#trilema | 2014-03-28

xdotcomm_: benkay: how come exchanges /etc are not using this https://gpgauth.org/ << because why would anyone sane give their keys away to some website ? might as well ask why no serious bloggers are ujsing disqus.

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xdotcomm_

mircea_popescu: i thought it was comporable to irc-bot

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the20year3 this "enough of our shareholders complain" tack is bollocks. i complain, and i'll have your head for it, plain and simple.

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nice job outspamming assbot (see below charts) http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com

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lets see who gets tired first

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xdotcomm_ how can it be comparable tho ? i mean... gribble actually ads functionality.

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separating a website in two websites doesn't really.

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ah i forgot to mention MP re outspamming

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cazalla that's actually an excellent q, hope you get some answer.

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kakobrekla waitwut ?

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yeah.

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mircea_popescu: That's about the sentiment I've been coming to have about my plot coupons.

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BingoBoingo thought you'd appreciate that.

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]

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you have beaten assbot per last 7 days and per last 30 days mirea.

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deadweasel: why would anybody consult the public? << maybe the public is topless and looks good on its back ?

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mircea.

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kakobrekla haha! do a 2013 one ?

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goddamn kebroad.

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lmao que broad!

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maybe, now its rolling 12 months

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i dont have that much history or smth

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o yeah, got started in april huh

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im getting outtyped

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number 5 on 12 month, number 9 on 30 days and 24 on weekly

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kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#587452 he managed to put an empty string in

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that bastard

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mircea_popescu but it was an empty line

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Is this still an issue...

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his client sucks ? i can't send empty lines

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i didn't even know irc allowed empty lines.

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http://shrani.si/f/2o/Tv/2TtdEkf5/benkay.png

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Oh, ellipses don't hide text in the logs that come out of assbot no more

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now stop busting my balls and go fix your css

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ThickAsThieves that's funny, because 99.999% of published researchers live off grants given by the people who want global warming to be a rthing.

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my css is fine in that it doesn't exist.

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yes its possible to send empty lines but my altgr on mah keyboard is broken

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que broad i mean

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aok

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$ticker h neobee

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!ticker h neobee

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[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00155000 / 0.00209392 / 0.00279899 (50471 shares, 105.68201148 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00269506 / 0.00415500 (131383 shares, 354.08461268 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00387846 / 0.00600000 (562136 shares, 2180.22469375 BTC)

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i guess the 25 people gave up too.

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 669 @ 0.00243989 = 1.6323 BTC [+] {3}

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llticker

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;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.79, Best ask: 506.47, Bid-ask spread: 4.68000, Last trade: 501.13, 24 hour volume: 55293.10877297, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 571.5, 24 hour vwap: 517.259175662

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wait wasn't it supposed to have dumped etc.

00:17

these logs i'm reading are delayed or something ;/

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whoa look at that! i wrote more this past month than the next 4 people bombined ?!

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kakobrekla pls to redirect b-a donations address to trilema kthx

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lnovy

c-c-c-c-ombo breaker

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neobee got hammered

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mircea_popescu no can do, hackers control donations

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mike_c there's only me posting as me. however, there's multiple people working on feeding me data and other predigested strings.

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kakobrekla lol good one.

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mike_c oldest trick in the book, every talking head on the tv screen has a little speaker in his ear thing. course, my backup is slightly better than what tv stations can afford, but still.

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moiety http://i.imgur.com/WrIzsNQ.gif

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00243989 = 2.4399 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00093704 = 22.3016 BTC [+] {2}

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o look, 200 lines in the past coupla hours. poor people trying to read the chan.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00093194 = 15.144 BTC [-]

00:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00093141 = 22.5401 BTC [-] {2}

00:35

Florida Man: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/tampa-tailgater-caught-on-video-then-for-real/2172272

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00093721 = 14.0113 BTC [+] {2}

00:42

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=540216.msg5940098#msg5940098

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Want to edit the wiki without paying a fee? Read this.

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05339959 = 0.267 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05432307 = 0.7062 BTC [+] {4}

00:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4636 @ 0.00093724 = 4.345 BTC [+]

00:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00093904 = 11.9728 BTC [+]

00:53

meow

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]

00:56

mircea_popescu: RE your next mention of Chicago http://deadspin.com/chicago-sports-radio-host-shits-in-the-studio-flees-th-1553315358

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lol

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006099 = 0.122 BTC [+]

01:01

o shit we are back on global warming

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00093871 = 7.5097 BTC [-]

01:02

I turned the heat up again

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.599998 BTC [+]

01:02

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 177 @ 0.00240999 = 0.4266 BTC [+] {2}

01:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.006099 = 0.1159 BTC [+]

01:07

<kakobrekla> http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com /// neat! i didnt realize i was such a blabber

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:)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00093904 = 23.2412 BTC [+]

01:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18595 @ 0.00093913 = 17.4631 BTC [+] {3}

01:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00093933 = 3.3863 BTC [+]

01:41

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1816762

01:41

LeoGroup Orchestrates Purchase of Stradivarius Violin Using Bitcoin - Press Release - Digital Journa

01:41

trading art for art, eh mircea_popescu?

01:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 944 @ 0.00243063 = 2.2945 BTC [+] {5}

01:47

bitcoinpete: if it were one of the Violas, that would be real news

01:48

i'm still glad to see people with coin shelling out for legit shit

01:49

bitcoins are better spent on one-of-a-kind art than electronics from tigerdirect

01:49

tigerdirect is a shit store

01:49

if they must be spent

01:49

i hope my bitbet gets approved

01:49

they're a store

01:50

their bitcoin system isn't working in Canada

01:50

if you make a new bet and send funds to fund the bet but it doesn't get approved will you get your coin back?

01:50

I have been getting great value out of my bitcoins by purchasing (probably carded) gift cards

01:51

drkow where in canada are you?

01:51

east

01:51

cool

01:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56564 @ 0.00093851 = 53.0859 BTC [-] {2}

01:51

https://cryptothrift.com/

01:52

drkow assette nubbins' is also east

01:52

wat

01:54

another guy here is from the maritimes

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oh I'm between toronto/montreal

01:55

canada is lame

01:55

it's too damn cold

01:55

you ever lived anywhere else? or traveled much at all?

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yeah

01:56

that's why I hate canada

01:57

well, you know where the door is

02:02

http://blog.oleganza.com/post/80920031705/a-million-dollar-problem-for-bitcoin-exchanges

02:02

Oleg Andreev - A million-dollar problem for Bitcoin exchanges

02:02

my reply: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449328380463165440

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]

02:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56250 @ 0.0009393 = 52.8356 BTC [+] {4}

02:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 389 @ 0.00231675 = 0.9012 BTC [-] {10}

02:20

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00214177 = 2.1418 BTC [-] {13}

02:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00093677 = 5.1054 BTC [-]

02:28

;;later tell benkay it's friday here!

02:28

The operation succeeded.

02:29

;;later tell artifexd it's friiiidaaay!

02:29

The operation succeeded.

~ 16 minutes ~

02:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2561 @ 0.00093872 = 2.4041 BTC [+]

02:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.0022 = 0.1518 BTC [-] {3}

02:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9724 @ 0.00093677 = 9.1092 BTC [-]

03:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00093957 = 23.0195 BTC [+] {3}

03:19

i enjoy your articles bitcoinpete, easier read than trilema (for me)

03:20

ah, he isn't here, i guess i shouldn't assume everyone uses a bouncer

03:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00094036 = 10.9082 BTC [+]

03:27

i read a study that says only 20% of people are capable of independent thought

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which makes you think, am i part of that 20%

03:29

and what constitutes independent thought, what are the parameters

03:32

or maybe even more powerful, what makes the 80%

~ 18 minutes ~

03:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.006099 = 0.2074 BTC [+]

03:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6936 @ 0.00094043 = 6.5228 BTC [+] {2}

03:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11514 @ 0.00094169 = 10.8426 BTC [+]

03:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20577 @ 0.00094171 = 19.3776 BTC [+] {2}

04:01

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59512 BTC [-]

04:07

bocobit, got a link to that study?

04:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00093859 = 20.649 BTC [-]

04:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00094183 = 17.6122 BTC [+] {2}

04:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00094007 = 0.9401 BTC [-]

04:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10176 @ 0.00093544 = 9.519 BTC [-] {2}

04:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00093149 = 22.6818 BTC [-] {2}

~ 21 minutes ~

04:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10074 @ 0.00093177 = 9.3867 BTC [+]

~ 18 minutes ~

05:05

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4600 @ 0.00011791 = 0.5424 BTC [+]

05:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22491 @ 0.00093768 = 21.0894 BTC [+]

05:11

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00223 = 0.145 BTC [+]

05:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14658 @ 0.00093768 = 13.7445 BTC [+]

05:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00093787 = 2.7667 BTC [+] {2}

05:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.05549997 = 0.8325 BTC [+] {10}

05:27

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00241897 = 0.1427 BTC [+] {3}

05:28

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00241999 = 0.121 BTC [+]

05:29

bitcoinpete that oleganza's blog is theoretically nice

05:29

but in practice having locked bitcoins in 2-of-2 sig scheme would hurt liquidity

05:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249996 = 0.145 BTC [+]

05:31

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.071 = 2.201 BTC [-]

05:31

such as, traders can claim "no i dispute this trade, wont sign" when market moves unfavorably

05:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07002044 = 0.7002 BTC [-] {2}

05:33

and there's where comaprison with NYSE falls short, NYSE can get to court (in worst case) to force misbehaving traders in the line

05:35

oh i overlooked the tweet

05:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22310 @ 0.0009382 = 20.9312 BTC [+] {2}

05:38

lol whole lot of butthurt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3668730#msg3668730

05:44

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [-]

05:44

poor guy should just refund him

05:44

haha

05:47

what if u bet on a bet you made but it doesn't get approved

05:47

do you guys your coins back?

05:47

get*

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it'll be refunded

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neat

05:55

that argument has been going on forever, a good example of the failure of personal responsibility

05:55

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.0022 = 0.33 BTC [-] {6}

05:56

this is the kind of people that nanny states produce

05:57

states run by fscking insurance adjustors who have politicians in their pockets

06:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07000001 = 0.21 BTC [-]

06:02

The asshattery with this forum is strong!

06:02

never really read bitcointalk, learned from bloggers and trusted articles or reading / asking questions on irc.

06:03

MisterE, most public forums are about the same

06:03

but kakobrekla does come down on em like a ton of bricks lol

06:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.048184 = 0.1446 BTC [+]

06:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23813 @ 0.00093644 = 22.2994 BTC [-]

06:17

lots of blood on the floor over on BTCe lol

06:19

coins nice and cheap

06:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05310102 = 0.1593 BTC [-]

06:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5951 BTC [-]

06:22

davout

;;later tell benkay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBR4cn2flRU much atmosphere such dark wow

06:22

The operation succeeded.

06:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00093702 = 9.5576 BTC [+]

06:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @ 0.00093702 = 14.6943 BTC [+]

06:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00093943 = 12.8232 BTC [+] {2}

06:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00094136 = 20.7099 BTC [+]

06:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05310102 = 0.2655 BTC [-]

06:45

blackwhite

morning

06:53

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00229 = 1.145 BTC [-]

06:55

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00229478 = 0.1056 BTC [+] {3}

07:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19528 @ 0.00093702 = 18.2981 BTC [-]

07:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04636667 = 0.5564 BTC [-] {5}

07:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.05310102 = 0.4779 BTC [-]

07:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 216 @ 0.00239999 = 0.5184 BTC [+] {2}

07:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.05310102 = 0.7434 BTC [-]

07:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 78 @ 0.05310102 = 4.1419 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

07:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00093648 = 20.3684 BTC [-] {2}

07:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00093952 = 16.0658 BTC [+]

07:55

;;later tell bitcoinpete what's that about ?

07:55

The operation succeeded.

07:55

VanCleef yes you do get it back.

07:55

cool thanks

07:57

bocobit i read a study that 80% of studies are pure bullshit.

08:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00093952 = 7.892 BTC [+]

08:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00241797 = 0.4183 BTC [+] {3}

08:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5027 @ 0.00093581 = 4.7043 BTC [-]

08:16

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5952 = 1.1904 BTC [+]

08:17

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.00241797 = 0.544 BTC [-] {2}

08:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5951 = 1.1902 BTC [-]

08:18

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595001 BTC [-]

08:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00241797 = 0.1886 BTC [-]

08:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 480 @ 0.00241797 = 1.1606 BTC [-] {2}

08:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00241798 = 0.1064 BTC [+]

08:36

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0024178 = 0.1934 BTC [-]

08:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00093213 = 8.529 BTC [-]

08:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11723 @ 0.00093213 = 10.9274 BTC [-]

08:47

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00241799 = 0.1451 BTC [-]

08:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00242342 = 0.143 BTC [+] {4}

08:53

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00644423 = 0.6122 BTC [+] {6}

08:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00093283 = 18.0036 BTC [+] {2}

08:55

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00243954 = 0.6928 BTC [+] {2}

08:56

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 451 @ 0.00244016 = 1.1005 BTC [+] {3}

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09:14

;;eauth artifexd

09:14

Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A

09:14

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:fe0d9a7006ac40048c49ae0e278f7f52c229fdb8b8b55499e7264c31

09:14

You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A

09:14

;;rate bitcoinpete 1 Did exactly what he said he would do without delay

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.

09:15

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8479 @ 0.00011406 = 0.9671 BTC [-] {5}

09:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00243 = 0.1069 BTC [-]

09:20

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/files/2014/03/yPov2-6edb31ce078c1af783908af751887467.gif

09:21

ThickAsThieves Have you heard from Danny lately? Is he ok?

09:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00093554 = 4.7713 BTC [+]

09:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05537999 = 0.1661 BTC [+] {2}

09:31

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537527.0

09:31

Looking for investment of ~2500 BTC for music festival, return = ~150,000 BTC

09:31

haven't seen a scam like that before

09:34

"In 1.5 months of marketing we grew our Facebook page to 9,500 likes with an average unboosted reach of 2,300 people per post"

09:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20772 @ 0.00093751 = 19.474 BTC [+] {4}

09:37

mircea_popescu: hi

09:38

3:53:57 AM mircea_popescu CheckDavid what start-ups specifically. <- you mean to ask which startup specifically I was considering fundraising for?

09:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07287649 = 0.2915 BTC [+]

09:49

CheckDavid yeah but meanwhile my q was answered reading the log.

09:50

listen, the larger part of raising funds is the trust you command.

09:50

http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ < see that thing

09:50

La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07287659 = 0.2915 BTC [+]

09:54

mircea_popescu: yes correct. But then one also needs a framework/platform to market my trust

09:54

If that made sense

09:54

that'd be the wot, this channel and so forth.

09:55

I see. But also a model on what to give in return for funding

09:55

Be it equity or something else

09:56

it'd be equity.

09:56

this is a long solved problem, really.

09:56

you don't necessarily need a platform for that, unless you wanted your investors to be able to exchange quickly

09:56

Someone made me consist ways to fund without equity dilution

09:56

*consider

09:57

Crowd funding is one way people have used to fund without equity distribution

09:59

do you have a product capable of attracting that kind of funding?

09:59

that's in no way related to funding.

09:59

there's business and then there's nonsense. i'm sure some kids somewhere are playing with money, but that has no bearing on business.

09:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0464 = 0.232 BTC [-]

10:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3987 @ 0.00093637 = 3.7333 BTC [-]

10:01

I see. So your take is that equity must be allocated to the investors right?

10:01

yes.

10:01

Duffer1: no. Not yet at least

10:01

Crossword puzzles in a local Venezuelan newspaper are calling readers to violent protests with conspiratorial messages, the countrys information minister said today.

10:01

you can either take investment, which is a distribution of equity no matter how you disgusie it, from bfl-style to any other style,

10:01

or else you can take a loan, which is a loan.

10:01

that's it.

10:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6851 @ 0.00093637 = 6.4151 BTC [-]

10:02

Can this loan depend on the business performance alone?

10:03

Or would it have to be a personal loan in some way as well?

10:06

no. a loan has no relation to the business performance, a loan is predicated on the credibility of the underwriter.

10:06

equity is related to the business performance.

10:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+]

10:09

I see.

10:10

You are a very traditional business guy.

10:10

You are the Warren Buffett of btc lol

10:11

you know, gravity didn't change direction since it was invented.

10:12

even if female dress and hairdo changed significnatly, and quite cyclically.

10:12

some things never change.

10:12

her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears.

10:13

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001179 = 0.1179 BTC [+] {2}

10:13

Do you intend to say one should always short women?

10:13

I very much appreciate the stock tip kind sir

10:14

Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1761369/plain/)

10:14

!b 6

10:15

lessons learned: SATA is shit, NCQ is shit, XFS is shit, GPU fans are shit

10:15

…but I should finally be back

10:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00093573 = 24.984 BTC [-] {2}

10:17

wb!

10:17

mircea_popescu: can u give me a car pliz? And a 3d printer tnx

10:17

just print your car

10:17

Haha

10:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4390 @ 0.0009381 = 4.1183 BTC [+]

10:22

mircea_popescu benkay and artifexd were generous enough to lend me a few satoshis a week ago, which i duly repaid with interest today so as to learn that variety speak :D

10:22

artifexd ty!

10:23

np

10:23

artifexd noob question: do i rate you as well?

10:24

That is up to you.

10:24

you can rate anyone for anything

10:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00093963 = 15.5039 BTC [+]

10:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00242 = 0.2178 BTC [-]

10:31

http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/pp2.pdf

10:32

Chamath is spot on here: "We’ve got to flush out all the has-beens and also-rans. There’s a bunch of amateur hour bullshit in the bitcoin ecosystem.”

10:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07287999 = 0.6559 BTC [+] {3}

10:36

hi QTs

10:36

http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/

10:36

The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

10:37

bitcoinpete whats not clear is who chamath is and why does he get to say this.

10:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.595002 = 1.19 BTC [-]

10:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.00576817 = 2.5899 BTC [-] {6}

10:37

CheckDavid: have you considered enrolling in an intro accounting course? i think it would benefit you

10:38

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.595005 = 2.975 BTC [+]

10:38

mircea_popescu: good timing, i just finished brewing coffee

10:38

hehe yw.

10:39

the problem with ukraine

10:39

is that its not a real country

10:39

i do not understand why anyone cares

10:39

mircea_popescu he's one of the brighter valleyers https://twitter.com/chamath not that this gives him credibility

10:39

because youre a shit reader

10:39

do you know what a warm water port is?

10:40

bitcoinpete talking about "bunch of amateur hour buyllshit in the bitcoin """ecosystem"""" in a pdf file ?

10:40

surely you see the humor.

10:40

Mats_cd03 that explains why the russians care, which was quite clear.

10:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.0009381 = 5.5817 BTC [-]

10:40

course we know why exactly the us cares too, at that level.

10:40

the belonged to russians

10:40

in the first place

10:40

so did alaska.

10:40

only nominally

10:40

just like 1/2 belong to poland

10:41

wtf do you mean nominally

10:41

mircea_popescu i sequenced those poorly, first was a document by taleb & co., second was a random quote

10:41

go pick up a fuckign history book

10:41

oh. i wish taleb embraced sanity ;/

10:41

live in a box die in a box

10:41

bitcoinpete anyway, if you know the chap, perhaps drop him a link. as usual, the clearing of bs starts with teh self.

10:42

Dimsler_ why are you so aggro anyway

10:42

because its the same bs on the news like always

10:42

the american world police

10:42

making a big deal about ukraine

10:43

mircea_popescu i only know him by reputation, such as it is. yes, some vetting is in order

10:43

crimea was an autonomous republic, not a sovereign territory with its own government

10:43

shutup with that nonsense

10:43

its the functional equivalent of macao, singapore, taiwan, hong kong, or scotland deciding, lets organize militias and be rowdy

10:43

using your bs coin terms sovereignity

10:43

yeah right

10:43

lol

10:43

"republic"

10:44

>@teddy @Xapo we've entrusted them with a shit-ton of BTC...so have other big institutional funds...its a good sign.

10:44

yeah.

10:44

sovereignty as its used in international law, yes

10:44

Mats_cd03 wasn't it a khanate originally ? that's EXACTLY what they did.

10:44

kakobrekla who this ?

10:44

and they've been properly slapped down

10:44

because poor people with firearms always ends up well

10:44

Mats_cd03 on a long enough timeline everyone's getting slapped down properly.

10:45

mircea_popescu / bitcoinpete http://twitter.com/chamath/status/445368482306064384

10:45

ukraine should be hacked up

10:45

into pieces

10:45

like the russians suggested

10:45

plain and simple

10:45

half that territory was polish

10:46

the kosack was a fucking nomad

10:46

he didn't care

10:46

kakobrekla mircea_popescu oof. dunce cappery

10:46

kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584

10:47

irllol

10:47

heh

10:47

that's good shit

10:47

mircea_popescu: i think the latest post would be better with a link for the tide reference, e.g. http://nymag.com/news/features/tide-detergent-drugs-2013-1/

10:47

i suppose we'll see another anil dash-esque butthurt explosion followed by trying to date me

10:48

but what can you do for these people.

10:48

evicerate the proliteriate

10:48

Mats_cd03 i kinda left it unreferenced fishing for noobs tbh. i'm kinda hoping the average clueless yet opinionanted keyboard warrior may pick on it to try and "mock" me.

10:48

bring lube?

10:48

mircea_popescu maybe chamath will ask you what kind of shampoo you use

10:48

<Dimsler_> evicerate the proliteriate < epic

10:49

also, brb, gotta trample this mouse underfoot.

10:51

Mats_cd03: I did not. But yes maybe it would

10:51

Do you have any suggestion?

10:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18092 @ 0.00093963 = 16.9998 BTC [+]

10:52

Kolin Burgess, a British bitcoin investor who spent much of Tuesday protesting outside of Mt. Goxs abandoned office, in Tokyo, told a reporter for Reuters that he thought he had accumulated Bitcoins that were worth three hundred thousand dollars at the markets peak. Im very angry, he said. It looks like thats disappeared.

10:52

epic.

10:54

He can't buy a new car now

10:55

CheckDavid: i dunno, khan academy does alright, but i took accounting when i was in university - up to you to find a good resource

10:56

i did find an excellent pdf on finance earlier today for an aspiring quant

10:56

the problem with learnin accounting is that it's not an art, it's a craft. you can perhaps learn philosophy in your own time, of \your own volition. accounting however requires a reshaping of your mental process, which people never undertake willingly.

10:56

some of you might find it useful http://www.forex-warez.com/Trading%20Books/Paul%20Wilmott%20-%20FAQ%20in%20Quantitative%20Finance/Paul%20Wilmott%20-%20FAQ%20in%20Quantitative%20Finance.pdf

10:57

i hate the internet... stupid spaces

10:57

forex-warez ?! we're clearly running out of brands.

10:57

ya dude its the blackest market

10:57

/s

11:01

http://24.media.tumblr.com/545ff62b833b121337733d02590e376c/tumblr_mm48pv0iPQ1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg

11:02

teh tramborghini!

11:03

Ok. Thanks Mats_cd03

11:04

i put tramborghini doors on my escalade

11:04

more taleb, this time on options: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/OptionPricing.pdf

11:05

mircea_popescu: descending trend?

11:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04560025 = 0.1824 BTC [-]

11:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6753 @ 0.00093963 = 6.3453 BTC [+]

11:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00094228 = 13.1919 BTC [+] {2}

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12455 @ 0.00093824 = 11.6858 BTC [-] {3}

11:10

;;later tell benkay i also quite enjoyed your last 2 articles. https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449428017115181056 https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449428228780740609

11:10

The operation succeeded.

11:10

CheckDavid hm ?

11:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00093636 = 0.9832 BTC [-]

11:20

mircea_popescu: fundamental analysis revealed that pair is in a downward trend

11:21

;;later tell davout the printing to pdf you suggested was rejected > "unreadable / bad quality / truncated (4)"

11:21

The operation succeeded.

11:21

You know? The pair?

11:21

Hint: not currency pair

11:21

uh.

11:21

lol

11:21

you trying to say the girl is going down ?

11:22

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00241 = 2.169 BTC [-]

11:22

2:13:02 PM mircea_popescu her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears.

11:24

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11599/fraud-detection-world-bitcoin/

11:24

this is lulzy

11:25

http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ch-header.jpg

11:25

their ad is even better.

11:26

https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449568135234846722

11:26

Twitter / bitcoinpete: @bitcorati Fraud detection ...

11:26

because words

11:29

i think he means a different sort of fraud detection.

11:30

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00241 = 0.1205 BTC [-]

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+]

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00607498 = 0.1822 BTC [+] {2}

11:34

well shit, disk just had the CLICK OF DEATH, I think I lost a wallet

11:35

apparently, if you mostly follow chicks on twitter your timeline is full of women.

11:37

mircea_popescu mostly, yes, you're right.

11:37

banking security: bank sends plain text passwords in email. says it's safe because to log in you also need to know an email address. *that* email address, yes.

11:37

punkman: if youre unlucky you'll spend $200-500 to recover it

11:38

Mats_cd03: it was a doge wallet, not sure I care

11:38

lol

11:38

(inb4 WHY U NO BACKUPS)

11:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6889 @ 0.00093695 = 6.4546 BTC [+]

11:39

!t h neobee

11:39

[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00155000 / 0.00206041 / 0.00276488 (51611 shares, 106.33997891 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00266469 / 0.00415500 (136878 shares, 364.73771220 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00380173 / 0.00600000 (556467 shares, 2115.53536147 BTC)

11:41

bounce ayup.

11:42

omg doge deflation

11:42

!t h rent

11:42

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00570296 / 0.00649990 (1927 shares, 10.98959692 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00555269 / 0.00649990 (4050 shares, 22.48839803 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556877 / 0.00900001 (48203 shares, 268.43165089 BTC)

11:43

somebody needs to write a banking front-end that actually makes sense. features like ability to feed it your gpg key. I'd write it except I have no contacts with banks so they'll never buy such off of me. (what give software away? to *banks*?)

11:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00574951 = 0.5807 BTC [-] {6}

11:44

bounce: need a proper backend first

11:44

bounce it's a moot point. banks aren't able to buy it anyway, unless the govt says do it.

11:45

much better to just make mpex run the current version of "banks" out of business completely,

11:45

then it'll be a moot point.

11:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+]

11:45

is this the new -otc where the mindless chatter happens

11:46

http://iang.org/papers/triple_entry.html

11:46

Triple Entry Accounting

11:46

that's a highlevel observation type question

11:46

rithm hopefully not.

11:46

ijs

11:46

i see a lot of channels but only some of them light up

11:46

now that's a great link punkman

11:46

relevant to "proper backend"

11:47

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/#comment-98746

11:47

i was actually looking for it

11:48

also http://iang.org/ssl/h3_there_is_only_one_mode_and_it_is_secure.html

11:49

"It should take an Act of God to start up in anything but the best possible security you can manage. A Presidential Order doesn't cut it. "

11:50

asciilifeform: the 556 will prevail, in answer to your question.

11:51

Mats_cd03: history suggests that the 'lead standard' mode of a given country is strictly connected to what can be pilfered from military supplies, when the men guarding them turn free agent. so you're almost certainly correct.

11:51

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00240999 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2}

11:51

unless mexico makes the difference.

11:53

asciilifeform responded.

11:53

geez, those furry beasts in the water on trilema are so cute i'm going to puke.

11:53

i was mostly thinking that the round is superior, is all. the weapons and rounds themselves are lighter than their counterparts

11:53

walmart has sued visa

11:53

this should beinteresting

11:54

nah, lawyers will get paid and an agreement will be made.

11:54

mike_c >D

11:54

lately i find lawsuits to be some sort of method for absconding or hiding sums of monies

11:54

a lawsuit can be a further laundry

11:54

rithm you don't say.

11:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07288477 = 0.4373 BTC [+] {2}

11:54

wise beyond my years, i know

11:55

in my juvenile state i always assumed a lawsuit was a negative event

11:55

but i now i just see the spin cycle

11:55

Mats_cd03: 'lead standard' (currency of a country in civil war) is rarely about military/technological superiority, except in degenerate case (e.g. british 'maxim' vs. zulu spear)

11:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07299999 = 0.438 BTC [+] {2}

11:57

wasn't disagreeing with you, just reflecting on qualitative differences

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.43923397 BTC to 4`857 shares, 50221 satoshi per share

12:00

interestingly, china is not well armed compared to the rest of the world

12:01

Mats_cd03: the well-armed are the folks with the industrial capacity. and that would be who - if not china ?

12:02

asciilifeform and again.

12:02

granted their arms might still be buried in the ground, as ore, at the moment

12:02

i see your point, although im thinking of privately owned small firearms

12:03

armed as what?

12:03

they certainly do have a habit of burying them and then digging them up for use against invaders every few hundred years

12:03

China arms most of the middle east with weapons

12:03

i would guess (by no means an expert guess, but that of armchair general) that the 'most barrels per man' is somewhere in the arab world

12:03

i imagine it's somewhere in the ex-russian central asia.

12:03

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf

12:03

from mongolia to some stan

12:03

china has lots of cannon fodder. add some cheap mass-produced tat, and any opponent still has a bit of a problem.

12:04

bounce actually, that was the 70s. today, china leads the us in the space race.

12:04

it is remarkable to me that the greatest danger to chinese public safety

12:04

are people armed with kitchen knives and motorcycles

12:04

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1030 @ 0.00222226 = 2.2889 BTC [-] {14}

12:04

and molotov cocktails

12:05

if the country wasnt shitty in other ways id love to live there, social stability and chinese women sounds great

12:05

if chinese women weren't ugly ;/

12:05

and all gold diggers

12:05

All the guys I know in china hate the women there

12:05

a woman can be trained.

12:06

that they do. not like the US couldn't see it coming, or anything. just that china can make do with very little. on top of that, they do have what looks like decent kit these days.

12:06

you guys must be great in social settings

12:07

I certainly am!

12:08

were you being sarcastic ? my absent social skills prevent me from discerning sarcasm online.

12:08

according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country the US has the most guns per person

12:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00093964 = 9.7723 BTC [+]

12:08

And it's growing a little every day

12:09

Jan and Feb firearm sales were astronomical

12:09

pLambert: 'barrels per man' includes 'man' and not merely 'barrels'

12:09

cannon cannot fight by itself

12:09

too bad dual wielding isn't what the gamer kids believe it is

12:09

lol

12:09

gamer kids have no hope

12:09

though there's the ROTM

12:10

I don't get it, whats the diff between barrels-per-man and guns-per-capita?

12:10

there's a lot more to that man angle than anyone readily admits. take that recent treysomething or the other case.

12:10

the monkey got shot, in the end, it's true

12:10

double barreled shotguns count as two!

12:10

pLambert: picture one of those palestinian hospital-cum-armoury places

12:10

only after beating the shit out of the eventual shooter for half an hour.

12:10

that won't wash irl.

12:10

hundreds of wounded, plus women and children 'shields', enough artillery to equip a division

12:11

but is there a division there?

12:11

not division strength :D

12:11

people who shoot you the moment you've looked the wrong way are quite different from people who scuffle with you over their own gun which then sorta-accidentally discharges.

12:12

a fixation on hardware is one of the 'professional diseases' of technological civilization

12:12

i just don't like the people that complain about the legal constructs of the state for self defense and want to make it illegal to defend yourself

12:12

;;google yi yi zhi yi

12:12

Continuosly in Mandarin Chinese - Yi Zhi - Mandarin Language: <http://mandarin.about.com/od/dailymandarin/a/yizhi.htm>; Zhi Yi Ong | University of Pennsylvania Department of Psychology: <http://psychology.sas.upenn.edu/node/22406>; Yi-Zhi Huang - Department of Mathematics: <http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~yzhuang/>

12:13

retarded.

12:13

i believe owning a weapon is a privilege rather than a right

12:13

;;google "yi yi zhi yi"

12:13

Continuosly in Mandarin Chinese - Yi Zhi - Mandarin Language: <http://mandarin.about.com/od/dailymandarin/a/yizhi.htm>; Zhi Yi Ong | University of Pennsylvania Department of Psychology: <http://psychology.sas.upenn.edu/node/22406>; Yi-Zhi Huang - Department of Mathematics: <http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~yzhuang/>

12:13

ok no dice.

12:13

And I don't

12:13

owning a weapon is an ability.

12:13

I feel that the ability to adequately defend yourself and your family isn't just a right, it's required

12:13

i believe should be compelled to prove competency with it as well as commit to securing the weapon

12:13

privileges and rights don't enter into it.

12:13

^ you

12:13

well, there's more to it than that. in the USoA there's also a strong cultural current that requires guns. and, relatedly, something to fight, so they'll keep on looking for exactly that. in that sense two wars at the same time is them 'merkins having a cultural field day.

12:13

the gun was there before there were privileges, rights or beliefs

12:14

it will hopefully survive all that crud.

12:14

deadliest known weapon, long before gunpowder, is: set of balls

12:14

The technological prerequisite to production of a firearm is quite low

12:14

in practical terms securing the weapon means two different locks for the bolt carrier group and the upper receiver

12:15

which prevents access in time of emergency or delays a theif by a whole minute or two

12:15

if that was imposed, people dying of negligent discharges would drop 90%

12:15

Negligent discharges are quite low overall and are decreasing by pretty large amounts in the US

12:15

if it takes you a minute to remove two locks and assemble the weapon you deserve to die to a home invasion

12:15

Mats_cd03 two different locks ?

12:15

what are you making there, a hope chest ?

12:15

You think most people can do that when their door is being busted down?

12:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00093549 = 13.0501 BTC [-] {4}

12:16

my understanding is that such locks are usually meant against the owner's sons rather than enemies

12:16

Why not require the same of police officers too? Since they have the same, or more negligent discharges than civilians

12:16

Mats_cd03 by the same argument, people who die by negligent discharge deserve to die anwyay /

12:16

youre more likely to die to a negligent discharge than to a home invasion

12:16

the20year2: probably not a percentage basis?

12:16

thats the reasoning, anyway

12:16

And you're more likely to be in a car accident 100 times over than an accidental firearm discharge

12:17

asciilifeform i seriously don't see who'd like to keep that particular son.

12:17

the best way to raise boys is to regularly give them enough rope to hang themselves and then enforce the hanging once they started it.

12:17

well, it's a bit of a problem if that son first shoots half a magazine worth of neighbours

12:17

the20year2: again.. seems misleading. is that just for gun owners?

12:17

perhaps no one, but others want to keep theirs - and their domestic animals, window glass, etc.

12:17

Among all accidental firearm discharges in the US , there were 600 deaths last year

12:18

Compared to 3,500 drowning deaths, 750 people beat to death with hands and feet, 40,000 alcohol related deaths and 500,000 tobacco related deaths

12:18

yes, but everybody has hands and feet. not everybody has guns.

12:18

death statistics are a tiresome subject. no one dies of statistics.

12:18

how do you propose solving social problems with statistics

12:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28391 @ 0.00093973 = 26.6799 BTC [+]

12:19

Well, i could base everything on how I "Feel", but i don't know that my feelings would have any impact on others

12:19

no such thing as social problems

12:19

http://i.imgur.com/L6MvbiG.jpg

12:19

i wonder how many deaths are "related" to statistics

12:20

in the sense they are "related" to tobacco

12:20

95%

12:20

i can think of one example

12:20

let's see... if some guy needs an operation and the insurance won't clear it because they judge he's too old/poor/etc, and he dies

12:21

this would be a statistics related death neh ?

12:21

when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks

12:21

lol

12:21

;;gpg eauth benkay

12:21

Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7

12:21

Didn't all those people die during holomodor due to USSR's amazing statistics & record keeping?

12:21

AMAZING COMPANY!

12:21

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:983637eb42b48a2be08fe9d0aa52ad0f7cb6412de4764cff08499c25

12:21

wait, hiv testing is banned in the us?!

12:21

12:21

You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7

12:21

the20year2 it definitely could be argued.

12:21

;;rate bitcoinpete 1 does what he says he will.

12:21

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.

12:22

twas holodomor too

12:22

mircea_popescu: not banned as such. but the 'holy grail' that could have eradicated the virus, a pocket-sized instant electronic gizmo, sat in a glass case at one of my old employers' facility

12:22

and is not to be found at pharmacy.

12:22

Although you could also blame it on lynshenkoism (sp) which kind of is a statistical thing there too

12:22

dja know how miciurin died ?

12:22

'fell from a strawberry tree' ?

12:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.04541482 = 1.5441 BTC [-] {6}

12:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00094255 = 43.263 BTC [+] {5}

12:23

aye.

12:23

like a jpm accountant.

12:23

asciilifeform http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerupdates/ucm310545.htm ?

12:24

mircea_popescu: not this one. a re-usable, electronic gizmo that took a few min.

12:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055055 = 0.1101 BTC [-] {2}

12:24

could've been used by civilians prior to putting on condom, etc.

12:24

this seems to work the same way neh ?

12:24

i know pron companies now use something on the sets.

12:24

after that major scare a few years back

12:24

the difference is important (expensive, disposable, slow) vs. reusable (cheap), compact, fast.

12:25

who reuses a hiv test ?!

12:25

seems a bad idea.

12:25

i believe the gizmo in question used a 'microarray'

12:25

"i got hiv from sharing the hiv tester with a hiv sufferer"

12:25

(SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)

12:25

spit, wash.

12:25

repeat.

12:26

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07199 = 0.36 BTC [-]

12:26

o

12:26

incidentally, the same tech could easily test the composition of a drug (pharmacy or back alley, user's choice)

12:26

yeah

12:26

these things actually work.

12:28

in usa (and colonies) - a fellow who sells actual solutions to 'social problem' crapola is liable to 'begin to have problems.'

12:29

mircea_popescu: re gpgauth.org, that doesn't store private keys though.

12:29

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537545.msg5950668#msg5950668

12:29

New regulated UK exchange opening

12:29

nefario trying the kenna trick.

12:29

benkay no i understand that. but if you use it, you have to still secure your site,

12:29

and then hope that both gpgauth and your link to it is also secure.

12:30

letmepawnmystolencraponyou.com

12:30

or something like that

12:30

Duffer1: Your link looked link Dank discovered socks

12:30

but if you use gpgauth and they get hacked, you have an excuse. so it's ok. like when your site goes down because aws goes down, built in excuse. </sarcasm>

12:31

o i thought the excuse was =========

12:31

"hashes match on my device!"

12:32

mike_c heh i see.

12:32

but seriously now, i fail to see what it offers. i mean i suppose one could loot their github for code, and the site could be just a demo.

12:33

benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135834.msg5947874#msg5947874

12:33

the pr salute you.

12:34

in other news,

12:34

i don't see my name there...

12:34

some salute.

12:34

'zorro' (aes-based cipher) is broken. sorry, pdf: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/zorro-break.pdf

12:35

benkay a half mast salute ? :D

12:35

asciilifeform hjaha cool.

12:35

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449585590187880448

12:35

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: 'zorro' (aes-based cipher) ...

12:35

there, i've now robbed peter to pay paul.

12:35

can i be government yet ?

12:36

;;gettrust eskimobob

12:36

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user eskimobob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=eskimobob | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eskimobob | Rated since: Sat Jun 4 12:35:57 2011

12:36

Bro do u even r8

12:36

true or false: if i type a password into my shell, and then call 'history -c', i am ok?

12:37

Hdd or ssd?

12:37

mike_c not ok.

12:37

assume i am not worried about someone raw-reading my hdd. are there other attack vectors?

12:37

Auth logs often will keep a history of commands

12:37

yes. the shell only flushes the session at times.

12:37

so your -c may or may not hit what you want

12:38

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+]

12:38

a good approach is to search everywhere for another string in the history file, then wipe your password from everywhere you found keeps a copy.

12:38

ok, thanks.

12:38

and this to be done after all processes involved ended.

12:39

Grep -iR "yourpass" /

12:39

Go have a coffee

12:39

the 'zorro' thing isn't a mega-news, on account of it being a kind of 'castrated' aes variant

12:39

Lol

12:39

unless you conveniently search ram etc.

12:39

but still interesting that people bother.

12:40

all the while "yourpass" sits in the process list for all to see

12:43

if you like yourpass you can keep yourpass.

12:43

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/97749/World/International/Putin-says-Crimea-showed-new-capacities-of-Russian.aspx

12:43

Putin says Crimea showed 'new capacities' of Russian army - International - World - Ahram Online

12:44

10mF

12:44

lol!

12:46

because we're madmen, let's actually calculate this.

12:46

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/yanukovych_calls_for_referendums_across_ukraine

12:46

Ukraine: Crimea Bases Under Russian Control |

12:46

http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk/blog/capacitance-of-a-human-body/

12:47

Extreme Electronics | Capacitance of a human body

12:47

let's take the 100pF value, conservatively.

12:47

;;google russian army strength 2014

12:47

Global Firepower - 2014 World Military Strength Ranking: <http://www.globalfirepower.com/>; Russia Military Strength - Global Firepower: <http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=russia>; 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine>

12:47

*

mircea_popescu prepares to fall over laughing.

12:48

this apparently is how options are working now: http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/ http://bitbet.us/bet/799/bitcoin-price-above-800-before-july/

12:49

lol srsly.

12:49

if we take the 69 million available men figure,

12:49

neat

12:49

;;calc (200e-12 * 69000000) / (1e-3)

12:49

Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

12:49

whatever, ~13.8 millifarad.

12:49

so, mp is quite close.

12:50

mp wins 'fermi' prize.

12:50

*

asciilifeform bows.

12:51

http://www.globalfirepower.com/active-reserve-military-manpower.asp

12:52

homework: calculate 'if the chinese jumped.'

12:52

(actual physics puzzle from my childhood)

12:52

Reserves are calculated differently in each country

12:54

200pf

12:54

damn, not awake

12:54

that's more than double 100pf , right?

12:54

given value is for 200.

12:55

incidentally, capacitance of the body is not mere trivia, but modern mobile gizmotry lives and dies by it (touch panel.)

12:55

(try using a capacitative panel with your fingernail)

12:57

http://www.navytimes.com/article/20140328/NEWS/303280014/Navy-says-farewell-fire-damaged-sub-Miami

12:57

Navy says farewell to fire-damaged sub Miami | Navy Times | navytimes.com

12:57

do they put caps in styluses?

12:57

in the russian wankasphere, at the time, there were countless wags suggesting nominating the drunk for 'order of lenin'

12:57

capacitor not necessary for capacitance

12:58

virtually anything is a capacitor, depending on your circumstances.

12:58

pedant

12:58

just some are larger than others.

12:58

some are also engineered and subsequently manufactured.

12:58

vs grown in wombs

12:58

at this point, even cable monkeys, afaik, know this - because at high frequencies, a wire is a capacitor

12:58

a kink in the cable - an inductor.

12:59

the 'lumped element model' of electronics was ok for the first half of 20th c.

12:59

now, not so much.

12:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 49.34183188 BTC to 80`674 shares, 61162 satoshi per share

12:59

kinks can even induce reflections if your application's sensitive to 'em.

13:00

once had to design a nightmare of a cable harness for wafer probing.

13:00

mismatched impedence -> also reflections. undergrad physics.

13:00

i love you guys

13:00

try it at home!

13:00

even the lowliest asian oscilloscope comes with built-in test waveform generator

13:00

minimum bend radii, maximum cable lengths, nobody ever wanted to cram that many probes that close together before, handed the problem to resident kid.

13:01

attach to a cable made with two segments of mismatched impedence

13:01

the other end, to a probe.

13:01

asciilifeform: what's a good chinese brand for scopes?

13:01

then watch the echos.

13:01

asciilifeform dude i think i actually can prove there won't be no "lead standard".

13:01

punkman: mine's a recent 'rigol' (has documented interface, linux friendly)

13:01

other people - use others

13:01

for HF work, a 1978 'hewlett packard'

13:02

wake up diametric, he'll describe his collection.

13:02

collection of what?

13:02

instruments

13:02

and their purposes

13:03

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2014/03/27/college-offers-a-course-miley-cyrus-but-not-twerking/6953809/

13:03

College offers a course on Miley Cyrus, but not twerking

13:04

;;google Rigol DS1102D

13:04

DS1102D 100 MHz Mixed Signal Oscilloscope | Rigol - Beyond ...: <http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000d/ds1102d/>; Amazon.com: Rigol DS1102D 100MHz Mixed Signal Oscilloscope ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Rigol-DS1102D-Oscilloscope-channels-connectivity/dp/B003MYUFKQ>; Rigol DS1102D Digital Oscilloscope 100MHz with Logic Analyzer ...: (1 more message)

13:04

reasonably cheap, all-purpose gizmo

13:04

oh, I have a collection but ultimately I don't do enough electronics work to give that great of opinions on it.

13:04

if a little of a 'trabambourghini'.

13:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00093923 = 4.7431 BTC [-]

13:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05460057 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {2}

13:04

;;google owon sds7102

13:04

Amazon.com: Owon SDS7102 Deep Memory Digital Storage ...: <http://www.amazon.com/SDS7102-Digital-Oscilloscope-2-channel-interface/dp/B006G54K3G>; REVIEW - Owon SDS7102 - A look at the SDS series from Owon - Page ...: <http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/review-of-owon-sds7102/>; OWON SDS7102 Complete Review - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqcEi6ru4ZM>

13:05

thats the one I have, it works well for my uses.

13:05

i think most people (who have any dealings with such matters, at any rate) own at least 2 scopes - a chinese trambo, and a vintage american analogue unit.

13:05

"vintage"? how old is vintage?

13:05

yeah I have a 79 (i think?) tektronics of some sort I haven't used very much

13:06

1970s usually

13:06

those are a joy

13:06

similar machines are still made. $2-3K+

13:06

i had to have someone who grew up with them teach me how to use them though.

13:06

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299999 = 0.511 BTC [+] {2}

13:06

manuals having long since disappeared from the shop.

13:06

using a scope isn't rocket surgery

13:07

and you can usually find the manual on the net.

13:07

<< lowly mechanical

13:07

it's merely a voltmeter with a time axis.

13:07

plus also cameraderie and mentorship.

13:08

the first oscilloscope wasn't even electronic in the usual sense (mirror on a rope, deflected by electrostatic charges, candle, projects on wall)

13:08

most of what we think of as 'high tech' was created by people who never lived to see a plastic bag.

13:08

think of it that way.

13:09

*

asciilifeform is mostly an uneducated brute, who learned of things by playing with them, and libraries.

13:09

lucky them, living in such a slow time and communing with such giants.

13:09

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]

13:10

if i had a major need for one i could have picked up a few by now

13:10

instruments with acceptable, if not great, quality, are more available today than ever.

13:11

asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, diametric and chipfolk at large: on a scale of zero to crackpot: http://ootbcomp.com/

13:11

navhul-lacsup << urbit syllablegen? !

13:11

asciilifeform: looks like it, neh?

13:11

ahoy the sub

13:11

asciilifeform: yeah, I lurk there

13:12

benkay i don't know enough about cpus to be useful there.

13:12

somebody linked to 'mill' in my comment peanutgallery once

13:12

navhul-lacsup wait, so is this actually an urbit powered irc bouncer ?!

13:12

wait wait wait nowai, you don't lose connection nearly frequently enough.

13:12

oh sweet, you can hack these Rigols http://hackaday.com/2013/07/02/unlocking-a-rigol-scope-once-again/

13:12

these folks are crackpots, quite possibly inspired by my ravings re: dataflow archs. so i am to blame.

13:13

they've no hardware.

13:13

punkman: maybe, i vaguely remember reading after that came out the newer shipped ones don't work

13:13

punkman: i could be wrong

13:13

i like a lot of technical goals of the project, but I do worry that it is too radical to take off

13:13

insufficiently-horsed is more like it.

13:14

maybe a clone written for the JVM would be more popular/successful

13:14

navhul-lacsup: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390

13:14

so ascii is to blame huh ?

13:14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1qd3bwv3N4

13:14

"Behold the Lord High Executioner" - YouTube

13:15

I'm mostly interested in upgrading internet architecture with referential transparency, no bitrot, and secure identity baked in

13:15

the stuff under that layer is beyond me, and seems to add to the risk of the project

13:15

but Curtis wouldn't be excited enough to do it without reinventing the world from scratch

13:16

navhul-lacsup: 'you can't mold a bullet from shit' (rus. saying)

13:16

curtis found a dog turd, dried for years, and decided that it is hard enough to whittle bullet from

13:16

I'll read your post when I am off paid time

13:17

(I actually rss subscribe to your blog)

13:17

my recommendation is - don't - it will probably make you unhappy

13:18

(tldr version - curtis re-invented: nothing. 'old wine in new bottle')

13:24

asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/#comment-98750

13:24

navhul-lacsup well nice toi have you anyways.

13:27

[MPEX] [S.BBET] 3350 @ 0.00050002 = 1.6751 BTC [-] {2}

13:27

if only they'd print serial numbers on all those tide bottles...

13:27

rithm they do.

13:28

all fmcg carries lot and serial identification.

13:28

are you sure? when did that start?

13:28

the 80s ?

13:28

i'll have to do more grocery shopping to confirm this theroy

13:28

look around the seams, usually where the typographical allignment marks are.

13:29

i personally operate mostly in the bezzle space obv

13:29

i think most everyone here does.

13:29

i know i do.

13:29

well... or used to, i guess bitcoin changes that.

13:29

i'm very intriqgued by the tideUSD market though

13:30

-q

13:30

tideusd?

13:30

mmmhmmmm

13:30

Tide? The soap?

13:31

rithm if us ngos were actually useful rather than a cozy retreat for useless white cunts, we'd have some research data available as to actual economic expenditure of ghetto household

13:31

i suspect on average about 1/3 of available resources goes to chemicals.

13:31

the20year2 yea

13:31

i know soap theft is pretty big

13:32

"chemicals" including lots of nominally nutritive materials

13:32

mircea_popescu i have supporting data based on my surroundings that confirm your hypothesis

13:32

you mean ghetto food too?

13:32

benkay i mostly meant psychoactives.

13:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00093712 = 4.0296 BTC [-]

13:32

Ah, drugs

13:32

rithm sure, i have a lot of anecdotal support

13:32

well alcohol and tobacco consume large portions of the blue collar paycheck

13:32

I'd love to see the data

13:32

erm tideUSD

13:33

generally you can "crash", ie, board, for free with "friends"

13:33

but look at top employers in ghetto areas

13:33

but "friendship" is borne out of sharing chems.

13:33

so in a sense, rent for the ghetto is paid in grams.

13:33

then there are the Chukchas

13:33

and their 'amanita muscaria'

13:33

ic

13:33

where the drug is - literally - shared with friends.

13:34

asciilifeform exact same practice existed in medieval romanian and prior

13:34

(excreted unchanged, piss is served)

13:34

and in medieval crimeea, scythic times.

13:34

mircea_popescu: everywhere the thing grows

13:40

grams/month living index

13:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22834 @ 0.00093663 = 21.387 BTC [-]

13:45

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/25/homeopathy-contains-medicine

13:45

Homeopathic remedies recalled for containing real medicine (Wired UK)

13:46

good thing james randi didn't eat a kilo of that one

13:46

during his demos

13:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00242896 = 0.3643 BTC [+] {4}

13:47

oh dang

13:47

i've never understood homeopathy, and i don't think most who believe in it do either

13:48

not much to understand, the20year2.

13:48

there's nothing there.

13:48

re: http://nymag.com/news/features/tide-detergent-drugs-2013-1 << every bottle of laundry crap, in every shop, where i live - has a bulky rfid alarm gizmo chained to it.

13:49

asciilifeform: there aren't zappers floating around?

13:49

the shop clerk disarms it with some electro crap built into the cash register, and snips off the alarm wire

13:49

Yeah

13:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00093751 = 36.4223 BTC [+] {3}

13:49

same with electronics in most stores

13:49

thieves have been walking with shield bags for many years.

13:49

same kind of bag used to house static-sensitive electronics, but larger.

13:49

asciilifeform: this defense ignores the store mandates that store employees not actually do anything during a theft for fear of liability.

13:50

the alarm goes off many times, every day, cries wolf

13:50

and who would chase a genuine thief? the 'minimum wage' clerk?

13:51

smile sheepishly, shrug it off, walk out

13:51

asciilifeform: that is what i'm driving at.

13:51

asciilifeform cuz you live in the sticks. they don't bother with that shit here.

13:51

one day we will probably see shops where you enter and leave through a 'man trap'

13:51

they DO however rfid the hell out of alcohol bottles

13:51

lets you in if your (radio-enabled) card has credit

13:52

lets you out if your balance - minus the prices reported by radio tags on the junk in your bags - is positive

13:52

no clerks.

13:52

;;google mantrap

13:52

Mantrap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantrap>; What is mantrap - WhatIs.com - TechTarget: <http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/mantrap-interlocking-door-controller>; Mantrap (1926) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017119/>

13:53

aka airlock

13:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIgAYh_7z2Y

13:53

Bank robber trapped in Access Control Vestibule - YouTube

13:55

mircea_popescu: most places in the US alcohol is only touchable by the clerks.

13:55

the epic http://trilema.com/2012/what-does-a-start-up-run-on/ was made by me loading my own cart.

13:55

benkay: in the cities. it is sold through a little window, like movie tickets.

13:56

benkay: Sounds like a sad place

13:56

elsewhere, it is sold like ordinary things

13:56

asciilifeform that's how they do pond shops here.

13:56

;;google chechen mafia booth

13:56

Who Knows Jack? - American Journalism Review: <http://ajrarchive.org/article.asp?id=3613>; The Judeo-Russian Mafia And The Bloodbath To Come, by Dr ...: <http://www.deliberation.info/the-judeo-russian-mafia-and-the-bloodbath-to-come-by-dr-lasha-darkmoon/>; Chechnya Leaders Claim Terrorist Who Called for Olympic Attacks ...: <http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/01/17 (1 more message)

13:57

oh it's the most hilarious in the occupied cascadian territories, BingoBoingo

13:57

we labor under a state sponsored liquor monopoly.

13:58

benkay: Here we have liquor and tobacco superstores where you can browse the aisles

13:58

go fuck yourself

13:58

i hate socialism

13:58

Walk up to the counter, walk out with a keg

13:58

places where shops get robbed beyond some critical frequency tend to sprout 'chechen'-style kiosks. picture a shipping container, perhaps with a bit of extra armour, with a small hole.

13:59

money enters, booze, smokes, etc. come out.

13:59

that was my experience in NYC, asciilifeform.

13:59

luckily, we don't have much actual in-person robbery here. just communism.

13:59

BingoBoingo is that chicago ?

14:00

mircea_popescu: St Louis.

14:00

The gas stations in less desirable areas have armor, glass and kiosks

14:00

weird shit.

14:01

The larger outfits just have people cabable of handling security handling security

14:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0706604 = 1.7665 BTC [-] {11}

14:02

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutcheck/2011/04/bodegas_obergo_lagrimas_de_obergo_rosado_randalls.php

14:03

The image midpage almost captures the scale of the place

14:04

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}

14:04

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0064999 = 0.2015 BTC [+]

14:05

http://m.aedifica.com/en/news/saq-signature-concept-honored-by-the-retail-design-institute

14:05

SAQ Signature concept honored by the Retail Design Institute

14:05

thats our fanciest booze store

14:05

better: http://m.aedifica.com/en/expertise/retail/saq-signature

14:05

5500 sq ft

14:06

it's not nearly as bad here as i make it out

14:06

the nice stores are nice, obviously.

14:07

the monopoly is a horrendous thing.

14:07

yeah it's bad

14:07

an $80 bottle of wine in florida can be $300+ by the time it gets here

14:07

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0065 = 0.13 BTC [+]

14:08

probably one of the worst examples of government monopoly

14:08

what's even more funny is that canadian beef is cheaper here than it is up there.

14:08

yeah but we like USDA beef ;)

14:08

classic "grass is greener"

14:09

St Louis also has a sort of privately run beer welfare, take the free AB brewery tour and get two beers at the end

14:09

USDA's horrendously more expensive up north.

14:09

12oz AAA tenderloin is $45+ in most places here

14:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00093964 = 9.3024 BTC [+] {2}

14:10

not from the butcher, but in any respectable restaurant

14:10

ah

14:10

i was going to say.

14:10

its around $78/kg here

14:10

for usda/aaa

14:10

from the grocery

14:10

$26 per 12oz

14:10

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.069998 = 0.49 BTC [-]

14:10

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 333 @ 0.0065 = 2.1645 BTC [+]

14:11

argentina!

14:11

wife's family owns a bunch of dairy farms

14:11

.bait

14:11

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5lfaiSyrG1qk6jw7o1_500.jpg

14:11

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.00659111 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {3}

14:12

so we get free-range grass-fed beef

14:12

sauce: http://keyj.com/and-the-hot-twitter-girl-of-the-month-is-natacha-daro-pictures/

14:12

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [+] {2}

14:13

daaang

14:14

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/24/veteran-cyclist-knew-the-dangers-all-too-well.html

14:14

Veteran cyclist killed by minivan knew the dangers all too well | The Columbus Dispatch

14:14

https://twitter.com/NatachaDaroOK

14:14

Natacha Daro (NatachaDaroOK) on Twitter

14:14

(tldr - jpm corpse)

14:14

tg2: where are you?

14:14

lmao. most excellent wine here is about 10-15 bucks.

14:14

what 80, what 300.

14:14

I thought it was sacha grey in that pic

14:14

the finest cognac in the world goes for ~55 a bottle.

14:14

AAA beef grade is USDA choice which is pretty low

14:14

:|

14:14

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0068611 = 0.4803 BTC [+]

14:15

I guess we have different taste in wine :)

14:15

possibly.

14:15

but i've yet to have a decent us wine.

14:15

i don't even mean good. decent. something i could in good conscience feed women.

14:15

i can give you a list of "to-try" if youw ant

14:15

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00242784 = 0.1554 BTC [-] {4}

14:16

you're close to napa I'm guessing

14:16

many have.

14:16

1 just have one

14:16

you can try

14:16

no, im in romania. close to recas.

14:16

opus one

14:16

then insignia

14:16

then silver oak

14:16

;)

14:16

insignia ?!

14:16

I have cases of it

14:16

its great

14:16

i thought that was a flat panel tv maker o.O

14:16

puts california on the map imo

14:17

http://www.josephphelps.com/insignia-wine/

14:17

Insignia : Joseph Phelps Vineyards

14:17

http://en.opusonewinery.com/

14:17

Opus One

14:17

;;google insignia product

14:17

Insignia Consumer Electronic Products: <http://www.insigniaproducts.com/>; Product Support | Insignia: <http://www.insigniaproducts.com/support.html>; Insignia Flat Screen Television Collection | LCD HDTVs | Insignia: <http://www.insigniaproducts.com/products/televisions.html>

14:17

haha

14:17

yes they are

14:17

but the wine has more lineage

14:17

;D

14:18

lolk

14:18

i dunno how much lineage it can have, but anyway

14:18

I have trouble trusting a brand named after something a brand is supposed to have, rather than actually having its own

14:18

it's a great wine

14:19

but it's $325 a bottle here

14:19

I found a case of opus one in a convenience store in maui

14:19

for $55 per bottle

14:20

at the back of a fridge

14:20

;;ident

14:20

Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None

14:20

was 1996

14:20

this was in ~2008

14:21

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/opus+one+napa+valley+county+north+coast+california+usa/1996

14:21

1996 Opus One, Napa Valley, USA: prices | wine-searcher

14:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00093446 = 14.5916 BTC [-] {4}

14:22

anyway, all this to say fuck government monopolies

14:23

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0068611 = 0.2058 BTC [+]

14:23

http://www.recaswine.ro/CrameleRecas/galerie.php?r=na

14:23

Cramele Recas/ Recas Winery

14:23

this'be the winery about 20 miles from here.

14:24

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 483 @ 0.00698395 = 3.3732 BTC [+] {2}

14:24

they make something like 10 mn bottles a year, most of it sold as entry and mid range wine. if you run into it tho buy it, because it's probably the best you'll ever drink at that price level.

14:24

I would go for some italian super tuscans

14:24

that should be available where you are

14:24

sassicaia

14:24

I got this box of wine here that was about 3eur/litre.

14:25

same thing is shipped to France and bottled, then sold to Americans for a huge premium

14:25

my eyes are rolling so hard right now

14:25

yah

14:25

punkman about how it works, yeah.

14:26

next time you guys are in montreal ping me we'll hit the cellar :)

14:27

do you have to heat the cellars up there ?

14:27

yes actually

14:27

lol

14:29

I have a pit cellar (under the house) and cold air tends to make it's way down there

14:29

aha

14:29

must suck

14:29

well if it freezes

14:29

you just ruined thousands of bottles

14:29

ya that's the end of it

14:29

so yes

14:29

I could use a nice cellar

14:29

but ideally, people should live in places where a properly dug cellar maintains a proper temperature with no exceptions.

14:30

there's criteria to choose where to live.

14:30

I /think/ it's actually below the frost line but I wouldn't want to test it out

14:30

I keep them at 14C

14:30

(incidentally, do you know how roman legionnaires chose where to settle down ? ie, they wanted to be able to grow wine)

14:30

well romans + wine goes pretty hand in hand

14:31

indeed.

14:32

sadly I don't know of many romanian wines

14:32

geographically they should be able to grow the same caliber of wine as itali

14:33

they actually beat france.

14:33

better soil.

14:33

its a combination of soil and sun and temperature

14:33

yeah.

14:34

craiova is about the same latitude as the two regions in italy and france that produce the "top" wines

14:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3814 @ 0.00213751 = 8.1525 BTC [-] {23}

14:34

no more tesla fires: https://medium.com/p/544f35965a0d

14:34

you need hills of the right orientation, arid seasons, mild temperature variances and the right amount of daylight (and, you know, some fugesi) to grow good wine

14:35

tl;dr: watch a tesla run over a concrete block: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*jX6zAXW-xmUgkNDhi891zQ.gif

14:35

http://www.winetaste.ro/images/vinom/1-1-0.jpg

14:35

thats a map of the major wine producing zones

14:35

http://allthingsd.com/20130820/teslas-model-s-breaks-roof-testing-machine-car-safety-record/

14:35

Tesla Model S Awarded NHTSA's Highest Safety Rating - John Paczkowski - News - AllThingsD

14:36

mike_c quite impressive.

14:36

but you know, what happens if the obstacle isn't brissant

14:36

immovable object, unstoppable force, who knows?

14:36

so they redesigned Paypal to be responsive or whatever, now I can't even get to my account page

14:36

lol

14:37

they're doing the world a service.

14:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0009341 = 11.4894 BTC [-]

14:37

plus neither I nor google knows what brissant means.

14:37

punkman there's a bug of stupid going around, they fucked up namecheap earilier.

14:37

mike_c from french brisser, which crumbles

14:37

the opposite of ductility

14:37

ah. my limited language skills at work.

14:38

that special feeling when paypal sends you an email that your account is now "restricted" and they're going to hang on to your $200k while they evaluate the situation for the next 6 months

14:38

at which point they may or may not give it back

14:38

depending on how they feel

14:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0009341 = 17.4677 BTC [-]

14:38

I just use it for small purchases here and there

14:38

mike_c: show me the same thing with a piece of steel a la what kicked off a recent Tesla fire.

14:38

^

14:38

I'm surprised they haven't been sued into the ground yet. People are overly complacent

14:38

they ran over an alternator and a tow hitch. but they were brissant.

14:38

tg2 they settle.

14:38

even gox - it amazes me

14:38

it's actually a decent way to make a buck.

14:39

"oh well guys looks like we lost 500m$" "silly us"

14:39

what, a tow hitch is brissant?

14:39

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [+]

14:39

mike_c well see, there's a reason why karate guys break one foot of brick but never try half inch of cast iron pot.

14:39

i figured those were ductile.

14:39

tow hitch: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*sHsOwbthEUip1d-CRPZcFg.gif

14:39

ah.

14:39

that concrete was likely cast for that express test

14:39

actually less brissant than i thought

14:39

well it's still

14:39

steel

14:39

wow pretty good going with the hitch

14:40

ductile != brissant

14:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgOtMQcMnH0

14:40

Easy Concrete Demolition, Rock Breaking, Excavating: How to Break Rocks, Concrete Easily with Dexpan

14:40

check that shit out

14:40

what's that item flyiong out after the puncture /

14:40

i'd like to see a tesla drive over that

14:40

bolt holding plates in, mircea_popescu

14:40

you can see the threads strip and then it wobble out

14:40

that's one motherfucking bolt

14:40

it looks like it'd barely fit a virgin ass.

14:40

its not a bolt

14:40

helluva lever arm across the width of the body

14:40

it's a pop pin

14:41

plastic pin that holds that cover on

14:41

a!

14:41

they use it in interior panels

14:41

ah

14:41

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5201 @ 0.0001179 = 0.6132 BTC [+] {2}

14:41

seems a bit inertia-y for plastic

14:41

should tumble and slow much more imho

14:41

but what do i know

14:41

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/attachments/2nd-gen-tacomas/196177d1361060205-2013-access-cab-rear-headrest-removal-help-kgrhqeoknie1mznh-0ubn-1tst59g-_35.jpg

14:41

anyway, pretty impressive armor they got on the thing

14:41

what is it, some poly something ?

14:42

could it be a metal pop pin?

14:42

it oculd yes but its likely plsatic

14:42

it's holding in super vibrate-y al plates, though.

14:42

those would cut right through plastic over time.

14:43

plus shine, plus no tumble and maintaining the same speed as car...

14:43

makes me think metal.

14:43

here

14:43

http://www.factoryoemparts.com/inventory/11519807.jpg

14:43

you can see, that is exactly what it is

14:43

nigga i know what a pop pin is

14:43

it could be metalic

14:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]

14:43

i'm marshalling reasons why it might be metallic.

14:43

> bolt holding plates in, mircea_popescu

14:43

clearly

14:43

<tg2> plastic pin that holds that cover on

14:44

<benkay> a!

14:44

the item in the video doesn't match that jpg

14:44

^

14:44

mircea_popescu: three shields, aluminum bar, then titanium shield, then aluminum deflector shield.

14:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]

14:44

mike_c all metallic ? impressive

14:44

lipo's, yo.

14:45

crashed a model airplane recently, banana'd a battery.

14:45

must be some high performance al-cu alloy

14:45

re: not brissant: " provides another layer of deflection and finally causes the Model S to ramp up and over the object if it is essentially incompressible and immovable"

14:45

going to puncture it on a drunken weekend soon

14:45

so if it doesn't crumble it causes the car to fly!

14:46

wifes s3 blew up while charging

14:46

this looks like 2618 level shit.

14:46

like expanded and then blew out

14:46

burnt the nightstand

14:46

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00565714 = 0.5657 BTC [-] {8}

14:46

next level samsung QC

14:47

;;seen vexual

14:47

vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat

14:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3639 @ 0.00094073 = 3.4233 BTC [+]

14:47

benkay, just charge it at 5-10x it's C rating

14:47

where's the fun in that, tg2 ?

14:47

'sides, risky for the charger.

14:47

ok ok shoot it with a firearm

14:47

that's another plan.

14:48

but firearms and booze are not my favorite combo.

14:48

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00404933 = 0.4049 BTC [-] {7}

14:49

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.007215 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2}

14:50

almost .0075

14:50

firearms and booze are like cars and booze, best kept well apart from each other in time and space

14:51

!t h rent

14:52

I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.

14:52

the manip is in, eh, the20year2 ?

14:52

News

14:52

plan to let your stockholders sell at the same price as your round 2 ipo?

14:52

iplol

14:52

i haven't had to buy a single share to increase price

14:52

evening

14:52

totally, man.

14:52

lo mo

14:52

how cum the ticker aint working, this aint right.

14:52

!t m s.mpoe

14:52

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00092844 / 0.00093601 / 0.000944 (1677335 shares, 1,570.02 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094341 / 0.00095875 (6339010 shares, 5,980.31 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086422 / 0.00096 (31068816 shares, 26,850.50 BTC)

14:52

!mp

14:52

Please use http://dpaste.com/

14:52

!help

14:52

List of commands:

14:52

!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}

14:52

!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}

14:52

!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)

14:52

!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}

14:52

!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}

14:52

!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)

14:52

!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}

14:52

!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}

14:52

!t h COG

14:54

It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.

14:54

nothing.

14:54

testing...

14:54

lol

14:54

testing in production....

14:54

assbarf

14:54

assbot is trying to catch up to mp's line count

14:54

havelock api is down

14:54

or they changed ips

14:54

or something

14:54

Scam

14:54

ping topace

14:54

he's not involved any more, kakobrekla

14:54

GOSH

14:54

lel

14:54

but he is their sys admin

14:54

afaik?

14:54

pong

14:54

something wrong wit the api?

14:54

lol assbot

14:54

did the IP change ?

14:54

you had me change the hostname

14:54

but i figured it was the same IP

14:54

if the IP changed, then i need to modify firewall

14:54

its the same ip

14:55

assbot has diarrhoea?

14:55

lets take this to private

14:55

k

14:55

!t m MNKY

14:55

It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.

14:55

lolol

14:56

!ticker h rent

14:56

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)

14:56

dafuk

14:56

;; later tell mircea_popescu a turtle surfing seal pup?! lolol

14:56

The operation succeeded.

14:57

!t h rent

14:57

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)

14:57

what is this nao

14:57

benkay you are broked

14:57

i r broked?

14:57

!t h rent

14:57

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)

14:58

anyway, where were we

14:58

wheelbarrows!

14:59

!t h COG

14:59

[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03427132 / 0.08349952 (1224 shares, 41.94809170 BTC)

14:59

!l h rent

14:59

Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.007215 BTC [-]

15:00

holee shit. michael abrash is joining carmack at oculus. amazing.

15:00

AMAZING COMPANY!

15:00

indeed assbot.

15:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]

15:00

which one is michael abrash

15:00

noob moiety sending later tits to present people.

15:01

i didnt know you were here

15:01

i need to read all ze log before responding

15:02

all zeee logs!

15:02

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g2bq94KG1qmo65zo1_1280.jpg

15:03

vile hdr

15:03

nice feet tho.

15:03

that's how you get ants

15:04

not so keen on that one iono why

15:04

www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/28/fundraiser-resolved/

15:04

joecool

hdr, throwin up rainbows now, thx

15:05

BingoBoingo o hey, wd.

15:05

mircea_popescu: Thanks

15:06

Everyone is free to guess at the identity of the generous soul

15:06

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1333 @ 0.00011999 = 0.1599 BTC [+]

15:06

ace stuff BingoBoingo :D

15:07

ok! ok! jeez stop hounding me folks: MOTD http://i.imgur.com/VwcR5RS.jpg

15:07

mircea_popescu: carmack and abrash were the talent & brains behind id software (doom,quake)

15:07

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 407 @ 0.00211306 = 0.86 BTC [-] {7}

15:08

http://underview.tumblr.com/image/80990750725

15:08

UNDERVIEW: Photo

15:08

this is a nice curated collection

15:08

http://underview.tumblr.com/

15:08

UNDERVIEW

15:09

storage:/storage 307T 252T 56T 82% /storage

15:09

fk gotta add more space

15:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 626 @ 0.00200994 = 1.2582 BTC [-] {10}

15:09

my porn collection knows no bounds

15:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58127506 = 2.3251 BTC [-] {3}

15:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58100002 BTC [-]

15:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00094073 = 19.6142 BTC [+]

15:23

KRS-One

heh

15:23

KRS-One

.bait

15:23

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luzcbsm8L41qz58qso1_500.jpg

15:26

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07259996 = 0.2178 BTC [-] {2}

15:30

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00199999 = 0.132 BTC [+]

15:31

;;ident

15:31

Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None

15:31

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00195015 = 0.585 BTC [-] {5}

15:32

.bait

15:32

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0bk2zSd8z1qhntr3o1_1280.jpg

15:32

ozbot help

15:32

.help

15:32

All commands can be processed in channel or in PM

15:32

Commands: .bait .count .diff .earn .exchange .nethash .rates .lcrates .tslb

15:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00094081 = 14.0181 BTC [+] {2}

15:32

possible to populate bait?

15:33

tg2: Post to tumbler?

15:33

tags?

15:33

michael lewis' new book is about hft traders. should be interesting. (lewis=liar's poker, moneyball, the big short)

15:34

mike_c who was the guy with the katana ?

15:34

Richard Stallman?

15:35

don't know, don't think it was lewis

15:35

nono, worked with those two, ended up making a game company which burned through 10mn of 1990s dollars to make some katana game

15:35

which never got made. largest vaporware story in gaming.

15:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58100001 = 11.039 BTC [-] {2}

15:35

stephenson

15:36

Daikatana!

15:36

John Romero

15:36

vaporware video game must be duke nukem

15:36

he was the third man at id, but apparently got erased.

15:36

;;ticker

15:36

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 497.12, Best ask: 497.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 497.12, 24 hour volume: 42616.48906348, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 532.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.447744429

15:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58083333 = 3.485 BTC [-] {2}

15:37

"Flash Boys" is the name of the book

15:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [-]

15:38

I just want to read some shit about through-earth data transmission

15:38

and i'm sure HFT will be the first place it shows up lol

15:40

BingoBoingo: it was kako.

15:41

easy blockchain sniffing.

15:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]

15:43

not like the other day when you posted that md4 challenge and i almost fried my graphics card trying to crack it.

15:44

fucking ebay - i searched for lipo batteries ONCE, literally 1 session in the last year

15:44

my hompage is now full of rc cars

15:44

order $100k of surplus servers

15:44

not even 1 server on there

15:44

solid graph ebay

15:47

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]

15:47

Sweet, .008

15:48

now the ipo is underpriced!

15:48

"i"po

15:48

crap, i was wrong, it was displaying asks, granted there's only about 25 shares between .0075 and .008

15:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10572 @ 0.00094335 = 9.9731 BTC [+] {3}

15:49

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00193468 = 0.4837 BTC [-] {7}

15:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00187956 = 1.8796 BTC [-] {12}

15:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59490453 BTC [+]

15:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42386 @ 0.00094661 = 40.123 BTC [+] {4}

16:00

http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/72298.html

16:00

bramcohen: Freenode sucks

16:00

lulzy butthurt

16:02

how ams even identity

16:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]

16:06

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 115 @ 0.00739164 = 0.85 BTC [+] {3}

16:06

and since we're on it,

16:07

https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Freenode

16:07

Freenode - Encyclopedia Dramatica

16:07

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]

16:11

what's going on with NEOBEE, why are they stopped trading?

16:11

it ticked a minunte ago, what stopped ?

16:11

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=NEOBEE says trading is stopped

16:13

well they didn't announce it or anything.

16:13

I think that is their method of announcement?

16:13

possibly butthurt over having shed 50% over a week and well... yet another one of those great "half your money in half a year" glbse-style things.

16:13

pLambert i guess it must be.

16:14

is ThickAsTheives still the pass-through manager for this one?

16:14

pt from where to where ?

16:14

from direct shares to Havelock

16:15

"Havelock Investments has been formally informed by the Pass-Through Fund Manager" <-- that guy

16:16

yes, he is

16:16

ThickAsThieves you actually managing neobee on hl ?

16:17

http://ejj.io/keybase-io-vulnerability/

16:17

Keybase.io vulnerability

16:18

funny when the first time some webservice is taken seriously by someone

16:18

is simply to describe how pointless and broken it is

16:20

i get cloudflare errors 75% of the time i try to go to havelock.

16:20

who's sysadmining over there?

16:20

such protection

16:21

L2webscale

16:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25162 @ 0.00094806 = 23.8551 BTC [+] {2}

16:23

re: rent -> The median purchase price for one single-family freestanding residential home in our areas of business stands at approximately $37,500.

16:23

> The majority of these kinds of homes will rent for $700 per month

16:23

I am no longer involved with LMB/Neo

16:23

right

16:23

benkay check it out, @benkay is nao more famous than you are https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449585590187880448

16:23

You'll need to contact Neo/LMB or Danny for any other info

16:24

:o

16:24

wasn't via me, tho mircea_popescu, was it?

16:24

then who is the Pass Through Fund Manager now?

16:25

LMB would be the only party with power over it

16:25

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014&bots=true#588733

16:25

no, it was via stan.

16:25

is it really a pass-through if the company is running it themself?

16:25

also twitter fame?

16:25

i think that i'll pass.

16:26

i'm not out of retirement yet, free to troll silicon valley all day.

16:26

shit i ain't even sufficiently well capitalized to go *into* retirement yet!

16:26

the offering was always under the control of Neo, any role I was a part of was as an independent contractor

16:26

sorry LMB, not Neo, technically

16:26

although Survant James hit a milestone recently - we now have eight full months of runway in the bank at current rates.

16:26

was anyone notable using zorro aes anywya lol

16:26

*fist pump after fist pump after fist pump*

16:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526060

16:27

#bitcoin-assets log

16:27

tg2 no.

16:27

lol "much as goat is not related to pirate"

16:27

fk a guy I fired is making 170k/yr at amazon now :'9

16:27

how is this even possible

16:27

silicon valley, pls

16:27

tg2: aws only hires the fired

16:28

nobody else is taking those jaeorbs

16:28

benkay i still don't get what the relation is supposed to have been. just that the guy can't stfu ?

16:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57000003 = 2.28 BTC [-] {3}

16:28

was goat not a pirate pass through operator?

16:28

no, goat part is clear. tat/neobee part

16:28

yes, he was the biggest

16:29

goat me

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07803404 = 0.7803 BTC [+] {3}

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00404004 = 0.202 BTC [-] {3}

16:29

was not tat originally affiliated with n/b?

16:30

well that's what im looking for.

16:30

you're the one with researchers on staff.

16:30

GET IT ON STAFF

16:30

FOLLOWERS: 14

16:30

quality over quantity I suppose

16:30

was neobee using TAT as a way to get into the community? I feel like there were scammers that did something similar before?

16:30

benkay it would depend on your definition of affliated

16:30

benkay, what's your relation to the paper ?

16:31

B=====D

16:31

^^ staff

16:31

benkay actually that log link is quite epic.

16:31

it's all coming back to me.

16:31

"Feb 24 21:08:44 <mircea_popescu>what's going on in your head ? "

16:31

benkay: Is that php?

16:32

pLambert I'm not clear to line of your questioning as it seems somewhat speculative, but as I mentioned, the relationship from the start was a contractual one between separate parties

16:32

so actually tat had some sort of ipo-coupon asset (xbond) which ipo-couponed neo, and then he was running the neobee hl asset.

16:32

no, the more advanced facebook "hack" variety

16:32

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526110

16:32

so now ThickAsThieves when exactly did you stop running it ?

16:32

#bitcoin-assets log

16:32

ThickAsThieves:i have a contract with Neo

16:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094822 = 3.7929 BTC [+]

16:33

BingoBoingo: phpenis

16:33

ThickAsThieves: You ever start that blag

16:34

mp, I think all I can really say at this time is that you'd need to contact LMB for more info.

16:34

no, im contacting you for more info.

16:34

see that's the kinda thing that tars you with the LMB brush, ThickAsThieves

16:34

so, you were running an asset. why aren;'t you announcing it stopped trading, if it did

16:35

and why arent you announcing you're no longer running it and who is now running it, if you aren't.

16:35

what the hell is this, havelockism ?!

16:35

:(

16:36

TAT, when did you stop running the pass-through?

16:38

http://gawker.com/park-slope-kids-salon-stop-calling-your-wifi-lulus-a-1553651388

16:38

Park Slope Kids Salon: Stop Calling Your Wifi "LuLu's Anal Bleaching"

16:39

BingoBoingo: possibilities for beautiful names are limitless. 'NSAPenalBattalion'.

16:40

('NSAShtrafbat' for the culturally literate)

16:40

I remember flipping my Wifi'sname back and forth between Skynet and John Conner for some time

16:40

mine is surveillancevan97***

16:42

NSAnalButtLion

16:42

hm. Neobee halts trading, TaT is running from it.. guess this is one is diving into the dead pool.

16:43

0.13 btc for the taking. http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/

16:43

cease to be traded… temporarily?

16:43

i don't think temporarily counts, but it sounds like it will be permanent soon to me.

16:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8789 @ 0.00094836 = 8.3351 BTC [+]

16:44

not looking terribly good.

16:45

let the mods figure it out.

16:45

how the fuck some "company" slash "ceo" that can spend enough to mediabuy a small mediteranean island can't get their corp comms in working order is beyond comprehension.

16:45

only in bitcoin

16:46

somehow nobody goes to conferences tro say "hay! we're so fucking retarded, you wouldn't believe!"

16:46

yeah, looks like the bet should resolve to "Yes" even for a temporary halt of trading?

16:47

i don't think that's the spirit of the bet, but i don't think it matters.

16:47

if there were actual btc on the line, the mod who approved it might get a caning

16:47

;;tslb

16:47

Time since last block: 7 minutes and 44 seconds

16:48

And Herp sees the trade stopping as a good thing: "This was probably a good move due to all the manipulation. Spamtroll manipulators had a field day recently while Neo was busy elsewhere." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg5956564#msg5956564

16:48

yeah that made me WTF too

16:49

busy... elsewhere ?

16:49

wait, we are the same person, pankkake, right? Why am I talking to myself?

16:49

kids wanna accounting-fraud their own books (which they don't keep anyway) and woe unto anyone getting in their way.

16:49

:). the actual crumbs is talking to itself on the forums quite often

16:49

As the asshole who wrote that BitBet my though was havecocks not lasting through the end of the year

16:50

they're under no real pressure

16:50

they skim off trades, and delist when things start looking shady

16:50

In case any of you missed it, Havelock has shared that "the compliance officer of Neo and Bee Ltd has stated that due to an increase of abnormal activity on the LMB share platform, there may be a high possibility of questionable trading activity. While Neo and Bee Ltd investigate the issue further they have strongly recommended that we halt trading and transfers."

16:51

^^ it's inconclusive

16:51

and to anyone saying TAT is running from this... he stepped down weeks ago

16:51

;;gettrust neilol

16:51

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user neilol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=neilol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=neilol | Rated since: never

16:51

and who are you, neilol ?

16:51

wait what ?!

16:52

neilol, please don't speak for me

16:52

benkay has it basically. skim while fools flock, delist once it goes to shit, the glbse v2.0

16:52

higher admin effort.

16:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#517531

16:52

#bitcoin-assets log

16:52

i appreciate the effort, but you do not have facts

16:52

when did TAT step down and why wasn't shareholders notified?

16:52

could it be that btcapples guy who did tons of off-market trades between LMB and Havelock?

16:52

velacreations: see the link of mike_c 's

16:53

mike_c that's the asicminer stuff neh ?

16:53

23:39:35ThickAsThieves:NEOBEE is not changing operators.

16:53

HeySteve

hey velacreations, enjoyed your aquaponics work

16:53

velacreations: awhile back, and they were.

16:53

velacreations: paranormal activity

16:53

TaT was snatched by aliens

16:54

so wait... neobee asked havelock to halt trading because *neobee* suspects there's insider trading going on ?

16:54

Diablo-D3: you must be confusing with AsicMiner

16:54

and subjected to hyperadvanced rectothermal technology

16:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00094743 = 8.0532 BTC [-] {2}

16:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00560863 = 2.8043 BTC [-] {10}

16:54

they were, funny, I am not seeing anything pertaining to NEOBEE in that link

16:54

basically what happened here, the cfo ran off with a block of shares ?

16:54

pankkake: might be?

16:54

Jesus - sorry, not speaking for you TAT, didn't realize it was actually a sensitive issue

16:54

that is AM, and TAT clearly says NEOBEE isn't affected

16:55

just a few uninformed not paying attention

16:55

neilol who are ye ?

16:55

depends on what you mean

16:55

no one by most accounts

16:55

probably

16:55

the contract with LMB and our services was officially terminated today, initiated by me

16:56

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07298718 = 0.5109 BTC [+] {3}

16:56

so you are the one who ran away with shares?? (j/k)

16:56

no

16:56

every ending, new beginning etc..

16:56

oh internets

16:56

yes well as general practice, the underwriter of a stock can't just quit, they have to leave the stock to be shepherded by someone else.

16:56

has there been a hack as some people are suggesting?

16:56

i suppose in this case, since it's stopped trading anyway it's kind-of moot.

16:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11128 @ 0.00094836 = 10.5534 BTC [+]

16:57

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07299692 = 0.438 BTC [+]

16:57

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07805001 = 0.3122 BTC [+]

16:57

mp, the current manager would now be LMB

16:57

exactly, MP, how does a fund manager just "quit" without notifying the fund?

16:58

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07045014 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {4}

16:58

velacreations well, apparently he just has notified it.

16:58

the PT was always run under the authorization of LMB

16:59

mp, what I mean is that he has (in the past) given advanced notice, and it was sent on official channels, like the exchange, company website, fund thread, etc

16:59

Hrm.

16:59

Hey guys.

16:59

ThickAsThieves: would you clearsign and pastebin something to the effect of "I am no longer affiliated with Neobee, your next point of contact is thus and such."?

16:59

I want you to prove I should accept Bitcoin for my business.

16:59

you shouldn't.

16:59

benkay, is that not evident otherwise?

16:59

it'd be a nice precedent.

17:00

^ tat, i agree

17:00

i could put it on my blog

17:00

no problem

17:00

think if I start a forum thread, in dollars

17:00

thanks, man.

17:00

with a coupon code thats like

17:00

"votebitcoin"

17:00

and say there has to be 25 uses of the code

17:00

before Ill accept bitcoin

17:00

ThickAsThieves can't hurt anything

17:00

people would do it?

17:00

;;ident ThickAsThieves

17:00

Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is not identified.

17:01

Diablo-D3: what's ur bsnss? hosting?

17:01

jurov: exelion.net

17:01

gimme a few mins to auth and sign message

17:01

hello all

17:01

thanks, TAT

17:01

velacreations this chan is the gazette of record of all bitcoin asset matters, but that aside i agree it's not convenient for various investors etc to not get info in whatever channels and forms they prefer.

17:02

Diablo-D3: US only?

17:03

mp, it's not convenient when "official news" has traditionally been given through other means

17:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.005602 = 0.2521 BTC [-]

17:03

i see it.

17:03

I hate that I missed your announcement TAT, is there any chance you will be posting it in a public place besides here?

17:03

jurov: only Dallas location atm.

17:03

ljack: i'll host it too.

17:04

Oh, the whole forum is showing up

17:05

lol, i never use irc. until today.

17:05

welcome ljack this is where the biz actually transpires.

17:05

i see now; ill know better in the future

17:06

no one "missed" any announcement, so far as the asset was halted beforehand anyway

17:06

i'm bcverified now btw

17:06

feel free to check

17:06

;;ident ThickAsThieves

17:06

Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk

17:06

my gpg is tied to the same

17:06

wasnt trying to insult; just read on the forums that you were no longer involved, was seeking clarification

17:06

would you clearsign a statement that I can host please, ThickAsThieves ?

17:06

please clarify "clearsign:

17:06

"

17:07

gpg clearsign

17:07

I purchased some of the btcapples shares, concerned about the authenticity of them

17:07

or bitcoin sign a message

17:07

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5705 = 1.141 BTC [+] {2}

17:07

k

17:07

sorta the same thing (sorta)

17:07

the text would be "I was notified of paranormal activity and decided to blabla"

17:07

paranormlol

17:08

of course the whole forum is here, they want to hear the news

17:08

I dont mind them freezing it; just want to know I didnt get burned. Guys claims they are legit though

17:08

aliens always ruining nice things, first egiptians, then mayans, now neobee

17:08

GreenBits from the forums btw

17:08

benkay you can host what ?!

17:08

text.

17:09

you mean the chan log ?!

17:09

While I expect that TAT will only issue an "I am no longer affiliated" type statement, adding a reason why would be nice.

17:09

are you not reading logs today mircea_popescu ?

17:09

artifexd i sort-of suspect he'd have said it by now if he perceived he could.

17:09

benkay i am! what!

17:09

Hence my expectation

17:09

i want a gpg signed thing!

17:09

artifexd, +1

17:09

logs are insufficient.

17:10

that's why the paranormal suggestion

17:10

Yeah, I dont expect to hear the whole of it

17:10

as someone quite far from all of this, i still find it interesting just how much of the '2011 bitcoin' world is still chugging along.

17:10

benkay no i get that part, but once he signs a gpg statement what do you need permission to host it for ?

17:10

does the chumpatronium never run out?

17:10

i don't need permission to host it

17:10

asciilifeform stuff is hard.

17:10

i'm asking for a thing that stands on its own.

17:10

how hard is it to simply sit on coin?

17:10

"<benkay> would you clearsign a statement that I can host please" read to me that you want him to permit you to host it in writing lol.

17:11

i see what you actually meant nao

17:11

bah no sir

17:11

asciilifeform: facebook has over 1 billion users. chumpatron will never run out of fuel.

17:11

seemed so fucking weird lol

17:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23240 @ 0.00094932 = 22.0622 BTC [+]

17:11

asciilifeform question of mothers towards their young sons that got a girl pregnant, since forever :

17:11

"how hard is it to just sit on that cock!!1"

17:11

*

chatquack stumbles in

17:11

lol

17:11

Address: 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk

17:12

Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1761926/plain/)

17:12

!b 4

17:12

daugthers, idem

17:12

Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1761927/plain/)

17:12

!b 8

17:12

Message:

17:12

ThickAsThieves: pastebin?

17:12

sure

17:12

sec

17:13

TaT wants to get bashed :D

17:13

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 421 @ 0.00047331 = 0.1993 BTC [+] {9}

17:13

phacebook luserbase might pay with anal virginity, but at least they're not spending actual money

17:14

seems a dubious consolation.

17:14

bitcoin/actual money, pick one

17:14

i'm just trying to wrap my puny brain around the conundrum of why 'havelock' etc. still exist

17:14

a little anal always consoles me.

17:14

asciilifeform it's easy.

17:15

you know, like coloring books, nobody says they shouldn't exist, just, they should exist in a much more fucking responseible fashion

17:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 610 @ 0.00095634 = 0.5834 BTC [+]

17:15

Signed Announcement: http://dpaste.com/1761928/

17:15

thanks, ThickAsThieves

17:16

well, one way it existed until now is TaT fronted five of the funds. now he's down to zero.

17:16

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0075 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2}

17:16

so you initiated the termination of your contract with neo for what reasons ?

17:16

mike_c which means some eager young fellow full of hope and good intentions is about to show up

17:17

just feels like a mindfuck to wander into, e.g. leningrad hermitage and see... colouring books.

17:17

ThickAsThieves Can you tell us when was the last time you had any direct communication with Danny?

17:17

like this fellow : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584

17:17

I last spoke with Danny on March 21, 2014

17:17

GreenBits

Im not too concerned this is a cut and run, too much capital invested at this point. But that is interesting TAT

17:18

xapo will fix all these problems. they bury shit in a mountain.

17:18

even if everyting is okay it is probably a good idea to terminate

17:18

ty

17:18

because communication channels can be compromised

17:18

do they also bury the user in the mountain?

17:18

you know, the fellow with the password

17:18

asciilifeform mostly, their head.

17:18

it's just big enough to fit in a mountain.

17:19

no no ascii, they have "layer on layer" of security. it'll be fine.

17:19

mike_c aaa, but was it built from the ground up with a cock in mind ?

17:19

ThickAsThieves: were the terms of your contract public?

17:19

wait no that's not how it went

17:19

when do we get a mountain for burial of pgp keys?

17:19

it's called keybase.io, asciilifeform .

17:19

GreenBits

May I ask if this lack of communication contributed to your decision?

17:19

js-secure!

17:19

asciilifeform itd be a pretty korean thing to do, you know ? buy a mountain, sculpt the faces of great bitcoin jesuses all around, have a light at the top to represent satoshi...

17:20

kanzure, no they were not

17:20

TAT: can you disclose what motivated your decision to terminate the contract ?

17:20

ThickAsThieves - what made you terminate the agreement since you spoke with Danny on 21st?

17:21

you had no recent communication with him

17:21

frenchie kasa32 this is in the log.

17:21

he didn't say

17:21

he said he wouldn't say.

17:21

no, he didn't, but he was asked.

17:21

re: the mountain: it would at least begin to make sense if the people involved provided an actual service - say, they hold keys and try to verify that you are the meatbag the key belonged to when you walk into an anal probe chamber

17:22

but afaik this is not what is happening

17:22

"try to" is not an actual service

17:22

well i said 'begin to' make sense, rather than 'makes sense'

17:22

hehe that you did

17:22

is NeoBee under the authority of Cypriot or EU banking regulators?

17:23

the way that a child drawing a stick figure in mud 'begins to make sense', but a drunken hippie taking a shit onto a canvas doesn't

17:23

I think it's not since bitcoin is not money in the EU

17:23

benkay cyprus uses the euro. there's no such distinction really.

17:23

didn't think so. wiser heads, etc.

17:24

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0074999 = 0.135 BTC [-]

17:25

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00732663 = 0.696 BTC [-] {3}

17:25

benkay sure it is. they do work with euros

17:26

bitcoins are supposed to be mostly the backing

17:26

the scam contention being that there's no way they can actually resist a haircut.

17:26

The basic reason is that, with my role being largely to facilitate transfers, I could not perform my contract without guarantee it would not make me party to the trading activity under investigation. As mentioned, Neo also recommended halting all such activity as well.

17:26

how do the mountain people decide whom to disgorge a key to?

17:27

that's the problem, they can't really.

17:27

investigation - what timespan?

17:27

maybe i'm thick, but it seems to reduce to a poor version of 'brainwallet' but with a 'priest'

17:27

it's a sequence of steps. layers.

17:27

"we’ll use multiple security layers to verify that you have authorized the request. This will initiate a sequence of secure steps to get your requested bitcoins transferred to your wallet within 24 hours."

17:27

asciilifeform you know, just like true love reduces to you waiting ouside the door while they do it.

17:27

dexX7 I do not understand your question, but it's unlikely I have any timelines to offer at this time

17:28

lol@forum doing irc liveblogging

17:28

must suck to be stuck on the shittier platform, eh ?

17:28

such web. much 2.0.

17:29

asciilifeform maybe there's nice little sauna near the summit

17:29

how does mountain corp. decide which 'you' is you ?

17:29

designated secure

17:29

you're saying i should be grateful for irc? that's a funny one

17:29

deadweasel

are you not?

17:29

i'll answer as soon as i'm done netsplitting

17:30

let's not be splitting the nets.

17:30

thanks TAT, what's your best guess at what's happening ?

17:30

frenchie, ask LMB/Neo

17:31

who was it that said she had called but then nobody picked up ?

17:31

well that would be too easy

17:31

o the reuters gal.

17:32

@ThickAsThieves how long have you known about the suspicious trading issues?

17:33

velacreations irc highlights people when you mention their name, no need for @s and stuff.

17:34

the 'store btc as service' folks make my brain hurt. it's as if there were suddenly chains of mega-restaurants where they pre-chew food

17:34

and everyone seems to be eager to visit

17:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00094902 = 20.8784 BTC [-]

17:35

proposing that people who can't remember keys can function in civilization seems like an especially cruel lie

17:35

i can't remember my key, what are you on about. 4096 bits, srsly ?

17:35

well, i think the service is more for those that can't secure their keys.

17:35

not key per se

17:35

but the key to the key

17:35

aha! BUT!

17:36

this already means you're using SOMETHING to remember your key, yes ?

17:36

most people can remember enough key to make keeping some physical thing or other a reasonable proposition

17:36

and, for things one can't remember (e.g. gold, disk of warez) one can remember a hiding place

17:36

seems like a basic biological function

17:37

store btc as a service, if done right (like say bc.info used to do it) has its places. you go to trade some btc in ny central park, you take a blockchain url with you.

17:37

<mircea_popescu> can you tell us more about the letter you received from US authorities?

17:37

kasa32 the whole thing's published, http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

17:38

did they issue more veiled threats?

17:38

since then

17:38

mircea_popescu thanks, is there a way to reference their name just by clicking on it, or do I have to type it out every time?

17:38

interestingly, it is quite feasible to memorize 4096 bits

17:38

velacreations: tab-completion.

17:38

for instance right now to have it spit out velacreations i type out vel and hit tab

17:38

just has to be done correctly

17:38

you need a client for it tho

17:38

stage magicians do it all the time

17:38

'mnemonists'

17:38

asciilifeform i wouldn't want it in my memory anyway.

17:39

thanks guys

17:39

when i was a student, i tried to work out a way to crank reasonably-heavy rsa mentally.

17:39

a la Trachtenberg's arithmetic

17:40

i wonder if there actually exists an irc client w/o autocompletion

17:40

(trachtenberg was a mathematically-inclined fellow who ended up in auschwitz)

17:40

Pi to 1k only takes a few days

17:40

<mircea_popescu> are you afraid about US taking legal action? can they bring you to US to testify?

17:40

'how i need a drink, alcoholic of course, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics.'

17:40

and then repeat every 2x the previous time frame

17:41

now everyone here will remember 15 digits, for life.

17:41

Sec can't do much out of the us

17:41

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07005 = 0.2802 BTC [-] {3}

17:42

asciilifeform: yes i'm sure there's someone, somewhere, doing rsa in head

17:42

http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/28_havelock-freezes-neobee-trading-thickasthieves-steps-down-as-fund-manager.html

17:42

Havelock Freezes NEOBEE Trading, ThickAsThieves Steps Down as Fund Manager

17:42

*

bounce basically never uses autocompletion. currently maybe not even bound to a key.

17:42

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21mgmt/havelock_investments_halts_trading_for_neo_bee/ here too

17:42

*

benkay goes back to building docker images

17:42

mental rsa would be the ultimate in authentication.

17:42

even if not for encipherment

17:42

kasa32 these are civil proceedings.

17:43

Well, as long as babikian is still hanging out without reprimand

17:43

jurov: a link to my post there would be neat

17:43

benkay: do you use plover to build docker stuff

17:43

After frauding billions in penny stocks

17:44

;;google plover docker

17:44

I wouldn't be worried about SEC asking for info

17:44

Kohl's Plover, WI, 54467 - YP.com: <http://www.yellowpages.com/plover-wi/mip/kohls-7360235>; Kohl's Department Store - Plover WI 54467 | 715-344-0480 | Bed ...: <http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Kohls.Department.Store.715-344-0480>; pyvideo.org - PyCon US 2013: <http://pyvideo.org/category/33/pycon-us-2013>

17:44

rsa gets impractical quickly on paper, much less mentally. might look into that crypto by pack of cards thing though.

17:44

benkay if they're not dockers, they're just pants.

17:44

benkay: plover is like veewee except less awful

17:44

benkay: the box builder automation stuff

17:44

kanzure: link me?

17:44

bounce: you'd want something like 'napier's bones'

17:44

bounce: do you have a link for that?

17:44

benkay: i dunno, http://mmckeen.net/blog/2013/12/27/advanced-docker-provisioning-with-packer/

17:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20172 @ 0.00095324 = 19.2288 BTC [+] {2}

17:45

kanzure you the comedy central guy ?

17:45

kanzure: packer you mean

17:45

I'd have to dig

17:45

mircea_popescu: huh? probably not. i don't know who you are referring to.

17:45

a bryan bishop fellow.

17:45

benkay: that link is a good one for explaining it

17:45

wait, bishop?

17:45

mircea_popescu: interesting. there's a few people showing up with my name. i want them gone.

17:45

mircea_popescu: there's also this person from theverge with my name.. sigh.

17:46

kanzure: i think you used to work with a chum of mine from uni

17:46

well iirc this guy had some sort of cancer, so you might get your wish

17:46

kanzure: nope. clients don't need all that.

17:46

breaking mirrors is bad luck, don't you know

17:46

kanzure: mike w.

17:46

asciilifeform: nice, wittig?

17:46

him!

17:46

ol

17:46

lol

17:46

lol

17:46

"come to -assets. only a coupla hundred people here, but you probably have friends in common"

17:46

asciilifeform: that was a long time ago

17:46

asciilifeform: 2008

17:46

yeah

17:47

asciilifeform: and they didn't put me on the paper anyway

17:48

kanzure: chemical modelling?

17:49

oh right, "solitaire (cipher)", bruce schneier vehicle for the cryptonomicon

17:49

asciilifeform: dna logic gate stuff

17:49

kanzure: you still in that business?

17:49

asciilifeform: i moved into non-academic garage biology stuff

17:50

good move

17:50

gotta save that one for when anyone asks what's in my fridge.

17:50

see ##hplusroadmap

17:50

projects like http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf

17:52

kanzure: neato. once worked with the 'abi 394' pictured on the 8th slide.

17:52

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/swiss-labs-to-host-olympics-for-robot-assisted-athletes-in-2016/

17:52

Zurich 2016: First "Cybathlon" is fine with "technology doping" | Ars Technica

17:52

asciilifeform: terrible piles of crap, aren't they?

17:52

quite!

17:52

there's no good reason these machines should cost so much

17:52

the plexiglass one - how are you pumping? SAW resonator?

17:53

if machine price goes down then synthesis costs can be tweaked

17:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.0009549 = 10.8859 BTC [+]

17:53

well that was an old presentation

17:53

i've since determined that microfluidics is not the best way for now

17:53

ideally you should limit the number of stupid-hard problems you are solving simultaneously..

17:53

how is microfluidics a hard problem?

17:54

well to do dna synthesis on the scale that i want it, you need hundreds or thousands of microfluidic gates

17:54

and then you need to bother with photolithography and all sorts of other issues

17:54

<mircea_popescu> US has authority to arrest you and bring you to the US. They have done this before. Just check Liberty Reserve incident

17:54

slide deck must be ancient. co2 laser for 10,000 ?

17:54

hah

17:55

<mircea_popescu> you may want to prepare yourself for that scenario

17:55

1990s?

17:55

that might have been for a new laser

17:55

it's ~1k today

17:55

it's entirely possible that i suck at sourcing

17:55

the only way to get good at sourcing is to pay with one's lunch money

17:56

teaches quickly.

17:56

sure. yeah i'm done with grants/whatever. just use my own bucks.

17:56

not worth my time

17:56

much easier, but very similar problem - home ic fab

17:57

i intend to get there. one day.

17:57

right.. so some friends and i were putting together an idea for using lasers to build microfluidic chips.

17:57

http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/

17:57

laser etcher

17:57

40w tube readily cuts glass

17:57

cut channels, then fuse

17:57

need about 10-50 micron channel widths

17:57

not hard if you can get the beam sweet spot

17:58

but again i think this approach is probably bad; why not just build a bigger version like the traditional machines

17:58

and once it's working, start ripping away and downsizing

17:58

there was this oligo arrayer open source project that did it for ~$20k

17:58

http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/

17:58

The POSAM Inkjet Microarrayer

18:00

one of the reasons why the 'DIY' bio instrumentation stuff is obscure is that ebay exists

18:00

and very serviceable surplus tech can be had by anyone

18:00

for pennies on the dollar

18:00

it is interesting to see the 'market' price of various things vs. the 'we buy it with u.s. tax dollars' price

18:01

last i looked the synthesizers bottom out on ebay at $400-$700 "maybe working"

18:01

much easier to fix a dead merrifield or whatnot than build all of civilization from raw materials

18:01

and ~$2k for "probably working" and $50k for "sorta new, or exactly new, except we know that nobody is building this crap anymore so we're not going to lie to you"

18:02

granted, 'fix' sometimes involves tearing out the electronics

18:02

do you know of any synthesizer manufacturers that still exist? i'm aware of the refurb shops

18:02

ABI etc got swallowed up and cancelled their manufacturing

18:02

i've been out of the business for some years, unfortunately.

18:02

nah it's good to get out of that uh.. industry.

18:03

kasa32 you must have missed the part where i told you this is a civil matter.

18:03

Jezzz

.r

18:03

Bitstamp | Buy: $500.00

18:03

Coinbase | Buy: $503.41

18:03

asciilifeform: so if you know mike then how do you know me

18:03

kanzure so what are you actually trying to make ?

18:04

kanzure: he introduced me to some of your works.

18:04

long ago.

18:04

asciilifeform: what is he doing?

18:04

mircea_popescu: trouble? mostly software at the moment https://github.com/kanzure

18:04

kanzure: last i spoke with him, he burned out and became a programmer!

18:04

oh good, yeah he was okay at that

18:04

doing some sort of dreary web crap

18:04

oh

18:04

to eat.

18:05

<mircea_popescu> civil matter? Kim Dotcom was civil matter also and US managed to get him arrested so...

18:05

kanzure no no, with the 10micron channels and other stupid hard problems

18:05

mircea_popescu: i had a colleague on that project and he's still convinced that microfluidics is the way to go, so he's still working on that in portland

18:06

is he involved in the low-g stuff as well?

18:06

kanzure: ever work with 'tecan corp.' xyz robot?

18:06

kasa32 you have many distinct categories all confused up here.

18:06

asciilifeform: i've poked at tecan things. in particular i was playing with jcline's perl library for tecan control.

18:06

kanzure ok, but the way to go WHERE

18:06

benkay: not that i know of

18:06

<mircea_popescu> you mean cos of megauploads a legal entity?

18:07

mircea_popescu: dna synthesis

18:07

kanzure: i actually spent 2 yrs. writing a total replacement for the idiot software stack those things came with.

18:07

kasa32 i mean because there's no such thing as an arrest in civil proceedings, and i never heard of an arrested witness yet and so on and so forth.

18:07

kanzure ok but to make what ?

18:07

asciilifeform: to sell back to tecan?

18:07

mircea_popescu: what is mpex's SEC analogue

18:07

kanzure: tried to! even landed a conference with them. guess how it went.

18:07

tg2 exact analogue does not exist.

18:07

mircea_popescu: all sorts of things. it's a basic requirement for conducting almost any interesting molecular biology project ever.

18:07

kanzure: 'what do you mean it doesn't run on top of our winblows stack'

18:07

nor should it, probably

18:08

kanzure which is why i am trying to get a specific out of you.

18:08

You should create mpsec

18:08

bounce i guess not.

18:08

And issue requests for information to the SEC

18:08

Lol

18:08

<mircea_popescu> yes but if you are called as a witness in a trial, they might bring you there by force

18:08

mircea_popescu: i don't have a specific project in mind, and if i did, i would just buy the dna from a synthesis company.

18:08

tg2 i'd rather build organically on proved-to-work infrastructure developed in small steps

18:08

than go all out with idiocy that'll never work a la us congress.

18:08

to testify

18:08

they're chasing an idea of "fairness" that's a poor fit to fiat, possibly worse for bitcoin

18:08

kanzure: it's still theoretically for sale. number of takers: zero.

18:08

asciilifeform: well, you could always sell it to someone else i guess

18:09

asciilifeform: or open source it

18:09

kanzure: mandatory spam: http://www.molboxllc.com/products.html

18:09

bounce i don't think that discussion is yet ripe. so far they've prosecuted one guy.

18:09

there's a thousand to go that i and anyone else with a shred of sanity left would readily agree are prosecutable

18:09

once done with that pile it may be sensible to examine wtf is what.

18:10

asciilifeform: cool. let me bounce some ideas around in my head. i might be aware of some opportunities (nobody that would want to outright buy this, but.. stuff that is happening.)

18:10

kanzure: what's interesting is that virtually everyone who owns one of those machines has a grad student wretch supervising it's stumblings in perso

18:10

n

18:10

possibly. there's also them being wilfully ignorant, even impotent, in eg. the flash crash thing

18:10

asciilifeform: do you know the transcriptic.com people?

18:10

bounce the curse of regulators, in all times and places, is that they can't afford to hire the sort of brainpower they need.

18:10

kanzure: nope

18:10

which is why mpex is really such manna from heavens.

18:10

<mircea_popescu> they can also charge you of conspiring to help US citizens avoid taxes and such and whatever charges or charge you with money laundry

18:11

it's not like they haven't done this before

18:11

kasa32 are we trying to write a block buster movie script here ?

18:11

amazing how $300K machine comes with visual basic turd that often physically destroys the enclosure when the thing boots (carriages get sent to the axis limits, because $300K apparently doesn't buy you limit switches...)

18:11

AMAZING COMPANY!

18:11

I'm just saying you need to be careful and prepare yourself

18:11

asciilifeform just add a bit of plastic foam!!!

18:11

it might happen

18:11

asciilifeform do you know the story of the irradiation accidents with medical equipment cause of this problem ?

18:12

(comp took out some plastic stoppers to save on costs)

18:12

mircea_popescu: 'therac-25'

18:12

aye

18:12

well, though this is a dangerous suggestion, might look at some sort of theoretical underpinning of why regulating, with what overarching goal if you will. I don't really see them do more than plug holes that may or may not exist

18:12

take all precautions and such

18:12

mircea_popescu: in our case it was a gurl holding a fist over 'big red button'

18:12

rather than foam

18:12

kasa32 your sentiment is appreciated, but had you heard of me before last week ?

18:12

asciilifeform: so did you reverse engineer the tecan protocol or did you just buy their sdk or what?

18:12

reversed 100%.

18:12

ok

18:12

though an environment where a lot of what's being done in fiat is flat out impossible is a good dampener already

18:13

and all of the other instruments that were to be used with the damn thing

18:13

bounce a lot more thought will have to be poured into those things

18:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095519 = 6.6214 BTC [+] {2}

18:13

idea was to get rid of the wretches hand-carrying samples to/from instruments

18:13

because wtf is the point of a robot then

18:13

kanzure clearly stan has too much time on his hands.

18:13

had.

18:13

by people with suitable detachment as ooposed to the usual driven to do good type

18:13

you're talking to the guy who reverse engineered pokemon red and crystal

18:13

had.

18:13

so.. if anything, don't talk to me about time.

18:13

s/oop/opp/

18:14

bounce in general it's been my experiences that only committees that include at least one asshole yield anything usable.

18:14

kanzure: in my spam flick, you can see the bugger stuff a plate in a non-bot-enabled plate reader

18:14

etc

18:14

heh

18:14

"oh a few hundred thousand lines of terrible, shitty z80 asm? why of course i'll reverse engineer that!" https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal

18:14

without assholes on the committee, how can you even know the members are human?

18:14

you've been training for that, haven't you?

18:15

without assholes, how would you know we're human?

18:15

no asshole, not human.

18:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]

18:15

apropos therac-25, that was that thing that only pooped out cryptic numbers to be looked up into large books of errors?

18:15

"I was born like this, I had no choice. I was born with the gift of a golden voice"

18:15

now i just reverse shit to eat.

18:16

bounce one of many but yes

18:16

'you are what you pretend to be, so be careful what you pretend to be.'

18:16

asciilifeform if that worked bitcoin would be full of ceos, venture capitalists and other peaks of intellectual achievement.

18:16

asciilifeform: every time venter announces another $40M genome i just laugh

18:16

in a way the habitually ignored overly verbose blatter found in intrusive popups on desktops today is the other extreme... with the same effect

18:17

<mircea_popescu> I've seen some tweets about the letter you received

18:17

s/tt/th/

18:17

funny how my father actually spent a good deal of life doing the same (reversing western consumer junk for the soviet market)

18:17

asciilifeform: if i had to pay $40M for every completely custom genome, pfft

18:17

asciilifeform: are you the p90 guy

18:17

andyfletcher

looks like the pdf was wrong in the SEC assertion that handing over the data wasn't against EU data protection regs. MEMO/13/923 and MEMO/14/60 which were approved by the EU Parliament on 2014/03/14 refer to 'all natural persons'. Not just EU citizens.

18:17

p90?

18:17

kasa32 yeah. well... i've been here preparing things for many years so far.

18:17

kanzure, heh, you remind me of a dude

18:17

kanzure, just buy some gm corn in the nearest supermarket

18:18

that RE some Wii games

18:18

nope i haven't touched wii yet

18:18

;;google p90

18:18

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18:18

asciilifeform: private-eye wearable heads up something

18:18

http://delroth.net/

18:18

delroth.net - delroth's website

18:18

andyfletcher you don't say.

18:18

i have an ancient page about it, yes

18:18

asciilifeform: oh, then mike told me about you

18:18

http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html

18:18

Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display

18:19

kanzure, how much time you spent on it ?

18:19

Apocalyptic: wii? none whatsoever

18:19

stompysteve

whats going on with neobee i just got online

18:19

andyfletcher

mircea_popescu, yup. It is on Europa http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-186_en.htm

18:19

on the pokemon crystal

18:19

andyfletcher let's try something simpler : http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/#footnote_1_53360

18:19

Apocalyptic: way too much time man

18:19

they can't even comply with the actual fed regulations on document handling.

18:19

Apocalyptic: pokemon red is "done"- it compiles without baserom.gbc

18:19

which... you know.

18:19

asciilifeform: my roommate was building this, http://fennetic.net/irc/cyberfenn/hplus_proposal/

18:20

kanzure: we're still just as far from a 'human price' svga ocular as we were in 1990.

18:20

asciilifeform: (this was a few years ago, so no glass comments etc)

18:20

<kanzure> Apocalyptic: way too much time man // i bet, was looking for something quantitative

18:20

'glass' is barely vga.

18:20

Apocalyptic: at least 100 hours

18:20

that's not much

18:21

i guess not, no

18:21

but the upper bound is probably 2000

18:21

andyfletcher anyway, you should get a cookie for being the first commentator of the matter to have spotted it. somehow the press covered it extensively but failed to notice stuff like that.

18:21

perhaps because the press isn't very well equipped to report these days.

18:21

the electromechanical piece of junk features in my link is, funnily, still far ahead of what you can buy now

18:21

if you want an ocular for something other than viewing porn on airplanes

18:22

andyfletcher

/me is happy to wave a finger in the direction of the SEC and say "Not allowed"

18:22

razor-sharp monochrome, with square pixels

18:22

who the fuck wants to view porn on airplanes. so you get yourself all good and ready and then what ? ask the stewardess to draw the curtain and the girls to drop the tops ?

18:22

(the 'movie'-grade displays have staggered rgb, like the cheap camera viewfinders which... they are)

18:22

lol

18:22

mircea_popescu: it's the principle

18:23

jborkl

Neo bee halted for abnormal trading activity

18:23

joecool

old news

18:23

jborkl scroll up honey :p

18:23

kanzure what principle is that ?

18:23

jborkl

Ah

18:23

personal computing?

18:23

i thought porn something.

18:23

asciilifeform: maybe interesting to you http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/news/

18:24

asciilifeform: new oculus is 960x1080 per eye. that beats svga :)

18:24

square pixel grid?

18:24

because if not, go and try reading text

18:24

oculus is the wrong form factor anyway

18:24

back we go, to the days of microcomputing with tv sets

18:25

and who wants to wear a helmet

18:25

weren't such bad days, those.

18:25

asciilifeform: so why is everyone such a fuckup with making these?

18:25

http://trilema.com/2012/chaos-battle-of-the-wizards/

18:25

Chaos - Battle of the Wizards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:25

kanzure: lockheed corp. et al make fine ones. $50K+

18:25

so, patent trolls.

18:25

well, i assume not square pixels since there's a lens right in front of your eye.

18:25

That 'therac-25' incident is interesting, thanks for the tip. If you are making a 'firmware interlock' for a radiation machine, I would think you would at least make it in TTL or on an FPGA or something.

18:25

mike_c he knows what he's asking. you can't really read on the things

18:25

asciilifeform: does yours still work?

18:25

square in the sense of not being staggered rows (optimized for film)

18:26

yes it works

18:26

decimation: i think that was before fpgas were on the market

18:26

find, cpld

18:26

decimation or not take out the 0.01 cent plastic stoppers

18:26

I bet some mba management directed that

18:26

"how can we shape the bottom line today?"

18:27

ah. don't know whether the rows are staggered. i didn't know there were displays like that.

18:27

if there was any kind of demand for an svga ocular, the chinese would piss on the patents and we'd have them.

18:27

naggum's binders.

18:27

http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3071492123502329@naggum.no.html

18:27

Re: creation of lisp machine/lispOS - Naggum cll archive

18:27

who wants to read in VR anyway?

18:27

I find that 'modern' cameras with giant LCD's are universally worse than the old-fashioned viewfinders with baffles

18:27

me

18:28

for instance, i'd like a measurement overlay.

18:28

me.

18:28

but not 100M wankers.

18:28

not yet.

18:28

well, overlays would be more of a see-through augmentation thing, not a closed off VR experience, no?

18:28

decimation the insulting part is they're dropping the optical viewfinder ;/

18:28

think of what a terrific waste a non-ocular display is, for a fellow working alone

18:29

mike_c maybe

18:29

my lcds are soaking up ~200W

18:29

http://asolitarycomfort.tumblr.com/image/68242483909

18:29

: Photo

18:29

all so i can have a few emacsen going

18:29

asciilifeform o, i got kw here.

18:29

fuck it. i'd use a megawatt. what's energy for ?

18:29

this is bitcoin, we don't care about wasting electricity.

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [-]

18:29

^

18:29

mircea_popescu and his room of Trinitrons

18:29

i save on heat!

18:30

personally i'm less concerned with wattage than space

18:30

living in a flat

18:30

so move out of the sticks.

18:30

do you know what 5k sq feet of floor space + garages cost in a SANE PART of the world ?

18:30

no?

18:30

I think a competent driver with a good measurement overlay coupled with a radar/laser rangefinder would be more safe in a variety of conditions

18:30

i can guess

18:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00095436 = 11.9295 BTC [-] {2}

18:30

especially if FLIR were available

18:30

about the same you pay for a speeding ticket.

18:30

can you give me another analogy

18:30

decimation absolutely.

18:30

i've never paid for a speeding ticket

18:31

good laser you can drive in fog.

18:31

that's clearly an application for high resolution optic viewers

18:31

kanzure stop sucking and go get a speeding ticket.

18:31

mircea_popescu: yeah, i should

18:31

ideally you have car-mounted sensors without any blockage from the columns in the vehicle

18:31

decimation obviously, lasers in the lights.

18:32

actually... you don't really need oculars for this

18:32

you could make a decent window.

18:33

this i think is a start-up idea right here, sell window + sensor kids for the aftermarket.

18:33

I want sensor kids

18:33

people would be all over your shit. 100mn of them too, because nothing gets a guy off quite like having the girl that's about to give him a blowjob think he's batman

18:33

sensor kids

18:33

kits omg

18:33

I think the angle here is that the "my startup life" folks in california want to jump directly to full automation. Why not mine the more easily achievable sensor augmentation market?

18:33

decimation what do they know.

18:34

someone get elon musk in here lol.

18:34

subject of more easily achievable sensor markets, check out the new client

18:34

http://smartvineyards.net

18:34

mircea_popescu, he's busy with exploding Tesla's

18:35

maybe we can wrap everyone in a titanium shell so they don't experience hardship in life

18:35

decimation, ah!

18:35

Musk well, imagine how cool it'd be if the front window'd show the explosion parameters in futura font

18:35

just as you're flying through teh clouds

18:38

what the... did i lose interwebs or did everyone somehow inexplicably shut up for two minutes

18:38

i'm calling 911.

18:38

reading reviews of people who work at SpaceX, it's obvious the business model is "milk underpaid labor from engineers who like "space" on facebook"

18:38

well the Neo fud seems over for now.. :3

18:39

decimation not a bad model.

18:39

dairy revolution ensured the supremacy of europe. milking is big, man.

18:39

Farmenomics ?

18:40

I think there was a discussion on this channel awhile back about the national security implications of cowgut in WWI Germany

18:40

decimation: not necessarily a bad deal for the engineers. lot to be said for liking what you work on.

18:40

milking AND liking

18:41

I'm told that most cows line up to be milked

18:41

they do. mastitis is deadly.

18:41

and painful.

18:42

Perhaps this is also related to the "beetle man" attitude

18:44

o look at that. elon musk was not here.

18:44

i mean, not elon musk was here

18:46

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530091.0 << this is the poll to end all polls

18:46

Would you send money or bitcoins to MtGox when it re-opens? (poll)

18:46

Question:Would you send money or bitcoins to MtGox when it re-opens? (Voting closed: March 27, 2014, 03:11:32 PM) Yes 34 (43%)

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No 45 (57%)

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18:46

Total Voters: 79

18:46

asciilifeform ^ enjoy baby.

18:47

so are these the deer that walk up to the hunter and kneel down?

18:48

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537527.msg5956966#msg5956966 dank is back.

18:48

Looking for investment of ~2500 BTC for music festival, return = ~150,000 BTC

18:48

decimation no, these are "the community". according to themselves.

18:48

o.O

18:48

what is it with people trying to connect all things they dont like to MPEx? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5958430#msg5958430

18:48

"p.s: notice name of the seller "btcapples". A notorious spammer troll connected to Mpex. "

18:48

that guy…

18:48

150k btc return sounds like a good deal!

18:48

i beat you!

18:48

ozbot: sign me up!

18:49

>_>

18:49

lol

18:49

then I can finally be richer than mircea_popescu

18:49

it's always been a goal of mine

18:49

apparently there is sufficient fuel remaining to re-open the gox chumpatron

18:49

btcapples ?! who's that ?

18:49

between crumbs, btcapples and a pankkake we can make OUR OWN PIES

18:50

:D

18:50

btcapples seems to be the only guy to ever conduct a forum-based sale of NEOBEE shares through the LMB platform

18:50

copumpkin well if you organise a btc festival that nets 150k coins you'll definitely end up with more stds than i ever had.

18:50

:D

18:51

"Also, he tried to sell these(whoevers') shares under false pretense. I believe it was financial hardship?"

18:51

was it actually not his shares ?

18:51

i dont know whether he's one of the people suspected

18:51

but he's got my attention now

18:51

okay, can someone pump up S.MPOE to 1 btc each?

18:51

thanks

18:52

"People think that anything goes on the internet, but if Neobee was a legit stock under the jurisdiction of the SEC, all the FUD spreaders on the internet would be locked up VERY QUICKLY for the crap they have been pulling recently."

18:52

!t m s.mpoe

18:52

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00092844 / 0.00093843 / 0.00095634 (1640418 shares, 1,539.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094382 / 0.00095875 (6432706 shares, 6,071.32 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.0008648 / 0.00096 (31129876 shares, 26,921.16 BTC)

18:52

...

18:52

the amount of shares was pretty small… no one should care really

18:52

that poster has never seen pinksheet forums

18:52

Phildo lol great name

18:52

sec definitely spends its time reading yahoo finance boards o.I

18:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-]

18:53

;;google jonathan lebed

18:53

Jonathan Lebed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Lebed>; Lebed.biz |: <http://lebed.biz/>; Pump And Dump - CBS News: <http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pump-and-dump/>

18:53

so basically the shill brigade is arguing this theory whereby indefinite suspensions are a good thing.

18:53

why are they even involved in this for the love of christ.

18:53

mircea_popescu: not only do they read yahoo boards, they also go after 15 yo's

18:54

the psychology of the forum needs its own study

18:54

it's amazine really

18:54

amazing

18:54

AMAZING COMPANY!

18:54

!

18:54

ThickAsThieves: " i dont know whether he's one of the people suspected"

18:54

Suspected of what?

18:54

did you not see the statement?

18:54

isn't it basically stockholm syndrome?

18:54

JERRY: I don't even want to talk about it anymore. What were you thinking? What was going on in your mind? Artistic integrity? Where, where did you come up with that? You're not artistic and you have no integrity. You know you really need some help. A regular psychiatrist couldn't even help you. You need to go to like Vienna or something. You know what I mean? You need to get involved at the University level. Like wher

18:54

e Freud studied and have all those people looking at you and checking up on you. That's the kind of help you need. Not the once a week for eighty bucks. No. You need a team. A team of psychiatrists working round the clock thinking about you, having conferences, observing you, like the way they did with the Elephant Man. That's what I'm talking about because that's the only way you're going to get better.

18:55

yeah im just wondering what constitutes "suspicious trading activity"

18:55

maybe I should create an exchange where you can only trade if trade.value > lasttrade.value

18:55

they would love it

18:55

psterryl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#589549 is my theory.

18:56

pankkake isn't that basically the bitcoin gem "idea" ?

18:56

pankkake: that is havelock.. see RENT, see NEOBEE, see ..

18:56

psterryl, i dont think i have an answer in that regard

18:56

psterryl: http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/but-it-was-aliens.jpg

18:56

mike_c rent got suspended too ?!

18:56

not suspended

18:56

referring to new ipo at higher than market price

18:56

o but haven't you heard mike_c the market price is now near the next "i"plol price!

18:57

!t h rent

18:57

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600002 / 0.00683184 / 0.00750000 (1556 shares, 10.63033884 BTC), 7D: 0.00525000 / 0.00590396 / 0.00750000 (5321 shares, 31.41496367 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00560668 / 0.00900001 (49033 shares, 274.91242278 BTC)

18:57

!l h rent

18:57

Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.00749997 BTC [+]

18:57

mike_c there's a different problem there : if they ipo'd at same price as before they'd have a fiat dilution on their hands.

18:57

seeeeee?

18:57

and i fucking need to stop calling subsequent offerings "ipos"

18:57

this terminology. you can only ipo once! that's why they call it "initial"

18:57

one day people will be quoting this shit and laughing at me.

18:57

inb4

18:57

SPOs

18:58

spos, srsly.

18:58

ThickAsThieves no worries, hopefully LMB put out a statement at some point

18:59

3PO

18:59

i like it

18:59

2PO

18:59

reduxpo

18:59

3DO !

18:59

3PO

18:59

4PO

18:59

iam12andwhatisthispo

18:59

IPO2.0

18:59

can gravity po?

18:59

benkay: maybe it's like an acquisition rumor. why not buy all the lower priced shares if you know it's going to be forced to 75.

18:59

that doesnt really work out here

19:00

you presume people will buy at 75

19:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00094868 = 25.5669 BTC [-] {3}

19:00

kinda unlikely, no?

19:00

past shareholders aren't going to be allowed to sell at that price, mike_c

19:00

i don't presume that at all. but it's either that, or a complete scam.

19:00

i still don't understand the merger idea too well, tbh.

19:00

a random 50% pop after this new PO is announced..

19:00

megrer?

19:00

newpo

19:00

poopyo

19:00

alpo

19:00

rent guy was going to get some north carolina similar service

19:01

yeah, we discussed. read the logs already ;)

19:01

the20year2, take it from, just stop

19:01

me*

19:01

could just be buying leads, although where capital's going to come to develop them is anyone's guess-JUST KIDDING HAVELOCK

19:01

they're not even contiguous ;/

19:01

mike_c no i read them.

19:02

oh right, you explained to him that a business that just needs capital has no competitive advantages.

19:02

it's more complicated than that.

19:02

but anyway, in his case, maintaining offices in two states, he's setting himself up for the bomb

19:02

even if everything else had worked!

19:02

where's that brilliant men link ?

19:02

he's not maintaining offices. just providing capital to that other company.

19:02

it's basically a loan.

19:03

http://taoyue.com/stacks/articles/brilliant-men.html

19:03

From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com

19:03

for certain values of brilliant

19:04

worth a read.

19:10

I read it as: "I hire only those with high conscientiousness and low neuroticism"

19:12

not a bad read

19:13

neurosis correlates with intelligence about to the same effects rot correlates with wood.

19:14

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299493 = 0.146 BTC [+]

19:14

the problem is that actually accomplishing this would be racist

19:14

how would it be racist ?!

19:14

you mean, it'd mostly exclude white people ?

19:14

behavior and personality is highly heritable

19:15

certain groups, probably

19:15

race != some random group.

19:16

Whats happening with NEOBEE?

19:16

I have not been around

19:17

the point is, any test that would be given to an applicant to attempt to detect his or her conscientiousness would be illeagal, like IQ tests are (in the US)

19:17

lots of blue-collar jobs give personality tests before hiring

19:17

yeah and google gives what amount to IQ tests

19:18

which put them at risk of a civil-rights lawsuit

19:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00095278 = 10.4329 BTC [+]

19:20

Seems like a great time to buy NEOBEE

19:20

Or am I missing something here?

19:20

pankkake you know

19:20

just one of many things you are missing is that no one can buy.

19:20

I know that

19:20

But when it opens up

19:21

And why is it closed in the first place

19:21

you don't know, yet it is a great time to buy.

19:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#589429

19:21

decimation iq tests are illegal in the us ?!

19:21

#bitcoin-assets log

19:21

mike_c: I like to buy on others fear

19:22

skinnkavaj so buy some lehman.

19:22

pankkake: Thanks sir

19:22

Lol

19:23

There is a conspiracy on bitcointalk

19:23

That pankkake and mircea_popescu you are the same person

19:23

SOmething must have happened on NEOBEE

19:23

Question is what

19:24

weren't they supposed to at some point release a report ?

19:24

I was on a forum where we had this ongoing conspiracy that there really were 2-3 users on the forum and everyone else was sockpuppets

19:24

but that was for fun, mostly

19:25

mircea_popescu: Are you in bed with MPOE-PR or have I misunderstood that?

19:25

im sittin' on a chair.

19:25

oh yeah, "iq tests" are illeagal, or at least they can form the basis of a civil rights lawsuit. http://vdare.com/articles/professor-gates-officer-crowley-president-obama-and-the-new-york-fire-department

19:26

So boring when MPOE-PR on the same thread post the same link all over again, instead of debating

19:26

decimation you know it's "illegal"

19:26

the United States alleges that defendant City of New York's use of two written examinations on a pass-fail basis, as well as its rank-order processing of applicants, in the screening and selection of applicants for appointment to the rank of entry-level firefighter, has resulted in disparate impact upon black and Hispanic applicants, is not "job related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity" and does not otherwise

19:26

meet the requirements of Title VII.

19:27

pankkake: Do you have any investment in any security I check out?

19:27

yes but a) the city of new york is a public corp and b) firemen and generally blue collar workers are hardly what we were thinking about

19:27

Feels like its so boring nowadays

19:27

Nothing good to invest in

19:27

Before it was a lot more

19:27

And yet bitcoin is much bigger now

19:27

I have nothing, I took my losses from havelock just because fuck it

19:27

yeah, all very good stuff

19:27

So should be more securities

19:28

well, a private corp would open themselves up to civil suits

19:28

I'm surprised this hasn't happened with silicon valley already

19:28

pankkake: On NEOBEE or what did you have there?

19:28

on everything, I got out of neobee a while ago

19:29

I am opening a new altcoin exchange for Litecoinlocal, before I was determined that we should have fee shares and take fees on the trading

19:30

Now I have decided to offer it for free

19:30

With no fees

19:30

And no shares

19:31

I am gonna make money by offering a really simple dice game on every altcoin traded

19:31

I wounder how Huobi makes money though

19:31

Must be expensive to deposit there

19:31

Or high withdrawal fees

19:32

It's kinda fun with zero fees, to really see how much your code and server can handle in terms of total trades per second

19:33

mircea_popescu: I have never understood how MPOE works, but anyway the questionn goes how many trades can you handle per second right now?

19:40

pankkake: Progamming anything right now?

19:40

maybe

19:40

Tell me

19:44

many.

19:44

mircea_popescu: Boring answer really..

19:45

anyone saw cul de sac ? an older polanski film.

19:45

Donald Pleasence is quite good in it.

19:46

skinnkavaj: not much. no more trades on havelock, ThickAsThieves no longer running the 'fund'.

19:46

see: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/28_havelock-freezes-neobee-trading-thickasthieves-steps-down-as-fund-manager.html

19:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [+]

19:47

so how about this: www.coindesk.com/isle-man-welcomes-digital-currency-exchanges-license-required/

19:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.056399 = 0.1692 BTC [+]

19:48

bezzle -> crypto may yet fly

19:48

benkay: Didn't TAT quit managing it long time ago?

19:48

Or maybe it was asicminer

19:48

am

19:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0564 = 0.1128 BTC [+] {2}

19:49

If he quit asicminer

19:49

"confirmed that a bitcoin exchange that holds client funds with a licensed overseas payment service provider is not required to obtain a licence in the country for its activities."

19:49

Maybe he quit also NEOBEE for the same reason

19:49

sounds like the average coindesk article.

19:49

I guess he thought it was too much work

19:49

don't really think it was the work of the thing, skinnkavaj.

19:49

benkay you know i like reading your blog

19:49

he'd have said something along those lines when the forum showed up and put him through the wringer

19:50

but the viewport is too wide by now.

19:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10131 @ 0.00094546 = 9.5785 BTC [-] {2}

19:50

say it ain't so, mircea_popescu

19:50

benkay: Do you have any reason to believe it was not that reason?

19:50

skinnkavaj didja read the log ?

19:50

Not the full

19:50

Please inform me

19:50

please pay me

19:50

I have not catched up with it yet

19:50

benkay: For what gtfo

19:50

at least tell me i'm pretty

19:50

Well I can stretch to that

19:51

benkay you've not asked too many people, btw. as best i can tell they're neither a giant scam trying to run witrh a ton of btc, nor a legitimate business.

19:51

what's your read, mircea_popescu?

19:51

they're an outfit run by an incompetent if vain kid that drank the kool aid. they got some btc together, made some media buys and... that's it.

19:52

very dot-com ish really, but history is only useful to the literate.

19:52

mircea_popescu: But the original prospectus was really well thought thru

19:52

He did have a good business plan

19:52

Or else so many wouldnt invest with him

19:52

skinnkavaj ever pick up a chick that looked good at the disco only to get scared in the morning ?

19:52

skinnkavaj: are you referring to the part where they claimed they'd be able to protect cypriots from haircuts?

19:52

And I dont think much BTC business is "legal"

19:52

In fact not many business at all

19:52

Not even fiat business

19:52

Apple is still breaking the law..

19:53

you're skidding all over the place.

19:53

US law, which is not law any more by dint of outlawing the un-out-law-able.

19:53

US tax law which has put itself into the voluntary donation zone?

19:55

benkay: US tax law was put into voluntary donation zone when Bitcoin was first launched in 2009

19:55

By technical reasons

19:56

sure

19:56

USG is slowly aligning themselves with reality on the ground

19:56

mircea_popescu: Is MPOE a registred company in US or why did SEC contact you?

19:57

i imagine they contacted me because they wanted to talk.

19:57

what silly q is that.

19:58

Erik Vorhees was smart

19:58

Fake selling SD to himself

19:58

proof?

19:58

"Anonymous investor"

19:59

who did pay the shareholders then?

19:59

It's obvious when you think about it

19:59

Himself from everything he earned

19:59

He have a lot of BTC

19:59

(i don't know how much that was)

20:00

why do you think this was smart?

20:00

So he would not get into trouble and can still operate SD

20:01

I believe we will see more fake sells since it's the best option to clear your name, while still holding on to that money making machine

20:02

Which is your baby, as an entreprenour

20:03

this is pretty much nonsense.

20:03

why not enjoy the credibility of a well run asset ?

20:03

mircea_popescu: Because of legal problems obviously

20:04

i dun see what you're talking about, "obviously".

20:04

;;tslb

20:04

Time since last block: 7 minutes and 27 seconds

20:04

mircea_popescu: So you think SD is a legal service?

20:05

legal where, skinnkavaj ?

20:05

In any country of the world

20:05

dude seriously, stop.

20:05

there's no such thing as a "legal service". there's illegal stuff, and then there's the rest.

20:05

there's no "any country in the world"

20:05

you don't even know how many countries there are, in the world.

20:06

mircea_popescu: Is this your strategy in the future?

20:06

I wish you good luck, I honestly do

20:06

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249972 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}

20:06

yes, my strategy in the future is to continue to point out obvious nonsense coming my way.

20:06

who knows, maybe it somehow ends up cutting down on the general nonsense

20:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16349 @ 0.00094303 = 15.4176 BTC [-]

20:09

mircea_popescu: We live in a corrupt world you should know that

20:10

so ?

20:10

SD is not legal and neither is MPOE, but I love the fact that you are not agreeing with me on that

20:10

eh your face is not legal.

20:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00094107 = 17.2216 BTC [-] {3}

20:11

Lulz

20:12

mircea_popescu: http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/6219520-the-50th-law

20:12

I heard mpoe was the most legal of exchanges

20:13

[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1750 @ 0.0005 = 0.875 BTC [-]

20:16

mircea , is bitbet.us legal in every planet in the Milky Way?

20:17

TestingUnoDosTre: Leave him alone now I think he understood my point and I like his intentions

20:17

intentions?

20:17

his evil intergalactic intentions

20:20

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 85 @ 0.06926507 = 5.8875 BTC [-] {13}

20:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00093954 = 7.7512 BTC [-]

20:22

the most legal illegal exchange run by an asshole with good intentions

20:22

Lol

20:22

someone write the book so 50cent can make a song about the movie based on it

20:22

then we can quote its wisdom

20:23

How illegal is mpoe?

20:23

let's ipo the idea

20:23

s'il egal.

20:25

ill egalitarian.

20:26

mircea_popescu: Try listen for one minute in a clip from this audio book http://open.spotify.com/track/1ydFN3EK0bhqlzjT1cRKxR

20:26

o lookit that spotify lets you sign up with email again

20:27

guess zuck won that one in the short term and lost it in the long term

20:27

http://pagesix.com/2011/10/14/facebook-feud-outside-club/

20:27

Facebook feud outside club | Page Six

20:32

skinnkavaj learning to read spoiled me for audiobooks.

20:32

is that seriously a 50 cent produced audiobook?

20:36

"Go search deep for code (for sale) for online gambling sites.

20:36

The most expensive code packages for gambling sites have the most deceit and advanced algorithms to rip-off the gambling fool and protect the investment of the operator. The very best ones you'll never find for sale, however. These algorithms always sit on top of whatever "edge" the operator decides to take (the "edge" is the part of the tilted table some sites even openly advertise nowadays).

20:36

there's nothing better than a good conspiraci theorist.

20:37

bitcoin invented fair gambling, bitbet is a parimutuel implementation, anon forum derp comes to harp about how deceitful "sites" are.

20:37

i imagine these people followed hercules around augeas' stables complaining about all the mess he's making.

20:39

dirt_

amazing

20:39

AMAZING COMPANY!

20:41

hue hue

20:43

"Edmund Moy, the former director of the U.S. Mint who’s become an outspoken proponent of digital currencies, saw a mix of good and bad as well, but ultimately he made two cogent points: first, that this is is a rule, not a law, and there’s a difference, and, two, that it can be changed as circumstances warrant."

20:43

what is the exact difference between an IRS rule and a law?

20:46

ThickAsThieves that i get to laugh at you poor sods moar ?

20:46

but but

20:46

halp

20:46

lol

20:46

a rule you can have overturned by arguing more things before the supreme court than if it were a law.

20:47

because congress does have legislative discretion, but agencies do not.

20:47

we're talking a decade and a hundred million in either case.

20:47

most of the IRS code is law, but not the btc part. http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/code.htm

20:47

so you must break the rule to even attempt to learn it's definition?

20:47

its*

20:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00093954 = 8.268 BTC [-]

20:48

or at least "test" its definition

20:48

ThickAsThieves no, you don't have to break it to sue.

20:48

is there some argument to what is allowed to be taxed at all, and bitcoin not fitting that spectrum?

20:49

no, because the us does not recognise allodial title.

20:49

anything can be taxed.

20:49

like isnt there an underlying premise for taxes being that, for example you cant profit from a shipping company without roads, and taxes pay for roads, therefor you must pay them

20:50

no.

20:50

the USG neither provides for, nor maintains, nor creates bitocin

20:50

something seems off

20:50

that bullcrap is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

20:50

ok

20:51

it's roughly the coating in the pill, various people sprout it because you know, the slavegirl that aesthetically loves her collar isn't really as much of a slavegirl or something.

20:51

do you have an argument against the IRS rulings or you think they are sensible?

20:51

but taxes have exactly zero to do with roads.

20:51

the irs can tax anything the fuck it pleases. the reaction to taxation you dislike is leaving the jurisdiction, not arguing the point.

20:52

even then you can't escape. you have to give up citizenship.

20:52

so give up citizenship.

20:52

(course iirc, you're not allowed to do so unless you prove it's specifically NOT because you dislike the taxation system. quite the racked your owner got going there.)

20:53

and there's a fee :)

20:53

heh

20:53

surely a small price to pay

20:53

you can't imagine, on a more personal note, how fucking outlandish this is to me.

20:53

do tell

20:54

if someone told me twenty years ago i will live to honestly pity the fate of the poor us citizens i'd have laughed for the rest of the day.

20:54

and i'm not even fucking old! i'm sitting here and im thinking... holy shit now THAT must suck. what a curse to be born with.

20:55

could be worse. china is worse.

20:55

i do not believe china is currently worse.

20:55

korea is worse.

20:56

foxconn has more suicides than jpmorgan.

20:56

the breathable parts of china sound nice

20:57

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+]

20:58

foxconn has about 1000x more worker than jpmorgan

20:58

girl is out of town for the weekend. this means.....

20:58

BREAKFAST FOR DINNER

20:58

http://imgur.com/vTtb2mf

20:58

imgur: the simple image sharer

20:58

i was in guangzhou a year ago

20:59

did you like it?

20:59

mostly because i've forgotten how to cook since this one started doing it for me

20:59

i saw a few dozen dead pigs floating down a river as i was driving out of the province

20:59

i made homemade pasta sauce and meatballs last night

20:59

it was amazing, so spicy ;0

20:59

AMAZING COMPANY!

20:59

soured me on the experience

20:59

yes, the company was amazing too

20:59

AMAZING COMPANY!

21:00

yes, simply amazing

21:00

AMAZING COMPANY!

21:00

yes.

21:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06892001 = 0.6892 BTC [-] {4}

21:00

benkay you gotta learn to cook, this is embarassing.

21:00

^

21:00

easy there assbot

21:00

were the meatballs homemade

21:01

kakobrekla could assy perhaps only say amazing once an hour or something ?

21:01

AMAZING COMPANY!

21:01

i got a reputation to amazingly protect here.

21:01

AMAZING COMPANY!

21:01

lol

21:01

amazing

hi

21:01

mircea_popescu: i know how to cook!

21:02

amazing popescu

21:02

AMAZING COMPANY!

21:02

benkay you don't and i can tell just by looking at that poor excuse of a plate.

21:02

gtfo

21:02

i hand fried those potatoes

21:02

anyway like i was saying, i think some farmer had bought bad feed for his pigs and accidentally poisoned them

21:02

i have a lot more experience with noob cook chicks than you imagine my friend.

21:02

that's lashable cooking.

21:02

mircea_popescu isnt it easier to just limit nubbins` ?

21:02

what's wrong with my plate?!

21:02

kakobrekla but he's so small!

21:02

and whos going to dig a proper hole for all of those bodies? thats fucking laborious

21:03

so he put them on the back of a pickup and then dropped them off somewhere upstream

21:03

benkay it looks like someone who can't cook made it.

21:03

Mats_cd03 either that or there was a pig geyser sprout on the river bed.

21:03

bah you and your aesthetics

21:03

viewport this

21:03

arrangement of nutritive items that

21:03

tis not a matter of aesthetics.

21:04

tis a matter of i can tell if the carpenter is a noob by whether his "chair" is fucking level.

21:04

Mats_cd03 yes, the meatballs were homemade

21:04

oooooooh

21:04

id eat your homemade meatballs, nubbins`

21:04

... wink

21:04

homeball his mademeats too

21:04

kakobrekla you can't hold me down!

21:05

ok, honesty time :

21:05

i always thought nubbins are the little bumps around the nipple on an aroused areola.

21:05

i have those

21:05

stop ruining it for me.

21:05

sorry

21:05

me too.

21:05

benkay: eggs are overcooked. that yolk's gotta run.

21:05

you're too young to have areolae.

21:06

ya well, the plate was in the oven keeping the bacon warm

21:06

i did fuck the yolks up.

21:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0444 = 0.1332 BTC [-]

21:06

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06887978 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {2}

21:06

he thinks he can cute :D so adowable!

21:06

s/cute/cooke

21:06

keep going

21:06

alright fine you got me

21:06

the potatoes look raw

21:06

horrible cooking dude

21:06

i'm an engineer

21:06

*

benkay throws up his hands

21:06

are you a c0k engineer ?

21:07

i mean c00k

21:07

its impressive you havent accidentally poisoned yourself yet

21:07

coke, but you know

21:07

Mats_cd03: he hasn't eaten it yet :)

21:07

Mats_cd03 well if he ends up in east river...

21:07

by the looks of it its deliberate

21:07

benkay gf comes home from her trip, finds dead pigglet, hauls him to pickup truck

21:07

(they have a pickup in ny!)

21:08

i love you guys too.

21:09

sad truth is i'm fishing for a second housekeeper cum cock sucker

21:09

i guess the assettes don't deliver?

21:09

mo i'm going to poison myself

21:09

well then your cum'd be poisonous.

21:09

i don't know the difference between brotein and carboderprates

21:10

hahaha

21:10

mircea_popescu: re: earlier thing: 'griggs vs. duke power co.'

21:10

;;google griggs vs duke power co.

21:10

Griggs v. Duke Power Co. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.>; Landmark: Griggs v. Duke Power Co. | NAACP LDF: <http://www.naacpldf.org/case/griggs-v-duke-power-co>; Griggs v. Duke Power Company | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago ...: <http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1970/1970_124>

21:10

sup benkay?

21:10

girl left

21:10

i can't cook

21:10

halp

21:10

i entirely passed out earlier D:

21:10

oh jesus

21:10

asciilifeform yeah but that's ability to perform the job, you know ?

21:10

do you have a toaster

21:11

no toasters are convenience tools of the devil

21:11

also i live in murka and have to compromise on counterspace

21:11

moiety> do you have a toaster <<< ahaha fucken epic.

21:11

benkay "halp halp i need to cook" moiety, always motherly, starts small. "toaster ?"

21:12

this isn't funny mircea_popescu i'm going to die

21:12

prexactly - convenience. i think toasters are good because they have a timer, you cant burn the house down. please buy one

21:12

death is kinda funny...

21:12

yeah normally i'm into snuff too but today it's meeeee

21:12

so wait! benkay was shooting for two girls but in the end his one had enough and now he's... mancooking ?

21:12

o this is cartoon worthy

21:13

I'M MANSPLAINING THE KITCHEN TO MYSELF

21:13

wait, you mean properly left? not just away for the weekend?

21:13

no its just for the weekend

21:13

Shiiit, ltcponzi 500 ltc in 40 minutes :/

21:13

WAIT NO HALP

21:13

MOTHERLY INSTINCTS ENGAGE

21:13

oh i was gonna say you need to get a microwave too

21:13

moiety so far he thinks it's temporary.

21:14

benkay: http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe/305/Honey-Pecan-Pralines how2cookthings

21:14

Fack

21:14

Gotta start going this lol

21:14

Mats_cd03: that has sugar in it

21:14

are you diabetic

21:14

i will be if i cook myself goddamn pralines all the time

21:14

"how to become diabetic in three easy steps"

21:14

bake?

21:14

does one cook or bake pralines?

21:14

it was mostly the website and not the link, but i do love me some pralines

21:14

bake, bitch an' gargle

21:15

mircea_popescu: re: griggs: this was one of those cases that ended in creating a 'talmudic wall' (as the hassid jews call this situation)

21:15

is baking

21:15

fuck baking

21:15

asciilifeform so it was.

21:15

not until recently did anyone dare to give even vaguely intellectual puzzles to potential hires

21:15

so much time

21:15

youll live longer if you eat baked goods

21:15

because of the 'disparate impact' (actual legal term) standard established by griggs

21:15

(ianal!)

21:15

(over range-top cooking of meats)

21:16

me, i'm trying to live forever

21:16

qwebirc471694

fact: bears eat beets

21:16

asciilifeform and of course it is, as always, based on the commerce clause.

21:16

eh, forever's overrated

21:16

one almost dares hope that a wholesale repeal of commerce clause jurisprudence may fix teh us

21:16

mircea_popescu: as is virtually everything done by usg post-fdr

21:16

that's like hoping for a cancellation of ckkpss. oh wait.

21:17

mircea_popescu: never going to happen.

21:17

ok so benkay do you have any little hard yellow shaped things in the kitchen that look like this? http://siciliangirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Fusilli_pasta.jpg

21:17

haw

21:17

:P

21:17

there are hard things in the kitchen for sure

21:17

dunno bout past

21:17

pasta

21:17

qwebirc471694: excellent fact

21:17

benkay gimme the heavenly forge for a week, it'll happen.

21:17

qwebirc471694

ahhh I'm losing my name

21:17

hm, am i the only one that knows what the heavenly forge is ?

21:17

benkay, this is worse than i thought. just phone a pizza for now

21:18

i looked it up on google and the second link was 'fanfiction.net'

21:18

mircea_popescu: what are you on about

21:18

there we go

21:18

the heavenly forge is this quill

21:18

order a pizza and put in a toaster

21:19

so the heavenly forge is definitely fan fiction right?

21:19

and whatever it writes, is the future.

21:19

kakobrekla: you are a man too huh

21:19

lol kako. i agree.

21:19

can i get a pizza with bacon on it?

21:19

;;google "nor all your piety nor wit"

21:19

Edward FitzGerald (poet) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edward_FitzGerald_(poet)>; The Moving Finger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moving_Finger>; Omar Khayyám - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayy%C3%A1m>

21:19

aha that one

21:19

benkay from dominos, yep

21:19

everyone in usa knows that one

21:19

because of clinton

21:19

please redirect all things which are bacon to benkay

21:19

moiety i did came through didnt it.

21:19

asciilifeform lol

21:19

it's true!

21:20

i don't need all the bacon sheesh that'd be greedy now

21:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2964 @ 0.00093954 = 2.7848 BTC [-]

21:20

*

moiety nods at kakobrekla - just a wee bit

21:20

benkay trade it for sum bitches

21:20

dem bitches looooove that bacon

21:20

didn't we have some bacon ritz yesterday?

21:20

should i register a gpg key in addition to bitcoin address for wot or is a bitcoin address enough?

21:20

'the moving finger writes, and having writ...'

21:20

men: toasters, youredoinitwrong

21:20

ah yes squirtable bacon

21:21

"come here baby let me squirt some bacon on you. mircea popescu said bitches love bacon."

21:21

cazalla: more other way around, key>address

21:21

http://www.perfectfry.com/products/spinfresh/ centrifugal deep fat fryer for that delicious crisp layer of chicken...

21:21

SPINFRESH Automatic Fryer - Perfect Fry Company

21:22

moiety: thanks, time to learn this gpg stuff i guess

21:22

cazalla both work

21:22

cazalla: use BingoBoingo's guide. best way, one sec

21:22

cazalla you don't need to put bitcoin address into wot

21:22

in fact, might not be a great idea

21:22

addrs and identities are two separate extremes on the spectrum

21:23

addrs disposable

21:23

identities inso

21:23

you can change them anyway.

21:23

log in with either, update the other as needed.

21:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00094071 = 8.4194 BTC [+]

21:23

naw

21:23

gpg for comms, btc for $$$

21:23

which one was the BingoBoingo guide?

21:23

;;google drinking record gpg

21:23

PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>

21:24

http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/

21:24

PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog

21:24

see lol i slow

21:24

we'll larn you yet

21:25

got distracted saving tabs... ironically to speed up browser

21:26

couldn't you have a couple of people using an address though?

21:26

moiety!

21:27

it's not a bed.

21:28

if i just missed something glaringly obvious, forgive me, i did just wake up. I've shared an address before, is all

21:28

http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f682dcd8f4949c2fe5e445c3fec309b/tumblr_mku8c5CGgv1r7s4ouo1_1280.jpg

21:28

anyone know the car brand ?

21:28

trabamborghini

21:28

moiety: this'd be more like sharing toothbrush.

21:28

moiety how've you shared an address, ye hussy!

21:29

benkay the badge is right there! citroen

21:29

and for the site. me + dev had access

21:30

well it's not really how they're supposed to work.

21:30

so don't do that.

21:30

make two or w/e.

21:30

and wd on the citroen! it may be a trabamborghini, but it's the french trabamborghini.

21:30

trabazerati.

21:31

thats fair enough, i was just at that point having everything done for me

21:31

asciilifeform if you're going there, trapzderati

21:32

lol

21:32

citroens arent very good though

21:32

better than vauxhalls.

21:32

very true

21:32

also, citroen>renault if we are keeping to french

21:33

everything over vauxhall (unless its a ford)

21:36

moiety: you might be the first person with a good reason to implement m of n signing

21:36

lol doge m of n

21:38

i don't personally doge, well i mined 41 to learn the process. such wealth.

21:38

are there any alts which one can mine with a cpu and at least get a few?

21:39

dage i gather, but does that still hold true?

21:39

plenty, in the beginning at least, all the galters are cpu poolers too

21:39

maybe the infinitely inflating currencies live on in the processors of cpus and gpus

21:39

as their value decreases, so does hashpower from professionals applied against them.

21:40

haha

21:42

are scrypt asics a thing yet?

21:43

tg2: ^^

21:43

PObro

kncMiner has some scrypt miners for Q2/Q3 this year.

21:44

PObro

w

21:45

Gridseeds are out already

21:45

knc is gonna kill it though

21:45

moiety: at least one company I've seen are claiming to be shipping a scrypt asic

21:46

have a good evening, everyone!

21:47

I hope scrypt responds poorly to Asic difficulty hike

21:47

though I thought the memory requirements of scrypt is what made it inefficient to try to solve with an asic.

21:47

Less efficient

21:47

still 50x more than gpu lol

21:47

gotcha

21:48

Vs 1000x more with sha256 asics

21:48

cads: great, a bfl v2?!

21:48

bfl?

21:48

vertcoin is the only hope for no-asic and I'm sure it will happen

21:48

Their implementation is dumb

21:49

Big Fucking Liars aka Butterfly Labs

21:49

Knc is legit though

21:49

has no researcher investigated mixed hash approaches?

21:49

Cads, look into x11 cpins

21:49

Coins* namely darkcoin

21:50

why this mega-interest in coins optimized for botnet mining?

21:50

Lol

21:50

jborkl

Wtf is going on in here

21:50

Cause botters dos exchanges to make $

21:50

lol, x11's site begins "With professional Scrypt mining hardware on the way it is time to look for the best alternative hashing solution that will keep crypto currency within reach of everyone."

21:50

'cpu optimized' == 'botnet optimized'

21:50

what part of this is a secret

21:50

asciilifeform: nice

21:50

I hadn't thought that

21:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00093923 = 18.5968 BTC [-] {2}

21:51

Even gpu is swarm friendly

21:51

right

21:51

35% of systems have discrete gpu

21:51

Including phones

21:51

because kids/manchildren with hefty gaming gpus

21:51

actually, as a purely academic point, does anyone know a hash that is genuinely cpu-favourable ?

21:51

heterogeneity of gpu makes the bot artist's job tricky

21:51

none of this ram ostrich bs

21:52

asciilifeform: I would use haskell

21:52

americans: do you have a gov site dedicated to people records?

21:52

mircea_popescu: cpu-friendly vs. what?

21:52

moiety no, they don't have central government.

21:52

asciilifeform basically, a huge lot of control instructions somehow

21:52

easy.

21:52

here's a simple one

21:52

god it would be so great to find out these guys actually use next generation compiler tech to specialize their viruses to the hardware :)

21:53

encode payload as bits on a grid, and run cellular automaton

21:53

e.g. langton's ant

21:53

*

cads hates not knowing what's going on in the criminal sector of computer science

21:53

o yeah

21:53

or 'life'

21:53

ty mircea_popescu

21:53

yeah srsly, graph anything. good point

21:53

would it hold as a hash tho

21:53

say, 1e8-th state is the hash.

21:53

or rather, a conventional cryptographic hash thereof

21:53

(of the grid bits)

21:53

a right

21:53

no good reason not to chain them

21:54

to make it 'asic-hostile', demand an outlandishly large grid.

21:54

then again, at least for life there are purely math algos

21:54

there's exactly one - 'hashlife'

21:54

well a bunch of derivations but ok

21:55

http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html

21:55

asciilifeform: is hashlife hard or surprisingly easy to understand?

21:55

surprisingly easy

21:55

langton's ant is a bit more interesting

21:55

in that the answer is very compact

21:55

it's not hard.

21:55

the ant always ends up 'building a road'

21:55

the output of the 'hash' can be 'starting on which move'

21:56

this doesn't require you to hash the entire playing field

21:56

looking up "hash life" on youtube got me to a video by "Swag Sensei"

21:56

and there is presently no known means of predicting, other than by running the ant, when the bridge will be built

21:56

and there is, afaik, no proof that it is always built

21:56

but no known counter-example either.

21:56

oh it's just smart memoization

21:57

everyone is invited to try it

21:57

durp

21:57

nothing like stochastic/predictive?

21:57

*

cads reads on

21:57

;;google langton's ant

21:57

Langton's ant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_ant>; Langton's Ant - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-gtr4pEBU>; Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld: <http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LangtonsAnt.html>

21:59

incidentally, hashlife starts grinding to sub-naive speed if your playing field is complex

21:59

(highly entropic)

21:59

because it no longer compresses.

21:59

given that GOL is proven turing-complete, it would follow that there is no generic shortcut to nth-state

22:00

unless p == np

22:00

(and possibly not even then)

22:00

samO_

haven't had internet conn. for almost two days! nearly lost my mind... :D what happend in the mean time, anything significant?

22:01

one could make an arbitrarily hardware-unfriendly 'hash' using automata, merely by demanding a large and well-entropic (crypto hash of payload, bit-spread) playing field

22:01

and a turing-complete automaton

22:01

the fuck is up with havelock

22:01

I have a useful distributed work coin project on the burner

22:01

shit dont even work properly anymore

22:01

useless site

22:01

make the field large enough, and everyone is reduced to swapping to disk!

22:01

gonna be better than wasting hashes on nothing

22:02

(why anyone should wish this is another question.)

22:02

samO_

also, is there a chat log history of this channel somewhere? thx!

22:02

Just Google your username

22:03

Who admins havelock

22:03

Niggas need some help

22:04

Not even a heavy site to lift

22:04

paging herr doktor wolfram!

22:04

who loves stealing useless ideas

22:05

let him steal this one!

22:05

;;google wolfram batshit egomania

22:05

Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: <http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/>; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: <http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html>; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: <http://www.math.usf.edu/~eclark/ANKOS_reviews.html>

22:05

there we go.

22:06

samO_ who'd you be ?

22:07

;;topic

22:07

http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

22:11

proposed algo, for those who insist:

22:11

take j x k bit playing field.

22:11

fill bits, in sequence, with sha2(xxx), then sha2(sha2(xxx)).... until field is full

22:12

then run langton's ant, starting from the middle of the field

22:12

output is an integer, N

22:12

;;later tell benkay "One cannot issue ratings until one is rated oneself. This is a useful feature that prevents a lot of misuse of the system. If scammers cannot stuff the WoT database with their sockpuppets, they cannot artificially inflate their ratings. Granted, the mechanism is weak and easily gamed, but the simple presence of a barrier reduces much malfeasance." this made no sense. you know it made no sense. why

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is it there then !?

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The operation succeeded.

22:12

corresponding to 'bridge is being built'

22:13

alternatively, run 'life' on the entire field, for M moves, and output is sha(field)

22:13

in fact!

22:13

you can have difficulty scale as... the size of the field.

22:13

as i said above.

22:14

a you did ?

22:14

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590936

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#bitcoin-assets log

22:14

what i mean is

22:14

the mining difficulty parameter is not some arbitrary zerofill

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but the size of the field to compute.

22:14

well yes.

22:14

that'd be how it has to be.

22:15

now all you need is a reason to actually do this.

22:15

how many numbers are the product of two others ?

22:15

all nonprimes basically huh.

22:15

not incl. 1?

22:15

in fact you can allow life on a 1 wide grid couldn't you

22:15

certainly

22:16

although it would need to be called something else

22:16

yeah, i think the lowest would be 3 ? or 5 ?

22:16

maybe 5.

22:16

most possible cellular automata degenerate to a steady state rather than give the kind of 'soup' one normally looks for.

22:17

(yet another 'discovery' by people long ago that herr W claimed for himself)

22:21

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/28/white-house-looks-to-regulate-cow-flatulence-as-part-of-climate-agenda/#ixzz2xHqYITaT

22:21

White House regulate cow flatulence climate agenda | The Daily Caller

22:22

so long as you use an automaton that has been proven turing-complete, and use a reasonably entropic starting field state, you're pretty much safe from shortcuts

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and people are stuck having to compute the state transitions for the whole field, as many times as specified

22:23

unless p == np, rocks fall, crypto dies

22:23

likewise, scaling the difficulty in time and space becomes trivial.

22:24

moiety: that gpg guide is good, this was much easier than i thought it would be

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cazalla: yeah definately, i got the live version :D he is a very good sensei

22:26

anyone who has the apparently common distaste for the asic folks should give this some thought.

22:28

morning dudes

22:29

asciilifeform: did you read tg2's analysis of sha-356 asics vs scrypt asics on bitcointalk?

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256*

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MisterE: nope. i pretty much never see bitcointalk

22:29

it's realy good and concise

22:29

except when linked here - and even then, every 50th time or so

22:29

yea from what I can tell its mostly trash

22:29

I will find it

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trash mixed with gold

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but mostly trash

22:30

any surprises therein for folks who understand the algos?

22:30

gold mixed with comedy

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but mostly comedy

22:30

stompysteve

anyone got any info on neo and whats going on past they stopped trading due to sus activity

22:31

stompysteve read the log will you.

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stompysteve

sorry

22:31

who had that link ?

22:31

sha-356!?

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asciilifeform: probably not for you it's about the state of and medium-term future of hardware and mfgr. proceses

22:32

stompysteve http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#589431

22:32

the ideal botnet-optimized (i.e. what scrypt wants to be) algo is described above.

22:33

MisterE so link it

22:33

searching my logs now

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oh it's on litecointalk thats why didn't find it right away... [2014-03-27T12:19:20+0700] <tg2> https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=17948.0 // Discourse welcome!

22:37

;;google heusser satcoin

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SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html>; Proof of concept code for SAT-based bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/12/30/satcoin-code.html>; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: <https://github.com/jheusser/satcoin>

22:38

Yeah knc updated their numbers, I should update the post

22:38

'Current/Next gen bitcoin/sha256 asics are already at the forefront of manufacturing process, they cannot get more power efficient without waiting for a new manufacturing process to be available (14nm)' << nah

22:38

tg2 you realise people wouldn't build the ram as part of the asic do you ?

22:38

why brute force. it's like nobody gives a rat's arse enough to even try

22:38

They went for the "less ram faster latency" approach

22:39

hence 'lifecoin'. you're stuck with the RAM

22:39

I stand by my analysis though that it won't be near as prolific as sha256

22:39

nearly as prolific as bitcoin miners they will never be

22:39

Although knc sure is trying to prove me wrong lol

22:39

and won't depreciate so quickly like sha-256 2nd gen

22:39

the reason, of course, is that bitcoin is worth three to four degrees of magnitude more.

22:40

I heard knc was not reliable and they have had a lot of delivery misses int he past?

22:40

MisterE not as bad as all that.

22:40

ok

22:40

They are probably one of the best right now

22:40

they also mine so there is a conflict of interest iirc?

22:40

Hashfast are clowns

22:40

oh, perhaps I'm confused with another 3 letter mfgr?

22:40

They assemble them out of house

22:41

at a workshop 5 minutes from my office

22:41

i've always wondered if folks interested in mining despite the negative ROI are really just looking to convert fiat to btc by whatever means possible.

22:41

Yeah I think that's a way to look at it

22:41

asciilifeform how about the people who "invest" despite negative roi ?

22:41

Don't forget gpu's hold some value

22:42

shit even shoddy first gen sha fpga's are still being sold lol

22:42

and generate transactions that help keep the network healthy

22:42

rational behaviour isn't exactly the rule.

22:42

BTC still has a gold rush mentality that personally I dont think is doing speculators any favors

22:42

think of it this way - some people are prepared to pay double, triple, the 'usual' cost for btc, so long as they aren't using an exchange

22:42

esp. americans

22:43

smart ones supply the miners and speculators

22:43

;;d

22:43

Error: "d" is not a valid command.

22:43

not everyone has an 'otc' vendor that they're willing to trust

22:43

say wahat gribble?

22:43

.d

22:43

5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1326 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.9722% in 7d 17h 34m 28s

22:43

asciilifeform: the mining centers I've read abotu who are doing it right have paid back their investments within months

22:43

asciilifeform those people trade otc.

22:44

there was just the article in Ars abotu the guy who controls ~10% of hash rate

22:44

MisterE: large concerns with ready access to the latest widgets, sure.

22:44

well i guess, but it's becoming edge-r and edge-r

22:44

the poor schmucks buying thirdhand asic, not so much

22:44

but medium - small guys are throwing money away?

22:44

lol ok

22:44

it's really very hit and miss.

22:44

but there's a standpoint from which it makes sense to buy a junk miner

22:45

"large concerns" that thought they had access to the latest widgets expected to come out... november 2012 are mostly bankrupt today

22:45

yea tg2 does a good job explaining that depreciation, expecially of 2nd gen sha-256 asics

22:45

mircea_popescu: that'd be because the only way to have reliable access to latest xxx is to... build it

22:45

Yeah I pitty anybody who dropped btc on a bfl product

22:45

MisterE it's a theory. it's not outrageously or massively wrong, but im not too persuaded.

22:45

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/

22:45

Meet the manic miner who wants to mint 10% of all new bitcoins | Ars Technica

22:46

Even the "next gen" 600gh is garbage

22:46

asciilifeform not even. more builders went out of business than stayed in.

22:46

yea BFL really scammed a lot

22:46

my buddy ordered a 10mh box and was shopped a 7mh box

22:46

some people will spend 2K usd to get 1 btc, if it means they don't have to bend over for 'aml' crapola or trust someone

22:46

ahh, remember the days when am was derping about "having 30% of all hashing for a year"

22:46

they are being sued

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a lot

22:46

it was.... six months ago ?

22:47

asciilifeform someone they'll still be trusting.

22:47

I honestly think they started out with the goal of scamming and then btc blew up so fast lol

22:47

unless they're taking a microscope to the box, who's to say what's in there ?

22:47

think 'silk road' and 'why didn't they just go to the dark alley to buy the coke'

22:47

well performance doesn't lie heh

22:47

plus I thing it was stamped on the box

22:47

I hope this Canadian class action against gox bears some fruit

22:47

anyway, i'm off. take it easy all.

22:48

BFL could not deliver the product my buddy ordered and instead of refunding sent a lesser spec

22:48

from this crackpot theory, mining doesn't need to have much +EV so long as it isn't too far in the minus.

22:48

I'm glad they decided to do it, they were on the fence about it for a few days

22:48

you mean https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447869151756161025 ?

22:48

I hope they all do

22:49

I heard they were being sued the first time a couple months ago but that also people were lining up to file

22:49

Ain't nobody spending 2k for 1 btc lol

22:49

no matter how shady

22:49

tg2: many 'home' miners end up doing just that.

22:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00094137 = 11.2964 BTC [+] {2}

22:50

I made a big buy (for me) at 500 yesterday

22:50

Not by intent

22:50

I have 250k of gpus running

22:50

tg2: that's what i was wondering. perhaps it isn't always accidental

22:50

dat cheap hydro

22:50

it goes out in pieces to the electric company

22:50

And most of it was bought with btc mined from a single 5970 lol

22:50

so if they can amortize it spending 2k on a BTC is acceptable I guess.

22:51

heh yea think of that scale jump

22:51

My thoughts are, my power costs me .05c

22:51

Cdn$

22:51

you got hydro?

22:51

or nukes in the back yard?

22:51

in US you get cheap power if you live nearish a nuke plant

22:51

Rate m power

22:51

I bought some at 500 as well

22:52

pissed because I made a small purchase around 400...

22:52

yea I see a lot of support at 500 TestingUnoDosTre

22:52

plus cheap cooling most of the year

22:52

all the bad BTC news lately hasn't budged it at all

22:52

very good sign

22:52

I see a lot of don't really care how things pan out over the next 2-3 months

22:53

tg2: the successful miners of the future will have to monetize that heat

22:53

People in cali and uk already losing money

22:53

US miners are going to have to evade taxs or more out

22:53

Umm already doing something with my 600,000 btu lol

22:53

move*

22:53

what you doing tg2 ?

22:54

Have grass growing outside in the middle of February

22:54

I mean hell you can just well insulate and heat your house if you live in a colder place

22:54

lolol :)

22:54

While it's -20C out

22:54

xdotcommer

weather is changing

22:54

you so high roller

22:54

It's to much heat for a house

22:54

in 20 years you;ll have to run an a/c for your February lawn heh

22:55

almost 200,000 W

22:55

damn

22:55

With darkcoin about 110kw

22:55

I'm thining of the centralized boilers in NYC that heat several blocks

22:55

You can recycle it

22:55

as scale of rigs increase a colo facility that makes use of that heat in a similar way would be interesting

22:56

I tried to make a deal with a golf dome to heat it for free over the winter

22:56

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MisterE needs to learn about darkcoin

22:56

thats the kind of thinking out of the box I'm talking about!

22:57

any inroads?

23:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00094266 = 15.6482 BTC [+] {3}

~ 16 minutes ~

23:26

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MisterE killed the chat :/

23:27

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=546338.0;topicseen

23:27

Auroracoin - Forked and Game Over

23:27

top kek

23:29

"Luke is that you?

23:29

" lol'd

23:29

is it even sha?

23:30

no idea

23:34

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2537 @ 0.00011999 = 0.3044 BTC [+] {2}

23:37

iceland is now for sale

23:38

thanks auroracoin

23:39

heh

23:40

VanCleef, interested by some island land ?

23:42

hah it's already forked. that's fun.

23:42