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02:39 punkman http://nsa-patents.silk.co/
02:39 assbot NSA Patents - Silk ... ( http://bit.ly/1mZtyO1 )
02:46 punkman "Confidential data from maritime industry insiders based on engine size and the quality of fuel typically used by ships and cars shows that just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars." << and the warmingtards are worried about VW
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03:22 davout mircea_popescu: it shares with the dutch oven the fact that it's a pot i guess, it's exclusively made of clay though
03:22 davout anyway, i think it's the type of things that is best when simply demonstrated
03:24 punkman davout, does the handle of the thing have a hole for air to escape?
03:26 davout punkman: mine doesn't have a handle, and no, it doesn't really need holes for air and steam to escape, the thing is not tightly shut
03:27 punkman davout, a lot of them seem to have a little hole on google images, seemed weird, guess it doesn't go all the way through the handle
03:28 punkman what else do you cook in it, since it's unglazed?
03:29 davout it has more to do with the way it's manufactured than and actual functional necessity
03:29 davout i only use it for potatoes
03:30 punkman I suppose it'd be good for chestnuts and things
03:30 davout just clean them a bit with water, throw them in, 20 minutes microwave, and you get really great potatoes
03:31 davout might be
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05:30 punkman "As the representative glyphs for people in the Unicode code charts look in many cases as if they represent white people, even in monochrone, and as the earliest implementations of multicoloured glyphs tended to show very pale skin tones, there has been an impression that Unicode is only catering for a certain racial demographic. Over the last year or two there have been widespread calls
05:30 punkman for the Unicode Consortium to encode racially diverse versions of emoji characters representing humans or human body parts, and under intense pressure from the public, the media, and consortium members such as Apple and Google, the Unicode Technical Committee put forward a set of five emoji skin tone modifier characters as a solution."
05:32 punkman "By themselves these five characters are intended to be displayed as square fragments of colour, but when combined with any of a defined set of Unicode characters representing people or human body parts they should magically change the character's skin tone."
05:35 punkman "This solution may work for Unicode characters showing a single person, but you may wonder how multiracial emoji symbols showing two or more people with different skin tones could be represented. Would there, for example, be a way of specifying that U+1F46A 👪 family should be rendered with mother, father and child with different skin tones? The answer would seem to be no; but the Emoji Ad
05:35 punkman hoc Committee has come up with an cunning solution that allows for the combination of emoji characters, emoji modifier characters and zero-width joiner characters to produce arbitrary emoji glyphs, where a sequence of eleven Unicode characters would be intended to be rendered as a single colourized glyph showing a multiracial family."
05:41 jurov yay, hope they will add all the other colors, too. so that gorbachev's head can be accurately rendered
05:42 jurov preferably maintaining X11 colors.txt heritage
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05:59 punkman related http://mic.com/articles/130758/hey-unicode-it-s-about-damn-time-we-had-some-emojis-for-professional-women
05:59 assbot Hey, Unicode, It's About Damn Time We Had Some Emojis for Professional Women - Mic ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOZVUt )
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06:17 fluffypony I'm so glad, I was worried there wouldn't be a way to change the colour of the pony emoji
06:17 fluffypony I want to represent myself as a strong black woman pony
06:18 fluffypony hashtag poniesforchange
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07:05 BingoBoingo Apparently social engineers at twitter are trying to push #YallQueda and #VanillaISIS on the Oregon narrative
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07:49 deedbot- [Qntra] Chinese Stocks Crash Trading Halted - http://qntra.net/2016/01/chinese-stocks-crash-trading-halted/
07:51 BingoBoingo ^ 7 percent drop in CSI300 before trading suspension
07:51 BingoBoingo Fiat markets opening 2016 with some pain
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08:46 mircea_popescu davout the sort of dutch oven i use is also made of clay.
08:46 fluffypony and here I thought a Dutch oven was when you farted under the blankets
08:51 davout fluffypony: lol
08:52 mircea_popescu * Tomiii (~Tommiii@garza.riseup.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets << lolwut.
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08:53 mircea_popescu where a sequence of eleven Unicode characters would be intended to be rendered as a single colourized glyph showing a multiracial family." << these people fundamentally misunderstand what an alphabet is.
08:54 mircea_popescu seriously, send them oxen back to the farm, there's no need for freeing THESE particular slaves.
08:56 mircea_popescu davout anyway, its usually a 5 liter-ish, unglazed clay pot with a lid (that can be made airtight by applying a butter seal). i usually cook potatoes with meat in them (potatoes on the outside, make a house for hte meat). also great for mousaka, lasagna etc
08:58 davout cool.
08:59 davout next time you make that don't hesitate to share, i'm interdasted :D
08:59 mircea_popescu ima see if teh girls have any pics anywhere.
09:00 davout cunt works too i guess
09:00 mircea_popescu lol
09:00 mircea_popescu anyway. it's cleanned by rubbing well with very coarse salt, then adding water and heating it like that for a while.
09:02 punkman mircea_popescu: isn't the unglazed ceramic porous?
09:05 davout what's that "cleaning" you speak of?
09:05 mircea_popescu it is porous yes. through use it acquires a working glaze tho.
09:06 mircea_popescu davout well since it contains fats, you can't just let it be.
09:06 davout yeah, i don't clean mine because i only cook potatoes in there
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09:22 punkman http://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/11376-no-knead-bread this looks good, gonna try it with the dutch oven
09:22 assbot No-Knead Bread Recipe - NYT Cooking ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKkc6Z )
09:22 jurov punkman when it's porous it releases steam, aids in cooking
09:23 punkman jurov, gotta soak it first for steam
09:24 mircea_popescu can be soaked or not, depends what you're going for.
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09:40 mircea_popescu aww no more voicing of teh okcupiddudes ?
09:46 mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag
09:47 ascii_butugychag anybody ever play with https://github.com/GaloisInc/minlibc ?
09:47 assbot GaloisInc/minlibc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKlYF7 )
09:47 ascii_butugychag quite surprisingly readable.
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09:49 ascii_butugychag !s ben_vulpes galois
09:49 assbot 2 results for 'ben_vulpes galois' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ben_vulpes+galois
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09:51 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312463 << hm perhaps ben_vulpes used their libc ?
09:51 assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 04:44:04; v_diddy: have worked with them numerously!
09:56 ascii_butugychag lulzy, seems like they lifted all the nontrivial pieces (e.g., 'malloc') from *bdf
09:56 ascii_butugychag *bsd
09:56 ascii_butugychag from *bsd.
09:57 ascii_butugychag snorematic.
09:58 mircea_popescu iirc it was just another shrinkwrap attempt
09:58 mircea_popescu (under a "better" name)
09:58 ascii_butugychag shrinkwrap ?
09:58 ascii_butugychag it doesn't link other libc, no
09:58 mircea_popescu "preserve state of the shitstack so our software works"
09:59 ascii_butugychag but has dummy stubs for most of the gnarly bits (fopen, etc)
10:00 mircea_popescu incidentally, i've been thinking lots about your famous silicone whine. (ie, "trb can't exist until etching plant"). from a twu wuv perspective, what we actually need is an alternate technology. i am guessing that a) it will exist and b) whoever deploys it will be trb anyway.
10:01 mircea_popescu gotta make self-meshing petri dishes!
10:01 ascii_butugychag iirc i described several hypothetical variants here.
10:01 mircea_popescu indeed.
10:01 ascii_butugychag or possibly in gpggram
10:01 mircea_popescu central topic at teh conference too
10:01 ascii_butugychag aha.
10:02 mircea_popescu but no. the more i think about it, the more etched silicone is not something you wish to marry to.
10:02 mircea_popescu not anymore than the soviets actually wanted to marry to the hitler-era notions of economic activity and growth
10:02 mircea_popescu "oh we need more steel mills!111 machine factories!!11"
10:07 mircea_popescu to make an alternate but related point : i just ran grep -Fxv -f on two files, about a million records together. the ~quarter mn result took all of two seconds.
10:07 mircea_popescu the idea being that there are two discrete and identifiable uses of computing power. one is as above : leverage for already present intelligence. the other is as in the webstack : compensation for absent intelligence.
10:08 mircea_popescu in economic terms, approach B is A LOT more resource thirsty. from a planning perspective, the world is undeniably going into a resource-scarce phase.
10:09 mircea_popescu as such, it is conceivable that z-80 powered trb can actually drive into the ground 12nm process powered united-prbs.
10:11 ascii_butugychag how's that ?
10:12 ascii_butugychag i actually considered a parallel sov-z80 thing
10:12 ascii_butugychag i/o is the killer.
10:12 deedbot- [Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-sbbet-december-2015-statement/
10:12 mircea_popescu well this discussion is too far removed from tactics to be readily wrappable into something that'd make any sort of sense at that level.
10:13 ascii_butugychag do try ?
10:13 mircea_popescu but the point remains that what I use computers for and what they use computers for are very much disjunct, and relevantly so : they require about two or maybe three degrees of magnitude more materiel.
10:13 mircea_popescu soon enough they won't be able to afford to pay for computers.
10:13 ascii_butugychag the ludicrous waste of the wasteful idiots is a thing
10:13 ascii_butugychag but does not cancel bitcoin needing certain horsepower.
10:14 mircea_popescu you have to appreciate tho : to them, it is not a waste. it's a raison d'etre and so fundamental its unwind would make life worth living.
10:14 mircea_popescu indulge me with an example that's domestic for a moment.
10:14 mircea_popescu then we get to the mining issue.
10:15 mircea_popescu so : i am a rich land developer, i buy some land, develop housing. it's 16 lots, which are bought the same year by 16 couples.
10:15 mircea_popescu five years later, the "water table" so to speak changes. like you know, it changed in the ukraine recently, or in moscow in 1988.
10:16 mircea_popescu so sixteen husbands come back home one evening and explain to sixteen wives that honey : a) eating out is out of the question from now on. and b) you're going to wash your scarf by hand. and use it to make a diaper. and then wash it by hand.
10:17 mircea_popescu and c) no, the electricity's not coming back. and no, i don't mean tonight.
10:17 mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag
10:17 mircea_popescu now... fact of the matter is that most women to date have lived and thrived and been happy in the "horrible" situation described.
10:17 mircea_popescu the other fact of the matter however is that most if not all of those 16 women don't even own a scarf that could be used as described. because they don't buy by THAT criteria.
10:18 mircea_popescu their shitty plastic thing will be worn through on the 3rd pass.
10:18 mircea_popescu so, to come to terms : the sv circus is already bordering on unable to maintain its presence. which is why "the cloud" and so forth.
10:18 ascii_butugychag most folks who ever lived, happily lived and died within a few metres of the the ground. but fall out of just one airplane...
10:19 ascii_butugychag splat is a thing
10:19 mircea_popescu they won't be able to keep on supplying themselves with computers capable to make "fair" unicode.
10:19 mircea_popescu i suspect they won't wish to live in the alternate world.
10:19 mircea_popescu and so...
10:19 ascii_butugychag they recently switched to meat compilers
10:20 mircea_popescu does this actually coallesce into a point or not yet ?
10:20 ascii_butugychag well it calls to mind the 'death of the middle' thread
10:20 ascii_butugychag there isn't really a collapse scenario where z80 remains
10:20 mircea_popescu the middle died long ago. my idea is that one of the horns is headed for a major splat, and well... it likes to think there's not another horn. fortunately this is not so.
10:20 mircea_popescu and why not ?
10:23 ascii_butugychag not so much of a difference in tech level required b/w z80 and pen
10:23 ascii_butugychag (pentium)
10:23 mircea_popescu tbh, i had originally written pentium i and then cancelled it out.
10:24 mircea_popescu understand, the problem hre is not of "available technology". the technology stays avaiolable throughout.
10:24 mircea_popescu crisis is, by and large, a process in the heads of the people.
10:24 ascii_butugychag 'available' is complicated
10:24 mircea_popescu it's the essential item of "what's worth". do you recall the kid that got a truck for his birthday ?
10:24 ascii_butugychag were roman baths 'available' in 900 ad ?
10:25 ascii_butugychag hm?
10:25 mircea_popescu lemme fish it out
10:26 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRWjN6aRDEU
10:26 assbot New Truck for Dumb Kid - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpjk3o )
10:27 mircea_popescu the truck is available. but it IS NOT WORTH IT. and besides... all the other kids will laugh at him.
10:27 mircea_popescu you see... it's not a problem that there won't be infrastructure available. it'll just "not be worth using". what, it can't even unicode in colors ?
10:27 ascii_butugychag ah that
10:28 mircea_popescu yes that.
10:28 ascii_butugychag i still see a 2-layered enemy
10:28 mircea_popescu lemme fish out the conversation with this worthless dumbass, it is apropos.
10:28 ascii_butugychag where you have the emoji l0ltr0nicists
10:28 ascii_butugychag and the actual working folk
10:29 ascii_butugychag ft meade will not close down on account of emoji.
10:32 mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/3FPNGB5 < there you go.
10:32 assbot dpaste: 3FPNGB5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKpmQg )
10:33 mircea_popescu if she had to repay all her debts (and forget the financial angle - if she had to do all the work to count as educated at the level of education she perceives herself to occupy, manifest inability to think or even spell be damned) she'd simply figure "life is not worht living" and lie in a ditch to die.
10:34 mircea_popescu and there is no special ft meade. we're the only special interest that exists. otherwise, ft meade still has to hire from the emoji, and it does.
10:34 mircea_popescu as a result it ends up embarassed by charlotte manning or w/e that was.
10:35 ascii_butugychag operational garbage gets 'embarrassed', yes, hires from emoji. -- but cryptographers ?
10:35 ascii_butugychag silicon diddlers ?
10:35 ascii_butugychag mno.
10:35 mircea_popescu i'm unpersuaded.
10:36 mircea_popescu for one thing, what you're proposing is patently NOT FAIR.
10:36 ascii_butugychag wai wut
10:36 mircea_popescu and as such, a subclass of "so just stop using the damned colored unicode bs". not gonna happen.
10:36 mircea_popescu because if you can you must and because zero one infinity, and so therefore, life's not worth living.
10:36 ascii_butugychag what i propose is that the cheap shed skin of the snake, is not the snake.
10:37 mircea_popescu no government can ever be as complex as a snake.
10:37 mircea_popescu the most it can achieve is dogvomit.
10:37 mircea_popescu wherein there is some rudimentary sensation and motility as an aggregate.
10:38 mircea_popescu (fuligo septica, the slime mold)
10:40 ascii_butugychag as a whole - yes
10:41 jurov mircea_popescu: i don't get the premise, you're able to grep gigabyte in 2s on z80?
10:42 ascii_butugychag on N z80.
10:42 mircea_popescu jurov no, the point is that what i need the things to do, they do well and i have space to spare (heck, i went for breakfast, figuring it'll take minutes. it would have been fine if it did). meanwhile what THEY need to do, the machines already can't cope with.
10:42 mircea_popescu so there's a major differential, which colors the discussion.
10:45 mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag> as a whole - yes <<< and as individuals, refer to http://qntra.net/2015/12/sound-money-everything-else-you-got/
10:45 assbot Sound Money > Everything Else You Got | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKqaEI )
10:45 jurov obv yes, you can run the job during breakfast, but bitcoin can't do it with blocks
10:46 mircea_popescu jurov i wanted to detach the mining discussion from this discussion, because it is unrelated.
10:46 mircea_popescu so detached : bitcoin mining still has to follow the rules. consequently, how much power goes into it in absolute terms is irrelevant.
10:46 jurov so you say that since you don't need custom silicon, the problem does not exist?
10:47 mircea_popescu the only thing that matters is the relative terms, ie, relative of total available. this makes the whole line moot, yes it'll be 50%+1 in all worlds, whether powered by pen on paper or star-sized megacomps.
10:47 mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag
10:47 jurov !up ascii_butugychag
10:48 jurov i was talking about blocks/transaction verification, not mining either
10:49 ascii_butugychag fact is, you can't z80-mine on a planet with asic miners, etc
10:49 jurov even without it, can z80 verify block in 10mins at all?
10:49 mircea_popescu yes, but this doesn't matter : on a planet with z80s you can mine with z80s, and on a planet with asics the asics that mine STILL have to mine.
10:50 mircea_popescu so they'll be 1hr blocks, what difference does it make ?
10:50 ascii_butugychag did martians land and confiscate the asics while i slept ?
10:50 jurov ^
10:50 mircea_popescu not afaik.
10:51 jurov the scenario "we will plod on z80 with 1 block/hr" calls for all of the existing hw to become suddenly unsuitable for mining
10:52 jurov mircea_popescu: you predict this will be the case?
10:52 mircea_popescu this is not what's being discussed.
10:52 mircea_popescu but anyway : if it gets so bad that no further chips can in fact be manufactured at some point, then yes over time existing hw will become unusable. maybe a few decades tops.
10:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41688 @ 0.00051957 = 21.6598 BTC [-]
10:53 mircea_popescu the point however is not this. the point is that... hm, how should it put it so it clicks. looky here : usgavin and his merry cattle troop were not ranting about moore's law for no cause, early on. they represent not some people, not some institutions, but some beliefs and a way of life. a culture.
10:54 mircea_popescu that culture depends on, and knows it depends on, a specific sort of infalted delivery of hardware.
10:54 mircea_popescu that i crushed them like worms last year doesn't JUST mean i now have gavin's head and yet another painful humiliation inflicted upon usg's asshole.
10:54 mircea_popescu it means a lot more than that. this fork will come stab them in the eye again and again AND AGAIN.
10:55 mircea_popescu no more moore's law means no colored unicode emoji just like it means no "big blocks"
10:55 ascii_butugychag in '90s folks predicted death of microshit for same reason.
10:55 ascii_butugychag still waiting.
10:55 mircea_popescu that microshit did die, notably.
10:55 mircea_popescu much like walmart died and became the dept of ebt.
10:56 mircea_popescu but yes : the policy of socialist government is to keep rolling up its failures. until it hits a hard limit.
10:56 ascii_butugychag i would like, possibly more than most, to live in z80 planet.
10:56 mircea_popescu this thing we're discussing here is such a hard limit.
10:56 jurov what thing?
10:56 ascii_butugychag but it won't come back, any more than piston engined fighter airplane
10:56 mircea_popescu the point, mind you, isn't even a "z80" planet. and yes i think that extremely unlikely.
10:57 mircea_popescu the point is that we need computing power to increase logarithmically and they need computing power to increase exponentially.
10:57 mircea_popescu this difference has already chosen winners and losers.
10:57 mircea_popescu i can do the grepping i do on computers as they are. and if they'll be twice as fast i won't notice. like i've not noticed any improvement since the 90s.
10:58 mircea_popescu THEY however, with their needs to compensate for absent intelligence through the deployment of computing hardware, DO need the shit to "improve".
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10:59 ascii_butugychag yes, at some point they will have to stop using progressively-dumber 'coderz'
10:59 ascii_butugychag but what of it
10:59 mircea_popescu this is not an available option.
10:59 mircea_popescu the coderz are getting progressively dumber as an unavoidable necessity.
11:00 mircea_popescu you're saying "at some point they'll have to stop marrying progressively more annoying lazy bitches"
11:00 mircea_popescu this is not something they can do.
11:00 mircea_popescu for as long as you're committed to not beating the woman, the necessary result is a vicious circle of ever more annoying, lazy bitches.
11:01 ascii_butugychag already they began the 'deskilling'
11:01 ascii_butugychag (replacing machine operations with meat)
11:01 mircea_popescu won't hold.
11:01 ascii_butugychag java, for instance, was a major step in this direction
11:01 ascii_butugychag as was the www shitstack
11:01 mircea_popescu meat is notoriously NOT exponentialable.
11:01 mircea_popescu so this is a retreat not any sort of step forward.
11:01 ascii_butugychag but can be linearly stacked.
11:02 mircea_popescu linear doesn't help here.
11:02 mircea_popescu what the "democratic" socialism needs is exponential. hence its love of "science".
11:02 ascii_butugychag i don't see why it needs exponential
11:02 mircea_popescu you recall my explanation as to why any socialism is always and necessarilyt going to be unsatisfactory to the ruled mass ?
11:03 ascii_butugychag because -ev ?
11:03 mircea_popescu nope.
11:03 ascii_butugychag hm
11:03 ascii_butugychag then why
11:06 mircea_popescu there are two items here. item I : http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-61.0-65.800
11:06 assbot The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mvbDyS )
11:06 mircea_popescu item ii : for very good evolutionary reasons, a geometric increase in stimulus is required for a mere linear increase in sensation.
11:07 mircea_popescu these two work together to produce a very unhappy populace even in the ideal case socialism.
11:07 ascii_butugychag mega-paste btw
11:08 mircea_popescu heh.
11:09 ascii_butugychag the specimen is typical ?
11:09 mircea_popescu of her class, yes.
11:10 mircea_popescu this is what "civilisation" misunderstood as no beatings and overgenerous welfare (such as school loans, and such as alimony, and so on) has created.
11:11 ascii_butugychag did it create it, or just pipe it to where you can smell it ??
11:12 mircea_popescu i'm satisfied that it created it.
11:13 mircea_popescu the marked similarities with the legal notion and cultural mores of the decaying roman empire, and the strict disjunction from the legal notions and cultural mores of the flourishing roman early republic, or the other republics avaialble gives the story away.
11:13 mircea_popescu this is the situation of proletarians moved into kulak dwellings, heating themselves with the imported french furniture.
11:13 mircea_popescu "civilisation" of oxyurs and mites.
11:14 ascii_butugychag now this, yes
11:16 mircea_popescu that aside, men have been feeding women since before hammurabi. but, much like the matter of charity, structural differences make the difference.
11:16 ascii_butugychag 'you are last' << wat's that mean
11:16 mircea_popescu hm ?
11:16 ascii_butugychag from paste
11:17 mircea_popescu heh i dunno, the sound of derp having an aneurism.
11:17 mircea_popescu and honestly, i blame you dumb fucks. that dumbass lived her entire life without anyone ever telling her what her place in the world is, i'm ready to bet. it's a shameful fucking situation.
11:18 mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag
11:18 mircea_popescu see something like that, say something like that for crying out loud. how the fuck are they to know when they're out of line if you never tell 'em ?
11:19 * ascii_butugychag drives past 'see sumthing say sumthing' billboard every day. usually it has a very cute, furry demon pictured
11:19 mircea_popescu heh
11:20 ascii_butugychag actually latest one has a big eye with arms, legs, holding magnifying glass
11:21 ascii_butugychag and mircea_popescu may be confusing 'is' and 'ought' - the woman's place-in-the-world is something quite like titled nobility, as it is
11:21 mircea_popescu i never saw this.
11:21 ascii_butugychag naturally. we all look like ants from the porthole of mircea_popescu's atomic dirigible
11:22 mircea_popescu what can i say.
11:23 mircea_popescu there seems to be a pervasive meta-conviction that so and so, but i have never yet encountered the thing it purports as a practical matter. as best i can determine it's just another fashion, self-induced. people have read "on the internet" that the government hid elvis in hoffa's urinary tract and so now "everyone thinks so".
11:24 mircea_popescu pasted material being point in case, the woman "just knows" that i'm not attractive, notwithstanding that i'm willing to bet that's the most popular profile on the entire site, and what the fuck would she know about what gets teeny sluts hot anyway ?!
11:24 mircea_popescu not like she's fucking any.
11:25 ascii_butugychag she 'knows' in the same sense priest 'knows' sinner is hell-bound
11:25 mircea_popescu yeah well... good luck and all that, but it seems i'm discussing the is and she the ought.
11:26 mircea_popescu i have no doubt that yes, if we wish for her heavily indebted persona to be evenr marginally sustainable then yeah, i OUGHT to be unattractive etc.
11:27 mircea_popescu the only problem is that supplied with the choice of "enforce this hag's worldview" or "enforce mp's worldview", young women tend to prefer the latter.
11:27 mircea_popescu and what's worse, they tend to prefer the latter disproportionately by quality.
11:27 mircea_popescu !up thestringpuller
11:28 mircea_popescu no idea why this'd be surprising really.
11:28 thestringpuller so 2 bitcoin "companies" believe miners control bitcoin......
11:29 thestringpuller USG is doing the disinformation thing in Bitcoin
11:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9462 @ 0.00051957 = 4.9162 BTC [-]
11:33 copypaste are those companies VC funded?
11:33 copypaste if the best fiat can buy is such a poor understanding of bitcoin, we really have nothing to worry about
11:35 mircea_popescu well... teh pr machine's looking for some hook on this slippery eel.
11:35 copypaste also, mircea_popescu, if i may ask you what you think of the end of the Merchant of Venice, in this article http://trilema.com/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws you quote a good portion of it, but skip the end of the proceedings where the out of town lawyer is invited in and (nonsensically, in a deus ex machina way, in my opinion) determines that blood is not part of one's flesh and therefore the
11:35 assbot The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG4vJb )
11:35 copypaste contract is unenforceable and goes on to seize all of the merchant's money or however it goes
11:36 copypaste i just found it odd how you skipped the end is all
11:36 mircea_popescu copypaste i think it's nonsensical pandering and not really worth the mention.
11:37 copypaste so we're in agreement then, even Shakespeare, one of the so called greats, pandered often in his plays for "widespread appeal"
11:37 mircea_popescu guy had to do a travesti because that's what a comedy was at the time. the situation of true romance is very similar : compare tarantino's own cut with the bullshit the studio released.
11:37 copypaste good to know, thank you
11:37 mircea_popescu shakespeare is difficult to match in many ways, chief among which his inclination to pander.
11:37 copypaste hehehe
11:37 mircea_popescu he's an utter slut. i don't believe this detracts.
11:38 copypaste oh no, up until that point it was an excellent metaphor, i understand why you left it where you did
11:39 ascii_butugychag meanwhile... 'Spurious check failures happen for machines without ECC memory. Of our test systems, all machines with Intel CPUs as well as some AMD low-end systems lack ECC. This is a result of that AMD supports ECC generally while Intel only supports ECC for Xeon CPUs relying on more expensive motherboards. But the GMP project is struggling to afford even the cheapest hardware.'
11:39 ascii_butugychag and: 'We recently added testing with clang, which resulted in lots of new failures. These are not caused by GMP bugs, but rather by clang bugs, or on some case by compatibility problems between GCC and clang (the latter claims to be GCC and thereby is assumed to be compatible). It is in most cases not possible for the GMP team to resolve this situation. For now, avoid clang if you care about correctness.'
11:39 ascii_butugychag (from https://gmplib.org/devel/tm-date.html where else)
11:39 assbot GMP testing status ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG4HZ0 )
11:40 mircea_popescu no i mean, i don't believe shakespeare's loose mores detracts from his literary value.
11:41 mircea_popescu bwahahah what!
11:41 ascii_butugychag yes.
11:41 copypaste clang claims to be gcc? the things people do for "compatibility"
11:42 ascii_butugychag copypaste: apple ships boxes where gcc is symlinked to clang
11:42 ascii_butugychag afaik nowhere else.
11:42 copypaste apple also ships boxes where the batteries cannot be removed and where in less free countries using the box as a general purpose computer is illegal
11:43 ascii_butugychag now that's sop in winblowzland also.
11:43 copypaste depending on the manufacturer
11:44 ascii_butugychag and afaik they don't sell any where it is epoxied in, you can unscrew the case and remove all you like
11:44 mircea_popescu using the box as a general purpose computer is illegal << what ?
11:44 copypaste i was talking about iphones :D
11:44 copypaste it's a box, just a smaller one
11:44 mircea_popescu so how is it illegal to use your iphone as a fucking doorstop if that's what you want.
11:45 ascii_butugychag i don't think anybody here gives half a fuck re: ipNohe
11:45 copypaste mircea_popescu: to use an iphone as a GPC, you first have to jailbreak it; which requires reverse engineering, which requires breaking the USG DMCA anti-circumvention law
11:45 copypaste note how i qualified that based on the country you are in determines the legality
11:45 * mircea_popescu shrugs
11:46 mircea_popescu i'm unfamiliar with any jurisdiction where i'd give a shit.
11:46 ascii_butugychag at any rate i can't see how this relates, nobody compiles on motherfucking phone
11:47 ascii_butugychag not any more than ~compiles on~ nintendo.
11:47 mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag for my curiosity, what's the desktop equivalent of the shits, do you happen to know ?
11:47 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: which shits
11:47 mircea_popescu iphones.
11:47 ascii_butugychag ipad ?
11:47 ascii_butugychag or perhaps super-ipad
11:47 ascii_butugychag (recent product)
11:47 mircea_popescu uh.
11:47 copypaste you could run linux on the Nintendo DS
11:47 ascii_butugychag copypaste: go, run.
11:47 * mircea_popescu withdraws his misshod question.
11:48 ascii_butugychag i have netbsd running on, what, a dead squirrel in a cardboard box maybe, somewhere.
11:48 ascii_butugychag what of this.
11:48 copypaste and "nobody" does do it because apple both makes it difficult and it makes no economic sense, an iphone is essentially a rasberry pi with a screen and so on - small computers have their uses
11:48 copypaste but it can still be done, you can compile GCC on an iphone after jailbreaking it
11:48 copypaste or GMP, or whatever you'd like
11:49 copypaste bitcoin foundation core even
11:52 mircea_popescu copypaste small computers may have their uses, but 70% of the iphone is the touch sensitive screen, if you'rer going to spend the money might as well put more % of it towards buying thew actual small computer you wanted.
11:52 copypaste sure, but perhaps you wanted a screen to give it input
11:53 mircea_popescu yes, or perhaps i wanted a cow mounted on my kitchen wall to give me milk.
11:53 copypaste sounds good to me
11:53 copypaste :)
11:53 copypaste in india the cow is sacred after all - that's every indian nobleman's dream
11:53 copypaste a cow to lick his dick and another cow to marry
11:54 copypaste perhaps the same cow
11:54 mircea_popescu i've never been to india.
11:55 copypaste neither have i - but i read a news report where they killed a muslim because he ate beef
11:55 copypaste http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/16/indian-muslim-accused-beef-smuggling-beaten-to-death
11:55 assbot Indian Muslim accused of beef smuggling beaten to death | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG5ER6 )
11:57 mircea_popescu in a country where human herd stampedes regularly kills hundreds, any death reports with finer granularity are irrelevant anyway.
12:03 copypaste lol https://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-western-myth-of-bitcoin-in-kenya
12:03 assbot The Western Myth of Bitcoin in Kenya | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG6cpW )
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12:23 * mircea_popescu realises with unmitigated horror that now he's going to have to rewrite the fucking merchant of venice
12:23 mircea_popescu curse you copypaste
12:26 mircea_popescu ""People want to hear about how bitcoin can help fight poverty. Talking about how some guy is getting rich? The audience in the West is not really interested in that." heh, the audience of Taylillevi5's might not wish to know about it. but they are fucking irrelevant to any discussion of anything whatsoever.
12:27 copypaste :D
12:27 copypaste mircea_popescu: no one ever said that rewriting history would be easy, mind
12:27 mircea_popescu motherfucker
12:28 mircea_popescu at any rate, history dun even enter into it. the thing's broken for no good reason.
12:28 copypaste and further - i've read your essays about dead books, you can simply put the merchant onto the trash heap. although i'd rather it not be placed there
12:29 copypaste indeed it is, but if anyone is capable of fixing it it's you
12:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.0005141 = 5.3981 BTC [-] {2}
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13:24 punkman !up Dava
13:26 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/M9IaYyP.png
13:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6JcOc )
13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00051411 = 10.0766 BTC [+]
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14:06 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
14:06 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 433.03, vol: 5037.66858564 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 431.998, vol: 5548.41418 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.53, vol: 15716.99348106 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 439.99, vol: 0.09825727 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 434.1069, vol: 38363.77280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.0101, vol: 47.90695399 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 432.3389, vol: 81.99687675 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
14:08 BingoBoingo ;;more
14:08 gribble 433.214508283
14:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42760 @ 0.00051809 = 22.1535 BTC [+] {4}
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14:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00051197 = 26.5712 BTC [-] {3}
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15:20 deedbot- [Qntra] Radeon Refresh Gets Shrink To 14 nm - http://qntra.net/2016/01/radeon-refresh-gets-shrink-to-14-nm/
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15:41 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1359960 << lol lemme guess, these kids think 'pollution' is carbon but nox is just 'inconvenient' ? either way, kinda funny how non-oil freight shipping is in trouble atm and the 'evil carbon' payloads are the only profitable cargo.
15:41 assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 07:46:16; punkman: "Confidential data from maritime industry insiders based on engine size and the quality of fuel typically used by ships and cars shows that just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars." << and the warmingtards are worried about VW
15:48 pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1172/washington-redskins-will-win-more-2015-season-games/#c5483 << dayum. the injuns pulled it off.
15:48 assbot BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No | closed 20 hours 48 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1INh461 )
15:50 pete_dushenski !up thestringpuller
15:55 thestringpuller I'm convinced all news right now is just idiots derping.
15:55 pete_dushenski (except qntra)
15:56 thestringpuller I find it hard to find something to Qntra cause news i find is just derps derpin' around
15:56 thestringpuller Like Coinbase complaining
15:56 thestringpuller or Bitpay complaining
15:57 pete_dushenski what are you reading ? reddit ?
15:57 BingoBoingo Speaking of... Anybody know what's going on with Junk Bonds right now and how it means the fiat order is doomed?
15:57 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: news.google.com
15:57 pete_dushenski l0l like that's different ?
15:58 pete_dushenski trump's instagram is better than that
15:58 mircea_popescu junk bonds are always noise.
15:59 thestringpuller i thought instagram was invented so rappers could holla at basic white girls who hang out at da club.
15:59 BingoBoingo For some reason they started generating a lot of noise this weekend. Bunch of derps yelling BUY and such.
16:02 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: that's why instagram is ~successful~, as least in terms of userbase, which'd be the only metric sv can conceive of
16:02 pete_dushenski though iirc instagram implemented advertising recently ?
16:12 pete_dushenski !up Tomiii
16:13 pete_dushenski you can speak now
16:17 thestringpuller Ugh. I'm so tired.
16:18 pete_dushenski how come ?
16:18 thestringpuller sinus season. also not used to being at a desk for 8 hours again.
16:18 pete_dushenski i thought sinus season was in the spring
16:18 thestringpuller For me its winter and spring.
16:19 thestringpuller Also didn't get to go to microcenter to get a new hard drive for big 'ol blockchain, these tards want to make even bigger.
16:19 * pete_dushenski doesn't have allergies, doesn't get sick since sleep ad libitum
16:20 pete_dushenski tevye at 350`120
16:20 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: why not order hdd online ?
16:21 shinohai "garza.riseup.net" <<<<LOLZ
16:21 pete_dushenski !up thestringpuller
16:22 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: i really wanted to get it working at this LAN party I went to but just bleeeh.
16:22 thestringpuller rotor also blew up in my face on debian wheezy
16:22 thestringpuller and roberto (debian wheezy pointing at jessie packages) blows up still when using bitcoind
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16:22 pete_dushenski jessie works fine
16:22 pete_dushenski (8.0)
16:22 thestringpuller yea
16:22 BingoBoingo no it doesn't
16:23 BingoBoingo systemd
16:23 thestringpuller ^- which is why I still use Wheezy
16:23 shinohai Strange I was running it on wheezy for weeks but that was after I first came here. Been using 8.0 for ~3 months
16:23 thestringpuller jessie uses systemd by default iirc
16:23 thestringpuller the debian community actually split because of it
16:23 thestringpuller there is like devuan now
16:24 pete_dushenski o.O wasn't clear on this bit of history
16:24 shinohai forked
16:25 thestringpuller pretty sure pankakke bailed on #b-a cause of systemd shit-talking
16:26 shinohai systemd is a turd fr though
16:28 thestringpuller Social media is the killer app for bitcoin. << uh huh.
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16:28 thestringpuller As far as I can tell social media is just Xanga on steroids.
16:28 thestringpuller Except now older people use it reverting everyone to a teenage angstified mentality.
16:29 thestringpuller Which is ironic since all of Facebook's investor meetings are focused on some weird vision that Facebook will become the "center of the internet". A vision where you log into Facebook and you consume all internet content from there.
16:35 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360385 <<< ask changetip how well that works for them
16:35 assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 21:28:08; thestringpuller: Social media is the killer app for bitcoin. << uh huh.
16:37 pete_dushenski "Your old school thinking and ways of life are redundant." << bahahah. "we already have that donchaknow!"
16:37 Tomiii thestringpuller: FB already has payments
16:38 pete_dushenski "Self absorbed by a culture that no longer exist in the civilised
16:38 pete_dushenski world." << now this is a point.
16:38 pete_dushenski ^quotes from mp's paste
16:41 thestringpuller Tomiii: Nothing good every came from an FB post. It capitalizes on the demand for stupidity, which apparently the masses love.
16:43 pete_dushenski !up Tomiii
16:43 Tomiii thestringpuller: that sounds pessimistic :P
16:44 thestringpuller Tomiii: I'm just thoroughly convinced social media cannot foster intellectualism.
16:47 Tomiii thestringpuller: Huh? isn't IRC technically "social media" ?
16:49 mircea_popescu this technically isn't irc.
16:50 Tomiii mircea_popescu: why not?
16:50 mircea_popescu how is it that you can speak here, do you know ?
16:51 Tomiii mircea_popescu: i was given voice by the members here
16:51 mircea_popescu see ?
16:56 pete_dushenski !up thestringpuller
16:58 Tomiii so what are the main technical differences between this room, and an invite-ony group-chat on FB, Telegram, etc?
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17:00 punkman FB doesn't have assbot
17:00 thestringpuller or a web of trust
17:01 thestringpuller or relationships based on GPG contracts
17:11 Tomiii Cool, so adding those 3 things to a chatroom, transforms it "not social media. Not IRC."? :)
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17:30 punkman !up Tomiii
17:33 Tomiii sorry, i didn't mean to offend anyone-- I'm just more of an optimist. E.g. i try to teach friends about Linux, bitcoin, encryption, etc
17:35 BingoBoingo You may atone for your sins by pledging allegiance to #VanillaISIS
17:37 shinohai Allah Snackbar
17:41 trinque Tomiii: social media is a matter of contriving a reason for people to "interact" on a given site for the sole purpose of feeding them advertising.
17:42 davout and #b-a is all about propaganda, not advertising, so: not social media
17:43 phf i thought this place is an elaborate mpex ad?
17:44 shinohai I though it was a terrorist recruitment centre. That's why I came here :/
17:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45906 @ 0.00051042 = 23.4313 BTC [-] {3}
17:47 deedbot- [Qntra] Candidates In US Denouce Oregon Liberators - http://qntra.net/2016/01/candidates-in-us-denouce-oregon-liberators/
17:47 BingoBoingo Speaking of propaganda
17:50 Tomiii trinque: i agree with what ur saying; i just try to be more positive about it. Like, show people alternatives to FB, like IRC. https://prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux/#social-networks https://www.privacytools.io/#social
17:50 assbot GNU/Linux - Platforms - PRISM Break ... ( http://bit.ly/1VCPVo5 )
17:50 assbot privacy tools - encryption against global mass surveillance 🔒 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VCPYjM )
17:51 trinque BingoBoingo: "the actual can" *they
17:52 BingoBoingo fxd
17:52 davout Tomiii: IRC, an alternative to facebook?
17:53 Tomiii davout: yes, like trinque said: IRC isn't invented for "the sole purpose of feeding advertising"
17:54 davout IRC doesn't have "likes", "shares" etc. is what I mean
17:55 trinque Tomiii: the fundamental difference was pointed out to you already
17:55 trinque facebook spews "everyone should have a voice"
17:57 davout trinque: how plain IRC works too tho
17:58 trinque I was contrasting with #b-a, but yes
17:59 BingoBoingo title also fxd
18:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80190 @ 0.00050975 = 40.8769 BTC [-] {4}
18:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38786 @ 0.00050798 = 19.7025 BTC [-]
18:08 phf in "social media" the mechanism of mediation is entirely controlled by platform owners. nothing even remotely similar could be produced on top of facebook, because it would get snuffed in its infancy, with undesirable behaviors eliminated through technical or policy changes.
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18:15 phf b-a on the other hand relies on the fact that we control the subtrate, and can defend it sufficiently. the log, blogs and services are hosted on own machines, developed to own requirements to reflect an evolving set of ideas of how this place is supposed to run.
18:15 phf see for example http://trilema.com/2014/the-forum-and-its-implementation/, http://trilema.com/2015/time-to-rehash-that-old-strategic-superiority-discussion/, http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/
18:15 assbot Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VCUjU9 )
18:15 assbot Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VCUleN )
18:15 assbot GPG contracts on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VCUkaC )
18:18 phf with some effort and towards certain purpose you could host aspects of b-a on top of say a private facebook group (see recent stenography thread), but the illusion that something like b-a already exists there is what gives facebook pretense to relevance.
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18:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00051288 = 11.6167 BTC [+] {2}
18:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48126 @ 0.00050612 = 24.3575 BTC [-] {3}
18:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47550 @ 0.00050278 = 23.9072 BTC [-] {3}
18:41 BingoBoingo ;;isup qntra.net
18:41 gribble qntra.net is up
18:41 BingoBoingo Ah, just slow.
18:54 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360370 << again folks with 'blows up' but no error logz nor any meaningful data that would let me shit forth magical answer re: ~why~
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18:54 assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 21:22:32; thestringpuller: and roberto (debian wheezy pointing at jessie packages) blows up still when using bitcoind
18:56 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360444 << steganography
18:56 assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 23:18:07; phf: with some effort and towards certain purpose you could host aspects of b-a on top of say a private facebook group (see recent stenography thread), but the illusion that something like b-a already exists there is what gives facebook pretense to relevance.
18:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3966 @ 0.00050274 = 1.9939 BTC [-]
19:01 phf ow, perhaps i could pretend like it's related to the thread about monks transcribing the log
19:01 asciilifeform l0l
19:02 BingoBoingo Only if one is a steganosaurus
19:03 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b24
19:03 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b19
19:03 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b21
19:05 kakobrekla btw asciilifeform no news re gpg eh? want my bin?
19:05 asciilifeform kakobrekla: yes plz
19:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53950 @ 0.00050276 = 27.1239 BTC [+] {4}
19:09 kakobrekla http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/tmp/gpg
19:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGOzGw )
19:10 kakobrekla shasum /usr/bin/gpg
19:10 kakobrekla bf1febc004b617ea54a9af12605aec442db2d1a0 /usr/bin/gpg
19:11 asciilifeform ty kakobrekla
19:11 kakobrekla hope it does any good
19:12 asciilifeform kakobrekla: did you post the pubkey you currently have for me ?
19:12 * asciilifeform digs in logz
19:13 kakobrekla i did, but it seems it expired
19:17 asciilifeform kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/1693QAX
19:17 assbot dpaste: 1693QAX ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwJQ0S )
19:17 asciilifeform this verifies with your binary
19:18 asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/06E5549 << exported pubk
19:18 assbot dpaste: 06E5549 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwKdsn )
19:18 asciilifeform so what gives ?
19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050905 = 8.552 BTC [+] {3}
19:21 asciilifeform verifies under clean .gpg on test box also
19:21 asciilifeform so it isn't a keychain boojum
19:21 asciilifeform i can only conclude that the problem exists on kakobrekla's side (gpg config?)
19:25 kakobrekla foobar now verifies btw
19:25 asciilifeform now that's odd.
19:26 kakobrekla i havent touched a thing.
19:26 asciilifeform pubkey same as the one you had earlier ?
19:26 kakobrekla cant be sure, didnt save a copy
19:27 kakobrekla :\
19:27 asciilifeform eh.
19:27 kakobrekla the copy - expired
19:27 kakobrekla try uping ?
19:27 asciilifeform assbot still fails !
19:27 kakobrekla whut.
19:27 asciilifeform aha
19:28 kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/3TH7E2K.txt current
19:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwMfbZ )
19:30 asciilifeform foobar verifies on my test box using kakobrekla's gpg binary and using this pubkey.
19:30 asciilifeform using clean keyring.
19:31 asciilifeform though, interestingly, importing the 3TH7E2K.txt yields a warning, 'gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found'
19:32 asciilifeform while using the key i pasted earlier (exported directly from my pgptron) does not.
19:32 asciilifeform so it would appear that sks has done something peculiar to my pubkey.
19:32 BingoBoingo mice?
19:35 asciilifeform fleas.
19:36 kakobrekla i should add some logging to key updating
19:37 kakobrekla but nevertheless currently working verification is odd
19:37 kakobrekla i dunno whats up with assbot tho
19:37 kakobrekla will check that out
19:37 asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/0DKPGAT << good; http://dpaste.com/1KG1EAY << evil (sks)
19:37 assbot dpaste: 0DKPGAT ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwOnjS )
19:37 assbot dpaste: 1KG1EAY ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwOnk3 )
19:37 asciilifeform ^ pgpdump -i
19:46 kakobrekla --encrypt --armor -r 01ABFFC7
19:46 kakobrekla gpg: 01ABFFC7: skipped: unusable public key
19:46 kakobrekla gpg: [stdin]: encryption failed: unusable public key
19:47 kakobrekla thats why assbot still fails.
19:47 asciilifeform -r loads from sks ?
19:47 kakobrekla does it?
19:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17608 @ 0.00051223 = 9.0193 BTC [+]
19:49 asciilifeform '-r, --recipient NAME encrypt for NAME' << nah
19:49 asciilifeform just specifies fp
19:49 asciilifeform of dest key
19:50 kakobrekla anyway, works for other keys in keyring
19:50 kakobrekla just not yours.
19:51 kakobrekla try it with my bin on your end?
19:51 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc << updated, because sks must die
19:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwR9Wt )
19:52 asciilifeform ok now same result
19:52 asciilifeform with EITHER key
19:52 kakobrekla interesting
19:52 asciilifeform wtf.
19:52 kakobrekla my version only?
19:54 asciilifeform apparently same with 1.4.10 on test box (clean keychain)
19:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15418 @ 0.00051223 = 7.8976 BTC [+]
19:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2282 @ 0.00051289 = 1.1704 BTC [+]
20:02 kakobrekla dunno
20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.0005107 = 10.6481 BTC [-] {2}
20:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00051288 = 4.3082 BTC [+] {2}
20:14 asciilifeform updated date on subkey
20:14 asciilifeform and now i get http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/61705
20:14 assbot encrypting to a user, "There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user" | GnuPG | users ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7qHsZ )
20:14 asciilifeform 'There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user'
20:14 asciilifeform when encrypting to this key
20:17 asciilifeform same behaviour with 1.4.10 and 1.4.12.
20:18 kakobrekla shall i update keyring now?
20:18 asciilifeform not uploaded yet
20:18 asciilifeform because i did not have this problem before !
20:19 asciilifeform gpg won't allow the key to be signed again, either, because 'was already signed'
20:19 asciilifeform i would like to personally shit on the grave of the author.
20:21 kakobrekla its only gonna get worse
20:22 BingoBoingo never too early to start stockpiling graveshit http://chadperson.com/recess/images/bucket_toilet.JPG
20:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7roCT )
20:23 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc << updated
20:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwR9Wt )
20:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49866 @ 0.00051069 = 25.4661 BTC [-] {2}
20:25 kakobrekla gpg: key 01ABFFC7: "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>" 2 new signatures
20:25 kakobrekla gpg: Total number processed: 1
20:25 kakobrekla gpg: new signatures: 2
20:25 kakobrekla try assbot
20:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00051406 = 10.4611 BTC [+] {2}
20:26 kakobrekla k
20:26 asciilifeform ty kakobrekla
20:26 kakobrekla bunch mumbo jumbo always worx
20:28 BingoBoingo Seriously though, seems like time to stock up on 5 gallon buckets and ass to bucket adapter to have shit ready for when graves happen.
20:29 asciilifeform subkeys are pure, unadulterated retardation
20:29 asciilifeform (see, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-09-2015#1284618 )
20:29 assbot Logged on 24-09-2015 06:18:08; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head."
20:29 asciilifeform and other threadz
20:31 kakobrekla didnt a few ba folks write gpg tutorials including subkey handling not 2 years ago
20:34 asciilifeform possibly
20:35 asciilifeform but everybody (with the apparent sole exception of asciilifeform) is doing the whole 'no expire date' thing
20:35 BingoBoingo I don't think I covered any thing about the subkeys in mine. One of the things passed around before that LOVED subkeys.
20:35 BingoBoingo A subkey for every device that might be captured it advocated
20:35 kakobrekla asciilifeform that or get kicked out of mpex
20:35 asciilifeform subkey is one of those things that could be a useful idea IF IT WORKED and WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED BY IDIOT
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20:36 asciilifeform kakobrekla: my understanding was that mpex users kept a separate, unpublished pubkey just for it
20:36 kakobrekla some perhaps do.
20:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360407 << it's... not on FB. or on "Telegram". i'm feeling all babbage-like over here.
20:37 assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 21:58:41; Tomiii: so what are the main technical differences between this room, and an invite-ony group-chat on FB, Telegram, etc?
20:37 asciilifeform my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with !
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20:37 asciilifeform anyone recall how mircea_popescu spewed chunks when i pointed out that he's been signing with a subkey and not with the magical modulus ?
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20:37 asciilifeform (the one on the tits)
20:38 mircea_popescu "subkey" belongs exactly in the same pile "expiration date" belongs in
20:38 mircea_popescu they're "your picture"
20:38 asciilifeform it will all go to same pyre.
20:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36849 @ 0.00051089 = 18.8258 BTC [-] {2}
20:38 asciilifeform but presently it is plugged in and quite annoying
20:38 mircea_popescu but yes - i would have loved to be a bff of gpg. instead we're just best enemies.
20:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12289 @ 0.00050524 = 6.2089 BTC [-] {3}
20:39 asciilifeform the sin, it turns out, was a mortal one, and there from the very beginning:
20:39 asciilifeform it is in the attempt to divorce the abstraction of what the user is doing from the actual rsa (moduli)
20:39 mircea_popescu go on ?
20:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360580
20:40 assbot Logged on 05-01-2016 01:37:32; asciilifeform: my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with !
20:40 asciilifeform sorta like the lack of coin control in bitcoin
20:40 asciilifeform (the idiot 'wallet' abstraction)
20:40 asciilifeform same exact idiocy
20:41 mircea_popescu so basically "trying to be a service".
20:41 mircea_popescu fucking brain rot. all these brogrammers have nfi what the point of programming computers even is.
20:41 asciilifeform 'have nfi what the point' would be an ~improvement~
20:41 asciilifeform instead they have a maximally perverse idea
20:41 asciilifeform 'make this usable by monkey'
20:42 asciilifeform but you cannot make even bulldozer 'usable by monkey', much less pgptron
20:42 asciilifeform instead you only end up with monkey who is a danger to self and others.
20:42 kakobrekla and a crappy bulldozer
20:42 mircea_popescu myeah.
20:42 mircea_popescu as phf ironically points out.
20:43 * mircea_popescu is somewhat surprised at how in the log, the deep understanding comes from the newb!
20:44 asciilifeform the other interesting part is that IT LIES
20:44 asciilifeform e.g., the foo bar example,
20:44 asciilifeform 'Key ID - 0xB98228A001ABFFC7'
20:44 asciilifeform but looks like the actual rsa op was carried out WITH THE SUBKEY
20:44 asciilifeform how this was ever tolerated ?
20:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a longstanding bit of C"S" idiocy. somehow the idea of a "painless" subsystem is "a subsystem that lies about being in pain". if organs worked like that we'd be all dead.
20:45 asciilifeform this is a classic case of what mircea_popescu spoke of in the earlier thread - 'illicitly uses thing outside of itself'
20:46 asciilifeform obligatory crackpottery, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=278
20:46 assbot Loper OS » Seventh Law of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnpCSn )
20:46 asciilifeform 'The machine shall never tell a lie to the operator.'
20:47 asciilifeform SHALL NEVER TELL A MOTHERFUCKING LIE to operator !11111
20:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360438 << the more important difference is re : identity. the POINT of social media is to make it possible for entities devoid of identity to seemingly communicate. the point of b-a is to make it fucking impossible for entities devoid of identity to pretend they're communicating.
20:47 assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 23:08:28; phf: in "social media" the mechanism of mediation is entirely controlled by platform owners. nothing even remotely similar could be produced on top of facebook, because it would get snuffed in its infancy, with undesirable behaviors eliminated through technical or policy changes.
20:47 mircea_popescu the former paradigm works well for people without identity. the latter is ideal for people with.
20:48 asciilifeform !s dead souls
20:48 assbot 17 results for 'dead souls' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dead+souls
20:48 mircea_popescu neatly mirroring the dichotomy discussed earlier today, about the group that is trying to use computers to compensate by its members outright lack of intelligence, vs the group that is tryi9ng to use computers to leverage the already present intelligence of its members.
20:48 mircea_popescu !gettrust Tomiii
20:48 assbot Tomiii is not registered in WoT.
20:48 mircea_popescu go fix that noob.
20:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you will note, re "lying", that in my extensive experience 90% of beatings that ever get administered do get administered to a crying, repentful slave that does not believe she was lying.
20:49 mircea_popescu it is exceedingly difficult to not lie if bereft of sane priors.
20:50 mircea_popescu no, that doesn't make lying not lying, but it does make the problem of not lying as an idiot intractable.
20:50 asciilifeform actually it is difficult for machine to lie without having been constructed with malice
20:50 mircea_popescu or stupidity.
20:50 mircea_popescu stupidity is an exceptional proxy for malice.
20:50 asciilifeform normally there is not much space between 'white noise' and 'works'
20:50 mircea_popescu the problem is that complex systems are not obviously normal-izable.
20:50 mircea_popescu hence fractals.
20:51 asciilifeform at any rate, my axiom specifically concerned deliberate untruths
20:51 asciilifeform (as in, intended by the builder)
20:51 mircea_popescu your definition of deliberateness is weak.
20:51 asciilifeform e.g., 'hidden files' in winblowz, etc
20:52 mircea_popescu nope. all programs hide the heap. why does that not qualify ?
20:52 mircea_popescu (ftr that's the fucking definition of the heap : program's own notebook, that it doesn't show you)
20:52 kakobrekla unix has same
20:53 asciilifeform and your gurlz hide their guts
20:53 mircea_popescu quite.
20:53 mircea_popescu you know the first strip tease story ?
20:53 asciilifeform hm?
20:54 mircea_popescu bored eastern ruler, is presented with novel entertainment. girl comes and slowly strips to music.
20:54 mircea_popescu once she's buck naked the music stops and teh guy inquires why the fuck she stopped ? he was having fun!
20:54 mircea_popescu so she's skinned alive.
20:54 asciilifeform reads like a variant of 'i drill my own holez!1111'
20:55 mircea_popescu well... "hiding", you know ? whassat.
20:56 asciilifeform where was it... in koran ??? that had the reminder of 'woman is merely a vessel of guts!111'
20:56 mircea_popescu i just burn 'em, i dun read 'em.
20:57 asciilifeform at any rate, the problem is never abstraction as such, but leaking abstraction.
20:57 asciilifeform as in, woman which has no back side and you put your arms around, and out come the viscera
20:57 mircea_popescu aha.
20:58 * asciilifeform wanders off to pet pet
20:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00050396 = 7.1058 BTC [-] {2}
21:00 mircea_popescu mind the backside@
21:00 mircea_popescu too pokey down there guts may well come out!
21:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00050396 = 6.8287 BTC [-]
21:16 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/hJUcwC8.jpg
21:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZL8WqQ )
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43994 @ 0.00050212 = 22.0903 BTC [-] {2}
21:25 BingoBoingo It's a beached Karpeles https://i.sli.mg/RtTDdp.jpg
21:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZL9rBb )
21:26 kakobrekla dunno if he can afford all that food
21:28 BingoBoingo Well he ate mt gox into collapse
21:31 mats pls no
21:35 ben_vulpes what is the latest and greatest on the oregon thing?
21:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12451 @ 0.00050559 = 6.2951 BTC [+] {2}
21:39 BingoBoingo I've seen no loss of victory since http://qntra.net/2016/01/candidates-in-us-denouce-oregon-liberators/
21:39 assbot Candidates In US Denounce Oregon Liberators | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZLa6CQ )
21:44 mircea_popescu abhababa what the fuck is that.
21:46 BingoBoingo Bunch of presidential candidates not-Trump from USia's other socialist party are denouncing the liberating militia's actions in Oregon
21:46 BingoBoingo TV and talk radio conveniently ignore the Bundy ranch is still successfully defended from Federal forces
21:50 ben_vulpes heh is that so?
21:50 BingoBoingo It seriously is
21:51 BingoBoingo I'm still thinking the Feds are prolly going to channel Janet Reno and Waco the Oregon resistance though.
21:52 BingoBoingo I don't think the derps trending #VanillaISIS realize how close they might actually be to right with that label
21:57 mircea_popescu mno i was stillo on the whale
21:58 BingoBoingo Ah, that's the Plus sized model who is a dead ringer for Karpeles in the face
21:58 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: shit's going to be expensive, and cold.
21:58 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Shit tends to be
21:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i doubt they have the gall.
21:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00050163 = 15.5505 BTC [-] {3}
21:59 mircea_popescu but yes, getting a bunch of kids out there'd definitely help.
22:00 asciilifeform hey doesn't ben_vulpes live close by ?
22:01 mircea_popescu that discussion, tis in the logs.
22:01 asciilifeform or is he not ready for valhalla yet
22:01 * asciilifeform digs in logz
22:03 ben_vulpes dude that is five hours away and i am not seeking valhalla.
22:03 ben_vulpes heh
22:03 ben_vulpes also out of curiousity mircea_popescu would you pay for the babetruxx necessary as well?
22:04 ben_vulpes or would this party planner actually have to recruit gap-teeth dropouts from the surroundings?
22:04 mircea_popescu heh. are you chanlleing indiancandy or something ?
22:05 ben_vulpes so you'll pay for the beer but not for the babes to get to the middle of goddamn nowhere?
22:05 mircea_popescu but in better news : the summer's also coming.
22:05 mircea_popescu and , for that matter, better people are potentially born daily.
22:05 mircea_popescu so at some point...
22:06 asciilifeform hey i thought mircea_popescu told us that nobody born after '90 was fit for so much as stove fuel ??
22:06 mircea_popescu at some point ideally i won't have to pay for anything.
22:06 * ben_vulpes mostly curious to know how mircea_popescu thought this would come off
22:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes but those kinds of trends never last.
22:06 mircea_popescu i have exactly no care in the world for that, ben_vulpes. purposes do not interest me.
22:07 asciilifeform those trends to tend to last for the lives of those seeing them
22:07 asciilifeform *do tend
22:07 mircea_popescu if only.
22:08 mircea_popescu i have in my lyf seen like three of em.
22:09 asciilifeform 3 consecutive ?!! shitgenerations that had to be thrown out ?
22:09 mircea_popescu yeah.
22:10 asciilifeform and 4th, usable, born where, from wolves ?
22:10 ben_vulpes well, /raised/ by wolves.
22:12 mircea_popescu first, there was the generation of tov burtica. [belly-let, commie bugman]. then was the generation of the inteprid "privatizati". and finally the generation of "we belong in the eu and we'll sack this ridiculous derp of a prime minister that survived every turpitude in the book because a club caught fire and some moo-moos died".
22:12 mircea_popescu tis three.
22:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360575 << not even then.
22:14 assbot Logged on 05-01-2016 01:35:56; asciilifeform: subkey is one of those things that could be a useful idea IF IT WORKED and WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED BY IDIOT
22:22 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360029 << fwiw, i generally like the /people/ i met /working/ there.
22:22 assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 14:47:39; ascii_butugychag: quite surprisingly readable.
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00050125 = 10.9774 BTC [-] {2}
22:32 mircea_popescu top search term leading to trilema ? "teenage cunt".
22:32 mircea_popescu da duck is wrong with this interweb!
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12759 @ 0.00050125 = 6.3954 BTC [-]
22:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what didn't you like ?
22:41 asciilifeform in other nyoooz,
22:41 asciilifeform bucephalus is repaired and working.
22:41 asciilifeform (did anyone notice that it was dead for a week+ ?)
22:43 asciilifeform unrelatedly,
22:43 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShzmzcJM7QI
22:43 assbot Japanese Old Animation (1929) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OILaUq )
22:44 asciilifeform ^ instructive fable
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21495 @ 0.00050223 = 10.7954 BTC [+] {2}
22:46 asciilifeform !up okcupiddude
22:47 okcupiddude hello?
22:48 mircea_popescu heya
22:48 mircea_popescu lol.
22:49 mircea_popescu social media, that festival of clicking.
22:49 mircea_popescu hopefully they grow beaks to go with the clucking.
22:56 asciilifeform related, '"The Tengu, and the Woodcutter": A tengu bothers a woodcutter, showing off his supernatural abilities by guessing everything the man is thinking. The woodcutter swings his ax, and a splinter of wood hits the tengu on the nose. The tengu flees in terror, exclaiming that humans are dangerous creatures who can do things without thinking about them.'
22:56 asciilifeform (rng!)
23:07 mircea_popescu hehehe
23:07 mircea_popescu one of the better stories.
23:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00050076 = 17.2261 BTC [-] {4}
23:12 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: good question.
23:13 ben_vulpes but i have a more mundane one for you
23:13 asciilifeform aha?
23:15 ben_vulpes suppose i have a series of voltage readings over time, and i wish to turn these into binary data.
23:15 asciilifeform ...?
23:15 ben_vulpes should i come up with my own hairbrained scheme to do so or ask how best to get entropy out of this rng directly from you?
23:16 asciilifeform buy the kakobreklascope
23:16 asciilifeform comes with convenient usb plug.
23:16 asciilifeform (or similar.)
23:16 ben_vulpes scope i used vastly prefers to shit csvs.
23:17 asciilifeform for the rng experiment in particular, 'bus pirate' (~$20) works just as well as $1k scope
23:17 asciilifeform (small programmable widget, does 1,001 things)
23:19 ben_vulpes neato
~ 15 minutes ~
23:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26784 @ 0.00049773 = 13.3312 BTC [-] {3}
23:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42255 @ 0.00049765 = 21.0282 BTC [-] {2}
23:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10337 @ 0.00050021 = 5.1707 BTC [+] {2}
23:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7043 @ 0.00049764 = 3.5049 BTC [-] {2}
23:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32157 @ 0.00049762 = 16.002 BTC [-]
23:57 mircea_popescu ahhh pork wellington ftw.
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