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00:24 mod6 crv x.
00:36 BingoBoingo !!up Vadim11
00:36 deedbot Vadim11 voiced for 30 minutes.
00:36 BingoBoingo !!up shpx
00:36 deedbot shpx voiced for 30 minutes.
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01:28 BingoBoingo In other news, Austria's next prime minister to be Sebastian Kurz, shitlord party. Make lulz great again.
~ 49 minutes ~
02:17 mircea_popescu teh hungarians win huh.
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08:42 phf romania zero muslim! what is this!
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08:58 asciilifeform 0 to naked eye at any rate
08:58 asciilifeform and not whole ro but timis
08:58 asciilifeform i did not tour whole ro, lol
08:58 * asciilifeform brb
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09:30 davout in other wtf https://developer.mastercard.com/product/mastercard-blockchain
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~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~
10:37 shinohai Hilarious davout
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11:26 * mod6 waves
11:30 lobbes "The Person-to-Person global market opportunity is $16 Trillion. Take advantage of the Mastercard Settlement Network to transfer funds between banks." << All these banks drinking the "Blockchain is the next The Cloud" scamolade. Can't tell if driven solely by the marketing-idiocy-cycle or if there is also some deliberate subversion greasing the wheels.
11:30 lobbes Probably the latter
11:32 lobbes Either way, a wonderful bundle of wtf davout
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12:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728058 << this is a poly-nomnomial extrapolation (tm) brought to you by alf's tiny samples foundation.
12:31 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 12:42 phf: romania zero muslim! what is this!
12:31 mircea_popescu they're the largest gerbil employer in teh world!
12:32 mircea_popescu An error occurred during a connection to developer.mastercard.com. Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). << aww, check out all the offline noninternet websites! do they do things and utilities ?
12:34 asciilifeform lol!
12:34 mircea_popescu lobbes there's some very deliberate "we in communism also have coca-cola". because there's no way i'll take them in without their crossing under the yoke, and they dun wanna cross under the yoke (chiefly because they broadly understand that there being no further substance to them, they'll dissolve into nothingness, which is obviously true and also why i won't budge).
12:34 * asciilifeform just came out of ‘museum of communist consumer’
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12:34 mircea_popescu so we're stuck, me dealing with individuals only, they dealing with names only. until this is resolved, ie, probably by force of arms, the lulz will continue.
12:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a nice huh.
12:34 asciilifeform aha!
12:35 * mircea_popescu just woke up, yelled out "pizdo! hai sa sugi pula!" but nobody came. got up, perambulated about, discovered is all alone.
12:35 mircea_popescu THIS IS WHAT BEING OLD IS LIKE
12:35 asciilifeform and then ate again phood i had nfi was even possible, for less than cost of a.. eh, i’ll skip it nao, saving for blogps0t
12:36 asciilifeform oh incidentally mission, at least preliminarily, accomplished
12:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i used your algo!!
12:36 mircea_popescu doh.
12:36 mircea_popescu i am broadly surprised using my algos does anything!!11!!1!1!
12:37 asciilifeform it’s like philosopher stone
12:38 * asciilifeform is in a place with proper european ceilings and walls and floors, feels unspeakably nostalgic
12:38 * asciilifeform brb
12:40 mircea_popescu he's so amusing lol, "and now... I CAN EAT ONCE MOAR!!11"
12:43 BingoBoingo LOL
12:45 * BingoBoingo thinks trinque and alf would make excellent travel team. Alf: "This not-US is AWESOME" trinque: "BUT TEXAS!"
12:45 mircea_popescu i can see it!
12:45 mircea_popescu maybe they retire jointly, alf on boat trinque on airplane.
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12:46 BingoBoingo I thought davout lived on airplane?
12:47 mircea_popescu iirc davout lives on island ; tiny enough if you piss while running you can run around it.
12:47 mod6 heheh
12:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728075 << http://daimon.me/blog/2017/04/orientul-cel-nu-foarte-indepartat/ item, for teh curious.
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12:51 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 16:34 asciilifeform just came out of ‘museum of communist consumer’
12:54 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/24/the-data-driven-racer/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The data-driven racer.
13:03 BingoBoingo And today I wake up to a bunch of emails from different contacts in HK all telling me that for the necessary international connectivity... They need new peering links.
13:15 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
13:15 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5719.13, vol: 17484.08044233 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5699.9, vol: 69320.26482973 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5728.7, vol: 5755.35153166 | Volume-weighted last average: 5705.32323504
13:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what were you asking them for ?
13:27 BingoBoingo 20 Gbps, with the caveat of "excellent international connectivity". Provided context of high traffic websites with global audience.
13:27 BingoBoingo That rider on the ask came after the Vietnam inquiries.
13:28 mircea_popescu there's an ambiguity here, gotta distinguish between installed capacity and sustained consumption.
13:28 * davout actually left tiny mauritian island last sunday, in the process of moving to a much larger, less civilised, island
13:29 davout for the purpose of ending up living on airplane :D
13:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728097 << oddly, this was a very different museum. but similar idea, tho i suspect it was made by seekrit communist, was full of abstract algebra textbooks, numbertheory, Kvant, catpic embroideries, nostalgic
13:31 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 16:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728075 << http://daimon.me/blog/2017/04/orientul-cel-nu-foarte-indepartat/ item, for teh curious.
13:31 asciilifeform also bar
13:31 * asciilifeform will post picz laters
13:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The getting them to distinguish is a difficulty as well. Apparently the Mandarin/English language duo is not conducive to Brain finesse as per 2014-ish discussion in pidgins. The Veit Congs were more effective communicators.
13:34 BingoBoingo Of course it could also be a gambit to get the gringo to offer to invest in some undersea cable.
13:35 BingoBoingo Then again the HKIX system is set up to minimize traffic sent through United States in transit
13:36 BingoBoingo Would be a great place to be a Netflix.
13:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728063 >> 'By providing a permissioned platform to our network of developers and partners, our Blockchain platform delivers...'
13:39 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 13:30 davout: in other wtf https://developer.mastercard.com/product/mastercard-blockchain
13:39 asciilifeform 'The cost of fraudulent goods is worth $1.4 Trillion globally. Leverage the Mastercard Blockchain and Authorization Network to easily track high value pharmaceuticals, art, luxury goods as they are created, transferred, purchased and re-sold' << lol!,
13:40 asciilifeform !#s color bits
13:40 a111 22 results for "color bits", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=color%20bits
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14:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728093 << interestingly in comparison with being surrounded by nonloathesome people on nonloathesome streets in nonloathesome house for nonloathesome price etc being in moving iron box dun seem appealing nomoar
14:03 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 16:45 mircea_popescu: maybe they retire jointly, alf on boat trinque on airplane.
14:03 asciilifeform but i'd take the box over usa.
14:12 mircea_popescu davout not madagascar ?
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14:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i very much doubt there can be two items called "museum of communist consumer" under a bar called lejer in the tiny temeswar.
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14:14 mircea_popescu and lulz at mastercard, pretending as if they've not just one, but a whole fucking NETWORK of developers.
14:14 mircea_popescu whole of usg has like a developer and a half to carry the whole load of endless "agencies", mastercard sees five minutes of developer every full moon.
14:16 mircea_popescu but anyway -- obviously now that bitcoin is here there will be no further "owner can't sell http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727511 because nato doesn't agree with ownership chain" bs.
14:16 a111 Logged on 2017-10-21 23:26 mircea_popescu: and here's some lulz for asciilifeform's private "art ownerhsip" collection : femme nue couchee, a courbet knockoff of the maja desnuda goya painting was looted in 45 by the soviets, who displayed it in the manner of truckers, which is to say on a truck tarpaulin. the item was thought lost, but it surfaced in 2000. the owner (possession is 100% of the law!) was accused of being unfit for ownership, as he happened to be slovak
14:16 mircea_popescu let it be stated i'll buy "stolen" art at any time ; possession is 100% of the law.
14:18 shinohai If davout goes to Madagascar, please troll the locals by walking about in a plague doctor mask.
14:18 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbvWyrhuDtA
14:19 mircea_popescu (tl;dr french speaking hooker hitting on attached males in public, french spoken ho drama ensues)
14:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728126 << possibly it was in the cellar , which looked dark and offline and i did not go to
14:19 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 18:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much doubt there can be two items called "museum of communist consumer" under a bar called lejer in the tiny temeswar.
14:19 mircea_popescu ah
14:20 mircea_popescu decent collection of vinyls down there.
14:20 asciilifeform and incidentally i notice mircea_popescu has taken to ye olde austrohungarian name for t
14:21 asciilifeform in german airport, notably, still current ( or was, last time asciilifeform went )
14:21 mircea_popescu would you rather have demeswar ?
14:21 asciilifeform i've noprob with the ro
14:22 asciilifeform even reprogrammed kbd for trooo rotaku orcglyfology
14:22 asciilifeform for srchs etc
14:23 mircea_popescu o ya ? say something
14:23 asciilifeform šșț!111
14:24 * asciilifeform still prefers alphabets without orcological detritus glued on
14:25 mircea_popescu say îțâșă lol
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14:25 asciilifeform hey ya didnt say 'saya word', but 'say something' lel
14:25 mircea_popescu (this is a synthetic romanian word, uses each of the special letters exactly once. it didn't exist naturally, but it SOUNDS like it'd be a thing, like "chioara" (one eyed female) or such ; so was defined by contest cca 2008)
14:26 asciilifeform neato
14:26 asciilifeform incidentally i was in the art gallery and lolled over the old pre-dekirrilization icons
14:27 mircea_popescu actually it is a fine example for linguistics, because, get this, native speaker presented with it would generally GUESS, based on PURE PHONETICS, that it has something to do with "being in the way" or "standing up inconveniently" or somesuch,.
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14:27 mircea_popescu there is such a thing as a phonetic meaning encoding, this item proves.
14:27 asciilifeform chomsky (?) had a piece aboht this
14:27 asciilifeform 'bobo and kiki'
14:27 mircea_popescu aha. but he didn't have the good example.
14:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plox disasm îțâșă for us poor n00brotakus
14:32 asciilifeform ( upstack, in art gallery, was 'pay extra buck, take photos', so on a lark asciilifeform to pet 'ok pay a buck' . result - in every hall different old broad hisses when sees camera, but wave the ordinary scrap of paper with 'foto' scribbled , and they disperse. i imagine locals are wise to this, bring own scrap of paper when they feel like photoing in gallery... )
14:34 BingoBoingo !~later tell trinque pls to process deedbot withdrawls 4 maek gr8 ISP
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14:34 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
14:36 shinohai Isn't trinque afk until tomorrow night ?
14:36 shinohai or something liek that
14:44 BingoBoingo AH, I forget
14:45 asciilifeform in other surprises, kidz book shop had volkov ( su d00d who made cult classic 'fanfic' of 'wizard of oz' series ) in ro trans
14:46 asciilifeform brain-melting, i expected 'we loathe all things su' to definitely extend to such a thing, but go figure.
14:47 asciilifeform ( vol1 of subj was 1st deadtree asciilifeform has conscious memory of reading )
14:47 asciilifeform or 1 of, anyway
14:49 diana_coman asciilifeform, neah, next you'll be surprised to see nosov's books or what?
14:50 asciilifeform nah mircea_popescu clued me in re those yrs ago
14:52 asciilifeform assumed he was the 1 speshulexception lol
14:53 diana_coman if you are very curious you might also want to check the publisher: iirc many are in fact published in Chisinau (Moldova) and sold in Ro because cheap compared to local; iirc I saw quite a few books following this route and reflecting it, as it were
14:53 asciilifeform no nosov in the shop btw, subj was among pile of transld-from-engl harryfucker liquishit
14:54 asciilifeform hm interesing, will note.
14:54 diana_coman asciilifeform, eh, no; and fwiw esp re children's books, Russian illustrators were tops
14:55 asciilifeform troo!
14:55 asciilifeform afaik unequaled
14:56 diana_coman I'd subscribe to that, yes; I don't claim I'm an expert though
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15:33 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728125 <<< nope, uk
15:33 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 18:12 mircea_popescu: davout not madagascar ?
15:33 asciilifeform ew
15:33 asciilifeform why wouldja do that, davout
15:34 davout they have an aeronautic school in oxford i want to attend
15:36 davout becoming a professional airline pilot is on the list, and if I don't do it now I'll soon be too old
15:42 asciilifeform ah hm somehow i thought that davout already flew people for moneys
15:45 davout i'm just a private pilot, when i fly people for money, i'm the one paying
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16:05 BingoBoingo And in research at the fiat/Bitcoin interface it appears there is a Brazilian single person limited liability corporation, the Empresa Individual de Responsabilidade Limitada (EIRELI)
16:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what;s to disasm ? just a succession of letters.
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16:18 mircea_popescu and no, ro hates all things russian in the sense of politically. otherwise romanian view is all other things were written by alt-romanians in bad romanian.
16:19 mircea_popescu translation more a work of "this very talented youngster can't grammar properly, but here's a normal transcription" than anything.
16:19 mircea_popescu stalin may well be russian, or whatever, georgiussian. but puskin much like petofi very much romanian.
16:20 mircea_popescu of course this is never actually ~said~ as such, but i suspect for the same reason priest omits to specify manner and size of wife beating implement.
16:30 ben_vulpes and in other trigger warnings http://katu.com/news/local/portland-bars-getting-certified-as-safe-spaces-against-sexual-violence-and-racism
16:31 ben_vulpes i know, let's train them out of agency
16:31 ben_vulpes enshrine even restaurant staff as local delegates of the inca
16:32 ben_vulpes it's assault when creepazons do it, and otherwise it's the normal mating dance. most dudes are creepazons, so to regurgitate a popescuism, "unless the bar is 80% girls and the few guys were invited explicitly", american bars will continue to be full of creepy low value male meat.
16:33 mircea_popescu heh\
16:35 ben_vulpes also this one is too riddled with lulz, just read it http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.html
16:35 ben_vulpes !!up mircea_popescu
16:35 deedbot mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
16:35 mircea_popescu why ty.
16:35 ben_vulpes ofc ofc
16:36 mircea_popescu the whole fucking point is to get the generation without ( http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ ) look better by comparison.
16:36 mircea_popescu "oh, wanna-be mps over at ycombinator can't compete with mp though they really really want to ? I KNOW!!! we'll make all the bars suck and then suddenly the shit-ass parties ycombinator throws won't look quite as shitty anymore!!1"
16:37 mircea_popescu by the book "we are poor and hopeless but communism rules!!!!" argentinianism.
16:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728188 << re >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728153 , but indun expect it can be explained-compactly, no.
16:37 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 20:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;s to disasm ? just a succession of letters.
16:37 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 18:27 mircea_popescu: actually it is a fine example for linguistics, because, get this, native speaker presented with it would generally GUESS, based on PURE PHONETICS, that it has something to do with "being in the way" or "standing up inconveniently" or somesuch,.
16:38 asciilifeform * i dun expect
16:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have no idea what the heuristcs actually are ; self-reported they vary.
16:38 asciilifeform yea dark magic.
16:38 mircea_popescu this'd require a large study and the largeness will implicitly make it fail through publicity.
16:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but in bonus lulz : hanbot, who is not a native speaker, confronted earlier with it guessed it's some sort of spoke or knob like off a door.
16:39 asciilifeform i still gotta attempt it...
16:39 mircea_popescu i expect there can be peri-linguistic tests of language mastery consisting entirely of synthetic constructions.
16:41 asciilifeform lessee, : îțâșă ~= 'ицыша' ?
16:42 mircea_popescu well... just about. /ɨtsɨʃə/
16:43 asciilifeform asciilifeform read it as-so upstack. and pictured some sort of old crone, in a tram, for some reason
16:43 asciilifeform with walking stick
16:44 asciilifeform failing that, a hernia
16:44 mircea_popescu there;s usually no ɨ explicitly in russian, but if you contrast say твёрдый and мягкий it's evident
16:44 mircea_popescu the first takes ɨ not i.
16:45 asciilifeform vowels dun takr ь/ъ tho
16:45 asciilifeform *take
16:45 mircea_popescu i just meant in the pronounciation of the two words.
16:45 asciilifeform aa
16:45 asciilifeform hmm
16:45 mircea_popescu ый = ɨj not ij
16:46 asciilifeform aaaaa
16:46 mircea_popescu ie, close central unrounded not close front unrounded.
16:46 asciilifeform ok
16:46 mircea_popescu tho generally the russian "academics" or w/e pretend there's no close central.
16:46 * asciilifeform reloads the needed chinanual into his head, it computes
16:47 asciilifeform lol there is too close center, india iirc
16:48 mircea_popescu :p
16:48 asciilifeform is this pair actually phonemic in ro tho
16:48 mircea_popescu absolutely.
16:48 asciilifeform ( can haz minimal pair that hinges on it ? )
16:49 mircea_popescu it's one of the major vocalic axes in romanian.
16:49 asciilifeform i.e. 2 diff wrds that differ only there
16:49 asciilifeform other than the pluralization thing
16:50 mircea_popescu i^i ( ɨi ), short form of to be present indicative ; i-i (ii), article-pronoun manuple.
16:50 asciilifeform ( which counts, sure, but i was looking for a serious boobytrap where unwary noob bites the wax tadpole )
16:51 asciilifeform hm theere it was. asciilifeform had nfi how to pronounce i-i
16:51 mircea_popescu language is full of it, it's like a fundamental mechanism of romanian. ii da / ɨi də/ (he gives [it] to him) vs dai-i /dəii/ (give them to him)
16:51 asciilifeform i was doing ii as if in finnish
16:51 mircea_popescu 100% chances of native speaking not having any fucking clue what you're saying
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16:52 asciilifeform provenexperimentally!
16:52 mircea_popescu will skip from the first syllable of first involved word as far as possibly the first sentence stop.
16:53 asciilifeform prolly only cure is actually snarfing in a few kilometres of ro voice track.
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16:53 asciilifeform as i did with eng
16:53 asciilifeform then hindbrain will do the wurk
16:54 asciilifeform tough life, of rotaku, where does one get... ronime ?!
16:56 mircea_popescu blowing this distinction is a major general failure in romanian.
16:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform robotzii!!11
16:56 asciilifeform that's master class tho
16:57 mircea_popescu in languages as well as fucking, there's no disadvantage in starting directly with the master class.
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16:57 mircea_popescu unlike flying say
16:57 diana_coman asciilifeform, maybe search for "fonoteca" from some radio at least if not otherwise?
16:57 mircea_popescu o yeah. collected works of florian pittis.
16:57 asciilifeform yea
16:58 asciilifeform i also supposed that ro '80s may have included same style of spiffy kidz' records as su, and to hunt for'em
16:58 diana_coman actually since you are in Ro, you can look at bookshops for cds/dvds on the topic ; iirc there were quite a few at some point
16:59 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SFHmiV8Bg < there.
16:59 asciilifeform yea already went hunting, so far turning up loathesome anglisms tho
16:59 asciilifeform oh neato ty mircea_popescu
17:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what you want is an "anticariat", buy old "electrecord" vinyls. he did a series of kids stories, excellent.
17:02 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFO2F37cvB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9l3NVrgSA << moar in teh same vein.
17:03 * asciilifeform adds to conveyor, snarfs for eating on airplane
17:03 diana_coman hm, asciilifeform maybe editura casa radio, "fonoteca de aur" such as http://www.edituracasaradio.ro/prod.htm?grp=3&cat=18&prod=925
17:04 diana_coman ahahaha,lordul john!
17:04 mircea_popescu diana_coman if he finds the old greuceanu etc series for a buck a piece and buys a few buckets he'll have perfectly legitimate us house's worth of collectibles.
17:05 asciilifeform is there actually an antiquariat in timis? i sniffed around, found only old furniture peddlers
17:05 asciilifeform was specifically hunting for old regime kidzbookz etc
17:05 diana_coman mircea_popescu, heh, the old vinyls from my childhood are still in a certain attic in ploiesti...
17:05 mircea_popescu vinyls prolly better.
17:05 asciilifeform verily
17:05 mircea_popescu but otherwise sure, what that great k. ushinsky "povestind copiilor" etc
17:06 mircea_popescu diana_coman probably same here, but hey.
17:07 diana_coman hmmm, asciilifeform I bought for my kid a set of cds, again radio romania old transmissions, "noapte buna, copii" ; tbh though those are 5-10 minutes sort of things and at times (now) I find them a tad annoying
17:07 mircea_popescu "in lumea plina de urmari, eu sunt un om pe niste scari. in sus ce e ? in jos, nimic. in jos ce e ? in sus... nimic. vorbesc cu ceilalti care-au fost, si-n sus si-n jos si nu-i dezic. eu insumi spun de locurile pe unde-am fost : nu e nimic."
17:07 diana_coman they are again recordings from 1961-1971
17:08 diana_coman mircea_popescu, yes!
17:08 asciilifeform lol, diana_coman was this a ro version of 'спокойной ночи, малыши' megahit?!
17:08 diana_coman asciilifeform, I guess so
17:08 asciilifeform or just convergent evolution of title.
17:09 diana_coman they are though stories by ro authors, including cosbuc, creanga, delavrancea
17:09 mircea_popescu nah, ro consisted of theft. you should see the inane lyrics they stuffed on ~most everything making the pop charts in the 70s.
17:09 diana_coman so it might be more copying the title
17:10 diana_coman this batch of cds I have here are bought in 2015, casa radio again; recordings from 1961-1971, readers Silvia Chicos, Octavian Cotescu, Dumitru Furdui, Dinu Ianculescu, Elena Pop, Turodel Popa
17:10 mircea_popescu o right, silvia chicos did a bunch of them.
17:10 mircea_popescu amusingly, i recall all of these.
17:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ogden nash neh
17:11 mircea_popescu turodel = tudorel, but w/e :D
17:11 asciilifeform or who was it, 'man who wasnt there'
17:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform somethinglikethat i guess.
17:11 asciilifeform we had this too, for 20yrs i thought that my nursery rhymes were su original, then found the english.
17:11 diana_coman aha; authors include mihai jemaneanu, octav pancu-iasi, vladimir colin, vasile manuceanu, tudor arghezi, emil garleanu, stefanescu delavrancea, ion creanga, veronica micle, george cosbuc
17:11 asciilifeform hickeryfuckigdickerydock
17:11 mircea_popescu closed borders are a mixed blessing. all the shit has to be "translated", etc.
17:12 diana_coman mircea_popescu,lol! tudorel indeed
17:12 mircea_popescu the important point about romanian kids stories is that they're not even bleak, they're penned by fucking chulhu. they regularily make adult anglo girls cry for the rest of the night.
17:12 asciilifeform aha, marshak, same d00d who translated shakespeare, translated most of the subj
17:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ooh can haz sample plox
17:13 mircea_popescu the original hc andersen matchbook girl being among the few foreign items marginally qualified to pariticpate.
17:13 asciilifeform i recall fefeleaga but that was not kidz tale neh
17:13 mircea_popescu !~google puiul de ioan alexandru bratescu voinesti
17:13 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Puiul | e-povesti.ro: <http://e-povesti.ro/povesti/puiul/>; Puiul de Ioan Alexandru Bratescu Voinesti - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DqYYbqhwpQMk>; PUIUL de Ion Alexandru Bratescu Voinesti - povesti Copilasul.com ...: <http://www.copilasul.com/povesti-povestiri/PUIUL-de-Ion-Alexandru-Bratescu-Voinesti-BM-COM.php>
17:13 diana_coman asciilifeform, tinerete fara batranete si viata fara de moarte
17:14 mircea_popescu ^ item was in first year of writing. mandatory week spent by 9yos trying to write it out without staining thje paper.
17:14 asciilifeform nifty !
17:14 mircea_popescu !~google "de ce ma stringi in pumnul tau"
17:14 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Gândăcelul - Poezii Romanesti: <http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/gandacelul.php>; ''Gândăcelul'' - Elena Farago. Voce: Dana Maria - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoaY5DGlukII>; Gândăcelul - poezie de Elena Farago - Povesti pentru copii: <http://www.povesti-pentru-copii.com/poezii-pentru-copii/elena-farago/gandacelul.html>
17:14 mircea_popescu oh and of course... you ever read "fram, ursul polar" ?
17:15 mircea_popescu ppl think oh noes, huxley wrote up the alienation of the final stages of socialist decay ? hurr. try cezar petrescu.
17:16 asciilifeform woah, that one with beetle is powerful juju
17:16 asciilifeform i had similar but it was translation, gianni rodari , had bunch of , e.g.,
17:17 mircea_popescu aha. the "leftover" italians had plenty of good stuff.
17:17 mircea_popescu italo calvino somewhat an echo for the contemporanous reddit ; but otherwise the kingdom of two sicilies excelled, before "italy industrialized" post ww2.
17:19 mircea_popescu anyway. let it be stated that if your story's going to "happy end" it's not even worth writing ; clearly you understood nothing of nothing.
17:19 asciilifeform 'вчера ты был весел, мальчик из Модены... вчера не сегодня, я видел сегодня, как наших отцов расстреляли в упор...'
17:19 * asciilifeform pawed it in from head, it dun seem to exist on www
17:20 mircea_popescu this is moar like ww2. whereas parma had regrets in the 1700s as well.
17:22 asciilifeform oh hey found, in anthology, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PCQRG/?raw=true
17:23 mircea_popescu fefeleaga iirc was 5th grade ?
17:26 diana_coman ha, asciilifeform apparently from vinyls so quality as it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-VOU_jP-8&index=8&list=PLhFkMMCbqsCMq38PC3lGv11vmULgkUfH9
17:27 asciilifeform oh neato
17:27 diana_coman mircea_popescu, 6th or so
17:27 asciilifeform this should stoke asciilifeform's rotakuistics for a spell.
17:28 diana_coman ahahah, soacra cu trei nurori
17:28 mircea_popescu diana_coman maybe they were doing it later across the mountains :D :D :D
17:28 asciilifeform ( any other rotaku here ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? who's a humlang junkie but not learned ro yet )
17:28 mircea_popescu spanish seems more likely.
17:28 diana_coman mircea_popescu, lol! fwiw I kind of trashed "puiul" to start with: stated that mother-bird was idiot as she should have either taken chick on her back or otherwise leave earlier ffs
17:29 * ben_vulpes still struggling with ru glyphs
17:29 mircea_popescu diana_coman nu pricepi sentimentul romanesc al fiintei.
17:29 diana_coman mircea_popescu, nici nu, nu, clar nu
17:29 ben_vulpes one month on guitar, one on ru is sorta my pattern there
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17:29 mircea_popescu mother hen should have sold injured chick to a pedophile, flew first class with the other one off the dough.
17:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: hey try ro, only 5 orcograms
17:30 diana_coman mircea_popescu, that would have made her master seller or something; bird-pedo with an "injured idiot" fetish?
17:30 mircea_popescu i guess lol.
17:30 asciilifeform this is idea
17:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescuized fairytales
17:31 asciilifeform would bestsell.
17:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im translating http://trilema.com/2011/triumful-crizei/ as we speak.
17:31 mircea_popescu (that was a mp-ization of an 1850s b p hasdeu item originally)
17:32 mircea_popescu o sorry wrong item
17:32 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/triumful-talentului-sau-despre-bunatate/ is what i meant.
17:34 mircea_popescu anyway, as far as the foreigner speaker is concerned, the pons asinorum is mastering the ɨ/i and ə/a dychotomies. takes failure rate from 100% to maybe 60% just liek that. then the dypthongs/tripthongs/quadriphtongs (yes, romanian has that). contrary to intuition, the special consonants are not difficult.
17:35 mircea_popescu whole fucking language consists of vowel counting for the native speaker.
17:40 asciilifeform where's the quadripthong ? tri- easy, e.g. copiii
17:40 mircea_popescu !~translate en to ro sheep
17:40 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: oaie
17:40 asciilifeform aaaaa
17:40 asciilifeform lolyea
17:41 mircea_popescu and copiii is not a triphtong in this sense.
17:41 mircea_popescu beau. creioane. doreau
17:41 mircea_popescu etcetera.
17:41 * asciilifeform does not find vowel or consonant clusters of any length, difficult , often torments pet with'em
17:42 mircea_popescu (many 4 vowels are actually tripthongs because of syllabic considerations. leoaica, voiau, etc.)
17:43 asciilifeform i tend to turn those iau into яу
17:43 mircea_popescu it's /jau/ more or less.
17:44 asciilifeform i still dunget why you folx ditched cyrillic
17:44 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728160 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727476
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17:44 asciilifeform it worked...
17:44 mircea_popescu i is easily the most fluid vowel in romanian, it really hides about half dozen distinguished forms of which about half are actually notated.
17:44 trinque BingoBoingo: will get ya tomorrow night.
17:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually dun work for romanian ; it's very latin.
17:44 asciilifeform latin with slavic phonemes lol
17:45 mircea_popescu notrly.
17:45 asciilifeform i keep hearing ru everywhere, but on close inspection it aint
17:45 asciilifeform but phonologically sounds muchly so
17:45 mircea_popescu this is because russian isn't as slavic as it used to be.
17:45 asciilifeform lol where is the troo slavic then
17:46 mircea_popescu ivan'd definitely behead people over their shitty speech if he came back to moscow of today.
17:46 asciilifeform south ( bulgaria ? )
17:46 asciilifeform this is mainstream theory btw
17:46 mircea_popescu nah, it all opened and softened. true slavic would be in eg... finland.
17:46 mircea_popescu much to nobody's enchantment.
17:46 asciilifeform finns are ~chukchas and not a iota slav tho
17:46 mircea_popescu yes, which is how they ended up maintaining the phonetic influence of the old russkis.
17:47 asciilifeform i can picture it tho.
17:47 mircea_popescu moldovans are orcs and not as romanian as they'd like, which is why chisinev spoken romanian sounds like embalmed ion creanga.
17:47 asciilifeform i pictured them as ro equiv of ukrs approx
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17:47 asciilifeform borderfolx
17:47 mircea_popescu really, they're ro equiv of scotts.
17:48 asciilifeform they were ruthlessly mocked in su
17:48 asciilifeform ( butt of million joakes )
17:48 mircea_popescu well to this day i expect the ancient amusement of "get a moldovan hooker at a party, make her strip and talk" still continues.
17:48 mircea_popescu was good for many merry hours once upon a time.
17:49 mircea_popescu there's even hookers born and raised in bucharest doing the accent for dubious tv shows.
17:50 asciilifeform lol!!
17:50 mircea_popescu somehow it's directly hysterical to the mainstream romanian ear.
17:58 asciilifeform to ru also
18:02 BingoBoingo trinque: ty
18:03 asciilifeform speaking of orcraft, ' besarabia e romania' graffiti everywhere
18:03 * BingoBoingo working on digesting hundreds of meters of vocal track
18:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're trying to get into the eu.
18:04 asciilifeform and also the 'don't know history is like children who don't know their parent' thing
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18:04 asciilifeform on every flat surface
18:05 mircea_popescu amusingly, the ro govt was very lax with their immigration ; until euros got all pissy about it, so they closed the border. a coupla years later... euros decided everyone must take in random syrians.
18:05 asciilifeform lol they could get into eu if absorbed into ro neh
18:05 mircea_popescu THAT is not on any flat surface, because that's the fucking characteristic of these young protesting shitheads : stick to ineffectuality.
18:05 mircea_popescu uk "extreme right" "fascists" are derping on about... how there shouldn't be... NEW immigrants.
18:05 mircea_popescu not you know, about burning every last paki in the island.
18:05 mircea_popescu because if you do that, there sure as fuck won't be any new ones either.
18:05 asciilifeform aha wat happened to ovens
18:06 asciilifeform ( answ: ovens are where white brits will bake )
18:07 mircea_popescu anyway. moldavia doesn't stand a fucking chance, on its own. it's a sort of argentina, no industry whatsoever, no young people left to slave on the farms, it ain't got jack.
18:07 asciilifeform latvia sans sprat
18:07 mircea_popescu very heavily dependent on russian support to continue existing, and ro sure as fuck doesn't want ANOTHER moldavia on its budget
18:07 mircea_popescu the current moldavia was a sort of baltimore 20 years ago.
18:08 asciilifeform can't picture for what ru would want it (back)
18:08 mircea_popescu now you can appreciate their drama.
18:08 asciilifeform aaaha
18:08 asciilifeform so it IS urkaina
18:08 mircea_popescu the official truth is that "Everyone keeps invading", the sad truth is that nobody really wants it.
18:08 mircea_popescu just the girls, if that.
18:08 * diana_coman heard they were very, very talented... acrobats! even had huge circus built in USSR times because of that; dunno if that's enough though...
18:09 asciilifeform i met one at uni
18:09 asciilifeform in usa
18:09 mircea_popescu diana_coman hey, i'm not proposing it's uninhabited or anything. good food, largest old collection of wine in europe (meanwhile im sure looted, but i did eat 1800s wine marmalade in their incredibly huge cellar that takes fucking semaphores is so big)
18:10 mircea_popescu and generally it was a great place to buy a coupla girls for a dozen lycra stockings, back in the 90s. by now...
18:10 asciilifeform hey maybe asciilifeform can get visa!!
18:11 diana_coman I had a few colleagues at uni bucharest; re language my observation was that they mixed ro and ru (not words per se but rather languages as a whole) to such degree that result was at worst not-understandable, at best hysterical indeed; sort of saying "ulita" (because of Russian "ulita" obv) to huge boulevard comes to mind but it's not the only thing
18:11 asciilifeform Мож чаво замутим?
18:11 asciilifeform ^ typical
18:11 asciilifeform and gut-bustig
18:12 mircea_popescu diana_coman officially that's slavonic not russian :D
18:12 mircea_popescu (hu also has utca etc)
18:12 diana_coman mircea_popescu, lol
18:12 mircea_popescu im serious though, it's likely old slavonic as a source. certainly not russian import
18:12 asciilifeform i keep turning up indigested or quasidigested bits of ru in ro
18:12 mircea_popescu this is how moldovan philology goes 90% of the time, too : they preserved an old thing, generally older than muscovy, rather than import it.
18:13 diana_coman mircea_popescu, you mean they imported it from old church books or what?
18:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that describes all of the south slavs
18:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're like present day crocodiles : not a sort of fallen man, but a different evolution of the same ancient parent.
18:13 diana_coman hm, maybe
18:13 mircea_popescu diana_coman they preserved something romanian mostly lost
18:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: bulgaria, serbia
18:13 mircea_popescu though ulita is correct romanian to this day
18:13 asciilifeform they froze different chunk of protoslavonic
18:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
18:13 diana_coman mircea_popescu, that's the thing: it IS correct, but ...not the same thing!
18:13 asciilifeform than ru
18:13 mircea_popescu quite exactly.
18:14 mircea_popescu diana_coman not the same usage, yes, which makes their usage intensional, ie stylistically relevant, which it's why it's a joke.
18:14 asciilifeform this is uncontroversial afaik among ru aficionados
18:14 diana_coman exactly
18:14 mircea_popescu but "Strada mare" is not how your great-grandmother would have called ulita mare in the village.
18:14 diana_coman no, ulita MARE
18:14 diana_coman not just "ulita" either
18:15 mircea_popescu well, they heard you're not supposed to say "mare" in the city.
18:15 mircea_popescu fata simply, not fata mare.
18:15 diana_coman there is also ulicioara though :D
18:15 mircea_popescu aha!
18:16 asciilifeform strada is a germanism neh
18:16 mircea_popescu aha.
18:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the other major item contributing to the humor is that they use the (originally latin, now romanian) mechanism of functional language. so they will take a slavonic root, and derive it in the romanian manner with no shits given
18:16 mircea_popescu which produces some of the best wtf's ever.
18:17 diana_coman well, it's also urbanism; great-grandmother would have said drum if not ulita
18:17 asciilifeform found its way into ru, автострада , i.e. autobahn
18:17 mircea_popescu the robotzi "sa te ghetzalesc pe limba???" item is a tongue in cheek reference of exactly this. the word doesn't exist, but if you're a civilised romanian which means born in transylvania and aware enough of hungarian to know how they say sperm,
18:17 mircea_popescu suddenly it's funny.
18:17 asciilifeform as a kid it vexxed me, i thought it had to do with страдать , suffer
18:18 mircea_popescu it... does :D
18:18 asciilifeform ( perhaps an automatic means of inflicting suffering !)
18:18 asciilifeform and indeed.
18:18 mircea_popescu speaking of which : struda sounds like italian privative, sfortunato etc.
18:18 mircea_popescu ie, it's either work or suffering, truda or struda.
18:19 mircea_popescu and if you've ever had your slavegirls make the dough for strudel....
18:19 mircea_popescu in short : birthday paradox. there's just not that many sounds, letters, words etcetera for everyone in europe to be entirely special.
18:20 asciilifeform voicebox aint madeof rubber
18:21 * asciilifeform bbl, bed
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19:08 BingoBoingo In other people's trash https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABGC4PY2308
19:09 shinohai What a lucky number, BingoBoingo
19:09 shinohai I want one lol
19:09 BingoBoingo What are you thinking monthly?
19:12 shinohai i dunno
19:24 BingoBoingo Ah, well it's probably time to thik about what you'd make owning the box
19:32 shinohai Well my values are different than most. Ownership of the box alone justifies trb node, which is worthy of a total of 0,16 BTC
19:43 BingoBoingo Ah
19:46 shinohai it would surely run netbsd and mp-wp w/out hiccup
19:47 BingoBoingo Well, maybe have to pull RAID controller for netbsd
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21:10 mircea_popescu "muieblackcat is script/bot, supposedly of Ukrainian origin, that attempts to exploit PHP vulnerabilities or misconfigurations." << clearly, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728387
21:10 a111 Logged on 2017-10-24 21:47 asciilifeform: i pictured them as ro equiv of ukrs approx
21:21 shinohai http://archive.is/HfUof <<< " Emin Gun Sirer, a Cornell University associate professor in the computer science department who is a Tezos technical adviser, said he continues to believe the network is still “technically sound.”
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22:01 mircea_popescu lol the promising young turk got his ass pretty well loosened on this one, huh.
22:01 mircea_popescu hopefully he has younger brothers, i can't imagine what possible use he can still be the usg turkfucker department.
22:01 mircea_popescu shinohai tell him from me not making tenure "fucking sucks" from what i hear.
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22:39 deedbot http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ << The Whet - A Compendium of Possibly Helpful Stuffs for Erecting Mircea Popescu's WordPress with Nearly Free Speech Hosting
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22:45 mircea_popescu o hey.
22:49 BingoBoingo In other polls, NFL is no longer 'Murica's favorite ball league. Replaced by MLB, which is more multicultural in far less politically convenient way for pantsuit.
23:01 mircea_popescu awww
23:01 mircea_popescu jew coverage as to how this is concerning but doesn't matter and people still give a shit about them abundent enough ?
23:02 mircea_popescu they may be slow on the uptake, but their owners are not. a franchise is 100% made out of sucking the right cock, and pantsuitism just turned clitty.
23:14 BingoBoingo Jew coverage on this is "OMG inspirational Houston vs Perennial almost good LA finally being good World Series bringing attention to baseball"
23:15 BingoBoingo And no coverage of "working Hispanics wanna see Make Great Great Again"
23:15 mircea_popescu too many words.
23:15 mircea_popescu i suppose its hard for a jew to grok the wordcount point.
23:15 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course too many words. They can't be direct. Violates pantsuit principal of alway covering girl floor with fabric.
23:16 mircea_popescu aha
23:16 BingoBoingo Can't let the girl smells escape and excite or disgust the menfolk depending on age and condition of girl floor
23:18 BingoBoingo In other learnings of the day, apparently "language schools" can qualify persons for student visas in Brazil where 10X hour course translates to X month visa.
23:20 mircea_popescu nb
23:25 BingoBoingo Cost of language school is to be determined. But it never hurts to meet people outside of work. Compatibility of language school visa and administering an EIRELI to be determined, but it allows presence in the country and less butt probes than business visa from the view so far.
23:28 BingoBoingo For gringo EIRELI requires 150,000 Reals of registered capital to establish, but is reading as an actually sole proprietor limited liability vehicle. That amount still comes with "plan to employ two Brazialians requirement" but virtual knocking on lawyer doors.
23:31 BingoBoingo And in still other news, SWAT team and feds were in town over what was apparently a very methy stabbing.
23:32 BingoBoingo http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article180607516.html#navlink=Lead
23:46 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in Lafondistan http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=653
23:53 BingoBoingo And in almost there http://www.vdare.com/posts/black-identity-extremists-nyt-is-spitting-mad-that-trumps-fbi-understands-sapir-whorf
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