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00:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3375 @ 0.00085504 = 2.8858 BTC [-] {2}
00:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.002 = 0.262 BTC [+]
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00:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 511 @ 0.00568 = 2.9025 BTC [-]
00:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7839 @ 0.0008602 = 6.7431 BTC [+] {2}
00:49 nubbins` http://imgur.com/aTkQXFa
00:49 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
00:50 nubbins` rough draft
00:53 nubbins` idea is to make it look sort of similar to an old-style bearer bond
00:53 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Maybe keep the GPG signed contracts in their native file format?
00:53 nubbins` BingoBoingo: this is more for show than anything
00:54 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Well, then.
00:54 nubbins` this would be silkscreened onto nice 100% cotton paper
00:55 nubbins` skeuomorphism at its finest :P
00:57 BingoBoingo Beautiful nubbins` but generally cotton paper of archival quality is paired with ink to last rather than color to look good
00:57 nubbins` i know, this is what i do for a living ;)
00:57 BingoBoingo Silkscreening paper kind of sucks generally too.
00:58 nubbins` you can silkscreen on any sort of paper. we use acid-free archival rag
00:58 Vexual cute cert
00:58 nubbins` speedball products, these are not :)
00:59 Vexual are those hops leaves at the top?
01:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.07499999 = 0.3 BTC [-]
01:01 nubbins` similar, but no
01:03 nubbins` http://imgur.com/G4P4p3H
01:03 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
01:03 nubbins` "S.MG 2013" added to bottom
01:03 nubbins` i wouldn't mind adding some of those spirograph-style curvy lines
01:04 Vexual hops symbolise truth
01:05 Vexual to me that is, im not offering some alternate history of the world
01:07 nubbins` fun fact, hops and cannabis are members of the same family
01:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7711 @ 0.00085527 = 6.595 BTC [-] {2}
01:07 Vexual i am aware of that fun fact
01:07 Vexual only two known members of cannabe or whathaveyou
01:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 517 @ 0.00085242 = 0.4407 BTC [-]
01:09 Vexual i wonder if it was an ice age divergence? one being cold climate and one warm
01:10 nubbins` who knows? interesting how they both ended up being enjoyed as intoxicants
01:10 Vexual yes
01:11 Vexual and vikinings tended to prefer ale where chinese preferred weed
01:13 Vexual theres some symbiotic epigenetic unknown stuff happening there
01:13 nubbins` i watched a documentary a while back that was about apples, tulips and weed
01:13 nubbins` oh, and potatoes
01:14 nubbins` on the surface, not much in common
01:14 Vexual all been influenced by man?
01:14 nubbins` but all have successfully spread from one small geographic area across the globe, because of their relationship to humans
01:14 nubbins` exactly
01:14 nubbins` http://video.pbs.org/program/botany-of-desire/
01:15 ozbot Botany of Desire | Watch Online | PBS Video
01:15 Vexual genetic engineering of plants has done much less than so many generations of selective breeding
01:16 nubbins` nod
01:17 Vexual thats not to say new gene slpicing tools arent exciting
01:18 nubbins` no, but the varieties that were around before genetic engineering could be said to have so far withstood the test of time, which isn't a trivial test
01:19 nubbins` engineered varieties, who knows?
01:19 BingoBoingo The only think more boring than watching grass grow just might be watching plants fuck.
01:19 nubbins` i mean, it was what, a year ago? two? that it was suddenly announced "lel, whoops, BPA gives you cancer"
01:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1297 @ 0.00190777 = 2.4744 BTC [-] {4}
01:20 nubbins` when the "lel, whoops" has the ability to grow beyond a certain scope, it becomes much less of an attractive option, in my mind
01:20 nubbins` which is why i'm cautious about my optimism towards engineering
01:21 nubbins` or any number of things. lel, whoops, 30,000kg of hamburger meat recalled because we contaminated it with e. coli!
01:22 Vexual dna is a tricky machine
01:22 nubbins` the trickiest
01:23 Vexual probably the coolest too
01:23 nubbins` it's pure hubris to assume you can fully understand the results of manipulating such a complex thing
01:23 nubbins` yeah
01:24 Vexual im out of touch with current tools for mapping genes
01:25 nubbins` it's been so long since i even touched up on the basics, all i have left now are opinions :P
01:25 Vexual same
01:26 Vexual ive got half a memory of some cool shit happening that ive blocked to avoid becoming a mad scientist
01:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61428574 = 4.3 BTC [-] {3}
01:27 Vexual i remember now, theres on open source software package where you can create dna with object oriented visual language
01:28 Vexual and you can get it printed
01:29 Vexual i think they check its not airbourne swineflu or whatever
01:30 nubbins` what!
01:30 Vexual too many splices gets very expensive if memory serves
01:30 nubbins` insane
01:30 Vexual its loaded with a lot of known outcomes i think
01:33 Vexual yeah genetics is still going places, people forget
01:34 mircea_popescu nubbins` haha investry
01:34 nubbins` right?!
01:38 Vexual ive sent my dna to every lab in the us
01:40 mircea_popescu of course it could not really be made into a real bearer bond...
01:40 mircea_popescu hm!
01:40 nubbins` oh no, of course
01:40 Vexual apparently im susceptable to alcoholism
01:40 mircea_popescu unless, of course, it came as a cardano. in which case it COULD be a bearer instrument
01:40 nubbins` Vexual: now you can't hash the result and use it as a brainwallet to store all your funds.
01:41 nubbins` home sequencing is the way to go ;p
01:41 Vexual they're out there now tho
01:41 mircea_popescu linked by imgur to nubbins` investry http://imgur.com/gallery/oZRUE
01:41 Vexual at least i have plausable deniability
01:41 nubbins` ^
01:41 Vexual shopped
01:42 nubbins` also linked, http://imgur.com/gallery/Tv68u
01:42 nubbins` "overall, i turned my life around"
01:42 Vexual needs shopping
01:43 mircea_popescu he's gay now ?
01:44 nubbins` i feel like there's a pun hiding in the last picture, but i can't quite find it
01:46 nubbins` mircea_popescu: more of a fancy paper wallet than anything. cardanos as bearer bonds is an interesting idea though
01:47 nubbins` imagine!
01:47 Vexual hey mp, if i start a genetics lab that does splices for btc, can i float for free on mpes?
01:48 nubbins` heh
01:48 Vexual it will be an ongoing concern from the outset, repleat with bespectacled korean hotties
01:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1098 @ 0.00085438 = 0.9381 BTC [+]
01:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 910 @ 0.00085645 = 0.7794 BTC [+]
01:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.07200001 = 0.144 BTC [-]
01:59 nubbins` okay, time to sleep
01:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.60969998 = 6.097 BTC [-] {6}
01:59 Vexual ithe ipo money would be to install a manager and lab the fuck out of that shit
02:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00566349 = 1.4159 BTC [-] {5}
02:01 BingoBoingo I can't believe I haven't though of abusing Cardanos into bearer bonds yet.
02:02 Vexual maybe put a petent lawyer on the books
02:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
02:07 Vexual i just saw a gecko hiding behind my toilet cistern, hows that for imagry?
02:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.00199999 = 0.402 BTC [+]
02:09 Vexual a crazy psychiatris wrote a long book, and a normal human is expected to see a penis where a skyscraper is?
02:11 BingoBoingo Vexual: Lawyers aren't that worth that much or I would have hired one without a drive through for their office.
02:12 Vexual patent lawyers are gold bullion
02:13 Vexual by volume
02:13 BingoBoingo I'm not sure Vexual, I mean we are all pink on the inside...
02:14 Vexual true enough, and time marches on
02:15 Vexual but money is money
02:15 Vexual as the finance experts will tell you
02:15 Vexual and most is what is true of dollars is true of bitcoin
02:17 Vexual *for
02:19 Vexual bitcoin is still in the real of philosiphers
02:19 Vexual not yet a science
02:19 Vexual perhaps an art
02:21 Vexual you can copy paste something from wikipedia, or imagine it through the eyes of your favourite ancient author
02:22 Vexual but money talks and bullshit walks, as willful man will tell
02:25 Vexual for those who are unfamiliar with the internation, ill give you this piece
02:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4633 @ 0.00085234 = 3.9489 BTC [-] {2}
02:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0057 = 0.57 BTC [+]
02:26 Vexual ive rode a wild bull round round a yard to win a five pound bet
02:26 Vexual but this is sure the derndest ride that ive encountered yet
02:27 Vexual ill give that two wheeled outlaw best, it's shaken all my nerve
02:28 Vexual To feel it whistle through the air and plunge and buck and swerve
02:28 Vexual but what ill sit while hide will hold and girths and straps are tight
02:29 Vexual i'll ride this here two wheeled concern right straight away at sight
02:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00084647 = 2.1585 BTC [-]
02:32 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9mxhayU7GA
02:32 ozbot Damian "Jr Gong" Marley - Old War Chant (Mr. Marley) - YouTube
02:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.0058 = 0.3828 BTC [+]
02:36 BingoBoingo I guess I'll warn anyone invested in Bitcoinsports.eu that this is an active betslip I own http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/6d7fa?destination=bet-slip
02:39 Vexual i just got an unusual sign of regression
02:40 Vexual but i doubt its related to the bitcoin dollar price
02:41 Vexual it was a bird i havent seen for a year
02:42 Vexual always tied in two
02:42 Vexual she shat on the floor
02:45 Vexual then she took off on black and white wings
02:51 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJFaUqwuQY
02:51 ozbot Afroman - Hungry Hustler - YouTube
02:55 BingoBoingo Vexual: Bitcoin Dollar price will be irrelevant in not less than a year. Before long the importance will reverse.
02:56 Vexual thats why i have no idea how to sell
02:56 Vexual ill wait til i can buy something i want
02:56 BigBitz I will buy your coin from you :)
02:57 Vexual you got a large parcel of fruitful land?
02:57 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g
02:57 ozbot Black Sabbath - Paranoid(1970 - Music Video) - YouTube
02:57 BigBitz I do not. I have cash :)
02:57 Vexual if its usd, you can save your keyboard strokes
02:57 BigBitz USD lol
02:58 BigBitz GBP ftw
02:58 Vexual yuan perhaps
02:58 BigBitz Sure I can get you JPY :)
02:58 Vexual fuck off with your fake money
02:58 BigBitz ...
02:59 Vexual no really im not selling
02:59 BigBitz keep holding.
02:59 BigBitz keep strong.
02:59 Vexual im looking for some nice acres, anywhere
03:00 BigBitz you must have a lot of bitcoin :)
03:00 Vexual 2 bitcoin will buy a nice acxre in 10 years
03:00 BigBitz Hopefully :)
03:00 BigBitz bbl.
03:01 Vexual at todays land prices
03:02 Vexual more billion humans gonna want more food
03:03 Vexual life gets cheaper, prices get steeper, that s the future boys
03:05 BingoBoingo I'll be honest. I would part with some coin soon for a Dodge Stealth in decent condition.
03:06 Vexual :)
03:06 Vexual sounds nice
03:07 BingoBoingo Vexual: The thing is I'd have to find the sort of redneck who has both a Dodge Stealth to sell and an awareness of what Bitcoin is.
03:07 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYiQ2FVG8I
03:07 ozbot The Black Eyed Peas - Weekend ft. Esthero - YouTube
03:08 Vexual nice cars are tempting, but they dont make income aunless one is a limo driver
03:09 Vexual im not rich enough to spend 30k on 4 wheels
03:10 Vexual i like to keep a car with no ecu in case of emp
03:12 Vexual also incase real style is required
03:15 Vexual buy an old 70's mustang and make it nice with extra money you stupid american fuck
03:17 Vexual a two door 70s ford is no less than 50 in australia
03:18 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5QYYlfXQFk
03:18 ozbot Mad Max chase - YouTube
03:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
03:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00114889 = 1.1489 BTC [-]
03:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
03:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00114889 = 0.5744 BTC [-]
03:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 101 @ 0.00114889 = 0.116 BTC [-]
03:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7781 @ 0.00084458 = 6.5717 BTC [-]
03:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62989997 = 1.8897 BTC [+]
03:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62989997 = 1.8897 BTC [+]
03:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62989997 BTC [+]
03:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5529 @ 0.00084544 = 4.6744 BTC [+] {2}
04:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 19 @ 0.0079 = 0.1501 BTC [-]
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04:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
04:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 492 @ 0.00114889 = 0.5653 BTC [-] {3}
04:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62982726 = 6.9281 BTC [-] {3}
04:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 342 @ 0.00109767 = 0.3754 BTC [-] {10}
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05:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00565657 = 0.5939 BTC [-]
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05:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17236 @ 0.00014718 = 2.5368 BTC [+] {4}
05:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62998 BTC [+]
05:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00084324 = 2.6562 BTC [-]
06:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 95 @ 0.00108501 = 0.1031 BTC [-]
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06:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.002 = 1 BTC [+]
06:21 jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkroadUNcensored/comments/1p0ogt/time_to_let_the_cat_out_of_the_hat/
06:21 ozbot Time to let the cat out of the hat. : SilkroadUNcensored
06:22 jurov another lulzy piece how proactive is btc community toward scammers, silkroad edition
06:23 jurov and much more
06:23 davout jurov: scam hunting is good
06:23 davout it keeps retards busy
06:24 mircea_popescu jurov interesting.
06:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108501 = 0.1085 BTC [-]
06:26 mircea_popescu What was even more interesting, was that the notice used a high quality logo unable to be found by anyone else despite an hour of searching, until a random user popped in and said “I found it in 2 minutes by using Google.“ No, you did not. I spent 30 minutes staring at Google images, and I found nothing.
06:26 mircea_popescu funny how the dork mind works. "i can't do shit therefore shit can't be done stop lying to me!!11"
06:27 davout "His nose is constantly being edited." --> the jews, always the jews
06:27 mircea_popescu "The mouth which comes from this photo is one shameful mistake." whay ?!
06:27 mircea_popescu was silkroad built atop a hill ?
06:29 mircea_popescu anyway, the "wrong guy" suspicions aren't entirely without merit, even if reddit makes a typically redditarded soup out of it.
06:31 mircea_popescu "The FBI has not made a single official comment via any of their press channels. The FBI media relations team has updated nearly every day before" ahahah forum mentality, i think the government is a scam because it hasn't posted in the thread for a week!!1
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06:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 258 @ 0.00108 = 0.2786 BTC [-] {3}
07:00 KRS1 heh
07:02 KRS1 is bitkoins.com really the #1 Bitcoin news and forum site
07:05 mircea_popescu totally.
07:06 mircea_popescu godaddy domain Registered OnMarch 30, 2013. so it has to be.
07:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62998 = 1.26 BTC [+]
07:09 KRS1 never heard of it heh
07:11 krlbrgmn mircea_popescu re: http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/ "A good chunk of the recent hashpower is split roughly evenly between the Chinese and the US government."
07:11 krlbrgmn mircea_popescu can you please give more hints?
07:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00083981 = 4.535 BTC [-]
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07:28 KRS1 you might have to ask him for a complimentary Trilema subscription, there are hints in there from time to time.
07:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00084216 = 1.8949 BTC [+]
07:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [-]
07:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [+] {2}
07:50 mircea_popescu krlbrgmn not atm
07:51 kakobrekla http://imgur.com/2ISD5dB
07:51 ozbot ...I accept nothing. - Imgur
07:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084287 = 2.36 BTC [+] {3}
07:52 mircea_popescu good one
07:59 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> adis99: I'm kind of wondering why they allowed such a puny bet to be protected from market forces. << mod just forgot private bets need 10btc in zeroconf.
08:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00566 = 0.1075 BTC [-]
08:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
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08:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 358 @ 0.002 = 0.716 BTC [+]
08:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00083975 = 4.3247 BTC [-] {2}
08:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00084452 = 1.0979 BTC [+]
08:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00083917 = 4.5315 BTC [-] {2}
08:47 kakobrekla Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
08:47 kakobrekla Reposting deleted posts (60 days)
08:48 kakobrekla you know, i wouldnt have to be reposting if the idiots wouldnt be deleting.
08:49 kleeck http://www.sadtrombone.com/?play=true
08:49 ozbot Sad Trombone
08:49 pankkake Congratulations!
08:51 kakobrekla thanks!
08:51 davout being banned from the forums sounds like a promotion!
08:52 kleeck Yeah... reposting. SO HARD. SO NOBLE.
08:53 TomServo !jd
08:53 assbot Just-Dice stat: 5405 BTC profit, 59.2k BTC invested, 197.69 mio bets, 4.24 mio BTC wagered
08:54 kakobrekla deleting a scam accusation makes the deleter an accomplice/shill
08:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6101 = 6.101 BTC [-]
09:05 samson_ I see Cryptsy.com is offering 100,000 shares (20% of company) on cryptostocks.com in an IPO with no expiry date for 0.05 BTC each - listed yesterday by the looks of it
09:05 pankkake altcoins dying? time to sell the company!
09:06 Apocalyptic ^^
09:06 VanCleef i only invest in PIF and Amythest
09:06 samson_ Apparently they are going to apply for licensing so they can sell coins for USD
09:06 samson_ All coins including BTC
09:06 pankkake and they value themselves at 25000 BTC, sure :)
09:06 samson_ never mind the alts - it's a way into BTC
09:07 samson_ Well that's the issue - it looks a bit overpriced
09:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00566001 = 0.5094 BTC [+] {2}
09:07 pankkake I don't even see how they are going to complete raising 5000 BTC
09:07 samson_ me neither
09:08 pankkake worst of all, why aren't they using their own websites to sell the shares?
09:08 samson_ I would normally buy some as the value would probably go up anyway but with no end date listed for the IPO price they might not sell all 100,000 and that would fix the price
09:08 Apocalyptic pankkake, the part where most bitcoin people seem to fail the most is company/assets valuation
09:09 samson_ I bought some ASICMINER shares just over a year ago, that was the last time I invested in any assets - that wasn't so bad
09:10 bitesak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l02E4cj4Vvo#t=49
09:10 ozbot "I Support an Orwellian Police State in America" - YouTube
09:10 bitesak the futures bright !
09:11 samson_ lol
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09:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00084452 = 2.4913 BTC [+]
09:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.604975 = 24.199 BTC [-] {6}
09:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 296 @ 0.00565845 = 1.6749 BTC [-] {7}
09:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.00553028 = 0.8351 BTC [-] {9}
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10:13 taub btcn more volume than gox and bitstamp last 24h !
10:13 taub are chinamen pushing the price ralley?
10:13 Apocalyptic yes they are obviously
10:13 mircea_popescu kakobrekla what forum is this ?
10:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.594304 = 5.943 BTC [-] {5}
10:14 mircea_popescu samson_ you know tjhe story of the fraudulent ipo of cryptostocks itself righ ?
10:15 kleeck Chinese Government is pushing BTC to destablize the USD further and have stronger grounds to push BRIC away from the USD.
10:15 Apocalyptic i don't mircea, tell me
10:15 kleeck /tinfoil hat
10:15 mircea_popescu well basically the guy made an ipo of his own site, which included a hefty licensing fee to be paid to himself
10:16 mircea_popescu the deal got altered after the ipo so as to vacuum most value from the supposed "investors"
10:16 mircea_popescu it's all over the forum, see his ipo thread
10:16 mircea_popescu provided kakobrekla didn't delete all the posts meanwhile, of course.
10:16 Apocalyptic why would kako do that ?
10:17 mircea_popescu kleeck yeah, totally, bric needs more reasons to move away from usd. the chinese also summoned the us ambasador in paris, i bet.
10:17 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic it's a joke, kakobrekla was complaining above he got banned for reposting deleted posts.
10:17 mircea_popescu obviously it'd be the forum administration deleting old smoking gun posts, not kakobrekla
10:17 Apocalyptic ok, i've been out of the loop for a while
10:18 Apocalyptic gotta catch up
10:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00084076 = 5.0446 BTC [-] {2}
10:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00545598 = 0.3656 BTC [-] {4}
10:42 kakobrekla mircea_popescu, bitcointalk ofc.
10:42 mircea_popescu what was the post anyway ?
10:43 kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg3393033#msg3393033
10:43 ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on [BTC-TC]
10:43 kakobrekla its still there, the 3rd version of it or whatever.
10:43 kakobrekla but badbear felt butthurt when i pmed him
10:43 kakobrekla that i know that he is trying to push ban for me
10:44 kakobrekla and now they plan to check all pms
10:44 mircea_popescu weird.
10:44 kakobrekla to see who leaked that info
10:44 kakobrekla cause that is unacceptable!
10:44 kakobrekla lolz.
10:45 mircea_popescu what info you mean ?
10:45 kakobrekla the info that he is pushing ban for me in the staff department forum
10:45 kakobrekla and deleting my posts.
10:47 kakobrekla it went like this
10:47 kakobrekla 1. i post some stuff
10:47 kakobrekla 2. it gets deleted
10:47 kakobrekla 3. i re-post it
10:47 kakobrekla 4. garr cries over my pm to leave britney alone
10:47 kakobrekla 5. it gets deleted
10:47 kakobrekla 6. i repost it
10:47 mircea_popescu some stuff = ?
10:47 kakobrekla 7. i get info who is deleting and trying to ban me
10:47 mircea_popescu i don't think you;'re getting banned here for expliciting it.
10:48 kakobrekla 8. i pm that douchebag that he should stop deleting to stop reposts
10:48 kakobrekla 9. ban
10:48 kakobrekla and 10.
10:48 kakobrekla drama continiues in the mod department
10:48 Apocalyptic sounds like btctalk indeed
10:49 kakobrekla some stuff i guess is "the slander of garr"
10:49 kakobrekla as garr put it.
10:49 kakobrekla im just having some morning coffee forum fun
10:50 davout i can confirm that the butthurt level rose in the mod sections
10:51 jcpham i can confirm i've never used btctalk in the sense of this conversation
10:51 Apocalyptic heh
10:52 Apocalyptic davout, you still do btc-central's btc withdrawal manually ?
10:53 mircea_popescu who the fuck cares anyway, not like that cryptowhatever is doing anything
10:56 davout Apocalyptic: yes
10:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00084452 = 0.8867 BTC [+]
11:00 mircea_popescu http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/09/04/shodan-terrifying-search-engine/
11:00 ozbot The Terrifying Search Engine That Finds Internet-Connected Cameras, Traffic Lights, Medical Devices,
11:00 mircea_popescu that's kind of lulzy
11:06 kakobrekla oh no! everything but the 'moron'!
11:06 mircea_popescu lol
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11:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4305 @ 0.00083849 = 3.6097 BTC [-]
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62799999 BTC [+]
11:55 bitesak hello
11:55 kakobrekla hi
12:00 Rulother hiyo
12:09 ChaangNoi sawatde
12:22 TATI TAT.ASICMINER migrations form Bitfunder to Havelock now open for a limited time: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192498.msg3395298#msg3395298
12:22 TATI from*
12:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2812 @ 0.00084278 = 2.3699 BTC [+]
12:26 dexX7 i assume you don't do 100x am100 -> am1 conversions?
12:27 TATI nope
12:27 bitesak ;;ticker
12:27 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 213.30515, Best ask: 215.76366, Bid-ask spread: 2.45851, Last trade: 215.76433, 24 hour volume: 27047.04154481, 24 hour low: 198.51000, 24 hour high: 216.00000, 24 hour vwap: 207.62934
12:41 benkay "None of us, none of the people in that room want to just accept these kinds of conditions written in a top-down fashion by the Foundation that is effectively today a US foundation."
12:41 benkay http://bitcoinmagazine.com/7643/bitcoin-in-israel-interview-with-meni-rosenfeld-and-ron-gross-part-2/
12:41 ozbot Bitcoin in Israel: Interview with Meni Rosenfeld and Ron Gross, Part 2 – Bitcoin Magazine
12:42 benkay tee hee us bitcoin "foundation" rejected like a tryhard
12:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.627 BTC [-]
12:57 mircea_popescu benkay such a shocker.
12:57 mircea_popescu you mean nobody cares about yet another group of posers ?! but who could have imagiend this!
13:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00545001 = 0.1799 BTC [-]
13:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00545001 = 0.1145 BTC [-]
13:02 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310985.msg3382569#msg3382569 from the lulz department.
13:02 ozbot Bitfunder - no reason for a fire sale
13:05 mircea_popescu http://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/assessing-the-state-of-pgp-keys-with-phuctor/
13:05 ozbot Assessing The State Of PGP Keys With Phuctor | Mike the Crypto Goat
13:07 dexX7 "the latter guy is uh, infamous in the bitcoin world" :D
13:08 mircea_popescu lol
13:08 mircea_popescu left him a comment.
13:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00083669 = 6.4425 BTC [-] {4}
13:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.57751099 = 28.8755 BTC [-] {9}
13:22 pankkake I'm not sure central bank governor is a good title. sounds like scammer mafia boss
13:23 mircea_popescu we're troll baiting each other
13:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00083662 = 2.8863 BTC [-]
13:29 deadweasel http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/10/23/crowdfunding-ipo-sec-jobs-act/3169395/
13:29 ozbot SEC moves toward allowing crowdfunding IPOs
13:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 115 @ 0.0011487 = 0.1321 BTC [+]
13:29 ThickAsThieves it will turn "salami" scams, where small amounts are defrauded from investors, into the new normal,"
13:30 deadweasel "This is not a good day for financially unsophisticated investors who will be targeted unrelentingly by stock promoters."
13:30 ThickAsThieves cuz invetsors never got defrauded before
13:30 deadweasel small time is easier. many more, harder to regulate, etc.
13:30 deadweasel but yeah
13:35 mircea_popescu yeah.
13:35 mircea_popescu measure has its downsides, definitely. also kind of unavoidable.
13:35 deadweasel crowdfunding americans are going to lose their shirts.
13:35 deadweasel in general, we are exceedingly ignorant.
13:36 mircea_popescu you mean the borrowed shirts they currently wear ? or what "their" ?
13:36 deadweasel yes, we are wearing china's old t-shirts.
13:36 deadweasel they are very soft and cozy.
13:36 deadweasel because sweatshop kids wore them first.
13:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114852 = 0.1149 BTC [-] {2}
13:37 deadweasel hopefully, they will learn something and teach their kids and grandkids how to not be defrauded. but it's more likely they get drunk and beat them instead.
13:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 350 @ 0.00114987 = 0.4025 BTC [+] {4}
13:39 pankkake well, kickstarter shows americans are happy to lose their money already :)
13:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.00114989 = 0.23 BTC [+] {2}
13:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114989 = 0.115 BTC [+]
13:46 mircea_popescu yeah, what pman said
13:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00545 = 0.3815 BTC [-] {2}
13:47 mircea_popescu i seriously could not believe the stats of that thing
13:47 kakobrekla urlpls
13:47 mircea_popescu i mean... that in bitcoin crazy lalaland people like that scam whose name escapes me now take pride in 80% return rates is onme thing. but mainstream ? just wow.
13:48 mircea_popescu http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/07/26/board-game-creator-cans-123k-kickstarter-project-reinforces-the-platforms-accountability-issues/
13:48 ozbot No Accountability: Board Game Creator Cans $123K Kickstarter Project
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1295 @ 0.00083584 = 1.0824 BTC [-]
13:49 mircea_popescu good example. but just google kickstarter scam
13:49 benkay but mircea people are basically good
13:49 benkay and make smart investments
13:52 mircea_popescu yes.
13:52 mircea_popescu except they do it in the ass.
13:52 Apocalyptic they male smart investments until one day they don't...
13:53 Apocalyptic *make
13:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00083508 = 4.0919 BTC [-] {3}
14:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 31.67198172 BTC to 8`451 shares, 374772 satoshi per share
14:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.380015 = 3.8002 BTC [-]
14:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.572 BTC [-]
14:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2458 @ 0.00114989 = 2.8264 BTC [+]
14:12 dexX7 https://hashfast.com/?p=2445&preview=true "taking a few weeks longer than expected"
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3385 @ 0.00083169 = 2.8153 BTC [-]
14:12 ozbot UPDATED SHIPPING NEWS | HashFast Technologies
14:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62799987 = 4.396 BTC [+] {2}
14:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00083662 = 1.0458 BTC [+]
14:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00015 = 0.225 BTC [-] {2}
14:33 mod6 ;;seen #bitcoin-assets thestringpuller
14:33 gribble thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 12 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> vis-a-vis Namworld the Canadian
14:34 mod6 wow. GTAV or a women has him pinned down.
14:35 nubbins` hi
14:36 phungus he's been absent from BitVPS as well
14:36 phungus I think he's been overwhelmed by life recently
14:36 phungus Namworld, that is
14:37 mod6 oh
14:37 mod6 is it looking for a home still?
14:37 kakobrekla is he homeless?
14:38 phungus BitVPS or Namworld?
14:38 phungus :-)
14:38 kakobrekla dunno , both
14:38 phungus BitVPS == homeless as far as a share exchange goes
14:38 phungus no idea about Nam
14:39 phungus MPEX should offer us a sweet deal to re-list... hint hint
14:39 mod6 its been mentioned
14:39 phungus we would probably do it
14:39 nubbins` "I wonder whether one of the team should contact one of the keyservers and request a dump of their database. "
14:39 nubbins` ^
14:40 phungus a $6500 fee to join an exchange is a little excessive though and I'm not sure but that might be a show-stopper right there
14:40 phungus lol
14:40 phungus if it's still 30BTC
14:41 phungus we only got delisted because rg sold the corp to us and didn't tell anyone which broke the exchange rules
14:41 mod6 i rememeber vividly.
14:41 phungus we're even more solid today than we were then tho
14:41 phungus we own physical gear, etc
14:42 phungus and have been profitable the whole year
14:43 nubbins` there are mpex brokers
14:43 nubbins` https://coinbr.com/about
14:43 ozbot About CoinBr
14:44 skinnkavaj pankkake
14:44 skinnkavaj https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316810.0
14:44 ozbot [CRYPTOAVE.com] New BTC/DGC exchange IPO
14:45 nubbins` !ticker --market bitstamp
14:45 assbot Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
14:45 phungus a Broker doesn't seem like it would help for listing
14:45 nubbins` oh
14:45 nubbins` ;;gpg eauth nubbins`
14:45 gribble Request successful for user nubbins`, hostmask nubbins`!~nubbins`@stjhnf0148w-142134193006.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/CF2950F23C844002
14:45 pankkake whatcoin now?
14:46 nubbins` phungus: no, but it would help for people buying/selling
14:46 phungus yeah, I suppose so
14:46 nubbins` ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1dcbd21828071f2ba4842d8ccd3869b43616b165010a4fef2c4aa785
14:46 gribble You are now authenticated for user nubbins` with key CF2950F23C844002
14:46 nubbins` it's 30 btc even if you're listing?
14:47 deadweasel yes
14:47 deadweasel pay the man!
14:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2145 @ 0.00063999 = 1.3728 BTC [+]
14:49 mod6 you'd have to discuss listing with mp. and if bitvps was relisted, im pretty sure that at least the ceo/cfo would need to have an acct @ mpex to pay divs etc.
14:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 851 @ 0.0011499 = 0.9786 BTC [+] {2}
14:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000235 = 1.175 BTC [+]
14:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3158 @ 0.00115224 = 3.6388 BTC [+] {2}
14:53 mod6 even if the divs can be paid through a broker, i suppose that whatever float retained by the owners would need to be held somewhere, requiring an account.
14:53 mod6 verdad?
14:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.000648 = 3.24 BTC [+]
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00083468 = 2.4623 BTC [-]
14:56 the20year howdee
14:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4165 @ 0.00083658 = 3.4844 BTC [+]
15:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 13.32992160 BTC to 374`436 shares, 3560 satoshi per share
15:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 167 @ 0.001155 = 0.1929 BTC [+]
15:08 mod6 if you're angla merkel, would you believe obama when he says that he's not motitoring your phone calls?
15:09 deadweasel you believe whatever he tells you to believe.
15:10 kleeck I just read this gem of an article. Here's a very apt quote.
15:10 kleeck "Crowdfunding today is rife with examples of consumers donating money to entrepreneurs, only for those people to take the money without ever producing the product or service that was pitched."
15:10 kleeck http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/10/23/crowdfunding-ipo-sec-jobs-act/3169395/
15:10 ozbot SEC moves toward allowing crowdfunding IPOs
15:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 144 @ 0.06575096 = 9.4681 BTC [-] {11}
15:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7035 @ 0.00083658 = 5.8853 BTC [+]
15:10 mod6 deadweasel: haha
15:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415 @ 0.00083662 = 0.3472 BTC [+]
15:11 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah.
15:11 mircea_popescu but namworld has an account iirc
15:12 mod6 ah. ok
15:13 mircea_popescu and no, the recent spying scandals have cost the us in europe more than what clinton has managed to build.
15:13 mircea_popescu (bill clinton, that is)
15:14 mod6 maybe merkel needs to fool 'em with some phonograph whitenoise records.
15:15 mod6 a la cryptonomicon
15:16 mod6 i wouldn't believe a goddamn word these guys say, they've always got their fingers crossed.
15:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.32353353 = 9.706 BTC [-] {8}
15:17 mircea_popescu actually there's some talk of the eu making its own sigint and ditching nato
15:17 mircea_popescu "russians and the us equally hostile" and so on.
15:18 mod6 they certainly should.
15:18 asciilifeform if dogs could speak, there would probably be talk among poodles of building their own walking parks and ditching humans.
15:19 mircea_popescu except in this field the eu has more money and more human capital.
15:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what was the EU's answer to the U.S. demand for root privs on Galileo (EU GPS equiv.) ?
15:20 mircea_popescu what year was that ?
15:20 asciilifeform if i recall, the question was posed as 'give us an off switch or your sats get added to the target list.'
15:20 asciilifeform couple of years ago
15:20 mircea_popescu a lot has changed in those couple of years.
15:21 mircea_popescu why, even last year the us could get away with kidnapping the future president of france.
15:22 asciilifeform seems like the galileo people caved
15:23 asciilifeform they agreed to move their freq. band away from u.s. gps, so it could be jammed separately.
15:23 mircea_popescu im telling you, a lot has changed in the past ~6 months, and a lot in tjhe past 6 days.
15:23 asciilifeform that's the sort of thing i was talking about.
15:24 asciilifeform wake me up when they start publicly hanging us signint agents when caught in the wiring closets.
15:24 mircea_popescu not likely they'll ever do that.
15:24 mircea_popescu the yurpeans are romantics, they've not killed a spy since forever.
15:25 asciilifeform so, not poodles? maybe occasionally ill-tempered ones, but where's the bite.
15:25 mod6 mara hati was the last?
15:26 mod6 *hari
15:26 mircea_popescu what's this, infantry engagement ? spying is about information not killing people
15:26 mircea_popescu mod6 mata hari was supposed to die in her bed, except they couldn't find it, so they did the next best thing :
15:26 mircea_popescu tied to a pole with a bunch of dudes
15:28 asciilifeform point, in that it isn't about blood per se, except to demonstrate intent. but which euro nation has banned u.s. OS on gov. hardware?
15:28 asciilifeform look to me like they're happy to be pwned.
15:28 asciilifeform just not publicly and loudly.
15:28 mod6 is sad really.
15:29 mircea_popescu that impression is a great asset im sure.
15:31 mircea_popescu rivkin's protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, the us has managed to drive itself into this narrow ally where practically speaking china is it's closest ally.
15:31 mircea_popescu it's a sad state of affairs when a man can't really find a friend past his creditors.
15:32 mod6 true enough, you reap what you sow.
15:33 mod6 im paranoid enough as an american. they've got everyone on tap. if i was a forign int service, gov or private citizen, i'd boycott all us software, and rebuild.
15:34 mod6 no reason to use the stuff that comes with backdoors from these savages.
15:34 mircea_popescu fortunately the foss was always big in europe
15:37 mod6 that always helps.
15:38 mod6 the nsa twisting nipples in enc algos and prngs is scary though. that stuff gets widespread.
15:38 mod6 not a lot of people can determine if its been diddled with or not
15:39 mod6 what was the one we were talking about most recently? the ECC backdoor?
15:39 mircea_popescu maybe someone brings good quality hardware rngs to the masses.
15:40 mod6 :)
15:41 mod6 when that day comes, it'll be a great day for personal and ditital liberty.
15:41 KRS1- doesn't their filtering/diddling cause a delay with time sensitive synchronization
15:42 mircea_popescu notrly.
15:44 mod6 bah, *digital
15:45 asciilifeform until everybody understands that cryptographic suitability is an entirely non-mathematical property of the bits (vs. entropic quality, an easily-quantified one) - people will be confused.
15:45 nubbins` ^
15:45 asciilifeform cryptographic 'randomness' is a matter of provenance (as in this: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php) rather than entropy per se.
15:46 mircea_popescu well, actually, randomness is not a property of numbers. it's a property of processes.
15:46 mircea_popescu oldest observation in the book
15:46 mod6 thats the problem with hardware prng's, they can always be tampered with
15:46 nubbins` haha, the color of bits re: 4'33
15:46 mircea_popescu "random number" really shuld be "number obtained randomly"
15:47 nubbins` that's some seriously christian-based logic right there
15:47 nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_(philosophy)
15:47 jcpham christians are always right
15:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 15 @ 0.14288989 = 2.1433 BTC [+] {2}
15:48 nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_theory
15:48 mircea_popescu nubbins` how you mean ?
15:49 nubbins` i mean when you take communion, you are, in the view of the church, literally eating the body of christ
15:49 nubbins` now, it looks and acts like a plain unleavened wafer
15:49 mircea_popescu well yes.
15:49 mircea_popescu this is acquinas' idea.
15:49 nubbins` yeah
15:50 nubbins` and put into the context of 4'33 in the article asciilifeform linked
15:50 asciilifeform it's not a philosophical question at all, re: the bits. their 'security' is a function of the bits and of the enemy's brain. if he knows (or might easily learn) them, they might be entropic, but not suitable for crypto.
15:50 nubbins` "this string of zeroes isn't 4'33, but THIS string of zeroes *is*"
15:50 asciilifeform the digits of 'pi' pass every test of entropy you can think of. (save one!)
15:51 mircea_popescu i think you two are discussing different things
15:51 nubbins` yeah
15:51 nubbins` i didn't get more than a couple paragraphs into that article
15:51 nubbins` and then i went off on a tangent
15:52 nubbins` about transubstantiation :(
15:55 mircea_popescu anyway, i must join my recommendation to the http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php article.
15:56 mircea_popescu it's one of those rare bits written by a competent translator, ie, one who has solid familiarity in two different fields.
15:57 asciilifeform for the impatient: it wasn't about crypto per se, but still mandatory.
15:58 nubbins` hm, i wonder if a contact mic would be useful in the context of RNGs
15:58 nubbins` they're really small, and really cheap
15:59 mircea_popescu for some values of useful. i prefer them to avalanche processes, but they have to be well filtered
15:59 asciilifeform nubbins`: not that you can't use audio as an entropy seed, but most of it is incredibly periodic
16:00 nubbins` hmm
16:00 asciilifeform that's not even counting non-audio signals that the amp picks up (mains hum, for one)
16:00 nubbins` ^
16:00 nubbins` maybe more suitable in a battery-operated device
16:00 nubbins` on the surface it sounds great. rub the contact mic against any surface and get all the entropy you need
16:00 nubbins` but i don't think it's quite that straight-forward
16:01 asciilifeform think of all the periodic audio where you now stand. pc fan. wind. your breath. etc
16:01 nubbins` yeah
16:01 nubbins` these things are incredibly sensitive though
16:01 asciilifeform plug it into an oscilloscope and instantly see what i meant.
16:01 nubbins` well. incredibly sensitive to touch, incredibly insensitive to regular sources of sound
16:02 nubbins` you can put one inside your mouth and scream, and it'll barely register
16:02 nubbins` or you can rub a feather against it, and deafen yourself
16:02 mircea_popescu <nubbins`> on the surface it sounds great. rub the contact mic against any surface and get all the entropy you need << o no, not at all. you can't use such low bits.
16:03 asciilifeform point is, a piece of garbage that may seem 'random' to the naked eye can have all kinds of nice predictable patterns if one knows where to look.
16:03 nubbins` yeah, guess that's the catch
16:04 nubbins` any amplifier would introduce its own brand of consistency to the signal, &c &c
16:04 mircea_popescu you're going the wrong way with the amplifiers
16:04 mircea_popescu what you do is you put up a mic and sample it at 0.00000001 hz.
16:04 mircea_popescu that's random enough
16:04 mircea_popescu takes a while, but nevertheless.
16:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00083312 = 5.2903 BTC [-]
16:05 nubbins` noise from contact mic fed into a non-linear equation as an input variable?
16:05 nubbins` just thinking out loud here
16:06 mircea_popescu that's just hashing
16:06 nubbins` haha
16:06 nubbins` that's right
16:06 asciilifeform if you're ok with a glacially-slow entropy source, just expose a DRAM chip to sunlight, with deliberately inadequate refresh cycles, wait for radiation bit-flippage.
16:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's horribly biased.
16:07 dub is it still going to be random if I control input into the mic? because its trvial to do that remotely
16:07 nubbins` trivial?
16:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as vonneumann-debiasable as anything else
16:08 dub yes
16:08 nubbins` i've got one in my hand right now
16:08 nubbins` control its input!
16:08 dub I'd need to be a bit nearer to you but its doable
16:09 nubbins` they're almost completely insensitive to air vibrations. you'd need to have it in your hand
16:09 nubbins` hmm
16:09 dub all you need is a radio and an amp
16:09 asciilifeform nubbins`: anything attached to a human brain is a terrible source of entropy
16:09 asciilifeform nubbins`: ever play with 'von neumann's mind reader' algo ?
16:09 nubbins` nope
16:11 dub nubbins`: http://lifehacker.com/5852903/silence-noisy-neighbors-by-transmitting-signals-through-their-own-speakers is an example but it might be easier to just introduce a less than random noise floor
16:12 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/p.cpp
16:12 asciilifeform enjoy
16:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00083312 = 2.4994 BTC [-]
16:12 nubbins` yeah, what i'm saying is that you'd deafen me before the contact mic would pick up the audio from my stereo
16:12 nubbins` literally, i'd be dead with blood coming out of my ears
16:12 dub you're wrong but keep talking
16:13 mircea_popescu <nubbins`> control its input! << olo
16:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you sghould make that a webservice.
16:14 nubbins` contact mics are orders of magnitude more sensitive to touch vibration than air vibration
16:14 asciilifeform i did at one point, lost the code
16:14 asciilifeform the way the game works:
16:14 mircea_popescu nubbins` the interraction happens through em not airwaves.
16:14 asciilifeform you say '0' or '1'
16:14 nubbins` o
16:14 asciilifeform computer says '0' or '1'
16:14 dub 20 years ago we could modulate an RF signal such that your skull would resonate a recognisable signal you would hear inside your head
16:14 asciilifeform you tell it if it was correct
16:15 asciilifeform it goes off and changes weights on markov chain.
16:15 asciilifeform keeps score.
16:15 asciilifeform human usually loses unless he cheats
16:15 asciilifeform (starts counting letters in phrases from memory, flips coins, etc.)
16:16 asciilifeform not my idea. attributed to johnny von n, but i was given it by my brother, who plucked it from an ancient soviet textbook.
16:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00083776 = 7.1628 BTC [+] {2}
16:16 mircea_popescu if you make it a webservice this'll be a great group activity at april conference.
16:16 mircea_popescu get everyone drunk, person with worst score picks up the tab
16:16 asciilifeform sure why not!
16:16 nubbins` hm. well, i guess if i was onto something here, it would've been figured out ages ago
16:19 mircea_popescu "Hey, Reddit, Ycombinator, and Metafilter readers! You know what, I'm proud that this article has become a benchmark, but I've written a lot of others I like too, some of them more recently than 2004. It would sure be nice if my other articles got some love instead of just this one being linked from a discussion every week."
16:20 mircea_popescu dude wrote an article a decade ago, which saw 100bn page loads and 34 comments.
16:20 mircea_popescu understandably a little miffed
16:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.06999 = 0.21 BTC [+]
16:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9116 @ 0.0008392 = 7.6501 BTC [+] {2}
16:24 dub he should fartscroll.js it
16:24 pankkake could a vacuum tube be used as an entropy source?
16:25 mircea_popescu pankkake that's basically avalanche
16:26 pankkake ok. interesting
16:26 mircea_popescu basically you put a diode into backwards mode and count the electrons that make it past the barrier
16:26 b0n1 is it profitable trading gold in china?
16:27 b0n1 meaning to ship it out and sell it on for example european market
16:27 b0n1 anyone a source or a clue?
16:27 pankkake I like vacuum tubes for the looks basically :p I'd buy that kind of random number generator
16:27 mircea_popescu b0n1 no. china is a net importer, and because of govt pressure consumer gold is even more expensive
16:27 mircea_popescu go the other way.
16:28 pankkake don't you have to smugle it? or it's india
16:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13660 @ 0.00084429 = 11.533 BTC [+] {4}
16:28 topace do the coinabul peeps every lurk on irc these days ?
16:28 mircea_popescu coingenuity
16:28 nubbins` pankkake: plus you could be all badass walking into the music store
16:29 nubbins` "yeah, i need some tubes"
16:29 nubbins` "oh, for your amp?"
16:29 b0n1 what is a good chinese commodity for taking out and selling elsewhere more expensive
16:29 mircea_popescu b0n1 women.
16:29 b0n1 jade? is there actually a market for jade in europe?
16:29 b0n1 lal mircea_popescu
16:29 mircea_popescu also, tshirts, electronic appliances of all kinds, small plastic toys
16:29 mircea_popescu as well as 90% of all the items you have seen today.
16:29 nubbins` chinese t-shirts
16:30 mod6 pankkake: seems like india has import controls, something like 15% tax on gold import
16:30 b0n1 well but there are certainly high market entry barriers, right? Maybe you need licences that are difficult to get?
16:31 mircea_popescu basically you need to sign an agreement that if you steal their money they'll kill you with knives.
16:31 mircea_popescu think of dealing with the mob, it's how china handles its export business.
16:31 pankkake nubbins`: exactly, and I already have tubes for my amp anyway ;)
16:32 nubbins` i'm picturing a Hiwatt with a built-in RNG
16:32 mircea_popescu but speaking of gold, anyone saw the 2mn oz paper sale on the 11th ?
16:33 mod6 yeah
16:33 nubbins` "5-level eq, all tubes, sub-harmonic generator, and here's a usb port"
16:33 mircea_popescu day's lol it was.
16:34 coingenuity mircea_popescu: hm?
16:34 coingenuity ah
16:35 b0n1 do you have to pay tax on gold in china?
16:35 coingenuity b0n1: you can't import gold to china
16:35 b0n1 export
16:35 b0n1 no import
16:36 coingenuity you pay your 'tax' in the form of price-fixes by the government, which is the only authority allowed to sell/buy
16:36 coingenuity you cant export either
16:36 coingenuity bank of china is the only one allowed
16:36 b0n1 black market?
16:36 coingenuity you can bribe them and get an export authorization, or so i hear
16:36 b0n1 shadow banking system?
16:36 mircea_popescu this dude is cute.
16:37 coingenuity whats good mircea_popescu :)
16:37 mircea_popescu yes, all hail b0n1, the new black gold market czar of china
16:37 b0n1 :)
16:37 mircea_popescu they'll shoot you dood.
16:37 coingenuity ^
16:37 mircea_popescu but otherwise, china buys 100-150 tons a month. thanks to the jpm&co keeping the price low with their derivative trades,
16:38 coingenuity heh
16:38 coingenuity yeah, the gov buys a ton
16:38 b0n1 coingenuity, is it difficult to get the export authorization?
16:38 coingenuity b0n1: i assume its nearly impossible
16:38 mircea_popescu start by getting the job of chinese foreign trade minister
16:38 mircea_popescu then it;'s easy.
16:38 coingenuity ^
16:39 b0n1 :) maybe i am
16:39 b0n1 haha
16:39 mircea_popescu on the internet every dog is the emperor of china.
16:39 coingenuity lol
16:39 b0n1 coingenuity, what do you think of jade?
16:40 coingenuity b0n1: no opinion
16:40 b0n1 or as mircea_popescu said any textile stuff. you could just go to a trading company that ship the stuff always straight to europe
16:40 nubbins` b0n1: curious to know what you're getting at here
16:40 mircea_popescu yes yes. if you have a good opportunity they'll provide you goods. learn chinese, go hang out there fgor a year. it's a living.
16:41 mircea_popescu not quite as good a living as it was in 1993, but anyway.
16:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0057 = 0.1995 BTC [-]
16:42 b0n1 nubbins`, maybe some cool sources to read a bit about that
16:43 b0n1 good forums or stuff... cant find any good source
16:44 nubbins` i meant, why are you so interested in exporting a good from chins
16:44 nubbins` uh. china
16:44 nubbins` !ticker
16:44 assbot I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
16:44 nubbins` hm
16:45 nubbins` ;;ticker
16:45 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.80016, Best ask: 223.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.19984, Last trade: 221.80016, 24 hour volume: 37045.60898872, 24 hour low: 199.60000, 24 hour high: 224.30000, 24 hour vwap: 211.91772
16:45 nubbins` ^ that's getting a bit ridiculous
16:45 b0n1 nubbins`, because i think there is great potential after the opening
16:46 mod6 i've been thinking about this chart lately: http://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin << even after the rally, look where it is.
16:46 nubbins` ha
16:47 kakobrekla http://smpake.com/etc/btc/
16:48 nubbins` i'm having trouble deciding how greedy to be
16:48 mircea_popescu mod6 which is why the rally.
16:49 mod6 kakobrekla: what does the x axis rep? im cornfused.
16:49 mircea_popescu on top of everything else however, like tech obsolesncence etc, the independent miners now also have the problem of dealing with people who mine for political rather than economic reasons
16:49 mircea_popescu it'll be tough
16:49 kakobrekla horizontal is time
16:49 nubbins` 10% attack
16:50 mod6 kakobrekla: i can't figure how those numbers are linear though
16:50 nubbins` anyway, the dilemma is that if i sell this stack of btc now, i could lose out on potential gains if the trend continues to rise
16:50 kakobrekla its a copla of years chars since its started to chart
16:50 kakobrekla dayum its been long :\
16:50 nubbins` but if i sit on them with the expectation that the trend continues, i risk losing out on potential gains as well
16:51 nubbins` and so i'm left trying to decide just how greedy i am
16:51 mircea_popescu lmao. 1st world problems.
16:51 nubbins` i know right?
16:52 mod6 oh because { 26.x, 27.x, 28.x, 27.x, 26.x ...} etc
16:52 mod6 ok heh
16:52 mod6 oh thats the date, not the month. got it.
16:53 nubbins` ah!
16:53 nubbins` well, that makes more sense now
16:53 nubbins` what an odd date format
16:53 mircea_popescu it's not odd, it's european/
16:53 nubbins` you just said two opposite things
16:54 mircea_popescu inception
16:54 mircea_popescu http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/17/signature-thursday-how-strong-is-yours/
16:54 ozbot Signature Thursday: How strong is yours? | Bingo Blog
16:54 mircea_popescu im curious how long before judges move to gpg sigs
16:54 deadweasel yes, wake up, the price is actually $33/btc
16:56 nubbins` mircea_popescu: prolly never
16:56 mircea_popescu i dunno, i wouldn't take the judge job w/o gpg sigs.
16:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.31000087 = 2.48 BTC [-] {2}
16:57 nubbins` well, there are plenty of judges that won't accept emailed documents but will accept faxes
16:57 nubbins` not necessarily the most eager to embrace technology
16:58 nubbins` anyway, i gotta go prep for a zine workshop. peace
16:58 mircea_popescu yeah, but suppose it becomes law tomorrow that should your signature be forged, you're responsible as if you had signed.
16:58 nubbins` heh!
16:59 mircea_popescu part of a larger obama responsibility reform package, that also includes a rule that if your computer is hacked and sends spam, you're fined
16:59 mircea_popescu ten bux an email or something reasonable like that.
16:59 mircea_popescu (half of which going to the party that reports the spam, of course)
17:00 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMjGAimtRc
17:00 ozbot Roger Hodgson - Dreamer [Live] - YouTube
17:00 nubbins` and on that note, i'm out
17:00 mod6 only a matter of time until a party collects keys and then spams people to generate rev.
17:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2662 @ 0.00084533 = 2.2503 BTC [+]
17:01 mod6 (if that should happen)
17:01 mircea_popescu mod6 how'd that work ?
17:01 mod6 <dude> Your Honor, I swear I never sent those emails. <Judge> Sorry son, this spam has your key sig.
17:02 mod6 *gavel*
17:02 mircea_popescu a no.
17:02 mircea_popescu most of spam floating about today is traceable to clueless "businesses"
17:02 mircea_popescu that run poorly secured, windows computers on the network
17:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57300014 = 1.719 BTC [-]
17:03 mircea_popescu consider : Subject: This Company Announced News Today From: frank@altimayachts.com
17:03 mircea_popescu "Altima Yachts, Inc was founded out of a desire by our founder, Frank Sciortino, to produce the finest cruising yacht possible at a reasonable investment level."
17:04 pankkake so running windows is now a crime in the US? at least government intervention does something positive!
17:04 pankkake at last*
17:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8087 @ 0.00084594 = 6.8411 BTC [+] {3}
17:05 mircea_popescu ah the sweet day when im tyrant and everyone who ever worked for microsoft is permanently in jail.
17:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0055432 = 0.2772 BTC [-] {6}
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1713 @ 0.00084719 = 1.4512 BTC [+]
17:10 dub http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2013/10/device-electricity-silicon-chips/
17:10 ozbot New device stores electricity on silicon chips | Research News @ Vanderbilt | Vanderbilt Universi
17:13 dexX7 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312513393903/0001193125-13-393903-index.htm < "is this good news?"
17:13 dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316872.0
17:13 ozbot Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust on Bloomberg
17:16 mircea_popescu not much yet.
17:17 mircea_popescu it's been pending listing since summer.
17:17 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
17:17 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.01112, Best ask: 223.79500, Bid-ask spread: 1.78388, Last trade: 222.01110, 24 hour volume: 37508.43892433, 24 hour low: 199.60135, 24 hour high: 224.30000, 24 hour vwap: 212.23333
17:17 ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats
17:17 pgp mod6: Regarding miner profits, Blockchain.info has not updated it's assumption of Watts/GH in a long time. Latest hardware is at around 10 Watts per GH not 650 Watts. Miners are still making plenty...
17:17 gribble Current Blocks: 265603 | Current Difficulty: 2.677312494824211E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 266111 | Next Difficulty In: 508 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 380572529.595 | Estimated Percent Change: 42.14722
17:17 ThickAsThieves ;;estimate
17:17 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 380572529.595 based on data since last change | 433506794.872 based on data for last three days
17:18 mircea_popescu 42 ej
17:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
17:20 mod6 pgp: ah. thx.
17:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00571022 = 0.4911 BTC [+] {2}
17:25 mircea_popescu ;;gentime 1000000
17:25 gribble The average time to generate a block at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 267731249.482, is 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 14 seconds
17:26 mircea_popescu ;;calc 13*24*3.600*10
17:26 gribble 11232
17:26 mircea_popescu ;;calc 25 * 220 / 11232
17:26 gribble 0.489672364672
17:26 mircea_popescu nah that's broken
17:27 mircea_popescu ;;calc 13*24*10
17:27 gribble 3120
17:28 mircea_popescu ;;calc 25 * 220 / 3120
17:28 gribble 1.76282051282
17:28 mircea_popescu so yeah, if they pay less than 1.75 dollars / kwh and the gear was free they're making a profit.
17:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.25 = 0.5 BTC [+]
17:28 benkay ;;tslb
17:28 gribble Time since last block: 7 minutes and 59 seconds
17:31 mod6 so could a hardware device that measures the decay of a certain isotope be contrived to obtain a reliable source of random numbers? and if so, what would be the best isotope to use?
17:31 mod6 was looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_isotopes_by_half-life in the 10^-3 range...
17:32 mircea_popescu if the gear costs 100k per terahash and it has to be amortised in 6 months however, the cost of electricity would have to be under -7 dollars/kwh or so.
17:32 mircea_popescu mod6 i'll tell you later, in the shape of a future nsa product :D
17:33 mod6 :]
17:33 dub it'll be a box with a camera and a turtle in it
17:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00084685 = 1.1856 BTC [-]
17:33 mircea_popescu why a turtle specifically ?
17:35 dub best size vs. longevity I could think of in 8 seconds
17:35 dub some of those little guys last 20 years
17:35 dub big ones longer than us obviously but harder to ug around
17:35 dub lug*
17:36 mircea_popescu http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/03/Peanut-Deformed-Turtle-Six-Pack-Ring-1-537x380.jpg
17:37 dub darwin be praised
17:37 jurov <phungus> [18:45:17] a Broker doesn't seem like it would help for listing << why not? it can help you, infact i'm already doing stuff to help namworld with this passthroughs ;)
17:38 jurov *with his passthroughs
17:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61269944 BTC [+]
17:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005496 = 0.1374 BTC [-] {8}
17:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 746 @ 0.005251 = 3.9172 BTC [-] {32}
17:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 567 @ 0.00503144 = 2.8528 BTC [-] {5}
17:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 83 @ 0.04989408 = 4.1412 BTC [-] {8}
17:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31 BTC [-]
17:42 kakobrekla >>"Kakobrekla is the slanderous soul"
17:42 kakobrekla lmao
17:43 mircea_popescu who did you slander this time
17:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.61275 = 3.0638 BTC [+]
17:43 dub has to be luke
17:44 mircea_popescu could be luke...
17:44 kakobrekla no, its that kiddo.
17:44 mircea_popescu here, i'll trade you : "the writer here has something interesting to say and a few useful ways to explain it, but jesus if trilema hasn't completely fucking spoiled me for elegance and conciseness."
17:46 kakobrekla dunno how to slander that.
17:52 mircea_popescu slander IMMUNITY
17:54 ThickAsThieves <+AssetBot> [Graet.Loan] 2 @ 0.00502000 = 0.01004000 [-]
17:54 ThickAsThieves it's a .01 face value "bond" (loan)
17:56 mircea_popescu the market is never wrong
17:56 jurov "slanderous soul" ... sounds almost poetic
18:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00520001 = 0.26 BTC [+]
18:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.0052 = 0.1196 BTC [-]
18:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.627069 = 26.3369 BTC [+] {13}
18:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.57329476 = 10.8926 BTC [-] {8}
18:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00084157 = 0.6733 BTC [-]
18:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00500001 = 2.5 BTC [-] {4}
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18:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00500084 = 0.6001 BTC [+] {2}
18:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 401 @ 0.00500009 = 2.005 BTC [-] {4}
18:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 256 @ 0.0050002 = 1.2801 BTC [+] {6}
18:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00084657 = 2.2011 BTC [+]
18:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5621 BTC [-]
18:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 668 @ 0.00017 = 0.1136 BTC [+]
19:01 jurov http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/10/22/how-chinas-xiaomi-does-in-a-week-what-apple-does-in-a-year-update-devices/
19:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00084124 = 6.1411 BTC [-] {2}
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19:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10036 @ 0.00084082 = 8.4385 BTC [-] {2}
19:43 dub its pretty easy realy
19:43 dub when there are no resourcing limits, no regulations, no need to control quality
19:44 dub of course they wont last more than a few minutes on the timescale of apple's history
19:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00519507 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {4}
19:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5995 BTC [+]
19:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00519871 = 0.3015 BTC [-] {3}
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20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2070 @ 0.00084082 = 1.7405 BTC [-]
20:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60597499 = 2.4239 BTC [+] {2}
20:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00083786 = 1.0054 BTC [-]
20:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.563 BTC [-]
20:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00083294 = 5.4558 BTC [-] {2}
20:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00519999 = 0.3016 BTC [+] {2}
20:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0050002 = 0.125 BTC [-]
20:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1623 @ 0.00083169 = 1.3498 BTC [-]
20:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 758 @ 0.00114998 = 0.8717 BTC [+]
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21:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00083786 = 5.9907 BTC [+]
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21:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56200004 = 1.124 BTC [-]
21:45 dub ;;ath
21:45 gribble Error: "ath" is not a valid command.
21:46 dub ;;ticker --market all
21:46 gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 229.30538, vol: 39977.16721744 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 204.96, vol: 24337.44747621 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 201.002, vol: 21812.9261 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 208.0, vol: 11634.46571442 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 196.01, vol: 844.79642574 | Volume-weighted last average: 214.236556853
21:46 assbot 123!
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11693 @ 0.00083568 = 9.7716 BTC [-] {2}
22:01 Diablo-D3 wtf 229
22:02 dub we should ask mircea_popescu if its ok to be this high
22:02 Diablo-D3 before or after toking on a bong?
22:02 mircea_popescu if you mean http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png it's damned scary
22:03 dub we may need an angry blog post to bring it down
22:04 mircea_popescu there ain't no bringing this down babeh.
22:05 dub the price, not net speed
22:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00083575 = 11.1991 BTC [+] {2}
22:05 pgp i wish charts like that were plotted against log10...
22:05 mircea_popescu pgp http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-small-ever.png
22:06 BingoBoingo This just looks like the same process that started last winter where the new $100 normal was discovered. Maybe we are in for Bitcoin's trek from being the internet's crisp hundred dollar bill to being the crisp 500 euro note.
22:07 mircea_popescu there certainly exists the sufficient cause and backing for it.
22:07 KRS1 cool next month i get to start throwing my asic miners away..useless.
22:07 mircea_popescu KRS1 have BingoBoingo over for a bbq
22:08 KRS1 I live in Florida near Miami.
22:08 KRS1 not far from Miami
22:08 dexX7 bitcoin backing / justification for a huge rise = purchased asic hardware, mp?
22:08 BingoBoingo KRS1: That isn't too long of a drive. I just might have to retape my passenger side mirror on before I try returning to the Interstate Highways.
22:09 KRS1 jaja
22:10 KRS1 A while back i met Aaron the author of BAMT. He lives not far from me.
22:10 KRS1 met quite a few people in BTC here.
22:10 KRS1 LorenzoMoney..he's cool.
22:11 mircea_popescu dexX7 nope, i've never mined, i still am not mining.
22:11 KRS1 like you have a reason to..haha keep doing what you do
22:12 mircea_popescu yeah, we can't all do everything.
22:13 KRS1 wouldnt want to..im working for my retirement so i can say FU and earn a few percent in the south caribbean somewhere.
22:14 mircea_popescu anyway, curious if we're in for a rehash of july 2010. (vertical degree of magnitude wall, i think there were two consecutive 400% increases there)
22:14 phungus it, fels the same
22:14 phungus feels
22:15 mircea_popescu it does have a sort of air doesn't it
22:15 phungus I am saying 500
22:15 phungus then the reset
22:15 phungus maybe that's too high
22:15 phungus I dunno
22:15 KRS1 one would think when the btc would be 100% mined to figure that maybe?
22:15 KRS1 year or two before supply runs out?
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8208 @ 0.00083564 = 6.8589 BTC [-] {2}
22:16 KRS1 $266 was fun indeed
22:17 nubbins` i think they were talking about difficulty
22:17 KRS1 oh right 2010
22:17 nubbins` yeah, last pasted link
22:18 nubbins` that's a wild couple of jumps
22:18 KRS1 ;;seen chaang-noi
22:18 gribble chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 5 days, 9 hours, 56 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> TOM FORD
22:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.56200004 = 2.248 BTC [-] {2}
22:19 mircea_popescu nubbins` of course one has to appreciate it was on very narrow base
22:19 nubbins` yeah. two beers will make you the drunkest guy in an empty bar.
22:19 mircea_popescu 7 degrees of magnitude below current levels.
22:19 mircea_popescu right.
22:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1223 BTC [-]
22:26 mircea_popescu KRS1 i dunno about LorenzoMoney, he's been maligning my good name calling me a fascist science writer and stuff
22:26 nubbins` lel
22:26 KRS1 damn =/
22:27 KRS1 I met him seemed ok..thats odd.
22:27 mircea_popescu ikr?
22:28 KRS1 sorry to hear that
22:29 mircea_popescu KRS1 you realise it's a joke, mostly.
22:32 KRS1 oh i missed that ok
22:32 KRS1 came out of nowhere
22:33 dexX7 ;;calc 1/205
22:33 gribble 0.00487804878049
22:40 BingoBoingo I'll just throw out it feels more like January 2013 than silk Road July (and to most people that should mean nothing, don't you cultivate your own personalized WOT's).
22:42 dub wot
22:42 KRS1 wut
22:43 asciilifeform for the crypto/information-theory buffs: http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
22:45 KRS1 Score % Leader Man 3 100.00 Machine 0 0.00
22:45 KRS1 i am teh win
22:46 ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 20000
22:46 gribble A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 5406287.9873 USD and would take the last price up to 493.3530 USD, resulting in an average price of 270.3144 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0068 seconds
22:46 ThickAsThieves ;;bids 0
22:46 gribble There are currently 73141057 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14581346.7977 USD in total. | Data vintage: 10.6065 seconds
22:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cool beans
22:49 mircea_popescu KRS1 beat it with a score > 100
22:49 asciilifeform everybody try it on your cat. or wife. or other pets.
22:50 TomServo what's the high score? :)
22:50 mircea_popescu Man685.71* Machine114.29<
22:50 mike_c that website can read my mind. super annoying.
22:50 mircea_popescu it's not too hard to beat to shit provided you have infinite memory.
22:50 mircea_popescu you don't, so the computer will eventually win.
22:50 mircea_popescu (as sooner or later you begin forgetting your earlier patterns)
22:51 mircea_popescu basically if you can't score > 50% on 100 rolls you'll never be a card counter in blackjack
22:51 asciilifeform you can cheat by tossing a coin, say. but it's gotta be a perfectly fair coin!
22:51 mircea_popescu anyway, this warrants a write-up
22:51 asciilifeform the point of the exercise was to illustrate a fact.
22:52 TomServo it does that well, I think.
23:01 mircea_popescu sooo, in the latest installment of "libertards are owned by technology", it'd seem the uncompromised obamacare will in fact be delayed after all. because websites are hard.
23:03 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But they have a dream team of engineers whose owners won't be named...
23:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00477138 = 0.1718 BTC [-] {3}
23:04 BingoBoingo Also managed 55.93% on 100 rolls on Ma vs. Machine
23:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00462708 = 0.2221 BTC [-] {3}
23:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.06989999 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
23:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.0698 = 0.2792 BTC [-]
23:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.00442712 = 0.5445 BTC [-] {3}
23:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00441 = 0.4631 BTC [-] {3}
23:09 nubbins` 53.19% :(
23:12 mircea_popescu wd.
23:12 nubbins` oh wait. i stopped when i had 100 points
23:12 nubbins` i misread
23:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 33 @ 0.0698 = 2.3034 BTC [-]
23:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you toss a coin you'll get something like 1% over the machine in 1000 tries
23:19 mircea_popescu or w/e, 0.01 in 1mn tries
23:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21199 @ 0.00083626 = 17.7279 BTC [+] {3}
23:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9539 @ 0.00083842 = 7.9977 BTC [+]
23:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0698 = 0.1396 BTC [-]
23:25 mircea_popescu "October 24, 2013 will bring with it something that has not been heard of since 1921. The entire House and Senate, all of Capitol Hill will close for the funeral of a Representative. However unlike the 1921 Congress Closing, all members are being flown to Florida for the funeral by the United States Air Force."
23:25 mircea_popescu if "terrorists" happen to bomb that plane...
23:25 VanCleef my dad died as a terrorist show some respect
23:26 KRS1 haha
23:28 BingoBoingo I'm guessing Bitcoin doesn't have an assassination market yet?
23:28 VanCleef yeh right some fat virgin nerd is going to leave their grandmothers basement to do a hit
23:28 Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, ask DRP
23:28 VanCleef good one
23:28 VanCleef why would they do that when they can smell their computer chair all day
23:29 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/find-out-just-how-human-your-girlfriend-really-is/
23:29 ozbot Find out just how human your girlfriend really is* pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.56160001 = 2.808 BTC [-] {3}
23:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ :D
23:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046 = 0.46 BTC [+]
23:34 BingoBoingo VanCleef Apocalyptic: You never know. Even the fat need exercise sometimes. Look how skinny the coke made DPR when he couldn't sell it.
23:34 mircea_popescu lmao
23:34 mircea_popescu coke doesn't make you skinny, it's practically sugar.
23:34 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not to your metabolism.
23:35 VanCleef i met a crackwhore the other night at a nightclub
23:35 VanCleef its funny when they really look like a crackwhore
23:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25270 @ 0.00083728 = 21.1581 BTC [-] {3}
23:35 mircea_popescu you know, people who specify CRACKwhore make me thing ladyboys are a lot more popular than i imagine.
23:36 VanCleef very popular
23:36 VanCleef even actual women are starting to look like ladyboys now
23:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no, seriouslys, it's usually sugar cut. at least the upscale stuff.
23:41 BingoBoingo Around here allegedly the contaminant is usually gypsum that was in the way of copper that needed stole.
23:41 mircea_popescu also for that reason crack cocaine != cocaine
23:43 KRS1 very different
23:44 BingoBoingo Well, the speed at which you can reach a decent serum concentration generally makes a difference on end effect.
23:46 mircea_popescu that's not the whole story there. crack is significantly more toxic.
23:47 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: More toxic yes, but mostly from combustion byproducts. The bicarbonates that make the crack a rock generally don't stay very benign when they burn.
23:48 mircea_popescu also from the sudden avalanche of sodium blockers being less well tolerated by the heart
23:49 BingoBoingo Then there's the part where lung tissue tends to atrophy in the presence of cocaine in a way it can't for nicotine since humans generally have a bunch of enzymes ready to break down cholinergics like nicotine, though not so much for cocaine.
23:51 BingoBoingo Nicotine is the odd case in which any non-smoking route of administration can generally get more drug to the brain. For cocaine, the opiates and others the case is usually the opposite.
23:51 mircea_popescu http://cdn2.tauntr.com/sites/default/files/CokeSpoon_Cowboys.jpg
23:57 BingoBoingo /me wonders where MrKlye is for this conversation
23:57 nubbins` i've seen people add heaping spoonfuls of powdered glucosamine to bags of coke
23:57 nubbins` anything white that won't immediately kill you, really
23:59 mircea_popescu glucosamine isn't particularly toxic or anything
23:59 mircea_popescu actually i think you can't even find a "food supplement" that doesn't include it.
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