#trilema | 2018-01-20

https://twitter.com/esif22/status/954561411606335489 << in other lulz.

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00:28

lul no coincidence twitter rhymes with shitter

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00:50

jam for allcomers!

00:51

meanwhile in airsnatch news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/bf3dd9134fd7578666f7cd58d18ac27c/tumblr_oinc491Nwr1ujhlmfo2_1280.jpg

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06:25

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773115 <-- /me raises hand. ohai! tuned in read-only since last seen, still have a lot to read before starting to voice opinions IMHO. also doing things, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769983

06:25

Logged on 2018-01-19 16:16 mircea_popescu: yeh where did he disappear!

06:25

Logged on 2018-01-12 19:52 mircea_popescu: that's nice. now go read the logs / do useful shit. the lols part is the worst place for kids to start immitating.

06:27

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773121 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773136 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773144 hey, thanks!

06:27

Logged on 2018-01-19 16:21 asciilifeform: hey spyked ! i like your summary of the calc ops.

06:27

Logged on 2018-01-19 16:57 asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/archive.html << pretty great stuff. he even reviews what happens to be some of asciilifeform's favourite msdos-era gamez.

06:27

Logged on 2018-01-19 17:42 shinohai: This was actually a good piece too: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html

06:32

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773162 <-- fixed; gotta do links justice!

06:32

Logged on 2018-01-19 17:56 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked "Note that this article is not meant to replace the actual thing. If you want to understand FFA properly, go read FFA. And just so that we understand each other, that DeGrasse Tyson guy is an imbecile" << no links ? what did links ever do to you!

06:33

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773176 <-- yikes! sorry phf, I fixed it (and double-checked, as I should have in the first place) --> http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/seals/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.spyked.sig

06:33

Logged on 2018-01-19 19:11 phf: his 4th sig is non plaintext by the way, i threw it in since the eater ate, but this probably should be an anti-policy

06:37

ftr, asciilifeform's ch4 seal (grabbed from http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig ) also seems to be binary (found it while double-checking my copies)

06:39

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773164 <-- it doesn't send them, but now that you mention it, I might be able to add a (manually-operated) thing that does this. otherwise, thetarpit is just a set of statically-generated pages via handcrafted lisp-based contraption

06:39

Logged on 2018-01-19 18:34 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "<?xmlversion="1.0"?><methodCall><methodName>pingback.ping</methodName><params><param><value><string>http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/

06:42

I am working on adding comments (one of the yet-untested ideas is reading only gpg-signed comments), but that's a low-priority item on todo list atm

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08:03

Oh hey spyked .... nice of you to pop in. imho you are welcome anytime.

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08:42

thanks shinohai. :D the plan is to (at the very least) periodically share items of republican interest that I'm working on (e.g. ada lisp). progress has been very slow so far, but it's picking up

08:48

I was pretty impressed with your blog for sure, I am a terrible blogger myself. I might do better if I actually had a server to set up a blog on, but future project.

08:53

What do you use to generate your pages spyked, if I may ask? I have wp-mp of course, but my host charges more to set up mysql and crap so haven't ever done that yet.

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09:28

o hai spyked

09:32

you ever hear that russell butade, "the problem with the world is that the idiots are cocksure while the smart people are full of doubt" ?

09:35

shinohai, I use a self-rolled static page generator based on Common Lisp (CL-WHO) (and Pandoc for parsing Markdown, but pandoc and markdown are both optional, of course). I have the source code published on shithub, but it's mostly hacked together, so in this sense not very different from any static site generator. https://github.com/spyked/thetarpit.org <-- coad and text

09:36

spyked phf uses a similar (handrolled, unpuiblished) item ; meanwhile lisp languishes in a sad marsh of unusability.\

09:36

Ah neat, thanks spiked! Will give a look-over

09:36

how about you genesis it ?

09:37

hi mircea_popescu. sure, I remember russell's thing. but is that really a problem? (as long as there's a republic to squash the cocksure idiots)

09:38

yes. for the lisp languishes reason above.

09:39

sure, would be happy to cut apart the useful (non-thetarpit) bits and genesis.

09:39

can go on the shelf!

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mircea_popescu was considering making a similar item too, it's a pretty good idea.

09:41

there are some dependencies on cl-who and a few other libraries, which for now are taken as they are (similarly to trb "deps")

09:42

so I'd probably sign them separately?

09:42

hey, there ~already exists~ a sort of primitive "code shelf" on s.mg site : http://minigame.biz/eulora/source/

09:42

it includes such wonders as frozen nvidia drivers (binary)

09:52

hm. "This exists because sourceforge went down for a week during July 2015, making it necessary to maintain local copies."; yeah, publishing these makes a lot of sense. I don't know if I'd find all the libraries I used for the blog if I were to look for them again.

09:54

which reminds me that there are a lot of things that I've left hanging since december, e.g. the w3m-js shinohai found that I rebased, and the ns-js library. left hanging because I haven't yet figured how to make trilema js anchors highlight in w3m-js (or any other text browser)

09:54

well so then!

09:57

as to the chat, i'd much hear your malformed oppinions than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772852 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772915 ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+orlo%22 ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=yarvin ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Yudkowsky and the rest of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767149

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Logged on 2018-01-19 01:30 asciilifeform: in other folx who apparently had gone fullbore usgtard since i last looked : lubos motl. e.g. https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/korean-backlash-to-planned-bitcoin.html .

09:57

Logged on 2018-01-19 02:14 mircea_popescu: recall at some point was some pompous asshole locklin, "scientist" ? there's no end conceivable of supply. once one swallows the "always has choice" usg pill, that one becomes this. it's inescapable.

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Logged on 2018-01-08 17:18 btcvixen: but i am female

09:57

at least with you i know it's not intentional.

09:57

That w3m-js code is hairy indeed spyked .... its on back burner because been helping test some V changes and muddling through EuCrypt.

09:59

mircea_popescu, I wanna first get a working item (js highlighting for trilema anchors) then make everything link into a static binary, then post them. as they are right now, I expect them to be unusable on many systems (e.g. musl-gentoo).

09:59

that's a plan

10:02

but yeah, ^ w3m code is weird. and besides, I don't know how text highlighting is supposed to work in a text-based browser. highlighting seems to be a terminal thing, which is weird, because both w3m and lynx/links can be compiled with mouse support! which is essential for that js snippet in trilema, because iirc it relies on onMouse* events.

10:02

highlighting in this novel sense is a mouse concept

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very different from the alt-6 mark style of kbd term

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(but it is in some areas a progress -- for instance it has no concept of lines! all http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765765 )

10:03

Logged on 2018-01-06 02:56 mircea_popescu: by title, author, paragraph and word offset.

10:04

!~ticker --market all

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jhvh1

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10:05

aha. in particular, trilema anchors are generated based on the occurence of js dom-tree elements. wait, I'm gonna find an example

10:05

no, i know, it is.

10:05

dom-tree being html's retarded version of an ast.

10:08

yeah. ideally, I would like to be able to look at the link and figure out to which text snippet it refers manually. or at least have a way to compute without parsing html. hm.

10:11

(what I'm trying to do is separate the browser/linking text snippets part from the need to embed an entire js interpreter in there.)

10:12

myeah.

10:19

in theory, the browser itself could do the highlighting. but this breaks the URL scheme by introducing a magic "#selection-x.y-z.w" class of anchors.

10:24

you will need a scripting lang to do scripty things howsoever you turn it

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10:43

spyked re pingback thing, doesn't even have to be that hand-generated ; just walk the db, extract all links, construct the calls as shown and make curl calls. can be a bash script.

10:45

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773258 << i dun think this is such hot stuff ; i personally wouldn't bother to sign just to leave a comment. but if you care, here's an alternative : make a bot, have comments be sent to it via command. iirc danielpbarron had something somewhat in this vein, dun recall how automated tho

10:45

Logged on 2018-01-20 11:42 spyked: I am working on adding comments (one of the yet-untested ideas is reading only gpg-signed comments), but that's a low-priority item on todo list atm

10:50

calls should go only to WP links though, right? I don't remember how Wordpress did it (did it look for /xmlrpc.php ?). though I suppose it should work either way (non-WP links would 404 and that's that)

10:51

the commentbot idea sounds pretty neat

10:52

so if they go to non-wp links what happens.

10:52

99% of all the stuff in anyone's www log is crap anyway ; going up to 100% in the case of facebook world.

10:53

this is not even a fair statement : if you notice such a call in your log fail, it is YOUR item that is broken. the assumption that you're pingbackable is in fact ~The Right Thing~.

10:53

two way web, bitches!

10:53

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773255 << fixed. and ftr, pill :

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Logged on 2018-01-20 11:37 spyked: ftr, asciilifeform's ch4 seal (grabbed from http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig ) also seems to be binary (found it while double-checking my copies)

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10:53

^ for anybody else who stepped on same koch mine

10:54

^ unlike 'just sign again', this will fix OTHER people's sig

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and ohai spyked

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http://archive.is/68Hwn <<< moar Chinese "smartphone" rekt

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^ eggog

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gah didnt archive

11:00

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3250045/android/oneplus-5t-credit-card-info-stolen.html

11:11

In other news, signing contracts Monday in the afternoon. This weekendś adventure setting up a MUSL webserver for Qntra.

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\o/ Nice work BingoBoingo

11:19

BingoBoingo did you settle on what you'll use to offer vps ?

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Not yet

11:20

aite.

11:21

Going to need to get a beefier box here, likely going to be a beefy opteron fueled supermicro box

11:22

a bunch actually.

11:22

yeah

11:24

But is very nice to have a day where the task does not involve trying to recieve sane outputs from the locals

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:p

11:27

Now your task involves getting sane output from a computer.

11:27

exactly.

11:27

At least that's less repetitive

11:30

Too bad 'OR 1=1/* doesn't work on them.

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11:50

hi asciilifeform. applied your pill on my tree, can confirm it did the job

11:51

spyked: result should be bitwise-equal to what is now on my www.

11:53

it is (the payload, sans armor and version string)

11:55

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773311 <-- pingback -- yes. XML-RPC -- dunno; I am not running php, so having a file called xmlrpc.php in my tree seems a bit odd; although I guess this is particular to wordpress, not to XML-RPC

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Logged on 2018-01-20 15:53 mircea_popescu: this is not even a fair statement : if you notice such a call in your log fail, it is YOUR item that is broken. the assumption that you're pingbackable is in fact ~The Right Thing~.

11:56

that is tru.

11:56

note however the format is flexible, there's a tag to announce rpc endpoint, and you can put there whatever you want.

11:57

doesn't have to be .php

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spyked is reading the spec ( http://archive.is/FQ7P ); until now, lived with the wrong idea that pingbacks are a wp-dependent thing. but hey, it looks pretty clear!

12:09

only thorn is the xml baked in, but w/e.

12:12

i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.

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12:12

Logged on 2018-01-20 14:39 mircea_popescu was considering making a similar item too, it's a pretty good idea.

12:12

http://archive.is/5mr7c <<< In printolade news "Tether printed MORE USD than US government in 2018"

12:12

2. if i upload items, i'd very much like to use the already extant uploader ; but that thing puts everything in year/month directories. tho i think this is actually a good thing, tell people "do not link item directly, link the code shelf itself".

12:13

the problem is that this intuition would seem imply that there are actually TWO kinds of links, ie first class and second class, and this is what ineptitudes like http code 30x are trying to implement

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asciilifeform has never used the wp uploaders, or given wp write-access to any unixdir

12:13

"do not use 2nd class link as 1st class link".

12:14

asciilifeform yes, and alf has also never uploaded ten thousand images. which need to be autoscaled in multiple sizes and so on.

12:14

autoscaled?!

12:14

yes.

12:15

why would you do this on the www box end

12:15

http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/dawn-1-560x373.jpg << consider.

12:15

asciilifeform why not ?

12:16

wtf is the remote box even for, if not to do the shit i don't need supervised.

12:18

i wouldn't even have conceived of doing image munging with a php proggy. masochism.

12:18

( what happens if bitflip and image is malformed ? )

12:18

i... notice

12:18

lol eventually sure

12:19

um. it's either visible or it isn't neh.

12:21

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773313 << i wrote a little checker for eater, and the other one binary is asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch.asciilifeform

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Logged on 2018-01-20 15:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773255 << fixed. and ftr, pill :

12:22

nice of you.

12:22

oh hah.

12:22

the 'binary signature' thing is astonishingly idiotic kochism.

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(consider, it is the default. why??)

12:23

also one of polarbeard's, but that one has to be reground anyway

12:23

incidentally mod6's v ( and mine also iirc ) eat'em without noticing

12:23

and probably anybody else's that verifies with gpg callout

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gpgme doesn't tell you if original was armored, so requires a separate check (in before gpgme is evil), it does tell you everything about untrusted keys and source and such

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <- I think pages should take pingbacks! and tbh I never really understood why are "pages" so special; the way I see it, "pages" are just posts outside of the time-flow, "sticky" posts basically

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Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.

12:47

diana_coman just about

12:47

ftr I'm still on wp purely because there has always been something else topping the pile; I just about switched to statically generated pages too but I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in

12:48

im not gonna. how do you do comments, comment counts, headers etc.

12:49

every updatre to a footer (eg, the select script) has to take a bash script ? meh.

12:49

hence the end of the line there: "I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in"

12:49

myea

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13:39

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT9ncn0WAAAjviQ.jpg

13:40

in unrelated i managed to produce a literate programming dvi out of diff's source code from first principles. the actual content is not really a literate programing, since it was mechanically produced, and it doesn't yet compile since cat of headers and source produce a bunch of duplicate definitions, but first step.

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dvi>ps i had to use a full tex install, because i haven't found a non-modern dvips implementation yet.

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works out to about 170 pages of very nicely typeset source code. this is actually first time i'm working with printed source code proper (unlike ascii i prefer to work on-screen) and it's quite a joy

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by the way, knuth's CWEB nicely solves the whole auto-wrapped comment issue. the TeX part doesn't mandate newlines, and obviously does it's own formatting, but the C part is also very aggressively formatted by the CWEB code. specifically /* comments */ are treated as TeX source, and get re-wrapped according to TeX rules.

13:48

phf: consider posting ?

13:49

it's considered, i'm just thinking from which side to start unraveling this spitoon

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also the whole exercise only becomes worthwhile if i can also produce reasonable html out of the cweb source, since there's general allergy here to pdf/ps

13:51

eh my printer eats ps, pdf.

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ideal, in fact, for reading.

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i fucking hate printer-generated pagebreaks.

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14:32

" British 15-year-old gained access to intelligence operations in Afghanistan and Iran by pretending to be head of CIA, court hears"

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/19/british-15-year-old-gained-access-intelligence-operations-afghanistan/

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phf salutes

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TOP KEK

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not arrested : the emplaced-seekritz-in-aol-acct idjit reptile

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nor the war criminals whose seekritz they were. etc

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17:14

!!up l0de

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deedbot

l0de voiced for 30 minutes.

17:14

!!up webbyz

17:14

deedbot

webbyz voiced for 30 minutes.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts

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Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.

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18:16

deedbot

http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/20/urbanism-feminises-judaism-desexualises-or-the-waxing-fashionability-of-being-penetrated/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Urbanism feminises, Judaism desexualises. Or the waxing fashionability of being penetrated.

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18:36

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771712 << at the risk of thread necromancy ( item was candidate for ch8, so i gotta ) this is false. FZ_Mod_Mul as seen in ch7 IS bufferized, because ch7's FZ_Mod is.

18:36

Logged on 2018-01-17 15:32 apeloyee: FZ_Mod_Mul also

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i.e. Product is only written to as result of the FZ_Mod call , http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L148 , which in turn , inside FZ_Mod, is a clean 1-shot, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L102 . QED.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773147 << I've got several cleanup patches coming before the walletsnip. anybody have a serious objection to me introducing a changelog in the first?

21:34

Logged on 2018-01-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: incidentally, there's an evident join here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772670 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759127 are evidently the same item. have a comment format for it and bam, project philosophy file with press history.

21:35

sorry, several *trb* patches

21:35

trinque: is there a changelog-eating vtron somewhere ?

21:36

literature seems exactly the right item to define line of project history, both in the obvious and vtronic sense

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