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00:03 dorion trinque thank you. I'd read it's meat operated, qr code over airgap iirc, but thought meat operation was only on outputs side.
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00:22 BingoBoingo In local news, stress fractures https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Carolina-Cosse-pidio-calmarse-un-poco-y-dejar-de-hacer-politica-basada-en-focus-group--uc725571
00:32 ave1 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925588, thx! fixed. I did not put in a double ) to close of that comment. I also fixed some grammatical errors (I forgot to wait half an hour an proof-read before posting)
00:32 a111 Logged on 2019-07-29 20:57 mp_en_viaje: ave1, you fucked up the footnote format. remember that a (( opens and a )) closes and there's no nesting. thus therefore you can never have (( inside a footnote, like you do in footnote 3
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03:54 mp_en_viaje in other sads, something called "Blackboard_Safeassign" has been apparently crawling trilema for a while. it turns out "SafeAssign is a tool used to prevent plagiarism and to create opportunities to help students identify how to properly attribute sources rather than paraphrase. SafeAssign is effective as both a deterrent and an educational tool."
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03:54 mp_en_viaje woe upon kiddies turning in trilema pages as their homework!
04:03 mp_en_viaje oh, and : "Website & Social Media Compliance, Monitoring and eDiscovery Solutions -- PageFreezer takes compliance and litigation off your plate by automatically archiving your websites, social media and enterprise collaboration in one easy cloud-based dashboard."
04:04 mp_en_viaje this is not even a stupid idea, sell web aerchiving as a litigation adjuvant.
04:15 mp_en_viaje meanwhile in other empire lulz, reader points out trilema "disappeared" q4 2018. magic!
04:16 mp_en_viaje i guess i can go hang out with maduro and that guy in syria nao, new mp "democratically elected" in washington
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05:08 mp_en_viaje meanwhile in rotaku antiqua, http://trilema.com/2011/uite-stam-si-noi-degeaba-pe-aici/ ; i probably should translate that piece.
05:08 mp_en_viaje aaand... this elitebook has developped a new problem : if it gets overheated, the wifi drops.
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05:09 mp_en_viaje i thought for a day it's "bad internet", but no, everything else works, just this lappy drops. and... i put it in the fridge for 10 minutes, now "the internet" is fine again.
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05:09 mp_en_viaje who the fuck heard of this, ima have to fridge my laptop periodically.
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06:25 feedbot http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-function-null-step-3/ << ave1 -- Lisp, Function NULL, Step 3.
06:27 ave1 btw, I do like lisp and going through the spec.
06:36 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/fracture/ << Trilema -- Fracture
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08:15 jurov ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time.
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10:22 ave1 jurov: Thanks!, I'll try it, but are all these lisp (sbcl, ecl etc) version 2 or 1?
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10:22 ave1 I did read SICP, so I'm not unfamiliar with the basic concepts
10:26 ave1 Modern times; https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/the_end_of_an_era_1/
10:27 ave1 Personally, I wish it was possible to understand all the principles, but I guess its simply a reality that I must deal with. I guess, if you think about it, the path to further progression does not come from re-learning what has already been known a long time, but from using and building on that basis, applying principles in a working fashion, and achieving new things.
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10:45 jurov ave1: CLTL2 means "Common Lisp the Language, 2nd edition", it's not about Lisp-1 vs. Lisp-2 distinction.
10:46 jurov sbcl, ecl, ccl are all Common Lisp (notice the big C) implementations
10:48 jurov There is no common (with small c) lisp, but multiple dialects.
10:49 asciilifeform jurov: i've actually written battlefield proggies in nuffin but the paper-standard cl. but admittedly this is rare.
10:50 jurov asciilifeform: i'm just under impression ave1 is confusing common and Common
10:50 asciilifeform hrm, prolly oughta disambiguate the sentence -- 'some proggies' 'in nuffin-but-the-paper-standard cl'
10:50 asciilifeform jurov: what's 'common' here ?
10:51 asciilifeform i only know one, i.e. ANSI INCITS 226-1994
10:52 asciilifeform ave1: re sussman, see also
10:53 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925635 << the root of misunderstanding.
10:53 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 14:22 ave1: jurov: Thanks!, I'll try it, but are all these lisp (sbcl, ecl etc) version 2 or 1?
10:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925626 << this is endemic. affects crapple boxen, and possibly all the recent (5y or so) chipsets
10:54 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 09:08 mp_en_viaje: aaand... this elitebook has developped a new problem : if it gets overheated, the wifi drops.
10:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925619 << i've been seeing these for years nao. they're all contemptible scams, incidentally: profit model is that shit student ~pays~ to test for 'accidental' plagiarism , so that homework won't set off detector when his prof tests
10:56 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 07:54 mp_en_viaje: in other sads, something called "Blackboard_Safeassign" has been apparently crawling trilema for a while. it turns out "SafeAssign is a tool used to prevent plagiarism and to create opportunities to help students identify how to properly attribute sources rather than paraphrase. SafeAssign is effective as both a deterrent and an educational tool."
10:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925627 << watch out for condensate
10:56 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 09:09 mp_en_viaje: i thought for a day it's "bad internet", but no, everything else works, just this lappy drops. and... i put it in the fridge for 10 minutes, now "the internet" is fine again.
10:57 asciilifeform ( the correct way to refrigerate devices is in sealed container w/ silica gel or at least dry rice )
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10:58 * diana_coman imagines MP throwing lappy into the soup pot in the fridge
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10:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925632 << defo get cltl2. trying to learn from the ansi doc will pop yer head.
10:58 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 12:15 jurov: ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time.
10:59 asciilifeform ave1: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-repository/ai/html/cltl/cltl2.html full text.
11:09 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925656 << eh, it's so dusty it'll absorb all condensation :D
11:09 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 14:57 asciilifeform: ( the correct way to refrigerate devices is in sealed container w/ silica gel or at least dry rice )
11:09 asciilifeform lol
11:09 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925659 << she knows me too well by now
11:09 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 14:58 diana_coman imagines MP throwing lappy into the soup pot in the fridge
11:12 asciilifeform meanwhile in heathen pits. ( was, apparently, the source of the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925477 bandwidth sink. left'em a comment even. )
11:12 a111 Logged on 2019-07-29 14:03 asciilifeform: meanwhile 8+ y.o. asciilifeform piece still being commented..
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11:29 mp_en_viaje you know, at the rate imperial tards spawn, i expect we're just on the cusp of becoming "old man on the mountain" saint-hermits, revered antiqua etc.
11:30 asciilifeform 'in april was the jackal born, in june the rain-fed rivers swelled; 'never in all my life,' said he, 'have i so great a flood beheld''
11:37 mp_en_viaje you know ?
11:38 asciilifeform not even jackal, these folx have life cycle approaching that of drosophila naodays
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11:57 asciilifeform 'His blog is now nothing but bloviating about bitcoin' << didjaknow !
11:57 * asciilifeform loox re when ~did~ last write anyffin about bitcoin... apparently '14.
11:59 asciilifeform possibly the source of confusion for the drosophila was the fact of ffa series being tagged, among other strings, 'bitcoin' , lol
12:02 mp_en_viaje more likely a simple http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/ failure ; they looked for "https everywhere" or "code of conduct" or whatever and didn't find it ; and reaching to label the situation somehiw
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12:03 mp_en_viaje since "he's not fucked in the head like us lowly peons" isn't available to the peon psyche, "bloviating about bitcoin" will hafta do
12:03 asciilifeform seems likely. difficult to picture 1 of these actually taking time to read the fucking link
12:03 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-schools-breeding-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Schools Breeding Narcissism? Adnotated.
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12:03 mp_en_viaje your blog just fails to properly say apple could buy russia, or montjoie saint denis, or whatever "you're supposed to say".
12:03 asciilifeform they do a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440#selection-127.2-257.37 and jz .Not_Found, eh.
12:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925680 << oblig >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/breedingbolsheviks.jpg
12:07 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 16:03 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-schools-breeding-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Schools Breeding Narcissism? Adnotated.
12:11 mp_en_viaje keks
12:12 mp_en_viaje in other news, kiev has excellent slut support stores, not merely good party scene support.
12:12 asciilifeform what's in such a store ? those arse-installable fox tails ?
12:13 mp_en_viaje got the sluts hats, masks, stockings, hanbot got GG bras -- which is the first time managed to find a fitting bra for her and so on
12:13 asciilifeform aa
12:13 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, the buttplugs are more sex shop fare in my classificatiion
12:13 asciilifeform a, assumed that's what ~was~ 'slut support shop'
12:14 mp_en_viaje noh, see, support ?
12:14 asciilifeform and somehow i imagined (based on thin air) that silicoimplant comes with set of fitting covers
12:14 asciilifeform y'know, like lappy used to
12:15 mp_en_viaje but it goes... under the pectoral muscle
12:16 mp_en_viaje then there's the tit fat, and then thetre's the skin. how could the implant come with a bra ?
12:16 asciilifeform there was at one time a place that molded in-ear headphone to client's ear. assumed somehow that this exists for tits, and perhaps comes with the silicothing, lol
12:17 * asciilifeform not up to date on subj
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12:34 asciilifeform meanwhile, in not-news, linux 3.16.70 src weighs... 625 MB .
12:36 asciilifeform ( ~not~ including any particular gcc , or ~gcc's deps~, or 'binutils' req'd by the latter. just kernel. )
12:49 mp_en_viaje why even.
12:49 mp_en_viaje somehow THEY don't think THAT comes with a cover.
12:57 asciilifeform still remains to be seen, what subset can be discarded w/out reading
12:58 asciilifeform (i suspect -- at least 80%. but do not know for fact.)
12:59 asciilifeform may even be that the only practical approach is to discard ~100%~... ( who can meaningfully read 125M of obfuscated-c liquishit ? )
13:00 asciilifeform to port the kernel to 'M', asciilifeform ended up having to read pretty good chunk of the arch/mips subtree, and it was comparatively small -- still bucket of sweat.
13:01 asciilifeform not, incidentally, meaningfully documented anywhere (tho no shortage of 'these here are docs, cuz we said!' crapola) -- tho i do not expect this surprises anyone.
13:02 mp_en_viaje myeah
13:02 asciilifeform the sheer magnitude of the bloat, is impressive even vs. microshit's (iirc 'win2k' kernel src weighed ~300M)
13:05 asciilifeform for completeness : 'drivers' subtree weighed 323M ; 'arch' (machine-specifics) : 126M; leaving a 176M (quite evenly spread across remainder) .
13:05 asciilifeform e.g. 29MB of simply include .h crapola .
13:06 asciilifeform 28MB of soundcardism (why separate from 'drivers' ?? ask linus...) ; 26MB of ~unreadable 'docs' ; 6M of firmware 'blobs' (recall when linus said 'no blobs' ??)
13:06 mp_en_viaje they gave up.
13:06 asciilifeform 3M of build scriptolade alone
13:07 asciilifeform 25M of nic driverade
13:07 asciilifeform (again outside of 'drivers' for sumreason)
13:07 asciilifeform and kernel per se (not incl. headers) : ~7.
13:17 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-who-are-academics-writing-for-for-whom-are-academics-writing-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Who Are Academics Writing For? (For Whom Are Academics Writing?) Adnotated.
13:30 asciilifeform that kernels is an exact equiv. of http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-arent-two-antipsychotics-better-than-one-the-most-important-article-on-psychiatry-part-3-adnotated/#identifier_2_86297 . and prolly born via exactly analogous process.
13:33 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925677 << The part that amazes me is just how much the retards' handshaking appears unchanged. No strong indications this is distinctly 2019 derping rather than 2014 derping
13:33 a111 Logged on 2019-07-30 16:02 mp_en_viaje: more likely a simple http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/ failure ; they looked for "https everywhere" or "code of conduct" or whatever and didn't find it ; and reaching to label the situation somehiw
13:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why would change ? e.g. frog, croaks same today as 1e6y ago
13:36 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In the cultural space the sounds of the croaks certainly changed. "Compassionate Immigration" to "No Borders" and "Gay Weddings are fine" to "Worship Trannies NOW"
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14:04 mp_en_viaje hm.
14:05 mp_en_viaje maybe it's a matter of history, they have the handshakes sorted by year, and they decide who to feel superior to that way, "oh, bro, that tshirt is so 2015"
14:05 mp_en_viaje whereas if there's nothing they recognize, panic.
14:06 asciilifeform hm i distinctly remembered the 'tard handshake' being about the catv incident ! but apparently entirely diff piece
14:07 asciilifeform found the item fwiw.
14:15 mp_en_viaje not that different after all.
14:16 asciilifeform meanwhile, in tombs of other 'i will clean linux!' folx.
14:16 a111 Logged on 2015-05-21 09:12 gabriel_laddel: CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste. Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p
14:19 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in local supply and demand https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mas-de-800-inscritos-para-9-plazas-de-peon-en-obras-de-Ferrocarril-Central-uc725602
14:21 BingoBoingo "Homero Delgado, jefe de la oficina del Ministerio de Trabajo en Durazno, explicó en declaraciones al noticiero Informe Nacional, emitido por Radio Uruguay, que el llamado está dirigido a personas que vivan en un radio de 100 km de la obra, pero eso no impidió que se inscribiera gente proveniente de lugares mucho más lejanos, como Cerro Largo o Soriano. Según informaron desde el Ministerio de Trabajo a Montevideo Portal, a la
14:21 BingoBoingo s 11 de la mañana ya había 1043 inscriptos."
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14:55 mp_en_viaje do they get a sammich or what
14:58 BingoBoingo I do believe the 9 lucky peons get sandwiches
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15:30 mp_en_viaje a well then
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17:53 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/07/israelis-enthusiastically-burning-f-35s-stealth-window-with-strikes-now-in-iraq/ << Qntra -- Israelis Enth...ally Burning F-35's Stealth Window With Strikes, Now In Iraq
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18:45 mp_en_viaje i even forgot all that 2011 lulz
18:47 asciilifeform via linked lulz, 'Haaretz.com is now inaccessible to visitors using ad blockers' << endemic nonsense, and only possible, afaik, on acct of 'ad blocker' writers taking payola from spammers
18:57 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: I can't help by think of the USG/NATO/ETC F-35 dilemma as anything other than the ASIC era drama again
18:58 mp_en_viaje pretty lulzy considering what the shit cost
19:00 BingoBoingo Seriously, amplified by Irael's F-35 purchases being funded directly from their US payola.
19:01 BingoBoingo And the F-35 hole is ~1/3rd of the USG's fall from "Could have bought Russia in 1991" to today
19:05 mp_en_viaje just about huh
19:10 BingoBoingo And everything that distinguishes it from cheaper alternatives is being spent 2017-[2019 or 2021] so Israel can stot by fucking up random warehouses outside of a ware
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20:24 asciilifeform imho actually a mistake to think of e.g. f35 as 'product' that 'has a price', as if it were toyota -- what instead is that the parasitic toad at any given time demands x %% of the printolade, and produces/pretends to produce certain # of golden toilets, and x / # is then 'price'
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20:25 asciilifeform often enuff (e.g ronnie raygun's 'star wars') there ain't even a physical toilet.
20:26 asciilifeform iirc mp_en_viaje had a piece where illustrated this using 'whore vs. princess wife'
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20:26 asciilifeform where the latter 'is to be paid 100% of yer money and in return will do as much or as little as feels like'
20:29 asciilifeform i.e. 'price of f35' is same order of item as 'price' of an individual reluctant fuck from princesswife
20:31 asciilifeform only offers the illusion of being a finite number because of practical limits (denominator aint actually +infinity ; and numerator in practice is rarely 0 , occasionally 'wife' is bored and/or does some 'work' by sheer accident )
20:31 asciilifeform err, numerator/denominator
20:33 asciilifeform re: the limit, where spent->+inf / work->0 -- see also. .
20:33 a111 Logged on 2015-02-21 04:28 asciilifeform: in j. sladek's 'tik tok', sf novel in '83, in the 'dark future' (tm) an aircraft-carrier-with-wheels, vast and infinitely expensive, is finally built
20:34 asciilifeform already (Officially!) ~90% of f35 costs in 'software' (ball of cpp...)
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20:38 * asciilifeform was actually mildly surprised that 'f35' resulted in something resembling a physical machine. fully expected that it would remain 'software' indefinitely.
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21:01 BingoBoingo Well, its a product in the way Bitcoin mining FGPA/ASICs were 2011-2013
21:01 BingoBoingo For exactly those reasons. BFL was born sanding plastic caps from cheap surplus FGPAs after all
21:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: diff is, 'btc miner asic' is -- conceptually -- a thing, that can exist. whereas jet that is somehow 'worth' cost of 300 'prospective opponent's' machines , aint a thing.
21:04 asciilifeform not unless it can teleport and fire death rays at 300 targets simult.
21:06 BingoBoingo You forgot the 'worth' applies to the ASICs too
21:06 BingoBoingo Avalon didn't ship internally dusty machines without reason
21:07 asciilifeform i confess i dun follow the analogy
21:08 asciilifeform tho possibly i get the implication in BingoBoingo's piece, where what utility the thing has, will be spent, 'pushing up difficulty'. but afaik this is entirely incidental to the process that produced the thing, and its predecessors/successors, process that has ~0 to do with utility, prospective or otherwise
21:18 BingoBoingo Well, the higher difficulty goes the more constrained members of the buying group become in how they use the thing. Because Israel is driving up difficulty blowing up random warehouses, whoever might want to use the thing to take out radar sites before "humanely intervening" has to lose more jets.
21:21 asciilifeform afaik is questionable whether item had 'difficulty' in this sense to begin with
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21:24 BingoBoingo But as long as 'difficulty' doesn't get tested it can be marketing wanked over. Once operators begin losing airframes, its value goes from marketing bluster to something interns fight over using MS Excel spreadshit comparing it to Brasil's SUper Tucano
21:27 asciilifeform oddly enuff, the 'difficulty gets tested and found laugh' somehow didn't make ~any measurable diff in korea/vietnam (where sov iron flew circles around nato's -- yet somehow the chairmen an' boards of 'lockheed', 'grumman', etc. ~weren't~ shot, nor any detectable similar thing happened )
21:34 BingoBoingo Well, it lead to Gulf War 1 and Tailhook. Those lead to "Joint Strike Fighter"
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