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01:38 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform brb, alcohol << AHA, S.MG is driving alf closer to rehab!
01:39 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> ok, but i mean... so we drive nails with screwdriver because that's what we got. << In that case skip nail and drive in screwdriver. Better load bearing ability, usually...
01:40 BingoBoingo <phf> i think crystal whatever is particularly nasty take on autoconf, probably one of the best examples in support of asciilifeform's rants. << Nah, "Monero" is far worse because of what it supposes to be.
01:44 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5075
01:53 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/five_ring_circus/2016/08/21/the_olympics_wrestling_controversy_that_led_a_mongolian_coach_to_remove.html
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03:20 diana_coman phf mircea_popescu I think that was probably before my time really
03:20 diana_coman I'll search the logs to find phf's pointer and have a look at it
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04:06 diana_coman phf, this is all I found, back before my time indeed: http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-15.log.html#t18:47:02 and http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-29.log.html#t19:13:13
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05:32 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525876 << you conveniently omitted that 4 of 5 cases the mutilations was client-side
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05:32 a111 Logged on 2016-08-20 14:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525860 << email mutilation
05:33 jurov and www-hopper won't change much about insane clients
05:35 jurov it can stay as a historical record, but it's currently frozen with #b-a wot and redoing wot synchronization is exactly such kind of nontrivial change
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07:27 jurov re: eulora build system. last i saw it still carried crap like --with-hunspell . And when i tried to add configure option for ecl support.. i just gave up, it uses jam with poorly documented custom CS extensions.
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07:28 jurov it's all much worse than just "generates big configure turds"
07:43 jurov noone can't ever use vanilla autotools and ftjam as documented. it's absolute necessity to prove own intelligence and DRY-adherence by creatively rigging the build system.
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09:30 asciilifeform in other noose, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1591411
09:31 asciilifeform 'systemd-logind must be restarted every ~1000 SSH logins to prevent a ~25 second delay'
09:32 shinohai When is someone finally gonna kill systemd and bury it deep.
09:39 jurov When there will be new shiny thing in rust or something
09:40 asciilifeform https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1961 << a thing of 'beauty' :
09:40 asciilifeform 'OK, so I figured out one part of the puzzle I think: dbus-daemon is broken handling incoming messages where there's first a message without auxiliary fd in the socket buffer, which is then immediately followed by one with auxiliary fd. The kernel will already return the auxiliary fd with the first message, and dbus-daemon takes that as broken message and will abort the connection.' -- poettering.
09:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526664 << i never found a sane client..
09:45 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 09:32 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525876 << you conveniently omitted that 4 of 5 cases the mutilations was client-side
09:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526667 << is it really so hard to replace the pubkeys wherever they were kept, with your current v set ?
09:45 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 09:35 jurov: it can stay as a historical record, but it's currently frozen with #b-a wot and redoing wot synchronization is exactly such kind of nontrivial change
09:46 jurov well, the v set is like 5 people
09:46 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526668 << i have not, to date, attempted to build and run eulora, i wonder what 'wonderful surprises' await.
09:46 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 11:27 jurov: re: eulora build system. last i saw it still carried crap like --with-hunspell . And when i tried to add configure option for ecl support.. i just gave up, it uses jam with poorly documented custom CS extensions.
09:46 asciilifeform jurov: aha, and those are the 5 people who have any business patching trb.
09:46 asciilifeform presently.
09:47 asciilifeform the other option of course is to do it as mircea_popescu described, and to have NO canonical vpatch repo at all, and 'every man for himself.'
09:48 asciilifeform then again, he argued - imho very successfully - against a canonical ~tree~, not against www which shows all known vpatches in tree form
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09:49 asciilifeform (the latter was already implemented by phf and worx great)
09:50 shinohai I like phf's setup, it is simple to go in and find which patches I need/don't need.
09:52 asciilifeform shinohai: it is almost exactly the thing i imagined when first wrote 'v'.
09:52 jurov interesting, so the consesnus is apparently wot does not mean anything anymore and i should curate gpg keys manually?
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09:52 asciilifeform jurov: no, but that it is better than letting the thing rust solid
09:54 asciilifeform it isn't as if assbot-l1 wasn't a manually-curated artifact.
09:54 asciilifeform it was not in any ordinary sense 'wot'.
09:54 asciilifeform was a manual cut of wot.
09:54 asciilifeform by 1 (2?) people.
09:55 asciilifeform i dun have a problem with this, but it is important to remember how it worked.
09:55 asciilifeform and how present-day item works.
09:56 asciilifeform so jurov's complaint rather resembles 'so consensus is that washing machines are useless and wtf, i have to clean this rifle manually ?'
09:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526615 << my complaint is that it adds a meg of UNREADABLE and - largely UNTESTABLE (i do not have a VMS box, nor a machine with zsh or ksh, nor do i intend to , and i REFUSE to sign code that claims to run there , srsly wtf omfg) - and that it introduces massive turd, useless language m4, go and learn it, read the implementation
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09:59 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 03:02 mircea_popescu: basically, seems to me most, or at least a good chunk of autoconf problems as described by alf come from the fact that it tries to parse, rather than compile. in the abstract sense of these terms.
09:59 asciilifeform srsly it is not enough that we have the gnudiff turd baked in ?
10:00 asciilifeform i would like to get rid of THAT also.
10:00 asciilifeform it all must burn.
10:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526624 << this, as all attempts to solve a 'tv raft' problem, is EVIL.
10:01 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 03:11 phf: i say it's a chicken and egg problem, because you know you can get vendor versions of posix tools (and then still reduce the available "language" even more, by taking away some features that might be missing in nominally posix sh on some obscure system), but you can't really do anything else, until you established some truths about your environment
10:01 asciilifeform aaaaaaaand log is down.
10:01 asciilifeform aaaaand up. lol.
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10:02 asciilifeform raft: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864
10:02 a111 Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
10:02 jurov eh, i'm in no mood to discuss deeper, whatever
10:03 jurov you always use the most immaterial point and use it as counterargument "phee jurov doesn't want to clean his guns manually"
10:04 asciilifeform jurov: all i say is that presently we dun have a rifle-cleaning machine to give to jurov.
10:04 asciilifeform the fella who was in charge of this, vanished
10:04 asciilifeform ;;seen mike_c
10:04 gribble mike_c was last seen in #trilema 16 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 3 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
10:05 asciilifeform and yes, if jurov does not roll up his sleeves, and do the painful cleaning, it will rust and eventually no longer fire.
10:05 asciilifeform in fact, i'm pretty sure that i would not be able to submit a patch to turdatron presently.
10:06 asciilifeform (my subkey expires every year.)
10:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526632 << this is entirely correct. the 'problem' which autoconf pretends (yes, pretends) to 'solve', is EVIL
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10:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 03:17 mircea_popescu: and trying to implement a "better" autoconf, even "by hand", will not result in anything better
10:07 asciilifeform if you want to 'include derps' (and the result will be EVERY bit as ugly as every other occasion when someone insisted on attempt to 'include' them) distribute binaries.
10:08 asciilifeform building a large proggy is intrinsically an act for literate hands, and trying to change this, will lead to no good.
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10:35 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/feministPLT << parody ?
10:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:38 asciilifeform in other 'news', this, apparently, exists : https://twitter.com/NSAGov
10:39 shinohai lol they even have `NSACareers` account
10:47 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/devel/68250 << gpg lulz.
10:47 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:48 asciilifeform 'Once you have a key with a given 64-bit keyid in your keychain, GnuPG will not import any other key with the same 64-bit keyid. Even if you specify the new key by fingerprint.'
10:54 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Likely not parody. Insufficient followers.
10:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-37152665 << noose lulz
10:55 asciilifeform 'Andy Darken of the Prison Officers' Association said the prison service "doesn't really have the resources, means or indeed the know how yet of how to deal with the problem".'
11:06 BingoBoingo news'd http://qntra.net/2016/08/no-arrests-in-drug-drone-prison-crash-and-mid-flight-seizure/
11:10 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/no-arrests-in-drug-drone-prison-crash-and-mid-flight-seizure/ << Qntra - No Arrests In Drug Drone Prison Crash And Mid-Flight Seizure
11:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526670 << yeah, it works but seems pretty dangerous for the future.
11:14 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 11:43 jurov: noone can't ever use vanilla autotools and ftjam as documented. it's absolute necessity to prove own intelligence and DRY-adherence by creatively rigging the build system.
11:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/08/no-arrests-in-drug-drone-prison-crash-and-mid-flight-seizure/#comment-67856
11:15 mircea_popescu but i think a large-ish part of hte problem is that build process per se is not actually specified.
11:15 mircea_popescu much like the bloviating bovines / paul biggars of the world perceive bitcoin to be "a safe space for their creativity" or somesuch, similarly build process.
11:16 mircea_popescu so it attracts a certain sort of stupid, not just in the sense of "a certain sort of stupid people", but actually a certain sort of stupid OUT OF people, even normally intelligent ones.
11:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is because it is a broken-fauced-water-raft.
11:16 asciilifeform *faucet
11:17 asciilifeform i.e. tries to paper over the 10,001 under- and un- specified 'systemwide-installed' deps.
11:17 mircea_popescu possibly. or alternately because nobody ever said "do it like this or i will fuck your children with many tiny bottle openers. in the eyes."
11:17 asciilifeform well the latter. and this would include 'either EVERY supported box has it LIKE-SO, or you bundle it with the proggy. no exceptions.'
11:18 mircea_popescu aha. in fact i suspect both issues are present, and reciprocally reinforcing.
11:18 mircea_popescu for good or bad.
11:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526687 << yes.
11:20 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 13:48 asciilifeform: then again, he argued - imho very successfully - against a canonical ~tree~, not against www which shows all known vpatches in tree form
11:20 mircea_popescu this'd be exactly it.
11:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526691 << the "consensus" is that if you're unwilling to follow the proper wot and wish to import random strange from whenever, you're stuck handcurating gpg keys manually.
11:22 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 13:52 jurov: interesting, so the consesnus is apparently wot does not mean anything anymore and i should curate gpg keys manually?
11:22 jurov and wtf is proper wot?
11:23 mircea_popescu the consensus in my head also is that if you keep with this whiny anal child subversive bullshit i'll bitchslap you so far up your mother's ass friends and family won't be able to reassemble the pieces.
11:23 jurov wtf is proper wot?
11:23 jurov go on, bitchslap
11:24 mircea_popescu the irresistible lure of teh derpage ffs.
11:24 asciilifeform jurov: is it in some way unclear who has business submitting patches ?
11:25 jurov Yes it is.
11:25 mircea_popescu no dude, znort hasn't been following along is perfectly able to resolve this problem ; jurov has been around since forever "doesn't know" how to ask. here, follow the noob, mayhap you learn something : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-21#1526230
11:25 a111 Logged on 2016-08-21 13:23 znort987: trinque: thx, what I was looking for.
11:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: znort went off into heathendom
11:26 asciilifeform 'resolving' 'problems' aha.
11:26 asciilifeform just the other day.
11:26 asciilifeform is being 'helped' by kako as we speak, likely.
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11:26 mircea_popescu i dun care for the content, tbh. form will carry this matter all the way it needs to go.
11:28 jurov and what do i do with output of $wot ?
11:28 jurov znort indeed did not resolve anything
11:28 asciilifeform jurov: related - i shit thee not - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3agpo4 .
11:28 asciilifeform re 'unclear who has business'.
11:29 mircea_popescu a) you see who deedbot trusts. that is called the l1. b) you see who l1 trusts. that is called the l2.
11:29 mircea_popescu this, srsly, is new material ?
11:29 jurov alf says something different
11:29 asciilifeform rly?
11:30 jurov only 5 ppl are in deedbot l2 ?
11:30 mircea_popescu no, not really, but "creating the controversy" might "help".
11:30 asciilifeform jurov: am i mistaken that classical turdatron was an l1 device ?
11:30 jurov no it was l2
11:30 asciilifeform then i stand corrected.
11:30 asciilifeform but it really oughta be l1.
11:30 mircea_popescu the whole nonsense unpleasantly reminds me of that sf story about a socialist future where people got "handicaps" to match their intelligence, lest they're smarter than their stupid parents / the runts in the litter.
11:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'harrison bergeron'
11:30 asciilifeform k. vonnegut
11:31 mircea_popescu jurov is smart kid, gotta have some ankle weights of stupid and loud noises in inner ear lest he doesn't fit in with the idiots he originally originated with anymore.
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11:31 asciilifeform i read it as a boy, it was brainmelting
11:31 mircea_popescu it's a sore sight and naught else.
11:31 asciilifeform 'this is reality'
11:31 mircea_popescu whenever it is a reality i blame the mother.
11:31 mircea_popescu woman's ONLY task is to protect her male offspring from this.
11:31 mircea_popescu do that and let them starve, it'll count as a job well done.
11:33 asciilifeform i'd rather like to know what it is that is actually bothering jurov. (could hazard a guess, but would rather not)
11:33 jurov yes i did have handicap. because i did not ever get SANE answer "why our supposed betters ever contemplated sending zerofee tx"
11:34 jurov sorry, the doubt is crippling
11:34 jurov dunno if my mother has anything with that
11:42 mircea_popescu myeah.
11:43 asciilifeform jurov: what would 'sane answer' look like, in your mind ?
11:44 jurov "i made a mistake"
11:44 asciilifeform jurov: do you recall the lightoller paper ?
11:45 jurov he did not insist chinese sank titanic
11:45 asciilifeform jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#921826 << thread.
11:45 a111 Logged on 2014-11-14 19:44 mircea_popescu: maybe.
11:45 mircea_popescu how the fuck is "sane answer" to be established via regexp with given string is what i want to know.
11:46 asciilifeform jurov: fwiw, my own btctron is configured ~exactly like (we infer) mircea_popescu's was - very 'old' coins are sent 0fee.
11:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a) yes i do "manual payments" ; this however does not mean i create the txn by hand. i'd think this'd be obvious ; b) any and all, this and all sorts of other resources are used to establish things about the network. i am, for the record, THE FIRST, and also for years THE ONLY both systematically sending txnfees "not needed" and pushing for others to do so. it is utterly not because i'm trying to shave pennies t
11:48 mircea_popescu hat i'd do such a thing.
11:48 mircea_popescu i'd guess a and esp b should be obvious. if they aren't obvious, the problem is almost certainly not what's stated.
11:49 asciilifeform i dun think anyone was imagining mircea_popescu creating tx on grid paper, with pencil, no.
11:49 mircea_popescu yes, the proposition that "sane answer" === "i made a mistake" necessarily implies that as a precursor.
11:50 jurov i am now matching mircea's answers against regexp? that was really clever retort.
11:50 mircea_popescu and for the record, the reason we don't have an obnoxiously impudent mining cartel today is almost entirely due to that root, and its fruit.
11:51 mircea_popescu accept that or don't, i dun particularly care nor does in fact have any effects. but history is history, rather than fantasy.
11:54 asciilifeform (incidentally, it was never wholly clear to me why 0fee tx was ever a thing.)
11:55 asciilifeform it is really part of the major gap in the design, where ~nodes~ pay eternally for disk footprint, but ~miner~ gets the fee
11:55 shinohai ^
11:55 mircea_popescu best i can discern two things : 1) derp wanted to discourage old coinbases accumulating (had intuition about the blockchain bloat didn't want to address or know how to) ; 2) fees would have been HUGE early on without this, as in, "fuck you, you wanna transact it's 50 cents. i dun care your 1k btc is enough for a pizza slice ie 2 bux"
11:56 mircea_popescu so might well have been forced mistake because of 2, even if in all likeliness satoshi put it in because of 1
11:56 mircea_popescu (which, incidentally, is an antipattern of software irl that's very fucking often visible. tech wants to do a "Stupid" thing for a stupid reason ; management lets them for an entirely different reason)
11:56 asciilifeform encouraging movement of coin 'for the sake of movement' leads to ~moar~ bloat, via 'utxo' frag effect, rather than less...
11:57 mircea_popescu you srsly think this was modelled worth a crap in 2009 ?
11:57 mircea_popescu 90% of btc pre 0.4 is intuition by mas.
11:57 mircea_popescu mass*
12:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu has a point, if shitoshi had ~modelled~ anything, he may well have junked the whole thing and - not necessarily published anything at all.
12:05 asciilifeform bitcoin as it is reminds me, more than anything, of the french aerial machine gun during ww1
12:05 asciilifeform where several pilots had actually died via shooting out own propeller
12:05 asciilifeform and the solution was somehow seen as 'make armoured propeller'
12:06 mircea_popescu i don't necessarily dispute that he THOUGHT about it for many years. but there's a profound difference between these two things. psychological first of all.
12:06 asciilifeform and it took a german to arrive at something like an actual solution (sync gear for the gun bolt)
12:06 phf teh log, it never stops
12:08 mircea_popescu this is the log. there are many like it, but this one is good. it is your best friend. it is your life. you must read it like you read your wife.
12:09 phf diana_coman: i think i didn't say enough on the subject. the core of what i did in order to get it to build on mac os x is fix autoconf scripts, if i revisit mac os x build in a couple of weeks, i'll try and provide a portable patch
12:10 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526708 << i had nothing to do with this, for all i know it's lizard hitler's a111
12:10 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 14:01 asciilifeform: aaaaand up. lol.
12:10 mircea_popescu o.O
12:11 asciilifeform phf: interestingly, it was 404 for about half a minute.
12:11 phf dat latency, digitalocean has been running on a generator and a modem past few days i think
12:11 asciilifeform not ping dead, no
12:11 asciilifeform actual 404 pg.
12:11 phf :o
12:12 mircea_popescu incidentally, the only thing i can think re "digitalocean" is that place in the pacific where there's a trillion little bits of plastic, ground down by wind and sun over the decades.
12:12 diana_coman phf, sounds cool
12:12 mircea_popescu you know, discrete-ized ocean.
12:12 asciilifeform (what does phf's wwwtronics stack do when there is no available worker? or how does it work)
12:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i thought it was called 'rubbish island'
12:12 mircea_popescu phf they prolly put you behind cloudflare/homebrewed equivalent as a service or somesuch.
12:12 mircea_popescu $up Twix
12:12 deedbot Twix voiced for 30 minutes.
12:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "north pacific gyre" aite.
12:13 phf asciilifeform: yeah, it's the worker exhaustion, but since it's my favorite threadless cmucl, situations under which "no available worker" are numerous and fantastical
12:13 asciilifeform phf: i guessed as much.
12:14 mircea_popescu like what ?
12:14 phf well, judging by logs someone did fuzzing against it
12:14 asciilifeform (phuctor suffers from similar problem, python does not really have working threading either)
12:14 phf a whole bunch of coherent, but bogus urls. with spaces, ? & in wrong places, etc.
12:15 mircea_popescu ah, that's just normal scriptkiddery.
12:15 mircea_popescu the net is mostly newcomers. somehow.
12:16 asciilifeform phf: at one point i got 1,001 of these daily
12:16 asciilifeform countless variations on 'this fella MUST be php monkey, let's try all known monkeypoison'
12:17 asciilifeform incl. probes against the (never existing) wordpress on that box.
12:17 asciilifeform (somehow a box without wordpress is unthinkable to these folk.)
12:19 mircea_popescu you'll laugh, but the point is not so much untinkable as not valuable. ~all of them, if actually given access, will happily post links "for google to see" and that's all.
12:20 asciilifeform thinking here of the folks who show symptoms of 'manually cranked' probemeister, vs the usual bots.
12:20 mircea_popescu a small fraction will do the more nefarious bit of hosting pharma / child porn / whatever pages to link from OTHER wordpress / email blasts.
12:20 asciilifeform (e.g., lengthy browsing of what i consider 'interesting' pages on the site previously)
12:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no , no, the ones that appear manually cranked are just the same 3-4 bots "sold" on "underground forums", but with exceptionally inept operators. such as ahmed.
12:21 mircea_popescu nah, the reason for that is because they find you from google, or equiv, which is an approximation of "what a human would think interesting"
12:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cannot be ruled out. though the level of decorative dressing is quite ludicrous, in that case.
12:21 mircea_popescu it's not even deliberate, just byproduct of how the process works. they'd cut it out if they knew how.
12:22 asciilifeform now that mircea_popescu mentioned it, i recall an 'elaborate bots' thread.
12:22 phf speaking of wordpress, mysql keeps consistently crashing. i don't think i've had a unix daemon crash on me in the recent memory, this is a first
12:23 mircea_popescu not that there aren't a precious few competent folk out there. but they suffer a heavy demographic burden in the form of idiot us sucking them in to "build companies" and go to conferences and waste their lives for belonging&jam-tomorrow ; and the rest are fucking busy raping nsa and such.
12:23 mircea_popescu phf i dun think that ever happened to trilema.
12:23 phf i suspect not
12:23 asciilifeform now we need a vintage mysql..?
12:24 mircea_popescu my angry forays into apache/mysql are in the logs. that shit sucks.
12:24 asciilifeform (the pill against 'omfg, this has never before crashed', sad as it is, is generally to rewind version again and again...)
12:24 phf oh i think maybe it's a memory issue :D i'm running it on a $5 512mb instance
12:24 asciilifeform fwiw i have yet to see postgres crash. but there is always a time for a first.
12:25 phf and no wap
12:25 phf *swap
12:25 mircea_popescu phf nah. half gb is ample.
12:25 mircea_popescu what, no swap at all ?
12:25 mircea_popescu or you mean very small
12:25 phf no, just not even registered
12:25 mircea_popescu eh i'm surprised it works at all.
12:25 mircea_popescu look through it, it has swap existing hardwire throughout.
12:26 phf it exhausts the 512mb and quietly dies
12:26 mircea_popescu aha. make a swap.
12:26 phf 160822 9:30:08 InnoDB: Fatal error: cannot allocate memory for the buffer pool
12:27 mircea_popescu do we put this down to "lamp sucks" or to "operator egregious eggog" ?
12:28 phf 512mb ought to be enough for anyone!
12:28 mircea_popescu i thought it said so in the linux manual cca 1996, "linux can not be run without swap. don't even try."
12:28 mircea_popescu that they stopped saying it doesn't mean anything changed ; they just thought everyone got the idea.
12:29 * asciilifeform runs without swap.
12:29 mircea_popescu you probably run without panties, also.
12:29 asciilifeform all swap does is prolong an agonizing and inevitable death.
12:30 asciilifeform i can see using swap on a 486 with 8M, where it makes the diff between being able to load emacs and not.
12:30 asciilifeform elsewhere, it is simply sad.
12:32 phf log server runs without swap, but it's because cmucl stays within it's heap and nginx memory variance is negligible
12:32 shinohai You can't even build prb without setting a swap space. Or at least I haven't been successful yet.
12:32 phf also it's got couple of gigs of ram, for ~~500mb in memory log
12:32 asciilifeform shinohai: you are on what, a 486 with 8M ?
12:33 shinohai Nope, digital ocean droplet w 2gb
12:33 shinohai still fails
12:33 asciilifeform shinohai: even trb will run for no more than 2-3 weeks on 2G.
12:34 shinohai this is just during build-from-source process.
12:34 phf come to think of me my laptop runs without swap, because i mucked with write permissions on mac os x's swap file, but it's not ever a problem at 16gb
12:34 phf *of it
12:34 asciilifeform a reasonable dev box for 'modern' bloatrocities contains at least 32G.
12:35 asciilifeform (sad, neh? nsa crays in '90s never dreamed of 32G.)
12:35 danielpbarron ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra/bitbet-owner-addresses-solvency-concerns.asc.txt
12:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:37 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519442 << don't you now wish that wasn't the case, lol, the guy is like an ultra-wrecker, shitting all over that codebase
12:37 a111 Logged on 2016-08-12 16:31 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: also, I'm not taking thousands in donations. jackdaniel is being paid several k to work on CLIM
12:38 asciilifeform phf: eons have passed since i last could be arsed to read clim. what happened ?
12:40 phf asciilifeform: that attention from fundraiser and marketing that gabriel_laddel was so excited about ~obviously~ attracted not talent, but the usual modernizer suspects. i'm reading their channel logs and marvel.
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12:41 phf in the immortal words of ivan chesnokov, YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE.
12:42 asciilifeform phf: 'fresh meat in the sun'
12:42 asciilifeform as discussed on numerous occasions.
12:42 asciilifeform gift for the flies.
12:43 phf everyone agrees "we need windows backend" obviously, stodgy and dated decisions are being gradually replaced with "modern" equivalents. someone literally used the phrase "people come to expect from modern ui"
12:43 asciilifeform l0l!!
12:43 asciilifeform then again clim is perhaps ~the~ place for this phrase.
12:43 asciilifeform i won't use a gui that ignores mouse wheel.
12:44 asciilifeform just won't.
12:44 asciilifeform it can fuck itself.
12:44 phf bordeaux-threads stopped building with my asdf1, i checked, someone hardcoded >3.11 check, with ~no purpose for it~. next thing i know i read "<jackdaniel> [04:44:30] but don't use clim's mp, I've reimplemented it on top of bordeaux-thread just for backward compatibility" on #clim
12:44 asciilifeform and if i wanted to use a gui where i can sit and WATCH IT REDRAW, i will use microshit word.
12:44 asciilifeform motherfucker is slow even on 16 cpu.
12:44 asciilifeform at 3GHz.
12:45 phf asciilifeform: it needs work, but it's literally one of the few gui frameworks untouched by lizard hitler, unless you want to write raw xlib or tty outputs
12:45 phf not anymore, assholes!
12:45 phf it's modernization time
12:45 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Thing is more gossip than news. What happened? There may be a way to rewrite it into news, but it is still early this morning.
12:46 asciilifeform phf: if we discover that the only way to have a usably snappy clim is custom iron, i am willing to consider custom iron.
12:46 asciilifeform but what i am ~not~ willing to do is to close eyes and play pretend
12:46 asciilifeform and accept behaviour that i will not accept from microshit.
12:47 phf asciilifeform: nobody's asking you, this is for people who want a fixer-upper. you don't want to use cmucl either, because it's half baked. it does feel just a tad "i just want to", but i can't necessarily fault you for it
12:47 asciilifeform actually phf made an imho quite persuasive defense of cmucl.
12:48 phf i'm just hoping nobody's going to do a fundraiser for it. thank god gabriel_laddel hasn't discovered it yet
12:48 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 << see also.
12:48 * phf cackles with mirth at seeing his city burn
12:48 phf where's ma fiddle
12:49 asciilifeform when i move into a house, demanding 'yes this place WILL have a toilet or no deal' != 'i just want to!'
12:49 asciilifeform there is such a thing as minimal hygienic standard.
12:51 danielpbarron BingoBoingo, what gossip?
12:54 phf i like that story i read on livejournal long time ago. this soviet guy was telling, so he's sent to forced farming на посевы, bunch of guys digging for potatoes, middle of fucking nowhere. and then there's news, some deposed aristocrat is sent to join, so naturally jokes all around, since the toilet is a mess (it's a bunch of guys!) "how's his excellency going to use the facilities справлять нужду" "probably unaccustomed to working
12:54 phf class living" etc. anyway, guy arrives goes to toilet, comes out, grabs a broom and a bucket and cleans it. the moral is tediously obvious (it's a fucking liverjournal story), but it stuck with me. living in orcland is kind of like that
12:56 asciilifeform phf: 'Разруха. Это - мираж, дым, фикция. Что такое эта ваша разруха? Старуха с клюкой? Ведьма, которая выбила все стекла, потушила все лампы? Да ее вовсе и не существует. Это вот что: если я, вместо того, чтобы оперировать каждый вечер, начну у себя
12:56 asciilifeform в квартире петь хором, у меня настанет разруха. Если я, входя в уборную, начну, извините за выражение, мочиться мимо унитаза и то же самое будут делать Зина и Дарья Петровна, в уборной начнется разруха. Следовательно, разруха не в клозетах, а
12:56 asciilifeform в головах. Когда эти баритоны кричат "бей разруху!" - Я смеюсь. Клянусь вам, мне смешно! Это означает, что каждый из них должен лупить себя по затылку! '
12:56 asciilifeform ^ sacramental.
12:59 asciilifeform phf: the 'grabs a broom and a bucket and cleans it' incidentally is more or less the story of my 1st year of trb.
13:03 phf prof preobrazhensky failed at judicious application of nagant? :p
13:17 BingoBoingo <danielpbarron> BingoBoingo, what gossip? << The signed recollection by minimally collected guy.
13:19 BingoBoingo *connected guy
13:20 phf you're gonna like this guy. he's all right. he's a good fella. he's one of us.
13:21 BingoBoingo All pigs are equal but some pigs are more equal!
13:25 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Based on the way the guy interesctionalittitties with my WoT maybe your blog is the best place to make the point you want to make about it?
13:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526916 << "advertise and filter" is a fucking tall order to do right.
13:35 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 16:40 phf: asciilifeform: that attention from fundraiser and marketing that gabriel_laddel was so excited about ~obviously~ attracted not talent, but the usual modernizer suspects. i'm reading their channel logs and marvel.
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13:39 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/12b1a02b-d351-41f0-b26d-54f25f4443aa/
13:41 mircea_popescu lol piss on your own head.
13:45 mircea_popescu and in other unrelated news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8mny1gHtH1rq6vz1o1_500.gif
13:49 shinohai *smack!*
13:56 asciilifeform re mpi referred to in the automake thread, updates:
13:56 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi_second_cut.vpatch
13:56 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
13:56 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/sane-mpi.tar.gz
13:56 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/sane-mpi.txt
13:56 asciilifeform ^ the tarball is the result of press, and included SOLELY for reference.
13:57 asciilifeform the vpatch consists heavily of minusola and FUCK GNUDIFF ALREADY.
13:57 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/nth-french-republic-sending-tourists-to-belgium-for-death/ << Qntra - Nth French Republic Sending Tourists To Belgium For Death
13:57 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 has been updated.
13:58 danielpbarron BingoBoingo, what is the point of qntra? is it soley to bring non-republic news ~in~ or can it also be to tell republic news to the outside? I think it is certainly news that the new owner of bitbet is taking the time to speak in public (this channel)
13:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: notably, see include/knobs.h. THIS is what we get instead of automake.
13:59 asciilifeform it weighs 2261 bytes.
13:59 asciilifeform the makefile - 516.
14:00 asciilifeform if anyone finds something resembling a reasonable unix box this WON'T build on by simply running 'make', PLEASE let me know!
14:01 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Qntra pointedly tells republic news to the outside, BUT znort does not at this time have a relation to anyone I know such that his signature carries more weight than rando unsigned pastebins
14:01 asciilifeform note that i no longer intend to use mpi for anything. it was posted as a deautomakeification demo.
14:01 danielpbarron $gettrust BingoBoingo znort987
14:01 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
14:02 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: cheers.
14:03 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: There's prolly a way to rewrite what you submitted to news it up, but as you presented it it wasn't news. Maybe a "look how unlucky this guy is" angle would help? All those misfortunes may very well involve malice on the part of persons other than him. Such an angle could be very newsy.
14:04 danielpbarron unlucky for what? the hacked email?
14:04 BingoBoingo What you submitted at this time however was not that. You presented the signed block as basically "take this as what it is" and "here are other people doubting it" leaving unrepublican b00bs to wonder wtf?
14:04 ben_vulpes so i'm flattening and rebuilding this barely-used macbook pro, and frames of animated language names scrolling sideways on the "what language" screen are tearing
14:04 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: The hacked email and the targeted use of it.
14:04 ben_vulpes IN THE OS INSTALL PROCESS
14:05 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: ANyways where again were the lulz in "Heroic Jap Stationwagon Swats Traffic Disrupting Pedelarast" I still haven't found it.
14:05 ben_vulpes oh just in that some saudi is going to get spirited out of the country before getting lynched
14:06 ben_vulpes decent "us has no sovereignty, can't effect their own honor killings" angle
14:06 ben_vulpes or "can't piss off uae sponsors of us terrorism on global stage" angle
14:06 BingoBoingo Oh, well why did you not write it up and why would he be lynched for doing a pubic service?
14:06 mircea_popescu in other lulz, is blockchain.info being mitm'd atm ?
14:06 danielpbarron BingoBoingo, I don't understand your logic here. Even your criticism of znort's reputation is addressed in my copy. But whatever I'll just post it on my own blog
14:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/NtTPs << speculation re why.
14:08 * asciilifeform has not attempted to verify
14:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Mebbe verify and submit to qntra?
14:09 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if yer gonna mention redditola here, plox to link ??!
14:09 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: not redditola, there was a bikeportland.org link
14:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: yer ctrl key is broken or what.
14:10 ben_vulpes pardon?
14:10 asciilifeform can haz link ?
14:10 ben_vulpes http://bikeportland.org/2016/08/20/speeding-driver-kills-teenage-girl-who-was-crossing-se-hawthorne-189858
14:11 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where is the part re 'spirited out'
14:11 asciilifeform ?
14:12 BingoBoingo ? I wondered too
14:12 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/1n5C8 << about half the world can't locate them atm
14:12 mircea_popescu the half that can is all natoreich, and sees 104.16.54/3
14:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fwiw, resolves here in the heart of mordor.
14:12 asciilifeform (took ~20 sec tho.)
14:12 mircea_popescu quite my point.
14:12 * ben_vulpes shrugs
14:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, the half that CAN.
14:13 mircea_popescu yeah.
14:14 mircea_popescu looks like a rather shaping attack of some kind.
14:14 asciilifeform i have nfi why a usg organ in good standing needs 'attack'
14:14 BingoBoingo Imma have some cumpany soon, so someone get to the bottom of this other thing and submit.
14:14 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i have nfi why a usg organ in good standing needs 'attack' << Innocence washing
14:15 asciilifeform possibly.
14:15 phf ben_vulpes: that's what you get for installing >10.9. i tried it one a company machine, took ~~2 hours. fresh install, ssd. insanity.
14:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Innocence washing is one of oldest SOPs
14:15 mircea_popescu ;;tslb
14:16 gribble Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
14:16 mircea_popescu ^ gribble can't see it.
14:16 ben_vulpes ;;balance 1b1tco1ne34ter
14:16 gribble Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
14:17 ben_vulpes ;;balance 1DskTjGvWh5KVbiqnb3vvRFyEmCen1UNzL
14:17 ben_vulpes ;;balance 1DskTjGvWh5KVbiqnb3vvRFyEmCen1UNzL
14:17 gribble Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
14:17 mircea_popescu also, it's not just blockchain. the relay network lost about half of its edges since an hour ago
14:19 mircea_popescu seems ~more or less, "cloudflare turned off the chunk of bitcoin '''infrastructure''' ran by imbeciles imbecilisyh eno0ugh to rely on cloudflare"
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14:19 ben_vulpes cloudfront is somehow involved in the relay network?
14:19 ben_vulpes er
14:19 ben_vulpes cloudflare
14:19 * ben_vulpes is suffering from cloudfusion
14:20 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes : https://archive.is/mZfNl
14:20 mircea_popescu evidently.
14:21 mircea_popescu anyway. last block was ~half hour ago.
14:22 ben_vulpes corallos's?
14:23 mircea_popescu huh ?
14:23 ben_vulpes nm
14:23 mircea_popescu a here we go.
14:24 mircea_popescu 997,999 kb har.
14:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's your top block atm ?
14:25 asciilifeform dulap & zoolag are at 426394.
14:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1527034 << if this is true - good riddance! let's hope it stays dead ?
14:27 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 18:19 mircea_popescu: seems ~more or less, "cloudflare turned off the chunk of bitcoin '''infrastructure''' ran by imbeciles imbecilisyh eno0ugh to rely on cloudflare"
14:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now that i think about it, i dun recall prb having ssl eater in it
14:27 asciilifeform does it now ?
14:28 asciilifeform (if not, how would cloudfart shutting down affect prb relays ?)
14:28 phf well, that's what you get for..! oh, nevermind
14:29 pete_dushenski bc.i is down here.
14:32 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: btw what was that dating thing all about ?
14:33 mircea_popescu in future lulz, 2b70ba3f5b9cb57fc76dba558cfe54f0b45d06433c1fc5ac454cb765e558a10865363958fcc6f4bd91c5ee43d742b8e160d74fc5e6b9232ed8d8a40cebc14e43
14:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's that
14:38 pete_dushenski i dunno but bet i could fit that hash on my dong lengthwise.
14:38 asciilifeform sha512(icbm_launchcodes.txt) ?
14:38 pete_dushenski of course, no one will pay for this...
14:39 pete_dushenski so i'd be working pro boner.
14:41 shinohai xD
14:42 pete_dushenski in other weird, http://www.vocativ.com/220997/autism-elevators-youtube/
14:42 pete_dushenski “I myself am autistic,” says Reams. “Not everybody that does these elevator [videos] is autistic but I would say at least 80 to 90 percent of them are.”
14:43 pete_dushenski "The channel is mostly filled with videos like the one described above: clips of Reams and friends riding in elevators. They ride elevators in hotels. They ride elevators in hospitals. They ride elevators in office blocks and public buildings. They film their rides in elevators. They film each other filming their rides in elevators."
14:47 danielpbarron $reputation BingoBoingo
14:47 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5d335262-f67b-4b46-bbf2-c1d4557dd50a/
14:49 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg144177.html
14:49 asciilifeform 'Linux Kernel panics when using an OHCI controller if a USB device reports being a generic HID keyboard and reports a wMaxPacketSize of over 4095. The OHCI controller driver fails to reserve bandwidth for the device, causing the keyboard handler to fail when attaching to the HID. Later, when the device is removed, the system crashes due to a null pointer dereference in a linked list of endpoint descriptors.'
14:55 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2016/bitbet-owner-addresses-solvency-concerns/ << Daniel P. Barron - BitBet Owner Addresses Solvency Concerns
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15:06 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/08/malware-infected-all-eddie-bauer-stores-in-u-s-canada/#more-35378 << noose?
15:06 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:14 * pete_dushenski 's favourite backpack is eddie bauer
15:15 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i think the krebs thing may be my 1st time hearing of the vendor outside of a spamogram.
~ 33 minutes ~
15:49 mod6 ;;bc,blocks
15:49 gribble {"blockcount":426401}
15:49 mod6 this is what i've got ^
~ 17 minutes ~
16:06 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: eddie bauer is very 'outdoorsy'. they specialise in the climbing / hiking demo. mathmaticians may or may not overlap with this set.
16:09 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: dunno, i get quite satisfactory outdoor duty out of old .mil gear from various dead empires
16:09 asciilifeform for pennies on the original dollar/ruble/deutschmark
16:09 * pete_dushenski pictures alf summiting with pointed reich helmet
16:09 asciilifeform well the bmore folks - do
16:09 asciilifeform ( see recent BingoBoingo link )
16:10 pete_dushenski aha.
16:10 pete_dushenski they're travelling more horizontally than vertically though
16:10 pete_dushenski less likely to spear eagles, more likely to spear pigeons
16:15 pete_dushenski https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/aug/22/bitcoin-investments-cryptocurrency-traded-digital-money << "Is bitcoin the answer if traditional investments are letting you down?"
16:19 phf this looks as outdoorsy as SUVs are designed for sport
16:21 pete_dushenski you apparently haven't seen the cayenne turbo s / grand cherokee srt8 / x6m class of sporty suvs.
16:23 shinohai phf There was Eddie Bauer edition Ford Explorer iirc, speaking of SUV's
16:26 pete_dushenski so there was. usual 'paint+badge edition' for american vehicles. see also 'daytona 500 edition' camaros, 'mary kay' pink cadillacs, 'hertz' mustangs
16:26 pete_dushenski gimicky marketing for maroons.
16:27 pete_dushenski '1 of only 10000' !!
16:28 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/29/petes-guide-to-investing-in-cars/ << for why that's waaaay too many units produced to be valuable on the secondary market
16:28 shinohai Complete with luxury heated leather seats for those rough weekends in the mountains.
16:28 phf i think mary kay ping cadillacs are awesome. so trashy
16:28 phf *pink
16:30 pete_dushenski shinohai: heated ~and~ cooled ventilated seats ftw.
16:30 pete_dushenski for black on black vehicles these are sine qua non
16:41 pete_dushenski in other bad investment, http://www.freddiemac.com/multifamily/product/pdf/green_advantage_term_sheet.pdf
16:43 pete_dushenski "We’ll underwrite up to 75% of projected energy savings" << need moar projections!!1
16:44 ben_vulpes phf: i'd take one
16:45 ben_vulpes kinda want one of those hilariously garish 2-door caddies in a matte pink
16:46 phf ben_vulpes: it's only worthwhile when it comes with a voluptuous russ meyer blond bimbo
16:46 phf and gass is 20c a gallon
16:46 ben_vulpes my popesculator says "no no, the blond comes *in* the cadillac"
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16:48 asciilifeform in other 'news', http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen/worth.htm
16:49 asciilifeform 'Estimating Worth - "How $VALUABLE$ is my VAX?"'
16:49 asciilifeform 'Of course the first thing you have to understand is who is your customer. And to answer that you need to know just who is buying VAXen these days. The list it turns out is really short....'
16:51 phf and you have a pocketful of those 60s amphetamines, so you can hit every diner from chicago to springfield in 3 days, and then come back knowing exactly which one has the best milkshake
16:54 asciilifeform http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEC-MicroVax-II-World-Box-VMS-3-7-with-documentation-set-/232013130536 << demand for vax, apparently, still strong.
16:54 asciilifeform >400 usd for DEAD unit.
16:56 pete_dushenski phf: 'my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard'
17:00 phf asciilifeform: there's a massive hobbyist market. well to do corporate programmers spending monthly paychecks on retrohardware. when i was buying my xl1201, i was bidding against a guy, who's been doing a tech lead thing since the 90s (an unbearably aspy fellow). he said that he was so pissed he didn't get it, he put a 12k starting bid on the next one and still got it for around 6k
17:01 asciilifeform phf: the bolix was a special, really, case
17:01 asciilifeform not really comparable to a vax imho.
17:01 asciilifeform (there is, for instance, no wholly satisfactory emulator.)
17:01 asciilifeform ^ how many old comps can you say this for.
17:01 asciilifeform nor is the arch fully documented (again 'how many... say this for')
17:02 asciilifeform i cannot immediately name any other vintage comp that is 'cult object' comparable to the late lispm's.
17:03 phf right, so vax goes for a fraction of the cost. still same guy who put me in touch with dks, and spends 5k on each bolix, will spend fraction of that on a vax, because "it ain't bolix of course, but it's still cool"
17:03 asciilifeform this'd be the folks who use'em as coffee tables, neh ?
17:03 asciilifeform (only situation where the two are roughly similar!)
17:04 asciilifeform and i hear 'cray II' made a killer sofa.
17:04 phf vax lisp is a thing :p
17:04 asciilifeform not only a thing, but helped to nail lispm with 'good enuff' on the high end market.
17:05 asciilifeform iirc vax is where franz started out.
17:05 phf but no it's just a special kind of mindset, i don't know how to else call it but people who are into "retrohardware". there's a pecking order there between "i have an amiga and a macintosh" and "i have a vax, a pdp, a ..."
17:06 phf those people ~spend~. i mean they make the most money to put them in what used to be middle class bracket, but they don't spend it on houses and cars. instead on vaxen
17:06 asciilifeform when i was a sad student and pinched pennies to buy lispm parts, then much later the machine, i did not yet realize that turning the physical object into an emulator would take 20 yrs that i dun have.
17:06 asciilifeform so now i have the dough to get whatever machines, and it no longer appeals.
17:07 asciilifeform and yes phf that last batch of sinners includes asciilifeform , just that he is not buying vaxen etc.
17:07 phf those machines are joy to handle though, for same reason old keyboards are pleasant. they are not "made in china", but with steel chasis out of descrete units, etc.
17:07 asciilifeform phf: even as late as late '90s, machines with such 'feel' were made.
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17:08 phf you know all that
17:08 phf oh i remembe
17:08 asciilifeform i had an hp 'pa-risc'
17:08 asciilifeform it was a marvel of iron cages and emp shields etc.
17:08 asciilifeform weighed approx. what a standard girl per mircea_popescu does.
17:08 phf shit, i had a store bought compaq 486, which had ~solid frame~. not bolix, but somewhere there
17:09 asciilifeform even ibm xt was quite 'ferrous' compared to modern junk.
17:09 asciilifeform (~wholly sheet steel)
17:12 asciilifeform recall when a cpu was a ceramic brick with gold-plated machine screw trunk sticking out of it ?
17:13 asciilifeform https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/KL_HP_PA_RISC_7150.jpg << like-so.
17:13 asciilifeform and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/HP-HP9000-PA-RISC-NS1-CPU_30.jpg << so.
17:13 asciilifeform i imagine most of'em have been melted down at this point.
17:14 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: btw what was that dating thing all about ? << Trilema makes it better when you let trilema into your heart
17:18 pete_dushenski eh i'm not much for dating. tried it once. was satisfied that i'd sufficiently sorted it out. moved on.
17:20 pete_dushenski others are free to continue. for them, i'm sure trilema will be of use with regards to cutting the gordian knot.
17:21 BingoBoingo $s znort987
17:21 a111 47 results for "znort987", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=znort987
17:23 phf didn't danielpbarron made a point a few times that one is not to seek a wife
17:25 pete_dushenski that might also be ex post rationalisation
17:26 ben_vulpes nono pete_dushenski there really are no women out there worth wifing!
17:26 danielpbarron most important is to believe in the entire Bible, the rest follows.
17:27 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: HYPOCRITE
17:27 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: causes. aha.
17:28 danielpbarron I mean, if you don't believe, then marry or don't, it's not like adhering to the rules without faith is worth anything
17:29 BingoBoingo Nah, dating is a sort of sorting.
17:32 pete_dushenski dating is more signalling your own value. pre-dating / scouting is sorting.
17:33 BingoBoingo Nah pre-dating is rought sorting. Dating is a finer sort of sorting.
17:34 BingoBoingo WTF is this signalling my own value stuff. I have inner peace and it apparently radiates.
17:34 phf dating is the same kind of sorting as choosing between coke and pepsi at a grocery store
17:35 BingoBoingo You must be sorting some bland pussy.
17:36 phf obviously no true scotsman!
17:37 BingoBoingo Only the Truest Scotsman, Idi Amin, the last king of the Scots!
17:40 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
17:40 pete_dushenski only true imins drive merc 600 grossers
17:40 gribble Current Blocks: 426412 | Current Difficulty: 2.1737548275723764E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 427391 | Next Difficulty In: 979 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 5 hours, 39 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
17:40 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:40 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 583.15, vol: 4962.09361008 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 586.765, vol: 8263.83094 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 588.29, vol: 4387.8261918 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 583.46, vol: 4475.50010439 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 588.576864, vol: 46042.42140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 588.31, vol: 672.0591571 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 587.16, vol: 1372.60688695 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 589.72592, vol: (1 more message)
17:41 BingoBoingo ;;more
17:41 gribble 387039.9753 | Volume-weighted last average: 589.400425341
17:42 pete_dushenski okcoin doing 5x volume of everyone else combined ? mkay.
17:44 BingoBoingo Well, maybe they are least laggy today?
17:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1527071 << lol teh drama thickens.
17:46 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 18:55 deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/bitbet-owner-addresses-solvency-concerns/ << Daniel P. Barron - BitBet Owner Addresses Solvency Concerns
17:48 shinohai Your outlook on s.qntra is rather grim though danielpbarron
17:49 BingoBoingo Everyone has to make their own value determinations.
17:49 shinohai Works for me
17:50 phf pretty much everyone here was subjected to dpb's harsh judgement at one point or another, as is right and proper, he keeps us in check
17:50 BingoBoingo Which is why danielpbarron is wise.
17:51 shinohai If I wanted echo-chamber I'd go back to reddit.
17:51 mircea_popescu he actually gets away with it better than alf.
17:52 * asciilifeform isn't working from a scripture and labours under the handicap of occasionally being convinced by other folks of sumthing
17:53 phf it's probably because alf is nominally gentle intelligentsia, where dpb can badmouth you and you ~know~ it could be worse
17:53 mircea_popescu hm.
17:53 mircea_popescu well the explanatory theories are well varied.
17:56 asciilifeform re 'let's abolish buildroot', turns out, surprise! -- there were attempts at sanity : http://landley.net/aboriginal/about.html
17:56 asciilifeform 'Aboriginal Linux is a shell script that builds the smallest/simplest linux system capable of rebuilding itself from source code. This currently requires seven packages ...'
17:56 asciilifeform extra lulz at the tail end of the page.
17:57 asciilifeform ( grep for 'Why does this matter?' )
17:59 phf wonder if i could put pkgsrc on top of it
17:59 asciilifeform ^ musslatronic, also, looks like.
17:59 asciilifeform the build scripts are tiny, resemble mod6's.
18:00 mircea_popescu not bad eh.
18:00 pete_dushenski please, it's 'first nations linux'. aboriginal is so 2010.
18:00 asciilifeform # This version of bash is ancient, but it provides everything most package
18:00 asciilifeform # builds need and is less than half the size of current versions.
18:00 asciilifeform ^ from 'download.sh'
18:06 BingoBoingo Anyways this dispute danielpbarron raised largely relates to how different people navigate the WoT. At this point in time I'm not providing weight to low information connections.
18:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1527107 << i suppose she could also come on, or near. but with ffs ?
18:06 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 20:46 ben_vulpes: my popesculator says "no no, the blond comes *in* the cadillac"
~ 38 minutes ~
18:44 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/fratire-retailer-suffers-pervasive-malware-installation/ << Qntra - Fratire Retailer Suffers Pervasive Malware Installation
18:47 pete_dushenski "astounding normal" << astoundingly
18:48 pete_dushenski ""Fratire" is a type of 21st-century fiction literature written for and marketed to young men in a politically incorrect and overtly masculine fashion. The term was coined following the popularity of works by George Ouzounian (writing under the pen name Maddox) and Tucker Max." << o.O
18:49 * pete_dushenski admits to being confused as to latest qntra title
18:56 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Fratire (2) A clothing style favored by "preppy" folk. Combination of Fraternity and Attire.
18:57 pete_dushenski aha. the tsmr dictionary groweth.
18:57 pete_dushenski tmsr*
18:59 asciilifeform in other 'olds', material pertinent to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1517688 thread, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27-2WDIZR0 (gold in the comments, 'Seems like a nice tool to capture exotic and endangered birds for my Black Market sales.')
18:59 a111 Logged on 2016-08-10 15:16 asciilifeform: incidentally, a Useful Product Idea, plug-in replacement guidance module for popular flying toys, to pick arbitrary quiet frequency spread in a reasonably broad swatch of spectrum, when remote is paired with toy, rather than the current 'legal' jammable idiocy.
~ 19 minutes ~
19:18 pete_dushenski bc.i is back.
19:20 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm pretty sure the definition of Fratire is older than the Tucker Max one by decades. Maybe even a whole century.
19:21 pete_dushenski who knew tucker max was so progressive. reappropriating old words is libtard 101. ie. "wage slaves aren't slaves because only blacks can be slaves!!1"
19:23 shinohai BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/1fUH
19:27 BingoBoingo ty
19:27 mircea_popescu speaking of which, anyone recall the original "oh i created social consensus by talking to my own sock puppets on some forum and the imbecile law firm partners BELIEVED IT" scam ?
19:28 mircea_popescu kinda what tucker max is known for, really. notwithstanding various attempts to market self since, essentially it's "im this dude who scammed a bunch of lawyers astroturfing social media"
19:31 shinohai I forgot to add BingoBoingo, Charlie Shrem was unavailable for comment
19:32 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/noodle-bricks-overtaking-smokes-as-us-prison-currency-standard/ << Qntra - Noodle Bricks Overtaking Smokes As US Prison Currency Standard
19:33 mircea_popescu and in other "better homes and bimbo guestrooms" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3tuy50uOe1rrhvpno1_500.gif
19:35 pete_dushenski " Gresham's Law bitch!" << i lolled :D
19:40 ben_vulpes that redhead and dean!
19:40 BingoBoingo shinohai: He's out and there is little compelling reason to trust his take on trends anyways.
19:40 ben_vulpes f-faye raegan?
19:40 BingoBoingo $gettrust Yankee
19:40 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
19:40 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: good set?
19:40 ben_vulpes or video or whatever the variety speak is
19:41 mircea_popescu the idea is nb.
19:41 mircea_popescu "clears the mind".
19:42 shinohai You know, there is a sense of accomplishment that comes from actually getting a story about ramen published in Qntra.
19:43 * pete_dushenski to anniversary dinner. korean styles!
~ 25 minutes ~
20:09 * asciilifeform looked up 'tucker max', wants the 5 minutes back!1111
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20:16 * ben_vulpes installed cocoapods and friends, wants the day back
~ 1 hours 5 minutes ~
21:22 phf > cocoapods
21:26 phf http://qntra.net/2016/08/noodle-bricks-overtaking-smokes-as-us-prison-currency-standard/ << ramen is main ingredient in spread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sv4nb5VbAY
21:28 phf i think that has something to do with monotonous, high carb diet that those guys receive otherwise, to keep them pacified
21:34 asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2016/08/noodle-bricks-overtaking-smokes-as-us-prison-currency-standard/#comment-67884 << related.
21:38 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2TTylnS6QM "~normally~ you're going to make it in a bag like that"
~ 16 minutes ~
21:55 phf "<jackdaniel> [04:47:11] keep in mind my CLIM fu is very weak though :)" yet the guy is collecting money for paid CLIM internals development
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21:56 asciilifeform suckah's born evryminute.
21:56 asciilifeform (and N to take'im)
22:07 asciilifeform $up abitserious1
22:07 deedbot abitserious1 voiced for 30 minutes.
22:16 asciilifeform tail -n 1000 znc-#trilema.log | grep -c "felipelalli has quit"
22:16 asciilifeform 6
22:16 asciilifeform on a typical day.
22:17 asciilifeform somebody buy the fella a new modem ??
22:17 shinohai or teach *him* to use znc
22:17 asciilifeform or.
22:18 asciilifeform ;;seen felipelalli
22:18 gribble felipelalli was last seen in #trilema 3 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 44 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <felipelalli> mircea_popescu: why mpex isn't listed on Google anymore? https://www.google.com.br/#safe=off&q=mpex I just realized that yesterday, is that purposeful?
22:22 phf "Systemd Rolls Out Its Own Mount Tool ☶ linux systemd phoronix.com"
22:23 phf phoronix by the way consistently produces pro-freedesktop pro-redhat articles
22:35 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
22:35 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
22:36 gabriel_laddel http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526961 < Yeah, I'm an idiot. It's even worse than that though - beach (robert strandh) bertay
22:36 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 17:35 a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 16:40 phf: asciilifeform: that attention from fundraiser and marketing that gabriel_laddel was so excited about ~obviously~ attracted not talent, but the usual modernizer suspects. i'm reading their channel logs and marvel.
22:36 gabriel_laddel ed the CLIM project
22:37 asciilifeform how's that
22:37 gabriel_laddel We'd previously discussed all the time wasted on 'backends', he agreed that we should get rid of them etc etc, and then a little bit of money shows up and BAM, he's happy to entertain any number of idiots trying to 'modernize' McCLIM
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22:38 gabriel_laddel Also, he's funding jackdaniel, who is generating all the noise
22:40 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527236 << occasional lulzcow. definitive piece being https://archive.is/u41WH#selection-581.0-601.267
22:40 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 00:09 asciilifeform looked up 'tucker max', wants the 5 minutes back!1111
22:40 mircea_popescu this was cca 1999 mind you, ie, about TWENTY YEARS AGO.
22:40 mircea_popescu but the slowtrain patients still imagine "reddit consensus" etc today.
22:41 mircea_popescu it's like being the ohio state valedictorian.
22:41 gabriel_laddel on the other hand, beach did implement some of McCLIM on CLX, wrote the lisp-mode for climacs and has maintained the project for years
22:43 mircea_popescu ;;later tell felipelalli plox to stop with the log in log out or you'll get banned.
22:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527264 << geeks have no backbone, news at 11. there's some that are stubborn and a few more that are ambitious ; but neither of these qualifies.
22:44 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 02:37 gabriel_laddel: We'd previously discussed all the time wasted on 'backends', he agreed that we should get rid of them etc etc, and then a little bit of money shows up and BAM, he's happy to entertain any number of idiots trying to 'modernize' McCLIM
22:44 gabriel_laddel He's french, which is probably the core of this.
22:46 phf https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3191/2526878703_5c6eaf10c3_b.jpg << nah this picture of his is probably enough to understand what his "discussed and agreed" count for
22:46 mircea_popescu ye think ?
22:46 gabriel_laddel "SIR the enemy approachs! How many men is it going take to defend paris?" "nfi, it's never been tried"
22:46 felipelalli mircea_popescu: you don't know how to hide these annoying messages in your client? I am not doing this purposely. Or it is the network, or I turned my notebook off and on again.
22:46 mircea_popescu phf fellow looks quite intelligent there.
22:47 mircea_popescu felipelalli it's not a matter of me hiding them ; really look into getting a znc instrance, it's 10 bux a yeart or somesuch
22:48 felipelalli ok, I'll look for it, thank you. I forgot about znc.
22:50 phf ok, i've no idea what my point was, huh
22:51 gabriel_laddel Eh, this is all my fault anyways. I'll file it under 'agreeing to anything counts for nothing unless in-wot' also 'recover key, dolt'
22:51 mircea_popescu hey, at least you're young.
22:52 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: got a mailbox yet ?
22:52 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: no?
22:52 gabriel_laddel you said you're not sending anything without my key, so I've not asked.
22:52 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: there's a crate here with gabriel_laddel's name on it...
22:53 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: email? I have a name and address I can use right now if you're willing to forego the key. Else, waiting.
22:53 gabriel_laddel (person in question sent me addy for something unrelated)
22:53 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel oughta find his key.
22:54 phf hehe "i 'av it, gov'na, i swer on me mum"
22:55 asciilifeform and if he hasn't got it, to make new one sooner, and start working on new life, is better than later.
22:55 gabriel_laddel Lel. I'm not swearing to anything. But if you want to take a what, sub 100 usd risk of sending it to $rando, I've the info.
22:55 asciilifeform раньше сядешь -- раньше выйдешь (tm) (r)
22:56 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel I'll file it under 'agreeing to anything counts for nothing unless in-wot' << = >> But if you want to take a what, sub 100 usd risk of sending it to $rando, I've
22:56 mircea_popescu apparently it's hard huh.
22:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: apparently i fail yet again as educator.
22:56 phf yo gotta try socratic method
22:56 mircea_popescu don't feel too bad, i got a lot of experience with this on slavegirls
22:56 mircea_popescu "master, i have learned lesson, will never ever X again" "bitch, you just did". *dumbfounded look* "back to your cell."
22:57 mircea_popescu with the best of intentions, learning is ~impossible a task.
22:57 gabriel_laddel Meh, I wouldn't be entertaining this notion if it were not for the fact that I can ~ sell ~ the x61.
22:58 mircea_popescu but the good news is that after the first however many years of triple to five-nine failure rate, it drops to one or two, meaning that often you're forcfed to repeat the same point less than a hundred times!
22:58 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: it's worth about fiddybux.
22:58 asciilifeform (if that)
22:58 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: not running masamune it's not.
22:59 mircea_popescu lol he wants to put his software on it and sell it, check out the jew gates!
22:59 mircea_popescu im curious if this kid's actually going places.
22:59 gabriel_laddel it's quite possible I might get jailed first..
23:00 asciilifeform well hey, if he's got a +ev amplifier, why not skip lunch a day or two and buy old comp with ~that~, then sell... rinse, repeat
23:00 mircea_popescu i imagine he already doesn't eat.
23:00 asciilifeform iirc smokes tho. can forgo smokes for a day, buy with that.
23:01 phf ahaha forgo smokes
23:01 mircea_popescu eh nevermind playing civ with other people's smokes.
23:01 asciilifeform hey nobody said life of ze mind is eaasy!
23:01 mircea_popescu alf is totally getting raped in prison.
23:01 asciilifeform it'll have to be for forgo-tinned-fish
23:01 asciilifeform (smokes, i recently learned, have been forbidden in the prison here)
23:01 * gabriel_laddel is presently eating sardines in harrisa, artichoke halves, olives and bread.
23:02 mircea_popescu SELL THEM!!!
23:02 asciilifeform $s trading sardines
23:02 a111 3 results for "trading sardines", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trading%20sardines
23:02 mircea_popescu o nevermind, i got it all wrong! "Tucker Max had the opportunity to be a spokesman for a generation. He had the opportunity to lend his voice to the revolt against the effeminization of North American Men, and maybe even lead a 21st-century revival of classical masculinity. Instead, he is pissing that opportunity away, in the hopes that he’ll earn a morsel of approval from the gatekeepers of mainstream culture and literatur
23:02 mircea_popescu e. The sad part is, he’s not even selling out. He’s trading principles, honesty and consistency for nothing. He will not reap money, power, or fame from his transformation into an emasculated poof. Tucker Max is ignoring his opportunity to be a part of history, and his only reward will be a well-deserved slide into obscurity." (cca 2012.)
23:05 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
23:05 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
23:06 phf i thought milo yiannopoulos is the new tucker max
23:09 gabriel_laddel vending machines for drugs. rigged with explosives.
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23:09 mircea_popescu which one is that one ?
23:09 mircea_popescu not the conservative-gay-nick-denton ?
23:12 phf the same, but i thought nick denton has that mainstream legitimacy. tucker max and m.y. seem like they exist in the same blogspace, i.e. people who used to post videos about 9/11 truth with that matrix soundtrack
23:13 mircea_popescu i dunno, maybe.
23:14 mircea_popescu truth be told us subculture is kinda arid and uninteresting a topic.
23:15 mircea_popescu from obama's speeches to latest lindsay lohan lirics, i'd rather watch africans build huts.
23:15 phf at least later is mildly educational
23:15 mircea_popescu i suppose the sentiment is mutual : trilema is too hard, hurts the head and the undercurrent of disdain is hard to miss, even for esl tards.
23:17 * asciilifeform meanwhile searched for vendor to buy a ranque-hilsch tube, and ran into http://www.goldenspiralresearch.co.uk/implosion.html
23:17 asciilifeform ^ who said american subcultures had to be a snore! there still remain 'timecubes' from '90s !1111
23:17 mircea_popescu co.uk ?
23:18 asciilifeform airstrip one!111
23:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7EE9D7418360EBF5222D566B0A5B811023AC29616EBC02A9EE52BDB5A00038A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 109599797444024509787856438588803873233485202369776957423109401507256514201183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '2.116.209.1 (ssh-rsa key from 2.116.209.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+2.116.209.1@mkj.lt>; '
23:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A558B10A1CCC09194358E0502CAFA4415F57F1944DD9FE618E2A2E2D29EFAC0F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 109599797444024509787856438588803873233485202369776957423109401507256514201183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.177 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+217.57.196.177@mkj.l
23:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24698AD72475BB28F25AD63CC626A01EC41AF82BC51BC4CB8118FC5B15BDF42E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 109599797444024509787856438588803873233485202369776957423109401507256514201183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.179 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+217.57.196.179@mkj.l
23:19 mircea_popescu is this first across A classes ?
23:19 asciilifeform Telecom Italia
23:19 asciilifeform and no.
23:19 mircea_popescu aok
23:20 mircea_popescu phf intel says "roosh", ie some middle eastern looking kid.\
23:21 asciilifeform that sounds very familiar
23:21 asciilifeform for some reason.
23:21 asciilifeform ( iirc mr mold linked to him, or possibly a node or two away )
23:21 phf mircea_popescu: that's a very fine intel
23:22 asciilifeform 'pua' genre.
23:22 mircea_popescu o damn the pua thing.
23:22 mircea_popescu dude, the naughts... what a dumb time i swear.
23:23 gabriel_laddel https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/24/the-poop-gap/
23:23 mircea_popescu this'd better not be freshly donged assholes.
23:23 gabriel_laddel does mircea_popescu have slavegirls swallow stool samples to bring their own tastes inline with his own?
23:24 asciilifeform 'AS THE SUN set over Lake Eyasi in Tanzania, nearly thirty minutes had passed since I had inserted a turkey baster into my bum and injected the feces of a Hadza man – a member of one of the last remaining hunter-gatherers tribes in the world – into the nether regions of my distal colon. I struggled to keep my legs in the air with my toes pointing towards what I thought was the faint outline of the Southern Cross rising in the eve
23:24 asciilifeform ning sky. With my hands under my hips – and butt perched against a large rock for support – I peddled an imaginary upside down bicycle in the air to pass the time as I struggled to make sure my new gut ecosystem stayed put inside me.'
23:24 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i had a chick suck out a banana like once, "de palmares". not really into the stuff tbh.
23:24 gabriel_laddel nono, to change her gut bacteria forever
23:24 gabriel_laddel put it in a gel cap or w/e
23:25 mircea_popescu what makes you think yours would win out ?
23:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this sounds closer to faggot insemination fantasy than anything.
23:25 gabriel_laddel Idk, never tried. Since you are the master in the relationship, I'd assume the sampling would only go one direction.
23:25 gabriel_laddel but I guess we have our answer
23:26 asciilifeform the 'shit transplant' thing never made sense to me, we all eat 10,001 kinds of bacteria every day, and yet some folks have one config, other - other, etc.
23:26 mircea_popescu yeah but did anyone tell the sample!
23:26 mircea_popescu you know the joke with the jew and the dog ?
23:26 gabriel_laddel which one?
23:26 mircea_popescu scrawny jew trying to go by gate of large house where huge hounds. they bark him fiercely, he's afraid to pass.
23:26 gabriel_laddel a yea
23:26 mircea_popescu owner is like "go ahead, what, don't you know barkin' dogs don't bite ?"
23:26 mircea_popescu "sure, but pray ask, do the dogs know too ?"
23:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the transplant is re specific problem, c difficile infestation.
23:29 mircea_popescu it's ~the equivalent of making candida chick scissor with un-candida chick. except obv this'd work the other way.
23:29 asciilifeform ah.
23:31 asciilifeform the 'let's copy gut bacteria of tribe x' thing is then reminiscent of the early days of blood transfusion, when it was tried as a crackpot cure for just about everything.
23:31 gabriel_laddel blood transfusion from young mice to old is supposed to help the latter iirc
23:31 mircea_popescu well yeah, it works so shockingly for one thing that they started doing it "to see". and there's DEFINITELY a strong undercurrent of alt-sex in there.
23:31 mircea_popescu modern white guy is a little bit nutty.
23:32 asciilifeform 'it worx shockingly!' is almost automatic way to produce a cargo cult.
23:33 mircea_popescu recall the lulz of the various "corporations" in early history of finance ? brits got wind of italian/dutch economic practice, started... well, kickstarting basically.
23:33 asciilifeform aha.
23:33 asciilifeform and never stopped.
23:34 mircea_popescu arguably, yeah.
23:38 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
23:38 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
23:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527331 << this reminds me...
23:48 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 03:09 gabriel_laddel: vending machines for drugs. rigged with explosives.
23:49 asciilifeform picture how the infamous http://harveysbombing.com/Photos.html could have worked with bitcoin.
23:51 mircea_popescu shinohai lmao check that out, exactly 0 tardstalk productivity. da fuck is wrong with the mouthbreathers.
23:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509011
23:51 a111 Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them'
23:52 mircea_popescu oh in other lulz, https://twitter.com/daviddeangelo
23:53 asciilifeform http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2015/08/25/bomb-shook-lake-tahoe/32363451 << more re harvey bomb.
23:54 phf i guess they didn't pay
23:55 asciilifeform https://www.damninteresting.com/the-zero-armed-bandit << better pic.
23:55 mircea_popescu wait who didn't pay ?
23:56 asciilifeform harveys casino.
23:56 mircea_popescu lol
23:57 mircea_popescu holy shit uncyclopedia moved on to fucking wikia.
23:58 mircea_popescu there's no hope for the interwebs. seriously now.
23:58 phf !!
23:58 gribble Error: "!" is not a valid command.
23:58 mircea_popescu http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/David_DeAngelo%27s_Newsletter/Newsletter < look at that shit
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