Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-02-11 | 2014-02-13 → ↓
00:03 moiety benkay: what have you done, im watching all these spider vids now
00:07 KRS-One F'n cookie clicker.
00:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008645 = 10.2876 BTC [-] {2}
00:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 79 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3713 BTC [-] {3}
00:10 asciilifeform moiety: 0-40W, there's an analogue knob.
00:10 mircea_popescu so a palestinian jew, snowden and obama walk into a bar
00:10 mircea_popescu and the bartender goes "what is this, a joke ?"
00:11 asciilifeform moiety: 'when used as prescribed,' beam lives in the box.
00:11 mircea_popescu moiety are you complaining it takes too long ?!
00:12 moiety ah kk promise i'll stop with the laser interrogation now asciilifeform XD
00:12 moiety mircea_popescu: no! seemed a lot shorter than the chipug one!
00:12 asciilifeform moiety: these are fairly common, off-the-shelf widgets. you can buy them, ~1k usd.
00:13 mircea_popescu anyway, yes, you're basically bruteforcing the hash function
00:13 mircea_popescu exactly like mining, takes time to find a block
00:13 benkay mining, but with only the reward of a shiny address.
00:13 asciilifeform if you often have occasion to make very fine cuts in thin materials.
00:14 moiety i could find occasion asciilifeform
00:15 benkay asciilifeform: http://www.synova.ch/
00:15 moiety so i'm mining again.... look at me, I'm growing
00:16 asciilifeform benkay: that'd be the 'adult' version.
00:16 mircea_popescu http://www.pidjin.net/2013/10/17/start-me-up/
00:16 ozbot Start me up « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.
00:16 asciilifeform benkay: i'd love one, but where to put the truck-sized instrument.
00:16 moiety meh build a house around it
00:17 mircea_popescu build a pool around it
00:17 moiety LOL i like this pidgin comic
00:18 mircea_popescu then host mtv's annual "one thousand derpy chicks in bikinis doing the undulation-on-the-spot" thing
00:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11379 @ 0.00086362 = 9.8271 BTC [-] {2}
00:19 asciilifeform moiety: it'll go in my Mobile Oppression Palace (tm).
00:19 asciilifeform http://theinfosphere.org/Mobile_Oppression_Palace
00:19 ozbot Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki
00:19 benkay back in my semi days i had major wood for the synova machines
00:21 asciilifeform the bigger cutters tend to have circulating (vs. sealed) lasing gas, which is a royal bitch.
00:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10467 @ 0.00086288 = 9.0318 BTC [-] {2}
00:21 asciilifeform perhaps some hero, somewhere, has fit one in a 30 m^2 flat, but not me.
00:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it occurs to me that rather than having a precision mounted, high power supercolimated laser to blind pilots half mile away at the cost of about a million or so
00:22 mircea_popescu one could just as well fire an anti-tank missile.
00:23 asciilifeform strela.
00:23 mircea_popescu as far as my memory serves those things do customarily bridge a half mile gap
00:23 mircea_popescu and they don't make armored airplanes just yet
00:23 asciilifeform or 'strela-blok', the automatic/unmanned version.
00:23 moiety lol naturally! perfect place asciilifeform
00:23 mircea_popescu cost per shot is like what, 7k ?
00:23 asciilifeform brilliant simplicity, unmanned aerial 'mine.'
00:24 asciilifeform (more or less simply 'strela' with the seek-trigger taped down.)
00:24 mircea_popescu moar like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumbar
00:25 asciilifeform if the plane is in musket range, sure.
00:26 mircea_popescu 1km
00:26 mircea_popescu the whole thing is like 20 lbs, you can carry three.
00:27 asciilifeform wire guide. you need a skilled user.
00:27 mircea_popescu not as skilled as someone firing the laser.
00:27 benkay thrust vectoring!
00:27 mircea_popescu and besides... the plane is not as hard to hit as a barn
00:31 asciilifeform no big feat of high tech, to break a defenseless flying bus.
00:31 mircea_popescu indeed.
00:31 mircea_popescu even if you miss it you got a good chance of downing it
00:31 asciilifeform even a toy chopper in the intake might be problematic.
00:31 asciilifeform as we will probably learn one day
00:32 mircea_popescu throw pigeons at the pilot
00:32 asciilifeform 'frozen goose test'
00:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 625 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}
00:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7648 @ 0.00086485 = 6.6144 BTC [+]
00:34 mircea_popescu so where is the big scare about all the people with their ATM systems within 2 miles of airports ?
00:34 mircea_popescu seems a lot more practical to fly a RC plane carring a load of cherry bombs into a plane than to aim laser pointers at the cockpit
00:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14194 @ 0.00017699 = 2.5122 BTC [-] {5}
00:35 chetty They are working on it, searching cars and stuff. Pretty soon no cars withing 2miles of airport (hmm bitbet fodder)
00:36 mircea_popescu the strella-mounted segway
00:37 asciilifeform toy chopper + several ir bolometers (as used in burglar alarms.)
00:37 asciilifeform poor man's strela.
00:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0008695 = 8.175 BTC [+]
00:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}
00:41 chetty << waves at the NSA guy recording
00:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-]
00:48 mircea_popescu o wait. i remember now. strela was the only portion of iraq's revolutionary guard that actually did any damage whatsoever
00:48 mircea_popescu there were what, a dozen or two planes lost to the... 5 batteries they had ?
00:49 benkay better kill rate than the Boeing batteries...
00:52 chetty http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556586/Reach-sky-Overzealous-Heathrow-security-officials-confiscate-Toy-Story-cowboy-Woody-DOLLS-miniature-gun.html
00:52 ozbot Reach for the sky Overzealous Heathrow security officials confiscate Toy Story cowboy Woody DOLL'S m
00:55 moiety lol@dailymail
00:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00086339 = 7.8568 BTC [-] {2}
00:57 chetty somebody make guncoin!
00:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1292 @ 0.000475 = 0.6137 BTC [+] {2}
00:58 mircea_popescu wow yeah, no ammocoin ?
01:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00086725 = 33.4759 BTC [+] {2}
01:09 moiety lolol i love scotland https://twitter.com/ailsabm/status/433154320029454336/photo/1
01:12 benkay you live in scotland, i gather moiety?
01:12 moiety yep benkay
01:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00086745 = 7.4167 BTC [+]
01:12 moiety i can send you some really nice whiskey lol
01:12 mircea_popescu http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-grid-attack-20140211,0,7627269.story
01:12 ozbot Sophisticated but low-tech power grid attack baffles authorities - latimes.com
01:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^
01:12 benkay pleaes do
01:13 mircea_popescu they be hiring armed guards soon
01:13 benkay ah good the privitization of the North American polizei will begin shortly
01:14 mircea_popescu helps the economy anyway
01:14 mircea_popescu if 100 mn people shuffle paper, 100mn people prop rifles guarding them and the rest do laundry, moccacinos and babysitting for the other two groups
01:14 mircea_popescu the dollar can go but up up up.
01:16 mircea_popescu " The FBI is still working the case, and agents say they are confident it was not the work of terrorists.
01:16 mircea_popescu What they do not have is a motive, fingerprints or suspects."
01:16 mircea_popescu here's a free theory : silicon valley entertains these delusions of fighting the bitcoin republic.
01:17 mircea_popescu i hope i'm not too late for the theory parade.
01:24 benkay implying these were bitterrists?
01:24 mircea_popescu not implying anything at all
01:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4239 @ 0.00086271 = 3.657 BTC [-]
01:24 mircea_popescu merely observing that if the us holds no bitcoin, the continued existence of the us is of no further importance.
01:25 mircea_popescu wanna-be leaders are playing with their own future and that's about all.
01:32 benkay eh
01:32 benkay the smart ones are long
01:32 benkay all local power structures are in for a serious shakeup
01:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00017445 = 0.157 BTC [-] {4}
01:39 mircea_popescu can't hurt anything.
01:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: power grid shenanigan is old news. pinged you when it went public.
01:43 moiety that gold crackhead actually broke imgur. still cant get it to load...and i never even saw her!
01:43 mircea_popescu certainly, old news.
01:43 mircea_popescu moiety maybe it's banned in your country ?
01:43 asciilifeform either an 'own goal' (the finest security theatre) or a 'floor model.'
01:43 moiety i usually use it.... must be the crack element
01:44 asciilifeform given the almost total lack of english-language news coverage of the event, probably #2.
01:44 asciilifeform like that chinese rocket test off the CA coast.
01:46 asciilifeform it's a horse head on a pillow. demo.
01:47 asciilifeform that, or GRU lives, and it's #1 beautifully masquerading as #2.
01:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086 = 3.44 BTC [-]
01:48 mircea_popescu lol
01:49 mircea_popescu nobody's gassing anybody dood. the times when men were men and stuff happened are long gone.
01:49 mircea_popescu now the downside of dumping the entire bulk of us secrets on the open market is... well... you won't get any ice in your soda. THATLL TEACH YOU!
01:50 mircea_popescu sort-of like how kramer removed the dessicant packets from some store.
01:51 mircea_popescu so sony bonds are now junk
01:51 mircea_popescu who'd have thought this, sony, the king&queen of foundries, the master of entertainment
01:52 moiety [imgur worked]
01:53 benkay link?
01:53 mircea_popescu ;;later mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17.
01:53 gribble Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mike_c" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
01:53 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17.
01:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:54 moiety http://i.imgur.com/kqrYBFI.jpg
01:54 BingoBoingo In the coming decades there will probably be some "Japanese Syndrome" appearing in scholarly paper supposing something or another explains Sony. I doubt it will get to the root cause which is the Japanese fucking drought.
01:54 moiety oh dear god whats wrong with her face
01:54 mircea_popescu and a book value per share of roughly twice the share price. incredible.
01:55 mircea_popescu moiety cocksucking does that eventually.
01:57 moiety i think my laptop was trying to protect me by blocking imgur
01:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0694 = 0.4858 BTC [-] {2}
01:58 cazalla it's goldmember
01:58 cazalla hish farja
01:58 mircea_popescu cazalla has it lol. bitcoin floundation gold member.
01:58 moiety lol!
02:02 moiety what's happened with BTCe? 40k?
02:03 moiety they've said they aren't covering it
02:04 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r82hw/if_you_lose_your_email_provider_all_of_your_coins/
02:04 ozbot IF YOU LOSE YOUR EMAIL PROVIDER ALL OF YOUR COINS ON BTC-E WILL BE LOST : Bitcoin
02:04 mircea_popescu derp security model : why use gpg keys ? use emails instead!
02:04 mircea_popescu just as good...
02:05 Duffer1 top comment "I dont recommend anyone to hold their money in one exchange but 3 different"
02:06 moiety thank you mircea_popescu
02:06 Duffer1 moiety 40k?
02:06 moiety they are saying they have been hacked to the tune of 40,000btc
02:07 Duffer1 where are they saying this?
02:08 moiety oh wait, im getting told from someone else. the wallet the alleged hacker has, has 40k in it
02:08 Duffer1 ah
02:08 moiety that's what i hated most about being scammed. i could see where it went and couldn't do anything about it
02:09 Duffer1 how much did you get taken for?
02:09 moiety 1.6 btc
02:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you busy ?
02:09 Duffer1 sucks man, sorry to hear it
02:09 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: For some definitions, but not especially busy.
02:09 cazalla 1.6 isn't too bad
02:10 benkay you got off light, moiety.
02:10 mircea_popescu how about making a complete collection of satoshi's letters to the various email lists ?
02:10 mircea_popescu ima adnotate and publish that bitch
02:11 moiety thanks guys. oh i know that benkay, thing was, it wasn't my BTC
02:11 benkay ka-yikes.
02:11 moiety and its a lot when you don't have it to replace instantly
02:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Why not? Shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as trying to get a useful transcript out of that NYDFS abortion.
02:11 mircea_popescu cool.
02:12 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You have a timeline in mind?
02:12 cazalla moiety: so you lost it recently?
02:12 mircea_popescu not particularly.
02:12 mircea_popescu ideally before i forget.
02:13 BingoBoingo I'll try to get them together within a week or two.
02:14 moiety lol nooo cazalla this is what makes it even worse! It was when they were like around $1k!
02:14 BingoBoingo Have no idea how many there actually are
02:14 moiety will *not* happen to me again though! tell yous that!
02:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bout a mb
02:15 mircea_popescu rounded to the closest mb.
02:15 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Any good ideas where to begin looking? I know the early ones are on the cryptography mailing list.
02:16 moiety BingoBoingo: i know you said to do this months ago too.... but im vanitying as we speak! :)
02:16 mircea_popescu yeah, that'd be my idea
02:17 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Here's the Cryptography mailing list emails: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography@metzdowd.com&q=from:%22Satoshi+Nakamoto%22
02:18 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo if you reduce the search to "satoshi" you find 2x as many hits
02:18 mircea_popescu also worth googling by emails etc.
02:19 benkay don't forget, BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts
02:20 benkay ALL MUST WADE THROUGH THE SWAMP
02:20 BingoBoingo Oh, particularly relevant to the current GOx trouble: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2151.msg28228#msg28228
02:21 mircea_popescu lol benkay is a zombie
02:21 mircea_popescu wishes to spread his blessings
02:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18951 @ 0.00085948 = 16.288 BTC [-] {3}
02:23 benkay also relevant to things
02:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the one thing of course is that there was that guy earlier declaring he hs proof satoshi = nick szabo on the grounds of linguistic analysis
02:24 benkay "Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale"
02:24 mircea_popescu can't hurt to compare your eventual set with his.
02:24 mircea_popescu nothing ever scales until it does.
02:26 BingoBoingo Ok, so the pre- November 22nd, 2009 forum is gone from sourceforge.
02:26 mircea_popescu interesting how that works huh.
02:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 37 @ 0.05877025 = 2.1745 BTC [+] {8}
02:30 BingoBoingo The internet is better at forgetting than people give it credit for.
02:31 midnightmagic It's not gone, there are copies.
02:31 benkay midnightmagic: it'd be a blessing to history if you'd help track one down.
02:33 midnightmagic benkay: I agree. :-( The complete collected writing of Satoshi I think would provide incredible insight overall just as simple reading material. Unfortunately since bitcointalk edits history enormously, the history will likely never be complete.
02:33 benkay *shrug*
02:33 benkay something's better than nothing!
02:33 midnightmagic I agree.
02:37 benkay ha shit so in this case bitbet could be used as a bounty system
02:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 332 @ 0.00086045 = 0.2857 BTC [+]
02:40 benkay "archives of pre 2009 bitcointalk.org will be posted for public consumption by thus and such a date"
02:40 benkay 10btc on no
02:40 benkay anyone with a copy of the forum can post 0.1 on yes, post the copies and claim the reward.
02:43 mircea_popescu or even without the copy.
02:43 mircea_popescu anyway, ima see you all later. don't break anything
02:44 moiety cheerio! i can't promise..
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03:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0485 = 0.194 BTC [-]
03:21 KRS-One .bait
03:21 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/avatar_006ce2d000e8_512.png
03:25 KRS-One .bait
03:25 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0t1e9Zel1qb139no1_1280.jpg
03:25 KRS-One Oh...my....gawd.
03:25 KRS-One My dreamgirl.
03:28 moiety she doesnt look real dude
03:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00086476 = 14.4415 BTC [+] {2}
03:29 moiety ;;later tell benkay neither! I take it back!
03:29 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:29 moiety yay
03:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04770007 = 0.5724 BTC [-] {4}
03:34 moiety ;;later tell benkay wrong again, but i know now :P
03:34 gribble The operation succeeded.
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03:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00086591 = 9.7848 BTC [+]
04:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.573 BTC [+]
04:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00086402 = 9.1586 BTC [-]
04:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.07792113 = 2.4935 BTC [+] {8}
04:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5636 @ 0.00086398 = 4.8694 BTC [-] {2}
04:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086415 = 4.7528 BTC [+]
04:54 kakobrekla lolz
04:54 kakobrekla https://www.bitstamp.net:443/article/bitcoin-withdraws-suspended/
04:54 ozbot Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp
04:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086415 = 2.3764 BTC [+]
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05:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
05:09 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00198459 = 0.3969 BTC [+]
05:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086415 = 0.3025 BTC [+]
05:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1777 @ 0.00016951 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {5}
05:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]
05:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00086605 = 0.5196 BTC [+]
05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 10000 @ 0.000107 = 1.07 BTC [-]
05:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15510 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3996 BTC [-] {3}
05:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.080007 = 0.56 BTC [+]
05:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1262 @ 0.000107 = 0.135 BTC [-]
05:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 13000 @ 0.000105 = 1.365 BTC [-]
05:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00086605 = 4.1137 BTC [+] {2}
05:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086672 = 10.834 BTC [+] {2}
05:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086675 = 0.3034 BTC [+]
05:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086798 = 5.9023 BTC [+] {2}
05:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.08 = 1.92 BTC [-]
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05:58 jurov benkay we tried a bounty "bitcoin spec to be published by summer" but obviously it did not work :D
06:02 kakobrekla ;;seen cmyers
06:02 gribble I have not seen cmyers.
06:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086809 = 6.0766 BTC [+]
06:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04896988 = 0.1959 BTC [+]
06:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04896988 = 0.4407 BTC [+] {2}
06:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.080007 = 4.0004 BTC [+]
06:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04896988 = 0.2448 BTC [+] {2}
06:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086804 = 4.7742 BTC [-]
06:50 KRS-One Did jew guys see this? McCaleb is back-
06:50 KRS-One http://newsbtc.com/2014/02/11/mt-gox-founder-jed-mccaleb-announces-secret-bitcoin-project/
06:50 KRS-One .bait
06:51 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m81qwnSHG61qfn16so1_1280.jpg
06:51 KRS-One fail
06:51 KRS-One .bait
06:51 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maid1oWPFS1rn3jhgo1_500.png
06:51 KRS-One .bait
06:51 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdx96pnVPf1r3mxnxo1_1280.jpg
06:51 KRS-One wtf she has dirty man feet
06:58 KRS-One http://i.imgur.com/auLSxMu.jpg
06:58 KRS-One I vote 'A', Bitcorn.
06:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53999999 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2}
07:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
07:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
07:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086768 = 7.6356 BTC [-]
07:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [-]
07:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00086812 = 17.102 BTC [+] {3}
07:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086867 = 10.6412 BTC [+] {2}
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07:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
07:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5467 @ 0.00086934 = 4.7527 BTC [+]
07:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14247 @ 0.00086764 = 12.3613 BTC [-] {2}
07:58 usaoscoin KRS-One: that last one is not very hot
08:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19593 @ 0.00086724 = 16.9918 BTC [-] {3}
08:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00086934 = 13.3009 BTC [+]
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08:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086665 = 11.0065 BTC [-] {4}
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086329 = 3.4532 BTC [-]
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08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-]
08:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52002001 = 1.04 BTC [-]
09:02 ThickAsThieves .Q GRIBBLE
09:03 KRS-One usaoscoin: yeah and I have a thing about females having man hands or man feet. Don't blame me if you begin to notice this more =D
09:03 KRS-One Ever see a girl with a man-ass?
09:03 usaoscoin I was talking about http://i.imgur.com/auLSxMu.jpg
09:04 kakobrekla you know we ar eopen you here, you can just say you like men KRS-One
09:05 kakobrekla and we understand you are using .bait excessively to help cover for it
09:12 ThickAsThieves http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/02/castaway-fisherman-returns-el-salvador-201421254114337717.html
09:13 ThickAsThieves "Crowd gathers to welcome man who says he spent a year adrift in the Pacific Ocean, surviving on fish and turtle blood."
09:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.0056871 = 0.3697 BTC [-]
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8270 @ 0.00086345 = 7.1407 BTC [+]
09:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]
09:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.04668543 = 0.8403 BTC [-] {5}
09:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00086329 = 11.1364 BTC [-]
09:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00086591 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2}
09:35 btc-monkey !ticker havelock am1
09:35 assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.49550000 / 0.52362164 / 0.57900200 (178 shares, 93.20465206 BTC), 7D: 0.49000000 / 0.53917608 / 0.61000000 (898 shares, 484.18012358 BTC), 30D: 0.34000000 / 0.53484515 / 0.74500000 (4452 shares, 2381.13062938 BTC)
09:36 btc-monkey !last h am1
09:36 assbot Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.52002001 BTC [-]
09:42 KRS-One kakobrekla: I'll hold off on the feminine European jokes and just say I have more hetero-juice in my chesthairs then I really need =D
09:43 KRS-One you don't see man-feet in that last pic?
09:43 ThickAsThieves you prefer men finish on your chest?
09:43 KRS-One lmao
09:43 KRS-One gross
09:43 ThickAsThieves you said it not me
09:44 KRS-One yes..i did lol
09:44 KRS-One foot->mouth
09:44 ThickAsThieves also a foot fetish?
09:44 KRS-One no way
09:44 KRS-One read: man-feet above
09:44 KRS-One this needs a bait moment
09:44 KRS-One .bait
09:44 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7iqp6MIxk1r1rxrbo1_1280.png
09:45 ThickAsThieves throw her back!
09:45 KRS-One haha! she's a good catch
09:45 KRS-One hey did you see this site?
09:45 KRS-One https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/
09:45 ThickAsThieves yes
09:45 ThickAsThieves i linked it a day or two ago
09:45 KRS-One oh my bad
09:45 ThickAsThieves how dare you!
09:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499998 BTC [+]
09:46 ThickAsThieves interesting who created it
09:46 ThickAsThieves and that he's saying so
09:47 KRS-One yea
09:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+]
09:48 KRS-One how do i search the #bitcoin-assets log? Just do a google search?
09:52 deadweasel seems like the way, if you can't grep your own logs
09:52 KRS-One when im not connected to IRC i'm not logging irc.
09:53 KRS-One Heh this is funny: http://cltampa.com/binary/97f1/1_bounce_ball_dildo_exercise_sexercise_toy.jpg
09:53 KRS-One Maybe we should send MtGox some new bounce balls to sit on.
09:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [-]
10:00 deadweasel i'm pretty sure they capable of fucking themselves w/o our help.
10:02 deadweasel or with the elp of a dildo/yoga ball
10:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086329 = 12.0861 BTC [-] {2}
10:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00535987 = 0.5253 BTC [-] {6}
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00530421 = 0.1963 BTC [-] {2}
10:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7917 @ 0.00086717 = 6.8654 BTC [+] {2}
10:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086741 = 6.9393 BTC [+] {3}
10:35 Apocalyptic "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" // mircea may have some insights on that
10:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10748 @ 0.00086461 = 9.2928 BTC [-]
10:37 jurov o, he's expert on romanian orphanages?
10:37 ThickAsThieves jurov you pm'd me?
10:38 jurov yes, you did not receive anything?
10:38 ThickAsThieves just "hello"
10:38 jurov i'll retry without otr
10:39 jurov got it now?
10:40 jurov D:
10:42 Apocalyptic jurov, well that's where he picks up the chicks right ?
10:43 jurov ThickAsThieves: still nothing? i see everything you pm me
~ 17 minutes ~
11:00 ThickAsThieves "Has anyone thought about holding a decentralized conference as well? "
11:01 mike_c i guess he hasn't heard of this channel.
11:01 jurov bitcoin-assets : the longest ongoing bitcoin conference
11:02 ThickAsThieves what's next, Has anyone considering decentralizing love?
11:02 jurov yes
11:02 jurov it's called polyamory
11:03 ThickAsThieves i suppose
11:03 ThickAsThieves requires using the blockchain somehow
11:03 pankkake and what's decentralized sex
11:03 ThickAsThieves ozbot
11:04 jurov how to decentralize glory holes ?
11:04 pankkake so basically decentralized is masturbation. seems consistent
11:05 ThickAsThieves it's a lot of people doing alone, what they could be doing together
11:05 ThickAsThieves anywho
11:06 ThickAsThieves "The journey is over for China's moon rover. China's state news agency is reporting today that the country's space agency has not been able to restore function to the Jade Rabbit rover"
11:06 asciilifeform one could imagine a 'decentralized conference'. send ascii chars as low-bytes of TX to addr A.
11:06 ThickAsThieves shoulda decentralized it
11:06 asciilifeform imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi.
11:06 asciilifeform all the bums/beggars would be gone...
11:07 asciilifeform it would be a little slow. perhaps more like mailing list than irc.
11:07 benkay now imagine if emails cost a few satoshi.
11:07 ThickAsThieves would be awesome
11:08 asciilifeform this is quite easy to build
11:08 asciilifeform anyone can do it.
11:08 asciilifeform trick is - getting your phriends to use it.
11:08 asciilifeform would certainly encourage terseness.
11:09 pankkake actually, that's one of the earliest proof of work ideas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash
11:09 ThickAsThieves then drivel communications could be left for facebook etc
11:09 asciilifeform pankkake: correct.
11:11 asciilifeform the server (if one may call it that) could even be programmed to return coin to the sending addr every now and then
11:11 asciilifeform except, obviously, for folks who are kicked out of the 'channel' in disgrace
11:11 asciilifeform (e.g. spammers)
11:12 asciilifeform blockchain then becomes the log.
11:12 pankkake I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website
11:12 asciilifeform and no need for gribble
11:12 asciilifeform (everybody's handle is their addr)
11:14 asciilifeform anyone with a btc node could be the 'server.'
11:14 ThickAsThieves <pankkake> I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website ---- this falls under same premise as me wanting the WoT to be user/service friendly
11:14 benkay wot apps are not hard
11:14 benkay "i am user thus and such"
11:14 benkay emit gpg challenge
11:14 ThickAsThieves make like Wotsy or whatever, and use it for auth all over the web
11:15 Apocalyptic "Wotsy" horrible name
11:15 Apocalyptic it's like OpenID
11:15 ThickAsThieves Apocalypticsy then
11:15 benkay receive and process response to challenge, return "yes" or "no" to service who's curious about a particular login
11:15 pankkake eh, a few months ago, I was looking for something to write, and a guy told me "make otc user friendly"
11:16 benkay your barrier is still the GPG part. no amout of user-friendliness is going to get past the challenges most internet users will have with gpg authentication.
11:16 pankkake but things like openpgpjs are not secure
11:16 asciilifeform luser-friendly -> user-hostile.
11:16 asciilifeform as observed by MP and others.
11:16 pankkake creates a false sense of security at least
11:17 ThickAsThieves just use bitcoin wallet signing then
11:17 Apocalyptic that's even worse
11:17 ThickAsThieves then i leave these things to people that know better
11:17 pankkake yes, why not. but it's not especially friendlier, you have to copy paste etc.
11:18 benkay ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjL6Y-c-HUo
11:18 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:18 pankkake I was thinking of generating GPG contracts for trades etc., the whole thing
11:18 Apocalyptic i never really got why gribble allows a btc-address based identiy
11:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086565 = 10.9938 BTC [+]
11:20 ThickAsThieves why shouldnt it?
11:21 pankkake it's just less practical for authentication, GPG keys are much more flexible and secure especially if you use multiple computers
11:21 Apocalyptic why would people use that whereas there is a GPG identity system based exactly for that purpose, much older and wider spread
11:21 pankkake you can only use subkeys for example
11:21 Apocalyptic pankkake probably said it better than me
11:22 pankkake supports revocation, too. basically bitcoin signatures are "lower level", you have a public/private key and that's it
11:22 Apocalyptic to me it comes unatural to use btc-privkey for auth purposes
11:22 ThickAsThieves lower level, seems user friendlier
11:23 benkay just because there's a keypair in there doesn't mean one should use it.
11:23 ThickAsThieves does it mean they shouldnt though?
11:23 benkay "we need a feature!" strikes again.
11:24 pankkake you can use it, there's just no advantage in using it
11:24 benkay from an opsec perspective, many disadvantages.
11:24 pankkake and you're stuck with that priv/pub key forever
11:24 benkay the answer to your question is yes, ThickAsThieves.
11:25 benkay btc keypairs are ephemeral. gpg has a whole toolchain around the use-cases for crypto that have, you know, actually been thought through.
11:25 benkay maybe poorly, but nowhere near as poorly as those in the wild for btc message signing.
11:26 benkay what about btc-key based decryption of messages? do we have this yet? i've never looked for the functionality.
11:26 pankkake bitcoin's encryption choices come from the need to have small outputs too, gpg doesn't and can thus do a lot of other things
11:26 Apocalyptic indeed
11:26 ThickAsThieves ive only used either for the same purposes mostly
11:27 ThickAsThieves verification of a message or identity
11:27 ThickAsThieves decryption*
11:27 ThickAsThieves i'm not arguing against what you say
11:27 ThickAsThieves just saying btc message signing has worked just fine for me
11:27 ThickAsThieves so has gpg
11:28 ThickAsThieves gpg to the infrequent user is a little more tedious
11:28 pankkake another feature is signing other's keys. basically, serves as identity verification
11:29 pankkake well actually you don't sign the key, you sign an identity (name+mail usually)
11:30 btc-monkey !last h am1
11:30 assbot Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.5499999 BTC [+]
11:30 benkay operational security is one of those things that can be done entirely incorrectly and feel so right to the end-user.
11:31 benkay this is one of the reasons I want a cardano.
11:32 jurov nekay, gpg key is no less ephemeral than bitcoin
11:32 jurov *benkay
11:32 benkay jurov: that's a little pedantic, neh?
11:32 benkay fully granted that they're both just bits on disk.
11:32 jurov either you backup it and risk it will leak (or that you forget the passphrase)
11:33 jurov or you don't backup
11:33 Apocalyptic jurov, he didn't meant ephemeral in that way
11:33 benkay but btc addresses are generated and thrown away regularly in the satoshi client.
11:33 jurov and will lose it anyway
11:33 jurov orly? afaik they ware never wiped out from the wallet
11:33 benkay a gpg keypair is meant to endure through many many uses.
11:33 jurov *are never
11:34 benkay not "wiped" no but one can exceed the 100 pregenerated addresses
11:34 jurov whaaaa?
11:34 benkay iirc, wallets are written to disk with the next hundred receipt addresses
11:34 benkay (upon generation)
11:34 Apocalyptic a wallet can have more than 100 adresses
11:34 jurov of course it's not limited, just increase the pool and it refills
11:34 Apocalyptic and the "100" figure is just the default keypoolsize
11:35 jurov automatically
11:35 Apocalyptic you can change it at will
11:35 benkay if you "ask" the client for more than that number of receipt addresses, your old backups become stale.
11:35 jurov i have seen 120MB wallet in the wild, did not count how many addies
11:35 nubbins` so, everyone enjoying sochi?
11:35 benkay sure
11:35 benkay kinda makes my point for me
11:35 benkay addresses are spun up routinely. gpg keys should be treated differently.
11:35 jurov ah so. but it's the same with pgp. if you swet expiry date as they recommend
11:35 jurov *set
11:36 jurov and don't backup after you have prolonged it
11:36 jurov then it ends the same
11:37 jurov all in all, i don't see any substantial difference
11:38 benkay pedantry later
11:38 benkay client meeting. api vendor wrangling.
11:38 jurov btw, use electrum then. one passphrase forever.
11:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00086546 = 3.0291 BTC [-] {2}
11:41 nubbins` just got a forum PM for a guy looking to do a face-to-face casascius-for-cash trade
11:41 nubbins` that's a first
11:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00086648 = 11.1343 BTC [+]
11:43 ThickAsThieves terrorist probly
11:44 nubbins` "i can probably find someone to meet you in most major cities. other than quebec."
11:49 nubbins` •ﺑ•
11:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086725 = 10.5805 BTC [+] {2}
11:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07252498 = 0.7252 BTC [+] {6}
11:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.073795 = 0.5904 BTC [+] {2}
11:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.07399555 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2}
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.43596731 BTC to 1`497 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
12:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00086385 = 12.6554 BTC [-] {2}
12:12 lysobit assbot!
12:12 assbot :*
12:12 lysobit that was underwhelming
12:13 kakobrekla you must be new?
12:13 lysobit yes
12:14 kakobrekla welcome
12:14 lysobit thanks
12:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 25086 @ 0.000105 = 2.634 BTC [-]
12:14 freztek he only came in here to shout assbot.
12:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008681 = 2.6043 BTC [+]
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086828 = 13.5886 BTC [+] {2}
12:18 kakobrekla sup mjr_
12:21 kakobrekla bye mjr_
12:29 Whoopziedaisy_ howdy yall!
12:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00086637 = 1.4728 BTC [-]
12:32 asciilifeform http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-12/another-jpmorgan-banker-dies-37-year-old-executive-director-program-trading
12:32 ozbot Another JPMorgan Banker Dies, 37 Year Old Executive Director Of Program Trading | Zero Hedge
12:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00086516 = 3.6769 BTC [-] {2}
12:44 mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay so what is that ?
12:44 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086854 = 1.7371 BTC [+]
12:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086862 = 6.8621 BTC [+] {2}
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [-]
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
13:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.07388095 = 1.5515 BTC [+] {2}
13:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8473 @ 0.00086939 = 7.3663 BTC [+]
13:20 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic: "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" << wait, WHAT ?!
13:21 mircea_popescu no.fucking.wai.
13:22 mircea_popescu jurov: it's called polyamory << don't be silly, that's not decentralised love, that's just love without arbitrary barriers to entry.
13:22 mircea_popescu love is always centralised by its nature.
13:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi. << eventually the chan will work like mpex, +m and it costs w/e to have voice.
13:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that was the object of the (gedanken)experiment, yes.
13:24 mircea_popescu i made trilema +m at some point in 2012 when i was sick of the romanians' drivel
13:24 mircea_popescu has worked admirably so far.
13:24 mircea_popescu before that, it was doing 5k lines a day or some shit
13:24 asciilifeform you'd 'log in' once, by sending a tx with some specified value to 'A' (addr of 'channel') and two others, say, X and Y. low byte of every tx value X->Y is a payload byte.
13:25 asciilifeform 'recycle' the coin by moving from Y->X when some time passes (to minimize fee.)
13:25 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/o-luna-de-trilema-prin-ochii-lu-gribble/
13:25 ozbot O luna de #trilema, prin ochii lu’ gribble pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:25 asciilifeform X and Y become your 'handle'
13:25 mircea_popescu no wait i was wrong, it did 60k lines in a month. so about like this thing.
13:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform experimentally, you don't need that much code because not that many people will be paying anyway.
13:26 asciilifeform this would require very little code.
13:26 asciilifeform authentication is 'automatic', in the sense that only an addr's owner can send from it.
13:27 mircea_popescu even so. you can just make it "donate 0.10000586" btc to #freenode's btc addy
13:27 asciilifeform 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller)
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13:27 mircea_popescu and that's all
13:27 asciilifeform you can easily dispense with 'Y' if you're ok with an 'expensive' channel.
13:27 deadweasel freenode doesn't take donations anymore, iirc
13:27 asciilifeform then you get 'mailcoin' (or call it what you like)
13:28 ThickAsThieves Klout, controversial service that measured online 'influence,' reportedly being acquired for $100 million
13:28 ThickAsThieves at least it wasnt a billion...
13:28 deadweasel http://blog.freenode.net/2013/03/bye-bye-pdpc/
13:28 ozbot Bye bye PDPC | staffblog
13:28 deadweasel in fact, mp, why not start your own IRCnet? Then you could throttle everything at will.
13:29 deadweasel :P
13:29 pankkake irc networks are like standards
13:30 asciilifeform in the proposed experiment, you get a whole bunch of problems solved 'for free', without moving parts
13:30 asciilifeform the people who like decentralization get that
13:30 asciilifeform spam and beggars vanish
13:30 asciilifeform authentication is automagical, etc.
13:31 asciilifeform and it would all fit in a page or so of your favourite prog. language.
13:31 mircea_popescu deadweasel which explains why we're not doing i tyet :D
13:32 mircea_popescu it's a good reserve power anyway, if we ever need to make our own irc network.
13:32 mircea_popescu afaik they haven't yet decided whether they wish to have a future as the irc network where bitcoin happens or would rather not have any future at all.
13:32 mircea_popescu the 2nd seems probable in some estimations, and so we wait.
13:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12221002 BTC [-]
13:33 mircea_popescu (i personally don't think so, fwiw)
13:35 deadweasel yea, those decisions tend to make themselves, in time.
13:35 asciilifeform invent parachute before, not after, being thrown.
13:36 mircea_popescu jurov: automatically << fie upon that word. think of it, gpg keypairs are not generated "automatically"
13:36 mircea_popescu they take time
13:36 mircea_popescu how sucky tech gpg has huh.
13:36 asciilifeform 99% of the delay is /dev/random.
13:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
13:36 mircea_popescu !b the deadweasel-asciilifeform theorem.
13:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12211 BTC [-]
13:37 mircea_popescu hey assbot is pming me dirty messages
13:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly.
13:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221002 BTC [-]
13:43 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/altcoin/comments/1xmckc/the_real_altcoin/cfcygfr
13:43 ozbot crisader comments on The REAL Altcoin
13:43 mircea_popescu ehehe. reddit doesn't get things.
13:43 mircea_popescu WHY IS IT SO!!!!
13:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's actually a decent brand
13:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 36 @ 0.19376446 = 6.9755 BTC [+]
13:44 asciilifeform hence why i bought them. yet old brain detritus dies hard.
13:44 asciilifeform (more things ought to have scuttling valves!)
13:45 mircea_popescu i could see sexually frustrated feminists proposing penis scuttle valves
13:46 asciilifeform one twist, poor thing goes to the bottom of the sea?
13:46 mircea_popescu just depressurizes
13:47 mircea_popescu course the serious rapists would just start carrying strap-ons, but what's a feminist to know of economy
13:47 mircea_popescu she's a commie by default.
13:47 asciilifeform (cards, as you can probably guess, are for the mainboard breadboard...)
13:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10240 @ 0.00086939 = 8.9026 BTC [+]
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10339 @ 0.00086994 = 8.9943 BTC [+] {2}
13:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
13:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-]
13:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
13:53 mircea_popescu diametric you about ?
13:58 asciilifeform a kingston, for the navally-noobish:
13:58 asciilifeform http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flooding_Valve_Manifold.jpg
13:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087026 = 13.6631 BTC [+] {2}
13:59 ThickAsThieves http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20131211235041-356899-paypal-looks-ahead-six-predictions-for-2014
13:59 ozbot Big Idea 2014: Predictions from PayPal | LinkedIn
14:00 ThickAsThieves 4. Bitcoin will continue to gain ground (but not as a currency)
14:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC
14:00 mircea_popescu dun dun dun
14:00 asciilifeform not as a currency << as a coffee warmer?
14:00 mircea_popescu it never was a "currency" to begin with.
14:01 mircea_popescu some currencies out there are a bitcoin, if a very primitive sort and for short intervals.
14:01 Duffer1 4. we're crapping our pants over here, please don't do to us what netflix did to blockbuster
14:02 ThickAsThieves full text for the item is "Bitcoin will continue to attract more people as a store of value and a speculative investment asset. I predict that the value of Bitcoin still has the potential to double by the same time next year. But I believe it will have a hard time becoming mainstream as a currency, due to its expected continued volatility amidst regulation authorities and governments
14:02 ThickAsThieves figuring out what to make of the cryptocurrency."
14:03 mircea_popescu give the man a cookie. who is this ?
14:03 asciilifeform paypal fuhrer?
14:03 Duffer1 president of paypal
14:04 Duffer1 david marcus
14:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0818 = 0.3272 BTC [+]
14:06 mircea_popescu so gavin is seriously saying "follow us @BTCFoundation " ?
14:06 mircea_popescu is the man stupid or something ?
14:06 mircea_popescu Duffer1 seems smart enough. i don't recall the last time a large fiat corp had a smart ceo.
14:07 Duffer1 is he smart enough to be worried is the question
14:07 asciilifeform s/Bitcoin/usd/;s/double/half/
14:08 asciilifeform s/becoming/remaining/
14:08 mircea_popescu if anyone has a reference client they're not running atm, or space to run one : please do so.
14:08 mircea_popescu all these idiots with their web bs are caught in a cloud of pseudotx relying
14:08 mircea_popescu reference clients can cut it down quite easily, but apparently there's not actually that many
14:09 asciilifeform classic bitcoind?
14:09 asciilifeform how many, i wonder, are running
14:10 mircea_popescu yes.
14:10 mircea_popescu and from what i see ~1k
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14:10 asciilifeform woah
14:10 mircea_popescu yes.
14:10 asciilifeform 3 are mine
14:10 asciilifeform thought these were a dime-a-dozen
14:10 asciilifeform for some reason
14:11 mircea_popescu well, 10 dimes in a dolla.
14:11 mircea_popescu but no, originally there were ~60k as a high point cca 2011
14:11 asciilifeform brotha can ye spare a dime/node
14:11 mircea_popescu it's been going down steadily ever since.
14:11 mircea_popescu which is quite a problem, really.
14:11 asciilifeform proliferation of castrato 'wallets,' yeah.
14:12 mircea_popescu myea.
14:12 mircea_popescu beause people want stuff tio be "easier".
14:12 mircea_popescu what, they're part of bitcoin now ? cool! so where's bitcoin supermarket ?
14:12 asciilifeform used to be that mr. luser had to bite the bullet and delete a pron or two, download the blocks.
14:12 mircea_popescu where's bitcoin credit card ?
14:12 mircea_popescu where's bitcoin government ?
14:12 mircea_popescu (togive them bitcoins on their bitcoin card to buy stuff in the bitcoin supermarket)
14:13 asciilifeform using btpension from btgov ?
14:13 asciilifeform good gift for these folks: a rubber hose. with mouthpiece and arsepiece on the respective ends.
14:13 asciilifeform 'New!1! Eat For Free!'
14:14 mircea_popescu it's not easy to insert.
14:14 CiPi http://www.eweek.com/security/massive-ddos-attack-leveraged-network-timing-protocol-cloudflare.html
14:14 ozbot Massive DDoS Attack Leveraged Network Timing Protocol: CloudFlare
14:15 mircea_popescu still with this ?
14:16 mircea_popescu cloudflare has been rehashing this story about every 3 months.
14:16 mircea_popescu a) no cloudflare "customer" was ever protected by cloudflare of a "400 gpbs" attac
14:16 mircea_popescu b) overall, the sum total of network time the cloudflare "customers" lost owing to cloudflare being a pos exceeds by degree of magnitude any mitigated "attacks"
14:17 asciilifeform speaking of turdcraft, for anyone who missed it:
14:17 asciilifeform http://www.kaspersky.com/about/news/virus/2014/Kaspersky-Lab-Uncovers-The-Mask-One-of-the-Most-Advanced-Global-Cyber-espionage-Operations-to-Date-Due-to-the-Complexity-of-the-Toolset-Used-by-the-Attackers
14:17 mircea_popescu this is not even going into the CA spoofing bs they do.
14:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00086862 = 4.3431 BTC [-]
14:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.0818 = 0.6544 BTC [+]
14:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00087036 = 4.9611 BTC [+]
14:28 mircea_popescu the massive derpage going on retardtalk, retarddit etc etc re spam txn really shows just how the population has changed.
14:28 mircea_popescu i think bitcoin average has lost 20 points of iq over the past 2 years.
14:29 mircea_popescu we've gone from "people could generally write a c compiler" to "people could not generally write hello world"
14:29 ThickAsThieves sad considering this is the post-silk road wave
14:29 mircea_popescu apparently drug use and intelligence don't correlate.
14:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7627 @ 0.00087036 = 6.6382 BTC [+]
14:31 jurov people could generally write a c compiler? that was average 2yrs ago?
14:31 jurov on trolltalk?
14:32 mircea_popescu well ok ok im forcing a point.
14:32 jurov :D
14:32 ThickAsThieves we're just decentralizing the IQ points
14:32 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves now everyone can has one.
14:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
14:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]
14:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
14:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
14:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
14:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
14:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-]
14:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
14:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
14:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-]
14:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
14:44 asciilifeform anybody here care to recommend a 3840x2160 display?
14:44 asciilifeform (or greater)
14:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]
14:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}
14:46 mircea_popescu https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2653
14:48 asciilifeform budget psyop. are they down to hiring nigerian spam translators now?
14:48 asciilifeform or is someone actually this... orgasmically stupid?
14:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-]
14:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
14:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
14:49 mircea_popescu seeing how it discusses law enforcement, one'd expect everyone involved to be organically this stupid.
14:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]
14:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
14:49 mircea_popescu after all the easier solution to not knowing something is to assume, not to find out.
14:50 asciilifeform so presumably this was written from a jail. which one? where?
14:50 mircea_popescu (course the even easier solution is to just not not know in the first place0
14:50 mircea_popescu nah, they don't put people in jail anymore.
14:50 mircea_popescu they just add those dog collars or w/e
14:50 mircea_popescu what's the point of putting them in jail when they're already living in one anyway
14:51 asciilifeform i'm still waiting for the actual appearance of the collars-with-detonators, familiar to all '90s cheap sf fans.
14:52 mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Douglas_Wells like ?
14:52 asciilifeform nah, those exist
14:52 asciilifeform http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103239/
14:52 ozbot Wedlock (1991) - IMDb
14:54 mircea_popescu ahahahaha rutget hauer wat
14:57 mircea_popescu anyway, those muppets really should have their own movie. just think :
14:57 mircea_popescu highschool drop-out that's been working for 30 years as a pizza delivery boy
14:57 mircea_popescu so lovable mentally retarded character
14:58 mircea_popescu gets trapped in a plot between some ugly broad who thinks herself important and some really weird character
14:58 asciilifeform yeah they did that one later.
14:58 mircea_popescu to rob a bank via bomb device with artsy cane gun, so as to have enough funds to pay for the weird character's murder of the woman;s father
14:58 mircea_popescu in order for her to inherit him
14:58 mircea_popescu except the father is bankrupt and the bank is some shitty us venue with ~1500 dollars in cash on the premises.
14:59 mircea_popescu it's epic, odysseus has nothing on this.
15:01 asciilifeform on top of u.s. psot office btc,
15:01 asciilifeform http://www.dailyfinance.com/on/post-office-plan-unbanked-payday-lending/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000058
15:01 ozbot Post Office Plan May Revolutionize the Financial Lives of the Unbanked - DailyFinance
15:01 asciilifeform nationalized 'check cashing' shops.
15:02 mircea_popescu it is a major racket, that
15:02 mircea_popescu mostly because well... cash is king.
15:03 asciilifeform they have 'payday loans' built in, too.
15:10 ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/12/5405174/goatse-cx-pivots-again-to-become-a-dogecoin-supporter
15:10 ThickAsThieves doge will take it where it can get it
15:10 ozbot Goatse.cx pivots again to become a Dogecoin supporter | The Verge
15:10 pankkake selling emails didn't work? eh.
15:13 dub wow
15:14 pankkake much gape
15:14 Duffer1 lol :(
15:14 pankkake I remember they offered @goatse.cx emails but I thought it was too expensive for the novelty
15:15 jurov only for srs bsns
15:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]
15:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086872 = 15.5501 BTC [-] {2}
15:28 davout this is awsome
15:29 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/2kQcifM.gif
15:30 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the funny thing of an advertising ponzi is that well... they keep burning the stuff.
15:30 davout わいい
15:30 mircea_popescu eventually they'll have to either fold or go for superbowl ads
15:30 davout s/わいい/かわいい/
15:33 deadweasel I was raised in a check cashing company.
15:33 deadweasel I was cashing checks behind 2 inch glass when I was 14.
15:33 deadweasel good times.
15:34 deadweasel better racket: Lease-buy-backs.
15:34 deadweasel 300% interest, but no! it's a lease fee!
15:34 deadweasel and that's how I was able to afford college (which was mostly useless)
15:40 mircea_popescu so you got scammed out of the money you scammed out of idiots, pretty much ?
15:41 jcpham bam
15:42 jcpham lol @ goatse @ dogecoin
15:42 jcpham HUGE boost in legitimacy for doge
15:42 mircea_popescu totally.
15:42 davout if you read the comments there's the fiverr ad for the actor down there
15:43 davout (in TAT's link)
15:43 mike_c i love fiverr. great for gag gifts.
15:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12288 @ 0.00087036 = 10.695 BTC [+]
15:46 mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1610447/
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15:46 ozbot dpaste: #1610447
15:46 mircea_popescu that may contribute to the daily lulz
15:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
15:47 mircea_popescu right in there with the strippers know better than to accept free btc from strangers.
15:47 mircea_popescu i wonder what would average joe do if someone made an ipad app counting all the money he's lost each day over being a total derp.
15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00087036 = 6.3536 BTC [+]
15:48 benkay not install it?
15:48 mircea_popescu i doubt he could do that.
15:48 mircea_popescu otherwise the fact any apps are installed at all becomes inexplicable
15:48 mircea_popescu at least this'd be useful.
15:49 benkay no dopamine hit, no install.
15:50 mircea_popescu oic. perhaps you got a point there.
15:50 benkay hey that's two in as many days
15:51 mircea_popescu obviously the pills are working :D
15:51 benkay how are you drugging me from romania?
15:51 mircea_popescu not me, babyface.
15:51 benkay who put the pills in my cookie jar?
15:51 benkay m.p.?
15:51 benkay couldn't be.
15:51 benkay then who?
15:51 mircea_popescu who let teh dogs out
15:52 benkay who let the doge out
15:53 mike_c whoa, what do you want to advertise that would mean buying out tpb? that's probably 300 btc a month.
15:54 mircea_popescu mike_c i'm just doing it to piss off the gfy community
15:54 mircea_popescu exoclick is their baby
15:54 mike_c hehe, i don't know what gfy is, but doing that just to piss someone off is great :)
15:54 mircea_popescu ;;google gfy
15:54 gribble Urban Dictionary: gfy: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gfy>; The Go Fuck Yourself Home Page - Amish Rake Fight: <http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/>; Go Fug Yourself: Because Fugly Is The New Pretty: <http://www.gofugyourself.com/>
15:54 mircea_popescu ;;google xbiz
15:54 gribble XBIZ | Adult Industry News | Adult Webmaster Resources: <http://www.xbiz.com/>; XBIZ™ (XBIZ) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/XBIZ>; XBIZ 360 - January 22-25, 2014: <http://www.xbiz360.com/>
15:55 punkman exoclick specializes in matching shitty traffic to shitty ads
15:55 benkay man i want to sell software to porn companies
15:55 benkay pay me in trade baby
15:56 mircea_popescu benkay they're destitute.
15:56 KRS-One I want to scam nigerians.
15:56 benkay so i gather :(
15:56 mircea_popescu they used to be raking in the dough, cca 1993.
15:56 benkay man
15:56 mircea_popescu BACK THEN making a thumbnail autogallery could well be 50k in fees and free passes for everywhere
15:56 deadweasel back when VHS purchases existed
15:56 benkay the integral of the porn production curve is a SHITLOAD OF PORN
15:56 benkay .bait
15:56 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me66jgXVjN1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg
15:56 KRS-One .bait
15:56 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhpfmq78T1rs43zlo1_500.jpg
15:56 benkay mine's better.
15:57 KRS-One benkay's is way better i want her
15:57 benkay yeah too bad content delivery is totes a solved thing
15:57 KRS-One you guys saw the new mt.gox bouncie balls right =D\
15:58 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8qqaXdU61ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
15:58 benkay bitcoin payments to the world's largest fuck-your-copyright stash of porn is a cool thing to build
15:58 benkay :(
15:58 KRS-One eww mircea, really?
15:58 benkay so sad
15:58 mircea_popescu mwahaha
15:58 benkay much no
15:58 benkay wow
15:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4659 @ 0.00087064 = 4.0563 BTC [+] {2}
15:59 mircea_popescu whoa holy shit, the gfy forum comes in 10th for gfy ?!?!
15:59 KRS-One I need a bait now.
15:59 mircea_popescu jesus they dropped.
15:59 mircea_popescu anyway mike_c gfy.com/‎
15:59 mircea_popescu the retardstalk from before bitcoin.
15:59 mircea_popescu the original.
16:01 mike_c looks like they are on top of things
16:01 mike_c http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1130089
16:01 ozbot What is Bitcoin? - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum
16:01 kakobrekla lolz:
16:01 kakobrekla http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=cc31bdeb630dadc97f3352967&id=817f2a2d10&e=4c15c58428
16:01 ozbot [ANNOUNCEMENT] Crypto Street For Sale
16:01 mircea_popescu kakobrekla what's crypto street again ?
16:02 kakobrekla an exchange, supposedly
16:02 Apocalyptic https://www.crypto.st/
16:03 mircea_popescu mike_c they're mostly adults, and the backbone has been sifted through ~20 years into some semblance of sanity.
16:03 mircea_popescu which is why their forum has lived to 18mn posts of retarded nonsense.
16:03 kakobrekla the intro post from april 2013
16:03 kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186082.0
16:03 ozbot [ANN] Crypto.St - The one exchange to rule them all
16:03 mircea_popescu so i guess the yet-another-one exchange "to rule them all" has managed.
16:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14626 @ 0.00087065 = 12.7341 BTC [+]
16:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [+]
16:15 kakobrekla zomg
16:15 kakobrekla from cognitive thread > I vote for Kakobrekla, He seems highly interested in this company and I bet he will tell us every thing that is wrong with it supper fast so we/he can fix it.
16:15 kakobrekla wrong way dude.
16:16 Apocalyptic heh, kako the ponzi fixer
16:17 mike_c watch out kako, votes on the forum are binding. you're going to have a new job before you know it.
16:17 kakobrekla imma gonna stop posting at this rate!
16:17 mircea_popescu "here is some stupid shit we did back when you were telling us better and we were all smug and thought we knew better"
16:17 mircea_popescu "we now vote for you to fix it"
16:17 mircea_popescu these disgusting meatbags actually imagine the entire world is their dysfunctional fambly.
16:17 kakobrekla buncha lolz
16:18 mircea_popescu at least around these parts what you say to the unhousebroken kiddios is "they ain't the house of your stupid mother"
16:18 mircea_popescu i gather it's not commonly said in the us.
16:23 diametric mircea_popescu: i am now, whats up?
16:25 mircea_popescu pmd.
16:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00086862 = 2.9967 BTC [-]
16:29 diametric ;;ident diametric
16:29 gribble Nick 'diametric', with hostmask 'diametric!~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d', is identified as user 'diametric', with GPG key id BDD47433133081CF, key fingerprint 0789CB4F508B384EB74CEFBFBDD47433133081CF, and bitcoin address None
16:30 deadweasel no, I haven't heard that one, mp
16:31 deadweasel clearly, the failure lies in kakobrekla not being re-banned in a timely m anner
16:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0008709 = 16.3294 BTC [+] {4}
16:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00016543 = 1.6543 BTC [-] {19}
16:35 jurov heh
16:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC
16:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00086862 = 11.4224 BTC [-]
16:43 deadweasel I was just reading what Morell injected into HItler everyday, what a ride that must have been:
16:43 deadweasel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell#Substances_given_to_Hitler
16:43 ozbot Theodor Morell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
16:54 HeySteve I believe Kennedy was on a lot too
16:54 pankkake <minerpart> yeah I nkow, pankkake quoted this channel earlier. He is a dirty fucking French prick and he knows it. Just like his Nazi sympathising grandparents he is scum and will do anything for dirty cash.
16:54 pankkake <minerpart> I've met a lot of French people and they are 100% decent and down to earth. But then you always get the odd little shit who would fuck his own mother for cash - that's pankkake.
16:55 pankkake why so mean
16:55 deadweasel ha, what'd you do, pankkake ?
16:56 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.0 probably pushed their butthurt too far
16:56 ozbot ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison
16:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087112 = 3.4845 BTC [+]
16:57 BingoBoingo pankkake: He's just pissed you took away his scam income
16:57 pankkake of course they are
16:57 pankkake well they still can't trade anyway
16:58 pankkake <minerpart> His grandmother was probably raped by a Nazi storm trooper. That's makes him Bastard Nazi offspring. Pure scum.
16:58 pankkake at least he knows some French history
16:59 mircea_popescu lol omfg how dare people say thos things about pankkake
16:59 mircea_popescu they should only say them about me!
16:59 pankkake <minerpart> I've offered to meet him at any railway station in France as I'm southern England. He's a pussy, he wont meet me. A sad little prick with a big internet presence. You know what that means - he's never fucked a girl. Probably followed a few home though then gone home and jerked himself off.
17:00 pankkake I thought it was another guy who offered. or he just out-socked himself
17:00 jurov nice, can't he be hired? or is he already?
17:01 pankkake I only know of my mother-side family history during the war
17:01 pankkake I guess when you don't know, it's probably bad :p
17:02 mircea_popescu jurov send him to meet people all over france ?
17:03 jurov not bad. maybe we can arrange for him to meet someone davout hates
17:03 mircea_popescu i like the logic involved tho. retarded romanians were going on about similar nonsense all through the late 00s
17:03 pankkake just offered to meet for 0.2 BTC
17:03 pankkake what nonsense?
17:04 mircea_popescu "omfg what do you mean some people are actually impoirtant and thus therefore you need to jump through hoops to meet them, unlike me"
17:04 mircea_popescu latest on retarded blog : "president of aol is a pussy, i sent him messages to meet me at any train station of his choosing he said he doesn't use trains"
17:04 BingoBoingo pankkake: He pays you or you pay him?
17:04 pankkake I never refused, just said I wasn't going to do it for free
17:04 pankkake he pays me
17:04 mircea_popescu as if somehow the entire world is this proving ground for impudent cocklets and everyone is their peer.
17:05 BingoBoingo pankkake: I see no way that you time in person isn't worth at least 25 BTC to him.
17:05 jurov pankkake: tell him you're actually canadian
17:05 deadweasel well, that's the majority of the worlds opinion, as most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
17:05 pankkake tabernacle !
17:06 punkman you guys ever read one of those 419 scambaiting safaris?
17:06 deadweasel BingoBoingo has a point, you just priced yourself like a whore.
17:07 deadweasel this is where your 'truthing' gets you, on a train stomping some poor teenager for .2 btc.
17:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00044999 = 0.135 BTC [+]
17:07 mircea_popescu deadweasel apparently.
17:07 mircea_popescu punkman wrote some :)
17:07 davout jurov: that sounds like fun
17:07 punkman http://www.419eater.com/html/RoadToChadDarfur/
17:07 ozbot The Road to Chad/Darfur
17:07 mike_c mpoe-pr fights the good fight for a healthy salary. i don't know why you bang your head against that wall.
17:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 768 @ 0.00083461 = 0.641 BTC [-]
17:08 davout jurov: i'd need to find someone i hate though, i usually try to limit myself to ignoring
17:11 mircea_popescu mike_c maybe he's honing his skillzors.
17:12 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.0 << this shit is so lulzy.
17:12 ozbot ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison
17:15 deadweasel did you just add that to your sig, pankkake ? XD
17:15 mircea_popescu no srsly, it is epic shit.
17:16 mircea_popescu pankkake you should have a blog baby.
17:16 pankkake I have a blog
17:16 pankkake a dead blog
17:17 mircea_popescu just saying, this stuff is the substance of blogging.
17:17 pankkake yeah I have a few topics like that
17:17 pankkake I have bitcointalk in muscle memory, need to fix that
17:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 293 @ 0.00505 = 1.4797 BTC [+]
17:19 pankkake <minerpart__> Fuck off pankkake you prick. You really think I would waste my time fucking off to France to hang around a station only to see you don't show up? You fucking idiot
17:19 pankkake :(
17:19 kakobrekla i think thesevend is missing on the table
17:19 mike_c where is this lovefest taking place?
17:19 kakobrekla theseven aka [7]
17:19 deadweasel is there a #burn-pankkake chan or what?
17:20 pankkake #activemining
17:20 deadweasel ah, thx!
17:20 pankkake theseven wasn't a willing participant
17:20 kakobrekla nigga what?!
17:20 pankkake I mean, not PR-wise
17:20 mircea_popescu more like a naive participant i guess
17:20 pankkake he was contracted for stuff, and named
17:21 pankkake :p
17:21 any labcoin news?
17:21 pankkake not that I know
17:21 did they finally get hold of alberto or whoever was behind all of this?
17:22 mircea_popescu [7] nah, pankkake just made a nice summary thread
17:22 pankkake there's an italian lawsuit it seems
17:22 pankkake so maybe!
17:23 kakobrekla AA is in china or somesuch anyways
17:23 mircea_popescu pankkake the part you don't know is that i could sue you in romanian court right now
17:23 mircea_popescu it'd cost me nothing to do so
17:23 mircea_popescu and nothing'd happen.
17:23 mircea_popescu eu lawsuits are quite different from us
17:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1322 @ 0.00083461 = 1.1034 BTC [-]
17:23 pankkake well the guy's probably in italy
17:23 kakobrekla naw
17:24 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5063595#msg5063595 << check out dr greg's withering retort!
17:24 ozbot [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus
17:24 mircea_popescu i need to hire out vincent vega.
17:25 pankkake what's so bad about dr greg anyway?
17:25 punkman *bald
17:25 punkman he could IPO that forehead
17:25 kakobrekla can we have s.laughing so we have a laughing stock?
17:25 pankkake lol
17:26 davout LOL
17:26 pankkake ok, tomorrow I will not go on bitcointalk
17:26 pankkake and I'll be productive
17:26 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ahaha epic
17:26 pankkake I can sleep again too, so time capitalize on it
17:26 benkay ahahahahahahaha dr greg loses it all on btc.sx
17:26 pankkake btcse.cx
17:26 mircea_popescu pankkake what is bad about dr greg is that it's generally worse to have a half-educated idiot than ap ure idiot.
17:26 mircea_popescu he's that half-educated idiot.
17:27 pankkake as in more dangerous? ok. but then forum pr could be better…
17:27 mircea_popescu i'd rather teach a monkey to invest than a bitcointalk-er.
17:28 punkman wouldn't a monkey, sans training, do better than the average bitcointalk-er?
17:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02580898 = 0.5162 BTC [-] {4}
17:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399 = 0.148 BTC [+]
17:29 benkay pankkake: you gotta link greg to the bitcointalk post where MP and smickles expose the btc.sx scam
17:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07498844 = 0.9748 BTC [+] {7}
17:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210002 BTC [+]
17:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
17:29 pankkake that would have been better
17:29 mircea_popescu punkman likely.
17:29 pankkake I don't think dr greg listed the things he was going to use beforehand
17:30 mircea_popescu pankkake it's okay, he just knows better than anyone anyway.
17:30 mircea_popescu because see, reasons. and things.
17:30 benkay no but now you can castigate him for ignoring the bitlord
17:30 pankkake well I gave him BTC. not my most shameful investment though
17:30 mircea_popescu was it for a foreheadectomy ?
17:30 pankkake he promised low returns!
17:31 benkay what were you thinking!
17:31 benkay PIFF is the place for low returns!
17:31 pankkake he left a nice comment about PIF too :)
17:31 benkay you already own the low-returns market!
17:31 Jere_Jones mircea_popescu would you really teach a willing student to invest?
17:31 benkay oh he's nice
17:32 benkay that's good. a sign of competence, being nice.
17:32 deadweasel Jere_Jones: it's free, in the logs
17:35 pankkake I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments
17:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+]
17:35 kakobrekla regulation
17:35 pankkake i.e. stock market full of printed money, or those nice savings account
17:36 pankkake but investing in startups is often a loss; the general public doesn't do it however
17:36 kakobrekla at least for a fraction of the problem
17:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04799999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}
17:37 mike_c general public is going to do it now that sec restrictions have been lifted.
17:37 kakobrekla hehe
17:37 kakobrekla pankkake general public can use kickstarter :)
17:37 kakobrekla same result, they get shit.
17:37 pankkake indeed
17:38 pankkake at least for the time being, as it's new
17:38 davout pankkake: i offered this minerpart guy to escrow, lets see if some lulz can be harvested
17:38 pankkake cool
17:38 Mats_cd03 weak
17:38 mike_c half of assets jumped into activemining to watch this :)
17:39 kakobrekla anyway pankkake there is more scam than you think in fiat world
17:39 kakobrekla its just you are not in #fiat-assets
17:39 kakobrekla and are totally missing out.
17:39 pankkake lol, no I know there are
17:39 pankkake and very similar ones than in btc
17:39 pankkake actually, I was scammed by my banker
17:39 pankkake first investment ever
17:39 pankkake NATIXIS
17:40 pankkake I was a poor student too
17:40 pankkake lost 90% of its value
17:41 Asa9 w00t! I'm op in #fiat-assets!! THANKS MP!
17:41 Asa9 er kakobrekla
17:41 Asa9 ty!
17:41 kakobrekla you are very welcome
17:42 kakobrekla was it like in southpark "and its gone?"
17:42 pankkake pretty much :/
17:42 Asa9 lol
17:42 pankkake basically it was mass-sold by French banks, to noobs
17:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}
17:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087112 = 3.6587 BTC [+]
17:43 pankkake they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs
17:43 kakobrekla i sold all my remaining fiat stock when btc was 80$ i think. already at that time, that was only a tiny fraction of my net.
17:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-]
17:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
17:44 kakobrekla 23:43.15 ( pankkake ) they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs < lulz
17:44 pankkake I only ever bought one company because that was the only one I understood
17:45 pankkake made a profit, though fees ate most of it (again, poor student)
17:45 pankkake should have done the same with the bitcoin…
17:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5763 @ 0.00087143 = 5.0221 BTC [+] {2}
17:45 kakobrekla yea
17:49 Mats_cd03 .mpoe
17:51 davout pankkake: so apparently this guy is ok to meet you at any train station to give you a beating for a fee
17:53 pankkake beating up a guy in crowded areas, smart
17:53 davout do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble?
17:53 pankkake maybe in gare du nord :p
17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00087155 = 11.5045 BTC [+] {2}
17:59 davout pankkake: it's full of cops, they're usually the ones involved in beatings there :D
18:00 ThickAsThieves [17:59] <ThickAsThieves> WTS 50k ActM shares
18:00 ThickAsThieves [17:59] <JimJones> how much ThickAsThieves
18:00 ThickAsThieves [17:59] <ThickAsThieves> I only take ATC
18:00 pankkake but he's serious about the beating. I thought he wanted to meet
18:00 pankkake lol
18:00 pankkake haha "which one"
18:03 BingoBoingo pankkake: Maybe you both leave your respective countries for this meeting. I might suggest the 5th and Washington Station in East St Louis.
18:04 pankkake is there a reference I'm missing?
18:04 BingoBoingo pankkake: No, I'm just thinking of the most interesting train stations I know.
18:05 pankkake oh, I know none
18:07 BingoBoingo pankkake: This could be one of the few white dude fights on World Star HipHop
18:07 pankkake well I'm not fighting
18:08 pankkake so far always avoided it
18:08 Mats_cd03 scrub
18:08 mike_c i'm sure you could hire a stand-in for cheap
18:08 pankkake hm kinda wrong, once a guy punched me and I wasn't expecting it
18:09 pankkake what would be the point?
18:10 Mats_cd03 Beating him up and getting away with it
18:10 Mats_cd03 Also a good work out
18:11 davout pankkake: the way i see it, for maximum lulz he should show up after a 5 hour trip, having had all the time to come to the conclusion that beating someone up in a public place, in a foreign country isn't such a good idea after all
18:11 pankkake certainly not on the list of the guys I'd like to beat up
18:11 pankkake the actual scam runners why not
18:11 BingoBoingo Well, at the station I suggested it might be more problematic for him if you don't fight back. Nearly every white person outside of the train there is usually a plain clothes police officer. He finds himself in a foreign jail ??? Profit?
18:12 pankkake human psychology's weird. you often don't end up doing what you thought you would do
18:12 Shakespeare cuz we have too many brains
18:12 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones what do you figure i (we) are doing herei n the first place ?
18:13 mircea_popescu <pankkake> I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments << mothers are to blame.
18:13 pankkake why?
18:13 BingoBoingo Looks like there aren't too many Altcoins on https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 standing between ATC and the moon.
18:13 pankkake such spread
18:13 KRS-One http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9cS7LaEAYY
18:13 ozbot tears For Fears Original 1980's video in HQ Mothers Talk - YouTube
18:13 mircea_popescu <pankkake> actually, I was scammed by my banker << you know the luis de funes movie re scammed by banker ?
18:14 pankkake I don't think I know that one
18:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]
18:14 Shakespeare <mircea_popescu> mothers are to blame. --- O! I said this to #ActM only minutes ago "Bastard begot, bastard instructed, bastard in mind ... in everything illegitimate."
18:14 mircea_popescu http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057051/
18:14 ozbot Faites sauter la banque (1964) - IMDb
18:15 pankkake haha, looks awesome
18:15 mircea_popescu <davout> do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? <<< yes.
18:15 mircea_popescu they also imagine they can just start "a security" and it'll all just fall into place
18:15 mircea_popescu they just need to sort out the website for it
18:16 KRS-One <+eoar> Bitcoin in 20 years will be like a cassette tape now. Clunky and outdated and surpassed by a much superior crypto <<<< interesting analogy
18:16 mircea_popescu lol Shakespeare
18:17 davout mircea_popescu: i understand that they imagine it, i sense there's an opportunity to arbitrage between reality and their imagination
18:17 mircea_popescu indeed.
18:17 mircea_popescu back when i was much younger i must confess
18:17 mircea_popescu we used to do this thing whereby we'd dress up nice and clean, go to some disco in the sticks, a village somewhere
18:17 Shakespeare Did you know I share the same birthday as Tony Danza and Shirley Temple?
18:17 mircea_popescu mocked all the doods and felt up all the chiks
18:18 mircea_popescu the net result being that the doods' all gather up to beat these atrociously obnoxious town bois
18:18 Jere_Jones mircea_popescu While a useful tidbit is occasionally passed along, I mostly see a lot of self-righteous "I told you so" comments about any business (I'm using the term loosely) that is less than an absolute success.
18:18 mircea_popescu except we had a trunk full of heavy equipment
18:18 mircea_popescu beat the shit out of the entire village youth
18:18 mircea_popescu counted for a weekend trip
18:18 pankkake Shakespeare: they don't have the same birthday. SCAM
18:18 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones i guess that's one way to look at it.
18:19 assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611022/plain/)
18:19 benkay !b 9
18:19 Jere_Jones The possibility exists that I am simply too inexperienced to know wisdom when it slaps me in the face like a trout.
18:19 mircea_popescu part of the problem here would be that none of those things you use the term loosely for are anywhere in range for meaningful commentary.
18:19 Shakespeare someone lied to me!
18:20 pankkake or wikipedia lies
18:20 Shakespeare Pretend I said Roy Orbison
18:21 pankkake I liked the mistery though
18:21 mircea_popescu <pankkake> why? << mothers are to blame because in their quest to protect their offspring they manage to fuck up the offspring's risk evaluator.
18:21 Jere_Jones I see a lot of "That's dumb", "They are unqualified", "They shouldn't do that". With the exception of your "So you're thinking of starting a bitcoin business" post on bitcoin-talk (which I have read multiple times), there is almost no "Thou shalt do".
18:21 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones it's mpoe-prs, and the problem with "Thou shalt do" is that a) there's a lot less of that available than you'd want, and b) people are well impervious to listening anyway.
18:22 Shakespeare this site has nice CSS http://www.famousbirthdays.com/
18:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
18:22 mircea_popescu for instance, the link to http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ has been pasted by me here 3 times, and by others more times.
18:22 Jere_Jones *I* am not impervious to listening. At least, I try not to be.
18:22 mircea_popescu in it, you will find : "Much like “nobody knows how to make movies” was generally true in Hollywood, “nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses” is generally true in Bitcoin. Nevertheless, this does not logically follow into “so then everyone has the same chances, noobs and veterans alike”. Such a proposition could not be further from the truth, because the veterans have the sizable advantage that they kn
18:22 mircea_popescu ow all the ways movies can’t be made. That’s what they’ve been doing with their years and the investors’ money up to that point : not coming one iota closer to knowing how movies can be made, but establishing vast inroads into the obviously endless topic of how they can’t in fact be made. Noobs bereft of this very valuable (in that it’s very expensive) knowledge ain’t got a prayer."
18:22 mircea_popescu now, had you read that before or is it your first time ?
18:23 Jere_Jones It has enough familiarness to it that I think I've read it before, but not enough that it sank in to any depth.
18:24 mircea_popescu ok but see ? that's the problem.
18:24 mircea_popescu this is given culture, it's a shared foundation.
18:24 mircea_popescu when i say to moiety "you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet." this is what i'm referencing.
18:25 Shakespeare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDYtH1RH-U
18:25 mircea_popescu in short : the "positive" tidbits are extremely easy to miss, because they depend on other positive tidbits
18:25 ozbot Shanghai Tower (650 meters) - YouTube
18:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087171 = 3.8704 BTC [+]
18:26 Jere_Jones I think I might be starting to understand a little of what you're saying. I shall return to my lurking, listening and learning.
18:26 mircea_popescu asking questions hurts nothing.
18:26 Shakespeare these guys are nits
18:26 Shakespeare nuts
18:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00087172 = 6.381 BTC [+] {2}
18:28 Jere_Jones Question: Exactly which WOT is the "So you want to start a business" post talking about? I know of the #bitcoin-otc wot and the mywot.com site.
18:28 mircea_popescu the former.
18:28 davout Jere_Jones: bitcoin-otc
18:29 benkay the former
18:29 benkay http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php
18:29 Jere_Jones Got it.
18:29 mircea_popescu Shakespeare no, you had it right the 1st time. nits.
18:29 mircea_popescu half a nitwit.
18:30 jurov <mircea_popescu> beat the shit out of the entire village youth << oh my what am i doing around such people again?
18:30 Jere_Jones Damn. Too bad I lost my key.
18:31 benkay 'tain't too late to spin up a new one.
18:31 mircea_popescu jurov what, i'm a lovable huggable simpleminded psychopath.
18:31 Jere_Jones http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=Jere_Jones
18:31 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones well so there you go : DON'T LOSE YOUR KEY OMFG BBQ
18:31 Jere_Jones ^ From my first bitcoin purchase
18:32 ozbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
18:32 mircea_popescu jurov i don't suppose you're liable to go around deciding to beat people because "they're on your turf" and obviously they seem like townfolk so perhaps they're not quite as hard as all that.
18:32 mircea_popescu just so happens that stuff seeming soft can in fact be as hard as coffin nails, somewhere in there.
18:32 mircea_popescu like say bitcoin.
18:34 jurov hm can't comprehend that "i don't suppose" ?
18:34 jurov should get my nightly glass of wine
18:35 mircea_popescu ya re-0read the whole thing lol
18:37 deadweasel holy shit TAT push atc in minerpart__ chan
18:37 jurov still eludes me what turf and what with hardness of townfolk
18:37 deadweasel pushing*
18:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
18:38 mircea_popescu you ever been to a rural disco ?
18:39 jurov ah now it clicked
18:39 mircea_popescu :)
18:39 jurov one has just imagine being in their skin
18:40 davout tricking people in thinking you'll be easy prey to beat them up afterwards is still evil mircea_popescu
18:40 davout but evil can be fun heh
18:41 jurov why evil? they deserve it
18:42 mircea_popescu davout no argument.
18:42 BingoBoingo http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/12/2157234/utopia-silk-roads-latest-replacement-only-lasted-nine-days
18:42 ozbot Utopia, Silk Road's Latest Replacement, Only Lasted Nine Days - Slashdot
18:42 mircea_popescu im an evil motherfucker.
18:42 davout if the original point is to go there with the goal to end up kcking their ass by tricking them into thinking you're evil so they will be the ones picking the fight is manipulation
18:42 jurov BingoBoingo: it wasn't sufficiently decentralized
18:42 davout but like i said that can be fun
18:43 benkay grownup trolling.
18:43 davout s/evil/weak/
18:43 BingoBoingo jurov: Of course. What boggles me is they had a full 900 BTC allegedly.
18:43 davout benkay: exactly
18:43 davout benkay: i'd say IRL trolling actually
18:44 BingoBoingo Related to the Utopia bust http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-biggest-bullshit-job-titles-in-tech-1521536472/@sarah-hedgecock
18:44 benkay something like that
18:44 BingoBoingo Moare hedge c0k
18:44 benkay man the worst part of working at a cafe with a great view on a busy corner is all the tail walking by i'm separated from talking to by a pane of glass
18:46 mircea_popescu benkay you should just go to an orgy already.
18:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4300 @ 0.00015044 = 0.6469 BTC [-] {8}
18:46 mircea_popescu eventually you notice you can only fuck so much and stop caring
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18:47 BingoBoingo !b 1
18:50 benkay yeah also nowhere near well enough capitalized to dress 'em all nicely either
18:51 benkay but also it's the chase mircea_popescu the chase and the conquest
18:51 benkay surely you know the routine
18:51 benkay chase? hunt.
18:52 asciilifeform the solution to the 'idiot X pays Q btc for fistfight' is: pay idiot Y, R btc, to present himself for fistfight to idiot X, where R < Q.
18:53 asciilifeform pocket the difference, and watch.
18:53 BingoBoingo ^^
18:53 jurov that's basically what i suggested to davout
18:53 asciilifeform this is not deep science.
18:54 jurov but seems he's too cultured to arrange that
18:54 BingoBoingo There's plenty of failed athletes desperate enough for the cash to allow pocketing quite the spread
18:54 asciilifeform fistcoin.
18:55 davout asciilifeform: that sounds like a very good way to harvest both lulz and profits
18:55 davout jurov: did you, sorry i must've missed it
18:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07318 = 0.3659 BTC [-] {3}
18:57 pankkake I have glasses, huge disadvantage in a fistfight
18:57 pankkake I wouln't bet on me
18:58 mircea_popescu benkay i dunno dood, i never chase.
18:58 BingoBoingo pankkake: Hire an alternate to identify as pankkake. Look for College footballers and handeggers who missed the cutoff to go pro.
18:59 jurov they don't american football in fr
18:59 davout we rugby baby
18:59 pankkake we call them rugbymen
19:00 jurov i stand corrected
19:00 BingoBoingo jurov: As a courtesy I refer to American football as handegg
19:00 davout helmets are for faggots
19:00 pankkake it's not the same
19:00 pankkake exactly
19:00 pankkake no protection
19:00 davout on concrete
19:00 pankkake :D
19:00 davout only in winter
19:00 BingoBoingo By football I mean the game with the kicking and skinny latinos
19:00 jurov and theatrical injuries
19:00 jurov and false rape claims
19:01 jurov er, no... pilots do that when hit by lasers, not footballers
19:01 davout funnily enough i calculated recently that when I solo-mined back in 2010 I was unknowingly making more money than most pro soccer stars
19:02 davout jurov: pilolz
19:02 mircea_popescu jurov wait someone raped a soccer dood ?
19:02 jurov certainly. but nobody is allowed to know
19:02 davout mircea_popescu: yes the french govt by imposing this 75% income tax on high salaries
19:03 pankkake is that why monaco is doing so well this year?
19:03 pankkake I haven't followed the details
19:03 davout pankkake: i don't really follow soccer
19:03 mircea_popescu davout that's not rape, that's citizensheep
19:04 davout mircea_popescu: explain the difference
19:04 pankkake yup Monaco does not pay the 75% tax: http://www.lefigaro.fr/sport-business/2013/12/13/20006-20131213ARTFIG00394-l-as-monaco-n-echappera-pas-a-la-taxe-a-75.php
19:04 pankkake uh
19:04 pankkake wrong
19:04 pankkake well, it does, the URL is wrong
19:04 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=461080.0
19:04 davout no the URL says "n'échappera pas"
19:04 ozbot [Cryptostocks]CFBTC - Crypto Fund BTCless seems CS/the issuer did a misstake
19:04 mircea_popescu "It seems like neither Cryptostocks or the issuer behind this have the time to read throu the contracts before they publish it these days, "
19:04 pankkake but the title say it escapes :)
19:04 davout pankkake: oh wait
19:04 pankkake confusing!
19:04 davout pankkake: you're right
19:05 mircea_popescu that's a new angle : if you read the stuff crypto-whatever wannabe exchange publishes, you're roughly in the same set with idiots and grannies that still read the spam emails they get, tune in for cnbc newscasts etc
19:05 pankkake so monaco has no 75% tax. Monaco is now 2nd in the Ligue 1 http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/ligue-1-classement.html
19:05 davout funny you mention that,
19:06 davout i happen to have a nigerian uncle that's in urgent need of 5 BTC to unlock the last presidents inheritance
19:07 davout I've always wanted to try to reverse-scam these guys, sadly gmail has a good spam filter
19:07 BingoBoingo davout: It isn't gmail. I'm finding there are generally just less spam emails in general these days
19:08 deadweasel i've marked every havelock email ever as spam, yet it still shows up.
19:08 mircea_popescu impudent cocklets moved on to greener pastures.
19:08 davout "oh sure, I'll send you these $3000 to pay attorney fees to unlock the prince's inheritance, if you could just western union me a couple hundred bucks so i can fix my bike to get to the bank"
19:08 pankkake light greylisting removed most of my spam
19:08 pankkake so only crappy botnets still spam :p
19:08 davout BingoBoingo: yeah, I think so too
19:09 BingoBoingo davout: I imagine the answer is not less botnets and spammers, but more lite/doge miners and captcha solving occupying their time now.
19:10 davout that sounds like a sensible explanation
19:10 mircea_popescu " Le ministre délégué au Budget"
19:10 mircea_popescu check out the shit france has.
19:11 BingoBoingo I mean spam doesn't even pretend to offer a return ever. Solving captchas though offers some satoshis every nao and then.
19:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00087193 = 15.6075 BTC [+] {3}
19:11 jurov BingoBoingo: that's very interesting view of *coin faucets
19:12 jurov that they are useful to drain unqualified cheap workforce pool
19:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 218753 @ 0.00013144 = 28.7529 BTC [-] {21}
19:13 davout mircea_popescu: no no, that's actually ok, we have a "Ministre du redressement productif" can you fucking believe it ?
19:13 davout incidentally it's the same guy that believes the EUR is too strong
19:13 BingoBoingo jurov: Well I mean there is substantial overlap in that most spammers are kids and most faucet users are kids. Sure there are spammers occasionally who make something through spam, but generally they are people who can find new networks (MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin) to spam before their game gets stale and the money goes missing
19:14 pankkake Ministère de la Réforme de l'État, de la Décentralisation et de la Fonction Publique
19:14 pankkake decentralisation !
19:14 mircea_popescu davout do you have une ministresse du denuement productif aussi ?
19:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30565 @ 0.00010595 = 3.2384 BTC [-] {20}
19:14 davout mircea_popescu: i think you meant dénudement
19:14 jurov Fleur Pellerin,
19:14 jurov ministre déléguée auprès du ministre du redressement productif,
19:14 mircea_popescu fuck that, nue but denudement
19:14 davout denuement means poverty
19:14 mircea_popescu wtf is with this language.
19:15 mircea_popescu ;;google fille nue
19:15 gribble Gta5 fille nue - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dixngfh3Fs>; Fille Nue - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63yLejbMxD0>; Fille nue qui se fait surprendre par son père devant sa webcam ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwH86AQpXNo>
19:15 mircea_popescu yeah them bitches look poor
19:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087061 = 32.1255 BTC [-] {2}
19:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
19:21 TestingUnoDosTre can bitcoin drop like a rock so I can drop some fiat?
19:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00004717 = 5.6604 BTC [-] {58}
19:23 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/02/kiriakou-14-0202.pdf
19:28 benkay death to the tyrant
19:28 benkay cascadia now
19:29 pankkake does the cascadian movement produce anything besides weird music?
19:29 benkay there is no movement.
19:30 benkay except maybe the one i left in the toilet this morning - now that was impressive.
19:30 mircea_popescu lots of cooties infections ?
19:30 benkay ?
19:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2563 @ 0.00010003 = 0.2564 BTC [+] {2}
19:31 mircea_popescu the cascadian movement produced weird music and a lot of new lice infections.
19:32 mircea_popescu you know, from all the free sex going out in the free country.
19:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17073 @ 0.00010002 = 1.7076 BTC [-] {5}
19:32 pankkake sex is probably too mainstream for them
19:33 mircea_popescu there is that.
19:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2299 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2299 BTC [-] {2}
19:33 mircea_popescu ever since it became small in japan sex is pretty much doomed huh.
19:34 pankkake http://coinmarketcap.com/ dogecoin now number 4
19:34 benkay for clarity - there is no movement.
19:34 punkman wink wink
19:34 mircea_popescu after alt ?!
19:35 mircea_popescu benkay you can not pull the wool over our eyes sir, we know all about it said he knowingly.
19:35 mircea_popescu pankkake ahaha ripples #2 ? dude get out of here with this bs,
19:35 mircea_popescu ripple total net worth is about -$400
19:36 pankkake last trade * total units. like mpoe :)
19:36 benkay that list is better regarded as "how much money this ccoin has sucked out of fiat"
19:36 mircea_popescu mpoe actually stands for something.
19:36 mircea_popescu benkay except not in a million years has ripple done anything of the sort lol
19:37 benkay repression of the people, iirc.
19:37 benkay 'my feeelingsssss'
19:37 mircea_popescu Sexcoin$ 539,512
19:37 mircea_popescu gimme a break.
19:37 benkay well of course it couldn't possibly account for slippage
19:37 mircea_popescu LottoCoin$ 710,196
19:37 benkay that'd entail knowing what slippage *is*
19:37 pankkake ripple was hidden on coinmarketcap, showing it by default is probably going to be its demise
19:37 mircea_popescu seriously ? that amply exposed scamcoin is worth dough ?
19:38 benkay good luck selling any.
19:38 punkman oh CMC now has two pages of coins
19:38 mircea_popescu Bitgem$ 246,833
19:38 mircea_popescu dude check it out lol. i wonder what all the people with jobs must be thinking
19:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
19:38 mircea_popescu when you could just make a gem and buy a house
19:38 Shakespeare so if ATC is .00000529
19:38 Shakespeare then we're almost at $1m
19:38 mircea_popescu CraftCoin$ 56,614
19:38 Shakespeare for all the coins ever
19:39 pankkake ;;calc 16763*512*.00000529
19:39 gribble 45.40225024
19:39 mircea_popescu anyway, the btc is 8bn out of a 10bn market story depicted there is off.
19:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.5711792 = 28.559 BTC [+] {16}
19:39 mircea_popescu bitcoin is 99.98% of a whatever it is market.
19:39 TestingUnoDosTre junkcoin $328,000
19:40 asciilifeform unless i'm missing something, no cryptocoin actually 'sucks money out of fiat'
19:40 asciilifeform unless, of course, it is generated via a 'proof of incinerated fiat bills' (serial #s?)
19:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he meant "sucks moneyness out of fiat competitors"
19:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58499996 = 6.435 BTC [+]
19:40 punkman if you have proof of incinerated bills you can get them replaced
19:40 mircea_popescu fun fact : destroying fiat bills has no destructive effect on fiat.
19:40 mircea_popescu it's merely a transfer towards the issuer.
19:40 asciilifeform quite the opposite
19:41 mircea_popescu well technically bills these days are more expensive to make than their face value, so it is a sort of pillage
19:41 TestingUnoDosTre wait what?
19:41 Shakespeare "Please provide a URL that shows the total number of coins in real time."
19:41 Shakespeare thats what coinmarketcap wants
19:41 Shakespeare as part of listing requirements
19:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00087011 = 0.7666 BTC [-]
19:41 mircea_popescu and basically you could put whatever in there
19:41 asciilifeform benjamin costs >100 usd to make?
19:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform most bills are 20s
19:42 asciilifeform and they cost >20?
19:42 pankkake they support openex?
19:42 Shakespeare dunno
19:42 Shakespeare i can try
19:42 Shakespeare but need url
19:42 mircea_popescu cause of all the security elements asciilifeform
19:42 mircea_popescu the only way to keep people from counterfitting them
19:42 pankkake I mean, I would suppose the biggest hurdle is having an exchange
19:42 mircea_popescu is to make the production process cost more than the nominal value
19:42 mircea_popescu and i do mean MAKE
19:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58945588 = 10.0207 BTC [+] {4}
19:42 pankkake number of coins, I can write a page in ~10 mins
19:43 mircea_popescu pankkake can you also write an irc bot so we can set the number of coins arbitrarily /
19:43 asciilifeform last i checked, usd are built substantially below cost at proper national mints 'after hours' (e.g. NK)
19:43 TestingUnoDosTre Im not entirely convinved
19:43 pankkake I still haven't found why that irc bot lib does not reconnect
19:43 pankkake well, the answer I got was "the maintainer is an arrogant fool"
19:43 mircea_popescu http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-100-bill-costs-60-more-to-produce-2013-10-08
19:43 mircea_popescu nm, i eat cocks.
19:44 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611293/plain/)
19:44 pankkake !b 1
19:44 asciilifeform i won't be surprised if paper money eventually gets active silicon in it
19:44 pankkake how anonymous is cash?
19:45 pankkake if you get cash out of an ATM, can it be tracked further?
19:45 Shakespeare that's how USD gets value, cost to print it
19:45 asciilifeform pankkake: if someone cares to.
19:45 Shakespeare also USD is not inflationary
19:45 punkman maybe the next gen of fake bill scanners will OCR the serial numbers
19:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
19:45 Shakespeare there is a fnite amount
19:45 Shakespeare just dunno what yet
19:46 Shakespeare still mining it
19:46 benkay buuuuwaaaaaaat
19:46 asciilifeform Shakespeare: Hilbert's Hotel.
19:46 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456252.msg5043968#msg5043968
19:46 mircea_popescu check out that title.
19:46 mircea_popescu "World's Leader in Financial Cryptocurrency Contracts IPOs"
19:47 TestingUnoDosTre TFA said 12 cents to produce a $100 USD bill
19:48 asciilifeform punkman: national mints are doomed to reinvent the blockchain. that is, if anti-counterfeiting were an actual thing, instead of a psychological 'security theatre.'
19:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am blown away that most us bills arent counterfeit atm.
19:48 Shakespeare Announcing New Exotic Ways to Be Scammed
19:48 mircea_popescu srsly, it costs 12 cents to make them and the world isn't awash in fakes ? just... how.
19:49 Shakespeare Hilbert's hotel makes no sense to me
19:49 Shakespeare all the rooms are full, end of story
19:49 asciilifeform electric theft involves considerably less physical labour.
19:49 asciilifeform (e.g. 'carding')
19:50 asciilifeform when you counterfeit paper, some poor schmuck is stuck with the job of 'passing' it
19:50 punkman for or all we know, we are awash in fakes
19:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah but carding is hip.
19:50 benkay another conspiracy theory to hasten the demise of the tyrant
19:50 mircea_popescu generally speaking you're best served by going the other way
19:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0008701 = 7.2218 BTC [-] {2}
19:50 asciilifeform the rarity of phony bills is purely an ROI issue.
19:51 benkay "90% of your 20s are made in NK"
19:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for that matter, the carded amount has to be gotten out of the bank
19:51 TestingUnoDosTre what is this carding you speak of?
19:51 mircea_popescu there's really no difference
19:51 asciilifeform 'carders' traditionally sell the stolen credentials for (pennies on the dollar) 'clean' money
19:51 Shakespeare pankkake if you write that code to spit out total current ATC, i can add it to the home page... assuming it's as simple as that
19:52 asciilifeform to those who can process them industrially.
19:52 asciilifeform using tame banks.
19:52 mircea_popescu so then there's exactly no difference.
19:52 pankkake it's not that simple, you need a running node and update script
19:52 mircea_popescu those who make bills also sell them for pennies on the dollar to those who have the means to pass them
19:53 mircea_popescu pankkake Shakespeare just write an interpolation script by time
19:53 pankkake so I can host it on my server, but you can't really make calls from server to server that easily
19:53 asciilifeform correct. except that bills have to move physically. this is expensive.
19:53 mircea_popescu nobody cares, nobody checks, the bitcoin algo is quite efficient at stabilizing issuance in spite of hash volatility
19:53 mircea_popescu adjust it once a month or w/e
19:53 pankkake actually… does your hosting allow php or something?
19:53 Shakespeare yes
19:53 Shakespeare i have it on namecheap
19:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not THAT expensive or else amazon'd be out of business.
19:54 asciilifeform 'carding' as we know it is actually a creature of u.s. and british banks. which profit from it.
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19:54 pankkake ok, cool, writing now
19:54 mircea_popescu how do banks profit from carding ?
19:54 asciilifeform 'chargebacks', issued when fraud is discovered, are plucked out of merchants.
19:54 asciilifeform they eat the loss, plus a penalty fee.
19:55 mircea_popescu but that'd be visa and mastercard
19:55 mircea_popescu wich aren't banks
19:55 asciilifeform ah, yes.
19:56 asciilifeform they're 'banks' in the medieval sense, one could say. but, sure.
19:56 mircea_popescu anyway, it's more complicated than that. if you think paypal is paying anyone anything when it gets chargebacked...
19:56 asciilifeform the merchant loses whatever $ was stolen, plus some.
19:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014476 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {3}
19:56 mircea_popescu small time merchants with a shop or w/e are being reamed, but that doesn't really show in the bottom line
19:57 mircea_popescu large merchants are immune to chargebacks.
19:57 mircea_popescu (actually some strategic large merchants get paid to use cards on a regular basis
19:57 mircea_popescu it used to be 8% in romania for a while, until the card people finally gave up_
19:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3748 @ 0.00014498 = 0.5434 BTC [+] {2}
19:58 punkman the chargeback fines are paid to whoever is processing the merchant's transactions
19:58 asciilifeform yeah, it would be quite surprising if 'amazon' were reamed to the same depth as a corner shop.
19:58 punkman not Visa/Mastercard
19:58 mircea_popescu Visa processes, what are you talking about ?
19:59 punkman Visa fines the processors too, but on a different scale
20:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.16550606 BTC to 321`963 shares, 362 satoshi per share
20:00 asciilifeform fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
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20:00 punkman mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquiring_bank
20:02 asciilifeform instead, we see expensive (active silicon) but deliberately-porous crap, e.g. british 'chip&pin.'
20:03 decimation I strongly suspect that Costco is paid by American Express to accept Amex cards only
20:04 asciilifeform incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM.
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20:05 asciilifeform (i could draw a picture of why, but i'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader.)
20:05 decimation Ascii does an RFID card exist which implements RSA?
20:06 asciilifeform decimation: probably. but not economically.
20:06 asciilifeform one important fact is that u.s. card issuers love sending 'spam cards' via mail
20:06 decimation It seems obvious that some sort of portable public key device is the solution for secure finance
20:06 asciilifeform these folks are not interested in securing anything aside from themselves.
20:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12592 @ 0.00087086 = 10.9659 BTC [+]
20:07 decimation No, it's depressing. Who is the greater criminal? The carder or the banks who enable him?
20:08 asciilifeform i (and millions of others) get spam cards in the mail. anyone who can discover some very accessible biographical data can activate said card, should he break the mailbox, and borrow $.
20:08 asciilifeform then 'prove you're not a camel.'
20:08 pankkake banks sue people who explain how easy carding is
20:09 asciilifeform so rsa card would have to somehow cost less than the customary plastic turd, for them to even consider it.
20:09 asciilifeform (how?)
20:10 pankkake "Serge Humpich is a person who discovered a serious flaw in the Carte Bleue system used in France for credit cards. He was convicted in 2000 to a ten months suspended sentence. He was 36 at the time, and lost his job as a result of the case."
20:10 asciilifeform these are a dime a dozen.
20:10 asciilifeform like the british folks who were jailed for refusing to pay fraudulent charges on their accounts.
20:11 herbijudlestoids hullo kids
20:11 asciilifeform (at one time, and perhaps still, the courts there presumed guilt on the part of the complaining card holder)
20:12 mircea_popescu punkman " Visa and MasterCard levy fines against acquiring banks that retain merchants with high chargeback frequency. "
20:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 7.41147624 BTC to 19`467 shares, 38072 satoshi per share
20:12 asciilifeform pankkake: take-home lesson - found a hole? sell it to spammers and stfu. play your part in the food chain.
20:12 mircea_popescu seems that your link supports the notion it is indeed visa fining.
20:13 punkman when the merchant pays $30 to the processing bank, they don't turn around and give it to visa
20:13 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response << even if it has a challenge system, if it's made by the bank ppl... heh. glwt.
20:13 mircea_popescu o look, it's a herbijudlestoids
20:14 asciilifeform btc <-> the code. code -> rfid emitter.
20:14 decimation The greater criminal is the fiat central planners who enable the whole system
20:15 mircea_popescu decimation so basically all crime stems from the existence of the state.
20:15 herbijudlestoids i been sick as a fucken dog
20:15 herbijudlestoids no work done this week :(
20:15 herbijudlestoids on the plus side, i own ~200 ATC
20:15 mircea_popescu we thought you were butthurt as a fucken interneteer
20:15 herbijudlestoids im riech biech
20:15 asciilifeform prediction: at some point ATMs will require the user to stuff his hand in a 'monkey trap.' if the transaction is deemed 'suspicious', the clamps close.
20:15 decimation well, if you believe mancur olson the state are the stationary bandits who have grown fat and lazy
20:15 mircea_popescu http://www.parodie.com/english/smartcard.htm < why is this named parodie.com
20:16 asciilifeform 'suspicious,' naturally, will mean that the heuristic suspects the luser of operating a (btc market, etc) card spoofer.
20:16 decimation ascii, it would seem foolish to have an RFID with no challenge; as you point out it would make carding even simpler
20:16 asciilifeform and yet it is SOP now.
20:16 asciilifeform most of the new cards have it.
20:17 asciilifeform electromagnetic pickpockets are already busy.
20:17 decimation There is talk amoung the elites in the us that there will be a push toward 'chip&pin'
20:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and consequently making an android masturbator will be illegal because it could be used to plug the claw ?
20:18 asciilifeform something like that.
20:18 asciilifeform 'circumvention device !1!!'
20:18 mircea_popescu yeah, i see great future for the fiat system.
20:19 decimation As Mr. Yarvin points out, post-fiat dollars will still have some value as "federal brownie points"
20:19 mircea_popescu confederate money still have some value.
20:20 decimation it will be a long time before states give up on the fiat fantasy - even while everyone is banking ducats
20:20 herbijudlestoids just going through the log
20:20 herbijudlestoids isnt the number of altcoins simply block height * 512?
20:21 mircea_popescu yes it is.
20:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00086959 = 23.4789 BTC [-] {2}
20:21 mike_c for now. once we get that cointerra hardware on the network the halving will happen soon.
20:21 asciilifeform http://books.google.com/books?id=wdN0AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT26&dq=kerensky
20:22 herbijudlestoids so all we need for the realtime thingy is someone running altcoind and a webserver essentially?
20:22 mircea_popescu decimation it's not even a fantasy. has plenty of actual usecases.
20:22 mircea_popescu "good for one fuck" nudie party tokens.
20:22 herbijudlestoids here is some MPOE data, almost 1000 ticks in my sample finally.... http://imgur.com/46vH0ZV,6sbysnV,6nw9ZRM,sU2iaNQ price, vols, distribution of 20TickRet, DPO
20:22 mircea_popescu "good for one spin" casino chips
20:22 mircea_popescu etc
20:23 kakobrekla i think you can use blockr api for altcoin
20:23 decimation sure; the fantasy is that fiat will hold value at its quantity approaches infinity
20:24 mircea_popescu a, that.
20:24 mircea_popescu pretty cool.
20:24 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: lets say i place a huge at market MPOE buy order into the book and it clears the book for like twenty levels. what price does assbot report the tick completing at?
20:24 mircea_popescu vwap
20:25 herbijudlestoids so my tick chart looks a little funny cos of that i guess
20:25 decimation I have a small collection of Weimar Marks
20:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00569804 = 0.5698 BTC [+] {5}
20:26 mircea_popescu funny how ?
20:26 herbijudlestoids its got that huge gap
20:26 herbijudlestoids also i was looking at (what i assume is the daily) chart of MPOE on mpex.co
20:27 herbijudlestoids definitely some of those bars look like someone clearing the book and then retail nublets executing much smaller orders at market after the book is cleared
20:27 decimation ascii the disadvantages gold has are advantages for bitcoin
20:28 asciilifeform "You should hold on to some cash, for purely didactic purposes. I remember my great-grandmother, who passed away when I was seven, and I remember playing with her little hoard of kerenki - ruble notes in ridiculously high yet worthless denominations that had been issued by the Russian Provisional Government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Alexander Kerensky... ... I was quite taken with the ten-thousand
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20:28 asciilifeform -ruble note, which seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and was very surprised to hear that it was completely worthless and that I could take one and use it as a bookmark (which I did). It was not until the 1990s that Russia again issued a note in that denomination, which likewise became worthless soon after it was printed."
20:28 decimation indeed, I have a 100,000 mark note
20:29 decimation it's a useful conversation stopper for anyone who thinks fiat is a great long-term savings vehicle
20:29 BingoBoingo I wonder what part Hearn might have had in transaction malleability suddely becoming a problem
20:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00086796 = 28.9031 BTC [-] {4}
20:31 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yeah that's prolly because your dataset only has one drop
20:31 asciilifeform "... And so, you too should hold on to a few dollar, or euro, or ruble or yuan notes, in the highest denominations available at the time they all become worthless, as a keepsake. Then you will be able to show them to your great-grandchildren and say, 'Can you imagine, this ugly piece of paper was once a prized possession!' And your great-grandchildren will no doubt think that you are a little bit senile, but th
20:31 asciilifeform en they will probably think that anyway, because by then you probably will be. But it certainly won't be helpful to hold on to multiple shoeboxes full of old currency, because then your great-grandchildren will think that you are in fact insane, because no sane person would be hoarding such trash. It is important that they don't think that, because the lesson is an important one: chances are that during their l
20:31 asciilifeform ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam."
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20:32 decimation it's the biggest scam going
20:34 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo inasmuch as it's mostly a reddit driven "omg we're retarded" panic, i doubt anyhing at all.
20:34 decimation One must wonder, if each country in the world is truly soveirgn, why hasn't it occured to any of them to reinstate the gold standard?
20:34 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: not sure if the netsplit caused my bot to miss any ticks, but otherwise cant think of any reason why it would only have one
20:35 asciilifeform i (and countless other people) got a boyhood education in fiat. when my folks were packing for the u.s., i traded in a shoebox full of rubles for $1.
20:35 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, after the great fork of 11 months ago a blaming Hearn because redditards suck at picking primary key values for databases seems reasonable. (I mean both "crises" are essentially database problems)
20:35 asciilifeform for the $1, bought a keychain in a 'dollar store' when we landed. still got it.
20:35 mircea_popescu decimation but it has. romania for instance is on the gold standard.
20:36 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well sure, but the differences are more marked than the similarities.
20:37 decimation I thought they were already on the euro - good for them if they have avoided it so far
20:37 mircea_popescu nah, the local cb guy nixed the euro long ago, much to everyone's wtfitude. turns out he was right.
20:37 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, that depends. 11 months ago there was a ridiculously central database derpocolypse. Nao there is a more subtle derpocolypse that doesn't seem as critical, but happens to hammer the fiat/BTC interface players hard while actual BTC cared about working too much to make those mistakes.
20:38 mircea_popescu romania has since been stockpiling gold, it holds more per capita than most countries, and it enjoys the advantages
20:38 mircea_popescu (for instance, the leu is worth in dollars/euros/whatever else exactly as much as romania says it is worth)
20:38 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo maybe we're not talking about the same thing. what exactly is "hammering the fiat/btc" interface ?
20:38 decimation well that makes their state funded gold mine even more retarded
20:38 asciilifeform "To this day pots of late-Roman gold are periodically dug up in England during excavations of Roman villas; the residents of these villas were unable to derive any benefit from their hoards as their empire collapsed and the Dark Age closed in around them." (further from herr Orlov)
20:39 mircea_popescu decimation except it wouldn't be state funded.
20:39 mircea_popescu it'd be "private", as in romanian govt gives to some random third party the place and gets in exchange some nothing at all.
20:39 decimation ok; that's even worse
20:40 mircea_popescu well yes.
20:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Rendering the Gox and Stamp, two cans and a string exchanges with these corrected transactions (corrected because leading zeros in signatures suck).
20:40 decimation why not declare the whole thing part of the romanian central bank to be mined an paid when it advantages Romania?
20:40 mircea_popescu it's one of those "hey, let you give us free money" deals a la coinbase.
20:40 mircea_popescu decimation i was under the impression i had said exactly that :D
20:40 decimation Indeed.
20:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know that a) gox is lieing about it being a problem and b) all the other scammers happy to follow suit
20:41 mircea_popescu because hey, it's a golden opportunity.
20:41 benkay plus the moles might get to slip some bullshit into the newer client protocol
20:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course. And should they weather this storm to scam again, the retardedness of their excuse makes their herp all the more evident.
20:41 mircea_popescu plus that.
20:42 asciilifeform i still predict that gox et al will eventually 'repay' the chumps in a scamcoin minted for the purpose.
20:42 decimation Is there a coherent analysis of this supposed transaction problem somewhere?
20:42 mircea_popescu decimation nope.
20:42 mircea_popescu but you should write it, save me the trouble.
20:42 decimation You also said in the past that the 'dev team' ought to write a complete api/interface spec
20:42 BingoBoingo decimation: I've been drafting one this week. Dunno if I will get techincal enough for you decimation
20:43 BingoBoingo decimation: No mircea_popescu Wants a spec.
20:43 mircea_popescu decimation i merely observed that whoever is doing that is the dev team
20:43 mircea_popescu and anyone else claiming to be the dev team is roughly in the position of various people on the forum claiming to be financiers.
20:43 decimation well, something is better than nothing. It sucks to wade through crap cpp code to find out how something works
20:43 BingoBoingo AH, sorry eye lag, vodka
20:44 BingoBoingo decimation: The thing is this problem nao isn't in the BTC code at all.
20:44 BingoBoingo At least not as I understand problem and BTC code
20:45 BingoBoingo As I understand the narrative, this is a n00bier database problem than 11 months ago.
20:47 benkay decimation: are you interested in working on a BNF rendering of the bitcoin network protocol?
20:47 BingoBoingo The problem is Derp php coders making website.
20:47 benkay hey BingoBoingo you stop talking shit on PHP okay?
20:47 benkay it stands for Professional Hardcore Programmers for a reason, mang.
20:47 BingoBoingo benkay: PHP is great for what it does well.
20:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.07793684 = 1.247 BTC [+] {6}
20:47 decimation I don't have expertise in that; I'm better at dsp code
20:48 benkay nor do i, but it's clearly the right thing to do and an extremely useful tool to know (BNF, that is)
20:49 benkay besides
20:49 pankkake Pee Hash Pee
20:49 benkay THERE IS NO FORMAL DEFINITION OF THE NETWORK PROTOCOL
20:50 mircea_popescu derp.
20:50 decimation after reading enough of the loper blog I'm beginning to fantasize about bitcoin written in forth
20:51 mircea_popescu start small, do it in 3rd first.
20:51 benkay herp.
20:51 decimation heh
20:51 benkay lisp zeroth
20:51 benkay decimation if you like forth you'll love green arrays
20:51 benkay http://www.greenarraychips.com/
20:52 decimation I played around with the javascript forth interpreter here: http://www.forthfreak.net/jsforth.html
20:52 decimation I fondly recall my hp-48 RPN programming in my youth
20:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7949 @ 0.00086721 = 6.8935 BTC [-]
20:53 benkay baw haw haw javascript anything i cry
20:53 decimation yeah the concept of forth on javascript is hilarious, but it's a fun toy
20:54 decimation I saw that greenarrays stuff
20:54 BingoBoingo An interesting contest might be to see who can develop a cryptocurrency incorporating features agreed to be essential to bitcoin in the least amount of code (self contained so any calls that would be to external libraries have to be brought in)
20:55 decimation ideally - reduce it down to a credit card form factor
20:55 mircea_popescu before yo ucan do that yotu need a protocol.
20:55 decimation true. so many interesting advancements must wait for a well-documented spec
20:56 mircea_popescu decimation as a point of strategy, the would-be dev team power ranges may be foolish, but they're useful fools.
20:56 BingoBoingo Making a minimal functional client for the purposes of documenting a spec might make a rather ultimate battlegound in the C vs. LISP wars
20:57 mircea_popescu a shoddy bitcoin #1 is actually quite useful, you can have bitcoin #2 all prepared in the background.
20:57 pankkake I'll just do "import bitcoin" in Python, a la https://xkcd.com/353/
20:57 Azelphur Python programmer as day job, can confirm.
20:58 benkay if i might offer a different perspective, there are several disparate concerns that could be tackled independently and independent of language wars.
20:58 mircea_popescu benkay by thinking people.
20:58 benkay there's the network client, the thing responsible for connecting to the bitcoin/litecoin/altcoin network downloading blocks and broadcasting txns
20:59 benkay and then there's blockchain validation
20:59 decimation these can and ought to be split into modules
20:59 pankkake http://protocoin.readthedocs.org/
20:59 benkay indeed
21:00 benkay (outta my face - where's the source?!?!)
21:00 benkay in any event
21:00 mircea_popescu http://xkcd.com/276/
21:00 herbijudlestoids @276
21:01 benkay i believe (and i'm open to suggestions and corrections from those wiser and more experienced than myself) that the appropriate implementation path for both the blockchain validatoin and the network client is a state machine describing the valid states of the validator and network client respectively, the messages they can process and what states those messages kick each machine into
21:01 benkay what's more, a state machine approach satisfies the "spec" that mircea_popescu has been going on for lo these many forevers
21:01 mircea_popescu sounds about right.
21:02 benkay it's a formal definition of bitcoin, as opposed to the ad-hoc cpp hairball-as-canonical-thinger
21:03 benkay or it would be if anyone would write it
21:03 BingoBoingo Archival fail, or why paper doesn't make the best "paper" wallets http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2014/2/12/mold-destroys-600000-library-books/
21:03 mike_c it's not clicking why a state machine would make it great.
21:04 decimation yeah that sounds legit. I wish the same brain who invented bitcoin were around to help perfect it.
21:05 mike_c what are a couple states the machine would pass through? I don't see it.
21:05 mike_c take the blockchain validator for instance.
21:05 benkay i'd rather take the network client actually
21:06 benkay state: init
21:06 benkay transition to state: exchange version messages
21:06 mircea_popescu decimation ever heard of decentralisation ? :D
21:07 benkay transition to state: getblocks | state: getaddrs
21:07 mike_c yeah, so, i believe all the hairiness would be in implementing what goes on in those states anyway. i'm not sure structuring the high level stuff around states would neccesarily make it much cleaner.
21:07 BingoBoingo Someone found a pricing error: Basketball SE Missouri State 70 Tenn Martin 79Tenn Martin ML 2 hours ago 7.060 / +606 ฿ 0.005 ฿ 0.0303 paid
21:07 mircea_popescu mike_c what'd be the alternative ?
21:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012542 = 1.1288 BTC [-] {8}
21:09 mike_c it being a state machine is an implementation detail. a definition and spec would make the world better.
21:10 mircea_popescu the wet being water isn't an implementation detail, is it ?
21:11 mircea_popescu it's a state machine whether we know/admit/notice this or not.
21:11 benkay ^^
21:12 mike_c any program can be thought of that way.
21:12 benkay and maybe most should?
21:12 mike_c it's the definiton & spec of what goes on in those states that is more needed.
21:13 benkay the english definition's been written by those who are capable of writing english definitions and not state machines, and its time for someone to write the state machine
21:13 benkay 'cause WHOOO BOY have you read the textual spec?
21:14 mike_c so a UML diagram helps? I don't think it does.
21:14 benkay mike_c: you can compile a formally defined state machine into a parser in the language of your choice. it's not an academic exercise.
21:14 92AAAD6TI are you saying that a graph is defined by how its nodes are labeled and not their relationships?
21:14 mike_c yes, rational rose will convert UML to code. shitty code that is far from done.
21:15 benkay oh god ibm
21:15 mike_c whoa, we chased everyone away
21:15 benkay try Ragel.
21:16 benkay or something industry hardened like BNF
21:16 herbijudlestoids nah im still here
21:16 mike_c But what you end with is the same thing we have "the code is the spec".
21:16 herbijudlestoids sorry, was raging to my team about the shittiest con call i was just on
21:17 benkay except a CPP hairball is not a formal definition, and BNF is, well, a formal definition.
21:18 mike_c would you want to try and understand a complex system by reading BNF?
21:18 BingoBoingo Hell, even a hairball of K&R C could almost pass muster as a spec
21:18 herbijudlestoids gribble is dead?
21:19 BingoBoingo Oh, DDoS time I see
21:19 decimation it seems freenode is messed up
21:19 B007_ mircea_popescu: I still want to be un-poor
21:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53600002 = 1.072 BTC [-] {2}
21:19 BingoBoingo B007: We all want to be unpoor
21:19 B007_ I know
21:19 BingoBoingo B007: Unpoor is predicated on willingness to learn though
21:20 herbijudlestoids https://medium.com/matter/76d9913c6011
21:20 mike_c benkay: did you survive ddos? i wasn't asking rhetorically.
21:20 benkay mike_c: it's the difference between algebra and java.
21:20 benkay i went to the bathroom
21:20 herbijudlestoids "What tear gas taught me about twitter and the NSA"
21:20 herbijudlestoids good articlde.
21:20 benkay ping mike_c
21:20 mike_c ah :) i guess i'm saying i wouldn't want algebra or java to be the spec.
21:20 BingoBoingo I can't stand medium.com
21:20 BingoBoingo Too much javascript.
21:21 benkay algebra is entirely acceptable for the spec of both network protocol and blockchain parsing.
21:21 benkay arguably, if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be fucking with it, and if you can't spend the time to learn the notation ditto.
21:21 benkay bitcoin is most emphatically not for dilletantes.
21:21 Mats_cd03 i have a great idea: what if someone offered a service for n number of nodes spawned through e.g. digitalocean
21:22 Mats_cd03 crowdfunded by a btc addr
21:22 benkay you lost me at crowdfunded baby
21:22 BingoBoingo benkay: Some parts of bitcoin are friendlier to dilettantes than others.
21:22 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i understand, and apologise, but still, would value thoughts and opinions on what i think is a good article. if you like i can pastebin it?
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00086717 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2}
21:22 Mats_cd03 everytime you hit $n dollars another one gets spun up for y days
21:22 benkay BingoBoingo: yeah, like the part where you buy 'em.
21:22 benkay not even the part where you guarantee their security yourself as the buying party.
21:22 B007_ digitalocean will lock your accout automatically if they recieve abuse complaints about you
21:23 mike_c yeah.. not about understanding the notation. i can read assembly too, but i'd rather read C. but perhaps for something like the network protocol you're right.
21:23 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I suffered through reading it. It isn't bad. I've found tear gas relatively not that bad.
21:23 benkay lissen mike_c i gotta dip a few blocks over to a nerd thing i'll be back online in like 20 or 30 minutes
21:23 Mats_cd03 is that something you think people would be interested in
21:23 mike_c k, later
21:24 decimation Mats; I doubt anyone here wants to reinvent S3
21:24 BingoBoingo benkay: I'd venture even securing coins is something a casual user could do.
21:24 BingoBoingo So long as the coins are one's personal coins
21:27 herbijudlestoids decimation: you mean like openstack swift has done? ;) but i dont think thats what he was referring to
21:27 herbijudlestoids i think hes just saying bitcoind VM instances, spawned in IaaS, funded by BT
21:27 herbijudlestoids BTC*
21:28 decimation ok, how would that help anyone?
21:29 herbijudlestoids decimation: someone was complaining earlier that the number of nodes in the bitcoin network running the actual "reference implementation" that avoids this transaction malleability issue has dropped from ~10,000s in 2011 to ~1000 today
21:29 herbijudlestoids or something like that
21:29 mike_c A formal definition for protocol is necessary, but also insufficient. So now you know "how". But if you don't know "why", you are still going to end up fucked. The why is more important.
21:29 herbijudlestoids http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2014#498502
21:29 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
21:29 decimation mike, I think the "why" can only be conveyed in plain English, like an RFC
21:30 herbijudlestoids ~60k to ~1k
21:30 mike_c yeah, me too.
21:30 mike_c let's get some PEP's in here.
21:30 herbijudlestoids decimation: so it doesnt help in any way except in regards to that complaint
21:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013817 = 0.4145 BTC [-] {4}
21:34 mircea_popescu2 da fuck i just been targetted
21:34 herbijudlestoids nah ddos
21:35 Mats_cd03 I think it'd be easy, I might even start writing the code now just to see it happen
21:35 B007_ mircea_popescu2: targetted?
21:35 mircea_popescu2 i ended up having to connect by ip because chat.freenode.net for some reason was resolving to a suspicious ip
21:35 nubbins` http://imgur.com/qLVTsVU
21:35 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
21:35 B007_ oh freenode
21:35 nubbins` behold the bounty of nubbins`
21:36 Mats_cd03 Nice
21:36 B007_ is mircea_popescu2 even the real one
21:36 B007_ i mean it has a 2
21:36 B007_ suspicious
21:36 nubbins` who cares
21:37 B007_ idk
21:37 nubbins` heh
21:37 nubbins` check hostmask
21:37 B007_ nah
21:38 nubbins` got two round loaves in the oven now
21:38 B007_ I want som
21:38 B007_ I'm hungry as fuck
21:39 nubbins` sourdough w/ flax
21:39 nubbins` lots of omega 3, good for ya
21:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu2: Well, if they serve you a suspicious IP at least you can know it isn't the meta-nsa
21:44 MisterE BingoBoingo: the problem is Gox's own fuckedup internal wallet system that allowed double spending.
21:45 MisterE the BTC malleability bug has been known for better part of a year
21:45 BingoBoingo MisterE: Right, but that is like a super n00by database problem
21:45 mike_c if only they had a PEP to refer to when working on their custom shit.
21:45 MisterE Typical Japanese / Asian to blame anything other than themselves to save face
21:45 MisterE sorry if thats sterotyping lived here 8-years, its true
21:46 MisterE BingoBoingo: I reckon it was a problem with scaling
21:46 pankkake are those custom wallets really necessary?
21:46 mike_c custom shit is always necessary when you scale big.
21:47 MisterE FB almost went dark because they couldn't scale their php to run in huge distributed environments well
21:47 BingoBoingo MisterE: Seems if they are are honest more of a problem of picking the wrong values to use as database primary keys.
21:47 MisterE a couple breakthroughs such as hiphop and the hip hop vm jit compiler saved their ass by like weeks
21:47 pankkake well facebook is a pile of bad decisions
21:47 MisterE I suspect Cox ran into a similar wall but without FBs resources
21:47 MisterE lol pankkake maybe a bad example
21:48 MisterE especially in this channle
21:48 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu nope. me, i use lex and yacc, and even those only when it cannot be helped.
21:48 MisterE maybe 1/10 have FB here?
21:48 pankkake anyway, you could also run multiple bitcoinds
21:48 MisterE ^
21:48 MisterE eventually this is the future
21:49 MisterE transactions must move out of the blockchain it cant grow forever
21:49 BingoBoingo The Gox, if they are reliable narrators, problem is they rely on txid as a primary key in their databases. txid makes a poor primary key
21:49 MisterE so exchanges have their own internal chains
21:49 MisterE hmm
21:49 benkay back
21:50 BingoBoingo MisterE: Exchanges don't have their own internal chains. They just handle the actual chain poorly
21:50 MisterE they will
21:50 MisterE they must there can't be 1 chain forever
21:51 pankkake you don't need a blockchain internally if you have trust
21:51 MisterE already coinbase does internal wallets stuff
21:51 mike_c benkay: i decided we need PEPs first, not BNF.
21:51 pankkake by multiple bitcoinds I just meant multiple bitcoinds. like multiple frontend servers
21:51 MisterE if you transfer within CB it doesn;t show in the blockchain
21:51 MisterE not sure exactly what they are doing
21:52 MisterE they sure do fill up my timeline with tweets a lot though
21:53 mircea_popescu2 that was trippy
21:53 MisterE the best investment in BTC is infrastructure provider, who got rich on ever gold rush? not the miners, the people who sold them gear. BTC network infrastructure for transactions is the future of financial transactions even if BTC is not the coin / currency in use
21:54 mircea_popescu MisterE who are you and what makes you think you have something to say ?
21:54 MisterE :P
21:54 MisterE nobody / arrogance
21:54 mircea_popescu mkay.
21:55 mike_c http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/
21:55 MisterE anybody who says they know shit about BTC should be ignored
21:55 ozbot Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
21:55 benkay oh you decided on PEPs did you?
21:55 benkay ^^ mike_c
21:55 mike_c 2014 version: because you can withdraw your bitcoin
21:55 mike_c benkay: yes. need the why more than the how.
21:55 benkay mike_c: is that a reference to the Python Enhancement Proposal?
21:56 mike_c yes
21:56 asciilifeform ok what's this talk of state machines ?
21:56 benkay no man bitcoin is in feature freeze
21:56 mike_c feature freeze is fine, write PEPs for the features already existing :)
21:56 benkay asciilifeform!
21:57 asciilifeform benkay: here i am
21:57 benkay for sensible, constrained declarations of a) network client behaviors and b) blockchain parsing
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00087086 = 29.9576 BTC [+]
21:58 asciilifeform sort of how i once pontificated re: fpga implementation of bitcoind (e.g. verilog) would be a good 'cruft shedder' exercise.
21:59 BingoBoingo Oh, davout's gone.
21:59 mircea_popescu mike_c lol
21:59 B007 I'm soooo hungry
21:59 MisterE pizza!
21:59 mircea_popescu for the lolz of it : mpex actually discontinued withdrawals first
21:59 asciilifeform 'rotary debugger.'
21:59 mircea_popescu it's just in mpex' case it's been a private joke rather than the sad reality
21:59 mike_c my counterargument was that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of those is less useful than an english spec explaining rationale.
21:59 B007 mircea_popescu: how many btc do you have
22:00 B007 don't lie
22:00 mircea_popescu B007 some.
22:00 MisterE thats not polite
22:00 MisterE how rich / poor are you?
22:00 B007 poor
22:00 B007 and you?
22:00 Mats_cd03 jurov: beep
22:00 mircea_popescu there's some post where the girl's counting it much to pietilla's delight.
22:00 MisterE in debt :/
22:01 B007 yeah
22:01 B007 school?
22:01 MisterE naah worse, health
22:01 mike_c fpga that did blockchain parsing would completely ignore tx malleabiality (as it should). PEP would tell you WHY you are ignoring it, so when you are writing custom shit you don't mess it up.
22:01 BingoBoingo MisterE: Who isn't being polite nao
22:01 asciilifeform mike_c: i'd love to read 'Bitcoin, the book.' with rationales. but it would be of little worth without a strictly-minimal, brain-loadable reference implementation.
22:01 asciilifeform with no sharp edges.
22:01 mircea_popescu ^
22:01 MisterE :p nevermind me, I'm a n00b here and dunno who is friends
22:01 mircea_popescu we can have that novel written sometime in 2050
22:02 mike_c but but, perfect implementation does not help you when you are adding things.
22:02 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/TomHoepfner/status/431739694250856448 << max keiser offloading the support task for his shitcoin upon freenode staff :D
22:02 ozbot Twitter / TomHoepfner: @freenodestaff ok, thx - was ...
22:02 mike_c both necessary, but perfect implementation is insufficient.
22:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
22:03 mircea_popescu mike_c there's no particular requirement that people who don't already know the rationales sould be involved in writing any code.
22:03 mike_c and less important while we are applying our limited resources.
22:03 B007 http://ponzi.io/
22:03 B007 lol
22:04 mike_c hmm. interesting point. it just makes for a bumpier ride.
22:04 BingoBoingo MisterE: Well, in Bitcoin polite is neither asking now answering exaclty how much BTC one holds. If you must ask, Roughly or Publically how much BTC do you hold is on the line of acceptable. As far as answering though even saying "I hold between zero and inside your mom right now BTC" is still polite.
22:04 MisterE :P it is still irc afterall
22:05 MisterE too bad I missed out on the ponzi
22:05 B007 I hope no btc is in ur mom
22:05 BingoBoingo MisterE Bitcoin introduces interesting features though, like information is only privledged one way.
22:05 MisterE if it goes back to $1k I'll go in there and retrieve it :d
22:05 mike_c the problem is bitcoin has no competition. so we get away with doing a crappy job.
22:06 MisterE hmm good point
22:06 B007 anon wants money 176im9MN1AbWFJZ9saFnCgXXGZB4iBABhH
22:07 MisterE I dunno why countries that want to break the dollar hegemony already like S. American's who have been fucked by the US / CIA for decades don't start their own cryptocurrency
22:07 BingoBoingo B007: But a laundry maker in your pooper, write Bingo on your left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek. I'll pay 0.01 BTC for the picture.
22:07 MisterE they want their own NSA proof internets, impossible I know, but...
22:07 asciilifeform MisterE: they have runaway mints of their own. national scamcoins, on the other hand, are inevitable.
22:08 MisterE yea I recon so
22:08 B007 wtf is a laundry maker
22:08 BingoBoingo B007: A sharpie in American terms.
22:08 MisterE marker*
22:08 B007 oh a marker
22:08 B007 lol
22:09 MisterE :p
22:09 BingoBoingo B007: if anon wants BTC they have to play their pooper
22:09 B007 nah
22:10 BingoBoingo B007: You might be agreeable to that price next year, but the offer won't be there.
22:10 mike_c mircea_popescu: wait. i disagree. how are you supposed to learn the rationale? this is why something BingoBoingo collecting satoshi's mails are useful.
22:11 B007 or it will be morthles
22:11 mike_c *something like
22:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087023 = 11.4 BTC [-]
22:11 B007 *worthless
22:11 mircea_popescu mike_c yes, you ask, you read, you whatever.
22:11 mircea_popescu basically a pull rather than a push for now because we aren't yet as formalised
22:11 BingoBoingo B007: No, next year it might be worth too much to spend on your dignity. Buttcoins are purely deflationary.
22:11 B007 mircea_popescu: where is my money
22:11 mircea_popescu how was one supposed to think logically before aristotle got around to writing logics ?
22:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.0008351 = 0.1503 BTC [+]
22:12 mike_c yes, which is why i think the logic of bitcoin being organized is more important than the perfect implementation.
22:12 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, they debated Parimenides versus Heraclitus and just raped each other.
22:12 mike_c ok, i've beaten this horse.
22:13 B007 its dead
22:13 asciilifeform the question is not of a 'perfect' implementation,
22:13 mircea_popescu but of a definite one.
22:13 mircea_popescu something natural language will never be.
22:13 asciilifeform but of one that can actually be understood, by a reasonably-intelligent person, with reasonable effort.
22:13 asciilifeform the way one understands a kalashnikov.
22:14 asciilifeform (what values of 'reasonable', depends on the intrinsic complexity of the problem.)
22:14 MisterE mike_c: at this point in time I agree
22:15 asciilifeform 'natural language' only has a place here as a teaching aid.
22:15 MisterE eventualy you have to ship
22:15 asciilifeform and never as a substitute for mechanics.
22:15 mike_c yes. and perhaps satoshi could write that. barring that, i think the order should be: we agree on the rationale, then are capable of writing the kalishnikov version.
22:15 mircea_popescu no, because this is not art an we aren't making a vase.
22:15 mircea_popescu this is science, we're describing an actual real process.
22:16 asciilifeform the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the computation itself.
22:16 mircea_popescu it's not a matter of agreeing how we'd like the vase to look, but a matter of representing how gravity actually and in fact does work
22:16 mike_c you don't build the perfect factory by starting to build the machines. you figure out the overall process first, the steps. then you build the robots.
22:17 mircea_popescu why are you so focused on the building and implementation notional universe ?
22:17 mike_c the fricking white paper came before the code
22:17 mircea_popescu seems odd, a state machine is an abstraction.
22:17 asciilifeform we've got the robot. with a warehouse's worth of extraneous junk welded to it.
22:17 asciilifeform and parts held together with tape.
22:17 mircea_popescu mike_c i suspect the code only came because the response to the paper was a particular brand of retarded.
22:18 mike_c asciilifeform: ok.. so you are saying reverse engineer instead of start from the top.
22:18 BingoBoingo I can't believe B007 quit before I had the chance to drop links
22:18 asciilifeform mike_c: you could certainly phrase it that way.
22:19 mircea_popescu why does it have to be an either anyway ?
22:19 mircea_popescu you know the bridges joke ?
22:19 mike_c it does not and should not.
22:19 mike_c only the bridge builder one
22:19 mircea_popescu yea that.
22:19 mircea_popescu if they meet, you got your bridge
22:19 mircea_popescu if they don't, i guess you get two
22:20 mike_c hmm. we're talking about different jokes. i'm talking about bob the bridge builder
22:20 asciilifeform birthing a parsimonious implementation of something (i.e. one that can actually be understood) is not necessarily the same as the student pissing contest of 'write the shortest hello world for ms-dos in asm'
22:21 mircea_popescu mike_c buncha teams are presenting offers to build a brige. they all start from both sides. one team has laser sensors and whatever, the 2nd satellite and whatnot
22:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am pretty sure the solution to that problem is skipping ms-dos or any other os nd just writing asm hello world
22:21 mircea_popescu the third is more flegmatic. either one or two bridges.
22:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that'd hardly win you the slimmest turd contest.
22:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Slimmest turd is a different contest. That is easily solved through copious amunts of magnesium citrate and not allowing turds to leave solution in water.
22:24 mike_c mircea_popescu: i don't get the joke, but i get your point.
22:25 mircea_popescu well it's supposed to be funny by contrast. the one team that didn't need tech
22:36 mircea_popescu http://www.examiner.com/article/it-was-the-best-of-times-it-was-the-blurst-of-times-throwing-out-your-first-chapter
22:36 ozbot It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times: throwing out your first chapter - National Wri
22:36 mircea_popescu for epic lols : writing novels is listed under GARDENING,
22:37 mircea_popescu sequels are spelled seqeuls,
22:37 mircea_popescu and the guy has absolutely no idea who hemingway was.
22:37 herbijudlestoids i read something about hemmingway today
22:37 herbijudlestoids ...
22:38 herbijudlestoids http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-the-cia-turned-american-literature-into-a-content-farm
22:38 ozbot The CIA Helped Build the Content Farm That Churns Out American Literature | Motherboard
22:38 BingoBoingo I heard Hemmingway liked Abercrombie and Fitch
22:38 herbijudlestoids not specifically him but yea
22:38 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids the point in quesiton is "throw away the first chapter of your novel"
22:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]
22:40 herbijudlestoids in reference to the current bitcoin "reference implementation"?
22:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Also throw away the last 2/3rds
22:40 mircea_popescu and the middle.
22:40 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids nah, idle.
22:40 herbijudlestoids kk
22:40 mike_c no doubt. we need bitcoin 2.0. same math, new code.
22:41 pankkake what about the Go implementation?
22:41 mike_c who has nothing to do the rest of the year?
22:41 BingoBoingo mike_c: How good are you at K&R C?
22:41 mircea_popescu mike_c life.
22:42 herbijudlestoids i was under the impression that the existing implmentation was pretty well coded (at least from a security perspective) but it seems like most on here disagree
22:42 herbijudlestoids for if it was good we would not be having this discussion
22:43 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids the original stuff was poorly written by one unexperienced coder with a lot of system design experience.
22:43 mircea_popescu it has since been "fixed" in the hands of mediocre coders with no system design comprehension whatsoever.
22:43 mircea_popescu the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons.
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22:43 pankkake the initial code was horrible, couldn't get it to compile, full of wxwindows crap where there shouldn't be. stayed away :/
22:44 pankkake just having bitcoind with no GUI code was than achievement
22:44 herbijudlestoids and we are at 0.8.6.x now? what do you mean by unusable?
22:44 herbijudlestoids from a development perspective? as in unusable to modify/update the code?
22:44 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Do you play chess?
22:45 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i play chees poorly.
22:45 herbijudlestoids s/chees/chess
22:45 herbijudlestoids but i really enjoy playing
22:45 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Do you know Algebraic notation well enough to play in text?
22:45 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids what is customarily meant by unusable. "which can't be used for its intended purpose"
22:46 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: been a while with algebraic notation but moderately confident i could pick it up quickly enough for such purpose
22:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo has been looking for someone to beat ever since truffles ran off
22:47 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: so the bitcoind/bitcoin-qt implementation cannot be used for its intended purpose of sending/receiving/storing bitcoin blockchain whatevers
22:47 mircea_popescu SAFELY and etc.
22:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0030001 = 0.15 BTC [+]
22:48 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: not sure i understand still, possibly retard serum levels still too high, but if its not secure or whatever, how come im not haxing into your walletz right now
22:48 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: As far as the tournament you spec'd goes my only credited loss is to namworld.
22:48 BingoBoingo Twas on the night I almost finished a handle of Vodka
22:49 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Do you have a favored color?
22:49 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: not particularly...is this one of those trick questions where you psychologically evluate my expertise as a player with a simple one liner?
22:49 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Davout is also been asking if he can get a late entry into the round robin.
22:50 pankkake herbijudlestoids: that seems like a typical BingoBoingo trick yes
22:50 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: No. You just said you play poorly so taking you at face value I want to know if you have a stronger color, which might make the game more interesting.
22:51 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I just hate games like when truffles annoyed me into playing him while I was sober.
22:51 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: sorry dude i am just recovering from some illness and about to go full pelt into a bunch of work related things as we are growing rapidly now...you want someone with more free time :)
22:52 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: How about pick head or tails?
22:52 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids for the same reason you're not fucking all the floozies in your town right now.
22:52 herbijudlestoids i have a friend who may be interested, he loves teh chezz, online etc...dunno about text based but i assume he would be into it
22:52 BingoBoingo ;;coin
22:52 gribble tails
22:52 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: im not hacking into your wallet because i feel drained and empty whenever i hear it talk?
22:52 mircea_popescu i guess you're not man enough for it.
22:53 herbijudlestoids maybe. just trying to understand your "unusable" comment.
22:53 BingoBoingo Ok, anyone who isn't a scaredy cat OZ pussy interest in playing/
22:54 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids right.
22:54 herbijudlestoids would any of you sirs be interested in purchasing a small amount of ATC off me, for the sole purpose of increasing my WoT rating from 0?
22:54 mircea_popescu it's wonderbread. i wouldn't use it and i don't agree it's bread. you could say this is me being elitist, you could devise some tests of breadess wonderbread passes
22:54 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids how much ?
22:55 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I might be willing to sell ATC at the right price, but my drunk ass isn't buying.
22:55 herbijudlestoids i have 56 of them which are mature enough to transfer
22:55 herbijudlestoids sell for the midpoint between bid/ask on openex
22:55 herbijudlestoids not really looking for anything except as a mechanism to get into WoT usefully
22:55 BingoBoingo ATC hasn't traded at the midpoint on Openex though. It has traded at the asks
22:56 herbijudlestoids dude we are talking 56 of them, not 5,600,000
22:56 benkay mike_c: are you satisfied with <asciilifeform> the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the
22:56 benkay computation itself.
22:57 benkay ?
22:57 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: And we are talking pricing. Unless you do like the candy shop and package the atc with a teddy bear, there is no room for a premium to be demanded.
22:57 herbijudlestoids ok...whatever...ill take the ask, i dont really care about the price
22:57 BingoBoingo benkay: You ever play chess. I think you could beat me soundly
22:57 herbijudlestoids we are quibbling over an infitesimaly small amount of value
22:58 benkay hell no
22:58 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: No, we are discussing constraints of the system.
22:58 mircea_popescu 56 ?! cmon, i can't make a tx that small.
22:58 benkay BingoBoingo ^^
22:58 mike_c benkay: yes, i was just saying it is insufficient. it describes the process, but does not help you extend it or use it because you don't know any of the rationale. we worked the point over pretty good about an hour ago :)
22:58 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: wut? all i am trying to do is establish some WoT creds
22:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1143 @ 0.00012401 = 0.1417 BTC [-]
22:58 herbijudlestoids since you guys all love the fucken WoT
22:59 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Then maybe trade something other than an altcoin?
22:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he's not a virgin, so there's the end of that.
22:59 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: and how the f am i supposed to sell other shit on -otc without a WoT rating?
22:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I didn't think anyone on this channel was a virgin
23:00 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Well, you have any MPOE?
23:00 BingoBoingo Any S.NSA or S.BBET?
23:00 mircea_popescu he has some mpoe graphs...
23:00 herbijudlestoids so the answer is no. nobody is willing to purchase a small amount of ATC off me for the purpose of establishing my trust on WoT
23:01 KRS-One haha
23:01 herbijudlestoids i couldve just taken a no :)
23:01 mike_c s.nsa went cheap today. somebody got a great deal.
23:01 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids listen, a 5k satoshi tx is like... impossible to even propagate.
23:01 mircea_popescu you'll need moar.
23:01 mircea_popescu $vwap s.nsa
23:01 mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.0001056 high: 0.000107 low: 0.000105 volume: 54348 btc: 5.739064 7 day: average: 0.00010598 high: 0.000159 low: 0.000105 volume: 74350 btc: 7.879382 30 day: average: 0.00012212 high: 0.00017 low: 0.000105 volume: 99420 btc: 12.141282
23:01 BingoBoingo After the time it takes to withdraw 27500 ATC from Openex I'd be willing to sell it for the same 645 satoshi bid I have nao.
23:02 mircea_popescu ahaha 645 srsly ?!
23:02 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You forget the part where you could buy the ATC
23:02 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There is barely anything stoping 645 from happening
23:03 moiety hihi :)
23:03 KRS-One of course becase there isnt any demand or volume
23:03 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There'a actually barely anything on the book preventing 10,000 satoshis as well though
23:03 KRS-One I could put my dick out there and gt a few bucks for it
23:03 mircea_popescu i was gonna buy moar but 650 satoshi...
23:03 coingenuity sup mircea_popescu
23:03 mike_c 10k blocks of ATC have sold for 500 satoshi
23:04 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This offer isn't for you then. I wrote it for the Dogers.
23:04 mircea_popescu coingenuity same old.
23:04 coingenuity i feel ya
23:04 mircea_popescu i guess ima wait for the atc0x hack then
23:04 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: ok is there some minimum youd consider? i have more but in immature blocks. willing to wait
23:04 BingoBoingo coingenuity: Can you get a quote on 10 oz libertads to retile my bathroom yet?>
23:04 mike_c herbijudlestoids: go find sturles. he sells small amounts of btc to help people establish wot.
23:04 mircea_popescu what's the minimum dust atm ? 54300 ?
23:04 moiety i are having stupid question moment. halps?
23:04 benkay mike_c: using and extending the protocol is a non-starter right now. first we need a rock-solid, well-defined thing.
23:05 coingenuity BingoBoingo: mexico is all fucked up, libertads are a pain to get
23:05 mircea_popescu moiety shoot
23:05 mircea_popescu benkay totally nobody;s using it.
23:05 moiety you know I'm still mining my vanitygen and it's at 96.7%... can i still use my cmd window for something else while it's doing that? (sorry i know it's probably glaringly obvious)
23:06 benkay moiety: why not spin up a new cmd window?
23:06 herbijudlestoids moiety: win or lin?
23:06 BingoBoingo moiety: Windows?
23:06 mircea_popescu yes you may.
23:06 moiety omg you can get multiple cmds? i love this thing more every day
23:06 mircea_popescu terrible fucken bad luck, 97% ?!
23:06 BingoBoingo moiety: I thought you moved past Windows.
23:06 moiety thank you all and apologies again, i'm learning
23:06 mircea_popescu moiety you know... you can open a new cmd window
23:06 moiety no, never got to linuxing
23:06 mircea_popescu even windows isn't apple.
23:07 moiety i only just found ctrl alt shift!
23:07 herbijudlestoids moiety: Start => Run => type "cmd", hit enter
23:07 mircea_popescu ctrl-alt-tit should be a shocker then.
23:07 BingoBoingo moiety: I feel lied to. You told me months ago you were linuxing. Back when you adopted smuxi as your IRC client
23:07 mike_c benkay: yes, i just don't think a reference implementation counts as well defined. so TCP_KEEPALIVE is set to 100. why? was that picked intellignetly, randomly, or it doesn't really fking matter? you don't know from implementation.
23:07 asciilifeform probabilistic algo. also quite possible that it will never converge (i.e. nothing useful hashes to fooXXXX... where foo is the vanity string)
23:08 moiety i am still at the same position as that day BingoBoingo. I can still see the linux CDs on top of my pc. I just never used them yet
23:08 moiety and i tried to get bitchx to work talking of irc but really failed with that.
23:08 BingoBoingo moiety: If that is the case just skip linux and go to a BSD or Gentoo
23:08 herbijudlestoids people still use bitchx?
23:08 moiety check me oot with ma two wee cmds!
23:09 moiety well, i had been wondering about bsd
23:09 mircea_popescu what was the cmd bomb for windows ?
23:09 herbijudlestoids cmd bomb?
23:09 asciilifeform he probably meant fork bomb
23:09 coingenuity mircea_popescu: there's a lot of them
23:09 mircea_popescu yeah
23:10 asciilifeform http://www.c-integration.com/blog/showpost.php/82-windows-fork-bomb-crash-windows-in-5-seconds
23:10 moiety c'mon you just gave me the way to two, lets not blow them up mircea_popescu
23:10 asciilifeform etc
23:10 BingoBoingo moiety: BSD isn't too different. If you take that route O'Reilley has a minature verion of their sysadmin essentials book which would be valuable.
23:10 mircea_popescu ty
23:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You ever play chess?
23:10 asciilifeform on occasion.
23:10 asciilifeform i'm one of those bozos who 'graduated' to Go.
23:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You at all familiar with algebraic notation?
23:11 asciilifeform certainly.
23:11 moiety has anyone tried chess 2?
23:11 BingoBoingo I could use a loss
23:11 moiety play me then BingoBoingo
23:11 asciilifeform can't guarantee a loss
23:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: can you play me and moiety in a simul or how do we split this demand?
23:12 asciilifeform i'll take a raincheck. about to fall asleep.
23:12 BingoBoingo moiety: Heads or tails?
23:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Works for me.
23:12 mircea_popescu tails.
23:12 BingoBoingo ;;coin
23:12 gribble tails
23:12 pankkake WHAT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.0
23:13 mircea_popescu pankkake scam
23:13 moiety hahaha i love gribble more every day
23:13 BingoBoingo pankkake: Troll the imposter coin.
23:13 moiety i really can't play very well BingoBoingo
23:13 asciilifeform pankkake: what's with the obligatory faux-gold-coin pics, anyway
23:13 asciilifeform no crapartist seems to resist those
23:13 BingoBoingo moiety: Fuck it, I'm drunk. Not lose to namworld drunk, but kind of drunk.
23:14 herbijudlestoids i really dont understand what everyone seems to think the value of ASIC proofing a network is
23:14 moiety you're always drunk. you'll get a quick win!
23:14 mircea_popescu cause gold is valuable.
23:14 moiety unless its on a crackhead
23:14 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids welcome to the club.
23:14 mircea_popescu i've not understood it a year and a half later.
23:14 herbijudlestoids its like being proud that any small actor with $5million can destroy your coin
23:14 herbijudlestoids gg
23:14 pankkake it's actually worse, being asic proof makes you vulnerable to botnets, supercomputers, clouds, anything you can rent for CHEAP
23:14 BingoBoingo moiety: White or black
23:15 herbijudlestoids pankkake: yea exactly.
23:15 mircea_popescu "Now that Bitcoin computational power is handled almost entirely by large data centers, the currency has rapidly changed from a distributed, decentralized currency, to one that is much more centralized and vulnerable. Companies such as Cex.io are routinely hitting 40% PoW computational power on a daily basis, and will soon be able to perform 51% attacks at will, if they so choose."
23:15 moiety either you choose
23:15 mircea_popescu derp. wasn't it btcguild that had 40%ish back in feb 2013 ?
23:15 BingoBoingo moiety: How about heads or tails (knowing I'd prefer black)
23:15 pankkake I remember when deepbit was the big bad
23:15 asciilifeform the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining.
23:15 asciilifeform i.e. they want to parcel out new coin to warm bodies
23:15 asciilifeform or their phriends
23:15 herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: i think its stupider than that
23:16 herbijudlestoids they feel that ASICS are "unfair"
23:16 herbijudlestoids and that anyone should be able to mine some coins
23:16 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. <<< exactly.
23:16 asciilifeform that's precisely the thing. warm body rights.
23:16 BingoBoingo phriends, are people still making blue boxes?
23:16 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: no they dont work anymore
23:16 mircea_popescu bitcoin is constantly being colonised by people who have fundamental but unverbalised disagreements with its fundamental principles.
23:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they would if they could.
23:17 asciilifeform not so much colonized as dropped straight into their hands at birth, and slowly wrestled out, with partial success so far
23:17 herbijudlestoids i dont think any phone system has in band signalling since the early 90s, even in oz
23:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The old GTE payphone Verizon hasn't killed yet may still be vulnerable.
23:17 moiety i'll be white bingo :)
23:17 BingoBoingo moiety: K, it is your move.
23:17 asciilifeform "Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out!" -- old turd of mine
23:18 mircea_popescu | 33554432 | 4 GB | 22864142697 | Sun, 15 Jul 2694 06:44:57 GMT | |
23:18 mircea_popescu ahahaha EPIC shit.
23:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5676 @ 0.00086964 = 4.9361 BTC [-] {2}
23:18 BingoBoingo "The Gods Must be Crazy"
23:18 mircea_popescu check it out, they decided 4gb should be enough for everyone on sunday 2694
23:18 herbijudlestoids glegh
23:19 pankkake if you don't have 4gb in 2014 I feel for you
23:19 moiety i'm the colour of milk naturally. ok, give me a sec, gonna have to find a board to see
23:19 asciilifeform eh, the way earthlings roll, that's several 'Year Zero's away.
23:20 herbijudlestoids moiety: http://www.mark-weeks.com/aboutcom/images/ble21alg.gif
23:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: some ex-soviet badlands still use exchanges with mechanical Strowger switches. and in-band. bluebox there.
23:21 moiety aw yiss, thank you herbi :D
23:22 mircea_popescu pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg5107020#msg5107020
23:22 mircea_popescu "Sorry about that. I was doing some work on the server and accidentally killed the stratum."
23:23 mircea_popescu clearly this coin is the solution to all centralisation troubles.
23:23 pankkake fake altcoin has feature "Auto connect to ALTCOIN network without config"
23:23 asciilifeform still waiting for the first altturd called 'bitcoin'.
23:23 pankkake basically, properly configured seed nodes
23:23 asciilifeform i mean, if we're going to collide names...
23:23 pankkake altcoins expectations are low
23:23 mircea_popescu https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F140212%2Ffjnk6mru.png&t=537&c=OROVgYkaPEIyYg
23:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Several alt-turds have been called Bitcoin
23:24 asciilifeform beautiful. now all they need is a media loudspeaker
23:24 mircea_popescu . Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D.
23:24 asciilifeform 'The True Bitcoin, Discovered!1!!'
23:24 mircea_popescu The Turd Bitcoin
23:24 mircea_popescu (accidental typo)
23:25 mircea_popescu Dev, correct start page,
23:25 mircea_popescu 4294967296 is 2^32, not 2^36
23:25 mircea_popescu 2^36 = 68,719,476,736
23:25 mircea_popescu So could you specify again, how many coins total ?
23:25 mircea_popescu Sorry for the little error, I changed it to 2^32, total number is 4294967296.
23:25 mircea_popescu this shit's pretty good
23:25 mircea_popescu the little error is well... some billions.
23:25 asciilifeform that must be one fellow who never read the chessboard-rice tale as a boy.
23:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform either that or a fellow lieing about the eventual volume
23:26 asciilifeform (vizier promises to put one grain on a square, two on the next, four...)
23:26 mircea_popescu too lazy to discern if naively stupid or interestedly stupid
23:26 herbijudlestoids i have been trolling the shit out of bitcloud
23:27 mircea_popescu anyway, kinda funny that the alt was the true altcoin before there were fake altcoins
23:27 moiety BingoBoingo: h2 to h3 please
23:27 BingoBoingo K, d7-d6
23:27 herbijudlestoids what im hoping is that i convince everyone interested in bitcloud to contribute to freenet instead
23:27 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yeah. that'll work.
23:27 BingoBoingo freenet? maori like failnet.
23:28 mircea_popescu link some examples of trollage to shit will you
23:28 moiety BingoBoingo: b2 to b3
23:28 BingoBoingo Cause Whales of fail.
23:28 BingoBoingo Nf6
23:28 asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: there are rational arguments against 'asicability' that don't reduce to 'one meat puppet, one vote damnit'
23:28 pankkake did bitcloud produce any code?
23:28 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: well unfortunately i didnt keep logs of my efforts in the irc chan, but here is the reddit thread i started for lulz www.reddit.com/r/bitcloud/comments/1xlwp5/bitcloud_prefers_hype_to_work/
23:28 asciilifeform asics make it hard to flee to a new workfunction if the old one is somehow borked.
23:29 asciilifeform (i.e. serious mathematical advance)
23:29 herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: certainly i dont disagree with your statement sir however i doubt any who are proponents of these anti ASCI coins are thinking that
23:29 mircea_popescu i can't believe the canonical windoze fork bomb uses goto.
23:29 herbijudlestoids s/ASCI/ASIC
23:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course it does, becaue Fortran
23:29 mircea_popescu learn to keep logs they be important
23:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tricky to forkbomb where you haven't a 'fork'!
23:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or even a "for i 0 to process count do launch this process"
23:30 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i am willing to listen to your opinion on why freenet is failnet.
23:30 mircea_popescu epic.
23:30 pankkake java :(
23:31 pankkake actually, it's mostly usuability issues
23:31 BingoBoingo Maybe in detail when this game is over? herbijudlestoids
23:31 pankkake 0530 pankkake> java :(
23:31 pankkake 0531 pankkake> actually, it's mostly usuability issues
23:31 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: sure :)
23:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00087086 = 8.5336 BTC [+]
23:31 herbijudlestoids pankkake: and when was the last time you used it?
23:31 pankkake 2 years ago I think
23:31 herbijudlestoids lel
23:31 pankkake I really like the darknet/opennet approach
23:32 moiety BingoBoingo: c2 - c3
23:32 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids are all the commenters your socks ?
23:32 herbijudlestoids try it out then, lots of recent improvements
23:32 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: they certainly are not. i am triplecheesecheese.
23:32 mircea_popescu holy shit then there's no trolling there
23:32 mircea_popescu everyone agrees the thing is ridiculous
23:32 herbijudlestoids well, except Javier the douchenozzle
23:33 herbijudlestoids i really feel like he is the kind of guy i could wake up in the morning and troll
23:33 herbijudlestoids troll him all day
23:33 BingoBoingo moiety: g6
23:33 herbijudlestoids then go home and hang up my hat feeling satisfied that id done something meaningful with my life
23:33 pankkake herbijudlestoids: you're worse than me!
23:33 mircea_popescu trolling idiots is meaningful now ?
23:33 mircea_popescu why, because we subscribe to the theory that idiots are people too, just like us ?
23:34 herbijudlestoids nah, but he is out there, and any disruptions i can cause to his presence on the internet is an automatic gain to the rest of internetdom
23:34 herbijudlestoids if he spends an hour writing a response to my complaints its an hour he cant spend otherwise
23:35 pankkake but how much time does that cost you?
23:35 mircea_popescu so ddosing idiots now.
23:35 asciilifeform '...but the pig will enjoy it.'
23:35 herbijudlestoids not all the idiots
23:35 herbijudlestoids just the ones that really get my grill
23:36 herbijudlestoids anyway im done, i dont know if theres much more i can do
23:36 herbijudlestoids he already unsubscribed me from the mailing list :P
23:36 herbijudlestoids although if i catch kyle_torpey in here again i might be tempted to /query him
23:37 pankkake I'm tired of all the nonprojects
23:37 pankkake since diaspora
23:37 nubbins` have i complained about the client who wants organic tank tops?
23:37 pankkake don't think so
23:37 BingoBoingo diaspora was the worst. Inquisition was better
23:37 mircea_popescu yeah eyah you did
23:37 herbijudlestoids pankkake: yea i feel it. there is lots of abandonware out there...some even had potential
23:37 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids you've really been in all the shitholes huh
23:38 nubbins` she now wants tote bags printed and they're made out of weed
23:38 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: for some definitions of shitholes.
23:38 moiety bingoboingo: wut
23:38 mircea_popescu diaspora meets any.
23:38 BingoBoingo moiety: I moved pawn g6
23:39 nubbins` ^ heh, a challenger approaches!
23:39 BingoBoingo Cause I'm fly like a g6
23:39 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: after the initial hype, i did some trolling and ignored it. forgot about it. but then, they subscribed me to the mailing list...somehow, i dunno even know how they got my email address. maybe i accidentally entered it somewhere bitcloud related. but i figured since they invited me to the discussion, i would make my viewpoint heard on their mailing list, reddit, irc, etc
23:40 mircea_popescu sounds sensible.
23:40 BingoBoingo They nevar did that to me.
23:40 BingoBoingo Avoiding OS grifter spam == playing dumb
23:40 herbijudlestoids pankkake: but some projects are still projects even though they had huge risk of becoming nonprojects. like freenet! and i2p!
23:41 herbijudlestoids im grateful for that
23:41 BingoBoingo Tor has nothing on turtle routing
23:41 pankkake when I mentionned diaspora I meant projects that got hype despite being lead by people unqualified for the task, and ignoring the existing solutions
23:42 BingoBoingo lol
23:42 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: how is turtle F2F different from retroshare...which uses mircea_popescu favorite GPG
23:42 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: admittedly cool that was developed by tanenbaum
23:42 pankkake is the turtle on elephants?
23:43 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Why I don't use either seems like decent IT homework reading
23:43 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: ill hassle you once your match with moiety and asciilifeform are over :)
23:43 BingoBoingo pankkake: No, it is turtles all of the way down, like iran
23:43 herbijudlestoids and maybe try and catch you slightly more sober
23:44 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform is tired and moiety is looking to answer 3. c3 g6
23:44 herbijudlestoids anyway chaps, im going to lie down and try and recuperate. behave yourselves
23:44 moiety just carry on
23:45 herbijudlestoids this place is one of the more intellectually stimulating corners of the internet and i have become tired
23:45 BingoBoingo moiety: Your move
23:45 moiety it's ok, play with herbi, it will be a bettergame
23:45 BingoBoingo moiety: He's sleeping too
23:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: devise, then... elephant routing. i'm off to bed.
23:45 herbijudlestoids moiety: if you dont finish the match we will never hear the end of it. i can wait to hassle bingo about my retardedness :)
23:45 BingoBoingo ANd he's an aussie. I gues Crocodile dundee was a myth
23:46 moiety f2-f3
23:46 moiety aaaaaaand did double take there at dundee lol
23:46 BingoBoingo Bg7
23:47 BingoBoingo Elephant routing == transmit messages through error reports to Netflix
23:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00086848 = 31.0916 BTC [-] {3}
23:48 moiety h3-h4
23:48 BingoBoingo 0-0
23:48 moiety i have no idea what the board looks like
23:49 BingoBoingo moiety: I though you had a gif or soemthing
23:49 nubbins` ha
23:49 moiety what even is 0?
23:49 moiety m using herbis picture in paint
23:49 moiety and a chess site
23:49 moiety for what the pieces are and where they begin
23:50 moiety ive never played without a board, im sorry
23:50 nubbins` https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50842076/chess2.svg
23:50 nubbins` ^ svg board and pieces
23:50 nubbins` open w/ inkscape
23:51 herbijudlestoids lel. moiety i think 0-0 is an emoticon ;)
23:51 moiety oh lol thanks herbi
23:51 moiety i don't think bingo can type from hitting his forehead of the desk rightnow
23:52 moiety i have that effect a lot
23:52 BingoBoingo moiety: Try putting the moves in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html
23:53 BingoBoingo 0-0 is castle kingside
23:54 BingoBoingo 1. h3 d6
23:54 moiety it puts in your moves too though
23:54 moiety like guesses
23:54 BingoBoingo 2. b3 Nf6
23:54 moiety i'll stick to drawing it out
23:54 mircea_popescu 0-0 is the short castling ye ninnies
23:54 BingoBoingo 3. c3 g6
23:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087086 = 8.7957 BTC [+]
23:55 moiety b3-b4 please!
23:55 BingoBoingo c5
23:55 mircea_popescu Work on the Diaspora software began in May 2010. Finn Brunton, a teacher and digital media researcher at New York University, described their method as "a return of the classic geek means of production: pizza and ramen and guys sleeping under the desks because it is something that it is really exciting and challenging." A developer preview was released on September 15 and received criticism for various security bugs
23:56 mircea_popescu fucking greek means of production based on italian fisherman dishes as implemented by american kids who sleep under desks in offices because even that's more interesting than their social life.
23:56 moiety bingo but i thought castles could only move to the corners, you dont have a free corner
23:57 BingoBoingo moiety: Castling is moving the king two spaces horizontally and then the rook cuddles it
23:57 moiety oh fck sorry
23:58 BingoBoingo moiety: Collect the moves so far and put them in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html
23:58 BingoBoingo And my Rooks are big, cuddly, and black just like Micheal Sam.
23:59 pankkake pizza and ramen are not paleo, how can you code on that
23:59 BingoBoingo 4. f3 Bg7
23:59 BingoBoingo 5. h4 0-0
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