| 00:00 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: is this havel guy kinda like a czech Solzhenitsyn? |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
this, incidentally, is why idiot rawls and his "veil of ignorance" is so important for the "nordic system" ie, socialism re-emergent. it's not the direct pseudo-ethics it derps around with that's the core there. it's the proposition, unwarranted and offensive, that people have no more substance than replaceable parts, and that their connections in the graph do not exist. |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
THIS is what that bullshit is selling, under a guise. |
| 00:01 |
asciilifeform |
archaeologists tell us about, e.g., ancient minoan 'palace economies' where -everybody- had to go to the central cloth dispensary to get woven cloth where gurlz toiled in the weaving hall. but those who sat in the palaces may have pictured themselves at the 'stellar apex' but had nothing on modern idiotron. minoans did not, afaik, have to go to the palace to get fucked. |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform babylonians did, really. |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
hence all the prostitution cults. |
| 00:02 |
trinque |
only part I don't know about is whether this is a sort of inauthentic behavior on the part of the shopkeeper |
| 00:02 |
trinque |
seems obedience is a fine thing if the directions given to it are any good |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque the socialist state is necessarily intellectually vacuous |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
for this reason it can never be any good |
| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: not unlike the difference between car speeding along on a clean road, and engine on fire. in both cases, petrol combusts |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
(and it's necessarily vacuous for the reason discussed in "the problem of ideal systems") |
| 00:03 |
decimation |
yeah but as trinque pointed out earlier, the socialist state has the advantage of 'cheap coordination' |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
at the cost of necessary futility, yes. |
| 00:04 |
decimation |
it's really easy to sell the idea that the state will save you |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"you can either buy this thing which works, or this thing which is free." "but does it work ?" "no." |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
the choice is then settled by... whether you can afford the first. |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
because if you can't, you ain't buying it. and if you ain't buying it, might as well take the 2nd. |
| 00:05 |
decimation |
^ which is why fiat currency is so wrapped up in the socialist megastate |
| 00:05 |
decimation |
because it jams the markets with crazy nonsense |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
i used to wonder whether the 'rawlsian ignorance' folks might -actually- believe in reincarnation. like hindu |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
then realized that hindu, who believes in it, behaves very differently from 'rawlsians' |
| 00:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Facebook commenters, worse than tumblrinas |
| 00:06 |
trinque |
my thought was that the average person has always been this semi-mindless imitator, quite human to try to tend towards the middle, whatever that may be |
| 00:06 |
trinque |
a sort of swarming behavior |
| 00:06 |
trinque |
and that this historically would've been swarming around a command structure |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i would say they believe in... descuamation. |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
specifically, actual life is too much of a burden, so they wish to be... well killed, basically. |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
iirc orwell had one of these |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
'short of death, the ultimate relinquishment of responsibility' |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
see, the hindu psychological driver is coping with harsh environment. so that models the person one way. |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
but specifically the 'you, yes you, -could- be a leprous beggar!' thing |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
it only makes sense in a hindu-style cosmography |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the western rapemeats' driver is on the contrary : look how much i should have achieved and how utterly i have failed at all of it. |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
depression incumbent then is resolved as a "yes but my REAL SELF has not come yet" |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
at which point the fantasy of magical body exchanges is, like the armchair generalship of you know, running mpex from the forum, a very natural escape. |
| 00:08 |
assbot |
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| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
the fantasy, like magnet, has opposite pole of 'body exchange hell' as well as heaven |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
where believer is invited to picture himself as blind from birth street urchin etc |
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| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
but you see, the idea being, that if they had no body AT ALL... they wouldn't have failed. |
| 00:10 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: this seems to be the victim culture thing |
| 00:10 |
mircea_popescu |
next best thing to no body at all being, a vague body which "might have been" |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
the adventures of the human wavefunction, aha |
| 00:10 |
trinque |
I had a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today |
| 00:10 |
trinque |
s/today$// |
| 00:10 |
decimation |
nah, I think the western statism is simple Christianity without god - 'god is dead, it's up to us to build heaven on earth' |
| 00:11 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform incidentally, i suspect a large number of the rapemeat, aka sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin sexually abused on a constant basis. |
| 00:11 |
mircea_popescu |
because IN THAT CONTEXT, they would be heroes |
| 00:11 |
trinque |
decimation: yup, this HR department morality thing is *so* protestant |
| 00:11 |
mircea_popescu |
worthy of their own pity. |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: after christianity (and possibly mithraism before it) pushed this notion as far as the pedal would go, for 2k yrs, big surprise ? |
| 00:12 |
mircea_popescu |
no surprise at all |
| 00:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i think it's necessary. hegelhistory. |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like forest fire is necessary. |
| 00:12 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
| 00:13 |
mircea_popescu |
forest fire is a necessary outcome of drought. |
| 00:13 |
mircea_popescu |
in a land which had biomass growth pedal to the floor. |
| 00:13 |
decimation |
in the western us, the most dangerous forest fires happen after lots of rain |
| 00:13 |
trinque |
and entirely absent any social structure beyond dysfunctional families |
| 00:13 |
decimation |
the verdant landscape suddenly dries and goes poof |
| 00:13 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation how does that work ? |
| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, like a week after ? |
| 00:14 |
decimation |
well, dry spells immediately following wet spells |
| 00:14 |
decimation |
more like the next season |
| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
| 00:15 |
BingoBoingo |
<trinque> I had a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today << I dunno why trans would label their opposition cis- because when talking isomers... transgeometric isomers tend to be poisonous, or at least less supporting of continued life than cis isomers. |
| 00:15 |
mircea_popescu |
irony is wasted on the stupid. |
| 00:17 |
BingoBoingo |
I kinda figure normal ordinary responsible people should refocus the conversation on dext vs. levo rotary. dext (normal) rotary amphetamine feels good man. levo just induces stress reactions and nihilism. |
| 00:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Lafonde guy is pretty good for the current events http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2409&pr=0 |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo personally, i find the aggitation of marginal women which i'd never fuck or empower anyway about how things should be very entertaining. |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin... pet sayeth - summarized: 'more complicated than this. by and large, they diagnose themselves with imagined disabilities and enjoy wearing magic disability mantle.' |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ayup. |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
manifestation, imo. |
| 00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
why's that girl not in here anyway ? not like ben_vulpes' gonna steal her away with his magic tango skillz... |
| 00:19 |
decimation |
I guess she blew her wad on 2000 lines or whatever |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
can't be arsed. |
| 00:19 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: But the people pushing the trans/cis thing largely aren't women. They are some large women and some men who have modified their sex to a null state. |
| 00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo whether they're women or not is not up to them. gender is something allocated to one. by, in this case, me. |
| 00:20 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> can't be arsed. << I can see why you get along. |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
iirc kakobrekla has one of these also. |
| 00:21 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo whether they're women or not is not up to them. gender is something allocated to one. by, in this case, me. << I see this. |
| 00:21 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: From what I understand kakobrekla and lampelina sleep in shifts. |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
gender is something allocated to one << sure. declare a lump of earth 'fork' |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
has forkness assigned. |
| 00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what else do you suppose ru prison pederasty is if not allocated womanhood |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 00:22 |
* |
trinque wonders if there's such a thing as reproductive suicide, biologically speaking |
| 00:22 |
decimation |
'time for yer turn in the barrel' |
| 00:22 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: Menopause? |
| 00:22 |
trinque |
someone's too full of plastic or what have you, and suddenly they're transfluid-hyperqueer |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: though, to be fair, it is 'mined' rather than synthesized ab initio. mined by selecting folks with some inclination pre-existing |
| 00:22 |
trinque |
the psychology of some of these people just says "couldn't pull the trigger, didn't even have a gun" |
| 00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know the thousand dollar whore joke ? |
| 00:23 |
asciilifeform |
hm? |
| 00:23 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
guy goes into mining town with a thousand dollars in gold. |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
straight to largest brothel. "i want a girl" |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, be twenty, or an ounce. |
| 00:24 |
* |
BingoBoingo suspects asciilifeform told this one |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
no. i want a 1000 dollar girl. |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
sorry man... |
| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
he does this for a while, eventually a less scrupulous owner takes his thousand |
| 00:25 |
mircea_popescu |
girl in room "hello baby, where do you want to put it ? my ass ? my ..." |
| 00:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"shut up bitch. for a thousand dollars i make my own holes." |
| 00:26 |
BingoBoingo |
!s make my own holes |
| 00:26 |
assbot |
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| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
l0lz |
| 00:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh twas mp who told it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#501993 |
| 00:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-02-2014 23:14:48; mircea_popescu: "babe, for 10k i make my own holes" |
| 00:27 |
trinque |
I have no issue whatsoever with homosexuality... this thing though where what... the actual reproducing members of the species must die? |
| 00:27 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque it IS an in joke. |
| 00:27 |
trinque |
that's a very particular reckless suicidality |
| 00:28 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/5/18/whites-behaving-badly |
| 00:29 |
mircea_popescu |
you're taking it literally. |
| 00:29 |
trinque |
lol, oh, I am missing nuance? |
| 00:29 |
mircea_popescu |
two. |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: are you familiar with j. b. calhoun's 'mouse utopia' ? |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.physicsoflife.pl/dict/calhoun%27s_experiment.html |
| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque you familiar with the concepts of jews and forced memes ? |
| 00:30 |
trinque |
no |
| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
lurkmoar :D |
| 00:30 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: and yes |
| 00:30 |
trinque |
"beautiful ones" and so on? |
| 00:30 |
trinque |
that's exactly what it seems like, some biological mechanism going off due to stress or who knows what |
| 00:30 |
trinque |
!s jews forced memes |
| 00:30 |
assbot |
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| 00:30 |
trinque |
:'( |
| 00:30 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: Homosexuality is a thing. A number of people do it with a strong irreplacable preferance and given the roster that includes turing it isn't a thing to demonize. |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php << moar pics. |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
'Mice found themselves born into a world that was more crowded every day, and there were far more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against, males found it difficult and stressful to defend their territory, so they abandoned the activity. Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated |
| 00:31 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo: I'm not demonizing it at all, even waffled sufficiently to indicate this :D |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
a group Calhoun termed the beautiful ones, never sought sex and never foughtthey just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection. Elsewhere, cannibalism, pansexualism, and violence became endemic. Mouse society had collapsed.' |
| 00:31 |
trinque |
but there's a specific blend of queer and self-destructive I've met enough times to know it's a thing |
| 00:31 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque the jew part i really can't explain. but a forced meme is what cancerous fags do when they try to create a meme. which is EXACTLY like what idiot kids do when they "create exchange", but exactly. ignorance so ignorant it doesn't grok why it's being ignorant but thinks itself clever. |
| 00:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Like anything else in the postmodern era... the fandom that attaches is... |
| 00:31 |
mircea_popescu |
now, the "kill men" bla bla is exactly this : a forced jew meme for that particular subculture. |
| 00:31 |
trinque |
ah yeah, that makes sense |
| 00:31 |
cazalla |
omg channel is full of.. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lon8fsN34w1qdhrwbo1_500.jpg |
| 00:32 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque so your original interpretation is not unlike saying 4chan is antisemitic. |
| 00:32 |
trinque |
it's a fair point |
| 00:32 |
mircea_popescu |
it'ds not even wrong. |
| 00:32 |
trinque |
yours I mean |
| 00:33 |
trinque |
cazalla: ahahaha |
| 00:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, looks like /btc/ fell of of 8ch |
| 00:37 |
mircea_popescu |
onoes |
| 00:37 |
decimation |
from my point of view the whole 'gay rights' thing looks to be about bossing around whitey who cowers in learned helplessness |
| 00:39 |
trinque |
it does, the in-group signaling thing makes a lot of sense too though, and furthermore that things you can only say in your in-group are the best signals |
| 00:39 |
decimation |
that at trying to immanentize the eschaton |
| 00:40 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Still there, just not poplar enough |
| 00:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Need moar http://www.thujagardens.com/LombardyPoplar.html |
| 00:41 |
assbot |
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| 00:42 |
BingoBoingo |
But not really Lombary Poplars suck. Grow too fast, insufficient trunk strength, gets blown over on the first strong wind. And if it doesn't blow over dies at 30 anyways because fuck you. |
| 00:42 |
assbot |
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| 00:42 |
decimation |
yeah poplars are shit wood |
| 00:43 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it is an excellent model for the reddit/tumblr/etc failure modes. |
| 00:43 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo poplars are the hitchiker whore of trees. cheap, available and ineffectual. |
| 00:43 |
decimation |
note that the failure mode with the mice isn't too little information - it's too much |
| 00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
" more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against" << that's the hot core of failure. |
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| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: failure mode - as with most mechanisms under the sun - is from operation outside of envelope. |
| 00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I dunno hitchiker whores can make it to 40 and become settled whores unless they roll a Ted Bundy |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess there's that. |
| 00:46 |
BingoBoingo |
And poplars too have a purpose. If you are otherwise broke, have rain, and really want firewood for next winter... |
| 00:47 |
decimation |
!up AmbitionzAzARida |
| 00:47 |
decimation |
!up evian11_____ |
| 00:47 |
BingoBoingo |
!up evian11_____ |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
It's just... really hard to trust a tree that struggles to live twice as long as a dog |
| 00:48 |
decimation |
http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/nicholas_vincen.html < "The myth, even as early as the 12th century, that the English are freeborn people--it's a load of nonsense; they come from Troy; they are the exiles from ancient Troy defeated by the Greeks: they go off and they found this kingdom of England from which they eventually get a king called Arthur. But they are a freedom-loving people. They live under liberty and freedom. Of |
| 00:49 |
decimation |
english 'liberty' as founded in the magna carta is just repeating asperations until they become true |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: hard to trust a tree that struggles to live twice as long as a dog << brings up a point re: another tree. in ru, folks traditionally are fascinated with the huge birch forests. but consider, birch is a short-lived 'pioneer species' |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
it lives where earth was disrupted, destroyed |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
where - typically - pasture was left fallow |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
on account of famine, war, plague |
| 00:51 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: There's a couple of older birch trees near here. Exceptional because... don't look much like the other birches. |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: as a boy, i took a 1200km train ride. nothing but birch. |
| 00:53 |
BingoBoingo |
My biggest annoyance at this phase of the summer's landscaping gigs is actually hickory. Lives forever, quality wood... but... The squirrels plant it. It lays low for a couple years and then zoom towards the heavens. |
| 00:54 |
BingoBoingo |
And because squirrels plant it before cats eat them for winter sustenance, squirrels plant them in the worst places |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: looked rather like this: http://poselok1928.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/112.jpg |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
as far as eye can see. |
| 00:55 |
BingoBoingo |
That is pretty beautiful. Probably will be for another decade or two |
| 00:57 |
decimation |
I'm a sucker for a large stately sycamore tree |
| 00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: sycamore is even choice wood for some applications. Also low on litter and grows big. |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
yeah, butcher blocks |
| 01:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Also countertops, just fuck it. Granite bleeds radon and marble stains. Just install block and sand, then replace in a decade. |
| 01:02 |
assbot |
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| 01:02 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders what old-fashioned headsman's chopping blocks were made of |
| 01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Even birch is useful if you want to build a brownwater vessel |
| 01:03 |
decimation |
eh, for countertops use quartz |
| 01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
But poplar is only useful for filing insurance claims and watching your fuel wood burn too fast. |
| 01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: porous, loses to red wine |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
no. |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
quartz porous ?! |
| 01:04 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I thought they braced behind the chop |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
no more porous than your house windows |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
or light bulb |
| 01:05 |
BingoBoingo |
http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2703805/white-quartz-countertops-and-staining |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
even glass - stains |
| 01:06 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: If ideal quartz were marketed for this purpose no staining |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
not perfectly smooth, aha. but not porous |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: braced behind the chop << old-school chopping blocks did not have 'chin rests' but were something like butcher blocks |
| 01:06 |
decimation |
I never heard of quartz staining |
| 01:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, but countertop quartz, are you expecting a single piece? Most nao are chip and epoxy abominations unless you beat the greek (stone people are almost always greek) appropriately |
| 01:07 |
decimation |
yeah, it's got epoxy |
| 01:07 |
decimation |
also it takes no maintenace and looks nice |
| 01:08 |
decimation |
actually if you want functionality - stainless steel |
| 01:08 |
decimation |
easy to clean, antibacterial |
| 01:09 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google chromium poisoning |
| 01:09 |
gribble |
Chromium Toxicity Clinical Assessment - History, Signs and Symptoms: <http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=10&po=11>; Chromium toxicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_toxicity>; chromium poisoning - chromium related illness - injured by chromium: <http://www.thompsons.law.co.uk/workplace-illnesses-and-diseases/chromium-related- (1 more message) |
| 01:09 |
decimation |
oh good lord |
| 01:09 |
decimation |
how much chromium you gonna pick up from a stainless pot? |
| 01:09 |
BingoBoingo |
However much is on the surface |
| 01:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Wear items are expendable |
| 01:13 |
BingoBoingo |
And engineering is an art of compromises |
| 01:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, and reddit is downs agan |
| 01:21 |
assbot |
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| 01:45 |
BingoBoingo |
!up gavmatic |
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| 02:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.00026387 = 13.4574 BTC [+] |
| 02:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00026387 = 5.2774 BTC [+] |
| 02:12 |
mircea_popescu |
troy ?! wtf. |
| 02:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#comment-114287 << achtung asciilifeform |
| 02:18 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I think he prefers the salutation "panzer" when so hailed |
| 02:19 |
mircea_popescu |
panzer asciilifeform |
| 02:20 |
BingoBoingo |
So, as of a few hours ago this laptop is nao on its 4th cooling fan. |
| 02:22 |
mircea_popescu |
hot stuff |
| 02:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Seriously. Demanded fans every ~14-16 months on nigbuntu and nao wants to move to a 6 month schedule on OpenBSD |
| 02:24 |
BingoBoingo |
I blame Bitcoin |
| 02:24 |
BingoBoingo |
in a good way |
| 02:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77800 @ 0.00026385 = 20.5275 BTC [-] |
| 02:33 |
mircea_popescu |
quartz chips under the blade if not epoxied |
| 02:34 |
BingoBoingo |
It does. And if epoxied it not only chips, but tunnels. Too brittle |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 02:54 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell gabriel_laddel The more time I spend with nonegenarians the kinder dementia pugilistica sounds |
| 02:54 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 02:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://netsledov.ru/issledovateli-bezopasnosti-vzlomali-4096-bitnye-rsa-kluchi/ moar ru. apparently they really like alf. |
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| 03:00 |
BingoBoingo |
alf is one of them |
| 03:02 |
BingoBoingo |
alf is more Russian than them prolly |
| 03:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Best I can guess alf is cold war relic Yeltsin was too drunk to deactivate and Putin found too cute to turn off |
| 03:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167200 @ 0.00025706 = 42.9804 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:25 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c "легальные резиденты" my ratting comment @ the_scourge ? lol |
| 03:36 |
BingoBoingo |
So, "Guardians of the Galaxy" least unbelievable of the Disney/Marvel movies |
| 03:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00025758 = 5.1516 BTC [+] |
| 03:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135920 @ 0.00025633 = 34.8404 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:09 |
BingoBoingo |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 04:09 |
gabriel_laddel |
Oh hell yeah |
| 04:09 |
gabriel_laddel |
ty |
| 04:12 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: Sometimes other senses fail first |
| 04:12 |
gabriel_laddel |
https://plus.google.com/photos/101394835895920000944/albums/5938074007124872641/5938073881911435698?pid=5938073881911435698&oid=101394835895920000944 |
| 04:13 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ see the first comment on the photo |
| 04:13 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NOncx2jU0Q << Why they're trying to replicate the human hand/arm exactly idk |
| 04:14 |
gabriel_laddel |
one could do *much* better quite easily. |
| 04:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, the rougher part is people with the grey and white matter in tact with the senses failing |
| 04:14 |
gabriel_laddel |
Hey if you want to die, I'm not here to stop you. |
| 04:15 |
mircea_popescu |
how goes gabriel_laddel |
| 04:16 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: finished an (interactive) Architectural tour of Masamune. |
| 04:16 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: need to find a box to hack the install proc on |
| 04:16 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey. |
| 04:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: if you know someone in the SF Bay area who would throw me a computer, that would be tight. |
| 04:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'm putting off messaging a friend atm |
| 04:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
also, I'm broke, otherwise I'd just buy one. |
| 04:18 |
mircea_popescu |
can't say as i do... |
| 04:18 |
mircea_popescu |
but listen, if you're broke is thsi sort of grand architectural commitment the bestest policy ? |
| 04:18 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: I've been broke for like a year now |
| 04:19 |
mircea_popescu |
"i've had cancer for like a year now". good for you but eventually it'll kill ya. |
| 04:19 |
gabriel_laddel |
So... you remember the tide usd vs. usd usd discussion? |
| 04:19 |
mircea_popescu |
yeh |
| 04:19 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'll be fine |
| 04:19 |
mircea_popescu |
aite. |
| 04:19 |
gabriel_laddel |
The only reason I do what I do is.. for the money |
| 04:20 |
mircea_popescu |
masamoney ? |
| 04:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
yea |
| 04:20 |
mircea_popescu |
you wanna run me through that again ? |
| 04:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
which part. |
| 04:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/introduction.lisp |
| 04:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: So I see you like CLIM |
| 04:21 |
mircea_popescu |
the money part. |
| 04:22 |
mircea_popescu |
im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to |
| 04:22 |
mircea_popescu |
;;; communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. |
| 04:22 |
gribble |
Error: ";" is not a valid command. |
| 04:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00025758 = 7.7274 BTC [+] |
| 04:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 04:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel |
| 04:25 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=gabriel_laddel | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gabriel_laddel/ |
| 04:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
I've been broke for like a year, working on that which interests me so that I can make large sums of money rather than the 70-100k/yr you get programming. Also, money is just a system for communicating ideas about value - if one has value it can be turned into money and vice versa. |
| 04:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
Masamune is going to make someone a lot of $ |
| 04:26 |
gabriel_laddel |
ask trinque how much better CLIM is than anything else on Earth |
| 04:27 |
* |
mircea_popescu struggles to follow. |
| 04:28 |
mircea_popescu |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 04:28 |
mircea_popescu |
are you in like a public library in guatemala or something |
| 04:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
at home with an unpaid AT&T bill |
| 04:29 |
gabriel_laddel |
which is seriously fucking up my ability to speak atm |
| 04:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
they block various websites, but not all the time? |
| 04:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74050 @ 0.00025612 = 18.9657 BTC [-] |
| 04:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
I can get on duckduckgo, but not google, but can get on google+? |
| 04:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
Idk |
| 04:31 |
mircea_popescu |
okay so... how;s this oging to pay your internets bill ? |
| 04:31 |
mircea_popescu |
america's top&trolls lol |
| 04:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 04:31 |
gabriel_laddel |
it isn't |
| 04:31 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me. |
| 04:32 |
mircea_popescu |
as in, urmom ? |
| 04:32 |
gabriel_laddel |
nah |
| 04:32 |
gabriel_laddel |
just people I've met since moving to Cali |
| 04:32 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. so how did you come up with the 20 figure ? |
| 04:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: sorry, 20? |
| 04:33 |
mircea_popescu |
see, this is the golden rule of magic numbers : if you use one and then need context to indentify it, you've misused a magic number. |
| 04:33 |
mircea_popescu |
medium sized organizations (1-20 persons). |
| 04:34 |
mircea_popescu |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 04:34 |
mircea_popescu |
nuts. |
| 04:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
yeah |
| 04:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
After ~20 people you lose the ability for everyone to know everyone else. |
| 04:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
you can't convince 30 people who don't know lisp to use it. |
| 04:35 |
mircea_popescu |
that's called dunbar's number and is ~100 not ~20 |
| 04:35 |
mircea_popescu |
unless you're retarded |
| 04:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
well, a software development team has different dynamics |
| 04:35 |
mircea_popescu |
how have you established this ? |
| 04:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
working on a software development team |
| 04:35 |
mircea_popescu |
one ? |
| 04:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
two |
| 04:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 216250 @ 0.00025438 = 55.0097 BTC [-] {3} |
| 04:36 |
mircea_popescu |
nuts. |
| 04:36 |
gabriel_laddel |
The 20 number isn't a hard limit by any means, and I suppose I should change it because I pulled it out of my arse. |
| 04:36 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly. |
| 04:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"From this point forward it is assumed you have set aside some time to learn Masamune and need no justification for as to why any particular abstraction has been chosen." << so is this a cult then ? |
| 04:37 |
gabriel_laddel |
Nah, justification is available, I just don't want it cluttering the presentation. |
| 04:37 |
mircea_popescu |
that is a very different statement from the statement you're actually making. |
| 04:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
:/ I don't immediately see how that is, but OK. |
| 04:39 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: Is the argentine legal system as derpy as the rest of the country? |
| 04:40 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it's much worse. |
| 04:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"HotSlut22" #P"/root/quicklisp/local-projects/masamune/images/hot-slut22-avatar.png"))) o.O |
| 04:42 |
gabriel_laddel |
Yup. |
| 04:43 |
gabriel_laddel |
I needed an avatar for an example WoT program and dipped into the xxx folder |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
github is so fucking retarded |
| 04:45 |
gabriel_laddel |
as is git |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"Contributions in the last year". what the FUCK does this mean. |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"i dunno man, i just like counting" |
| 04:45 |
gabriel_laddel |
haha |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a count of the items i've been counting : 833 |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
now divide it by 7 and make a graph! |
| 04:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
Graphs are the future yo |
| 04:46 |
mircea_popescu |
fake meaningless numbers processed as if they weren't. fucking fiat mindrot |
| 04:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
Data visualization will save the seas of failed "college students".... or so they hope. |
| 04:46 |
mircea_popescu |
this user has produced 77 productions and consumed 52 consumptions. 991 users approve. |
| 04:48 |
mircea_popescu |
politicomathsocioscience 101 for the new generation : let there be user A who has 43 positive meaningless ticks and 22 negative meaningless ticks ; and user B who has 12 PMT and 17 NMT. who would win in a fight between homer simpson and a himalayan sherpa ? |
| 04:48 |
mircea_popescu |
a : user B, because his PMT are cars, whereas user A's PMTs are empty cherio wrappers. |
| 04:49 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: if you've got some spare time on your hands, (Mc)CLIM is neato |
| 04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
im testing eulora atm. |
| 04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
"how many lcd screens do you get by adding seven oranges to a bucket of water ?" "8" |
| 04:51 |
gabriel_laddel |
I didn't know the eurola crafting system was so advanced |
| 04:52 |
mircea_popescu |
>1k items o.O |
| 04:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198750 @ 0.00025541 = 50.7627 BTC [+] |
| 04:56 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> that's called dunbar's number and is ~100 not ~20 << See how Dunbar's number works is you can know 150 people, harass 1500 people, but only count on at most 15 to follow instructions |
| 04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
it gets complicated. |
| 04:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Indeed |
| 04:59 |
BingoBoingo |
White people had a big gunfight in Texas over the weekend without civilian casualties and now everyone derps about big bad biker gangs |
| 04:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Poplar discourse is stupid |
| 05:00 |
gabriel_laddel |
Isn't Texas in a standoff with the Federal gov. atm? |
| 05:00 |
BingoBoingo |
That actually might be over or ongoing. |
| 05:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Weekend's drama was apparently biker gang splinter group was being confronted by their sponsors and likely DEA agent ran over some dude's toes, then hemophilia |
| 05:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Just assuming DEA, because gunfight... |
| 05:06 |
BingoBoingo |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 05:06 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-04-2015#1097710 << If I take different 3 buckets of paint and mix them into a homogeneous color is the system more or less ordered? |
| 05:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-04-2015 20:39:18; mircea_popescu: africa is actually, at least from what i've observed, extremely ordered. |
| 05:06 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-04-2015#1097619 << Thanks, that sentence was wrong. I was attempting to say was "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax short a full parser+printer". This is an extremely important point, addressed by Erik in his perl treatise: |
| 05:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-04-2015 19:58:13; ben_vulpes: "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax (detect false positives short a full parser)" << this strikes me as a special case of the "cannot simulate a universe without a universe" claim. |
| 05:06 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3163193555464012@naggum.no.html http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3142145710427254@naggum.no.html |
| 05:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Depends on the strength of your microscope |
| 05:09 |
Apocalyptic |
;;later tell asciilifeform re pgpdump it actually displays details of HPA's invalid subkey, but for some reason doesn't print the associated keyid even once so my grep missed it |
| 05:09 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 05:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00025541 = 1.0983 BTC [+] |
| 05:12 |
gabriel_laddel |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 << I'm not envisioning a great new wave of lisp on UNIX. Most people, when they use software, never question foundational abstractions. I can hack lisp, but cannot hack the myriad "dodo languages" UNIX is written in (and retain my sanity). If people are going to be writing code it should be in |
| 05:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other. |
| 05:12 |
gabriel_laddel |
CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste. Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p |
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| 05:12 |
gabriel_laddel |
romptly forget about it. Actual people don't forget the experience of using something interesting (see your own hypercard post). I want them to be absolutely fucking incensed when they encounter windows or the like. Also, I love being able to kill/yank text in the browser + Emacs + CLIM. Also, money. |
| 05:14 |
gabriel_laddel |
trinque: is that like when gabriel_laddel reads loper-os then screams about lisp at everyone? << After using CLIM, do you feel like screaming at people? |
| 05:15 |
gabriel_laddel |
03:55:16 mircea_popescu: or for that matter, predict the next one, so you know where not to go o.O << Cincinnati |
| 05:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. |
| 05:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: I'd argue with you, but it'll be less labor intensive to just wait until you use it (or even a select codebase like CLIM) |
| 05:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
everything will "click" |
| 05:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
and you'll say something similar to trinque "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life" |
| 05:21 |
gabriel_laddel |
at least, this is my prediction |
| 05:22 |
mircea_popescu |
well, i don't code much, so it's unlikely to make much difference to me. but in any case, this is how a good joke goes, or a good book. good books don't make much money. |
| 05:23 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: if you had Eurola shipped in 1/2 the time this would matter to you, no? |
| 05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. the sticking point atm is the art and my game design, not the code. |
| 05:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd be pretty pissy if it was waiting on code. |
| 05:27 |
mircea_popescu |
but w/e, im a bad example. suppose for someone it matters, and it saves them 10 billion pula. |
| 05:27 |
mircea_popescu |
so they install it and run it, and that's that. |
| 05:27 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you capture a fraction of the 10 bn pula ? |
| 05:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
I took an early demo (long before I discovered CLIM) to large company X, demonstrated all the information I could collect, that I could write lessons integrated into the whole desktop environment. This company has the sneaking suspicion that people sort of dick around during the onboarding process and there is a huge variation in how long people ta |
| 05:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
ke to complete it. Via Masamune it is possible to find out what these people are doing, optimize confusing paths etc. |
| 05:29 |
gabriel_laddel |
I plan to write custom (source included) extensions for select parteners |
| 05:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
eventually, if possible sell a 3D 'CLIM' |
| 05:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00025366 = 13.9006 BTC [-] |
| 05:31 |
mircea_popescu |
so rhel basically |
| 05:31 |
mircea_popescu |
aka, art (in the "what is art" on trilema sense - work for the lord). |
| 05:33 |
mircea_popescu |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 05:33 |
mircea_popescu |
well... hopefully you have an artist's stomach |
| 05:34 |
mircea_popescu |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 05:34 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: exactly |
| 05:35 |
mircea_popescu |
who knew computing will spawn its own minstrelsy |
| 05:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
lol |
| 05:35 |
mircea_popescu |
(historically this is the EXACT contribution of the artist to the world, your "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life" or as jourdain put it, "i had no idea i was talking in prose".) |
| 05:37 |
gabriel_laddel |
Mathematica makes money, people say the exact same things about their software "I have lived in a...", but their product is braindamaged. |
| 05:38 |
mircea_popescu |
mathematica only makes money because it's braindamaged imo |
| 05:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
do explain |
| 05:38 |
mircea_popescu |
not causation, but unbreakable correlation |
| 05:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, you can't have the things that make it make money without the causes of the braindamage |
| 05:39 |
gabriel_laddel |
Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money - their products were not braindamaged. |
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| 05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
you might be misinformed. |
| 05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
they failed for purely sales reasons. |
| 05:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
Yep. |
| 05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so no, they didn't make money |
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| 05:40 |
gabriel_laddel |
The real question is - how much did they spend on real estate in CA? |
| 05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, that also |
| 05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
idiots. |
| 05:41 |
* |
gabriel_laddel *shrugs* |
| 05:42 |
gabriel_laddel |
Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time. |
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| 05:42 |
gabriel_laddel |
it doesn't exist. |
| 05:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought you had bills in arrears. how would you pay a 10k bill ? |
| 05:42 |
gabriel_laddel |
I've not always been broke |
| 05:43 |
gabriel_laddel |
I just happen to be atm |
| 05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
so you would have, rather than would ? |
| 05:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92432 @ 0.00025366 = 23.4463 BTC [-] |
| 05:43 |
gabriel_laddel |
if sane computing existed I would (update and then) send out my resume |
| 05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
provided, of course, they let you work on it only |
| 05:44 |
gabriel_laddel |
not at all |
| 05:44 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'd happily work at pretty much anything to make money for a sane computer. |
| 05:44 |
mircea_popescu |
so imagine it exists and they don't let you work on it oh oh oh i see. |
| 05:44 |
mircea_popescu |
so imagine it exists and it costs the money you have + 1. |
| 05:45 |
gabriel_laddel |
yeah? |
| 05:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i think for the record most capitalists work on this concept |
| 05:45 |
gabriel_laddel |
^ this is my impression |
| 05:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"the world sucks, and id pay any sum for one that didn't. well... suppose it exists and it costs what i have +1 ... best get to work then" |
| 05:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
That sentence is somewhat confusing. |
| 05:46 |
mircea_popescu |
which part ? |
| 05:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
"that didn't. well... suppose it exists and costs what I have +1" |
| 05:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91145 @ 0.00024411 = 22.2494 BTC [-] |
| 05:47 |
gabriel_laddel |
My position is simply that I can be broke and work on what I want to work on without being terribly inconvenienced |
| 05:47 |
mircea_popescu |
1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for a world that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly that world doesn't exist ; 4. but the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for the money he has + 1 |
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| 05:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so 5. he goes to work, makes more money. this of course scales up the price. |
| 05:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so he spends his life chasing the world that doesn't suck, a dollar at a time. |
| 05:48 |
gabriel_laddel |
Hmm.. I think 4 should be "the capitalist simply presumes it *will* exist" |
| 05:48 |
mircea_popescu |
why? |
| 05:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95100 @ 0.00025541 = 24.2895 BTC [+] |
| 05:48 |
gabriel_laddel |
If it doesn't exist, and other people want it - go make and sell it. |
| 05:49 |
mircea_popescu |
he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. |
| 05:49 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, this approach illuminates the fundamentally pessimistic outlook of the socialist. |
| 05:50 |
mircea_popescu |
(which is why "does" not "will" - the bourgeois has no adherence to metaphysics.) |
| 05:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103450 @ 0.00025714 = 26.6011 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:53 |
gabriel_laddel |
"he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. " << I don't understand how this follows |
| 05:55 |
gabriel_laddel |
This model is bizzare. So if I'm a capitalist I should make money to purchase that which does not exist? |
| 05:55 |
gabriel_laddel |
admittedly, you can hire people |
| 05:55 |
gabriel_laddel |
but in this particular situation, who? |
| 05:55 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'd end up having to type for them, and at that point, wtf I'll just do it myself |
| 06:00 |
gabriel_laddel |
Though I'll note the "chasing a better world a dollar at a time" makes a great deal of sense, unless one lives in the peculiar bezzle-buck nightmare we currently inhabit. |
| 06:04 |
gabriel_laddel |
story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again. |
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| 06:04 |
gabriel_laddel |
alright, goodnight. |
| 06:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 15000 @ 0.000207 = 3.105 BTC [+] |
| 06:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MG] 18000 @ 0.00009 = 1.62 BTC [-] |
| 06:14 |
mircea_popescu |
if you're a capitalist everything exists |
| 06:15 |
* |
mircea_popescu thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple. |
| 06:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138350 @ 0.00025037 = 34.6387 BTC [-] |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67765 @ 0.00025758 = 17.4549 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00025744 = 7.2984 BTC [-] |
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| 07:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. << I didn't see this prior to our conversation, courtesy of not paying my bills. This is actually the crux of it, so let's revisit. You've publicly stated something to th |
| 07:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
e effect of "linux devs are idiots and I'd like a judiciously defaulted gentoo please". The question is, at what point does this become something that you (or others ben_vulpes, mod6, asciilifeform etc have already wasted time derping with gentoo) would pay for? People pay for (what they see as) quality software - sublime text makes money, as does |
| 07:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
Intellij. The problem with these (ALGOL based) businesses is that their organizations ossify because of the sheer number of people that must get involved in any sort of "automation of programming". This is inescapable if you choose to use ALGOL. I realize that this isn't a result you believe exists, but reality doesn't care. Aside from software dev |
| 07:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
s, industrial chemists, architects, research physicists etc would like to have a plug-and-play solution for going about their work. There is money to be made here. Afaik the only way to get there is: 1. revert to paper 2. teach *everyone* what an AST is, choose a language, add AST traversal mechanisms and write *everything* in it (this will continu |
| 07:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
ally burn some of Earth's brighter minds, someone needs to think about the gnarly parser semantics when the language's syntax is updated - my experience is that you can't pay people to care) 3. use lisp. People have already tried 1 & 2, and the result is inevitably that even if they make money (Mathematica, Microsoft, Oracle...) the foundations of |
| 07:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
shit catch up with them and we end up where we are today - nothing works and everyone insists that it does because they've bought into a lie. As for "is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise", thank you, will update. |
| 07:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: if you're a capitalist everything exists << this makes no sense to me. |
| 07:46 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple. << I'm almost insulted. |
| 07:47 |
mircea_popescu |
lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. |
| 07:49 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem with your theory is exactly that : it's a theory. life on earth is emergent pattern in chaos, not sensible arrangement. |
| 07:50 |
chetty |
or chaos emerging from a pattern |
| 07:50 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe |
| 07:51 |
mircea_popescu |
now, the reason the quote is factually incorrect is pure godel. what you imagine as "simple" is only simple because you're using an unsimple language. otherwise, if you face the problem directly, it's very complex. |
| 07:51 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, and this is the important part, it's a poor premise because only idiots start their stuff with "most people" |
| 07:51 |
mircea_popescu |
forget most people. you've not even made something and are already blunting it ? make it be good first, most people after. |
| 07:52 |
chetty |
no such thing as 'most people' |
| 07:53 |
mircea_popescu |
and as to "if you're a capitalist everything exists" - it's a subtle point, but in order for one to be a capitalist, the requisite premise is "that which is is and necesarily is, and that which is not is not and necessarily is not", ie, parmenides. |
| 07:53 |
mircea_popescu |
so no, for a capitalist it is eminently impossible for something to not be and then come into being. |
| 07:53 |
mircea_popescu |
only discoveries. no inventions. |
| 07:53 |
mircea_popescu |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 07:54 |
gabriel_laddel |
mircea_popescu: lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. << I think she'd actually evict me, then decry that there were homeless programmers. |
| 07:55 |
gabriel_laddel |
I'm not a socialist in anycase, I support my own being evicted. |
| 07:55 |
gabriel_laddel |
I just happen to enjoy reading. |
| 07:56 |
mircea_popescu |
you know womenz can be fiercely loyal in spite of their better knowledge. |
| 07:57 |
mircea_popescu |
generally, it doesn't work out for them |
| 07:57 |
gabriel_laddel |
Heh, women tend to not be loyal to me. |
| 07:57 |
mircea_popescu |
now why would that be |
| 07:57 |
gabriel_laddel |
my experience suggests that one must fuck them for this to be the case. |
| 07:58 |
gabriel_laddel |
only discoveries. no inventions. << Okay, this makes sense - but someone must discover. |
| 07:58 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. children. |
| 07:58 |
mircea_popescu |
the historical utility of children for human society is that they are more than happy to stick random things in their mouth. |
| 07:58 |
gabriel_laddel |
!s is a child |
| 07:58 |
assbot |
62 results for 'is a child' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=is+a+child |
| 07:58 |
mircea_popescu |
they were used as exploration drones, basically. see what fruit is poisonous etc. |
| 08:00 |
gabriel_laddel |
This is basically my current utility afaik |
| 08:00 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently. |
| 08:07 |
gabriel_laddel |
!up CheckDavid |
| 08:10 |
gabriel_laddel |
!up CheckDavid |
| 08:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
!up Adlai |
| 08:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
!up Guest14108 |
| 08:23 |
gabriel_laddel |
!up shesek |
| 08:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155300 @ 0.00025415 = 39.4695 BTC [-] {2} |
| 08:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00025805 = 22.1794 BTC [+] {3} |
| 08:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212200 @ 0.00024976 = 52.9991 BTC [-] {2} |
| 08:42 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu got it |
| 08:42 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 08:45 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141568 << that thing is copy-pasted all over ru spamosphere, with scarcely any variation, and no mention whatsoever of the updates. |
| 08:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 06:59:12; mircea_popescu: http://netsledov.ru/issledovateli-bezopasnosti-vzlomali-4096-bitnye-rsa-kluchi/ moar ru. apparently they really like alf. |
| 08:48 |
asciilifeform |
and speaking of which, the paulgrahamian blackout against the story is nearly total. |
| 08:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105250 @ 0.00024961 = 26.2715 BTC [-] |
| 08:48 |
asciilifeform |
entirely absent from the peanut gallery, and voted down into oblivion in the particular spots where i personally tried to insert it. |
| 08:49 |
asciilifeform |
(the update, that is) |
| 08:50 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141789 << somehow suspected this. |
| 08:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 10:04:19; gabriel_laddel: story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again. |
| 08:50 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders how many he led into perdition |
| 08:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141741 << complicated. see below |
| 08:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 09:39:50; gabriel_laddel: Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money - their products were not braindamaged. |
| 08:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141745 << smbx spent a fortune on r&d. they tried to amortize this cost any way they could, but nothing worked - other than peddling golden toilets to usg and subsidiaries. when political fortunes changes - it was over. |
| 08:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 09:40:23; mircea_popescu: so no, they didn't make money |
| 08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes. of course. when caught lying... freeze. |
| 08:53 |
asciilifeform |
so yes, they made neat things, no, they didn't figure out how to pay for it. and no one was ever able to repeat because this has not changed - no one today can afford the necessary degree of non-retardation. |
| 08:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it works for them, no ? |
| 08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
| 08:54 |
asciilifeform |
the buggers are, likely, very busy atm - preparing their 'we did it before' |
| 08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
it didn't work for karpeles, it didn't work for lawsky, it ain't gonna work for graham, or for anyone else. |
| 08:55 |
mircea_popescu |
it only works when "everyone". there's no everyone. |
| 08:55 |
* |
asciilifeform looks forward to the demolition of graham et al |
| 08:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141750 << him and six other folks. others just want to play 'solitaire' apparently. |
| 08:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 09:42:27; gabriel_laddel: Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time. |
| 08:57 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell gabriel_laddel: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. |
| 08:57 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 09:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141772 << the interesting thing is the blindness of this stereotypical character to items which -could- exist but cannot be brought into existence through traditional methods - planning, hiring, management. ergo items which could exist if you gave $raggedlispdervish a bathtub of benjies no-strings, do not and cannot exist because this is rather like asking $capitalist to stick hi |
| 09:02 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 09:47:10; mircea_popescu: 1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for a world that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly that world doesn't exist ; 4. but the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for the money he has + 1 |
| 09:02 |
asciilifeform |
s cock in dulap. |
| 09:03 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform do i recall correctly that at some point they squandered a mn or so on some dumbass real estate deal ? |
| 09:03 |
mircea_popescu |
symbolics that is |
| 09:03 |
asciilifeform |
they did! |
| 09:03 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 09:03 |
mircea_popescu |
engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. |
| 09:03 |
asciilifeform |
and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. |
| 09:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: my argument is that if smbx had -not- sucked at management, we would not be talking about their products today. |
| 09:04 |
asciilifeform |
they would've sold unix boxes. |
| 09:04 |
asciilifeform |
like sun et al |
| 09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, alt-history. who knows. |
| 09:05 |
mircea_popescu |
im not familiar enough with the text & its context to call it |
| 09:05 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. |
| 09:05 |
asciilifeform |
-also- sold unique machine (you needed a smbx lispmach to run it, in fact, as front-end) but -also- comically mismanaged and squandered most of its dough on french chefs, etc. |
| 09:05 |
asciilifeform |
i do not believe the correlation to be pure accident here |
| 09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i am more familiar with games market 20 years later by a long shot. |
| 09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
this scenario played itself there numerous times : people with great ideas sucked at business. |
| 09:07 |
mircea_popescu |
however, because > 100 tries, rather than the 3-4 you see in os market, |
| 09:07 |
mircea_popescu |
there WERE cases which'd have been the "Competent symbolics that didn't do unix" |
| 09:07 |
mircea_popescu |
like... maybe 3. |
| 09:07 |
asciilifeform |
i'm not certain this is an accident. folks who are good at business, know better than to try selling lisp to mass market |
| 09:08 |
mircea_popescu |
you understand good games are a lot more elitist than good os right ? |
| 09:08 |
asciilifeform |
possibly |
| 09:08 |
mircea_popescu |
because os has at least theoretically utility. |
| 09:08 |
asciilifeform |
but game is also much cheaper on the expenditure side of things |
| 09:08 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody plays a game because "i hate it but whatever, it works" |
| 09:08 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 09:08 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, it is, which is how we got 100 tries rather than 3. |
| 09:08 |
asciilifeform |
'farmville' ? |
| 09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
however, that doesn't matter - how cheap it is in absolute terms. whether you have 100 outfits each owing 1mn or 5 outfits each owing 20mn |
| 09:09 |
asciilifeform |
(hated but played. or those ipad casinos from last night's thread) |
| 09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i would say this is not hate but pretend-hate. |
| 09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
like feminists "hating" men |
| 09:09 |
* |
asciilifeform can see how this might be |
| 09:11 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, symbolics was not managed by engineers. it was managed by business expert types who were mislead by engineers into believing that the cost of the research could be amortized via 'honest work.' the lisp machine vendor which -was- managed by engineers into a very early grave, was lmi corp. |
| 09:12 |
asciilifeform |
(yes, the one in rms's tales) |
| 09:12 |
mircea_popescu |
so it ... WAS managed by engineers. |
| 09:12 |
mircea_popescu |
engineer-bitch topping from the bottom still counts. |
| 09:12 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose it does! |
| 09:13 |
mircea_popescu |
you familiar with the fascinating case of fred quimby ? |
| 09:13 |
asciilifeform |
not afaik |
| 09:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, this will be enlightening. |
| 09:13 |
mircea_popescu |
you ARE deeply, intimately touched by his work |
| 09:14 |
mircea_popescu |
because fred quimby is the man that made cartoons be a meme. tom and jerry, loony tunes, all of it. |
| 09:14 |
mircea_popescu |
cartoons exist in your mental universe because fred quimby lived at some point. |
| 09:14 |
mircea_popescu |
now this man... he was a sales manager. hired away iirc from walmart, or some such, to run an animation studio. |
| 09:15 |
mircea_popescu |
which he ran exactly like a fish market. opressing the ever-so-creative creative ppls, and famously lacking any sort of a sense of humour |
| 09:15 |
mircea_popescu |
or even any interest in the subject of his profession. |
| 09:15 |
mircea_popescu |
then, after decades, and NINE oscars, ie, his weight in fucking gold, he retired. |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the studio was taken over by the jenius creative minds in questions. you probably also know their names, because they are intricately connected to the absolute worst shit animation ever saw. |
| 09:16 |
asciilifeform |
possibly on account of not being a deep scholar of this subject, i dare to guess that it was a 'balance of power' thing. |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the jetsons. scooby doo. take your pick |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
wacky fucking races. |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
if there was ever a bad cartoon, hanna & barbera made it. |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
and then went bankrupt. |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
twice |
| 09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
and never got an oscar ever again. |
| 09:16 |
asciilifeform |
the artists had enough pull to avoid being steamrollered by fishmonger. fishmonger had sufficient balls to avoid being steamrollered by artists. |
| 09:17 |
mircea_popescu |
western animation would languish until someone signed mr spiel to do 100`000 movies a year. |
| 09:17 |
mircea_popescu |
possibru. |
| 09:17 |
asciilifeform |
this existed elsewhere - various u.s. chemical and misc. r&d corps of the '40-60s come to mind |
| 09:17 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed. |
| 09:22 |
asciilifeform |
in other news, the buggers know no bounds, http://www.networkworld.com/article/2925215/security0/new-protocol-from-guardtime-hopes-to-unseat-rsa-for-authentication-digital-signatures.html |
| 09:23 |
asciilifeform |
'consider this excellent snake oil to replace tired old rsa' aha. |
| 09:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the amusing tactical implication here is that well... they actually would have loved to say rsa is bad. |
| 09:23 |
asciilifeform |
naturally. |
| 09:23 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like... that's where the entire "mp is a troll" thing came from. |
| 09:23 |
asciilifeform |
hence the immediate angle of 'omg1111!!!111!11 rsa broke' |
| 09:23 |
mircea_popescu |
shit fucking hurt, "you seriously mean he makes us choose between this and that ?!?!" |
| 09:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i must admit i had a lot of fun with it. |
| 09:24 |
asciilifeform |
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/689 << what they actually did. think 'deedbot' but since bitcoin never existed on their planet, they demand crippled computers with super seekrit drm cpu. |
| 09:25 |
asciilifeform |
on planet usg, it is always 1992 |
| 09:25 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like poor old schmuck with dementia is always whatever his age of last controlled bowel movement, mentally |
| 09:25 |
asciilifeform |
(or imagines) |
| 09:26 |
mircea_popescu |
too bad so sad etc |
| 09:26 |
asciilifeform |
'Like Bitcoin, Black Lantern uses an open-ledger system in which derived hash-value trees are maintained by Guardtime in order to monitor for changes. In the case of Bitcoin the values represent transactions; in the case of Guardtime, its the hashed signatures of the assets being tracked.' << tr0l0l0l |
| 09:27 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 09:28 |
mircea_popescu |
BLACK LANTERN dude!!1 |
| 09:28 |
mircea_popescu |
like a black hawk crashed into green lantern. |
| 09:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fucktards, these people. |
| 09:28 |
asciilifeform |
well-funded fucktards. |
| 09:29 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. the sorta-fat, cowardly, euglena-scented kid everyone beat the shit out of in school. |
| 09:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00024961 = 12.3807 BTC [-] |
| 09:30 |
asciilifeform |
euglena? the microbe ? |
| 09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
protist, yeah |
| 09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google "cu miros de euglene" |
| 09:30 |
gribble |
MO-Piftel Cenzurat de Darius Iurca - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43tDr9XndEE>; Galben de metil - Wikipedia: <http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galben_de_metil>; Murray Rothbard - Wikipedia: <http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard> |
| 09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
romanian is expressive what can i tell ya. |
| 09:30 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 09:30 |
davout |
;;ticker --market buttfinex |
| 09:30 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.38, Best ask: 235.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 235.46, 24 hour volume: 12953.63746798, 24 hour low: 233.2, 24 hour high: 236.5, 24 hour vwap: None |
| 09:31 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: expect a great many of these 'will unseat rsa' idiocies. |
| 09:32 |
mircea_popescu |
well now that it's broken... |
| 09:32 |
* |
asciilifeform sorta surprised they didn't push the 'broken' narrative further |
| 09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
what, and crown us ? |
| 09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, it's gotta be 2nd pass, with the usual vague baked in |
| 09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
"recent advances" bla bla |
| 09:33 |
asciilifeform |
... and peddle some 'lantern' replacement idiocy, why wouldn't they |
| 09:34 |
mircea_popescu |
the other half is pushing for simply outlawing it, so. |
| 09:34 |
mircea_popescu |
as you say, balance |
| 09:35 |
asciilifeform |
the 'soft power' weasels tend to eat the 'hard power' shoot'em-all types. |
| 09:36 |
asciilifeform |
just as the 'make plebes stupid & pliant' folks ate the 'pinkerton' pour la canaille - la mitraille types. |
| 09:36 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah |
| 09:36 |
asciilifeform |
(see limonov for mega-exploration of this) |
| 09:37 |
asciilifeform |
not much balance, really. eventually everything softens into the soft fecal matter (tm) of 'soft power' |
| 09:38 |
asciilifeform |
hence how the '90s 'crypto wars' ended with 'crypto is usg-legal but you can't buy an actual computer' thing |
| 09:38 |
mircea_popescu |
the idea is to avoid splashing |
| 09:42 |
asciilifeform |
splashing? |
| 09:43 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. as the us turns into shit, the balancing act consists in avoiding splashing |
| 09:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141700 @ 0.00026009 = 36.8548 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:50 |
* |
asciilifeform is marvelling at the totality and cleanliness of the blackout. virtually no traces of The List anywhere. |
| 09:51 |
asciilifeform |
anywhere public, that is |
| 09:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aeLkbmNdBooJ:forum.piratenpartei.de/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D222843&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1 <<< grenzenlosnaiv ? |
| 09:55 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=A50591247C8E37A64117B74F78AB527059E13694 << just the 2 of us. |
| 09:56 |
asciilifeform |
https://twitter.com/grenzenlosnaiv << possible candidate, german, 'pirate party' |
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| 10:13 |
wyrdmantis |
Goodmorning/goodnight |
| 10:13 |
wyrdmantis |
breaking http://bitstein.org/notebook/ben-lawsky-has-defected-to-bitcoin/ |
| 10:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00026302 = 9.0216 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:14 |
asciilifeform |
wyrdmantis: disingenuous headline. bureaucrats do this faux switcheroo all the fucking time. |
| 10:15 |
wyrdmantis |
;bc,stats |
| 10:15 |
asciilifeform |
but they are only ever on one 'side.' |
| 10:15 |
wyrdmantis |
;;bc,stats |
| 10:15 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 357427 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1420 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48731864673.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.15494 |
| 10:15 |
wyrdmantis |
so is neither bad nor good news? |
| 10:16 |
asciilifeform |
wyrdmantis: about as interesting as a burglar getting out of jail to work at an alarm company |
| 10:16 |
asciilifeform |
(which he will eventually rob) |
| 10:17 |
wyrdmantis |
asciilifeform: i see, it's hilarious |
| 10:18 |
asciilifeform |
the inevitable question which comes to mind is - why should we give a damn about this particular burglar? what world records of theft, or even of daring, did he break? |
| 10:18 |
asciilifeform |
as far as i can tell, he's just another larcenous piece of shit |
| 10:26 |
bitstein |
asciilifeform: good points. I posted it mostly as a reaction to the knee-jerk reddit response getting all butthurt that he would do such a thing. Of course, indifference may be the best response. |
| 10:28 |
asciilifeform |
bitstein: the best reaction to bureaucrats is the centuries-old formula popularized by solzhenitsyn - 'не верь не бойся не проси' ('don't believe'em, don't fear'em, don't ask [anything] of them' |
| 10:28 |
asciilifeform |
) |
| 10:28 |
bitstein |
That's great. |
| 10:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 448400 @ 0.00026496 = 118.8081 BTC [+] {5} |
| 10:32 |
chetty |
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/cops-who-flash-banged-infant-are-blaming-the-baby_052015 |
| 10:37 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: gestapo could have entered a picture of mickey mouse as a defense. and will win |
| 10:38 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: because their having to even file a defense is a mere formality. what, you imagine that court will say 'gestapo can no longer throw grenade before entering suspect house' ? |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
picture if the judge were to find for the plaintiff |
| 10:39 |
chetty |
indeed |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
quite likely the response would be something like andrew jackson's 'marshall has made his verdict, now let him enforce it.' |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
(worcester v georgia) |
| 10:40 |
asciilifeform |
'entering a room is always done in pairs. first mr. grenade, then - you.' (ru, apocryphal) |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> as far as i can tell, he's just another larcenous piece of shit << well, he's one of the first crop of derpy bureaucrats who thought they;'re gonna leverage the fiat state into a position of bitcoin power in a hostile manner. |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
he was defeated. no big whoop, for anyone except them. |
| 10:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123100 @ 0.00026797 = 32.9871 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:48 |
williamdunne |
chetty: Is that satire? |
| 10:50 |
chetty |
well I recall the incident about the kid getting hurt a while back, not so sure about the court case |
| 10:53 |
williamdunne |
Sure no I know about the baby I just meant their response |
| 10:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00026812 = 20.6452 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:57 |
chetty |
well I guess one would have to go read the actual court documents to be sure |
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| 11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
!up tcrypt |
| 11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque check it out, deedbot joined the evil side ? |
| 11:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 291 @ 0.00476312 = 1.3861 BTC [-] {6} |
| 11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
!up s7r |
| 11:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu, chetty: looks genuine. http://www.scribd.com/doc/265760507/Flash-Bang-Reply |
| 11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
eh by now the us police's got to this point where a) they're dumb enough to crash into each other and b) when it happens they'll write the wind a ticket for reckless endangerment. |
| 11:26 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, well that is certainly proof we have passed thru the looking glass, if anyone needed proof |
| 11:27 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: vestigial things, no longer having a logical reason to exist, tend to get trimmed down and eventually disappear. like cavalry sabres. in this case - the pretense of 'law' |
| 11:28 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: a) they're dumb enough to crash into each other << recall last year's shootout featuring solely police ? |
| 11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
no ? |
| 11:28 |
asciilifeform |
(iirc on two opposite sides of an obstacle, parked cars) |
| 11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
my dementia progresses unabated |
| 11:29 |
* |
asciilifeform searches logs in vain |
| 11:30 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
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| 11:54 |
lobbes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133388 << lmao. Idk why this cracks me up so much |
| 11:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-05-2015 23:16:59; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu qntra banner http://i.imgur.com/8mYHVc0.png |
| 11:55 |
davout |
News, views, & RABBITZ |
| 11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
"Autobiography is only to be trusted when it reveals something disgraceful. A man who gives a good account of himself is probably lying, since any life when viewed from the inside is simply a series of defeats. However, even the most flagrantly dishonest book (Frank Harris's autobiographical writings are an example) can without intending it give a true picture of its author. Dali's recently published LIFE comes under t |
| 11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
his heading. Some of the incidents in it are flatly incredible, others have been rearranged and romanticised, and not merely the humiliation but the persistent ORDINARINESS of everyday life has been cut out. Dali is even by his own diagnosis narcissistic, and his autobiography is simply a strip-tease act conducted in pink limelight. But as a record of fantasy, of the perversion of instinct that has been made possible b |
| 11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
y the machine age, it has great value." |
| 11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
one wonders what orwell would have thought of twitter. |
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| 12:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 347506 @ 0.00026531 = 92.1968 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
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| 12:57 |
scoopbot_revived |
There's no progress without control. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/21/theres-no-progress-without-control/ |
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| 13:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2841 @ 0.00044706 = 1.2701 BTC [+] {5} |
| |
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| 13:47 |
davout |
fluffypony: i'm in ur meetup, stealing mozilla's wifi |
| 13:50 |
davout |
first speech is quite derpy |
| 13:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110500 @ 0.00026218 = 28.9709 BTC [-] |
| 13:57 |
danielpbarron |
!up somethingsomethi |
| 13:57 |
somethingsomethi |
thanks daniel |
| 13:57 |
danielpbarron |
you are darksoul from gfy? |
| 13:57 |
somethingsomethi |
no |
| 13:57 |
somethingsomethi |
whos darksoul |
| 13:58 |
danielpbarron |
someone who shares your IP, - |
| 13:58 |
somethingsomethi |
clicked a link |
| 13:58 |
somethingsomethi |
thats probably why |
| 13:58 |
danielpbarron |
what's up, you like bitcoin or what? |
| 13:58 |
somethingsomethi |
interested |
| 13:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101000 @ 0.00025466 = 25.7207 BTC [-] {2} |
| 14:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115450 @ 0.00024885 = 28.7297 BTC [-] {2} |
| 14:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00024857 = 3.5421 BTC [-] |
| 14:06 |
danielpbarron |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134800 @ 0.00026546 = 35.784 BTC [+] {4} |
| 14:08 |
ascii_field |
;;later tell mircea_popescu msg ack'd. mega-l0l! |
| 14:08 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 14:10 |
trinque |
gabriel_laddel | story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. << don't ever do this; if you can't make money doing it, you're not the guy to do it. |
| 14:11 |
trinque |
"I can get us to Mars! It will only take more than any of us have." |
| 14:11 |
trinque |
if you're taking us to the damned promised land, better be able to complete the journey |
| 14:11 |
trinque |
you may at best go work for the guy who can |
| 14:12 |
trinque |
after he beats the word "waste" into your skull |
| 14:12 |
ascii_field |
trinque: i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this- |
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| 14:12 |
trinque |
I don't believe that. |
| 14:14 |
trinque |
or on the other hand, if the only route to mars is starvation, maybe we've got no business aiming for mars just yet |
| 14:15 |
jurov |
how doest that compare? |
| 14:16 |
trinque |
ascii_field: my observation working for a few brilliant guys is that the unwillingness to break the grand vision into chewable pieces results in failure |
| 14:16 |
jurov |
can one go to mars by carefully cultivating their mind? |
| |
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| 14:16 |
trinque |
jurov: I am saying that if you think your problem is above economics, you're wrong. |
| 14:18 |
trinque |
that said things like cardano look like chewable pieces to me |
| 14:18 |
jurov |
go tell that to any of the geniuses who pursue clarity at the cost of starving |
| 14:18 |
jurov |
that they are wrong!!! |
| 14:19 |
trinque |
what does their clarity get me? |
| 14:19 |
trinque |
how does this relate? |
| 14:19 |
jurov |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_of_starvation |
| 14:20 |
trinque |
its as if someone's laying bricks one by one, and the guy with the vision for the road says "NO, YOU MUST LAY THEM ALL AT ONCE!" |
| 14:20 |
trinque |
example, our "end user programming environment" (bastard son of spreadsheet) would've made a fine for-profit database editor |
| 14:21 |
trinque |
every other product in its space is garbage |
| 14:21 |
trinque |
but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! |
| 14:22 |
trinque |
actually better example than one road, a highway system |
| 14:22 |
trinque |
connecting two cities is useful even if the whole system isn't done. |
| 14:24 |
jurov |
if noone can snatch it from him repackage and sell, it§s your fault |
| 14:25 |
trinque |
heh, CLIM! |
| 14:26 |
jurov |
have you read the log about quimby/hannah&barbera? |
| 14:26 |
jurov |
exactly the same case |
| 14:27 |
trinque |
I'll take a look |
| 14:27 |
trinque |
http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/ << ? |
| 14:28 |
trinque |
and then whatever convo this brought about |
| 14:28 |
jurov |
and it was rehashed literally tonight |
| 14:28 |
trinque |
gabriel_laddel | I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me. << this fucking kid |
| 14:29 |
trinque |
these types if they can be managed at all have to be under the command of someone who doesn't give a shit about software as art |
| 14:32 |
ascii_field |
it isn't about 'art.' |
| 14:37 |
trinque |
assbot: near as I can tell this masamune is going to make gabriel_laddel rich because it "has" value |
| 14:37 |
trinque |
guy's never sold a thing in his life |
| 14:37 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:37 |
trinque |
and also he "has value" because people are feeding him for free? |
| 14:38 |
ascii_field |
trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. |
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| 14:38 |
trinque |
absent this are the economic considerations |
| 14:38 |
trinque |
so if there's no path from here to there, it's not a thing |
| 14:38 |
ascii_field |
the path is me with 20 years of living expenses paid. or one of possibly 3 other fellas |
| 14:38 |
trinque |
considering it as solely an engineering endeavor, you're probably right |
| 14:39 |
trinque |
that's a couple million bezzlars tops |
| 14:40 |
trinque |
not nearly the umpteen trillion I've heard before |
| 14:40 |
ascii_field |
trinque: no, it's approximately this sum in -actual money- |
| 14:40 |
ascii_field |
which is a very different matter. |
| 14:41 |
ascii_field |
(though whole debate is about whether we ought to fly to alpha centauri or proxima centauri. neither is on the table) |
| 14:44 |
trinque |
ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production? |
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| 14:44 |
trinque |
because considering that I don't see how we disagree |
| 14:44 |
ascii_field |
trinque: not related |
| 14:44 |
trinque |
just sounds like you're not thinking like a business about that |
| 14:44 |
ascii_field |
cardano is made of off-the-shelf parts. |
| 14:44 |
trinque |
I'm not talking about the hardware |
| 14:45 |
trinque |
er I mean, the engineering of it |
| 14:45 |
trinque |
but rather the logistics and cash-flow required to take on the other things |
| 14:45 |
ascii_field |
trinque: well, it is also deadly-practical, like a luger |
| 14:45 |
ascii_field |
nothing 'blue sky' about it. |
| 14:46 |
trinque |
sure, and I hope you charge me a good amount of margin atop cost to own one |
| 14:46 |
trinque |
and perhaps other deadly practical things |
| 14:47 |
trinque |
being able to control hardware via gpg-o-gram remotely, suuuuper appealing |
| 14:47 |
ascii_field |
point is, hard to compare it with project that requires quite possibly more than one lifetime's worth of ab initio research |
| 14:49 |
ascii_field |
speaking of, |
| 14:50 |
ascii_field |
rng crate, i'm told, has shipped out. |
| 14:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43722 @ 0.00024764 = 10.8273 BTC [-] {2} |
| 14:51 |
trinque |
nice |
| 15:03 |
trinque |
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden |
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| 15:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173361 @ 0.00024694 = 42.8098 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108542 @ 0.0002471 = 26.8207 BTC [+] |
| 15:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150397 @ 0.00025136 = 37.8038 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13220 @ 0.0002637 = 3.4861 BTC [+] |
| 15:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122100 @ 0.00025735 = 31.4224 BTC [-] |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89444 @ 0.00026277 = 23.5032 BTC [+] |
| 16:07 |
trinque |
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/36ru89/just_days_left_to_kill_mass_surveillance_under/crgjx6s << check out this motherfucker recommending people smartphone apps to protect their sekurity |
| 16:10 |
jurov |
it's himself? |
| 16:11 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:11 |
ascii_field |
let him sign it |
| 16:12 |
ascii_field |
otherwise it's hitler talkin'. |
| 16:12 |
ascii_field |
(leaving aside the question of whether mr s speaks for hitler) |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111500 @ 0.00026948 = 30.047 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:14 |
trinque |
who knows, but snowden TM says call your senator and install appz |
| 16:15 |
ascii_field |
or reddit says. |
| 16:19 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142132 << they could've simply poisoned him then |
| 16:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 19:03:42; trinque: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden |
| 16:19 |
ascii_field |
(or what, usg hasn't graduated from hogwarts yet and doesn't do poison?) |
| 16:20 |
jurov |
"shot and bury at sea" instead |
| 16:25 |
trinque |
the whole thing is spectacle |
| 16:27 |
trinque |
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/gyrocopter-pilot-indicted-on-six-counts/ << two felony counts -- one count of "operating as an airman without an airman's certificate" and another count of "violating registration requirements involving aircraft," |
| 16:28 |
trinque |
notably the felonies lack anything about super-top-govt airspace, those were the misdemeanors |
| 16:28 |
trinque |
the felonies are simply... we are defining your remote controlled toy as an aircraft |
| 16:28 |
ascii_field |
see also, mathias rust ( http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/the-notorious-flight-of-mathias-rust-7101888/?no-ist etc ) |
| 16:29 |
trinque |
oh shit, nevermind, it was carrying *him* |
| 16:29 |
trinque |
so his felony is being a goddamn badass that built his own gyrocopter? |
| 16:29 |
trinque |
they're terrified of capable people |
| 16:30 |
trinque |
ascii_field: incredible, I'll read it |
| 16:31 |
ascii_field |
http://www.usua.org/Rules/ruleandregs.htm << if his machine was under the weight limit - no license needed ? |
| 16:32 |
ascii_field |
(doesn't get him out of the trespassing charge, but 'flying without license') |
| 16:32 |
trinque |
does look like an ultralight, doesn't it? |
| 16:32 |
ascii_field |
aha |
| 16:32 |
trinque |
the thing's a chair and propeller |
| 16:37 |
ascii_field |
'In the room waited Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, who had stopped by for a photo op and was posing a challenge for officers discussing safe ways to get the prime minister out of the building if necessary.' << oh noez, poor muppet might lose a string or two |
| 16:40 |
williamdunne |
!rated davout |
| 16:40 |
assbot |
You rated user davout on 27-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: paymium. |
| 16:40 |
williamdunne |
!rated fluffypony |
| 16:40 |
assbot |
You rated user fluffypony on 20-Apr-2015, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Points out stupidity, and promotes what matters while maintaining his humanity. |
| 16:40 |
ascii_field |
incidentally, rust's flight caused the sacking of pretty much the whole of soviet air force brass. |
| 16:40 |
williamdunne |
!rate davout 3 paymium, met IRL |
| 16:40 |
assbot |
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| 16:40 |
ascii_field |
who, if anyone, will usg sack ? |
| 16:40 |
ascii_field |
betcha - no one. |
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| 16:41 |
williamdunne |
!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.davout.3:c906cea9df253411b904bef8d1ed9d67b4e4e03bed7e9bcd0ecbbcc71ec21ab5 |
| 16:41 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for davout from 1 to 3 with note: paymium, met IRL |
| 16:41 |
williamdunne |
!rate fluffypony 5 Met IRL, OpenRigs, Monero, etc |
| 16:41 |
assbot |
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| 16:42 |
williamdunne |
!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.fluffypony.5:1f6d4e5752dae5fb67b0f36c9a8602478011f173e8805d71ad11c9cb70326a17 |
| 16:42 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for fluffypony from 3 to 5 with note: Met IRL, OpenRigs, Monero, etc |
| 16:48 |
williamdunne |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143286 @ 0.00027208 = 38.9853 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108190 @ 0.00027363 = 29.604 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:10 |
ascii_field |
https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event << apparently this still exists. |
| 17:11 |
ascii_field |
;;later tell mircea_popescu https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/VKDVerificationPGPCom.html << mega-l0l |
| 17:12 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 17:15 |
ascii_field |
'Because the PGP Global Directory allows users to manage lost keys, it cannot use cryptographic mechanisms for verification. Instead, like mailing list servers and other public Internet services, the PGP Global Directory verifies a key by requiring a response to a verification email sent to each email address specified on the key.' |
| 17:15 |
ascii_field |
ahahahahahahaha. |
| 17:16 |
assbot |
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| 17:18 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
| 17:21 |
trinque |
holy shit that's rich |
| 17:21 |
ascii_field |
'The PGP Global Directory is not a replacement for the PGP Web of Trust, but an additional mechanism to provide a global foundation for the PGP Web of Trust that enables opportunistic secure communications.' |
| 17:21 |
ascii_field |
tr0l0l0l! |
| 17:22 |
* |
ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course |
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| 17:36 |
assbot |
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| 17:37 |
ascii_field |
https://twitter.com/pgpcorp << lulzy usgization |
| 17:38 |
ascii_field |
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/STM/cmvp/documents/140-1/140sp/140sp1325.pdf << aaaand it was bought right after nist-ized |
| 17:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24806 @ 0.00027177 = 6.7415 BTC [+] |
| 17:40 |
trinque |
!up Hasimir |
| 17:40 |
trinque |
Hasimir: register a key and I'll give you a 1 to self-voice in the future |
| 17:45 |
Hasimir |
cool, thanks |
| 17:46 |
Hasimir |
though I thought it had my key ... no matter |
| 17:46 |
ascii_field |
;;later tell mircea_popescu http://blog.spaf.us/post/119499216803/two-security-researchers-break-rsa-4096-bit-keys << hard to even believe. someone ought to contact the man (assuming he exists in life) and ask, if he shat this out |
| 17:47 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 17:47 |
Hasimir |
the sole purpose of that directory key is to provide minimal (stress minimal) proof that the entity controlling an email address approves the key as theirs, no more |
| 17:47 |
Hasimir |
the other key (kind of) like it is the Hushmail DEMO key |
| 17:47 |
Hasimir |
anyone not using hush can get their key signed by that by registering their key through the hushtools.com site and later retrieving the signed copy |
| 17:47 |
Hasimir |
the other reason for using that, though, is to allow hush users to encrypt to you |
| 17:47 |
trinque |
!gettrust Hasimir |
| 17:47 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user trinque to user Hasimir: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=Hasimir | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Hasimir/ |
| 17:48 |
Hasimir |
which really surprises journalists |
| 17:48 |
trinque |
!rate Hasimir 1 new blood |
| 17:48 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d1f2f90d631e4799 |
| 17:48 |
trinque |
!v assbot:trinque.rate.Hasimir.1:ee9a4ae47c1dbfa21b646a35781ef846e516c54a915fa94d0a8160270a65b2f8 |
| 17:48 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 1 for Hasimir with note: new blood |
| 17:48 |
Hasimir |
cheers :) |
| 17:49 |
Pierre_Rochard |
!up ascii_field |
| 17:49 |
Hasimir |
anyway, things like the directory key and the hush key are about the same as keybase.io |
| 17:50 |
Hasimir |
well, keybase might be a little more useful (but would be better if it did not try to manage private keys for anyone) |
| 17:50 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: idk why anyone would want to pwn it, either. ask the fine folks who made the faux key for it.. |
| 17:51 |
Hasimir |
well, current theory from werner is it's just a software bug |
| 17:51 |
Hasimir |
https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053644.html |
| 17:52 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: lie, and beneath contempt. |
| 17:52 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: examine the evidence for yourself. tell me it is a bug. |
| 17:52 |
Hasimir |
erm ... do you use gpg or something else to access openpgp functionality? |
| 17:52 |
ascii_field |
as, other meaning here |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
'About 30 key with a valid key binding but with a partly duplicated |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
subkey where both have a valid key binding signature. Most likely a software bug.' << possible |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
and aha, they are already starting with 'That reminds if of a private discussion I had last autumn. Some guy |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
downloaded most RSA keys from a keyserver and tried to factor....' |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
just as i predicted |
| 17:54 |
ascii_field |
shitgnomes and their 'it didn't happen. if it happened, it doesn't matter. if it matters - one of -our- people did it first, of course!' |
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| 17:54 |
ascii_field |
'Incidentally, I met one of the other guys with a broken subkey at |
| 17:54 |
ascii_field |
LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him. For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-. |
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| 17:55 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu ^^^ |
| 17:55 |
Hasimir |
he was copied in on the email directly |
| 17:56 |
Hasimir |
but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that) |
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| 17:59 |
Hasimir |
anyway, until the specific cause is identified, it can't be called either way |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
aaaand for some reason this only happens to interesting keys, aha |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
like debian signing key |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
and anwin |
| 18:00 |
ascii_field |
cosmic rays and memory corruption, apparently, can not only create valid self-sigs, but spare boring folks like you & i. |
| 18:00 |
Hasimir |
but what makes them interesting? just that it happened? |
| 18:00 |
Hasimir |
didn't spare all the boring folks |
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| 18:00 |
Hasimir |
Charly Avital is on that list too |
| 18:00 |
Hasimir |
and he's a 70-year-old hobbyist |
| 18:01 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: who said boring |
| 18:01 |
ascii_field |
what kind of hobbyist ? |
| 18:01 |
Hasimir |
just the local computer club kind |
| 18:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101100 @ 0.00027177 = 27.4759 BTC [+] |
| 18:01 |
Hasimir |
and you said boring, like 7 lines up |
| 18:02 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: you claimed that '70-year-old hobbyist' is necessarily boring |
| 18:02 |
ascii_field |
i - disagree. |
| 18:02 |
Hasimir |
oh, I see what you mean now ... so how are his keys more interesting than ours? |
| 18:03 |
trinque |
that would be the thing to answer |
| 18:03 |
ascii_field |
https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053644.html << koch claims that memory corruption can result in 1) corrupted key that is 2) has valid (!!!) signature. this is an insult to every intelligent reader and beneath contempt. |
| 18:04 |
ascii_field |
or perhaps he does not claim this, but passes off as plausible |
| 18:04 |
Hasimir |
specifically in relation to merging keys, not in general |
| 18:04 |
ascii_field |
he must think we are morons. |
| 18:04 |
ascii_field |
to even give this hypothesis the time of day, just imagine. |
| 18:04 |
ascii_field |
aaaaand 'we did this all, yes, believe us, we just never bothered to mention in public' |
| 18:04 |
Hasimir |
proving or disproving it would require merging multiple keys across a broad range of openpgp implementations and operating systems |
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| 18:05 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: the null hypothesis is not 'miracle happened.' this is not how it works. |
| 18:05 |
Hasimir |
yes, but it doesn't prove your malicious bastards theory either |
| 18:06 |
Hasimir |
no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd |
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| 18:07 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: you are asking me to believe that a large number of moduli, carefully crafted such that in mutilated form, they are factorable -and- have valid sigs, is something that could somehow happen by accident. |
| 18:07 |
ascii_field |
and that the presence of several 'interesting' names in the list, is also merely fortuitous. |
| 18:07 |
ascii_field |
and that the burden of proof somehow lies on the reasonable, literate folks who can see, plain as daylight, that this is as likely as a bullet spontaneously materializing inside lincoln |
| 18:08 |
Hasimir |
Phil Zimmermann isn't on that list, neither is RMS or even a former PM of my country (and yes, it was a real key) |
| 18:08 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu is also not on list |
| 18:08 |
ascii_field |
what of it. |
| 18:08 |
ascii_field |
no one said it includes whole planet's worth of 'cool kidz' |
| 18:08 |
Hasimir |
there are plenty of more interesting keys to target than that list |
| 18:08 |
trinque |
Hasimir: now who is speculating |
| 18:08 |
ascii_field |
and this is supposed to be an argument in favour of miracle ??! |
| 18:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95021 @ 0.00027685 = 26.3066 BTC [+] {2} |
| 18:09 |
Hasimir |
trinque, true, but if the malicious bastards theory is the most viable answer: what is the motive? |
| 18:09 |
trinque |
that's not the question to ask |
| 18:09 |
trinque |
the question is "what do these keys have in common?" |
| 18:09 |
Hasimir |
what is then? |
| 18:09 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: damned if i know. i - only see the bullet. |
| 18:09 |
Hasimir |
ah |
| 18:09 |
trinque |
and that isn't currently known |
| 18:09 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: good number of german pirate party folks |
| 18:09 |
trinque |
great reason to keep digging though |
| 18:09 |
ascii_field |
suggests to me - BND. |
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| 18:10 |
Hasimir |
trinque, indeed |
| 18:10 |
ascii_field |
(who else gives a phuck about german pirate party) |
| 18:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82929 @ 0.00028027 = 23.2425 BTC [+] |
| 18:12 |
Hasimir |
ascii_field, we certainly don't, it's why we split from ppi |
| 18:12 |
Hasimir |
I need to script that, clearly |
| 18:12 |
ascii_field |
wai wat |
| 18:12 |
ascii_field |
who is 'we' |
| 18:12 |
Hasimir |
ppau |
| 18:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99347 @ 0.00028027 = 27.844 BTC [+] |
| 18:13 |
Hasimir |
oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia |
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| 18:13 |
ascii_field |
https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053648.html |
| 18:14 |
ascii_field |
'Is it possible that a keyserver running the old, buggy PKS code |
| 18:14 |
ascii_field |
(v. 0.9.something) mangled these keys?' << are they idiots or just pretending ? |
| 18:14 |
ascii_field |
mangled and signed with valid sig, aha |
| 18:14 |
Hasimir |
it's just a question, what's the problem with asking it? |
| 18:14 |
* |
Hasimir waits for the penny to drop ... |
| 18:14 |
trinque |
"teach the controversy" tactic |
| 18:14 |
ascii_field |
^^ |
| 18:14 |
Hasimir |
hardly |
| 18:15 |
Hasimir |
I can assure you that post in particular is from someone who just wants to know the answer |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
on the one hand, how something functions, on the other, what someone intends |
| 18:16 |
ascii_field |
someone who, charitable interpretation is, did not take even five minutes to think. |
| 18:16 |
ascii_field |
'perhaps the bullet was always in lincoln, from birth' |
| 18:16 |
trinque |
the vast majority of responses I've seen to this are of the "not worth looking into" variety |
| 18:16 |
jurov |
what if the answer is no, keyserver can't ever produce valid sig in this case? |
| 18:16 |
ascii_field |
'perhaps it fell from the moon' |
| 18:16 |
trinque |
not "this is why this is bullshit" |
| 18:17 |
jurov |
Hasimir, how can keyserver produce signatures of anything? |
| 18:17 |
jurov |
*valid* ones |
| 18:17 |
Hasimir |
jurov, it can't, but if the sig was already there, but other data got mangled, it might account for some things |
| 18:17 |
jurov |
what things? |
| 18:18 |
trinque |
if a factored subkey has a sig from the master key wtf |
| 18:18 |
Hasimir |
the lack of data indicating cipher prefs on a key |
| 18:18 |
ascii_field |
and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED |
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| 18:18 |
ascii_field |
motherfuckers |
| 18:18 |
trinque |
I'm an idiot and I understand that much |
| 18:18 |
Hasimir |
such as in the case of the key dignork and I discussed earlier |
| 18:19 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
| 18:19 |
ascii_field |
ty trinque. |
| 18:20 |
jurov |
Hasimir, so I take some key, mangle "data indicating cipher prefs" and whatnot, and viola, valid signature without original key's owner knowledge? |
| 18:20 |
Hasimir |
no idea |
| 18:20 |
ascii_field |
and we are to believe that this happens by accident, with no other bits flipped. ever. |
| 18:21 |
Hasimir |
I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy |
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| 18:21 |
ascii_field |
incidentally, i just walked the totality of sks db looking for -all- rsa keys with pub-exponents equal to 281479271743489. |
| 18:22 |
ascii_field |
they are -all- in the set from the heuristic published on mircea_popescu's www. |
| 18:22 |
jurov |
Hasimir: you're too willing not to think about it and handwave it away |
| 18:22 |
Hasimir |
the weird pattern thing? |
| 18:22 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: yes. you can write a proggy to create this type of key from any rsa pubkey you like. |
| 18:22 |
Hasimir |
jurov, not so, if that were the case I wouldn't be here discussing it |
| 18:22 |
ascii_field |
aaactually |
| 18:23 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: please realize that so far you are setting off every possible alarm in my head, 'disinfo agent' |
| 18:23 |
trinque |
incidentally I don't recall anyone here making specific claims about who is behind this |
| 18:23 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: also realize that we are talking about an experiment which -any- interested reader, at this point, could replicate. |
| 18:23 |
ascii_field |
data is public. the code, largely - also public. |
| 18:23 |
Hasimir |
trinque, except for the BND ... |
| 18:24 |
ascii_field |
BND is just a random guess of mine at present, based on the de pirate party thing |
| 18:24 |
Hasimir |
ok |
| 18:25 |
ascii_field |
but there are human fingerprints on it. take the 'bug' or 'cosmic ray' hypothesis to a home for retarded folks. nobody here is dumb enough to fall for it. |
| 18:25 |
ascii_field |
this goes for -all- the agents who read the logs. |
| 18:26 |
Hasimir |
alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks? |
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| 18:26 |
trinque |
the gain may have already been had |
| 18:26 |
trinque |
who knows |
| 18:26 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: look when it was done, and when found |
| 18:26 |
Hasimir |
in which case the target is on that list |
| 18:26 |
ascii_field |
we have a skeleton here, not fresh corpse |
| 18:26 |
Hasimir |
so 2010-11 |
| 18:26 |
Hasimir |
or so |
| 18:26 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: the target is almost certainly -not- on the list |
| 18:26 |
assbot |
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| 18:26 |
ascii_field |
it is someone who -would have written- to one or more of the folks on the list. |
| 18:27 |
Hasimir |
ah, of course ... |
| 18:27 |
Hasimir |
hrm ... |
| 18:27 |
Hasimir |
so someone who already had all those keys in their keyring ... |
| 18:28 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: the genuine keys, you mean ? |
| 18:28 |
Hasimir |
or at least all the names ... |
| 18:28 |
Hasimir |
yeah |
| 18:28 |
ascii_field |
for all we know, it is possible that on some pgp client the faux keys could replace the genuine ones if user ever 'synced' from sks |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
but this is secondary. |
| 18:32 |
ascii_field |
i very much get what the agents are trying to achieve, yes. |
| 18:32 |
ascii_field |
a soft fecal matter consensus that 'there is nothing worth looking into here, move along' |
| 18:33 |
Hasimir |
I think there's something worth looking into it until an answer is confirmed |
| 18:34 |
ascii_field |
that's more like it. |
| 18:34 |
Hasimir |
you realise that's not a change of attitude, right? |
| 18:36 |
Hasimir |
though logic and healthy skepticism requires questioning myself just as much, if not more so, than anyone else ... |
| 18:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Hasimir: You have to understand influence agents of various sorts have passed here before |
| 18:37 |
BingoBoingo |
!s ninjashogun |
| 18:37 |
assbot |
1771 results for 'ninjashogun' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ninjashogun |
| 18:37 |
ascii_field |
see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 |
| 18:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically |
| 18:38 |
mod6 |
<+ascii_field> 'Is it possible that a keyserver running the old, buggy PKS code ... << this is gotta be trolling, right?? |
| 18:38 |
trinque |
plausibility of the lie is what's sought, not confirming it |
| 18:38 |
Hasimir |
BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1 |
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| 18:38 |
Hasimir |
so yeah, I get it |
| 18:38 |
ascii_field |
mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue. |
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| 18:38 |
ascii_field |
let alone a full clue. |
| 18:39 |
trinque |
Hasimir: that would be an awesome thing to sign and deedbot- |
| 18:39 |
ascii_field |
^ |
| 18:39 |
Hasimir |
trinque, it includes him trying to lure me into discussing it and me giving him armchair legal advice |
| 18:40 |
ascii_field |
l0l |
| 18:40 |
trinque |
sounds hilarious; deedbot- it! |
| 18:40 |
Hasimir |
it is so much funnier with knowing who packt/c0dex is ... |
| 18:41 |
Hasimir |
I'll have a look at this deedbot thing then ... |
| 18:41 |
ascii_field |
Hasimir: incidentally, zimmerman is not on the list because he is an nsa asset in good standing. the 'silent circle' and multi-coloured phones idiocies are more than ample proof of this |
| 18:41 |
ascii_field |
usg -has- his genuine private key when it wants to. |
| 18:41 |
ascii_field |
-how- he turned - i haven't a clue |
| 18:42 |
ascii_field |
but to classify him as a genuine person may turn out to be dangerous for one's health (assuming that one is not asset himself) |
| 18:42 |
Hasimir |
well, I know nsa head-hunted at least one nai employee back when they owned pgp corp |
| 18:42 |
Hasimir |
that was Stephen Smalley |
| 18:42 |
Hasimir |
as far as I'm aware he's still working for NSA |
| 18:42 |
ascii_field |
'by their fruit you will know them' (TM) |
| 18:43 |
ascii_field |
if zimmerman isn't in the pay of usg - he oughta be sending them a bill. |
| 18:43 |
Hasimir |
or by their selinux mailing list in this case |
| 18:44 |
Hasimir |
speaking of ancient arcane shit ... I also have a full copy of everything that the nsa had on radium.ncsc.mil prior to september 11 |
| 18:45 |
Hasimir |
it includes the rainbow series |
| 18:45 |
Hasimir |
I should probably pop that onto an s3 instance |
| 18:45 |
trinque |
Hasimir: deedbot records the sha256 of gpg signed messages into the bitcoin blockchain |
| 18:45 |
jurov |
heh seems there will be leaks.b-a.link soon |
| 18:46 |
Hasimir |
trinque, oh my ... |
| 18:46 |
Hasimir |
trinque, and the docs are where? |
| 18:46 |
jurov |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot |
| 18:47 |
Hasimir |
merci |
| 18:47 |
Hasimir |
it has to be clearsigned? |
| 18:47 |
trinque |
yeah |
| 18:47 |
Hasimir |
or just signed and ascii armoured? |
| 18:48 |
trinque |
Hasimir: like so http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-23-23-16-59.txt |
| 18:49 |
Hasimir |
does it look for the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" header? |
| 18:50 |
trinque |
yes |
| 18:50 |
scoopbot_revived |
Lawsky Moves to Private Practice http://qntra.net/2015/05/lawsky-moves-to-private-practice/ |
| 18:50 |
trinque |
Hasimir: either that or a public key |
| 18:50 |
trinque |
you have to feed him your public key first, and it checks that against what assbot knows about |
| 18:51 |
Hasimir |
ah, that explains why it can't be done with gpg -sa (a pity, that's a great way to avoid encoding errors) |
| 18:51 |
trinque |
I synced over keys from assbot once, but am not running it via cron yet |
| 18:51 |
Hasimir |
as in charset encoding errors |
| 18:51 |
trinque |
Hasimir: deedbot- has his own key in the WoT, rate him and leave feedback and I'll get to it |
| 18:52 |
Hasimir |
all it would take would be the same as allowing it to hash any pgp message |
| 18:52 |
Hasimir |
the output looks the same, but with -sa it's not encrypted, just signed |
| 18:52 |
trinque |
encoding hasn't been a problem yet |
| 18:53 |
trinque |
anyhow use it, see what works/doesn't, rate the guy |
| 18:53 |
Hasimir |
cool, will do |
| 18:53 |
trinque |
I tend to hack on it on the weekends |
| 18:53 |
Hasimir |
heh |
| 18:53 |
Hasimir |
I've got a lot of crap ... er, code like that |
| 18:54 |
trinque |
yup, I don't tend to stop coding, just swap which project |
| 18:54 |
Hasimir |
the pyme port was a weekend effort ... about a fortnight ago |
| 18:55 |
Hasimir |
but then I'm a fan of py3 (yes, yes, I'm a heretic too) |
| 18:55 |
trinque |
speaking of which |
| 18:55 |
trinque |
;;later tell gabriel_laddel ok, I'm loading up masamune |
| 18:55 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:56 |
trinque |
fucker got me with his "3d" CLIM, whatever that means |
| 18:58 |
trinque |
;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://dpaste.com/017XXRK.txt |
| 18:59 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 19:02 |
Hasimir |
deedbot- http://www.adversary.org/ben-key.asc |
| 19:03 |
deedbot- |
Bad URL or network outage. |
| 19:03 |
Hasimir |
hmph |
| 19:03 |
trinque |
Hasimir: it has a few sites whitelisted |
| 19:03 |
trinque |
dpaste among them |
| 19:03 |
Hasimir |
ah |
| 19:03 |
trinque |
and needs the raw URL |
| 19:03 |
trinque |
.txt |
| 19:04 |
trinque |
deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1QCX2EW.txt |
| 19:05 |
deedbot- |
imported: DB4724E6FA4286C92B4E55C4321E4E2373590E5D |
| 19:05 |
trinque |
donk |
| 19:05 |
Hasimir |
beat me to it ... |
| 19:06 |
Hasimir |
nice little api on dpaste too ... |
| 19:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159350 @ 0.00027277 = 43.4659 BTC [-] {3} |
| 19:12 |
Hasimir |
oh wow, paypal just capitulated -- I'll be back later, I've got Treasurer duties to perform |
| 19:12 |
trinque |
cya |
| 19:23 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, from Melbourne eh? |
| 19:23 |
Hasimir |
cazalla, yep |
| 19:24 |
Hasimir |
ok, account drained, now I can relax a little ... |
| 19:24 |
cazalla |
to borrow from 8chan.. >>2015, still voting |
| 19:25 |
Hasimir |
I guess paypal take allegations of 14 counts of their breaching the electoral act seriously after all ... |
| 19:27 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, what do you gain by wasting time trying to change the politics down under? |
| 19:27 |
Hasimir |
I wish I could've seen their internal company panic, though |
| 19:28 |
Hasimir |
I've got a greater chance of influencing here than in the capital of the world ... I mean America |
| 19:28 |
Hasimir |
granted, not a huge chance |
| 19:28 |
Hasimir |
but still asliver of one |
| 19:29 |
cazalla |
meh i gave up voting years ago, don't even bother turning up whether it's local, state or federal election.. they can pay me for my time if they're that keen for my vote |
| 19:29 |
trinque |
last vote I cast was for Ron Paul in 2008, lol |
| 19:29 |
trinque |
...I'm done. |
| 19:31 |
cazalla |
trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one |
| |
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| 19:32 |
trinque |
compulsory voting, hilarious |
| 19:32 |
trinque |
bbl |
| 19:32 |
Hasimir |
well, technically it's compulsory getting your name ticked off, but most vote once they're there |
| 19:32 |
cazalla |
nah, it's not |
| 19:33 |
cazalla |
AEC send a please explain letter and that's the end of it |
| 19:34 |
Hasimir |
yeah, I missed a local council election once and got a similar thing |
| 19:35 |
Hasimir |
on the plus side, being more politically active than the vec makes it believable when I say I was too sick to walk to the polling station |
| 19:35 |
cazalla |
it's against my religious values to vote is already more than i should be required to tell them |
| 19:35 |
Hasimir |
that works? |
| 19:36 |
cazalla |
i've never had an issue with it or received a fine |
| 19:36 |
Hasimir |
nice |
| 19:38 |
cazalla |
and anyway, you don't need to vote in order to be politically active |
| 19:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109150 @ 0.00027652 = 30.1822 BTC [+] |
| 19:44 |
Hasimir |
also true, but I'm addicted to the game |
| 19:44 |
Hasimir |
I know, I know ... |
| 19:46 |
BingoBoingo |
http://labphoto.tumblr.com/post/119214028699/the-best-example-that-why-do-chemists-wear-lab |
| 19:50 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, acid for blood? |
| 19:55 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Looks like a mix of some sort didn't want to stay in its container |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
. |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
yaty gribble. lol. |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89787/choose-your-own-exponents-in-rsa |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently some people are following. |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the fact that someone would spend the time to type in a 12 paragraph, 500 word reply made out of pure banal WITHOUT BOTHERING TO READ THE ARTICLE |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
or to understand specifically what's being said or anything whatsoever... people must be real lonely. |
| 20:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: l0l, my comment is gone |
| 20:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109300 @ 0.00028099 = 30.7122 BTC [+] {3} |
| 20:04 |
asciilifeform |
or hm, nm |
| 20:04 |
asciilifeform |
different stackexchange |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
he quotes "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA.". the full quote is "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA. The point is that you don't know what exact implementation flaws the NSA is or may be relying on, and for this |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
reason giving as little quarter as possible is the correct policy." |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
why even. |
| 20:10 |
jurov |
mike_c this looks weird: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubsy/ |
| 20:11 |
jurov |
"top kek" |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a legit user. |
| 20:11 |
jurov |
yes, i meant the graph mostly |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142070 << it's a different sort of thing to do, hence the art discussion in the original. |
| 20:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 18:12:46; ascii_field: trinque: i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this- |
| 20:13 |
mike_c |
I'll put on the list: "make 1-1 trust graph look better" :) |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c incidentally it could just be a xckd-ish cartoon/joke |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
if you have the energy. |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142075 << haha, isn't THAT the age old question. |
| 20:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 18:16:30; jurov: can one go to mars by carefully cultivating their mind? |
| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
and by the way, have any of the young eager minds here a la pete_d actually read dali's LIFE ? orwell reminds us it is certainly on the list. |
| 20:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Also apparently medchem has its own Unix problem http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/05/21/crappy_antibodies_available_now_and_for_the_foreseeable_future.php |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it does. it would. it sucks more than bad unix. |
| 20:19 |
BingoBoingo |
The problem of how many of the marketed moving parts work as advertised and only as advertised. |
| 20:20 |
BingoBoingo |
No need to imagine if there were a dozen different versions of 'cat' because that's our situation |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
problem is deeper than that, and scales exponentially. |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
if you wish to make sure your salt is salt, spectrometric assay is cheap and purity is a matter of weighing. |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
if you wish to verify an -usually unstable- 28k molecule compound, spectrometric assay is impractical and purity can in principle not even be established. |
| 20:23 |
Hasimir |
wow, I never thought I'd discover paypal's kryptonite so quickly ... |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
you had ? |
| 20:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Indeed. All of a sudden you've got to put the stuff in a controlled solution and break out the X-Rays and magnification |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo and by the time you're done... you know it WOULD HAVE BEEN USEFUL. but you used it up. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
like the little girl that got sent to buy matches and make sure threy burn! so she came home with no matches |
| 20:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
because she had burned them. |
| 20:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133250 @ 0.00027205 = 36.2507 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:31 |
jurov |
sooo... http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html finally looks like it's getting somewhere |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142104 << i'm aware, and i think it's amusing, just how varied this cult is, or in other words http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138869 |
| 20:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 18:38:05; ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. |
| 20:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-05-2015 10:15:46; justJanne: The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions. |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov sweet. but could the repeated string Author be replaced with the nick ? |
| 20:32 |
jurov |
yes, it's planned |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
coolness |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do. |
| 20:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production? |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
not terribru concerning, this disagreement. |
| 20:36 |
jurov |
mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone: http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142132 << they "could have" so they "might as well have had!!1". the all-consuming four points of the book are at work in the belly of hte beast itself, disgesting its own limbs. |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 19:03:42; trinque: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
because... if you can you must. |
| 20:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.0002841 = 33.2255 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform incidentally, that reddit suggests to me we shall soon have reddit/hn/twitter/facebook/everything accounts, each and every last one of us. and we won't even have to man them :D |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
!s enigmail |
| 20:39 |
assbot |
9 results for 'enigmail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=enigmail |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
mmmmkay. |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: wai wat |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
ah that. |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
AsciilifeformOfficial sez : plox use enigmail kthx bai |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
wai where |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
in the future. |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
surely. |
| 20:42 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 5 |
| 20:42 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/168S2P8.txt ) |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
signed with twiddled key no less. |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
lol srsly. |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
by cosmic ray (TM) |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
"nsa's pgp keyservers not responsible for fraud - there is a history of cosmic rays having done this before" |
| 20:43 |
jurov |
yes, there are atempts to use an AI to continue online activity of the deceased |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
!s dead souls |
| 20:43 |
assbot |
7 results for 'dead souls' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dead+souls |
| 20:43 |
jurov |
when done, will be surely extended to living |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i think the point here is more along the lines of AD not AI |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
no further research needed. |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
btw, all keys on sks having pub-e of 281479271743489 are 'magical.' |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
tested today. |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform that's the cosmic ray magic number. |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
surely. |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
you see chitlin, cosmic rays don't often interfere with digital computers. but when they do, they always stamp in 281479271743489. |
| 20:47 |
BingoBoingo |
It's God's righteous number |
| 20:48 |
BingoBoingo |
You jsut hafta bereave |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
cosmic rays come from Social Justice not from god you heathen |
| 20:49 |
asciilifeform |
from HumanRights (TM) |
| 20:49 |
asciilifeform |
phun phakt: ukrs officially rescinded HumanRights (TM) (R) in ua! just the other day |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
orly ? |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
they can do that ? |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
poor orcs |
| 20:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Ur prolly right, Any benevolent cosmic ray god would not allow this http://i.imgur.com/i0sbSYb.jpg |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://rt.com/news/205919-ukraine-bockade-rebel-areas << jurov can enjoy the rt |
| 20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
bockade ? did they send pedos at the protestors ? |
| 20:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/266980.html |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
^ from horse's mouth |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
lol! |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
eagerly awaiting the kerrys of this world going "the atrocities in ukraine are due to russia!!1 the ukr govt clearly said they would break geneva convention unless russia buys them a popsicle and russia didn't!!11" |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
the whole idiot 'international komyoonity' edifice can digest any contradiction, likely |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
but the lulz! |
| 20:53 |
jurov |
;;merkel already did |
| 20:53 |
gribble |
Error: "merkel" is not a valid command. |
| 20:54 |
jurov |
;;google 281479271743489 |
| 20:54 |
gribble |
Dealing with ext3 and sparse_super - Lists - Gnu: <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-parted/2005-05/msg00070.html> |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
this comes a day after the ua parliament voted to stop paying debt |
| 20:54 |
jurov |
that numer appears in many places |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
which is somehow not a default, because... ??? |
| 20:55 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: 0x1000100010001 |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142175 << for them sacking is pointless, they don't have a qual programme so they'd just get the same muppets in a diff hat and have to remake the political arrangements. cost, no benefit. |
| 20:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 20:40:55; ascii_field: betcha - no one. |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i don't often cosmic ray, but when i cosmic ray i always every fourth bit. |
| 20:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Nordic System http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11347454/Mother-and-daughter-weigh-a-total-of-43-stone-and-get-34k-a-year-handouts-but-refuse-to-diet.html |
| 20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform incidentally, we have now experimentally found the wavelength of cosmic rays. |
| 20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
they're four bits long. |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
turns out! |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
and are strongly attracted to start of pub-exponent. |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
we now know how to deflect cosmic rays from spacecraft! |
| 20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
see, the way this works is, if the ray is going across the wire, then nothing happens. but if the ray goes through the wire, as it can happen rarely (random rotational positioning), then it hits every 4th bit. |
| 20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
fiat physics! |
| 20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
o yeah, let's patent this! |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
but only for 49 bits. |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
therewego. |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
A Method To Insulate Aircraft From Cosmic Rays Digitally. "just carry a large bunch of e's in a pile outside hte ship" |
| 20:59 |
* |
BingoBoingo should have done law school, or at least more Science classes so could at least become "patent agent" |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
you can still become nerve agent :D |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it is not a default BECAUSE THEY VOTES. |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
jeez you don't know anything. |
| 21:00 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 21:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Imma be a something |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform "Because the PGP Global Directory allows users to manage lost keys, it cannot use cryptographic mechanisms for verification. Instead, like mailing list servers and other public Internet services, the PGP Global Directory verifies a key by requiring a response to a verification email sent to each email address specified on the key. It also requires periodic re-confirmation for each advertised email address |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
by soliciting a response to a re-verification email." |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
am i slow or something ? wut ? |
| 21:02 |
asciilifeform |
a few of the faux keys are labeled 'pgp corp. global directory' |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
o nm |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
reading on the log... |
| 21:02 |
* |
BingoBoingo thinks asciilifeform would make excellent motivational speaker |
| 21:02 |
asciilifeform |
which is how i found the lolzatron |
| 21:03 |
jurov |
http://blog.easydns.org/2015/05/20/unfortunately-we-have-renewed-our-icann-accreditation/ << related, compulsory domain email re-verification |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142195 << the list of people who died of starvation ? |
| 21:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 21:22:14; *: ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
the other one. |
| 21:05 |
jurov |
is the former public? |
| 21:05 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: aha. posted on mircea_popescu's www |
| 21:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00028515 = 18.4349 BTC [+] |
| 21:05 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
Endnotes [1] It's since been pointed out to me that renewals don't trigger WAPs. Renewals were in the original specification but the Registrars Stakeholder Group managed to get it taken out. |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
heh it explains why im not getting flooded. |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i guess we'll be moving to our own internet sooner than anyone anticipated. |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
"One of the commenters on your other linked post (from when the policy was announced last year) mentioned having to create a Gmail account just to resolve the problem. Sure, that's a hardship after the fact, but there's little harm in proactively creating a Gmail account solely for the purpose of WHOIS contact." |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
oh fuck you in the head already |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus christ these people. |
| 21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"you can not have an independent domain without a facebook account! internet OF THINGS, bitch!" |
| 21:08 |
asciilifeform |
why spam drop has to be in 'gmail' ? (not that this isn't one of the few remaining uses of it) |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
or is it the tls idiocy |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
where 'plebe' domains can't actually receive mail from 'brahmin' domains |
| 21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them... |
| 21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
(you recall, she used her own set-up in her own office, the nsa couldn't get her emails aha) |
| 21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
so now a contrived icann policy that, no doubt atr some point in the retarded comissions, had "it'll prevent private webservers" as a + |
| 21:11 |
asciilifeform |
they were pissed after having to spend fiddybux bribing server monkey, aha |
| 21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
| 21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
anywa, whaty about this spaf dude ? |
| 21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just a link under a page of cv-derp |
| 21:11 |
asciilifeform |
claims to be 'professor of xyz', blog on spambler appeared from nowhere, sole post is reprint of the idiot crud |
| 21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
all i see is a link to it. |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
aha link |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
to the word salad version |
| 21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir you should probably look into gossipd while at it, to understand why we think very little indeed of all these "solutions" or w/e they are, colored sugar beads. |
| 21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform weird. |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 21:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://spaf.cerias.purdue.edu/usgov/index.html << also l0l |
| 21:15 |
* |
asciilifeform not convinced that the earlier link has anything to do with the fella featured in above |
| 21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
"They found 30 keys with a subkey having one of the |
| 21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
first 1000 primes as a factor." <<< aha. somebody's not really done their reading |
| 21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
seeing how 10 digit factors and more keys are actually on display in published fucking articles. |
| 21:15 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them... << She used exchange, prolly pissed they had to risk a zero day |
| 21:15 |
BingoBoingo |
!up gavmatic |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: all the 10-digiters i found so far were, iirc, composite |
| 21:16 |
gavmatic |
thanks |
| 21:16 |
asciilifeform |
so the small-primes thing isn't nonsense off the bat |
| 21:16 |
BingoBoingo |
gavmatic: I saw you've done some bitcoin news sort of posts on your blog |
| 21:16 |
asciilifeform |
but the 'yeah we knew all this' is a typical crock'o'shit, yes |
| 21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform how composite ? i clearly recall there being primes longer |
| 21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
brb |
| 21:16 |
gavmatic |
yes i've submitted some stuff |
| 21:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i only got a chance to test the first 9 or so |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: will need to automate this, yes |
| 21:17 |
gavmatic |
it's more a hobby at the moment, writing i think is over valued in our culture :) |
| 21:17 |
gavmatic |
err under valued |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
73014444049 = 17 * 641 * 6700417 |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
first one i looked at |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: none of it surprises, random n will normally have many small primefactors |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
now, 7 digit thing is prime. eminently not in the first 1k |
| 21:18 |
BingoBoingo |
gavmatic: Seriously consider submitting some pieces to qntra |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
actuallky not even in the first 1mn, obviously. |
| 21:18 |
BingoBoingo |
!gettrust gavmatic |
| 21:18 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user gavmatic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=gavmatic | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gavmatic/ |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: aha, but folks normally speak of the smallest prime factor |
| 21:18 |
gavmatic |
thank you for the suggestion |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
(why? ask'em) |
| 21:19 |
BingoBoingo |
gavmatic: It's a way for you to write and accumulate shares which may have value eventually. Also qntra can always use moar text |
| 21:19 |
gavmatic |
I understand, thank you very much for the offer, I will keep this in mind. |
| 21:19 |
BingoBoingo |
!rate gavmatic 1 prospect in textfarm system |
| 21:19 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f1bda7d6d3a631e8 |
| 21:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the implication i read in the quoted line was along the lines of Apocalyptic s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-05-2015#1140786 |
| 21:20 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-05-2015 20:54:58; Apocalyptic: I multiply then the modulus N by 3 (or any other small prime, the value doesn't matter) |
| 21:20 |
mircea_popescu |
but perhaps i misread. |
| 21:20 |
BingoBoingo |
!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.gavmatic.1:0bae20ad25ba58bc558f2be25839dd89ce2b9d14a02fc037319734fe92bbf8e9 |
| 21:20 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 1 for gavmatic with note: prospect in textfarm system |
| 21:20 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: pls to mpex queue. and there's a lulzy bug, CANCEL|1 responds the order is mangled despite i do have this order |
| 21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142235 << so wait, we have actual experimental confirmation for the fabled http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#selection-383.0-383.773 ?! |
| 21:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 21:54:53; ascii_field: LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him. For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-. |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
can they actually SAY WHO ? |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov on it. |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic started out by suggesting - correctly - that having, e.g., 3 - as factor - was not proof of weakness by itself, because one could take mircea_popescu's modulus, multiply by 3 |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes. and the implication i read was "a small prime AND ONLY THAT SMALL PRIME" |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
but this was, presumably, before he finished reading and learned -why- 3 was a factor |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise i have nfi why what the guy said is worth saying |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
iirc he 'shot first before asking questions' |
| 21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
(the guy = on the email list linked above we're discussing) |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
ah -that- one |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
i haven't a clue on whom the trap sprung |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
all the private meangurlz whispering, srsly, l0l |
| 21:24 |
* |
BingoBoingo has been meaning to watch that film |
| 21:24 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: mega-recommended |
| 21:27 |
* |
BingoBoingo may or may not be putting it on a certain que |
| 21:28 |
* |
BingoBoingo has watched 'Milliona Dollar Baby' too many times this month |
| 21:29 |
* |
BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he thinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
where the shit gets to turn into wine rather than vice-versa (what it does on -our- planet) |
| 21:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Perhaps he aspires to master C machine? |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
not seeing this intention in his works thus far |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
but i'll let the man himself explain |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
when he feels like it |
| 21:32 |
BingoBoingo |
To be fair odd idea people find their way here and he wants a Lispy Unix. You tried to break Opterons into Lisp-Machiners. |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: but he is even more broadly mistaken in imagining that market will pay enough for -any- operating system to support a moiety, much less a grown man |
| 21:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Sometimes one needs to ride the rail before finding a train |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i tried many things |
| 21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i didn't get the impression his expectation is being directly paid. |
| 21:34 |
BingoBoingo |
My impression is he want's those support contracts Redhat failed and was cannabilized upon |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
how he planned to turn it into food&rent, i have no clue, but he implied knowing of a way. |
| 21:35 |
* |
BingoBoingo still works on polishing his portfolio yards polishing his mexican credentials |
| 21:35 |
mod6 |
<+jurov> mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone: http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated << this is 404 for me. |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
bluesky ?! |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 baby what happened there ? |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
you forgot to click the confirm link in your icann email ? :D |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
forget for two weeks and it's the dulap ! |
| 21:38 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeopleenvy/comments/33bqni/i_envy_beach_hams/cqndpya |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142238 << dude check out the retarded children of today. "hi would you talk to me privately seeing how i'm too autistic to engage in the proper channels, of which i have a bevy at my disposal from www to irc ?" "no. and get your head out of your ass." "oh you know what ? I AM GOING TO PUBLISH YOUR EMAIL NAO BECAUSE MY HEAD WORKS FINE INSIDE MY ASS" |
| 21:39 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 21:56:03; Hasimir: but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that) |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
what exactly is happening in the us ? is it a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland where children are brought up mostly by wolves and weevils ? |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
weevils. |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
have you people no families, no fathers, do you not spend any time with your parents, is there no school, are there no books, nothing ? |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
last wolf at his luger long ago |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
*ate |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
sometimes it looks like a separate planet. |
| 21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
in what world is this sort of behaviour tolerated even of seven year olds, in their first year of schooling ? |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: there is a loose network of people who had fathers, went to school, read the occasional book even. for the bulk of the rest of the schmucks - above applies, yes |
| 21:40 |
decimation |
lul > " one count of "operating as an airman without an airman's certificate"" < so if he did not practice and prepare for his flight, and rampantly disregarded safety, would he not have 'operated as an airman' |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: and i bet that thing is under weight limit |
| 21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. mmmyeah. |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
below which - no license needed |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
official usg law, no less |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
he will have to sit down in the jail for trespassing |
| 21:41 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> mod6 baby what happened there ? << not sure. anyway, even if I add in ".com" or w/e to that link jurov posted, still nada. |
| 21:41 |
mod6 |
not sure what jurov was referring to. |
| 21:43 |
decimation |
"premeditated disregard for usg's rules" |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
the hilarious part is the signed confession, apparently, -before- the flight |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
(was not believed) |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
ianal, but in usa, a machine below ~100kg is not considered an 'aircraft' and is not required to have items such as radio, lights, or a licensed flyer |
| 21:46 |
Hasimir |
I was pinged? |
| 21:46 |
Hasimir |
oh, quoted, nvm |
| 21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html |
| 21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir well since you're here... |
| 21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142245 << you got to be kidding right / |
| 21:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:00:35; Hasimir: didn't spare all the boring folks |
| 21:48 |
Hasimir |
yo |
| 21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
what sort of argument is this supposed to be even, "it didn't spare all the boring folks". |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
i came here for an argument! this is just contradiction, an automated gainsaying of everything the op says! |
| 21:49 |
BingoBoingo |
So in case of Illinois vs. Bingo... Evidentiary hearing which was finally scheduled... continued again because St Clair County's State's Attourney has more asses than heads |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
lol how long has that thing been going nao ? |
| 21:49 |
Hasimir |
well, I'm not here for argument, I'm here to try and find out what the cause is |
| 21:50 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Since May 2013 |
| 21:50 |
Hasimir |
even if it is not directed by a malevolent actor |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
aite. |
| 21:50 |
Hasimir |
obviously if it is it'll be more interesting, but that's not enough to make it so ... |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo you know there is redress for it taking too long, but i dun think iut's taken too long enough yet. |
| 21:50 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: And I object to calling the case It's proper title because as and Illinois people I reject consensus on the people of Illinois vs. me title |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir i dun see how it'd make it more interesting, but ok. |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
i, for instance, will find it more interesting if we learn that it was caused by displeasure of the gods |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
like earthquakes! |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
(modern gods fire cosmic rays at sinners. earthquake - passe) |
| 21:51 |
Hasimir |
it'd be more interesting because then you get to pursue them to find out what they're up to, like in any good detective story |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142263 << which workload he conveniently DOES NOT present. |
| 21:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:04:45; Hasimir: proving or disproving it would require merging multiple keys across a broad range of openpgp implementations and operating systems |
| 21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
do you understand what dismissal with prejudice is ? |
| 21:52 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: That redress is if they wait too long to file in the first place. But if hearing that takes 2 years to schedule has to be blown off because prosecutor whales aren't ready... Maybe I have a disposition by $5000/BTC |
| 21:52 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ahhh! ok. was soooo confused. was wondering if he bought a new domain ;) |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142266 << he is not attacking them "for doing so". he, and i, and ~the rest of the world~ is pointing and laughing at them for their hallucinogenic subjective positioning where they seem to regard themselves as some sort of authority to whjich things are proven. |
| 21:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:06:44; Hasimir: no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
b-a is the sitting authority, not some random twerps on the mailing list of some random usg-mandated security theatre "product" |
| 21:53 |
Hasimir |
mircea_popescu, I'm happy to test on the systems I've got here or have access to, but that's not a broad range |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
and THEY are the ones who are NOT at liberty to make claims other than humbly and with a lot of proof. |
| 21:53 |
Hasimir |
for example, there's no windows boxes here |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
because THEY are the inferiors in this social encounter. |
| 21:54 |
BingoBoingo |
http://imgur.com/a/ShoCV |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
none of this having anything whatsoever to do with the actual math involved. |
| 21:55 |
mod6 |
jurov: ahh, ok, so let's talk about the best way to do this when we get a chance. |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
funny how the -only-, afaik, place where the maths have come up... is here. |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
(and trilema) |
| 21:55 |
Hasimir |
so you want peer review, fine, who do you consider your peers? |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!gettrust Hasimir |
| 21:55 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasimir: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Hasimir | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Hasimir/ |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
^ in there. |
| 21:55 |
Hasimir |
hrm ... |
| 21:56 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I enthralled by assertions that "you can't get whole key package from factoring subkey" and yet... niggers.txt |
| 21:56 |
asciilifeform |
waiwat |
| 21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir see http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ and http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ and so on. |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: It's what some derps quoted seems to suggest. Factoring dat subkey doesn't really give priv key |
| 21:59 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: depends which subkey, of who |
| 21:59 |
asciilifeform |
some of these folks have only one subkey; others - two; etc |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
but on its face, the notion that someone would even be vaguely relevant for crypto and NOT be in the wot at all is so ridiculous as to defy the mind. |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Suggestion: For every broken moduli Phuctor signs a message "lol, I suck cocks" from factored keys |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo the thing is, some keys consist entirely of two moduli, both of which were factored. |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Which is the value of Phuctor signing a sucks cocks message |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
and the problem with that suggestion is that well, much more interesting to spend computational resources to enlarge the breach atm, than to go in depth. |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
time enough to do that once the whole keyset's been combed |
| 21:59 |
Hasimir |
depends on which wot really, I can think of one or two that would know the math well enough, but are not involved in bitcoin at all (the pgp wot, however, is another matter) |
| 21:59 |
Hasimir |
oh, not counting people on any of the gpg mailing lists |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
of course, any of these twerps peanut-gallery-ing around COULD use their time to do any of the useful things obviously allowed by phuctor having, generously and very uncharacteristically for THEIR FIELD published a lot of raw results |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
but they're not doing that, because idiots. |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir if it can't interoperate with assbot's it doesn't matter. |
| 22:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Well with factors message signing shouldn't be too much CPU mathing, but I guess if at this rate ~98 keys sign "lol I suck cocks" at the end of sks dump processing makes better Trilema post |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
let those people fix their broken implementation. |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: nah it appears to be because 'mircea_popescu is hitler and asciilifeform is mengele' |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform okay.jpg |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
for all the difference it's gonna make. |
| 22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir what's LR incidentally ? |
| 22:08 |
Hasimir |
LR? |
| 22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"My go-to guy for LR-to-BTC conversions at non-exorbitant rates!" |
| 22:08 |
Hasimir |
oh |
| 22:09 |
Hasimir |
Liberty Reserve |
| 22:09 |
Hasimir |
now dead |
| 22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
oh oh |
| 22:09 |
Hasimir |
yeah, that didn't last ... |
| 22:10 |
Hasimir |
apparently non-exorbitant was anything between 5 and 10% over spot |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 22:11 |
Hasimir |
I'd found some site that let me turn the lrusd into mtgox coupon code things, so I just churned through it |
| 22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
yah i think lots of people doing that 2012ish |
| 22:11 |
Hasimir |
sounds about right |
| 22:12 |
Hasimir |
I can't complain, my initial stake came from a one night coding effort and then I traded on that and built it a little bit |
| 22:13 |
Hasimir |
given my laptop was bought with btc on -otc, I'm *way* ahead :) |
| 22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
works. |
| 22:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121042 @ 0.00026846 = 32.4949 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172258 @ 0.00026577 = 45.781 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142287 << logically, if they're german it wouldnb't be the german FOREIGN intelligence ag would it now. |
| 22:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:09:57; ascii_field: suggests to me - BND. |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
but the density of german ppls on that list is, as janna observed, significant enough to raise an eyebrow. |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it's the one sucking nsa cok |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
as opposed to what, bfv or w/e ? |
| 22:21 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose the cock is long enough to shishkebob them all |
| 22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, free money. |
| 22:23 |
mod6 |
danielpbarron: might be a good time to quick retest your key before the next batch |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
aha. presently it's spinning wheels burning through the already tested material resubmitted (script lost place when box was powercycled by unknown hands) |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
this might take most of night |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
if you submit key now, it'll go in head of queue. |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
as it should. cool. |
| 22:25 |
asciilifeform |
i will point out, for the record, that i do not expect a proper key to break. |
| 22:25 |
asciilifeform |
but one of you fellas might be the lucky one. |
| 22:25 |
mod6 |
i threw mine in there again, it's 2nd in line or something "(queued, 2 moduli remaining...)" |
| 22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142297 << o hey. care to enter a summary of that drama into the record ? i've always been vaguely curious but too lazy to actually put it on the intel list. |
| 22:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:13:28; Hasimir: oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia |
| 22:25 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: cruncher is presently off |
| 22:26 |
mod6 |
is see what you're saying, i did it about ~5 mins ago. no worries. |
| 22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
Vexual patel very common name in india so prolly not. |
| 22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Vexual |
| 22:26 |
Hasimir |
you mean the ppi thing? |
| 22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
yes |
| 22:27 |
Hasimir |
pretty sure it got published on piratetimes.net already |
| 22:27 |
Hasimir |
there's a few links, I'll dig them out |
| 22:28 |
mod6 |
this new vaporizer tank i got is blowing my mind. |
| 22:28 |
mod6 |
just thought i'd share that :] |
| 22:28 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: how's this |
| 22:28 |
asciilifeform |
(what is unusual about it) |
| 22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
!rate Hasimir 1 Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia |
| 22:28 |
assbot |
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| 22:29 |
mod6 |
it's so much better than old one. i'll find a link... |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:b81063ad8ebbe75386e6515c03fc2fa43965115006ee19ce8462d99372379307 |
| 22:29 |
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| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform he put his mind in the vaporizer :D |
| 22:29 |
asciilifeform |
that'd do it. |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
Click here ( 153701009 digits). yum. |
| 22:31 |
mod6 |
it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer |
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| 22:31 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: hahah |
| 22:31 |
BingoBoingo |
mod6: What are you vaporizing? |
| 22:31 |
Hasimir |
oh, you know Rodney? |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: beautiful lathe work |
| 22:31 |
trinque |
mod6: damn that thing looks nice |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir apparently you do, seeing how he's the treasurer ? |
| 22:32 |
mod6 |
BingoBoingo: 15mg nic |
| 22:32 |
Hasimir |
he was treasurer |
| 22:32 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 22:32 |
Hasimir |
now he's backpacking through europe |
| 22:32 |
Hasimir |
last I heard, somewhere near russia |
| 22:32 |
mod6 |
the airflow on this thing is beatutiful |
| 22:33 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: what does it plug into? i see no power source |
| 22:33 |
mircea_popescu |
when did this happen then ? |
| 22:33 |
Hasimir |
well, I became treasurer in 2013, when he decided not to run again |
| 22:33 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: that's just the tank, there is a 30W battery that it screws into from the bottom. |
| 22:34 |
mod6 |
mine is like: eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/eleaf-istick.html -- the one with the digital display i had with me in b-a. |
| 22:34 |
Hasimir |
everyone else seemed afraid of the job, but it's not hard |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir intel says 2013, Ben McGinnes. |
| 22:34 |
Hasimir |
that's me |
| 22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
learn a new thing erryday |
| 22:35 |
mod6 |
didn't i see Ben McGinnes just post something to the thread about MP & the keys on the gnupg list or w/e? |
| 22:35 |
Hasimir |
just like it says on my gpg key ;) |
| 22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!rate Hasimir 1 Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia |
| 22:35 |
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| 22:35 |
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| 22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:bf7f710965a166083dd04a45ca06e05d82edae78c00b64c6adc73075db7ee508 |
| 22:36 |
assbot |
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| 22:36 |
Hasimir |
mod6, yep the silly question about the keyserver |
| 22:36 |
Hasimir |
mangling thingy |
| 22:36 |
mod6 |
that was you?! |
| 22:36 |
Hasimir |
heheh |
| 22:36 |
Hasimir |
and a certain someone didn't twig ... |
| 22:36 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: http://www.eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/ipipe-ii-kit.html << lulzy |
| 22:38 |
Hasimir |
mircea_popescu, my other hats include co-founding cryptoparty, also in 2012, and writing the bulk of the ppau submission to the national security inquiry |
| 22:38 |
mircea_popescu |
which got ignored. |
| 22:38 |
Hasimir |
well of course it got ignored, we were in favour of a logical response |
| 22:38 |
Hasimir |
and they cried, "Because Terrorism!" |
| 22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, if you're looking for work to do, there's http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ which has a 25+btc pouch attached and most of the work done by mats an nubbins already, so cap it off and the lot of ya can then be paid |
| 22:40 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: hahhah i never knew! |
| 22:40 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, did you run that with asherwolf? |
| 22:40 |
Vexual |
Hasimir, any thought on the suggested shipping reforms? |
| 22:40 |
Hasimir |
cazalla, yep |
| 22:40 |
Vexual |
right answer |
| 22:40 |
mod6 |
i used to smoke a pipe a long time ago.. not sure if I could get used to e-pipe. pipe tobacco has a nice smell, etc. |
| 22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla i hope you're all weirded out and inception-ed to fuck seeing how all your friends keep showing up in here. |
| 22:40 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, can't say i'm a fan.. and look it's Vexual! lol |
| 22:40 |
Hasimir |
cazalla, I do tend to describe that thing as my crypto problem child ... but, probably worth it |
| 22:41 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, it or her? |
| 22:43 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, what friends? i know Vexual from here! |
| 22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
| 22:43 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 22:44 |
cazalla |
and given Hasimir is from Melbourne, odds are he's a lefty and i'm hitler to those sorts down here |
| 22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142321 << not exactly impossible, tho such bugs are so often weaponized it's not worth making the distinction |
| 22:44 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:18:20; ascii_field: and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED |
| 22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ? |
| 22:45 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the original suggestion, as i read it, was bug in -sks- |
| 22:45 |
asciilifeform |
creating, among other things, the valid sig |
| 22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah, that's not happening. |
| 22:45 |
asciilifeform |
which is preposterous. |
| 22:45 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
now a bug in [some] gpg... who the fuck knows. |
| 22:46 |
asciilifeform |
2 bugs |
| 22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
3 secret bugs |
| 22:46 |
asciilifeform |
one to crap'em out, another - to swallow |
| 22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
and a fanatical devotion to the pope. |
| 22:46 |
Hasimir |
cazalla, it, not her and I'm more libertarian, but not the crazy american kind |
| 22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142330 << the difference is subtle, but it is present. |
| 22:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:21:33; Hasimir: I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy |
| 22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir how's the crazy american kind ? |
| 22:48 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, seen enough of it to know the place serves as a magnet for sjw types |
| 22:48 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: probably me |
| 22:48 |
trinque |
lol |
| 22:48 |
asciilifeform |
Hasimir: we have exacting standards for the criticism, is mostly it. you'd find the same treatment in, e.g., physics community circa 1890. |
| 22:48 |
Hasimir |
guns above all else, absolutely zero taxes, involvement in society, even if social security is what stops revolutions and blood in the streets, etc. |
| 22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ic. |
| 22:49 |
trinque |
Hasimir: how bout yes to 1, voluntary 2, fuck 3 |
| 22:49 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, not a fan of packing heat? |
| 22:49 |
Hasimir |
viewing foreign aid as a handout (instead of the bribery it is) |
| 22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir the difference between handout and bribery appears as you switch context. |
| 22:49 |
Vexual |
ill bet he can make a hot espresso |
| 22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
they are the same text. |
| 22:50 |
Hasimir |
cazalla, I probably would if I could, but it seems to almost be a religion for some and I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place |
| 22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
haha that's a point. |
| 22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
except he doesn't wanna go to melbourne |
| 22:51 |
Hasimir |
it is a little cold, but the coffee is good |
| 22:52 |
Vexual |
2 days on the train to melb, i don't sleep untill i get home |
| 22:52 |
trinque |
easy to grant that *any* political group in the states is packed with morons |
| 22:52 |
trinque |
the benefits of being armed stand on their own |
| 22:52 |
Hasimir |
Vexual, sleep is for the weak, during the week |
| 22:52 |
Vexual |
lol |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque a lot more dubious than all that. |
| 22:52 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: how so |
| 22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
being armed is like carrying a large 1980s laptop everywhere that can't be turned on |
| 22:53 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: what would better protect my property or own life? |
| 22:53 |
Hasimir |
mind you, I live in a place where it's illegal to carry something as relatively tame as pepper spray |
| 22:53 |
Hasimir |
as I well know ... |
| 22:53 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: though you and I have vastly different contexts within which to consider those problems |
| 22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, just because there isn't a better solution of the same strength doesn't mean it's terribru good. |
| 22:53 |
trinque |
haha |
| 22:53 |
trinque |
I can grant that |
| 22:53 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, not much point calling the cops or ambos if a couple Refugee australis of the somalian kind rock up to your place, i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em |
| 22:53 |
trinque |
I'm surrounded by orcs |
| 22:53 |
trinque |
meth-fueled even |
| 22:54 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ? << Not like I don't indict whole cities for eventual Bingo Justice |
| 22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque mind, i have lived like that, and for extended periods. contrary to what the outsiders think, nobody inside is really all that keen about having to drag the damned things around everywhere. |
| 22:54 |
trinque |
ah, yeah I don't carry |
| 22:54 |
trinque |
just keep some at home |
| 22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
and everyone that does eventually settles for equipment much exactly opposite of what the arms fans favour. |
| 22:55 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, what's the pirate party position on weaponry btw? |
| 22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, light. |
| 22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
and no TaCtIcAl ScOpEz |
| 22:55 |
trinque |
lol, certainly not |
| 22:55 |
trinque |
a humble handgun and a rifle for sport |
| 22:55 |
Hasimir |
cazalla, we don't have a formal position on firearms, but we generally favour individual freedom |
| 22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
so the "nuts with guns" angle does have some merit to it fo sho. |
| 22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
actually... |
| 22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!s crazy shit stick |
| 22:56 |
assbot |
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| 22:56 |
Hasimir |
have a look at the bill of rights policy and draw your own conclusions ... |
| 22:56 |
Hasimir |
I suspect that if it came to a party vote I'd be in the minority and voting in favour |
| 22:56 |
Hasimir |
but we have more important policies to complete first |
| 22:57 |
cazalla |
yeah, it's a shame Australians are so fearful of guns |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
ah, the dirty work of politics. which to do first. |
| 22:57 |
Hasimir |
blame that fuckwit in tasmania |
| 22:57 |
Hasimir |
martin bryant |
| 22:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
it's like a soviet tank on a pedestal in cemetary |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
might as well weld little flowers to it |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform /me knows but what shall i say of it anymore, it's an opaque topic on the basis of erryday experience. |
| 22:58 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway << Fading fast, apparently even I with paper work could carry "crazy shit stick" |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
u.s. small arms enthusiasts have separate category in their literature called 'carry' |
| 22:59 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: ianal, but in u.s. locales rich in orcs, 'carry' is normally forbidden |
| 22:59 |
Vexual |
when i read carry i imagine a kei truck |
| 22:59 |
BingoBoingo |
<trinque> a humble handgun and a rifle for sport << FLip that Rifle for carry and pistol for sport |
| 22:59 |
cazalla |
Hasimir, not convinced it was him or that he at least acted alone.. what sort of guy autistic retard like him could kill 35 people with such precision |
| 23:00 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: even in 'carry states', the list of public locations where such is forbidden, is quite long. |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla> i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em << why ? you're supposed to shoot out the knees/shoulders, and why wouldn't you ? |
| 23:00 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Really only holds when locales in question are california and "New York" |
| 23:00 |
Hasimir |
remember that those ppl weren't used to a world where guns were common enough to worry about |
| 23:00 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, how would i know what to put what where when we can't have weapons here to begin with :\ |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and now we come full circle to the problem |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, tumours. |
| 23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
not only on the gun. on the world too. |
| 23:01 |
Hasimir |
and I imagine it's much like the more recent massacre in Norway |
| 23:01 |
Vexual |
guns were very much more common here before howards decree |
| 23:01 |
Hasimir |
with that other retard ... what was his name? |
| 23:01 |
cazalla |
batman? |
| 23:01 |
Hasimir |
the one who shot all those kids |
| 23:01 |
cazalla |
anakin? |
| 23:01 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome |
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| 23:01 |
Hasimir |
heheh |
| 23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142347 << it's by no means certain the keys being publicly visible is intentional. |
| 23:02 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:26:00; Hasimir: alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks? |
| 23:03 |
Hasimir |
fair point |
| 23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
that's one theory (published as such in an article iirc). another theory hanbot came up with earlier in log, and i've been thinking about. |
| 23:03 |
BingoBoingo |
So the Celosia already challenging the yellow heirloom rose for fastest boner in the front garden. |
| 23:03 |
Hasimir |
Breivik, Anders Breivik, that fuckwit |
| 23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed, for all we know these keys were used in some sort of process, and a few accidentally leaked. |
| 23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
we don't know enough atm to call on this |
| 23:04 |
Hasimir |
that we definitely agree on ... |
| 23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, it's not even terribly clear HOW to correctly classify these keys. |
| 23:04 |
BingoBoingo |
<Hasimir> that we definitely agree on ... << Is punative sodomy |
| 23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
there seem to be 2-3 different categories but they can be reconstructed in multiple approaches with different elements. |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why running the whole shebang is important - we need more members to attempt a classification |
| 23:05 |
Hasimir |
has anyone tried deliberately making/breaking a key like this? |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
which imo is the only sane way to proceed here. |
| 23:05 |
Hasimir |
them |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir Apocalyptic was doing some work on this. |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
more work always welcome. |
| 23:05 |
Hasimir |
cool |
| 23:06 |
Vexual |
yep, the cops went and took every registered repeater |
| 23:06 |
Hasimir |
if they're encryption subkey bits then maybe it's from backfired attempts to segregate the cert key from the subkeys ... |
| 23:07 |
Hasimir |
maybe |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
so far the only seriously excluded hypothesis is "bit rot". |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
anything else, pretty much may be. |
| 23:07 |
Hasimir |
bits don't rot, they flip |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
for all we know this is a not yet documented numeric field breakthrough |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir bitrot = "changes in data due to the substrate rather than activity" |
| 23:08 |
Hasimir |
I know, I was being facetious |
| 23:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Math breakthrough/phd thesis seems most likely atm |
| 23:08 |
Hasimir |
been awake for a while ... |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo no fucking way srsly. |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i have had enough shockers for a year |
| 23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
and it's barely may. |
| 23:09 |
Hasimir |
BingoBoingo, no, they'd've published by now |
| 23:09 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Looking at there being a pattern at all... Moar shockers!!! |
| 23:10 |
Hasimir |
unless it's on jstor ... |
| 23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow |
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| 23:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Hasimir: Nah, some poor motherfucker could be Dr. Motherfucker if only they didn't sign with an "Intelligence" agency |
| 23:10 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow << Yes |
| 23:10 |
Hasimir |
ah ... kk |
| 23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the odds of which... gimme a break. |
| 23:11 |
BingoBoingo |
I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru |
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| 23:12 |
decimation |
281479271743489 (the common exponent) = 65537*641*6700417 |
| 23:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!up AdrianoOliveira |
| 23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142379 << and you've not published this ?! |
| 23:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:32; Hasimir: BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1 |
| 23:13 |
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BingoBoingo puclished front yart encounter with two sweaty feds |
| 23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation yes. and notice 641 was a factor in the modulus i quoited above |
| 23:13 |
decimation |
yeah. interesting. |
| 23:14 |
Hasimir |
having trouble with deedbot atm |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!up deedbot- |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
just say deedbot- url |
| 23:14 |
trinque |
how so |
| 23:16 |
Hasimir |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3QDH2V3.txt |
| 23:17 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
| 23:17 |
Hasimir |
woohoo |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142381<< the other half being that ancient training of us politicians where "every question is an opportunity to rehash your agenda". and so... even if nothing else is said, repeating the "Erryone must upgrade" mantra is like buying ibm. won't get you fired. |
| 23:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:46; ascii_field: mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue. |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir wd. |
| 23:17 |
Hasimir |
does it only work in channel or via pm too? |
| 23:18 |
decimation |
https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/05/20/2015-11642/wassenaar-arrangement-2013-plenary-agreements-implementation-intrusion-and-surveillance-items#h-18 < " |
| 23:19 |
decimation |
The WA-agreed definition for ?intrusion software? is proposed to be added to § 772.1 of the EAR. The definition also includes a Note that describes some items not included as ?intrusion software,?e.g., hypervisors, debuggers or Software Reverse Engineering (SRE). |
| 23:19 |
trinque |
Hasimir: doing it here is nice for the logs, but it works both places. |
| 23:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Someone understand wassenar to do a qntra piece? |
| 23:19 |
Hasimir |
cool |
| 23:19 |
Hasimir |
wassenar, god, I still want to bury that fucking thing |
| 23:19 |
decimation |
^ usg is proposing to implement a treaty (purely via executive fiat) to ban the export of 'intrusion software' |
| 23:19 |
decimation |
(unless you get a license and permission from usg of course) |
| 23:19 |
Hasimir |
decimation, they've been at it through wassenar for nearly 2 decades now |
| 23:20 |
Hasimir |
I first wrote about it in '97 or '98 |
| 23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, who cares about the us anymore, not like they have the edge in crypto |
| 23:20 |
decimation |
not even crypto related |
| 23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
what's next, somalia won't export laptops ? |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation foss is fundamentally immune to this bs, and who uses ms hypervisor |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Panasonic |
| 23:21 |
Hasimir |
mircea_popescu, but individuals aren't |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
hey asc, there comes your fab. |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir individuals are mobile. |
| 23:22 |
decimation |
it all comes down to "get a note from stalin" |
| 23:22 |
Hasimir |
some are, hopefully enough |
| 23:22 |
Hasimir |
or do a satoshi |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir you see how your position here contradicts your earlier stated position re guns ? :) |
| 23:22 |
* |
BingoBoingo seriously wants some fresh wassenar news for the qntra |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently everyone holds the same beliefs when it comes to things they care about, and the other set for everything else. |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
which... is fine :) |
| 23:22 |
decimation |
wanna build an aircraft? fly an r/c plane? put 'intrusion software' on your website? get a note from stalin. |
| 23:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00028614 = 2.5753 BTC [+] |
| 23:23 |
Hasimir |
ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever |
| 23:23 |
Hasimir |
they're a tool, like any other |
| 23:24 |
Hasimir |
unfortunately often wielded by tools too |
| 23:24 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.reddit.com/r/kinkyshitlords/comments/33roxc/just_joined_fetlife/ |
| 23:25 |
Hasimir |
with a high percentage of said tools also having badges |
| 23:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Guns need no badges, just oil |
| 23:26 |
Hasimir |
case in point, that url posted here earlier of the cops who lobbed a flash-bang at a baby |
| 23:30 |
BingoBoingo |
C&R Yugo SKS has a lot of pluses |
| 23:34 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: " foss is fundamentally immune to this bs" < not clear. however I suspect usg would not want to try to stick someone posting foss - because the courts would likely find that this kind of regulation would contradict the first amendment |
| 23:35 |
BingoBoingo |
WHatever all *nix are US legal by 2nd amendment |
| 23:36 |
decimation |
and note this is a regulation, not a law |
| 23:36 |
Hasimir |
BingoBoingo, that was Bernstein's argument |
| 23:37 |
decimation |
Hasimir: yes and it was successful as I recall |
| 23:37 |
Hasimir |
I thought it settled before it got far enough to set precedent |
| 23:38 |
decimation |
right, which is why usg isn't going to test it again |
| 23:38 |
Hasimir |
except for defcad |
| 23:39 |
decimation |
https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/04/21-29 < and they did rule |
| 23:40 |
Hasimir |
oh cool |
| 23:40 |
decimation |
eh those defcad guys are just attention whores |
| 23:40 |
decimation |
what has usg done against them? |
| 23:40 |
Hasimir |
true, but the case might be interesting |
| 23:41 |
decimation |
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/09/state-department-demands-takedown-of-3d-printable-gun-for-possible-export-control-violation/ < the state dept sent him a letter |
| 23:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Cody and Clitler have a back and forth |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
"Pursuant to 127.1 of the ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or tranferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an export under 120.17 of the ITAR." |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
I'm not sure whatever came of this |
| 23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
<Hasimir> ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever << not the point. earlier when guns were being discussed you said " I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place", which yes is a valid point. but when it comes to something you actually know/care about, suddenly it';s not nearly as appealing, as good a point as it may be. |
| 23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation moreover, you can just pgp me the code and i'll publish it. |
| 23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
now it's been exported, samizdat style. |
| 23:44 |
decimation |
ah it's in court http://www.scribd.com/doc/264435890/Defense-Distributed-et-al-v-U-S-Dept-of-State |
| 23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
!s shovel ak |
| 23:45 |
assbot |
5 results for 'shovel ak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shovel+ak |
| 23:45 |
decimation |
they are trying the same argument as bernstein |
| 23:45 |
decimation |
"Defendants? censorship of Plaintiffs?speech, and the ad hoc, informal and arbitrary manner in which that scheme is applied, violate theFirst, Second, and Fifth Amendments to the United States Constitution." |
| 23:45 |
Hasimir |
decimation, yeah, I thought that was what you were talking about ... |
| 23:46 |
Hasimir |
mircea_popescu, it's always a fine line to walk between being passionate and religiously devoted ... |
| 23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
and the line a lot more visible in topics you care about enough to study in detail.. |
| 23:46 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: of course, but that would give ground for usg to attempt to throw you in jail |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation how would they ever know ? |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on trilema. |
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| 23:47 |
decimation |
someone has the privkey |
| 23:47 |
Hasimir |
well, yes, because you're looking more closely |
| 23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation sure. so ? |
| 23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir exactly. |
| 23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --buttchina |
| 23:50 |
gribble |
(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) |
| 23:50 |
decimation |
it will be interesting to see what the court rules on this |
| 23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market buttchina |
| 23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: heh seems there will be leaks.b-a.link soon << nb, nb |
| 23:50 |
gribble |
BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.32941, Best ask: 236.334255, Bid-ask spread: 0.00484, Last trade: 236.327795, 24 hour volume: 16115.88970000, 24 hour low: 234.748325, 24 hour high: 237.342015, 24 hour vwap: 235.934384743 |
| 23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i like cryptome but they have too much shit |
| 23:51 |
decimation |
I suspect usg will withdraw because they don't want the court to rule that thier little export regulation house of cards is unconstitutional |
| 23:51 |
decimation |
it provides jobs, see |
| 23:51 |
* |
BingoBoingo watching asciilifeform's suggested movie |
| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
depends. they didn't withdraw the obamacare taxnontax |
| 23:52 |
decimation |
yeah but that's because obama would have personally lost face |
| 23:52 |
decimation |
obama can pretend he doesn't even know what these people are talking about |
| 23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Hasimir: cool, will do << for the record, this non-readable dump of text stuff is annoying. |
| 23:53 |
decimation |
at any rate, the pro-gun lobby in the us is quite strong and well funded, it generally levels political opposition |
| 23:53 |
mircea_popescu |
if you must include blobs, include them apart from whatever it is you're deed-ing |
| 23:53 |
Hasimir |
ah |
| 23:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Also in USia Nagant, SKS, and other curios with bayonets already mounted ++ |
| 23:57 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142468 << wait, wut ?! mandatory voting ? |
| 23:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-05-2015 23:31:13; cazalla: trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one |
| 23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this, iran ? |
| 23:58 |
Hasimir |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt |
| 23:59 |
Hasimir |
!up deedbot- |
| 23:59 |
Hasimir |
guess not |
| 23:59 |
BingoBoingo |
OMG asciilifeform movie night |
| 23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt |