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00:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fuck does this mean, stealing his gurl's ticket
00:23 mircea_popescu decimation nah, it was concrete
00:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Gerrit workflow - Gerrit interprets each Git commit as an individual change. Changes are autobuilt by Jenkins, and can be reviewed by developers. Once a change has gotten a positive review and has no build issues, it is applied to the master branch. Thus, no developer directly pushes to master."
00:33 mircea_popescu because it's retarded.
00:34 mircea_popescu go to all that trouble to introduce git hooks to sign, eschew pgp. i wouldn't use them to put a fire out.
00:39 mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/1b9759c651468fb1d3a4b462224ec2c0/tumblr_mwyojcsRmM1scedu9o1_500.jpg
00:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWKDyE )
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01:01 ben_vulpes meh, i bet her return's sloppy
01:01 mircea_popescu fine, have a replacement free of charge. http://31.media.tumblr.com/6e3cc264c57961fb6f28bbaf38e2cc66/tumblr_n077bd6igt1rrlqg0o1_400.gif
01:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWLFdM )
01:02 * ben_vulpes is pleased
01:03 ben_vulpes dude html is the worst
01:04 ben_vulpes p and and and ul and div and everything are just so floppy all of the time and used in such wildly divergent ways
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01:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the fuck does this mean << what it looked like: she was leaving town, he tried to get in the way
01:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Gerrit workflow - Gerrit interprets each Git commit ... << wtf why even
01:51 asciilifeform how mircea_popescu even came to see this cthonian horror.
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02:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00026314 = 7.4732 BTC [+]
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03:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform from their "download" page. http://www.coreboot.org/ click download
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03:09 assbot coreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa84dr )
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03:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14081 @ 0.00026314 = 3.7053 BTC [+]
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03:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37927 @ 0.00025979 = 9.8531 BTC [-]
04:08 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21f3of/mircea_popescu_on_wikipedia/ lmao
04:08 assbot Mircea Popescu on Wikipedia : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1dUYYAO )
04:09 mircea_popescu ;;seen chillum
04:09 gribble chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Chillum> I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing
04:09 mircea_popescu ;;later tell chillum hey, you gonna ban that dude now ?
04:09 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:19 mircea_popescu oh, even more good shit. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21xrov/mpex_owner_getting_letters_from_us_gov_in_danger/
04:19 assbot MPEx owner getting letters from US gov, in danger of being extradited to US to stand trial : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H6JjYB )
04:19 mircea_popescu who knew reddit actually becomes funny after a year or so.
04:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25626 @ 0.00025702 = 6.5864 BTC [-]
04:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9334 @ 0.00026063 = 2.4327 BTC [+] {2}
04:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46616 @ 0.00026322 = 12.2703 BTC [+] {2}
04:40 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2pzssy/in_what_world_are_smart_contracts_actually_a_good/ << ftr, "smart contracts" are actually infinitely stupid.
04:40 assbot In what world are "smart contracts" actually a good idea? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H6Lrzx )
04:40 mircea_popescu we don't usually discuss it because it's so amply obvious, but just in case.
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05:35 davout asciilifeform: so i managed to get "busybox mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda1" working on the pogo by using buildroot-2015.05-rc1 instead of 2015.02, applying your patches (which do apply cleanly), apply my WIP-patch, and boot on that
05:35 davout as the little work would say: 'victory is mine!'
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05:59 davout so now my next issue is when trying to run your experimental armv5 build i get:
05:59 davout "/bin/sh: ./bitcoind-armv5-traditional_b8eec4fa118ba1deefa35af38fe58ae160ec22f4: not found"
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06:00 davout *worm btw
06:11 davout oh and ben_vulpes, by 'real computer' I mean any non-Apple machine, that'll always be a good improvememnt :D
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06:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39979 @ 0.00026338 = 10.5297 BTC [+] {2}
06:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47651 @ 0.0002644 = 12.5989 BTC [+] {2}
06:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11221 @ 0.00026432 = 2.9659 BTC [-]
06:53 davout running the experimental armv5 binary doesn't work either, with same error, on the buildroot-2015.02 kernel
06:53 davout however, mounting the ext2 partition works
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105301 @ 0.0002644 = 27.8416 BTC [+] {3}
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07:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44923 @ 0.0002597 = 11.6665 BTC [-]
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08:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00026475 = 2.8328 BTC [+]
08:49 funkenstein_ http://www.theonion.com/article/god-realizes-he-forgot-put-souls-humans-50378
08:49 assbot God Realizes He Forgot To Put Souls In Humans - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1F70ZUC )
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10:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40589 @ 0.00026141 = 10.6104 BTC [-]
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11:25 jurov funkenstein_: more like He forgot to debug such an optional feature and resorted to monkey-patching
11:26 jurov and it's prolly where that term comes from
11:29 Naphex Khipus, the ancient blockchains. Had much of the security model as well
11:29 Naphex http://www.ancientscripts.com/quipu.html
11:29 assbot Ancient Scripts: Quipu ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzTLYS )
11:31 Naphex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYq-VtyAd2s
11:31 assbot The Inca Quipu - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzTXHA )
11:31 jurov stahp! ancient mystery is non-renewable resource! http://www.ancientscripts.com/quipu.html
11:31 assbot Ancient Scripts: Quipu ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzU2uO )
11:31 jurov http://oglaf.com/fogofmeat/ << i mean this
11:31 assbot the Fog of Meat ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzU31Y )
11:32 Naphex hehe, might not be the best source
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12:28 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Header image now 300kb not 2mb
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12:36 scoopbot_revived Austin Powers : International Man of Mystery http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/austin-powers-international-man-of-mystery/
12:39 jurov /msg williamdunne yea got the stego data alright
12:39 jurov oops
12:41 williamdunne jurov: eh?
12:43 jurov kakobrekla: pls remove the last 3 lines
12:44 jurov (just trolling you)
12:49 punkman lol http://imgur.com/ost0xs5
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12:49 assbot Code Red Dead Ahead: historical chart of average blocksize and network-imposed blocksize limits - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzMxpB )
13:00 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126958 << it won't work, because no one has, yet, a fully static build. see logs.
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13:00 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 09:59:48; davout: "/bin/sh: ./bitcoind-armv5-traditional_b8eec4fa118ba1deefa35af38fe58ae160ec22f4: not found"
13:01 asciilifeform the uniquely idiotic error message, 'not found', refers to glibc and its turds (libnss etc)
13:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126936 << one of the nice things about having the source, regardless of how idiotic the dev process which produced it, is cutting away the crud. which you can do with coreboot, just as with bitcoind etc.
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13:03 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 07:09:51; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from their "download" page. http://www.coreboot.org/ click download
13:04 asciilifeform so, for instance, if you -never- run winblows, you can nix -all- of classical x86 bios-compatibility turd
13:04 asciilifeform can even stuff your favourite kernel in the resulting cavity.
13:05 asciilifeform and boot directly to it. you then will have guaranteed function for all of your disks, other peripherals, etc. which worked under that linux kernel
13:06 asciilifeform it no longer matters if the idiot bios your motherboard vendor supplied understands what a flash stick, etc. is.
13:08 decimation asciilifeform: I wish there were a curated release of coreboot
13:09 asciilifeform decimation: i'd consider doing this, but doubt there is any serious demand
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13:09 decimation reading through some of the 'hardware support' pages, it seems like getting to boot is rarely straightforward
13:09 asciilifeform decimation: ultra-straightforward on non-retarded hardware
13:09 asciilifeform however, this means amd.
13:09 decimation yeah, everything else is iffy
13:09 asciilifeform which is in the process of going extinct
13:09 decimation interestingly it appears that google uses it for their chromebooks
13:10 asciilifeform google gets nonpublic info from chip vendors and then pisses all over gpl.
13:10 decimation yeah, like most hardware vendors
13:10 decimation actually I kinda wonder what the 'inside story' is in the bios business
13:10 asciilifeform several years ago, i bought the arm chipset chromebook and tried in vain, for ages, to install gentoo on it
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13:10 asciilifeform thing is, they shipped it with gentoo
13:11 decimation why do hardware vendors continually purchase the same american microtrends turds?
13:11 asciilifeform but with a mountain of closed turds to make the hardware go.
13:11 asciilifeform decimation: because there are not so many firms with access to intel initialization turds
13:11 asciilifeform phun phact: virtually everything we publicly know re: how an intel cpu inits comes from the great ami bios source leaks
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13:12 asciilifeform (one in '98, and another more recent one)
13:12 decimation wow, I"ve never tried to boot intel myself
13:12 asciilifeform x86 simply desperately must die.
13:12 decimation I always figured the instructions were in a databook
13:12 asciilifeform i will go on record as objecting to anything which extends its life
13:13 asciilifeform thing is, when it dies, arm will become the new x86.
13:13 decimation yeah but the world seems to be adopting the arm turd instead
13:13 decimation heh
13:13 asciilifeform it will be in some ways a much deeper and more fetid pit.
13:13 decimation yeah, arm has like 20 versions
13:13 decimation and they seem to have no issue with pumping out more
13:13 asciilifeform that's not even the boojum here
13:14 asciilifeform rather, it is that arm is implemented by 'licensees' who get an opaque turd
13:14 asciilifeform which turns into a chip with minimal human intervention
13:14 decimation how does that work? wouldn't they need to integrate with the fab design tools?
13:15 asciilifeform decimation: everyone uses same tools
13:15 decimation so you get a 'partially compiled' black box turd? it's amazing hardware vendors put up with that kind of shit
13:15 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
13:15 asciilifeform afaik there are -no- independent (as in, based on published documents) reimplementations of arm in production today.
13:15 decimation no, not in production
13:16 asciilifeform decimation: this is absolute SOP among hardware makers
13:16 asciilifeform virtually everything that is produced today is simply a 'model airplane' glued from opaque libraryturds licensed from N vendors
13:17 decimation yeah that's depressing as hell
13:18 decimation it's clear that man's ability to manufacture small transistors has outstripped his ability to properly design with them
13:22 asciilifeform as far as usg is concerned, this kind of design -is- proper
13:22 asciilifeform the only proper.
13:22 asciilifeform as for the free world, it has -not one chip fab- to its name
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13:23 asciilifeform (no, cn, ru, etc. are not 'free world' in this sense, they run winblows toolchains and operate overwhelmingly on designs cribbed wholesale without any attempt whatsoever to fit in any head)
13:24 asciilifeform cn produces -licensed- arm. this tells you what you need to know about their process.
13:24 asciilifeform even their 'loongson' mips, in latest versions, appears to use the official licensed mips corp. designs.
13:25 asciilifeform cn appears to have no traces whatsoever of any indigenous tradition of cpu design. and they understand what kind of investment would be involved in changing this, and behave perfectly logically from economic point of view, and say 'fuck that'
13:26 asciilifeform ru has indigenous cpu design tradition, and many of the folks who were at it prior to the great 'warez shift' of mid-'70s, when compatibility with western cpus was mandated from above - are still alive
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13:26 asciilifeform but ru is not interested in exporting cpu.
13:26 asciilifeform nor are their fabs (last i checked) toolchain-clean in terms of 100% usg-free.
13:27 decimation one wonders why these other countries don't perceive this as a 'sovereignty' issue
13:27 asciilifeform they do
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13:27 asciilifeform but this is the ultimate lemon market
13:27 decimation Maybe cn figures they can use us warez until they grow rich enough to toss a few coin toward this concept
13:27 asciilifeform in -every- case, the sc4mz0rz who are willing to use 'a little bit' of usg toolchain, overwhelmingly win on cost and speed
13:28 asciilifeform hence why ru missile controllers are built using ancient soviet arch, yes, but the fab is winblows-controlled and the design turns from circuit to mask also in winblows
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13:28 decimation still, merely making an 'open fpga' would be a big improvement
13:29 asciilifeform making so much as an open full-adder would be an astonishing feat
13:29 asciilifeform which is why i suspect we'll be crafting discrete logic cpu again before this is all over.
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13:29 decimation heh yeah
13:30 decimation if one had a working implementation of a silicon cpu (like msp430), wouldn't you be able to test the silicon version against an fpga simulator?
13:31 asciilifeform no.
13:31 asciilifeform for one thing, what does it even mean to test one thing against another ?
13:31 asciilifeform for another, fpga and the genuine article can never be comparable on account of ruinous delays in the latter
13:33 decimation well, run software and perform a timing analysis
13:33 decimation and also voltage
13:33 decimation but I agree, it would be impossible to make clock-exact version of a silicon cpu without heavy support from the manufacturer
13:34 asciilifeform there is a more fundamental problem here, which i think we discussed in at least one old thread
13:34 asciilifeform which is, the basic idea of integrated circuit, as we know it, is inherently centralizing
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13:34 asciilifeform and i dare say, usg-izing.
13:34 decimation yeah, one can insert trapdoor nasties too
13:35 asciilifeform that's not even half of it
13:35 asciilifeform just the 'palace economy' you inherently get, from a chip fab costing what it costs
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13:35 asciilifeform the nasties etc. flow from this
13:35 asciilifeform not vice-versa
13:35 asciilifeform integrated circuit is an inherently 'statal' institution.
13:36 asciilifeform like manned space travel.
13:36 asciilifeform (using presently-known tech, which relies on newton's 3rd law)
13:37 ben_vulpes b-b-b-but em drive!
13:39 decimation em drive uses newton's third law too
13:39 decimation asciilifeform: the only solution is to make silicon fabs cost about 100-1000x less
13:39 asciilifeform rather like saying 'only solution would be space vehicles which cost 1000x less'
13:40 asciilifeform no one has the faintest idea - how.
13:40 decimation actually making rocket launches cheaper is easy in comparison
13:40 asciilifeform considerably.
13:40 asciilifeform (much of the cost of a launch is political, largely bakshish)
13:41 decimation yeah I think I linked herr walker's rant about how the nazis were only paying about $20k per v-2 launch
13:41 decimation there's no reason why leo need be much more expensive than that
13:41 decimation at any rate, less than $1 mil for small payloads
13:43 asciilifeform one of the reasons why si fab costs what it does is that many of the necessary components are made in 2, 3, locations globally
13:43 asciilifeform and made, essentially, to order
13:44 decimation you mean things like the euv light source, etc?
13:44 asciilifeform virtually any item you'd care to name
13:45 asciilifeform (and do we consider refining the si to be part of fab process? my understanding is that it is usually done by separate firm, devoted to it. and how many are there of these ?)
13:45 asciilifeform how many makers of the equipment ?
13:45 decimation yes, and most of the components require constant expert handholding & maintenance
13:45 asciilifeform dig down, and you will find that most of integrated circuit industry on planet3 ultimately lives and dies by the work of a handful of people.
13:45 decimation this is why it looked rational for ibm to pay to take this business off their hands
13:46 asciilifeform aha.
13:46 asciilifeform and that cn, ru silicon sovereignty is a sham of the most laughable kind.
13:46 asciilifeform su - had it
13:46 asciilifeform until they decided, again economically entirely rationally, that it costs far too much for no tangible gain
13:47 asciilifeform shortly after they began to act 'rationally' su was no more
13:47 asciilifeform because sovereignty is not a 'rational' thing
13:47 asciilifeform and cannot be
13:47 decimation no, it always looks like a loser on a purely accounting basis
13:47 asciilifeform the 'economically rational' thing to do, is, invariably, to suck cock of highest bidder.
13:47 asciilifeform what's the ROI on a tank? sub? nuke?
13:47 ben_vulpes reminds me of apple maintaining os x for the intel arch
13:48 decimation but on the flip side you can print scrip and force your subjects to honor it
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13:50 decimation !up funkenstein_
13:52 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-11-2014#933192 << old thread which relates.
13:52 assbot Logged on 24-11-2014 22:59:29; asciilifeform: without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys.
13:52 jurov if they did not act 'rationally' su would survive?
13:53 funkenstein_ thanks, perhaps like the saturn rocket, there will come a day when nobody knows how to build one
13:53 asciilifeform jurov: quite possibly
13:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61771 @ 0.00026065 = 16.1006 BTC [-] {2}
13:54 asciilifeform jurov: ultimately, survival is not a rational act, if you think about it. eating a bullet is always 'cheaper'
13:55 jurov how caould it survive with dwindling population?
13:55 jurov that increasingly sees whole exercise as utterly pointless?
13:55 asciilifeform that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational'
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13:56 asciilifeform and the criteria became 'which kingdom can make cheaper jeans'
13:56 asciilifeform when it was, instead, 'who has longest sovereignty cock' - folks willingly died for the glory of $empire, yes
13:56 asciilifeform british, or su, or usg
13:56 asciilifeform or rome
13:56 asciilifeform same dynamic.
13:57 asciilifeform !s nobody dies for hotel
13:57 assbot 0 results for 'nobody dies for hotel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nobody+dies+for+hotel
13:58 jurov how it can be done when everyone has atomic weapons?
13:59 jurov only by local conflicts and attrition
13:59 jurov su was bad at that
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14:00 jurov usg bad,too but more fuel
14:05 ben_vulpes morning, mike_c
14:10 ben_vulpes IT BEGINS
14:11 * jurov stares towards fox kennel
14:11 mircea_popescu you have a fox kennel ?
14:11 jurov yea, ben_vulpes lives there
14:12 mircea_popescu lol
14:15 mike_c good afternoon ben.
14:16 mircea_popescu what bengins!
14:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129150 @ 0.00026332 = 34.0078 BTC [+] {3}
14:23 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126993 <<< i see
14:23 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:00:47; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126958 << it won't work, because no one has, yet, a fully static build. see logs.
14:25 ben_vulpes hyu
14:25 davout from what i grasped, the issue is that glibc is pulling some random bits in, dynamically
14:25 ben_vulpes i'm beigneting
14:26 davout and i was confused because i didn't remember that danielpbarron's pogo runs a debian thing, hence able to run bitcoind
14:26 mircea_popescu davec originally thought it was libnss meanwhile found a "retarded languages should be supported too" thing
14:27 jurov ben_vulpes are you alright?
14:28 danielpbarron davout, Arch. i couldn't get it to run on debian
14:28 davout he's beigneting, he would be!
14:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126849 << the incredible smarm of us coppers.
14:28 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 00:00:19; pete_dushenski: Fast fwd to yesterday. I wasn't home yet from work, but my wife tells me local LE showed up and wanted to have a "chat". Asked if I or anone had ever ordered anything illicit in the mail. Said "nobody's in trouble, we're just following up on something that might be nothing"."
14:28 mircea_popescu "nobody's in trouble" ? what are you, the kindergarten supervisor ?
14:28 davout jurov: https://www.google.fr/search?q=beignet&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=VKNPVeLIDsGrUZyogNgP&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1397&bih=753
14:28 assbot beignet - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1KygRiU )
14:29 jurov don't feed the animals!
14:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126960 << ruby hipster that despises apple ?! what's this world shattered into!
14:29 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 10:11:00; davout: oh and ben_vulpes, by 'real computer' I mean any non-Apple machine, that'll always be a good improvememnt :D
14:29 davout danielpbarron: right
14:30 davout mircea_popescu: i iz no hipster
14:30 davout mircea_popescu: you're the one with the trendy beard
14:30 mircea_popescu you're french!
14:30 mircea_popescu and you got wild hair! wtf no hipster are you talking about!
14:30 mircea_popescu being french -automatically-> hipster. ask anyone in socal.
14:30 davout mircea_popescu: hipsters have carefully crafted wild hair, mine's natural
14:31 jurov you're natural hipster
14:32 davout fuck you all, i'm leaving, going back to brewing my own beer and growing vegetables on my balcony
14:32 mircea_popescu hahaha. cherry tomatoes ?
14:32 mircea_popescu hanbot did that iirc.
14:33 davout cherry tomatoes... lol.
14:33 davout i'm growing roquette, mind you
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14:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126984 << cartman's woodland creatures love you for it.
14:34 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 16:28:19; williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Header image now 300kb not 2mb
14:34 mircea_popescu how about going the full step and making it like 30k
14:34 jurov or straight back to vectors. 3k then
14:36 fluffypony davout: when I was in the USA I wanted to buy some for a pasta sauce I was making, took me 25 minutes at Whole Foods to figure out that they call it "arugula"
14:36 mircea_popescu "Civilization in the New World has very deep and ancient roots." yeah, and like any case of micropenis, we gotta go digging for it VEEERY carefully.
14:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126991 << myeah. except the "code red" is not what bitcointalk forum derps imagine it is. the code red is, has been for the entire history and likely will remain at least for a while simpler stuff like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126993
14:39 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 16:49:34; punkman: lol http://imgur.com/ost0xs5
14:39 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:00:47; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126958 << it won't work, because no one has, yet, a fully static build. see logs.
14:39 ben_vulpes fluffypony: what d'yall call it?
14:40 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's called rucola when i had it in my salmon sandwiches at that cafe
14:40 ben_vulpes mhm
14:40 mircea_popescu pretty much called rucola throughout europe, except for france.
14:41 ben_vulpes this is true in sa as well?
14:41 mircea_popescu well yes
14:41 mircea_popescu thing's latin name's eruca.
14:41 mircea_popescu (italian fashion, somehow teh usians got crazy over it at some point. like a self-flagellation tiramisu)
14:42 ben_vulpes self-flagellation? rucola's delicious!
14:42 williamdunne mircea_popescu: jurov: Yeah I'll redraw the whole image and make it SVG
14:43 mircea_popescu but it's bitter/
14:43 mircea_popescu williamdunne you drew that ?
14:43 williamdunne Nope
14:43 williamdunne Its from Iron Giant
14:43 davout mircea_popescu: "my salmon sandwiches at that cafe" <<< and i'm the hipster?!
14:43 williamdunne But I will draw it
14:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53733 @ 0.00026476 = 14.2263 BTC [+] {2}
14:43 jurov if rucola's bitter, then it's stale
14:44 mircea_popescu davout hey, not my fault they know how to make a salmon and parmezan sammich.
14:44 ben_vulpes <williamdunne> mircea_popescu: jurov: Yeah I'll redraw the whole image and make it SVG << you know you don't *have* to do everything he says
14:44 * mircea_popescu has kicked ben_vulpes for treason and undermining the national economy
14:44 williamdunne ben_vulpes: It was already intended, so I could hide some lego in the image
14:44 ben_vulpes at a certain point it'll turn into a game "hey williamdunne this is great but it's not going to fly without a photo of you with a shoe on your head"
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14:44 jurov yeah williamdunne is lost caouse,like, i have to explain to him i'm trolling him.
14:45 jurov did you get the steg joke at last?
14:45 mircea_popescu you make stag jokes ?
14:45 mircea_popescu jurov, i never!
14:45 ben_vulpes i think jurov has a crush
14:45 williamdunne I didn't tbh :/
14:46 fluffypony ben_vulpes: ROCKET
14:46 fluffypony I was like "bro it's a herb, it's rocket. come now."
14:46 mircea_popescu steganography is hiding messages inside images. and a crush is when a guy wants to put his wee wee in your... well...
14:46 fluffypony and they were like "SORRY SIR, THE HOBBY STORE IS DOWN THE ROAD"
14:46 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127206 >> obligatory >> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zjOwQ0RJY4s/T5k2O8UZ1AI/AAAAAAAACNg/koj4pYe6_YQ/s1600/Vermin_Supreme.png
14:46 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:44:48; ben_vulpes: at a certain point it'll turn into a game "hey williamdunne this is great but it's not going to fly without a photo of you with a shoe on your head"
14:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FXFXsm )
14:46 jurov yea, i was implying the image was so big cuz you have hidden sth there
14:46 williamdunne Ah
14:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform either that or http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nigerian-scammers.jpg
14:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FXG4Eg )
14:47 ben_vulpes "my name is vermin/my name is vermin/vermin supreme supreme supreme/and you can vote/for me (if you want to)"...
14:48 williamdunne mircea_popescu: I'm really curious as to what decisions led to that photo
14:48 ben_vulpes old counterscam lulz williamdunne
14:48 davout the "network-imposed oppression chart" is pretty misleading
14:49 mircea_popescu williamdunne nigeria was originally a booming oil economy, attracted a lot of people. then it went stale, and for a while throughout the 90s there was a large community of desperate, socially marginal young men, who took to playing internet con games. eventually there was some reaction in the shape of, "con the nigerians".
14:49 mircea_popescu that pic among others is the result.
14:49 davout sure, there are going to be problems for you if the transactions keep growing linearly like that, oh wait, it's a log scale, straight lines are actually exponentials
14:49 williamdunne ah, countering the 419
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14:49 williamdunne gotcha
14:50 mircea_popescu davout the amount of herd-herding that the usg has been putting into this is so incredibly useful because a) it really can't do anything but! b) it really does expose the tools.
14:51 mircea_popescu why the fuck do they think addressing themselves to a mathematically illiterate crowd is a valid avenue is entirely beyond my comprehension.
14:51 davout mircea_popescu: because everybody understands extrapolating with straight lines
14:51 mircea_popescu course, it's how that country is run, it's how the derps "in charge" got into office, it's the only thing they're tooled to do, and so to the man carrying a bad graph and some banal word tricks...
14:52 mircea_popescu davout everyone that can't be in bitcoin, yes.
14:52 davout yup
14:52 mircea_popescu maybe they imagine that their "rape earth sciences" program worked, and maybe they imagine it worked because it was persuasive,
14:52 mircea_popescu rather than because those people actually need their money.
14:52 davout not sure i follow the "rape earth sciences"
14:53 mircea_popescu "global warming".
14:53 mircea_popescu you know, where the usg actually gained the ability to make bad graphs
14:53 danielpbarron re: vermin supreme, I met the guy -> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bre5M-MIMAEVoHf.jpg
14:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KykuFs )
14:53 ben_vulpes "earth rape sciences"
14:53 mircea_popescu before that it was just linguistic tricks.
14:53 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: AWESOME
14:53 mircea_popescu if you care about anthropology, it's a great thing to watch, how the beast acquires skills. that was the major breakthrough there.
14:54 mircea_popescu even before-r than that, in the 80s, all the left had was "accuse the other of bad things loudly and repeatedly. just that".
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14:54 mircea_popescu it progressed slightly from that, to word redefinitions in the 90s, and so on.
14:54 mircea_popescu /end crash course.
14:54 ben_vulpes i think earth rape sciences are great! they're expensive and produce absolutely nothing.
14:54 mircea_popescu woot danielpbarron should be on your blog!
14:54 hanbot danielpbarron: wtf is a "porcupine freedom festival"?!
14:55 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you're familiar with the supreme vermin?
14:55 mircea_popescu yes.
14:55 davout interesting
14:55 trinque http://porcfest.com/ << says teh googles
14:55 assbot PorcFest - The 12th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival PorcFest ... ( http://bit.ly/1KykSUr )
14:55 mircea_popescu hanbot something to do with cascadia!
14:56 trinque actually "free state project" in New Hampshire
14:56 ben_vulpes i need an emoji for when i want to raise an eyebrow at you mircea_popescu
14:56 trinque the idea was you pack the state with enough gun-toting libertarians and things get better-ish
14:56 mircea_popescu :D
14:56 mircea_popescu meanwhile, have a gifoji for the word "fuck". http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c08fc20b88baf11e2554f1a4a94d346/tumblr_myakvhGPdA1s9nnudo1_400.gif
14:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kyl3z6 )
14:57 hanbot oic. i was kinda hoping for porcupine interpretive dance or smthg ;/
14:58 trinque danielpbarron: are you in NH?
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14:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126996 << you must live in a world very different than mine, where time's not linear or something.
14:59 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:03:44; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126936 << one of the nice things about having the source, regardless of how idiotic the dev process which produced it, is cutting away the crud. which you can do with coreboot, just as with bitcoind etc.
14:59 mircea_popescu i'm not about to give anything stupid the time of day in any sense, except perhaps to point and laugh at it if it's stupid enough.
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15:00 hanbot mircea_popescu is that the philosophy you apply to rewriting poems etc?
15:00 mircea_popescu yes, actually.
15:01 mircea_popescu auden wasn't bad, just not good enough. runcible doom wasn't bad, just not good enough
15:03 mircea_popescu "Itย’s hard to think of another movie since then thatย’s been so quotable, so memorable, so widely watched, and has even aged as well as it has." << except star wars, star trek, most of manga...
15:03 mircea_popescu weirdo geeks be weirdo.
15:11 mircea_popescu "TV propogandist and etatist shill John Oliver"
15:11 mircea_popescu not bad. popogandist!
15:11 mircea_popescu like a sort of nonviolence proponent that takes it up the pooper.
15:12 jurov http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR davout, no liquidity since yest
15:13 mircea_popescu jurov i see a trickle ?
15:13 davout ah, i'll need to check on that
15:13 jurov there were orders of 400 or so before
15:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127003 << there is going to be, eventually, yes. from us. in the usual manner.
15:14 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:09:03; asciilifeform: decimation: i'd consider doing this, but doubt there is any serious demand
15:16 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127013 << works on his machine.
15:16 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:10:50; asciilifeform: several years ago, i bought the arm chipset chromebook and tried in vain, for ages, to install gentoo on it
15:17 williamdunne jurov: The SVG is 900kb, lol
15:18 davout jurov: blergh, my bot is apparently stuck, doesn't feel like starting up, i'll need to access the physical machine, which will happen in the next 24h
15:18 jurov wow. you're running mpex bot directly on the iron?
15:19 davout jurov: OS's are for hipsters
15:19 Azelphur (07:31:47) mircea_popescu: !rate azelphur 1 Not seen for a while now.
15:19 Azelphur mircea_popescu: missing me? :P
15:19 mircea_popescu somewhat lol. how goes ?
15:19 mircea_popescu jurov he takes the "rails" bit literally.
15:19 Azelphur Good, buried in work mostly, still working for Ragnar :)
15:19 davout jurov: actually, for some reason it doesn't like being run in a screen session
15:20 ben_vulpes pahaibgroqeuthg89pqu34ini3q4uhlte
15:20 jurov using gpg 2.x perchance?
15:20 Azelphur Actually working on electrum atm that said, it hates me because I'm British so I'm having to patch it
15:20 ben_vulpes screen session for mpex bot
15:20 ben_vulpes my tiny brain is blowed
15:21 mircea_popescu Azelphur aha. well, it's an activity thing.
15:21 davout jurov: no
15:21 Azelphur mircea_popescu: yea, I'm not that active in this channel any more since I don't really hold any assets beyond bitcoin itself
15:21 davout ben_vulpes: wai
15:21 jurov yea, i use tmux likewise
15:22 davout and, isn't it "blown" ? :D
15:22 ben_vulpes i mean i don't know anything about keeping software up but like...runit? or something?
15:22 jurov and gpg2 does not like when /dev/$stdin is not owned by current user
15:22 jurov ben_vulpes: what would you do with passphrase?
15:22 ben_vulpes or is this people trying to imitate the lispy "jack into running proc" thing with tmux/screen/mosh etc
15:23 ben_vulpes jurov: aha
15:23 * ben_vulpes goes for a walk
15:23 davout ben_vulpes: yeah i guess i should, it just doesn't fail often enough for me to care
15:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127045 << liek hell it doesn't.
15:36 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:22:40; asciilifeform: as for the free world, it has -not one chip fab- to its name
15:36 mircea_popescu looky, just because we're temporarily tolerating the kulaks means nothing. this is like saying the soviets had no factories to its name, 1915.
15:36 mircea_popescu according to themselves, cca 1935, yes, they did.
15:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127054 << no they don't. nobody, including the chinese, including putin, has any fucking idea what this even is, because they lack both the intellectual sophistication to comprehend what matters in the world and go seek the signs, and the power to actually have good advisors that do.
15:39 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:27:12; asciilifeform: they do
15:39 mircea_popescu the pretend-sovereigns are really not that good. that's all.
15:43 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127058 << the funniest thing in this line to me is, argentina, which is way up there in the top of "ra ra ra patria si buitres no, ra ra ra" sovereignity derpage. here's where i laughed at them for using windows, and them HATING ME FOR IT!!11 http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2g00cw/views_from_argentina_pe_trilema_un_blog_de_mircea/
15:43 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:28:51; asciilifeform: hence why ru missile controllers are built using ancient soviet arch, yes, but the fab is winblows-controlled and the design turns from circuit to mask also in winblows
15:43 assbot Views from Argentina pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. : argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/1zQKXOe )
15:43 mircea_popescu it's very funny this, they would rather want "sovereignity on windows" than "independence from windows".
15:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127272 << but you are. when running closed-source idiot winblows-designed biosen which can't even embed kernel
15:47 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:59:40; mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give anything stupid the time of day in any sense, except perhaps to point and laugh at it if it's stupid enough.
15:48 asciilifeform the idiocy of cpp bitcoind is not an excuse to use 'liberty dollar' etc.
15:48 mircea_popescu myeah. this is true.
15:48 mircea_popescu i cope with it solipsistically, which is to say, "until it gets in my way it doesn't exist. once it does, ima burn it"
15:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127075 << let us examine this claim. it is a claim worth examining.
15:49 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:35:26; asciilifeform: just the 'palace economy' you inherently get, from a chip fab costing what it costs
15:50 mircea_popescu so, what's a fab cost ? like 10bn or so, say ? less, but anyway. what's the current print rate ? 10x that A MONTH or so ? at least as far as documented (most monetary expansion happens in the dark anyway, it was recently rechristened as "big bank fraud" temporarily, but it is not nor ever was that - most monetary expansion is regulated by the banks)
15:50 mircea_popescu does this then mean that the us generates 10 more fabs each month ? no.
15:51 mircea_popescu does it mean they could ? no, it does not. the proposition is of the kind of "apple shares could buy all of russia". no, they COULD NOT.
15:51 mircea_popescu so then... what exactly does a fab cost ?
15:51 mircea_popescu and moreover, once la serenissima expands - A LITTLE (in comparative tersm) - what's to say it won't be able to afford this ?
15:51 mircea_popescu most of the cost is not the machinery.
15:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: very glad you asked. because this is 'teachable moment'
15:51 asciilifeform the 'fab costs $1B' is merely a -symptom- of the real problem
15:52 asciilifeform it costs $1B because there are six people who can honcho a fab
15:52 asciilifeform and so they can charge $B.
15:52 mircea_popescu what happens once they're all here ?
15:52 asciilifeform then ragnarok
15:52 mircea_popescu so then.
15:52 mircea_popescu it costs nothing - to us.
15:52 mircea_popescu it costs the world to them.
15:52 mircea_popescu the latter part is already implemented.
15:52 mircea_popescu plan proceeds as planned.
15:52 asciilifeform except they'll be here shortly after 'here' can even afford to feed the secretary catgurl.
15:52 mircea_popescu "looky, just because we're temporarily tolerating the kulaks means nothing. this is like saying the soviets had no factories to its name, 1915."
15:53 mircea_popescu this is not actually true. we could, she didn't want to.
15:53 mircea_popescu for that matter, she was saved from ending up in the street by someone here iirc.
15:53 asciilifeform ^ hm, i missed this
15:53 asciilifeform in log ?
15:53 mircea_popescu yeah at the time. she needed a house.
15:54 mircea_popescu moreover, this is entirely not related. things don't scale like this.
15:54 asciilifeform don't scale - down ?
15:54 asciilifeform or what
15:54 mircea_popescu "my wife couldn't even give birth to an eggplant, what hope is there she could make me an heir"
15:54 asciilifeform l0l
15:54 mircea_popescu cunts make kids not vegetables, and things don't scale like this.
15:56 asciilifeform anyway, 'they' aren't here because they are over in that other place where work - with however much friction and statal theft in the loop, sure - turns into food, houses, coke, etc. see also http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html
15:56 assbot Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1zQNuYF )
15:57 asciilifeform nobody's about to pour and slice a Si boule as volunteer.
15:58 asciilifeform not because it is difficult, but because the folks who could afford to - are far too busy with selecting the right cocaine and whores for their atomic dirigible voyage.
15:58 mircea_popescu how much coke do you snort ?
15:58 asciilifeform none
15:58 mircea_popescu then the fuck do you care ?
15:58 asciilifeform example.
15:58 mircea_popescu that system works for derp force the 4th. who is, in all terms, worthless.
15:58 asciilifeform i snort a good bit of food, house.
15:58 mircea_popescu exactly. perfect example.
15:59 asciilifeform i very much get the 'we don't want time-servers, clock-watchers' thing
16:00 asciilifeform but soldiers who can't eat - can't fight.
16:00 mircea_popescu the only thing of any import in there was the cocaine.
16:00 mircea_popescu any merely functional live thing will get its own food and shelter. it's the basis of life.
16:00 asciilifeform so far this is handled by ben_vulpes, yours truly, et al being 'stainless steel rats' who scrounge enough fiat in the secular world to run on
16:00 mircea_popescu a pika can do this
16:00 asciilifeform but this principle fails when you're talking about molten Si
16:00 asciilifeform or nukes, etc
16:01 mircea_popescu nukes are, in this discussion, theatrical props. we need them like i need a prince albert.
16:02 asciilifeform this again rides on the assumption that physical concentrations of people are strictly something that enemy does, and never us
16:02 asciilifeform even mongol horde, the ultimate 'towns are for lusers' gold standard - had physical concentration.
16:03 mircea_popescu only on teir net
16:03 asciilifeform if 'serene republic' ever had any costly physical plant whatsoever - then nukes.
16:03 mircea_popescu understand : the "physical concentration" of mongols was EXACTL:Y like what we do here.
16:03 mircea_popescu it was misperceived by their enemies as "actual", which is how their tactics worked.
16:04 mircea_popescu what happened once infantry charged ?
16:04 mircea_popescu their "physical" concentration proved to be virtual.
16:04 asciilifeform dispersed, sure.
16:04 asciilifeform now disperse a chip fab.
16:04 mircea_popescu working on it.
16:04 asciilifeform l0l
16:04 mircea_popescu (not me, you are.)
16:05 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127061
16:05 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:29:30; asciilifeform: which is why i suspect we'll be crafting discrete logic cpu again before this is all over.
16:05 asciilifeform it is interesting to contemplate what is the most expensive piece of technology involved in this circus
16:06 asciilifeform so far, i've reached a possibly surprising conclusion - it is -time-
16:06 mircea_popescu aha ?
16:06 asciilifeform i can, barely, afford, e.g., electron microscope. or the parts to build an ion beam machine. but what i cannot even remotely afford is the -time-.
16:06 mircea_popescu time is traditionalyl solved by adding people.
16:06 asciilifeform can't speak for other hardware folks here - e.g., ben_vulpes - but suspect they might answer same.
16:07 asciilifeform adding people works for some things, but, apparently, not everything.
16:07 mircea_popescu adfding people works provided i'm in charge of it.
16:07 mircea_popescu people have nfi how to add people.
16:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i will take your word for this. now unsheath your magic wand and summon a couple of devils to unfrag bitcoind
16:08 mircea_popescu which is unsurprising. for all the dire straights ee, or law, or anything else finds itself in, management is the worst.
16:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i told you people have nfi how it works :D
16:13 asciilifeform the ultimate failure is that adding people is guaranteed not to work for 'fits in head'.
16:13 asciilifeform this is 100% of my 'unified theory' of computing.
16:13 asciilifeform take, or leave - that is the explanation behind all of the retardation we know as 'computing'
16:14 asciilifeform aka the '9 women in parallel to make baby in 1 month' theorem.
16:15 * asciilifeform out to meatspace for a spell
16:24 jurov there was a fab "tesla piestany" in czechoslovakia able to make 8080 or uart clones
16:24 jurov got bought by motorola, then "on semiconductor"
16:24 jurov and in 2008 closed and moved to the US or wherever
16:28 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127250 < I remember watching some derpy 'global warming gonna kill us by 2000' documentary as a kid in the 80's. I remember feeling cognitive dissonance when I looked outside and saw that the weather was fine
16:28 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:54:17; mircea_popescu: even before-r than that, in the 80s, all the left had was "accuse the other of bad things loudly and repeatedly. just that".
16:41 trinque climates change; that's what they do
16:42 trinque makes me wonder whether the "climate change" meme exists because people wish humans had that much control over their destiny
16:43 mircea_popescu trinque more like, because the derps are by now persuaded that they do.
16:43 trinque yeah
16:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not that guaranteed. depends where and how the addition happens.
16:44 mircea_popescu the original unix " small program for small job" is exactly an attempt to turn the foregoing into an engineering rule of thumb
16:44 mircea_popescu and not a bad one atthat
16:45 decimation someone beggin' for a kick?
16:45 mircea_popescu ;;seen cryptogoon
16:45 gribble cryptogoon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 29 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <CryptoGoon> thnx
16:46 decimation re: 'fits in head' < in other words the 'mythical man month' more-or-less
16:48 decimation asciilifeform: perhaps part of your problem (re: make ur own fab) is that you are attempting to 'speak with a sword'
16:49 decimation so of course only your time will advance the mission
16:50 jurov no i understood it generally as "anyone's time"
16:51 decimation jurov: but if it were 'anyone's time' than the existing fabs would be kosher?
16:52 jurov but that "anyone" does not see any advantage switching their job for this
16:53 jurov heh, just got this tab open: http://betanews.com/2015/05/09/anonymous-tor-cloud-project-closes-down/
16:53 assbot Anonymous Tor Cloud project closes down ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0TsBy )
16:53 decimation jurov: yes indeed. extremely low cost electronic copying has created the tryanny of 'unintentional monopoly', where the first solution that 'works' gets copied to everyone and becomes the defacto standard
16:53 jurov same thing, basically
16:53 decimation it's difficult to think how about how to escape this even in principle
16:55 decimation in the tor cloud case, one cannot simply 'run an ec2 host' for nearly free like one can crib another's c code
16:55 jurov decimation: but you see money is not a problem here?
16:56 jurov there are admins who know how to do it. just.. not interested
16:56 jurov also, there are people who know how to put together 500nm fab, just.. not interested
16:56 decimation admins still need money to pay for bandwidth, servers
16:57 decimation yes, there are those who could re-create the fab design toolchain ascii mentioned, but I suppose it is the case that they couldn't be bothered
16:58 jurov 10 ec2 servers + bw can be had for $100/mo, perhaps.
16:59 decimation apparently they are too poor to pay that, and nobody else gave a fuck
16:59 jurov but this installation and patching etc. is what is priceless
16:59 decimation jurov: do you run the standard aws linux distro or do you have a fully custom image?
17:00 jurov tried both
17:00 decimation my understanding is that 'amazon linux' is basically rhel
17:00 jurov no it's centos
17:00 decimation yeah, same difference now, redhat acquired centos
17:01 jurov but debian/ubuntu/suse is supported in the same way
17:02 jurov i can see alf's point that generally, such things are done only as "bigger cock" exercise.
17:02 decimation what, the tor cloud?
17:03 jurov tor cloud, independent fabs, whatever
17:04 decimation yeah, there is something to that. it does seem like pure market competition will lead to monopoly, and it takes a sovereign to say 'do it this way or hang'
17:04 jurov by the way, mircea_popescu: is BISP okay with tor exit nodes?
17:05 decimation does this mean that pure capitalism tends to fragile oligarchy while government direction of the economy leads to a greater diversity of economic practices?
17:08 jurov if it was that simple
17:12 jurov http://trilema.com/2015/that-scary-thing/ << decimation refer to here, too
17:12 assbot That scary thing on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0UOfB )
17:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25326 @ 0.00025977 = 6.5789 BTC [-] {2}
17:19 decimation jurov: yes, that article is related. hopefully someone will figure out a model
17:28 mircea_popescu jurov yes.
17:29 mircea_popescu in other news, i just laid a claim on a SIZABLE deposit of wooly mushroom in eulora.
17:29 mircea_popescu this is the greatest mining find to date !
17:29 mircea_popescu needs like... 6 escherian trestleworks among other things to build the fucking mine.
17:29 mircea_popescu this game i'm the only one that can play is FUCKING GREAT
17:30 mircea_popescu got my pulse up at any rate.
17:35 jurov http://m.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340 rip windows
17:35 assbot Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0VWzK )
17:36 jurov "Moving to a situation in which Windows is a constantly updated service will break out of this cycle, and let Microsoft tinker more with the software to test new features and see how customers like them"
17:36 jurov of course
17:36 chetty <mircea_popescu> this game i'm the only one that can play is FUCKING GREAT//meanie
17:36 mircea_popescu lol
17:36 decimation right, the new model is 'pay us monthly fer yer warez'
17:37 trinque I see no way this permanent umbilical cord to redmond could go wrong.
17:39 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: LET ME PLAYYYY
17:40 mircea_popescu lol
17:40 mircea_popescu NO FIRST I MUST eAT ALL THE CAKES
17:40 ben_vulpes but leave caek plz
17:40 mircea_popescu srsly ben, final tests of finality, we're still finding some bugs but its pretty sparse.
17:41 mircea_popescu by now it's mostly "shit, another bug. no, wait a minute, this is the right thing."
17:41 mircea_popescu and there WILL be a juicy event to reward the patience and help people set up themselves. so.
17:42 * ben_vulpes revs crystalspace compiler
17:42 mircea_popescu bonus lulz : dulce the leche is a thing.
17:42 mircea_popescu i need 1, it's in the recipe for the wooly mushroom mine.
17:42 chetty good idea, we have changed the version so you will be needing a new cs
17:42 jurov should i prod the windows guy?
17:43 mircea_popescu jurov yeah.
17:44 mircea_popescu this shit costs 6 * 3161167 + 40 * 45110 + 45 * 1165 + 4 * 8824 + 1 * 8824 + 10 *1484 + 1 * 23877 = 20906664 satoshi to build.
17:44 mircea_popescu better be worth it.
17:44 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127269 << nah, I just went for the festival last year and I'm going again this year
17:44 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:58:41; trinque: danielpbarron: are you in NH?
17:48 ben_vulpes chetty: what's the new version?
17:48 ben_vulpes of cs, that is
17:48 trinque danielpbarron: cool. the free state project's somewhat interesting; I'm doubtful though that the whole 20k will move when that number's "reached"
17:49 trinque and of course, the thing will still be entirely within the influence of the federal govt still
17:49 chetty Rev: 39798
17:50 danielpbarron the project is pretty dumb and so are most of the people involved in it
17:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82800 @ 0.00025623 = 21.2158 BTC [-] {2}
17:51 danielpbarron i'm going for the poker mostly
17:51 jurov meanwhile, dreams of the hypobitcoinized: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35iry9/what_is_hindering_hyperbitcoinization_and_some/
17:51 assbot What is hindering hyperbitcoinization and some ideas for โ€œthe killer appโ€ : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RstUaU )
17:51 trinque danielpbarron: heh! that's a much better reason
17:51 danielpbarron there's a guy from seals that brings his own custom made table
17:51 trinque "Since I have neither money nor knowledge to build something myself"
17:51 trinque jurov: ^ that about covers it
17:53 trinque this reads like some stoner fuck trying to tell me his app ideas, lol
17:53 trinque "dude dude, all you have to do is write this app and we'll be rich"
17:54 jurov imma totally use that word for eulora review, "hyperbitconinized"
17:54 jurov damn, it's even impossible to type correctly
17:54 ben_vulpes "Warning: Can't synchronize with the repository (Couldn't open Subversion repository /home/crystal/scm/crystal: SubversionException: ("Expected FS format between '1' and '3'; found format '4'", 160043))."
17:55 trinque hnnnnnnnnggg
17:56 jurov lol, i realized literally 2 days ago i moved eulora off ssd to free some space
18:01 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127174 <<< you never get that sweet then peppery taste with store bought rocket, i doubt many people even know what it really tastes like
18:01 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:33:12; davout: i'm growing roquette, mind you
18:03 mircea_popescu trinque > jurov: ^ that about covers it << seriously, reddit, who cares.
18:06 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127231 <<< 419 eater in other words.. how do these kids not know about such things? :\
18:06 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:49:36; williamdunne: ah, countering the 419
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18:26 scoopbot_revived Why did blacks stop caring about respectability and acceptability in USistan ? Because there's none to be had. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/why-did-blacks-stop-caring-about-respectability-and-acceptability-in-usistan-because-theres-none-to-be-had/
18:27 chetty its worse than not caring, black kids are scroned for even trying in school, the get told they are acting too white
18:29 mircea_popescu not sure how actually widespread that is.
18:37 trinque I dunno that it goes beyond "this is what disorganized poverty looks like"
18:39 trinque plenty of useless white hoodlums in the south too
18:40 mats mircea_popescu: are you planning to keep the courts project open?
18:40 mircea_popescu not much longer, no.
18:40 mircea_popescu was kinda wanting to see if anyone wants to go through those, get an independent evaluation in.
18:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127112 << you can do this only if you're cool, which is to say if you have interesting shit to do.
18:41 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:48:14; decimation: but on the flip side you can print scrip and force your subjects to honor it
18:42 mircea_popescu just like you can be the life of the party and command everyone's attention for as long as you're being riveting ; just as long as you can tell women to suck your cock for just as long as it's a juicy cock to suck.
18:42 mircea_popescu just like the us was a thing back when that guy they shot had a mission
18:42 mircea_popescu be it conquer the south or the moon, but a mission, see. something interesting to do.
18:43 mircea_popescu you cant just print scrip because you got a scrip printer. that's not how it works.
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19:08 davout http://www.coinspeaker.com/2015/05/10/startup-21-inc-wants-to-put-bitcoin-miner-in-toaster-9190/ <<< lulzy
19:08 assbot Startup โ€™21 Incโ€™ Wants to Put Bitcoin Miner in Toaster | CoinSpeaker ... ( http://bit.ly/1JABoDe )
19:16 mircea_popescu toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
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19:17 mircea_popescu just make a power and internet hook=up so that each tile can in principle power/be powered by and connect/be connected by each of its 4 neighbours.
19:17 mircea_popescu then lay them out, and power/internet one side of the wall.
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19:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127133 <<< i think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons.
19:34 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:59:24; jurov: su was bad at that
19:35 mircea_popescu contrary to what is generally propagandized, there isn't a way to use them effectually on the field. the only effectual use for them is in mass media.
19:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103450 @ 0.00025972 = 26.868 BTC [+] {3}
19:49 mircea_popescu consider the following math : uranium reserves, about 6*10^9 kgs. about 0.1% of this is usable for the purpose. uranium molar mass is ~250 [grams/mol] which means ~ 6*10^9 * 1000/250 * 6*10^23 atoms in total. meanwhile energy output is ~200 MeV per event. your total ideal available energy is thus ~1.44 * 10^32 eV. meanwhile land surface is ~1.50 * 10 ^ 14 sqm. So you get a total of ~10*17 eV per square meter, or a litt
19:49 mircea_popescu le less than a Joule-cent. well done... who cares ?
19:49 mircea_popescu save a few acres, make yourself a cup of tea.
19:50 mircea_popescu (note that i didn't even bother with using the fact that 99.9% of uranium is not more fissile than lead, nor the fact that you will never actually manage to bust up ALL the atoms)
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20:08 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127123 << probably a good place to hook that old http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ or specifically
20:08 assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:55:59; asciilifeform: that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational'
20:08 assbot Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8EjCO )
20:08 mircea_popescu This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is
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20:08 mircea_popescu essentially the position of the Catholic church, hoping that it may teach people to read and write in such a way that they'll actually continue to take the "Holy Scripture" seriously. Why would they ? They won't, they don't, it's just not how that works.
20:08 mircea_popescu thatr's exactly what it is. the whole thing that made usg work makes us work. it'll make us great long after it buried it.
20:08 mircea_popescu exactly the us-su dynamic.
20:08 mircea_popescu sheeeit i should have linked http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.386 instead. gotta learn to use this great tool now!
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20:08 assbot Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8EopW )
20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126650 @ 0.00026541 = 33.6142 BTC [+] {3}
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20:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00025548 = 4.3176 BTC [-]
21:10 mircea_popescu williamdunne yo scoop's dead.
21:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195730 @ 0.00025533 = 49.9757 BTC [-] {2}
21:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101000 @ 0.00025397 = 25.651 BTC [-] {3}
21:24 scoopbot_revived I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/
21:26 ben_vulpes "people are no longer motivated by appeals to broader, more abstract values, that what motivates them are more narrow, survival-oriented approaches" << http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/resilience-is-the-new-black.html subconsciously, everyone knows what's coming
21:26 assbot Resilience is The New Black | naked capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1bITabO )
21:38 decimation re: uranium < http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_163.shtml < this guy says there are 4.5 bil tons of U in the oceans (4E12 kg)
21:38 assbot Ch 24 Page 163: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bIUgEq )
21:39 decimation so your estimate might be off by about 1000 if you include that. Also presumably most of the 'heavy hitter' bombs would use heavy water fusion secondaries
21:42 decimation or lithium deuteride rather
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55500 @ 0.00025551 = 14.1808 BTC [+]
21:58 ben_vulpes !up copumpkin
21:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65083 @ 0.00025173 = 16.3833 BTC [-] {3}
22:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142628 @ 0.00024686 = 35.2091 BTC [-] {6}
22:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56731 @ 0.00024326 = 13.8004 BTC [-]
22:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29316 @ 0.00024326 = 7.1314 BTC [-]
22:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10470 @ 0.00025551 = 2.6752 BTC [+]
22:21 williamdunne Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
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22:21 williamdunne Anyone want to ask him if he thinks we should implement X11ScryptDark++ too?
22:30 decimation hell add on google protocol buffers too
22:32 williamdunne Might as well port the DB to MongoDB while we're at it
22:39 mircea_popescu !up livegnik
22:40 mircea_popescu decimation yes, they are. gl taking it out.
22:40 mircea_popescu in the same sense there's a shitton of gold.
22:40 livegnik Thnx mircea_popescu . I'll be off in 30 minutes or so, and haven't been able to get sirius in here yet. Both pretty busy atm, but sure he'll join us some other time.
22:40 mircea_popescu williamdunne because clearly 1 minute blocks are so helpful to ltc it already tookover.
22:41 mircea_popescu wtf is with these idiots. don't they realise just how obvious their agenda becomes from all the failures ? "we gotta fuck up bitcoin. o, i know, let's make the blocks larger. wait, mp said no. i know, make the timing shorter. one way or another, must destroy the decentralisation!!11"
22:41 mircea_popescu livegnik np.
22:42 mircea_popescu #b-a is eternal.
22:42 livegnik :)
22:42 williamdunne Na thats 2.5 minute blocks, so this is like 2.5 litecoins. And there are double as many litecoins as there are bitcoins so this idea is worth what, 105,000,000 bitcoins?
22:42 livegnik Anything else I might be able to explain about Identifi? I remember that there were some more questions last time after I left.
22:43 mircea_popescu at least.
22:43 williamdunne I think I've been hearing about identifi recently, let me check I'm on about the right thing one sec
22:43 livegnik Sure thing.
22:44 livegnik http://identifi.org is our not-up-to-date website. The proto-type of what a front end *could* look like can be found on http://identi.fi/. The proto-type of the back-end can be found here: https://github.com/identifi/identifi
22:44 assbot Identifi - Address book with ratings ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2ay )
22:44 assbot Identifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2aP )
22:44 assbot identifi/identifi ยท GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2rj )
22:44 williamdunne Ah okay, not what I was hearing about. Still interested tho so give me a sec to read-up again on it
22:44 livegnik Sure thing.
22:44 mircea_popescu decimation anyway, the important point in all of that is the natural insolation on ground is to the degree of 20 MJ/day.
22:45 livegnik williamdunne: Here's a human readable (very summarized) version of what it does: http://unbit.nl/2014/09/16/martti-malmi-on-bitcoin-and-identifi/
22:45 assbot Unbit.nl - Martti Malmi on Bitcoin & Identifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGraH8 )
22:45 livegnik We don't have a whitepaper yet. Working on it though. It would be much easier to grasp the concept with some details on the data format, database design, network topology, etc.
22:46 williamdunne WhitePapers are overrated
22:46 williamdunne Can I have a link to your profile, I wanna see the rating system?
22:47 mircea_popescu livegnik you'd be much better served getting in the wot than writing white papers. experimentally, nobody reads thoise.
22:47 mircea_popescu especially if they're a pdf.
22:48 williamdunne livegnik: Looks ok I guess, rating system and account system seems pretty 'tarded atm
22:48 livegnik williamdunne: Sure. Just don't stare at the front-end too much, it's only to give you an idea. The real magic happens on the back-end; the daemon.
22:48 livegnik http://identi.fi/id/url/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Ftimoowpie
22:48 assbot Identifi - Tim Pastoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJ1F6K )
22:49 williamdunne Take it back
22:49 livegnik mircea_popescu: I agree. I'm no academic nor coder, so I'm not even gonna give it a shot.
22:49 williamdunne It isn't so tarded, just the search function
22:49 livegnik Yeah, it's an early alpha.
22:49 livegnik It's nothing special, if you'd ask me.
22:50 williamdunne The self-rate things are a bit odd
22:50 livegnik You can do RPC calls on the back-end, basically how you can do it with bitcoind
22:50 williamdunne i.e IS_OVER_18 YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie
22:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJ1N6h )
22:50 williamdunne IS_OVER_18 YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie
22:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGsb27 )
22:50 williamdunne IS_NL_RESIDENT YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie
22:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGseuP )
22:51 livegnik The self-rate thing is verifying identifiers (which are called "connections" there). By verifying an identifier you add said identity + that identifier to your WoT.
22:51 livegnik That's just an example.
22:51 livegnik I could add an identifier like that and get a verifaction from my bank and/or social network that way.
22:51 williamdunne Mmm adding them as rates seems awkward, should be separate. Also gives a false sense of security
22:52 livegnik They're not the rates.
22:52 livegnik Identifiers are what construct the identity. The ratings are apart from that.
22:52 williamdunne Shows up on the received part either way
22:53 livegnik You can only up/down-vote the identifiers themselves. Next, you can say anything about them under ratings.
22:53 livegnik So there's the ID part and the reputation part.
22:54 mircea_popescu the entire thing would drastically benefit from getting the people involved here. it has fundamental problems which are apparently difficult to grasp. whatever they may think they're doing with their time that's a better use, isn't.
22:55 williamdunne Feels a bit awkward. I like the idea but it feels like crap
22:56 livegnik I like the analogy of an electronic Rolodex. It's dissimilar to the extent that it wasn't shared as easily among all trusted parties.
22:56 livegnik The system doesn't only consist of the identities within the digital Rolodex, but also of all the claims that have been made about them,
22:56 livegnik by any other (1st to infinite degree) party at any time. This information should at least make it much easier for any party to decide for themselves what is best for them.
22:57 livegnik williamdunne: that's why I said not to stare at identi.fi too much, it's basically meant for demo-purposes, to explain the back-end.
22:58 livegnik mircea_popescu: Not sure what you're trying to point there for sure, but one of the reasons I've joined this channel is because there are probably a few people who have thought extensively about this topic.
22:59 mircea_popescu "I agree. I'm no academic nor coder" << basically, you're trying to sell something. the problem is that the thing you're trying to sell has problems. send the engineers that made it instead.
22:59 livegnik As long as it doesn't go in-depth concerning the technicals, a good salesman should at least be able to discuss the concept, right?
23:00 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah, apparently 'our' knowledge of uranium reserves are quite limited. people haven't been trying to mine uranium for thousands of years (like gold)
23:00 mircea_popescu depends with whom.
23:00 livegnik If something goes in-depth too far for me, I'll definitely let you know to get in touch with sirius about it.
23:01 livegnik You can join #identifi to get in touch with sirius directly.
23:03 livegnik So, as a salesman, I might sell it as supernode Rollodex, relaying information among trusted parties.
23:04 mircea_popescu !gettrust sirius
23:04 assbot sirius is not registered in WoT.
23:04 livegnik I prefer evangelist though. I'm way too stoked about our product to be a regular salesguy.
23:04 * mircea_popescu shrugs.
23:05 decimation mircea_popescu: incidentally, uranium fission is the only non-mass-polluting technology that can deliver first world level energy to the entire population for a thousand years
23:05 mircea_popescu it is pretty polluting.
23:05 decimation every nuclear bomb made represents a massive waste of potential energy production
23:06 decimation how? heavy metals in a water bath?
23:06 mircea_popescu not really, unless it's actually fired, the stuff can be reclaimed (and has, on a grand scale - that's what START is really all about)
23:06 mircea_popescu decimation most of them use the thin walled sphere with boron chain fillings. they can be safely dismantled.
23:06 decimation well, sure but it would have been more efficient to use it at lower enrichment levels in the first place
23:07 mircea_popescu eh, waste is what life's all about.
23:08 decimation "At 25 ml per
23:08 decimation year, a lifetime?s worth of high-level nuclear waste would amount to less
23:08 decimation than 2 litres. Even when we multiply by 60 million people, the lifetime vol-
23:08 decimation ume of nuclear waste doesn?t sound unmanageable: 105 000 cubic metres.
23:08 decimation That?s the same volume as 35 olympic swimming pools. "
23:08 decimation shit my new irc client doesn't rate limit my pastes :(
23:09 decimation http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_170.shtml
23:09 assbot Ch 24 Page 170: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGviHl )
23:09 mircea_popescu 60 mn ? what's wrong with 60bn ?
23:09 mircea_popescu and yes, a cubic kilometer of very poisonous stuff sounds pretty unmanageable./
23:09 decimation well, he was writing about the uk
23:11 decimation "Compare this 25 ml per year per person of high-level nuclear waste with the other traditional forms of waste we currently dump: municipal waste 517 kg per year per person; hazardous waste 83 kg per year per year"
23:11 mircea_popescu "hazardous waste" is old monitors.
23:11 bitstein http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 << the link to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35hpkt/please_remind_me_once_again_why_we_cant_decrease/cr4wk0g
23:11 assbot Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
23:12 assbot gavinandresen comments on Please remind me once again why we can't decrease the time interval between blocks instead of increasing their size ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGvUww )
23:12 mircea_popescu the only way it'll kill you is by falling on your head.
23:12 mircea_popescu there's a very simple way to decrease interval between blocks : gavin can just go buy some miners and stfu.
23:13 mircea_popescu if the need is there, the fix is obvious. pay more per btc, so miners get more mining done, so more txn get in per day.
23:13 mircea_popescu if the need isn't there... i guess go derp on reddit about things of great interest and matters of great import.
23:18 mod6 here's today's update on v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/1TX25HH.txt
23:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGxcrj )
23:20 decimation the alternative to nuclear fission is to emit radiation via coal burning
23:24 mircea_popescu how does that work ?
23:24 mircea_popescu lead, mercury etc are the problem, not radiation
23:25 decimation "Uranium and thorium have concentrations of roughly 1 ppm and
23:25 decimation 2 ppm respectively in coal."
23:26 decimation plus I like to eat bluefin tuna, and coal emissions are ruining it
23:26 mircea_popescu eh, welfare is ruining it.
23:26 decimation http://www.epa.gov/radiation/tenorm/coalandcoalash.html
23:26 assbot Coal Ash | Radiation Protection | US EPA ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGyNgO )
23:26 mircea_popescu if the peons didn't have the printing folk to give them free money, they wouldn't afford bluefin tuna.
23:27 decimation well, that's no reason to piss mercury into the ocean
23:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00024942 = 10.6876 BTC [-]
23:30 mircea_popescu looky, mercury is heavy. it'll go to the bottom.
23:31 mircea_popescu this happens naturally as well. it's what it does.
23:33 decimation so to be clear, it's your position that it's better w.r.t. to "pollution" for electricity to come from coal vice nuclear fission?
23:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00024326 = 5.8869 BTC [-]
23:35 mircea_popescu better requires some criteria.
23:36 decimation well, my favorite criteria are "pollution sits in a pool" rather than "pollution is spammed over planet's surface"
23:40 mircea_popescu i suspect coal is much clenaner then.
23:41 mircea_popescu take a look at fukishima to understand this problem.
23:41 decimation uranium is heavy; it'll go to the bottom.
23:41 mircea_popescu also, consider that a comparison of new nuclear with old coal is pretty stupid. you're not advertising deployument of 1970s soviet nuclear plants. consequently, you don't get to compare to 1950s coal plants.
23:42 mircea_popescu the modern liquefied coal stuff is actually pretty clean
23:43 mircea_popescu in unrelated tinfoil hat fodder : i dunno if anyone remembers the one time world came closest to nuclear war (1983), or the fate of kal-007. the thing is tho, the russians at the time claimed the bad flightpath was deliberate provocation, and that the cia had warned nixon not to go with that flight.
23:44 mircea_popescu this seemed pretty ridiculous at the time, and perhaps it is. or perhaps it's part of a playbook, and the same strategy was later used to try and "turn public opinion" in the ukraine.
23:47 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127561 << didn't work, and I was able to re-create my own not-working selection -> http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.22
23:47 assbot Logged on 11-05-2015 00:08:52; mircea_popescu: sheeeit i should have linked http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.386 instead. gotta learn to use this great tool now!
23:47 assbot Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGCbIz )
23:48 mircea_popescu danielpbarron how did it not work ?
23:49 danielpbarron doesn't jump down to that part of the page and doesn't select the text
23:49 danielpbarron it works for you?
23:49 mircea_popescu yup, just tried.
23:49 danielpbarron i can produce other urls that do work
23:49 mircea_popescu and no js errors pop up.
23:50 danielpbarron browser bug on my end then i guess
23:51 danielpbarron 151.0 makes it start the selection at the "xii" footnote link
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