#trilema | 2016-01-05

... ( http://bit.ly/1Us4jOS )

00:48

the txid d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 is not visible for some block explorers...

00:49

What could I do for this?

00:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00049652 = 10.278 BTC [-]

00:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34964 @ 0.00049835 = 17.4243 BTC [+] {2}

00:55

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/

00:55

BTC Transaction d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1Us5he9 )

00:55

The above site says the fee is 0.001 BTC so I think it is more than enough. Is this related to low/high S value problem?

00:56

<massiro> What could I do for this? << wait it out, basically.

00:56

Mr. mircea, thank you!

00:57

might also try and encourage any dudes running non-conformant bitcoin implementations to come to sanity, but that's a tall order yet.

00:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27520 @ 0.00050419 = 13.8753 BTC [+] {3}

01:08

I have heard only low-S value is permitted since around October 2015, due to the severe tx-malleability attack by amaclin (at bitcointalk). Core devs quickly responded because it is very annoying (original TxIDs will be changed and one might lose the record of incoming payments).

01:14

that position is without any actual merit, and as you can attest it does in fact inconvenience you.

01:14

feel free to tell them so.

01:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46882 @ 0.00050088 = 23.4823 BTC [-] {2}

01:27

http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#comment-35441 << lol BingoBoingo's private jokes ever more obscure

01:27

Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDW97p )

01:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00050213 = 19.2818 BTC [+] {3}

01:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00049998 = 19.1992 BTC [-] {3}

01:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00049652 = 4.3197 BTC [-] {2}

01:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7869 @ 0.00049652 = 3.9071 BTC [-]

01:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00049648 = 13.8518 BTC [-] {2}

02:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4084 @ 0.00049861 = 2.0363 BTC [+] {2}

02:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29916 @ 0.00049775 = 14.8907 BTC [-]

02:18

[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] 7 lessons for hitting the broad side of a barn with your professional resume (curriculum vitae). - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/05/7-lessons-for-hitting-the-broad-side-of-a-barn-with-your-professional-resume-curriculum-vitae/

02:30

"Use a professional e-mail address. “luvbunnie69@hotmail.com” or “buzzlightyear2infinitynbeyond@yahoomail.co.uk” just doesn’t cut the mustard." << meh, I really wouldn't care about that. having your own domain instead of gmail is a nice touch though.

~ 16 minutes ~

02:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37889 @ 0.00050236 = 19.0339 BTC [+] {2}

~ 17 minutes ~

03:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00050237 = 13.2877 BTC [+]

~ 45 minutes ~

03:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00049611 = 11.5594 BTC [-] {3}

~ 36 minutes ~

04:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00050332 = 36.39 BTC [+] {3}

04:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8619 @ 0.00050384 = 4.3426 BTC [+] {2}

04:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26181 @ 0.00050422 = 13.201 BTC [+]

04:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27798 @ 0.00050492 = 14.0358 BTC [+] {4}

04:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00049829 = 1.5945 BTC [-] {2}

05:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.0005057 = 10.7208 BTC [+] {3}

~ 16 minutes ~

05:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049857 = 4.7863 BTC [-]

05:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5175 @ 0.00050575 = 2.6173 BTC [+]

05:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13906 @ 0.00050605 = 7.0371 BTC [+]

05:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00050609 = 15.2839 BTC [+]

~ 47 minutes ~

06:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42350 @ 0.00050484 = 21.38 BTC [-] {3}

06:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19184 @ 0.00050391 = 9.667 BTC [-] {2}

06:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12322 @ 0.00050143 = 6.1786 BTC [-] {3}

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07:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00049839 = 7.127 BTC [-] {3}

~ 29 minutes ~

07:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21948 @ 0.0004983 = 10.9367 BTC [-] {2}

07:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11071 @ 0.00049829 = 5.5166 BTC [-]

07:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4416 @ 0.00049829 = 2.2004 BTC [-]

07:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38874 @ 0.00049516 = 19.2488 BTC [-] {4}

08:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38741 @ 0.00049895 = 19.3298 BTC [+] {3}

08:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13452 @ 0.00050091 = 6.7382 BTC [+] {2}

08:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13317 @ 0.0004948 = 6.5893 BTC [-] {3}

08:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2857 @ 0.00049398 = 1.4113 BTC [-]

08:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16343 @ 0.00049831 = 8.1439 BTC [-]

08:39

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360788 << Can't deny the metals desk glory

08:39

Logged on 05-01-2016 06:27:37; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#comment-35441 << lol BingoBoingo's private jokes ever more obscure

08:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00049358 = 3.0602 BTC [-] {3}

08:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00049538 = 4.1364 BTC [+]

09:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91778 @ 0.00049542 = 45.4687 BTC [+] {2}

09:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00050014 = 14.329 BTC [+] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

09:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10986 @ 0.00050258 = 5.5213 BTC [+] {2}

09:42

Apparently mp triggered more people on okc https://archive.is/upmuU

09:42

I’m Overweight…But That Doesn’t Give You The Right To Be Rude! – Horse Junkies United ... ( http://bit.ly/1myHO0t )

09:44

Poor horse

09:53

Could have been so delicious, but instead tortured.

09:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00050567 = 3.2363 BTC [+] {2}

09:59

https://foragerfunds.com/bristlemouth/dick-smith-is-the-greatest-private-equity-heist-of-all-time/

09:59

Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time - Forager Funds ... ( http://bit.ly/1PdrJ6O )

10:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4680 @ 0.00050404 = 2.3589 BTC [-] {2}

10:10

!up ziggs

10:12

!up zigglar

10:12

chanserv is a bad boy

10:12

when do bets payout?

10:13

my guess is soon

10:14

zigglar: They now hold for 48 hours after resolution to check for objections/errors so prolly pay out when a bitbet mod wakes up

10:15

It's been about 96 hours

10:15

Ah

10:15

well, it says after 48hrs and technically 96 is after 48

10:15

^

10:16

lol

10:16

anyway, a shitload of bets closed at new years so give so time to sort them all out

10:17

give them some time*

10:19

Ya makes sense

10:19

Assumed it was automated

10:19

nah, mtgox was automated.

10:20

!b 2

10:20

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1JFY4JY.txt )

10:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00050404 = 7.2078 BTC [-]

10:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78021 @ 0.00050714 = 39.5676 BTC [+] {4}

~ 18 minutes ~

10:44

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zjtkp/does_coinbase_ask_to_see_check_stubs_if_you/cymtv18 << And why would I trust you with my pay stubs? Next thing I know some schmuck in New Mexico is opening credit cards in my name.

10:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00050776 = 20.9197 BTC [+] {3}

11:01

" A penny for an average on-chain transaction is probably too expensive to be competitive. " - Stephen Pair << and this is why your company is dying

11:05

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1314390.0

11:05

Bitcoin Foundation: Where on Earth Did all the Money Go? ... ( http://bit.ly/1myW4Gq )

11:05

Jon Matonis: $137.5k through "THE HOLE OF ROY LLC". Salary up from $31k. Jon Matonis acted as Executive Director up to October 2014.

11:06

wtf that company name

11:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00050356 = 17.2721 BTC [-] {2}

11:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.0005081 = 28.4536 BTC [+] {5}

11:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21982 @ 0.00050915 = 11.1921 BTC [+]

11:24

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360855 <<< top kek

11:24

Logged on 05-01-2016 15:19:23; kakobrekla: nah, mtgox was automated.

11:24

the bash web interface seems to be stuck at beginning of november

11:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26944 @ 0.00051197 = 13.7945 BTC [+] {4}

11:26

davout wanna be mod ?

11:30

shit

11:30

i guess if one's needed then why not

11:30

am i allowed to autoh-mate moderation?

11:33

lol no.

11:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00051284 = 24.3086 BTC [+] {5}

11:39

davout you now have mod access, on that note some guidelines http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257804

11:39

Logged on 31-08-2015 23:27:05; kakobrekla: not at all, but i have a process for approving bashes

11:39

approve/delete them in order

11:39

clean them up as much as you can

11:39

check the logs for possible better framing

11:40

i dont usually approve those containing links because fuck that shit and also links tend up ending dead

11:40

i prolly end up removing over half of them

11:43

feel free to ask if you have questions and good luck.

11:54

ok, i'll give it a go

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12:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15252 @ 0.00050757 = 7.7415 BTC [-] {3}

12:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12641 @ 0.00051366 = 6.4932 BTC [+]

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13:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00051542 = 18.7871 BTC [+] {2}

13:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10360 @ 0.00051179 = 5.3021 BTC [-] {2}

13:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00051582 = 7.8663 BTC [+] {2}

13:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17685 @ 0.00051179 = 9.051 BTC [-] {2}

~ 25 minutes ~

13:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00050402 = 9.0724 BTC [-] {3}

14:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00050325 = 9.0585 BTC [-] {3}

14:06

!up taub

14:07

!up tautology

14:21

!up mircea_ahoy

14:21

hola!

14:22

in other argentine news, half of belgrano's out of power an' so i evacuated to a boat.

14:22

!up Dava

14:22

turns out that if you're going to run a generator, the best way to go about it is, make it part of sailing

14:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.0005031 = 7.295 BTC [-] {3}

14:23

Things your mom would have your rear end for saying, things that though youre no expert you feel that you are clearly the most intelligent on the forum and have to interject. Things you would NEVER say to their face or at least that directly in my blog I really want to expose just how a simple Facebook comment has torn my life apart about horses and how unfortunately I witnessed a Facebook friend receive the same cruel attack just last w

14:23

eek.

14:23

Youre too fat to ride that horse.

14:23

fuck that shit ? what's the horse, a rock ? if you prick it, it does not bleed ?

14:23

alf: see - mircea's dirigible

14:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00050233 = 13.7638 BTC [-] {2}

14:24

the biullshit they hide behind. no, my mother wouldn't have been protecting your delusional "right" to be colossaly stupid at the expense of a poor unfortunate horse that has no fault.

14:24

for that matter, i have said this to people, and so has anyone who owns horses and lets random street people ride them.

14:26

that aside, the actual woman in the picture isn't actually too fat to ride, and besides its her own fucking horse. but fucking SAY THAT. not random bs about mothers and whantot.

14:27

ahoy, Cap'n! o/

14:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360851 << for the record, all bets that closed for new year were paid out ~ coupla days ago. some non conforming miners have been failing to include the txn in mined blocks. this is part and parcel of bitcoin working poorly as it does.

14:27

Logged on 05-01-2016 15:16:51; kakobrekla: anyway, a shitload of bets closed at new years so give so time to sort them all out

14:28

direct any complaints as to "why my txn has been waiting for x days" to anyone and everyone who is running non-conformant bitcoin implementations. starting with the pools.

14:30

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360864 << the money that they were pretending to have and never did went to places. just like eth and just like every other fiat-pushing "bitcoin" scam to date.

14:30

Logged on 05-01-2016 16:05:26; assbot: Bitcoin Foundation: Where on Earth Did all the Money Go? ... ( http://bit.ly/1myW4Gq )

14:32

"I have not been presented any evidence of any theft, criminal act or similar wrongdoing but would be *happy to pay a bounty of at least 10%* for anyone with information and evidence of any such act leading to recovery of any funds which were misappropriated or stolen. Those who imply that there is any wrongdoing at the foundation now or by those involved now should come forward with evidence or at least a solid and specific accusation. If p

14:32

resented with any such evidence I would work to have justice done."

14:32

fucking bullshit. fenton using the meni rosenfeld defense "hey, if you don't get a fiat court to give us fiat then ergo no crime was committed by our bitcoin scam"

14:32

yeah, right.

14:33

;;later tell mircea_popescu remember to negrate that fenton dumbass.

14:33

The operation succeeded.

14:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.0005078 = 7.4647 BTC [+] {2}

14:51

!up mircea_ahoy

14:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57545 @ 0.00050782 = 29.2225 BTC [+] {2}

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15:09

apparently it's gonna storm. herp.

15:11

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360915 < are you checking and resending as well or ?

15:11

Logged on 05-01-2016 19:27:56; mircea_ahoy: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360851 << for the record, all bets that closed for new year were paid out ~ coupla days ago. some non conforming miners have been failing to include the txn in mined blocks. this is part and parcel of bitcoin working poorly as it does.

15:11

kakobrekla, yes, they're being broadcast constantly.

15:11

roger

15:11

besides, what's mempool remanence, 48-72 hrs ?

15:11

idk

15:12

50something average last i recall looking at it.

15:12

i cant say i remember having such issues ever

15:12

yeah well. you don't really get to kno wwhat pos the bitcoin network is until/unless you try and run a high volume merchant on it.

15:13

do txes you broadcast end up shown on some blockexporer in a timely manner?

15:14

yep

15:14

on various ones. heck, guy complaining yest linked to one.

15:15

"broadcast two days ago, miner priority 84%", not included

15:15

dunno, even my fee-less txes came through in less than a day recently

15:16

are you using trb or bullshit-b ?

15:16

doesnt make a diff for broadcasting - you can use various endpoints

15:17

yeah, but i also don't honor whatever random "improvements" derps made.

15:18

even some blockexplorers have a 'broadcast tx' option no?

15:18

sure.

15:19

anyway, it's no trlike the txn is secret or anything. it's signed, anyone can broadcast it any way they please.

15:19

im just trying to figure out where the problem is

15:20

i cant say i did so far

15:20

best i can tell, miners haven't been including 100s of btc worth of valid txn.

15:20

which... you know, is not technically something bitcoin guarantees won't happen.

15:21

even if you don'

15:21

t care about days destroyed, the fee was in the top fifth anyway.

15:21

!up mircea_ahoy

15:22

but hey, for as long as the bullshit subsidy for blocks continues, this problem will persist.

15:22

once they get 0.1 btc for a mined block, not including 0.0001 feed txn won't be feasible anymore.

15:22

would be nice to figure out if this is some specific miners or all of them

15:22

yes.

15:23

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360777 relevant

15:23

Logged on 05-01-2016 05:55:35; massiro: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/

15:25

it's not even multisig, probably is nonstandard for 0.11 :D

15:26

uh that site makes my head hurt.

15:26

https://blockchain.info/address/1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx

15:26

Bitcoin Address 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx ... ( http://bit.ly/1O3RWH7 )

15:26

heh

15:26

>Fee: 0 BTC

15:26

this could possibly have something to do with it.

15:26

possibly but it's not actually correct ?

15:26

i don't think i've sent a 0 fee since 2012.

15:27

i dunno

15:28

odd stuff

15:28

so other txs from same wallet have gone through?

15:30

same system's been paying bitbet since bitbet has invented.

15:30

it's been running into random problems ever since, none of which have ever been fucking fixed.

15:30

!up Batchulism

15:31

occasionally i do a trilema piece about them, or used to at any rate, but really... kinda lost interest.

15:31

Batchulism

shouldn't 0 fee txn still show up on blockchain or other explorer, just with 0 confirmations?

15:31

nobody's actually involved in making bitcoin not suck. there's a large group of idiots involved in trying to make themselves look good, and there's trb trying to make bitcoin be less g narly.

15:31

fixing the actual usability issues looks at the present time like 2020

15:36

ahoy mircea_ahoy

15:36

where are you sailing to?

15:36

just going up an' down the silver river.

15:37

recharging tits & butts with solar power.

15:37

Batchulism

how long do 0 fee txn take to process? do they ever time out?

15:38

even if in fact it were 0 fee, with that cointime mass it shouldn't take hours, let alone a whole day.

15:38

ofcourse we've probably abandoned days destroyed because it's unfair or something, fuck knows anymore.

15:40

but more generally, a txn can't time out for as long as it's being rebroadcast.

15:40

Batchulism

so what happens with the txn that were sent for the bets closed for new year that havent come through?

15:40

they're in the mempool waiting to be included in a block.

15:41

anyway, ima be landing. bbl.

~ 16 minutes ~

15:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00050989 = 12.7727 BTC [+] {2}

~ 22 minutes ~

16:20

"Twitter Considering 10,000-Character Limit for Tweets"

16:24

http://img.svbtle.com/xpk4h3gh3zoq.png

16:24

... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6rAga )

16:24

Sounds like the [ANN] section of bitcointalk.

16:32

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102395.0

16:32

[Full Disclosure] CVE-2012-2459 (block merkle calculation exploit) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6sPf6 )

16:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.0005129 = 20.0544 BTC [+] {3}

16:44

https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3v1qv5/488_btc_was_stolen_from_me_but_how/cxjrv0w?context=3

16:44

arkanoah comments on 4.88 BTC was stolen from me, BUT HOW?! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6uYYj )

16:47

oops, that was in the log

16:48

CVE-2012-2459 isn't though, maybe a good thing to fix next trb release

16:53

https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zm3m7/cryptsy_halts_both_trade_engine_and_withdrawals/

16:53

Cryptsy halts both trade engine and withdrawals : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6woSv )

16:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20455 @ 0.00050934 = 10.4185 BTC [-] {2}

16:55

Good, I hope their little scam factory crashes and burns.

16:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22455 @ 0.00050003 = 11.2282 BTC [-] {2}

17:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00049675 = 8.4696 BTC [-] {2}

17:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00050183 = 6.2729 BTC [+] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

17:28

blockchain.info and blockexplorer.com know nothing of d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9

17:28

anyone tried to submit it there directly?

17:29

[Qntra] Man Driven Into Historic Flood Waters By Missouri Police Dead - http://qntra.net/2016/01/man-driven-into-historic-flood-waters-by-missouri-police-dead/

17:30

blockr.io idem

17:32

interesting, this shows there is some unconfirmed tx, but never loads it https://blockexplorer.com/address/1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx

17:32

... ( http://bit.ly/1mE5DmK )

17:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00050215 = 12.152 BTC [+] {3}

17:48

http://lhartikk.github.io/ArnoldC/

17:48

ArnoldC ... ( http://bit.ly/1mE80Ga )

17:48

nice

17:49

except for the java part, but that can be fixed

17:50

!up Bitbet123

17:51

!up mircea_popescu

17:51

!rate brucefenton -10 working to coverup vessennes various frauds with the faux bitcoin foundation

17:51

brucefenton is not registered in WoT.

17:51

rrright.

17:51

Bitbet123

Hi, why is bitbet not paying out?

17:51

Bitbet123 bitbet did pay out.

17:51

miners currently not including the transaction in blocks. go ask them why not.

17:52

Bitbet123

Can you not resend?

17:52

it's being rebroadcast every 2-4 hours actually.

17:52

finally the pile of emails overflows to irc.

17:52

kakobrekla the wrong irc, but anyway.

17:52

Bitbet123

Well i'd like to receive my winnings

17:53

i bet you would.

17:53

you just gotta mine a block

17:53

unfortunately bitcoin doesn't seem to be ready for prime time just yet.

17:53

just like it wasn't back in... you know... http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/

17:53

Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mE8QCT )

17:53

2013...

17:55

Mebbe you gotta double spend with moar fee?

17:56

if 0.001 ain't enough for 1kb it will just have to fucking wait.

17:56

i dunno who the fuck pays 100k satoshi / kb other than me.

17:56

0.o

17:56

I usually do, but holy shit

17:58

that's about hiw much it costs to train gathering in Eulora when you're the highest rank gatherer :D

17:58

anyway, Bitbet123 : the correct avenue here is to ask antpool / f2pool / whoever else why they aren't including tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9

17:59

alternatively you could also ask various monkeys masquerading as "bitcoin devs" why the fuck they broke the protocol and are costing you money.

18:03

kek

18:05

stuff's weird, i broadcast txes multiple times a day, paying 0.001 per, around 1~2kb, never had an issue

18:05

aha.

18:05

bitbet also never has an issue 99.9% of teh time

18:05

but as it turns out, THAT is not good enough for an actual, usable payment network.

18:05

you sure you're not paying 0.0001 instead of 0.001 ?

18:06

care to share the raw tx?

18:06

again - even if it were free, it should have been much higher priority than anything else.

18:06

should it ?

18:07

myeah. i'd have to extract it, tho you could just fish it out of the mempool by hash i guess ?

18:07

first thing i tried

18:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4001 @ 0.00050516 = 2.0211 BTC [+] {2}

18:07

i want to try to push it myself, see what happens

18:08

aite ima have it extracted.

18:08

bc.info doesn't see it, which happens fairly often in my experience, because it sucks

18:08

but blockr.io doesn't see it either, which is more surprising, again, in my experience

18:09

so i suspect it simply doesn't propagate

18:09

i dunno they kinda dropped off my map since they were acquired.

18:09

but, if you run a proper node i can connect to you and it should be in your mempool within the ... i dunno, minute, hour ?

18:10

hang on, gonna check a different node

18:11

nah, paymium's production node doesn't see it either

18:11

[Qntra] Twitter Suspends Oregon Hero's Account - http://qntra.net/2016/01/twitter-suspends-oregon-heros-account/

18:13

does twitter even do anything OTHER than suspend any account the moment it threatens veering into maybe vaguely interesting ?

18:14

Not really.

18:14

But the indictment in this case seems necessary

18:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5086 @ 0.00050183 = 2.5523 BTC [-] {2}

18:15

So the next chapter of VanillaISIS knows to establish an embassy with tmsr before seceeding

18:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361025 <<< I trolled Bruce Fenton by tweeting this to him earlier.

18:15

Logged on 05-01-2016 22:51:16; mircea_popescu: !rate brucefenton -10 working to coverup vessennes various frauds with the faux bitcoin foundation

18:23

Kodak brings back Super8, "Shooting Analogue has never been so easy. When you purchase film you will be buying the film, processing and digital transfer. The lab will send you your developed film back and email you a password to retrieve your digital scans from the cloud so you can edit and share in any way you choose."

18:23

who the fuck is gonna buy this thing

18:24

what's it cost ?

18:25

no idea

18:25

https://i.imgur.com/VNAgKQV.jpg

18:25

... ( http://bit.ly/1mEd7WZ )

18:26

chicks that wanna-be cool on the cheap ?

18:26

no shortage of those.

18:26

film is not cheap

18:27

yes but what people want and what people get...

18:27

though LOMO is another thing that inexplicably still exists, and it's pretty popular with the hipster chicks

18:28

i thought i just explained it.

18:31

http://shop.lomography.com/en

18:31

looks like hardware-instagram

18:32

heh

18:32

http://shop.lomography.com/en/home/newpetzval58-brass "the New Petzval 58 Bokeh Control Art Lens features a classic gear rack focusing mechanism and Waterhouse aperture plates for a truly 19th century-like photographic experience."

18:32

anyway, a casual inspection shows numerous txns with problems this year

18:32

http://dpaste.com/3SFFTB3 << list.

18:32

dpaste: 3SFFTB3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEdJfi )

18:32

"Experiment with a diverse selection of films just for you! Choose from true-to-life color negatives or moody black & whites. Give slide emulsions a go or try your luck with expired rolls."

18:33

davout happen to see any of those ?

18:33

lemme check

18:34

none

18:34

heh.

18:35

but do share d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9, you made me curious

18:35

yeah, ima have it extracted.

18:36

nothing about it in my debug.log

18:38

asciilifeform remind me, does -connect stack ?

18:42

mircea_popescu: yes

18:47

cool, ima run up a node from that cluster including the known trb nodes specifically. if you want to get yours included davout or anyone else pm me an ip.

18:59

i have a trb node that is not yet full, currently at block 312275

19:03

This sheriff needs to sleep https://archive.is/K1t3x

19:03

Harney County Sheriff: Armed Occupiers Will Face Charges . News | OPB ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejoQo )

19:06

check it out, they found rip thorn's son!

19:06

They have an opportunity right now to work towards a better solution, and not face further charges, he said.

19:07

ahahahaha. check out who has "an opportunity" and who sets the limits of who gets what opportunities.

19:07

derps.

19:07

how about "usg has an opportunity to quit infringing now and save more face than if it quits later" ?

19:09

Dude knows he's not going to get any sleep because he's been briefed on how the Bundy ranch defense still stands years later.

19:10

"If this goes on any longer, it will have an even greater impact on our tourism and local economy" lol

19:10

;;later tell ben_vulpes If you really intend to be the lord of cascadia you prolly ought to start negotiating borders and such

19:10

The operation succeeded.

19:10

apparently not, lol, i can't even get a partay started :D

19:10

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361106 << yes BUT THIS GIVES A USELESS UNCONNECTABLE-TO NODE

19:10

Logged on 05-01-2016 23:38:30; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me, does -connect stack ?

19:11

asciilifeform was just trying to pass along some txn on the cheap.

19:11

well it will really suck with a 8-max and outgoing-only turdnode.

19:11

huh ?

19:11

that's what you get when you -connect

19:12

a non-listening node

19:12

the gist of it is that guy wants a copy of a certain txn

19:13

-connect to the current trb nodes and spray it in, leave'em to broadcast

19:13

that's the correct use of -connect.

19:13

it's what i was describing ima do.

19:13

ah

19:13

173.73.235.152:8333 216.15.33.203:8333 46.166.165.30:8333 << mine

19:14

all running.

19:14

as seen by the eye of sauron, even, https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99

19:14

Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )

19:14

aite, be ~an hr.

19:16

http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#1273 just gotta remove "mapArgs.count("-connect")" from there right?

19:16

Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLJYoG )

19:17

"He said hostility toward federal employees is taking a toll on the entire community." ahahahaha orly. is it.

19:17

this reduces to behaviour of '-addnode' iirc

19:19

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361116 << wai wut?! that'd be like ru letting chechnya secede. (notice, even flat-broke 1990s ru could not do this, not while it had anything like an army and what to feed it)

19:19

Logged on 06-01-2016 00:07:54; mircea_popescu: how about "usg has an opportunity to quit infringing now and save more face than if it quits later" ?

19:19

heh.

19:20

there's really nothing wrong with bending over and taking in the ass. women the world over do it every day.

19:20

usg might enjoy it too.

19:20

aha but hitler has to eat his luger first

19:21

after he tires of moving imaginary, long-dead armies around on a little map

19:21

which brings us to the present day.

19:22

not quite

19:22

anyway, much to my contradicted disbelief, the consensus among unconnected, aparatchick chicks on okc seems to be that "well, a) trump will win and b) that'll be tghe end of any federal government"

19:22

or what, let's say word gets out that anybody wanted by a u.s. sheriff only has to make his way to the magic oregon dreamland. still no napalm ?

19:22

what the fuck do they know, right ? but then again... anthropologist's irk. how did all these unrelated derps manage to come to the same story.

19:23

asciilifeform hey, that's how texas was built.

19:23

literally, instead of nulla bonam the endorsement was G.T.

19:24

hitler's new questions https://archive.is/vAZyc

19:24

When are they gonna buff the cat companions? : outside ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLKNh2 )

19:24

ad from BingoBoingo's link: 'a fecal transplant saved my life'

19:25

"i wasn't full of shit"

19:26

mircea_popescu: clitler is anointed winner

19:26

only in the bunker.

19:27

that's where they print the 'election' results tho

19:27

mmmm... notrly.

19:27

at any rate, since when does figurehead queen get to 'end of any federal gov'

19:29

all it'd take would be for the ceiling to not be raised.

19:29

all president needs to say is that well, we're not raising it.

19:29

gorbachev moment.

19:30

not how usg works

19:30

;;google usa veto override

19:30

Veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veto>; List of United States presidential vetoes - Wikipedia, the free ...: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes>; Presidential Vetoes | US House of Representatives: History, Art ...: <http://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidential-Vetoes/Presidential-Vetoes/>

19:31

he doesn't have to veto anything.

19:31

just sit on hands next budget scandal. scheduled for... 2016.

19:31

and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head

19:32

but not bothering is not the same.

19:32

and what, mr o bothered ?

19:32

o yeah.

19:32

ooooo yeah. pretty much the only thing bahamas did was the entire boehner derpitude.

19:33

and if he hadn't ?

19:33

however, the way the winnings and losses were distributed there, it seems altogether unlikely that ever happens again.

19:33

if he hadn't the vacation would have been permanent.

19:33

and in a year';s time, no more usg, not ever again.

19:33

you know they only send the clerks home, on 'vacation'

19:33

not the einsatzgruppen.

19:34

19:34

National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLLLKa )

19:35

<asciilifeform> and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head << Carter nearly tried, also nearly eaten by rabbit

19:38

BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/0FKN2BH.txt

19:38

... ( http://bit.ly/1MRD0I3 )

19:38

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--zFzpMJMA--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/huls96guvmqu5qomvocg.jpg

19:38

... ( http://bit.ly/1MRD1vA )

19:39

BingoBoingo: translate for humans plox

19:39

"100! 100!" << what's this translate to in english ?

19:39

asciilifeform: Typical black twitter drama, but Oregon militia gets banned.

19:40

yes but what does it mean

19:40

'none of y'all about this'

19:40

this doesn't parse

19:40

"can't touch this" ?

19:40

Not mean to parse, it's essentially a long explative denoting anger

19:41

he uses 'glock 19' instead of gearshift knob in car ?

19:41

;;ud be about it

19:41

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=be+about+it | be about it. An ethnocentric phrase of African American origin meaning: 1.) Taking a specific endeavor seriously and putting forth an honest and prudent effort. 2.

19:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00049598 = 16.5905 BTC [-] {5}

19:42

asciilifeform: He used to play pokemon with concussions. Retired as a master after collecting them all.

19:43

*

asciilifeform finds it lulzy that mircea_popescu and perhaps other thinking folks outside the razor wire believe that the ceremonial usaschwitz kommendant elections are actually ~about~ something. in actuality, they are rather like the fighting of certain ruminants, e.g., mountain sheep, whose horns are set at such an angle that they cannot harm one another

19:45

as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win'

19:45

"Examples: 1.) Our mid-terms are coming up soon, so you better be about it and study hard to pass. 2.) As a member of the National Association of Black Journalist, we are expected to be about it."

19:46

asciilifeform: like so http://www.kiddycastles.co.uk/images/Gladiator2.jpg

19:46

... ( http://bit.ly/1MRDT3s )

19:46

aha.

19:47

precisely that.

19:47

american elections are exactly as interesting as the soviet elections, and for exactly the same reason.

19:48

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1451836492-20160103.png << from the mines

19:48

... ( http://bit.ly/1MRE9zt )

19:50

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361118 << ahaha l0l, like eric frein

19:50

Logged on 06-01-2016 00:10:26; punkman: "If this goes on any longer, it will have an even greater impact on our tourism and local economy" lol

19:50

in other nyooz, "During the year, landlords raised rents as much as 15% in the Brush Park district, 14% in New Center and 10% in the areas around Wayne State University and the Detroit Medical Center, according to a Midtown Detroit survey." << rents went from $1 to $1.15 per square metre per year in detroit !

19:50

(anybody even remember him ?)

19:51

!s eric frein

19:51

16 results for 'eric frein' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eric+frein

19:51

http://bitbet.us/bet/1061/

19:51

BitBet - Eric Frein to receive death sentence :: 0.08 B (38%) on Yes, 0.13 B (62%) on No | closed 3 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLNlM4 )

19:51

nobody even gave enough of a fuck to bet...

19:52

frein < eth

19:52

because ~will~ is not enough. you ALSO need brain, and resources.

19:52

and even then likely you get to say hello to the cathars.

19:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59850 @ 0.00049558 = 29.6605 BTC [-] {2}

19:55

wake me up when moscow is air-supplying oregon phortress of phreeeeedom with SAM rockets, food, and cheap whores every 48h - like usg is resupplying kiev

19:57

asciilifeform: Maybe if we ping Herr Orlov enough it will be done?

19:59

[Qntra] US Doctors To Move From Stitching To Snitching On President's Orders - http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-doctors-to-move-from-stitching-to-snitching-on-presidents-orders/

19:59

lel nice title

19:59

i like it

20:00

ty, just a couple minor edits

20:00

Mostly making sure Hussein precedes Bahamas

20:00

can never do that enough

20:01

;;google hussein bahamas

20:01

i-before-e

20:01

President Hussein Bahamas Ends National Security Speech With ...: <http://qntra.net/2015/11/president-hussein-bahamas-ends-national-security-speech-with-happy-thanksgiving/>; Obama at ASEAN: Money Overwhelms Ideas | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2015/11/obama-at-asean-money-overwhelms-ideas/>; Trump Proposes "Closing Up the Internet" | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2015/12/trump-proposes- (1 more message)

20:01

pete_dushenski: snore. see earlier thread re: figurehead queen. mr o decreed merely that old laws are to be (shock!) enforced.

20:01

and even this was an almost exact copy of the... last time.

20:01

prolly used the same ms word doc.

20:02

this is nyooz goddamit !!!1

20:02

bahamas ~cried~

20:02

real, honest to goodness alligator tears

20:02

qntra - pravda now? reporting on gorbachev's decrees ? (anybody remember his booze prohibition ?)

20:02

*

BingoBoingo kinda wished pete would have brought http://qntra.net/2015/09/obama-brings-fish-to-orgasm-in-alaska-vacation-hijinks/ into it

20:02

Obama Brings Fish to Orgasm In Alaska Vacation Hijinks | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLOkvU )

20:03

see now ~that~ was nyooz.

20:03

BingoBoingo: i did ask if you wanted any specific links in there...

20:03

i don't recall bush 'handjobbing' a fish.

20:03

pete_dushenski: You gotta anticipate this. If you talk Bahamas you gotta bring that up for the SEO

20:04

Especially on contravex and any other web domain you publish.

20:04

*

pete_dushenski will endeavour to anticipate moar

20:05

Seriously pete as not the editor of their competitor you could probably write to Roger VERified bitcoin.com and get them to have a link to the fish handjob

20:05

asciilifeform: bush opened gitmo though

20:06

as 'detention camp'

20:06

Bush was dry drunk on O'Douls the whole time

20:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4367 @ 0.00049454 = 2.1597 BTC [-] {2}

20:08

http://www.politico.com/gallery/39-great-photos-from-obamas-presidency?slide=0 << for caption contest enthusiasts

20:08

39 great photos from Obama's presidency - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRGaeR )

20:09

;;later tell cazalla ^

20:09

The operation succeeded.

20:10

haha ya. caz killed it with that one coindesk conpherence

20:12

;;ticker --market all --currency rmb

20:12

BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2820.26, vol: 52880.32960000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2820.26

20:20

ben_vulpes, pete_dushenski, other apple iron aficionados - anybody do the capslock mod ( https://github.com/cfenollosa/aekii ) ?

20:20

cfenollosa/aekii · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLPQ0W )

20:25

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361091 << lulzy, somebody inherited a warehouse full of old junk, monetized !

20:25

Logged on 05-01-2016 23:31:03; punkman: http://shop.lomography.com/en

20:26

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361076 << say what you like about proper-isis, but it has chix. and food. and tanks...

20:26

Logged on 05-01-2016 23:15:10; BingoBoingo: So the next chapter of VanillaISIS knows to establish an embassy with tmsr before seceeding

20:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361049 << is this where we learn that nobody's mining off trb ?

20:27

Logged on 05-01-2016 22:59:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively you could also ask various monkeys masquerading as "bitcoin devs" why the fuck they broke the protocol and are costing you money.

20:36

asciilifeform: just using capslock as 'control' ?

20:41

well yes

20:42

but it has to be cured first

20:42

(those keyboards had a mechanically-locking toggle)

20:42

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361272 < id be surprised if anyone outside ba even uses the thing let alone mine with it. there arent any miners here.

20:42

Logged on 06-01-2016 01:27:22; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361049 << is this where we learn that nobody's mining off trb ?

20:43

!s mining is a bug

20:43

2 results for 'mining is a bug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mining+is+a+bug

20:43

asciilifeform: right. but i... use model m. thus, no locking problems. only apple keyboard i have is ~10 years old, white thingy. also no prob.

20:44

anyways, neat re-jiggery

20:44

you dont trully appreciate model-m until you come off it.

20:44

^^^

20:49

off to see the wizard. one love !

20:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00049355 = 3.134 BTC [-] {2}

20:59

'...a Common Lisp package and libraries called MockMMA. see the directory for a recent revision of this Mockmma. This version is more directed to being compatible with the source-forge program Maxima, even if Maxima is being run in GCL, a Lisp dialect lacking in full upper-lower case control. (This is a disadvantage because Mathematica uses many mixed-case identifiers). To the user, this somewhat resembles Mathematica (tm), bu

20:59

t has the advantage of being totally open (full source code). One can manipulate polynomials in several variables over the integers, rational functions, and a variety of other mathematical objects. Manipulations include simplification, differentiation, integration, evaluation, pattern matching, etc.'

20:59

r. fateman, who else. http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fateman/lisp/mma4max

20:59

Index of /~fateman/lisp/mma4max ... ( http://bit.ly/1OLoKbv )

21:00

'While I'm pointing to old software, here's where you can get a free copy of the final (1982?) university release of Franz Lisp Opus 38.92 for VAX. I don't know why you would want this old stuff, but the university software distribution office has closed and they left a copy with me.'

21:00

and many other goodies.

21:00

i kinda wonder who else i assumed were dead, is actually not only alive but has a spiffy www.

21:01

http://sourceforge.net/p/maxima/mailman/message/32614108 << drama !

21:02

Maxima -- GPL CAS based on DOE-MACSYMA / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEwrTT )

21:02

'Well, as far as I could tell circa 2009, this programmer took my code and disabled 95% of the capabilities that I put in it. He then put his version on sourceforge and used my name for it, MockMMA. What did he do? He did some data structure translation and attached the parser superficially to the Maxima system back end so that individual commands like _Integrate_ worked to call Maxima's _integrate_....'

21:02

*

asciilifeform wonders the usual 'why??!11??'

21:05

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fateman/mma.mailer << lulzy

21:05

... ( http://bit.ly/1mEx1kI )

21:07

http://dpaste.com/0E5T2C1 ^^ copy of above

21:07

dpaste: 0E5T2C1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mExcws )

21:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15748 @ 0.00049777 = 7.8389 BTC [+] {2}

21:11

mats

lol, linode pwned again, for the fourth time in as many years

21:14

asciilifeform is right. VPS services are the canadian devil.

21:14

wai wut

21:14

def need a WoT datacenter soon.

21:14

who even used it

21:14

(humans only plox)

21:15

I was talking VPS services in general AWS, Google Cloud, Linode, et al.

21:15

if you don't have physical access to the box, what's the point?

21:15

aha, but ~who used it~

21:15

it is possible to live in a sewer. eat from a 'dumpster.'

21:16

but can you ~name~ folks who do? and do they count as a who ?

21:16

do corporations count as people?

21:25

<asciilifeform> 'Well, as far as I could tell circa 2009, this programmer took my code and disabled 95%<<< this is becoming more and more sop, sometimes outright theft but more typically a "new maintainer", also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-11-2015#1327527

21:25

Logged on 19-11-2015 20:05:06; phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and there's a lot of senseless turd polishing in the past few years. broken interfaces for the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders.

~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~

22:26

!up dbclk

22:26

!up funkenstein_

22:26

!up massiro

22:26

hello

22:26

hello

22:26

finally..thanks for the add

22:27

What add?

22:27

funkenstein_

happy new year boingo

22:27

i think he means voice

22:27

well..allowing me to have a voice here

22:27

you too funkenstein_

22:27

the last time i tried talking here..it said i need to have some wirc account..i dont remember

22:27

dbclk it doesnt last for too long so make it count

22:28

:(

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dbclk: Ah, expires after 30 minute, you could have asked before. Also gotta register a WoT key and get rated

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yeah WoT

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that sounds like a long process

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:(

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If you make your voiced time count, more likely to mebbe be able to voice self

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life is also a long process, usually, do you skip that too?

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The only thing longer than doing it is not doing it.

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that's true

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anyways..i'm a day trader..well just started recently traded my own money with bitcoins

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i've made good trades but, mostly terrible ones ..reading a book on trading but i'm seeking a mentor

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so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor

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!up PeterL

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What do you trade Bitcoins against?

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afaik taleb can teach you a few things about trading but this place is investors mostly, not traders.

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hi BingoBoingo

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hai PeterL

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BingoBoingo: against USD

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buy high, sell low!

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buy high sell higher

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lol

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And don't forget to hodl

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if it was that easy :)

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buy high, wonder what the hell you were doing after the drugs wear off

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even looking at the 1 hr chart against the BTC/USD..it looks like a triple top

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but, not quite sure ..because, on each peeks you have progressively less and less volume until it breaks the neckline

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the magic ball says ...

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what i'm seeing on the chart is consistent volumes and no declines

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dbclk: You could learn to trade like me, but that means unlearning things like "triple top"

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hmm

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you dont use technical analysis BingoBoingo ?

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dbclk: Not in the way you seem to.

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;;8ball buy now?

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_I_ don't know.

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:(

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*

BingoBoingo trades slow

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you do this full time BingoBoingo ?

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No, like 10 minutes every 3 months or so

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oh so you have a full time job

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Bitcoin stuff full time, yes. Trading like 0.17% time

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ok

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well my intention is to do this fulltime

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and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money

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That's a problem

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how so?

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Well, the losing money part, if you step that up to full time you're sunk.

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as my mother says, "the best way to save money is to not spend it"

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The better trader you are the less time you spend trading. I just enter orders into the book and wait for them to be filled or not filled.

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i agree BingoBoingo

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well already doing it full time...i wouldn't blame technical analysis...just need to finish learn

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dbclk: how much capital do you have available to play with?

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i think it can help quiet bit..the time i do loose money is when i'm trading randomly

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not much

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But pick swings that take months, not minutes, and prolly pick a pair with better exchanges than BTC/USD

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about 10 Gs

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which other pair BingoBoingo ?

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ALSO BEST KOREA CLAIMS HYDROGEN BOMB TEST

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trinque

oh boy

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dbclk: That's for you to decide

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well yeah i was doing trades ..like minutes

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but, i get you..i rather do it slowly rather than quickly

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and come to think of it..i mostly loose money that way

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trinque

lil kim jong must need a new shipment of henney

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anyways thanks for the advice folks

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one last question BingoBoingo

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you do use technical analysis for like picking resistance, support and retracements right?

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and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns?

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Nah, I take my hand, cup my scrotum, and just man up.

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trinque

!b 4

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Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/22TV100.txt )

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+dbclk> so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor << come work for me in Eulora

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35237173 << "It's completely improper... to link a group that appeared to come from North Africa with the refugees" "In Cologne at least one woman was raped and many were groped, including a volunteer policewoman." etc.

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Cologne sex attacks: Merkel disgust at New Year gang assaults - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVGr7 )

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danielpbarron: tell me where to sign up

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dbclk, http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora

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Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Obt29b )

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thanks danielpbarron ..I'll look into it

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361387 >>> obligatory >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345310 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345317

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Logged on 06-01-2016 03:39:38; BingoBoingo: ALSO BEST KOREA CLAIMS HYDROGEN BOMB TEST

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Logged on 17-12-2015 04:01:54; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the OTHER usa, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEhSF188x5k

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Logged on 17-12-2015 04:23:14; asciilifeform: i prolly ought to have translated, it was a concert in honour of 81st anniversary of the korean people's army

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asciilifeform: 4.9 earthquake 0 kilometers deep

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"What is particularly disturbing is that the attacks appear to have been organised. Around 1,000 young men arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women."

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asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774

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Common Lisp Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach: Edmund Weitz: 9781484211779: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRXsZp )

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[Qntra] DPRK Successfully Tests Hydrogen Bomb - http://qntra.net/2016/01/dprk-successfully-tests-hydrogen-bomb/

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BingoBoingo: nah, 'diamond level' is when somebody has thermonukes in quantity AND delivery vehicle

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asciilifeform: That's triple diamond

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http://xahlee.info/comp/TRON_operating_system_and_encoding.html << l0ltr0n1c

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TRON Operating System ＆ Encoding ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRYqoG )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00049323 = 2.0716 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049617 = 4.6144 BTC [+]

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << aha, i've been waitin' a looong time

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Logged on 06-01-2016 04:07:24; phf: asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774

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did order it. likely - no good, sadly. they almost never are.

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naggum could've written a first-class b00k

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if he hadn't been so busy unsuccessfully staying alive.

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