| 00:01 |
BingoBoingo |
I swear I had a solid case for OpenNTPD over ISC NTPD, but the opinions on timekeeping are kept in a treacherous antipode |
| 00:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52548 @ 0.00043508 = 22.8626 BTC [-] |
| 00:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23229 @ 0.00043787 = 10.1713 BTC [+] |
| 00:16 |
mats |
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a16087/beats-headphones-weighted |
| 00:16 |
assbot |
Four Tiny Pieces of Metal Keep Beats Headphones From Feeling Cheap ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cgd7Os ) |
| 00:18 |
mats |
http://www.businessinsider.com/paid-actors-at-donald-trump-announcement-2015-6 << already creating jobs |
| 00:18 |
assbot |
REPORT: Donald Trump paid actors for his 2016 announcement - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1CgdfNU ) |
| 00:19 |
BingoBoingo |
mats: Anything work for your carpal tunnel yet? I've got an angry wrist nerve I am trying to conquer |
| 00:19 |
mats |
nope |
| 00:19 |
decimation |
mats: the beats thing still pisses me off |
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| 00:20 |
decimation |
a company like sennheiser makes actual headphones, with specifications and everything |
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| 00:20 |
decimation |
some dumbfucks make shit plastic and get $3bil |
| 00:20 |
mats |
am seriously considering going under the knife in spite of the low chance it'll even work |
| 00:21 |
mats |
decimation: about to make even more after beats store goes live |
| 00:21 |
BingoBoingo |
I mashed up some naproxen with a bit of leaf from the lambs ear outside to use a a carrier. Positive effect for sure, but prolly would be better with some DMSO. |
| 00:22 |
mats |
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jun/17/kitchen-gadgets-review-ikettle-boil-phone lol |
| 00:22 |
assbot |
Kitchen gadgets review: the iKettle – a world off its rocker | Life and style | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1flIH8H ) |
| 00:22 |
cazalla |
mats, doesn't every nominee have paid actors do that shit? |
| 00:22 |
mats |
BingoBoingo: have been popping ibuprofen like candy |
| 00:22 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Most hide it better, a few can save some money on true believers. |
| 00:22 |
funkenstein_ |
decimation, look at any luxury good for the same racket |
| 00:23 |
mats |
am around 2g over last two weeks |
| 00:23 |
BingoBoingo |
mats: Your poor stomach. What about trying that stuff topical? |
| 00:23 |
mats |
am also applying bengay liberally |
| 00:24 |
mats |
i have become my grandfather |
| 00:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Ouch. Bengay is basically topical super aspirin |
| 00:24 |
mats |
is that good |
| 00:25 |
mats |
i was under the impression that it reduces inflammation |
| 00:25 |
BingoBoingo |
It does. |
| 00:25 |
BingoBoingo |
The salicyclate is the active part of aspirin |
| 00:26 |
mats |
its not working |
| 00:28 |
BingoBoingo |
I mean you can try a comounding pharmacy for a more extreme replacement for the BenGay. Mixing a different NSAID with amitryptiline or nortryptiline to hit the nerve endings harder |
| 00:28 |
decimation |
funkenstein_: yeah I know, people here bitch about the lack of 'adult' products. glitzy candy beats serious in the market every time |
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| 00:28 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Chicago |
| 00:29 |
mats |
decimation: nvm, apparently beats music has been up for some time |
| 00:29 |
funkenstein_ |
large price tag, heavy advertising |
| 00:29 |
funkenstein_ |
people buy the price tag, not the weights |
| 00:29 |
Chicago |
o/ Hello |
| 00:29 |
mats |
hi |
| 00:29 |
decimation |
mats: yeah I think it came out a few weeks ago |
| 00:30 |
mats |
http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/08/beat-it/ lol |
| 00:30 |
assbot |
Beats Music Tells Users To Switch To Apple Music | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1CgelZW ) |
| 00:31 |
decimation |
mats: what is the cause of your pain? |
| 00:31 |
mats |
i believe its ulnar nerve entrapment |
| 00:33 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm telling you old arthiritic folk love topical tricyclic antidepressants to kill nerve pain, but if truly trapped knife may be an eventuality |
| 00:33 |
mats |
I want to know if there's an issue with continuing this regimen of aspirin and ibuprofen |
| 00:33 |
decimation |
mats: sucks. |
| 00:33 |
decimation |
most folks I know who have knee or back surgery tend to have poor results |
| 00:34 |
BingoBoingo |
mats: Do you have an ulcer yet? |
| 00:34 |
mats |
BingoBoingo: can i ask for that without a script? |
| 00:34 |
Chicago |
mats, I had the left ulnar nerve released in 2010 and still do the meds. They're really not so helpful. |
| 00:35 |
Chicago |
(intramuscular release) |
| 00:35 |
BingoBoingo |
mats: You'd need a script, and you'd need a compounding pharmacy to fill the script. |
| 00:35 |
mats |
the meds are not helpful, or the release was not helpful? |
| 00:37 |
Chicago |
mats, The release was done and may be needed again in the future. I still have the numbness in 4th and 5th digits of the left hand once in a while (but not as bad as the constant it was prior). The meds though, I think are more for my comfort and not a real treatment. They're not solving anything. |
| 00:37 |
Chicago |
Prior to the release, I couldn't feel the keyboard underneath my fingers for 6 months. |
| 00:38 |
mats |
a fairly common outcome, i think |
| 00:39 |
mats |
maybe its time for us to learn typing with feet |
| 00:39 |
cazalla |
gee you guys must spend a lot of time jacking it to require surgery |
| 00:40 |
BingoBoingo |
If you find a doctor who can help you go with a heavier topical preparation you can also switch out from ibuprofen to something like diclofenac which is too antiinflammatory to take orally |
| 00:40 |
Chicago |
I adapted my workstation heavily. So the change has made a difference in comfort. Now, the desk is about 36" deep and I can rest my arm on it and the keyboard sits deep too. |
| 00:40 |
Chicago |
So there is room to have uniform pressure on the lower part of the arm. |
| 00:41 |
Chicago |
cazalla, wrong arm |
| 00:41 |
mats |
BingoBoingo: no ulcer yet |
| 00:41 |
cazalla |
Chicago, ah you don't use both arms? |
| 00:41 |
mats |
lo |
| 00:41 |
Chicago |
Just my mouth, both feet and my right fist. |
| 00:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22426 @ 0.00043022 = 9.6481 BTC [-] {2} |
| 00:42 |
Chicago |
mats, I know I've taken the Norco bottle and thrown it _far_ away from me in the past. |
| 00:43 |
Chicago |
Sometimes its just too much medicine and I'd like to crap once in a while. |
| 00:43 |
mats |
http://time.com/3926593/charleston-killer-flags/ |
| 00:43 |
assbot |
Charleston: The Meaning of the Suspected Killer's Flags on Facebook ... ( http://bit.ly/1flJTc6 ) |
| 00:44 |
Chicago |
mats, Does the alleged shooter look autistic to you? |
| 00:44 |
cazalla |
i'd bet this guy was a /pol/ack |
| 00:44 |
Chicago |
(with the small jaw and all) |
| 00:46 |
mats |
no the only remarkable thing about this guy is the bowl cut |
| 00:47 |
mats |
id probably go on a shooting spree too |
| 00:47 |
mats |
this guy was a victim of bullying for sure |
| 00:48 |
mats |
no doubt by some nigs |
| 00:48 |
cazalla |
nah, he just wanted to beat brevik's high score and failed miserably |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
what about that azn guy who shot up virginia state |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
somehow the media didn't talk much about him |
| 00:54 |
cazalla |
he was all over it decimation |
| 00:55 |
cazalla |
that one came close but still.. no brevik |
| 00:56 |
decimation |
well, as yarvin pointed out, brevik struck at the king and failed to kill him |
| 00:57 |
mats |
Is that supposed to be a reference to the wire |
| 00:57 |
Vexual |
alf+lsd=? |
| 00:57 |
cazalla |
mats, you best not miss eh? |
| 00:57 |
Vexual |
moores law gets orbited? |
| 00:57 |
decimation |
nah it's machiavelli |
| 00:58 |
mats |
im uncultured |
| 00:58 |
mats |
night |
| 01:09 |
cazalla |
anyway here is the dumb and dumber guy's archived facebook https://archive.is/LM2Tt |
| 01:09 |
assbot |
Dylann Roof ... ( http://bit.ly/1flLvTj ) |
| 01:09 |
cazalla |
lol when all his friends are black |
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| 01:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00044518 = 6.6777 BTC [+] |
| 01:43 |
BingoBoingo |
technically |
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| 02:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00042886 = 7.8481 BTC [-] {5} |
| 02:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00045121 = 13.9649 BTC [+] {4} |
| 02:58 |
cazalla |
jesus fucking christ copypaste, this shit is on every fucking tv station and newspaper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38OZ8ZRsC_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPDvqqarymg |
| 02:58 |
assbot |
8chan theproject - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZ2asx ) |
| 02:58 |
assbot |
8chan 7news - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZ2asz ) |
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| 03:15 |
punkman |
where did those aussie pics come from, just random posters? |
| 03:26 |
copypaste |
cazalla: lol i saw one where they said 8chan was shut down |
| 03:32 |
cazalla |
punkman, i assume the girls share the pics themselves or their boyfriends take em and share with their mates |
| 03:32 |
cazalla |
copypaste, i wouldn't be surprised if they use this bullshit to block 8chan from aus |
| 03:34 |
cazalla |
they're pushing through laws to allow blacklists to stop piracy so no doubt they'll use that to expand to other sites |
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| 04:03 |
copypaste |
cazalla: well the board creator of /aus/ |
| 04:03 |
copypaste |
remember it's like reddit |
| 04:03 |
copypaste |
is a pussy so he deleted the thread after seeing al the news haha |
| 04:03 |
copypaste |
he made a sticky about it |
| 04:03 |
copypaste |
i backed it up tho |
| 04:04 |
cazalla |
well given it's illegal to even view them, i'll stick to /pol/ |
| 04:05 |
copypaste |
under which law? |
| 04:05 |
cazalla |
i don't know specifically (perhap it isn't even illegal) |
| 04:05 |
copypaste |
i'm not even sure it's illegal in Aus to host them |
| 04:06 |
copypaste |
immoral? perhaps (even i don't think it's immoral) |
| 04:06 |
copypaste |
illegal? how? |
| 04:06 |
copypaste |
they flipped their shit when i told them in the US that if their boyfriends took the pictures that means the boyfriends own the pictures and only they can write DMCAs |
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| 04:06 |
cazalla |
not even so much immoral, the women took the pics themselves and this idea 17 year olds are children but 18 year olds are adults is beyond retarded |
| 04:06 |
copypaste |
being the subject of a picture has no bearing on anything |
| 04:07 |
copypaste |
most of them are obviously overage |
| 04:07 |
copypaste |
fat ugly whores the vast majority. i flipped through out of curiosity. |
| 04:07 |
cazalla |
well i wouldn't know on account that i've not viewed them |
| 04:07 |
copypaste |
hehe of couse. |
| 04:07 |
cazalla |
but most australian women are massive sluts |
| 04:07 |
cazalla |
(not complaining) |
| 04:07 |
copypaste |
i had no choice but to look considering the reports come to me. |
| 04:07 |
copypaste |
and some had been uploaded to the site, of course. |
| 04:08 |
cazalla |
anyway they're blaming teenage boys but how are they to know it's boys sharing these images? could be gender fluid lesbians for all they know |
| 04:08 |
copypaste |
hehe |
| 04:09 |
cazalla |
australian wasn't even like this 20 years ago.. i was a teenager in the late 90s and there was none of this |
| 04:09 |
cazalla |
australia even.. |
| 04:10 |
cazalla |
this moral panic has come about in the past 10 or so years |
| 04:11 |
copypaste |
it's amusing how people are still adjusting to the internet |
| 04:12 |
copypaste |
you are giving younger and younger kids cameras connected to a network at all times |
| 04:12 |
copypaste |
what do you expect to happen? |
| 04:13 |
mats |
can't sleep |
| 04:13 |
fluffypony |
http://i.imgur.com/2zYd2CE.jpg |
| 04:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1J7sjVU ) |
| 04:13 |
mats |
i have been considering the possibility of .cn backing the hard fork |
| 04:14 |
mats |
if it happens they will have implicitly admitted that their humint indicates nobody else is even close to running a comparable plurality of compute power |
| 04:16 |
mats |
https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/pkitutorial.pdf << picked up from BingoBoingo's link earlier, "Everything you Never Wanted to Know about PKI but were Forced to Find Out" |
| 04:16 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GvK11F ) |
| 04:17 |
cazalla |
copypaste, i'm not even so sure the young girls they interview are upset that their pics are out there but more so it isn't actually anything special once they're included in a directory of hundreds of other girls.. and they thought they were special! |
| 04:19 |
mats |
https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-people-s-republic-of-china-stop-the-yulin-dog-meat-eating-festival |
| 04:19 |
assbot |
Pétition · President of the People's Republic of China: STOP THE YULIN DOG MEAT EATING FESTIVAL · Change.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7sArO ) |
| 04:19 |
cazalla |
i'm sure mircea_popescu can explain the phenomenon |
| 04:20 |
mats |
http://blogs.technet.com/b/mmpc/archive/2015/06/18/understanding-type-confusion-vulnerabilities-cve-2015-0336.aspx |
| 04:20 |
assbot |
Understanding type confusion vulnerabilities: CVE-2015-0336 - Microsoft Malware Protection Center - Site Home - TechNet Blogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7sD6Y ) |
| 04:21 |
cazalla |
mats, have you had dog before? |
| 04:21 |
mats |
no, but i'd try it if offered |
| 04:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00044844 = 16.4802 BTC [-] |
| 04:21 |
mats |
although i suspect it'd be a lot like eating bear |
| 04:21 |
mats |
extra gamey |
| 04:21 |
cazalla |
what?! (yeah i'd give it a try) |
| 04:22 |
cazalla |
you've had bear? |
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| 04:22 |
mats |
yeah |
| 04:22 |
mats |
would not recommend |
| 04:23 |
cazalla |
how do you cook bear? |
| 04:23 |
copypaste |
lol are you russian |
| 04:23 |
copypaste |
maybe canadian |
| 04:23 |
cazalla |
he's asian (chinese yeah?) |
| 04:23 |
mats |
i dunno, my buddy is an outdoorsman and offered it to me |
| 04:23 |
mats |
he did all the prep |
| 04:24 |
mats |
made it like you'd normally do a steak |
| 04:24 |
cazalla |
well everyone does their steak a bit different |
| 04:25 |
mats |
he put it in the oven and then seared it on a pan |
| 04:25 |
mats |
i've heard a lot of varying things about it, i might try bear again if offered |
| 04:26 |
mats |
my buddy describes it as being savory and sweet |
| 04:26 |
cazalla |
i wish we had more kangeroo products on offer down under |
| 04:27 |
mats |
aren't they usually infested? |
| 04:28 |
cazalla |
no idea, most butchers (not many butchers around either these days) don't carry it |
| 04:28 |
cazalla |
they do export a bit of it though |
| 04:29 |
punkman |
I tried a frozen kangaroo steak, I imagine a good quality piece won't be bad at all |
| 04:29 |
mats |
i can't think of many things i wouldn't try at least once |
| 04:29 |
mats |
cricket burger was very tasty and changed my outlook on new things |
| 04:30 |
punkman |
where the crickets mashed into a patty? |
| 04:30 |
mats |
yep |
| 04:30 |
punkman |
wasn't it all crunch? |
| 04:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20835 @ 0.00045652 = 9.5116 BTC [+] {2} |
| 04:31 |
mats |
there was a little crunch but i think there was some other filler in there |
| 04:31 |
mats |
like eggplant or something |
| 04:31 |
cazalla |
never had it but i imagine it taste like prawn heads (love eating those after i've mashed em to make stock for tom yum goong) |
| 04:31 |
mats |
ended up tasting like a fairly decent approximation |
| 04:31 |
mats |
like tofurkey |
| 04:32 |
cazalla |
TIL about tofurkey |
| 04:32 |
cazalla |
not sure i'd eat that.. not a fan of tofu |
| 04:32 |
mats |
you'll never be fooled into thinking its meat, but i rather like meat substitutes for their flavors |
| 04:33 |
mats |
soy and gluten are very good as bases and soak up whatever you put on em |
| 04:34 |
cazalla |
rather use something like beans or lentils |
| 04:35 |
mats |
is it the texture that you don't like about tofu? |
| 04:36 |
punkman |
even the asian imports guy around here doesn't carry tofu, dunno why |
| 04:50 |
cazalla |
mats, not so much the texture but the taste.. it's just bland (or maybe i've only ever had shitty tofu) |
| 04:50 |
Naphex |
looking for ad spots for xotika.tv. /msg |
| 04:51 |
mats |
i'd say its subtle rather than bland |
| 04:51 |
mats |
with the real, high quality stuff, can eat it plain |
| 04:51 |
mats |
tofu is kind of an analogue for real chinese cuisine |
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| 04:52 |
mats |
there's a much bigger emphasis on subtlety thats often misinterpreted as blandness by foreigners whose palettes are accustomed to american chinese food |
| 04:53 |
mats |
fried and heavily salted shit, strong flavors like 'orange chicken', 'general tso's chicken', etc |
| 04:55 |
cazalla |
yeah my missus and her friend were raving over this yum cha place but i'd never go again, fkn msg on everything |
| 04:59 |
mats |
how can you tell |
| 04:59 |
mats |
msg presents differently in various things |
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| 05:00 |
mats |
i'd suggest testing it yourself but nobody ever wants to actually buy msg |
| 05:00 |
mats |
try some greens with msg and without, for example |
| 05:01 |
cazalla |
well i'm assuming it was MSG but i'm not a fan of it or overly salty shit and that's what it was |
| 05:01 |
mats |
i would not be able to identify msg as the culprit for the new flavor profile |
| 05:02 |
mats |
thats probably it, too much salt is a common complaint |
| 05:04 |
mats |
i think i'll have dim sum this weekend |
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| 05:39 |
punkman |
mats: i'd suggest testing it yourself but nobody ever wants to actually buy msg < I've bought a bag of msg, it's pretty great |
| 05:39 |
punkman |
too much and it ruins stuff of course |
| 05:51 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFbsXIyzP-s |
| 05:51 |
assbot |
The Boswell Sisters - Stop the sun, stop the moon (1932).wmv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SuR14a ) |
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| 06:45 |
kakobrekla |
Naphex how much do you charge? |
| 06:45 |
Naphex |
for what? |
| 06:45 |
kakobrekla |
ads? |
| 06:46 |
Naphex |
i want to place xotika ads, not the other way around :P |
| 06:46 |
kakobrekla |
ah |
| 06:46 |
kakobrekla |
well, you can buy a bitbet banner slot |
| 06:47 |
Naphex |
sounds good |
| 06:47 |
kakobrekla |
i think its 0.1 per slot per month if you are interested |
| 06:54 |
wyrdmantis |
I was asked if there is a "defense" plan to "isolate" the Bitcoin XT nodes or something similar. I thought this is a non-issue for you guys... |
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| 07:04 |
kakobrekla |
;;later tell mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/advertising.txt 4c1e5b8b96f489f49e8106a8d9994312d095e869d44599297d315873386ec21d |
| 07:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TAjTcF ) |
| 07:04 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
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| 09:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00043355 = 9.0178 BTC [-] |
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| 10:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00043801 = 13.6002 BTC [+] |
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| 11:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24943 @ 0.00043846 = 10.9365 BTC [+] {2} |
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| 13:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00043887 = 3.4232 BTC [+] |
| 13:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Derps herping because they don't know what Bitcoin is https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3aenx0/avoid_f2pool_they_are_incompetent_reckless_and/ |
| 13:17 |
assbot |
Avoid F2Pool: They are incompetent ,reckless and greedy! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lk4pXF ) |
| 13:17 |
BingoBoingo |
tldr: Pool implements a replace by fee patch, derps herp because it means People can double spend before the transaction is committed to a block! |
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| 13:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Actual mailing list post highlights that BitcoinXT's behavior is actually broken https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08422.html |
| 13:26 |
assbot |
[Bitcoin-development] F2Pool has enabled full replace-by-fee ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lk5JK8 ) |
| 13:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00043048 = 20.7061 BTC [-] {3} |
| 13:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5557 @ 0.00043887 = 2.4388 BTC [+] |
| 13:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23229 @ 0.00044922 = 10.4349 BTC [+] |
| 13:59 |
mats |
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189 |
| 13:59 |
assbot |
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnr4uX ) |
| 14:01 |
mats |
am a fan of locking and storing the bolt carrier group and actual weapon separately |
| 14:01 |
scoopbot_revived |
Epidemiology is hard to follow. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/ |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:07 |
ascii_field |
mats: do you at least have a bayonet? or plan to bludgeon intruder with the butt of the bolt-less rifle ? |
| 14:08 |
mats |
not hard to detect an intruder, and there are easy ways to fashion fatal funnels to defender's advantage |
| 14:09 |
mats |
could knife the fella or just put the weapon together, takes less than 30s to unlock and load |
| 14:10 |
ascii_field |
mats: try to think like usg. police show up, you are alive and slum bunny is dead. prosecutor: 'proof that he had the bolt in. otherwise he oughta be dead.' |
| 14:12 |
mats |
so? |
| 14:12 |
ascii_field |
so fuck usg. |
| 14:13 |
mats |
usg is the only actor id be worried about breaching my home |
| 14:13 |
ascii_field |
and you keep the bolt out? |
| 14:13 |
mats |
few hoods know to bring four dudes and clear corners |
| 14:13 |
ascii_field |
why not keep white flag instead of rifle then ? |
| 14:14 |
ascii_field |
for rapid surrender |
| 14:14 |
mats |
good idea |
| 14:14 |
ascii_field |
what purpose is served by 'bolt separately' other than to satisfy inspectors ? |
| 14:15 |
mats |
protect kids from their parents, mostly |
| 14:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3188 @ 0.00044922 = 1.4321 BTC [+] |
| 14:17 |
ascii_field |
[insert mircea_popescu's article re: 'married men' here] |
| 14:20 |
jurov |
heh. so they should be striked out of gun violence stats, got it |
| 14:20 |
mats |
http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/2015/06/owning-internet-printing-case-study-in.html |
| 14:20 |
assbot |
Project Zero: Owning Internet Printing - A Case Study in Modern Software Exploitation ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnugXa ) |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
menahem what's being a hit mean ? |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/ |
| 14:25 |
assbot |
Index of /wp-content/themes/trilema/images ... ( http://bit.ly/1ev8sTW ) |
| 14:27 |
menahem |
mircea_popescu - you're a smash, very popular. :D |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
but how do you know this ? |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the metric ? something. |
| 14:28 |
trinque |
https://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8803721/charleston-terrorism-racism << quick on the draw, aren't they? |
| 14:28 |
assbot |
Why calling the Charleston shooting terrorism is important to so many people - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnvSR0 ) |
| 14:28 |
menahem |
oh i posted a screenshot, lemme find it |
| 14:28 |
trinque |
and look, backed up by tweets! |
| 14:28 |
mats |
uniques, the currency of the internets |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla o hey cool beans eh. |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
im uniquely smashing! |
| 14:29 |
menahem |
first day of going live: http://screencast.com/t/5Y30zCpvFu |
| 14:29 |
assbot |
2015-06-19_0007 - Saucal's library ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnw2rr ) |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
menahem so is that "130 people checked it out 0 bought" ? |
| 14:30 |
menahem |
ecommerce tracking wasn't added until last night |
| 14:30 |
menahem |
we had 1 sale of the MP tee :D |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
haha cool. |
| 14:31 |
menahem |
i monetized you. :) |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
do i get royalities ? |
| 14:31 |
menahem |
haha, free banner ads. |
| 14:32 |
menahem |
https://koinswag.com/shop/bitcoin-t-shirt/mpex-bitcoin-t-shirt/ |
| 14:32 |
assbot |
MPEx Bitcoin T-Shirt - KOIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnwvK8 ) |
| 14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol ok |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
if it ever makes you rich, donate to teh bitcoin foundation |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://thebitcoin.foundation/treasurer_contract.html |
| 14:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GnwTs8 ) |
| 14:36 |
menahem |
that I will do. |
| 14:36 |
menahem |
i'll def take some responsibility to fund that in the future. |
| 14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
| 14:51 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:52 |
* |
ascii_field tried last night to backport 'dumpprivkey' and 'importprivkey' from phoundation-0.7 and found that relevant data structures are entirely different |
| 14:53 |
ascii_field |
i.e. thoroughly gavinized |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, this is why 0.7 was right off when we discussed the branch |
| 14:55 |
ascii_field |
also how the fuck did anyone use bitcoin for serious battlefield operation prior to dump-/importprivkey ? |
| 14:55 |
mod6 |
yah. for now w, i'm told this works as a temp fix: <shinohai> https://github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet |
| 14:55 |
assbot |
jackjack-jj/pywallet · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnzXEE ) |
| 14:55 |
ascii_field |
iirc there was an external kludge that walked db ? |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody serious to my knowledge has used this software as-is. |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
kind-of why the blind insistence / pretense put forth by the power rangers is so amusing to me |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
seriously, anyone gives a shit abvout what you release ? as anything other than toilet reading material ? when did that happen ? |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
they keep pretending like oh, the miners bla bla. nobody, ever, actually used the shit raw. because you can't, because obvious reasons. |
| 14:58 |
mod6 |
ascii_field tried last night to backport 'dumpprivkey' and 'importprivkey' from phoundation-0.7 and found that relevant data structures are entirely different << yeah, i found the same thing back 5-6 months ago when trying to do the same thing. glad there seems to be a workaround, i'm told. |
| 14:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00044933 = 11.368 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:04 |
mod6 |
anyway, I haven't had a chance yet to try out the pywallet.py thing myself; ascii_field lettuce know if it works for ya plz. |
| 15:04 |
mod6 |
shinohai said it worked for him. |
| 15:04 |
shinohai |
@ mod6 worked for me |
| 15:04 |
mod6 |
^ :] |
| 15:04 |
shinohai |
>.> |
| 15:05 |
shinohai |
That is just a hacky thing to me though. Definitely not a full scale solution. |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
!up hazirafel_ |
| 15:06 |
mod6 |
in the case of pywallet.py, it looks like you just have to --dumpwallet, instead of being able to feed it a pub address and getting out a privkey right? |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
sooner or later everyone ends up with a full bitcoin data manipulator built in their favourite language, python or not. |
| 15:06 |
hazirafel_ |
thanks. |
| 15:06 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: yah |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
it'd be nice if the reference client provided this, however, what with thew "accounts" bullshit and etc in there, i doubt it'll be this decade. |
| 15:08 |
* |
funkenstein_ considers bitaddress.org + coinb.in on offline box the reference wallet |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167863 << this would be a technically correct argument :D |
| 15:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 19:53:19; nubbins`: unfortunately mp just left so he is unable to inform us that the hallucinogenic effects of drugs don't exist and we're deluding ourselves into pretending to be hallucinating |
| 15:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19344 @ 0.00044836 = 8.6731 BTC [-] |
| 15:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00042727 = 3.9736 BTC [-] |
| 15:16 |
shinohai |
Then once I figure out how to produce these hallucinogenic effects at will in my mind, I shall sell the secrets on Agora and dry it all up. |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167881 << so did the gal visiting last night... |
| 15:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 19:57:49; mats: all i did was walk around naked |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167889 << and suddenly another utility of crate of benjies becomes apparent. |
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| 15:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 20:05:17; ascii_field: trinque: always wanted to try this, but never came close to accessing the dope |
| 15:19 |
trinque |
heh |
| 15:21 |
hazirafel_ |
don't know if this is a good place to ask, but here ... i'm code literate in java , and i really want to learn to know my way around fiddling with blockchains and bitcoin, i would love advice on places to start and where to get help and information. i guess i need to learn C first but i'm looking for more advice. thanks! |
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| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167905 << and did he immediately sack the comissioner of police ? |
| 15:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 20:07:16; ascii_field: they machine-gunned his dogs |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
and only agreed to hire a replacewment once the replacement swore he is firing every single lieutenant in the department ? |
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| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167978 << and strangely enough, this ISNT'T the top of social media. |
| 15:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 20:26:10; nubbins`: https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2026 |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
instead, they're preoccupied with the liberty problems of trans-idiots. |
| 15:26 |
mats |
magic mushrooms make me want to poop myself during the entire experience |
| 15:27 |
hazirafel_ |
i forgot i read that being nice on the internet makes people think you're stupid. any fucking help bit-assholes? |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168010 << this is drastically not how it works. an equivalent of this approach would be "was with a girl dressed in a skirt, had blow job". |
| 15:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 20:34:36; ascii_field: nubbins`: can then say 'i took 5ug and discovered proof of goldbach's conjecture' or 'i took 500 and learned that thirty-three is purple' |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
sooooo ? |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
hazirafel_ what do you need help with ? |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
an' who're you anyway ? |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
oh the java c thing. |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
hazirafel_ listen, there is no practical way to understand anything relevant re bitcoin without actually reading the code. and the code is c++. you will have to do this as a first step. |
| 15:30 |
hazirafel_ |
ok cool. i've been reading the developers guid |
| 15:30 |
hazirafel_ |
e |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the alternative, if you are a business person, is to have a programmer "read it to you", but this is expensive and rare a tradecraft, so. expect to spend the next year laying groundowkr, mostly in terms oif reading the codebase and wondering at the wonders of c++ |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem with reading the developer guide is the same problem with reading mark twain, the cliff notes. |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
a) not in any sense funny and b) very dangerous, ion that it offers you the illusion of having understood (through recognition mostly) but no actual understanding. which is how people end up writing insecure applications |
| 15:31 |
hazirafel_ |
who am i? :my name is sarah, i live in the 'holy land' , i did some programming courses in collage but bitcoin actually motivates me to learn the nuts and bolts, was looking around the net, saw a recommendation of this cha |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
(this is true generally, not just here) |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
!gettrust hazirafel_ |
| 15:32 |
assbot |
hazirafel_ is not registered in WoT. |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
!h |
| 15:32 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
also, start there. |
| 15:33 |
hazirafel_ |
mircea you |
| 15:33 |
hazirafel_ |
mircea you're talking about the developers guide? |
| 15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
aha ? |
| 15:34 |
hazirafel_ |
yeah i need to register. ok so you're saying learn c++ and read the source code? |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
one can drive the other. |
| 15:35 |
hazirafel_ |
any recommendations for learning c++? how much time do you think is needed for basics? are questions welcome on this chat? |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
also meet Adlai. he's also from the jdif. |
| 15:35 |
hazirafel_ |
i see |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
questions are welcome, a reasonably intelligent & cultured person (which means 1% of ivy league) should be able to complete this in a year. |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!up hazirafel_ |
| 15:37 |
jurov |
for c++ there's alway the K&R canon |
| 15:37 |
hazirafel_ |
ehh... complete learning C++ or bitcoin literate ? Ivy League doesn't mean shit necessarily, from the people i've met |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
well yeah, but i don't know you, and so i have nfi what reference points to use, and so... |
| 15:38 |
jurov |
otherwise, learning programming is mostly individual affair |
| 15:38 |
jurov |
you can expect some false starts before you find material suitable to you |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and, "sufficient proficiency in both c++ and bitcoin so as to be able to follow all the discussion here, and only say something stupid 50% of the time and less, and understand why it's stupid once explained 90% of the time or more" |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
which is my idea of "basics" |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ymmv |
| 15:40 |
mod6 |
the logs (see /topic ) have a wealth of knowledge too. the last 6-12 months are worth a read. |
| 15:40 |
hazirafel_ |
what is mostly discusses here? |
| 15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
porn, actually. |
| 15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, k&r is prolly how one should start cpp |
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| 15:41 |
hazirafel_ |
thank you |
| 15:43 |
trinque |
davout: saw your feedback re: going through deeds by author. sounds great; I'll try to find time for that |
| 15:43 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168746 << k&r concerns exclusively c.. |
| 15:43 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 19:41:25; mircea_popescu: but yes, k&r is prolly how one should start cpp |
| 15:44 |
ascii_field |
cpp is introduced in stroustrup but this in turn breathes not a word re: 'boost' etc |
| 15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field her starting point was java. |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
which i suspect is actually the result of just how broken school is these days. |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
hazirafel_ how old are you ? |
| 15:48 |
hazirafel_ |
26 |
| 15:48 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#626237 |
| 15:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
aha ok. |
| 15:49 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168692 << only of utility to folks with nonzero 'street wot.' |
| 15:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 19:19:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167889 << and suddenly another utility of crate of benjies becomes apparent. |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody was born with it alfie. |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it was built, by people, through the process of taking risks. |
| 15:49 |
ascii_field |
no but it typically happens in childhood. |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
not so. |
| 15:49 |
ascii_field |
the relevant brain circuits, i mean |
| 15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
didn't you grow up like sane people, in a sovblok urban development with 1k kids your age / acre and no tv to speak of ? |
| 15:50 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: yes but was then moved to usa where was nearly total hermit since age ~9 |
| 15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
9 is old enough. |
| 15:50 |
shinohai |
The blockchain is sacred. Don't fuck with it ala Gavin |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
let the unfortunate nato schmucks grown on facebook complain of "brain circuitry" |
| 15:51 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168698 << iirc it was state police |
| 15:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 19:21:48; mircea_popescu: and only agreed to hire a replacewment once the replacement swore he is firing every single lieutenant in the department ? |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field does not matter who it was. |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
"your job is to defend, me first of all. you failed. go try your hand at garbage moving." |
| 15:51 |
ascii_field |
^ matters in the sense that mayor of city of college park cannot fire md state police |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
he fires the people he has, |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
not the offenders. |
| 15:52 |
ascii_field |
fires them for failing to kill the state police? l0l! |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
if the line is breached, the officers decimate THEIR infantry, not the enemy's |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
even tho it was THE ENEMY that ~actually~ did it. |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"what were you doing during ???" |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field caring is for idiots. |
| 15:52 |
ascii_field |
when the muppets open up on one another, i promise to wake up mircea_popescu. though it might have to be over spark-gap radio |
| 15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just what you do. |
| 15:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27226 @ 0.00042727 = 11.6329 BTC [-] |
| 15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"where were you ? bang." |
| 15:53 |
ascii_field |
where was the thread where mircea_popescu observed, 'if they weren't dumb shits we would not even be having this line of thought' ? |
| 15:53 |
ascii_field |
applies. |
| 15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
| 15:54 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168695 << why not understand something simple first? like 'pkzip' |
| 15:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 19:21:25; hazirafel_: don't know if this is a good place to ask, but here ... i'm code literate in java , and i really want to learn to know my way around fiddling with blockchains and bitcoin, i would love advice on places to start and where to get help and information. i guess i need to learn C first but i'm looking for more advice. thanks! |
| 15:55 |
ascii_field |
for some reason i can't help but recall the kidz of 1990s who always began with 'where do i learn to write a game like 'doom' ?' |
| 15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
because something large is always moire interesting. |
| 15:55 |
hazirafel_ |
what can i say |
| 15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
most kids get into programming because they want to make a mmorpg. |
| 15:55 |
hazirafel_ |
that's a great motivation |
| 15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
which, and i say from bitter experience, is just as large a task as making an os, and so... the largest class there is. |
| 15:56 |
ascii_field |
but when you tell them 'write a 1980s-style MUD first' they balk |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
they should. |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
and you'll notice i never tell 'em that. it's a stupid thing to say. |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"how do i get the girl i love ?" "get some sluts first" |
| 15:56 |
ascii_field |
why? |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
what is he, me ? |
| 15:56 |
mod6 |
haha |
| 15:57 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827603 << obligatory thread |
| 15:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-09-2014 15:39:53; asciilifeform: every time i see the bed of nails i think of the soviet caricature |
| 15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
so there you go. |
| 15:58 |
hazirafel_ |
you have a point, if i had the inclination into codeing needing to be block-chain literate i would of be swimming in it by my age... maybe |
| 15:58 |
hazirafel_ |
*needed |
| 16:00 |
ascii_field |
but in this case i do not think it is unreasonable to ask kid to learn wtf programming even means, prior to writing 'doom' |
| 16:00 |
trinque |
ascii_field: LOL @ "start small" |
| 16:00 |
hazirafel_ |
in which i mean, liking programming enough. |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hazirafel_ it's really a lot like racing. to be into racing more than someone cheering in the stands / swimsuit model crowding the finish line, you gotta take an engine apart. grease and all. |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
just what it is. |
| 16:00 |
ascii_field |
^ |
| 16:00 |
ascii_field |
!s camel has two humps |
| 16:00 |
assbot |
7 results for 'camel has two humps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=camel+has+two+humps |
| 16:00 |
hazirafel_ |
well yeah |
| 16:01 |
ascii_field |
^ many would-be 'doom' authors discover that they can't actually stomach the very notion of a machine which behaves precisely as instructed and not 'as intentioned' |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
the advantage is that c++ grease doesn't irritate the skin. the disadvantage is that well... this thing has i would estimate about 10 to 100x more moving parts than a car, |
| 16:01 |
ascii_field |
(this may be the ultimate psychological group divide) |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
and the relationships a good two layers deeper/more complex. |
| 16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field that's nothing but the infancy/adulthood divide. it's not a personal descriptor |
| 16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
other than "this adult exhibits intellectual neoteny". |
| 16:02 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: recall the little quiz, where the kidz who made consistent errors usually passed the next 4 years, while of the shooters in the dark - none did |
| 16:03 |
ascii_field |
(all of these with no prior experience programming) |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
even so. |
| 16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, "the proportion of female faces that are more feminine than the most feminine male faces is much greater than the proportion of male faces that are more masculine than the most masculine female faces." |
| 16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently recent research actually settles this point |
| 16:04 |
shinohai |
https://i.imgur.com/0gGQIg5.jpg |
| 16:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1fmChGb ) |
| 16:06 |
hazirafel_ |
i did this course where i wrote in java for 30 hours a week, i have no problem doing it, no pain, didn't love it, it was mildley fun . my problem was organization, i expect it's much worse in C , but i could see it as a motivation for thinking in a more organized way. |
| 16:06 |
hazirafel_ |
mireca i didn't get your comment about the kidz and the errors |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
my who now ? |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
!up hazirafel_ |
| 16:07 |
hazirafel_ |
"mircea_popescu: recall the little quiz, where the kidz who made consistent errors usually passed the next 4 years, while of the shooters in the dark - none did [23:02] <+ascii_field> (all of these with no prior experience programming)" |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
he said it, and directed it at me, which is why my name is in there. |
| 16:08 |
ascii_field |
hazirafel_: this is related to a very old article, entitled 'the camel has two humps' |
| 16:08 |
shinohai |
Well those kids learned what *doesn't* work |
| 16:08 |
trinque |
wiki.t-o-f.info/uploads/EDM4600/The camel has two humps.pdf |
| 16:08 |
ascii_field |
which argued convincingly that a certain essential skill for learning to program cannot actually be taught |
| 16:09 |
mod6 |
hazirafel_: along with the logs: trilema.com if you don't already |
| 16:09 |
trinque |
obviously paste the whole thing; escape codes didn't make it in |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field incidentally, i suspect the dataset there has a major flaw. to model it : two classes of brothel patrons. class A comes to reception, asks "do the girls here to X ?" ; class B comes to reception, asks "what can girls here do for me ?" |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
which of the two do you propose are more likely to spend money ? |
| 16:09 |
fluffypony |
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/how-to-blow-6-billion-on-a-tech-project/ |
| 16:09 |
assbot |
How to blow $6 billion on a tech project | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnJNGK ) |
| 16:10 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: the latter ? |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
necessarily. the latter propose to select from the set given, the former have a preformed set they compare to. |
| 16:10 |
ascii_field |
'what can they do? -- wash cars. -- ok, my car is dusty, let's wash' |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
now, which would you say is likely to contain the largest proportion of intelligent people ? |
| 16:11 |
ascii_field |
fluffypony: winblows ce! in that photo. look carefully |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony haha. nothing of the stealth plane yet huh. |
| 16:11 |
fluffypony |
I know, lol |
| 16:12 |
ascii_field |
'When JTRS started, software-defined radio (SDR) was still in its infancy. The project's SCA architecture allowed software to manipulate field-programmable gate arrays (FPGAs) in the radio hardware to reconfigure how its electronics functioned, exposing those FPGAs as CORBA objects. But when development began, hardware implementations of CORBA for FPGAs didn’t really exist in any standard form.' << giga-l0l! |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field to round up what i mean, class A are perhaps "the shooters in the dark". which means, they have an idea what they want, and programming [as taught] fails to satisfy [which is the fault of the teachers]. |
| 16:13 |
ascii_field |
as if fpga has ~ever~ (at least since '92 or so) been 'exposed' as anything but the blackest of black boxes |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
this is then mis-represented as "there's something wrong wit hthe patrons" |
| 16:14 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: iirc the author of 'camels' did investigate what the 'shooters in dark' had in common - and in all cases, it was an inability to comprehend that the machine is entirely blind to human intent, and to build meaningful mental models of purely mechanistic systems as a class |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
but my proposition is that perhaps he found this because it's what he wanted to find. |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe all the patrons in class A happen to be white |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
and incompetent pinoy brothel owner decides "gringos are assholes" |
| 16:15 |
ascii_field |
possible |
| 16:15 |
ascii_field |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/google-to-remove-revenge-porn-search-results << moar lulz |
| 16:15 |
assbot |
Google to remove revenge porn search results | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnKtf6 ) |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
not "our brothel really fucking sucks, who ever heard of this" |
| 16:16 |
hazirafel_ |
dose extensive experience with Asperger people count? |
| 16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
count in what ? |
| 16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168033 << wait, you think anyone drinks specified purity caffeine in their coffee ?! |
| 16:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 20:38:16; ascii_field: would you tolerate this with coffee? booze ? |
| 16:18 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: i specified 'coffee does not vary by order of magnitude' |
| 16:18 |
ascii_field |
(for one thing, if it did, you would typically be dead after a few pulls of the roulette trigger) |
| 16:18 |
hazirafel_ |
comprehending machines, i guess i'm kidding |
| 16:18 |
trinque |
hazirafel_: those types tend to do what they're told; wouldn't call it understanding |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't it the case caffeine tolerance actually builds to degrees of magnitude ? |
| 16:19 |
trinque |
*comprehending |
| 16:19 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: different animal vs. 'roll dice to decide how many zeros appear in front of the milligram figure' |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess. |
| 16:19 |
* |
mircea_popescu has really nfi what's out there re lsd purity |
| 16:20 |
ascii_field |
ditto for something like, e.g., an ordinary cig |
| 16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
well ok, getting 2 grams of nicotine would put you out |
| 16:20 |
ascii_field |
if it could just as easily contain 1g as 1mg of nicotine, it would be a suicide device |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much |
| 16:21 |
trinque |
this is why you should have friends more reckless than you are |
| 16:21 |
trinque |
when it doesn't kill them, great |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
or children |
| 16:21 |
trinque |
heh! |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, this is WHY children are reckless. |
| 16:21 |
ascii_field |
http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3ae3wn/guy_was_ordered_to_give_his_ex_half_of_the_stuff/? << in other nyooz |
| 16:21 |
assbot |
Guy was ordered to give his ex half of the stuff after divorce. Well, he did. : WTF ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnLfsu ) |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
historically, what they've been used for. |
| 16:24 |
ascii_field |
as a boy, i saw a '80s sov. film where a couple split up their possessions with gigantic laser |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168051 << he has a point tho. you are aboput as likely to get 10 doses in one as you are to get 55 cups of latte for ordering 5. |
| 16:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 20:42:01; *: ascii_field wonders why nubbins` is publicly begging lizard hitler to order his mail opened and tested |
| 16:24 |
ascii_field |
and ended with objects like these |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, people who sell very weak stuff prolly lose their custom |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
so, it may vary but it won't vary as drastically as you propose. prolly more in line with coffee/caffeine. |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:25 |
ascii_field |
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Halber-Motorradhelm-/00/s/MTAyNFg3Njg=/z/~oIAAOSwl8NVbcHr/$_57.JPG << win |
| 16:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GnLT9s ) |
| 16:26 |
ascii_field |
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Halbes-Apple-MacBook-Pro-/00/s/OTAwWDEyMDA=/z/I4gAAOSwsLtVevMs/$_57.JPG << ultra-portable laptop for ben_vulpes ? |
| 16:26 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GnLXG5 ) |
| 16:26 |
mod6 |
haha |
| 16:28 |
trinque |
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Halber-Opel-Corsa-/201368555436?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item2ee2804fac |
| 16:28 |
assbot |
Halber Opel Corsa | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1fmDVHP ) |
| 16:28 |
trinque |
oh that's good |
| 16:28 |
trinque |
marriage, not even once... |
| 16:29 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/are-prosecutors-using-a-gag-order-to-search-for-reason-com-commenters << take a guess who isn't mentioned |
| 16:29 |
assbot |
Are prosecutors using a gag order to search for Reason.com commenters? | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1fmE4v0 ) |
| 16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168104 << all this c0khaet!1 |
| 16:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 21:31:46; cazalla: ah i think she's attractive, just has that mousy look.. no cocks either! maybe mp could learn a thing or two from you :P |
| 16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field obama. |
| 16:34 |
shinohai |
@ trinque "marriage, not even once" <<< My motto |
| 16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168137 << yes. a large number of people do, who all seem to be lookingfor the same thing. "someone with experience with gpgtools for mac" |
| 16:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 22:12:43; ag3nt_zer0: does anyone have experience with gpgtools for mac? |
| 16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i suspect what they mean is, "someone with experience with crapple software that doesn't suck" |
| 16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
may be a bridge too far, too thin, too short and too fallen in the water too long ago. |
| 16:35 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: and by 'for mac' they almost always mean 'using mac gui' |
| 16:36 |
ascii_field |
(normal shell-only gpg builds fine on mac) |
| 16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and now, ima go play some eulora. bbl! |
| 16:38 |
thestringpuller |
I suspekt the second you put priv keys on a mac they go straight ot the secret iCloud. |
| 16:45 |
shinohai |
@ thestringpuller i had a pm from a guy using a mac last night using gpg on a mac (gui) I couldn't help because I know dick about macs. |
| 16:47 |
trinque |
shinohai: that macgpg thing seems like a wad of unnecessary crap |
| 16:48 |
trinque |
er no, "gpgtools" is the one I had in mind |
| 16:49 |
shinohai |
gpgtools was what he was using. I was drinking pernod and told him to fuck off and use linux basically |
| 16:49 |
shinohai |
I feel bad now |
| 16:49 |
trinque |
no, that's precisely the right response |
| 16:49 |
trinque |
I'll happily lead a noob through using the proper tools, but wont bother with someone who refuses to use the proper tools |
| 16:52 |
shinohai |
I tried to help him but I m hoplessly out of my element with other OS's no matter how hard I try |
| 16:54 |
mod6 |
<+trinque> no, that's precisely the right response << i wonder if its easier to just tell mac people to fire up a vm of linux/bsd and just use gpg inside of that? |
| 16:54 |
mod6 |
but overall, i agree. |
| 16:55 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:55 |
trinque |
mod6: maybe; I'd like to see a standard piece of hardware recommended at some point |
| |
↖ |
| 16:56 |
shinohai |
I have a shitty laptop that came with Win8, I wouldn't trade it for a Mac even if you added a few btc to the mix |
| 16:56 |
trinque |
I might buy one of the pcengines machines ascii_field pointed out soon |
| 16:56 |
shinohai |
I must add I put Debian Jessie on that laptop in place of 8 |
| 17:04 |
ascii_field |
trinque: keep in mind, those have no vga |
| 17:04 |
ascii_field |
nor does attaching one through the m-pcie slots appear to work |
| 17:05 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168936 << i cannot in good conscience recommend any presently-manufactured general-purpose pc box |
| 17:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 20:55:44; trinque: mod6: maybe; I'd like to see a standard piece of hardware recommended at some point |
| 17:05 |
trinque |
ascii_field: yeah I chose "pointed out" to keep from saying that's your recommended box |
| 17:06 |
ascii_field |
it is good for approximately same kind of uses as pogo |
| 17:06 |
ascii_field |
(but costs 5x more) |
| 17:06 |
trinque |
yeah, I'm thinking this would be a bitcoind dev/build box |
| 17:06 |
ascii_field |
trinque: so long as you're ok with operating over '80s-style terminal |
| 17:07 |
trinque |
ssh's fine by me |
| 17:07 |
trinque |
and was thinking of snagging decimation's terminal |
| 17:07 |
ascii_field |
trinque: are you also ok with building own bios ? |
| 17:07 |
ascii_field |
(iirc the one it ships with doesn't work) |
| 17:08 |
trinque |
I could probably manage |
| 17:08 |
trinque |
ah ok |
| 17:08 |
trinque |
what's the tooling to write to that run? |
| 17:08 |
ascii_field |
gcc |
| 17:08 |
ascii_field |
'coreboot' (formerly aka 'linuxbios') |
| 17:08 |
trinque |
I mean flashing the guy |
| 17:08 |
ascii_field |
spi |
| 17:09 |
trinque |
k |
| 17:09 |
ascii_field |
needless to say it's built around amd g-series chip. so when amd kisses good-bye, that's all for this box |
| 17:09 |
ascii_field |
in terms of estimating longevity |
| 17:10 |
ascii_field |
on account of amd's poor health, i see x86 as being very soon dead to me entirely |
| 17:12 |
trinque |
of late I collect two things; old computers/parts and PDFs |
| 17:12 |
trinque |
while they can be got, heh |
| 17:12 |
ascii_field |
pdf ? |
| 17:12 |
trinque |
tends to be the format for papers posted here |
| 17:13 |
ascii_field |
most 'old computer' catagory is worthless. |
| 17:14 |
shinohai |
There is no such thing as an obsolete computer in my mind, unless it is hopelessly fragmented by usg |
| 17:14 |
shinohai |
I just need to find a way to think around it. |
| 17:15 |
ascii_field |
the only thing more useless than a modern opaque turd is a 1990s opaque turd that no one is ~even working on~ reverse-engineering today |
| 17:15 |
ascii_field |
e.g., various old intel chipsets |
| 17:16 |
ascii_field |
i bought a spiffy-looking fanless 486 box some weeks ago, for playing gamez |
| 17:16 |
trinque |
ascii_field: no value in collecting say "pre-9/11" hardware? |
| 17:16 |
ascii_field |
turned out, it lacks a bios battery |
| 17:16 |
ascii_field |
as in, literally no place to emplace it |
| 17:16 |
trinque |
asking genuinely, perhaps there's not |
| 17:16 |
ascii_field |
trinque: depends very much on whether you can distinguish genuinely valuable things from the kind of garbage i was describing just now |
| 17:17 |
ascii_field |
to finish the story, i dug for data sheets for the 'ali' chipset found therein, in hopes of affixing something like a 'cmos battery' - and found, unsurprisingly, nothing |
| 17:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34401 @ 0.00042685 = 14.6841 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:17 |
ascii_field |
i would like 486 but not if i have to set up the disk thing every time it turns on. |
| 17:18 |
shinohai |
@ ascii_field what are your thoughts on this? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer |
| 17:18 |
assbot |
CHIP - The World's First Nine Dollar Computer by Next Thing Co. — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITUu7W ) |
| 17:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6649 @ 0.00041705 = 2.773 BTC [-] |
| 17:18 |
ascii_field |
shinohai: idiocy |
| 17:19 |
shinohai |
I'd rather build something on my own when I haz knowledge |
| 17:19 |
ascii_field |
shinohai: chip is available now, on other boards. yet another 'arm', nothing remarkable about it |
| 17:19 |
* |
ascii_field fucking hates 'arm' |
| 17:20 |
shinohai |
I can do the same thing with any discarded android, with enuf time |
| 17:21 |
ascii_field |
thing is a turd, from the black-box cpu (all 'arm' are builds of opaque licensed blob from uk) to the 'systemd' shit ecosystem that will run on top |
| 17:22 |
shinohai |
I <3 Debian but the bloated systemd kills me |
| 17:22 |
trinque |
shinohai: try mod6's gentoo build maybe |
| 17:22 |
trinque |
has most of the bullshit removed via USE |
| 17:23 |
shinohai |
@ trinque I am a dumb fuck that knows nothing about gentoo. I wish I could so I could slap Luke Jr in da face. |
| 17:23 |
trinque |
the guide is directly aimed at noobs |
| 17:24 |
shinohai |
ping mod6 |
| 17:26 |
shinohai |
!up ascii_field |
| 17:26 |
trinque |
!s mod6 http: |
| 17:27 |
assbot |
: http://s.b-a.link/?q=mod6+http%3A |
| 17:27 |
trinque |
!s mod6 http |
| 17:27 |
assbot |
398 results for 'mod6 http' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mod6+http |
| 17:27 |
trinque |
shinohai: top result |
| 17:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00042897 = 5.0618 BTC [+] |
| 17:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37682 @ 0.00042897 = 16.1644 BTC [+] |
| 17:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17949 @ 0.00044186 = 7.9309 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 18:08 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
| 18:08 |
mod6 |
trinque: need a link? |
| 18:08 |
ascii_field |
back to the 'plz recommend standard hardware that isn't retarded' thing - i can't help but rub in the point here, that we are playing 'junkyard wars' |
| 18:08 |
trinque |
mod6: pulled it from teh logz for shinohai |
| 18:09 |
mod6 |
ok np. just checkin |
| 18:09 |
ascii_field |
there ~is not a good answer~ to this question |
| 18:09 |
ascii_field |
in the words of orlov, 'try asking a different question, to which there may be an answer' |
| 18:13 |
decimation |
ascii_field: re: JTRS < lolfest of usg spending on academitardation |
| 18:14 |
ascii_field |
decimation: afaik 100% of usg code that actually ~works~ is 1995 and prior |
| 18:14 |
trinque |
ascii_field: my aim is to have something upon which to build buttcoind repeatably |
| 18:14 |
decimation |
it's almost dead predictable every time a new tech cycle comes around: usg spends $bil on 'new tech that will save lots of money', fails any gains, actual people working in the field are displaced by carpetbaggers |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
after which who knows, I might dare dabble in C++ for the second time in my career |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
I've avoided the shit like the plague otherwise |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
I have no delusions about having a generally useful computer this decade |
| 18:15 |
decimation |
ascii_field: yes, radios that are designed to work as radios rather than platonic ideals of radios do tend to work well |
| 18:16 |
decimation |
plus, once you are paying $bil to corba and java developers, they are not gonna listen to some rf engineer who knows about radios |
| 18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
<ascii_field> turned out, it lacks a bios battery << oh i recall those shitty boards. |
| 18:20 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: this thing started life as a winblows-ce (yes) graphical terminal |
| 18:21 |
decimation |
ascii_field, others: related> |
| 18:21 |
decimation |
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_nuclear_bombers_lack_satellite_terminals_for_emergencies_999.html |
| 18:21 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QHctFE ) |
| 18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
there was a huge cost to, basically, gavinize computers around that time. it's how "mmx" processors came about, and "streamlined" mobos with no batteries etc. |
| 18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
it went nowhere, ftr. |
| 18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
as all these idiocies ever do. |
| 18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
(the "cheap laptop" thing being a recent example) |
| 18:22 |
decimation |
mmx is a streaming extension to x86 for processing floating point |
| 18:22 |
ascii_field |
except then it becomes ubiquitous |
| 18:22 |
ascii_field |
piecemeal |
| 18:22 |
decimation |
it's been 'upgraded' 3 more times |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation no no, there was a shitty series of 486 processors |
| 18:23 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu is thinking of 486dx |
| 18:23 |
ascii_field |
(sx rather) |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
oh right right |
| 18:23 |
decimation |
yeah the sx was without the floating point unit I think |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i got the letters wrong |
| 18:23 |
ascii_field |
where they snipped the fpu |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ya |
| 18:23 |
decimation |
yeah that's fucktarded |
| 18:23 |
decimation |
note the divorce between marketing and technologists |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
aye. |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
this was purely a marketing concoction |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"because technocomputerology is not masses accessible sufficiently!111" |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ended up... losing money. |
| 18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
How Stars Like Cara Delevingne, Kristen Stewart, & Miley Cyrus Are Leading the Gender Fluid Movement for Millennials << who the fuck are these "stars" ? |
| 18:25 |
ascii_field |
a usual gambit is to try to 'luxurify the ordinary' by getting folks used to a crippled item, then re-introducing the missing bits |
| 18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
more importantly, how do we know it's not "buncha anon hags are driving the star-fluid movement, wherein everyone thinks they're a star" |
| 18:25 |
decimation |
^ |
| 18:26 |
decimation |
for instance this dre fellow thinks he knows how to engineer headphones |
| 18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, cara delevingne ? |
| 18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this, avril lavigne v2.0 ? |
| 18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
is this actually a person even ? |
| 18:26 |
decimation |
add a few ounces of metal to the cheapass plastic; charge $200 |
| 18:26 |
decimation |
apple buys you for $3 bil |
| 18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
which you can't spend. |
| 18:26 |
trinque |
speaks volumes on apple's present state |
| 18:26 |
decimation |
you can spend some of it, maybe |
| 18:27 |
decimation |
at any rate the irs definitely taxes your shit on it, even if unspendable |
| 18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
omfg! i totally called it. ITS THE SAME LIFTED PHOTOS GUYSE! |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.google.com/search?q=Cara+Delevingne&complete=0&tbm=isch&sa=X vs http://www.google.com/search?q=Avril+Lavigne&complete=0&tbm=isch&sa=X vs |
| 18:28 |
assbot |
Cara Delevingne - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHdbCO ) |
| 18:28 |
assbot |
Avril Lavigne - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHdbCU ) |
| 18:28 |
decimation |
I thought it was well known that anything to do with 'popular music' is essentially nothing more than a marketing chumpatron |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently |
| 18:28 |
trinque |
they take a skinny white chick and feed her into the machine every other year |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
different ones ? |
| 18:29 |
trinque |
clone army maybe |
| 18:29 |
decimation |
sometimes it helps if she has singing talent, but it's not that important |
| 18:30 |
decimation |
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/10/obama-cracks-down-on-airplane-emissions-buys-massive-new-air-force-one/ < Taxpayers currently spend $206,337 for every flight hour aboard Air Force One. |
| 18:30 |
assbot |
Obama Cracks Down on Airplane Emissions, Buys Massive New Air Force One - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHdptC ) |
| 18:30 |
trinque |
decimation: they don't even make 'em do that r&b yodel anymore |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
so i guess they decided they could make more money by keeping fewer clone tanks |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
and call it "gender fluid" ? |
| 18:30 |
trinque |
just autotune the shit and put some buzzing synth in there |
| 18:30 |
decimation |
greenspun: "(compare to about $25,000 per flight hour to charter (source)). If American Airlines spent this much during the 7-hour flight from London to Boston it would cost $1.44 million for the trip in operating cost (i.e., not including the capital cost of the aircraft) or about $3500 per passenger (i.e., a round-trip coach ticket couldn?t be sold for less than about $7000 plus taxes and fees)." |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and they sell for... about that ? |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
sooo... ? his point being that airlines are robbing us blind ? |
| 18:32 |
decimation |
no his point is that obama's airplane is |
| 18:32 |
decimation |
actual round trip ticket to london is like $1k |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168172 << isn't casual racism an oxymoron, like temporary death or sunday religiosity ? |
| 18:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 22:36:07; mats: casual racism is the norm here |
| 18:32 |
decimation |
so somehow air force one costs 7x regular airliner |
| 18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation first class or chimp class ? |
| 18:33 |
decimation |
I assume chimp class |
| 18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't actually want the president to travel with the immigrands ? |
| 18:33 |
decimation |
other presidents do |
| 18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
but for this reason. |
| 18:33 |
decimation |
I think the uk prime minister flys on british airways |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
but the uk is a sort of egypt. |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
"used to be a great empire" |
| 18:34 |
* |
decimation was unaware that svelte transport on grand air-sedan (powered by pure slave money) was needed for greatness |
| 18:35 |
trinque |
hell, sounds kinda fun though |
| 18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
svelte means thin |
| 18:35 |
ascii_field |
i've been reading an autobiography of hans baur, best known as hitler's pilot. he spoke of various folks he had flown, and described how king of bulgaria flew part of a trip with him, then caught an ordinary train |
| 18:35 |
ascii_field |
real mindfuck to modern eyes |
| 18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i think modern eyes still understand bulgaria's a shithole. |
| 18:36 |
decimation |
ascii_field: the best part of that 20 juli movie with tom cruise were the scenes with hitler's planes |
| 18:36 |
trinque |
sounds like folksy pandering |
| 18:36 |
decimation |
apparently it was an actual Ju-52 that still flies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_52#/media/File:Ju-Air_Junkers_Ju-52_in_flight_over_Austria.jpg |
| 18:36 |
assbot |
Junkers Ju 52 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHdYn8 ) |
| 18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
what was that rocket plane they had, he something |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
among the waste in usg, air force one is way in the long tail |
| 18:37 |
ascii_field |
fuhrer did not fly in rocket plane. |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
and look what happened to him |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
dead! |
| 18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque im still in shock someone proposed 7k a seat as outrageous. i must be buying in all the wrong places. |
| 18:37 |
decimation |
actually $7k per seat is about right for business/first class |
| 18:38 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: add another zero and you can lounge in the entire plane |
| 18:38 |
trinque |
I'm not a rich guy or head of state, but seems either merits better shuffling around than what I use |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe double, but certainly not the 10 to 100x the article would need it to be |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe someone blew up their math somewhere ? |
| 18:38 |
ascii_field |
add yet another 0 and... buy the machine |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field what machine you're gonna buy for 700k again ? |
| 18:38 |
decimation |
well, you also gotta realize that when air force one is flying, there is usually a fleet of other aircraft for car, plane, etc |
| 18:38 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
you intend to fly the guy in an old antonov birotor ? |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation then it's a not very well written/researched article ? |
| 18:39 |
decimation |
Greenspun was just making the side point that the aircraft is relatively expensive to operate compared to others in its class |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
but it came out the other way around. |
| 18:42 |
decimation |
it might be confusing, but he points out that a 747 costs about $25k per hour for everything |
| 18:42 |
decimation |
so it's about 10x |
| 18:43 |
decimation |
who knows how that cost is calculated, because an arbitrary number of usg throne-keepers could be bundled |
| 18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
so is the idea something like "it costs 10x more to move this one guy than to move these 450 other guys" ? |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168198 << ahahaha. wut teh fuck |
| 18:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2015 22:59:55; cazalla: for a moment i was like.. why would jurov not give qntra the scoop? http://www.coindesk.com/latin-america-coinbr-acquires-coinverse/ |
| 18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168270 << the clean coins trading thing was a major enabler of the original ponzi (pirate's) |
| 18:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 00:49:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168261 << hypothetical twist: whole thing is a front by chinese miners, anxious to sell certifiably 'clean' coin to gullible schmucks at a premium |
| 18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
because at that time, had he not also run a "buy new coinbases from miners at 110% "business" on the side, people would have noticed they're being paid with their own coins. |
| 18:47 |
ascii_field |
how ? |
| 18:47 |
ascii_field |
ah |
| 18:48 |
ascii_field |
ergo 'taint' exists. |
| 18:48 |
ascii_field |
at least for some special cases |
| 18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, for the special case where you're running a ponzi equal to the monetary mass. |
| 18:48 |
ascii_field |
and it is not hard to establish that a heavy share of miners operates at a loss |
| 18:49 |
ascii_field |
so there ought to be a reason for it |
| 18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
most oil refineries also operate at a loss. |
| 18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
generally, most infrastructure in all times and places operates at a loss, which is why commodification is not particularly welcomed by business people, which is how you get apple. |
| 18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
and bad software, and everyone wanting to make their own web app and so on |
| 18:50 |
ascii_field |
!s pay for the sun |
| 18:50 |
assbot |
4 results for 'pay for the sun' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pay+for+the+sun |
| 18:51 |
cazalla |
https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/146757 |
| 18:51 |
assbot |
Our provider, hosteurope.de shut down our servers due to "political incorrectness" | announcements ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHfaXT ) |
| 18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
heh/ |
| 18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168292 << for flavour, "piu piu" is the chirp sound of birds in romanian. |
| 18:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 02:03:34; asciilifeform: 'The PiuPiu oversharing site allows users to create PiuPiu accounts and post 140-character messages. The federal government wants PiuPiu to surveil user activity on the site, by archiving any posts that match certain patterns outlined in a national security letter. Subject to the nondisclosure constraints of the letter, PiuPiu may not inform anyone of the surveillance request.' |
| 18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
and what a chicklet does is "piuie", ie, "makes the piu sound" |
| 18:53 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: speaking of, notice that 2014 medalist is (nominally) chick |
| 18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
mg cto is also, factually, chick. |
| 18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lack of women in tech is not a problem of women or of tech, but merely of a bunch of dorks going around looking for women in tech in the garbage. well duh, why'd they be in the garbage ? |
| 18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
teenage boys go in the garbage. |
| 18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
(this is actually an anciend graham post, i subscribe entirely) |
| 18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!s Cichlid |
| 18:55 |
assbot |
2 results for 'Cichlid' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Cichlid |
| 18:56 |
ascii_field |
'A lot more men than women choose to do seemingly irrational things such as become petty criminals, fly homebuilt helicopters, play video games, and keep tropical fish as pets (98 percent of the attendees at the American Cichlid Association convention that I last attended were male). Should we be surprised that it is mostly men who spend 10 years banging their heads against an equation-filled blackboard in hopes of |
| 18:56 |
ascii_field |
landing a $35,000/year post-doc job?' |
| 18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
aye. 2nd result. |
| 18:56 |
ascii_field |
greenspun btw |
| 18:56 |
ascii_field |
not graham |
| 18:56 |
ben_vulpes |
re: accounts thread and data structures, this imho is why the change addr behavior mneeds a zappin |
| 18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
oh right. my bad. |
| 18:57 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: i could shoot the change-addr thing in the head in ten minutes, but mircea_popescu wants to keep it for some reason |
| 18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
"some reason" => "let's keep changes to a needed minimum" |
| 18:59 |
ben_vulpes |
is the incurred complexity needed? |
| 18:59 |
ascii_field |
personally i see the random-change-addr thing to be as screamingly retarded as memory leak |
| 18:59 |
ascii_field |
i'd like to see someone present a coherent argument for the negative here |
| 18:59 |
ben_vulpes |
i suppose you'd have us leave testnet in as well |
| 19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
the argument was presented last we discussed this. "you can do the things you want to do once you've done the things that must be done and the result works" |
| 19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
no dessert as of so far. |
| 19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168374 << quite exactly. fine example of the bezzle moral hazard. |
| 19:02 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 04:19:54; decimation: mats: the beats thing still pisses me off |
| 19:02 |
ascii_field |
this - sure |
| 19:03 |
ascii_field |
but is there an argument actually in favour of the mechanism ? |
| 19:03 |
ben_vulpes |
moreover, what all is in this list of 'must be done'? |
| 19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i agree they're stupid. originally it was "they must go out because they break backups". turned out they don't. now it's "they should go out because they're stupid", which is valid, but also an aesthetic judgement. we're not at aesthetics yet. but eventually, whole wallet scheme needs to be made by someone who's not retarded in the fucking head. |
| 19:04 |
ben_vulpes |
wai wut how do they not break backups. |
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| 19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
!s a process |
| 19:04 |
assbot |
559 results for 'a process' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+process |
| 19:05 |
ben_vulpes |
oh because a wallet is really a collection of the inputs that a key or set of keys can sign on and so a 'wallet' in the satoshi client parlance is actually not back=up-able if in use? |
| 19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
| 19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168397 << because idiots "should have money too", then there's an infinity of them, before you know it they drive the market. "inequality" is actually a stupid word to describe a functional society, where shit is not being promoted by shitheads. |
| 19:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 04:28:39; decimation: funkenstein_: yeah I know, people here bitch about the lack of 'adult' products. glitzy candy beats serious in the market every time |
| 19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the only way for the hundred million idiots to not impose their britney spears over anything and everything else is for the hundred million to not have as much as a single cent disposable income. |
| 19:08 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168375 < actually sennheiser is meh. here i have a 20$ headphones that beat the shit out of 200 and 350$ sennheisers. |
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| 19:08 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 04:20:12; decimation: a company like sennheiser makes actual headphones, with specifications and everything |
| 19:09 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
| 19:10 |
ascii_field |
afaik 'good headphone' does not exist |
| 19:10 |
ascii_field |
any more than 'good laptop' |
| 19:10 |
kakobrekla |
correct. |
| 19:10 |
ascii_field |
i put on a 30k set of electrostatic phones in a linguistics lab. air piles to ears instead of wires. still meh. |
| 19:10 |
ascii_field |
*air pipes |
| 19:11 |
kakobrekla |
senn orpheus ? |
| 19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
btw, did we discuss the dude that drove an armored vehicle into some texas something or the other ? |
| 19:12 |
trinque |
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting-zombie-apocalypse-assault-vehicle-and-troop-transport/ << looks to be the one |
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| 19:12 |
assbot |
DALLAS POLICE SHOOTING: ‘Zombie Apocalypse Assault Vehicle and Troop Transport’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sx98Gy ) |
| 19:12 |
trinque |
oh texas, how I love you |
| 19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168484 << lol pretty good. |
| 19:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 08:06:30; copypaste: they flipped their shit when i told them in the US that if their boyfriends took the pictures that means the boyfriends own the pictures and only they can write DMCAs |
| 19:14 |
ascii_field |
kakobrekla: nah, it was long ago |
| 19:15 |
kakobrekla |
anyway if anyone is out for headies, 20$ 'superlux 681' will blow away senn hd650 like nothing. |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow "if you made a business you don't own that business", yet "if you have a pair of tits it's your pair of tits" |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
well nao! |
| 19:15 |
kakobrekla |
they are a chinas copy of some akg model |
| 19:16 |
kakobrekla |
taht got lucky with the end result. |
| 19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168522 << i've had bear. |
| 19:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 08:22:09; cazalla: you've had bear? |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168563 << i absolutely despise tofu. |
| 19:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 08:51:42; mats: tofu is kind of an analogue for real chinese cuisine |
| 19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
in truth i don't care much about most chinese cuisine either, but not because it'd be bland. because they can't cook. some stuff is actually excellent, but plenty of stuff is "hey, let's throw everything in the kitchen in the same pot. vinegar, oil, sugar, what the hell." |
| 19:21 |
cazalla |
agreed, but i didn't want to offend him so i did not mention this heh |
| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168568 << i can always tell, because of the tell-tale "metallic" aftertaste a half hour to an hour later, coming from all the exhausted overfired neurons. |
| 19:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 08:59:21; mats: msg presents differently in various things |
| 19:22 |
scoopbot_revived |
Bryan Micon To Return To Las Vegas To Face Charge http://qntra.net/2015/06/bryan-micon-to-return-to-las-vegas-to-face-charge/ |
| 19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla that said, a chinese guy had a decent restaurant a mile from my place in ro (actually, conference went there). guy made some incredible baked eggplant |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168587 << people asking these types of questions have not done their reading. |
| 19:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 10:54:47; wyrdmantis: I was asked if there is a "defense" plan to "isolate" the Bitcoin XT nodes or something similar. I thought this is a non-issue for you guys... |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
this shit redditards pull where they go about blathering for three months and then pretend like nothing happened and questions can be asked as if just discovered may work on reddit, but it'll give all of them a busted lip irl. |
| 19:25 |
mats |
im inclined to say you've rarely had legit chinese cuisine, and if you did and still feel that way... you have an unrefined palette |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
the entire "consensus" bullshit collapsed because i said back in january exactly what the plan is. |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
mats how could i evaluate this ? |
| 19:26 |
mats |
chinese folks have had thousands of years of recorded history to develop recipes |
| 19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
for instance - i never ate chinese food in places not owned and operated by chinese people. |
| 19:26 |
mats |
can't, food is a personal matter. you don't like what you don't like. cultural context notwithstanding |
| 19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
mats and cats have had millions of years to develop fishing implements. |
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| 19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
not necessarily a cogent argument. |
| 19:26 |
mats |
alright, man |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168597 << im not so sure the replace by fee thing is intelligent. |
| 19:30 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 17:17:56; BingoBoingo: tldr: Pool implements a replace by fee patch, derps herp because it means People can double spend before the transaction is committed to a block! |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
mats while food is obviously a personal matter, whether one has legit or not legit X food should be verifiable experimentally neh ? |
| 19:41 |
mats |
sure. on the other hand, you are a white man, and server or chef might choose to whitewash the meal to appeal to some sense of your palette |
| 19:42 |
mats |
but that's unlikely. |
| 19:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22901 @ 0.00045837 = 10.4971 BTC [+] |
| 19:43 |
cazalla |
that also doesn't really fit with yum cha and the one i ate at was full of chinese so you'd think it was the good one |
| 19:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00045139 = 9.6372 BTC [-] |
| 19:44 |
mats |
anyway not really a productive discussion, i don't enjoy thai food but i recognize it takes skill |
| 19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
well i never ate anything in china, that's for sure. |
| 19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no doubt it's food, ie, a product of human industry. |
| 19:44 |
cazalla |
mats, i love thai food.. i have a kaffir lime just for this alone |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ironically, my first exposure to azn cooking was in a thai restaurant |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i had... the sushi :D |
| 19:45 |
mats |
...why |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
because im weird. |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, just, what i orderer |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ordered* |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
(this was on the boston wharf, so a seafood choice perhaps more easy to understand) |
| 19:47 |
mats |
hmm |
| 19:48 |
mats |
i think ill have a lobster roll this weekend |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lobster roles. |
| 19:52 |
trinque |
I identify as lobster; this is offensive. |
| 19:53 |
cazalla |
you'll be needing yourself a lobster girl then trinque |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
best pray ~i~ don't identify you as lobster/ |
| 20:03 |
Adlai |
i'm code literate in java << they've really been lowering the bar eh |
| 20:03 |
Adlai |
used to be you needed to write a macro to get your shilly wings |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
honestly i never saw someoine who could code call themselves "code literate in x". sounds more like something i'd say. |
| 20:05 |
Adlai |
fwiw that nick means "dark pig" |
| 20:14 |
scoopbot_revived |
Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://trilema.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/ |
| 20:19 |
asciilifeform |
wtf does 'code literate' mean |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, i've met folks who 'i know c' but cannot tell me how 'duff's device' works |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
( http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/duffs-device.html << for n00bz) |
| 20:21 |
assbot |
Tom Duff on Duff's Device ... ( http://bit.ly/1RhZZPQ ) |
| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169198 << umpteenth 'usg vs. clinically retarded schmuck' match. wake me up when the 'usg vs. smart folks' match is being played. |
| 20:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 23:12:39; trinque: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting-zombie-apocalypse-assault-vehicle-and-troop-transport/ << looks to be the one |
| 20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
"A second poster tried the test, but botched the implementation, proving only that with diligence it is possible to make anything run slowly." |
| 20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
win |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
duff's device is ~3 wks older than i am. |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
bang emailpaths too |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://everything2.com/title/Duff%2527s+device << see also. |
| 20:29 |
assbot |
Duff's device - Everything2.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ri0Ujk ) |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ah lordy. |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
From research!ucbvax!dagobah!td Sun Nov 13 07:35:46 1983 |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
Received: by ucbvax.ARPA (4.16/4.13) id AA18997; Sun, 13 Nov 83 07:35:46 pst |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
Received: by dagobah.LFL (4.6/4.6b) id AA01034; Thu, 10 Nov 83 17:57:56 PST |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
three fuckenb days. |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
hey, usenet. |
| 20:31 |
asciilifeform |
3, or 33, just the same. |
| 20:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00041736 = 15.8805 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
"It amazes me that after 10 years of writing C there are still little corners that I haven't explored fully. " |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
top kek |
| 20:34 |
asciilifeform |
'corners of c' are not unlike 'corners of chess' |
| 20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you mean "how it works" anyway ? cheaper to compare than to iterate. |
| 20:36 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: many n00bs begin with 'wtf how does this even compile' |
| 20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
why shouldn't it compile ? |
| 20:37 |
* |
asciilifeform was not one of them, cannot answer |
| 20:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169180 << my objection is not 'breaks backups', but 'breaks brainwallets' |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 23:04:20; ben_vulpes: wai wut how do they not break backups. |
| 20:37 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169188 < yeah sennheiser has gone down in quality over the past few years too, they have to try to milk the idiot-herd too I guess |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 23:08:30; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168375 < actually sennheiser is meh. here i have a 20$ headphones that beat the shit out of 200 and 350$ sennheisers. |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
(see recent 'brainwallet' thread) |
| 20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
is it because they imagien that the "do" only exists in case 0 |
| 20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and otherwise there's a "dangling while" ? |
| 20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
this isn't how the compilers [used to] work |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: aha |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
'wires cross that must not cross' or the like. |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
actually i appreciate now why you mentioned it |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
breaks some folks' mental model of c |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a subtle but perhaps excellent test for distinguishing the categories you proposed |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
there we go |
| 20:40 |
* |
asciilifeform appreciates mircea_popescu's quickness on the uptake |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"they who imagine the computer is god" from "they who imagine the computer is this tramp they picked up hitchhiking and will fcuk her a little before cutting her up to pieces" |
| 20:40 |
asciilifeform |
^ this and precisely this |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, the original babbage wonderment is perhaps the first clash of the two |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"why should the machine put out the right numbers regardless ?!?! BECAUSE IT IS THE MACHINE" |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
the ultimate stage of this development is to realize that the tramp was already dead, cut up by a long series of maniacs previously, and one's job is to in fact stitch its parts together into a frankensteinian creature of one's own conception |
| 20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
before fucking her a while before cutting her up again |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
naturally. |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
how else. |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
of course, folks who regularly deal with the output of c compiler cannot be surprised by duff's device |
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| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, any half good lawyer wouldnt be surprised either. |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
this is exactly how law works too. |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
the 'mystery moment' only exists for those who began their study with c or similar |
| 20:43 |
decimation |
the confusing thing to me is the closure in the middle of the switch |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
'language lawyer' is a term of art for a reason. |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
but it is a powerful indictment of the "colored bits" concept. because lo! the compiler doth NOT CARE whence this executionable bitcoin went. merely what it says |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
if the while has where to return, it is happy. |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like the machine doesn't care if such-and-such is getting jumped to because a d00d munged the return address through buffer overflow, etc |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
!s cold equations |
| 20:44 |
assbot |
16 results for 'cold equations' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cold+equations |
| 20:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00041553 = 22.8334 BTC [-] {4} |
| 20:44 |
decimation |
I guess if it compiles and produces machine code, machine will execute |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
^ the basic story of the whole 'camel hump' thing, long before pc |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation the only way that wouldn't compile is if you specifically put custom code in tyh4e compiler to complain about it |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
and i bet you for any bayesian filter you can come up with someone can find a circumventer |
| 20:47 |
decimation |
yeah, no compiler/static checker can possibly consider all cases |
| 20:47 |
decimation |
any more than enumerate all possible chess 'corners' |
| 20:49 |
decimation |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number < shannon and others estimated number of chess positions to be around 2^155 |
| 20:49 |
assbot |
Shannon number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TClmPN ) |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
that said, it's prolly a safe bet that contemporary compilers do in fact complain |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno. |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
(about trivial cases, obviously) |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway : the do doesn't exist when it appears in the code, but when the returning while is looking for it. much like the tits on the girl don't belong to the girl. |
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| 20:51 |
decimation |
gcc swallows it without complaint |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
was thinking more like visualc / msvc / whatever |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform "Police disabled the vehicle with a .50 caliber rifle shot to the engine block." |
| 20:56 |
decimation |
"I cannot quote chapter and verse, but Larry Rosler, who was chairman of the language subcommittee (I think), has assured me that X3J11 considered it carefully and decided that it was legal." |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
you know what happened. some lt in that preceinct had a .5 DE in his special closet. |
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| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun wanna hear any more bitching about that gun |
| 20:58 |
decimation |
https://web.archive.org/web/20070106181008/http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/08/02/152847.php < nearly 50 years ago, before swat teams, police just asked local folks come with their guns and help |
| 20:58 |
assbot |
Charles Whitman and Futureshock 40 Years Later @ Blogcritics.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1TCmkvg ) |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
well, a posse |
| 20:59 |
decimation |
"What struck me as most fascinating were the accounts from several sources of how the police dealt with the lack of covering fire that a SWAT team would provide today. They just went to citizens in the area and asked them to bring their rifles and shoot at the tower, and they all went to their pickups, got their deer rifles and did what they could to help." |
| 20:59 |
decimation |
"Their covering fire kept Whitman down and limited him to shooting through a drain opening, pretty much stopping the killing and giving officers the opportunity to get into the building. The officers also deputized one of the citizens to go with them into the tower to give them a bit more firepower, although he didn't end up facing Whitman. |
| 21:01 |
decimation |
they probably didnt' use a .50 DE, they probably had a proper anti-material rifle |
| 21:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.0004272 = 23.4319 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:03 |
* |
mircea_popescu doesn't think so. |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc amr .5 is a russian idea. |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
nato fires 99mm |
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| 21:04 |
decimation |
I doubt a .50 action express has enough power to penetrate armor |
| 21:05 |
trinque |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169198 << umpteenth 'usg vs. clinically retarded schmuck' match. wake me up when the 'usg vs. smart folks' match is being played. << weather's getting hotter all the time |
| 21:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-06-2015 23:12:39; trinque: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting-zombie-apocalypse-assault-vehicle-and-troop-transport/ << looks to be the one |
| 21:06 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: yeah but the desert eagle round is only 33 mm long |
| 21:06 |
decimation |
has about 10x less energy |
| 21:08 |
decimation |
http://controversialtimes.com/news/dallas-gunman-killed-by-single-shot-from-snipers-50-caliber-rifle/ < was .50 bmg rifle |
| 21:08 |
assbot |
Dallas Gunman Killed by Single Shot from Sniper’s .50 Caliber Rifle ... ( http://bit.ly/1TCnyXm ) |
| 21:08 |
trinque |
joe stack et al, glory to them all |
| 21:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00041203 = 11.3102 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169341 << no!! 'barrett.' standard issue in usa to police since a few yrs ago |
| 21:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-06-2015 00:56:22; mircea_popescu: you know what happened. some lt in that preceinct had a .5 DE in his special closet. |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
precisely for occasions like this |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
if anyone recalls, a while ago i posted photos from my town's police expo. they had just such a rifle, and introduced it as 'for cars' |
| 21:11 |
decimation |
yes and the armor piercing .50 bmg rounds are common. |
| 21:11 |
decimation |
I have a friend who has one, they are fairly common among shooting enthusiasts |
| 21:11 |
asciilifeform |
a little costly |
| 21:11 |
asciilifeform |
but available |
| 21:11 |
decimation |
yeah |
| 21:12 |
decimation |
he told me the cheapest way to get ammo is to buy usg surplus |
| 21:12 |
asciilifeform |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG#/media/File:Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg << far left of photo |
| 21:12 |
assbot |
.50 BMG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IplYzm ) |
| 21:12 |
decimation |
apparently after the round is shipped too many times, the powder becomes too fine and burns off too quickly |
| 21:12 |
decimation |
usg sells shell as surplus, can reload yourself |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express#/media/File:50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg << left side - the cartridge mircea_popescu may have been thinking of |
| 21:13 |
assbot |
.50 Action Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ipm61Q ) |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
iirc it was pitched for 'big game' |
| 21:13 |
decimation |
the .50 ae? |
| 21:14 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 21:14 |
decimation |
it's not really strong enough for that either |
| 21:14 |
decimation |
maybe at really close range |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
there are a few ludicrously heavy pistols that fire .50ae. for some reason mircea_popescu seems to like'em. |
| 21:15 |
decimation |
maybe he spent his youth playing counterstrike |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169352 << 99mm would be a cannon shell - if it existed |
| 21:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-06-2015 01:04:38; mircea_popescu: nato fires 99mm |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
(perhaps mircea_popescu was thinking of famous nazi '88' ?) |
| 21:17 |
decimation |
I assume he meant .50x99mm |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
ah |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
ru version has same, iirc, bullet, but 108mm shell |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
(why? ask'em not me) |
| 21:20 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: apparently the marine snipers use .308 with only 1000 yards range http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/why-the-marines-have-failed-to-adopt-a-new-sniper-rifle-in-the-past-14-years/2015/06/13/cb924d96-0eaf-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html |
| 21:20 |
assbot |
Why the Marines have failed to adopt a new sniper rifle in the past 14 years - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpmuO7 ) |
| 21:20 |
decimation |
taliban/isil with .50 cal dshk can outrange them |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
in nato armies, 'sniper' is often used interchangeably with 'designated marksman' which are rather different jobs |
| 21:22 |
decimation |
yeah it isn't clear if this article is about actual snipers or designated marksmen |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, u.s. police love these things. for shooting through cars, boats, walls |
| 21:25 |
decimation |
yeah, in this case it obviously came in handy |
| 21:26 |
decimation |
but this will be the one corner case that will justify $mil in usg 'requirements' |
| 21:26 |
asciilifeform |
iirc most of them were handed out to police by pentagon, for 'free' (gulfwar2 surplus) |
| 21:26 |
decimation |
yeah probably |
| 21:27 |
asciilifeform |
for enthusiasts - 5-8k usd. |
| 21:27 |
asciilifeform |
who wants - go, buy. |
| 21:27 |
decimation |
if you fill out reams of usg paperwork and file for license you can also have .50 machine gun |
| 21:27 |
asciilifeform |
(usa. no idea what equiv. is elsewhere.) |
| 21:27 |
decimation |
but be ready to spend $$$ for ammo |
| 21:27 |
asciilifeform |
at ~5 usd / round, one has to really like the music. |
| 21:28 |
decimation |
heh yeah |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169336 << which is why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169312 |
| 21:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-06-2015 00:50:54; mircea_popescu: anyway : the do doesn't exist when it appears in the code, but when the returning while is looking for it. much like the tits on the girl don't belong to the girl. |
| 21:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-06-2015 00:42:54; asciilifeform: of course, folks who regularly deal with the output of c compiler cannot be surprised by duff's device |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
'duff's device' represents 'leaking abstraction' concept. |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
(it rubs the reader's face in the fact that all c control structures translate into jumps, which are quite the same as the much-maligned 'goto') |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
compiler won't let you cross stack frames, though |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
(for this, you need setjmp()...) |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
phun phakt: 'scheme' programming language has its 'call-with-current-continuation', perhaps the oddest and 'most generic' control structure known, which takes the current place in execution and turns it into an assignable (yes) closure (i.e. callable function!) -- typically it is implemented using setjmp(). |
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| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.madore.org/~david/computers/callcc.html << see also. |
| 21:37 |
assbot |
A page about call/cc ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpnEZK ) |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
call/cc reliably melts n00bs' brains when first encountered. |
| 21:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29521 @ 0.00041292 = 12.1898 BTC [-] |
| 21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation aha right you were. |
| 21:52 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: might as well set program counter directly |
| 22:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44598 @ 0.00041157 = 18.3552 BTC [-] {3} |
| 22:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00040329 = 2.5811 BTC [-] |
| 22:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00040024 = 7.0442 BTC [-] |
| 22:21 |
decimation |
http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/airplane-stowaway-plunges-to-his-death-338044.html |
| 22:21 |
assbot |
Airplane stowaway plunges to his death | Irish Examiner ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxuUVw ) |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 22:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00040013 = 12.0839 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:42 |
decimation |
!up indiancandy1 |
| 22:46 |
indiancandy1 |
hey bitches |
| 22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
haha. |
| 22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
you on xotika yet ? |
| 22:47 |
indiancandy1 |
were |
| 22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
https://xotika.tv/ |
| 22:47 |
assbot |
XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J9j8V5 ) |
| 22:47 |
indiancandy1 |
mp did u run a porn business |
| 22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
sort-of. |
| 22:48 |
indiancandy1 |
few years ago |
| 22:48 |
indiancandy1 |
? |
| 22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
| 22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitbet.us/bet/1155/freeseas-inc-nasdaq-free-will-trade-at-least-0-10/#c4849 < lmao |
| 22:48 |
assbot |
BitBet - FreeSeas INC, NASDAQ:FREE, will trade at least 0.10 USD per share before 1st July 2015. :: 3.24 B (44%) on Yes, 4.19 B (56%) on No | closed 1 day 21 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1J9jf2R ) |
| 22:49 |
indiancandy1 |
what |
| 22:49 |
indiancandy1 |
what did u do |
| 22:50 |
indiancandy1 |
sell porn on a irc |
| 22:50 |
indiancandy1 |
is xotika ur thing |
| 22:51 |
indiancandy1 |
hello |
| 22:51 |
decimation |
wtf why are people betting on random greek shipping companies? |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation i have nfi. |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
indiancandy1 nah it's naphex' |
| 22:52 |
indiancandy1 |
im greek |
| 22:52 |
indiancandy1 |
:P |
| 22:52 |
indiancandy1 |
well half |
| 22:52 |
decimation |
lol FREE has -336% net profit 2014 |
| 22:52 |
indiancandy1 |
is he onine |
| 22:52 |
indiancandy1 |
naphex message me |
| 22:54 |
indiancandy1 |
mircea |
| 22:55 |
indiancandy1 |
tell me about ur porn production |
| 22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
indiancandy1 not much to tell, back before you were born porn used ot make money. |
| 22:56 |
indiancandy1 |
what did u do though |
| 22:56 |
indiancandy1 |
direct produc |
| 22:56 |
indiancandy1 |
star> |
| 22:56 |
indiancandy1 |
? |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i was a producer/backer. |
| 22:58 |
indiancandy1 |
in usa |
| 22:58 |
indiancandy1 |
eu? |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
eu |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
not at the time yet, but anyway |
| 23:00 |
indiancandy1 |
interestin |
| 23:00 |
indiancandy1 |
why didnt u tel me |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
how did you find out in the first place ? |
| 23:01 |
indiancandy1 |
i was in here |
| 23:01 |
indiancandy1 |
ppl were tlkin about porn |
| 23:01 |
indiancandy1 |
someone said |
| 23:01 |
indiancandy1 |
u used 2 direct porn |
| 23:01 |
indiancandy1 |
i was like no way |
| 23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
well so then that's why i didn't tell you, because i told them. i can't do everything myself. |
| 23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
memory is getting hazy after all the years, but i dun think i actually directed anything |
| 23:02 |
indiancandy1 |
you just invested |
| 23:02 |
indiancandy1 |
in porn |
| 23:02 |
indiancandy1 |
in porn |
| 23:03 |
indiancandy1 |
east europe |
| 23:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86600 @ 0.00040669 = 35.2194 BTC [+] {5} |
| 23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
a producer is traditionally more like the adult in charge of the children on the set. |
| 23:04 |
decimation |
what's the difference between that and the director? |
| 23:04 |
indiancandy1 |
producer is the finance i belive |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
the director's more like the spiritual leader of teh tribe. the producer just makes sure they have enough food and don't fight with it. |
| 23:05 |
indiancandy1 |
so you were on set watching the talent |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
indiancandy1 i fucked plenty of them, dun worry. |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda half the point of the entire thing. |
| 23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
the small half, but nevertheless. |
| 23:07 |
indiancandy1 |
ahaha |
| 23:07 |
indiancandy1 |
omg mp |
| 23:07 |
indiancandy1 |
shocking |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
you shock easily. |
| 23:07 |
indiancandy1 |
well |
| 23:07 |
indiancandy1 |
i duno |
| 23:08 |
indiancandy1 |
so u out the game now |
| 23:08 |
indiancandy1 |
? |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
but in any case, ima direct something with girls in it, so twedledoo |
| 23:09 |
indiancandy1 |
yea |
| 23:09 |
indiancandy1 |
damn |
| 23:09 |
indiancandy1 |
i got sleepin issues |
| 23:12 |
cazalla |
count sheep |
| 23:12 |
indiancandy1 |
omg |
| 23:12 |
indiancandy1 |
u no anastasia |
| 23:12 |
indiancandy1 |
is from romania |
| 23:13 |
indiancandy1 |
the makeup mogul |
| 23:13 |
indiancandy1 |
i watched her documentry |
| 23:22 |
assbot |
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| 23:26 |
assbot |
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| 23:32 |
assbot |
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| 23:33 |
assbot |
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| 23:33 |
mats |
lol. |
| 23:38 |
decimation |
mats: the low line density? |
| 23:39 |
mats |
no i think indiancandy is funny |
| 23:39 |
mats |
am imagining cali valley girl with bollywood english accent |
| 23:41 |
decimation |
heh |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/17/home-school-shanghai-school-and-american-k-12-all-in-one-conversation/ < lulz |
| 23:43 |
assbot |
Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... ( http://bit.ly/1ewosVy ) |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
" In Shanghai the children, age 5 and 11, had attended an international school that was so demanding the parents had to stay up tutoring until 11 pm some nights. Public school in the Boston suburbs, by contrast, is so easy that the children don?t need any after-school help." |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
"However, the mother now has to spend nearly all of her time managing household affairs. ?We had three people to help us in Shanghai,? said the father, ?but here just weekly cleaners.?" |
| 23:44 |
decimation |
^ note that about half the population in the us is paid by the state to do nothing |
| 23:44 |
decimation |
they could be doing something useful, like cleaning toilets |
| 23:53 |
assbot |
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