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00:02 * asciilifeform reiserfs user 4evah
00:02 asciilifeform cold dead hands, motherfuckers
~ 1 hours 55 minutes ~
01:58 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=90 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/09/2018
02:00 mircea_popescu wait, i thought the guy died
02:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not afaik
02:03 mircea_popescu oh, wait, conflating with templeos guy. my bad
02:03 asciilifeform ( not to be confused with debian derp; reiser iirc is doing 20tolife for nailing exwife )
02:03 mircea_popescu yes yes, it's now coming back to me.
~ 1 hours 21 minutes ~
03:25 mircea_popescu meanwhile in daily keks, http://confessionsofademisexual.tumblr.com/
03:26 mircea_popescu i wonder, (sitting all day derping about nonsense) and (begging for a tenner) could possibly be related in any manner ?
~ 3 hours 40 minutes ~
07:07 * spyked back from the bottomless tar pits of meat, preparing status report
07:07 lobbesbot spyked: Sent 1 week, 5 days, 16 hours, and 20 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> to continue the thing that never ends : http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/#footnote_0_34776 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802173
07:10 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-21#1874133 <-- things were all nice and sweet back when http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07f-bucharest-ii.html#selection-499.71-499.250 and I got the wheels greased for ircbot regrind and rss bot (got both sitting here, the former's ready to be published), when my old man started getting intermittent fevers coupled with an excruciating pain in the leg muscles. we ended up burning our time in hospitals and still no clue wtf'
07:10 a111 Logged on 2018-11-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: heh. hey spyked... what became of ye ?
07:12 spyked anyway, this is no excuse for my long silence, so: I'ma bring rss bot here in the following hour (it's been under heavy testing for the last month, so it should at least be a decent replacement for current deedbot rss functionality) and keccak+manifest ircbot tree should be out by the 1st of december
07:13 spyked and there's a long backlog of lines that I need to answer, will come with schedule for those and other work this week.
07:21 spyked !!rate feedbot 1 rss bot-in-tests, poke spyked for details
07:21 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/z06X5/?raw=true
07:22 spyked !!v EEB8FD8B72972A7B17ED8540D0F7AB34CE16DA1336EB7E3FC6A49E330EAB6897
07:22 deedbot spyked rated feedbot 1 << rss bot-in-tests, poke spyked for details
07:25 spyked !1help
07:25 feedbot Usage: !1 {subscribe,unsubscribe} feed_url
07:27 spyked ^ likbez on how to use. to subscribe feeds for pm, pm feedbot, to subscribe for #trilema send command in-channel.
07:28 spyked notification for current republican feeds has already been added for #trilema, so you can disable the rss piece in deedbot, trinque
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07:31 spyked of course, this will disable notification via pm as well, so if there's any way you want me to handle this (e.g. mass-adding existing pm notifications) lemme know
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08:10 diana_coman wb spyked ; feedbot looks good - I sent it pm to subscribe to http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/feed/ and it apparently got it (bonus, it correctly said I was already subscribed when I poked it the 2nd time with the same thing)
08:14 diana_coman it apparently took feedbot 2 minutes though to spill a first bunch of the comments after the subscribe, lol
08:24 spyked hey diana_coman, ty for testing! yeah, it's a bit slow because it grabs the feeds serially, I'll have to fix that.
08:26 spyked also nb, drakma has no equivalent for curl's --max-time, so I had to cook something up the first time I noticed this issue. sometimes connections don't fail, but they clog the pipeline by keeping the client waiting.
~ 39 minutes ~
09:06 phf trinque: that's a valid idea re status code, semantics have changed
09:06 lobbesbot phf: Sent 11 hours and 19 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa , ty
09:07 phf unless there are objections from others i'll add it to backlog
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09:15 phf as far as the other idea re empty dir for genesis, i'll play with it. there are some non-v legacy corner cases right now that i should fix anyway when it comes to different kinds of diffed arguments
09:19 phf vpatch is picky about what it accepts, it's basically only a/foo/* b/foo/*, where's vdiff can accept a totally random stuff like /foo/bar/qux diffed against /dev/null or whatever. right now even diffing two straight files e.g. vdiff x y will produce a non-pressable vpatch. this is all not so much a bug as an unexplored aspect of vdiffing which is also part of the whole rename tracking.
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09:21 phf but to your point specifically, i was thinking that if you provide only one argument, right now vdiff errors out, so i think it would be better if it produced genesis. e.g. vdiff foo could produce a a/foo/* false b/foo/* 123 vpatch
09:24 phf or perhaps vdiff foo/{bar,buz}/... should be producing /a/foo/bar/... /b/foo/bar/... and /a/foo/buz/... /b/foo/buz/...
09:25 phf err vdiff foo where inside foo you have multiple folders. it's tied to whether or not those parent folders a and b should be implicit, and if vdiff should do the right thing in that case, or keep it all explicit and require the creation of a and b top level folders always.
09:29 asciilifeform phf: i like the explicit a/b dirs
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09:30 asciilifeform helps in keeping the thing straight, if they werent reqd i'd be stuck making'em anyway
09:43 phf asciilifeform: right, that's possibly something to make mandatory then, that is a diff of any two directories produces a a/... b/... patch. so that you can have v1/foo v2/foo v3/foo and vdiff v2 v3 produces a/foo b/foo
09:43 phf and then vdiff v1 will give you a/foo b/foo genesis
09:49 asciilifeform phf: i really dun see what's wrong with the old form
09:49 asciilifeform i always make actual a,b dirs, it dun feel like backbreaking work
09:50 asciilifeform definitely is the absolutely smallest part of a vtronic project
09:51 phf asciilifeform: i don't think so either, but it's a question of what's the format of vpatch. if the a/foo b/foo is mandatory or if you e.g. can have v2/foo v3/foo. right now the answer is "don't do it that way", which is fine, but it's cheap to talk through that stuff.
09:52 * phf brb
09:55 asciilifeform aaah
09:55 asciilifeform imho a,b oughta be the standard, yes
~ 29 minutes ~
10:24 asciilifeform meanwhile, in spam lulz, http://www.eghtesadban.com/events/5560171/finite-field-arithmetic-chapter-12b-karatsuba-redux-part-2-of-2
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10:27 asciilifeform phf: i fughet, is there a hopper in http://btcbase.org/patches that i can dump patches into, so i dun have to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874673 ? or is that still in the worx
10:27 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 02:46 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa , ty
~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~
11:41 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/UhPRW << top keks... it even links to the original ? wtf is this.
11:41 asciilifeform i have nfi!
11:42 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/fjNn5 << root. i'm guessing 2010s era mfa technologies
11:53 mircea_popescu o hey, wb spyked
11:54 asciilifeform !#s mfa
11:54 a111 28 results for "mfa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mfa
11:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
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11:54 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 12:28 spyked: notification for current republican feeds has already been added for #trilema, so you can disable the rss piece in deedbot, trinque
11:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's mfa ? i.e. spamola ? or moar specific ?
11:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "made for adsense", early republican technology that consisted of force-leaching of turkey dollars from pre-alphabet google's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663222
11:56 a111 Logged on 2017-05-30 16:07 asciilifeform: no word so far on what the brits will do when they discover that the 'sticker prices' for the golden toilets are a work of '2 old jews and their painting' fiction , and ~worthless on market
11:56 asciilifeform aaaaa clickpump
11:57 mircea_popescu essentially driven the "abstraction" cycle of that abomination, resulting in today's situation, where google is practically dead on the black side of the ledger, 0 utility for anyone, and extremely expensive on the red side.
11:58 mircea_popescu cuz how do you "fight terrorists" aka people wielding uncomfortable realities, other than by hiding in ever deeper layers of imaginary nonsense.
11:58 asciilifeform hey if ibm can live for 40 yrs on milking real estate , wainot also these
11:59 mircea_popescu oh, they certainly will. though looks more like 40 years of milking old people's idiocies, "old man's otherwise dead eyes seem to light up when i mention i'm locked up in google cell block, as opposed to ordinary cell block. nfi why, but in truth i never saw that idiot genuinely happy, so what can you do."
11:59 BingoBoingo Update on the G20 invasion: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/lluvia-de-solicitudes-para-sobrevolar-el-territorio-uruguayo--20181125144049
12:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol! so they did kowtow.
12:01 mircea_popescu as a side point, i wonder how many of these cardboard imbeciles, "i'm not fucking my daughter because there's no space in the kitchen robot atop my shoulders for such out there things, not because i totally could but don't really feel like it" understand they strictly can't be anyone's father, or anything else. just items, like the table, "approving" or "disapproving" of entirely nothing in particular.
12:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why wouldn't they, lol.
12:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i naively thought there was a chance that they'd protest
12:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, Globalist Pantsuitist Fat Forehead Party
12:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why ?
12:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The Blanco Party protested
12:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dunno, i dun have a good model of the miami-seekers, apparently
12:03 BingoBoingo Anyways, a lot more military vessels passing by the beach this past week
12:04 mircea_popescu but i mean, you realise this is ~free money, yes ?
12:04 asciilifeform they get paid?!
12:04 mircea_popescu you ever flew an airplane ?
12:05 asciilifeform see, i had picture that it's like potus visit to flyover states -- massive ding for local coffer (they offload as much of the cost as they can on podunk)
12:05 mircea_popescu not at all, lol.
12:05 asciilifeform then makes sense
12:05 mircea_popescu c-17 refuels, for instance.
12:05 mircea_popescu all those people, get off, pay the local whores. 0 clue as to anything.
12:05 mircea_popescu the only time most of the local morons actually see custom is when usg.tards land.
12:07 mircea_popescu hercules tank is like 30k gallons. per plane. if they surcharge a coupla bucks a liter, which they do, uruguay airport made 100k in one day for the first time since it was inaugurated.
12:08 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> hercules tank is like 30k gallons. per plane. if they surcharge a coupla bucks a liter, which they do, uruguay airport made 100k in one day for the first time since it was inaugurated. << The price of aviation fuels went up last week quite a bit as well to the protest of some airlines
12:08 mircea_popescu i bet you they sold machine sandwiches they had sitting around since i was last there.
12:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hurr.
12:09 BingoBoingo But yes, Uruguay seems to be taking money
12:09 BingoBoingo Then there's going to be the hookers getting paid by the chair force folks
12:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's the margin on the fuel ?
12:10 BingoBoingo Locals who don't glaze over at the sight of dollars, because they track dollar prices here like folks back home track gas prices
12:11 * asciilifeform has nfi
12:11 asciilifeform i'd be surprised if it were 'coupla bux / litre' tho
12:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the margin it appears they are facing is more than a trickle of rectal blood given the airline shitfit over prices. Will try to dig up that article
12:11 asciilifeform ( 'coupla bux' would be a ~100% margin, neh )
12:13 BingoBoingo https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/aerolineas-se-reunieron-con-ancap-preocupadas-por-costo-del-combustible--2018112018470 Maybe I misremembered the recency
12:14 BingoBoingo Anyways, USG is going to likely be buying fuel made with VZLA's oil
12:17 BingoBoingo Mind this is a country where https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/para-de-fleteros-dejo-sin-combustible-al-aeropuerto-de-carrasco-20181016204544 happens
12:26 asciilifeform in other lulz, 201.212.242.133 - - [26/Nov/2018:12:42:53 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1542 "http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/61.0.3163.79 Safari/537.36 Maxthon/5.2.5.4000" "-" << argentina
12:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you lack this fundamental experience, of either taking a boat/yacht/whatever, or a private plane, to port. it's this very specific thing, like the post-party restaurant bill or taking a harem grocery shopping.
12:32 mircea_popescu suddenly there's this mile-and-a-half ticker tape.
12:34 mircea_popescu but yes, fuel-bought-at-airport is in same class as sandwich-bought-at-airport. 100% isn't even a bad deal.
12:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: guilty. i haven't flown space station, either.
12:34 asciilifeform not even submarine.
12:35 * asciilifeform believes mircea_popescu's summary.
12:36 mircea_popescu but i mean, you can reconstruct it mentally in any case, yes ? "there's a fee for the dock spot" "aha" "and would you like your tanks pumped ?" "sure" "this is for fuel this is for black water this is for fresh water do you want air" "go on" "oh there's also mandatory veterinarian inspection" "i got no anima..ugh. i only got bipedal pets on board" "can be waived for fee"
12:36 * BingoBoingo during the apartment search breifly considered a dock at the Yacht Club's Puertito Buceo. Floating house stray thought did not survive 5 minutes.
12:36 asciilifeform yea makes sense.
12:36 mircea_popescu and i mean, what are you going to do ? not pump the tank ?
12:36 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform's notion was that usg, unlike yachtsman, somehow mooches the cost from the orcs )
12:36 mircea_popescu large portion of ye olde "it's expensive to live in places humans do not naturally live in, be it air water mars w/e"
12:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the way they try to close the circle is by aspirating large chunks later, "sells them military technology".
12:37 mircea_popescu 70-80% of what usg embassy even does, is try to get the dubaloos back in large coups.
12:38 BingoBoingo UY.MIl kit distinctly lacks USG tech
12:39 mircea_popescu in those cases there's also "joint-ventures", http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861717
12:39 a111 Logged on 2018-10-13 04:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz nobody likely gives a shit about : romania apparently has some natgas in its chunk of black sea shelf ; usg wants to steal this ; ro senate wrote a law for them ; ro commons rejected it, because this one guy (liviu dragnea) said so. his majority collapsed because "hungarian" miniparty changed its mind overnight (ie, transparently got bought out) and well... guess who is "accused" of supposedly having FORCED
12:39 asciilifeform !!up pehbot
12:39 deedbot pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
12:39 asciilifeform !A help
12:39 pehbot asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
12:39 asciilifeform ^ updated.
12:39 mircea_popescu wb peh kek
12:39 asciilifeform diana_coman et al ^
12:39 asciilifeform ( i'ma move it to #asciilifeform later today, to cut down on rubbish in log )
12:40 mircea_popescu ftr, that dragnea fellow being http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741883
12:40 a111 Logged on 2017-11-22 00:50 mircea_popescu: but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH.
12:41 asciilifeform !A .1.FFLS#
12:41 pehbot asciilifeform: 8000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
12:41 asciilifeform !A .1.FFLS.FFRS#
12:41 pehbot asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
12:42 asciilifeform !A .1.FFW#
12:42 pehbot asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000008
12:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i honestly don't even see the problem with this being here. let people learn how to code, what.
12:42 asciilifeform aite
12:42 mircea_popescu if and when it ~actually~ becomes annoying, then.
12:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: UY doesn't really have natgas or any other hydrocarbons of its own. It has cows. The supermarket turkeys though were US imports though.
12:42 asciilifeform it's quiet by default, so sure.
12:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda the point of the design/spec yeah. BingoBoingo heh.
12:43 asciilifeform !A .1.FFLSW#
12:43 pehbot asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100
12:43 asciilifeform ^ sums up ch13.
12:43 mircea_popescu !A .117.FFLS#
12:43 pehbot mircea_popescu: 8000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
12:45 mircea_popescu !A .1.FFLS.FFW.FFRS#
12:45 pehbot mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
12:45 mircea_popescu leet.
12:46 asciilifeform !A .7.D.5M*#
12:46 pehbot asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
12:48 asciilifeform btw:
12:48 asciilifeform !A H
12:48 pehbot asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 0: This Operator is not defined yet: H
12:48 asciilifeform ^ also a ch13ism.
12:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874716 << no i think he has a point, shouldn't have to keep adding or-true to code.
12:48 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 14:07 phf: unless there are objections from others i'll add it to backlog
12:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can has broken up output tho ? 5s or 4s or w/e you prefer ?
12:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plox to elaborate ? broken up where
12:50 mircea_popescu <pehbot> asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000001 >> <pehbot> asciilifeform: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001
12:51 asciilifeform could, in principle ( could even discard leading 0s ) but i wrote the orig logic mircea_popescu-style, 'do not want spurious whitespaces'
12:51 asciilifeform ( observe that input mechanism dun require the leading 0s )
12:51 asciilifeform in cmdline work , the leading 0s actually make life easier ( can see if leading bit is in the expected place , etc )
12:52 asciilifeform pehbot is simply a wrapper around compiled ffa_calc , currently it gives closest possible picture to what you get if you ran the proggy itself locally.
12:53 asciilifeform ( bonus is that the ~output printing~ itself is constant-time, ha )
12:55 asciilifeform i perma-welded it to 256bit cuz irc lines are short .
12:56 BingoBoingo In still other lulz, MS paint map made by alleged local socialist kid of imaginary train system they would like to see in the city, Maybe USG is going to try to get their money back selling one? https://i.redd.it/f7xva1zoqd021.png
12:57 asciilifeform !A .~.80LS.80RS#
12:57 pehbot asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
12:57 asciilifeform aanyways who wants, can switch it on whenever.
12:59 asciilifeform there's still iirc a bug in auto-reconnector, but is upstream in the http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels-corrected , i'ma attend to it laters ( unless trinque & ben_vulpes know a ready pill )
13:02 asciilifeform !A .~.~.80LS.80RS-#
13:02 pehbot asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00000000000000000000000000000000
13:02 mircea_popescu incidentally, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874601 it occurs to me i should probably also share the echo "FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42Fv9985AFAB953C4/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7/gns" | sed 's%.\{1\}%&<wbr />%g' that produced it.
13:02 a111 Logged on 2018-11-25 17:38 mircea_popescu: br />5<wbr />0<wbr />7<wbr />F<wbr />A<wbr />F<wbr />E<wbr />D<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />B<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />2<wbr />2<wbr />8<wbr />A<wbr />0<wbr />0<wbr />1<wbr />A<wbr />B<wbr />F<wbr />F<wbr />C<wbr />7<wbr />/<wbr />g<wbr />n<wbr />s
13:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform fair enuff.
13:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in any case the pumps to keep the sea out right.
13:06 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's the least of the problems. The imaginary trains appear to just run portions of bus routes with little coverage of interesting city and long runs into the favelas
13:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874718 << philosophically i don't see the problem with having an empty dir around in project trees, as a permanent reminder of what perfect code looks like.
13:06 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 14:19 phf: vpatch is picky about what it accepts, it's basically only a/foo/* b/foo/*, where's vdiff can accept a totally random stuff like /foo/bar/qux diffed against /dev/null or whatever. right now even diffing two straight files e.g. vdiff x y will produce a non-pressable vpatch. this is all not so much a bug as an unexplored aspect of vdiffing which is also part of the whole rename tracking.
13:06 mircea_popescu but then again nothing substantially wrong with "genesis is when you vdiff against /dev/null".
13:07 mircea_popescu the ~only wrong thing is if there ends up added a switch, to turn machinery from "normal" to "genesis mode". that, no.
13:07 asciilifeform lol, re 'perfect code', oughta mention the philosophical complement to genesis : eschaton ( diff proj against null ...! )
13:07 asciilifeform i aint had occasion to do ~this~ yet, but whoknows.
13:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874722 << yeah. wrong place to have implicits./
13:08 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 14:29 asciilifeform: phf: i like the explicit a/b dirs
13:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have a strong bias against proggies which try to be 'smart'
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13:23 asciilifeform good % of the daily sisyphean boulder work of programmer, is to tear up these past attempts at 'smart' so that work can happen
13:24 mircea_popescu you should see ~people~ being "smart".
13:25 mircea_popescu daily work of man...
13:25 asciilifeform cleaning up ~those~ is much higher grade of exterminator work than asciilifeform's..
13:25 asciilifeform costs correspondingly moar.
13:27 asciilifeform ( archaetypical ill-conceived 'smart' -- koch's 'keychain' nonsense )
13:30 asciilifeform incidentally, is microshit still paying that derp megabux to 'maintain' his turd, i wonder
13:31 asciilifeform https://archive.is/s8cIZ << as of '15 apparently was
13:31 asciilifeform 'Feb. 5, 2015, 8:10 p.m.: After this article appeared, Werner Koch informed us that last week he was awarded a one-time grant of $60,000 from Linux Foundation's Core Infrastructure Initiative. Werner told us he only received permission to disclose it after our article published. Meanwhile, since our story was posted, donations flooded Werner's website donation page and he reached his funding goal of $137,000. In addition, Facebook an
13:31 asciilifeform d the online payment processor Stripe each pledged to donate $50,000 a year to Koch’s project.' etc
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13:45 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/11/tensions-heat-up-in-europe-after-ukranian-ships-seized-while-aggressing-on-kerch-strait-bridge/ << Qntra - Tensions Heat Up In Europe After Ukranian Ships Seized While Aggressing On Kerch Strait Bridge
13:46 feedbot http://qntra.net/2018/11/tensions-heat-up-in-europe-after-ukranian-ships-seized-while-aggressing-on-kerch-strait-bridge/ << Qntra -- Tensions Heat Up In Europe After Ukranian Ships Seized While Aggressing On Kerch Strait Bridge
13:48 BingoBoingo I guess if a news is going to be double posted it ought to be Merkel's opportunity to go out with a bang
14:01 mircea_popescu there's no other way here, is there.
14:02 mircea_popescu spyked plox to see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874742
14:02 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
14:03 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=91 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/10/2018
14:09 asciilifeform lol whatever happened to testing gadgets before firing in battlefield
14:10 asciilifeform 'Mp-wp standardizes unnecessary work' << bahahaha
14:20 mircea_popescu i guess he just got eager to contribute.
14:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and what's the objection ?
14:31 asciilifeform nuffin, mircea_popescu was awake to pull the breaker
14:32 diana_coman asciilifeform, I only skimmed the last chapter so Peh's output makes at least some sense but I still need to work my way through all the previous chapters; and time is limited as always...
14:32 asciilifeform btw diana_coman et al : comments on asciilifeform's www fixed
14:32 diana_coman ooo, yay!
14:32 diana_coman so it ..did not take all that long in fact?
14:32 asciilifeform ( replaced the google liquishit with a simple and humane kindergarden arithmetic thing )
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14:33 asciilifeform diana_coman: you could say that i cheated tho, lessee if actually worx
14:34 asciilifeform comments will still go to mod queue, but asciilifeform gets pinged and will review in sumthing close to realtime.
14:35 asciilifeform diana_coman: there is no reason to rush through the material, eat it at own pace
~ 42 minutes ~
15:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no i meant, re the mp-wp
15:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: phrase 'standardizes unnecessary work' is lulzy imho
15:19 mircea_popescu i guess i'm just auto-filling "standardizes [away the need to do] unnecessary work"
15:19 asciilifeform lol
15:25 asciilifeform in other noose, e.g. : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822#selection-457.1-533.1
15:25 asciilifeform ty mircea_popescu for the gadget.
15:29 asciilifeform diana_coman: dun seem like you have it on your www ? it's pretty simple to weld on
15:29 diana_coman asciilifeform, ?
15:29 asciilifeform the selector thingie
15:29 diana_coman the selection thing? I have it but on posts, not on main
15:30 asciilifeform aah
15:30 asciilifeform same, nm
15:30 asciilifeform worx
15:30 asciilifeform ( it might be possible to make it work correctly from main pg, but the stock one doesn't , aha )
15:35 mircea_popescu all you have to do is edit the main.php or w/e it;'s called, page template. single posts were single.php etc.
15:36 asciilifeform ugh loox like i found bug ( only with my url scheme, loox like )
15:36 asciilifeform if selection is cancelled, url turns into bare domain
15:36 asciilifeform and all subsequent sels are invalid
15:43 * asciilifeform tries to puzzle out wtf, so far stumped
15:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 vs http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ ; the thing assumes proper dir-like structure rather than simple GET-overloaded url.
15:45 asciilifeform i guessed as much
15:45 mircea_popescu you can try and hack it so it mixes ?& and # correctly ; but iirc this was a major pile of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874550 unpleasant decade or so ago
15:45 a111 Logged on 2018-11-25 16:35 mircea_popescu: fucking html, ALWAYS this is my experience with it : sink however long you want into making it do what you want it to, then write off that effort and hand-coerce things instead.
15:46 asciilifeform gnarly
15:47 asciilifeform 1 of the reasons i haven't taken up mircea_popescu's wp wholesale is 1) i dun wanna break ~any~ urls 2) at same time, i refuse to give wp write access to disk. so that means hand-genning .htaccess, ugh
15:48 asciilifeform ( would like to get eventually mp's wp, and human-readable urls, but promises to be painful )
15:48 mircea_popescu we discuss this periodically, and it's always coming out the same way -- i show you you're wrong and you mumble something and ignore it.
15:48 asciilifeform where wrong here ?
15:48 asciilifeform 'give it write access, damn it' ? i dunwanna.
15:48 mircea_popescu see how http://trilema.com/?p=1338 resolves ? there's no url broken with sane scheme. because mp-wp is written for me not for "the web".
15:49 asciilifeform phplade dun belong being able to change files on my disk.
15:49 mircea_popescu and there's no requirement to auto-edit htaccess, nfi what that is about.
15:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried.
15:50 asciilifeform ( possibly this is only the case if there's a set of ~existing~ posts that have old sad scheme, i'ma have to dig )
15:51 mircea_popescu no dude. just put the !-f !-d lines in your htaccess. da fuck does it know or care.
15:51 mircea_popescu pretty sure it even gives you the option to upload the item manually.
15:51 * asciilifeform goes to rtfm.
15:52 mircea_popescu nfi why you think you're running php without disk write access, either.
15:52 mircea_popescu auto-has it via apache anyway.
15:52 asciilifeform cuz i chmodded the contents, lol, to not be writable.
15:52 mircea_popescu so then what diff does it make lmao.
15:53 mircea_popescu let it write its htaccess and chmod it back, o noes.
15:53 mircea_popescu the problems you construct for yourself, i swear.
15:54 asciilifeform 11 yrs with 0 breakage is not my picture of 'problem'
15:54 asciilifeform ( and 0 spam, and 0 irregularities of any kind )
15:55 mircea_popescu except where nobody could leave you a freaking comment for like a year. wtf is an "irregularity".
15:55 asciilifeform third parties flipping bits on the disk when they oughtn't, for starters
15:56 mircea_popescu im sure you have just as much childpornyourhonor as the next citizen over.
15:56 mircea_popescu it's a fucking web box, who even cares at that level.
15:57 asciilifeform i care in that i gotta maintain the thing with own hands, i dun have meat bots.
15:57 mircea_popescu i'm sure if someone defaces ffa series to talk about what-ustards-understood-of-foucaults-sexnonsense-half-century-later someone'll notify you.
15:57 asciilifeform lol why ty.
15:59 trinque and then maybe we'll get another flood of tits out of it, even, when the 1337 haxor shows up for a month or two.
15:59 mircea_popescu oh was that what that was ?
15:59 trinque actually dun think douchebag ever defaced anything, just aspired to, and "knew people that"
15:59 asciilifeform yea iirc start of douchebag's short 'career' was that sumbody ( lobbes ? ) turned out to have world-writable thing
16:00 trinque ah that was it
16:00 mircea_popescu wasn't it my php hacked together something-or-other ?
16:00 mircea_popescu maybe the algo-hash thing
16:00 asciilifeform i dun recall him touching that one
16:00 mircea_popescu was something like "why does echo.php?contet=fuckyou print a bad word???"
16:01 asciilifeform nah iirc was honest 'run arbitrary bin'
16:01 mircea_popescu "cuz you told it to" "but i mean that's not how the web is supposed to work". was a whole mega-wtf, unfathomable depth of disagrement thing
16:01 asciilifeform in point of fact ~all~ proggies 'are because told to'
16:01 asciilifeform whether trivial lul where door left open or '0day'
16:01 mircea_popescu not in usg.web world. there, they only do what inca told them to.
16:02 mircea_popescu come to think, banks, also. and cars. and so on.
16:02 mircea_popescu the internet-vs-tv battle rages on, 1993 is but a memory.
16:02 asciilifeform is there even 1 usg www that doesn't have a shitcoin miner js in it yet ?
16:02 mircea_popescu nfi
16:03 * asciilifeform has a box here with stale thermal grease that reliably died when these are loaded
16:03 mircea_popescu lol detector
16:03 asciilifeform of sorts..
16:06 * asciilifeform finds it vaguely interesting that js mining is still worth the candles somewhere -- suggests that the shitcoins in question are uninteresting even to fpgaize
16:07 asciilifeform considering that even coupla watt worth of fpga outweighs coupla thou. js-eaters, in general
16:08 asciilifeform entirely possible that whole affair is entirely like other spamola, i.e. not actually +ev for anybody
16:10 mircea_popescu i'd expect.
16:10 mircea_popescu "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
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16:13 asciilifeform as i see it, it's damn near proof that the shitcoin 'exchange rates' are works of fiction -- 'if this is actually sellable for bitcent/ea., where is fpga ? '
16:14 asciilifeform ( in some particular cases, not hard to guess where, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872722 )
16:14 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 02:52 asciilifeform: tldr : heathen altcoin hash algo which supposedly 'memory hard', but then you look and it only wants 2MB ( and possibly less, with optimizations) -- evidently so that fluffypony or watshisname could use ~his~ seekrit fpga..
16:14 mircea_popescu speaking of which, /me goes to check the state of the fictions.
16:14 mircea_popescu o look, 3k btc!
16:14 asciilifeform 3 $ when.
16:15 mircea_popescu free bitcoin!!! the final fronteer! every one of an infinity of tards can have as many as it wants of these 21mn total things!!! OBAMACARE!
16:15 asciilifeform for some values of phree
16:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you recall your 'gold asteroid' essay ?
16:21 asciilifeform can't seem to unearth it in O(1)
16:22 asciilifeform the one where 'metallists are dumb if they think 'fixed supply', gold asteroid 20 metres diameter could hit any day of the week'
16:23 asciilifeform i am wondering where exactly is the practical diff, b/w that, and '21mn fixed supply' where unknown % is in hands of idjits who can mass dump any day of week
16:23 * asciilifeform brb,teatime
~ 41 minutes ~
17:05 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
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17:10 mircea_popescu it really doesn't matter, start or no start. the fake directory structure is just an indirection layer, internally articles are still referenced by counts.
17:10 mircea_popescu just, no particular need to expose that to the web.
17:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's no pill against idiocy ; and yes it's immoral to give idiots things, that's the whole fucking point -- if you give idiots things they fuck them up.
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17:21 BingoBoingo Depending on how far his wordpress is from MP-WP and in which direction is going to determine how much of a pain preserving those counts will be.
17:23 mircea_popescu but in digging for the item you want, ran into http://trilema.com/2013/the-bitcoiners-press-manual/ and http://trilema.com/2015/naivity-in-finance/ and http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/ and holy shit trilema's a great read.
17:23 mircea_popescu nevertheless, the item you want is prolly http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-175.0-175.758 ?
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17:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why ? i don't follow it, articles go in a table, has an id field, that;s it.
17:25 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Mullenwaggle's wp fork constantly changed the database field structures over the upgrades. How far his version "outran" the fork determines how much massaging the SQL dump is going to need to restore it for sanity
17:25 mircea_popescu ah
17:26 BingoBoingo Doing the xml dump import into a new mp-wp (or other wp) is going to change the counts
~ 20 minutes ~
17:47 mircea_popescu it is ?
17:47 mircea_popescu then it's fucking broken lol
17:47 mircea_popescu anyqway, why not just a mysql dump like sane ppl.
17:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874999 << yes ! ty mircea_popescu
17:52 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 22:23 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the item you want is prolly http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-175.0-175.758 ?
17:52 asciilifeform it's exactly it
17:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874996 << 1 of the apparent interesting things re btc was, that it seemed to climb the gradient and ~not~ concentrate in hands of idjit
17:55 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 22:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no pill against idiocy ; and yes it's immoral to give idiots things, that's the whole fucking point -- if you give idiots things they fuck them up.
17:55 asciilifeform but possibly this only worx on a ~very~ long timescale
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17:57 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874993 << BingoBoingo my case was ~specifically~ the one where ~not~ were used from start
17:57 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 22:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
17:57 mircea_popescu there's a contradictory force. consider what counted as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 just a few brief short years ago.
17:57 a111 Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
17:58 asciilifeform s/years/months lol
17:58 mircea_popescu the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
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17:59 mircea_popescu what passes for "wise man" in pashtun village is ~anyone, from ben stiller to alan ginsburg.
17:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Right, the question is what version of wordpress you are sitting on determines how much massaging you have to do to your database dump. Once MP-WP eats a correctly massaged dump your numbers counts survive and the numbers and human urls both work.
18:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'ma actually try this on a scratch box. ( but, prolly not today )
18:00 mircea_popescu so yes, climbs the gradient. the gradient climbs too. the hope, or at least my hope, is that the gradient climbing is self-limiting. in a manner of speaking like cleaning. yes if you neglect doing ANY housework at all, then for an interval the more housework you do, the more housework there is to be done.
18:00 mircea_popescu for a BRIEF interval.
18:00 mircea_popescu eventually removing a layer of crusted socks fails to produce an occult layer of crusted underwear.
18:00 asciilifeform ugh,this picture
18:00 mircea_popescu it's true that white man has neglected all things of the mind for a good half century now.
18:00 mircea_popescu but by now we're cringing at idiocy from the 70s, we're evidently running out.
18:02 asciilifeform dunno, there's still the geologic strata of idjicy from ~18~70s, demoocracies, and 1770s liberte egalite, etc
18:02 asciilifeform and i recall mircea_popescu's drills excavating a 1370s concordate, etc
18:02 mircea_popescu not really worth much mention. world productivity in the whole 1700s was a good modern quarter.
18:02 mircea_popescu like it or not, people from long ago ~did very little~. however well, good, interesting, whatever it might've been -- they did LITTLE.
18:03 asciilifeform the little was moar % faberge and less ipnoje tho
18:03 mircea_popescu no argument, but i really don't need much more time or tools to send off diderot than caleb crain. ~same size object.
18:04 asciilifeform right, but there's 3e9 crains and 1 diderot
18:04 mircea_popescu pantsuit imbecile of 1700 is lightweight indeed, compare the ineptly ineffectual paintsuitry of cardinal newman with the elaborately effectual (comparatively) idiocy of c s lewis or arthur blair.
18:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i will be sure to mark the grave of the king gnat separately. it still dies with one flick.
18:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826872 << lulzy thread btw
18:08 a111 Logged on 2018-06-19 16:57 douchebag: mircea_popescu: What makes someone smart enough to be here exactly then?
18:10 * mircea_popescu thinks of naggum, and how sad he was for missing
18:10 mircea_popescu the exact item im here discussing.
18:10 mircea_popescu rip.
18:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the lulziest part is that Mocky asked "the same question", got much better answer quicklier. http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/#selection-145.313-145.392 prevails ; and good fucking luck to the "bayesian" hopeful aspies.
18:19 asciilifeform possibly cuz Mocky was actually asking a q. as opposed to douchebag's... well, that thing where people shout incoherently on the stake
18:19 mircea_popescu ain't it always that.
18:20 asciilifeform it's exactly as in mircea_popescu's linked piece -- bag of lettered dice can't 'ask questions'
18:21 mircea_popescu and the bar to what it takes to ~not~ be directly approximabloe by bag of lettered dice raises over time, too!
18:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875018 << i dun see that they're instances of same item tho -- 1 was dumb http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874979 kid, other was a - quite clever enuff - bought an' paid-for pantsuit mole
18:23 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 22:58 mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
18:23 a111 Logged on 2018-11-26 21:10 mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
18:25 mircea_popescu i've no idea there's that difference. two young males, fractional girlfriend of ~0 value, living with parents, aspiring to business...
18:25 asciilifeform in usa they have a local historic character, gen. benedict arnold, roughly same household word for 'betrayal' as e.g. vidkun quisling in old world ( and for same reason, was a reasonably passing hero before flipped sign bit )
18:26 asciilifeform ok nao i cannot resist to ask -- what is a 'fractional girlfriend'
18:26 mircea_popescu (i suppose this isn't directly evident, but "equal partnership" bla bla "monogamous" bla bla "traditional" relationships sprung of "dating" etc are these situations where one has a fraction of a girl. maybe 1-epsilon, perhaps, but never 1.
18:26 asciilifeform hm is that what he had
18:26 mircea_popescu and obviously the situation where one's woman can't be freely sold are situations of girlie, ~0 value.
18:26 mircea_popescu it's no way to live, to my eyes, but then again.)
18:27 asciilifeform dunno that errything valuable is liquid
18:28 mircea_popescu liquid in the sense of "to an arbitrary degree" or liquid in the sense of "at all" ?
18:28 asciilifeform just about 100% of the gear asciilifeform is sitting in the middle of, from the lenses in his specs to the 400kg of elaborate space heater, prolly wouldn't fetch moar than weight in scrap iron in junkyard
18:28 asciilifeform at all.
18:28 mircea_popescu because if it's not liquid AT ALL, in the blender-can't-liquify-cookie, it's necessarily worthless, by the very definition of terms.
18:28 asciilifeform worthless other than to owner
18:29 mircea_popescu insanity is worthless other than to owner, a calc over how sin is meaningless except to the sinner.
18:29 asciilifeform is the spiffy body-fitting suit mircea_popescu is sitting in, also 'insane' ?
18:29 asciilifeform betcha flea market would pay a penny to the buck for it, vs what it cost to bake
18:29 mircea_popescu you think it can't be sold ?
18:30 asciilifeform errything can be sold.
18:30 asciilifeform q is for how much vs what bought it
18:30 mircea_popescu no, not errything.
18:30 asciilifeform damn near errything
18:30 mircea_popescu not at all. the issue with "girlfriends" as understood by idiots is that they can ~not~ be sold.
18:30 mircea_popescu and this strictly and necessarily means, worthless.
18:31 asciilifeform if it cannot be sold at all, as in you'd have to pay someone to take it, then analogous to radwaste
18:31 mircea_popescu which is my point.
18:31 asciilifeform makes sense ( tho i have nfi whether applies to orig d00d or not )
18:32 mircea_popescu to restate in these terms, "two young males, fractional '''girlfriend''' they'd have to pay to get rid of, living with parents, hoping to be one day paid by inca for the useless '''work''' they want to do" etc.
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18:32 asciilifeform i vaguely recall kako bragging that he's just about блатной , never worked a lick for inca
18:32 mircea_popescu (and yes, eminently "wife" in usg.zone is the above, whether you call it "divorce settlement" or anything else.)
18:32 asciilifeform but again have nfi what troo and what fiction
18:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you familiar with ballas' point that "independent consultants" getting inca's various programs going are exactly like company men but without dental ?
18:33 asciilifeform familiar in >1 way yes
18:33 mircea_popescu ie, no difference between fat nigglet hired by Dept of Hurr and "independent doctor of liberal profession" writing her reports ?
18:34 asciilifeform aha
18:35 mircea_popescu anyway. there's differences i'm sure, if nothing else the tag strings differ. but i fail to see any comparably important to the similarities, and so it goes.
18:35 BingoBoingo fat nigglet takes more paperwork to get rid of
18:41 mircea_popescu i suppose, upon a coupla minutes' examination, the foremost difference'd be kakobrekla character spoke another language ; dubious whether the other one did. though i guess not possible.
18:42 mircea_popescu i guess why not*, possible.
18:42 asciilifeform iirc douchebag admitted that not
18:43 asciilifeform ( 19yo kiddo with typical ameri-schooling )
18:51 BingoBoingo Also hard to discern in douchebag a desire to learn or indication he understood having other languages is a good thing
~ 23 minutes ~
19:15 mircea_popescu in other ustard web lulz : count of consumer ips first seen on http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ : 2184. count of ips last seen on http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ : 2182.
19:15 mircea_popescu how the fuck can anyone read that ~and stop there~ ? and yet, they can. they do.
19:15 mircea_popescu question i guess very similar to "how can anyone read algebra I and stop there".
19:20 mircea_popescu merely wondering "hm, i wonder wtf?!" is already ~one in a thousand~. these aren't invented numbers, this isn't a manner of speech. two in 2184.
~ 49 minutes ~
20:09 BingoBoingo Filtering the ocean for gold
~ 25 minutes ~
20:35 mircea_popescu it's a wonder anyone manages to wear pants.
20:35 mircea_popescu pretty complicated garment, if you think about it.
20:38 * trinque imagines a circus act where person-of-walmart is brought out in chains, made to attempt pants, abused by onlookers as they fail.
20:39 mircea_popescu kinda hard to put pants on in chains tho :D
20:39 trinque neck chain! loller
20:41 mircea_popescu it's actually a largely unexplored space, "what can girl do while handcuffed".
20:41 mircea_popescu just as "how do you think your life would go if you may not use furniture" and such wonders.
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
21:44 mircea_popescu trinque incidentally, you ever read http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/ ?
~ 1 hours 30 minutes ~
23:14 asciilifeform meanwhile, in old thread lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739725
23:14 a111 Logged on 2017-11-16 18:07 mircea_popescu: you can't do self-amputation.
23:15 mircea_popescu is this gabriel laddel ?
23:16 asciilifeform aha
23:16 asciilifeform the foot thread
~ 23 minutes ~
23:40 trinque mircea_popescu: not yet but certainly will digest it and respond.
23:41 trinque appears to be the culmination of many different threads, vtronic www, vtronic portage, much else.
23:55 mircea_popescu kk
23:55 mircea_popescu no rush, really.
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