen |
05:10 |
CheckDavid |
mircea_popescu: bunch of coolness in there |
05:10 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
05:11 |
CheckDavid |
I was sent a proposal to represent a business in acquiring projects for them on a commission based rewards schedule. |
05:11 |
CheckDavid |
It's startup in the it industry |
05:12 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: i recall visiting some old farm, and being shown tools that looked rudimentary, but were in fact perfectly balances as to minimize the strain on the farmer |
05:12 |
CheckDavid |
But confused me is how the commissions are based on the profit, and not on the sales volume or revenue |
05:12 |
davout |
s/balances/balanced/ |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
CheckDavid hm ? |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
davout indeed. |
05:13 |
CheckDavid |
mircea_popescu: the proposed commissions on the draft are based on profit |
05:13 |
CheckDavid |
Like. X% of the profit generated from my sale |
05:13 |
CheckDavid |
I have never seen this |
05:14 |
punkman |
that axe looks like it might be awkward when chopping horizontally |
05:15 |
chetty |
sounds like a bad deal CheckDavid , company can just spend whatever of ads and exec salaries and you get squat |
05:15 |
CheckDavid |
I know chetty . that's why I found it weird |
05:16 |
CheckDavid |
Dissimulating profits is a pretty straightforward process |
05:16 |
fluffypony |
CheckDavid: based on gross profit or net profit? |
05:16 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1794160/ |
05:17 |
CheckDavid |
It just says profit in the draft |
05:17 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman definitely. seems vertical. |
05:17 |
CheckDavid |
But it's just a draft |
05:17 |
fluffypony |
I mean, I can understand if there's a fixed CoS and they're calling (CoS - Sales) "profit" |
05:17 |
mircea_popescu |
CheckDavid i dunno what this is about ?! |
05:18 |
CheckDavid |
mircea_popescu: just a contract for sales rep that sets commissions to be based on profit instead of sales volume |
05:18 |
CheckDavid |
I was just wondering if this is normal |
05:18 |
CheckDavid |
Because I have never seen this kind of arrangement before |
05:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00095239 = 9.1906 BTC [+] |
05:20 |
mircea_popescu |
well... profit and sales volume correlate |
05:20 |
mircea_popescu |
so i guess it's just an arbitrary different comission % |
05:20 |
mircea_popescu |
item sells for 10k, profit is 1k, make 1% of net sales or 10% of net profit, same deal, you make 100 bux per item |
05:20 |
mircea_popescu |
!up CheckDavid |
05:20 |
assbot |
Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes. |
05:20 |
fluffypony |
CheckDavid: there is actually some precedent - I have a very good friend who moved here from Sweden to sell industrial cleaning equipment/supplies. he knows the cost of the product, and dependent on the size of the sale he can offer a discount to the client. his comm is based on the "profit" in that it's (sales - cost of sales), so he won't offer a discount on small sales but might determine it worthwhile reducing his comm on a larger sale |
05:22 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah it's kinda how large deals work. industrial equipment is a perfect example. |
05:22 |
mircea_popescu |
rarely used in consumer/retail |
05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
anywya, if you're working for a start-up you want either equity or a salary. |
05:23 |
CheckDavid |
mircea_popescu: yes. But it's for IT contracts. All contracts are different and have different details |
05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
in NO case do you work for a startup on a comission basis wtf is this, the land of where they get shit for free ? |
05:24 |
CheckDavid |
I see fluffypony . actually make sense |
05:24 |
CheckDavid |
mircea_popescu: really? I don't see why not |
05:24 |
CheckDavid |
It's sales after all |
05:24 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
05:25 |
mircea_popescu |
it's building their equity. either they pay for it or you get a share of it. |
05:25 |
CheckDavid |
I see. |
05:25 |
CheckDavid |
Well. |
05:25 |
CheckDavid |
The contacts I generate are supposed to generate life time commissions |
05:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so this is why you get equity |
05:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so that they DO generate lifetime comissions. |
05:26 |
CheckDavid |
Interesting point |
05:26 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
05:26 |
mircea_popescu |
people either mean what they say or they lie to you. |
05:26 |
mircea_popescu |
always very easy to find out which. just, need a little experience in business. |
05:27 |
fluffypony |
otherwise after a year or two the company can "fold" and reopen to service all the old clients, cutting you out the loop |
05:27 |
mircea_popescu |
"can". heh. |
05:27 |
CheckDavid |
I see. |
05:27 |
CheckDavid |
Though I was thinking about starting collaboration in a more informal manner. |
05:28 |
mircea_popescu |
informal only works if you're either part of the core or part of a group that can squish them. |
05:28 |
fluffypony |
there was a rental agency that had this awesome comm structure - find a tenant and you get half of their management fee for the lifetime of the tenant (they charge ~10% of the rent as a management fee) |
05:28 |
mircea_popescu |
that's why founderds deals work informally, and VCs deals not so much. |
05:28 |
CheckDavid |
I see. |
05:28 |
CheckDavid |
I am sure that works for you. |
05:29 |
CheckDavid |
But maybe I'm not in your position |
05:29 |
CheckDavid |
A position of experience and financial success |
05:29 |
fluffypony |
they exploded, dominated the scene as everyone referred their friends and all the home owners wanted tenants through them |
05:29 |
fluffypony |
fast forward 2 years and they "go bankrupt" and this new crowd that registered a business like a month ago "buys" all their existing contracts and databases and everything for $100 or something stupid |
05:29 |
CheckDavid |
For lack of better words |
05:29 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony happens all the damned time. i know like... two lawyers that ever successfully litigated the sort of shit |
05:29 |
mircea_popescu |
one of them's smoking hot too. |
05:30 |
fluffypony |
someone eventually connects that the new company is owned by the other guy's brother-in-law...cue shitstorm of epic proportions, but they got away with it because laws. |
05:31 |
CheckDavid |
I see |
05:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1002 @ 0.00095239 = 0.9543 BTC [+] |
05:32 |
CheckDavid |
I gotta hustle though |
05:32 |
mircea_popescu |
CheckDavid jus' sayin'. in the end you do what you gotta do, but always better if you know the score than if you don't. |
05:33 |
CheckDavid |
The score? Isnt that only known in the end of the game? |
05:33 |
CheckDavid |
I thought you were still telling me the rules of the game. |
05:33 |
CheckDavid |
Haha. My total lack of knowledge of these expressions. |
05:34 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yeah, but I think the legal framework in the EU in general is more mature...ZA law is Dutch-Roman with some British influence, but there's lots of stuff that has only come about more recently (eg. modern regulation of securities only happened with the Securities Services Act of 2004) |
05:36 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone seen gloria ? |
05:38 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, it's a great film. |
05:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00095232 = 0.9999 BTC [-] |
05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!up toddf |
05:40 |
assbot |
Voicing toddf for 30 minutes. |
05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!up LeMarkz |
05:40 |
assbot |
Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes. |
05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/g/gloria-script-transcript-gena-rowlands.html |
05:41 |
ozbot |
Gloria |
05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
"Fuck! He don't know the score. He sees a dame like you and a guy like me. He don't know." |
05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
said by a 6 yo puerto rican kid on the lam to a 50 yo retired blonde prostitute. |
05:42 |
toddf |
so am i in a void or is any news or chatter about picostocks.com just nonexistent? ;-) |
05:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google picostocks site:log.bitcoin-assets.com |
05:42 |
gribble |
NEXT: 06-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 11-06-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 30-11-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2013&bots=true> |
05:44 |
toddf |
ok so even here, chatter about picostocks is .. dated |
05:45 |
jurov |
http://www.xbiz.com/news/178172 orly |
05:45 |
ozbot |
Chase Bank Slams the Door on More Porn Stars - XBIZ.com |
05:46 |
mircea_popescu |
toddf it's a scam. forget about it already, move on. |
05:47 |
toddf |
mircea_popescu: picostocks + cointerra sure |
05:47 |
toddf |
I've put some money in, and have already returned my investment plus, keeps on truckin, so .. 100th at least seems not to be a scam to me |
05:47 |
toddf |
there are clearly bot based traders present, but how is that new vs other exchanges |
05:48 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointa.lk/threads/picostocks-100th-s-bitcoin-mine-100th.82106/#msg1495160 |
05:48 |
ozbot |
[PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] | Bitcointa.lk |
05:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06778368 = 0.3389 BTC [+] |
05:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a poor argument. if you read the logs you'll see you're by no means singular in making that error. |
05:49 |
toddf |
yes I've followed the thread, same content as on bitcointalk.org |
05:49 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, it's the forum of record |
05:49 |
toddf |
so "I made money, just curious to talk to others who are also there" is a bad argument? |
05:49 |
cazalla |
toddf: shamefur dispray |
05:49 |
mircea_popescu |
(keeps everything, including the posts scamtalk.org mods try to hide) |
05:50 |
mircea_popescu |
toddf it is, yes. |
05:50 |
mircea_popescu |
it's an exact restatement of "driving faster than i can handle the car while drunk is safe, because i got home alright" |
05:50 |
mircea_popescu |
you will get fucked one day, and that day you will lose more than all your aggregate gains. |
05:51 |
mircea_popescu |
ask jurov, ask bugpowder, ask duffer ask what, dozens of people. |
05:51 |
mircea_popescu |
every single pirate investor "made money". until they didn't. |
05:51 |
toddf |
hmm, guess I'll focus on refining my btc-e.com trading bot |
05:52 |
mircea_popescu |
rithm is not voiced, so he can't say anything about thatg :D |
05:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06779999 = 0.339 BTC [+] |
05:53 |
toddf |
if ppl not voiced wanna privchat me about picostocks fine. so .. I'll ensure I have net positive out and consinder continued income non reliable .. *shrug*. |
05:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06779999 = 0.678 BTC [+] {2} |
05:55 |
jurov |
http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/ |
05:55 |
jurov |
blockchain bombardment from orbit |
05:55 |
toddf |
yeah, that was interesting news when i first read about it |
05:55 |
toddf |
akin to broadcasting usenet news from orbit |
05:56 |
toddf |
wonder when someone will skip the expense and simply start broadcasting bitcoin blocks via usenet .. which then can come to you .. from orbit .. |
05:57 |
toddf |
'course not the nifty easy receiver mobile device and all that but hey, multiple paths mean more resiliancy right? |
05:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0678 = 0.5424 BTC [+] |
06:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00095232 = 4.9521 BTC [-] |
06:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00095257 = 6.0907 BTC [+] {3} |
06:18 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov twas here yest :D |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
06:43 |
Naphex |
rainy day |
06:43 |
Naphex |
;/ |
06:44 |
jurov |
hm, that's like 1000 lines ago |
06:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00095232 = 3.476 BTC [-] |
06:58 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen ThickAsThieves |
06:58 |
gribble |
ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> fukn ponzi |
06:59 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen dooglus |
06:59 |
gribble |
dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu? |
07:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00095091 = 8.6495 BTC [-] {2} |
07:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9054 @ 0.00095325 = 8.6307 BTC [+] |
07:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009556 = 5.3514 BTC [+] |
07:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
good morn |
07:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
so the neo software guys responded, you'll like this |
07:22 |
Anduck |
neo as? |
07:22 |
fluffypony |
Neo&Bee |
07:22 |
Anduck |
what he responded? |
07:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
read the logs |
07:22 |
fluffypony |
the (former) software devs are still figuring things out |
07:22 |
Anduck |
ThickAsThieves: no |
07:22 |
fluffypony |
and ThickAsThieves asked them to come here and chat to us |
07:23 |
Anduck |
will they come? |
07:23 |
Anduck |
is there a good summary of that whole neo bee casE? |
07:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
... |
07:23 |
fluffypony |
let's find out...back to you in the studio, ThickAsThieves |
07:23 |
Anduck |
sorry |
07:23 |
Anduck |
they give + to people with no news knowledge |
07:23 |
Anduck |
x |
07:23 |
Anduck |
D |
07:23 |
fluffypony |
Anduck: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/ |
07:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;gettrust anduck |
07:23 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012 |
07:23 |
fluffypony |
goot starting point |
07:23 |
fluffypony |
*good |
07:24 |
Anduck |
ok |
07:24 |
Anduck |
!up only |
07:24 |
assbot |
Voicing only for 30 minutes. |
07:24 |
Anduck |
buwahhahahahw |
07:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
anduck. what i am referring to has absolutely nothing to do with revelations about what happened to make Neo fall |
07:25 |
Anduck |
alright |
07:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
for the most part, that situation is now up to Danny and the authorities |
07:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
"HI John, |
07:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps. |
07:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes. |
07:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. |
07:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
Thanks much! |
07:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
Michalis" |
07:26 |
fluffypony |
l |
07:26 |
fluffypony |
o |
07:26 |
fluffypony |
l |
07:26 |
Anduck |
btw |
07:26 |
Anduck |
tldr neo bee CEO ran with coins, all others are innocent? |
07:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
you could really benefit from understanding the world around you in its true form |
07:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
rather than converting everything into a summary |
07:27 |
Anduck |
true |
07:27 |
Anduck |
but i am leaving in 2 mins |
07:27 |
Anduck |
no time to read big papers |
07:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
it can wait |
07:27 |
Anduck |
true |
07:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/24/5646554/andy-warhols-lost-amiga-computer-art-photo-essay |
07:28 |
ozbot |
Andy Warhol's Amiga computer art found 30 years later | The Verge |
07:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves you have a mpex acct right ? |
07:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
yes |
07:29 |
Anduck |
lol |
07:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ok i got a business proposition for you |
07:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
shoot |
07:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
did you know that Amiga pixels were rectangles, not squares |
07:30 |
mircea_popescu |
it goes like this : the s.mpif is going to be reporting its assets monthly. meanwhile it will probably trade. there should be a mechanism to buy/sell shares to ensure the market stays liquid and more or less alligned to net value. so what i want to do is : |
07:30 |
mircea_popescu |
ima make you a s.mpif manager, give you 50 BTC , your job is to try and make a profit trading s.mpif of mpex. |
07:30 |
mircea_popescu |
you get a 10% cut of the results, report your trades monthly. |
07:31 |
mircea_popescu |
this is also good because it gives some anchor to the fund |
07:31 |
mircea_popescu |
(it's roughjly the equivalent of a normal ib liquidity clause) |
07:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
i will have some questions, probly in private |
07:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
been awake 10min also |
07:31 |
mircea_popescu |
take your time. |
07:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
thanks |
07:31 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda planning to announce the management rooster today, you'd be the 5th. |
07:32 |
Anduck |
what is mpif? |
07:32 |
Anduck |
mircea popescus investment fund i assume |
07:32 |
mircea_popescu |
Anduck tsk tsk not reading teh logs are we |
07:32 |
fluffypony |
Anduck: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ |
07:32 |
Anduck |
i never read logs if i am not hilighted |
07:32 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: can you make assbot ping Anduck every day at a random time? :-P |
07:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, quit leaning on us to fill in your brain holes! |
07:32 |
mircea_popescu |
!down Anduck |
07:32 |
assbot |
mircea_popescu, you can't do that to Anduck. |
07:32 |
mircea_popescu |
tsk. |
07:33 |
Anduck |
mircea_popescu: haha |
07:33 |
Anduck |
off i go |
07:33 |
Anduck |
-< |
07:33 |
mircea_popescu |
you get the point. |
07:34 |
davout |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135181.msg6366978#msg6366978 <<< lmao |
07:34 |
ozbot |
MagicalTux? |
07:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
mp you see my quoted email from Neo software guys? |
07:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's like a dream |
07:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i didnt get to lulz yet, still working on you know, actual things :D |
07:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
word |
07:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0009556 = 2.2457 BTC [+] |
07:36 |
fluffypony |
davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2134 |
07:36 |
fluffypony |
"No one will ever beat this guy's record." |
07:36 |
fluffypony |
lawl |
07:37 |
davout |
;;gettrust MagicalTux |
07:37 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -7 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010 |
07:38 |
davout |
;;rate MagicalTux -10 |
07:38 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded. |
07:38 |
davout |
;;rate mtgox -10 |
07:38 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mtgox has been recorded. |
07:38 |
davout |
now back to more productive endeavours |
07:39 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated magicaltux |
07:39 |
gribble |
You have not yet rated user magicaltux |
07:39 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
07:39 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate magicaltux -1 Overly large fuckwit. |
07:39 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user magicaltux has been recorded. |
07:39 |
davout |
;;rated jgarzik |
07:39 |
gribble |
You have not yet rated user jgarzik |
07:39 |
davout |
;;gettrust jgarzik |
07:39 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=jgarzik | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jgarzik | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:30 2010 |
07:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;rate MagicalTux -10 took all my lulz away |
07:39 |
gribble |
Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. |
07:39 |
fluffypony |
lol - "If gox is solvent I'll buy you a Frappucino" |
07:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
weird |
07:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
i never logged out |
07:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
gribble blinked? |
07:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
i still haz voice tho |
07:40 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: was offline for a bit |
07:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
hax |
07:40 |
davout |
;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites |
07:40 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user jgarzik has been recorded. |
07:40 |
davout |
;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites, dat bounty |
07:40 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jgarzik has changed from 3 to 3. |
07:40 |
davout |
;;gettrust ladybytes |
07:40 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user ladybytes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=ladybytes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ladybytes | Rated since: never |
07:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Al Gore asserted that its crucial for global philanthropists to impose fertility management on Africa. |
07:41 |
mircea_popescu |
if you like your big penis you can keep your big penis. |
07:42 |
asciilifeform |
snippetysnip |
07:43 |
davout |
;;rate justmoon 1 met IRL, nice guy |
07:43 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justmoon has been recorded. |
07:43 |
fluffypony |
looking at the new TLDs that are available...I can get rs.guru |
07:43 |
fluffypony |
lawl |
07:44 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: mp.ceo is still available |
07:44 |
mircea_popescu |
i couldn't care less tbh |
07:45 |
davout |
;;rate molecular 1 met IRL, nice guy |
07:45 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user molecular has been recorded. |
07:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
ceo is a domain tld? |
07:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00095222 = 9.3318 BTC [-] {2} |
07:46 |
asciilifeform |
do we get a '.wtf' ? |
07:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
or .dotdot |
07:48 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: yerp |
07:49 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: you can get tat.ventures |
07:49 |
fluffypony |
.enterprises is also available |
07:49 |
ozbot |
-.- |
07:49 |
ozbot |
-.- |
07:49 |
ozbot |
earn currently unavailable |
07:49 |
fluffypony |
ozbot: I think I confused you |
07:50 |
* |
jurov runs for jurov.vermögensberatung |
07:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.52695644 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {5} |
07:50 |
* |
fluffypony asks his wife for a translation |
07:50 |
fluffypony |
wealth consultant? |
07:51 |
jurov |
in practice just salesman of "life insurance" |
07:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-] |
07:51 |
fluffypony |
ah ok |
07:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04150006 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3} |
07:53 |
mircea_popescu |
blutjunge.verführerinnen ftw |
07:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.031988 = 0.128 BTC [-] |
07:53 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i love how english berating and german beratung are cognates. |
07:53 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
07:54 |
mircea_popescu |
consultancy, in the germanz view, is "omfg you are so stupid i can not even believe how stupid you are" |
07:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04111429 = 0.2878 BTC [-] {2} |
08:04 |
thestringpuller |
kakobrekla: what kind of bot is assbot? |
08:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
a kind one |
08:04 |
thestringpuller |
>:( unlike ThickAsThieves |
08:05 |
asciilifeform |
'tis a machine that threads arses. thought this was clear. |
08:08 |
mircea_popescu |
supybot i thought |
08:09 |
asciilifeform |
https://web.archive.org/web/20050309210742/http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html |
08:09 |
ozbot |
#tex2html_wrap430# |
08:09 |
asciilifeform |
^ promised this to people at the conference |
08:10 |
kakobrekla |
its not supy |
08:10 |
kakobrekla |
i made it so its not anything |
08:11 |
kakobrekla |
it was coded way before -assets tbh, then repurchased |
08:11 |
kakobrekla |
eh |
08:11 |
kakobrekla |
autofail |
08:11 |
kakobrekla |
repurposed |
08:12 |
kakobrekla |
interestingly it tries to fix the correct word. |
08:12 |
asciilifeform |
phun phact. you can't buy a XC6216 now - for love or money. |
08:12 |
kakobrekla |
anyway im off for a couple of hrs. later |
08:13 |
asciilifeform |
(XC6216 was the one and only known fpga where random wiring was guaranteed -never- to release the magic smoke.) |
08:15 |
asciilifeform |
it was also the only xilinx chip with 100% documented internals. |
08:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ << updated, lots of stuff. including teh managers/pcs etc. |
08:18 |
ozbot |
The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
08:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00095439 = 0.44 BTC [+] |
08:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: crew man #5 (TaT) sort of reminds me of my first exposure to MPEx. |
08:25 |
mircea_popescu |
how so ? |
08:25 |
asciilifeform |
well, it was 'here, try to make profit, do what you like' |
08:25 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe |
08:25 |
asciilifeform |
'here's a chaingun, kid, have fun' |
08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
it's how you treat kids you'd like to see grow up into people. |
08:28 |
asciilifeform |
i assume all five fronts are manually-driven, like soviet nuke subs ? |
08:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00095197 = 3.6651 BTC [-] |
08:31 |
chetty |
http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/EYUaXpcFAArImWCAnJ5nPg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY4MTtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-04-24T111324Z_1272560593_GM1EA4O15BV01_RTRMADP_3_JAPAN-USA-OBAMA.JPG |
08:32 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: lol, mein Führer is permitted near a robot ?! |
08:33 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: mazeltov for S.MPIF ! |
08:35 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, he is bowing to it |
08:36 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: good time for a tragic 'bug', i'd say. |
08:36 |
chetty |
awww |
08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
davout :D |
08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes, which is why they have their own managers |
08:38 |
asciilifeform |
in his place, i'd avoid standing next to programmable hydraulics. |
08:39 |
jurov |
did obama try google car yet? |
08:39 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, nah he has best insurance policy - its called Biden |
08:39 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
08:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://cs320531.vk.me/v320531523/742f/5YlAkJjGgaA.jpg |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay sure. a lot of excellent application for homomorphisms in crypto, many of them empowered/exposed by bitcoin |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
and the subsequent developments in finance. |
08:41 |
asciilifeform |
homomorph? what'd i miss in the log? |
08:41 |
asciilifeform |
damn |
08:43 |
asciilifeform |
benkay: "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control << this is an entire science. see, for instance, Pascal Paillier's boojum. |
08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
whoa http://www.sogou.com/ |
08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently i'm huge in china |
08:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00455081 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {3} |
08:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00451371 = 0.1535 BTC [-] |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#639568 <<< funny how fucking wrong he were :D |
08:53 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean... not a single correct one at all. 0. zilch. nada. |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"i will take my prize in atc" the man says. |
08:55 |
asciilifeform |
now toast to the five sappers. may they never err. |
08:56 |
mircea_popescu |
centanni |
08:58 |
Naphex |
woot. new servers got here :D |
08:58 |
Naphex |
time to do some benchs |
08:59 |
Naphex |
2xE5-2640v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 8x256GB(SAM/SSD) - LSI9271-8i 2RU :D |
09:00 |
fluffypony |
nice |
09:01 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? |
09:01 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
09:01 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: how bout a toast to true capitalism? |
09:02 |
Naphex |
2xE5-2620v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 2x600GB(ST/SAS) - LSi9260-4i 1RU |
09:02 |
Naphex |
for the smallies |
09:02 |
Naphex |
:D |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_IjnqCUAELlUW.png |
09:05 |
Naphex |
haha |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_B5p6CcAAEBhd.png |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
this dude |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
why is he not in the wot is what i wanna know. clearly he's seeking the approval of the people that make the world turn |
09:07 |
Naphex |
http://gfycat.com/ElderlyAptCorydorascatfish - i loled hard :)) |
09:07 |
ozbot |
You got goxed - Gfycat |
09:07 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, DRKP or KDPR or DERP or wtf it's called secret services : drop the man a memo wtf. |
09:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52194701 = 1.0439 BTC [-] {2} |
09:08 |
fluffypony |
;;rate kimjongun 1 our glorious leader |
09:08 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
09:08 |
fluffypony |
:( |
09:09 |
asciilifeform |
if the kid can sign up for 'warcraft', why not wot ? |
09:10 |
mircea_popescu |
cause the idjits at his ss ain't doin' their job. |
09:10 |
mircea_popescu |
you hear me ? put down the white powder and get to work, pancakefaces! |
09:10 |
fluffypony |
pankkakefaces? |
09:10 |
mircea_popescu |
well they're not french |
09:11 |
mircea_popescu |
"1 in 7 crimes committed in New York City now involves an Apple product being stolen." |
09:11 |
mircea_popescu |
APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG |
09:17 |
davout |
betar ban ny |
09:19 |
HeySteve |
looks like some gox coins went into maidsafe |
09:19 |
HeySteve |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370852#msg6370852 |
09:20 |
HeySteve |
how you guys all doing today? |
09:27 |
fluffypony |
well, it it's good enough for Karpeles, it's good enough for me |
09:28 |
* |
fluffypony invests all his ATC in MaidSafe |
09:29 |
Luke-Jr |
[13:11:59] <mircea_popescu> APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG <-- please! |
09:30 |
asciilifeform |
s/banned/mandatory |
09:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00095084 = 3.2329 BTC [-] |
09:36 |
hanbot |
;;rate asciilifeform 1 Valiant soldier of solder. |
09:36 |
gribble |
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09:36 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: opinion on Voxility srl? |
09:36 |
chetty |
http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.033601 |
09:36 |
ozbot |
Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 033601 (2013) - Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced |
09:37 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: next thing we know, we're using delay-line storage again. |
09:37 |
asciilifeform |
and it's 1958 again. |
09:39 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, sometimes I think that would be an improvement |
09:39 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: never used them. but i'n genereal i wouldn't run bitcoin services on anything else then dedicated owned servers :P |
09:40 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: I'm not, just a friend using them for his ownCloud data (1gbps colocated box) |
09:41 |
asciilifeform |
;;rate hanbot 1 had the honour of meeting this user in person. |
09:41 |
gribble |
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09:42 |
Naphex |
i'm not a fan of the cloud |
09:42 |
Naphex |
i still prefer having my own serves(bought hardware), coloc'd at industrial datacenters |
09:42 |
Naphex |
where you get an account manager that you know |
09:42 |
Naphex |
:P |
09:43 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: http://owncloud.org - it's just a FOSS implementation of a Google Drive/DropBox style service, so you have to host your own server to run it |
09:43 |
asciilifeform |
that's like building a replica of public toilet in your house. |
09:43 |
asciilifeform |
sure, you can... but why |
09:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC |
09:44 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: if you're a company that doesn't want to trust your data to DropBox for sensitivity reasons, but still need to have similar functionality, it's great |
09:44 |
fluffypony |
not talking about über-paranoid data, but spreadsheets and docs and the like |
09:46 |
asciilifeform |
if you're inside friendly walls, even 'nfs' ought to suffice |
09:46 |
hanbot |
;;rate davout 1 Delivered a worthy smackdown. |
09:46 |
gribble |
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09:46 |
Naphex |
off home. later |
09:47 |
hanbot |
;;rate mike_c 1 Steel will, neat skills. |
09:47 |
gribble |
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09:47 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: agreed, but this is for contractors and staff scattered all over the place; all ownCloud comm is over an https api |
09:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC |
09:49 |
fluffypony |
the dude looking at the MaidSafe investments: "I've traced back the BTC Guild admin too. There're big guys involved in this scam." |
09:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12581 @ 0.00095187 = 11.9755 BTC [+] |
09:51 |
fluffypony |
;;later tell bitcoinpete oh look, surprise surprise, stolen mtgox coins have been invested in MaidSafe - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370815#msg6370815 |
09:51 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
09:53 |
hanbot |
;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag. |
09:53 |
gribble |
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09:53 |
HeySteve |
this rickety tincan s'effrican internet can go to the devil |
09:53 |
HeySteve |
learnt to tolerate most of it the time but writing breaking news is not the time for this crap |
09:54 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve: run a bouncer off a VPS or something, then you won't miss anything |
09:54 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve: MTN's fibre-to-the-home stuff is coming later this year |
09:54 |
HeySteve |
well there's the log, but it's that I'm trying to verify the story by searching about the blockchain and forum |
09:54 |
fluffypony |
should be a lot more stable than DSL |
09:54 |
HeySteve |
fluffypony, yeah just heard, praise jebus |
09:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095084 = 3.0427 BTC [-] |
09:55 |
bounce |
pfft. some adsl is perfectly stable. |
09:56 |
fluffypony |
bounce: depends on your distance to the MSAN here |
09:56 |
fluffypony |
most of our phone lines are still on wooden poles |
09:57 |
fluffypony |
with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole |
09:57 |
HeySteve |
eh, was just on roof with pole trying to connect to WUG but trees seem to have firmly occluded signals |
09:58 |
HeySteve |
not my year for comms |
09:58 |
HeySteve |
sure I could've got thru that to someone with better net, despite their "T&Cs" |
10:00 |
HeySteve |
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24 |
10:02 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve: you linked to blockchain.info/ru/tags which is russian |
10:03 |
HeySteve |
damn |
10:03 |
HeySteve |
thanks man |
10:04 |
HeySteve |
just saw it was in english |
10:04 |
asciilifeform |
the hell's 'maidsafe' |
10:04 |
asciilifeform |
defence against 'evil maid attack' ? |
10:04 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? |
10:04 |
HeySteve |
I ain't 100% sure myself but basically decentralised interwebs |
10:04 |
HeySteve |
a bit like Freenet I think |
10:05 |
asciilifeform |
if like freenet, it needs coin why? |
10:05 |
HeySteve |
seemed nice from the PR I guess? then there was some associated bullshit with Mastercoin pay-ins to get MaidSafe coins - I didn't really follow the story tho |
10:05 |
HeySteve |
so it seems scammy and now Karpeles is jumping in to the scam pool |
10:05 |
HeySteve |
apparently |
10:06 |
davout |
;;rate hanbot 1 delivered a fuckton of worthy smackdowns |
10:06 |
gribble |
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10:08 |
hanbot |
davout oui |
10:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00470969 = 0.3485 BTC [+] {2} |
10:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095084 = 4.2788 BTC [-] |
10:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
welcome hanbot! |
10:08 |
hanbot |
why ty |
10:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.00471 = 1.3235 BTC [+] |
10:10 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: it's basically exactly like Freenet except for some reason they "need" $3.5 mil to write the software and launch |
10:10 |
hanbot |
;;rate thickasthieves 1 Conscientious reflector. |
10:10 |
gribble |
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10:12 |
HeySteve |
fluffypony where did you find that quote from the guy looking into Maidsafe? |
10:12 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve: on the thread |
10:12 |
fluffypony |
lemme find it |
10:12 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6372186#msg6372186 |
10:15 |
asciilifeform |
;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! |
10:15 |
gribble |
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10:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC |
10:17 |
HeySteve |
thanks |
10:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC |
10:24 |
hanbot |
;;rate jurov 1 A dili-, intelli-, gent. |
10:24 |
gribble |
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10:25 |
jurov |
you're welcome. coinbr customer or? |
10:25 |
fluffypony |
jurov: [16:04:49] <+davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? |
10:25 |
asciilifeform |
yes |
10:25 |
hanbot |
nod |
10:25 |
jurov |
oh :) |
10:26 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: they "need" $3.5 mil << one could build a... submarine. for this |
10:26 |
bounce |
and then you have a submarine. then what? |
10:26 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: so going back to your bitcoin-undersea-nodes idea;) |
10:26 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: unterseeminer |
10:26 |
fluffypony |
^^ |
10:27 |
asciilifeform |
just example. |
10:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
the pinodecchio would need to be located in places deemed unfishable |
10:27 |
jurov |
how would they broadcast? ultrasound? or they'll automatically seek and tap fiber? |
10:27 |
asciilifeform |
;;google SOFAR |
10:27 |
gribble |
Sofar Sounds: <http://sofarsounds.com/>; SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel>; Eminem - So Far (Lyrics On Screen) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEXEiY72JA> |
10:27 |
bounce |
maybe cheaper to get a 2nd hand sea platform or something |
10:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00095187 = 8.8048 BTC [+] |
10:28 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: platform - psh. the whole point is to put them where nosy parkers can't get at them |
10:28 |
asciilifeform |
or, when they do, barometer triggers detonator |
10:29 |
bounce |
parkers? but wouldn't a cold war bunker be cheaper then? |
10:29 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: not if you want 10,000 of them |
10:29 |
fluffypony |
if anyone wants me to put them down as a CoinBr referral...first to give me their invitation code gets it |
10:30 |
asciilifeform |
consider the cost of sailing to just one precisely-specified coordinate pair in the deep sea |
10:30 |
bounce |
that's 3.5e11 dollahs. maybe a little on the spendy side. |
10:31 |
bounce |
oh, 3.5e10, my bad. |
10:31 |
asciilifeform |
point was, if the only object is to put machines in physically-inaccessible places, rather than cover the planet with radio, the sea is a more appropriate place than orbit. |
10:31 |
bounce |
do you need mobility? access? |
10:31 |
asciilifeform |
no mobility |
10:31 |
asciilifeform |
no repair |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
just ampoules of inconel alloy, straddling the thermocline. |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
with some very simplish silicon inside. |
10:32 |
bounce |
then concrete caissons might be more appropriate. |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
1km down? |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
10:33 |
bounce |
why not? just thicken them up a bit. perhaps fill with cooling liquid if pressure becomes a problem. no need for air inside. |
10:34 |
asciilifeform |
no need for caissons. plain anchors would suffice. |
10:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
fluffypony Q9gPSuUvYS |
10:34 |
fluffypony |
oh there we go |
10:35 |
fluffypony |
just in time |
10:35 |
bounce |
you're trying to play a numbers game. why the spendy alloys when something stupid like concrete would do? |
10:35 |
jurov |
saltwater breaks down concrete |
10:36 |
jurov |
or at least permeates |
10:36 |
jurov |
you'd like your payload dry, i suppose |
10:39 |
bounce |
plastic liner, perhaps mineral oil instead of air for a filler |
10:40 |
bounce |
entirely underwater appears to be less of a problem than half-submerged |
10:42 |
bounce |
http://www.concreteconstruction.net/concrete-construction/salt-water-concrete.aspx |
10:42 |
ozbot |
Salt-water Concrete - Concrete Construction |
10:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03249999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2} |
10:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0435 = 0.261 BTC [+] {2} |
10:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2} |
10:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-] |
10:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19659 @ 0.00095061 = 18.688 BTC [-] {4} |
10:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24041 @ 0.00094938 = 22.824 BTC [-] {2} |
11:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC |
11:02 |
fluffypony |
crumbs, so someone suggested returning the mtgox coins sent to MaidSafe to the sender - so Dan Larimer from BitShares says: "Sending them back to the thief? That makes no sense. They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief." |
11:02 |
fluffypony |
meanwhile there are 6 hops between the "mtgox" address and the ScamSafe address, any of which could be an exchange or a tumbler |
11:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00095187 = 9.4702 BTC [+] |
11:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00094924 = 13.3843 BTC [-] {2} |
11:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032948 = 0.1977 BTC [+] |
11:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] |
11:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [-] |
11:16 |
mike_c |
kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) |
11:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] |
11:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
i have additional request, a "scroll to bottom" button on the log |
11:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
mostly for mobile |
11:18 |
mike_c |
to avoid having to press the 'end' key? |
11:18 |
mike_c |
ah |
11:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
unless there is some magical stroke in android? |
11:18 |
mike_c |
not that i know of |
11:18 |
jurov |
yes, for tables it's nice too. i had to install some obscure threefinger dolphin plugin |
11:19 |
jurov |
for "scroll to end" |
11:28 |
mike_c |
and if you're in there, small bug report: weight_current is an int, but weight_end is a string. |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
11:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
apparently i know a guy that knows a guy here: https://www.atlasats.com/about |
11:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, |
11:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://www.atlasats.com |
11:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
seems the offer options |
11:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
they |
11:45 |
mike_c |
multi-tiered multi-firewall. sounds secure! |
11:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
^0^ |
11:48 |
benkay |
jurov that porn star bank thing is just unreal |
11:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/24/voicemail_still_easy_to_hack/ |
11:51 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves |
11:51 |
fluffypony |
those are the guys that are partnering with that "National Stock Exchange" crowd? |
11:52 |
fluffypony |
yes looks like they are |
11:53 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu: regarding the emacs thing, it's just a bit of lisp to make working with gribble and assbot a little more pleasant. |
11:58 |
benkay |
ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? |
12:01 |
fluffypony |
http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/ |
12:02 |
benkay |
who is hanbot ? |
12:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.55993150 BTC to 7`105 shares, 36030 satoshi per share |
12:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00095187 = 1.1137 BTC [+] |
12:02 |
benkay |
hanbot, who are you? |
12:02 |
benkay |
;;gettrust hanbot |
12:02 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask hanbot!~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot. Trust relationship from user benkay to user hanbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=hanbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hanbot | Rated since: Wed Dec 11 14:42:14 2013 |
12:02 |
asciilifeform |
benkay: hanbot aka mpoepr |
12:02 |
hanbot |
benkay MPOE-PR |
12:03 |
jurov |
ThickAsThieves: did you publish the email somewhere? |
12:03 |
benkay |
was hoping. nice to have you. |
12:03 |
benkay |
;;rate hanbot 1 |
12:03 |
gribble |
Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. |
12:03 |
benkay |
wat |
12:04 |
benkay |
is there an ident timeout? |
12:04 |
benkay |
;;eauth benkay |
12:04 |
gribble |
Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA |
12:04 |
hanbot |
benkay cheers |
12:04 |
benkay |
;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b6805062a69d88d6bbd941cb26ed5f37f08141da4d583b9f9ce7e73e |
12:04 |
gribble |
You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA |
12:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? /// wow, good call |
12:04 |
benkay |
;;rate hanbot 1 |
12:04 |
gribble |
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12:05 |
benkay |
still curious about timeout |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
yes jurov the latest email says: HI John, |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps. |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes. |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
Thanks much! |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
Michalis |
12:05 |
benkay |
;;unrate fluffypony |
12:05 |
gribble |
Error: You have not given this nick a rating previously. |
12:05 |
benkay |
;;unrate mrstickball |
12:05 |
gribble |
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12:06 |
benkay |
;;unrate cgcardona_ |
12:06 |
gribble |
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12:06 |
benkay |
;;unrate dignork |
12:06 |
gribble |
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12:06 |
benkay |
;;unrate TestingUnoDosTres |
12:06 |
gribble |
Error: The target nick does not exist in the database. |
12:07 |
benkay |
;;unrate TestingUnoDosTre |
12:07 |
gribble |
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12:07 |
benkay |
mas bueno. |
12:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
jurov otherwise i'll leave it to them to present a more elaborate document of their plan |
12:08 |
fluffypony |
benkay: mass unrates? |
12:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
looks like rates he gave for +m purposes |
12:09 |
benkay |
<fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << and i thought the romanian internet situation was dire. |
12:10 |
benkay |
fluffypony, ThickAsThieves i'm testing a scarcity hunch |
12:10 |
benkay |
i'll let you know how it goes in a decade. |
12:10 |
fluffypony |
benkay: when the wind blows that piece of wire hits a tree and our Internet drops |
12:10 |
asciilifeform |
benkay: the romanian internet situation was dire << don't know about the rest of Ro, but in Timis. there were fiber bundles as thick as a man's neck, everywhere. |
12:10 |
fluffypony |
and we have reboot the router to reconnect |
12:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
"At ZeroBlock, we encourage all exchanges in the bitcoin community to adopt FIX protocol, if they haven’t already. " |
12:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
mpex better get with teh programz! |
12:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/ |
12:11 |
ozbot |
Zeroblock Releases FIX API Spec for Bitcoin Trading | Blockchain Blog |
12:12 |
benkay |
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posted a picture a few months back of the amusing repair job done on the wire into his house/ |
12:13 |
asciilifeform |
i think it was a plant of his, rather than house |
12:13 |
dexX7 |
;;later tell fluffypony re: "Blockchain.info still have to approve tags based on the reference material" -> http://canibuildasitehandlingotherpeoplesmoney.com/b.html |
12:13 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
12:14 |
benkay |
house, plant. employees, slaves... |
12:14 |
fluffypony |
dexX7: LOL |
12:15 |
fluffypony |
admittedly their approval process isn't much of a process |
12:15 |
fluffypony |
"ctrl+f...ok cool approve" |
12:17 |
benkay |
<ThickAsThieves> unless there is some magical stroke in android? << my android has some magical strokes, ThickAsThieves, but i'm not sharing :D |
12:17 |
dexX7 |
hehe yup, something like that |
12:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25030 @ 0.0009517 = 23.8211 BTC [-] {2} |
12:17 |
dexX7 |
it's pretty much worthless related to verification, e.g. https://blockchain.info/address/1111111111111111111114oLvT2 |
12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform> s/banned/mandatory << interestingly enough, these two are practically the same thing. |
12:19 |
asciilifeform |
'all which is not forbidden is compulsory' |
12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex where are you hosting, tesari's magical oradea dc ? |
12:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 223 @ 0.00084219 = 0.1878 BTC {2} |
12:24 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: gts telecom |
12:24 |
Naphex |
bucharest |
12:25 |
Naphex |
deficated locked down racks |
12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
<fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << funny, that's how romania does optic fibre. |
12:25 |
Naphex |
highly recommend it |
12:25 |
benkay |
defecated racks?! |
12:25 |
benkay |
now with poop security. |
12:26 |
asciilifeform |
dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << exactly what i have here |
12:26 |
Naphex |
benkay: hehe sorry ben, using phone |
12:26 |
Naphex |
in bed and laizy :) |
12:26 |
benkay |
no apologies necessary. |
12:26 |
asciilifeform |
underground comms - expensive |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: FIX is quite an interesting, old (early 90's) protocol that is basically pipe-char separated key-values (key is always numeric and based on a predefined list), and you literally dump the ASCII over a TCP session |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: slides - http://www.slideshare.net/aiQUANT/fix-protocol-overview-1697394 |
12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
<davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? < aye |
12:27 |
Naphex |
fix sucks |
12:27 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: when we were still in Cape Town it had all been replaced with underground in our area, so it was dangly piece of wire straight into plastic trunking at the curb |
12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! <<< women aren't human! |
12:27 |
Naphex |
but i wrote a interface for it just in case :p |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
<bounce> and then you have a submarine. then what? << then they could hold their breath ? :D |
12:28 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: it's significantly faster for HFT than a RESTful API :) |
12:28 |
Naphex |
for sure |
12:28 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: martian? |
12:29 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: I'm impressed you're ready to support it, you should go tell Blockchain that you're the first in the world to do so :-P |
12:29 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/ |
12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform venusian! |
12:29 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
12:30 |
Naphex |
will deff integrate with rtbtc |
12:30 |
Naphex |
zeroblock |
12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
<fluffypony> i think you misunderstand the entire maidsafe thing. they just saw the bitbet treatment of late bets and are trying to implement something a) bigger and b) community-positive. |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
missing the point that it's small and community-negative FOR FUCKING REASONS |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
because that's what the would-be smart idiots not in here do : they misinterpret and misread my designs. |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
rather luciferic. |
12:32 |
fluffypony |
I don't understand...maidsafe's trying to do a bitbet? |
12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
the entire " They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, ~or used for development of maidsafe~..." thing |
12:33 |
fluffypony |
oh Danny boy's quote, tks, have context nao |
12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves> <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers << lol i actually said EXACTLY that. |
12:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00095176 = 4.4181 BTC [+] |
12:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
so maidsafe wants to moderate what color money itll accept now? |
12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. << this can't possibly go any other way than lulz |
12:34 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: yerz...hence this post: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/ |
12:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
cuz taking on celebrity bitcoin advisers has worked so well so far |
12:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
your blog is pretty |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> mpex better get with teh programz! << who's zeroblock is more the q. |
12:35 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: former rtbtc |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!up dooglus |
12:35 |
assbot |
Voicing dooglus for 30 minutes. |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
dooglus you know how to up yourself ? |
12:36 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: tks, it's jekyll, which generates static html from markdown basically, and uses this jekyll theme: https://github.com/caarlos0/up |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
<Naphex> deficated locked down racks << only way to go, wd. |
12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
<Naphex> fix sucks << fix sucks in the sense the old volga car sucks. |
12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
it WAS a great beast. no longer very useful other than an old codger who once ruled his slice of the world, |
12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
to learn from. |
12:37 |
Naphex |
thq thq |
12:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9285 @ 0.00095453 = 8.8628 BTC [+] {2} |
12:38 |
Naphex |
severs rock too, should carry lots |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
!up efalken |
12:38 |
assbot |
Voicing efalken for 30 minutes. |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
Hello! |
12:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
if anyone is feeling like a cringe: http://bitshares.org/ |
12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone : efalken is the guy who wrote the piece about mimics we read earlier |
12:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
efalken has seen the forums yet? :) |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. i'm trying to argue this angle where bitcoin is for intelligent life forms. |
12:40 |
fluffypony |
REIMAGINE EVERYTHING |
12:41 |
* |
fluffypony reimagines sex and buy BitShares |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;us thq |
12:41 |
gribble |
Error: "us" is not a valid command. |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud thq |
12:41 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=THQ | Jun 24, 2007 ... THQ. abreviation for "team hit and quit" one guy dates a girl, fucks her, dumps her , and then his friend does the same. Me and my best friend ... |
12:41 |
ozbot |
Urban Dictionary: THQ |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex srsly ? |
12:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.0009564 = 15.3407 BTC [+] {3} |
12:42 |
Naphex |
Naphex: seriously what?:o |
12:42 |
Naphex |
damn phone, sec let me move |
12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
phones are so useful :D |
12:43 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu: you starve me of my due credit oh bitlord |
12:43 |
benkay |
welcome efalken |
12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay what'd i do ? |
12:44 |
benkay |
i suppose anyone can stitch the falken links together |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile from the sad news department, what'll be the jd s.mpif investment stands at 49.99508744 |
12:44 |
benkay |
BUT I CRAVE APPROVAL |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
we're already in the red ;/ |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay wait wait be explicit |
12:45 |
jurov |
should have invested in coinroll |
12:45 |
asciilifeform |
since i've been living under a rock, i gotta ask - is jd just sd with new fuel rods? |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's sd done by a better guy, with a better model. |
12:45 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu: i believe i brought the mimicry post to everyone's attention. |
12:45 |
benkay |
but anyways. |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay so you did! |
12:46 |
benkay |
whatever irrelevant. the joke was actually about whiny young americans. |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
if anyone proposes we devoice you i'll make sure to mention it, how about that ? :D |
12:46 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: take the 0.00491256 difference out of my Trilema credits |
12:46 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i'll be all like, "naw man, who;s gonna bring us the good mimes anymoar" |
12:47 |
benkay |
har if i'm up for devoicing the sybils've won and i better skeedaddle anyways. |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
interesting how that works. |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
efalken to speak you type in the lower bar and hit enter |
12:48 |
jurov |
!up mjr_ |
12:48 |
assbot |
Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes. |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
!up tris |
12:48 |
assbot |
Voicing tris for 30 minutes. |
12:48 |
fluffypony |
tris: every time I see your host I think you're from Etherium and have come to convince me to "invest" |
12:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
that would be lovely |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
isn't it ethereum ? |
12:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
vitalik should come for a visit |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so tell him. |
12:49 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: ah yes, I can never remember |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the nefarious influence of mp : ThickAsThieves wants to ask me q's in private, ends up making a new blog to publish the results on. |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
basically... i'm the denudificator. |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
verführer ? |
12:53 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
isn't that a demon ? |
12:53 |
asciilifeform |
'seducer' (leader-astray) |
12:53 |
asciilifeform |
you taught us the word today |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
zersetzungszelle verführer! |
12:54 |
benkay |
;;seen randomcat |
12:54 |
gribble |
I have not seen randomcat. |
12:54 |
benkay |
;;seen random_cat |
12:54 |
gribble |
random_cat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <random_cat> next year? |
12:54 |
benkay |
!up random_cat_ |
12:54 |
assbot |
Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes. |
12:54 |
benkay |
hey random_cat_ |
12:54 |
benkay |
lol 3 pings. ideally that'll get someone's attention. |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!jd |
12:55 |
assbot |
Just-Dice stat: 16297 BTC profit, 35.9k BTC invested, 1092.27 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
where's tat's blog ? |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
cooking. |
12:56 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: q, if user wants to change gpg key. req gpgauth. if lost only real-life iding process will recover |
12:56 |
Naphex |
sounds right? |
12:56 |
Naphex |
IDing |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
it's how nanotube runs the wot. |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
probably should include proeminent warnings to ppls. |
12:56 |
asciilifeform |
wait he forgives lost keys ?!?!? |
12:56 |
jurov |
http://mpex.coinbr.com/faq.html#24 < naphex |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform if you beg him. |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
and he knows you. |
12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe. |
12:57 |
jurov |
oh he meant wot |
12:57 |
Naphex |
thx jurov |
12:57 |
asciilifeform |
lost key, lost soul |
12:58 |
Naphex |
there are clients who go and wait by the atmi |
12:59 |
Naphex |
after selling their btc |
12:59 |
Naphex |
without hitting withdraw. then they call mad |
12:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06778 = 0.2711 BTC [-] |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i wouldn't touch the romanian derpage, myself. |
13:00 |
Naphex |
or others who just fill the deposit form |
13:00 |
Naphex |
and wait for us to withdraw money from their account |
13:00 |
Naphex |
:) |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
should just ship these fellows over to obama |
13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i miss old style prisoner exchange things. "give me these guys that belong to us, you can have these twerps that'll prolly fit there better" |
13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
then one rainy night in berlin... |
13:02 |
asciilifeform |
Glienicke Brücke |
13:02 |
Naphex |
:)) |
13:02 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated: |
13:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/e8MOim6 |
13:02 |
ozbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ^ what are these |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
zaporozhets? |
13:03 |
Naphex |
that a lada? :p |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
mnah. |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a dacia 1310 |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
engine (2 cycle) is in the... back. |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/ZAZ-968_front.jpg |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
wait wrong |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
dacia 1100 |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
(zaporozhets. my folks had one. very similar looking) |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
(bulgarrenault 8) |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/embed/XPR84AGLw_M << 1950s advert. |
13:05 |
ozbot |
RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube |
13:05 |
Naphex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPR84AGLw_M la start! |
13:05 |
ozbot |
RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube |
13:05 |
Naphex |
omg |
13:05 |
Naphex |
:(( |
13:06 |
Naphex |
MD still talks like that:] |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
5/hour. bath paint. |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
46cp, |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex md ? |
13:07 |
Naphex |
moldova |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
a |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
speaking of such ads, |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxMluSU6Frw |
13:08 |
ozbot |
Tatra 603 ad - YouTube |
13:08 |
dooglus |
hi guys |
13:08 |
jurov |
welcome dooglus |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
hey dooglus |
13:08 |
jurov |
;;ident dooglus |
13:08 |
gribble |
Nick 'dooglus', with hostmask 'dooglus!~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus', is identified as user 'dooglus', with GPG key id 4BE6A010492A358E, key fingerprint 258EAE7C26B1F2EBCFA180C04BE6A010492A358E, and bitcoin address 1Doog7asLrYah3yeUppBVj8nUYnFkmXm2N |
13:09 |
dooglus |
I noticed you had voiced me for 30 minutes about 31 minutes after it happened |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, you id with gribble, you pm assbot !up and you're good. |
13:09 |
dooglus |
assbot ignores 'help' - but google told me about !up |
13:09 |
dooglus |
well, I did all that - or I wouldn't be talking now |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
dooglus hehe yeah |
13:10 |
benkay |
would it be a terrible idea to allow people to request voice in chan via pm once every so many minutes? |
13:10 |
benkay |
via pm to assbot |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform btw what's the tatra truck thing ? god i loved those |
13:11 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.tatratrucks.com ? |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay like, once every half hour someone (anyone) can pm assbot "!plz" and assbot will dump in chan "Anyone wanna !up X?" |
13:12 |
asciilifeform |
still in business, it seems |
13:12 |
dooglus |
would it be useful if I made the S.MPIF Just-Dice account balance visible to the public? |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
dooglus it can't hurt anything. you know which it is ? |
13:12 |
dooglus |
I've no idea |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
sec |
13:13 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu: that's exactly it. |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
700458 |
13:13 |
dooglus |
thanks |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit you've had a ton of new accts huh |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
this can't be legitimate, you got spammed ? |
13:13 |
mike_c |
now we can watch and see if that account is betting with pif money too :) |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lol i don't see how it could, but yeah |
13:14 |
mike_c |
jd creates a new account whenever someone not-cookied visits JD |
13:14 |
* |
mircea_popescu ponders whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money :D |
13:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6468 @ 0.00094923 = 6.1396 BTC [-] |
13:15 |
Duffer1 |
mp ask nokawa he might be interested :P |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform was a particular type of them. ro military used them extensively. |
13:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00094923 = 4.6408 BTC [-] |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Tatra 813 turns out. |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: worked on them? |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
me ? no, i was like 5. |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
but they were awesome. |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
and bs, you could never find models. only models of these other shitty trucks |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
it scarred my childhood i tell you. |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
8x8 drive, that thing. |
13:17 |
asciilifeform |
could run on kerosene! neat |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it ran on toluene, |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
or whatever else. |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!up justusranvier |
13:19 |
assbot |
Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes. |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot justusranvier |
13:19 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user justusranvier: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=justusranvier | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=justusranvier | Rated since: Mon Feb 11 19:56:55 2013 |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
13:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52141571 = 1.5642 BTC [-] {3} |
13:24 |
benkay |
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304279904579517934206301354?mod=trending_now_3 |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ozbot pls to tell me wtf link is cause otherwise i just ignore them ty. |
13:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.0001306 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {5} |
13:26 |
asciilifeform |
benkay: no prizes for guessing what mega-subsidy like this does to the price. |
13:26 |
asciilifeform |
imagine if, rather than this, student loan were secured by... disassembly for organs |
13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the us has a serious problem with the absnece of an evil empire. |
13:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
blog is in progress, need to wait for domain to propagate and some other bs |
13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
they couldn't be secured by organ harvesting, but they could be secured by sale to evil empire of fuckland |
13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
where one lives on a boat in a 2x3 space, separated by a hanging sheet from all the other prostitutes |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
what does fuckland do with the male idiots? |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
butugychag? |
13:28 |
benkay |
cage matches. |
13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
either that or... idem. apparently people pay to fuck males, too. |
13:28 |
benkay |
o ya |
13:28 |
benkay |
wait really? |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
niche product. |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
(literally...) |
13:29 |
benkay |
i thought the homo scene was all about dat promiscuity. |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a fun bit of the history of racism in europe : |
13:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [+] |
13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
gypsies always have lived as nomads. most of the ancient roman empire is inhabited by sedentary farmer types. the differences are quite marked, and children are wired to react negatively to difference. |
13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
consequently, for centuries, the ultimate parental threat was, "i'ma give you to the gypsy man, who comes by with a sack to collect bad kids" |
13:30 |
Naphex |
thats taboo now though! |
13:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095533 = 12.4671 BTC [+] {3} |
13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
in typical eeuropean quaintness, your average gypsy worker guy with a sack would generously play the part, for the benefit of any mom needing it |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
sort-of like spontaneous adult complicity. |
13:31 |
asciilifeform |
the mega-lol being, that these folks would literally rather steal anything else |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
yup |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
esp the mother. |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!up zedong |
13:31 |
assbot |
Voicing zedong for 30 minutes. |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
even selling the female lusers, that'd be a serious haircut |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
(my braindead use of "racism" ethnically reflects merely the confused use of the term by the people most likely to use it, i disclaim any other implication) |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
considering what they'd be worth on international market |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
not exactly 'FDA Grade A' |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
there's an international market for badly brought up western females ? |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
gotta be |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
even pig shit can be sold |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe if someone's looking for exclamation point counting services. |
13:34 |
dooglus |
"whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money" -- probably a little for vanity's sake, and more if it has a negative investment profit |
13:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52145683 BTC [+] |
13:35 |
dooglus |
(accounts with negative profit pay no commission until the loss is recouped) |
13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
dooglus i believe the vanity value is actually an indirect measure of jd worth |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
you can use 'vi' instead of 'emacs' if you were to buy a parenthesis-counting slavegurl ? |
13:36 |
Naphex |
dooglus: ever tought about putting out an API? I've heard of guys who'd want to put JustDice in a Romanian Gabling Machine :) |
13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
he has an api im pretty sure |
13:37 |
Naphex |
the ones the put in 'birts', what are they called mircea_popescu ? |
13:37 |
Naphex |
pacanelele |
13:37 |
Naphex |
:) |
13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex whoa srsly ? how'd it work tho ? |
13:37 |
asciilifeform |
this is good point, dice gizmos ought to be physically present, blinkenlighs, bells, in boozing houses. |
13:38 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: probably with btc from the bar, and house buys btc back. |
13:38 |
Naphex |
atleast thats how i heard it proposed |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
getting the bar to grok btc processing tho... |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex you should build an api to support his api to make it easy for bars. |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
offer guaranteed values for a week, say. |
13:40 |
Naphex |
btcxchange-rpc api should support mostly anything. but i'm swamped |
13:40 |
Naphex |
working on the btc payments gateway |
13:40 |
asciilifeform |
adding booze to diceatrons - this'd be like lithium deuteride booster for nuke. |
13:40 |
asciilifeform |
just what doctor ordered. |
13:40 |
Naphex |
so they can start advertising to online stores |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
dooglus you been putting any work into getting a physical machine ? |
13:41 |
Naphex |
physical machine wouldn't be hard at all |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. |
13:42 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: http://www.alienconcept.ro/ |
13:43 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. << this again and again |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
definitely something to do there tho. |
13:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2369 @ 0.00095245 = 2.2564 BTC [-] |
13:50 |
BingoBoingo |
;;rate hanbot 3 Only Functional part of Bitcointalk |
13:50 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user hanbot has been recorded. |
13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
"and if thy functional part offends thee, cut it out!" |
13:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00471 = 0.1978 BTC [+] |
13:54 |
kakobrekla |
hello. |
13:54 |
kakobrekla |
so many messages. |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
high amount of phone messages ? |
13:55 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help < "!help" works ?? |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!help |
13:55 |
assbot |
List of commands: |
13:55 |
assbot |
!up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) |
13:55 |
assbot |
!up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes) |
13:55 |
assbot |
!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} |
13:55 |
assbot |
!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} |
13:55 |
assbot |
!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) |
13:55 |
assbot |
!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} |
13:55 |
assbot |
!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} |
13:55 |
assbot |
!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) |
13:55 |
assbot |
!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} |
13:55 |
assbot |
!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} |
13:55 |
kakobrekla |
<asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < hmm ?? |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
shit. |
13:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
!exchanges |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
(desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) | (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given you're identified with gribble and in assbot's L2 WoT) |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
? |
13:56 |
kakobrekla |
<mike_c> kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) < hm maybe but that is basic algebra, i try not to pass things that one can easily calc |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
not to pass things that one can easily calc << that's the correct design imo. |
13:56 |
kakobrekla |
<hanbot> ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag. < jurov must be jelly |
13:57 |
kakobrekla |
<asciilifeform> ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? < afaik one of them still do, i can check. |
13:57 |
mike_c |
fair enough. |
13:59 |
benkay |
http://butt.holdings/ |
14:02 |
mircea_popescu |
butt.butt |
14:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00095778 = 16.5217 BTC [+] {3} |
14:02 |
kakobrekla |
<asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < ah, the "ü" thing. dunno, ill see what can i do about that. |
14:03 |
BingoBoingo |
http://gawker.com/notorious-troll-says-he-will-create-trolly-hedge-fund-c-1566707098 |
14:03 |
ozbot |
Notorious Troll Says He Will Create Trolly Hedge Fund Called "TRO LLC" |
14:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Rabit replies in the comments |
14:04 |
BingoBoingo |
*rabite |
14:07 |
kakobrekla |
>> Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer, the infamous hacker and troll, |
14:07 |
kakobrekla |
who ?? |
14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the at&t guy |
14:09 |
kakobrekla |
ah |
14:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC |
14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
http://37.media.tumblr.com/7f78eaba6f8c738f84f36ee55c260237/tumblr_mwxmio0Agj1spl2qwo1_r2_500.jpg |
14:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4538 @ 0.00013015 = 0.5906 BTC [-] {7} |
14:13 |
jborkl_ |
nice, very nice |
14:14 |
jborkl_ |
Almost done integrating a blockexplorer to my site- just waiting on the blockchain to dl |
14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
what's it called ? |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://37.media.tumblr.com/8f90e02d75f0f25a5100e83b60ec2e63/tumblr_n2r3zaCgd01qewacoo1_500.jpg |
14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/dd2adf09ed083e47c37107345099885c/tumblr_mqm7n600fP1qb6t6wo1_400.gif |
14:17 |
moiety |
lololololol "dafuq?!" |
14:17 |
jborkl_ |
it is going to be on bcoinnews.com for now I guess- I could always put it on btcrack.com |
14:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if we get someone trustworthy doing mining at some point << the way i understand it, mining is -EV unless you own a semiconductor plant. |
14:19 |
asciilifeform |
or at least have a share in one |
14:20 |
jborkl_ |
99,999 blocks to go- |
14:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.043999 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2} |
14:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-launches-bitcoin-debit-card-accepted-at-all-mastercard-locations/ |
| |
↖ |
14:24 |
Naphex |
ThickAsThieves: i think they just have a multi-account system, issue a mastercard, give USD, take BTC |
14:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-] |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/1f95eb0bc80f1dad9b6eeb0b02c2f516/tumblr_mzywjikI5j1qzfebyo1_500.jpg |
14:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6241 BTC [-] |
14:28 |
Naphex |
"Casares explained that Xapo added the product due to demand from current customers who have wanted a way to spend the roughly 10% of their funds (on average) they keep in the company’s hot wallets. The remainder is stored securely in cold storage." |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/05faecbf33aaf001d27edb312fafe63e/tumblr_n413uzJHKh1s2yegdo1_r1_400.gif |
14:28 |
moiety |
would probably get further with that lil dude than most customer services people mircea_popescu |
14:28 |
Naphex |
so.. customer stores btc, credit 10% of btc value to corporate issued mastercard, use spends it. hold the btc |
14:28 |
Naphex |
i think thats mostly it:o |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen wences |
14:29 |
gribble |
wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here? |
14:30 |
Naphex |
the roughly, and average chitchat, is if bitcoin values moves, you might have less then that 10% of the value on the card. until it readjusts |
14:31 |
Naphex |
nice move, doable. mastercard might have a field day though :D |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ok this shit's too cute : http://31.media.tumblr.com/fc31e4ae9fa57a23c45ab56261b69f7f/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo2_500.jpg http://37.media.tumblr.com/58a4e0f2ecced5023e43e1056d6b6ee3/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo3_500.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/e2d8ad05821d4990523d453dd473b812/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo1_500.jpg |
14:32 |
moiety |
i just made an entirely unnatural noise, not gonna lie |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
you QUEEFED because of my tiny turtle pix ? |
14:32 |
moiety |
right into a jar (thinking ahead) |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
"i have the special QueefCaptu underwears! only 19'95 at selected retailers" |
14:34 |
moiety |
bahahaha "surprisingly comfortable too" |
14:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095626 = 3.06 BTC [+] |
14:36 |
moiety |
or 0.0561 BTC* |
14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://37.media.tumblr.com/42bd2627a419a203c58d37f3299a4a5e/tumblr_mzz5fo4agd1s199fdo1_400.gif |
14:37 |
moiety |
i wonder how long 1QUEEFS would take to generate.... |
14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
5 letters. not so bad. |
14:38 |
moiety |
aw i doubt i have any caps in the house to recreate that last one, damnit |
14:38 |
BingoBoingo |
If all caps is a must it will take longe rthough |
14:38 |
moiety |
1Queefs? |
14:39 |
moiety |
i think allcaps looks better |
14:41 |
fluffypony |
it was on the 24th day of April |
14:41 |
fluffypony |
in the year of 2014 |
14:41 |
fluffypony |
that mircea_popescu declared #bitcoin-assets become /r/awww |
14:41 |
fluffypony |
and thus it was |
14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
RAW! |
14:41 |
moiety |
queefs are aww? |
14:42 |
moiety |
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152347282685874 |
14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
did you know seals can get hickups ? |
14:42 |
moiety |
actually a video |
14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
http://37.media.tumblr.com/a3bbb07a4142b2e45314ee3446a28ab5/tumblr_n3tf9cll861qbwg0zo1_500.gif << proof. |
14:42 |
moiety |
jesus, pretty violent hiccups too! |
14:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://rt.com/politics/154056-russian-bloggers-mass-media/ |
14:43 |
Naphex |
BingoBoingo: hey, if you have any suggestions, annoiances or any feedback regarding usage of btcxchange, shoot any time. :D |
14:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00095535 = 2.7705 BTC [-] |
14:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Naphex: I can't think of any atm |
14:46 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/UtwRmkm.png |
14:46 |
fluffypony |
turtle approval is at an all time high |
14:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6193 BTC [-] |
14:49 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/ |
14:49 |
fluffypony |
"This story was updated at 9:52am PT to reflect the fact that Xapo does not have a formal relationship with MasterCard, but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank. This is contrary to earlier claims made by Xapo to Gigaom both in person and in writing that Xapo would issue a MasterCard-branded debit card. A MasterCard representative confirmed that it has no relationship with Xapo." |
14:50 |
fluffypony |
I don't have a submarine, but I hope to have one through a military contractor...I can haz press coverage nao? |
14:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06968754 = 1.0453 BTC [+] {2} |
14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
they ate the swrawberry for a week afterwards |
14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
" but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank" |
14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
so bitcoin. |
14:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
sigh |
14:52 |
bounce |
huh, there's actually a(t least one) shipyard in cuba |
14:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
that makes them like the 11th co to claim a btc credit card |
14:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
all bs |
14:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
so this DarkMarket thing |
14:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
can the gov make it illegal to run the app? |
14:54 |
bounce |
didn't germany already outlaw the likes of nmap? |
14:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
it seems each user is a host of the network |
14:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
A user downloads the DarkMarket software, which runs as a daemon in the background of the user’s operating system, allowing them to connect to the DarkMarket network through any browser. The DarkMarket daemon incorporates a library of commands for peer-to-peer networking known as ZeroMQ, which allows the user’s PC to become a node in a distributed network where every user can |
14:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
communicate directly with every other user. |
14:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/darkmarket/ |
14:55 |
ozbot |
Inside the ‘DarkMarket’ Prototype, a Silk Road the FBI Can Never Seize | Threat Level | WIRED |
14:55 |
bounce |
zeromq is a p2p thing now? |
14:56 |
fluffypony |
I actually have a BTC debit card from the now defunct thebitcoincard.co.uk |
14:56 |
fluffypony |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213832.msg2705402#msg2705402 |
14:56 |
ozbot |
First prepaid card to exchange Bitcoins |
14:57 |
fluffypony |
ended up just being a tc debit card |
14:57 |
fluffypony |
and you have to wade through a French website to activate it |
14:57 |
fluffypony |
and then you used to be able to buy overpriced BTC from thebitcoincard.co.uk and they'd load it on your card in fiat |
14:57 |
fluffypony |
so stupid |
14:58 |
HeySteve |
I see a reputation system as pretty critical to the success of something like dark markets |
14:58 |
HeySteve |
bitwasp too, where one can have ephemeral markets that come and go like a stream of soap bubble worlds |
14:59 |
HeySteve |
verifiable and community-rated identities across these markets is key to improving trade |
15:00 |
HeySteve |
it's all very well to dodge the federales, but not if it will likely land you in the clutches of scammers |
15:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
are you daying DarkMarket doesnt have such system? |
15:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
saying* |
15:02 |
pankkake |
fluffypony: oh god, it's our friend dotcoin/bitcoinbourse … https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189119.0 |
15:03 |
HeySteve |
ThickAsThieves: "At the moment, DarkMarket displays only a bare IP address for every user..." |
15:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
15:03 |
HeySteve |
there is linkage between nicks and public keys, but no mention of rating |
15:03 |
* |
fluffypony clicks |
15:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
i recall taaki's presentation including such |
15:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
or at least methods of conflict resolution |
15:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
if it is dark, wtf does show ip? |
15:04 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: LOL - I had no idea, no wonder their product was so shitty |
15:04 |
HeySteve |
ThickAsThieves, they haven't programmed that bit yet but they seem to expect someone will soon... |
15:05 |
HeySteve |
ThickAsThieves, you watched their presentation in Canada? |
15:06 |
HeySteve |
ah wait my mistake, they do say they have a rep system |
15:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095626 = 6.2157 BTC [+] |
15:11 |
Naphex |
incoming split? |
15:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10345 @ 0.00095663 = 9.8963 BTC [+] {2} |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
onion or w/e it was called |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!up France-bitcoin |
15:19 |
assbot |
Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes. |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
France-bitcoin srsly ? what a name. |
15:20 |
bounce |
why such hate? france AND bitcoin. what's not to love? |
15:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06968754 = 0.1394 BTC [+] |
15:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00095843 = 1.8977 BTC [+] {2} |
15:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2370 @ 0.00095875 = 2.2722 BTC [+] |
15:22 |
punkman |
The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? << no it looks like a piece of shit implemented on top of 0mq, which didn't even do security for the first few major versions |
15:22 |
France-bitcoin |
mircea_popescu, a blog name... |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman for the love of meh. why not just rebundle tor. |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
win-win wtf. |
15:23 |
fluffypony |
bounce: too many Frenchman in France, maybe that's his problem :-P |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
davout pankkake etc will be pleased to hear :D |
15:24 |
France-bitcoin |
yeah we know each other :) |
15:25 |
France-bitcoin |
i'm here because gribble does not integrate #bitcoin-fr mostly |
15:25 |
France-bitcoin |
we are working on that |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
o that's a thing ? |
15:25 |
bounce |
sheesh, even nickserv registered. such original nickname. |
15:25 |
pankkake |
France might end up with more tourists than French |
15:26 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: they plan to add Tor but still, I don't think it's prudent to 0mq with random nodes |
15:26 |
France-bitcoin |
ah pankkake :) |
15:26 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: surely the French would never allow it! |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman prolly not. |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
-BitBot- NB : le chan est loggé et les archives sont publiées à l'adresse suivante : http://bitcoin.powaaa.com/irc/ |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
liek a supybot or what is it ? |
15:27 |
fluffypony |
"On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, despite the push for greater accountability through No Child Left Behind. What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence. American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from |
15:27 |
fluffypony |
any other country." |
15:27 |
fluffypony |
http://www.education.com/magazine/article/waiting-superman-means-parents/ |
15:27 |
ozbot |
"Waiting for Superman": What it Means for You and Your Child | Education.com |
15:28 |
BingoBoingo |
http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/17/bad_romance_france_s_17_billion_warship_deal_with_russia_gets_new_scrutiny |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
lol they actually managed to get charles de gaulle seaworthy ? |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
!up VictorM |
15:29 |
assbot |
Voicing VictorM for 30 minutes. |
15:29 |
davout |
!up VictorM |
15:29 |
assbot |
Voice for VictorM extended to 30 minutes. |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ha-ha! |
15:29 |
davout |
yea, i've been talking for a couple of minutes before realizing i didn't voice myself >< |
15:29 |
davout |
so i was saying |
15:30 |
davout |
France-bitcoin: gribble is on #bitcoin-fr what are you talking about |
15:30 |
davout |
also that my apartment got broken into this afternoon, probably some french people... |
15:30 |
France-bitcoin |
gribble is giving a list of chan to be on to proceed |
15:30 |
bounce |
damage? |
15:30 |
France-bitcoin |
you could have asked on pv :) |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
davout he means it's not on the auth list. |
15:31 |
davout |
France-bitcoin mircea_popescu ahh i see |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
cause nanotube wanted to keep some sort of tabs on what chans you can auth from, which is sensible. |
15:31 |
France-bitcoin |
should add ours |
15:31 |
davout |
bounce: negligible, most of the hassle is the broken window and the time lost with the police |
15:31 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: how is it sensible? |
15:31 |
France-bitcoin |
that would avoid this kind of "stuff" |
15:32 |
davout |
France-bitcoin: if you're doing business you should probably hang around the "authable" chans anyway |
15:32 |
nanotube |
davout: i just added #bitcoin-fr to auth list, by bad_duck's request. so... there. |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
davout for one, there's peeps trying to scamhunt, they gotta idle in all chans that allow authing |
15:33 |
France-bitcoin |
well the welcoming party here is nice :) I should think about that yeah :) |
15:33 |
davout |
nanotube: thanks! |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
cause while scammers usually id in pm, they still gotta be in chan |
15:33 |
nanotube |
davout: np. keep an eye out for scammers. |
15:33 |
davout |
nanotube: will do |
15:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 56 @ 0.03299639 = 1.8478 BTC [+] {8} |
15:34 |
davout |
;;rated nanotube |
15:34 |
gribble |
You have not yet rated user nanotube |
15:34 |
France-bitcoin |
we don't have any on our channel as far as i know... |
15:34 |
nanotube |
France-bitcoin: that's cool. we should all move there, then. :) |
15:34 |
davout |
;;rate nanotube 1 kind sir |
15:34 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nanotube has been recorded. |
15:35 |
nanotube |
;;rate davout 1 old timer |
15:35 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded. |
15:41 |
France-bitcoin |
stop rubbing each other guys :) |
15:42 |
France-bitcoin |
now i just got to debug some strange stuff with gribble privately and I will leave you alone |
15:42 |
fluffypony |
oooh la la |
15:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+] |
15:43 |
davout |
France-bitcoin: publicly might be better if you're debugging gribble and if it's not too noisy :D |
15:43 |
HeySteve |
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/sara-medina |
15:43 |
HeySteve |
good night all |
15:43 |
bounce |
isn't that what #gribble is for? |
15:43 |
fluffypony |
lol customers...ticket just got escalated to me: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world" - maybe I should reply and ask them what they're doing buying GPU mining frames |
15:44 |
France-bitcoin |
well i did need to connect here (or another chan on the list...) then do it privately which is what i'm talking about |
15:44 |
davout |
bounce: you got a point |
15:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53137777 = 1.0628 BTC [+] {2} |
15:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+] |
15:46 |
davout |
the xapo story is interesting, wonder where it will go |
15:46 |
davout |
given that mastercard is pretty anti-bitcoin |
15:46 |
fluffypony |
davout: I met with one of the banks here last year August-ish about it |
15:46 |
fluffypony |
they have VISA and MasterCard prepaids |
15:47 |
fluffypony |
and they said that in general MC and VISA don't care what they issue |
15:47 |
fluffypony |
and that their auth systems on the back-end don't even have to be actual currency |
15:47 |
davout |
fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba |
15:47 |
fluffypony |
oic |
15:47 |
fluffypony |
couldn't you have gone with a VISA partner? |
15:48 |
bounce |
except they might at the drop of a hat decide that they don't like where some of their users send their money and stop doing it |
15:48 |
davout |
so, as soon as they actually hear about it they'll fuck the deal up |
15:49 |
davout |
fluffypony: the psp we were working with was working with mastercard, custom cards are mostly mastercard's thing, not really visa's |
15:49 |
davout |
but in theory there's nothing that prevents visa from doing it |
15:49 |
davout |
i'm off, stomachs don't just fill themselves |
15:50 |
fluffypony |
have fun - buon appetit |
15:50 |
davout |
!up France-bitcoin |
15:50 |
assbot |
Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes. |
15:50 |
davout |
fluffypony: merci! |
15:51 |
France-bitcoin |
thx davout, still taking care of the kids and the gribble thing is not finished yet... |
15:51 |
kakobrekla |
davout what is the story with xapo? |
15:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095875 = 3.5953 BTC [+] |
15:52 |
davout |
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#640741 |
15:52 |
kakobrekla |
the log pft. ill remove it just so i dont have to read it. |
15:52 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: the GigaOm article is better because it contains an embarrassing update |
15:52 |
fluffypony |
http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/ |
15:52 |
ozbot |
Updated: A debit card for bitcoin: Xapo could solve the payment problem with help from banks — |
15:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 98 @ 0.0335 = 3.283 BTC [+] |
15:54 |
kakobrekla |
they use bitstamp, fucking great. |
15:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 58 @ 0.0742218 = 4.3049 BTC [-] |
16:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.51308395 BTC to 13`595 shares, 25841 satoshi per share |
16:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.0335 = 1.943 BTC [+] |
16:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.0742218 = 1.9298 BTC [-] |
16:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.0335 = 0.6365 BTC [+] |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
re: darkmarket: anything vaguely approaching this is (at least by thinking people) regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent' of honeypot |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
and ought to be designed accordingly |
16:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
alrighty here's the tat blog http://devilsadvocate.biz/flirting-with-s-mpif/ |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in. |
16:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'll surely be tweaking the style and widgets etc |
16:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00095875 = 0.9588 BTC [+] |
16:06 |
asciilifeform |
ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun. |
16:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's not a matter of lack of interest |
16:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5455 @ 0.00095535 = 5.2114 BTC [-] |
16:09 |
kakobrekla |
the devils advocate? |
16:09 |
kakobrekla |
is this a new blog of yours? |
16:10 |
kakobrekla |
i gotta give it to you, you pick some strange names |
16:12 |
kakobrekla |
'thieves', 'devil', ... are dem cute pirates coming too? :) |
16:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.06800759 = 9.8611 BTC [-] {4} |
16:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.0742218 = 0.668 BTC [-] |
16:15 |
BingoBoingo |
I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose. |
16:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5395 @ 0.00095481 = 5.1512 BTC [-] |
16:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.00095875 = 0.1007 BTC [+] |
16:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 122 @ 0.00762908 = 0.9307 BTC [+] {5} |
16:19 |
kakobrekla |
ascii, dunno if you got my |
16:19 |
kakobrekla |
pm, if im not on your whilelist i can paste here |
16:20 |
kakobrekla |
whitelist* |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: got it |
16:23 |
kakobrekla |
kk |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: no pricing info on site, unfortunately |
16:24 |
kakobrekla |
its not customary for such ops to do that here. |
16:24 |
kakobrekla |
you send in what you want and they spit out the number. |
16:25 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: atm i'm looking for folks with reasonably cheap pcb stuffing for obscenely small quantities (<50) |
16:25 |
asciilifeform |
this may or may not exist. |
16:25 |
kakobrekla |
they do small runs |
16:25 |
asciilifeform |
in that industry, 'small' typically means less than 10,000 |
16:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
[16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is |
16:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
taking the other side |
16:26 |
kakobrekla |
they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used |
16:26 |
kakobrekla |
that is used for small diyers |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: for pcb fab only (where such is typical) or smt placement? |
16:26 |
kakobrekla |
pcb fab only |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
i'm pretty happy with my current supplier for those |
16:27 |
asciilifeform |
doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb |
16:27 |
kakobrekla |
i wasnt saying that |
16:28 |
kakobrekla |
just saying its not an issue to get it done |
16:28 |
kakobrekla |
even doing placement on a small run |
16:29 |
kakobrekla |
not 10k |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
for pcb, my current supplier gives me, believe or not, 3 day turnaround, incl. airplane from cn to us |
16:29 |
kakobrekla |
but 100 boards |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
ok that sounds promising |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: you know the owner personally? |
16:30 |
kakobrekla |
not the owner, a guy who works at the second link i gave you |
16:30 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
16:30 |
kakobrekla |
he might be co owner not sure |
16:30 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: I expected you as more of a Devil Wears Prada kinda guy :-P |
16:30 |
kakobrekla |
but whatever- |
16:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
not sure what that means, am i the bitch or the bitch? |
16:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
16:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components |
16:36 |
mike_c |
did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
;;gettrust Friedcat |
16:36 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Friedcat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=Friedcat | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Friedcat | Rated since: never |
16:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
friedcat himself isnt exactly reliable, but he might have resources |
16:37 |
Naphex |
;;ident |
16:37 |
gribble |
Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu |
16:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
i aint mining teh ATCs! |
16:37 |
asciilifeform |
when a fellow isn't reliable, hard to be sure how much because of his own head and how much because he relies on muppets. |
16:38 |
Naphex |
what is atc? |
16:38 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: teh only altcoin |
16:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
www.therealaltcoin.org |
16:38 |
fluffypony |
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/ |
16:38 |
Naphex |
sorry, don't follow alts |
16:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
thats the point! |
16:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 250 @ 0.00762649 = 1.9066 BTC [-] {7} |
16:40 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages |
16:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
i havent either |
16:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
but they just posted a big update this week |
16:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
jutarul posted it |
16:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
if ter interested |
16:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
yer |
16:41 |
fluffypony |
ok will checksie |
16:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009539 = 9.7298 BTC [-] {2} |
16:45 |
fluffypony |
find ./ -type f -name '*.py' | xargs sed -i '' 's/http:\/\//https:\/\//g' |
16:45 |
fluffypony |
wrong button |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
but i could be convinced otherwise, given new data |
16:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah i wouldnt force it |
16:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
more like a, ifyerinapinch kinda thing |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
no pinch |
16:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06961251 = 0.1392 BTC [-] |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
just keeping options open |
16:47 |
bounce |
apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him. |
16:51 |
Naphex |
;;seen tcatm |
16:51 |
gribble |
I have not seen tcatm. |
16:51 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities |
16:52 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them? |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
lemme pastebin it out the proposal |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zimEPURt |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm |
16:54 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run? |
16:54 |
fluffypony |
lemme grab my notes and I'll tell you |
16:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095561 = 3.8224 BTC [+] |
16:56 |
fluffypony |
"For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces." |
16:56 |
fluffypony |
"easy also to prototipe, so i expect to have a "few prototipes" costs between 15/20$ each, and a production price no more than 10/12$ each for low batches ( ~ 100 pieces )" |
16:56 |
fluffypony |
(that was for the board that goes into the BeagleBone for the master unit) |
16:57 |
midnightmagic |
ooOoo |
16:57 |
fluffypony |
"For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches." |
16:57 |
kakobrekla |
you are 2 years late with this shit |
16:57 |
asciilifeform |
nobody's manually soldering a tqfp-64. |
16:58 |
asciilifeform |
(not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.) |
16:58 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: have you seen this - http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html |
16:58 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
16:59 |
asciilifeform |
sure. |
16:59 |
mike_c |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAByNlfkyE |
16:59 |
asciilifeform |
once again, virtually anything can be done under a good microscope, with steady hands |
16:59 |
fluffypony |
anyway, I can get him to hop on here and you can have a chat to him and see |
16:59 |
asciilifeform |
it's simply that it's a bitch |
16:59 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort |
17:01 |
fluffypony |
oh he's on freenode already |
17:01 |
fluffypony |
[22:59:59] nextime signed on at 21 April 2014 at 10:35:57 PM SAST and has been idle for 39 minutes, 43 seconds |
17:01 |
fluffypony |
I've pinged him |
17:02 |
mike_c |
that video is impressive (to me). i couldn't do that. |
17:02 |
fluffypony |
mike_c: I don't have the steady hands |
17:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695839 = 0.2088 BTC [-] |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
mike_c: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/new.png |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
mike_c: hand. messy. but worked |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
this isn't how it's normally done, though, one applies paste and reflows. |
17:04 |
mike_c |
his does look a little neater :) but results are what counts. |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.) |
17:07 |
Naphex |
gn o/ |
17:07 |
fluffypony |
night Naphex |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell heysteve https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459438537163538432 cuz i gotta do all the work around here |
17:08 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
<davout> fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway. |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Sorcier_FXK |
17:09 |
assbot |
Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes. |
17:09 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: how would it make any sense for aqoba to take us as client and somehow make up some lie about mastercard being anti-bitcoin? |
17:10 |
Sorcier_FXK |
thx |
17:10 |
davout |
the guys made money from custom debit cards |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
((testing footnotes plugin!)) << fail |
17:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
i left it in just for you |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
davout you ever were a client of anyone else before ? |
17:12 |
davout |
please, do explain your reasoning |
17:13 |
fluffypony |
http://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/2014/01/xty1s-phteven-funny.jpg |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. << what's it yet ? |
17:13 |
mike_c |
next diff change suggest 2 THs |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
<bounce> apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus. |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you. |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill. |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
all good. |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
what your provider claim, on its own, is not worth two shits. |
17:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06955678 = 0.2087 BTC [-] |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury) |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, if Me llamo Sara y me apasiona la tecnología shows up, voice her and treat her nice. ima go fuck around. |
17:20 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do |
17:21 |
fluffypony |
!up nextime |
17:21 |
assbot |
Voicing nextime for 30 minutes. |
17:21 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform, meet nextime |
17:21 |
fluffypony |
nextime meet asciilifeform |
17:21 |
nextime |
hi all |
17:22 |
* |
nextime is reading about cardano |
17:23 |
thestringpuller |
;;gettrust nextime |
17:23 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nextime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nextime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nextime | Rated since: never |
17:23 |
thestringpuller |
lol |
17:24 |
nextime |
yeah! \o/ i'm virgin :D |
17:26 |
asciilifeform |
!up nextime |
17:26 |
assbot |
Voicing nextime for 30 minutes. |
17:27 |
nextime |
asciilifeform can we talk here in public or you prefer in query? |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: only here. |
17:27 |
nextime |
asciilifeform : ok, as you prefer |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: what would you like to know? |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: do take the trouble to read the published material first. |
17:27 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: this is the guy re: the PCB stuffing |
17:27 |
fluffypony |
sorry should've clarified that |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony, nextime - ok |
17:28 |
nextime |
asciilifeform : fluffypony say me you are searching for pcb builder that is low cost, right? |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers. |
17:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06953299 = 0.2781 BTC [-] {3} |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works |
17:30 |
nextime |
ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab ) |
17:30 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: i should probably specify that pcb is to be sent in (we already have a good working relationship with a pcb maker) |
17:31 |
nextime |
asciilifeform : not an issue at all |
17:32 |
nextime |
asciilifeform : so, maybe you can just drop me an email with specifications and part list, so i can give you a quotation for assembly both in turnkey and kitted? |
17:32 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: let's try this. approx. quote for ~200 smt part count, smallest = 0805, one side. |
17:32 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: 50 units. |
17:33 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: kitted (we mail in parts and pcb) |
17:33 |
asciilifeform |
i'd like a ballpark figure, incl. NRE. |
17:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095456 = 7.541 BTC [-] |
17:34 |
nextime |
asciilifeform : how many unique parts? |
17:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1712 @ 0.00007514 = 0.1286 BTC [-] |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: ~40. |
17:37 |
nextime |
on 50 pieces we are ~ at 20$ each |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
no tooling fee? |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
and what would be the turnaround time? |
17:38 |
nextime |
for 20$ in a week, tooling fee if we will have a continued relationship isn't an issue |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it. |
17:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 794 @ 0.0001296 = 0.1029 BTC [-] |
17:40 |
nextime |
asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches |
17:40 |
nextime |
:) |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: i'd really appreciate a ballpark estimate. |
17:42 |
nextime |
asciilifeform : for tooling? as i say, nothing. We usually choose to absorb this cost hoping to get fidelity, as is a little cost in real. |
17:43 |
asciilifeform |
ok now we're cooking. |
17:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06954 = 0.1391 BTC [+] |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled? |
17:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06981505 = 0.3491 BTC [+] {2} |
17:45 |
nextime |
for through-hole parts we work by hands actually ( we are a small company as i say ) |
17:45 |
asciilifeform |
ok |
17:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8453 @ 0.00095537 = 8.0757 BTC [+] {2} |
17:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00452378 = 0.2488 BTC [-] {3} |
17:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.00838979 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6} |
17:47 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer) |
17:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.009 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2} |
17:51 |
nextime |
asciilifeform : if you give me an email i will send you as soon as tomorrow ( is holyday tomorrow in italy, but i'm a stakanovist and i will be in laboratory ) i will send you a pdf with all specifications of our requirements |
17:52 |
nextime |
( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually ) |
17:53 |
jborkl_ |
ma che vuoi? |
17:54 |
jborkl_ |
only Italian I know |
17:54 |
nextime |
rotfl |
17:55 |
nextime |
jborkl_ : a little bit better than my english :) |
17:56 |
jborkl_ |
I have a Swiss friend here who teaches me a little time to time |
17:56 |
fluffypony |
!up nextime |
17:56 |
assbot |
Voicing nextime for 30 minutes. |
17:57 |
nextime |
jborkl_ : so, let me say that in italy we usually say "che cazzo vuoi?" instead of "ma che vuoi?", a little bit more rude, but more common |
17:58 |
jborkl_ |
ma che stai diciendo |
17:58 |
nextime |
"dicendo" |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ea.png |
17:58 |
jborkl_ |
oops |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: please use pgp (my wot key) |
17:58 |
nextime |
asciilifeform: ok, i will |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
nextime: thx |
17:59 |
jborkl_ |
I will make sure to use that on him :) thx |
18:00 |
nextime |
jborkl_: so, let's get more rude again: use "che cazzo dici?" instead of "ma che stai dicendo?" |
18:00 |
nextime |
:D |
18:00 |
jborkl_ |
excellent |
18:01 |
jborkl_ |
we went and saw motogp and he was yelling when Rossi got cut off in Italin- pretty funny to ear |
18:01 |
jborkl_ |
hear |
18:02 |
nextime |
lol, i can imagine what you mean :) Italian speakers on motogp and motor sports in general are... uhmmm... "funny"? :) |
18:03 |
jborkl_ |
I can't understand anything, but you know when they are pissed off |
18:05 |
nextime |
ok, anyway, i must go back to my daddy role now, asciilifeform i will send you infos tomorrow ( as italy time ) after lunch when i will be in my laboratory |
18:05 |
nextime |
ciao! |
18:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
What was the website for SatoshiJack again? |
18:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
he told me ATC is working now |
18:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
but went away |
18:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
before i could respond |
18:18 |
fluffypony |
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_PUTIN_INTERNET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
18:19 |
fluffypony |
"President Vladimir Putin on Thursday called the Internet a CIA project" |
18:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00095959 = 6.4772 BTC [+] {2} |
18:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06809901 = 0.5448 BTC [+] |
18:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;rate hanbot 2 Every rose has its thorn |
18:31 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user hanbot has been recorded. |
18:35 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583258.0 |
18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
stakanovist hahaha |
18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate nextime 1 is a stahanovist! |
18:35 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell nextime get in the wot eh. |
18:36 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony srsly dood, get teh noobs to wot. |
18:37 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I will :) |
18:37 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/ |
18:37 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: that's actually quite interesting |
18:37 |
kakobrekla |
is it? i havent followed the link |
18:37 |
fluffypony |
they've been around for a year or so |
18:37 |
fluffypony |
and it's not free to list |
18:38 |
fluffypony |
let me see if I can find an article |
18:38 |
fluffypony |
here: http://www.wamda.com/2013/06/a-global-startup-stock-exchange-platform-just-launched-is-it-a-good-bet-for-arab-startups |
18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
<jborkl_> only Italian I know << what, no rottinculo, no disgraziati, no nothing ? |
18:38 |
fluffypony |
costs about $5 500 for a company to list |
18:38 |
fluffypony |
and there are several stages including due dilligence |
18:38 |
fluffypony |
I'm not sure if them adding Bitcoin as a funding option will draw much interest from the BTC community tho |
18:39 |
kakobrekla |
ah they do fiat scams instead? |
18:39 |
moiety |
i just did this stupid quiz thing and i kid you not http://i.imgur.com/yqI6Qr2.png |
18:39 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: spot on |
18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves satoshijack.com no ? |
18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
"I wanted to share this new exciting news with you all. The Startup Stock Exchange (SSX) is now the first investment platform through which Bitcoins can be used to invest in companies!" |
18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
brilliant. he forgot biggest |
18:41 |
kakobrekla |
and best. |
18:41 |
fluffypony |
and AMAZING! |
18:42 |
fluffypony |
awwww :( |
18:42 |
fluffypony |
assbot: amazing? |
18:42 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety want a pea ? |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, when i see all these exciting news "we" teams, all i can think is |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/a842f850681fd26dd0d873c9053a2c3a/tumblr_n3snyhqT6y1qdlh1io1_400.gif |
18:44 |
moiety |
a pea? |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
well what do tiny turles eat |
18:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Pizza? |
18:45 |
kakobrekla |
this one is quite awsum too |
18:45 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0 |
18:45 |
kakobrekla |
still fresh |
18:45 |
moiety |
amd strawberries! |
18:45 |
moiety |
and* |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
kako lemme show you a magic : |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=583262.0 |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
"Why is your opportunity unique? |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange." |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
fuckwit. |
18:46 |
kakobrekla |
the readability of the .ly is worse :\ |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
so far we can't be bothered to do our research |
18:47 |
Apocalyptic |
wasn't nefario's exchange in UK ? |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
exactamundo |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
phantomcircuit aka strateman aka bitcoin consultancy, intersangro etc |
18:48 |
Apocalyptic |
wait, how is phantomcircuit involved in this ? |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
who do you think wrote that famed script that emailed the entire userbase the emails of the entire userbase ? |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
and where was this happening ? |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
phantomcircuit did it, on the previous first best & largest uk exchange. |
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18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
cca 2011 |
18:49 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: "The remainder will be kept in reserves to pay for monthly costs, such as the data center." - they have an entire data center to pay for, yo |
18:49 |
Apocalyptic |
I see |
18:50 |
kakobrekla |
i also love this part: |
18:50 |
kakobrekla |
>What about the casino? |
18:50 |
kakobrekla |
Multibet.io is a work in progress, but is another source of income for our company. You will also receive profits from this. |
18:50 |
kakobrekla |
-- |
18:50 |
fluffypony |
of cors |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
why is .io so popular with bitcoin scams & retarded noobs ? |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
do they allow anon regs or some shit ? |
18:50 |
Apocalyptic |
kako, reads to me like we'll be doing all sorts of shits, because another income |
18:51 |
kakobrekla |
its short and still free |
18:51 |
kakobrekla |
free as in not taken, not not costing any $ |
18:51 |
asciilifeform |
occurred to me that you can usually tell at a glance which people experience a twinge of physical pain when spending someone else's money, and which ones don't. |
18:51 |
asciilifeform |
'gotta pay for... data center' |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo "And that's pretty much the thing in a nutshell." "Generally..." "Basically..." dude you sound moonstruck. |
18:52 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Maybe that is the public impression I want to deliver. I mean I let herbi think I was a bot for a good while. |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe it is. |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
poor herbi, he had a good idea but not so good carry through |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
mebbe next time. |
18:53 |
kakobrekla |
Apocalyptic what do you mean 'we' ? |
18:54 |
Apocalyptic |
kako, the "we" of their post obviously |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
overheard in my room "I broke my lip on your cock!" |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: better than the other way around. |
18:55 |
kakobrekla |
ah ok then, i thought i signed something that was not aware of for a sec |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'Мы Америку догнали. По надоям молока, А по мясу мы отстали: Хуй сломался у быка.' |
| |
↖ ↖ |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
(hruschev era. naturally) |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"And a couple days later I became MP's ATC trader." |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo dude, at the time you were atc trading already for a day or two |
19:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1445 @ 0.00095722 = 1.3832 BTC [-] |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: At the time I battled herbi I was trading my own ATC |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
usure ? |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Fairly sure. Herbi was trading your ATC. |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Then he lost it. |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
nah he never got atc from me. |
19:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh. |
19:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, the herbi stuff was over the 13th and 14th. It wasn't until later I became your trader (but not much later) |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.' |
| |
↖ |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
(translation mine) |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Feb 14 03:12:12 the herbi argument you quote | Feb 15 10:41:31 <mircea_popescu>pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do. |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
so right you are. |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
"we caught up with the us on milk ; we're behind on meat, our bull's cock [is] broke" |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
well sure, but i like rhyming transl. |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
you lot are free to volunteer better one. |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
you call at last / alas a rhyme ? |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
bah. |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
to criticise is to volunteer. |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i wouldn't even have noticed it's trying to be had you not said so :D |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
19:11 |
artifexd |
Regarding SatoshiJack, https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/8980-multi-crypto-multiplayer-blackjack-html5/ says that the site is http://satoshijack.com/ or http://just-blackjack.com/ |
19:11 |
artifexd |
Both of which are currently down. |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
let's try this one |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell satoshijack sites down ? |
19:11 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
'Полюбила я Хрущева, / Вышла замуж за него. / Оказалось, вместо хуя / Кукуруза у него.' |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha него ftw. |
19:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095444 = 6.6162 BTC [-] {2} |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i fell for hruschev and married him / turned out his cock was a cobb |
19:12 |
asciilifeform |
aye, but anybody can do that. |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
pfff |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, this art form is curiously absent in the anglo world. |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
kukuruza, btw, is almost as lulzy as lenina |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
where's the obama version. |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
There was once a great storm / Which moved the White House to the desert of Sahara |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
A bedouin lost in the desert stumbled on the lawn / Obama assured him that if he likes his water, |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
He can have his water. |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
lel |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
want the kicker ? |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
"but it doesn't rhyme" "white rhyme, suka" |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
lolz |
19:18 |
asciilifeform |
just had the thought, nobody else in this ch. likes languages ? |
19:19 |
phf |
fell in love with mr. krushchev / but the marrige was a flop / on our wedding night discovered / that his penis was a cobb |
19:19 |
* |
asciilifeform claps |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
phf hey pretty good |
19:20 |
phf |
that's preserving the original derevensky rhythm :) |
19:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
what's a cobb? |
19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
o btw, to note down the 2nd kicker in my thing, for they who do not speak russki : |
19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
suka does not stand for sucker, but for bitch. |
19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google corn cobb |
19:21 |
gribble |
Corncob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corncob>; Corn on the cob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_on_the_cob>; How To Boil Corn On The Cob - What's Cooking America: <http://whatscookingamerica.net/Vegetables/BoilingCorn.htm> |
19:21 |
asciilifeform |
thought everybody knew that at this point |
19:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
well i assumed corn cob |
19:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
but wasnt sure |
19:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
cuz two b's |
19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no but the symmetry see ? white/white for liberals/normal ppl, mirrored in the suka/suka for english/russian |
19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
also! what's seven days without a pun make one ? |
19:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
weak |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
seven days w/o a pun make one week |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
#bitcoin-assets-and-language-abuse |
19:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
already have my first wordpress problem... fml |
19:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
comment isnt showing after being approved |
19:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
does he need to confirm his account or sumth? |
19:25 |
asciilifeform |
'Нам хотели запретить / По этой улице ходить. / Стены каменны пробьем - / По этой улице пройдем. / А вы, запретители, / хуя не хотите ли?' |
19:25 |
asciilifeform |
(re: bans on btc, etc) |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves the one on the recent comments ? |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe you're set not to display trackbacksa |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform that makes no sense. |
19:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah it may be a trackback, not a regular comment |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so built a wall along street to restrict walking... |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
nah |
19:28 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Prolly a trackback from my post |
19:28 |
asciilifeform |
loosely: 'they a ban for us decreed / for to keep us from this street / we shall move aside stone blocks / on this street we'll take our walks' |
19:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
yep |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
"This suggests focusing on robustness, as opposed to prediction, because the system works against rational expectations, especially those consensus ideas that come out of large bureaucracies. After all, what better sufficient statistic for a mimic to exploit than some well-known regulatory bullet point that supposedly ensures trivial risk? Recessions are not going away; they are endogenous because zero mimicry is not a |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
n equilibrium among insects, reptiles, or humans. Expect more unexpected recessions, just not real soon, and not in subprime housing." |
19:29 |
asciilifeform |
last stanza exercise for alert reader |
19:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm a noob i guess |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
this fucking article explains both why ycombinator is such a shitpile |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
and why the majority of "actors" in "business" hate my and my model |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm exactly the opposite of a bureaucracy, fucking impredictible by design |
19:30 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: See, before the quoted interaction with herbi there would have been zero or less reason to propose I be your altcoin trader, whereas herbi had been pimping his 1337 quant skills and fx hobby. |
19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i see. |
19:31 |
thestringpuller |
damn dark souls II is out... |
19:31 |
thestringpuller |
i haven't even beaten dark souls yet |
19:31 |
thestringpuller |
da fuq did the time go? |
19:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
to GTA? |
19:31 |
thestringpuller |
dark souls came out in 2011 |
19:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52312269 = 3.6619 BTC [-] {5} |
19:32 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Up to then there had never really been any solid indication of this chan that I might have some potential for trading prowess, at least not until I took herbi's house, car, wife, and dingo |
19:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Making two profits in the process |
19:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
such modesty and grace |
19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol yeah. poor dingo. |
19:34 |
BingoBoingo |
herbi at the time lsot what was all of his declared BTC |
19:35 |
BingoBoingo |
One of my favorite parts of the thing was the spread ran roughly from 400 satoshis to 100 satoshis, and he though settling around 100 satoshis would be a bad thing. Low and behold since x-bt opened 100-200 satoshis has been the norm. |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it wasn't ever a very high amt or anything. |
19:35 |
BingoBoingo |
No it wasn't |
19:36 |
BingoBoingo |
But at million dollar BTC, that's a new Dodge challenger with racing stripes he lost. |
19:36 |
thestringpuller |
;;later tell mod6 young jeezy july 12th Detroit... |
19:36 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. |
19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
that'd be the case if there existed no spot. as it is, he lost 50 bux or w/e the spot was |
19:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure. But if we value the BTC on the benkay principle that it is never worth parting with, it holds. Now with the sinking Patrick Harnet only cost 500 BTC or $2500, sure. This continutes to the mysticism surrounding BTC prices. |
19:40 |
BingoBoingo |
At the time herbi mess up there still kind of was a reliable-ish spot. |
19:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.0009568 = 8.7595 BTC [+] |
19:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00095788 = 3.9225 BTC [+] |
19:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52109887 BTC [-] |
19:45 |
phf |
asciilifeform: they wanted to forbid / walking down this street. / we'll smash the concrete walls / we'll march down the block / you, forbaders, / suck a cock! |
19:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00470994 = 0.5181 BTC [+] {2} |
19:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51780273 BTC [-] |
19:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00471 = 0.5134 BTC [+] |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/ |
19:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
"really have the intellectual ability to indentify" |
19:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
nevermind |
19:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
no |
19:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
its wrong |
19:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
19:53 |
mike_c |
trilema feature request: why do i have to go to secret page to login? having the cookie form on the 'fee' page would be nice. |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c aite. |
19:54 |
mike_c |
i'm trying to make more friends today by nitpicking everyone's work. |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
what, you do this with others, too ? |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL |
19:55 |
mike_c |
i tried on kako before. |
19:55 |
mike_c |
he told me to piss off |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
kako is not user friendly like i am |
19:56 |
kakobrekla |
:\ |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves what's wrong ? |
19:57 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla is plenty user friendly. He just isn't luser friendly. |
19:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Like the Cardano. |
19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
slander. |
19:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
indentify |
19:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
unless you are making up words |
19:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, of course kakobrekla manufacters the best slander. It works so good it makes itself right. |
19:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13004 @ 0.00095193 = 12.3789 BTC [-] {5} |
19:59 |
BingoBoingo |
!t h cog |
19:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00497602 / 0.00763533 / 0.01098941 (455 shares, 3.47407316 BTC), 7D: 0.00413010 / 0.00731819 / 0.01098941 (1171 shares, 8.56960097 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01165576 / 0.08800000 (3024 shares, 35.24702191 BTC) |
20:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
mp did you see preston's retort? it's like a text version of the baby-with-mirror gif http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/ |
20:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06835246 = 0.3418 BTC [+] |
20:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
TLDR = No u! |
20:01 |
kakobrekla |
bb dude have you read that thread, jesus fuck. |
20:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
the preston dude is offensively oblivious |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves no, is it any good ? |
20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c you now get a link off "cookie". good enuff ? |
20:03 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: The part where they finally liquidate after a bunch of "no u" back and forth between Gar and Goat |
20:03 |
mike_c |
ah, yes. good enuff. |
20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves heh wd. |
20:06 |
kakobrekla |
im not even sure what they are doing |
20:06 |
kakobrekla |
its like monthy python on drugs |
20:06 |
kakobrekla |
and real. |
20:06 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1795538/plain/) |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 3 |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the stones from the earth have spoken through the kako |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
bashed 102 quotes with 4440 votes < this is like.. not bad is it. |
20:09 |
kakobrekla |
srs, look at this, must be preserved; |
20:09 |
kakobrekla |
-- |
20:09 |
kakobrekla |
Quote from: Garr255 on April 21, 2014, 10:30:18 PM |
20:09 |
kakobrekla |
Cognitive Mining LLC is no longer liable for any past or present action or involved in the management of this project in any way. It is fully within the rights of Cognitive Mining LLC to find a new operator and resign. |
20:09 |
kakobrekla |
-- |
20:09 |
kakobrekla |
what is this even |
20:09 |
BingoBoingo |
No one knows except the people who shouldn't |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
it looks like they're announcing a new bitcoin credit card |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
imo |
20:10 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
20:12 |
artifexd |
;;rate hanbot 1 vital part of my education |
20:12 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded. |
20:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
yknow this auth shit frustrates when paired with a crash |
20:23 |
Duffer1 |
a ~20min grace would be nice |
20:24 |
Duffer1 |
if possible |
20:25 |
BingoBoingo |
It already has a 2-3 minute grace |
20:29 |
BingoBoingo |
http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/18/the_future_of_war_25_you_better_be_ready_to_fight_like_its_a_pre_electronic_age |
20:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5408 @ 0.0009501 = 5.1381 BTC [-] {3} |
20:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10298 @ 0.00094989 = 9.782 BTC [-] |
20:50 |
BingoBoingo |
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579498.0 |
20:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06963114 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2} |
20:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00094851 = 11.4295 BTC [-] |
20:55 |
BingoBoingo |
http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/23/bitcoin-needs-a-new-logo/ |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!up vcorem |
20:55 |
assbot |
Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes. |
20:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Preston has so much derp http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/22/the-ballad-of-doug-the-dao-part-1-time-to-stop-thinking-like-an-engineer/ |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"The U.S. Air Force, for example, no longer trains navigators in celestial sightings," |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit. |
21:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah, but... sounds right based of whisperings. |
21:01 |
BingoBoingo |
The ground pounders seem to still be getting well versed in the arts of map and compass, but for the rest... |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
this reads to me like "the us cook force no longer trains sauce chefs in flour-and-oil saucing" |
21:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Then there's the accident by which a fuel tanker and crew were lost because control systems failed. The crew was done in though by a lack of parachutes which had been recently removed. |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
well what the fuck then |
21:04 |
mike_c |
this preston jackass strikes me as a rebirth of dr foreskin. not worth even getting riled up over, and yet he manages to get under my skin with his herp derp. |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
21:05 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 496.2, Best ask: 496.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 496.41, 24 hour volume: 8131.92029418, 24 hour low: 480.0, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.566399614 |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c do you like zappa ? |
21:05 |
mike_c |
i don't really know him |
21:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Well the US defense posture goes back to the comments here where the challenges of an actual invasion of the US are discussed in terms of some areas having too many hillbillies to hold for an invader http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/ |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHa0_W8PD8 that's the song. |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
ow fuck. no, wrong one. this is it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQQOhwL7nkM |
21:08 |
mike_c |
i was getting into disco boy :) i like it. |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Don't know much about dancin' that's why I got this song |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
One of my legs is shorter than the other 'n both my feet's too long |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
'Course now right along with 'em I got no natural rhythm |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
But I go dancin' every night hopin' one day I might get it right |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
I hear that beat; I jump outa my seat but I can't compete, cause I'm a dancin' fool, I'm a dancin' fool |
21:09 |
BingoBoingo |
The greatest problem with the movie Red Dawn is that no sane invader of the US would spend more effort than necessary to hold the Rockie Mountains than that necessary to cripple command structures there. |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
When they see me comin' they all step aside |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
They has a fit while I commit my social suicide, |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
etc. |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i don't imagine anyone would be invading the us. |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
just you know, sink all its cruisers and impose a massive war reparations programme. |
21:10 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: In the next 100 to 500 year someone might want to use Kansas as their own breadbasket. |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
why ? |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
just tax the locals. |
21:11 |
BingoBoingo |
See this is the genius of Putin in Crimea and the enablement of US golden toilets all rolled into one. |
21:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Putin could have crimea and Eastern Ukraine because the people already favor Russia. |
21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmAqdKJCUAAHdzf.jpg << dat michelle ass. |
21:12 |
BingoBoingo |
However if 1000 hillbillies with rifles oppose their own government over cows... |
21:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7652 @ 0.00094896 = 7.2614 BTC [+] {2} |
21:12 |
BingoBoingo |
What luck do the Chinese have |
21:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1848 @ 0.00095066 = 1.7568 BTC [+] |
21:13 |
BingoBoingo |
The same thing that gives Putin his good fortune enables America's golden toilets thus. |
21:14 |
BingoBoingo |
The entire world is Italy. |
21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2845a << re this, kakobrekla or anyone with the data ready, what's the average duration for bitbet bets ? |
21:19 |
jurov |
BingoBoingo they don't necessarily favor Russia, they know well who Putin is |
21:19 |
jurov |
but they will be made to favor it any way necessary |
21:19 |
BingoBoingo |
jurov: Well, no one is offered a perfectly selection of choices. |
21:20 |
BingoBoingo |
What enables or prohibits aggression for territory, is not tanks fighter jets, or nukes but the williness or lack thereof to accept certain kinds or sources of governance. |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
let me interject something related i was just happening to read. a bit of a paste : |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
This stickiness of the Semitic languages supports a speculation: by the 7th Century there had to be many pockets in the Western Mediterranean of Punic-Canaanite speakers, about a thousand years after the fall of Carthage. Falling under Roman rule did not turn the population into Latin speakers (only for scholarly purposes, say Saint Augustine of Hyppo; we have much evidence of diglossia in the Levant, of the use of a l |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
anguage at home and for oral communication that is different from the language of writing, and doing so for 1000 years). And there had to be plenty of Semitic language speakers; just follow placenames from Carthage to Ramatuelle in France near Saint Tropez (ramat el means hill of God in both Canaanite and Hebrew). Even Marseilles seems to come from Marsa, port in Canaanite (and not from Massilia the Roman name since th |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
e Romans did not make names, but transcribed them). I estimate that the third of the coastal villages spoke Semitic dialects. The modus of the Phoenicians was network, hence a system of trade links built on trust (you send merchandise to a relative who pays you back; you needed a certain amount of trust before the letter of credit). The region is large: it extends all the way to Mogador on the Atlantic coast. |
21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
This explains the mystery of the effortless Arab invasion of the Southern and Western Mediterranean, all the way to Spain (and, less advertised, the Portuguese Algarve). They had to be welcomed by the local population along the coast. Canaanite and Arabic are easily mutually comprehensible (the distance between Semitic languages is very short, a corrollary of the stability thanks to the triplet of consonnants). And it |
21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
is wasy for a Punic speaker to progressively become an Arabic speaker, since he already knows 80-90% of the vocabulary. |
21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
This also gives some credibility to the thesis that was popping up in the 19th century that the North African Jews had a Phoenician origin (or that the difference between Canaanite and Jew before the rabbinical period was not very pronounced for p |
21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
( http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm, taleb's article) |
21:26 |
BingoBoingo |
!up aadeseye |
21:26 |
assbot |
Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes. |
21:26 |
BingoBoingo |
!up vcorem |
21:26 |
assbot |
Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes. |
21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
so BingoBoingo, war may simply be that : dating. |
21:27 |
kakobrekla |
85 days |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
who are the hillbillies going to support ? bigus dickus, the roman bureaucrat ? |
21:28 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Of course it is. Diplomacy is also dating. Governance is a different thing though. Marriage. |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus, the local nut ? |
21:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Usually the local nut. |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
putin the redbeard, the norwegian rapist cum invader ? |
21:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1164 @ 0.00094851 = 1.1041 BTC [-] |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla ty! |
21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
do you also sleep ? |
21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/embed/zPGb4STRfKw << bigus dickus |
21:29 |
BingoBoingo |
The hill billies always support the local nut, or the regional nut they can identify with |
21:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094837 = 10.5269 BTC [-] |
21:32 |
kakobrekla |
90 if you include the time from closing to resolution |
21:32 |
kakobrekla |
;;ud sleep |
21:32 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sleep | You have been awake for 18 hours and are now viewing this useless definition of sleep. You are very tired and your brain is not functioning at its ... |
21:33 |
kakobrekla |
srsly someone planted that there eh |
21:33 |
kakobrekla |
next time ill rather google. |
21:34 |
BingoBoingo |
The wife is called Incontientia |
21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
incontinentia buttocks |
21:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Lol phrasing |
21:35 |
BingoBoingo |
.bait |
21:35 |
ozbot |
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8732uiP5v1r6bw5mo1_1280.png |
21:37 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20810638,00.html |
21:37 |
ozbot |
Justin Bieber Detained by Customs at Los Angeles Airport - Crime & Courts, Justin Bieber : People.co |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
shot ruined by panties srsly. |
21:38 |
random_cat |
wut benkay |
21:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah, in other news, elmo acquitted http://gawker.com/ex-elmo-voice-actor-kevin-clash-cleared-of-sexual-abuse-1567240733 |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
im sure the practicak difference between acquittal and conviction is less than the difference between his life pre and post that nonsense. |
21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
For sure |
21:41 |
BingoBoingo |
In still continued news http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/us/colorado-marijuana-fourth-graders/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29 |
21:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Also a case of If you can You must http://gawker.com/school-agrees-to-stop-pumping-kids-full-of-mountain-dew-1567173577 |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
22:01 |
BingoBoingo |
!up jborkl_ |
22:01 |
assbot |
Voicing jborkl_ without time-limit. |
22:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094776 = 10.5201 BTC [-] {2} |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/04/20/ryanryans-31565/images/full/03.jpg |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
check out that awful titjob |
22:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
0O |
22:10 |
BingoBoingo |
That's like liver and stomach boobs. Missed the chest by quite a bit |
22:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Chicago http://deadspin.com/the-cubs-400-pound-wrigley-cake-is-sitting-in-a-dumpste-1567177257 |
22:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
nonsensical derpitude |
22:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Also the left hand path http://regressing.deadspin.com/can-you-predict-if-your-kid-will-throw-left-handed-1552111458/+kylenw |
22:13 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Whatever, you aren't getting any of my insider info. |
22:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
"he researchers indeed discovered that left-handedness, like schizophrenia, was highly associated with being conceived in May or June " yknow this has always been my theory of how zodiac traits were started |
22:16 |
BingoBoingo |
I also swear deadspin might be the only Gawker enterprise worth saving. |
22:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
seasonal effects on mother, child, and the people influencing the child |
22:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, I'm right handed but left eye dominant. Sometimes I'm clumsy, but that is usually just distilled rather than beyond the grave spirits at work. |
22:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
also in my own experience many of the crazies i met that are also smart are left-handed |
22:18 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo: interesting article - my son is 14 weeks ATM, is favouring his left hand when grabbing for things yet no left handers in my family although my father is schizophrenic as was my grandfather and my uncle |
22:18 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Well, teach him to throw a baseball and save his economic future. |
22:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
my brother favored his left hand but my dad basically "corrected" him out of it |
22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of may and june, check this shit out : |
22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2849 |
22:19 |
ozbot |
BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015 |
22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
the may-june-july hole |
22:19 |
Duffer1 |
in case anyone has some scorn they need to let out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.0 |
22:19 |
Duffer1 |
Adeally |
22:20 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu: didn't Obama already mention it last year albeit off the cuff remark questioning he needed to worry about it or not |
22:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
do those stats also conveniently map to bubbles? |
22:20 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: What I gather is that SEO spammers can't spec interesting bets |
22:20 |
cazalla |
if* |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves maybe. was there a bubble last summer ? |
22:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
april |
22:20 |
BingoBoingo |
No, last summer was a slump |
22:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe it's an indicator! |
22:21 |
BingoBoingo |
$100-80 until the rally to the millenial value |
22:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
correlation = causation! |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: The discussion usually centers around politeness, because the mimics dont really have the intellectual ability to identify, nor the ethical fiber to enunciate the real problem << reminds me: |
22:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think low bet submissions being topical is enough to change the tide |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
paging herr naggum! |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243007932071437@naggum.no.html |
22:22 |
ozbot |
Re: Bohr's way - Naggum cll archive |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244958379944187@naggum.no.html |
22:22 |
ozbot |
Re: Difference between LISP and C++ - Naggum cll archive |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
(ignore the thread titles, these were strictly psychiatric ruminations, nothing to do with programming computer) |
22:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
ascii thats good stuff |
22:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
"It has been my experience that it is strongly related to competence, but |
22:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
competence is related to some method of measurement of your success at |
22:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
what you try to do. If you work in a field where you cannot distinguish |
22:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
between good or bad, where everything is someone's "personal opinion" and |
22:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
nobody has any right answers, that just /has/ to be destructive for your |
22:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
self-confidence. " |
22:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
basically my epitaph in marketing industry |
22:24 |
cazalla |
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/wolff/2013/10/27/ceos-are-often-clueless-about-technology/3182203/ so Obama aware of Bitcoin in October of last year, wonder if that increases odds of meeting bet criteria |
22:24 |
BingoBoingo |
The most exciting treatise on politics Gawker has ever hosted http://deadspin.com/pine-tar-should-be-fully-legal-and-baseball-is-still-f-1567100538 |
22:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
"The reason we didn't like it was because it was so 'in your face.' If he had been a little more discreet with it nothing would have ever been said." |
22:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
22:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Truth |
22:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Everything is legal so long as you wait until the contest is over to flaunt it |
22:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
even the commenters that think they get it don't |
22:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Totally agree that it should be legal. In the mean time, Pineda really just needs to get better at this. I mean, he should realize that he is being watched after the last incident, there has to be a better place to put pine tar than on your neck. Just learn to cheat better." |
22:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
everyone talking about how he should have cheated |
22:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
not whether |
22:28 |
BingoBoingo |
I mean the writer cam to the wrong conclusion. It should still stay "banned" but discretion is the first step towards sophistication. |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo, ThickAsThieves, other players of baseball - is the tar considered a cheat because it gives actual advantage? or merely not part of the regulation game? |
22:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
assimilate or eliminate is my motto |
22:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
if elimination is not possible, |
22:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
assimilation is mandatory |
22:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
as in, they obv cant totally stop people from using it |
22:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
therefore allow them to use it |
22:30 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Tar for pitchers is considered a forbiden necessity. For batters it is completely acceptable. |
22:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Also http://deadspin.com/does-your-favorite-team-suck-at-keeping-an-efficient-pa-1567366582 |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
elaborate on the 'forbidden necessity' |
22:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3482 @ 0.00094846 = 3.3025 BTC [+] {2} |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
similar to, say, steroids? |
22:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
basically people are superstitious that picthers can do magical things when using tar |
22:31 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: It's use is necessary to master the craft, but exposing it is a faux pas. |
22:31 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Different from steroids in that the results are more quantifiable. |
22:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
pitchers argue its only to prevent totally losing the ball into ttghe crowd |
22:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3818 @ 0.00095492 = 3.6459 BTC [+] |
22:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
the answer is probly in the middle |
22:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
baseball is very traditional though |
22:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Steroids do little in baseball beyond decreasing the time to recover from injury and maybe adding a bit of power. Doctoring a ball though is nearly essential for a pitcher to excel. |
22:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Basically there are reasons it is mostly aging hitters taking steroids, but every pitcher is doctoring the ball. |
22:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
has anyone done useful research about pitching with tar? |
22:35 |
BingoBoingo |
(This sidesteps the part where all of the good batters have ADHD diagnoses because amphetamines are the best performance enhancer for a batter) |
22:35 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Not for your budget. |
22:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
? |
22:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
my budget? |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: what kind of diagnoses do, e.g. marathon runners get? anemia? |
22:36 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Yes. Marathoners get anemia. Hockey players get various autoimmune diagnoses. |
22:36 |
BingoBoingo |
To justify constant anti-inflammatory drugs |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
what disease should one contract as, say, chess player ? |
22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
That probably would be ADHD again. |
22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
And is the reason many high level players don't want to see olympic chess. |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
i thought this was because FIDE wanted to ban coffee |
22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
That too. |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
the se;f confidence thing sounds just like greenspun's problem |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
(who'll play after this!?) |
22:38 |
BingoBoingo |
But the distinction between leaded and unleaded coffee isn't caffinated vs. decaf. |
22:38 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla well, if he had or hadn't, still has to be in bet interval. wasn't like a "first time" or anything |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
leaded coffee! |
22:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol forumite says to me "What would it possibly take for you to remove the negative trust you left me?" |
22:39 |
BingoBoingo |
It was rumored that in baseball clubhouses leaded vs. unleaded was how they refered to amphetamine spiked coffee |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo what does tar do ? |
22:39 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: It affects grip and the aerodynamics of the ball. |
22:40 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: And this is baseball so there are nearly as many balls spent in the game as outs. |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: amphetamine isn't magic. see: |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://yarchive.net/med/nootropics.html |
22:40 |
ozbot |
Nootropics ("smart drugs") (Steven B. Harris, M.D.) |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
mandatory reading for the 'better living through chemistry' aficionados. |
22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
this is what, tar like on their hands ? like oil ? |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
tldr - engineering tradeoffs of self-medication |
22:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00094732 = 9.9469 BTC [-] |
22:42 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Pine tar. So the sticky stuff pine leaks basically. Batters use it to not throw the bat into the crowd. Pitchers use it to add precision to the point they release the ball. |
22:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's sticky |
22:42 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Those exist indeed. |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
oic |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: analogous to flying jet on 'afterburner' |
22:43 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Or rocket with boosters. The sauce only provides benefits for so long. |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
afterburners are a pain in most situations tho. much less precision |
22:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Well afterburners is amphetamine. Pine tar is whatever makes a plane more responsive, engineered instability or whatever |
22:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0698999 = 0.3495 BTC [+] |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
amusingly, i think pine tar is... amphetamine |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
funny how that wraps. |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
i can hardly think of pine tar without tasting in my head that crap the greeks drink. |
22:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, it is not an incredibly simple mapping. |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo but the one thing that makes the plane "more responsive" is spiking the pilot. |
22:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course. It is better though if both the pilot and plane are spiked. |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
one can easily think of the design boundaries here (spiked fellow in ww1 sopwith, vs 'clean' one in modern jet) |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
basic boojum here is, however, 'first ecstacy, then laundry' |
22:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Pine tar is spiking the plane (The F-16, a wily old pitcher) amphetamine is spiking the pilot (B-2 crews, Barry Bonds) |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
as described by steve harris |
22:49 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
22:53 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Your link on nootropics reminds me of why the alcohol/caffine combination is my prefered and only regular combination from that toolset. |
22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"If you /are/ the majority and I am in the minority, how could you possibly believe that I have not already and many years ago figured out exactly how you guys work? If you had the brain to do it, this would be a grave insult, but you do not think ahead. You do in fact not think at all, because the things you say can only be uttered by a mind closed shut long ago." |
22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
lelz |
22:54 |
BingoBoingo |
The only big error with the link is that nicotine is not *cholinergic* at all |
22:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Nicotine is nicotinic |
22:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Works on its own subset of the acetycholine responsive system while ignoring others. |
22:54 |
asciilifeform |
;;google nicotinic acetylcholine receptor |
22:54 |
gribble |
Nicotinic acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_acetylcholine_receptor>; Acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcholine_receptor>; Nicotinic agonist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_agonist> |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
pediwikia will have to suffice for now |
22:55 |
BingoBoingo |
And the literature reveals nicotine excites some, but not all cholinergic receptors. |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
sure |
22:56 |
* |
asciilifeform flashbacks to old day job |
22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
no he has a point, calling it cholinergic is a ridiculous approximation. |
22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
might as well call busses "avionic" |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
lul |
22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
well... they're kinda similar. |
22:57 |
asciilifeform |
the little plane that goes to timis. from germany is astoundingly bus-like. |
22:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, think of dopamine (which the pharmacologically illerterate posit fuels all addiction) |
22:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.069975 = 0.4199 BTC [+] {2} |
22:58 |
BingoBoingo |
There are different dopamine agonists and antagonists that don't all hit the same types of dopamine receptors |
22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
dude i love this chan. i shall now write yet another great trilema article on the basis of shit i ran into here. |
22:59 |
BingoBoingo |
And of the major addictive drugs of abuse only cocaine and amphetamines hit any type of dopamine receptor primarily |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
one of the things i used to do is model action of oximes (as an antidote to anticholinergics) |
22:59 |
BingoBoingo |
If dopamine for its own sake was the desired effect, junkies would skip heroin and just eat L-DOPA and broadbreans |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
and this always gave me sad thoughts about how a very similar mechanism could probably be used to zap 'tolerance' to, e.g. caffeine |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
but It Would Be Wrong (TM) |
23:00 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: And I sat through literally 2/3rds of the PharmD curiculumn, half of it twice. But as a TA so I get no credit for having done such a thing. |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
eat L-DOPA and broadbreans << nope. kinetics are 90% of the fun |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
as you probably know. |
23:01 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Kinetics are huge. |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
consider why cocainistas snort, inject - never eat |
23:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Poor first pass metabolism |
23:01 |
BingoBoingo |
isn't economical to eat. |
23:02 |
BingoBoingo |
With L-Dopa the Blood Brain Barrier plays a role, but convulsions play a bigger one |
23:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Nicotine is the perfect model of an addictive drug because tremendous excess is tolerated by the peripheral neurons, but its absence after tolerance raises holy fucking hell. |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
holy fucking hell my foot. |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
it raises the most minor of inconveniences conceivable. |
23:04 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: In the accultured. As opposed to the occasional |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
people just conveniently pretend like their experiences matter out of all proportion. |
23:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure. |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
do an experiment where you get shocked at a modest 48 volts at random intervals on average 8 times a second. |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
for you know, nine weeks. |
23:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Imma prolly miss the shocks. |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
you can buy a convenient instrument for this. |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
in your teeth. |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
at dog shops |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
now that's an inconvenience. not fucking nicotine deprivation. |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
teeth? what'd you have? the fabled 'radio amalgam' ? |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
just sayin'. |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
get a special bed rigged where you get pricked with a pin. all the time. somewhere. |
23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, you have to consider what receptor is involved at the intersection of skeletal muscle and the neuro |
23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
or forget that even. just a sm |
23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
simple programme of... load crates 16 hours a day. every day. |
23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
or dig ditches or w/e. |
23:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Now we're getting to common ground |
23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
after six weeks of that, the choice is never smoke again and never have to crate it up again |
23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
or both. |
23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
suddenly the hot fucking hell is like... |
23:08 |
BingoBoingo |
16 hours of lifting arbitrary things about nicotine cessation for the habituated |
23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
arbitrary things over 30lbs |
23:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Over 15lbs even, if we are going arbitrary and 16 hours, 5-15 lbs, The unpredictability of load has value. |
23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
30 to 60. |
23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
good enough |
23:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Keep in mind my experiences prolly don't map onto to many others. I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors most people have in the general population) |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. i'm kinda up to here with the smoking addiction thing. i've been smoking since ~16. that's two decades ago. i still smoke, i average a pack a month. prolly less these days. it takes all the willpower of a tomato as far as i can tell, it's never bothered me. |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors << where'd you misplace them? |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform bad divorce. |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Back when 23andme made medical declarations I spit in a tube. Apparently I am part A-Rab |
23:14 |
BingoBoingo |
I guess because the gene was TAQ something or other |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
my first guess was MPTP. |
23:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Nah |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
;;google Barry Kidston MPTP |
23:15 |
gribble |
MPTP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPTP>; Opiophilia: The Frozen Addicts: A Cautionary Tale: <http://opiophilia.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-frozen-addicts-cautionary-tale.html>; Heroin, MPTP, and the key to Parkinson's Disease - Everything2.com: <http://everything2.com/title/Heroin%252C+MPTP%252C+and+the+key+to+Parkinson%2527s+Disease> |
23:15 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm familiar with MPTP induced parkinsons from reading. |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
better than from practice! |
23:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Parkinsons is more a D-1 and D-3 thing though. |
23:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [+] {2} |
23:17 |
BingoBoingo |
I have an admitedly odd neurology. I throw a baseball right handed but have to shoot the rifle left handed. |
23:19 |
BingoBoingo |
My left eye tremendously overpowers the right, but my right hand tremendously has dexterity over the left. |
23:21 |
BingoBoingo |
In practice this works great for watching porn because different halves of my brain can be watching porn vs. jacking me off, a perfect stranger |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
wetware DMA ? |
23:22 |
BingoBoingo |
More like SCSI. |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
23:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Terminators and all |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
this has potential for good sf story mindfuck |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
folks in the Dark Future of Hello Kitty (TM) splitting their brain, so they can literally (in their head) fuck themselves. |
23:23 |
BingoBoingo |
I also throw a bowling ball with alternating hands given situations favorable to one side or the other's strengths |
23:24 |
BingoBoingo |
The only people IRL on OL with similar issues were notorious epileptics so I guess being more functional than that is a plus. |
23:25 |
BingoBoingo |
For all I actually know maybe I am more addicted to menthol than nicotine |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
shouldn't be hard to find out which, no? |
23:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.512005 = 1.024 BTC [-] {2} |
23:27 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Especially hard since 23andme conceded medicine to MObama |
23:27 |
BingoBoingo |
The beautiful thing is this doesn't much matter. |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
i meant, by taking only one and see what happens |
23:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 481 @ 0.00444549 = 2.1383 BTC [-] {14} |
23:28 |
BingoBoingo |
There are some practical restrictions. Like my preference for menthol cigarettes. |
23:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Next thing you know I will forsake N.W.A. for Sheryl Crow |
23:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Also I can't threaten incapacitating my self that much lest BTC/AtC goes to hell |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
where's it now? |
23:32 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future. |
23:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Between 100 and 200 satoshis |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
i now confess that i missed what was herbi and wife |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
some bozo invested his fortune in atc ?!? |
23:33 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: The conversation is attached to here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/ |
23:34 |
BingoBoingo |
He invested little. It seemed to be a small portion of his anything. |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
so how'd this constitute a zapping of future? |
23:34 |
BingoBoingo |
You were at points in the conversation. |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
lol i was wasnt i |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
prob. on autopilot |
23:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Read on, you saw it the first time. |
23:35 |
BingoBoingo |
He sought to seed microstructures, but every order he entered was like my betting green in roulette and hitting. |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
lel |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future. << dude srsly. |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose you actually do something like that one day. |
23:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-] |
23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
what are you going to say, "herp", because you already used the proper expression in april 2014 ? |
23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta save yourself some cake. |
23:37 |
asciilifeform |
'dynamic range' |
23:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0325 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {2} |
23:38 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Prolly. Cake comes and goes. I might hammer out consistent gains, but probably never again over a bid-ask pread of 4 times |
23:38 |
BingoBoingo |
(spread so deep it lost a consanant) |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i re-read that thing. maybe it'd make sense to me with strong drink. |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
as it is i'm tuned to wrong frequency, perhaps |
23:41 |
benkay |
;;later tell decimation i did indeed and would be pleased to help you do the same although i'm sure you can figure it out |
23:41 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
23:42 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Well I mentioned this in another post, but it goes back to baseball. Who carries half of a ptcher's success and why? |
23:43 |
* |
asciilifeform reviews piece on baseball in '93 issue of 'наука и жизнь' |
23:43 |
* |
asciilifeform lives in usa since '92 and needs to do this |
23:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Normally the answer is the catcher calling pitches, as a great catcher is a slightly better source of entropy than the batter |
23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
This exists as an exact why for bitches loving Yadier Molina. |
23:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Though on the same team and Albert Pujols becoming a legend first, this is the exact machanism that made Pujols fungible with Carlos Beltran et al. while Molina was and is irreplaceable. |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
anyone here other than BingoBoingo - gets this? |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo works as scholar of sport? a referee? |
23:48 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Consider the game of chess vs. the game of artillery. |
23:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+] |
23:49 |
BingoBoingo |
In chess there is a tremendous advantage to anticipating lines your opponent might try to put forth. |
23:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Where as in artillery the goal is to hit the target first. |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
vs where? |
23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, a pitcher to get an out either has to throw three strikes or get the hitter to put the ball in a location favorable to one of their fielders. |
23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Multiple attempts are a necessity |
23:51 |
BingoBoingo |
No less than three. |
23:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Vs. artillery where the opponent merely needs to hit you once |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps in msdos game 'scorched earth', where each side gets one cannon. |
23:52 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Actually I am thinking the Apple II version, but yes, that artillery game |
23:53 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either << wot ch2 omission smarted |
23:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Otherwise we could suppose infinite shitty alternate artillery games where one side produces a grunt who climbs a hill and stabs the cannon to death. |
23:54 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay hm ? |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: 'paratrooper' |
23:54 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: lol. |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://image.dosgamesarchive.com/screenshots/paratrooper.gif |
23:54 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu: dun think i got any credit for popping the recent sybils. |
23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
no credit for you! |
23:55 |
benkay |
used to it |
23:55 |
benkay |
's why i'm in mgmt these days |
23:55 |
benkay |
(marginally) |
23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Reminds me of a conundrum. Every US Infantry officer gets the chance at ranger school after graduation, but many officers deployed to ostentiably infantry assignments will not be infantry officers. |
23:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Afghanistan fucks all empires |
23:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Because Italy |
23:59 |
BingoBoingo |
By Italy I mean classic Italy, anyone born more than two barns from you and your goats is a foreigner |