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00:10 pete_dushenski re: diff jump, largest pool now down to 18%, 2nd place at 17% according to https://blockchain.info/pools. top two pools had ~50% just six months ago when famous bbet tx was 'lost'. competition is heating up within the not-so-monolithic chinese cartel. nothing divides and conquers like btc y'know.
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00:10 scriba Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
00:12 * pete_dushenski brushes off alfotron on shoulder muttering something barely audibly about 'hash laundry'
00:12 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: ViaBTC and antpool are a case of twincest
00:13 ben_vulpes is there any good reason to trust that chart?
00:16 BingoBoingo no
00:29 pete_dushenski my only defense of that likely fraudulent chart is just that a warped measuring stick is at least wrong in a consistent and predictable way. this assumes all sorts of beneficence on the part of bc.i, however.
00:34 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/11/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-15-tmr-pence-in-our-time/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 15 (TM)(R) – Pence In Our Time
00:34 scriba Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
00:46 pete_dushenski "it would still be unsurprising if they gave up on their fiction1 and began reporting magenta, dove gray, or old hot dog as their exchange rate" << lol.
00:46 * pete_dushenski tips cap to bb for xtend mention of silly bet.
~ 17 minutes ~
01:04 BingoBoingo yw, not really news, but involves crypto certifiable persons
~ 1 hours 58 minutes ~
03:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571320 << tru.
03:03 a111 Logged on 2016-11-20 02:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. << Different salvia. Tripping balls salvia has sparse shitty flowers if it flowers.
03:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571339 << all drunk crashes in history beg to differ.
03:06 a111 Logged on 2016-11-20 03:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the difference between eyes and electronic sensors on cars, ofc, is that you know when eyes stop working before it's too late. either way, if trumpenreich is to restore full employment to amerika, abolishing the minimum wage will make a full-time chauffeur affordable to anyone who can also spend $100k on a tesla or equiv.
03:08 mircea_popescu steve bannon planning "entirely new political movement" ? OH WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED!
03:08 mircea_popescu other than they who did.
03:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571360 "when will we ever learn... when will we ever learn." and with music now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9t7LbNpQcE
03:11 a111 Logged on 2016-11-20 05:10 pete_dushenski: re: diff jump, largest pool now down to 18%, 2nd place at 17% according to https://blockchain.info/pools. top two pools had ~50% just six months ago when famous bbet tx was 'lost'. competition is heating up within the not-so-monolithic chinese cartel. nothing divides and conquers like btc y'know.
03:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i love the "immanent trumpreich" bit. kant ftw.
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06:22 scriba Restarting for logging update
06:23 Framedragger trinque: you're right. was laziness on my part (it logs to actual log, too, so this is unneeded to boot)
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09:18 mircea_popescu incidentally, did we ever do pl/i ?
09:19 mircea_popescu "Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not? Multiply a character string times a bit string and assign the result to a float decimal? Go ahead! Free a controlled variable procedure parameter and reallocate it before passing it back? Overlay three different types of variable on the same memory location? Anything you say! Write a recursive macro? Well, no, but Real Men use rescan."
~ 15 minutes ~
09:34 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: lol, anyways I'm planning to subtitle Xtends going forward so I can tell WTF past extends were roughly about
09:35 mircea_popescu aha
09:35 BingoBoingo 14 was a lot of number, 15 still a lot of number, next week still more number
09:36 * shinohai smacks jhvh1 for not tweeting the latest Xtended.
09:36 mircea_popescu lol you autotweet them ?
09:36 shinohai Autotweets all Qntra and trilemas
09:36 mircea_popescu where ?
09:37 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/pulp-n-rind/
09:37 shinohai https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/800067414918467584 <<< for example
09:37 mircea_popescu o hey.
09:38 mircea_popescu somebody should tell ver the 2010s blue shirts are no longer fashionable.
09:39 shinohai I keep trolling ver but he won't block me! @zooko blocked me with a *single* tweet
09:39 mircea_popescu hm. actually - somebody should help ver along the lines of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570491 as it occurs telling the poor man ain't gonna do much.
09:39 a111 Logged on 2016-11-19 04:41 mircea_popescu: "no, i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where i used to work."
09:47 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxppNdbW8AAqfSa.jpg <<< troll harder
09:52 mircea_popescu at least she has her active social life to fall back on.
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11:49 asciilifeform !!up frompeanutgaller
11:49 deedbot frompeanutgaller voiced for 30 minutes.
11:49 asciilifeform aww.
11:50 Framedragger ^ london. gchq waved a quick "hi"
11:50 asciilifeform it is likely from a http://webchat.freenode.net i left in reddit thread somebody put here the other day.
11:51 Framedragger the public outreach efforts are commendable
11:51 asciilifeform them peanut folk are surprisingly shy
11:52 asciilifeform (we had how many, few dozen? 'fromphuctor' folk. and 1, 2, spoke ?)
11:55 Framedragger maybe not used to irc. "i can't add a shallow-pun-comment and feel like i contributed. i'm supposed to do.. dialogue, or something."
11:55 asciilifeform do they not have conversations in meatspace..?
11:57 Framedragger i think that many of them do not, in the sense that e.g. you understand "conversation". i don't know. i got that picture when i had spent time on reddit.
11:58 Framedragger socially awkward and generally inept, choose 2 of 2 to describe typical redditor.
11:58 asciilifeform i got acct on reddit 10 years ago now... still remember when there were ~people~ there
11:58 asciilifeform for short time, 2006-7ish.
11:58 Framedragger tbh i think there still are some small subreddits with people. couldn't confirm tho.
11:58 asciilifeform and there is gold and uranium in ocean water.
11:59 asciilifeform (almost the entire mendeleev table, in fact!111)
11:59 Framedragger /r/askhistorians is sometimes okay (very strict moderation, removal of inane comments, and banning of stupid users.)
11:59 Framedragger not saying it's worth the effort to dig!
12:00 Framedragger (e.g. current new post & answer; didn't read in detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5dwk60/how_bad_would_it_have_smelled_in_a_medieval_city/ )
12:01 mircea_popescu i don't think the general public is mentally capable of using irc. it just doesn't fit the reddit/disqus/chatroulette/4chan/whatever thing
12:02 shinohai Oh WE MUST HAZ SLACK NAU
12:02 shinohai with emojis! How can you chat w/out emojis?
12:03 mircea_popescu which is kinda the point - the context must be a) narrow and b) poking you in the eye. the problem with irc, and es-fucking-pecially irc as practiced here is that the context is vast, so vast it makes a circle much further out than the general myopia can perceive.
12:03 asciilifeform shinohai: 'slack' is simply today's 'aol messenger', 'icq', same '90s centralized chatroom item. sufficiently similar, on surface, to irc, that i'd imagine folks would be used to the concept ?
12:03 mircea_popescu nah, icq was cool. to this day it dominates the pronz, but back in the 90s it was simply the thing./
12:03 asciilifeform srsly?! today?!
12:03 mircea_popescu aha.
12:03 asciilifeform the central box still runs?!
12:04 mircea_popescu oya. most people involved on the business side still have and daily use icq
12:04 * asciilifeform mind boggles
12:04 asciilifeform in 2003 i bought a massive hp pa-risc box (complete with emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails, etc) and it turned out to have been an old aol 'messenger' server !
12:04 mircea_popescu hey, hi5 actually survived a while in foreign markets also.
12:05 asciilifeform (sadly nothing of interest was to be found therein, but for the fact)
12:06 Framedragger "emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails" << that's just plain sexy
12:06 asciilifeform at any rate from my 'general's armchair' i am hard-pressed to technically distinguish aim, watsap, icq, slack.
12:06 mircea_popescu Framedragger ironically, it didn't smell that bad. smell is a subjective sense.
12:07 Framedragger subjective and context-adjusting / relative, i guess? makes sense
12:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform icq is os.
12:07 asciilifeform Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1527135 << thread
12:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 21:07 asciilifeform: phf: even as late as late '90s, machines with such 'feel' were made.
12:08 mircea_popescu or at least was back when the jews owned it, no idea now. iirc aol actually bought them
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there were, iirc, openly published clients for all of these
12:08 asciilifeform the ~servers~ were centralized
12:08 mircea_popescu also from a cultural pov perspective - it was the first one of many things ; including the first im.
12:08 mircea_popescu at a time when irc required a lot more competence to use.
12:09 mircea_popescu note that irc is also based on centralized servers, freenode flimflammery about donated servers aside - sure, you can donate, if your name doesn't start with m, but n.
12:09 asciilifeform in the same sense where ftp is
12:09 asciilifeform who wants - go, make server.
12:10 mircea_popescu no. in the same exact sense facebook is.
12:10 mircea_popescu who wants - go, make facebook.
12:10 mircea_popescu but the notion of handling 1to1 rather than 1tomany and manyto1 is not without merit ; and it allowed them to protect the users from many problems of irc, which is why it blew past irc usage by 2000
12:11 asciilifeform eh they were all 'manyto1', the 1 centralized aol box. (at least in the case of aol messenger, which was popular in usa at the time)
12:11 mircea_popescu icq predates aim.
12:12 Framedragger !#s federated xmpp
12:12 a111 1 result for "federated xmpp", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=federated%20xmpp
12:12 * asciilifeform blows dust off protocol docs
12:12 Framedragger ahaha, 2013: "mircea_popescu: i would never use anything that implements a protocol for any serious purpose anymore."
12:12 Framedragger "mircea_popescu: bitcoin isn't a protocol, it's a fucking c hairball."
12:12 Framedragger nice
12:12 mircea_popescu lol wtf is this
12:13 Framedragger this is mircea_popescu in september 2013, in response to "pankkake: federated xmpp isn't that bad. it can do voice/video/text with encryption" ;)
12:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-12#303862 << better quote.
12:13 a111 Logged on 2013-09-12 00:26 mircea_popescu: just don't try to sell me on any sort of comittees making "industry standards" or anything.
12:13 mircea_popescu early republican sentiment!
12:14 Framedragger yeah, fair 'nuff
12:15 asciilifeform seems like icq used central server exactly as aol.
12:15 mircea_popescu no. aol used central server exactly like icq.
12:15 asciilifeform (actual p2p chat between kons000mer d00dz behind NATs was impractical then just as now)
12:23 mircea_popescu and in other things that apparently if incomprehensibly still exist, http://www.litespeedtech.com/index.php/solutions/shared-hosting-users
12:23 asciilifeform weirdo proprietary httptron?
12:24 asciilifeform iirc microshit's is still around also..
12:24 mircea_popescu drop-in apache replacement!
12:24 mircea_popescu i strongly doubt it actually does any replacing, but hey.
12:24 asciilifeform hey if ~proprietary pgp~ still exists...
12:29 shinohai Professor Jay Forrester, inventor of RAM, dies at 1100010 http://archive.is/3RNi9
12:30 asciilifeform 'Forrester became a critic of growth, a position that earned him few friends.'
12:31 asciilifeform mccarthy, ritchie, forrester, gone... when the good doktor knuth finally kicks it, it'll be finally time to glass the place
12:31 asciilifeform nothing but roaches - left.
12:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform absolutely everyone, from grace hopper to you name it, went away 1990-2010.
12:33 asciilifeform вызываю огонь на себя ! (tm) (r)
12:39 mircea_popescu Framedragger re the above, consider just the fucking x.500 x.509 debacle.
12:39 mircea_popescu there is exactly 0 value in the bureaucrat ontology.
12:41 Framedragger ah, good example.. (yeah totally agree here)
12:47 mircea_popescu for that matter, exercise for the curious youth : find out why the 21st pin on the system bus in your fucking machine can be set to zero.
12:54 mircea_popescu or, for that matter, look into why triple-fault switching rather than using the god damned reset signal ended up a programming standard.
12:54 mircea_popescu or on it goes.
12:54 asciilifeform '640k is enough for anyone' (tm)
12:55 mircea_popescu (pro tip - triple fault resetting is STILL in the linux kernel.)
12:56 asciilifeform it -- notably -- worx on all x86 boxen, unlike the acpi 'soft reset' crapola which -- not so much
12:56 mircea_popescu hey - standards, amirite.
12:57 asciilifeform (btw when you throw acpi crapolade out of linuxbios, the binary shrinks 2x)
12:57 asciilifeform 'BUT IT WOULD BE WRONG'
12:58 mircea_popescu here's the whole story of standard : 1. hey, wouldn't it be great if we mattered ? 2. so if it'd be great, then therefore we matter! 3. our not mattering is wrong!
12:58 asciilifeform 4. watch those schmucks over there, they built a working machine. and now nobody needs'em, they dun MATTER. 5. we will not make this mistake
12:59 mircea_popescu "Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not?"
13:02 * asciilifeform has a relative who moved to usa in 1980s and made phat wage programming in PL/I for many many years. it is 'featurism' incarnate, like american legal code. and for roughly same reason.
13:03 mircea_popescu the thing everyone-but-us fails to comprehend is that the ~only way in which a relatively simple functional system becomes the de facto standard is through a lofty body of pretense declaring a much more complex and dysfunctional system "the standard".
13:04 asciilifeform there were (and for all i know, still !) periodic conventions where folks would demand MOAR featuritis
13:04 mircea_popescu i'm sure.
13:05 asciilifeform and i always liked to imagine that a pl/i programmer dies like the proverbial talmudist dies, when a volume of the megalithic encyclopaedia of crapolade finally falls on his head from the top shelf
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13:28 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/SG5uV << this is actuallty a pretty decent read (by virtue of the anodyne jew "authoring" the piece out of mostly verbatim bannon material)
13:30 mircea_popescu the point where the murdoch clan is going to probably try and reconstruct "conservative" fox into a "centrist" bullshit built around that mispelled megan kelly harlot (really, ambitious news anchor who lied about the network boss "sexually harassing" her to try and take his place, what a fine clinton!)
13:30 mircea_popescu and the point where the conservatives are likely going to hate trump more than the liberals ever did, two years from now.
13:32 mircea_popescu the point where hillary talked to the WRONG set of 9bn-worth corps with 9 employees, ie the failure of the usg to elect its candidate has exactly to do with the elites deserting it in favour of the republic, ie http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/
13:32 mircea_popescu now the part where the financial markets afford a once-in-a-century opportunity to rebuild is sound ; but the part where jacked up "iron works and shipyards" are the answer is ridiculous.
13:33 asciilifeform or say, mr.t's 'rebuild and reinvigorate' (or what was it) nsa/cia
13:33 asciilifeform догоним и перегоним !
13:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's no way around it - us signals is more of a joke than stalin's were in 1938.
13:34 mircea_popescu whole thing has to be scrapped and rebuilt, they're a laughingstock not for actually competent players such as romania, but for utter nobodies from fucking arfrica / latam
13:34 asciilifeform and what is this 'rebuild' nonsense. where is the smoke of the ovens cremating the megatonnes of defective hyooman materiel ?
13:34 asciilifeform i dun smell any smoke.
13:34 mircea_popescu hey, ask 'em not me.
13:40 mircea_popescu anyway, it's clear bannon has no more use of the gop than of the dems ; trump's intelligent ouvertures to libertard reps evidently bear his signature. you're going to get your brown shirts next year chances are.
13:44 * asciilifeform practices, 'Spieß voran! Drauf und dran! Setzt aufs Princetondach den Roten Hahn!'
13:51 * mircea_popescu wonders if by trumpreich rules, he is more us citizen than colored woman born there.
13:53 asciilifeform there are really 2 'trumpreichs', the imaginary, spherical one, which is friend of tmsr, sound money, etc. and the physical one, that is (to borrow from lenin) 'we smashed the old shithouse and now gotta build new one using the bricks of the old'
13:53 mircea_popescu lol ok
13:53 asciilifeform in the former - yes, d00d like mircea_popescu who can do arithmetic and write down the alphabet, say, is citizen, and locally born monkey - not.
13:54 asciilifeform in the latter - i have nfi. SHIPYARDS!11111
13:56 * asciilifeform off to try an' get $useful_thing done, bbl.
13:56 mircea_popescu nobody planning to spend a trn dollars can possibly be for sound money.
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14:11 Framedragger !#s mpex
14:11 a111 59379 results for "mpex", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mpex
14:12 Framedragger "dns"
14:12 mircea_popescu hm ?
14:12 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i'm putting up a webpage which mentions phuctor, and i want to give reference to S.NSA as the corporation which produced phuctor. how do i link to mpex?
14:13 Framedragger can i link by ip address? if so, which?
14:13 Framedragger or is it not supposed to be reachable by non-mpex-users?
14:13 mircea_popescu 23.235.235.115 23.235.235.227 for example.
14:13 Framedragger ah, ty!
14:13 mircea_popescu you can archive pages if you prefer.
14:14 Framedragger yo scriba, http://23.235.235.115
14:14 Framedragger and http://23.235.235.227
14:14 mircea_popescu anyway, ima get it some more domains jus didn't get around to it
14:15 mircea_popescu but the important point here i guess is that mpex is a service ; not a publisher. you're essentially asking "how do i include some pigeons in my book"
14:15 mircea_popescu well... unless you have a camera that works, i have no idea. the pigeons ~themselves~ aren't book-ready.
14:16 Framedragger sure, i guess i catch the drift
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14:37 mircea_popescu holy shit learn to distinguish fact and desire. or whatever, hillary 2016!
14:44 Framedragger !#s simondon
14:44 a111 0 results for "simondon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=simondon
14:44 Framedragger ^ this guy (died ca. 1960?) had things to say about cyberpunk. deleuze stole from him.
14:45 Framedragger iirc theres an essay on technical object, i admit to not reading it in whole, it's in mah list tho.
14:45 Framedragger but, it has that.. continental philosophy style. however, compared to deleuze and derrida, much less bullshit-y.
14:46 mircea_popescu cyberpunk as understood by bartle-likes is very different from what you think about. in this dork's mind it's strictly us and a consumer affair, of the 70s. like disco hair, us-gayness, pulp fiction or mechanical pianos.
14:46 mircea_popescu "no matter how you do your hair, you still gotta wake up when the alarm rings on monday morning" === "the real world always wins in the end".
14:46 Framedragger aha. mh yeah that sounds pretty derp
14:47 mircea_popescu it's soundly set on the footing of "i have no philosophy, just some hobbies to pass the time". americana entire, moreso than picket fences.
14:48 mircea_popescu kinda why they spent the 90s fascinated with fad diets and "issues". content-free "people".
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15:40 * mod6 adventures in db4.8_dump
15:44 shinohai The guy that tried scamming Eulora promotion moved on to scamming via faucet: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1674878
15:47 mod6 what a dolt. with less effort you can mine with your hands in eulora ftw.
15:48 mod6 "hey kid, mow the lawn."
15:48 shinohai He got butthurt because of getting caught and negrated me for not getting payed xD
15:49 mod6 smh
15:50 mod6 "i scammed you fair and square! you're a shitty victim! *negrate*"
15:50 shinohai lel
15:52 mod6 what's the old saying "scammers gonna scam"
15:52 mod6 you should have seen -otc in '11
15:53 shinohai In my few dealing on otc, I was fortunate enough to already know someone trustworthy there.
15:53 shinohai Was the only guy I ever dealt with.
15:53 mod6 werd
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16:48 jhvh1 [gpgram] pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xyqj7/?raw=true
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17:27 mircea_popescu doh
17:39 mircea_popescu speaking of this, and re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569760 : a) it was actually exactly the same usg pays via min wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durr) and b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain ammount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis,
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17:39 a111 Logged on 2016-11-18 16:46 asciilifeform: iirc there were earlier instances where mircea_popescu and other folx tried to recycle'em into something: the incident with the rental posters (who was that..?), the 'get epsilon btc to make eulora player', possibly other instances of beehive-fucking
17:39 mircea_popescu but it sure as fuck dun follow kalliergesis.
17:39 mircea_popescu more importantly c) intelligent folks know about it but dun seem inclined to try it ; perhaps because preconceived notions (oh, a game is below my intelligence and i couldn't be happy with a black woman), perhaps for whatever other cause.
17:39 mircea_popescu so you know, yes i do spend my money to make the world a less shitty place but plox don't take this as some sort of free radical ready to be combined with your stubborn refusal and yield whatever nutty interpretation. it ain't that free a radical.
17:46 mircea_popescu Framedragger and i suppose the point should be made, that yes wiener-cybernetics is an exercise in being ridiculous.
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18:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571570 << which wiener cybernetics ? the one in the book, with the analogue feedback loop machines etc ?
18:11 a111 Logged on 2016-11-20 22:46 mircea_popescu: Framedragger and i suppose the point should be made, that yes wiener-cybernetics is an exercise in being ridiculous.
18:12 asciilifeform (it is, incidentally, the idiot word salad 'fandom' of ~this~ 'cybernetics' that stalin banhammered, and not some other, practical thing)
18:12 mircea_popescu yes, the one with the "i'm going to describe the object according to genus and species i already have because lulz, my mom fucked herself to the moon"
18:13 asciilifeform as a student i read the thing, expecting the worst, but it was surprisingly sane
18:14 asciilifeform it was the 'fandom', on the other hand...
18:14 mircea_popescu all good jokes are persuasive, necessarily. the problem however is fundamental and ineluctable, or in simondon's own terms
18:14 mircea_popescu gah this place keeps forcing me to go digging through archives.
18:14 asciilifeform (needless to say, wiener's b00k has 0 to do with computer or any similar mechanism from today)
18:15 asciilifeform http://uberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Norbert_Wiener_Cybernetics.pdf << 133333337 w4r3z for anyone who for some odd reason needs this.
18:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571565 << 'min wage' as found in usa and elsewhere is a complex and long-term parasitic relationship, not a d00d who throws a penny at a bootblack and expects something other than derisive smirk
18:19 a111 Logged on 2016-11-20 22:39 mircea_popescu: speaking of this, and re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569760 : a) it was actually exactly the same usg pays via min wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durr) and b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain ammount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis,
18:19 asciilifeform the 'min wage' folx do this thing... where was the thread, with the 'we make a home!'
18:21 mircea_popescu "des le debut, la cybernetique a accepte ce que toute theorie de la technologie doit refuser : une classification des objets technologues menee par des criteres preexistants et selon des genres et especes etabils."
18:21 asciilifeform this is why 'convert stupid folx' is imho a total and irredeemable dead end -- because they are not ~that~ stupid, and - while knowing that beelzebub created them to die in a uranium mine at age 19, there is instead this scam where they get 'picket fence house' and a 'ford.' so why should they volunteer for the mine.
18:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your fixation with "a penny" doesn't help however. it wasn't a penny, it was more than they make at home.
18:22 asciilifeform but a 1time moar, neh?
18:22 mircea_popescu neh.
18:22 mircea_popescu it was open ended.
18:22 asciilifeform i'ma stfu re this point, because i never eulora'd.
18:22 asciilifeform so i have nfi
18:23 mircea_popescu neither did they :)
18:23 asciilifeform if it actually contains a 'min wage' apparatus inside somewhere, that these folx could theoretically pay rent from, i take it all back.
18:23 mircea_popescu it was an epic, explosive proof of the whole "poor people are poor because they are stupid, and for no other reason."
18:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you were to write timetables, how much time would you count "generate a pgp key and register it with deedbot" ? full hour ? ten minutes ? full day ?
18:24 asciilifeform it depends -- must i first learn the alphabet ?
18:24 mircea_popescu this is not how this job works.
18:25 asciilifeform well, for the purpose of this hypothetical, gotta pick, man or monkey
18:25 mircea_popescu you familiar with how army works ?
18:25 asciilifeform if monkey - i cannot answer , i am not a trainer of monkeys, do not know how long it takes
18:25 asciilifeform yes.
18:25 mircea_popescu to load up f-19 with sidewinders, 32 minutes
18:25 mircea_popescu to refuel plane under deck, 117 minutes
18:25 mircea_popescu etc.
18:25 asciilifeform but army has iq cutoff.
18:26 mircea_popescu use the same cutoff.
18:26 mircea_popescu or use whatever sane cutoff. after all - this is human resource engineering not metaphysics.
18:26 asciilifeform i'd give a literate tank loader , say, 30 min.
18:26 asciilifeform to make pgp key.
18:27 mircea_popescu so then. by this token working eulora would have paid them MORE than what going to college would have paid them.
18:27 mircea_popescu which means that if i charged them 50k a year for four years in advance - they'd be about even.
18:27 asciilifeform well that's for the intro. but does it smell sufficiently like 'meal ticket' ?
18:28 asciilifeform how much play does it take to extract, say, 1btc, with 'manual labour' ?
18:28 Framedragger asciilifeform: btw banners: i'm yet to clean up the logs (some time next week or thereafter), but just in case you're eager (prolly have lots on yer head tho), here they are: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/banners/ ; s1 has 13 files corresponding to the 13 bundles; s2 is from the additional bundle i sent you later (the re-scan + additional hosts). together this constitutes whole ipv4.
18:28 mircea_popescu there's no manual labour, it's a computer.
18:28 Framedragger the *banners.txt's are my partial cleanup, *_err_scan.log's are the original stderr's (with some junk in them). but i will clean this myself later. and siphnos.mkj.lt is where i'll host phuctor-related data. (it's on a separate unused vps, got an 'ok' from $work for now.)
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18:28 asciilifeform (1 btc / mo. will buy a starvation-level existence in the cheaper parts of usa. supposing you also know how to convert it to zimbabwistan currencies.)
18:28 asciilifeform Framedragger: do not hurry. my hands - quite full atm.
18:28 Framedragger kk. :)
18:29 mircea_popescu but, that aside, with no actual work (ie, on a windows machine, which is how we say "unprogrammable computer") something like a coupla weeks.
18:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for the record, i pegged same at 1hr rather than 30mins, but anyways.
18:30 asciilifeform would this 'mineral' coin remain, waiting to be dug out, in the game, if sizeable population of these folx actually appeared to look for it ..?
18:30 mircea_popescu no. i would have obviously been forced to end it eventually. however, they didn't even come fucking close to giving me a run for my money.
18:30 Framedragger (and for logs, http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/ << all data from ssh scans, in a more stable place.)
18:31 asciilifeform perhaps these people are slightly more 'long term' thinkers than appearances let on ?
18:31 asciilifeform and mother taught them 'no free lunch'
18:31 mircea_popescu understand the forces at work here - some dork famously promised to pay anyone commenting in his thing 1 bitcent if trump won. then trump won, and he ran off over a debt of ... 25btc, accumulated from a "massive" 2500 comments.
18:31 mircea_popescu i on the other hand paid out 1k btc on a whim.
18:31 mircea_popescu so yes - there'd be need for either 40 reddits ; or else you know, for less amphibian brains.
18:32 mircea_popescu but the "long term thinker" theory utterly fails when confronted with daily reality.
18:32 asciilifeform notice how 'civilians' (reddit folk etc) still react in disbelief when they read about mpex having worked as-described ? they will sooner believe in telekinesis, ufo proctologists abducting 50yo d00dz, divine healings, etc.
18:33 asciilifeform because a d00d keeping promises re money is so far removed from everyday experience of homo americanicus
18:33 mircea_popescu anyway - the point remains, there are REASONS i / we discredit things. there ACTUALLY WAS A WAY for "bitcoin community" on tardstalk to impress me.
18:33 mircea_popescu jsut as there was a way, years ago, for "bitcoin developer community" to impress me.
18:33 mircea_popescu that these doors successively close doth not mean they weren't there.
18:33 asciilifeform monkeys do not know how to turn door knob.
18:33 * shinohai found it a rather fun experiment, learned quite a bit along the way.
18:33 asciilifeform then -- or now.
18:34 mircea_popescu and therefore people are poor because stupid and for no other reasons.
18:34 mircea_popescu but anyway - at issue is not what is claimed / appears to be at issue. at issue is that people want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway, and not, for any reason, njot ever, be paid to change what they do or how they do it.
18:35 mircea_popescu which is why i got all the fiverr dorks failing miserably - they were simply applying the homer simpson heuristic - "i will now chomp my jaws and if a pie happens to go in the way a well".
18:35 mircea_popescu which is why - write 2500 pointless comments on reddit, yay! but make yourself a key nay!
18:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform consider the following amusing datapoint - other than the "intro" ie, first bitcent, people could make more through digging up ordinary claims for me. the way this works is that you end up with a lot of material, which has to be taken back to town, but you can't carry it, because overweight. there is A BOT! written, documented on wiki, discussed on channel, that shortcuts this.
18:37 mircea_popescu the few dudes who actually worked this dragged the fucking load BY HAND making DOZENS of trips. in spite of being told to read logs and read wiki.
18:37 mircea_popescu same thing could have been done by the built-in bot.
18:38 asciilifeform btw the same folx who spat on eulora coin -- happily jumped through 1,001 hoops to participate in pyramids on tardstalk etc. because, i suspect, they are not actually stupid, and pyramid offers the dull an opportunity to ~scan next level down~. whereas they could not see where greater fool is to come from at eulora.
18:38 mircea_popescu in one trip. with all the oversight of looking over two times over six minutes.
18:38 asciilifeform *scam next
18:39 mircea_popescu why not ?
18:39 asciilifeform sorta how if i throw some gold dust in a crack in city pavement, it will not lead to a gold rush
18:39 asciilifeform but if in an old mine - it might.
18:39 mircea_popescu they could have sold fucking ebooks about how to make money, like all the other shit they do. what is an "infoproduct" and why doesn't this qualify ?
18:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because even the dull know that bitcoin cannot be magicked out of the aether.
18:40 mircea_popescu get out of here.
18:40 mircea_popescu it's not even clear the general population knows it's not edible.
18:40 asciilifeform actually this may well be. and this train of thought has gone off the cliff of asciilifeform's very, very limited experience with the Expertly Sad demographic.
18:41 Framedragger i would wager a claim that hackernews folk - those who need the money and who click through - would be more motivated and more reflective than tardstalk kids (with large enough sample sizes to confirm). i'll consider finding some suitable wording to be posted there, assuming there being interest.
18:41 Framedragger (and yes HN is evil and it's possible it's censoring asciilifeform's posts)
18:42 asciilifeform Framedragger: you can try, our material generally lasts 1-2 hrs. there.
18:42 mircea_popescu Framedragger you will rediscover the same thing : that all the love for ycombinator comes out of the misplaced hopes of a bunch of potheads that graham will pay them to... be potheads.
18:42 Framedragger asciilifeform: i've seen (and i've posted under a normal-to-their-eyes non-newbie account myself, but mine may have just not attracted interest), fuck them, yes
18:43 asciilifeform Framedragger: what isn't clear to me is that we lose anything thereby
18:43 mircea_popescu since thye have no such hope about me, they "don't like" me. and so on. it's an easy enough game to play, but honestly i'd rather move to thailand and "seduce" the local whores, $50 at a time.
18:43 asciilifeform the hn, reddit, etc. bots+meatpuppets collectively sum to 0 imho.
18:43 Framedragger mircea_popescu: oh, i hear you, i've no love there. but some smart people still hang out there. but, yes, naivete of the youth, i submit that i've nothing to show until i've something to show
18:43 mircea_popescu in which vein, let me recount a little anecdote from personal history.
18:44 Framedragger the thailand plan intuitively attracts more, true..
18:44 asciilifeform Framedragger: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5dth6w/who_is_mircea << linked here last night. i left a webirc thing in there. total: 1 click. and 0 words.
18:45 mircea_popescu so yesterday i went to a bdsm vip party. this consists of about a hundred people in a hotel rented for the purpose. i brought the hottest girl there, by a fat margin. i took up a loft, with a nice view on the people below, cropped her lightly, fucked her and had a good time. while all this was going on, in a different place they were having an "auction" based on tokens from some dumbass website they have.
18:46 mircea_popescu because hey, selling the dumbasses for actual money would expose a) their collective poverty and b) force change. so they use tokens, which supposedly come "from activity", ie like reddit gold, but in practice are a transparent ploy to enforce a social hierarchy without social basis. ie, EXACTLY ycombinator.
18:46 asciilifeform usd is not so distant from reddit token.
18:46 mircea_popescu a dude "won" like three of the derpy adolescentine chicks, for an absurdly astronomical amount (literally, just his supposed bids overstate activity on that website by a factor of more than 100).
18:46 mircea_popescu then he proceeded to... use them. guess what this usage consisted of ?
18:46 asciilifeform (in terms for how seriously heavy holders come by it)
18:47 Framedragger https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5dth6w/who_is_mircea/da7oidf/ << heheh
18:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what do the 'winners' typically do with the 'win' ?
18:48 Framedragger mircea_popescu: use them by observing how other people fuck?
18:48 Framedragger or making girls fuck so he can observe them?
18:48 Framedragger this is amusing
18:48 mircea_popescu mno. you'd think at the very least he'd fuck them, but... no. he... masturbated them.
18:48 Framedragger oh
18:49 mircea_popescu all through this seeking my approval in the sense of trying to verify if im all that impressed. i... wasn't fucking impressed, because why the fuck would i be impressed with the male nurse.
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18:49 Framedragger kinda makes me sad
18:49 mircea_popescu that's the problem with social hierarchies without social basis : they corrupt, fundamentally. the "leader" becomes the servant.
18:49 mircea_popescu i could have told mine to jump off the fucking balcony. she would have.
18:49 asciilifeform this is quite puzzling, if you aren't into public fuck ( as asciilifeform for instance is not ) WHY COME to such party
18:49 mircea_popescu he couldn't as much as take their fucking knickers off because omaygerd amarisho!!1
18:50 mircea_popescu because they're into herding.
18:50 mircea_popescu and herding animals will go wherever there's herding safe spaces.
18:50 mircea_popescu which bdsm sould be exactly about NOT, but hey, let common people get involved in things, the things will look like common people.
18:51 mircea_popescu but back to the issue : they want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway AND STRICTLY THAT.
18:51 asciilifeform was showing up to this gig somehow 'expected', what, officemates in the dept. of derpland seekoority would make fun of d00d who didn't show ?
18:51 mircea_popescu nah.
18:51 Framedragger "i heard bdsm is the trend nao, i'll go there". such a waste...
18:51 mircea_popescu it's mostly a collection of confused girlies and hopelessly dorky dudes
18:51 asciilifeform roughly what sort of bag of money was needed to get in the door ?
18:52 mircea_popescu plus a few public servants, plus a few occasionals who have been bringing their WIFE who is also their sunday slave once a few months for years.
18:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't think money does it. they charge like 20 bux a head (yes, same for male or female, SAME IF ALONE etc!!1), but i think i'm on the list mostly because they're petriscared of me. it isn't open to the general public.
18:54 Framedragger "no possibility of transcend", so to speak, following protocol. (re. "can you pay me to do what i'm used to doing when i get paid")
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18:54 mircea_popescu aha.
18:55 mircea_popescu that's the whole fucking point. liberals ? NIGGA WHAT ?!?! nobody is a liberal, the last one died in siberia.
18:55 mircea_popescu they're UBERconservative, so fucking self-protective it boggles anyone's mind.
18:55 asciilifeform Framedragger: it isn't so different from ordinary concept of 'profession'. cobbler expects to be paid to make boots, not to sweep street. etc
18:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform none of (reddit clicking / forum derping / bdsming) is a profesion.
18:55 mircea_popescu they are supposed to be the opposite of professions : educations.
18:55 asciilifeform well no. but same circuits are engaged.
18:55 mircea_popescu wrongly.
18:57 Framedragger i'm sure that making say decent artisan boots ain't fuckin' easy at all. (sure, working as a knob in a large factory is another thing - though i'd like to see redditards sweat many hours a day at factory and not call for mommy)
18:57 mircea_popescu not a matter of easy or hard. a mater of separating vocation from avocation and your imortal soul from the fucking commerce spiel.
18:58 mircea_popescu also known as "have some fucking self respect" in some circles.
18:58 asciilifeform Framedragger: most folx in usa working 'office job' are not doing anything considerably different, in aesthetic or even results, than reddit click
18:58 mircea_popescu which is why they're so lost.
18:58 Framedragger i do see the general parallel, sure..
18:58 asciilifeform (and often there is considerable time on literal reddit etc. involved.)
18:58 Framedragger yeah.
18:59 Framedragger incidentally on HN frontpage http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/jobs/quit-social-media-your-career-may-depend-on-it.html
18:59 asciilifeform and american-style liberasty is simply the indignation of one set of redditors that the other is paid, while they - not
18:59 mircea_popescu this isn't even so far off.
18:59 mircea_popescu "marxism" reconstructed in social media jealousy.
18:59 mircea_popescu "why myspace users make myspace gold which is worth three reddit gold ?!?!? UNFARE!"
19:00 Framedragger heh. labour theory of value for reddit: i spend hour at reddit while you spend hour at reddit at work - why we unequal
19:01 mircea_popescu goes right with the "western women be bitchez" logics of the alt-unfucked.
19:02 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/zw2bw << lulz from above fishwrap. mr.t's vp goes to theatre, is heckled ~by the actors~ )
19:02 mircea_popescu hey, at least they didn;'t shoot him amirite.
19:02 asciilifeform aha!
19:02 asciilifeform that was my 1st thought
19:03 asciilifeform they nervously smoke in the corner, in light of mr. booth.
19:03 mircea_popescu aha
19:03 mircea_popescu see, booth WAS a liberal. these dorks are conservative.
19:04 mircea_popescu there's no such thing as liberal narcissism.
19:04 * Framedragger goes to sleep his sweet unequal sleep hours.
19:04 shinohai Gavin voicing support for segwit in attempt to social engineer his way back into r/bitcoin favor: http://archive.is/8gAQw
19:04 mircea_popescu i thought the other one was the good one ?
19:04 asciilifeform waitasec i though he was ~author~ of the segfuckery
19:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, the old idiocies 'xt' and 'classic' were simply renamed
19:05 asciilifeform and re-faced
19:05 mircea_popescu no ?!
19:06 mircea_popescu this unexpected shocks me!
19:06 asciilifeform now called 'unlimited' and 'segwit', iirc
19:06 asciilifeform or i fuhget, i am not 'pro redditor', do not keep up.
19:07 asciilifeform 'choose,' said the chieftain, 'death, or bunga-bunga.' (tm) (r) (somewhere)
19:07 mircea_popescu anyway, re public fucking - it's good for the soul, what's to be "into". public fucking, public speaking, public dying, it's all human nature.
19:08 asciilifeform not everybody's a mig pilot.
19:08 * mircea_popescu grants
19:13 mircea_popescu but i will point out that i'm not into it per se ; i just don't happen to give a shit.
19:14 asciilifeform ~=
19:14 asciilifeform 'who said i'm into flying mig, i just dun give a shit how many G's, 1 or 12'
19:15 mircea_popescu lol.
19:15 mircea_popescu can't argue with that huh.
19:29 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygdv1aQnNRY << re mircea_popescu's army procedures times/checklists, lulzy american ad. rocket system runs on msdos+turbovision, who knew!
19:43 mircea_popescu aha!
19:51 shinohai Cultural sensitivity, coming soon to a city near you: https://archive.is/wmemN
19:55 mircea_popescu bloomington is a city now ?
19:55 mircea_popescu i thought it was just a campus.
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20:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571699 << and incidentally, this is also the deep font of all that love for "regulation". it's exactly what ballas correctly identifies as defense against change.
20:38 a111 Logged on 2016-11-20 23:54 Framedragger: "no possibility of transcend", so to speak, following protocol. (re. "can you pay me to do what i'm used to doing when i get paid")
20:39 mircea_popescu they wish not merely to be personally insured against the situation where the owner of capital forces them to subjectively change - they wish for this to not happen, anywhere, ever. because if it doesn't happen anywhere ever, it's not even that they're retards (literally, infantile minds trapped in adult bodies), but "just how things are". the normalisation of neoteny is the fundamental point of regulation.
20:40 mircea_popescu in which sense, of course they're at least scared of trump. and of course he's "the rapist". forcing change in the passive subject, irrespective of said subject's spinny ruminations - intolerabru!
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21:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In latest Xtend, last item
21:47 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i thought it was just a campus. << There are cities named bloomington in Illinois and Indiana, both bloomingtons have campuses. neither are anything special
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22:12 mircea_popescu myeah
22:12 mircea_popescu in other news i watched blackmirror.nosedive.
22:12 mircea_popescu not horribru, but it totally seems like they had a decent idea and then didn't really know what to do with it.
~ 32 minutes ~
22:44 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
22:44 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 728.64, vol: 5635.54797246 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 729.788, vol: 4874.26491 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 730.58, vol: 13933.39506101 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 742.821156, vol: 2067720.08120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 730.0, vol: 1294.1084504 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.663236155
22:45 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --curreny rmb
22:45 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
22:45 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
22:45 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 5126.17, vol: 2068515.11580000 | Volume-weighted last average: 5126.17
22:56 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5743
23:10 mircea_popescu mkay, so working class usians want the us to be more like argentina, ie, poor and stupid but monolithic in the poverty of stupidity. "they'll be happier".
23:19 BingoBoingo Well, what else? Equalitit et al.
23:21 mircea_popescu heh.
23:22 mircea_popescu which is how the whole "jews invented sluttery so hardworking redditards don't ~get~ a^H THEIR woman!"
23:22 mircea_popescu became a thing.
23:28 BingoBoingo Best tit is inequalitit
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23:48 mircea_popescu phf http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161120/#285 << missing from yours ?
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23:48 scriba Logged on 2016-11-20: [19:36:42] <mircea_popescu> ACTION tries to read bartle because people keep insisting. aside from his tiresome cabotinism (really bitch, mud1 is a major point of reference, because why, you never heard of rogue/nethack or what) he's about as sighted as a snail. 'cyberpunk teaches designers a number of valuable lessons about the sociology and psychology of players and the
23:48 scriba responsibilities of developers. virtual worlds are not insulated from the real world
23:58 mircea_popescu in other lulz : total student debt in the us is 1.25 trn. ie - more than bannon's trillion.
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