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00:08 asciilifeform in very very vintage lullies, http://www.anthropark.wz.cz/venus.htm
~ 1 hours 18 minutes ~
01:26 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'll letcha know after i rerun and capture that
01:26 mircea_popescu :)
01:28 ben_vulpes 65536/2048 now at wall clock time of 5.5 hrs
01:28 mircea_popescu dunm dun dun
01:34 ben_vulpes also, was wrong last night, go impl still trouncing
01:40 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you should prolly also capture the M/H pairs
01:42 ben_vulpes noted
01:42 ben_vulpes switch to hex?
01:42 mircea_popescu sure.
01:42 mircea_popescu what arte you using for m source, fg ?
01:42 ben_vulpes uniform strings; still setting all this machinery up
01:43 mircea_popescu i mean for the actual data
01:43 ben_vulpes once i start collecting data in earnest, yes
01:43 mircea_popescu ya, cool
01:43 ben_vulpes going to look at output distribution too
01:44 mircea_popescu and do some standards : M, xor M, M+1, M-1, M shifted 1 etc
01:44 mircea_popescu so we get some "spatial" so to speak H sets
01:44 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: keep 'em coming, experimental design in this space is not my strength
01:45 ben_vulpes nifty, yes
01:45 mircea_popescu 1sec, lemme do this right.
01:45 ben_vulpes no hurry
01:50 mircea_popescu ok, so for every string of FG bits called M, do hashing of M, M+1, M+2, M with first bit flipped, M with first two bits flipped, inverse of M. that's 6 items.
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01:54 mircea_popescu add to that 2 instances of a single randomly located bit flipped.
01:54 mircea_popescu and i think that should be it.
01:57 ben_vulpes okie dokie
02:05 mircea_popescu this is turning into some pretty hardcore computering, 8 versions per M, esp in the 64kb / 2kb format
02:05 mircea_popescu but alf will have a field day diffing the hashes
~ 2 hours 25 minutes ~
04:31 mircea_popescu 0
~ 6 hours 7 minutes ~
10:38 * phf came back from the woods again
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10:39 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677284 << i'll take a look. i've been periodically seeings parts of that lisp profiling and optimization thread
10:39 a111 Logged on 2017-06-30 09:10 mircea_popescu: paging phf for ben_vulpes 's needs
10:39 phf it's a special thread alright.
10:46 phf i think ascii already made that point, that if you're profiling lisp with the vm startup, then you should also profile c machine from boot time. at the very least the vm should be warmed up by loading all the dependencies into the core, doing save-lisp on it, and then making sure that your foo.lisp has an up to date fasl. inside lisp though to achieve the optimizations you run variants of your function inside (time ...) until you bring it within the ra
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10:46 phf nge you want
10:50 phf you can do sampling profiler to get some idea of what your mainloop looks like, but in the code of that size you should be able to reason about it. you then ensure that you have best possible type for your task, and type annotate the mainloop functions. type annotation for speed is tricky and unless you know both the standard and your implementation in and out, you have to look at the assemble of the resulting function
10:54 asciilifeform phf: imho sampling profilers are a wholly useless thing, 'horse with pedals', unless you're working a honeywagon (e.g. virginal trb) and have deeply nfi what the hell the program is doing
10:54 asciilifeform whereas for item that ~you wrote~, you already have the kind of picture that a sampling profiler is giving you -- in your head
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11:04 phf i think maybe it's worthwhile as an auxiliary exploration. you can run it and it will either confirm what you already understood, but sometimes it'll correct your understanding. either way you have to understand how sampling profiler works (particularly when it comes to sampling freq), to use it effectively
11:05 phf if you quicklisp bulk of your code, you're still basically in honeywagon territory
11:07 asciilifeform truly
11:08 asciilifeform the puzzler in my head is why a ~sampling~ profiler is even necessary on anything like recent iron
11:08 asciilifeform just rdtsc and add the result to [somewhere] every other instruction.
~ 19 minutes ~
11:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-03#1678656 << speaking of which, whatcha up to these days ?
11:28 a111 Logged on 2017-07-03 14:38 phf came back from the woods again
11:28 mircea_popescu you're not gonna be remembered as "that guy who spent the whole time touristing" are you.
11:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-03#1678664 << you've not spent any time managing coders have you.
11:34 a111 Logged on 2017-07-03 14:54 asciilifeform: whereas for item that ~you wrote~, you already have the kind of picture that a sampling profiler is giving you -- in your head
11:34 mircea_popescu people have this uncanny ability to describe abstracts they do not in the least comprehend.
11:35 mircea_popescu hence all those devilwish stories for instance.
11:35 asciilifeform if you're 'managing coders' whose 'abstractions they do not in the least comprehend' it is called working honeywagon
11:35 mircea_popescu it is, yes.
11:35 asciilifeform and arguably the superior tool is the whip, not the statisticalprofiler.
11:36 mircea_popescu the whipsical front-and-profile-r.
11:36 mircea_popescu "what's the difference between whimsical and whipsical ?" "the welts."
11:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-03#1678649 that suit for a start ?
11:44 a111 Logged on 2017-07-03 05:50 mircea_popescu: ok, so for every string of FG bits called M, do hashing of M, M+1, M+2, M with first bit flipped, M with first two bits flipped, inverse of M. that's 6 items.
11:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes
11:46 mircea_popescu at the very least should give some indication what to look at closer
11:46 asciilifeform 2-3 hrs per 64k is depressing tho
11:46 mircea_popescu i confess i like the idea.
11:47 asciilifeform make the rsa hasher look great in comparison tho
11:47 mircea_popescu as someone who has written 64kb in one sitting, it's ONLY FUCKING FAIR.
11:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how would you like to wait 6 months to press a vtree.
11:47 asciilifeform ( a SMALL one )
11:48 mircea_popescu 6 months is no less than 500 patches. what tree is 500 patches long ?
11:48 mircea_popescu rebase. now you know why yo uhave to -- nobody's waiting for your 500 long tree.
11:48 asciilifeform oblig : http://lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheGreatSlowKings.txt
11:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can't have a computationally infeasible algo that's also easy to compute!
11:48 asciilifeform sure you can
11:48 asciilifeform it's called motherfucking rsa.
11:49 mircea_popescu in taking hours it is doing EXACTLY what we wanted it to do.
11:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can't have alternatives WITHOUT ALTERNATIVE!
11:49 asciilifeform waiwat
11:50 mircea_popescu this can't be a thing "i want a bunch of substantially different items that are all identical to the best performing one in any arbitrarily chosen criteria"
11:50 mircea_popescu this outlook is how america became walmart and cmachine
11:50 mircea_popescu it pushes in 1st stage "well, select some criteria you REALLY care about then" and after that it's "wel lthis ball of warts does that, so fuck you with it"
11:52 mircea_popescu i'm just hoping S is over 1mb for the 64kb/2kb item and yay.
11:52 asciilifeform what'd that do
11:52 mircea_popescu it soaks up memory.
11:52 asciilifeform i have fpga with >1MB ~internal~ sram right here.
11:53 asciilifeform ( incidentally mircea_popescu's hash rewards fpgaism like nothing ever has )
11:53 mircea_popescu good for you. now you can't use it to do 5k hashes parallel.
11:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform every algorithm rewards not-intel-hardware.
11:53 asciilifeform i dun think i have quite 5k individual fpga in the parts chest, no
11:53 asciilifeform but plenty of folx do.
11:53 mircea_popescu much like any work to be done rewards not-toyota.
11:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in case you missed it, intel/nsa bought altera couplayears ago.
11:54 asciilifeform ( guess for what. )
11:54 mircea_popescu for this reason.
11:54 mircea_popescu point being, this isn't a valid objection. any work will take a truck, and any computing will take custom hardware.
11:55 asciilifeform observation is that 'gnarly slow hash with bitwise sliders' is not so much of a pill against theenemy as running on pc hardware suggests
11:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can't unwrap it in hardware. unlike rsa, fhfs you sitll hafta iterate.
11:56 mircea_popescu so no, in fact, it is MUCH more of a pill than rsa.
11:56 asciilifeform i don't see any theoretical basis for this statement
11:57 mircea_popescu hm
11:57 mircea_popescu can you explai nhow you'd unwrap it ?
11:57 asciilifeform relatedly, funnily enough mircea_popescu has finally created my ancient cellularautomaton PoW ! >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-29#590886
11:57 a111 Logged on 2014-03-29 01:53 asciilifeform: encode payload as bits on a grid, and run cellular automaton
11:58 mircea_popescu in fact the whole game of life thing was exploratory in that direction.
11:58 mircea_popescu it kinda died out, which is a kind of ironic.
11:58 asciilifeform arguably von neumann's original cellular thing was the original
11:58 asciilifeform ( pre-conway )
11:59 BingoBoingo Well, (game of/war of) life is finite. Death infinite!
11:59 asciilifeform incidentally mircea_popescu's hash may well be susceptible to hashlifeization
11:59 mircea_popescu very possible
11:59 asciilifeform ( i have not yet tried, hands -- very full atm )
12:00 mircea_popescu a lot of interesting questions for the thinking man in our age.
12:01 asciilifeform and while we're on subj, i'd still like to see the thing applied in for the purpose i originally suggested -- a 'enemy knows 0 structure ahead of time' bitstring transform
12:01 asciilifeform that nevertheless decompresses in something like O(N)
12:01 mircea_popescu what structure does enemy know here ?
12:01 asciilifeform unrelated, earlier problem
12:01 mircea_popescu seems tyou get that for free./
12:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589879 << thread
12:01 a111 Logged on 2016-12-24 01:02 asciilifeform: incidentally, since (to borrow the lament of turing's school headmaster) 'the room already stinks of mathematics', i'll share a tidbit that i promised folx some half year ago and promptly forgot:
12:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589899 << or skip straight to the meat
12:02 a111 Logged on 2016-12-24 01:10 asciilifeform: say i want to encipher (dun matter with what) a string, 'To: mircea_popescu Subj: thermonuke launch codes ...'
12:05 mircea_popescu am i missing something here ?
12:06 asciilifeform see the linked thread. original subj was (the eternally misnamed) 'rsa padding' problem.
12:06 mircea_popescu yes...
12:06 mircea_popescu oh. right right.
12:06 mircea_popescu reversibility.
12:06 asciilifeform transform string S into a larger S' where -- no matter what substructure of S enemy might know, he knows nothing at all re any part of S', nor any relation between any particular substrings of S'.
12:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform tell you what : S + H => M.
12:07 mircea_popescu fhf work for this purpose.
12:07 mircea_popescu so bnasically, fhf as just a m is a hash, as s+m it's a "padding" function
12:07 asciilifeform if S is IN S', you failed
12:07 asciilifeform screamingly
12:08 mircea_popescu i'm sorry ?
12:08 asciilifeform because 'rsa padding' is not actually padding in any sense
12:08 mircea_popescu what S' ?
12:08 asciilifeform S' is a string indistinguishable from rngolade
12:08 asciilifeform has to be.
12:08 mircea_popescu well yes.
12:09 asciilifeform i assumed '+' above meant concatenation.
12:09 asciilifeform if it is some other operation, say which.
12:10 mircea_popescu the idea was that you need them together. maybe concat, i guess.
12:10 mircea_popescu maybe something better chosen.
12:10 asciilifeform i dun see how this is to work
12:10 mircea_popescu which part ? you're being very vague.
12:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescuhash, as currently written, is a lossy operation
12:10 asciilifeform in that you cannot get the input out of the output
12:10 mircea_popescu it is not.
12:11 mircea_popescu if you have the end S of a hashing, you can reconstruct M from H.
12:11 asciilifeform so idea is to use S as the message, rather than the nominal hash result ?
12:12 mircea_popescu no. if you have message M, and compute a fhf on it, and give out the M, you used fhf as a hash. if you give out both H and S, you used fhf as a "bit convertor" or w/e, the original M can be extracted, with sweat.
12:12 mircea_popescu i'd guess 1.5x the time it took to make it.
12:12 mircea_popescu and this should, at least to my superficial mind, work as rsa padding.
12:13 asciilifeform i'ma have to try this on paper.
12:13 mircea_popescu kk
12:13 mircea_popescu i'm not 100% on it, but my own napkins seem to indicate.
12:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's also the precursory to proof of its strenght : to reverse a 64kb msg hash you need to intuit 1mb of data.
12:19 mircea_popescu ALL of it. bitwise identical.
12:20 mircea_popescu speaking of which, this was to be my next step, once ben_vulpes done profiling : impl a reverser, see the impact of bitwise altered S on end result.
12:22 asciilifeform my current reading of the algo incidentally is that it IS possible for the last bit of S to flip only 1 bit of R.
12:22 mircea_popescu is possible, yes.
12:23 mircea_popescu it is similarily possible for last bit of xor otp to flip only last bit of r.
12:23 mircea_popescu except there it's a ceiling and here it's a floor.
12:25 asciilifeform well, there - one bit of input per one of output. whereas here is a hash: flipping ANY bit of the input should have an impractical-to-compute effect on ~all~ of the output
12:25 asciilifeform whereas as i understand it, we do not have this.
12:25 mircea_popescu as i understad, we have it exactly.
12:26 mircea_popescu but go ahead and compute that "possible" into something ?
12:27 asciilifeform this'll have to wait for my own napkin.
12:27 mircea_popescu it waits, it waits.
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12:29 mircea_popescu but why is it crashing
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12:54 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678277 << electric > gas ??
12:54 a111 Logged on 2017-07-02 00:32 mircea_popescu: chicks love teh electric stove tho.
~ 16 minutes ~
13:10 mircea_popescu yeah.
13:11 ben_vulpes i always figured the electrical stove was just another shitanium knockoff of The Real Thing; in what ways is it so much better than gas?
13:11 mircea_popescu fine temperature control.
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13:12 mircea_popescu gas is you know, powerful.
13:12 * shinohai likes the convection properties of electric ovens
13:12 ben_vulpes you know i was just thinking about wiring pids into my electrical unit for precision control!
13:13 ben_vulpes pidbox is like 13 bucks on ebay with thermocouple included
13:14 mircea_popescu aha!
13:14 mircea_popescu better units come with it anyway.
13:17 ben_vulpes huh, didn't know that
13:17 ben_vulpes odds that i'll ever buy a fancy brand new stove are pretty low anyways
13:17 * ben_vulpes files this away with the refrigerated drawers for the Someday Kitchen
13:18 mircea_popescu those not such a good idea
13:18 ben_vulpes oh why
13:18 mircea_popescu condensation locking
13:19 ben_vulpes oh, as water comes out of the air, pressure drops and makes opening the thing impossible?
13:20 mircea_popescu and as moisutre in the environment cools, it either rusts on them or else outright freezes
13:20 mircea_popescu twoferone!
13:20 ben_vulpes ah, sad
13:20 mircea_popescu even if it neither rusts nor frezes permawet bs is horrible for hygiene
13:20 ben_vulpes yeah yeah
13:21 mircea_popescu then if you insulate them they grow to where the chicks gotta work them in teams...
13:21 ben_vulpes could vinyl slides and drip trays but the complexity begins to mount
13:21 ben_vulpes well, figured the drawers would slide into and out of a refrigerated cabinet
13:21 * mircea_popescu has spent some cycl;es optimizing restaurant kitchen of all things
13:21 ben_vulpes not refrigerate the drawers themselves
13:32 mircea_popescu afaik the only actual implementation oif this that ~works is in morgue. they are side of beef sized drawers, and rather expensive.
13:32 mircea_popescu never saw a way to make them work for you know, 10 to 20lb sizes.
13:33 ben_vulpes just spring for the walk-in, i guess.
13:33 mircea_popescu morgue also gets benefit of 1 open a week.
13:33 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you know what that does to your insurance incidentally ?
13:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-03#1678798 << funnily enough i always found the ~gas~ to have the superior control
13:33 a111 Logged on 2017-07-03 17:11 mircea_popescu: fine temperature control.
13:33 mircea_popescu weirdos saw too many moves
13:33 asciilifeform and not only fine control -- but visible to naked eye in real time
13:33 asciilifeform ( tall vs short flame )
13:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you prolly use it in the 1000s of c
13:34 asciilifeform lol we're speaking of stove, not forge eh
13:34 mircea_popescu yes but do you ever make souffle ?
13:34 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: don't those things have internal actuators?
13:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes anything made since the war does yea
13:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not recently. but it's usually made with handheld gas lamp
13:35 mircea_popescu i was expecting to hear alcohol burner lol
13:36 ben_vulpes and yet with the premiums?
13:36 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i saidf, too many movies
13:36 * asciilifeform at one time worked in a lab with a massive walk in -30c. it was great, esp in july
13:37 mircea_popescu at another time, mp lived in a place where july/dec diff was maybe 2 degrees
13:37 asciilifeform thing wasn't just storage, either, had tables, chairs, experimental setups going 24/7
13:37 mircea_popescu and the kinds of butterflies about
13:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey aintcha there now again ?
13:37 mircea_popescu aha
13:40 mircea_popescu and in other "omfg biodiversitiers" : my power alarm has this very strident, two sharp note bee-bop noise
13:40 mircea_popescu that day, there was a bird doing the ~exact thing outside, we thought nothing of.
13:40 mircea_popescu he's been back ever since, ALL AROUND, perching, singing an ever more dejected bee-bop.
13:41 mircea_popescu i'm half tempted to yank the mains just to humor him
13:46 asciilifeform lol! good company to the dyinghddbird
13:50 mircea_popescu it's like they got audible china in wetware
13:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABF23DE303BE1C82869D7925F0ACF7A8F54B420469D851530FC4121CBEC0B356 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.47 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
13:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/916561ADAC038BBBCFAB89EDC04A3C5CCDD51A05666CD46A292571AEC05CFC01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.157 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
13:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CCD76069BB1F8E630905F5A86CF1C77E184381E6A058E428912D0C5937551E5A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
13:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9546AF73E66CBDE87E3FB00E89C0FE7C53423CDDF964BD60DDEB18B8B6BFE82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
13:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/916561ADAC038BBBCFAB89EDC04A3C5CCDD51A05666CD46A292571AEC05CFC01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8874...5753 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.157 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
13:57 mircea_popescu o.O
13:58 asciilifeform !$ssh 177.234.7.47 177.234.11.157 177.234.2.145
13:58 scriba ssh banner of 177.234.7.47 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-DOPRA-1.5
13:58 scriba ssh banner of 177.234.11.157 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-HUAWEI-1.5
13:58 scriba ssh banner of 177.234.2.145 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-HUAWEI-1.5
13:58 asciilifeform looks pretty typical
13:58 mircea_popescu yeah, turns out. huawei ftw.
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15:29 asciilifeform in recent lulz, a 400MHz , nonwinblowztronic logic analyzer now purportedly exists, http://dreamsourcelab.com
15:29 asciilifeform about a hundy , chinese cranking'em out
15:30 asciilifeform xilinx + sdram + usb20tron inside.
15:30 * asciilifeform not yet tried
15:30 asciilifeform even claims to work in openbsd.
15:42 mircea_popescu interesting
15:47 asciilifeform still not quite pc bus speed. but massive improvement over the crapola that litters asciilifeform's bench, at least on paper.
15:48 asciilifeform ( re pc vivisection : one item on asciilifeform's wish list, that does not currently exist : a doctored stick of sdram that can be read/written 'out of band', i.e. via another hole )
15:48 mircea_popescu start with the true read only sticvk
15:49 asciilifeform lol mircea_popescu can make this with a sharp knife right now!1111
15:49 asciilifeform ( cut the r/w track )
15:50 asciilifeform will fail boot test, but you can't have everything!1
15:50 mircea_popescu heh
15:52 asciilifeform anyway for n00bz : a two-hole ram stick will give you snapshots of physical memory, incl. 'prohibited' (i.e. SMM) pages, undetectably to ring-whatever soft. and likewise write - gives you much of what debug probe gives, with the difference that cpu could not refuse
15:53 asciilifeform no matter how crippled ( see amd thread from september )
15:54 asciilifeform stick also sees the address and data lanes, so can also record all ram fetches ( such that don't hit the cache )
15:54 asciilifeform bonus if you have a cpu that lets you kill cache
15:55 asciilifeform the ultimate win, of course, is that it also gives you a pc that you can magic into a known state on demand.
15:56 asciilifeform ( pipe in memory image. )
15:56 asciilifeform i had this , handmade and orcish, using sageprobe . but it took ~2h per bringup...
15:57 asciilifeform ( and that was a toy box, with 1G !! )
15:57 mircea_popescu coiuld maybe cheat and only do part of ram
15:58 asciilifeform if you know something about the page table, can sorta cheat
15:58 asciilifeform it dun win much, though, linux is a hog
16:02 asciilifeform btw at some point somebody will ask, 'why not use existing gadget with dma, e.g. usb3, to diddle memory'. so answer, intel et al are implementing 'iommu', so that only nsa-approved diddles go through dma controller. plus os can see if it has usb3 etc hanging off
16:03 asciilifeform so elementary final solution is - instrumented ram.
16:03 asciilifeform there is no possible counter to it, short of microshit introducing single-crystal comps ( was headed there, then mooreslaw croaked, now it is unlikely to ever happen )
16:06 asciilifeform as it is, even crapple pocket comps have standalone sdram.
16:06 asciilifeform 'the analogue hole', if you will.
16:09 mircea_popescu aha.
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17:30 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/entertainment-today-pantsuit-legislators-propose-attacking-idea-of-presidency/ << Qntra - Entertainment Today: Pantsuit Legislators Propose Attacking Idea Of Presidency
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18:04 mircea_popescu purrfect
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18:37 BingoBoingo yvm
18:37 BingoBoingo *tyvm
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19:21 mircea_popescu obviously the presidency is a racist/rapist institution no longer adequate fopr the needs of ourdemocracy!
19:21 mircea_popescu just think... one single guy making decisions! on his own! having authority!
19:22 mircea_popescu it's a scandal.
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20:11 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: many fiat stocks showing 123.47 as price
20:12 mircea_popescu this is good for fiatcoin
20:12 * ben_vulpes vanishes in cloud of smoke
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20:36 mod6 evenin'
20:47 asciilifeform https://archive.is/IeEJo << ben_vulpes loltru!
20:49 asciilifeform the 'unhappenings' will be a riot ( picture the autotrading derp demanding reversed tx , etc )
20:49 mircea_popescu hey, it's just like ethereum
20:49 mircea_popescu (progressive, as opposed to classic, which doesn't exist because butt still sore)
20:50 mircea_popescu !~google russian hackers did the nyse
20:50 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: How Russian Hackers Stole the Nasdaq - Bloomberg: <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-17/how-russian-hackers-stole-the-nasdaq>; Russian hackers infiltrated voter databases in dozens of states ...: <http://nypost.com/2017/06/13/russian-hackers-infiltrated-voter-databases-in-dozens-of-states/>; Russian hackers placed 'digital bomb' in Nasdaq - report - Jul. 17 ...: (1 more message)
20:50 mircea_popescu ooobviously
20:51 ben_vulpes a merry occupation day to ye, ameritards
20:58 mircea_popescu and the funny thing is, they earnestly imagines antyone would want to be their friend.
20:58 mircea_popescu people this stupid shouldn't be allowed to exist.
20:59 asciilifeform the mega-enigma, of course, is why not 123.45
21:00 mircea_popescu typo ?
21:00 shinohai They had to put in their 2 cents!
21:00 asciilifeform or because 7/4...
21:01 asciilifeform ( though it ain't 7/4 in east gringolandia for another 3h )
21:01 mircea_popescu wasn't .74 was it
21:01 asciilifeform 47.
21:02 asciilifeform ( calling all kabbalists!111 )
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21:08 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/07/03/le-150ieme-partie-iii-2/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Le 150ième – Partie III
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22:49 phf cnn at the airport are playing "special" on nixon impeachment. they are not even trying anymore
22:59 asciilifeform phf: matter of time.
23:02 phf it's a multi-series show that's being played back to back
23:02 phf with helpful pantsuit commentary in between the episodes
23:05 asciilifeform !#s kick the dog till it bites
23:05 a111 2 results for "kick the dog till it bites", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kick%20the%20dog%20till%20it%20bites
23:05 asciilifeform eventually provocation will work, trump will 'clintonize', i.e. connect himself with something 'uncontroversially' impeachable.
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23:09 asciilifeform in other unsurprises, 'Corrupt data that accidentally flowed out of a NASDAQ systems test caused the share prices...'
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23:10 asciilifeform didjaknow.
23:10 asciilifeform '"It's an exchange-side issue, where the Nasdaq disseminated bad data and traded corrupt messages to us during an exchange-side test of their systems," a Bloomberg spokeswoman told AFR, over the phone. ' didjaknow.
23:13 asciilifeform meanwhile, from same fishwrap, https://archive.is/7cEvZ >> 'A Current Affair reporter Ben McCormack has appeared in court for the first time since he was charged with child pornography offences.' << au competes with uk for 'who is premier anglo shithole'
23:14 asciilifeform cocaine in toilet tanks, apparently, was a bit arduous, and called for at least a certain qty of actual cocaine to be tied up, if temporarily, in evidence lockers
23:14 asciilifeform prohibited pr0n is cheaper.
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23:15 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: many fiat stocks showing 123.47 as price << Y no submission?
23:16 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> eventually provocation will work, trump will 'clintonize', i.e. connect himself with something 'uncontroversially' impeachable. << There's a deadline for provocation to work. 2018 mid term elections
23:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why ?
23:18 phf asciilifeform: i periodically come back from the woods and marvel at the going ons
23:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Because the fork in the GOP will likely be resolved in the primary season, and Pantsuit is set up to take massive losses in Senate.
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23:18 BingoBoingo GOP has few Senate seats to defend in 2018, Pantsuit has many
23:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i expect that the number of rules by which 'pantsuit' crowd continues to play, such that they can lose, will grow smaller.
23:20 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The state legislatures that make those rules mostly lean GOP over pantsuit, and rulemaking is a concern after 2020 census.
23:20 asciilifeform 'don't play with a deck you haven't glued yourself'
23:20 BingoBoingo What kind of glue do you have that resists razor knife?
23:21 BingoBoingo Meanwhile Trump appointees continue to increase as percentage of people arbitrating rules
23:22 BingoBoingo January 2019 Trump will likely be Nixon proof. Pantsuit will have to resort to Kennedy solutions.
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23:23 BingoBoingo Timeline for Kennedying likely ends January 2021 when it would lead to 4 years of Pence, which is likely worst possible outcome for pantsuit
23:24 asciilifeform iirc pence is a perfectly compliant r-flavoured pantsuit
23:24 mod6 cog in the wheel, aha
23:25 asciilifeform quite likely no presently sitting congresscritter would object to 4, 8, 44, 88 yrs of him.
23:25 BingoBoingo Perhaps, my read is otherwise.
23:25 phf fwiw there's definitely a sentiment change. it's becoming fashionable to roll eyes at sjws at festivals and be secretly OK with trump.
23:26 phf as the fervor increasing there's a general loss of steam. how many misfires can these people afford?
23:27 asciilifeform phf: 7!1111
23:28 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1678923
23:28 a111 Logged on 2017-07-04 01:02 asciilifeform: ( calling all kabbalists!111 )
23:28 mircea_popescu phf not many.
23:28 asciilifeform ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-20#1557348 )
23:28 a111 Logged on 2016-10-20 20:40 asciilifeform: 'how many bugs shall we tolerate!?' 'seven!'
23:28 mircea_popescu there's nothing fickler than the sentiments of the crowd. and yes the reversal is underway.
23:28 mircea_popescu brownshirts acomin'.
23:31 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/fiat-denominated-stocks-on-nyse-set-to-123-47-us-dollars/ << Qntra - Fiat Denominated Stocks On NYSE Set To 123.47 US Dollars
23:31 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EhMmJhm4K8 << oblig. ( for de n00bz: by same subtitlist who did 'fredericus' )
23:40 mircea_popescu lol you'\re quite systematic are you
23:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1678931 << don't be ridiculous, dude's already pussygrabbed.
23:41 a111 Logged on 2017-07-04 03:05 asciilifeform: eventually provocation will work, trump will 'clintonize', i.e. connect himself with something 'uncontroversially' impeachable.
23:41 mircea_popescu there's nothing else.
23:42 mircea_popescu part of the problem and the font of all the "russianb spies" lulz is that a) thjere's nothing else and b) the fucktards can't believe nobody cares.
23:42 mircea_popescu so they're stuck in the loser's spin of trying to find "the realer real one"
23:42 asciilifeform i did wonder, why not something better.
23:42 asciilifeform ( re fredericus et al : i had nfi how many of these d00d had !! e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Nwsqy6v_Q is new to asciilifeform )
23:42 asciilifeform and hilarious
23:43 asciilifeform ( http://ingeb.org/Lieder/werhatau.html << lyrics )
23:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1678932 all i have to say is http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085
23:43 a111 Logged on 2017-07-04 03:09 asciilifeform: in other unsurprises, 'Corrupt data that accidentally flowed out of a NASDAQ systems test caused the share prices...'
23:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mpex afaik never reverted trades either
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23:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1678937 << aha! you wouldn't download a car only goes so far.
23:45 a111 Logged on 2017-07-04 03:14 asciilifeform: prohibited pr0n is cheaper.
23:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there was ONE instance of dude having his trade unwound. he promptly got pissed off and went and lost his wad on $randomscam.
23:46 asciilifeform how come he got unwound ?
23:46 mircea_popescu i don't even specifically remember, was years ago. but im sure there was a good reason.
23:46 mircea_popescu something with the options bot at any rate.
23:46 asciilifeform i'm moar curious re what 'good reason' even looks like
23:47 asciilifeform why should trades ever get unwound
23:48 mircea_popescu trades routinely get unwound. you call the shop, "do you have bananas ?" "yes we do". you come to shop, they don't. "Wtf!" "Someone bougth them!"
23:48 mircea_popescu "oh but this wasn't really a trade" "it was an accepted tender!" "mmkay"
23:48 asciilifeform lol doublespend of banana
23:48 mircea_popescu there's a space between closure (as an abstract) and settlement (as a practical).
23:49 mircea_popescu people like to think in terms of the former, it's less impedancy, but reality works on lattert
23:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not even doublespend, they were not allocated. therer's such a thing as nonbinding allcoators.
23:49 mircea_popescu "best effort" execution and so on
23:49 mircea_popescu notice that no one goes to the hospital with a "i came here so you make me healthy" contract.
23:50 mircea_popescu not on paper at any rate. even if in their mind.
23:50 asciilifeform this'd make more sense if trading still happened on donkeys; or if earth-mars, and farthest approach, and gotta wait 20 min each way
23:50 mircea_popescu there's no such thing as a human-accessible time interval that's not human accessible.
23:50 asciilifeform but on earth, why should trade not return a hard 'went' or 'not-went' in 100msec or so ?
23:51 asciilifeform supposing we're using a classical centralized market, and not blockchain etc
23:51 mircea_popescu depends how it's implemented, i guess.
23:51 mircea_popescu are you making the rsatron or aren't you ?
23:51 mircea_popescu o oops, 100msec are up.
23:52 asciilifeform lol it's about 100msec on decent ( fpga ) iron!111
23:53 mircea_popescu at any rate, there's a floor under human abstraction. voltages stabilize after a time. etc.
23:54 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/07/fiat-denominated-stocks-on-nyse-set-to-123-47-us-dollars/ << Fixed
23:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1678942 << to the tune of reich getting 2/3
23:57 a111 Logged on 2017-07-04 03:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because the fork in the GOP will likely be resolved in the primary season, and Pantsuit is set up to take massive losses in Senate.
23:57 mircea_popescu that shall be a shiow
23:57 mircea_popescu when pantsuit.org discovers that it's antiourdemocracy for senate supermajority to take decisions.
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