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00:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00051143 = 16.826 BTC [-] {2}
00:08 ben_vulpes http://contributor-covenant.org/ << dig the colors
00:08 assbot Contributor Covenant: A Code of Conduct for Open Source Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBbfrc )
00:09 punkman "We are committed to making participation in this project a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of level of experience, gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, or nationality."
00:09 punkman meh
00:11 punkman "This code of conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community."
00:12 kakobrekla speaking of con(f)s, at the 'Finance Magnates London Summit 2015' there was a single talk canceled due to 'unforeseen circumstances'; RECODING FINANCE – BLOCKCHAIN with Peter Randal, CEO of SETL
00:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5283 @ 0.00050798 = 2.6837 BTC [-]
00:22 punkman https://www.artsjournal.com/aestheticgrounds/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Lee-Jaehyo.jpg
00:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBcE1c )
00:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35350 @ 0.00050742 = 17.9373 BTC [-] {2}
00:24 ben_vulpes "we develop at the source code level"
00:24 ben_vulpes ahahueehhueahehea
00:24 ben_vulpes they announced their plans guise
00:24 ben_vulpes in longdong in july
00:24 ben_vulpes https://setl.io/
00:24 assbot SETL.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBcUNA )
00:25 ben_vulpes love love love the not taken together at all in a million years set of headshots and bios scrolling by at lightspeed
00:26 ben_vulpes oh god the rounded corners and brand endorsement segment
00:28 BingoBoingo !up asciilifeform
00:29 kakobrekla lmao ben_vulpes
00:29 kakobrekla i admit i havent bothered checking it myself.
00:31 ben_vulpes !s eject sjw
00:31 assbot 0 results for 'eject sjw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eject+sjw
00:31 ben_vulpes oh we haven't done this one yet?
00:31 ben_vulpes so let's start here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918
00:31 assbot Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtMogJ )
00:31 ben_vulpes (raymond again)
00:32 ben_vulpes which i found 2 degrees from http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/38746.html
00:32 assbot mjg59 | What is hacker culture? ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtMsNx )
00:33 ben_vulpes which linked https://medium.com/@coralineada/why-hackers-must-welcome-social-justice-advocates-1f8d7e216b00#.8rx7bzmnn and https://tim.dreamwidth.org/1986615.html
00:33 assbot Why Hackers Must Welcome Social Justice Advocates — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtMvZN )
00:33 assbot tim | The Christians and the Pagans: Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtMwg9 )
00:33 ben_vulpes "lived experience" not mattering a whit in contributions
00:33 ben_vulpes but hey reasons i love this place
00:34 ben_vulpes "no listen, we're super inclusive. get yourself a gpg key, get in the wot, read the logs, submit a patch, and we'll talk about it."
00:35 ben_vulpes that this is too much trouble for anyone but a vanishingly tiny fraction of people is totally lost on the outside world.
00:36 ben_vulpes another hilarious thing is that apparently that medium author doesn't know how to make a hyperlink
00:36 ben_vulpes oh wait is that technical elitism?
00:40 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Butt, butt... that medium page only uses 9 lines of something resembling html when you view source...
00:45 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1539
00:45 assbot Loper OS » Yes, you can still get these. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtNsB3 )
00:47 BingoBoingo Nice
00:47 punkman arew those the uv-erasable eproms?
00:47 asciilifeform aha
00:49 kakobrekla neat, last time i saw those was in 286 or so
00:52 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: note the giant blob of json in the middle
00:52 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Sure, but does it count in lynx?
00:53 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334432 << infamous sp4mz0rz, >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265428
00:53 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 04:34:00; punkman: "Blockchain, blockchain, blockchain! It’s not the bitcoin anymore, right? Right (probably.) Join me at Disrupt London where I’ll be talking to Steve Waterhouse of Pantera Capital, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum, and Austin Hill of BlockSteam. If anyone can make sense of the blockchain vs. bitcoin argument, it’s these guys."
00:53 assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 18:10:40; trinque: ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding.
00:53 ben_vulpes no no of course not
00:54 ben_vulpes but this is another undiscoverable entry in the great "mircea_popescu discovers how the kids are doing things today" saga
00:55 asciilifeform 'When people criticise meritocracy, they're not criticising the concept of treating contributions based on their merit. They're criticising the idea that humans are sufficiently self-aware that they will be able to identify and reject every subconscious prejudice that will affect their treatment of others. ' << why in satan's green earth am i reading this ??
00:58 ben_vulpes don't ruin the surprise, stan!
00:58 asciilifeform i'ma go a something-else-'in
01:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18899 @ 0.00051364 = 9.7073 BTC [+]
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01:09 ben_vulpes asciilifeform come back you didn't even get to "culturally diverse teams that work" http://merage.uci.edu/Resources/Documents/Culturally%20Diverse%20Teams%20that%20Work%20WEB.pdf
01:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtPSjh )
01:09 ben_vulpes it's a pdf
01:09 ben_vulpes you can't resist it
01:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00051217 = 11.4726 BTC [-] {2}
01:25 mircea_popescu !up bitcoin066
01:27 BingoBoingo ;;sleep
01:27 gribble Error: "sleep" is not a valid command.
01:28 mircea_popescu jesus fuck that esr page.
01:28 mircea_popescu 500kb of text, 12 mb of html/js
01:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the shit you read.
01:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19972 @ 0.00050393 = 10.0645 BTC [-]
01:39 ben_vulpes 12mb!?
01:40 ben_vulpes oh i've got more
01:40 ben_vulpes http://tim.dreamwidth.org/1729358.html
01:40 assbot tim | Emotional Labor Day (Part 2) ... ( http://bit.ly/1l4ir5M )
01:41 ben_vulpes "Many women are never raped, most women who are raped experience it only a handful of times, but in a sense it doesn't matter because the threats are constant, and women are trained to live in a state of hypervigilance of these threats"
01:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00050361 = 10.2736 BTC [-] {2}
01:53 adlai from a sufficiently detached cis-privileged cynicism, this reads as "the only thing you have to fear is fear itself"
02:02 adlai twas worth venturing thru the esr turd to emerge on the other side with "“Social Justice” has reached a sort of Poe’s Law singularity at which the behavior of trolls and true believers becomes indistinguishable even to each other"
02:05 ben_vulpes "when nothing more than a (privately administered) slap on the wrist was ever done to let everyone in the department know" << oh now they want public humiliation
02:07 mircea_popescu who has the authority to distribute "slaps on the wrist" again ?
02:07 mircea_popescu maybe i meet one of these schmucks some day.
02:08 ben_vulpes goes back to the moldbuggian "no authority *or* responsiblity in uni!" routine
02:08 mircea_popescu in all psychosis, the interesting parts are always "what the psychotic subject fails to notice"
02:08 mircea_popescu who exactly told random nobody that he's to be "slap wrists" ? "the beoble" ?
02:09 mircea_popescu "our critique of structurally established, historically stable hierarchies is to replace them with a half baked, ad hoc, buggy, half-reimplementation" "why ?" "because it's easier to write than to read."
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05:46 adlai shame, even coinbrlive is a victim of dns tardation
05:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23563 @ 0.0005128 = 12.0831 BTC [+] {2}
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06:15 punkman https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.arch.fpga/DDwLWc-hyyg
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06:15 assbot Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRliM8 )
06:16 punkman (1995)
06:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050769 = 4.1631 BTC [-]
06:33 shinohai ;;ticker --market-all
06:33 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
06:33 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
06:33 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 358.3, vol: 18948.64258114 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 355.3, vol: 15222.08396 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 357.26, vol: 47992.49139017 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 2.24926782 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 361.692267, vol: 90469.10830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 359.49, vol: 382.13486625 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 363.23088, vol: 119.18017024 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
06:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7245 @ 0.00050941 = 3.6907 BTC [+]
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09:21 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
09:21 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.25, Best ask: 361.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 361.26, 24 hour volume: 46993.1969887, 24 hour low: 353.1, 24 hour high: 380.49, 24 hour vwap: None
09:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.03131884 = 1.0648 BTC [-]
09:31 mircea_popescu and from the lulz dept, "Tome un blokium flex, pero se me corto de golpe el periodo, cosa no común, dado que nunca tube problemas cn mi periodo que me puede haber ocurrido??"
09:31 mircea_popescu i dunno baybee.... maybe the pill embarassed you!
09:38 mircea_popescu back in college, http://www.okwu.edu/blog/2015/11/this-is-not-a-day-care-its-a-university/
09:38 assbot This is Not a Day Care. It's a University! - Oklahoma Wesleyan University ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0Ifq1 )
09:41 mircea_popescu closing with
09:41 mircea_popescu "Oklahoma Wesleyan is not a “safe place”, but rather, a place to learn: to learn that life isn’t about you, but about others; that the bad feeling you have while listening to a sermon is called guilt; that the way to address it is to repent of everything that’s wrong with you rather than blame others for everything that’s wrong with them. This is a place where you will quickly learn that you need to grow up.
09:41 mircea_popescu This is not a day care. This is a university!"
09:41 mircea_popescu how old is this guy, 205 ?
09:50 deedbot- [Trilema] Good morning! - http://trilema.com/2015/good-morning/
10:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10105 @ 0.00050611 = 5.1142 BTC [+]
10:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31642 @ 0.00050104 = 15.8539 BTC [-] {2}
10:15 shinohai Good morning indeed.
10:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00050104 = 8.8183 BTC [-]
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10:23 adlai deedbot-: good morning
10:24 adlai "Bad URL or sunshine outage"
10:25 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334537 << famous among aficionados. 'neocad' actually reversed the time's xilinx fpga line. 'had to die.'
10:25 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 11:15:38; punkman: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.arch.fpga/DDwLWc-hyyg
10:25 asciilifeform (they had not yet, then, hit upon the strategy of simply moving things around on the die to make this kind of effort meaningless)
10:26 asciilifeform today reversing a xilinx chip is largely a waste of time, a good chunk of the functionality is in quite un-fpgaish special-purpose chunks which get reshuffled with each new model
10:30 adlai it's not a waste of time, it's a 'student project'
10:35 mircea_popescu in other lulz, qntra is got competrition! https://archive.is/iNmZ2
10:35 assbot [Hiring] Correspondent – native speaker – job @ CoinTelegraph.com Blockchain Media Outlet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDktDS )
10:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24260 @ 0.000514 = 12.4696 BTC [+] {2}
10:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5990 @ 0.00051532 = 3.0868 BTC [+]
10:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15468 @ 0.00051532 = 7.971 BTC [+]
10:52 shinohai "International team" lmao
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11:26 pete_dushenski www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/world/middleeast/predatory-islamic-state-wrings-money-from-those-it-rules.html << because only tewowists imposes taxes mkay !
11:27 pete_dushenski http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/world/middleeast/predatory-islamic-state-wrings-money-from-those-it-rules.html
11:27 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1lVyhzQ )
11:30 pete_dushenski http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf << and the latest psychology research confirms what we all knew : shannonisers more readily fool the less intelligent/more religious minds.
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11:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lVysv0 )
11:32 mircea_popescu hahah predatory right ? unlike what,... the us ?
11:32 mircea_popescu let me know when there's "those it rules" so desperate at the wringing of money they fly planes into isis irs headquarters
11:32 mircea_popescu actually... let me know when there is an isis irs.
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11:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00051532 = 5.7458 BTC [+]
11:59 pete_dushenski "“They fight in the morning and they tax in the afternoon,” said Louise Shelley, the director of the Terrorism, Transnational Crime and Corruption Center at George Mason University." << this is apparently incomprehensible to the american mind. "whaddya mean there's a time of day when they don't tax ?"
11:59 mircea_popescu check it out, usg has its own dedicated center.
12:00 pete_dushenski 'trans' centre : needs renaming for moar fairness, less cis privilege
12:01 pete_dushenski "In Raqqa, the Syrian city that is now the de facto capital of the Islamic State, a department called Diwan al-Khadamat, or the Office of Services, sends officials through the city markets to collect a cleaning tax — 2,500 to 5,000 Syrian pounds, or about $7 to $14, per month depending on the size of the shop. Residents go to collection points to pay their monthly electricity and water bills, 800 Syrian pounds
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12:01 pete_dushenski , or roughly $2.50 for electricity and 400 pounds, about $1.20, for water." << in which 'westerners' salivate over such meagre state imposition
12:02 mircea_popescu this pretense that say france is a country because holy usg says it's a country, while isis is not a country because louise shelley acts as if it weren't...
12:02 mircea_popescu da fuck has france got that isis doesn't.
12:02 mircea_popescu hey, check it out, isis charges about the same tax tmsr charges.
12:03 pete_dushenski terrorists are the future, i've been tellin ya
12:04 pete_dushenski "The Islamic State also demands a cut of the revenues earned by small businesses. “We either pay in olive oil or cash, it depends on the production,”" << altcoins accepted for taxes too !!!1
12:04 pete_dushenski i wish tmsr~ was that progressive...
12:04 pete_dushenski o hey can the tithe^3 be payed in eulora coppers ??
12:05 pete_dushenski lol payed !!
12:07 pete_dushenski "Officials of the so-called caliphate dislike the term “tax,” preferring the Islamic term “zakat,” which refers to the alms Muslims are required to pay." << eerie similarity, neh.
12:07 pete_dushenski lmao 'soi-dissant caliphate' but not 'soi-dissant nation of england' ?
12:10 pete_dushenski "But in the long run, according to American officials, the surest way to significantly restrict the group’s finances will be to retake territory it controls, something that has been painstakingly slow so far, despite thousands of airstrikes." << waitwut airstrikes are hugely ineffective ?
12:10 pete_dushenski obligatory : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-11-2015#1330014
12:10 assbot Logged on 22-11-2015 23:43:08; mircea_popescu: here's a primer on airstrike efficiency : the brits did 7 (SEVEN!) mid-air refuellings for one of their rustbuckets to manage to drop ONE bomb on the one runway in the faulklands, "disabling" it
12:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00051515 = 3.1682 BTC [-]
12:15 pete_dushenski http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/fashion/the-2016-pirelli-calendar-may-signal-a-cultural-shift.html << sadface.
12:15 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUy4FX )
12:16 pete_dushenski http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/1280x1920/o_r/pirelli-calendar-may-1986-vogue-22nov13-pirelli.jpg << 1986 edition of 'pirelli calendar'
12:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUyk7Z )
12:16 pete_dushenski http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/1280x1920/a_c/2012_COVER-NATASHA.jpg << 2012...
12:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUyrjE )
12:16 pete_dushenski ima bbl.
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12:55 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
13:07 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334599 << my (admittedly limited) understanding is that it runs on looted petro sold to turks, rather than taxes
13:07 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 17:01:57; pete_dushenski: "In Raqqa, the Syrian city that is now the de facto capital of the Islamic State, a department called Diwan al-Khadamat, or the Office of Services, sends officials through the city markets to collect a cleaning tax — 2,500 to 5,000 Syrian pounds, or about $7 to $14, per month depending on the size of the shop. Residents go to collection points to pay their monthly electricity and water bills, 800 S
13:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42857 @ 0.00051735 = 22.1721 BTC [+] {3}
13:09 ascii_field from the l0ltr0ns: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf >>>>> http://dpaste.com/02AW7SH.txt
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13:09 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1Y401 )
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13:10 ben_vulpes http://jihadology.net/2015/10/12/the-archivist-unseen-documents-from-the-islamic-states-diwan-al-rikaz/ << relevant
13:10 assbot The Archivist: Unseen Documents from the Islamic State’s Diwan al-Rikaz | JIHADOLOGY ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1YhQH )
13:11 ascii_field ^ were they signed with isis pgp key ?
13:11 * ben_vulpes rolls eyes
13:11 ascii_field the one they made 100 american prisoners write in own blood on camera ?
13:12 ascii_field or this has not yet happened.
13:12 * adlai saw a great gif today, |S|S becomes a dollar and back again
13:12 adlai in a loop
13:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12499 @ 0.00051772 = 6.471 BTC [+]
13:13 ascii_field 'All antiquities, moved statues and unprocessed gold bullions are to be confiscated in the event that they are being passed through the border areas towards Turkey. And the confiscated goods are to be referred to the Diwan al-Rikaz office in the wilaya.... In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful ... The bearer of this document is permitted to procure equipment to search for gold and register it in the Diwan
13:13 ascii_field al-Rikaz in Wilayat Halab.'
13:13 ben_vulpes lmk when his lizardness does anything like that
13:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00051258 = 16.2488 BTC [-]
13:16 shinohai !s http://www.coindesk.com/gaw-faces-ponzi-scheme-charges-from-sec/
13:16 assbot SEC Charges GAW Miners CEO Josh Garza with Securities Fraud - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/1NowcXv )
13:16 assbot 0 results for 'http://www.coindesk.com/gaw-faces-ponzi-scheme-charges-from-sec/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coindesk.com%2Fgaw-faces-ponzi-scheme-charges-from-sec%2F
13:17 ascii_field from earlier lol:
13:17 ascii_field 'Never during the cold war, nor in any of the subsequent US wars, did US companies have difficulty recruiting or retaining the hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers engaged in building weapons systems. Universities like my own were happy to add their support; the University of California would, for decades, run the USA's nuclear weapons design laboratories. In nearly 20 years advising
13:17 ascii_field students at my university, I have observed that a wish for right livelihood almost never figures into the employment decisions of undergraduate computer science students. And this isn't unique to computer scientists: of the five most highly ranked websites I found on a Google search of deciding among job offers, not one suggests considering the institutional goals of the employer or the social worth of what they
13:17 ascii_field do.'
13:21 ascii_field 'Of course it hasn't escaped the notice of intelligence agencies that the vast majority of the academic cryptographic community is unthreateningly engaged. In a declassified trip-report about Eurocrypt 1992, the NSA author opines, for example: 'There were no proposals of cryptosystems, no novel cryptanalysis of old designs, even very little on hardware design. I really don't see how things could have
13:21 ascii_field been better for our purposes.''
13:23 ascii_field 'The NSA's newsletter in which this report appears would never again mention that academic cryptographic community. Nor did any released Snowden-derived document discuss anything of our community. It's as though we progressed from a band of philosophers worth a few pages of snarky commentary to an assemblage too insignificant even for that.'
13:23 ascii_field awwwww poor buggers!!
13:23 ascii_field where were you imbeciles when we phuctored ?
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13:23 ascii_field oh that's right
13:24 ascii_field ...staring down own arseholes.
13:26 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:27 ascii_field moar golden turd nuggets:
13:27 ascii_field 'In a 2012 newsletter column, NSA's SIGINT Philosopher, Jacob Weber, tells us his vision. After failing an NSA lie-detector test, he says: 'I found myself wishing that my life would be constantly and completely monitored. It might seem odd that a self-professed libertarian would wish an Orwellian dystopia on himself, but here was my rationale: If people knew a few things about me, I might seem
13:27 ascii_field suspicious. But if people knew everything about me, they'd see they had nothing to fear. This is the attitude I have brought to SIGINT work since then.''
13:29 ascii_field lulzy and not entirely abysmal paper
13:29 ascii_field recommended.
13:36 ascii_field 'Dan Bernstein speaks of interesting crypto and boring crypto. Interesting crypto is crypto that supports plenty of academic papers. Boring crypto is crypto that simply works, solidly resists attacks, [and] never needs any upgrades." Dan asks, in his typically flippant way, 'What will happen if the crypto users convince some crypto researchers to actually create boring crypto? No more
13:36 ascii_field real-world attacks. No more emergency upgrades. Limited audience for any minor attack improvements and for replacement crypto. This is an existential threat against future crypto research.' If this is boring crypto, I think we should go make some.'
13:37 trinque this is a particularly lulzy american myth, that one only seeks power/control out of fear
13:39 ascii_field trinque: typical bureaucrat folk seek only the holy trinity of mortgage, 'health,' and 'dental.
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13:39 ascii_field '
13:39 ascii_field not really any different from, e.g., a bulldozerist
13:40 ascii_field who will just as readily move corpses as dirt, if paid
13:42 ascii_field '...there is now a mountain of work on secure-messaging, but it's unclear what most of it actually ~does.~'
13:43 deedbot- [Qntra] US Securities And Exchange Commission Indicts GAW Over Ponzi - http://qntra.net/2015/12/us-securities-and-exchange-commission-indicts-gaw-over-ponzi/
13:44 ascii_field very lulzy paper, poor academitard has half a brain, more than most of his colleagues certainly; understands that he and the rest are PAID TO SPAM - but doesn't see whatever could be the reason why his field is largely dross...
13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23357 @ 0.00051128 = 11.942 BTC [-] {4}
13:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00051554 = 9.4086 BTC [+] {3}
13:56 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:56 BingoBoingo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU7iDQPWwAEIQJI.jpg:large http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/group-resents-fat-people-shares-anti-gluttony-cards-article-1.2450325
13:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImJX8R )
13:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImK04l )
13:56 ascii_field meanwhile, far from the well-fed world of academitardia,
13:56 ascii_field https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144892124017990&w=2
13:56 assbot 'Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImK18m )
13:57 BingoBoingo <assbot> 'Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImK18m ) << I put in lawgs last night
13:57 assbot https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144892124017990&w=2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImK6sK )
13:57 ascii_field aha
13:57 ascii_field 'These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. It seems to keep shrinking, but I will try to keep doing it unless it nears zero; at which point the artwork will stop also.'
13:58 BingoBoingo !s ponerty
13:58 assbot 1 results for 'ponerty' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ponerty
13:59 ascii_field evidently the set of folks 'happy with the pony trick' does not include anybody with spare change.
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14:00 ascii_field perhaps mircea_popescu oughta ask ben_vulpes to offer de raadt some wwwdev wurk.
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14:01 trinque how bout sell openbsd as a fucking product, you communists
14:02 trinque give source too; it's a separate question
14:02 ascii_field trinque: care to describe for my enlightenment ?
14:02 ascii_field what means 'sell' ?
14:02 ascii_field does it entail forbidding redistribution and republication ?
14:02 trinque don't various lisp shops sell licenses but provide source?
14:02 ascii_field this was quite common at one point.
14:02 trinque so, that.
14:02 ascii_field mostly died out because NOBODY BUYS
14:03 trinque if the market doesn't want nice things they don't exist; that is a cultural problem
14:03 ascii_field and they did not 'sell the product', this is a mistaken perception, they sold ~support contracts~
14:03 ascii_field with serious commitment on both sides of the signing table.
14:04 ascii_field http://ergoemacs.org/misc/xah_as_good_as_dead.html << another fella, relevant
14:04 assbot I'm About as Good as Dead: the End of Xah Lee ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODj8fY )
14:04 jurov !t m f.mpif
14:04 assbot These beans is shit.
14:04 trinque sounds like these things can't exist outside a WoT.
14:04 ascii_field not a de raadt, certainly, but somebody who, imho, was a net plus sorta fella
14:04 ascii_field rather than biodiesel candidate
14:05 ascii_field and yet, afaik, he's gone.
14:05 jurov kakobrekla: why? f.mpif did trade last month
14:06 ascii_field trinque: the serious commitment thing existed when there was a population of serious people doing serious things with one another, supported by an actual economy with serious money circulating
14:06 trinque certainly.
14:07 ascii_field incidentally, afaik the last lisp co. to actually offer the source code this way was lispworks,
14:07 kakobrekla jurov .ws is down
14:07 ascii_field which was acquired by xanalys, a usg surveillanceatronics co.
14:08 ascii_field who, likely, were simply tired of paying royalties on the runtime (yes!)
14:08 ascii_field and decided to simply devour the tool vendor
14:10 ascii_field aaaactually now that i recall it was franz who charged royalties
14:10 ascii_field not lispworks
14:10 trinque still alive eh?
14:10 ascii_field but it is conceivable that xanalys was tired of paying for dev runtimes, which were expensive
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14:10 ascii_field the concept of ~paying for~ a programming system is - like it or not - unpalatable to most folks, incl. what remains of 'serious business'
14:10 trinque if lispworks was in such a weak position that one client could purchase them in this manner, good for both parties.
14:11 ascii_field my point was that it was in a weak position ~for a reason~
14:11 phf re "sell services give away code", clozure associates (ccl people) recently laid off a bunch of their devs. including such heavyweights as rme and gbyers. presumably because like ascii said, nobody's buying
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14:11 trinque this is not a problem that can be solved on the end of a lispworks
14:11 ascii_field even microshit gives away their compiler today
14:12 phf note that ccl is used internally by google now, after they acquired ITA. only way to get money out of goog is presumably acquihire
14:12 ascii_field trinque: back to openbsd, would you personally be willing to use an os with nonpublic source ?
14:12 ascii_field i would not.
14:13 trinque I would run something with source disclosed to me and those in my WoT
14:13 trinque and don't care about public
14:13 ascii_field trinque: my understanding is that qnx license includes (for a serious bag of dough) the source.
14:13 ascii_field go, buy.
14:13 ascii_field pretty spiffy commercial unix incidentally.
14:14 ascii_field (runs, or at least at one point ran, a few reactors)
14:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.0005176 = 4.4772 BTC [+] {3}
14:14 trinque Access to QNX source code is free, but commercial deployments of QNX Neutrino runtime components still require royalties, and commercial developers will continue to pay for QNX Momentics® development seats. However, noncommercial developers, academic faculty members, and qualified partners will be given access to QNX development tools and runtime products at no charge.
14:14 phf franz and lispworks both do source disclosure. i'm pretty sure the only way franz survives is by having ridiculously low overheads, combined with aggressive licensing policy about their technology, some of which doesn't have any equivalents in the open market.
14:15 trinque aside from the WoT aspect this is exactly what I proposed
14:15 trinque and how is qnx doing financially?
14:15 BingoBoingo Owned by Blackberry
14:15 BingoBoingo So...
14:15 ascii_field aha.
14:15 ascii_field NOBODY PAYS
14:15 trinque that was a purchase, correct?
14:15 ascii_field for motherfucking sunlight.
14:16 trinque how were they doing before
14:16 trinque it's not sunlight
14:16 trinque your USSR is showing
14:16 ascii_field i'm breathing unmetered public air, even
14:16 ascii_field comyooonizm!!!!
14:16 trinque nobody invented the fucking air
14:17 ascii_field wai wut i missed the memo, we're paying inventors for things now ?
14:17 trinque not them, but the companies that own them
14:18 ascii_field trinque: did you send your cheque to SCO yet ?
14:18 ascii_field for the linux ransom ?
14:18 trinque blackberry bought them to have something that *makes money*
14:18 trinque this is nonsense; people pay for technology every day
14:18 trinque that the software field was overrun by communists notwithstanding
14:18 ascii_field at any rate, i would not mind living in the 1980s world where serious folks bought support contracts for serious os, etc
14:18 ascii_field but i don't live there.
14:18 jurov kakobrekla: it will stay down forever, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-11-2015#1334078
14:18 assbot Logged on 30-11-2015 15:39:58; mircea_popescu: so : the new proxy list is http://mpex.biz/ ; http://mpex.co/ ; http://mpex.re/ ; http://mpex.site/
14:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.00052128 = 24.5784 BTC [+] {7}
14:20 trinque ascii_field: yep, what makes for a growing and healthy software industry may not be possible on this side of things.
14:20 jurov $proxies
14:20 trinque but I'm not going to base the definition of that on "microshit does X"
14:20 trinque whether we live in walmartia or not
14:21 ascii_field trinque: microshit, and the few and feeble weapons which have been built to put up some sort of fight against it, entirely demolished the 'healthy commercial software' thing
14:21 ascii_field i don't personally expect to live to see it come back in any recognizable form.
14:22 BingoBoingo http://www.markfickett.com/stuff/artPage.php?id=389 << Six sides good, more sides bad
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14:22 assbot Mark Fickett | Art Stuff | Dice Roller ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImNG64 )
14:24 ascii_field BingoBoingo: can't help but wonder how much he was ~actually~ testing his OCR's defects.
14:24 ascii_field rather than the dice
14:25 BingoBoingo Well, for that you test with single sided dice.
14:25 trinque !b 5
14:25 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1W05EWQ.txt )
14:27 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:29 ascii_field https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/fbis-suicide-letter-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-and-dangers-unchecked-surveillance << lulzy usgism
14:29 assbot FBI's "Suicide Letter" to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Dangers of Unchecked Surveillance | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImOTKV )
14:33 jurov what about adding a debiasing mechanism to dice? it would measure the statistics and try to correct by moving internal weight around
14:33 * jurov runs to kixstarter
14:33 ascii_field don't forget to include gsm modem !!111
14:35 jurov rfid would be better fit ;D
14:36 BingoBoingo Fuck it, stick a dildo motor in the dice
14:37 trinque needs to be able to flash the firmware too; what if we shipped a bug
14:39 adlai soon enough, casinos are required to have debiasing dice, and put their data dumps in deedbot-
14:39 adlai because provable transparency
14:39 adlai er 'provably fair'
14:40 BingoBoingo six sided dice are fair enough. 20 is inherently unstable like their users.
14:40 jurov also, the dice must detect presence of mentally challenged persons and adjust accordingly
14:41 adlai but this is unfair, siliconkin telekinesis witches can fool the biasing circuits in their favor
14:41 jurov i'd like to see your one-sided dice. something like riemann surface comes to mind
14:42 jurov er... klein bottle
14:44 BingoBoingo One sided dice are used all the time at the poker table
14:46 kakobrekla jurov that line does not say 'it will stay down forever'
14:46 jurov okay i was overly dramatic. but .ws is not there, that's all
14:48 kakobrekla if its not coming back in a reasonable time i will change it. perhaps mp will clear this up.
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14:50 jurov it relates nicely to yest discussion... everyone just comes here to dump their mind
14:51 BingoBoingo mind needs to shit too
14:51 jurov info like mpex proxies belongs to wiki or some other discoverable place. but ppl refuse to put it there
14:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11457 @ 0.00052383 = 6.0015 BTC [+] {2}
15:03 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
15:04 ascii_field 'Providing strong funding for FHE and iO provides risk-free political cover. It supports a storyline that cloud storage and computing is safe. It helps entrench favored values within the cryptographic community: speculative, theory-centric directions. And it helps keep harmless academics who could, if they got feisty, start to innovate in more sensitive directions.'
15:05 ascii_field ^ this re: the 'homomorphic' claptrap
15:09 adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3AETZJP.txt
15:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1zZpY )
15:09 deedbot- accepted: 1
15:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6332 @ 0.00051664 = 3.2714 BTC [-] {2}
15:11 jurov it that why ussr/russia won't fund the real thing, either?
15:11 ascii_field jurov: which thing
15:11 jurov boring crypto
15:12 ascii_field jurov: su state of the art re: crypto, as far as i can tell, was ~deadly boring~ - good ol' vernam otp
15:12 ascii_field just as perfect (or 'unusable', take your pick) today as it was in 1918.
15:15 ascii_field i recently bought an interesting monograph re: sov crypto 1930s-1950s
15:15 ascii_field very interesting in the 'orc' perspective - military folk did not trust (largely correctly!) their cipher machines and remote communication in general.
15:16 ascii_field ('serious' crypto was strictly otp in su lands, as it is today. field crypto was, often, 19th c.-style transposition derpery, relying largely on the very short useful life of the message to avoid being broken)
15:17 adlai jurov: 'live' charts are still dead
15:18 jurov aye
15:18 ascii_field adlai: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-11-2015#1333440 - wtf ?!
15:18 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 14:46:13; adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/181NDV6.txt
15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00051089 = 2.6822 BTC [-] {2}
15:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00051089 = 6.4372 BTC [-]
15:19 * ascii_field is rather curious re: what adlai thinks he is doing
15:20 trinque what is that
15:20 ascii_field another pseudopgpgram
15:20 ascii_field evidently meant as a riddle for us
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15:20 adlai base64 dont cut it now?
15:20 adlai damn
15:21 adlai maybe base58 next
15:21 ascii_field adlai: does this one tell us where the gold is buried ?
15:21 ascii_field because if so i might be willing to spend a little more time on it
15:22 ascii_field http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/12/dhs-giving-firms-free-penetration-tests << from the l0lnet
15:22 adlai The Gold It's in the... https://youtu.be/aFD_WVKZ1dA
15:22 assbot jew gold - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1BJPY )
15:22 ascii_field '...if you look at the recently discovered back door installs that happened during the Olympics under the guise of helping secure the system that this also provides pretty open access to corporations in the US for the same type of subterfuge. Free security scanning all for the low price of a well placed back door.'
15:23 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334691 << i have been buying each cd set since 5.5
15:23 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 18:59:12; ascii_field: evidently the set of folks 'happy with the pony trick' does not include anybody with spare change.
15:23 ascii_field danielpbarron: neato
15:23 adlai funny that you mention it, but cleartext actually does attempt rainbow triangulation
15:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24968 @ 0.00051383 = 12.8293 BTC [+]
15:26 ascii_field BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al : does anyone else find that krebsonsecurity refuses to load from archive.is ?
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15:27 ascii_field i suspect now that krebs has it iptable-banned
15:27 ascii_field and it would be interesting to learn what he has to say for himself.
15:30 jurov deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201511.txt.asc
15:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImXXiN )
15:30 deedbot- accepted: 1
15:30 jurov deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151201/attachment_323deb4e48e875e9e4b0bed9c8b12befdd0c110d.txt
15:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImY0Lx )
15:30 deedbot- accepted: 1
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6010 @ 0.00052042 = 3.1277 BTC [+]
15:36 adlai !up thestringpuller
15:37 thestringpuller in regards to BIP 101 >> http://imgur.com/EzYzrNd
15:38 adlai http://dpaste.com/0YFMGDY.txt
15:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1DKvp )
15:38 adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0YFMGDY.txt
15:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1DKvp )
15:38 deedbot- accepted: 1
15:38 adlai !s vexual edition
15:38 assbot 2 results for 'vexual edition' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vexual+edition
15:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46003 @ 0.00051345 = 23.6202 BTC [-] {6}
15:40 ben_vulpes adlai: what /are/ you doing?
15:41 trinque performance art eh?
15:41 * adlai is doing deeds, isn't that how they're supposed to verb?
15:41 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:41 ascii_field 'HELP! he cried, but no one seemed to hear / "You just solve these equations, then you're free!"' << notbad.jpg
15:42 adlai !s theorems to prove
15:42 assbot 8 results for 'theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theorems+to+prove
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15:42 adlai erdos (aside from being cis white male etc etc) also had the priviledge of /choice/
15:43 ascii_field adlai: choice of what ?
15:43 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334872
15:43 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 20:42:08; assbot: 8 results for 'theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theorems+to+prove
15:44 ascii_field choice... of theorems ?
15:44 adlai literally too, but that's not the point
15:45 ascii_field then of what ?
15:45 adlai jules (samueL jackson's char in pulp fiction) would've killed to walk like erdos
15:50 punkman there's another puzzle in the deeds with some future-gold. would buy you about a bag of coal right now.
15:51 adlai well deedbot pisses gold dust if you hold the sieve just right
15:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27643 @ 0.00050861 = 14.0595 BTC [-] {3}
15:53 adlai as does s.mpoe
15:54 shinohai adlai: anything will give you gold if you hold the sieve correctly.
15:54 punkman BingoBoingo: six sided dice are fair enough. 20 is inherently unstable like their users. << I wonder why nobody's selling loaded 20sided dice
15:54 shinohai ^_____________^
15:55 trinque adlai: enjoy your cheeseburger
15:55 adlai ?
15:56 adlai not halal
15:56 punkman are edible gold flakes halal?
15:58 trinque adlai: I assume you have been verifying the deeds by picking up the dust
15:58 adlai some of them, yes. i deeded my tool itself, http://deedbot.org/deed-381528-1.txt
15:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1In0o4S )
15:59 trinque saw that, neato
15:59 ascii_field 'Marginalized people also suffer some of the unintended consequences of dogmatic insistence on meritocratic principles of governance. Studies have show that organizational cultures that value meritocracy often result in greater inequality. People with "merit" are often excused for their bad behavior in public spaces based on the value of their technical contributions. Meritocracy also naively assumes a level playing
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15:59 ascii_field field, in which everyone has access to the same resources, free time, and common life experiences to draw upon. These factors and more make contributing to open source a daunting prospect for many people, especially women and other underrepresented people. (For more critical analysis of meritocracy, refer to this entry on the Geek Feminism wiki.)' << from ben_vulpes's link
15:59 shinohai fukkin a adlai
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16:00 adlai fukkin a.
16:00 ascii_field http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/code_of_conduct.txt << mircea_popescu will love this one
16:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1In0w4o )
16:00 ascii_field can hardly wait till this merges with what's left of gpl and turns into a 'viral license' or whatnot
16:01 trinque the inevitability of this is undeniable
16:01 shinohai as for halal ... lamb chops on the grille tonite
16:02 * mircea_popescu is actually not going to bother reading it.
16:02 ascii_field mircea_popescu just saved a good 10 secondz!
16:02 mircea_popescu ;;google how to deal withg pseudoscience
16:02 gribble Distinguishing Science and Pseudoscience - Quackwatch: <http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html>; Examples of Pseudoscience: <http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-pseudoscience.html>; Pseudoscience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience>
16:02 thestringpuller adlai: referring to walk the earth?
16:03 shinohai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p212848xPzM <<< music to slaughter goats by
16:03 assbot Rootwater - Hava Nagila - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1Hcq3 )
16:03 ascii_field mircea_popescu: however, the site had a handy list of derps who caved and signed the oath.
16:04 mircea_popescu quote it
16:05 trinque looks like a bunch of already irrelevant JS and Ruby garbage
16:06 mircea_popescu so then who cares.
16:07 mircea_popescu in other lulz, http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29130615/argentine-president-overrides-extradition-man-charged-denver-murder
16:07 assbot Argentine president overrides extradition of man charged in Denver murder - The Denver Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1In1i1q )
16:07 punkman http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/technology/in-a-global-market-for-hacking-talent-argentines-stand-out.html
16:07 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1In1mxX )
16:08 mircea_popescu bwahahaha
16:09 mircea_popescu and in a global market for picking cotton americans stand out.
16:09 mircea_popescu the ~5 or so people who can code weren't born here. the rest can't do change in their head.
16:09 ben_vulpes rates in ars are only ~20% below those in michigan, and that doesn't even start to include cost of doing business with argentines.
16:10 mircea_popescu slaves only. i have nfi what one'd have to have for skull filler to "do business" with argentines.
16:10 ascii_field Atom, AngularJS, angular-formly, Babel, Bundler, chef-rvm, Diaspora, Eclipse, Elixir, Exercism.io, GitLab, HaskellNow.org, Homebrew-Cask, Jekyll, Lotus, Mensa, Monsti CMS, Mozilla Webmaker, Rails, ROM, RSpec, ruby-community, RubyGems.org, RVM, Shoes, Spree, TinyMCE, Volt.rb'
16:10 ben_vulpes you'd probably pay them what they think they're worth
16:11 ascii_field ^ i've only ever ~heard~, much less seen alive, a few of these
16:11 ben_vulpes anyways in "us becoming argentina" nyooz, today for the first time in my life a coffee shop failed to produce exact change
16:11 ben_vulpes note: not /haskell/ but /haskellnow.org/
16:11 mircea_popescu ascii_field these are names ?!
16:11 ben_vulpes which hilariously does not resolve?
16:12 ascii_field mircea_popescu: software projects / orgs. i can't be arsed to produce the human names
16:12 mircea_popescu dude you gotta be kidding me, three fat chicks in colorado made up a bunch of strings and now you're quoting them at me ?
16:12 trinque everything I recognize in that list is a pile of useless shit
16:12 jurov adlai: coinbrlive is on, with bonus hacky multiple mpex proxies support to make everyone's eyes bleed moar
16:12 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:12 ascii_field trinque: as far as i can see, aha
16:13 mircea_popescu rubygems.org sounds like a sort of expert sexchange thing\
16:13 ben_vulpes jurov: cool! any arbportunities across the proxies?
16:13 mircea_popescu ahahaha wut
16:13 ben_vulpes "rubygems is down, can't deploy today"
16:13 ascii_field and 'eclipse' is a kludgy text editor thing, i used it at uni once
16:13 ben_vulpes ;)
16:13 ascii_field (and then again a few years ago, it was built into a proprietary software turd)
16:14 ben_vulpes java ide non?
16:14 adlai jurov: tyvm
16:14 jurov ben_vulpes: only if find out how to arbitrage clock time
16:14 adlai !up thestringpuller
16:14 ascii_field ben_vulpes: originally
16:14 adlai thestringpuller: yes
16:14 ben_vulpes jurov: i've got these quantum bitcoins that might work in arbing the proxies
16:15 BingoBoingo <ascii_field> i suspect now that krebs has it iptable-banned << I've noticed a few other sites seem to offer archive.is null as well
16:15 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes hysterical story : one of my sluts went to "free drama class" organised by some argentine. derp refused to give her the reading material claiming the first class is just a social call.
16:16 mircea_popescu who then proceeded to a) have them read some inept turdball he DIDNT HAVE COPIES OF and b) demand $300 from participants
16:16 mircea_popescu which the other derps ACTUALLY PAID
16:16 jurov hard us$ ??
16:16 ascii_field 'Argentina's president has blocked the extradition of a Denver fugitive who claims he was framed for murder because video he took of ground zero proves U.S. complicity in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.' << lulzy
16:16 mircea_popescu bonus points, she doesn't wear panties and the thing involved a lot of bending over.
16:16 mircea_popescu jurov nah their shitty peso thing
16:16 mircea_popescu ~20 bux
16:16 jurov aok
16:17 mircea_popescu which was the first time anyone in the dumb country ever saw someone else's cunt, seeing how, well... they don't do the cunt thing here.
16:17 ben_vulpes catholics. only good thing about catholics are catholic school girls.
16:17 mircea_popescu by and large, argentines aren't qualified to be mexicans.
16:17 ben_vulpes "oh, you're going to send your daughter to st. mary's? awesome! i knew a bunch of girls from there in HS."
16:18 ascii_field 'Sonnenfeld called 911 dispatchers in the early morning of Jan. 1, 2002, a few months after the terror attacks, claiming that his wife had shot herself in the head. Denver police, believing the scene was staged, arrested Sonnenfeld that morning. But prosecutors in the office of former Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter, who later became governor, dismissed the charges several months later because of insufficient
16:18 ascii_field evidence at the time. The following year, murder charges were refiled ...'
16:18 * ben_vulpes lecherous grin
16:18 mircea_popescu "hackers" my foot. do you know how many people that are "bitcoin traders" EVEN KNOW what pgp is ?
16:18 mircea_popescu or don't run windows ?
16:19 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes they do have problems being the only naked person in the room, at least for the first week or so.
16:19 mircea_popescu but otherwise, the advantage of imbecility : doesn't remember anything for too long.
16:19 ben_vulpes i wasn't playing those games at that age
16:20 ascii_field the way mircea_popescu describes his town, one could almost conclude he is in africa ?
16:20 mircea_popescu i am in africa, yes.
16:20 * ben_vulpes thinks
16:21 ben_vulpes tango lesson wasn't worth the twenty bucks either in retrospect.
16:21 mircea_popescu how else do you explain all the chinese swarming the place.
16:21 ben_vulpes shoulda just gone and humiliated myself at the milonga
16:22 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i dunno why you'd even consider taking "lessons" from an outfit that has a) < 20 females and b) average age over 20.
16:22 mircea_popescu why the fuck, what is this, ged ?
16:22 mircea_popescu you wanna run a dancery, better beg rob or pay some women to be there.
16:22 ben_vulpes because i had limited time and was drinking with the asshats all the other days?
16:23 * ben_vulpes doesn't dance in places like that at home
16:24 * mircea_popescu vaguely considered opening a non-retarded club
16:24 mircea_popescu but meh.
16:25 mircea_popescu i can't be arsed to read a nyt piece. so what, the pirelli calendar can't compete with internet porn, is going to no longer display nudity ?
16:25 mircea_popescu totally cultural shift. ie, away from books.
16:26 punkman "EkoParty began as a small gathering of Argentine hackers who exchanged their discoveries over the web. Today, hundreds of Argentine hackers, ranging from 14 to 45 years old, line up around the block to show off their skills to executives from Silicon Valley start-ups like Synack, a security company, as well as more established consulting firms like Deloitte"
16:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334657 << heh
16:28 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 18:23:26; ascii_field: where were you imbeciles when we phuctored ?
16:29 mircea_popescu punkman right. they make a decent show of being whores, except they then want to be paid for status not for work.
16:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334669 << adn what do you seek ? adventure and the thrill of the kill ?
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16:30 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 18:39:12; ascii_field: trinque: typical bureaucrat folk seek only the holy trinity of mortgage, 'health,' and 'dental.
16:31 mircea_popescu they don't seek "mortgage, health and dental". they seek to be "free to dedicate themselves to intellectual work, as they define it".
16:31 ben_vulpes i never got the dental
16:31 ben_vulpes what, do people not make friends with dentists?
16:33 mircea_popescu somehow all the hotties ended up in dentistry in romania
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16:33 mircea_popescu i went for a checkup and never wanted to fucking leave cca 2013
16:34 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334993 << i do sloth, avarice, wrath, and lust.
16:34 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 21:30:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334669 << adn what do you seek ? adventure and the thrill of the kill ?
16:34 mircea_popescu ...
16:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334692 << no ty. he had his chance in 2013 or wehn was it, and shat all over the food dispenser.
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16:34 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 19:00:24; ascii_field: perhaps mircea_popescu oughta ask ben_vulpes to offer de raadt some wwwdev wurk.
16:35 ascii_field mircea_popescu: aha i recall now!
16:35 ben_vulpes dude wwwdev is a fraction of the throughput
16:35 ascii_field worse, iirc he permitted some monkey to shit in it in his place
16:35 ben_vulpes its like 80% tappy screens
16:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334728 << the fundamental problem with all of this is the "open market" approach to things.
16:38 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 19:11:26; phf: re "sell services give away code", clozure associates (ccl people) recently laid off a bunch of their devs. including such heavyweights as rme and gbyers. presumably because like ascii said, nobody's buying
16:38 mircea_popescu why the fuck would you sell access ? who are these schmucks that they may buy ?
16:38 mircea_popescu the chinese ain't selling jack.
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16:38 mircea_popescu you don't sell. you cut a deal with ONE competitor in a field, and that's that. the rest all die because they can't deploy computers that work.
16:41 ascii_field --'hi, i'm selling computer that works.' --'does it run msoffice?' --'...' --[click]
16:42 mircea_popescu mno.
16:42 mircea_popescu advertisement : are you tired of wasting your time in queues at Shitty Supermarkets ? So move on to TMSR Supermarkets - their computer systems don't die every other hour for half an hour.
16:42 mircea_popescu that's it.
16:43 ascii_field presently i'm not convinced that any computer uses really... wants to live, all that much. wake me up when uranium centrifuge no longer runs winblowz, i might reconsider this theory
16:43 mircea_popescu you don't call SS and pitch them.
16:43 mircea_popescu and they call you and you hang up
16:43 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:43 mircea_popescu they can't have it for any price
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16:43 mircea_popescu they sell the store to TMSR Supermarkets. at a discount.
16:44 mircea_popescu the notion of "things, for people" is broken.
16:44 mircea_popescu "good things ONLY for good people"
16:44 mircea_popescu and if you don't have them you're not a person and your death won't be prosecutable. and that's that.
16:44 ascii_field mircea_popescu: this is a logical picture, but how does vendor amortize the cost of producing the magic ?
16:45 mircea_popescu vendor does not amortize.
16:45 ascii_field vendor finds buried treasure instead ?
16:45 ascii_field am i thick?
16:45 mircea_popescu mnope.
16:45 mircea_popescu what's to amortize ?
16:45 ascii_field or will grocery store pay for fabbing si
16:45 ascii_field so it can have noncrashing checkouts
16:45 mircea_popescu in shares.
16:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334802 << i have no idea why the namecheap redirect dfoesn't work and i dun really wanna go dig into it.
16:47 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 19:48:16; kakobrekla: if its not coming back in a reasonable time i will change it. perhaps mp will clear this up.
16:47 mircea_popescu fucktards can't do anything right
16:47 ascii_field iirc the miner asic projects that did straight-and-honest shares - flopped; the scumbags who took preorders and mined with the machines for months, years - won.
16:48 ascii_field but i could be mistaken, wasn't fully awake for this mess
16:49 mircea_popescu ascii_field nah. the only one that won actually had shares (asicminer). the rest all flopped. especially the scumbags.
16:49 ascii_field wasn't it a 'permanent mining bond' scamatron ?
16:49 kakobrekla asicminer flopped as well.
16:49 ben_vulpes > dig into it
16:50 ben_vulpes p. good pun even if accidental
16:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335012 << the chinese are selling, to anyone who will buy, the one and only thing they have in abundance - coolie sweat
16:51 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 21:38:21; mircea_popescu: the chinese ain't selling jack.
16:51 ascii_field (sometimes solidified into hardware)
16:53 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335022 << btw edison tried this with his film projector. it did not work.
16:53 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 21:43:17; mircea_popescu: they can't have it for any price
16:53 ascii_field eventually the scum do what it takes to be rid of you and take your $tech by force
16:53 ascii_field or deception, or betrayal, etc.
16:57 ascii_field sorta a rehash of the 'intellectual property' wank. inanimate objects, once you're done making them, don't have a 'will' to propagate your intent, whatever it was, when you made them
16:57 mircea_popescu kakobrekla anyway, redirects re-added. i wouldn't reallty expect them to work, seeing how namecheap, but anyway. im not renewing .bz or .ws because the new registrar doesn't carry them
16:57 ascii_field american cpu is just as happy to be reverse-engineered by a ru schmuck as it is to calculate payroll for chrysler
16:58 mircea_popescu ascii_field define "it did not work"
16:58 ascii_field mircea_popescu: edison's heirs do not control film industry today
16:58 mircea_popescu fucktards can';t even be arsed to KNOW phuctor exists ?
16:59 mircea_popescu and the few and far between people who can actually do things are NOT going to want to be with us ? but prefer to serve the fuctard empire ?
16:59 mircea_popescu mk, this is a sight i wish to see.
16:59 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure they ~knew~ of it. the ignorance was ~studied indifference~
16:59 mircea_popescu looky : it's not JUST that i can't give less of a shit what the wash-popo writes
16:59 mircea_popescu it's not just that "how to deal with pseudoscience"
17:00 mircea_popescu it's that the whole fucking shebang of idiots can be safely ignored.
17:00 mircea_popescu all they'll do about it is whine. "oh this projector is not user friendly"
17:00 mircea_popescu o yeah ? tell your mother being ugly is no excuse to fuck drunks.
17:00 * ascii_field would much like to live on the planet where they can be safely ignored. yes, i hear it's a nice place, good climate, hot chixx
17:00 mircea_popescu sure, someone somewhere will "steal" it. and ?
17:00 mircea_popescu who're they gonna want to tell all about it ? me or president bahamas ?
17:01 ascii_field unfortunately the muppets aren't harmless
17:01 ascii_field as described in mircea_popescu's 'problem of too much money' mega-article
17:02 mircea_popescu they aren't harmless to you because you're addicted to your dental.
17:02 mircea_popescu carry on, but don't expect me to care.
17:02 ascii_field not speaking of my corpse here
17:02 ascii_field but of the muppets' collective ability to destroy entire fields by skewing incentives
17:02 ascii_field (e.g., go and buy sane cpu)
17:02 mircea_popescu no field was "destroyed"
17:02 mircea_popescu the sane cpu never existed.
17:03 mircea_popescu it has this in common with all the OTHER things thart were never made.
17:03 mircea_popescu their absence is the result of no destruction.
17:03 ascii_field aha because nobody, sane or otherwise, wants to pay the $1m/each.
17:03 mircea_popescu no.
17:03 mircea_popescu it doesn't exist. absence admits no cause.
17:04 ascii_field what is this aristotelian claptrap. i can readily describe the exact cause of, say, absence of icicle on the surface of the sun.
17:04 * ascii_field hurriedly straps on gas mask
17:04 mircea_popescu ...
17:04 jurov http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/block/miscellaneous_symbols_and_pictographs/images.htm << while you have the mask
17:04 assbot Unicode Characters in the Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs Block ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1Q3Ia )
17:04 mircea_popescu stick to explaining the absence of "real" enemies of usg as well as the absence of non-white swans.
17:06 ascii_field 🌬
17:06 ascii_field ^ does this actually display on anybody's terminal ?
17:06 ascii_field jurov: sc4m!!1111
17:06 mircea_popescu god damned it if i wanted 3pt cartouches i'd have learned egyptian
17:06 jurov yes, i see it fine
17:07 jurov mircea_popescu: what about submitting symbols for sexual positions
17:07 ascii_field mircea_popescu: pretty sure eg hieroglyphs ~are~ in unicode presently
17:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00050982 = 20.8516 BTC [-] {4}
17:08 mircea_popescu jurov what about it ?
17:09 jurov if you would at least review the list
17:09 mircea_popescu mneah.
17:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334831 <<< ever sorted out the matchstick problem ?
17:10 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 20:20:24; ascii_field: evidently meant as a riddle for us
17:10 mircea_popescu speaking of evidently a riddle.
17:11 * ascii_field will admit that he thinks about it with some regularity, but will not claim to have a correct solution
17:11 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334846 << i dun think i ever read krebs' thing.
17:11 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 20:26:34; ascii_field: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al : does anyone else find that krebsonsecurity refuses to load from archive.is ?
17:12 ascii_field mircea_popescu: though my brother laughed when i described it, but would not say moar
17:12 * mircea_popescu enjoys a good riddle, especially when he's on the right end of it.
17:12 * ascii_field likes riddles very much
17:12 ascii_field mircea_popescu: krebs is a spam zoologist
17:13 ascii_field with a great deal of 'mainstream media' exposure
17:13 ascii_field but not (afaik) an ~obvious~ tool.
17:13 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:15 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Wash-a-by-baby. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/01/wash-a-by-baby/
17:18 jurov ;;later tell pete_dushenski is that ...err.. something visible in the third pic?
17:18 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:19 jurov nah, baby's leg
17:21 pete_dushenski omfg jurov don't scare me like that
17:22 BingoBoingo Early 2014. Bob Beck was the one to shit all over the opportunity http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335003
17:22 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 21:34:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334692 << no ty. he had his chance in 2013 or wehn was it, and shat all over the food dispenser.
17:23 ascii_field i'm a bit confused.... where did the $0.5M donated by microshit go ?
17:24 ascii_field lemme guess, a 'phoundation'
17:24 ascii_field that has nothing to do with the author?
17:24 ascii_field and was mircea_popescu's however-many btc for openbsd sent to the phoundation, or to de raadt ?
17:25 * ascii_field scours logs fruitlessly for the answer
17:26 pete_dushenski ;;google site:trilema.com bob beck
17:26 gribble The public burning of Bob Beck on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck>; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options on Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options>; What happens when you add a drop of sewage to a bottle of fine ...: <http://trilema.com/what-happens-when-you- (1 more message)
17:27 BingoBoingo <ascii_field> that has nothing to do with the author? << Yes
17:28 BingoBoingo Foundation that pays for hackathons and such. Developer rent and food, no.
17:28 pete_dushenski "Yes, 20BTC would definately have you listed as a significant foundation contributor on our contributions page, assuming you wanted to be listed there."
17:30 ascii_field does openbsd have a ~meaningful~ existence apart from 'what de raadt does' ?
17:31 ascii_field or, to put the question differently, what do all the non-de-raadt folks whose rent and food ARE paid for by the donations, do for the project ?
17:31 ascii_field afaik - 'plowing flies'
17:35 BingoBoingo My impression is that Foundation pays pretty much anything that can be billed like power, conference hotels, conference food though it pointedly does not offer anyone $x as compensation in the name of not starving.
17:36 ascii_field all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing
17:36 BingoBoingo Basically the hotels make rent and food from Foundation
17:36 BingoBoingo <ascii_field> all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing << YEs
17:36 ascii_field supposing he's telling the truth, this answers my question.
17:36 ascii_field plowing flies.
17:37 BingoBoingo plowing flied, "donors have come to expect"
17:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10136 @ 0.00051371 = 5.207 BTC [+] {3}
17:37 BingoBoingo Microsoft will donate all the money in the world to OpenBSD so long as no penny goes to keep Deraadt alive
17:38 ascii_field this still leaves my other question,
17:38 * BingoBoingo supposes Deraadt could turn residence into "conference venue" host open ended hackathon, but then the charityrastas would be like "imprudent
17:38 ascii_field which one did mircea_popescu donate to ?
17:38 trinque fucktarded opensource foundations do not work, news at 11
17:38 BingoBoingo Ah\
17:39 trinque why is openbsd special here?
17:39 ascii_field trinque: in no sense special, it is illustrative of a particular thing imho
17:39 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> and was mircea_popescu's however-many btc for openbsd sent to the phoundation, or to de raadt ? << to whoever they wanted. what do i care.
17:39 BingoBoingo <trinque> why is openbsd special here? << Still has dictator who works
17:40 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing << and having EARNED it, too.,
17:40 trinque dictator with no grain, eh?
17:40 jurov i'm curious how will thebitcoinfoundation fare up. so far looks like it will never ever spend anything :D
17:40 mircea_popescu as per http://trilema.com/2010/moment-de-visare/#selection-113.0-113.209
17:40 assbot Moment de visare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ing08A )
17:40 ascii_field jurov: i vaguely recall there were talks of you folks renting a box somewhere
17:41 mircea_popescu somehow a bunch of [mostly white] kids bought into this theory that "intelligence" as they define it is worth two shits.
17:41 mircea_popescu proceeded to ruin their lives accordingly.
17:42 adlai tbf doesn't have to spend anything to add value
17:43 adlai it's already performing a role as a little capacitor on the profit release valve
17:43 ben_vulpes muxed meatphork
17:44 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:44 ascii_field 'Our Directors are: Ken Westerback, Toronto ON Daniel Boulet, Sherwood Park AB' << i don't see a de raadt
17:45 ascii_field was there one included in the past ?
17:45 ascii_field where did this thing even come from.
17:47 mircea_popescu it came from "i'm an imbecile and instead of doing good work i'll pretend like google and microshit is paying me"
17:47 mircea_popescu ;;google son i am dissapoint
17:47 gribble Son, I Am Disappoint | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint>; Son.. I am Disappoint (song) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-0dqVpMsgE>; I am disappoint - Encyclopedia Dramatica: <https://encyclopediadramatica.se/I_am_disappoint>
17:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00052314 = 10.2012 BTC [+] {3}
17:47 mircea_popescu except with different hats.
17:48 ascii_field mircea_popescu: for my education, describe what a smart de raadt would've done
17:49 mircea_popescu showed up, had a chat with mod6 as to how to work together.
17:50 pete_dushenski "Daniel Boulet, Sherwood Park AB" << heh. sherwood park is a suburb of edmonton. i should go throw eggs at this dude's house.
17:50 mircea_popescu imagine. fucktard has a once in a lifetime moment and not even the marginal intellectual curiosity of getting voiced.
17:51 ascii_field what's de raadt's day job anyway
17:51 mircea_popescu even hookers have more fucking intelligence than this.
17:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334896 << no, these are intended.
17:51 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 20:59:33; ascii_field: 'Marginalized people also suffer some of the unintended consequences of dogmatic insistence on meritocratic principles of governance. Studies have show that organizational cultures that value meritocracy often result in greater inequality. People with "merit" are often excused for their bad behavior in public spaces based on the value of their technical contributions. Meritocracy also naively assumes a
17:52 mircea_popescu the whole fucking point is to marginalize the worthless to death. this is what public spaces are : places where the worthless are made to feel their worthlessness.
17:52 ascii_field mircea_popescu: thinking about it, that turd simply has to be a troll job
17:53 mircea_popescu in less retarded news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/ab532f17c00a4804843916c828e034b0/tumblr_mxnu6juUr61qi0kbpo1_1280.jpg
17:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFOtmR )
17:53 BingoBoingo <ascii_field> what's de raadt's day job anyway << Trying not to cashier yet
17:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16621 @ 0.00051665 = 8.5872 BTC [-] {2}
17:54 ascii_field BingoBoingo: i was (and still am) at a lost as to what, if anything, he has to do with the derps who took the money
17:54 mircea_popescu he allows them to parasitize.
17:57 mircea_popescu "According to the SEC’s civil complaint, Homero Joshua Garza and his companies, GAW Miners and ZenMiner, sold more than 10,000 "investment contracts representing shares in the profits they claimed would be generated from using their purported computing power to ‘mine’ for virtual currency.""
17:57 mircea_popescu aka, he sold 10k shares.
17:57 kakobrekla !t m f.mpif
17:57 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000209 / 0.000209 / 0.000209 (30000 shares, 6.27 BTC)
17:57 kakobrekla jurov ^^
17:57 ben_vulpes in other news, there is now a 'Chef' for mobile phones.
17:58 mircea_popescu win.
17:58 ben_vulpes has been for some time now.
17:58 BingoBoingo ascii_field: His crumbs largely consist of travel he could not otherwise undertake as miser to said "hackathons" it seems
18:00 ascii_field BingoBoingo: if this is really a worthy price to him for selling soul - he oughta hurry up and eat his nagant
18:00 jurov yup kakobrekla
18:00 BingoBoingo ascii_field: Are Canadians allowed to have Nagants?
18:00 ascii_field let's ask pete_dushenski ?
18:01 pete_dushenski "Zuckerberg, 31, and Chan said they plan to give away 99 percent of their Facebook shares over their lifetimes to advance the initiative, which was formed as a limited liability company controlled by the two. It will begin by focusing on personalized learning, curing disease, Internet connectivity and community building." << hurry! quick like bunnies! while the shares are still worth even a dollar a piece! must! d0n4
18:01 mircea_popescu ascii_field is yours ?
18:01 ascii_field is my which
18:01 pete_dushenski ascii_field: BingoBoingo good q. lemme research.
18:01 mircea_popescu is THIS a worthy price for you to sell you soul.
18:02 pete_dushenski ascii_field: BingoBoingo looks like yes to nagant.
18:02 ascii_field mircea_popescu: what's the 'blue book' value of a soul with my mileage, anyway
18:03 pete_dushenski pretty sure shurikens are illegal here, but no reason for nagant not to be, i guess.
18:03 ascii_field pete_dushenski: 'nagant' in question is a 7-shot revolver, circa 1890s
18:03 pete_dushenski iirc nunchaku are also illegal here.
18:04 jurov as for eyebleeding hacks news, naive tx deallocation from bitcoind mempool indeed has little effect on RSS due to fragmentation. currently retrying with "libumem"...
18:04 jurov but in the end it's really got to be rewritten with fixed arrays.
18:04 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the truth behind that lol is that none of these schmucks, ie, "smart kids that made it", nor those other schmucks, ie inheritors that obama convocated to tell them how he's gonna spend their money, actually have what it takes.
18:04 mircea_popescu they're the pointlessly rich, they have absolutely nothing to say to the world,
18:04 ascii_field jurov: seems like you have replicated my experiment with same conclusion ?
18:04 mircea_popescu and so a lectern's the last thing they could use.
18:06 ascii_field jurov: and also this is imho an important result, and you really oughta post it to ml
18:06 jurov ascii_field: yes, except you did not write about the details
18:06 pete_dushenski ascii_field: 7-shot eh. how... unorthodox. aren't most 6 ?
18:06 ascii_field pete_dushenski: nagant - 7.
18:06 jurov everyone was like "alf said it's something with boost"
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18:06 pete_dushenski ascii_field: nifty.
18:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19592 @ 0.00051357 = 10.0619 BTC [-] {2}
18:07 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: guess so eh
18:07 ascii_field pete_dushenski: it had a strange and - afaik - unique - system where long-necked cartridge enclosed entire bullet, and cylinder moved against the barrel to form a gastight seal
18:07 ascii_field ... could be silenced.
18:09 mircea_popescu jurov well so don't immitate him, post a proper thing.
18:09 ascii_field ^
18:09 BingoBoingo Erik goes Derple Down on the Herp https://archive.is/42esq
18:10 assbot Note from CEO Erik Voorhees: An Appeal for Zero-Conf | ShapeShift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Inlf8j )
18:10 pete_dushenski !up thestringpuller
18:11 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: so what happens if you attack someone with nunchaku?
18:11 ascii_field holy fuck, there are still people discussing 'buying ice cream cone' and 'bitcoin' in same paragraph...!
18:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00051357 = 4.5194 BTC [-]
18:12 ascii_field thestringpuller: presumably canada will throw an exception, it is impossible
18:12 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: then jesus sheds a tear for your immorality
18:13 * thestringpuller imagines a terrorist attack in canada involving nunchaku and fake ninjas
18:13 pete_dushenski also, reading more re: prohibited weapons, brass knuckles are fucking illegal !
18:13 pete_dushenski as per s. 84(1) of canadian criminal code
18:14 jurov yes, defo will post details
18:14 ascii_field pete_dushenski: this kinda thing goes back eons. nobody can ban 'walking on the street while being scum', so ban is for 'item scum is likely to have in his pockets'
18:14 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: we entrap all potential terrorists before they can strike. see 'mounties stop cn rail attacks'
18:15 ascii_field cn ?!
18:15 ascii_field flying horses ?
18:15 ascii_field or meant 'ca' ?
18:15 pete_dushenski lol! canadian national
18:15 pete_dushenski !up ascii_field
18:15 ascii_field l0l
18:17 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335221 << i've historically had boost and std:: symlinked in my head
18:17 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 23:06:37; jurov: everyone was like "alf said it's something with boost"
18:17 ascii_field because neither pile of shit is ~really~ part of the language (i realize that this has Officially changed. doesn't matter worth a shit in my head)
18:18 ascii_field borland turbo c++ 3.1 had no motherfucking 'map' !!1111
18:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13875 @ 0.00051358 = 7.1259 BTC [+]
18:20 ascii_field http://earl.strain.at/static/tcpp30.png
18:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFRbsx )
18:20 ascii_field ^ for those who grew up on some other planet
18:21 ascii_field http://i.imgur.com/7CUm3BS.jpg << moar.
18:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFRiEm )
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2474 @ 0.00052385 = 1.296 BTC [+] {2}
18:22 pete_dushenski ""The Big Short" should be required viewing for every mortgage and banking professional in America, and maybe every high school civics class, too. It is a direct, frontal assault on the bogus claim peddled by Wall Street and conservative media that poor people and irresponsible borrowers were to blame for the housing crash and the resulting chaos." << movie starring Steve Carell, Ryan Gosling and Brad Pitt, directed
18:22 pete_dushenski m McKay (anchorman). sounds like a comedy alright.
18:23 jurov i dunno, BOOST_FOREACH can be expanded quite easily, then only the serialization stuff remains, have not looked into that yet
18:23 ben_vulpes sez who, pete_dushenski?
18:24 deedbot- [Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-november-2015-statement/
18:24 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: huffpo's ben hallman
18:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19716 @ 0.0005239 = 10.3292 BTC [+] {3}
18:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17884 @ 0.00052424 = 9.3755 BTC [+] {3}
18:33 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1334998 << quite a few around here too. some respectably tall blondes even
18:33 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 21:33:07; mircea_popescu: somehow all the hotties ended up in dentistry in romania
18:34 ben_vulpes https://gcaptain.com/norway-faces-bleak-year-offshore << no-dick system on the rocks
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18:34 assbot Norway Faces Bleak Year Offshore - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1Inp8tW )
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20:03 mircea_popescu http://49.media.tumblr.com/0e5c806b064214158a05a3b82789b74d/tumblr_n7b42nUNPe1qhs0yco1_500.gif << gotta admit those ho-cut jeans are pretty cool.
20:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEjYcm )
20:11 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/KdZRj7f.jpg
20:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkPjDn )
20:11 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/vD3grWb.jpg
20:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkPnDd )
20:12 * asciilifeform wants to unsee
20:12 asciilifeform for fucks sake
20:12 asciilifeform at least mircea_popescu posts pics of ~perfectly healthy~ uninteresting organs
20:14 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-12-2015#1335270 << poor ol' no-dicks getting bulldozered by the cheap petro (itself a usg-saudi project, last-ditch hitler's bunker bid to sink ru economy)
20:14 assbot Logged on 01-12-2015 23:34:13; ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/norway-faces-bleak-year-offshore << no-dick system on the rocks
20:17 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform wants to unsee << Your OCR works fine, but your dice are unlucky
20:19 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: not sure there's a 'usg' side of the saudi project.
20:20 pete_dushenski seems like a straight survival play for the saudi monarchy
20:21 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: how does cheapening help saud ?
20:21 asciilifeform if anything, it prolongs life of usg at the expense of pretty much everybody else
20:22 pete_dushenski cheapening doesn't help saud, maintaining revenue base helps saud
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20:22 asciilifeform ah
20:22 asciilifeform what'd be wrong with a chinese revenue base
20:22 asciilifeform ?
20:22 pete_dushenski decreased revenue would be death for saudis far sooner than for alberta, texas, etc.
20:22 pete_dushenski much more fragile
20:23 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: what do the chinese have to do with this ?
20:23 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: alternate market
20:23 asciilifeform (substitute for a dead usa)
20:24 pete_dushenski not sure i follow...
20:24 pete_dushenski china's part of the global market like everyone else
20:25 pete_dushenski their demand is part of the global demand, which is plateauing if not decreasing
20:25 asciilifeform was answer to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2015#1335290
20:25 assbot Logged on 02-12-2015 01:22:06; pete_dushenski: cheapening doesn't help saud, maintaining revenue base helps saud
20:26 asciilifeform from my admittedly-limited but not entirely nonexistent meatwot intelligence - saud is not actually sovereign: all of the princelings speak english, a good chunk live in and never leave usa, park their moneys in nato.
20:26 asciilifeform muppet state.
20:27 ben_vulpes does your intel tell you how many of the kids can be trivially sacrificed?
20:27 asciilifeform mno.
20:27 ben_vulpes low oil prices do not *help* the states.
20:27 asciilifeform the time to sacrifice'em is ~before~ they inherit the various thrones and sub-thrones though.
20:27 pete_dushenski alas, i have to be off for the eve, cheers gents !
20:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it is strictly, strictly for nailing ru.
20:28 ben_vulpes saud vs ru?
20:28 ben_vulpes and decreased revenue death for saud before tejas? gimme a break.
20:28 ben_vulpes tejas already cannot afford infrastructure investment.
20:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15706 @ 0.00051358 = 8.0663 BTC [-] {2}
20:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00051413 = 5.0899 BTC [+]
20:53 jurov anyone with foundation node, can you check if it says most recent block 000000000000000009e3 is bastard (and 1 block before it)?
20:53 jurov restart fixed it, most likely just my memory corruption.. jus' asking
21:01 jurov https://www.darkwallet.is/bip16-17.html feels so weird to revisit this stuff years after
21:01 assbot The Truth behind BIP 16 and 17 | Bitcoin Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEqpfk )
21:03 jurov (0.5.4 supports neither)
21:09 asciilifeform eh, just when i thought jurov had it licked
21:11 jurov i had what?
21:11 asciilifeform the tx deallocation thing
21:12 mircea_popescu not so, i once even posted a totally flat penis in between two acrylic boards
21:12 asciilifeform hm.
21:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu winz again it seems.
21:12 mircea_popescu plus that mangled one that looked like a snail
21:12 asciilifeform uh
21:12 * asciilifeform now remembers this also.
21:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00051358 = 21.3136 BTC [-]
21:17 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: it is strictly, strictly for nailing ru. << no it's not dood. first off, it's for nailing the us. which it splendidly did, put obama's faint attempt at reindustrialization squarely in the air.
21:17 mircea_popescu but more broadly, it's a bid for survival. for as long as they still have oil reserves, the risk of oil no longer being used is much larger than the "loss" of selling it cheap.
21:19 asciilifeform once you subtract the eco-lysenkoist claptrap (e.g., 'renewable') - what's left is, what, fischer-tropsch? the fission machines that the west has forgotten how to build or maintain ?
21:19 asciilifeform so where is 'risk of not being used' in petro ?
21:19 mircea_popescu nuclear.
21:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu should enjoy the low background of the southern hem. while it lasts then...
21:21 mircea_popescu if the decision is made to actually switch to electricity, with the few trn worth of industrial adjustments this would take, oil could in fact be a curio in two decades.
21:21 mircea_popescu no more truck haulage ; no more cars for the plebs - either tesla or bycicle
21:21 * asciilifeform has always wondered why, precisely, this never happens
21:21 mircea_popescu it's a definite possibility, one the nato spent 20 years+ at assembling
21:22 mircea_popescu currently it isn't happening because oil went to 20 and cut them at the knees
21:22 mircea_popescu oil is definitely one of those things that you either have the si fab or forget about it.
21:22 mircea_popescu so once it's gone, it's gone.
21:24 mircea_popescu strategically speasking, the decision to firesell it was unavoidable. which is why ru and sa are still best buttbudies
21:25 mircea_popescu ironically, the move would actually stand a decent chance at fixing the us.
21:25 mircea_popescu they can't actually maintain the road infrastructure. they could, perhaps, be able to run decent railroad instead. it's a degree of magnitude cheaper.
21:28 asciilifeform it blew me away when i learned that usa, home of the original mega-railroads, was today a rail-backwater like africa
21:28 asciilifeform hell, iirc india today has more active track than usa.
21:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nato put some sweat into electro-catalytic synthesis of jet fuel, etc. but usa lives and dies by the 'plebes in cars' thing. and if there's been any serious push against this, it is a very well-kept secret
21:34 asciilifeform public transport here, esp. outside of the handful of mega-conurbations, is a joke.
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22:06 asciilifeform 'PSS is harder to implement because it uses randomness -- randomness is hard on many embedded systems like smart cards. The most proclaimed advantage of PSS is that it has a "security proof" with, apparently, a rather tight reduction (see this page for some references). Security proofs are not an easy subject; the proof for OAEP (the encryption padding which is like the "sister protocol" to PSS) was found out to be wrong by Sh
22:06 asciilifeform oup and then repaired again by Fujisaki, Okamoto, Pointcheval and Stern....'
22:06 asciilifeform forfuxxsake
22:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10414 @ 0.00051358 = 5.3484 BTC [-]
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23:04 phf kakobrekla: hey, so log entry #1314006 has a handful of newlines in the entry itself. what's the convention there? \n\t\t as line continuation?
23:13 BingoBoingo "On a personal "hate ramen noodles and tuna" level, I agree. But my good-for-project-good-for-the-world side says the OpenBSD Foundation is more effective at growing the contribution pie and in particular funding the hackathons where great work happens." - Theo De Raadt
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23:21 mircea_popescu i rest.
23:21 mircea_popescu he could be alf word for word
23:21 mircea_popescu "this makes no sense but i'm going to be insane nevertheless - anything, anything just as long as i stay depersonalized kthx"
23:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8843 @ 0.00051135 = 4.5219 BTC [-] {2}
23:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24414 @ 0.00050859 = 12.4167 BTC [-] {2}
23:38 BingoBoingo !up Duffer1
23:40 Duffer1 am i the only one having probs lately w/ freenode?
23:40 BingoBoingo No everyone is/has problems
23:51 trinque Duffer1: see logs; ample discussion of ddos
23:52 asciilifeform mirce_popescu et al : if i ever dementia into the 'the hackathons where great work happens' level plz take me behind the shed & shoot. k thx
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