Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2017-05-09 | 2017-05-11 → ↓
00:01 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2017/craft-bot-replace-tool/ << Daniel P. Barron - Craft Bot Replace Tool
00:03 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/dogecointipbot-creator-admits-constant-embezzlement-while-shutting-down-service-sorry-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Dogecointipbot Creator Admits Constant Embezzlement While Shutting Down Service: Sorry For Your Loss
00:03 mod6 got it
00:03 mod6 newline snarffed: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VQ2cg/?raw=true
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00:24 mircea_popescu https://68.media.tumblr.com/4889bbd61efa1b6b8d4d0e04797caf9f/tumblr_ngqpti13u21tctanyo1_1280.jpg << incidentally, did we already do ballgirl ?
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00:28 asciilifeform mod6: try nao ?
00:28 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-18076 <<
00:29 * mod6 looks
00:32 mod6 seems to be the same for me?
00:32 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fUeq3/?raw=true
00:32 mod6 i might have to refresh/clear cache
00:33 mod6 naw, same thing. weird.
00:33 asciilifeform where in satan's name does that space come from ?
00:37 asciilifeform mod6: diff the hexdump -C outputs
00:37 asciilifeform what do you get ?
~ 15 minutes ~
00:52 mod6 ok, sec.
00:55 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jqdKt/?raw=true
00:57 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UtR5k/?raw=true
00:57 mod6 will diff the orig and the latest pasted now, sec.
01:01 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Bdg7W/?raw=true
01:04 mod6 looks like 180: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XMTTz/?raw=true
01:06 asciilifeform that diff is useless, the tops ain't aligned
01:06 * asciilifeform bbl
01:08 mod6 here's a gnu unified diff of the same: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JWTFY/?raw=true
01:08 mod6 anyway, don't worry about it. just nuke the post I made, and I'll dump the unsigned text inthere.
01:15 mod6 after curl'ing down the page itself, this is what it looks like in HTML: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tTbXV/?raw=true
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01:15 mod6 so it's not much of a suprise i guess that a copy of the text, rendered, doesn't work.
01:16 mod6 maybe if wraped <code></code> tags wouldn't have wrapped up the links and snarffed the \n's.
01:16 mod6 but i don't know html very well.
~ 36 minutes ~
01:52 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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01:58 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-climbs-7-28-percent-in-latest-adjustment/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Climbs ~7.28 Percent In Latest Adjustment
~ 2 hours 26 minutes ~
04:24 mircea_popescu ah but mod6 baby, you can't sign html and expect to verify the text a browser outputs cmon. whole fucking thing is a substitution engine for strings, how's the clearsign gonna be preserved.
~ 3 hours 1 minutes ~
07:25 phf` for people who are into that kind of shit, Ruckert republished his "Understanding MP3", which is notable for being a literate program write up of an mp3 decoder (plus all the necessary context to understand how it works) https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-MP3-Semantics-Mathematics-Algorithms/dp/1541259335
07:27 phf` was out of print since 2005, and i was trying to find a copy for a while, but ruckert just republished it using amazon's self publishing system. i haven't gotten a copy yet, but i suspect that it might not be a particularly good print, but we'll see
07:28 phf` http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653951 << that is surely one of them sex dolls?
07:28 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 04:24 mircea_popescu: https://68.media.tumblr.com/4889bbd61efa1b6b8d4d0e04797caf9f/tumblr_ngqpti13u21tctanyo1_1280.jpg << incidentally, did we already do ballgirl ?
07:37 shinohai Nifty phf, I kinda want a copy myself now.
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~ 1 hours 13 minutes ~
08:51 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> ah but mod6 baby, you can't sign html and expect to verify the text a browser outputs cmon. << :] i didn't sign html.
08:51 mod6 <+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section. 7bit ascii.
08:52 mod6 either loper, or browser is magling the text.
08:52 mod6 feels like the same thing that we went through with the pastebin stuff once upon a time.
~ 20 minutes ~
09:12 mod6 shinohai: you around? got time to do me a favor?
09:13 mod6 <+mod6> <+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section. 7bit ascii. << go to this link, copy the text, save locally, or however you want to do it, and see if it verifies.
09:13 shinohai Morning mod6, be glad to help if possible. o7
09:14 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-18076 << << then go here, all PGP text and see if it verifies for ya.
09:14 mod6 *copy all PGP text
09:14 mod6 shinohai: thanks.
09:16 mod6 :] very much appreciated
09:16 shinohai mod6: The paste verifies fine, the loperos one gives me: gpg: can't hash datafile: file open error
09:17 mod6 do you have all of the stuff between the '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----' and '-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----', including those lines?
09:17 shinohai Ah my bad now I got:
09:18 shinohai BAD Sognature
09:18 shinohai *signature
09:18 mod6 yah, same as both alf and I too.
09:18 mod6 thanks for checking.
09:18 shinohai No problem, appears alf's blogotron is mangling it.
09:21 mod6 ill leave off with this, here is the un-buffer-copied, original before pasting into ben's wotpaste and loper
09:21 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WDSkv/?raw=true
09:22 mod6 my belief is that loper is discarding one of '0a's in that line 0000180 or whatever from lastnight
09:24 asciilifeform mod6: it gotta be in the display end. when i paste from the 'edit comment' box, it verifies
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~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~
10:31 phf` welcome back to another round of "we trying to put TEXT into a TEXTBOX" with your host phf
10:31 mod6 thanks asciilifeform for taking down the comment.
10:32 mod6 if i did something wrong here, i don't know, to this very minute what it is.
10:32 mod6 or why it works on ben_vulpes ' wotpaste and not elsewhere.
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10:32 mod6 ben_vulpes: do you care to remind the readers of the adventure you had to take to handle this with your wotpaste tool?
10:33 mod6 I remember these to be exceptionally painful.
10:35 mod6 I think independant replication is in order myself; i.e. someone create a clearsigned message with multiple line feeds in there (\n), and see if the result is the same.
10:36 phf` i'm pretty sure wp arbitrarily mungles posts/comments on render. that's why mircea_popescu's wp version has a special hack that wraps gpg data in a pre and ensures that wp doesn't touch it in any way
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10:39 phf` otherwise a POST from a curl/programmatically is the safest way to upload. that's what browsers also supposed to do, but some of them will corrupt your CR/CRLF/LF combinations, which is not anything that you can defend from on the server side
10:39 asciilifeform clearsigning suxxx
10:40 phf` wp on top of that runs comments through a renderer, that adds paragraph breaks and smileys and such
~ 53 minutes ~
11:33 mircea_popescu aha, phf` has it
11:37 mircea_popescu phf` why do you think sex doll ? common female also can get clit shield / urethra buzzer installed.
11:39 mircea_popescu mod6 ah sorry, i misunderstood http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653972
11:39 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 05:15 mod6: after curl'ing down the page itself, this is what it looks like in HTML: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tTbXV/?raw=true
11:41 mircea_popescu in case not found yet : "mod6.sig\n\n\nT" vs ".mod6.sig</a>\n\nT"
11:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654007 << this only means it saved it correctly in the db. wp does another filtering pass when displaying, which does munge.
11:43 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 13:24 asciilifeform: mod6: it gotta be in the display end. when i paste from the 'edit comment' box, it verifies
11:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654011 << because ben_vulpes went through a day or two of screaming and drilling with me on the topic many many years ago and we fixed the process.
11:44 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 14:32 mod6: or why it works on ben_vulpes ' wotpaste and not elsewhere.
11:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , et al : got a snippet for this wp fix ?
11:49 asciilifeform or does it require mircea_popescu's wptron wholesale.
11:50 mircea_popescu should be in wp-comments.php or w/e it's called i think. that'd be the displayer of comments section.
11:50 * asciilifeform looks
11:50 mircea_popescu and you know, not putting it in wholesale LAST time you ran into this problem with i dun recall what, it's how you woke up screaming in the middle of the night a half year later because OMFG WUT
11:51 asciilifeform i blew a week+ on it and put on shelf, sad
11:51 mircea_popescu wp is particularily distinguished for how it breaks down silently and inexplicably in corner cases. like you know, websoftwasre.
11:51 mircea_popescu ah wait, yeah, i recall you trying and couldn't get some corner in the door, what was it, do yo urecall ?
11:51 asciilifeform the spam filter
11:51 asciilifeform which to me was the mega-feature
11:52 asciilifeform ( i would like to ditch the google horror thing i've got in there presently )
11:54 asciilifeform http://asciilifeform.com << asciilifeform's mp-wp test install. comments dun work...
11:54 asciilifeform ( i am wholly and deeply uninterested in a wp of any description whatsoever WITHOUT a spam filter. )
11:55 mircea_popescu i dunno why it wouldn't work for you ;/
11:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remind me, did it rely on static ip ?
11:56 mircea_popescu i honestly dun recall how it works.
11:57 mircea_popescu i do know it takes a while to train, and that it ~never fucks up my queue, i need to click maybe 3 items a week.
12:01 * asciilifeform tried just now transplanting mircea_popescu's get_comment_text() from comment-template.php into own www
12:01 asciilifeform result :
12:01 asciilifeform undebuggable null pages on all loads.
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12:01 asciilifeform reverted.
12:01 mircea_popescu sorry to hear.
12:02 asciilifeform quite strange, because mircea_popescu's item doesn't appear to use any exotica
12:03 mircea_popescu wp is particularily distinguished for how it breaks down silently and inexplicably in corner cases. like you know, websoftware !!11
12:04 asciilifeform ok, let's try again:
12:04 asciilifeform mod6 around ?
12:05 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654047 << php error_log may be able to tell you something? oblig caution re. gas mask, tho...
12:05 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 16:01 asciilifeform: undebuggable null pages on all loads.
12:06 asciilifeform seems to work nao!!
12:06 mircea_popescu since he says undebuggable...
12:06 asciilifeform ( i pasted mod6's text and commented under his name )
12:06 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086 << seems to verify
12:07 asciilifeform anyone confirm ?
12:07 * Framedragger sees
12:07 Framedragger oh shit, you meant sig. no, sorry
12:07 * Framedragger yet to fetch keys and side-channel-verify...
12:07 mircea_popescu looking
12:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your site redirects me to http://www.www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1 and i load jack.
12:09 asciilifeform clear cache ?
12:09 asciilifeform seems to load here
12:09 asciilifeform Framedragger? anybody ?
12:09 mircea_popescu < HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
12:09 mircea_popescu < Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:09:35 GMT
12:09 mircea_popescu < Server: Apache
12:09 mircea_popescu < Location: http://www.www.loper-os.org/?p=1887
12:09 mircea_popescu sez curl.
12:09 Framedragger asciilifeform: loads fine, and reloads fine
12:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: loads great with curl
12:10 Framedragger no, mine does not redirect, incl. with curl (gives 200)
12:10 asciilifeform you gotta put quotes around the url y'know, mircea_popescu
12:10 mircea_popescu alright, let's.
12:10 asciilifeform or ampersand fucks you
12:11 mircea_popescu same behaviour.
12:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what exact command line ?
12:11 asciilifeform and what ver of curl
12:11 phf` mircea_popescu: www.www.
12:12 mircea_popescu yep.
12:12 Framedragger seems that www.www is the 301 *target* returned to his client, hah
12:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZsKjC/?raw=true whole thing.
12:12 Framedragger i mean, at this point i'd almost recommend to run a traceroute....
12:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my output of curl -v "http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086" &> foo.txt >>>>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ERLE0/?raw=true
12:14 mircea_popescu no, i believe you.
12:14 phf` Framedragger: oh cute, i thought that was a typo, or err copypasto
12:14 mircea_popescu the problem is that mine dun work, not that yours does.
12:14 asciilifeform anyone able to replicate mircea_popescu's effect ?
12:15 Framedragger i wonder if mircea_popescu'd get the same if he ran a manual GET under `nc loper-os.org 80` hah
12:15 asciilifeform ( meanwhile : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pgp_fix_cribbed_from_mp.vpatch << tentative . )
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12:15 asciilifeform ^ is unlikely to apply mechanically to anybody else's wp install, mine is prehistoric
12:16 mircea_popescu Framedragger yep. "<p>The document has moved <a href="http://www./">here</a>.</p>
12:16 mircea_popescu "
12:16 mircea_popescu GET /
12:16 Framedragger hm
12:16 mircea_popescu basically asciilifeform look for a dumb s/"http://www.// that gets applied everywhere
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12:16 Framedragger GET /?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086 HTTP/1.1
12:16 Framedragger Host: www.loper-os.org
12:16 mircea_popescu for some reason (ie, abug) it doesn't get applied to you/most others
12:16 Framedragger if i supply this to nc, i get 200
12:17 mircea_popescu but it's still there. you got... >2 bugs.
12:17 Framedragger damn russian hackers
12:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plox post output of my exact curl ( with the &> stderr redirect into txt file )
12:18 mircea_popescu aite
12:19 mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZfIQP/?raw=true
12:20 Framedragger ah
12:20 Framedragger mircea_popescu uses local hosts file right
12:21 Framedragger do you have an entry for loper-os.org?
12:21 asciilifeform IT ISN'T A STATIC IP !!!!
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12:21 asciilifeform i guess i oughta have warned.
12:21 mircea_popescu awww.
12:21 mircea_popescu Framedragger yes.
12:21 mircea_popescu why, this is the expected behaviour ?
12:21 asciilifeform it is.
12:21 mircea_popescu seems unlikely, but okay!
12:21 asciilifeform nfs inc. has ancient, 1990s-era thing with dynamic ips
12:22 asciilifeform demonstrably ddos-proof, to date.
12:22 mircea_popescu i still dunno why it'd www.www.
12:22 asciilifeform and costs penny.
12:22 asciilifeform the attempt to load random crapolade, somehow triggers this.
12:22 mircea_popescu unless someone put a shitperl in there and forgot all about it.
12:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no such thing on my end, fwiw.
12:22 Framedragger not sure about www.www, i also thought, maybe you have an alias loper-os.org => www.loper-os.org mircea_popescu ?
12:22 asciilifeform at least not where i can get to it.
12:22 Framedragger so www.loper-os.org actually becomes www.www
12:23 mircea_popescu i just have 208.94.116.204 www.loper-os.org
12:23 asciilifeform try 208.94.116.144 .
12:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform same
12:24 Framedragger srsly
12:24 asciilifeform how did mircea_popescu ever even read my www, gotta wonder
12:25 mircea_popescu i can load it on other machines!
12:26 mircea_popescu also, it sohuld be noted, i dun have same problem with... mp-wp
12:26 mircea_popescu :D!!!
12:26 asciilifeform well you wouldn't
12:26 asciilifeform because your mp-wp lives on conventional static ip box.
12:26 Framedragger asciilifeform: apparently it works with 208.94.116.204, too
12:26 Framedragger GET / HTTP/1.1
12:26 Framedragger Host: www.loper-os.org
12:26 Framedragger HTTP/1.1 200 OK
12:26 Framedragger Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:25:26 GMT
12:26 Framedragger Server: Apache
12:26 Framedragger X-Pingback: http://www.loper-os.org/xmlrpc.php
12:26 mircea_popescu no, the box has a whole c block
12:26 asciilifeform Framedragger: then i have even deeper nfi
12:26 Framedragger if nc'd to 208.94.116.204
12:27 asciilifeform it works , fwiw, from every box and every modem i have here
12:27 mircea_popescu lol.
12:27 asciilifeform but admittedly i don't mp-dns.
12:27 mircea_popescu try it ?
12:28 asciilifeform curl http://208.94.116.204 >>> '.... <p>The document has moved <a href="http://www.208.94.116.204/">here</a>.</p> ... ' << and mega-unsurprise!!!!
12:29 mircea_popescu heh
12:29 Framedragger LOL
12:29 mod6 hi, sorry got pulled away for a few there.
12:29 mod6 thanks for re-posting for me asciilifeform
12:29 * mod6 checks
12:29 asciilifeform i'll repeat, there is no possible way you can get to my www via http://ip . for any value of ip.
12:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654100 let us reiterate
12:29 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 16:16 mircea_popescu: basically asciilifeform look for a dumb s/"http://www.// that gets applied everywhere
12:29 asciilifeform it lives on an ancient collective cluster thing.
12:30 asciilifeform which twiddles the dns, silently, and serves up the correct d00d's site based on url requested.
12:30 mircea_popescu heh. ok then.
12:30 asciilifeform i have 0 manual control over this process.
12:30 Framedragger i mean, one can have a local entry in hosts file, even with old ip it seems, the client just needs to supply a correct 'Host' header field
12:30 asciilifeform and i don't have the budget to put it on own t3 like trilema was put.
12:31 asciilifeform fwiw in november of this yr it will be 10y old. and down time to date cumulative is approx 30 hrs.
12:31 mod6 nice
12:31 mircea_popescu http://91.218.246.33/ works just fine, of course, and i's kinda fond of that.
12:31 asciilifeform ( impervious to slashdot, reddit, and at least 1 organized ddos )
12:31 mircea_popescu eh, neither slashdot nor reddit sent any kind of traffic these days.
12:31 asciilifeform not recently.
12:31 asciilifeform in fact in recent times ~nobody reads it at all.
12:32 mircea_popescu not for years. about as relevant as being mentioned in the subway.
12:32 asciilifeform right.
12:32 asciilifeform which makes nfs pricing scheme even MORE appealing
12:32 asciilifeform no one reads ? i pay ~0.
12:32 asciilifeform instead of monthly $hundreds
12:32 asciilifeform whereas if it actually does a TB of load, i pay fiddibux-hundy
12:33 asciilifeform this happened a handful of times, to date.
12:33 asciilifeform i dun have a trilema.
12:34 mircea_popescu having a trilema is good, even though it costs a little.
12:34 mircea_popescu same old ho discussion : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639
12:34 a111 Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
12:34 asciilifeform right. i dun mean the physical box, mircea_popescu . i meant 'in my head, i dun have a trilema' to say.
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12:34 mircea_popescu hm.
12:35 mircea_popescu i dunno dood, you're doing pretty well holding your own in here.
12:35 asciilifeform i could get the box, if i had the outpour of production that'd merit one.
12:38 asciilifeform mod6: try verifying the pgpblock
12:38 asciilifeform it oughta work nao.
12:39 asciilifeform mod6: ( backported http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654094 from mircea_popescu's wp )
12:39 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 16:15 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pgp_fix_cribbed_from_mp.vpatch << tentative . )
12:40 asciilifeform mod6: also plox do me a favour and post the comment yourself again, i'll remove the old one
12:40 asciilifeform so we can confirm that it worx.
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13:29 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
13:29 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1766.34, vol: 13698.56750527 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1683.998, vol: 12658.86753 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1785.9, vol: 25777.34231721 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1423.384, vol: 27341.74530000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1771.041, vol: 6396.36811488 | Volume-weighted last average: 1651.22686196
13:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: do me a favour plox : load mod6 comment from my last blogpost and gpg verify
13:40 BingoBoingo It verifies for me
13:42 BingoBoingo In other local news I somehow slept through http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article149709494.html#navlink=Lead
13:43 BingoBoingo "He put three rounds into the bull, behind its shoulder, a traditional target spot to bring down big game, but the bull did not fall. The rifle carried by Highland police is an AR-15 that shoots .223-caliber, non-penetrating rounds." << Not a enough bullet for Buffalo Lives Matter
13:44 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo
13:45 BingoBoingo "But the bullet was not able to pierce the buffalo’s thick skull, which they use in nature like battering rams when they fight each other. However, the shot did knock the bull down to where Athmer could reposition again to gain a better angle and deliver more rounds. It took about a dozen shots total before the bull finally succumbed to its wounds in a brushy area about 100 yards off Tyson Road, about a quarter-mile outside the city li
13:45 BingoBoingo mits." << This a a serious failure of community policing. Why were better equipped citizens not deputized to combat the brown menace?
13:45 asciilifeform and ty mircea_popescu for the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654015 which worxxx great.
13:45 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 14:36 phf`: i'm pretty sure wp arbitrarily mungles posts/comments on render. that's why mircea_popescu's wp version has a special hack that wraps gpg data in a pre and ensures that wp doesn't touch it in any way
13:49 asciilifeform all that's missing is a new orwell to write 'shooting the bullephant' essay.
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14:07 mircea_popescu da fuck is .223 non penetrating supposed to do. get the police robbed by hoodlums in vinyl suits ?
14:07 * mircea_popescu wouldn't even carry that dumb shit. buy a model of a real gun from a toy store, get more mileage out of that.
14:08 asciilifeform ru '74' 5.56mm is similar. 'small bullet philosophy', 1970s
14:08 mircea_popescu idiots.
14:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and my pleasure.
14:08 asciilifeform iirc idea was, suppressive fire (raw qty) counts for moar than quality
14:09 mircea_popescu this idea works if you're china.
14:09 mod6 asciilifeform: ok, so my comment that ~you~ reposted indeed verified after I copied it off the page.
14:09 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: also plox do me a favour and post the comment yourself again, i'll remove the old one << sure, can/will do this a bit later for sure.
14:09 asciilifeform mod6: aha, hence why i asked for take2
14:10 mod6 np. sorry about the delay.
14:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc there was also a 'wounded man ties up 3, dead man 1' thing
14:13 mircea_popescu lol
14:13 mircea_popescu dun work worth a shit for the police.
14:14 mircea_popescu anyway. the idea was, rather than actually drill the idiots we recruit into soldiers, cheaper easier and lazier to just give them a gun. and since they're idiots anyway, we "optimize" gun into peashooter. our democracy progressing continously towards further heights of socialism.
14:15 mircea_popescu then they run into actually trained actual men, and "o noes, snipers!!!" => collapsing tikrit "offensive" and "we're still two weeking mosul year and a half later" because three dudes didn't feel like speaking english that time.
14:18 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ru '74' 5.56mm is similar. 'small bullet philosophy', 1970s << Completely different thing. When "non-penetrating" is specified bullet generally has plastic jacket over core of lead pellets
14:19 BingoBoingo Idea is that 3/4" "firestop drywall" stops bullet in apartment buildings
14:24 BingoBoingo !~later tell jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/sc2kp/?raw=true
14:24 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
14:30 mircea_popescu this sounds a lot like a salt charge someone took the salt out of.
14:30 asciilifeform smallbullet is not necessarily dumb, after all 1/2mv^2 -- not 1/2m^2v .
14:30 asciilifeform the 'frangible' thing is crackpottery tho.
14:31 asciilifeform sounds like an attempt to make 'dumdum' without the bad pr ( but why?? )
14:31 mircea_popescu the human/whatever body is made to resist certain stresses. you gotta be that tall to ride sort of situation.
14:32 asciilifeform bullet kills enemy with shock wave / liquifaction, not with hole ( notice, folx who have 'only hole', often live )
14:32 mircea_popescu depends where.
14:33 asciilifeform just short of everywhere.
14:44 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> the 'frangible' thing is crackpottery tho. << It's lawyerasty. Shooting through next apartment and killing cat would ruin a small podunk PD.
14:45 asciilifeform dunno that this is so
14:45 asciilifeform they routinely fire into crowds and nail folx even mile away, and 0 ruin.
14:45 BingoBoingo Per the courts: FBI gets to kill Lavoy Finicum, Big Urban PD gets to sometimes kill people, Small town PD gets to write traffic tickers and bother drunks
14:59 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/comey-out-at-fbi-swamp-thrashes-as-guileless-people-pleasing-politruck-fired/ << Qntra - Comey Out At FBI: Swamp Thrashes As Guileless People Pleasing Politruck Fired
14:59 BingoBoingo Observe: StL city pd gets to shoot to kill. Suburban Ferguson gets consent decreed to death.
14:59 asciilifeform !#s gendarmerie
14:59 a111 46 results for "gendarmerie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gendarmerie
14:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plan is for 'small town pd' to evaporate. entirely.
15:00 asciilifeform to be replaced by appointees from mvd or whatever it'll end up being called.
15:00 asciilifeform ministry of internals.
15:00 BingoBoingo I am pretty sure being less equipped to slay bovine beast than "Rural King" near beast's rampage is pretty damn evaporated
15:01 * asciilifeform recently learned that 'rural king' actually exists. wants to visit.
15:01 BingoBoingo I've been telling you it's a place for years
15:01 asciilifeform i kinda assumed it were a composite picture.
15:02 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Rural+King
15:02 BingoBoingo First reference may 2014 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-30#695835
15:02 a111 Logged on 2014-05-30 18:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there is a big box type store called "Rural King" has more useful materials for electronics security than Best Buy
15:02 asciilifeform and also mentally associated it with http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/2/22/Fo1_Intro_Radiation_King_OR.png
15:04 BingoBoingo https://www.ruralking.com/storelocator/index/index/
15:05 asciilifeform nearest 1 is 2h away l0l
15:05 asciilifeform unsurprise.
15:06 * BingoBoingo wonders how asciilifeform would handle the wonders of "Tractor Supply" or Bucheit
15:08 BingoBoingo Or the wonderlands where tractor dealerships co-exist with car dealerships in a ratio that sometimes drops as low as 4/5
15:08 asciilifeform well i dun have a tract !
15:08 asciilifeform so no tractor
15:09 asciilifeform https://www.ruralking.com/tannerite-10-pack-1-2-lb-exploding-binary-target.html << interesting
15:09 * asciilifeform had nfi.
15:12 BingoBoingo Yes, much of the cool shit you thing simply doesn't exist is actually sitting on store shelves 2 hours away
15:13 asciilifeform ammonal existed in 20th c : '...Вбивают в камни аммонал,: Могилу рыть пора,: И содрогается запал: Бикфордова шнура...' ( v. shalamov )
15:13 mircea_popescu pity one can't do anything without 8mn.
15:13 asciilifeform it's what you blow the permafrost with, to dig grave.
15:13 asciilifeform '...И без одежды, без белья, Костлявый и нагой, Ложусь в могилу эту я - Поскольку нет другой.' (tm)(r)
15:14 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> so no tractor << Amazingly "tractor supply" sells pretty much everything rural but the tractors.
15:15 asciilifeform 'A 24-year-old man from Portland, Oregon, used a Tannerite explosion as a means of suicide. Officials indicated that on March 19, 2015, the man parked his car along US Route 26 in a rural area near Mt. Hood and walked into nearby woods, where he detonated a "large quantity" of Tannerite with a .223 caliber rifle. The blast shattered trees and resulted in a crater two feet deep and ten feet wide.' << lol, the sheer wtf
15:15 asciilifeform why not simply eat the rifle.
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15:16 BingoBoingo Perhaps he held a deep resentment against the trees?
15:16 asciilifeform or not satisfied with lethality of .223!111
15:17 BingoBoingo Or did not want medical bill if .223 failed
15:17 asciilifeform http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2015/03/family_of_man_who_died_in_mt_h.html#incart_river << crater
15:19 ben_vulpes epic
15:19 ben_vulpes up there with the shotgun hat
15:20 asciilifeform but meanwhile, in the world of tardanology : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dutch-cops-bust-another-pgp-blackberry-company-for-alleged-money-laundering ( archive.is fails ! srsly the load-from-single-ip thing is monumentally retarded )
15:21 asciilifeform 'how to make'em use our tardano?' 'aha! idea! we'll arrest some derps 'for using it''
15:21 asciilifeform 'Since 2014, 34 Dutch investigations, including those involving attempted assassinations and international drug trafficking, have involved PGP phones, according to Politie. "Police and prosecutors have evidence that the main suspects knew their products and services primarily used by criminals for such offenses," the Politie announcement reads.'
15:21 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yOPEu/?raw=true << whole thing
15:24 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/ZcXW0ji.jpg << In other WTF
15:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i oughta explain -- the astonishing thing wasn't that ammonal exists ; or that the 2 basic ingredients are sold in shops ( they indeed are , worldwide ) but that the 'mix it yourself' juridicial loophole still holds anywhere in usa ( it appears to, in a few states, for the time being . )
15:28 asciilifeform remember, this was the country where a man got 20 yrs for being found with a shoelace and a semiauto
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15:29 asciilifeform ( 'could tie shoelace to trigger, like-so, and it'll auto!!'--prosecutor )
15:29 asciilifeform ianal but iirc the doctrine is called 'constructive possession'
15:30 asciilifeform and initially applied to folx who had contraband in a hiding place somewhere outside of own house
15:31 asciilifeform then, was extended, in the classic american pattern, to 'he owned an X? he owned a Y ? where X+Y is $contraband ? now we only gotta prove 'intent to add X+Y''
15:31 asciilifeform which is quite easy to do, 'six words of the honest man', etc.
15:34 asciilifeform https://archive.is/MQCwF << related. famous d00d who was abducted and sits in american prison for -- alleged -- 'intent'
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15:38 phf` http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654272 << recall shalamov's story of a man who killed himself by running (against all odds) into ammonal site
15:38 a111 Logged on 2017-05-10 19:15 asciilifeform: why not simply eat the rifle.
15:38 asciilifeform aha
15:48 mircea_popescu .223 makes for terrible suicide weapon.
15:49 mircea_popescu moreover, forest makes for terrible suicide location. if you're gonna off yourself, at least take some scum along.
15:49 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/
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16:39 phf` this DYSPEPSIA GENERATION is neat
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17:12 ben_vulpes https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2017/05/exploiting-linux-kernel-via-packet.html
17:13 phf` should've been written in Rust!
17:17 ben_vulpes the rust evangelism chatbot thanks you for your contribution, and awards you eleventy whuffie
17:19 ben_vulpes you may now proceed to quest 3 in the Infiltrate TMSR~ saga: write a patch demonstrating rust interop with TRB
17:29 phf` i'm rewriting everything that asciilifeform is releasing in Ada in Rust, because it's secure AND modern!
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17:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: privesc, snoar
17:46 asciilifeform speaking of 'c but with safety, really, believe!11' the original, 'd', apparently is in some sense alive! today : https://dlang.org
17:46 * asciilifeform had nfi
17:47 asciilifeform but, with, lol, llvm backend.
17:47 asciilifeform unsurprisingly.
17:47 asciilifeform ( was the original never openly published ? or simply dun work on anything today ? or wat. )
17:48 Framedragger i never got to really explore D, but vaguely recall the compiler not being / not relying on llvm some years ago
17:48 asciilifeform Framedragger: it was at one time a costly commercial beast
17:48 asciilifeform is in fact the biggest afaik reason it never caught on
17:48 Framedragger author made strong opinionated choices etc, was interesting iirc
17:49 Framedragger asciilifeform: orly, commercial? hah ok, didn't know
17:50 asciilifeform iirc payware until 2014.
17:51 Framedragger ic. i fiddled with it around ~2009 i think. but maybe with some 'freeware' version or w/e.
17:51 asciilifeform official compiler opened... month ago?!
17:51 asciilifeform classic 'hey, it's finally dead AND rotten, we can open source it !!'
17:51 asciilifeform as seen with, e.g., mit lispm sources
17:52 Framedragger but the bootstrap website says that it's industry proven, has FB logo. MIXED SIGNALS
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18:17 asciilifeform the typical process is, at megacorp there in some dark closet labours a d00d with long beard who writes, e.g., a log daemon, in erlang. then it gets out and some crackpot www gets 'industry use!' logo.
18:20 asciilifeform http://www.digitalmars.com/shop.html << holy shit, still alive.
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18:54 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F3A60F20D434E905E2C706B7A1192144749F4FFC2ACA3EF3F60FA94EADAA35D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1353...1039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.243.130.109 (ssh-rsa key from 77.243.130.109 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK 83)
18:54 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F3A60F20D434E905E2C706B7A1192144749F4FFC2ACA3EF3F60FA94EADAA35D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1460...1303 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.243.130.109 (ssh-rsa key from 77.243.130.109 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK 83)
19:07 danielpbarron asciilifeform, did you send those tshirts?
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19:33 mod6 asciilifeform: ok, here goes, will re-submit now.
19:35 mod6 ok done. i copied the text down from the site, got good sig.
19:44 asciilifeform mod6: old comment zapped; new one emplaced
19:44 asciilifeform danielpbarron: holyfuck, no.
19:44 mod6 thanks!
19:44 * asciilifeform goes to load crate into car for tomorrow's trip to town
19:52 danielpbarron ok good. was starting to wonder if they got intercepted
20:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B312256C2F4DA833B050D122ED8C59C76D800FEA9464FCF405F95A96E579FF30 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1686...5079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.254.202.19 (ssh-rsa key from 66.254.202.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns2.t6wireless.com. US)
20:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B312256C2F4DA833B050D122ED8C59C76D800FEA9464FCF405F95A96E579FF30 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...2857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.254.202.19 (ssh-rsa key from 66.254.202.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns2.t6wireless.com. US)
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22:51 mod6 wb
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23:22 mircea_popescu ty!
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