#trilema | 2018-01-21

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773406 << yeah i think ima have the page style changed.

01:25

Logged on 2018-01-20 22:55 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts

01:26

01:25	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773406 << yeah i think ima have the page style changed.
01:25	a111	Logged on 2018-01-20 22:55 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts
01:26	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773416 << but make it cool.
01:26	a111	Logged on 2018-01-21 02:36 trinque: literature seems exactly the right item to define line of project history, both in the obvious and vtronic sense
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10:24	mircea_popescu	really ?
10:25	mircea_popescu	!!pay BingoBoingo 0.25
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10:25	deedbot	Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DAmcV/?raw=true
10:25	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo do a few trades with the locals to get a feeling of the place an' report ; also gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine.
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10:29	shinohai	gm mircea_popescu .... well it appears to be an Argentine, what to expect? lol
10:32	mircea_popescu	heh
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10:56	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in "going back to school" footage, http://78.media.tumblr.com/73ffe3190c6d38afe2a384cab6b1b60e/tumblr_oh67lkmHIl1rqo4hto1_400.gif
11:01	shinohai	https://twitter.com/array_boy/status/954872144365842432 <<< "You KINDA lost your money"
11:01	shinohai	LMAO
11:02	mircea_popescu	kids can't commit.
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11:51	mircea_popescu	http://thetarpit.org/posts/y01/038-the-archive.html << this is so fucking endearing.
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11:51	*	mircea_popescu just re-read it, and it's like... hello 1995! where were you all these years!
11:52	mircea_popescu	here's the sad fact of the matter : if you plot the HVF against the IVF, you will discover that the diff doesn't get above water until far far FAR three standard fucking deviations out in right field. for most humans information value is negative.
11:54	mircea_popescu	(where HVF is the human value function, ie in most cases http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-133.333-133.484 ; and IVF the information value function, ie in most cases... http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#footnote_0_57849 )
11:56	mircea_popescu	and i don't even mean ~subjective~ functions here! it's not a case that "to the exceptionally gifted as identified by ivy league, worth as he is maybe $1000 with clothes included, the subjectively perceived marginal value of information is slightly negative. no, no, no, OBJECTIVE, you can tell him whatever the fuck you will and he will not have any use for it -- i don't mean "he won't be able to find any use, above his $1k pa
11:56	mircea_popescu	ygrade", i mean there WILL NOT, period, be anything he could have fucken found.
11:59	*	asciilifeform walks this thread back in time, finds, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473632
11:59	a111	Logged on 2016-05-30 15:37 asciilifeform: but i find it hard to see how it is not obvious that 'every sewer rat can publish' is a considerable damper on culture
12:01	mircea_popescu	that's even a separate problem, naggum's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-26#532023
12:01	a111	Logged on 2014-02-26 06:23 asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'
12:02	mircea_popescu	we're not even considering the point of, "could okcupid/facebook/mit/etc scum rewrite trilema". we are considering whether "the collective of x" COULD EVEN BENEFIT from reading it.
12:03	asciilifeform	i suspect that the 'benefits from reading x' circle is never all ~that~ much larger than the corresponding 'could have written x' circle.
12:04	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/ fails to even consider or discuss this point (for sheer lack of interest at the time), BUT : for most people, square roots as the concept do not bring any sort of gain.
12:04	shinohai	A monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will surely recreate Trilema!
12:05	asciilifeform	dunno, even carpenter uses sqrt
12:05	mircea_popescu	teaching MOST girls basic numeracy is not actually a gain for the most girls in question ; the whole thing is that for the ~very fucking few~ for whom it IS a gain, it is such a thundersome gain it eclipses the "inconvenience" imposed upon the majority.
12:05	asciilifeform	but plankton -- does not, no
12:05	mircea_popescu	which is why societies that fail to teach basic numeracy to girls as a collective spring up all the time, and quite naturally : they are realising "savings" in the sense of bacteriums.
12:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and so what if "Even carpenter" ? most items that crawl out from between woman's legs can never be a carpenter.
12:06	mircea_popescu	fucking jesus was a MEDIOCRE carpenter.