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00:36 mircea_popescu !!up loper_os_cr50
00:36 deedbot loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
00:38 mircea_popescu so who might you be loper_os_cr50
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01:00 mircea_popescu https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss.
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01:01 mircea_popescu (gtk, for the disinterested, is "let's migrate the browser model to the desktop".)
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02:23 mircea_popescu !!up amstan
02:23 deedbot amstan voiced for 30 minutes.
02:26 amstan mircea_popescu: multumesc
02:26 mircea_popescu yw. what brings you here ?
02:27 amstan well, that interesting blog post
02:27 amstan from asciilifeform
02:28 amstan tought i should join this to see if you guys have any discoveries
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02:28 mircea_popescu you mean specifically on sending alphabet packing out of computing ? or more generally ?
02:29 amstan i mean i doubt it, but to be fair i don't know much about how it works, just how it's connected to the system
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08:42 asciilifeform oh hey it's the good sir 'nobody has the cr50 key'
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10:46 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/10/chasing-the-elusive-euloran-quality/ << Ossasepia - Chasing the Elusive Euloran Quality
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11:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, dude's some inconsequential politruk, see https://archive.is/MrjAB https://archive.is/AFjoC etc lulz.
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11:18 mircea_popescu if he hadn't heard of the third reich instrument of surrender he'd be going around his village singing "tomorrow belongs to me". as it is, he derps on the periphery of google. if he realised tmsr owns the world he'd be "community organizing" for you. and so on.
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11:19 mircea_popescu !!v |\n
11:19 mircea_popescu !!up |\n
11:19 deedbot |\n voiced for 30 minutes.
11:19 |\n o/
11:20 mircea_popescu |\n who are you then, cleverboi
11:20 |\n i'm just a dude
11:20 mircea_popescu yeah, i wasn't about to take you for one of the fet sluts. what brings you here ?
11:20 |\n i've seen your name on some resources i read from time to time because pals discuss it as well
11:21 mircea_popescu i c.
11:21 |\n and whatver if theres some secret stuff i might leave
11:22 |\n in particular, i've decided to visit this channel because of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433
11:22 mircea_popescu you mean like that one time we took over a bunch of electricity generators for lulz ? or what secrets.
11:22 mircea_popescu not the time chicks kept coming in to show us their tits, that's no secret, is that ?
11:23 |\n now i'd like to stay lol
11:24 mircea_popescu (refs http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ and http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ for the noobs)
11:27 mircea_popescu !!up ivan
11:27 deedbot ivan voiced for 30 minutes.
11:27 mircea_popescu did you want to share anything with the group, ivan ?
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12:05 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821714 << will do, i've had all the parts shipped at this point, but i won't be back until monday..
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12:05 a111 Logged on 2018-06-08 17:30 asciilifeform: phf: if you are able to build the usb snake -- lemme know which cr50 turd ver is in your box
12:08 mircea_popescu lol phf you should start a hiking club with mocky >D
12:17 Mocky I'll be hiking in northern virginia in two weeks, not sure how close to the swamp...
12:18 mircea_popescu o there he is. howdy
12:18 Mocky howdy
12:31 Mocky !Q later tell lobbes I just got back from uwharrie national forest, ~50km east of Charlotte. ftr, 'deep river' is misnomer, more like 'shallow creek'
12:31 lobbesbot Mocky: The operation succeeded.
12:33 mircea_popescu Mocky, would it be a good time to try out your foxybot nao ?
12:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822011 << he's the hint-dropping d00d from #rockchip
12:38 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 15:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, dude's some inconsequential politruk, see https://archive.is/MrjAB https://archive.is/AFjoC etc lulz.
12:38 asciilifeform and apparently also this
12:38 * mircea_popescu wasn't there.
12:39 asciilifeform https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-07#22286942;
12:41 asciilifeform and the 'trust yer hardware that you have' fella
12:41 asciilifeform and the 'we'll post some schems real soon nao, just wait' fella, etc
12:42 asciilifeform i had nfi that he was from ro, this is extra lulzy somehow
12:42 asciilifeform ( they have a googlarium in ro?! )
12:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1821998 << observe that, in asciilifeform's 2015--present gentoo recipe, gtk3+ is banned
12:45 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 05:00 mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss.
12:45 asciilifeform ( it pulls in dbus )
12:45 Mocky mircea_popescu, i've found an issue with stacking so suggest to wait until next version. today or tomorrow.
12:45 mircea_popescu alrighty.
12:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, alphabet essentially survives, in the perceptible rather than the byzantine imaginarium sense, out of their orclands outposts. exactly as described in http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824
12:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, re gtk+ 3, observe that the dumbass orcs in the comment section are all about "i don't see why you wouldn't '''upgrade''' your desktop to browserhood"
12:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822006 << amstan you can post those asus schems any time you feel like being useful; i will publish them. if you want to do it anon, pgp mircea_popescu or asciilifeform
12:48 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 06:28 amstan: tought i should join this to see if you guys have any discoveries
12:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i did see a microshit cubefarm in bucharest. so this makes sense.
12:49 asciilifeform even in usa hq, they make use of ample coolie labour
12:50 mircea_popescu are you kidding me, intel has a tiny thing here even.
12:50 asciilifeform in bananistan?!
12:50 mircea_popescu i thought i linked some "genius orc" kids at some point.
12:50 asciilifeform oh hm
12:51 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy because over here it's so low budget, you can directly see the underwiring.
12:51 mircea_popescu well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight.
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12:55 asciilifeform re gtkism -- asciilifeform can'twait to see how the derps react to the revelation that asciilifeform's gentoos hardban gtk3/dbus/pulseaudio/whole shebang
12:55 asciilifeform ( naturally including the one for c101pa box )
12:55 mircea_popescu there is such a thing as overwhelmed.
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13:29 asciilifeform in other lulles, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274771 << 'flagged'
13:35 asciilifeform elsewhere in heathendom, https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8pyaec/the_google_h1_fritz_chip/ << usg brigade out in force, 'this is just a tpm, cannot reflash fw' etc 'say it 3 times, it'll be true'isms
13:38 asciilifeform the hilarious bit is that the published src has 100% of the lulz out in plain daylight. incl, e.g., the bootrom-writeprotect override function in cr50, the magic pubkeys, the bit that turns wireless on during idle, etc
13:49 asciilifeform the 'of course you can't have SEKOORITY without goldenkeys!', 'prove! nsa involved!', etc derps, all awoken from under their rocks, working.
13:49 BingoBoingo Noiseholes!
13:50 asciilifeform i suspect that the whole incident will be unhappened soon enuff, added to same googleban db as trilema , phuctor, etc
13:55 asciilifeform ( their phuctor filter is esp lulzy, gives not null but specifically ancient stale pages, boeck's 'rebuttal', reddit. etc )
13:55 asciilifeform lovingly hand-crafted.
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14:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, none of the fucktards can, or ever have, or have any intention of reading source.
14:04 mircea_popescu gotta be explained "what this means to them", which is what the nigger brigade is for, from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=anil+dash to http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ to what have you.
14:04 Mocky it's eye opening for me to see how it looks from this side where asciilifeform exposes obvious stench which is met with chorus of 'nah, it smells good'. apparently 'till now I've been the local, ala: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822065
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14:04 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 16:51 mircea_popescu: well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight.
14:04 mircea_popescu Mocky, regular occurence on this side of the zone.
14:05 mircea_popescu but, amusingly enough, the conversation with the chick who thought herself a domme controls here! imagine that, you know, sex determining matters scientific, how unfair and improper and in breach of implicit promises made by the "civilisation" of tedious old women.
14:06 BingoBoingo !!up apt-get
14:06 deedbot apt-get voiced for 30 minutes.
14:06 mircea_popescu yet http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/ vs http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ strictly and exactly describes the problem. the captive aren't captive because they were captured, they're captive because that's what they fucking are.
14:07 apt-get thanks, but no need, I'm just here to lurk
14:07 mircea_popescu and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient.
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14:07 BingoBoingo apt-get: lurking for the Fritzchip or the training camp?
14:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, imagine the ambiguity we dwell in! it's not even fucking clear.
14:08 apt-get fritz, although I'm not really much of an expert when it comes to hardware stuff in any way
14:09 mircea_popescu apt-get, so why would you care, if i may ask ?
14:10 apt-get hmm, I find this stuff interesting, I guess?
14:10 apt-get stumbled upon the loper blog by luck and I found it to be a cool project
14:11 apt-get (cr50 reversal, that is)
14:11 mircea_popescu so is it rather a political investment, something in the vein of http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ , "i wish to touch the bars of my cage with mine own hands" ?
14:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822076 << no, you know, it's an algorithm :D protects the worshipful from toxicfacts and things, making google very fucking useful for no purpose whatsoever in the process.
14:15 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 17:55 asciilifeform: lovingly hand-crafted.
14:21 apt-get Well, I don't know if my political leanings would necessarily imply going to such lengths as described in that manifesto, but I am indeed supportive of any attempt to free computing from the proprietary and government boulders placing themselves between the user and the product.
14:26 mircea_popescu the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible.
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14:27 mircea_popescu if the priors are anything like a) "anyone should have access to computers" and b) "to use as they see fit", you'll be back to some kind of nsa fritz chip in very short order, especially if you're committed to equalitarian socialism (or, "democracy", to use the in-universe names)
14:36 apt-get I suppose such conditions could be theoretically enforced in a democratic system... but it would imply making the general populace to both be aware and feel threatened by these issues, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, practically speaking.
14:44 BingoBoingo !!up apt-get
14:44 deedbot apt-get voiced for 30 minutes.
14:44 mircea_popescu seems perfectly aware and very very fucking threatened to me, lol.
14:45 mircea_popescu can't apply livresque standards of awareness to the herd, they're not human in that sense. you believe cattle is aware of electified fence, even if no cow ever sat down with you and stated as much over beers and buffalo wings.
14:46 mircea_popescu same thing here, by purely behavioural standards they're as aware as could be.
14:46 mircea_popescu otherwise they wouldn't go about pretending like they believe google is in any way different from groupon, a purely imaginary, 100% paper construction.
14:52 apt-get convenience of usability will always trump freedom when it comes to these things, which is why you don't see minifree or purism making bank on their libre hardware.
14:53 mircea_popescu except the part where the convenience of doing stupid thing is just as inconvenient as anything.
14:53 asciilifeform ... or maybe because it's shit
14:53 mircea_popescu there's just about 0 convenience delivered by the tools of "convenience" and "usability".
14:54 asciilifeform 'purism', 'minifree', organs of the beast.
14:56 apt-get convenience isn't limited to the device itself, it also encompasses a large ecosystem of both social and technical incentives to enter a firm's walled garden.
14:57 apt-get and I don't believe it's possible to fight multi-billion entities when it comes to this.
14:57 apt-get :/
14:57 mircea_popescu from experience, the only incentive is purelty internal : slave belongs inside, goes inside.
14:57 mircea_popescu apt-get, tmsr is a multi-billion entity.
14:58 mircea_popescu so yes, it is not possible to fight tmsr when it comes to this. all shall crumble before it.
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15:03 mircea_popescu techcrunch.com/2017/08/11/the-minifree-libreboot-t400-is-free-as-in-freedom/ << lol the ersatzen.
15:04 mircea_popescu am i supposed to not notice the overpowering flavour of mendacity, "hey, we already did what phuctor does!!!!" story all over again ?
15:04 mircea_popescu nuts.
15:04 mircea_popescu techcrunch.com/2016/12/08/the-libreboot-c201-from-minifree-is-really-really-really-ridiculously-open-source/ :D
15:05 mircea_popescu i dunno why anyone looks to hollywood for fiction production. the usg directorate of propaganda manages some pretty hysterical comedies.
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15:31 asciilifeform i can already picture, 'why complain, cr50 100% opensores!'
15:34 mircea_popescu Се́веро-Кавка́зский край really really really ridiculously well supplied with all kind and manner of foodstuffs!
15:34 mircea_popescu even belt buckles.
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17:26 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/harold-and-maude/ << Trilema - Harold and Maude
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18:00 deedbot http://blog.esthlos.com/towards-a-computer-science-education/ << esthlos - Towards a Computer Science Education
18:04 esthlos ^^ I'm curious what folx think of the above. Reading through the logs, FFA, etc., I've realized how little I know. So I'm thinking that I'll have to devote the majority of my effort to learning the ropes wrt computing before I can pull my weight in here. Does this make sense?
18:04 mircea_popescu ima read it.
18:05 esthlos thanks
18:05 mircea_popescu languages) which << spurious )
18:06 mircea_popescu esthlos, actually, do you want comments there ? or here ?
18:06 esthlos there, please
18:12 mircea_popescu done.
18:13 mircea_popescu your comment thing ate my spaces.
18:14 esthlos hmm, will have to look into that
18:18 esthlos looks like nuking the auto-paragraph feature for posts also nuked it for comments
18:20 mircea_popescu well if you'd find it in your heart ot fix it i'd be grateful.
18:21 esthlos will do.
18:21 mircea_popescu also, nice favicon.
18:21 mircea_popescu slut looking over my shoulder was all like "oooo, shiny! i want one like that!"
18:21 esthlos thanks, geometry of color is verrry interresting (shitpedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_space)
18:24 esthlos bah that article is terrible. see http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/colortheory/web/hsv.html
18:25 mircea_popescu lol. that's ok, i heard of color before.
18:25 esthlos haha
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18:59 asciilifeform !!up loper_os_cr50
18:59 deedbot loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
19:03 esthlos mircea_popescu: replied
19:05 mircea_popescu word.
19:09 * asciilifeform lols over the various crapola mail, 'purism!', 'cured intel really!', etc
19:10 mircea_popescu w/e.
19:10 asciilifeform and if i had a bitcent for every 'use this lappy we carved from old refrigerator panels and raspberry pi..' etc
19:23 mircea_popescu the amusing part is just how repetitive it all is lol.
19:23 asciilifeform homo redditicus is lethally boring, yes.
19:32 asciilifeform esthlos: i recommend fewer pediwikia links. ( granted i suffered from same habit in early loper-os articles. but cured nao. )
19:32 asciilifeform esthlos: if you must -- link to archived copies, which at least won't change from under you.
19:34 asciilifeform esthlos: in re the b00kz -- i have okasaki, and must note, he is a mathematically interesting read, but 100% useless in actual practice, unless you use 'lazy-evaluated' prog langs
19:34 esthlos asciilifeform: makes sense wrt the wiki.
19:37 esthlos i haven't opened that one yet, good to know. have you ever checked out john alan's book? It's kinda a denser sicp, and predates it
19:38 mircea_popescu all these items from back when people read books.
19:38 asciilifeform esthlos: i have. it is for dedicated aficionados strictly ( uses deeply archaic notation, and generally concerned with deeply 'pre-modern' lisps )
19:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for archaeologists strictly.
19:39 mircea_popescu brains have sensibly flattened since hte golden age of the hardbound
19:39 esthlos are there good books on the matter which *aren't* archaeological?
19:39 asciilifeform esthlos: there ain't, and likely won't be
19:39 esthlos fun fun
19:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822031 << phf keep in mind that the resistors gotta be, iirc, accurate within 5%. hence why i used trimpots.
19:45 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 16:05 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821714 << will do, i've had all the parts shipped at this point, but i won't be back until monday..
19:46 asciilifeform ( until i got'em trimmed in, 'suzy' worked 'every other time' )
19:47 asciilifeform while we're on the subj, i find it interesting how both google and intel ( and by extension, all new mb makers ) finessed the problem of 'terrorists will epoxy usb ports closed' -- nao usg can get 'airport quickie' root through a hole that you cannot cement, because the box charges ~only~ from it
19:48 asciilifeform ( this is the case in, e.g., all new crapple boxen )
19:49 esthlos is it possible to trash the non-power pins?
19:49 asciilifeform esthlos: theoretically, under microscope
19:50 asciilifeform you can't cut ~all~ of them, however, the 'negotiation' (CC1/CC2) pins are used by the mains bricks
19:51 asciilifeform 'smart' power bricks, see.
19:52 asciilifeform the 'go and cut pins' thing will ~work for certain purposes, but in the very near term it will become entirely unproductive -- they are moving the whole orchestra into single chip. ( e.g. crapple is ~already there. )
19:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822099 << not sure i grasp this. even wintel merrily sold un-fritzed boxen for many years, until 2nd bush-II term or so.
19:59 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 18:26 mircea_popescu: the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible.
20:00 asciilifeform prolly at some point i gotta write a 'NOBUS likbez' re the fundamental motivations ( they are not difficult to discern , but apparently entirely opaque to the herd , even when you exclude the willingly blind )
20:02 asciilifeform it is probably impossible to educate the willingly thick, however, who ~actually~ see a box with NOBUS master keys as 'moar secure than with no keys'. these, will only wake up when they're sitting in kangaroo court , and confessing to 'child porn'
20:02 asciilifeform 'bbbut i left box in hotel just for 10 min, and surely google would never..'
20:04 asciilifeform and prolly they will sit in front of same judge who earlier nodded to 'tor devs would never', etc.
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20:05 asciilifeform another interesting tidbit : cr50 vendor fw will conveniently checksum the ec and ap(bootloader) fw. BUT not without goldenkey. wouldn't want terrorists testing for fw modification, see.
20:05 asciilifeform plebe wants to checksum the ec fw ? gotta solder a dozen probes under microscope.
20:06 asciilifeform and this will work until they move the whole fw orchestra into cr50. which is on the planned 'feature' list already for next rev.
20:09 asciilifeform meanwhile, in choice redditisms : 'I used to work as a security researcher - if I thought this subject was interesting I'd have to look for another source talking about the same thing because there's no way in hell it'd be acceptable to reference this level of unprofessionalism in a conference or to my superiors.'
20:09 asciilifeform didjaknow.
20:10 asciilifeform invitation to read the src -- already 'downvoted' into oblivion, unsurprisingly.
20:12 esthlos "This is the technology equivalent of an edgy 14-year-old atheist writing about religion." loller
20:16 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822087 << see also. i'd be surprised if there isn't already a boeck-style 'rebuttal' (perhaps from herr boeck himself) in the works.
20:16 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 18:07 mircea_popescu: and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient.
20:16 asciilifeform as soon as it gets shat out, the links to the earlier heathenpit threads, will reroute to it -- just like in earlier phuctor case
20:17 asciilifeform google already now returns some dna-related academitardism for 'h1', etc.
20:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822079 << this is imho the lulziest case yet on record : google is pissing in their mouths, entirely overtly, and the universal response is 'mm, tasty, lemonade'
20:18 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 18:04 Mocky: it's eye opening for me to see how it looks from this side where asciilifeform exposes obvious stench which is met with chorus of 'nah, it smells good'. apparently 'till now I've been the local, ala: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822065
20:20 asciilifeform ( and betcha when mircea_popescu wakes up, he will add 'just like my gurls' ! )
20:21 * mircea_popescu just grins
20:21 asciilifeform lol
20:23 asciilifeform while this thread is alive -- there remains the (currently, hypothetical) puzzler of what-do when we find the jailbreak. i expect, buy N boxes, and cure'em ?
20:24 asciilifeform (given as enemy will immediately patch when they get hold of the boojum, as crapple does)
20:25 asciilifeform i suppose we will revisit this when we find the magic overflow etc.
20:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, without the fritz chips, the situation is 1trn "users" whose router pwd is admin, and then m00t's horde owning time magazine's "man of the year" competition.
20:26 mircea_popescu this is the fucking problem they're trying to resolve, that without restraints, the horde re-organizes into unflat.
20:26 asciilifeform it's still 'admin', lol, just more along the vein of 'adminMAGICNSANOBUSSTRING'
20:26 mircea_popescu yup.
20:26 asciilifeform so it is only 'solution' in the sense of satisfying the 'childporn judge'.
20:26 mircea_popescu this is what they do.
20:27 mircea_popescu the empire of exam taking.
20:27 asciilifeform just like the credit card 'security' exists so banks can drop the bill for fraudulent mercedes onto the hapless card luser.
20:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-17#1301302 << see also thread.
20:28 a111 Logged on 2015-10-17 17:42 asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make then, as now, is that mri - like fingerprints - is a confession-inducer and evidence-planter apparatus, let's say 'guiltwashing', rather than necessarily a fact-finder.
20:28 asciilifeform ( orig thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-19#883658 )
20:28 a111 Logged on 2014-10-19 18:31 asciilifeform: chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump.
20:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822183 << hooker/maid that usg criminal org specifically paid to lie in court would never lie in court, best arrest foreign diplomat!!!
20:29 a111 Logged on 2018-06-11 00:04 asciilifeform: and prolly they will sit in front of same judge who earlier nodded to 'tor devs would never', etc.
20:29 mircea_popescu the list is indeed long.
20:29 asciilifeform the pretense with arrested diplomat et al stretches thin even to idjit public; thus they'll take all of the techno-help they can get, is the idea.
20:30 asciilifeform 'the confession was on his chromebook, and no one (But US, but US Would Never!11) but his own hand, could have written' etc
20:30 mircea_popescu i don't think it stretches anything. "my superiors". reich is reich is reich, it really has no need or use for thought.
20:31 asciilifeform they've created this apparatus of 'pencildicks', and it will further the oddball rituals, or how else to justify existing.
20:31 asciilifeform 'digital evidence'!
20:32 mircea_popescu honestly, i'm happy with the outcomes. swathes of 20something yo slavegirls as far as the eye can see, to take pick from.
20:32 mircea_popescu they're all someone;s daughter.
20:32 mircea_popescu !!key nikki_ff
20:32 deedbot Not registered.
20:32 asciilifeform picking from decerebrated muppets, satisfying ?
20:33 mircea_popescu hey, it's a crapshoot. if you have 1bn decerebrated muppets reproducing, you get some simona haleps. if you have 1k, you don't.
20:33 asciilifeform i suppose.
20:33 mircea_popescu numbers game of the meat best run by the numbers.
20:36 asciilifeform observe, the ~saner~ end of the heathenpit comments are along the lines of 'yes there's no escape, i sit and drink'
20:37 mircea_popescu but anyway, to put the matter of piss and gurls to (temporary) rest : Jun 09 01:57:42 <nikki_ff> yes sir i am drunk <mircea_popescu> how do you like your piss ? <nikki_ff> best its ever tasted.
20:37 asciilifeform ( speaking of which, hey Framedragger_ , how's it treating ya ? )
20:37 asciilifeform theeere we go.
20:37 mircea_popescu henceforth a new "piss on the bitch" cocktail is defined, for public consumption, as piss, vodka and a splash of fruit juice.
20:37 mircea_popescu apparently it's pretty good.
20:38 asciilifeform !#s morarji cola
20:38 a111 4 results for "morarji cola", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=morarji%20cola
20:41 mircea_popescu lol it's all you googling it and google failing
20:42 asciilifeform orig unclealism
20:42 mircea_popescu "We disdain otter piss alcoholic Coors or Budweiser swills wrested from sprouted rice" << utter!
20:42 mircea_popescu i found an almisspeal!
20:42 asciilifeform morarji, 4th primeminister of india, famously drank glass of (supposedly, own, but whoknows) piss erry day
20:43 mircea_popescu hey, nothing beats a self-administered pregnancy test.
20:45 asciilifeform https://archive.li/x3A3f << subj: >> '...his practice of drinking a glass of his own urine every day, and as veteran journalist M.V.Kamath, reporting for ToI, noted rather despairingly, the problem wasn’t just that Desai did this, but he was very eager to talk at length about it: “in a 15-minute appearance on a very popular Sunday TV show called ’60 Minutes’, Mr.Desai was seen taking practically half the time to commend urine
20:45 asciilifeform therapy.”'
20:45 mircea_popescu wait, it's a ~therapy~ ?!
20:45 asciilifeform aaaha
20:45 asciilifeform india.
20:45 mircea_popescu i thought it wass jusst perverssity
20:46 hanbot apropos of exactly nothing, where do skunks go to pray?
20:46 mircea_popescu hanbot, where ?
20:46 asciilifeform y'know, the place where they have the magical shit river you drink 'to health' from.
20:46 hanbot mircea_popescu: to the pew!
20:46 mircea_popescu ahahaha
20:46 mircea_popescu you mean the phew ?
20:46 asciilifeform 'the secret, strange hole in his dubious pew!'(tm)(r)(trilema) !
20:46 mircea_popescu like phtephen ?
20:46 hanbot lol
20:49 asciilifeform meanwhile, in moar recent preet india, https://archive.li/A1kOB
20:51 asciilifeform they're getting less and less pronouncable. tejpal s. chawla -- srsly.
20:52 asciilifeform i can only guess, that the pronounceable, brahmin folk, have run out
20:52 asciilifeform time now for the ex-latrinecleaners
20:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, afaik that ali watkins chick is a libertard stalwart. the whole thing is "how dares state challenge the politruks"
20:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ah i thought this was still about the reality winner lulz
20:52 asciilifeform same flavour, neh.
20:53 mircea_popescu it's about something or other, but broadly about the fact that the pantsuit party is very angry any sort of pushback against mother china WHATSOEVER still goes on.
20:53 asciilifeform 'red'.usg demonstratively pillorying 'blue'.usg 'activists' etc.
20:54 asciilifeform afaik chinese sit and 'wait for the corpse to float by' just like 1000yrs ago.
20:54 mircea_popescu i can't imagine the chinese actually give a shit about the withc hunts in that obscure european colony.
20:54 asciilifeform virtue of patience, corpse reliably floats by.
20:54 mircea_popescu not anymore than anyone over at alphabet gives a shit about the misadventures of amstan ; or anyone at redhat about the new hole in boeck's ass, or etc.
20:55 mircea_popescu well... in the patient's defense, the anglotards are really not all that interesting.
20:55 asciilifeform about same amt of shit as mircea_popescu gives about the fate of newly-ejected condom, aha
20:55 mircea_popescu and this, from a race that is enthralled by fruit machines.
20:55 asciilifeform wat's a fruit machine
20:56 mircea_popescu you know, those things old ladies put coins intoi
20:56 asciilifeform aa 1armedbandit
20:56 mircea_popescu right
20:57 asciilifeform i thought this was in jp
20:57 asciilifeform where folx obsess , play'em
20:57 asciilifeform or was that some local variant.
20:57 asciilifeform (phunphakt -- 'sega' was originally usa/occupation-era co. that made 1armedbandits )
20:58 asciilifeform 'nintendo'--meiji-era titan of playingcard manufacture.
20:58 mircea_popescu afaik it's all small yellow folk.
20:58 asciilifeform poor folx luuuuvvvv to pennyante gamble.
20:58 asciilifeform i don't precisely know why.
20:58 mircea_popescu i dunno, colorful ?
20:59 mircea_popescu but the point of concern for mcguffin-book writers / social media personalities / journalists / whatever else the pantsuit keep telling themselves they do, would be that the chinese can't seem to be bothered to give the slightest fuck. these are some people who find even one arm bandits fascinating.
21:00 mircea_popescu i confess it'd worry me, in their place.
21:00 asciilifeform it is not given to fish, to wonder or worry about the life of the fisherman.
21:01 asciilifeform focus of fish, is the worm.
21:01 asciilifeform delish and entirely 'phreee'
21:03 mircea_popescu you know i just re-read your article, because i was curious. wtf was "unprofessional" about it ?! i mean, yes, there's deliberately constructed anti-"professional" items, like say recently the http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-things-that-didnt-happen-today-heres-192-cracked-github-keys-some-hotties-in-tech-included-yes/ phuctor discussion.
21:04 asciilifeform i think 'professional' is tardcode for 'responsible disclosure' and general usg-fellatio
21:04 mircea_popescu but your piece don't even remotely resemble.
21:04 mircea_popescu oh, like, you weren't "modest" enough ?
21:04 asciilifeform somethinglikethat
21:05 mircea_popescu so basically he can't show "his superiors" that he reads doubleplusungood folk who don't insert a "traiasca tovarasul" sentence twice per paragraph, is the idea ?
21:05 mircea_popescu maybe he gets fired if they think he doesn't like them anymore or something ?
21:05 asciilifeform also witness the redditards, 'harping on tpm, that's SOOO rms from 1997' etc
21:06 asciilifeform i'm surprised that nobody brought up the eating of toe fungus
21:06 mircea_popescu i don't get it, so if there's been a famine going for 20 years meatballs are "soo 1997" ?
21:06 asciilifeform more or less.
21:06 mircea_popescu !!key nikki_ff
21:06 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/5D2D2AB4789EC28501080C2F790E3C0093EF2474.asc
21:06 mircea_popescu holy shit, the dumbass managed.
21:07 mircea_popescu !!rate nikki_ff 1 aspiring slavegirl ; also famous for the "piss on the bitch" cocktail.
21:07 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yl92O/?raw=true
21:08 mircea_popescu !!v 8DE2EDFE706112BD08BC21F05A0FFA66614A66F04E25101DD36F84384CCABA00
21:08 deedbot mircea_popescu rated nikki_ff 1 << aspiring slavegirl ; also famous for the "piss on the bitch" cocktail.
21:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: revisiting upstack -- i suspect that the decerebrated folx, are not aware of any such famine. google made the perfect fuffle for'em, the dildonic 'open comp' that offers 'fetish of power', go ahead and install linux etc.
21:12 asciilifeform sleeker, moar satisfying anal filler than ye olde wintel's hamfisted offering
21:12 asciilifeform 'it's open, have you looked at coreboot' -- commenter
21:14 mircea_popescu steady diet of lulzsammich, this web.
21:14 asciilifeform for the moar advanced fetishists, even lets you solder contacts and rewrite boot rom etc., 'Чем бы дитя не тешилось, лишь бы не вешалось'(tm)(r)
21:15 asciilifeform 'it's just a tpm, what's yer problem'.
21:19 asciilifeform re 'professionals', i can also picture 'you wrote it like a vuln reveal, but this is not a vuln, this is our masters getting jus primae noctis with our raw starfishes like god intended' irritation
21:20 asciilifeform 'how dare you describe god's chosen as vulgar syphilitic rapists'.
21:21 asciilifeform this is the leitmotif audible to asciilifeform , at any rate.
21:21 mircea_popescu but you don't... do that.
21:23 asciilifeform i've met these folx in the flesh, show'em e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/nobus.jpg and response is lordosis
21:23 mircea_popescu anyway. in the end, i suppose it's pretty amusing to notice that a) indifferent of form b) the reaction will be to substance c) and negative because the substance's not usg-friendly but nevertheless d) claim to be a reaction to form.
21:24 asciilifeform possibly because there is no possible counter-argument to the substance.
21:24 mircea_popescu "usg sucks" "i don't like how you used the word suck" | "usg is dumb" "i don't approve of the usage of verbs" | "the goat is dead" "i don't like the syllable count and this has nothing to do with my suspicion the goat may be a veiled reference to usg".
21:24 mircea_popescu what, and nobody's supposed to notice ?
21:24 asciilifeform starfish is getting broad daylight waltzing, no way to boeck around the fact.
21:35 asciilifeform https://archive.li/A4vO1 << various lulz in re that famous octopus.
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21:40 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque might be worth testing whether koch's latest lul affects deedbot's gpg hose
21:40 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
21:43 mircea_popescu deedbot signs ?
21:43 asciilifeform verify
21:43 asciilifeform ( see top qntra )
21:44 mircea_popescu i thought it was specifically signing.
21:44 * mircea_popescu looks
21:44 asciilifeform let's put in the l0gz :
21:44 asciilifeform 'The OpenPGP protocol allows to include the file name of the original input file into a signed or encrypted message. During decryption and verification the GPG tool can display a notice with that file name. The displayed file name is not sanitized and as such may include line feeds or other control characters. This can be used inject terminal control sequences into the out and, worse, to fake the so-called status messages. These
21:44 asciilifeform status messages are parsed by programs to get information from gpg about the validity of a signature and an other parameters. Status messages are created with the option "--status-fd N" where N is a file descriptor. Now if N is 2 the status messages and the regular diagnostic messages share the stderr output channel. By using a made up file name in the message it is possible to fake status messages.'
21:44 mircea_popescu i don't get it, it's supposed to matter when you run it from command prompt neh ?
21:44 asciilifeform ( from the horse's mouth )
21:45 asciilifeform loox like you can stuff arbitrary crapola into the filename field, and it gets term-interpreted to stderr ( where result is shat )
21:45 mircea_popescu ah so the idea is that if shell callout, you might end up with wrong response ?
21:45 mircea_popescu i thought he used his own impl.
21:45 asciilifeform correct
21:45 asciilifeform iirc errybody's gpg-using items, callout.
21:45 asciilifeform e.g. vtrons.
21:45 mircea_popescu tho in retrospect i'm not entirely sure why i thought that.
21:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, well no, eucrypt crypts.
21:46 asciilifeform right but eucrypt is not a gpg-riding proggy.
21:46 asciilifeform ( $nooseitem is not a gcrypt 0day, but gpg particular )
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22:42 lobbes http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-10#373478 << lol, I believe it. On the bright side, at least it didn't contain any brain-eating amoebas >> http://archive.is/SJSUG
22:42 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-06-10 16:16 Mocky: !Q later tell lobbes I just got back from uwharrie national forest, ~50km east of Charlotte. ftr, 'deep river' is misnomer, more like 'shallow creek'
22:45 deedbot http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ << The Whet - MP-WP: Genesis Regrind
22:48 hanbot ^ phf please to update, apologies for the hassle.
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23:36 mircea_popescu diana_coman, you selling wm ? any q really.
23:36 mircea_popescu oops.
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