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00:34 mircea_popescu !!up xhiggy
00:34 deedbot xhiggy voiced for 30 minutes.
00:42 xhiggy anyone here?
00:47 ben_vulpes 37 seconds from join to up, just shy of two minutes from up to first line, ~same from first line to quit
00:58 mircea_popescu heh
01:00 mircea_popescu canadians.
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07:39 mircea_popescu "* A race condition flaw was found in the N_HLDC Linux kernel driver when accessing n_hdlc.tbuf list that can lead to double free. A local, unprivileged user able to set the HDLC line discipline on the tty device could use this flaw to increase their privileges on the system. (CVE-2017-2636, Important)"
07:39 mircea_popescu did we do this ?
07:49 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i don't think so, and i thought about linking this, too heh (need to update/patch kernels if they are < 4.5)
07:49 Framedragger it's great fun!
07:50 mircea_popescu real men don't multiuser linux boxes.
07:50 Framedragger ohno wait this is something else.. i was planning to link https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2016-10229
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07:50 Framedragger << this one *does* apply to everyone < 4.5 i think
07:50 Framedragger multibugs for multiusers
07:51 Framedragger (the latter is a proper RCE)
07:54 Framedragger ^ fuckload of android sheep affected. did i hear, 'another internet survey?'
07:56 mircea_popescu heh
07:57 trinque All those pnojes will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
07:57 mircea_popescu they support the last flimsy pretense of public participation, you realise. about half the general population is functionally illiterate, will spend all their social time inthe day clucking at the things for literal lack of alternative options.
07:58 Framedragger trinque: sounds like a line from a text based adventure game :)
07:58 Framedragger ahh blade runner
07:58 trinque did they make one? it was Blade Runner, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep in tree form
07:58 mircea_popescu the options died because of the classical giant-sits-in-chair. in the decade intervening, bars went out of business, and people who knew how to run a bar moved on. it's not like the sheeple will raise up and RECONSTRUCT THE PUB.
07:58 Framedragger ah nice.
07:58 mircea_popescu so, once they go into the night, that's it. 4 concrete walls.
08:07 mircea_popescu same model repeating itself over and over and over again. oh, the ancient world where slave talked to woman talked to husband talked to headsman talked to senator was humiliating and inequalitarian ? let's flatten it into a system where 1% talk to the senator (1000% increase over the 0.1% of yore!!11) and the rest talk into an empty takeout box. PROGRESS!!!1
08:08 mircea_popescu and besides, only terrorists would notice that moving from moderated but present inclusion of everyone towards absolutely exclusiuon of almost everyone is no fucking improvement in public access. what, comparisons ? RACIST!!1 thinking about things ?!!?!? MYSOGINY!!!11
08:08 mircea_popescu idiots.
08:09 trinque that trilema was one of the more world-altering ones for me, where you described that the hierarchial social model actually gave better odds for the lower branches to be heard. not that this by itself is the most important thing, but rather that look, sense works better for everyone because it is sense.
08:12 mircea_popescu yeah. see, in 1617 the clerk interesterd could go ask the peasants, and if nobody did it was ~an option~ of theirs, which they could remedy or alter. today, pollster is going to talk to peasant's phone which'll tell him moot is to be nytimes man of the year, and he'll call the observation that inexplicably hillary clinton had no support, polls notwithstanding, "Fake news". this is NO LONGER AN OPTION OF HIS.
08:12 mircea_popescu huge fucking loss in human control over human affairs, and meanwhile the idiots are sitting around worrying about "Evil ai". hey, guess what, you don't need the ai to fuck you over.
08:14 mircea_popescu somehow the fact that i can make the phones ( or solar panels, or fridges/cars/whateverelse) read absolutely anything i wish while the poor fuckers supposedly so represented have exactly 0 recourse and 0 alternative is of no concern ; meanwhile the deeply inept conclave of imbeciles is happy and patting each other on the back ebcause hey, they stole a botnet! worth 2-3mn ie nothing! IT WAS ALL WORTH IT!!11
08:14 mircea_popescu idiots, no more can be said, what.
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08:31 mircea_popescu back in 1938 THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJry0vhHj4 was a fucking thing. why ? i have no idea, because a black woman lost her fucking basket. who cares, what difference does it make ? i dunno, none that anyone can discern. NEvERTHELESS!!!!! there she is. she's there. with her stupid basket that only could possibly matter to her. yes, "and half a million black women entirely indistinguishable from her", but this as a
08:31 mircea_popescu natural fact not as an outside enforcement.
08:32 mircea_popescu today it's "here's a deck of representational trading cards, pick one to think you are, and we'll be reprersenting... the card!!! and therefore (?!?!?) you".
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08:33 mircea_popescu do you wanna be a kimkardashialladin or a meganfoxarrior ? or perhaps a transgenderogue ?
08:33 mircea_popescu deck's got it fucking all, max aoe, max dps, defense buff, you name it! and don't fucking go "wtf is all this dumb shit" because that's self-radicalizing!!11
08:36 mircea_popescu there's a rather tremendous difference between ella fitzgerald caring about her basket for no reason anyone could comprehend ; and a twentysomething pantsuided aide with 0 sexual experience and owing money coming up with "these are the four things THAT COULD BE, i spent a whole five minutes thinking through the "metaphysics" of "life" and this is what came out so therefore!1". yes, on their own devices people live lives that
08:36 mircea_popescu are bad literature. but there's a tremendous difference between letting them do just that and trying to force them to act in your badly written, tendentious bit of fanfic (with bowdlerized bits lifted from shakespeare and mark twain, just like the sad bits of processed fruit that made their way in your granola).
08:37 mircea_popescu and this is how i'll end up hittign the rum at six in the fucking morning.
08:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642778 << who the fuck sets MSG_PEEK flag and why
08:45 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 11:50 Framedragger: ohno wait this is something else.. i was planning to link https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2016-10229
08:45 mircea_popescu koch.
08:45 asciilifeform where?
08:45 mircea_popescu guess why.
08:45 mircea_popescu i'm using the name to represent the corruption. you know who sets it, usg agents set it. and for the obvious why.
08:45 asciilifeform i dun recall koch calling recv() ever
08:45 asciilifeform lolk
08:46 asciilifeform but i sat down and tried to answer concrete q, who and where sets it, so far found 0 examples in anything asciilifeform used or would use
08:47 mircea_popescu eh, as long as it gets people on the new kernel. it's good for them.
08:47 asciilifeform Framedragger do you happen to know of one ?
08:57 trinque asciilifeform: https://github.com/craSH/socat/blob/master/xio-udp.c#L220 << appears socat does
08:58 mircea_popescu nice find. apparently that's the ONLY thing on all github that does.
08:59 asciilifeform lol!!
08:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-05#1397434
08:59 a111 Logged on 2016-02-05 21:54 ascii_butugychag: '“I cannot for sure rule out the possibility of a backdoor,” said Gerhard Rieger, a Socat maintainer. “But personally I do not believe that the contributor has a backdoor because he uses an email address at a well known and reputated company, and if someone wants to install such a backdoor he would not use a parameter that can easily be proven as non prime.”'
09:00 mircea_popescu aha. socat, what more do oyu need.
09:00 asciilifeform + http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-05#1397436 .
09:00 a111 Logged on 2016-02-05 21:55 ascii_butugychag: 'A post to a technical forum discovered that the non-prime parameter was introduced more than a year ago. A note in the commit indicates that Socat was not working in FIPS mode because it requires a 1024 Diffie-Hellman prime, and added that a developer named Zhiang Wang provided a patch with the new prime. The poster revealed that Wang works at Oracle and contributes to Socat.'
09:01 asciilifeform anybody here have a massive gentoo tarball mirror ? try searching for MSG_PEEK ?
09:01 mircea_popescu just did. 3 hits on socat.
09:01 asciilifeform and no other? same here.
09:01 mircea_popescu hence my comment above.
09:01 asciilifeform or rather, 0 here
09:01 asciilifeform i dun have socat
09:02 mircea_popescu no, but lots of usg-tronic "corporations" do.
09:03 mircea_popescu fucking useless chinese names btw. gotta start requiring serial numbers from them folk, i betcha there's 10`000 "zhiang wang" s
09:03 mircea_popescu and besides, they all spell it randomly.
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09:23 Framedragger asciilifeform: i dunno who uses it, either, and why would it be used. it's kind of "remind me about this later" feature, pretty weird/useless
09:25 Framedragger hm. are there cases when the program would be like, "i don't have resources to handle this, later", in some embedded/realtime/low-resource context
09:25 Framedragger prolly no cases where you couldn't use something saner instead?
09:28 Framedragger you can get the length of incoming message by other means than just reading it into the buffer (through ioctl or w/e)
09:28 Framedragger so hm good point, pretty retarded
09:32 asciilifeform gotta wonder, the folx who signed off on the fix -- why they are silent ? why linus - silent
09:33 asciilifeform could say the truth, in theory, 'only used in socat, inserted by wrecker'
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09:35 Framedragger what are they supposed to say? that this is socat-specific? because it's not
09:35 asciilifeform Framedragger: as far as i can tell -- it is
09:36 asciilifeform also for some reason silence re authorship of the overflow..
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09:37 Framedragger maybe it is.. someone could be using it to get buffer length (folx exist who ask 'so how do i use MSG_PEEK for this...')
09:37 asciilifeform kernel is not vtronic, naturally, but linus dun take patches from thin air, they all have names attached
09:37 Framedragger can't you use `git blame` to find out the latter?
09:37 asciilifeform Framedragger: possibly
09:37 Framedragger and commits in linux are pgp-signed, not just "ok"d
09:38 asciilifeform Framedragger: so far nobody's turned it up anywhere but in socat
09:38 Framedragger there is that.
09:40 Framedragger i can find it elsewhere, too, but small/stupid projects
09:40 Framedragger !~google site:github.com "MSG_PEEK"
09:40 jhvh1 Framedragger: recv MSG_PEEK flag ignored · Issue #4586 · kripken/emscripten ...: <https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/issues/4586>; MSG_PEEK capability · Issue #551 · ARMmbed/mbedtls · GitHub: <https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/551>; hiboma/ MSG_PEEK .md at master · hiboma/hiboma · GitHub: <https://github.com/hiboma/hiboma/blob/master/kernel/net/MSG_PEEK.md>
09:44 Framedragger asciilifeform: actually i can see some rationale. checking that socat source and that line (https://github.com/craSH/socat/blob/master/xio-udp.c#L220), if you check the definition of buff1, it's `char[1]`.
09:45 Framedragger it seems to use MSG_PEEK to check info on the connected peer (and drop it if need be), and by using this, it can avoid allocating additional memory to take in whole buffer
09:46 Framedragger i guess you could also do `recv(&one_byte_buffer)` and then later `recv(&larger_buffer)`, too; but their use at least makes some sense to me. imho.
09:46 asciilifeform Framedragger: this is foolish, you're reading the packet regardless
09:46 Framedragger (sure, data comes in to network card's buffer anyway)
09:46 asciilifeform it doesn't save memory.
09:47 asciilifeform it is the exact equivalent of an older idiocy, ungetc()
09:47 Framedragger it saves program-internal memory, but the card itself reads in the data regardless, sure.
09:47 Framedragger asciilifeform: hah, omg i've only heard about this and checking now, even the description is lulzy. "put stuff back into stream"
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09:48 asciilifeform Framedragger: it saves no memory of any sort
09:48 Framedragger yeah i see what you mean. ultimately it's bullshit/snakeoil. i was just saying that ~some~ sense was had (but you'll prolly deny even that - fair enough)
09:48 asciilifeform does same thing as normal recv(), except for clearing the buffer.
09:48 asciilifeform so packet can be (why?!) read twice.
09:48 asciilifeform no, no sense.
09:48 Framedragger yeah i know i know, ultimately pointless
09:49 Framedragger hm i guess you don't save *any* memory, i can see why
09:50 Framedragger you read in to a fixed size buffer and then discard info/connection if need be. they're pretending to be 'only reading one byte' but it's the kernel which chops off one byte from the rest of the packet
09:51 asciilifeform still 'crediting the empire', eh, Framedragger .
09:51 asciilifeform 'but there's GOTTA be a valid reason!!1'
09:51 asciilifeform nope. there never is.
09:52 Framedragger i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
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09:53 Framedragger also there is an easy habit to slip into by which you start discarding any things a priori. (mp-emulator: that's not a bad thing(tm))
09:56 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642864 << just for context/posterity, i meant ungetc() here, what a load of crap
09:56 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 13:47 Framedragger: asciilifeform: hah, omg i've only heard about this and checking now, even the description is lulzy. "put stuff back into stream"
09:58 asciilifeform Framedragger: fwiw i read the manpage prior to 'this is liquishit, there is 0 possible justification, it is exactly same as ungetc()'
09:59 asciilifeform i dun do the a priori thing. ( it may seem that way, because it does not ever take asciilifeform very long to distinguish flies from cutlets. but this comes from experience, and from flies and cutlets generally looking nothing alike. )
09:59 Framedragger re manpage, thanks for educating me, as always - yeah ok it's the same thing
10:05 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/04/13/bundling-with-foxybot/ << Ossasepia - Bundling with Foxybot
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11:23 asciilifeform in other lulz, look which muppet is back in business : https://archive.is/31IH2
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11:27 asciilifeform ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-12#974526 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-12#974650 )
11:27 a111 Logged on 2015-01-12 18:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoin_charlie didn't you make a plea bargain ?
11:27 a111 Logged on 2015-01-12 19:41 pete_dushenski: so bitcoin_charlie what brings you by on this sunny day ?
11:30 asciilifeform in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and
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11:30 asciilifeform steadfast liberal voices, regularly siding with vulnerable parties -- the poor, impoverished ... '
11:45 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642876 << this is not unlike the "rich man must be sad" trope, could instead take pleasure in the way one keeps his cranial house.
11:45 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 13:52 Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
11:45 ben_vulpes every single spiderweb does not get its own trial
11:45 ben_vulpes here's a vacuum cleaner, get to work
11:47 * Framedragger sees point.
11:52 asciilifeform in other lulz, apparently there is NOT a standard way to grep inside tar.gz.
11:52 asciilifeform ( zgrep only greps inside the unzipped tar, producing, e.g., '/usr/portage/distfiles/foo.tar.gz:Binary file (standard input) matches' and dun work on bz2 .
11:53 asciilifeform )
11:53 asciilifeform infuriating idiocy.
11:53 asciilifeform orc glyphs, gender commits -- as many as you want. useful everyday tools -- none. not since, say, 1995.
11:54 doppler why not use a pipeline?
11:54 asciilifeform doppler: elaborate
11:54 trinque yup, can untar to stdout
11:54 doppler gunzip | tar | grep
11:54 trinque I'd do it through find for multiple files
11:54 doppler yeah
11:55 asciilifeform and how about bz2 ?
11:55 trinque flag to tar
11:55 trinque j
11:56 trinque oh right, I mean the bash solution gets hairier from there
11:56 * trinque backs away slowly
11:56 asciilifeform it gets exponentially uglier.
12:03 asciilifeform doppler, trinque : the pipe method loses the filename in which the match was found
12:03 doppler yeah, I'm working on that now
12:03 asciilifeform e.g., tar xvfz cmake-2.8.10.2.tar.gz --to-stdout | grep -H MSG_PEEK > liquishit.txt
12:03 asciilifeform you get:
12:03 asciilifeform (standard input):#ifdef MSG_PEEK
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12:03 asciilifeform (standard input): (RECV_TYPE_ARG3)1, (RECV_TYPE_ARG4)MSG_PEEK) == 0) {
12:03 doppler this sort of works -> http://stackoverflow.com/a/2407231
12:03 doppler they get the file index, and then grep each file separately
12:04 asciilifeform sounds miserably slow
12:04 doppler yeah probably
12:04 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WfMq7/?raw=true << preliminary list of infected packages, from a well-used gentoo box
12:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu , trinque , Framedragger , et al ^
12:04 asciilifeform and this is ONLY .tar.gz
12:05 asciilifeform there are also bz2, which i have not tested (zgrep dun work on'em)
12:05 doppler if you just want match then it's easy, as you said
12:05 doppler don't need zgrep
12:05 asciilifeform i want the motherfucking filenames and lines.
12:05 trinque musl's probably defining the thing in net.h or w/e it was
12:08 asciilifeform and hah, bzgrep exists
12:08 shinohai today is the 13th (Maundy Thrursday); There are now 13 Lords.
12:08 Framedragger asciilifeform: neat
12:08 Framedragger pkg-config, oh good
12:08 shinohai Tjis could be a sign of imminent apocalypse
12:08 asciilifeform Framedragger: not all of the hits are actual real-life invocations
12:09 asciilifeform but we won't know until we have a proper search
12:09 trinque aha, asciilifeform, musl defines the flag only, in include/sys/socket.h:262
12:09 ben_vulpes openssl, surprise
12:11 trinque crypto/bio/bss_dgram.c has several invocations with recvmsg
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12:12 asciilifeform i'ma guess that mircea_popescu was grepping compressed tarballs with plain grep and naturally found nothing.
12:12 asciilifeform (i initially did same, when waking up)
12:13 asciilifeform naturally all versions of gcc match ( they gotta, they have the header in'em -- snore )
12:14 * asciilifeform marvels at the 'respectable kompooter sekoority community' today doing 10,000,001 things, none of them being THIS
12:14 BingoBoingo <Framedragger> i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary << There's more than one psychological alternative. Why do you automatically go to the worst case?
12:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu , trinque , Framedragger , et al : part 2 : the bz2 search : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iJwoo/?raw=true
12:15 Framedragger BingoBoingo: i smell bile and i hate that taste. but possibly i am misconstruing things (i.e., not actual bile in #t)
12:16 asciilifeform ( bzgrep MSG_PEEK ..... )
12:17 trinque dhcpcd << lol
12:17 Framedragger xchat.. RCE on irc users heh
12:17 BingoBoingo Framedragger: Bile serves a useful function. Without bile you become a cardiac case, a hangry hangry hamplanet.
12:17 asciilifeform gentlemen, start yer engines, perlists, awkists.
12:18 asciilifeform gotta get the line matches, with context (say, 5 up / 5 down from match.) could qntra it.
12:18 Framedragger need to start thinking about internetcensus2012 reboot, i tell ya
12:19 BingoBoingo Framedragger: You simply have to have a healthy bile cycle, don't try to live without bile, but also don't try to hold it all in.
12:20 Framedragger that makes sense :) circulation is the keyword i suppose
12:24 Framedragger asciilifeform: busy at work unfortunately but would be a good effort, yeah
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12:47 asciilifeform now, not all of these invocations are of recv() for udp. most -- tcp.
12:48 asciilifeform (still retarded, as discussed earlier, but won't trigger this particular boobytrap)
12:49 asciilifeform sadly there is no automatic means to discover which of the proggies contain exploitable invocations, other than with hard grindstone sweat (or usg's automated tool!1111)
12:56 asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14105718 ( https://archive.is/nmX2h ) << witness the unsurprising chorus : 'nobody used it! NOBODY! shuddup terrorist'
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12:57 mod6 testing out this first fg here.
12:57 asciilifeform mod6: oh hey
12:57 asciilifeform mod6: works ?
12:58 mod6 im using gentoo, having a hard time figuring out which usb device the one. i suspect that it's /dev/tty1 but lsusb doesn't exist on this box.
12:58 asciilifeform it will never be tty1
12:59 mod6 it ~does~ power on though
12:59 asciilifeform will be, in all likelihood, /dev/ttyUSBn
12:59 asciilifeform where n is 0...9
12:59 asciilifeform (depending on how many other ttl dongles you have)
12:59 asciilifeform check dmesg after plugging in, it will be clearly visible.
12:59 asciilifeform then you can the the stty thing from the instructions.
12:59 mod6 werd.
13:00 asciilifeform (unfortunately NO unixlike sets 8bit cleanliness by default, afaik)
13:00 Framedragger via that HN post, https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=recvfrom+.*+MSG_PEEK
13:00 Framedragger ^ could be useful
13:00 asciilifeform Framedragger: it seems to find strictly 1) glibc 2) quake (?!)
13:01 * Framedragger tried fg last weekend, was all good, (very) small sample (2.7MB) had 7.999936 bits of entropy per byte. but yet to test more thoroughly, including removing shields, etc.
13:01 asciilifeform Framedragger: recommended sample size is 1GB
13:02 Framedragger asciilifeform: nah if you iterate thru pages will be other packages as well
13:02 mod6 dmesg says 'usb 3-2' for this guy.
13:02 Framedragger asciilifeform: that's why i didn't wave around with the result :) yeah need to do more testing for sure.
13:03 asciilifeform Framedragger: dieharder in particular loops around . (why ? because customary bit-poverty)
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13:03 asciilifeform mod6: ls /dev/ttyUSB* gives you what ?
13:03 mod6 no, i have no /dev/ttyUSB devices at all.
13:04 asciilifeform hot damn, you found one of those linuxen with no pl2303 support ?!
13:04 mod6 which is kinda weird, because i hvae a usb keyboard too
13:04 asciilifeform or do you have module loading disabled ?
13:04 asciilifeform (if you do, you will have to compile pl2303 into the kernel)
13:04 mod6 ah, hmm. ok.
13:05 Framedragger asciilifeform: ah, only glibc etc if "recvfrom" in keywords, you're right. but if only "recv" (https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=recv+.*+MSG_PEEK&page=1), then lots of results
13:05 Framedragger (it's possible that bug isn't triggered if you only recv(), not recvfrom(), but i didn't look into it to confirm)
13:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642842 << they misperceive the cost of not saying so ; as well as the cost of saying so. why's girl in highschool not say "i hate these dumbass girls who claim they're my friends and absolutely like you" ? because human nature.
13:12 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 13:33 asciilifeform: could say the truth, in theory, 'only used in socat, inserted by wrecker'
13:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see continuation of thread
13:17 mircea_popescu will.
13:18 asciilifeform Framedragger et al : bzgrep -E 'recvfrom.*MSG_PEEK' /usr/portage/distfiles/*.tar.bz2; zgrep -E 'recvfrom.*MSG_PEEK' /usr/portage/distfiles/*.tar.gz; zgrep -E 'recvfrom.*MSG_PEEK' /usr/portage/distfiles/*.tgz
13:19 Framedragger asciilifeform: btw udp_recvmsg() is the kernel-internal function which is vulnerable. need to check callstack of recvfrom() vs recv(), possibly only recvfrom() is vulnerable (thereby reducing set of exposed programs greatly). otherwise even more funtimes.
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13:19 Framedragger ah nice ^
13:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642845 << that is misunderstood esprit de corps. it's visible when child does something stupid, gets punished for it, and mother shows up at school to protest ~the punishment~. the fact her son does stupid shit does not bother her -- on the contrary, she knows where he got that from, which knowledge fills her of joy and hope for the future. perhaps if she insists the dumb will inherit the ea
13:21 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 13:36 asciilifeform: also for some reason silence re authorship of the overflow..
13:21 mircea_popescu rth ?
13:21 mircea_popescu school should punish HER, of course.
13:21 * mircea_popescu run highschool would have pillory for inept mothers, with topless zebra'd milfs there present almost every day.
13:22 asciilifeform lol zebra
13:25 Framedragger huh gdb's `bt` is not giving me backtrace. i put a breakpoint on recvfrom(), it got called and everything, and `bt` gives me squat. compiled with debug symbols. go back to school framedragger
13:25 mircea_popescu o.O
13:25 mircea_popescu this is a new one.
13:25 Framedragger is just me i'm sure
13:25 mircea_popescu you must be doing something creative.
13:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642876 << which adult strikes you as fulla bile ?
13:26 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 13:52 Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
13:26 Framedragger "custom shitty udp program" probably fits the bill
13:27 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i dare not say, it's more of an emergent effect, a piece from one, a piece of another, and you get a log full o' it
13:27 mircea_popescu is that so ? hm.
13:27 Framedragger only to an extent, and as BingoBoingo said, circulation. tide goes in, tide goes out
13:28 mircea_popescu who knows these things.
13:28 Framedragger i'm hangover af after $party, everything is black currently (doesn't happen often, tbh)
13:28 mircea_popescu lol fulla bile after party ?
13:28 mircea_popescu or wait, bile's green is it.
13:29 Framedragger fulla set of different liquids
13:29 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642721 << you mean to tell me that you're culturing some weird population on your floss and then rubbing that all over delicate, highly permeable mucous membranes wired directly to your brain?
13:29 a111 Logged on 2017-04-12 21:58 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642660 << i don't use mouthwash, brush and floss once a day (with regular non vibrating brush, and i reuse the floss untill it splits apart or breaks) -- hadn't been to the dentist in over 8 years; went in last year and they tell me my teeth are in great shape considering, although i did have to get some cavities fixed (mostly in wisdom teeth which is expected. and yes i still have my wisdom teeth
13:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642884 << lolz. camp fed fellow, expert in usg-bitcoin issues and items of interest ? mmkay.
13:30 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 15:23 asciilifeform: in other lulz, look which muppet is back in business : https://archive.is/31IH2
13:30 asciilifeform Framedragger, mircea_popescu , et al : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/N9Eir/?raw=true << zgrep -E 'recvfrom.*MSG_PEEK' ... ( and bzgrep ...) from several gentoo boxen here. i even found one with -- lol -- socat
13:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nothing's "wired directly to brain" wtf are you on about.
13:31 Framedragger asciilifeform: nice, and seems realistic!
13:31 asciilifeform wtf is it doing in awk.
13:31 mircea_popescu those gcc matches.
13:32 mircea_popescu /usr/portage/distfiles/gcc-3.3.6.tar.bz2:Binary file (standard input) matches
13:32 mircea_popescu /usr/portage/distfiles/gcc-4.3.6.tar.bz2:Binary file (standard input) matches
13:32 mircea_popescu and then every gcc subsequent.
13:32 doppler uuudsaudas
13:32 doppler whoops. :(
13:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no shit it's in gcc. headers.
13:32 ben_vulpes length of plumbing lines from gums and nasal membranes to brain ispretty short
13:32 mircea_popescu do you not have the rest of the 3.* tree asciilifeform ?
13:32 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes they're not plumbing lines. there is such a thing as brain-blood barrier.
13:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not on running disk, they live on cd somewhere
13:33 mircea_popescu aha
13:33 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it is a thing ben_vulpes is baseline familiar with, believe it or not!
13:33 ben_vulpes did we ever do the "brain parasite from flushing sinuses with not-entirely-clean-water" thread?
13:33 mircea_popescu no. let's ?
13:34 asciilifeform ahahahaha guess what
13:34 asciilifeform gawk has proper invocation, exploitable
13:35 asciilifeform in socketopen()
13:35 * asciilifeform had nfi that any awktron knew how to open sockets.
13:35 ben_vulpes why does gawk even socket?
13:35 trinque by now I assume the g prepended means "shit bolted to side"
13:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642888 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500604 in which vein, let me guess, this is because black, yes ? not because pantsuited, middle aged woman ?
13:35 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 15:30 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and
13:35 a111 Logged on 2016-07-10 01:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500575 << let me guess, this is really the washington-thinktank-gendarmerie plan getting rid of those pesky washington-local-thinktanks ? plan proceeding according to plan ?
13:35 mircea_popescu tremble, bitches, because you will end up floating on the fucking river. all of youze.
13:35 asciilifeform tightvnc -- ditto
13:36 asciilifeform recvfrom(....MSG_PEEK
13:36 Framedragger nice.
13:36 mircea_popescu trinque that's accurate, actually. "shit improved by the radical communist branch of usg". a sort of "Bitcoin foundation" avant la lettre, "GNu the african antelope".
13:38 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tap-water-in-neti-pots-behind-two-brain-eating-amoeba-deaths-in-2011-investigation-finds/
13:39 mircea_popescu how is this supporting "Sinus flushing" as opposed to, i dunno, "used to wash up pre anal sex" ?
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13:39 asciilifeform and hey hey hey lbj!!
13:40 trinque asciilifeform having a great day over here; what bile?
13:40 asciilifeform there's a recvfrom(...MSG_PEEK...) in apr.
13:40 asciilifeform y'know, it : http://apr.apache.org/docs/apr/1.5/group__apr__network__io.html
13:40 asciilifeform cleverly disguised, also, it doesn't specifically mention datagram.
13:40 asciilifeform anyone who uses apr, and works on datagram socket, gets nailed.
13:40 asciilifeform this is discussed afaik nowhere. but now -- here.
13:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642916 << actually can coax grep to properly recognize "multifile" by adding a /dev/null at end
13:41 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 16:03 asciilifeform: (standard input):#ifdef MSG_PEEK
13:41 mircea_popescu nfi why it thinks deluge from pile is single file, but anyway.
13:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it dun do any good for searching in tars.
13:42 mircea_popescu tar xvfz cmake-2.8.10.2.tar.gz --to-stdout | grep -H "MSG_PEEK" /dev/null > liquishit.txt
13:42 asciilifeform and of course it thinks 'single file', it's presently the only known way to grep in a tar.gz.
13:42 mircea_popescu try it.
13:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: null result
13:42 mircea_popescu oh tar. doh.
13:42 asciilifeform aha!
13:43 mircea_popescu so detar it also!
13:43 asciilifeform it's what i ended up doing.
13:43 Framedragger (meanwhile gdb is "Target does not support branch tracing." (cpu doesn't support one way to do this; it's an i5; omg)
13:43 asciilifeform (took fucking forever)
13:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, i recall having sed crash on me last week. "tools". zamac 100% quality guaranteed.
13:44 mircea_popescu Framedragger get better wintel!!1 ?
13:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't possibly be the first to ever try to search inside a dir of tarballs. srsly, 0 support?!
13:45 Framedragger wtf apparently server with xeon cores doesn't support it, either?
13:45 mircea_popescu you're not deserving. either of you.
13:45 mircea_popescu now if you were poor and "from a needy family" or however "two idiots had kids" is doublespoken today...
13:45 mircea_popescu i would be authorized to give you a sandwich.
13:45 mircea_popescu and pee mcnuggets.
13:46 asciilifeform Framedragger: i dun recall it ever working.
13:46 asciilifeform other than with intel's magic probe box.
13:46 * Framedragger retires to pig farm
13:46 asciilifeform lulzily enough, asciilifeform ~has the box~ -- but 0 software for it, it never leaked. box turned out to contain empty fpga.
13:47 asciilifeform so of 0 use, unless somebody gets hold of the magic proggy.
13:47 Framedragger heh.
13:47 mircea_popescu dude what are you talking about i/we use gdb all the time to trace
13:47 Framedragger asciilifeform: would gdb be able to run on it, tho? with `record btrace`? just curious
13:48 asciilifeform Framedragger: nope and nope, intel's thing only works with their shitware
13:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he wasn't trying for ordinary trace
13:48 asciilifeform but for 'record all jumps'
13:48 Framedragger mircea_popescu: function call history for c proggy? i prolly am doing sth horribly wrong, tho
13:48 mircea_popescu ah i guess oh. turns out ~i~ was doing some creative reading.
13:48 Framedragger bah.
13:49 mircea_popescu Framedragger something like "backtrace full" ?
13:49 mircea_popescu or could do backtrace full n to limit to n frames.
13:49 mircea_popescu but basically ctrl-c bt will print out the whole strack, one line per frame. if that's what you wanted ?
13:50 Framedragger full n gave me nothing but i'll recheck again
13:50 mircea_popescu you are running this in gdb yes ?
13:50 Framedragger yeah
13:50 asciilifeform Framedragger: https://archive.is/qEQNe << likbez
13:50 Framedragger i sorta did want 'any and all jumps' but should be enough for now maybe
13:50 Framedragger mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ty
13:51 mircea_popescu yeah, that's not actually available. i doubt even intewl thing ever worked as advertised (which is the true explanation of the rarity)
13:51 mircea_popescu it is a more difficult taks than immediately apparent.
13:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc it worked by cordoning off a portion of l0/1 caches to use as trace record
13:52 asciilifeform (and to store whatever else that dun fit in the standard debug regs)
13:52 mircea_popescu which works for fixed length tree ? ookayt.
13:52 mircea_popescu hm.
13:52 asciilifeform well of course fixed, how else.
13:52 mircea_popescu well so then what use it is ? as per alfism, not reliable, worse than useless!!1
13:53 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642939 << bwahahaha.
13:53 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 16:11 trinque: crypto/bio/bss_dgram.c has several invocations with recvmsg
13:53 asciilifeform it's as reliable as the box it was slaved to, signalled when the bucked filled, to go and empty.
13:53 asciilifeform but again i don't have a working set of box+proggy. only box and manuals.
13:54 asciilifeform ( also note, rarely is anyone interested in ALL possible branches in ALL of ram -- typically you want some particular set. )
13:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642960 <<< yeah, it's quite evidently usg burning one of their few remaining good exploits once they finally figured out it was leaked and used by republican interest.
13:55 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 16:56 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14105718 ( https://archive.is/nmX2h ) << witness the unsurprising chorus : 'nobody used it! NOBODY! shuddup terrorist'
13:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642982 << such lulz that thing. really, looping over the entropy ?
13:58 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 17:03 asciilifeform: Framedragger: dieharder in particular loops around . (why ? because customary bit-poverty)
13:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you'll also love how it is done because... prngs sometimes PASS when you do this (how ? idk)
13:59 mircea_popescu in any event i am looking forward to the princeton paper providing the original research of "shit we read on #trilema that we came up with ourselves shut up terrorist!!1"
13:59 mircea_popescu perhaps it'll be stanford or mit or "another" meaningless head of the same turd of agglomerated stupidity though. for flavour.
14:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: per the tards' internal logic -- 'we burned the vuln -- we own the tendrils'
14:00 asciilifeform pretty sure that they earnestly see it like this.
14:01 asciilifeform also i have difficulty picturing enemy burning a hole without having ready replacement.
14:01 asciilifeform (dun mean it's impossible.)
14:09 mircea_popescu o, you mean like they obsoleted the only remaining useful us plane without having as much as a proper paper replacement for it ?
14:09 mircea_popescu yeah, i see it.
14:09 asciilifeform waiwat
14:09 asciilifeform warthog is actually gone nao ?
14:09 mircea_popescu !#s warthog
14:09 a111 14 results for "warthog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog
14:09 asciilifeform iirc it was spared, last-minute.
14:09 mircea_popescu no, but they ~obsoleted~ it. the trick is that in physical engineering you are allowed backsies.
14:13 asciilifeform the lulzy bit re pwnholes is that they are a renewable resource: every major version of ~everything introduces a few dozen new ones.
14:14 asciilifeform the almost forcible induction of gendercommitters, wimminzintech, etc. mushminds into open sores -- tops off the supply of deniable, 'free-range, organically grown' liquishit
14:15 mircea_popescu except teh terrorists don't upgrade.
14:15 mircea_popescu end up with the same three herbivores on iphone.
14:15 asciilifeform if only
14:16 asciilifeform megatonnes of 'internet of shit' boxen hanging around, unpatchably.
14:16 asciilifeform ( the various 'buried in cement' routers, modems, etc. exhibited in phuctor , say . )
14:16 asciilifeform they're the intended victim, much of the time.
14:17 mircea_popescu who was the anodyne condolezza rice clone that was doing "revolutionizing" ukraina and failed so spectacularily ?
14:17 asciilifeform psaki ?
14:17 mircea_popescu i confess i have trouble retaioning the names of all these c list starlets
14:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah
14:18 asciilifeform in other lulz, bitbet.us '...is no more, for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4'
14:18 mircea_popescu o btw, no more visa free travel in eu for ustards.
14:18 asciilifeform ( http://archive.is/fJuR7 << expert entomologists only ! )
14:19 asciilifeform '...for all the bad rep Mircea Popescu gets (trolling, narcissist and an asshole in general), his websites are trustworthy, never been hacked and works.' << lel
14:20 asciilifeform 'Also on #bitcoin-assets, but that place is very toxic. People on #bitcoin-assets probably have info about bitbet.us, but they aren't quite sane, so be careful.' << lolx2
14:22 mircea_popescu oh what the fuck was her name.
14:23 mircea_popescu dumb bitch, kept trying to push "orange revolution" angle and whatnot, 30 years out of date.
14:24 Framedragger tymoshenko?
14:24 mircea_popescu o look at that -- wikipedia page re "orange revolution" includes no verbiage of usg involvement ; mentions vaguely "russian nationalist groups".
14:24 mircea_popescu Framedragger nah, us citizen, dept of state aparatchick.
14:24 Framedragger ah, ok interesting heh
14:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sorta the whole point in even having pediwikia -- so that they can have this.
14:25 mircea_popescu just about, yes.
14:27 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642997 << lulzy: http://www.ecsl.cs.sunysb.edu/elibrary/linux/network/udprecv.pdf diligently follows path of recvfrom() and the likes, *quotes the lines around the bug*, but fails to notice anything bad. if you didn't know, it'd be a very nuanced thing showing that the monk is not actually a good monk
14:27 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 17:19 Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw udp_recvmsg() is the kernel-internal function which is vulnerable. need to check callstack of recvfrom() vs recv(), possibly only recvfrom() is vulnerable (thereby reducing set of exposed programs greatly). otherwise even more funtimes.
14:32 mod6 nice. all of the basic tests passed.
14:32 mod6 on to the advanced tests.
14:32 asciilifeform congrats mod6
14:33 mod6 thanks alf, looking good!
14:33 asciilifeform mod6: stty thing worked without problems ?
14:33 asciilifeform ( i must point out, if it doesn't , you may not get any warning, other than idiot linux kernel silently dropping bytes, e.g. 0x03 )
14:34 mod6 naw, I gave up on gentoo for the time being, and just used a old deb build machine i've got laying around.
14:34 mod6 worked straight away.
14:34 asciilifeform it has to be done on all known unixlikes.
14:34 asciilifeform default is a non-8bitclean tty.
14:34 asciilifeform why -- ask the wreckers, not me.
14:34 mod6 the profile i had on that gentoo machine was 'default/linux/amd64/13.0/nomultilib' and i think it was just an uber basic kernel
14:35 asciilifeform where did mod6 get the idea that this was a gentoo-specific thing ?
14:35 asciilifeform because it isn't
14:35 mod6 i don't have that notion. just saying, that this one didn't abide.
14:35 mod6 was the first box i tried.
14:36 mod6 i may give some other boxen a try here at some point too. got a handfull of gentoo boxes, freebsd, openbsd, etc.
14:37 mod6 anyway, am now collecting the fg.bin upto 1Gb.
14:38 mircea_popescu o btw, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-05#1155360 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634156 for the record.
14:38 a111 Logged on 2015-06-05 18:36 mircea_popescu: "[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend’s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above
14:38 a111 Logged on 2017-03-29 17:50 mircea_popescu: not for a fucking second. he is enabling the misbehaviour of 30yo children. i gotta do more work bitchlapping these idiot cunts into the ground because he buys them food and doesn't makle them pay for the shiot they break.
14:38 mircea_popescu and in other lulz : http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-protests-carefully-orchestrated-the-role-of-canvas-us-financed-color-revolution-training-group/5369906
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14:38 mircea_popescu (apparently dept of state running out of funds, reuse agitprop materiel)
14:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform victoria nuland!
14:38 asciilifeform aaah yes!
14:50 asciilifeform in related lulz, https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23225#efmAGIAHu
14:58 mircea_popescu well, sincd we're doing linking, http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22758-meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev
14:59 Framedragger AQ for al qaida?
14:59 mircea_popescu yea
14:59 Framedragger nice.
14:59 trinque further down named in full
15:04 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ << Trilema - In case you were wondering where all the worthless Nuland drones ended up
15:07 mircea_popescu (the link is particularly funny for the amounts. when it comes to turkey dollars, usg is really poor. 40k here, 10k there, 5k overages accounted for --- a far cry from the "we lost one trillion dollars in 100 bills that never existed" dept of war fare.)
15:20 mircea_popescu anyway, on meditation there's substance to Framedragger 's protest, though perhaps not the sort he'd like. the impulse to "generosity", ie unqualified giving is how people end up in trouble / how the whole mess was engineered in the first place. when you've two oxen yoked to the same cart and one's smaller, sickly and can't pull, some people will naturally have the correct reaction to whip it to death. others will naturaly ha
15:20 mircea_popescu ve the suicidal reaction to "try and help it", ruining carts and setting the world on fire in the process.
15:20 mircea_popescu tis what it is.
15:30 asciilifeform in other lulz, analytical balances have, apparently, come quite a long way since the days of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-19#1326780 : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/balance.jpg
15:30 a111 Logged on 2015-11-19 02:58 asciilifeform: had an analytical balance sold for use with diamonds and rare earths
15:31 mircea_popescu is that a -3 gram weight ?
15:31 asciilifeform lolno
15:31 mircea_popescu shows 6.77 with a 10g + item in ?
15:31 asciilifeform the weight is a test standard (for some reason the box came with 2, and 1 lives in a dedicated hole in the chassis)
15:31 mircea_popescu oh
15:32 mircea_popescu and does the test measure at 10.000 ?
15:32 asciilifeform in fact it does.
15:32 mircea_popescu impressive.
15:32 asciilifeform chinese thing, fiddybux.
15:32 asciilifeform fits in shirt pocket.
15:32 mircea_popescu what's it use ?
15:32 asciilifeform same piezo as everything else?
15:32 mircea_popescu performance piezo chinese make huh. nice.
15:33 asciilifeform now unlike the $maxint mettler, this thing probably dun have a thermo-compensator; or gravimeter
15:33 asciilifeform but it seems to do the job.
15:33 mircea_popescu yeah, but it has test weights. just as good.
15:34 asciilifeform what i wonder is -- what this thing was intended for.
15:34 asciilifeform 20g is too small for the dope aficionados, i imagine
15:34 asciilifeform ( 20g is max load on this instrument )
15:34 mircea_popescu no, actually 20g is plenty.
15:34 mircea_popescu looks like the chinese are returning the opium war favours. "here, measure your crack!"
15:35 asciilifeform the balances sold in american 'head shops' are typically slightly larger than this.
15:35 asciilifeform iirc.
15:35 mircea_popescu afaik most sold crack rock is 5g.
15:35 asciilifeform hm.
15:36 asciilifeform then would make sense.
15:38 asciilifeform ( prior to buying this little tool, asciilifeform used a... prehistoric su-era hanging balance . y'know, the kind 'lady justice' has . )
15:39 mircea_popescu reason us-made balances are larger being that... they're crappier, helps mask it.
15:39 mircea_popescu total tech reversal omg.
15:39 * mircea_popescu recalls the time su made "bigger" to hide "shittier" behind it.
15:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i don't know of any us-made electronic balance
15:40 asciilifeform not since, idk, '70s
15:41 asciilifeform btw an ~accurate~ balance is a mighty useful thing to have. esp. if you deal with piles of physical objects that are nominally identical
15:41 asciilifeform and want to fist-pass test if this is in fact so.
15:42 asciilifeform (sorta physical equiv. of 'diff by file size')
15:44 asciilifeform ( http://www.mt.com/us/en/home/products/Industrial_Weighing_Solutions/AutomPrecision/High_Precision_Weigh_Modules/WX_Weigh_Modules/WXS_Weigh_Modules/WXS205SDU15_DualRange_Weighing_Module.html << the machine mentioned in earlier thread re subj. finally found the vendor link. )
15:45 asciilifeform http://media.mt.com/dam/ind/Line_Pages/WeighModules_LoadCell/High_Precision_Weigh_Modules/LP-WXS-Weigh-Module-USP2-1010x300.png/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.1280.1280.png << is a good photo of what asciilifeform used it for
15:46 asciilifeform also worked great for z-axis zeroing (pick up pipette, then stab at the estimated height of the weighing platform, stepwise, until it registers )
15:47 mod6 !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3j4QZ/?raw=true
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15:47 deedbot accepted: 1
15:47 asciilifeform damn.
15:47 asciilifeform sorry to hear this, mod6 .
15:48 mod6 Thanks asciilifeform
15:48 mod6 <3
15:48 * asciilifeform takes off hat.
15:49 diana_coman sorry to hear that, mod6
15:49 mod6 Thanks diana_coman
15:50 mircea_popescu condoleances.
15:51 mod6 Thank you, Mr. Popescu.
15:53 ben_vulpes alas mod6. my condolences as well.
15:53 mod6 Thanks ben_vulpes.
15:54 mod6 fwiw, I hope that wasn't a sort of spam for the deedbot.
15:56 ben_vulpes more like absolutely appropriate.
15:57 mod6 Thanks.
15:57 mod6 She went downhill pretty fast over the last 12 weeks, but her suffering is over.
16:01 trinque sorry to hear this mod6.
16:01 mod6 Thanks trinque
16:03 mod6 In other, less depressing news...
16:03 mod6 I'm up to 361k+ and onto blk0019
16:03 mod6 asciilifeform: I took bunch of pics while doing the basic tests of the FG.
16:04 mod6 I'll write up something and put up the pics somewhere. making thumbnails is a pain in the ass... but will do it anyway.
16:09 phf mod6: my condolences
16:10 mod6 Thanks phf
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16:28 mircea_popescu mod6 mp-wp makes thumbs automatically!
16:30 mod6 aha, good to know. thx :]
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17:05 mircea_popescu !#seen znort987
17:05 a111 2016-10-22 <znort987> A fresh set of opinions on the topic would be welcome
17:10 ben_vulpes "goxxed!!!"
17:12 mircea_popescu some dude asking me on trilema. da fuck can i tell him.
17:13 ben_vulpes another lesson in ongoing curation of one's wot
17:13 mircea_popescu "it'd have actually been much better for everyone if http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-13#1431645 ie i had actually kept the bitcoin." is an obvious thing one could say, but whatever.
17:13 a111 Logged on 2016-03-13 21:02 ben_vulpes: "I will simply consider the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward?
17:21 mircea_popescu (no, by no means the first case of "let's take republic wealth and "sell"/give it to usg". our short but rich history is littered with that sort of dorkitude, from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Abugpowder to name your poison, which is how "taking investors" ie, allowing outsiders into the wealth even got such a bad name in the first place. the last fucking thing i want is MORE mentally stunted midgits making a profit
17:21 mircea_popescu in btc only to immediately turn around and put that behind the usg idiocy du jour.)
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17:37 ben_vulpes in other constantly increasing costs of cross-referencing all of the inanity all of the time, "'ai' picks up biases from texts on which it's trained"
17:37 ben_vulpes a) wat, b) SURPRISE
17:38 mircea_popescu lol
17:41 Framedragger mod6: so sorry to hear that, man, my condolences.
17:43 mircea_popescu for the curious : condolences comes from latin, con - together, dolent, pain.
17:43 mircea_popescu indolent has the same root, "one who feels no pain", in the sense of the pain of being a worthless pos. like legendarily some species of africans, "not worth the whipping".
17:49 pete_dushenski mod6: sorry for your loss. that's tough.
17:51 pete_dushenski damn znort987... there was no way he was going to make his 86btc back at 1 or 2% margins was there. roi approached infinity as bitbet lost broader republican usage and support. shame.
17:52 mircea_popescu well, i dunno, back in the day people kept saying things about marketing or whatever.
17:53 * CompanionCube is very sory for mod6's loss, but at least their suffering is over.
17:53 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: somehow marketing must've just added to expenses!
17:54 mircea_popescu i thought marketing is the only thing that adds to revenue, unlike everything else like say engineering etc, that adds to costs.
17:54 mircea_popescu i guess this is one of those things people say with no expectation of ever being asked to actually carry through or something.
17:55 pete_dushenski you've been reading too many books again, haven't you.
17:55 mircea_popescu i skim.
18:01 mircea_popescu and, of course, nubbins / the rest of the "defenders of the public interest" will now reach into their deep pockets and make that public interest whole, amirite ?
18:02 asciilifeform re: ^ >> <kakobrekla> want me to spin up a fresh instance lol
18:02 mircea_popescu i'm sure.
18:07 Framedragger (i'm angry with nubbins for upsetting the discourse back then, even tho i wasn't involved at all. shit like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-08#1426930 ; he's of a different kind entirely cf. kako in my mind.)
18:07 a111 Logged on 2016-03-08 18:14 nubbins`: incidentally this was the idea from the start
18:09 mircea_popescu idealism is the notion that there exist "kinds" outside of what experience unfolds.
18:10 mod6 Thanks Framedragger & pete_dushenski
18:11 mod6 Thanks CompanionCube, indeed.
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18:48 shinohai --------{---(@ <<< My condolences mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643247
18:48 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 19:47 mod6: !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3j4QZ/?raw=true
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19:04 lobbes I offer my condolences, as well mod6.
19:18 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> or wait, bile's green is it. << Black or neon yellow depending on saturation
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19:43 mod6 shinohai, lobbes, Thank you.
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20:12 asciilifeform in other noose, a geiger ( sbm-20 tube: sov., circa early 1980s ) tied to a 500g plastic bottle of KCl registers 0.18uSv/hr (incl. room background: 0.07 uSv/hr.)
20:13 asciilifeform 99.99% (supposedly) synthesis-grade kcl.
20:15 mircea_popescu so about 0.1 huh
20:17 asciilifeform this is just the gamma tho
20:17 asciilifeform ( kcl puts out a very scarce gamma per however many betas )
20:17 asciilifeform very soon i will have with what to pick up the beta.
20:19 asciilifeform ( current idea being, ZnS+optical-grade-epoxy paste spread on PIN diode. )
20:19 mircea_popescu could work.
20:20 asciilifeform btw very same geiger parked on top of common american smoke detector (unmodified!) (am-241) -- 0.54uSv/h
20:24 mircea_popescu they still sell those ?
20:24 asciilifeform no idea
20:24 asciilifeform house came with a pile of'em (mandatory!)
20:25 * mircea_popescu has never lived in a place with smoke detectors. is a good life.
20:25 asciilifeform not to be confused with 'sprinklers'
20:25 mircea_popescu o, those either. fucking hell.
20:25 mod6 wait, are you building your own geiger alf?
20:26 mircea_popescu nah he has legacy
20:26 asciilifeform mod6: i have a bog-standard geiger here in toolbox
20:26 mod6 ah, ok.
20:26 mod6 and KCl =~ Potassium Chloride?
20:26 mircea_popescu they're hard to calibrate in kitchen
20:26 mircea_popescu yes.
20:26 asciilifeform mod6: but contemplated experiment (see kcl thread ) is re something else
20:27 mircea_popescu it's a wonder they sell that, btw, considering how easy it is to kill someone with it.
20:27 asciilifeform mod6: the idea of 'ideal rngistor', self-contained diode+isotope, but also in such a way that $isotope is something that is sold worldwide and passes unmolested through the post etc.
20:27 mod6 ah, sure.
20:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: with kcl ?! you'd have to stab somebody with it neh
20:27 mircea_popescu yeah, inject 10ml isotone, watch the heart failure.
20:28 asciilifeform 10ml of air also kills
20:28 mircea_popescu not even detectable unless someone's looking specifically.
20:28 mod6 yeah, dont they use that stuff for leathal injections?
20:28 asciilifeform aha
20:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe or not, americans ~eat~ it
20:29 asciilifeform ( supposed to be a 'diet replacement for salt' or sumthing )
20:29 mircea_popescu hey, americans eat ~everything.
20:31 ben_vulpes in the brief quiet, a surprising cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyRm5kc9ZUY
20:32 asciilifeform meanwhile, from the dept. of liquishit, https://archive.is/zxmZA
20:33 asciilifeform re usg.'journalists' 'helping' snowdens, e.g., 'If you want to set up a secure way to communicate (which I think every journalist should) the best method is IM with an OTR encryption. You’ll need: a Jabber account, Pidgin IM client, and OTR plug-in.'
20:33 asciilifeform ^ for some reason, fresh batch.
20:33 mircea_popescu kik
20:33 asciilifeform ( get this -- pidgin. the thing with new 0day every 2 wks or so )
20:34 ben_vulpes 4 mentions of pgp
20:34 mircea_popescu "otr" is not very specific either.
20:34 mircea_popescu anyway. im terrible idea for SECURE comms. because you leak time if nothing else.
20:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 9/10 it means the lolcow 'libotr'
20:34 mircea_popescu if you want to communicate securely, reg your key and pastebin encrypted stuff.
20:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform even if it did, the way in which it is ductaped to the whole shebang is more important in the end.
20:35 asciilifeform it gets better,
20:35 asciilifeform 'From the start, he said, their communication was flawed. Snowden had initially forgotten to provide his own PGP key, which meant that Micah’s reply couldn’t be encrypted. “Everything wasn’t perfect,” Micah said, recalling such missteps. “But there was no red flag, and I’ve gotten lots of emails from random anonymous people. I did pretty well, considering that I had no idea what the hell was going on. I kept switching a
20:35 asciilifeform nonymous identities. When I first talked to him, I made a new anonymous identity, and then when he got to Hong Kong, I switched. And when he left Hong Kong, I switched again.”'
20:35 asciilifeform get this, 'anonymous identities'.
20:35 mircea_popescu she's clueless, trying to say pseudonymous
20:36 asciilifeform nope, probably meant exactly this. 'anonymous' (in the sense of, no fixed rsa pub.)
20:36 mod6 hello, this is dog!
20:36 asciilifeform 'hi, it's still me, here's my new key, now let's talk'--anonderp4398598395
20:37 mod6 just install jabber and talk to the dog, w00f!
20:37 mircea_popescu meanwhile at "what she should have been doing instead" ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5bc80fc98bc47de87a0575b1a322db71/tumblr_o3hvmtIMT91uxdiqco1_1280.jpg
20:38 ben_vulpes nice rug
20:38 mod6 haha
20:38 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes old country stuff.
20:39 ben_vulpes i grew up on prayer rugs quite like it
20:39 ben_vulpes older, rougher
20:39 ben_vulpes eventually parents bought shiny new
20:39 ben_vulpes palpable difference between that which came from grandpa's estate and the fresh purchases.
20:41 asciilifeform in classical su rug like this is 1) on floor 2) on wall (usually next to bed)
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20:42 asciilifeform 'Once the ladder ended, it was easy to climb from branch to branch up to where the material was located. A bird had built a nest on top of the sealed container. Happily, the nest was empty: breeding season had passed. We opened the container. The item was inside. We remained in the tree for a while....'
20:43 * asciilifeform pictures nsa goons with NJDs combing the woods
20:43 asciilifeform ( http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy << oblig!! )
20:45 mircea_popescu lel
21:00 mircea_popescu meanwhile in "cheap and effective pet carrier" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6edd44baf2da5f6359ceb6379eef268f/tumblr_o3qp6oxFhq1tvpchzo1_1280.jpg
21:00 asciilifeform lol!
21:00 * asciilifeform immediately thought 'vectored shit?!'
21:15 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/hiking-inc/ << Trilema - Hiking, Inc.
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21:44 asciilifeform police radio : '...no one was in danger. and the caller was anonymous.'
21:47 mod6 no mosquitos!?
21:47 mod6 im in the wrong locale.
21:48 mod6 i just killed the first ones of the year, last weekend. which is pretty insane for Minnesota to have mosquitos /already/.
21:48 mod6 I had my revenge though.
21:48 mod6 It snowed on very early Tuesday morning and killed the SOBs.
21:49 mod6 muhahaha
22:01 mircea_popescu i haven't yet seen one. or i think i might've seen one, that may also have been a misidentified wasp
22:02 mircea_popescu the variety of wasps they have here is staggering. i got TWO kinds nesting, one's a perfectly harmless paper wasp, they eat the polen off a vine growing ion the fence. the other's a mud hut building guy, i think he eats spiders. then a third really fearsome type showed up evidently praying on the first type... then later a fourth super tiny kind was discovered when one fell in my drink....
22:02 asciilifeform cop 'a': 'your caller is janet. she wants to discuss... strange things with you. she says she saw strobe lights in her neighbour's house, and that he is communicating with her via... electromagnetic fields.' cop 'b' : 'yes i'm familiar with her'
22:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a good half of police work in all times, interfacing with bored / insane middle aged women.
22:04 asciilifeform i'd naively imagine they would 'excommunicate' these
22:04 mircea_popescu in functioning state entirely not up to them.
22:04 mircea_popescu meanwhile in home invasion news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9142f815031afe4b548edd08528c563f/tumblr_oaz8rea7BC1uvwznco1_500.gif
22:04 asciilifeform i suppose dc is 'functional' then!11
22:05 asciilifeform '...an ar-15, a shotgun, five pistols... in bedroom closet'
22:13 asciilifeform '... the complainant's dog is running around the house, strangely, as if it senses someone... '
22:14 mircea_popescu is this in the "we're about to break and enter and trying to pretend like no warrant is needed because probable cause" ?
22:15 asciilifeform apparently
22:17 mod6 the wasps sound nasty tho ya.
22:17 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform a good half of police work in all times, interfacing with bored / insane middle aged women. << did alf just flip on his scanner?
22:17 mod6 lol
22:18 BingoBoingo lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/654yzl/goxxed_by_bitbetus_lost_16_btc/
22:18 mircea_popescu they're not really the attacking type.
22:22 asciilifeform '...25 y.o. female... took entire bottle'
22:23 asciilifeform 'Mircea Popescu stole a large amount of BTC from BitBet.us prior to this...' << lol
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22:27 CompanionCube lol: 'They used fake details for the domain registry. The "company" behind the domain is Polimedia which is currently in "Forfeited Existence" in Texas. The registry info has been the same even before they switched owners a year ago.'
22:29 mircea_popescu ahem ?
22:30 CompanionCube mircea_popescu: from some random redditor re: bitbet
22:30 mircea_popescu !#s polimedia
22:30 a111 649 results for "polimedia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=polimedia
22:30 CompanionCube ik it's yours
22:30 CompanionCube you'd think they'd update the whois *eventually*
22:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-15#-319236
22:30 a111 Logged on 2012-08-15 19:45 mircea_popescu: smickles http://trilema.com/2012/falimentul-polimedia-srl/ there, 2011 results. the 2010 and 2009 are also published on my blog
22:30 mircea_popescu ~nothing changed, same corp numbers etc.
22:31 CompanionCube unfortunately I can't read romanian.
22:32 asciilifeform '...94 year-old, said he was a vet..'
22:32 mircea_popescu CompanionCube what is this relevant to ?
22:32 CompanionCube the linked blog post?
22:32 mircea_popescu you think ?
22:34 mircea_popescu aanyway, let's just say this bla bla has been going on for as long as there's been an internenet. nubbins abound, and they have shit to say about things, obviously.
22:35 mod6 <+CompanionCube> unfortunately I can't read romanian. << i used to translate trilema from .ro for, a long while before it was ever written in english.
22:35 mircea_popescu meanwhile on the webz, The password should not contain the invalid characters like: ', ".
22:36 asciilifeform '...complainant's father is hitting her... ...he has access to long guns, a shotgun, but it was not used in this incident...' << lol!
22:37 BingoBoingo Condolences mod6, consider submittting obituary to paper of record?
22:38 mircea_popescu eh, too much publicity don't you think.
22:42 mod6 Thanks BingoBoingo
22:42 mod6 I don't think it needs to be announced otherwise. Just my way of tribute for my folks.
22:43 mod6 My family appreciates the outpouring of sympathy from the Republic.
22:44 mircea_popescu Last updated at block 461176. << is that like 3 days ago ?
22:50 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> eh, too much publicity don't you think. << The option's available to the berieved lord
23:05 mod6 wb
23:05 mircea_popescu ty!
23:05 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> Last updated at block 461176. << is that like 3 days ago ? << i think trinque's node was down for repair for that wallet thing. might be behind a bit. not sure tho...
23:06 mircea_popescu ah yeah.
23:07 mircea_popescu did you ever nail that issue trinque ?
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