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00:03 mod6 oh ben_vulpes, just noticed something.
00:04 mod6 seems that wotpaste stripped out my "<STDIN>" statements.
00:04 mircea_popescu o.O
00:05 mod6 here it is in dpaste: http://dpaste.com/2VFJPX8.txt
00:06 mod6 maybe it thought it was an HTML thing
00:09 ben_vulpes waaat
00:11 ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c704e406-8cfe-461a-ac89-4e66e8328d98/?raw=true
00:11 ben_vulpes thanks mod6 i'll get on that
00:17 mod6 ahh, ok np.
00:18 mod6 i see now, it's in the raw paste, just not the non-raw.
00:18 mod6 fwiw, i really like wotpaste tho. works great
~ 7 hours 44 minutes ~
08:03 jurov mircea_popescu: mpex accepts orders but won't execute them. some are waiting over 12 hours
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08:25 asciilifeform $s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F
08:25 deedbot $s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F is not a command.
08:25 asciilifeform hm
08:31 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F466A8D55F9E9363CFC075135A048764B50CA0BAC297EC65670DEE47F06F9752 << nein nein nein nein nein!!111111
08:33 shinohai LOL Hitler
08:36 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5FD767024E90A94CC8B8FAAF203A5EB0F708D9E00CAA9147799D5E7E6F616D91 << werner koch's co
08:45 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C1C88CD7B5BC8A2338AA2D75C851D5D66E55F225D5C154B651D0861588577DA1 << lol srsly?
~ 19 minutes ~
09:05 punkman http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5FD767024E90A94CC8B8FAAF203A5EB0F708D9E00CAA9147799D5E7E6F616D91 << werner koch's co << lol nice
~ 1 hours 52 minutes ~
10:58 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A7D4E511788FA842D463707FA71E2F4AFF924E31A2D2FD84EB7158CD793BFBE7 << moar lulz
10:59 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EA5B03B4FD8AC88BD9D59C9389EA8E678620391CC5366E3D99417383F77609D http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2FF671C530DFA823E42782B1C8AF9874CF263653B3517DC3EB4FD602DABBF64 http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CA14A17798D7F706E0BD77572FA640F291B511A0ADD2D420B6C1B09D31B31BE http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F9E5715A35D36CFAD74E5D259A294DFEF977991D0BEA58C729179642DD9
10:59 asciilifeform C308E http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6F4A716C4514B5E99F16717207BB9FA823A385CEBBAD4D00D242D9C566D522 << '1 is not prime !'
10:59 asciilifeform oh ffs
11:00 * asciilifeform needs new irctron
11:01 asciilifeform i want to know, in what sewer was born the rat who thought it was acceptable to break lines on nonwhitespace characters.
~ 42 minutes ~
11:43 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 nice work
11:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform irc message has fixed max length
11:43 mircea_popescu due to... your beloved fucking packet size.
11:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: everyone knows this.
11:44 asciilifeform CLIENT however does not HAVE to be retarded.
11:44 mircea_popescu that's why your thing got cut
11:44 asciilifeform can split on whitechar.
11:44 asciilifeform COULD.
11:44 mircea_popescu oh oh.
11:44 asciilifeform aha.
11:44 mircea_popescu hehehehe. i didn't see that one coming.
11:46 asciilifeform and incidentally what's packet size to do with irc, it runs on tcp.
11:47 mircea_popescu i dun recall teh specifix.
11:58 mircea_popescu jurov sorry bout that.
12:10 jurov well..recently even eulora server works better than mpex
12:12 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0MW0BQJ.txt
12:13 mircea_popescu wait, eulora is some sort of low mark of server working or something ?
12:13 mircea_popescu $up deedbot-
12:13 deedbot deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
12:14 phf ah the crafty double dis
12:15 mircea_popescu someone came from his long weekend all irritated.
12:18 mircea_popescu and in other "let's see who we can piss off today" news, http://trilema.com/2014/the-sex-lives-of-other-people/#comment-117117
12:20 mircea_popescu incidentally, i think i'm coming to an actually correct definition of trolling. trolling is the act of providing needed context separated from the message, in a place where the naive reader (who most needs it) is least likely to find or recognize it.
12:20 mircea_popescu it's a deliberately anti-educational stance.
12:20 mircea_popescu education being obviously the exact opposite of trolling.
12:28 jurov yes eulora server was kinda low mark. then it improved
12:31 mircea_popescu motherfucker
12:31 mircea_popescu so i'm, holding a one pound bag of raisins, "industria argentina" of course,
12:31 mircea_popescu when it decides to fucking split at the seam and now i have raisined kitchen floor ;/
12:31 mircea_popescu who the fuck saves on the fucking bags omfg.
12:32 mircea_popescu this country is too fucking cheap to exist, yet if you talk to the inhabitants you'd think they all hail from the fucking oceanside beaches of southern california.
12:33 asciilifeform betcha that bag was carefully calibrated to split.
12:33 asciilifeform over here in the land of mcphreeeedom we have plastic bagz where you put ONE potato and it sags through...
12:34 mircea_popescu like the soviet ones, what were they called
12:34 mircea_popescu the maybekushka
12:34 asciilifeform whatchatalking about, those didn't split
12:34 asciilifeform they were cloth
12:34 mircea_popescu you said sagged!
12:34 asciilifeform авоська
12:34 mircea_popescu avosjka aha
12:35 phf i cary avoska to stores..
12:35 asciilifeform i had one in usa and until recently carried
12:35 mircea_popescu phf i have shopping slaves. SO THERE!
12:36 asciilifeform lel
12:36 phf make them cary avoskas to stores
12:36 mircea_popescu lolwhy.
12:36 phf чтоб жизнь мёдом не казалась
12:36 asciilifeform ^
12:37 mircea_popescu noa lasa.
12:38 mircea_popescu [transylvanian "noa lasa" is this universal thing, like forget about it. not exactly same meaning, but anyway.]
12:38 mircea_popescu diana_coman how do you say it in english ?
12:39 jurov never mind?
12:39 mircea_popescu mebbe. it's very metaphysically flat tho, like the world's all flat.
12:40 mircea_popescu all the english versions are much too spirited, drop it, leave it, straight whiskey to its very mellow cider quality.
12:41 mircea_popescu it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything.
12:42 mircea_popescu "i ain't buyin' it" i guess, here.
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13:13 trinque back in a moment with the case-sensitivity fix
13:14 trinque $gettrust aPoCalyptIC
13:14 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
13:14 trinque $rated BEN_vulPES
13:14 mircea_popescu a cool.
13:14 deedbot trinque rated BEN_vulPES 3 at 3623669040 << friend, gentleman, warrior
13:16 mircea_popescu $gettrust ben-vulpes
13:16 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
13:16 mircea_popescu scam
13:17 trinque lol, it apparently doesn't do capital underscore!
13:18 mircea_popescu :D
13:18 mircea_popescu juuuus messin witcha.
13:30 diana_coman mircea_popescu> it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything. <- not as directly, no. Possibly something like "it might work," lol
13:32 diana_coman otherwise maybe "let it be" but it's still stronger
13:33 mircea_popescu things the us lacks to survive the coming collapse : item #7, a workable language.
~ 1 hours 21 minutes ~
14:54 deedbot [Trilema] 91.200.12.73 - An ode to a tireless bot. - http://trilema.com/2016/912001273-an-ode-to-a-tireless-bot/
15:01 * asciilifeform thought about wot-signed-only as a spam pill
15:07 ben_vulpes p. much the only sane design
15:17 ben_vulpes http://abovethecrowd.com/2016/04/21/on-the-road-to-recap/ << don't call it a pooooonziiiiiiiii
15:17 ben_vulpes "this generation’s transformational companies (AirBNB, Slack, Snapchat, Uber, etc)" << muahaha
15:18 ben_vulpes > slack
15:18 ben_vulpes > slack
15:18 ben_vulpes > slack
15:18 ben_vulpes > Unicorn basket
15:18 ben_vulpes oh god the lulz don't stop
15:19 trinque WHY THE UNICORN FINANCING MARKET JUST BECAME DANGEROUS…FOR ALL INVOLVED << sorry, cannot go on
15:19 trinque lol
15:19 trinque http://pbfcomics.com/103/
15:20 pete_dushenski greetings and salutions!
15:20 trinque good afternoon
15:20 ben_vulpes ey
15:21 ben_vulpes "people began to imagine a world where...profits could come back in vogue"
15:21 ben_vulpes omfg lolztrove
15:21 shinohai o/ pete_dushenski
15:22 pete_dushenski sorry to be away so much of late, been swamped this spring. not that i mind, just not as much forum time atm.
15:24 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456937 << i would've done ~something~ that's for damn sure
15:24 a111 Logged on 2016-04-24 22:14 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Pete prolly would have archived the old bets by nao.
15:24 pete_dushenski strangest thing, znort's follow-through
15:25 pete_dushenski phf: loving the new search. think you could add a button or link back to the logs so i don't have to diddle the url every time ?
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15:25 ben_vulpes perhaps he purchased it as a curio
15:26 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453907 << was this a new feature being tested for 99994k ? would like to know more
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15:26 a111 Logged on 2016-04-19 22:10 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 both import and dumpprivkey work \o/
15:27 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: i don't think anyone's using kelvin versioning on trb
15:27 ben_vulpes that's mod6's v, iirc
15:29 pete_dushenski the k is the build script
15:30 ben_vulpes mhm
15:31 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: just for you http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/news/a28953/toyota-land-cruiser-6x6/
15:32 ben_vulpes hah that's a silly twuk
15:32 pete_dushenski for a silly boy
15:34 mircea_popescu o look, a pete. how's canada!
15:34 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes notice that the "whatsap" bullshit that laundered 2bn of facebook's "money" is not on the list. somehow.
15:34 mircea_popescu apparently they're only transformational before someone buys them./
15:35 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: in my little refuge within a bubble within a refuge, we're just booming despite the oil glut
15:36 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you know the names carry the link.
15:36 pete_dushenski totally
15:37 pete_dushenski but to go back to the most recent logs, there's no direct link at the top of the page
15:37 pete_dushenski it's not the end of the world either way
15:37 mircea_popescu oh
15:38 pete_dushenski sort of like how kako had permalinks at the top to wiki, stats, logs, search, etc.
15:39 mircea_popescu ftr asciilifeform my current antispam arrangements work splendidly. i get maybe 2-3 items a day i have to look at, which is a-ok. 99.97% ish i never see.
15:39 mircea_popescu it still loads the server, but w/e.
15:39 pete_dushenski https://t.co/REyYaQFpVG << sort of how i imagine stan would react if fired without sufficient cause. except with crays or whatever he twerks on.
15:40 pete_dushenski ^n.b. twitter link
15:41 asciilifeform lelzy
15:41 pete_dushenski thought you'd enjoy that
15:41 asciilifeform he oughta have done the tail, not the head
15:41 asciilifeform head - can be repaired.
15:42 pete_dushenski o ?
15:43 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457241 << just like in ghana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa-_Smpqfuw
15:43 a111 Logged on 2016-04-25 03:22 ben_vulpes: bamboocycleta!
15:48 pete_dushenski https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71nKwu2REIL._SX522_.jpg << anyone remember these as a kid ? hilariously entertaining rube goldberg-style marble toy
15:48 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i saw this
15:48 asciilifeform but not as kid, but some time recently in a shop window somewhere.
15:49 pete_dushenski it had no circuits to fiddle with, maybe parents didn't think you'd bite
15:49 asciilifeform as a kid i just had a big bottle of ball bearings
15:49 asciilifeform from phactory
15:49 asciilifeform it was glorious
15:50 mircea_popescu how many did oyu eat ?
15:50 asciilifeform 0 afaik
15:50 asciilifeform they were a big large
15:50 mircea_popescu a
15:50 asciilifeform 2cm across or so.
15:50 asciilifeform stainless.
15:50 pete_dushenski like chinese hand exercise balls
15:50 mircea_popescu o that's pretty good. how many skulls did you crush with your gas-mask based slingshot ?
15:50 pete_dushenski minus the chimes
15:51 mircea_popescu and pete_dushenski has a point : how many girlies did you stuff with pairs of 'em and then made do squats ?
15:51 * pete_dushenski just bought first pair of chinaballs. still getting used to jingles
15:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the first time i saw the chinese ballz, i thought that this is what they were sold for !
15:52 mircea_popescu it is.
15:52 * pete_dushenski doesn't understand how anything can be shipped from china for $2.22 ~all-in~
15:52 mircea_popescu ;;ud ben wa balls
15:52 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ben+Wa+Balls | Shiny cold balls put in your Va jay jay to tighten pussy muscles so you can squeeze ... Excuse me ma'am, I think those are your Ben Wa Balls rolling towards the ...
15:52 pete_dushenski ha!
15:52 pete_dushenski ben wa's parents must be mega-proud
15:53 pete_dushenski mr. wa's tombstone had better include "va jay jay"
15:53 deedbot [Trilema] Today on Trilema : A history of the Polar Crabs ; A Discussion of Very Deep Globules ; A General Theory of the Corn Cobb as well as an Autobiography of Herzog Balthasar Hedgehog by Mr. Burt Mugg. - http://trilema.com/2016/today-on-trilema-a-history-of-the-polar-crabs-a-discussion-of-very-deep-globules-a-general-theory-of-the-corn-cobb-as-well-as-an-autobiography-of-herzog-balthasar-hedgehog-by-mr-burt-mugg/
15:54 pete_dushenski actually, come to think of it, i think girl had these ballz, or similar, during pregnancy. big fan.
15:55 mircea_popescu yep, great for wiminz.
15:55 mircea_popescu girls that don't play with the balls when young piss their pants when old.
15:55 pete_dushenski she can probably attribute much of this training to no-tear v-pipe birth
15:56 mircea_popescu tears aren't THAT common. especially in girls that actually look like you'd want to fuck 'em.
15:56 mircea_popescu as opposed to whatever boyish bs they put on ftv these days.
15:57 mircea_popescu speaking of which, i should prolly write up birth. anyone seen it ?
15:57 pete_dushenski mya well those pencilish ones have kidz too afaik. if not by me.
15:57 mircea_popescu older nicole kidman
15:57 pete_dushenski haven't seen it, no
15:59 pete_dushenski http://priceonomics.com/why-thieves-steal-soap/ << because americans are soooo poor they can barely afford rain buckets to bathe in.
16:00 asciilifeform the tide thing aha
16:00 pete_dushenski how do stores like walgreens combat this ? by LOCKING DOWN SOAP like you would cigarettes or razor blades, apparently.
16:00 asciilifeform has ~nothing to do with soap being dear.
16:01 asciilifeform 'trading sardine'.
16:01 pete_dushenski 'As a Walgreens cashier explains, “It’s easy to sell on the street. Everyone uses soap.”'
16:05 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457430 <<< dunno pete_dushenski, I was just using funkenstein's patch
16:05 a111 Logged on 2016-04-25 19:26 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453907 << was this a new feature being tested for 99994k ? would like to know more
16:06 shinohai Works swell tho
16:06 pete_dushenski aha. that. ya, i've been meaning to try it.
16:06 pete_dushenski anyone here have experience physical rolling dice a lot ? wondering how many times you rolled a set of 5 before you have sufficient confidence in their fairness. obviously, there's no absolute answer to this inquest, just curious if anyone has bothered or if 'casino dice' are considered sufficient precaution.
16:08 asciilifeform i admit that i'm a little curious re the widespread interest in dice
16:08 asciilifeform i can see generating, e.g., bitcoin private key (though do you have the stomach for the debiasing? what if you need 1,000 rolls?)
16:08 asciilifeform but how about the k-value in sigs ?
16:08 asciilifeform will also roll dice for that ?
16:10 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: for the truly daft, what do you mean by 'debiasing' ?
16:10 * jurov is curious, too
16:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=debias
16:11 danielpbarron three dice rolls of any biased dice == 1 provably unbiased roll
16:11 danielpbarron not really three though, and it could be infinity
16:11 asciilifeform ^
16:12 asciilifeform there is NOT a bound.
16:12 danielpbarron if you roll doubles you have to roll again
16:13 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski look into l'hospital
16:13 danielpbarron and you probably have to roll the same die 3 times as opposed to rolling 3 dice once, unless there's something i'm missing in all this
16:13 mircea_popescu there's a mathematical solution to "what is the probability of x specific configuration come out of y random process of given probabilities"
16:13 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: will do.
16:14 asciilifeform the boojum is that no mathematical process can create 'additional' entropy.
16:14 mircea_popescu of course not.
16:14 jurov is it even physically possible to make biased dice with, 50% less entropy output?
16:15 jurov (that can't be detected by cursory inspection)
16:15 asciilifeform jurov: ask the opposite question.
16:15 asciilifeform (how much entropy is there actually in a dice throw.)
16:16 mircea_popescu coupla bits ?
16:16 asciilifeform that's the notion
16:16 asciilifeform but do we know ?
16:17 mircea_popescu well yes.
16:17 asciilifeform the other thing is, i have found that dice appeal to folks because 'not electronic', but these same people then go and generate, e.g., the key, with a computer...
16:17 jurov ideally its log2(6) = 2.58 bits
16:17 asciilifeform it would be quite another thing if they used a pencil, but no.
16:17 mircea_popescu it's unclear to me exactly how not electronic they are.
16:17 mircea_popescu dice roll off a table, that's electrons at work.
16:17 jurov say you fudge the throws badly and in the end get only 2 bits per throw
16:17 * asciilifeform boots up bricklispmachine and hands to mircea_popescu
16:18 jurov that's still pretty strong key after 100 throws
16:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quest for "not electronic" interaction is a little lulzy to me thatsall
16:18 asciilifeform jurov: try to understand what i meant
16:18 jurov i just explained how i understood it?
16:18 asciilifeform jurov: we do not know much much information re future throws is actually, in fact, present in a dice outcome.
16:18 asciilifeform it could easily be >0.
16:19 mircea_popescu if the dice is biased.
16:19 asciilifeform the 'it has n bits' ~presupposes~ the conclusion.
16:19 asciilifeform all physical dice are biased.
16:19 mircea_popescu maybe.
16:20 jurov and i am asking you how much bias do you usually estimate and why?
16:20 jurov by what physical process?
16:20 jurov if it's like 20% as i wrote above, then it's still fine, no?
16:20 asciilifeform by throwing, clearly
16:20 asciilifeform dice also, incidentally, wear.
16:21 mircea_popescu but they do not wear in a predictible fashion
16:21 mircea_popescu which is why i said maybe.
16:21 mircea_popescu still, one really dedicated could create glass dice and sharpen the edge by the same process used to make the few-hundre-atom thick blades they use to cut microscope samples with
16:21 mircea_popescu and then throw it on a magnetic field
16:22 jurov you're welcome to make a specifically worn dice that produces only ~2 bits of entropy. i suspect that would be very hard.
16:22 mircea_popescu jurov i'll make it with 4 faces.
16:22 mircea_popescu "worn"
16:22 asciilifeform actually it would be interesting to conduct 'accelerated aging' experiment on dice.
16:22 jurov oh i forgot to specify "it should be non-obvious"
16:22 mircea_popescu jurov "dwim" ?
16:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is not entirely a virgin field. there is even a special tumbler for this process.
16:23 phf it came up in the logs before
16:23 asciilifeform i'd be quite surprised if it were virgin
16:23 asciilifeform phf: link?
16:24 phf actually, i'm misremembering. it's someone built a tumbler to test dice bias, your conclusion was that he's testing errors in his OCR
16:24 asciilifeform ah i recall.
16:25 jurov well, if someone generates their keys with pre-worn dice and tumbler supplied by enemy and strictly following instructions on the tumbler...
16:25 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-01#1334775
16:25 a111 Logged on 2015-12-01 19:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.markfickett.com/stuff/artPage.php?id=389 << Six sides good, more sides bad
16:26 asciilifeform other interesting question, imho, re any rng, is - how much does enemy learn if he captures it
16:27 asciilifeform is it safe to discard a set of dice ?
16:27 asciilifeform can dr evil pick it up and learn a few bits of yer key
16:28 asciilifeform and i suppose everyone recalls the roulette laser.
16:28 asciilifeform (and the entirely independent laserless cheat machine that used pure stats, in a shoe)
16:31 mircea_popescu the problem of discards is not well solved to date.
16:32 mircea_popescu which is why people jsut tend to burn everything.
16:32 asciilifeform it is only a problem in ridiculously narrow trickle sort of rng.
16:33 asciilifeform like dice, coin, roulette.
16:35 asciilifeform reason being that these cannot be health-tested with any regularity.
16:35 asciilifeform enemy can only learn something from a worn rng if the owner himself had no way to meaningfully measure wear.
16:36 phf strategic superiority through judicial application of wood chipper
16:38 asciilifeform phf always carries his wood chipper ?
16:40 asciilifeform anyway imho any rng which has measurable wear during normal operating life, is defective design.
16:41 mircea_popescu phf judicious.
16:41 phf that's second time
16:42 mircea_popescu lol
16:45 phf a dice rng is "defective design". it's all over the place, low tech solution right in the middle of high tech stack. can't make one at home, since bias. wouldn't really make key by hand either. any optimizations turn to logical "why not flip electrons instead". i've noticed the tendency though, friend told me that he's generating work passwords with dicewear
16:45 phf i think it's collective unconsciousness response to ongoing diddled hardware revelations
16:45 mircea_popescu i do not agree with this theory.
16:46 mircea_popescu rolling dice is a better source for "please enter your password" than... what, dreaming one up ?
16:46 mircea_popescu people suck at headrng
16:47 phf dd if=/dev/random|LANG=C tr -dc '_A-Z-a-z-0-9'|fold -w10|head -n5
16:47 asciilifeform Apr 25 16:45:47 <phf>i think it's collective unconsciousness response to ongoing diddled hardware revelations << exactly that.
16:50 jurov phf are you 100% sure you did it right?
16:54 mircea_popescu it... doesn't work.
16:54 mircea_popescu 0+7 records in 0+0 records out 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 13.2392 s, 0.0 kB/s
16:58 phf perhaps reading from /dev/urandom will fix it on linux
16:59 mircea_popescu but you see his point.
16:59 phf i do, but he doesn't see mine
16:59 mircea_popescu well that's his problem.
17:02 phf i make my tools myself, so script above works on my system, i have sufficient idea of its operation to put it to live munition test.
17:04 phf but if the question is about other people, then there's a trust slice that is manifest on the system. the kind of person who trusts his os x, should also trust the password generator on it. kind of person who downloads random online apps by some criteria, would be able to apply same criteria to selecting a password generator/manager
17:04 asciilifeform it is not that i wish to discourage folks from throwing dice, or dartboard, etc. but that they ought to be aware of the limitations.
17:05 asciilifeform (one of which, that has not so far been stated here, is that anyone with optical view of the room has your bits.)
17:05 asciilifeform and - quite possibly - anyone with an audio track of the room has also some.
17:07 mircea_popescu phf fancy that - they also make their tools themselves.
17:09 mircea_popescu moreover, i'd say 99% of the people making passwords by throwing dice don't have dd or | on the system, because they're stuck on winblowz.
17:10 deedbot [Trilema] Birth - http://trilema.com/2016/birth/
17:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sorta what i was reacting against - the view that dice solve an otherwise rotten environ
17:12 phf ^
17:12 mircea_popescu there is nothing wrong with man carrying his water skin in plagued venice. "but where does the water in it come from"
17:12 mircea_popescu let him be.
17:12 phf right, we're just approaching this from different direction
17:13 mircea_popescu hey, at least they got 2fa.
17:13 mircea_popescu 2fa, loofah & woofer.
17:14 phf from perspective of general education, it's better hygiene where there wasn't any before. i'm more questioning people who use diceware because they don't trust own /dev/random
17:14 mircea_popescu well, own /dev/random si blocking, as you can see
17:14 mircea_popescu and i can't blame the man who doesn't trust /urandom
17:14 mircea_popescu iirc that was in the logs.
17:16 mircea_popescu sure, an argument could be brought that "hey, even blocking /random is faster than dice". maybe. then consider machines that do not have a rng at all, such as pogo. maybe they want pws too. etc.
17:17 mircea_popescu discussion rapidly becomes a "why would i own a sliderule, i have my computor". well, some people own a slide rule.
17:18 asciilifeform i see dice as a sort of bayonet
17:18 asciilifeform a last resort.
17:18 mircea_popescu recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour.
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17:18 asciilifeform aha.
17:19 phf mircea_popescu: i don't have issue with people using slide rule. i'm reacting to people who are buying slide rules on ebay, because it's the cool retro computational device
17:19 mircea_popescu hey, you buy sluts in e-bar because they're the juicy, pendulous titted fucktoys.
17:19 mircea_popescu aesthetics is permitted, even in geekdom.
17:20 phf hah, well, i'm saying diceware is ~soo~ last year
17:21 mircea_popescu o ? i'm slow, what's in ?
17:21 asciilifeform pissin on a set of electrical contacts!
17:21 asciilifeform is in
17:21 asciilifeform i hear itsthel4t3st
17:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, for the male slave boi this is actually true ?
17:22 asciilifeform waiwut
17:22 mircea_popescu once mistress gets tired of taking off the chastity device now and again, there's this special electrified insert, stimulates teh prostate, instaorgasm and move on.
17:23 asciilifeform ah like for bulls.
17:23 mircea_popescu originally aha.
17:23 asciilifeform i also recall this was used on corpses
17:23 asciilifeform (fresh ones)
17:23 shinohai Get cucked by a product originally designed for bulls. Neato.
17:23 mircea_popescu smaller, obviously, and for that matter can be designed for urethral insertion.
17:23 asciilifeform shinohai: get cucked by a dead bloke!
17:23 shinohai >.<
17:24 mircea_popescu hey, film i just reviewed is exactly that!
17:25 asciilifeform iirc you need an anal cathode tho.
17:26 asciilifeform (think, where is prostate)
17:26 mircea_popescu works as a single spire. prolly closes with itself.
17:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how the hell do you get current through prostate that way
17:27 mircea_popescu i never looked into the matter that deeply!
17:27 asciilifeform link to item ?
17:28 mircea_popescu uh not everything's on the internets
17:28 asciilifeform custom, i take it
17:28 asciilifeform i had similar for gurlz
17:29 mircea_popescu ahahaha nm
17:29 mircea_popescu http://www.amazon.com/Electrical-Urethral-Prostate-Masturbation-Toys185mm/dp/B019DLV1K4
17:29 mircea_popescu it self-closes, obviously.
17:30 mircea_popescu 40 bux.
17:30 asciilifeform the downer re electrical toys is nearly always contact burn
17:30 asciilifeform (if there is ~any~ dc component, you also get, electrolytically, hcl at the interface, nasty)
17:31 * asciilifeform speaks from experience
17:32 mircea_popescu i don't think tissue damage is a drawback for the practitioners.
17:33 mircea_popescu on the contrary, would prolly be a selling point. "100 orgasms, then your genitals fall off"
17:33 asciilifeform l0l!
17:33 asciilifeform also iirc the sensation is distinctly unorgasmic, yer balls just empty & thatsit
17:34 mircea_popescu this WAS the whole point.
17:35 asciilifeform a more interesting imho variant of this experiment is to have the device ~block~ the signal to balls, during normal fucktion
17:35 asciilifeform (waveform left as exercise for the reader)
17:35 mircea_popescu cheaper for her to get a dildo than to turn you into one.
17:40 mircea_popescu and in similar news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/eb0f7d6d82b1dfde430f1ecb5529297a/tumblr_o1kyajm8OC1s5zureo2_400.gif
~ 29 minutes ~
18:09 deedbot [Qntra] US Appeals Court Takes Time To Rule On Sportsball Case - http://qntra.net/2016/04/us-appeals-court-takes-time-to-rule-on-sportsball-case/
18:22 shinohai asciilifeform: I can sub,it public key to phuctor or is down?
18:22 shinohai *submit
18:23 pete_dushenski fueled by that killer dice debate, i'm off to the races gents. bon soir a tous!
~ 16 minutes ~
18:40 asciilifeform shinohai: not only up but as far as i can tell, up without any interruptions
18:48 shinohai Just for shits-n-giggles I tried submitting this key but tells me is not valid: http://dpaste.com/3CCR99V.txt
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19:25 BingoBoingo ;;ud spiff
19:25 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spiff | Proper Noun: Part of the name of Spaceman Spiff one of the many alter-egos of ... -Spiff-tastic (Adjective and interjection, combination of words spiff and fantastic
19:25 BingoBoingo wtf
19:25 BingoBoingo not even wrong
~ 1 hours 9 minutes ~
20:35 * shinohai forgot to wish BingoBoingo a happy Confederate Memorial Day.
20:35 BingoBoingo ty for remembering shinohai
20:37 shinohai Almost made a Qntra anecdote of it.
20:52 BingoBoingo lol, not quite news
20:53 shinohai I thought it was hilarious that half of Alabama's infrastructure was shut down today. State holiday, who knew.
20:54 BingoBoingo Yeah
20:57 BingoBoingo http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/04/15/the-boy-scouts-of-america-then-and-now-a-comparison-of-the-1911-and-modern-handbooks-and-merit-badges/
~ 1 hours 24 minutes ~
22:22 mircea_popescu hey, at least the girl scouts get oral sex badges. progrss!
22:25 mircea_popescu Known Moduli: 1207470 <<< soooo is it done loading 'em asciilifeform ?
22:25 BingoBoingo $b 3
22:25 deedbot $b 3 is not a command.
22:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~500k moar to go.
22:34 asciilifeform as of now.
22:34 asciilifeform keys, that is
22:37 asciilifeform shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457681 << it's got a uniturd in it.
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22:37 a111 Logged on 2016-04-25 22:48 shinohai: Just for shits-n-giggles I tried submitting this key but tells me is not valid: http://dpaste.com/3CCR99V.txt
22:38 asciilifeform i've been actually piling these up in a special archive for when i have new parser.
22:38 asciilifeform it is <1% of moduli thus far
22:39 asciilifeform ''ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0160' in position 7: ordinal not in range(128)'
22:44 asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/qnb.zip << lulzy, supposedly quatar national bank
22:44 asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/25/breaking_qatar_bank_hack << see also.
22:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra ?
22:46 mircea_popescu oh so more like 1.7mn ?
22:46 mircea_popescu nb.
22:48 mircea_popescu definitely qntra.
22:50 asciilifeform 'Public Exponent 44942328371557897693232629769725618340449424473557664318357520289433168951375240783177119330601884005280028469967848339414697442203604155623211857659868531094441973356216371319075554900311523529863270738021251442209537670585615720368478277635206809290837627671146574559986811484619929076208839082406056034307 is NOT PRIME !' << i'd like to pin down JUST ONE of these schmucks and connect him to the mains & find out what
22:50 asciilifeform he used for a pgptron
22:50 mircea_popescu for srs.
22:50 mircea_popescu this must be some sort of an overflow.
22:50 asciilifeform THAT SPECIFIC exponent recurs
22:51 asciilifeform see for yerself
22:51 mircea_popescu not necessarily impossible.
22:51 asciilifeform 4 of'em at least.
22:51 mircea_popescu maybe it's you know, a chunk of code.
22:51 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
22:52 asciilifeform 0x4000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003.
22:52 asciilifeform btw.
22:52 mircea_popescu o is it ?
22:52 mircea_popescu hm.
22:52 asciilifeform aha.
22:53 asciilifeform i've thought about only displaying hex.
22:53 mircea_popescu wtf, accidental bignum ?
22:53 asciilifeform motherfuckin' decimal's worthless
22:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ideally, offer it as a site option.
22:53 mircea_popescu an on/off switch like tvtropes has would be SPIFFY.
22:53 asciilifeform i try to keep thingz simple. but yeah, after i'm satisfied that the rest works
22:54 asciilifeform and scales to moar keyz
22:54 mircea_popescu yeah. no rush whatever.
22:54 asciilifeform (somebody - mircea_popescu ? - suggested dumping ssh in there etc)
22:54 mircea_popescu aye
22:55 asciilifeform $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime"
22:55 deedbot $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime" is not a command.
22:55 asciilifeform 5
22:55 asciilifeform fershame.
22:56 asciilifeform 5!
22:58 asciilifeform wouldntcha like to know what ~they~ used.
22:59 asciilifeform i sure would.
22:59 asciilifeform curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 0 is not prime"
22:59 asciilifeform 0
22:59 asciilifeform ^ one can dreeeeeeeem
23:00 mircea_popescu 0 actuallyt crashes and burns tho ; 1 just carries on meaninglessly.
23:01 asciilifeform tru
23:03 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/e5082be5748a489f937740fd128869a5/tumblr_o5yv1hAO3b1tcc457o6_400.gif
23:03 asciilifeform wat is happening in there
23:03 mircea_popescu or perhaps more on point, http://45.media.tumblr.com/eb38a45e9b3568094df66c8c1de4a130/tumblr_o5yv1hAO3b1tcc457o7_500.gif
23:06 asciilifeform ah it's one of those.
23:06 asciilifeform what's it called
~ 21 minutes ~
23:28 mircea_popescu it's called a sissy!
23:28 mircea_popescu and in vaguely related news, https://www.primalhardwere.com/category/ovipositors
23:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is glorious
23:30 asciilifeform howdyafindit
23:31 mircea_popescu was on teh wishlist.
23:31 asciilifeform gonna buy?
23:31 mircea_popescu apparently, the eggs can very well be sorbet.
23:32 mircea_popescu possibru.
23:32 asciilifeform neato
23:44 deedbot [Qntra] Massive Qatar National Bank Leak Circulating - http://qntra.net/2016/04/massive-qatar-national-bank-leak-circulating/
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