| 00:02 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/sCTDPpQ2 |
| 00:02 |
assbot |
config-3.18.5-kirkwood-tld-1 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9m3H6 ) |
| 00:02 |
nubbins` |
latest |
| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: he has a patch. |
| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
that's the boojum, i think |
| 00:04 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/g0Ra5XTa |
| 00:04 |
assbot |
linux-3.18.5-kirkwood-tld-1.patch - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9mhOu ) |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
guess what, i built a kernel |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
that boot |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
s |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
... and promptly panics |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
(because no root fs) |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
but hey, works |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
using -vanilla buildroot- |
| 00:05 |
nubbins` |
oh cool |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
make sheevaplug_defconfig |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
make |
| 00:05 |
nubbins` |
see line 615 in above |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
that's it |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
didn't use any of the weirdo crap from above link |
| 00:06 |
nubbins` |
woo! |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
tomorrow evening i'll 1) flash in the rootfs to get something like a working box |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
2) mercilessly root out the idiot crud that gets rolled in by default |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
(sound cards, etc) |
| 00:07 |
nubbins` |
amazing |
| 00:07 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 00:07 |
nubbins` |
THAT'S THE SPIRIT |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: habemus kernelam |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey! |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
who won ? |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
sheeva ? |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
me. |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
so this is a sheevaplug brew of what, netbsd ? |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
nono |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
linux 3.18 |
| 00:10 |
nubbins` |
so you didn't need anything from that patch file? |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
apparently not |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
the interesting parts were rolled in some time ago in mainline, apparently |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
just as i suspected |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
7089334f25a0e1d8b09db96da4d61fbdf7ea7aca258fdd20012f85be976c39e63f5bc29842b25f0dc18a8ccdc74ad1e7c4ed7af56faa39b3917f76e082077589 turdel.gz |
| 00:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!up pete_dushenski |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel.gz |
| 00:12 |
nubbins` |
actually, looking at the pogoplug-related entries in that patch, it's all trivial stuff |
| 00:12 |
nubbins` |
front LEDs etc |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: not entirely |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: there are some memory-mapped i/o iirc |
| 00:13 |
asciilifeform |
anyway whoever wants can boot up turdel using my tftp instructions (or by actually flashing it in) and see that it did happen. |
| 00:13 |
asciilifeform |
(it croaks, having no meaningful rootfs, but that's for tomorrow) |
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| 00:13 |
nubbins` |
oh, yeah, i see em |
| 00:13 |
nubbins` |
eject button too! |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: netbsd i had running weeks and weeks ago. but it sucks for reasons already described in log |
| 00:14 |
pete_dushenski |
thx bb! |
| 00:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: today by popular demand i went on a little deathmarch and got a source-built traditional linux going on it. |
| 00:15 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
| 00:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.00022407 = 3.6918 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:15 |
* |
mircea_popescu looks for a virgin or 40 |
| 00:15 |
asciilifeform |
this is amply enough to work from |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
and can be trimmed into some approximation of good shape. |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
so then, this + 32bit bitcoind and we're done. |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
(in the sense of having a miserable memory leaking low cost node) |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 00:16 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 00:16 |
nubbins` |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069353 |
| 00:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 01:20:19; mod6: alright, new droplet created for x32 deb6 testing. |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
the one ingredient that is still needed, that i have not attempted at all, is the formatter |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
linux doesn't come with one ?! |
| 00:17 |
nubbins` |
fdisk in crontab to be safe |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
that is, which detects 1) have we a disk plugged in? 2) if so, has it a blockchain? 3) if plugged in, no blockchain - format disk |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
4) start bitcoind (in reset death loop) |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
it is also of great importance to blink the correct colour led! |
| 00:18 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
yah! |
| 00:18 |
asciilifeform |
or else how is operator to know what becomes of his node |
| 00:18 |
asciilifeform |
maybe disk is dead |
| 00:18 |
asciilifeform |
maybe net connection dead |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
have the eject button send us a message on irc or something |
| 00:18 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: pogo4 has no buttons |
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| 00:19 |
nubbins` |
ah, i thought the purple logo'd one did |
| 00:21 |
trinque |
up to the operator to deploy updates later? |
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| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
what updates. |
| 00:21 |
trinque |
0.5.3.1 is perfect? |
| 00:21 |
BingoBoingo |
<trinque> 0.5.3.1 is perfect? << C doesn't do perfect |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
if you must, signed updates |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
but i wasn't even thinking of this. |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
anyway since when do i have to decide this |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
therealbitcoin chairmen, awaken |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, mod6 ? |
| 00:23 |
trinque |
bet you could tell it about updates just like deedbot |
| 00:23 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform: my pogo has an eject button :S |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: does it actually press? |
| 00:24 |
nubbins` |
... |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
also whoever it was who marvelled (l0l) at pogo being a 32bit arm - 64bit is lunacy on a box with 128m of ram and no swap |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
it just makes pointers take up 2x the space |
| 00:24 |
nubbins` |
yes |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
and bloats exe by ~2 factor |
| 00:25 |
nubbins` |
granted, it doesn't *do* anything atm |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
the designer made an entirely rational choice |
| 00:25 |
nubbins` |
but it's at least a real button |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: would you care to post a photo of the unit ? |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: because it is quite clearly different from mine |
| 00:27 |
ben_vulpes |
hm? |
| 00:27 |
* |
ben_vulpes just cracked the craptop |
| 00:27 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: another ingredient, since you were making a list, is the seed list |
| 00:27 |
nubbins` |
http://mhassan.me/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/pogoplug_v4_top_removed1.jpg |
| 00:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1C9p8He ) |
| 00:27 |
nubbins` |
^ that's yours, not mine |
| 00:27 |
nubbins` |
next to eth |
| 00:27 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: recall how it has a gigantic seedlist consisting of mostly corpses, compiled in ? |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: -that- button |
| 00:28 |
nubbins` |
:D |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
i have it too |
| 00:28 |
nubbins` |
i had to double check |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
thought yours might have had a button under the lamp |
| 00:28 |
nubbins` |
no. pressed it like 5x to make sure |
| 00:28 |
nubbins` |
i wish :/ |
| 00:28 |
nubbins` |
instead you need a toothpick |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
if ben_vulpes and mod6 decide that we must have an updater (signed, naturally) i suggest that the button be used to trigger it |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
loading from attached storage of course |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
(not the net) |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
at the very minimum, development units ought to have it |
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| 00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
for pogos? |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: long thread re: pogo. |
| 00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
no shit. |
| 00:30 |
nubbins` |
if we end up jamming the os onto the nand, you could have it scan SD cards on insert for patches |
| 00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
since when is the pogo my project? |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: tomorrow rootfs in nand |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
the kernel i just posted, sees the nand. |
| 00:30 |
* |
nubbins` cheers |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: in as far as it may end up the first battlefield deployment of 0.5.3.x - aha. |
| 00:31 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron's project if anyone's 8) |
| 00:32 |
nubbins` |
well. alf's if anyone's ! |
| 00:32 |
ben_vulpes |
^ |
| 00:32 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah, that. |
| 00:32 |
asciilifeform |
lol i cleaned a cm of dust off my pogo today. |
| 00:32 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Dannyl |
| 00:32 |
ben_vulpes |
a cm?! |
| 00:32 |
nubbins` |
far be it from me to assume ;D |
| 00:32 |
ben_vulpes |
dc air must be miserable |
| 00:32 |
asciilifeform |
nah just me |
| 00:32 |
nubbins` |
who's got pogos anyway |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
i presently am sitting on no fewer than 12. |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
and i think mod6 had a bunch |
| 00:33 |
nubbins` |
i'll have 3 at some point this week |
| 00:33 |
ben_vulpes |
that's a lot of dust... |
| 00:33 |
nubbins` |
dpb has at least one |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu iirc had some |
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| 00:33 |
ben_vulpes |
;) |
| 00:33 |
nubbins` |
hundreds! |
| 00:34 |
asciilifeform |
and possibly punkman |
| 00:34 |
nubbins` |
hmm yes |
| 00:34 |
asciilifeform |
i'm almost beginning to not-regret picking that machine |
| 00:34 |
asciilifeform |
having finally booted a reasonable linux |
| 00:34 |
ben_vulpes |
hah |
| 00:34 |
nubbins` |
i've got some nebulous plans to kit-ify these & sell em |
| 00:34 |
ben_vulpes |
you like things? |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: didn't say 'like,' l0l |
| 00:35 |
ben_vulpes |
couldn't resist, boss |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins` do you think you could do a print of some kind over the lid? |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
or other parts of chassis |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
i was considering lasering mine |
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| 00:35 |
nubbins` |
some sort of vinyl sticker would be easiest/cheapest |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
eh chinese |
| 00:36 |
nubbins` |
you wouldn't even need to apply the sticker yourself, people like doing that stuff |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
stickers are so 10 yrs ago when we all had that gnu with horns on laptops |
| 00:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Does anyone have a python script for computing the odds of adult male of supplied height and weight versus (Y) pack of coyotes if armed with a tack hammer? |
| 00:36 |
nubbins` |
you'd want solvent inks to silkscreen on that, and yuck |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins` laser then. |
| 00:37 |
nubbins` |
it's too bad the name is already stamped into the top |
| 00:37 |
nubbins` |
you could laser a byline or smth tho |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
nothing a 40w laser can't fix |
| 00:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7399 @ 0.00021258 = 1.5729 BTC [-] |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
now result might be a heap of slag where the logo was |
| 00:37 |
nubbins` |
anyone here have a lead on custom injection-molded plastics? |
| |
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| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
but ought to try |
| 00:37 |
nubbins` |
8D |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: if you think pcb is expensive, try injection-molded anything. |
| 00:38 |
nubbins` |
recall fake bomb detector story, the one thing the guy always brought when he ran was the tooling |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
l0l aha |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
ok, quick likbez on 'buildroot' |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, others : |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
'buildroot' is this mega-automaton for building cross-compiled os for routers and the like |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
it builds, in this order 1) toolchain (using local gcc) for target cpu - gcc and binutils |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
2) kernel |
| 00:40 |
mod6 |
<+asciilifeform> and i think mod6 had a bunch << naw, don't even own one yet. |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
3) userland (rootfs image for stuffing wherever, nand in our case) |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
the thing is mega-configurable and very baroque |
| 00:41 |
ben_vulpes |
<nubbins`> ben_vulpes mod6 mircea_popescu and other interested parties: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << neat |
| 00:41 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1C9qF0b ) |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
my notion, as of a month plus ago, was to bake the entire orchestra into a buildroot |
| 00:41 |
trinque |
my pogo's promised to me by the 3rd |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
that is, the same crosscompiler it builds, that builds kernel etc. will also build bitcoind and its deps |
| 00:42 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes block=191668 ! |
| 00:42 |
asciilifeform |
the result ought to be a self-contained bag of shit that, when executed on any reasonable unix, eventually churns out a set of images suitable for flashing to a 'pogo'. |
| 00:42 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, this means we freeze gcc, ulibc, etc. in time. |
| 00:42 |
ben_vulpes |
<nubbins`> mod6 i should stress that *none* of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference << see, reference y'all |
| 00:42 |
nubbins` |
S-CBOS |
| 00:42 |
nubbins` |
i like it |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
it pins the protocol |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
there we go |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes gets. |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
it's a subtle rapier, not a thing for use in anger. |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
leastaways no time soon. |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
little secret re: 'in anger' - ada doesn't need an os... |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
(got its own scheduler, aha) |
| 00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
k well write a bitcoind then shiva |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
i intend to |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
but this wasn't a secret, was it |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
but it will be some time before anyone is faced with question of what to do with my ver. |
| 00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
don't ask me what everyone doesn't know |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
i will admit that, with regards to the reference version (let's call it 'traditional') i am especially interested in a tandem-operable variant |
| 00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
tandem-operable? |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
that is, one which (or, even better, its subcomponents) can be ran in lockstep with another nominally-equivalent program |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: imagine you're mircea_popescu |
| 00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
i do this regularly, but in what scenario today? |
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| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: and one of the folks here (not guaranteed that it'll be me) writes a spiffy 'ab initio' bitcoind |
| 00:47 |
trinque |
right, you'll want to check them against each other before making the leap |
| 00:47 |
trinque |
if you ever actually leap |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: because of the difficulty, and ultimately the very real practical limits of programmatic proof, tandem is likely our fate for many years. |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
or at least the fate of truly serious folks with much to lose |
| 00:48 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: will also be useful to out any fuckery of the phoundation client later down the chain |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
(i for one will happily jump with the parachute i packed for self. but my carcass isn't worth especially much) |
| 00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
i don't understand what's so special about 'tandem operable' |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: good question: |
| 00:49 |
nubbins` |
there's no POSIX standard for bitcoin |
| 00:49 |
nubbins` |
8) |
| 00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: you *built* a chute? |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: the implication is that various internals are accessible, and flow can be stopped |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: not literally |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: referring to a tradition in certain armies where men are expected to wrap own parachute |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
and sign it |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
before it is used |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
'i packed this. --mr grunt' |
| 00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
right. |
| 00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
gotcha. |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
then, if they find a pancake, there is no question of 'whodunit' |
| 00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else. << i think i found where this started |
| 00:51 |
asciilifeform |
(fwiw, my father informs me that this custom was unknown in his unit, and only expert was trusted with wrapping chutes) |
| 00:52 |
nubbins` |
whoever survived the first time they tried the signatures was deemed an expert and dispersed throughout the other units |
| 00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
hyuuu |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
the photo mats randomly posted today is, incidentally, a picturesque metaphor for what we're doing. |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1068467 |
| 00:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 19:20:12; mats: http://i.imgur.com/09FTJTl.jpg pictured: one partially disassembled hellfire missile |
| 00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ? << this actually raises the all-important question of priority list |
| 00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
ah hey check it out! |
| 00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
i get to strike #1 off the foundation todo list! |
| 00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
Goals: |
| 00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
1. Cut a build |
| 00:57 |
nubbins` |
woop |
| 00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: guess what #2 is |
| 00:58 |
nubbins` |
jam it on a pogo! |
| 00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
hey |
| 00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
you |
| 00:58 |
* |
nubbins` zips lips, raises hand |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`? |
| 00:59 |
nubbins` |
spoke outta turn! |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm calling on you lol |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
and no, it's not pogo |
| 01:02 |
* |
asciilifeform hasn't a clue |
| 01:02 |
nubbins` |
REGRESSION TESTING! |
| 01:02 |
ben_vulpes |
bastard block fix. |
| 01:02 |
nubbins` |
YEAH! |
| 01:02 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins` pre-release regression testing is pretty dumb-dumb right now |
| 01:02 |
ben_vulpes |
build |
| 01:02 |
nubbins` |
ha |
| 01:02 |
ben_vulpes |
sync with mainnet |
| 01:02 |
ben_vulpes |
send |
| 01:02 |
ben_vulpes |
well, send *to* |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
eh i know it isn't 'sexy' but don't forget the seed list. |
| 01:02 |
ben_vulpes |
then send *from* |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
the one that's in there now is unusable. |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: right hang on let me diddle this text for a second |
| 01:03 |
nubbins` |
we'll need more seeds |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
and did the dns seed snip ever get merged ? |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
no. |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
maybe? |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
aha so it's pointing straight at phoundation's dns |
| 01:03 |
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ben_vulpes checks turdolator |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
they can send the whole lot of us to dev/null |
| 01:03 |
nubbins` |
i don't think so |
| 01:04 |
nubbins` |
almost certainly not, no |
| 01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
anyone who runs without -connect is asking for it in the arse. |
| 01:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069706 << of course. |
| 01:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 04:21:10; trinque: up to the operator to deploy updates later? |
| 01:07 |
ben_vulpes |
kark its breeks lol |
| 01:07 |
ben_vulpes |
what does that even *mean* asciilifeform? |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069747 <forget it, user can load new brew like he loaded the original ois. |
| 01:08 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 04:29:57; asciilifeform: at the very minimum, development units ought to have it |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: actually he can't |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
that's my point. |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
serviceable 19 dollar units ? gtfo. |
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| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if 'humane' can open shell when that programmable button near the jack is pressed |
| 01:09 |
mircea_popescu |
once they make a 4gb unit for ~25 we'll think about it ? |
| 01:09 |
ben_vulpes |
http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list, attn asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, mod6, nubbins`, decimation, trinque et al |
| 01:09 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CX4Dkx ) |
| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
personally what i'd do is look for and verify foundation gpg sig on tarball on sd card when button pressed |
| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
and no other behaviour |
| 01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069773 << some crates, yes. |
| 01:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 04:33:41; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu iirc had some |
| 01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and now you gotta add gpg and debug it and srsly... |
| 01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
forget it, you want to upgrade get a new unit. |
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| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: gpg fits handily on the nand |
| 01:10 |
ben_vulpes |
heh i like that. |
| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if these were still made and we could parachute them around the world - that'd be one thing |
| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
but they aren't |
| 01:11 |
asciilifeform |
and we haven't so many. |
| 01:11 |
mircea_popescu |
so then we buy more. |
| 01:11 |
asciilifeform |
and getting physical objects from one place to another is still pretty hard. |
| 01:11 |
mircea_popescu |
no dude. you're trying to raise the engineering bill by 1000s of dollah to save pennies. |
| 01:11 |
nubbins` |
http://www.essexb2b.com/auction/auction/view/id/3195/ |
| 01:11 |
assbot |
1 Pallet of PogoPlug Personal Cloud, New Condition, 100 Units, Retail $2,100, LaVergne, TN, PLT186057 | Closes: Oct 16, 2014 12:00:00 PM PDT | Essex B2B Liquidations ... ( http://bit.ly/1CX4PQN ) |
| 01:11 |
mircea_popescu |
then you complain that no time and stuff. srsly. |
| 01:11 |
nubbins` |
$4ea! |
| 01:11 |
nubbins` |
shame |
| 01:12 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` can you store a pellet ? |
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| 01:12 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: rolling in gpg1 is 1000s ? |
| 01:12 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu not as easily as a box of tees 8) |
| 01:12 |
asciilifeform |
wrong pogo!!! |
| 01:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ah yeah not the right kind |
| 01:12 |
asciilifeform |
or wait |
| 01:13 |
mircea_popescu |
it's the no disk one innit ? |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
-may be- the right |
| 01:13 |
nubbins` |
looks like blue logo |
| 01:13 |
nubbins` |
no sata |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
with previous type of box |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
i see purple logo |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
but blue box |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
go figure |
| 01:13 |
nubbins` |
not sealed |
| 01:13 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 01:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069787 << handcarve it instead. |
| 01:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 04:35:44; asciilifeform: i was considering lasering mine |
| 01:14 |
nubbins` |
anyway auction was last oct |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
pictures on boxes suggest no sata |
| 01:15 |
asciilifeform |
(my boxes have an arrow pointing to the lid, 'removable and has sata') |
| 01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069800 << shenzen |
| 01:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 04:37:57; nubbins`: anyone here have a lead on custom injection-molded plastics? |
| 01:15 |
asciilifeform |
these - no |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if you have a favourite classical tarball of gpg, please consider sign and post it (with disclaimer similar to your collectible 0.5.3 tarball on listserv) |
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| 01:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not even just that. gotta make sure it correctly takes and verifies the sigs now. etc etc. |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
1liner |
| 01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, im redefinining my addictives list |
| 01:18 |
asciilifeform |
we already all hang from that particular parachute! |
| 01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not just opioidis and nubbins`, it's also overengineering |
| 01:18 |
asciilifeform |
if it is used in the exact form we are accustomed to - i see no issue with it |
| 01:18 |
nubbins` |
you can't get enough of me 8) |
| 01:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069841 << ahaha |
| 01:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 04:46:57; ben_vulpes: i do this regularly, but in what scenario today? |
| 01:19 |
nubbins` |
if you wanted to do the acrylic slab + posts thing like the bitseed or w/e node |
| 01:19 |
nubbins` |
you could put whatever lid on the pogo you wanted |
| 01:20 |
nubbins` |
ditch the case altogether |
| 01:20 |
nubbins` |
dat dust tho |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ...overengineering << 'Русские долго запрягают, но быстро едут.' << bismarck! |
| 01:20 |
nubbins` |
dat added cost |
| 01:20 |
nubbins` |
etc |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: case holds the heatsink |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
through mechanical pressure only |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
go and try to run without. |
| 01:23 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell brendafdez yo you know anyone renting bikes at not retarded tourist prices? |
| 01:23 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 01:24 |
nubbins` |
a |
| 01:25 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, today's log is long enough that some of you may have missed my 'highlights of underhanded crypto contest' summaries. |
| 01:25 |
asciilifeform |
do not miss. |
| 01:25 |
nubbins` |
slab+post case could hold the heat sink too |
| 01:25 |
asciilifeform |
won't regret reading. |
| 01:25 |
nubbins` |
until you dropped it on a corner anyway |
| 01:25 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: it'd be almost less ugly to pour it in cement. |
| 01:26 |
nubbins` |
no kidding |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
(anyone considering -actually- pouring electronics into cement - remember that it dries exothermically! need cooling) |
| 01:26 |
nubbins` |
colored logo could be easily removed |
| 01:27 |
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asciilifeform to bed |
| 01:27 |
asciilifeform |
if anyone does the honour of testing the 'turdel' - please post. |
| 01:30 |
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ben_vulpes weeps for log |
| 01:31 |
nubbins` |
alf will sleep the sleep of the just |
| 01:32 |
ben_vulpes |
http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt << wowee, danielpbarron |
| 01:32 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GSndrC ) |
| 01:35 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> seems that's 64 bit only now o.O << ahaha in between this line and my logreading mod6 posted a patch |
| 01:36 |
ben_vulpes |
hooray you fiend you |
| 01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ayup |
| 01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
was keeping my fingers crossed for it being just you know, two lines and a whistle. |
| 01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
<nubbins`> we're assholes, yet here we are trying << "a for effort" |
| 01:40 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> (fwiw, my father informs me that this custom was unknown in his unit, and only expert was trusted with wrapping chutes) << Many ground pounders in the extended family, slosest one to using chute at all broke ankle on helachoppa repel |
| 01:51 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
| 01:51 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 349129 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1654 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52321389587.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.99515 |
| 01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069289 << no man, the solid *is* the drone. |
| 01:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 00:37:43; assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 06:08:33; ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants... |
| 01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
it's just disposable. |
| 01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
and you can take fifty of them with you in a backpack...anywhere. |
| 01:55 |
BingoBoingo |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/307kye/an_entire_us_school_district_is_having_its_whole/cppze19 |
| 01:55 |
assbot |
ButterNubber comments on An entire US school district is having its whole network held hostage for a 500 bitcoin ransom. The FBI and Homeland Security are getting involved. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GifYv8 ) |
| 01:58 |
mircea_popescu |
alternatively, they coul;d just ditch shit-o-soft... |
| 02:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Or Coindesk/buzz could stop inflating the typical numbers ransomeware demands |
| 02:01 |
ben_vulpes |
just had a "don't blame the hackers" conversation. |
| 02:01 |
ben_vulpes |
"two decades of malicious microsoft sales. you have to expect the attacks, and the schools are simply the widest-open targets." |
| 02:02 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Schools used to tend towards Mac fo a reason and that was Nvir vs all those damn DOS & Windows virii |
| 02:03 |
ben_vulpes |
okay i'm logged |
| 02:03 |
ben_vulpes |
no, nodes don't get updated. |
| 02:04 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform, mod6: keep it up |
| 02:05 |
ben_vulpes |
me, i have beds to burrow into |
| 02:06 |
BingoBoingo |
SO, brainstorm, could anything real be within 4x as fast as fundnations headers only? |
| 02:10 |
mircea_popescu |
wut ? |
| 02:11 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I have no backing for that brainturd. Just inundating el braino with tequila given seekrit mission otd. |
| 02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
| 02:17 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
| 02:23 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067789 << well, i'd expect no less from schneier. |
| 02:23 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 14:41:46; mats: ive personally confirmed with schneier - in person - and have second-hand confirmations by others who have interacted with recipients of leaks |
| 02:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067830 << the "tor stinks" evidence is in the public record. |
| 02:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 14:51:20; mats: look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains |
| 02:26 |
mircea_popescu |
but importantly, your skepticism, while amply affirmed, is not supported by anything else. so you're skeptical of x theory, as an aesthetic matter. good for you. what's that do ? |
| 02:27 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067841 << and more importantly : improductive to try. the guy who we hang if we consider it malice doesn't belong to us anyway. if he were in the wot maybe the point would be remotely worht considering |
| 02:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 14:54:16; fluffypony: I think it's very hard to tell the difference between mistake and malice. |
| 02:27 |
mircea_popescu |
but for the fate of a random usg muppet ? dude, burn him down, his name won't even be remembered. |
| 02:27 |
mircea_popescu |
who cares ? |
| 02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067856 << all the excitedness about it recently re bitcoin does make it look suspicious. |
| 02:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 14:55:51; fluffypony: DJB believes secp256k1 is broken |
| 02:30 |
BingoBoingo |
More suspicious than niggers.o as a library function? |
| 02:31 |
mircea_popescu |
on the other hand, Daniel J. Bernstein is merely going by ec2, which is based on cm field discriminants / laders and indistinguishability |
| 02:31 |
mircea_popescu |
none of these seem, at least superficially, to be directly relevant to the usecase. |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
particularly the ladder... so it's not a montgommery curve. so what. |
| 02:33 |
BingoBoingo |
DJB also has inherent paranoia to the point http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/forum/23-risperdal-risperidone-invega-paliperidone/ to the point of lactation may be a substitute for grains of salt |
| 02:33 |
assbot |
Risperdal (risperidone) & Invega (paliperidone) - Crazy Talk: The Crazymeds Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkTKD4 ) |
| 02:34 |
nubbins` |
<gmaxwell> ugh: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30562s/bitnodes_will_be_releasing_plug_play_bitcoin_node/ ... we removed bitnodes as a dnsseed in bitcoin core because they kept engaging in sketchy behavior, and IMO dishonest. (e.g. we'd ask them to stop connecting at super high frequency to monitor every node in the network, and they said they would.. and a month later they instead had a perpetual |
| 02:34 |
assbot |
Bitnodes will be releasing plug & play Bitcoin node hardware mid-2015! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkTWT0 ) |
| 02:34 |
mircea_popescu |
the cm field issue is probably the most concerning, and if there's a baked in backdoor (something like, say, nsa is able to directly see through maybe 10% of all keys ever generated ?) that's where it'd be, that 3= -1 * 3≈ -2^1.6 property it shares with weak curves like bn(2,254) etc. |
| 02:37 |
nubbins` |
<+ben_vulpes> http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list << it vanished, dpaste sux |
| 02:37 |
assbot |
Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkUnMR ) |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
well alternatively a) deedbot b) set the damned timer. |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067870 << heh, alf is more poetic than me. |
| 02:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 15:01:59; asciilifeform: yes, some crypto designers make mistake, they are good people, sure, whatever. i will borrow from slavoj iek and say then 'we put them to a good wall, shoot them with a good bullet from a good gun, and bury them in with a good shove in the good earth' - since sure, they are good people. |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067898 << fleas do not come from dirt. |
| 02:39 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 15:05:28; asciilifeform: that from -tolerasty- comes poettering & crew. |
| 02:39 |
midnightmagic |
BingoBoingo: sorry.. what? lactation and salt paranoia? |
| 02:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067925 << a request not unlike "so you found drugs in his car ? but where's the notebook ? no notebook, no conviction!" |
| 02:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 15:13:34; mats: show me the motherfucking evidence! you mean to tell me these bureaucrats decided not to commit anything to paper this go-around? |
| 02:40 |
Adlai |
re: montgomery ladder, you can implement constant-time secp256k1, but it's a pita |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai it is. |
| 02:41 |
BingoBoingo |
midnightmagic: Oh, I was jsut supposing risperidone as an alternative to grains of salt |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
not sure it's particularly a point of interest for bitcoin for that matter. |
| 02:41 |
Adlai |
(this seems to be djb's real reason behind discounting curves without a *convenient* constant-time algorithm) |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
only on THAT one score. |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
256k1 fails VERY hard on what are more relevant criteria. |
| 02:42 |
trinque |
nubbins` | <+ben_vulpes> http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list << it vanished, dpaste sux << had the tab http://dpaste.com/2MAHAB9.txt |
| 02:42 |
assbot |
Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1GizasF ) |
| 02:42 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GizaJ8 ) |
| 02:42 |
mircea_popescu |
FIRST B-A LEAK!11 |
| 02:42 |
trinque |
boom |
| 02:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Someone pkg_add for qntra and claim words/shares |
| 02:44 |
nubbins` |
aww yeah |
| 02:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067965 << another one |
| 02:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 15:35:34; nubbins`: this place has done more to fundamentally change my thought processes than six years at university |
| 02:45 |
mircea_popescu |
buncha cultists. |
| 02:45 |
nubbins` |
i know, and all they gave me was a b.sc. |
| 02:46 |
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BingoBoingo has an M.I.Forget.All.The.Letters |
| 02:50 |
ben_vulpes |
http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << myup, fat-fingered the expiration |
| 02:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BkWWhZ ) |
| 02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068035 << no, it's a claim made here. |
| 02:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 16:22:37; mats: the claim i'm most concerned about is that the weakness was engineered by NSA, and that, by having approved it, NIST was complicit, thus casting doubt on all other NIST standards |
| 02:51 |
mircea_popescu |
nist specifically is hostis humani generis due to that and similar mishaps. |
| 02:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Everything about NIST that isn't pure time sucks |
| 02:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Even then Rubidium standards are cheap. Run Ntpd as Stratum 1. |
| 02:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068045 << no "figuring out" is contemplated or desired. that division is desired, so that the loafers can dangle. |
| 02:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 16:27:38; mats: leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation. |
| 02:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 290 @ 0.00347999 = 1.0092 BTC [+] {2} |
| 02:53 |
mircea_popescu |
the point of a functioning intellect isn't to make one one with the universe. the point of a functioning intellect is to make it impossible for the universe to make itself one with one. |
| 02:53 |
mircea_popescu |
as in, i don't think so i can go wallow in the mud. i think so the mud can't come wallowing on me. |
| 02:55 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> as in, i don't think so i can go wallow in the mud. i think so the mud can't come wallowing on me. << I wasted years 19 to 27 with the contrapositive here pls don't make the mistake |
| 02:56 |
nubbins` |
sleep |
| 02:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol check out pete_dushenski writing lots |
| 02:59 |
BingoBoingo |
!up brendafdez |
| 02:59 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I'm pround of pete |
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| 02:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068066 << a possible explanation is that jamaica has been turned by its reputation for "place for middle aged white women to come have a brown baby" into a very specific sort of strip joint. |
| 02:59 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 16:47:19; pete_dushenski: on one end is disinterest, a la paris or w/e, on the other end is entitlement |
| 02:59 |
mircea_popescu |
you wouldn't complain that the strippers don't wait on tables properly, would you ? as a woman ? |
| 03:00 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: well ty |
| 03:00 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> you wouldn't complain that the strippers don't wait on tables properly, would you ? as a woman ? << Serious labor problem here in the Middle West. Strippers aren't table servers |
| 03:00 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: suppose not. |
| 03:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068081 << this is a discogent antiargument because people here don't generally dig ditches for a living. obviously someone who leverages doesn't revert to data entry as a job. |
| 03:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 16:50:29; nubbins`: how much of your own time do you waste on maybes? |
| 03:02 |
brendafdez |
I was just approved to join the linux for women mailing list. In the welcome email I'm both reminded that 'what happens on list stays on list' (no archives or sharing) and they also say literally "You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: XGx4#KmI#HeF%P7C^ Normally, Mailman will remind you of your linuxchix.org mailing list passwords once every month, alt |
| 03:02 |
brendafdez |
hough you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you." |
| 03:02 |
brendafdez |
I like it when they tell me right away that their security is crap. So I don't have to wonder. Here, hashed what? |
| 03:02 |
pete_dushenski |
sweet, sweet leverage |
| 03:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.cuckoldvideoclips.com/myslutwife2/ sauce. |
| 03:03 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BkZ9u0 ) |
| 03:03 |
pete_dushenski |
speaking of which, turns out that bitcoin atms can actually make a buck! |
| 03:03 |
pete_dushenski |
;;seen adamobrien |
| 03:03 |
gribble |
I have not seen adamobrien. |
| 03:03 |
pete_dushenski |
or what was it... |
| 03:04 |
pete_dushenski |
;;seen adam_obrien |
| 03:04 |
gribble |
adam_obrien was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 48 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <adam_obrien> I have to run here, if any of you need Bitcoin give me a ping adam@btcsolutions.ca |
| 03:05 |
pete_dushenski |
^we had coffee today and apparently one of his lamassus did CAD$25k in transactions last month. at 8% commission |
| 03:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068136 << every idiot's approach works well enough for him. shit, mr lazer handycraftsman's approach workes well enough for him |
| 03:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 17:04:54; nubbins`: anyway tl;dr their approach works well enough for them |
| 03:06 |
mircea_popescu |
and for the forum retards at that. |
| 03:07 |
pete_dushenski |
he has a couple other too, none do quite that well but i was reasonably impressed that he hadn't lost his shirt |
| 03:07 |
pete_dushenski |
probably helps that cavirtex is tubed. |
| 03:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068157 << clearly shot down by the italian separatists under berlusconi |
| 03:08 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 17:14:37; pete_dushenski: this is assuming it wasn't hacked, shot down, etc. |
| 03:09 |
pete_dushenski |
'clearly' because ... ? |
| 03:10 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't understand how the world works. |
| 03:10 |
mircea_popescu |
italy is massing army at the french border |
| 03:10 |
mircea_popescu |
herpity-derp |
| 03:10 |
mircea_popescu |
those imperialistic dreams of the papal states were apparently never extinguished! |
| 03:10 |
pete_dushenski |
lol aok |
| 03:11 |
pete_dushenski |
well i for one would like to see what the argentinian in the big house could muster as far as a military goes |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54bb4cfce4b045585ada36f7/t/5510d89ce4b0fda1fcf4a144/1427167390317/ << o look, overweight, impotent, irrelvant and fundamentally cowardly white middleaged men clining to the unwarranted pretense of relevance. |
| 03:12 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1xxAFS9 ) |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly guise, you do all that ? |
| 03:12 |
pete_dushenski |
he's in far better condition to charge into battle than the hitler youth opa |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i bet your mom cares. |
| 03:13 |
pete_dushenski |
ha, just read that too |
| 03:13 |
mircea_popescu |
battle i dunno about, but off tune melee for a few hours - sure. |
| 03:14 |
pete_dushenski |
symbolically sufficient |
| 03:15 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field: |
| 03:15 |
mircea_popescu |
'According to reporting, "1.6 percent of developers earn more than the other 98.4 percent combined. And the bottom 47 percent of engineers earn less than $100 per month." << o chjecxk it out asciilifeform! as jurov sayz, clearly this isn't working o.O |
| 03:15 |
mircea_popescu |
note that out of that 1.6%, about 1.5% is state-sponsored crapolade a la zynga. leaving the other 0.1% with an accidental 55k this year, which is barely enough to you know, pay rent. |
| 03:15 |
mircea_popescu |
and next year... |
| 03:15 |
brendafdez |
such inequality |
| 03:15 |
pete_dushenski |
^the 'gold rush' |
| 03:15 |
mircea_popescu |
well you don't win the lottery each year. |
| 03:16 |
pete_dushenski |
sorta like mining btc on your laptop |
| 03:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068229 << see! it bothers you when usians do it. somehow, orlov-tolerant. |
| 03:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 18:03:12; ascii_field: or do words have no meaning to him |
| 03:16 |
mircea_popescu |
nationalist! |
| 03:18 |
pete_dushenski |
nationalist workerbee. best defense against meta problem! |
| 03:18 |
* |
BingoBoingo is tone deaf |
| 03:18 |
* |
BingoBoingo did not know I was tone deaf until admited to US college as music specialist |
| 03:19 |
pete_dushenski |
you'll just have to trust me that i'm a decent singer then. |
| 03:19 |
* |
BingoBoingo is great at karaoke though |
| 03:20 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo most people that i've seen karaoke fit this boring midwestern 30something so-so woman type. |
| 03:20 |
mircea_popescu |
to the point in my head it connotes that, like bingo connotes old jewish women |
| 03:21 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo most people that i've seen karaoke fit this boring midwestern 30something so-so woman type. << But that's easy mode to getting your dick wet. It works |
| 03:21 |
pete_dushenski |
cheek-pinching connotes stereotypical old jewish women for me |
| 03:22 |
pete_dushenski |
real ones: schmetten torte |
| 03:23 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno that I've ever met an old jewish woman |
| 03:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068268 << i spent prolly 3-500 bucks on my foray in ipad gaming |
| 03:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 18:15:00; funkenstein_: i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app |
| 03:24 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: some are sneaky. you may have met one and not known it. |
| 03:25 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: I've met plenty of young jews and gotten along fine. The mythic old jews are something else |
| 03:26 |
pete_dushenski |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l3wco9zVao << 'you can barely see her horns' |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
borat at jews house - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xxCcHU ) |
| 03:26 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068306 << ayup |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 18:21:31; trinque: best thing about gossipd is probably going to be writing software around it |
| 03:27 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070096 << so is this where you, like, finally !rate me or something ? |
| 03:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 06:59:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm pround of pete |
| 03:28 |
mircea_popescu |
!rated pete_dushenski |
| 03:28 |
assbot |
You rated user pete_dushenski on 08-Jul-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Pimp.. |
| 03:29 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: I thought I rated you earlier. If not leave a not. I'm too pickled atm to access important keys. Insufficiently skilled at the knife. |
| 03:29 |
brendafdez |
Scared that drugs would work? |
| 03:29 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068333 << there's exactly one field where payware is the only weay to go, and that's games. |
| 03:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 18:24:31; ascii_field: nubbins`: payware costing money is by far the least significant problem with it, in my experience |
| 03:30 |
pete_dushenski |
;;later tell BingoBoingo please to be less pickled :D |
| 03:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00021785 = 1.3507 BTC [-] |
| 03:30 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 03:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol there's little more amusing than seeing people try various fringe ideologies on b-a. |
| 03:32 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: That would involve untrusted 3rd parties |
| 03:32 |
mircea_popescu |
dudes you should totally not eat meat and use free software! |
| 03:33 |
pete_dushenski |
or not eat software and use free meat. |
| 03:33 |
BingoBoingo |
brendafdez: Certain classes of drugs have a history of being very effectual on me, but most drugs dropped in drink I have a strongly trained cross tolerance to. |
| 03:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i do use free meat! |
| 03:33 |
mircea_popescu |
uh i mean... i freely use meat. |
| 03:34 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: well, i'll bug you another time i guess. i just tend to strike when the iron is hot, even if the iron is also blackout wasted. |
| 03:34 |
Adlai |
;;ticker --market all |
| 03:34 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 237.14, vol: 21462.80141475 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 235.98, vol: 15570.03822 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 236.01, vol: 76464.99214271 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.0, vol: 54.30174294 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.579688, vol: 199715.62230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 240.0, vol: 37.55828405 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 242.7126, vol: 148.46250756 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) |
| 03:34 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: But when the backbody is emitting in the IR spectrum> |
| 03:34 |
BingoBoingo |
? |
| 03:35 |
pete_dushenski |
hopefully the front isn't ? |
| 03:37 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
| 03:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00021785 = 1.416 BTC [-] |
| 03:41 |
BingoBoingo |
!up badon |
| 03:45 |
pete_dushenski |
"Jordan has signed a $10bn deal with Russia to build the kingdom's first nuclear power plant, with two 1,000-megawatt reactors in the country's north." << someone is actually building nuclear reactors these days. |
| 03:46 |
BingoBoingo |
<pete_dushenski> "Jordan has signed a $10bn deal with Russia to build the kingdom's first nuclear power plant, with two 1,000-megawatt reactors in the country's north." << someone is actually building nuclear reactors these days. << /me remembers when King Hussein was the "Good Guy" (TM) |
| 03:46 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068531 << this made exactly no sense. |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 20:01:21; thestringpuller: ascii_field: snore for now, but if they start selling, they lower barrier to fork. |
| 03:46 |
pete_dushenski |
i should say, 'someone is importing reactor designs' |
| 03:46 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't seriously imagine the rasbperry pi 150 dollar node a) can achieve critical mass or b) can support gavincoin ? |
| 03:46 |
mircea_popescu |
a is a non starter because their demo is reddit demo = poor people. it has to be free or no dice. |
| 03:46 |
mircea_popescu |
b is a non starter because srsly, do the maffs. |
| 03:47 |
mircea_popescu |
all that thing's doing is a more expensive, less useful, bitcoin node. |
| 03:47 |
pete_dushenski |
i'm guessing that china, russia, india reactors are in-house worx |
| 03:48 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: not so long ago eh. |
| 03:49 |
BingoBoingo |
I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous because how much can it cost USG to rack 3 tons of banana pi's |
| 03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
except gov't doesn't do economical things like that |
| 03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
it's nature is to do uneconomical things. |
| 03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
its* |
| 03:53 |
* |
BingoBoingo wonders if anyone else here remembers when the Library marketed LOCKSS solution was based on OBSD |
| 03:58 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo dangerous doing what. |
| 03:59 |
BingoBoingo |
When did I say dangerous in this convo tonight? |
| 03:59 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous < |
| 04:00 |
BingoBoingo |
I was just asking if people remember a distributed memory safe system beign abandoned. |
| 04:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and holy shit this logging up took forever. |
| 04:00 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo mebbe i misread. |
| 04:00 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> <BingoBoingo> I support thestringpuller's idea that it could be dangerous < << Ah, I'm just thinking he might have a better measure of the enemy's pulse. |
| 04:01 |
mircea_popescu |
better than whom, and why would that be ? |
| 04:01 |
mircea_popescu |
dude look at that graph, mpoe fell of a cliff in slow motion. |
| 04:01 |
mircea_popescu |
and it follows the bitcoin curve to boot! |
| 04:01 |
mircea_popescu |
someone been playing teh big bad wolf ? i hope i haven't disappointed by not being impressed ? |
| 04:02 |
BingoBoingo |
''vishnuplug |
| 04:02 |
BingoBoingo |
^FU |
| 04:04 |
* |
BingoBoingo feels liek ButtBetting Soon |
| 04:08 |
pete_dushenski |
alright gang, off to dream about the next papal wars. |
| 04:08 |
pete_dushenski |
g'night |
| 04:11 |
mircea_popescu |
it totally was a puk missile! |
| 04:13 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla im not so sure about "differnent site". in any case same quantcast codes, so... |
| 04:14 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> cazalla im not so sure about "differnent site". in any case same quantcast codes, so... << SHHHHHH.... same atm |
| 04:14 |
mircea_popescu |
so they should be. |
| 04:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00021896 = 4.1493 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 04:31 |
BingoBoingo |
!up beetcoin |
| 04:31 |
BingoBoingo |
!up HeySteve |
| 04:31 |
BingoBoingo |
!up gabridome |
| |
~ 35 minutes ~ |
| 05:07 |
brendafdez |
<BingoBoingo> Feel free to ask in chan why Bingo loves the Motorola 68K chips |
| 05:07 |
brendafdez |
if you ask me to ask ;) |
| 05:07 |
BingoBoingo |
lol, because I can play mario on my calculator |
| 05:08 |
BingoBoingo |
:; |
| 05:08 |
brendafdez |
i had a TI-86 to cheat in school |
| 05:09 |
BingoBoingo |
skipped it for the -89 |
| 05:09 |
brendafdez |
8) |
| 05:10 |
BingoBoingo |
The -89 did algebra if you put it in right... |
| 05:10 |
brendafdez |
i never got algebra, it was like as far as i can write notes, the calculator is ok for me |
| 05:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Algebra can have a lot of meanings |
| 05:11 |
brendafdez |
i'll feel dumb discussing it here, now i regret moving to chan :P |
| 05:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Algebra spans a spectrum from HS math to Gimme meth Imma not Erdos |
| 05:12 |
jurov |
http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-03-25 heh |
| 05:12 |
assbot |
Wally Does Economic Babble Talk - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-03-25 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( http://bit.ly/1GjAGuF ) |
| 05:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Wally knows, |
| 05:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Wally fucking knows! |
| 05:13 |
brendafdez |
what i know is that i failed every single exam in my life which had word algebra somewhere |
| |
↖ |
| 05:13 |
brendafdez |
consistent results, always miserable utter failure |
| 05:14 |
BingoBoingo |
;( |
| 05:15 |
brendafdez |
back then i thoguth i was oing to study engineering but this made me change my mind and say, ok... maybe law will be easier, less numbers, no algebra. Sadly no calculator to cheat either. |
| 05:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27473 @ 0.00022178 = 6.093 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:16 |
* |
BingoBoingo thought was going to be mathmagician, downgraded to teacher, to lawyer, to librarian |
| 05:16 |
brendafdez |
i ended up just being a pretend bitcoiner |
| 05:17 |
brendafdez |
didn't last more than a year in law school either, although it was in fact easier than math |
| 05:18 |
* |
BingoBoingo nevar made it from applied to law student in spite of 178 on LSat assumed to naturally shady to be a lawyer |
| 05:27 |
cazalla |
wru scoopbot |
| 05:28 |
davout |
jurov: kek |
| 05:28 |
mircea_popescu |
o check it out, a davout |
| 05:29 |
davout |
yeah, touch me i'm french |
| 05:29 |
mircea_popescu |
can i kiss you you're french ? |
| 05:30 |
davout |
no tongue plox |
| 05:30 |
mircea_popescu |
no, tongue is british. |
| 05:30 |
davout |
fish & chips is british, all the rest was invented by the french |
| 05:30 |
mircea_popescu |
haha, dilbert does butts now ?! |
| 05:31 |
cazalla |
i hear brendafdez has got a baby in es.qntra.net |
| 05:32 |
cazalla |
hop to it, your shares await brendafdez |
| 05:32 |
davout |
me gusta |
| 05:32 |
brendafdez |
<brendafdez> I always take a long time before I do anything, so as to be sure that I won't fail to disappoint everyone involved. |
| 05:32 |
brendafdez |
<BingoBoingo> Ah |
| 05:33 |
mircea_popescu |
brendafdez better get out of the defensive shell of stupid and work your butt off, i think. |
| 05:34 |
cazalla |
i'm catching up on logs so i'm sure i'll get to that discussion soon |
| 05:34 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't in there i dun think ? |
| 05:35 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, oh? i thought she was quoting herself from an earlier conversation or something |
| 05:35 |
* |
BingoBoingo a liter in deeper than when I last touched the skunkswork project |
| 05:36 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly private. |
| 05:36 |
BingoBoingo |
What isn't? |
| 05:36 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla i was thinking btw, on the general principle of translations. what do you think of a model where translations, be they en to es, or es to en or cn to en or whatever they may be count for half the shares ? |
| 05:36 |
BingoBoingo |
It isn't like I plan to battle syphillis anytime soon again |
| 05:37 |
mircea_popescu |
also, articles written by drunk people only counted for 13.37% of normal wordage? |
| 05:37 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> cazalla i was thinking btw, on the general principle of translations. what do you think of a model where translations, be they en to es, or es to en or cn to en or whatever they may be count for half the shares ? << +10%vote unless that is horribly uneconomical |
| 05:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00022406 = 6.6098 BTC [+] {3} |
| 05:37 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> also, articles written by drunk people only counted for 13.37% of normal wordage? << Also totes fair |
| 05:37 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo what's +10%vote mean ? |
| 05:38 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: half the shares of the original article? or half the shares of the translated piece? i'd say the former makes more sense |
| 05:38 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
| 05:39 |
mircea_popescu |
shit. languages are so fucking difficult. |
| 05:39 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what's +10%vote mean ? << You and cazalla are 20% a piece I throw my 10% behind translations, because we aren't fucking Cointelegrah with seperate US and UK press releases |
| 05:39 |
mircea_popescu |
the first time today i sat here and couldn't figure out a problem was when i tried to parse davout's proposal. brain just can't cope. |
| 05:39 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, they have indian and greek too now! |
| 05:39 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo so you're thinking translation more like 2/3 ? |
| 05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
davout how do you figure which makes more sense ? |
| 05:40 |
BingoBoingo |
I thin translation is between 1/2 to 2/3rds. A full 1 if from strange to Eng |
| 05:41 |
cazalla |
i really don't see the issue with matching it 1:1 on the basis translation is useful, es not as much as cn but still |
| 05:41 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: some languages are much shorter than others, dutch is much denser than french for example |
| 05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo the thing is, if you give them parity you'll end up with you know, hungarian translation of 500 qntra articles diluting you to shit. |
| 05:41 |
cazalla |
but then seeing i can only speaka da english , i am prolly not qualified to "opine" on such matters lol |
| 05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla so then let them be 1:1 but only allow basically es, en, cn and mebbe portuguese ? |
| 05:41 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo the thing is, if you give them parity you'll end up with you know, hungarian translation of 500 qntra articles diluting you to shit << Editors discretion. Fucking hungarian sucks, not a lang |
| 05:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it's as much a language as finish is! |
| 05:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Finish not a lang either, it is a goal |
| 05:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and before you dismiss that, you should see what fucking tits & ass lean tall blonde stuff they produce! |
| 05:42 |
cazalla |
why would we want anything other than spanish and chinesey? |
| 05:42 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla so basically, extended cultural imperialism ? |
| 05:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, i could go withj that. |
| 05:42 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I hurd they were on US feminist diabeetus diet |
| 05:42 |
cazalla |
maybe arabic |
| 05:43 |
cazalla |
but other than that, those are top 3 next to english i assume |
| 05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
but prolly portuguese > spanish, on account of... well... brazil is like > south america. |
| 05:43 |
cazalla |
oh russian.. here we go, give an inch.. |
| 05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
right ? |
| 05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
russian, japanese right ? then all the arabs will get pissy because why do we pick the one or the other ? |
| 05:43 |
BingoBoingo |
I could see placing spanish well before portugese because fuck brazil if they aren't waxing |
| 05:44 |
mircea_popescu |
but i don't think we can go "all bitcoin happens in english fuck you" |
| 05:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Not at all |
| 05:44 |
Adlai |
put it to shareholder votes. want more incentive for translations in your language? gotta pay to have a say, like in 'real' politics |
| 05:44 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo brazil is waxing yo. and btw, general point : girls get their tit implants age 16 down here. |
| 05:44 |
BingoBoingo |
I think we focus on trade languages of En ES and Fu |
| 05:44 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like a bat mitzvah gift. |
| 05:45 |
brendafdez |
tit implants :) |
| 05:45 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai how are the shareholders paying exactly ? |
| 05:45 |
Adlai |
those who want more compensation for translators to some language, must buy shares in order to have their voices heard/regarded by the editors |
| 05:46 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, that's totally how that'll work. |
| 05:46 |
brendafdez |
<mircea_popescu> brendafdez better get out of the defensive shell of stupid and work your butt off, i think. << oops ;) |
| 05:46 |
Adlai |
(or they earn their shares the usual way) |
| 05:47 |
cazalla |
<BingoBoingo> I could see placing spanish well before portugese because fuck brazil if they aren't waxing <<< so muff is ok ya know |
| 05:47 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I am totally fine with the En language space surrendering except as a pidgin used in trade. If you let a single slant language into the acceptable trading space though. I sense trouble. Don't know of, but anticipate |
| 05:47 |
cazalla |
some even |
| 05:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Muff is greap |
| 05:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Muff gives my beard something to socialize with |
| 05:47 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla he just doesn't want hair in the asshole is all. |
| 05:47 |
cazalla |
but they poop from there, so i don't care, not going near butthole either way |
| 05:48 |
mircea_popescu |
some women wash. |
| 05:48 |
BingoBoingo |
You affraid of the poop muff? |
| 05:48 |
mircea_popescu |
fun fact : most large felines don't know how to shit as infants, so the mother licks their asshole to stimulate bowel movements. |
| 05:48 |
mircea_popescu |
think your life sucks ? at least you're not mom jaguar. |
| 05:49 |
cazalla |
i can just see you as the romanian vers of it's only smellz |
| 05:49 |
mircea_popescu |
(this, incidentally, works in constipated human infants too.) |
| 05:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Same kinda happens for primates, you ever seen reddit and momma chimp |
| 05:50 |
brendafdez |
black kiss, just what the doctor ordered |
| 05:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ordured, but anyway. |
| 05:51 |
BingoBoingo |
I just think it is too early to surrender to the chicoms. Even though I could prolly bang out a qntra.chicom in 45 minutes if I wasn't so pickled atm. |
| 05:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070253 << /me thinks back, realises that... you know what ? i've never actually failed an exam in my life. |
| 05:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 09:13:35; brendafdez: what i know is that i failed every single exam in my life which had word algebra somewhere |
| 05:52 |
* |
BingoBoingo still takes the LSAT on commision for select bidders |
| 05:54 |
* |
BingoBoingo is sure most people's best chance at passing the bar is hiring me to ident as them through law school |
| 05:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 05:55 |
BingoBoingo |
I've actually made this offer before. |
| 05:56 |
* |
BingoBoingo has never scored lower than 176/180 on the LSAT. I am the full package law school Fast Forward button. |
| 05:56 |
mircea_popescu |
so you could get me a law degree just in time for lawsky being extradited to serenissima jurisdiction so i can da myself personally ? |
| 05:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8543 @ 0.00021886 = 1.8697 BTC [-] |
| 05:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00021643 = 2.2509 BTC [-] |
| 05:58 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Pretty much, so long as you offer me an identify that does not have a history of long term use of lamotrinine of chloro-amphetamines |
| 05:58 |
mircea_popescu |
you should prolly make that offer in chinese. |
| 05:59 |
BingoBoingo |
I prolly should. Not enough people take it up in English. |
| 06:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00021505 = 1.0968 BTC [-] |
| 06:00 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, ya know, big business down under in writing papers for uni students, big drama other week regarding it http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mymaster-essay-cheating-scandal-more-than-70-university-students-face-suspension-20150318-1425oe.html |
| 06:00 |
assbot |
MyMaster essay cheating scandal: More than 70 university students face suspension ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlyVr2 ) |
| 06:00 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: You never write for students, you BE the students |
| 06:01 |
cazalla |
sounds like a lot of effort |
| 06:01 |
cazalla |
how well can a student pay you for pretending to be them? |
| 06:02 |
BingoBoingo |
enough |
| 06:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Do they, no |
| 06:02 |
cazalla |
and good luck getting rolling down drunk and turning up in person, at least you can do online tests and write for them at home while drunk |
| 06:03 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla he probably only does it for the free rape |
| 06:03 |
mircea_popescu |
"phteven with a ph did it!" |
| 06:04 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Have I ever told you about my GRE story? |
| 06:04 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, i don't even know what GRE is so, no |
| 06:04 |
mircea_popescu |
let some dude show up for you in exams today, be cited for 198 gang rapes next tuesday |
| 06:04 |
cazalla |
but if it's you turning up blind drunk and acing a test, i'd believe it |
| 06:04 |
cazalla |
lolol |
| 06:04 |
mircea_popescu |
america! |
| 06:05 |
mircea_popescu |
also, beneficial identity theft! |
| 06:05 |
BingoBoingo |
<cazalla> but if it's you turning up blind drunk and acing a test, i'd believe it << Since 1998 when the injun store stopped carding me |
| 06:06 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, ya know i use to get carded when i was 16, but i was smart enough to know the guy working at the bottle shop probably couldn't subtract my age from the current year, so he would glance at my provisional drivers licence and ring up my drinks no probs |
| 06:07 |
cazalla |
my dob i means to say |
| 06:07 |
mircea_popescu |
this "carding" thing... |
| 06:07 |
* |
BingoBoingo has alway done the deception thing |
| 06:08 |
cazalla |
means something else where you're from eh mircea_popescu |
| 06:08 |
* |
mircea_popescu had a drink at his junior high prom. which was held in a bar. because romanians didn't actually give a shit. |
| 06:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the other kids didn't, because kids. |
| 06:09 |
BingoBoingo |
* mircea_popescu had a drink at his junior high prom. which was held in a bar. because romanians didn't actually give a shit. << Wait Wut, you only had one drink at prom? Junior year I was trying to keep pace with Anya. |
| 06:09 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, ease up, he's a light drinker |
| 06:09 |
mircea_popescu |
that's kinda the thing, if it's not a big deal it just... isn't a big deal. |
| 06:10 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla heh notrly. my high mark is putting away something over a liter of 50% moonshine and then walking out. |
| 06:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i suspek that makes me a heavy drinker, at least at the time. |
| 06:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Drink is totally not a big deal. In the same way standardized tests in the US are not a big deal. The cost to pass maximally is trivial. |
| 06:10 |
mircea_popescu |
but in truth i dun really drink like i used to. |
| 06:11 |
cazalla |
i suspek gypies sell non-alcoholic wine to young romanian men as american's sell oregano to the teens :P |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i never saw non-alcoholic wine in yurp. |
| 06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
real thing too abundant. |
| 06:12 |
cazalla |
yeah my opa use to make it, locked him in the cellar once, such a hiding for that one |
| 06:13 |
cazalla |
the funny thing is, i could've left him in there but i was so frightened that i opened it so that he could beat me |
| 06:13 |
cazalla |
prob had war flash backs or something, he went fkn bananas |
| 06:14 |
mircea_popescu |
romania (at least the nw, where i'm from) is all about this particular plum distilate. |
| 06:14 |
mircea_popescu |
most respectable older men run their own stills, and they usually leak and are in basements |
| 06:15 |
mircea_popescu |
so when it's firing time... buncha very drunk dudes that swear they didn't drink a drop |
| 06:15 |
cazalla |
banned here, unless for extracting essential oils |
| 06:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00021789 = 6.4713 BTC [+] {3} |
| 06:15 |
mircea_popescu |
romania (at least back in the day) was this place where nothing could be banned. |
| 06:16 |
cazalla |
and whenever some dudes die from the methanol they produced, they make a big deal of it in the media to warn of the dangers of diy at home |
| 06:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the very notion that the govt would tell you what to do or not do... lol. |
| 06:16 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no methanol in this process. |
| 06:16 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, distilling fermented fruit can not yield methanol. it's ancient and perfectly safe at that. |
| 06:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Clean known moonsine stills here |
| 06:17 |
BingoBoingo |
From corn though |
| 06:17 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, must be making something else then, i have nfi, just hear in the media now and again |
| 06:17 |
mircea_popescu |
i think you gotta boil wood before you get crap like that. |
| 06:17 |
cazalla |
"Initial reports about the four men's methanol poisoning suggest it occurred when they tried to concoct grappa, a grape-based brandy." |
| 06:18 |
mircea_popescu |
pff. |
| 06:18 |
cazalla |
prob for the best i don't bottle my own, i'd be in perpetual state of drunkedness |
| 06:19 |
mircea_popescu |
they probably tried to "concoct grappa" out of office chairs or something. |
| 06:19 |
mircea_popescu |
seeing how one hundred thousand people made their own for decade upon decade without ill effect. |
| 06:19 |
cazalla |
well, if one is going to eat plastic food, may as well drink plastic too |
| 06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
anywya, if memory serves there's a good 10-20 degrees differential between ethanol and methanol boiling points. |
| 06:21 |
cazalla |
anyway, zzz for me |
| 06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
even if you start with a 50-50 mixture, keep the still open at ~75 degrees for half an hour, then you can just let it burn and collect the result. |
| 06:22 |
mircea_popescu |
nn c man |
| 06:29 |
jurov |
heh. my parents themselves started to give me wine.. at 15 or so :D |
| 06:29 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds about right. |
| 06:30 |
jurov |
<mircea_popescu> actually, distilling fermented fruit can not yield methanol << wait what??? |
| 06:30 |
BingoBoingo |
My parents unlocked the scotch at 12 |
| 06:30 |
mircea_popescu |
to which part ? |
| 06:30 |
BingoBoingo |
<jurov> <mircea_popescu> actually, distilling fermented fruit can not yield methanol << wait what??? << It totally can |
| 06:30 |
jurov |
i have held in my hand plum methanol, wtf if mircea up to |
| 06:31 |
jurov |
*is |
| 06:31 |
BingoBoingo |
jurov: He has an idealistic image of the old country |
| 06:31 |
mircea_popescu |
no dude, it's just fucking rare. |
| 06:31 |
mircea_popescu |
in the single digit ppm. |
| 06:33 |
BingoBoingo |
I've drank 98+ proof corn whiskey aged right with minimal fusile alcohols. Everyone wants their tradition to be the saint |
| 06:34 |
jurov |
http://homedistiller.org/intro/methanol/methanol apparently it depends |
| 06:34 |
assbot |
Home Distillation of Alcohol (Homemade Alcohol to Drink) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFwqRE ) |
| 06:34 |
jurov |
"for example apple juice can have 0.2-0.3% methanol, or if derived from pulp by enzymatic degradation, the levels can be 2 to 3 times higher." |
| 06:34 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov there's two things : one, what you use and how you ferment it. two, how you distil. |
| 06:35 |
mircea_popescu |
but historically, methanol is "wood alcohol". ie, if you try to distil roadkill and old boots, you get a lot of it. |
| 06:35 |
jurov |
yes but that's very different from "can not yield" |
| 06:35 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise, properly fermented plums specifically are so and so. |
| 06:35 |
mircea_popescu |
well i was talking of the traditional process as used, not of whatever random strange one may try. |
| 06:35 |
mircea_popescu |
you know these things get highly traditional / fixated. |
| 06:36 |
mircea_popescu |
but in any case : methanol has significant lower boiling point. which, again, means that even if you start with an equal part mixture, if you distil correctly you take it all out. |
| 06:37 |
jurov |
yes |
| 06:37 |
mircea_popescu |
well so that. |
| 06:42 |
* |
BingoBoingo is awfuly sure unregulated corn distillation products self has consumed in the past conatained far below te mandated fusile alcohols of the nao |
| 06:43 |
BingoBoingo |
If only fissible alcohols were a thing |
| 06:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00021505 = 3.258 BTC [-] |
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| 07:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20192 @ 0.00021756 = 4.393 BTC [+] {2} |
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| 07:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4711 @ 0.00022073 = 1.0399 BTC [+] |
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| 07:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5863 @ 0.00022484 = 1.3182 BTC [+] |
| 07:55 |
mircea_popescu |
According to the 2002/2003 census, 143,167 farms had plum trees bearing fruit covering a total area of 554 km². According to the same census, about 75% of the crop ends up as țuică. |
| 07:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ha |
| 07:55 |
mircea_popescu |
romania, 3rd plum producer, after china and serbia |
| 07:56 |
mircea_popescu |
(mostly, damsons) |
| 07:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00022792 = 5.8575 BTC [+] {2} |
| 08:01 |
chetty |
<mircea_popescu> According to the 2002/2003 census, 143,167 farms had plum trees bearing fruit covering a total area of 554 km². According to the same census, about 75% of the crop ends up as țuică.//only 75%? |
| 08:02 |
mircea_popescu |
i think some plums grow feet and run away |
| 08:10 |
danielpbarron |
height=296995 vs height=216536 |
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| 08:28 |
Adlai |
so 'eris' is... a database? an application server? does GenDoug support Hybrid-Flex™ blockchains? |
| 08:35 |
danielpbarron |
Adlai, it's a block chain with mining restricted by a centrally controlled key |
| 08:35 |
danielpbarron |
that is, blocks are only accepted as valid if they meet the difficulty requirement *and* are blessed with the magic key |
| 08:36 |
danielpbarron |
and that's supposed to eliminate the need for there being a currency |
| 08:37 |
danielpbarron |
to which I ask, why even use a block chain? it's like cloud storage with unneccessary drawbacks |
| 08:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00022821 = 3.9709 BTC [+] |
| 08:47 |
Adlai |
decentralization theater :P |
| |
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| 09:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10104 @ 0.00022497 = 2.2731 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
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| 09:22 |
jurov |
guess they hope to sell mining equipment with the key baked in |
| 09:22 |
jurov |
and thus dip both ends |
| 09:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00022214 = 4.0318 BTC [-] |
| 09:31 |
danielpbarron |
!up kyuupichan |
| 09:32 |
kyuupichan |
danielpbarron: What do your messages saying "Height H1 vs H2" mean exactly? |
| 09:32 |
danielpbarron |
i'm running two pogos, one with a solid state drive, the other with a 5400 rpm drive |
| 09:33 |
danielpbarron |
i knew solid state would be faster; just seeing how much faster, and if 5400 rpm drive is a reasonable option |
| 09:38 |
danielpbarron |
22G vs 6.2G |
| 09:39 |
danielpbarron |
out of about 40G |
| 09:39 |
danielpbarron |
i think it would take about a year for a 5400 rpm drive pogo to sync with the network |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 10:04 |
danielpbarron |
;;later tell mod6 having some troubles here http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt |
| |
↖ |
| 10:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BLYVuR ) |
| 10:04 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 10:06 |
* |
mod6 looks |
| 10:06 |
danielpbarron |
i haven't caught up on the logs yet, maybe these issues were covered already |
| 10:07 |
mod6 |
So can you explain what you're builing, what version of auto.sh, what OS, did you change anything? what arch? |
| 10:07 |
mod6 |
*building |
| 10:08 |
mod6 |
Did you read this email? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000071.html << this /should/ work on an x86 arch |
| 10:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BLZ7do ) |
| 10:08 |
mod6 |
if you tried to build that version of auto.sh on an ARM arch, then i can see why you had issues. |
| 10:08 |
danielpbarron |
yes that's what i used |
| 10:09 |
danielpbarron |
i tried it first as is |
| 10:09 |
mod6 |
what os/arch? |
| 10:09 |
danielpbarron |
gentoo x86 |
| 10:09 |
mod6 |
hmm |
| 10:10 |
nubbins` |
you installed libssl-dev? |
| 10:11 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron ^ |
| 10:12 |
danielpbarron |
i don't think so |
| 10:12 |
nubbins` |
well that's your problem |
| 10:13 |
nubbins` |
emerge dat shit |
| 10:13 |
danielpbarron |
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "libssl-dev". |
| 10:13 |
danielpbarron |
i didn't need it last time |
| 10:13 |
nubbins` |
headers.h:20:28: fatal error: openssl/buffer.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:13 |
nubbins` |
hm |
| 10:13 |
danielpbarron |
my pogos are currently running a bitcoind that i compiled myself |
| 10:13 |
nubbins` |
does emerge tab-complete? |
| 10:13 |
nubbins` |
libssl<tab> |
| 10:14 |
danielpbarron |
emerge: Maybe you meant any of these: virtual/libudev, dev-libs/libsolv, dev-libs/libsigsegv? |
| 10:14 |
nubbins` |
neh |
| 10:14 |
nubbins` |
is buffer.h anywhere on your system>? |
| 10:14 |
nubbins` |
might be an include path issue |
| 10:15 |
danielpbarron |
i thought this is supposed to download a specific version of ssl and use a local copy |
| 10:15 |
danielpbarron |
why should i need to install things on my system? |
| 10:15 |
nubbins` |
pastebin your ./auto.sh |
| 10:15 |
nubbins` |
and your bitcoin/src/makefile.unix |
| 10:16 |
nubbins` |
heck, skip pastebin and danielpbarron.com them |
| 10:17 |
nubbins` |
openssl is the first dep that should get downloaded and compiled, so if it's halting there it's probably a path issue |
| 10:18 |
mod6 |
i've never used gentoo before, but if this still a problem/not-resolved by the end of the day, I'll try to setup a new droplet and test the auto.sh changes there. |
| 10:18 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron here's a snippet from the last chunk of text you shared |
| 10:18 |
nubbins` |
-I/home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.5th/ourlibs/include -I/home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.5th/ourlibs/include -I/home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.5th/ourlibs/include |
| 10:19 |
nubbins` |
that's trying to include the same dir three times |
| 10:19 |
nubbins` |
which might indicate that it's failing to parse something after /include |
| 10:19 |
danielpbarron |
that attempt was using the arm toolchain |
| 10:19 |
nubbins` |
i had to modify makefile for osx because all the path stuff wasn't resolving, your gentoo might have similar prob |
| 10:20 |
nubbins` |
actually all three of your attempts show the same thing |
| 10:20 |
nubbins` |
(might be totally not the issue but worth examining) |
| 10:23 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
| 10:23 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.34, Best ask: 246.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 246.46, 24 hour volume: 71535.64113155, 24 hour low: 235.7, 24 hour high: 252.94, 24 hour vwap: None |
| 10:25 |
danielpbarron |
refresh http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt |
| 10:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BLYVuR ) |
| 10:30 |
PeterL |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1061881 << my brother is ~6 ft tall, but usually slouches so he looks about 5'7 |
| 10:30 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-03-2015 04:52:20; mircea_popescu: but to belabour the point : one of the principal reasons "measuring iq" as it were height is so ridiculous, is because nobody has yet had an off day for height. |
| 10:30 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron sweet, how about makefile.unix from 5th |
| 10:31 |
PeterL |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-03-2015#1061802 << I would say most of food is pretty well described by chemistry already |
| 10:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-03-2015 04:30:25; mircea_popescu: at any rate : expecting human behaviour to be addressed by genetics is a little like expecting food to be discussed by chemistry. |
| 10:32 |
PeterL |
and yes, there are chemists who specialize in food chemistry |
| 10:32 |
nubbins` |
there were behaviourists who specialized in genetics 8) |
| 10:33 |
PeterL |
but are there geneticists that specialize in behaviour? |
| 10:34 |
nubbins` |
prolly not since ww2 |
| 10:39 |
Adlai |
there's a gene for smoking all the way down to the filter |
| 10:40 |
Adlai |
which is derpspeak for statistical correlation between certain genotypes, and that phenotype |
| 10:42 |
nubbins` |
8) |
| 10:51 |
danielpbarron |
nubbins`, http://danielpbarron.com/makefile.unix.txt |
| 10:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BM1Mnq ) |
| 10:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14275 @ 0.00022539 = 3.2174 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
<danielpbarron> to which I ask, why even use a block chain? it's like cloud storage with unneccessary drawbacks << this pretty much |
| 10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
<jurov> guess they hope to sell mining equipment with the key baked in << wouldn't this necessarily leak it ? |
| 10:53 |
jurov |
no rake is forever |
| 10:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00022567 = 6.1721 BTC [+] |
| 10:55 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron: add these two lines to your auto.sh, right below "export LDFLAGS=" at the bottom |
| 10:55 |
nubbins` |
echo $OURLIBS |
| 10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
<PeterL> I would say most of food is pretty well described by chemistry already << you have no idea. |
| 10:55 |
nubbins` |
echo $OPENSSL_LIB_PATH |
| 10:55 |
nubbins` |
then run ./auto.sh again |
| 10:55 |
PeterL |
you think there is some mysterious undescribed part of food? |
| 10:55 |
nubbins` |
actually maybe preface with: echo "looky loo" |
| 10:56 |
nubbins` |
or other marker |
| 10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much the only thing chemistry describes about food is that it has no hope in hell of describing it, and here's some alternatives that 90% of people can't distinguish |
| 10:56 |
* |
nubbins` points out that "artificial flavor" and "natural flavor" can be chemically the same molecule, but must be labelled according to origin |
| 10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL didn't we have the discussion with the complexity of aminoacids ? |
| 10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` this "chemically the same molecule" ... i can distinguish peppers and capsein. |
| 10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
now go make me a pickled cucumber. |
| 10:57 |
nubbins` |
i can distinguish marijuana and pure thc 8) |
| 10:57 |
PeterL |
what about them? chemists can say what they are, but might not be able to recreate them in the lab |
| 10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL they can't usefully say what they are, even. |
| 10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
human taste is sensitive to ppb in some lines. smell easily to ppm. |
| 10:58 |
nubbins` |
protip: the smell of nice marijuana is precisely the smell of thc |
| 10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` sure, soime cases are more advantageous than others. now go distinguish a glass of wine from another glass of wine, chemically. |
| 10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
your competent oenologist can usually spot the year and most of the time the vineyard. not the region mind. the vineyard. |
| 10:58 |
nubbins` |
too many compounds bru! |
| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
oic. |
| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought it was described. |
| 10:59 |
PeterL |
sure, you can identify the differing concentrations of various chemicals |
| 10:59 |
nubbins` |
oh, no doubt |
| 10:59 |
nubbins` |
everyone's seen a sommelier identify the vineyard by taste |
| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL no, you can't actually, because a glass is not enough sample. |
| 10:59 |
nubbins` |
only way to earn your level 3 |
| 10:59 |
nubbins` |
now take a glass of house red and a glass of $5000/bottle red and ask the guy to do a blind taste test. |
| 11:00 |
* |
nubbins` has admittedly never drunk wine costlier than $500/bottle but can verify that all the superfluous descriptors on the label are actually present |
| |
↖ |
| 11:00 |
jurov |
http://m.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/assault-charge-woman-squirts-breast-milk-at-cop-refused-bail/story-fnhocxo3-1227278350251 |
| 11:00 |
assbot |
| Perth Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1BM2j98 ) |
| 11:00 |
nubbins` |
"it DOES taste like oiled leather and rustic tobacco" |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
if you had a cistern to run through, and a few years and an infinity of budgets, you maybe could get something sorta usable some of the time. which is about wheree it is. |
| 11:00 |
jurov |
jus' squirt it |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov you know that sounds so very gypsy... |
| 11:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00022567 = 3.8364 BTC [+] |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
at any rate : most actual foodstuffs, such as pickles, cheeses, cured and aged meats etc aren't even flora-enumerated, in the sense that we don't even really know what all grows on them |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
it's "broadly this" and "mostly that" all the way. |
| 11:03 |
PeterL |
aren't pickles just cucumbers soaked in vinegar? |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
no, they are not. |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
pickes are cucumbers fermented in a saline solution in the dark and cool. |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the vinegar thing is an industrial product and at best cattle feed. |
| 11:05 |
nubbins` |
brining and fermenting is an art |
| 11:05 |
* |
nubbins` has been dabbling |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
not that i'm contesting the importance and corectness of whatever, maillard, what have you. but nobody who looked at the matter seriously is claiming the problem to be even described |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
let alone solved. |
| 11:05 |
nubbins` |
this kimchi i'm working through could strip paint |
| 11:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8725 @ 0.00022038 = 1.9228 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:06 |
nubbins` |
but yeah, mp has it. you can take a stab at the /types/ of organisms or compounds therein |
| 11:06 |
nubbins` |
but that's about as close as it gets |
| 11:06 |
nubbins` |
like, i know my kimchi has lactobacillus strains |
| 11:06 |
nubbins` |
which ones? shrug |
| 11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, the variety of bacteria is actually staggering. |
| 11:06 |
nubbins` |
ostensibly different ones than are in my sourdough. |
| 11:06 |
PeterL |
but chemists have a general knowledge of what goes into good food, unlike geneticists who have very little idea what goes into intelligence |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL but geneticists have am uch better idea of what goes into phenotypes. |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
uhhh... guanine |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
and... ahem.... ti something |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
there, they're ahead already. |
| 11:07 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
guanine and ti something, almost 1/3 of the job |
| 11:08 |
nubbins` |
incidentally, coffee is up there with wine as far as variety of chemical compunds goes |
| 11:08 |
nubbins` |
coffee plantation was the first time i ever saw (and smelled) a smell sample kit |
| 11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
so it is. and the yak milk thing the mongols drink |
| 11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
and on it goes. |
| 11:08 |
nubbins` |
10/10 would like to own one |
| 11:08 |
* |
nubbins` prefers wet-processed coffees, which means -- you guessed it -- fermentation |
| 11:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00021505 = 2.2688 BTC [-] |
| 11:09 |
nubbins` |
sometimes i feel like i've changed my gut flora enough that it's modified my brain chemistry to strongly desire stinky, fermented things |
| 11:10 |
nubbins` |
other side of the coin is that i've stopped indulging in mcdonald's and plastic food for long enough that the natural desire to eat /living food/ has come back |
| 11:10 |
nubbins` |
take yr pick |
| 11:13 |
danielpbarron |
nubbins`, refresh http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt |
| 11:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BLYVuR ) |
| 11:15 |
danielpbarron |
i thought it might have been because i was still using my own script to patch 0.5.3, but the pre-patched 0.5.3.1 i tried also failed (that was the omitted 6th attempt |
| 11:15 |
* |
jurov imagined a dystopic flick featuring people with GMO gut flora living off all kinds of waste |
| 11:17 |
jurov |
i suspect such uncanny adaptations will be necessary for space, too |
| 11:17 |
PeterL |
I have entertained the idea of trying to implant gut flora from herbivores to allow us to live off grass, could be fun, no? |
| 11:18 |
jurov |
what fun? chewing all day? |
| 11:18 |
PeterL |
I've also wondered what would happen if we implanted chloroplasts in our skin, just live off sunlight? |
| 11:18 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron so $OURLIBS resolves to /home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.7th/ourlibs |
| 11:18 |
nubbins` |
$OPENSSL_LIB_PATH resolves to /home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.7th/ourlibs/lib |
| 11:19 |
nubbins` |
^ not sure that's drilled down deep enough |
| 11:19 |
nubbins` |
no, wait, that's fine |
| 11:20 |
jurov |
hardly chloroplasts. more likely figure out symbiosis with some sort of algae.. and i suspect it would not cover even significant part of metabolism |
| 11:21 |
jurov |
mostly worthwhile to synthesize vitamins and the like |
| 11:21 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron your 7th halts at a different step, hey? |
| 11:22 |
nubbins` |
db_cxx.h vs buffer.h |
| 11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov not a bad premise. |
| 11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, you'd need to implant four stomachs too, peterl. |
| 11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
<PeterL> I've also wondered what would happen if we implanted chloroplasts in our skin, just live off sunlight? << toxic epidermal necrolysis much more likely./ |
| 11:28 |
nubbins` |
hmm |
| 11:28 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron |
| 11:28 |
nubbins` |
http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt |
| 11:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1COYw0j ) |
| 11:28 |
nubbins` |
bottom chunk: see 2nd line in paste |
| 11:28 |
nubbins` |
...failed updating 163 targets... |
| 11:28 |
nubbins` |
i think your problem might start a bit earlier? |
| 11:29 |
chetty |
<mircea_popescu> <PeterL> I've also wondered what would happen if we implanted chloroplasts in our skin, just live off sunlight? << toxic epidermal necrolysis much more likely./// and poor vampires |
| 11:31 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron compare to first paste, failed updating 1 target |
| 11:39 |
mod6 |
danielpbarron: headers.h:26:20: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file or directory << did bdb get built ok? |
| 11:41 |
mod6 |
you may want to do like one at a time: Comment out 77-95 (for BDB) & 97-119 (for Boost) and just see if you get a clean build from OpenSSL. Then if so, comment out 58-75 (openssl) and uncomment 77-95 for BDB and just run that... etc etc. |
| 11:42 |
mod6 |
make sense? |
| 11:42 |
jurov |
fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file << that's known issue on gentoo, you have to add -I <bdb path> |
| 11:42 |
mod6 |
oh |
| 11:42 |
danielpbarron |
yeah, i think i remember doing that the last time i went through all this |
| 11:42 |
danielpbarron |
err.. what mod6 said, not what jurov said |
| 11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
vegetampires |
| 11:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00021536 = 5.3625 BTC [+] |
| 11:43 |
asciilifeform |
chloroplasts << surface/volume ratio. fails, even if worked. |
| 11:43 |
mircea_popescu |
gmornin alf |
| 11:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9875 @ 0.00021873 = 2.16 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:44 |
* |
asciilifeform caught up with logs, off to meatspace for a spell |
| 11:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm so fucking excited about this eulora release... |
| 11:50 |
jurov |
okay, but be sure to implement faster deposits :> |
| 11:51 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu hey who knows, maybe there'll be an osx build some time this summer |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` cool, that way you can play too :D |
| 11:52 |
nubbins` |
instead of just mousing around the login screen with no kbd input :D |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umeS2PWcRU0 << this guy. |
| 11:54 |
assbot |
Manole Stroici - Și pe tine or să te doară... - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CP3nOP ) |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
moldavian count. famous pop singer of the 20s. after which, took up clay pigeon shooting, and became world champion 4ever. |
| 11:56 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069675 << ---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 11:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: (it croaks, having no meaningful rootfs, but that's for tomorrow) |
| 11:57 |
danielpbarron |
on a related note, i'd like more specific info on how to make my own u-boot |
| 11:57 |
danielpbarron |
i'm not sure what asciilifeform recommends for this |
| 11:58 |
danielpbarron |
my adulterated pogo behaves strangly, sometimes it uses stock u-boot and sometimes it uses some thing i flashed to it, and i'm not sure why it changes |
| 11:58 |
nubbins` |
let me find you a link |
| 11:59 |
nubbins` |
http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html |
| 11:59 |
assbot |
Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZyYqB ) |
| 11:59 |
nubbins` |
that covers flashing nand with u-boot |
| 11:59 |
nubbins` |
not quite roll-your-own, but... |
| 11:59 |
danielpbarron |
yeah no, i mean how to make my own u-boot |
| 11:59 |
danielpbarron |
that's the one i'm probably using already |
| 12:01 |
nubbins` |
http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,12381 |
| 12:01 |
assbot |
2014.07 U-Boot for FDT and Non-FDT Kernel - GoFlexNet, GoFlexHome, PogoE02, Dockstar, iConnect, NetgearStora, PogoV4/Mobile, Sheevaplug, NSA325, NSA320 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CP4myD ) |
| 12:01 |
nubbins` |
see "references" section |
| 12:01 |
danielpbarron |
...failed updating 1 target... << this happens when i use the prepatched 0.5.3.1, the looky loo outputs correct paths |
| 12:01 |
nubbins` |
in http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,14697 |
| 12:01 |
assbot |
Kirkwood U-boot - Getting all supported Kirkwoods on-board ... ( http://bit.ly/1CP4nT7 ) |
| 12:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00022567 = 1.354 BTC [+] |
| 12:02 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron at the risk of being silly, does db_cxx.h exist in /home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.7th/ourlibs/include |
| 12:03 |
danielpbarron |
no |
| 12:04 |
nubbins` |
okay, so that's why that step can't find it :D |
| 12:04 |
danielpbarron |
i see boost and openssl |
| 12:04 |
nubbins` |
working backwards, next step is to modify auto.sh |
| 12:04 |
danielpbarron |
i guess that means db isn't finishing |
| 12:05 |
nubbins` |
comment out everything in auto.sh but the chunk where it builds bdb |
| 12:05 |
nubbins` |
then run it, see what errors it throws |
| 12:05 |
danielpbarron |
oh weird, it does exist in there when i try with the prepatched 0.5.3.1 |
| 12:06 |
danielpbarron |
http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt << refresh |
| 12:06 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CP5hit ) |
| 12:07 |
danielpbarron |
this is output when i use the 0.5.3.1 release and the patched for 32 auto.sh |
| 12:08 |
nubbins` |
still failed 1 target above |
| 12:08 |
nubbins` |
try this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ph1KJm0W |
| 12:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CP5uSK ) |
| 12:08 |
danielpbarron |
ok wow |
| 12:08 |
nubbins` |
save that as autobdb.sh |
| 12:08 |
nubbins` |
chmod 0755 autobdb.sh |
| 12:08 |
nubbins` |
./autobdb.sh |
| 12:09 |
danielpbarron |
i think my laptop has a 64 bit cpu |
| 12:09 |
nubbins` |
how much ram? |
| 12:10 |
danielpbarron |
3 gigs + 2 gigs swap |
| 12:10 |
nubbins` |
haha actually sorry, the pastebin i linked above has 1 error |
| 12:10 |
nubbins` |
s/osx/unix/ in line 6 |
| 12:10 |
danielpbarron |
so i'm the dummy that didn't realize he had a 64 bit cpu and put 32 bit OS on it |
| 12:10 |
nubbins` |
try that and paste the result |
| 12:11 |
nubbins` |
fwiw if you've got 3gb ram i guess it doesn't really matter |
| 12:13 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron don't worry, you also put 64 bit on the 32 bit arm. |
| 12:13 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 12:13 |
mircea_popescu |
(also, 32 bit os should work on 64 bit hardware, compatibility mode) |
| 12:14 |
nubbins` |
i have no arms, and i must flail |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 5 |
| 12:14 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZQY1ZC.txt ) |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 8 |
| 12:14 |
assbot |
Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ACFJRA.txt ) |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
whatevs. |
| 12:14 |
danielpbarron |
dpb@iscah ~/bitcoin/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 $ ./autobdb.sh |
| 12:14 |
danielpbarron |
Found 'db-4.8.30', skipping... |
| 12:15 |
nubbins` |
o.O |
| 12:15 |
ben_vulpes |
you'll see that if you run ./auto.sh more than once, non? |
| 12:15 |
nubbins` |
comment out if/else/fi |
| 12:15 |
danielpbarron |
this is a different one than the one that didn't have the db_cxx.h |
| 12:16 |
danielpbarron |
oh, should i run it from scratch? |
| 12:16 |
danielpbarron |
(which is what i have been doing up until this point) |
| 12:16 |
nubbins` |
naw |
| 12:16 |
nubbins` |
it does make clean |
| 12:17 |
nubbins` |
<+danielpbarron> this is a different one than the one that didn't have the db_cxx.h <<< ah |
| 12:17 |
nubbins` |
maybe you should start from scratch just so we can stay focused |
| 12:18 |
nubbins` |
it'll be a bit of a pain, but if you can comment out your auto.sh so that it only builds one component |
| 12:18 |
thestringpuller |
danielpbarron: i've done the same thing tho. i only had access to 32bit windows for my gaming rig, and i have to wipe the entire thing to install a 64bit version. |
| 12:18 |
nubbins` |
then comment out that one, uncomment the next, etc |
| 12:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11552 @ 0.00022637 = 2.615 BTC [+] {2} |
| 12:18 |
nubbins` |
it'll be easier to spot which builds fail |
| 12:18 |
danielpbarron |
it seems to find all three of openss, boosts, and db |
| 12:19 |
danielpbarron |
or um, yeah lemme do from scratch |
| 12:19 |
nubbins` |
yeah, find is one thing, build properly is another |
| 12:19 |
thestringpuller |
so we are building axes and swords today? :D |
| 12:19 |
ben_vulpes |
maces and bludgeons |
| 12:20 |
nubbins` |
just wetting the stones |
| 12:21 |
ben_vulpes |
heh yeah |
| 12:21 |
ben_vulpes |
swinging sticks at each other in the muddy courtyard |
| 12:22 |
nubbins` |
hey, the best swordsmaster who ever lived was bested by a farmer with a quarterstaff |
| 12:22 |
nubbins` |
^ rabbit hole if anyone's into reading dead trees |
| 12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ca multi lorzi de vita veche din indepartatul nord... |
| 12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
lordul john e-ntr-o ureche... |
| 12:24 |
nubbins` |
there's no beef in the north |
| 12:24 |
nubbins` |
just polar bear |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
vit,a aka lineage, kin |
| 12:25 |
danielpbarron |
on the openssl part, it ends with this: Makefile:640: recipe for target 'install_docs' failed |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge0WaPvECPw << there, sung. |
| 12:26 |
assbot |
Pasarea Colibri - Lordul John - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRAAT ) |
| 12:26 |
nubbins` |
while docs generally aren't crucial, i wonder if that stops some later process from happening |
| 12:26 |
danielpbarron |
oh also, should i be using the patched for 32 auto.sh if my cpu is 64 but my OS is 32 ? |
| 12:27 |
nubbins` |
match the os |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
actually... maybe try 16 bit something ? |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
protected mode ? |
| 12:27 |
nubbins` |
if you try running a 64bit program on a 32bit os, you're gonna be sad |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
they don't run |
| 12:27 |
nubbins` |
^ :D |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
inb4 danielpbarron accidentally builds ai |
| 12:28 |
danielpbarron |
in my "ourlibs" directory, it looks like there are only doc files |
| 12:28 |
nubbins` |
"y u no valid memory address" |
| 12:28 |
danielpbarron |
so i think it isn't finishing |
| 12:28 |
nubbins` |
ourlibs is where things get put as they're compiled |
| 12:29 |
nubbins` |
if you're only doing the first step, ourlibs won't be fully populated |
| 12:30 |
nubbins` |
does ourlibs/include exist? |
| 12:30 |
danielpbarron |
no |
| 12:31 |
danielpbarron |
only ourlibs/ssl/man |
| 12:32 |
danielpbarron |
looks like db built fine |
| 12:32 |
nubbins` |
here's the Makefile from openssl |
| 12:32 |
nubbins` |
install: all install_docs install_sw |
| 12:33 |
nubbins` |
you could remove install_docs from that line if you wanted |
| 12:34 |
nubbins` |
might be easier than figuring out why the docs won't install |
| 12:37 |
nubbins` |
failure of install_docs might preclude attempt at install_sw |
| 12:37 |
nubbins` |
(who in the fuck installs the docs /first/?) |
| 12:38 |
nubbins` |
bbl |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` installs the dix first! |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
fun fact : zog Ist was king of... |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
albania. |
| 13:13 |
punkman |
http://blog.samaltman.com/bubble-talk "This bet is open to the first VC who would like to take it . The loser donates $100,000 to a charity of the winner’s choice." meh |
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| 13:13 |
assbot |
Bubble talk - Sam Altman ... ( http://bit.ly/1BnuE6y ) |
| 13:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.0002306 = 4.7619 BTC [+] {3} |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 13:35 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 13:35 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron: i'd like more specific info on how to make my own u-boot << i have a u-boot built from official source. the buildroot thing -also- builds a u-boot, as a matter of course, but i have not yet tested that one |
| 13:37 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated << so, let's go into this in detail. they ship with all the seed ips they will ever have? for the record i proclaim this to be retarded. -keys- are the constants of our world, not ip addrs |
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| 13:39 |
ascii_field |
i utterly understand the desire to 'tivoize' these things so they don't get turned into phoundation nodes by lamers. but this can be done without idiot waste. |
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| 13:39 |
ascii_field |
once the twentybux boxes run out (and i expect that it will happen sooner rather than later) prepare to pay six times more for each node. |
| 13:39 |
ascii_field |
right now some bezzlatronic idiot is paying the difference |
| 13:40 |
ascii_field |
(the vendor is selling a loss-leader, hoping to attract chumps to its 5/mo. 'cloud' crapolade) |
| 13:41 |
nubbins` |
i think a lot of it is genuinely overstock too |
| 13:41 |
ascii_field |
likewise physical delivery is expensive. (witness kakobrekla's attempt to buy so much as one pogo and still have it 'feel disposable') |
| 13:41 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: this also. |
| 13:41 |
nubbins` |
physical delivery, for me, bottoms out at ~$10usd |
| 13:41 |
nubbins` |
whether i buy 3 or 50 |
| 13:41 |
ascii_field |
so, what, we're expecting operators to throw out perfectly good boxes to add a fucking seed node!?! |
| 13:42 |
ascii_field |
turning an ip address into a critical constant in a field-deployed machine paints a big fat target on that ip for usg |
| 13:42 |
ascii_field |
one of the few things usg is reliably good at is making a particular ip unusable |
| 13:42 |
ascii_field |
or emplacing own turd there |
| 13:42 |
nubbins` |
my ip address will be fine to use as a seed node, but it /may occasionally change/ |
| 13:42 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: there you go |
| 13:43 |
ascii_field |
hardcoded seeds - idiocy |
| 13:43 |
nubbins` |
and is thus useless for inclusion in a baked-in |
| 13:43 |
ascii_field |
there is no other side to this |
| 13:43 |
nubbins` |
now, i can gpg-sign my ip address and publish it somewhere when it changes |
| 13:43 |
nubbins` |
in fact, i can almost certainly have this process be automatic |
| 13:43 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: this means gpg on the nodes |
| 13:43 |
ascii_field |
and updatatron |
| 13:43 |
ascii_field |
and mircea_popescu will say 'bah, unreliable, you're driving up engineering cost 1000 times' |
| 13:44 |
nubbins` |
gpg and curl, at the very least |
| 13:44 |
ascii_field |
i suggested this, yes |
| 13:44 |
ascii_field |
well, not curl |
| 13:44 |
nubbins` |
where's the seed list now, in a fucking .c file or something? |
| 13:44 |
nubbins` |
w/e it may be |
| 13:44 |
ascii_field |
can't rely on anything on the net staying put |
| 13:44 |
ascii_field |
SIGNED update would have to be on attached storage |
| 13:44 |
ascii_field |
plug in a card, if passes sig - used |
| 13:45 |
nubbins` |
updated seed list on sd card? |
| 13:45 |
mthreat |
back in sudamerica |
| 13:45 |
nubbins` |
the list'll be stale by the time someone gets a box |
| 13:45 |
mthreat |
after the land of chipotle |
| 13:45 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: updated whatever |
| 13:45 |
ascii_field |
seeds, bitcoind image, hell, whole rom |
| 13:45 |
ascii_field |
but -signed- |
| 13:45 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 13:46 |
ascii_field |
and button must be held. |
| 13:46 |
ascii_field |
no automagic-anything. |
| 13:46 |
nubbins` |
there's gotta be a sane way to do this over the wire |
| 13:46 |
ascii_field |
user must consciously insist on update |
| 13:46 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: silent wire updates are ipso facto insane |
| 13:46 |
nubbins` |
altho otw explicitly means you're not examining anything |
| 13:46 |
nubbins` |
"aha" 8) |
| 13:47 |
ascii_field |
user is free to examine the (signed) update on his own time |
| 13:47 |
ascii_field |
before firing it |
| 13:47 |
ascii_field |
(or not) |
| 13:47 |
nubbins` |
so this is all agreed, anything that can be modified should be signed |
| 13:47 |
ascii_field |
not proposing anything idiotic, e.g., it being ciphered in some way |
| 13:47 |
nubbins` |
this brings us back to the seeds |
| 13:47 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: i am trying to knock some sense into the folks taking the 'no updates, throw'em out every time' folks |
| 13:48 |
ascii_field |
(who don't appear to be logged in at present, but, still) |
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| 13:49 |
nubbins` |
hm |
| 13:49 |
ascii_field |
e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069917 |
| 13:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 05:08:35; mircea_popescu: serviceable 19 dollar units ? gtfo. |
| 13:50 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069927 |
| 13:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 05:10:32; mircea_popescu: forget it, you want to upgrade get a new unit. |
| 13:50 |
nubbins` |
this is all fine and well |
| 13:50 |
nubbins` |
until you hardcode a thousand seed ips |
| 13:51 |
nubbins` |
and a week later they're all dead in the water |
| 13:51 |
ascii_field |
aha. |
| 13:51 |
ascii_field |
this is where the enemy excels |
| 13:51 |
nubbins` |
and there's you with half a blockchain |
| 13:51 |
ascii_field |
except they won't be dead, they'll be hosting phoundation syblics |
| 13:51 |
ascii_field |
*sybils |
| 13:52 |
nubbins` |
ha, there you go |
| 13:52 |
ascii_field |
and i disagree with mircea_popescu's hypothesis that 'enemy is stupid'. he is not stupid. he is being slow, so as to show off his sprezzatura. |
| 13:52 |
nubbins` |
this is getting dangerously closer to bringing the whole seed thing back to first principles, you know |
| 13:53 |
ascii_field |
give or take a few months, enemy starts to bark up the vaguely-correct tree. |
| 13:54 |
nubbins` |
hm |
| 13:54 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: ultimately the first principle is that pubkeys are the only valid locators for anything purporting to be human |
| 13:54 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm reading, asciilifeform |
| 13:55 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: aha, there you are. |
| 13:55 |
ben_vulpes |
you'll note, not arguing. |
| 13:55 |
ascii_field |
good, ben_vulpes is thinking |
| 13:55 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: don't hurry, think. |
| 13:55 |
ben_vulpes |
it seems you object to 2 things |
| 13:55 |
ben_vulpes |
i may be wrong and stupid, but i'm willing to be corrected and learn |
| 13:55 |
ben_vulpes |
1) hardcoding of seeds by enemy |
| 13:56 |
ben_vulpes |
2) using enemy's keys |
| 13:56 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: wai wat?!! |
| 13:56 |
ascii_field |
i was objecting to hardcoding of seeds -by us- |
| 13:56 |
ben_vulpes |
aha |
| 13:56 |
nubbins` |
what sort of handshake happens when you find a live ip in the seed list |
| 13:56 |
ascii_field |
warning that if we bake machines with unchangeable ip constants, this paints a fat blinking target on them |
| 13:56 |
ascii_field |
for usg |
| 13:57 |
ascii_field |
the only valid constant is keys. |
| 13:57 |
nubbins` |
you can't locate someone with a key |
| 13:57 |
ben_vulpes |
so if i might be forgiven for conflating things, should not any subset of the wot graph be able to use their own keys? |
| 13:58 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: use their own keys for what ? |
| 13:58 |
ben_vulpes |
signing updates to seed list. |
| 13:58 |
ascii_field |
this is where you gotta make the call re: how much centralization you want. |
| 13:59 |
ben_vulpes |
if we're to entertain updating, operators *must* be able to update without foundation keys. |
| 13:59 |
ascii_field |
and where mircea_popescu wakes up and says 'now the machine is 1000x more complex, needs to know what wot is' |
| 13:59 |
ben_vulpes |
alternatively, with arbitrary keys. |
| 13:59 |
ascii_field |
meaning no key at all ? |
| 13:59 |
nubbins` |
suppose you get a box and then start suspecting we've been turned. |
| 13:59 |
ben_vulpes |
perhaps must be supplied with keys on initial flash |
| 13:59 |
ascii_field |
to tivo or not to tivo, that is the question |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
now you're stuck with a box with OUR keys being the arbiter |
| 14:00 |
ascii_field |
why would someone buy a box from therealbitcoin when he suspects we've been turned ? |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
s/when/before/ |
| 14:00 |
ascii_field |
i'm fine with him having to buy a new box -then- |
| 14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
i thought boxes were user-flashed! |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
aha! |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
:D |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
let him buy a banana cream pi or w/e |
| 14:01 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: user-flashed possibly, from vendor state, but not into a configuration that is reflashable in the same idiot (remote exploit) way |
| 14:03 |
nubbins` |
fuck it, get it to scan a random /16 for .foundation nodes on first boot |
| 14:03 |
nubbins` |
sure, it'll take a couple days humming before it starts getting blocks |
| 14:03 |
nubbins` |
BUT W/E |
| 14:03 |
nubbins` |
;p |
| 14:03 |
ben_vulpes |
lol y not |
| 14:04 |
ascii_field |
scan a random /16 for .foundation nodes << wai wat |
| 14:04 |
ascii_field |
how do you propose to distinguish friend/foe ? |
| 14:04 |
ben_vulpes |
there is no friend/foe |
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| 14:04 |
ascii_field |
we have no mechanism for this |
| 14:04 |
ben_vulpes |
there are just nodes on the network |
| 14:04 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: he use the phrase '.foundation nodes' |
| 14:04 |
ascii_field |
implies that these can be told apart from others |
| 14:04 |
ascii_field |
by machine |
| 14:04 |
ben_vulpes |
and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers |
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| 14:05 |
nubbins` |
you can't have visible to users but invisible to usg |
| 14:05 |
nubbins` |
just can't |
| 14:05 |
nubbins` |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:05 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:05 |
nubbins` |
anyway, consider the statement suitably modified |
| 14:06 |
ascii_field |
ultimately the only proper box is one where the only magical constant is an rsa key, and same key is also prominently burned into the chassis |
| 14:06 |
nubbins` |
i'm sure we all have at least a reasonably narrow range of IPs that'll be assigned to our nodes, even if they're dynamic |
| 14:06 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: i don't |
| 14:06 |
nubbins` |
o! |
| 14:06 |
ascii_field |
this is a very bad assumption |
| 14:07 |
ascii_field |
my isp is a mega-conglomerate which owns and uses multiple slash-eights |
| 14:07 |
ben_vulpes |
and shouldn't this discussion be looking at ipv6 as well? |
| 14:07 |
nubbins` |
lel, total country bumpkins here re: ip blocks obv 8) |
| 14:07 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: i recommend strongly against ipv6 in this machine |
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| 14:07 |
ascii_field |
multiple known bugs revolving around mostly untested ipv6 crud |
| 14:08 |
* |
ben_vulpes is a total country bumpkin re: anything combudder |
| 14:08 |
ascii_field |
i recall at least one that concerns marvell in particular |
| 14:08 |
ascii_field |
i don't even have ipv6 enabled on my lan, much less outgoing. |
| 14:08 |
ascii_field |
even if nothing else, complicates reading packet dumps |
| 14:08 |
ascii_field |
which any reasonable person does regularly |
| 14:09 |
ascii_field |
to see what lives in his home |
| 14:09 |
ascii_field |
at the risk of pissing off many, i will still say, screw ipv6 |
| 14:10 |
nubbins` |
hm |
| 14:10 |
nubbins` |
just thinking out loud here |
| 14:10 |
ascii_field |
i ban ipv6 in my home. |
| 14:12 |
nubbins` |
hardcode DNS servers and fill the seed list w/ hostnames instead of ips |
| 14:12 |
ascii_field |
100% usg |
| 14:12 |
ascii_field |
usg has real time iron control over all of dns. |
| 14:12 |
ascii_field |
to a first approximation. |
| 14:13 |
ascii_field |
this is right back to phoundation's idiocies. |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
well i'm not running a namecoin node |
| 14:13 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: don't need to (and same problems apply to it) |
| 14:14 |
ascii_field |
the only way to cut usg-controlled apparatus entirely out of the loop is to have the node get all volatiles (e.g., ip addrs) from files, on inserable media, -signed- by burned-in and prominently-advertised key. |
| 14:15 |
nubbins` |
how many ips (or live ips, if you prefer) in current seed list? |
| 14:15 |
nubbins` |
i think this is on the ml somewhere.. |
| 14:15 |
ascii_field |
yeah i posted it. |
| 14:15 |
ascii_field |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html |
| 14:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb2bDD ) |
| 14:15 |
ascii_field |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000044.html |
| 14:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb2bU9 ) |
| 14:15 |
ascii_field |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html |
| 14:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AoqAY2 ) |
| 14:15 |
ascii_field |
^ that was all i think |
| 14:16 |
nubbins` |
*six*? |
| 14:16 |
mod6 |
you rang? |
| 14:16 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
| 14:17 |
jurov |
if seedlist is to be signed, then it can download it automatically, no? |
| 14:17 |
nubbins` |
so according to this, six live seeds would ostensibly be enough to bootstrap with |
| 14:17 |
ascii_field |
until they're shot |
| 14:17 |
nubbins` |
right. |
| 14:17 |
nubbins` |
then those six are useless |
| 14:17 |
ascii_field |
the only reason they are alive (and are they? i checked a good while ago) is that no one cared. |
| 14:18 |
nubbins` |
in the meantime, we've been using a different six since we sent out the first X units |
| 14:18 |
nubbins` |
cat-and-mouse |
| 14:18 |
nubbins` |
brb |
| 14:19 |
ascii_field |
there will be considerably less cat'n'mouse if enemy -knows- that there can be no effect from chewing on the mice |
| 14:19 |
ascii_field |
and the only way this could be so is if there are no magic hardcoded ips. |
| 14:19 |
ascii_field |
you can't ddos an rsa key |
| 14:19 |
ascii_field |
or have it administratively forced to rout to ft meade |
| 14:19 |
ascii_field |
*route |
| 14:26 |
* |
ben_vulpes thinks more |
| 14:32 |
jurov |
!mpif |
| 14:32 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021375 B (Total: 467.44 B). Delta: 0.31 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] |
| 14:32 |
jurov |
!t m f.mpif |
| 14:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (1000 shares, 0.21 BTC) |
| 14:38 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:48 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field so what's the path from rsa key -> seed node |
| 14:48 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: i proposed a very simple one |
| 14:48 |
nubbins` |
maybe i'm being obtuse :S |
| 14:49 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: node ships with no seeds. even without bitcoind binary. user inserts a storage unit on which he has placed a therealbitcoin-signed tarball. this gets eaten up. |
| 14:49 |
ascii_field |
repeat as necessary. |
| 14:49 |
ascii_field |
(and user presses button, yes) |
| 14:49 |
nubbins` |
a a a. |
| 14:49 |
nubbins` |
i gotcha |
| 14:49 |
ben_vulpes |
seeds included in tarball? |
| 14:50 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
| 14:52 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes: aha |
| 14:52 |
nubbins` |
any seed list made public by any means is a target |
| 14:53 |
nubbins` |
us cloaked ones forget about ddos lurkers in here |
| 14:53 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: yes. but -how attractive- a target, will depend on how much damage can be done to our cause by shooting at it |
| 14:53 |
ascii_field |
hence the sheer lunacy of unchangeable ips anywhere |
| 14:54 |
nubbins` |
at this rate you're gonna have to get in the wot before someone tells you a seed ip |
| 14:54 |
* |
nubbins` blinks twice |
| 14:54 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: bitcoin doesn't run on secret ips |
| 14:54 |
ascii_field |
that's a road to lameness |
| 14:55 |
ascii_field |
but there is a reasonably sane solution that doesn't involve secrecy |
| 14:55 |
ascii_field |
but simply 'we can move these at zero cost to us and ours if we want to, so don't bother shooting at them' |
| 14:57 |
* |
nubbins` gestures appropriately |
| 14:58 |
nubbins` |
foundation could publish a list of trusted seeds each month w/ state of the union |
| 14:58 |
nubbins` |
i don't know |
| 14:59 |
ascii_field |
why not. |
| 14:59 |
nubbins` |
also woot, 2x raspi & 2x pogo just showed up |
| 14:59 |
nubbins` |
seed list is in a source file? |
| 14:59 |
nubbins` |
or txt |
| 14:59 |
ascii_field |
txt |
| 14:59 |
nubbins` |
beaut |
| 14:59 |
nubbins` |
monthly seed list updates |
| 15:00 |
nubbins` |
separate tarball |
| 15:00 |
nubbins` |
unit comes w/ instructions for use, that includes grabbing both the bitcoind tarball and a seed list tarball of choice |
| 15:00 |
ascii_field |
try to see, i don't suggest hosting therealbitcoin mega-seeds on dynamic ip consumer boxes |
| 15:00 |
ascii_field |
but on solid pipes somewhere, ideally |
| 15:01 |
ascii_field |
the movability is like nukes, shouldn't ever have to be -used- - with any regularity |
| 15:01 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 15:01 |
ascii_field |
it must be there to remind the enemy of his helplessness |
| 15:03 |
nubbins` |
so the switch from phoundation seeds to foundation seeds must happen after said pipes are tapped |
| 15:05 |
ascii_field |
phoundation - usg |
| 15:05 |
ascii_field |
foundation - therealbitcoin |
| 15:06 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 15:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5115 @ 0.00023349 = 1.1943 BTC [+] |
| 15:06 |
nubbins` |
i try to use .foundation when they're not both in the same sentence 8) |
| 15:08 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 15:08 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/aIuCFrx |
| 15:08 |
assbot |
Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMu0OZ ) |
| 15:08 |
nubbins` |
gonna try the SD-for-block-storage route on one of these |
| 15:08 |
ascii_field |
these are sata-less variant ? |
| 15:08 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 15:09 |
ascii_field |
aha |
| 15:09 |
nubbins` |
still haven't found a reasonable purple-logo unit source for canada |
| 15:09 |
nubbins` |
although i suppose i'm sort of being an asshole by saying $28usd isn't reasonable |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 15:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00023234 = 3.4502 BTC [-] |
| 15:27 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069704 << it does have an "eject" button on the back next to the USB3 ports |
| 15:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 04:18:28; asciilifeform: nubbins`: pogo4 has no buttons |
| 15:28 |
nubbins` |
yeah we determined that after |
| 15:28 |
nubbins` |
both had to check units iirc |
| 15:28 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron: at first i though that the rear button was a cpu reset line |
| 15:28 |
ascii_field |
*thought |
| 15:38 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
this one's for nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/QblQ8cO.gifv |
| 15:53 |
assbot |
Old dog tricking puppy, so cute. ... ( http://bit.ly/1budlut ) |
| 15:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.000232 = 1.5544 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070789 << check it out, altman is poor. |
| 15:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 17:13:12; punkman: http://blog.samaltman.com/bubble-talk "This bet is open to the first VC who would like to take it . The loser donates $100,000 to a charity of the winner’s choice." meh |
| 15:57 |
mircea_popescu |
what's with the charity bs and what's with the sub million bs. is this the new jersey memorial golf circuit ? |
| 15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
(for poor people reading : "donating to a charity" = tax deduction = you didn't actually spend anything. because say my company has made 1mn revenue this year, and my tax accountant is bs so i have to pay like 120k in tax. if i donate 100k to a charity and pay 30k ish im all done. so therefore - whether i lose this bet or not decides whether i write a check to x or to y, not whether i write the check at all. |
| 15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"donation to charity" is what rich people do to make poor people think something happened.) |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and dealing in sub-million units is really like proposing to settle differences by wager of battle, "except let's use styrofoam weapons". totally dude, rad. |
| 16:00 |
ascii_field |
for extra mega-b0nus, the 'charity' is run by phriendz/childrenz/catamites of the 'donor' |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
in his case, for sure. |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
considering how the entire subculture is composed of nothing but "transhumanists" |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
where the fuck is that kid. |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
such a great picture he had |
| 16:01 |
ascii_field |
cishumanists |
| 16:01 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field made a south parkian joke! |
| 16:02 |
ascii_field |
wai wat |
| 16:02 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: so russian d00d works on implmentations team. he was in the break room and we go up to him to ask him random question about rapper or something, and he's like "I don't have time for this shit. Are you paying me to answer this question?" |
| 16:03 |
* |
ascii_field would likely demand pay to answer such a question |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
omfg where is turkenest head |
| 16:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 300 @ 0.00349371 = 1.0481 BTC [-] |
| 16:05 |
danielpbarron |
http://i0.wp.com/hplusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-12-at-10.58.28-AM.png?fit=300%2C300 |
| 16:05 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1bufy9p ) |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00022722 = 3.3515 BTC [-] {2} |
| 16:07 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
jerm la haine! found him! |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-03-2015#1059325 |
| 16:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-03-2015 04:12:53; mircea_popescu: "Jerm La Haine: Ive been doing music production and graphic design for just under twenty years now." |
| 16:07 |
nubbins` |
20 years o.O |
| 16:07 |
nubbins` |
what makes me think this guy is 25 |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://i0.wp.com/hplusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-12-at-10.58.28-AM.png?resize=302%2C439 << jerm! la haine! |
| 16:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1bug5rO ) |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
ah tyvm danielpbarron lol |
| 16:08 |
* |
danielpbarron is following him on twitter |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i was digging |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
since then or b4 ? |
| 16:08 |
danielpbarron |
i should have labeled it |
| 16:08 |
danielpbarron |
since then |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
lol shock trooper |
| 16:09 |
danielpbarron |
he claimed to not know who whoever someone here compared him to |
| 16:10 |
danielpbarron |
jaronlanier |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
and to round up the "sam altman is poor" thing : yes, he actually is. |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
leah goodman poor, which is to say he gets a few 100s of discretionary tspending a week and gets to - at the lord's pleasure - inhabit a decent mancave. for now. |
| 16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
but that's it. |
| 16:11 |
nubbins` |
i forgot about her |
| 16:11 |
nubbins` |
(tm) |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and it his isn't poverty, i guess i'm just privileged. |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` the ugly but aging sex in the city aspirationalist that "found satoshi's identity". then ascii_field thought she was rich then she wasn't. |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
if you b-a her name it's all in there because she's one of those (unfamous, anon irrelevant people that appear suddenly and on one topic. as opposed to say lenin.) |
| 16:12 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:12 |
* |
ascii_field has a possibly different imagination of 'rich' than mircea_popescu |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, stupid people sleep ad libitum by the definition of those terms. |
| 16:13 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: do they? or does the dependapotomus and its six screaming offspring wake'em |
| 16:13 |
ascii_field |
or the roommatez |
| 16:13 |
ascii_field |
or the roaches and bedbugs |
| 16:13 |
nubbins` |
i generally wake the roommates, not the other way around 8) |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway im gonna be briefly afk |
| 16:16 |
fluffypony |
Romania: Internet vs. Roads - http://i.imgur.com/XHw8GLw.jpg |
| 16:16 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BMCtl9 ) |
| 16:19 |
punkman |
http://theuserisdrunk.com/ |
| 16:19 |
assbot |
The User is Drunk ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMCFRp ) |
| 16:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00023317 = 1.3524 BTC [+] |
| 16:19 |
punkman |
" Is this your only job? No. I have a full time job changing the world." |
| 16:21 |
punkman |
http://jpleary.tumblr.com/post/113925136153/keywords-for-the-age-of-austerity-16-flexibility |
| 16:21 |
assbot |
Keywords for the Age of Austerity 16: Flexibility ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMCJRf ) |
| 16:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00022409 = 3.7941 BTC [-] |
| 16:23 |
trinque |
punkman: hah I just quoted that part myself |
| 16:23 |
trinque |
what a toolbag |
| 16:24 |
trinque |
punkman: this is his "changing the world" https://www.ideapod.com/ |
| 16:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BMDcTD ) |
| 16:25 |
trinque |
looks like uh... twitter social thing, part 2352580238 |
| 16:25 |
punkman |
https://www.ideapod.com/idea/55129ac7aed1543322f7ea2f |
| 16:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BMDlGt ) |
| 16:27 |
trinque |
"I've always felt as if my brain was always wired for a short circuit or at least in a way that wasn't too appealing for anyone else but me. |
| 16:27 |
trinque |
Ideapod has given me courage to share my insights with its delightful community and made me realise that the problem wasn't my personal content, but my personal context. " |
| 16:27 |
trinque |
ahahahah |
| 16:27 |
ascii_field |
waiwat |
| 16:27 |
trinque |
yep given the right spotlight, any hag becomes irresistable |
| 16:27 |
trinque |
that's what I just learned |
| 16:28 |
trinque |
get enough of those together and "progress concentrate" starts to form, which can be bottled and sold at Whole Foods |
| 16:28 |
ascii_field |
menstruade (TM) |
| 16:29 |
nubbins` |
batorade (tm) |
| 16:29 |
trinque |
bahaha, either works |
| 16:29 |
trinque |
o look a poem https://www.ideapod.com/idea/54c70f5477656217dcfc0400 |
| 16:29 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BME62c ) |
| 16:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9946 @ 0.00023349 = 2.3223 BTC [+] |
| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:47 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/gC3AHbA |
| 16:47 |
assbot |
My copy machine was programmed not to completely copy money - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BMFsu2 ) |
| 16:48 |
ascii_field |
'my targeting computer was programmed not to fire at usg' |
| 16:49 |
ascii_field |
anybody recall the gps-boobytrapped cnc mills thread |
| 16:49 |
ascii_field |
? |
| 16:51 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2014#439853 |
| 16:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 09-01-2014 02:38:52; asciilifeform: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/dmg-mori-gildemeister-maho-cnc/mori-ellison-gyroscope-unlocking-273841/ |
| 16:51 |
ascii_field |
'We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them. Due to some business changes, we want to move the machines around the shop floor to reconfigure our machining cell however as we've done more research, we've found that there is a small board in the electrical panel of the machine that houses a gyroscope so that if the machine is moved/tilted, |
| 16:51 |
ascii_field |
it will lock out the machine.' |
| 16:52 |
ascii_field |
^ vintage thread. but reposted for the record |
| 16:52 |
ascii_field |
this is what usg-mandated code looks like. |
| 16:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75438 @ 0.000236 = 17.8034 BTC [+] {6} |
| 17:00 |
nubbins` |
i recall that |
| 17:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15826 @ 0.00025392 = 4.0185 BTC [+] |
| 17:16 |
thestringpuller |
!up ascii_field |
| 17:20 |
nubbins` |
!s turdel |
| 17:20 |
assbot |
2 results for 'turdel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=turdel |
| 17:20 |
jurov |
<fluffypony> Romania: Internet vs. Roads << slovakia the same |
| 17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony yup. pretty much exactly. |
| 17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
<assbot> The User is Drunk ... << why not go all the way and admit it. "the user is stupid, therefore worthless. so am i. please pay me money because worthless idiots are people too. HUMAN RIGHTS ARE IRREVERSIBLE!!11" |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
https://plasso.co/richard.littauer@gmail.com << genius. let's use emails as urls. |
| 17:24 |
assbot |
Pay: Richard Littauer ... ( http://bit.ly/18Y6Puq ) |
| 17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque oddly that thing doesn't load any content for me. either im not drunk enough or you broke it. |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`> batorade (tm) << secreted by the batshit insane ? |
| 17:26 |
nubbins` |
it still rhymes with gatorade! |
| 17:26 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: you're not missing anything |
| 17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the "Copy machine money" : this is a sad necessity. if it weren't present, muppets WOULD "try it", and discover "it works", and srsly financial collapse. for real. |
| 17:28 |
trinque |
the great canon pixma revolution of 2018 |
| 17:28 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: they did try, and result could only fool a muppet |
| 17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
which is 90% of people engaged in commerce. |
| 17:28 |
ascii_field |
and it takes some actual work to bleach a 1usd note to get anything like plausible paper for benjie |
| 17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
check it out, bitcointalk scams fooled tons of "early adopters", "world changers" etc. |
| 17:28 |
ascii_field |
different game. 'they wanted to believe' |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field im talking money cut out of a fucking notebook. |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
so do these ? |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly same game. |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
where's that video. |
| 17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google christina applegate buys a car with kellog's cornflakes cutoutsd. |
| 17:31 |
gribble |
No matches found. |
| 17:31 |
ascii_field |
(phun phact for non-u.s. folks: all u.s. dollar notes have exactly the same physical dimensions.) |
| 17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, well, google... that just means you're useless. |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field i don't get it. who would "buy" such a thing ? |
| 17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
we're not talking 100 bucks for a piece of plastic here. |
| 17:39 |
ascii_field |
wai wat |
| 17:39 |
ascii_field |
buy what |
| 17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
'We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them." |
| 17:39 |
ascii_field |
aha, as in 'who would buy a boeing' ? |
| 17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"a company, not a person - or in other words nobody" |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta love the systematic nature of stupid. |
| 17:40 |
ascii_field |
i thought mircea_popescu was asking why a firm would purchase rather than lease the machines |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
they paid them, it's not a lease anymore. |
| 17:41 |
ascii_field |
aha |
| 17:41 |
* |
ascii_field thought that mircea_popescu was asking why the machines are offered for purchase rather than, as often happens with such equipment, for lease |
| 17:41 |
trinque |
should've sued instead of just thanking the tech for restoring access to their property |
| 17:41 |
ascii_field |
trinque: you 'agree' when you buy |
| 17:41 |
ascii_field |
to the crapolade |
| 17:41 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque im thinking the same, this is something readily resolved in court. |
| 17:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field you agree never to move it ? |
| 17:41 |
mircea_popescu |
why ? |
| 17:42 |
ascii_field |
you agree to pay $$$$$ to move |
| 17:42 |
ascii_field |
because usg inspectors |
| 17:42 |
* |
mircea_popescu is unfamiliar with the field. |
| 17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
what's being inspected specifically ? |
| 17:42 |
ascii_field |
location |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070794 << the SEEDS. nodes constantly discover their own peers. starting from a seed list. |
| 17:43 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 17:37:53; ascii_field: ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated << so, let's go into this in detail. they ship with all the seed ips they will ever have? for the record i proclaim this to be retarded. -keys- are the constants of our world, not ip addrs |
| 17:43 |
trinque |
how hard would it be to break the accelerometer? |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque it probably stops working. |
| 17:43 |
nubbins` |
gzip: turdel.gz: not in gzip format |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field what about it ? |
| 17:43 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: it sure as fuck is a gzip |
| 17:43 |
ascii_field |
wget it |
| 17:43 |
ascii_field |
don't use browser |
| 17:43 |
ascii_field |
(they often unzip) |
| 17:43 |
nubbins` |
o. |
| 17:43 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: someone should have a business doing aftermarket mods on these |
| 17:43 |
nubbins` |
totally what i did. sec. |
| 17:43 |
nubbins` |
(and til!) |
| 17:43 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: what about it << it being in a usg-blessed region |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070795 << there's no such thing desired or even possible. understand : the scam foundation is stupid because it is actually stupid, not because me or you or god said it should be deemed as stupid. |
| 17:44 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 17:39:09; ascii_field: i utterly understand the desire to 'tivoize' these things so they don't get turned into phoundation nodes by lamers. but this can be done without idiot waste. |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
actual hardware is useless for their purposes |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
they need imaginary hardware to support their imaginary "technologies" |
| 17:44 |
ascii_field |
^ my puny brain does not get the meaning of this |
| 17:44 |
ascii_field |
imaginary hardware ? |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 17:44 |
ascii_field |
as in vapourware ? |
| 17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
usgavin's been on a kick about this imaginary hardware that will run his 200 trillion jiggabit nodes. |
| 17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
because you know, "it quadruples every two weeks" |
| 17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the pogo gonna do ? |
| 17:45 |
ascii_field |
neh from my perch it looks like they're gearing up for an elementary meat war of conventional nodes |
| 17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
that's what they think they're doing. |
| 17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
understand : they can stand on their fucking head. "vote" ? what fucking vote ? |
| 17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, i'll vote WITH them on the voting stage of things |
| 17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
still rape them once the switch happens. |
| 17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not a discussion of anything but the hard laws. |
| 17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
or w/e hanbot called it |
| 17:46 |
trinque |
hm |
| 17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
so : yeah, usg&friends thinks it's engaging me on its own terms. |
| 17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
and it has been doing this, for years now. |
| 17:46 |
trinque |
is it just a matter of preserving the existing chain? |
| 17:47 |
trinque |
not "winning" in the sense of a fork? |
| 17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
it does not work. might as well grab the moon with a tweezer |
| 17:47 |
trinque |
because they become incompatible, then go off to eventually die? |
| 17:47 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field oh wait this is just a blob, isn't it? |
| 17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"i wonder why that doesn't work, the allignm,ent was perfect!" |
| 17:47 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: it's just a demo kernel for pogo |
| 17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque it autowins the fork. |
| 17:47 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 17:47 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: armv5 binary. nothing earth-shaking |
| 17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
| 17:48 |
nubbins` |
brainfarted and thought you mentioned smth about a uboot being in there |
| 17:48 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: -also- built u-boot |
| 17:48 |
ascii_field |
but not posted |
| 17:48 |
nubbins` |
aha! :D |
| 17:48 |
ascii_field |
and in case anyone needs to be reminded, please don't use downloaded binaries for anything serious |
| 17:48 |
nubbins` |
i was about to flash the nand when i recalled a nebulous something about this |
| 17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field dja get my meaning here ? |
| 17:49 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: if i understand, the meaning is that there is no phoundation node ? |
| 17:49 |
ascii_field |
this still doesn't give us a license to be retarded when making these |
| 17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
there can not be a power ranger node that can run on a pogo. |
| 17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
think about it. 20mb blocks ? srsly ? |
| 17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
no, itdoesn't give us a license to be retarded. |
| 17:49 |
thestringpuller |
20mb is only the limit! |
| 17:49 |
ascii_field |
actually, i can see them trying to convert'em to 0.10 or what it was |
| 17:49 |
thestringpuller |
the blocks will be much smaller |
| 17:49 |
ascii_field |
just to maintain relevance for selves |
| 17:49 |
thestringpuller |
until then! |
| 17:49 |
ascii_field |
and keep us off the stage |
| 17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but if you imagine there's any room in the spec of this thing for the end user to fiddle with it you're ourgiht nuts. |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
fire and forget. |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
only way. |
| 17:50 |
* |
thestringpuller says other pseudo arguments |
| 17:50 |
ascii_field |
hardcoded seeds are retarded |
| 17:50 |
ascii_field |
i stand by this |
| 17:50 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: yeah thought in the shower today that giving an easy way to dump other code into the thing later was a terrible idea |
| 17:50 |
trinque |
all the thing has to do is hold the line |
| 17:50 |
ascii_field |
they -will- be ddosed and sinkholed to usg machines. |
| 17:50 |
ascii_field |
guaranteed. |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque it.costs.20.bux.to.get.one. |
| 17:50 |
trinque |
yeap |
| 17:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00025269 = 3.664 BTC [-] |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf people. srsly. if anyone WANTS TO run a pogo they can |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
they can run fucking madonna videos on it |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
k ? |
| 17:50 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: 20bux + a man with a suitcase to bring it to you, if you're in ar |
| 17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
we are solving third world problems now ? |
| 17:51 |
ascii_field |
and that's while the 20bux machines last. |
| 17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck the third world with a spiked club. if it wasn't made by retards it wouldn't be third. |
| 17:51 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: if we're so non-thirdworld, where's my ic fab ? |
| 17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
these are different problems omg. |
| 17:52 |
ascii_field |
fact is, 101st or 202nd pogo, whichever, will cost $maxint. |
| 17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
the mexican billionaire w/e his name is has his own ic fab made out of driewd cunt juice./ |
| 17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
| 17:52 |
ascii_field |
so we're thirdworld. or we wouldn't be playing junkyard wars. |
| 17:52 |
ascii_field |
or do i misunderstand the term |
| 17:53 |
thestringpuller |
how is this anything like junk yard wars? |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: we're repurposing obsolete hardware |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
rather than fabbing single-chip node |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
from ore |
| 17:53 |
trinque |
an AK is a great gun |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
!s izhevsk |
| 17:53 |
assbot |
4 results for 'izhevsk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=izhevsk |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
^ mandatory |
| 17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i think you misunderstand the term. |
| 17:53 |
ascii_field |
hm? |
| 17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway : forget argentina, and forget the anecdotal peculiarities of my odd choices in things. |
| 17:54 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: this seems more like battlebots than junkyard wars. (Junkyard wars reminds me more of ed edd and eddie which was pretty much all junkyard hacking" |
| 17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a consumer product, it works like a consumer product. once it stops working it gets thrown out. |
| 17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
it is not an item to be loved, dreamed about, repaired, tuned etc. |
| 17:55 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: i get this. but we're dealing with a fundamental case of amplification attack. |
| 17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
specifically ? |
| 17:55 |
ascii_field |
enemy can cost us K by spending J, where J is close to nil and K is positive |
| 17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
sp.eci.fi.cally!!111 |
| 17:55 |
ascii_field |
they ddos the magic ips - or worse, silently redirect to own boxes |
| 17:55 |
ascii_field |
and we have to parachute new units ? |
| 17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 17:56 |
ascii_field |
i say this is retarded |
| 17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
for the cost of this project, i wish to see large scale ip diddling |
| 17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i totally wish to see it. |
| |
↖ |
| 17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, ima make a blog post about it. |
| 17:56 |
ascii_field |
just for mircea_popescu's pleasure they will do straight sinkhole |
| 17:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00025269 = 1.3645 BTC [-] |
| 17:56 |
ascii_field |
instead of diddlage |
| 17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and this won't be all over the internets, either. |
| 17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
dja see how the fucking attacked ips are actually more valuable than the damned pogos ? |
| 17:57 |
ascii_field |
at any rate, -we won't know- that it's pointing to usg boxes emulating our nodes |
| 17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 17:57 |
ascii_field |
there is no mechanism for distinguishing a correctly operating node from one that will be until day X |
| 17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
overengineering is like cocaine. |
| 17:58 |
ascii_field |
the fucking attacked ips are actually more valuable than the damned pogos << they are not valuable because we can never prove they exist |
| 17:58 |
ascii_field |
even to our own satisfaction |
| 17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
| 17:58 |
ascii_field |
i'll spell it out: |
| 17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
because they only exist halfway, like competent usg and able nsa ? |
| 17:58 |
ascii_field |
1) we deploy boxes with magic ips |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
2) usg redirects them to exact copies of our own boxes sitting in ft meade |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
3) ages pass and we notice nothing. they switch theirs off when ours go off, etc. direct mitm |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
orly. |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
no measurable latency of this |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
4) on day X they turn on the mitm diddlamatic and do... something |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
5) ??? |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
6) profit |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
what fucking profit lol. |
| 17:59 |
ascii_field |
ask'em not me |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ft meade gets to look like a kiddy pool i took a piss in |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
total profit. |
| 18:00 |
nubbins` |
so deploy them with magic ips and "check here monthly for updated seed list, the walls have eyes, sam is in the trees, etc" |
| 18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
wron side of the scoreboard, but sure, profit. |
| 18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` that's a concentration of the problem. |
| 18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
now you have a "here" |
| 18:00 |
nubbins` |
the original seed list is a "here" |
| 18:00 |
ascii_field |
precisely why i didn't say 'network update' |
| 18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
right but you're adding a narrower version. |
| 18:00 |
nubbins` |
(and there, and there, and there...) |
| 18:00 |
ascii_field |
i said 'will eat update signed by key' |
| 18:01 |
ascii_field |
the key in mircea_popescu's ring, or wherever |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field if you're so absolutely convinced, how about seedlist is a config file sits with blockchain on disk ? |
| 18:01 |
trinque |
ascii_field: that's what I proposed |
| 18:01 |
ascii_field |
aha |
| 18:01 |
ascii_field |
that was what i asked for |
| 18:01 |
trinque |
an address sending transactions which indicate hashes of updates |
| 18:01 |
trinque |
of the seedlist, whatever |
| 18:01 |
trinque |
and yeah, then somebody is a point of failure |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field seemed to me you're asking for an entirely something erlse, but anyway |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc you were asking for a complex update gpg signature thing. not for a simple "move x text file from /sda to /sdb" |
| 18:03 |
nubbins` |
<+mircea_popescu> right but you're adding a narrower version. << so "check the usual places monthly", w/e |
| 18:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16171 @ 0.00024929 = 4.0313 BTC [-] {2} |
| 18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` if it's not narrower just make it the seed list. bam back to square one. |
| 18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
you're trying to jump a fence by crawling on your back. |
| 18:04 |
* |
nubbins` shakes head |
| 18:04 |
trinque |
what if the seed list was encoded directly as transactions? |
| 18:05 |
nubbins` |
monthly state of bitcoin address, "check out these sweet seed ips" |
| 18:05 |
trinque |
trusted after some large number of confirmations |
| 18:05 |
trinque |
nubbins`: yeha. |
| 18:05 |
nubbins` |
"feel free to update the seed list that came w/ your device" |
| 18:05 |
nubbins` |
"it's been signed by us and our pubkeys shipped with your device" |
| 18:05 |
trinque |
I'm not even saying that |
| 18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
motherfucker. |
| 18:05 |
nubbins` |
THEN you only need to worry about the NSA intercepting the shipments. |
| 18:05 |
trinque |
encode IPs into outputs or something |
| 18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
build a cnc mill in every pogo, be done with it. |
| 18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
they could make dildos while brushing gf's teeth. |
| 18:06 |
nubbins` |
<+trinque> what if the seed list was encoded directly as transactions? <<< how you gonna get those transactions? |
| 18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
by infinite power. |
| 18:07 |
* |
mircea_popescu passes out "you suck at system design" dounce hats liberally. |
| 18:07 |
trinque |
eh ok |
| 18:07 |
* |
nubbins` sighs |
| 18:07 |
trinque |
obviously the thing has to connect to something first |
| 18:08 |
trinque |
if you wanted it to connect to other somethings later, either the natural way or some means of signaling |
| 18:08 |
nubbins` |
i'm suggesting shipping them with a hardcoded seed list *just like you are* |
| 18:08 |
trinque |
if you can't trust a txn that's very old, uh |
| 18:08 |
trinque |
bitcoin doesn't work |
| 18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` do you mind ? i'm being mean over here. |
| 18:08 |
nubbins` |
i'm just also saying that /new seeds can be published in the future by the .foundation, if they want to/ |
| 18:08 |
* |
nubbins` tips table over |
| 18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
was that a laser tip or an artisanal tip ? |
| 18:09 |
nubbins` |
mushroom tip |
| 18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
jus' the tip! |
| 18:09 |
nubbins` |
's all that fits |
| 18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
(im kinda nonplussed that nobody even seems to realise seed list is only interesting on boot and these aren't intended to ever reboot, really.) |
| 18:10 |
trinque |
comcast will eventually go out |
| 18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
boot. not network outage. |
| 18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
how often does your 1.8 watt thing drain the ups ? |
| 18:11 |
trinque |
if they're consumer turds no ups |
| 18:11 |
nubbins` |
once every whoops i unplugged it |
| 18:11 |
trinque |
"fucking around behind the TV" |
| 18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` onoes, you ruined 20 bux worht of old gear (plus shipping and handling!) |
| 18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
buy two plug them in diff bedrooms. |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
this is hopw the problem is solved in this space : buy more units. |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess nobody ever played zerg hm ? |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
"dude that zergling's broken" "mmkay" "aren't you going to repair it ?" "wut ?! *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*" |
| 18:13 |
nubbins` |
nobody's gonna pay ten cents for something that breaks if you turn it off |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
it breaks if you turn it off && fort meade floats in the air above your house. |
| 18:14 |
nubbins` |
ha. |
| 18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
also known as, not a single seed ip remains. |
| 18:14 |
trinque |
anyhow I think any remote control of any kind is bad, mkay |
| 18:14 |
trinque |
but if they need some kind of signaling, signaling by blockchain is probably the safest |
| 18:14 |
trinque |
not "we trust this pastebin" or w/e |
| 18:14 |
trinque |
even gpg signed |
| 18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
in general. not when you're signalling how to get the blockchain. |
| 18:15 |
* |
trinque goes to find the length of the longest-ever fork |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
rather, fork which was abandoned |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, the "this thing breaks if it runs out of power at any point after the enemy (or more likely plain old rust) has destroyedall seed ips" proposition is better value than |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
"this thing breaks iof there's a bug found in gpg. or if we didn't implement signature checking correctly. or or or or" |
| 18:16 |
nubbins` |
trinque for all you know i forked the blockchain 2 years ago and am still shuffling my forked coins |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque not an answerable q. |
| 18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
(and before anyone goes "how could we implement signature checking incorrectly", this was discussed mere days ago. === "no errors found" or what was it) |
| 18:18 |
trinque |
nubbins`: you can declare you've spent my coin? and others will be able to verify this? |
| 18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
| 18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque they can be empty blocks, still a fork. |
| 18:18 |
nubbins` |
trinque that's not what you were looking for 8) |
| 18:19 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu so are you proposing that all pogos ever sent out will contain 0.5.3.1 or w/e current release is when the first one goes out? |
| 18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
| 18:19 |
nubbins` |
then it's sort of a self-solving problem |
| 18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i propose whoever makes one puts w/e the fuck they want in there and that's that for the damned unit in question |
| 18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
and if you want to change, derp. change the production flux. |
| 18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, like industry works since fortever. not like ford mondeo got recalled because hey, they got ford fluence out, so they'll conver them |
| 18:20 |
nubbins` |
obviously if the foundation is still producing new releases, it's going to be maintaining a seed list for that release, rather than just continuing to let the dead nodes build up |
| 18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
ok. |
| 18:20 |
nubbins` |
so if anyone particularly feels like they don't want their out of date unit to be so |
| 18:20 |
nubbins` |
they're 100% welcome to grab the latest foundation release, because obv it'll still work |
| 18:20 |
nubbins` |
it's just off-label usage as far as we're concerned. |
| 18:21 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field ^^ ? |
| 18:21 |
danielpbarron |
i know "time isn't really money" but however long it takes to upgrade one of these things is probably enough time to earn more than 20 USD working at McDonalds |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron the (actually sound) argument is that they won't be 20 forever, we're eating up a bubble of externalised cost. |
| 18:22 |
jurov |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1071312 why, yes, this has been done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_blocking_access_to_The_Pirate_Bay |
| 18:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 21:56:26; mircea_popescu: i totally wish to see it. |
| 18:22 |
assbot |
Countries blocking access to The Pirate Bay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nhf4PC ) |
| 18:22 |
trinque |
heh! |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i am not seeing it can not be done. |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i am seeing i wish to see it done, for us. |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
s/seeing/saying/ |
| 18:23 |
jurov |
lolk |
| 18:24 |
jurov |
i see, it actually helped thepirateby immensely |
| 18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
they ARE making political parties and getting various lawmaker seats because of it. |
| 18:25 |
jurov |
and alf will finally get his dreamed out gasenwagen too |
| 18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
well he wanted to meet o'brien. |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
was in meeting |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
bak |
| 18:29 |
danielpbarron |
https://youtu.be/f-6UwDP23s4?t=1m46s |
| 18:30 |
assbot |
Seinfeld - George Hates the Jews - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhfXaR ) |
| 18:30 |
trinque |
beat the thing one more time... publishing say a magnet link from a known address to an address or addresses representing a bittorrent magnet link seems a fine way to be able to trust shuffling bits out to nodes if that were wanted |
| 18:30 |
ascii_field |
aarrgh |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
lawl. |
| 18:30 |
trinque |
pub/priv-key encrypt either works or doesn't, sha256 either works or doesn't |
| 18:30 |
ascii_field |
trinque: mircea_popescu was alluding to protocol finesse |
| 18:31 |
ascii_field |
rather than cryptobreak |
| 18:31 |
ascii_field |
as in, e.g., the 'der' idiocy |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just more hard work to read the shit. which is work. which we don't fucking hasve the time for. |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
let's do only the things that are useful. |
| 18:32 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: 100% granted, that is a fine reason not to do it |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm in no case saying that w/e, any one in b-a *couldn't * correctly implement what alf is proposing./ |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i am however saying that no one here can implement it in zero time. |
| 18:32 |
* |
ascii_field can probably implement it in less time than building linux 3.18 took |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
wouldja stop ?! omai gawd. |
| 18:33 |
* |
ascii_field wishes to ask mircea_popescu for a favourite tarball of gpg, signed |
| 18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
dude keeps exposing himself to these cardano by xmas type of things. why all the self hate yo! |
| 18:33 |
ascii_field |
http://xkcd.com/1425 << obligatory |
| 18:33 |
assbot |
xkcd: Tasks ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZveh0 ) |
| 18:33 |
brendafdez |
;;later tell BingoBoingo it doesn't like me. says too many redirects. links says same. http://i.imgur.com/P5BZM7y.png |
| 18:33 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CZvgFv ) |
| 18:34 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
just forget it, srsly. seed list can live on hdd with blockchain if the notion of hardcoded magic ip numbers makes you retch |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a completely sufficient solution here, lettuce move on. |
| 18:35 |
* |
ascii_field will build rootfs tonight |
| 18:35 |
ascii_field |
for pogo/linux |
| 18:36 |
ascii_field |
if anyone has notions of what cmdline utils ought to be included - please say. |
| 18:36 |
ascii_field |
brb, car. |
| 18:36 |
danielpbarron |
tail |
| 18:36 |
danielpbarron |
ps |
| 18:36 |
danielpbarron |
top |
| 18:36 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: that's all in busybox iirc |
| 18:36 |
danielpbarron |
grep |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
maybe not top, dunno |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
neh top is |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html |
| 18:37 |
assbot |
BusyBox - The Swiss Army Knife of Embedded Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhgLfO ) |
| 18:37 |
danielpbarron |
top might not be needed; i'm just listing the things I use on a regular basis on pogo |
| 18:37 |
danielpbarron |
i use top to watch for when bitcoind is done throwing a tantrum |
| 18:39 |
danielpbarron |
oh, sshd |
| 18:39 |
trinque |
if they're fire and forget anything that needs an open port is an attack vector |
| 18:40 |
danielpbarron |
in that case, none of what i just listed is needed |
| 18:41 |
trinque |
the disposable RTS unit thing rings true |
| 18:42 |
trinque |
the guy who buys this either can service, can buy a new one, or fuck off.. there's no support staff |
| 18:42 |
danielpbarron |
if the thing ascii is making will not sshd, anyone who wishes to help test will need to "adulterate" their pogo |
| 18:42 |
* |
trinque has simply read too much loper os, the blockchain telegraphy one in particular |
| 18:46 |
jurov |
did you solve the clock, does it need time sync at all? |
| 18:46 |
trinque |
bwah hah ha |
| 18:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00023389 = 2.0933 BTC [-] |
| 18:53 |
trinque |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2015#993360 |
| 18:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-01-2015 01:58:25; asciilifeform: ^ above code will have to be changed to actually set the machine clock ? |
| 18:54 |
trinque |
^ relevant perhaps, found via googling, heh! not via logs.b-a search |
| 18:56 |
trinque |
!up CheckDavid |
| 19:01 |
trinque |
!up mixdio |
| 19:01 |
nubbins` |
<+danielpbarron> if the thing ascii is making will not sshd, anyone who wishes to help test will need to "adulterate" their pogo <<< plz to sshd! |
| 19:02 |
trinque |
if you give a mouse an sshd he's going to want his pubkey added |
| 19:02 |
danielpbarron |
it sounds like a very hard thing to do if you've never soldered before, but think of it as a good excuse to learn a new skill |
| 19:03 |
danielpbarron |
and it's not /so/ hard |
| 19:03 |
nubbins` |
i'm not soldering anything into more than one unit |
| 19:03 |
danielpbarron |
you only need one |
| 19:03 |
nubbins` |
wait, test, heh |
| 19:04 |
trinque |
my VPS has something attacking it at the moment, lol |
| 19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
brendafdez try now. |
| 19:04 |
trinque |
really wants to ssh in |
| 19:04 |
nubbins` |
anyway for the sake of popping it in there, keep sshd |
| 19:05 |
brendafdez |
mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. |
| 19:06 |
BingoBoingo |
The insanity would really be not filtering |
| 19:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18380 @ 0.00024063 = 4.4228 BTC [+] {2} |
| 19:11 |
mod6 |
<+danielpbarron> top << instead of this heavy weight bs, vmstat |
| 19:12 |
* |
mod6 has never liked top much |
| 19:12 |
trinque |
seems irrelevant, if you're in, you can already install stuff |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
<jurov> did you solve the clock, does it need time sync at all? << REAL CLOCKS KEEP THEIR OWN TIME! |
| 19:16 |
danielpbarron |
trinque> really wants to ssh in << me too |
| 19:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.0002424 = 5.1389 BTC [+] {2} |
| 19:16 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: nah I was talking about a bot attacking my VPS |
| 19:16 |
danielpbarron |
yeah me too |
| 19:16 |
trinque |
oh lol |
| 19:21 |
trinque |
hah I stopped getting hit when I mentioned it here |
| 19:21 |
mod6 |
does anyone know where I might be able to get a gentoo vm? |
| 19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070848 << lawl |
| 19:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 17:48:05; ascii_field: (who don't appear to be logged in at present, but, still) |
| 19:21 |
mod6 |
digitalocean has ubuntu/freebsd/fedora/debian/coreos/centos |
| 19:22 |
trinque |
mod6: I've got gentoo up on ec2 |
| 19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070912 << this bit of nubbsy wisdom is perhaps the pivot for understanding what's to understand in this pogo debate. |
| 19:23 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 18:04:25; ben_vulpes: there is no friend/foe |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
there literally is no enemy. there can't be. bitcoin is agnostic in this sense. |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the only option agents have is whether to exist or not exist. |
| 19:24 |
mod6 |
trinque: ah, ok. thanks. i think i'll try to set up a local one first. my env is x86_64, but maybe vbox will let me run a x86_32 environment |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no lever to toggle from enemy to friend or w/e. |
| 19:24 |
trinque |
mod6: https://rich0gentoo.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/gentoo-ec2-tutorial-bootstrapping/ << might be helpful |
| 19:24 |
assbot |
Gentoo EC2 Tutorial / Bootstrapping | Rich0's Gentoo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9Xcbb ) |
| 19:24 |
mod6 |
thanks |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070918 << spot-check ?! why spot check. you check. |
| 19:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 18:04:58; ben_vulpes: and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070932 << quite. ip6 doesn't exist for this purpose yet. |
| 19:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 18:07:41; ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i recommend strongly against ipv6 in this machine |
| 19:26 |
mod6 |
is there a preferred version of gentoo that I should test on? |
| 19:27 |
trinque |
wow. seriously, entries in auth.log every couple seconds until *just now* |
| 19:27 |
trinque |
IPs from all over china |
| 19:27 |
* |
trinque chuckles |
| 19:27 |
mod6 |
danielpbarron: what version of gentoo are you using? |
| 19:30 |
danielpbarron |
3.17.8-gentoo-r1 |
| 19:31 |
mod6 |
thanks :] |
| 19:32 |
danielpbarron |
trinque, same here |
| 19:32 |
danielpbarron |
wtf |
| 19:32 |
mod6 |
im confused here... |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
pastebin ips ? |
| 19:32 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: get ye some fail2ban |
| 19:32 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: yeah I will |
| 19:32 |
trinque |
and sign |
| 19:32 |
nubbins` |
sorry guise, misconfig on my chinese node botnet |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
well both of you, and compare. |
| 19:33 |
mod6 |
is it called "stage3"? is this an appropriate iso? http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/current-stage3-i686/install-x86-minimal-20150324.iso |
| 19:35 |
danielpbarron |
http://danielpbarron.com/sshd-fail.txt |
| 19:35 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1N9Z9EB ) |
| 19:36 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: oh yeah, I've got those IPs |
| 19:36 |
trinque |
pasting in a sec |
| 19:37 |
* |
mircea_popescu idly looks |
| 19:38 |
danielpbarron |
someone is also doing the same to another ip address i have |
| 19:39 |
danielpbarron |
Blocking 103.41.124.173:4 for >630secs: 40 danger in 4 attacks over 8 seconds |
| 19:39 |
nubbins` |
height=200150! |
| 19:41 |
jurov |
mod6 stage3 yes |
| 19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
http://dpaste.com/18KNR7V << this is how a day of trilema looks like. average, 1-200 derps try. |
| 19:41 |
assbot |
dpaste: 18KNR7V ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na0dbo ) |
| 19:42 |
jurov |
just move the sshd to alternative port (best if it isn't in nmap shortlist) |
| 19:43 |
mod6 |
thanks jurov |
| 19:43 |
danielpbarron |
https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/580856115312738304 |
| 19:43 |
assbot |
Moderator asks audience, "Who here thinks there will be a hard fork missile crisis?" /petertoddbtc raises his hand. |
| 19:46 |
asciilifeform |
l0l wat |
| 19:48 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: blockchain telegraphy << bootstrap flyer. you don't have a blockchain when the thing powers up |
| 19:48 |
asciilifeform |
sshd << i will include 'dropbear' (cut-down sshd used in routers) for the dev build. i don't expect to see it in the battlefield build. |
| 19:49 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: there literally is no enemy... << this is a tough nut to crack, could use explanation |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform recall the ancient discussion re "what if nsa held a bunch of btc" ? |
| 19:50 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the only option agents have is whether to exist or not exist << their purpose is to un-exist us. |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron where was this ? |
| |
↖ |
| 19:50 |
asciilifeform |
spot-check ?! why spot check. you check << see latest thread re: tandem |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform but there isn't a box in the windoze to input that purpose. |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the big deal here. |
| 19:52 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: sshd-fail.txt << a balanced diet of 1) nonstandard port for the demon 2) 'fail2ban' or equivalent 3) just not giving a fuck - works for me |
| 19:52 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: the notable part is that attack stopped for both of us when I mentioned it |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i think you may have a genetic explanation of intelligence there. |
| 19:53 |
asciilifeform |
wawat |
| 19:53 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2015/03/shavers-enters-not-guilty-plea/ |
| 19:53 |
assbot |
Shavers Enters Not Guilty Plea | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na2CD6 ) |
| 19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
(me last year, waiting for cab with dude in timisoara. cab kinda late. me : "check it out, i'ma light a cigarette and by the magical magic of smoking, it'll show up immediately. |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
mp lights cigarette, cab turns in immediately, mp is revered as god by the kid in question.) |
| 19:54 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: where does it end in your log? |
| 19:54 |
* |
asciilifeform routinely refers to umbrella as 'rain eliminator' |
| 19:54 |
asciilifeform |
(just as much as the cig is a cab-summoner!) |
| 19:54 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> (me last year, waiting for cab with dude in timisoara. cab kinda late. me : "check it out, i'ma light a cigarette and by the magical magic of smoking, it'll show up immediately. << Most well known phenomenon associated with tobacco use |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
correlation of pseudorandom variables is a wonderfuil thing |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!up jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
| 19:56 |
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
Yo |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 19:57 |
trinque |
notably the thing never tries any username obviously associated with public info about me |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
thanks god for autotab. |
| 19:57 |
trinque |
just strange |
| 19:57 |
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
Aha what |
| 19:57 |
asciilifeform |
meowmix ? |
| 19:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00023937 = 2.2022 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:58 |
trinque |
probably chinese bots just crawling the internet for hostnames to poke |
| 19:58 |
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
Meowmix is a cat food |
| 19:58 |
asciilifeform |
it is also a bozo who connects from jfdjdjdjdjrejeii's slash24 |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
Mar 09 20:39:38 *HFSPLUS (~Hannspree@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 16 18:12:52 *Hannspree23 (~Hannspree@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 21 00:25:18 *ponyslaystation (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 21 00:28:21 *ponyslaystation (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-ass |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ets Mar 21 19:48:59 *KatelynT (~KatelynT4@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 22 16:33:52 *fhiejeurjjurru (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 25 21:00:53 *jfdjdjdjdjrejeii (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
for completeness. |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i dun recall, who was that dude ? |
| 20:03 |
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
Bsrack obama? |
| 20:05 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: http://dpaste.com/3EVB8XP |
| 20:05 |
assbot |
dpaste: 3EVB8XP: fuckbag IPs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4A6k ) |
| 20:05 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: who was that dude << no idea, my best hypothesis is that he isn't alive at all but a script |
| 20:05 |
nubbins` |
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii did you? |
| 20:05 |
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
Yeah im a troll whatever |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/4be4d9998c39d363099cc70e5b73b674/tumblr_nlrycyiKM21sgp77yo1_1280.jpg << the ows movement that didn't make it into gawker. |
| 20:06 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4NGA ) |
| 20:06 |
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
Who has an xbox one? |
| 20:06 |
jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
I kick there ass in cod |
| 20:07 |
trinque |
!down jfdjdjdjdjrejeii |
| 20:08 |
trinque |
log shows a connect attempt every 1-2sec until Mar 25 16:33:40 PST |
| 20:09 |
mod6 |
somehow i dl'd a live cd? o.O |
| 20:10 |
nubbins` |
nb |
| 20:12 |
trinque |
also PSA, ec2's firewall thing now does outbound rules too |
| 20:14 |
mod6 |
can anyone direct me to a installable gentoo iso for x86_32 |
| 20:14 |
mod6 |
this is annoying. sorry. |
| 20:14 |
mod6 |
(non-live cd) |
| 20:15 |
trinque |
that's how you install it |
| 20:15 |
trinque |
boot the livecd then follow the handbook |
| 20:15 |
mod6 |
it is? |
| 20:15 |
trinque |
yeah |
| 20:15 |
mod6 |
D: |
| 20:15 |
trinque |
it's not that bad |
| 20:15 |
trinque |
great way to become acquainted with the internals too |
| 20:16 |
mod6 |
we shuold just support slackware from floppy disks |
| 20:16 |
trinque |
boot cd -> partition drive -> untar stage3 -> build kernel -> set up grub |
| 20:16 |
trinque |
with some handwaving along the way |
| 20:17 |
mod6 |
dear lord |
| 20:17 |
mod6 |
if i use aws do i get to bypass this bullshit? |
| 20:17 |
trinque |
mod6: these guys have their own gentoo AMIs if you trust 'em http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/gentoo-in-the-cloud/ |
| 20:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Na76JM ) |
| 20:18 |
trinque |
otherwise those bootstrap instructions are in order |
| 20:18 |
jurov |
mod6 what's the problem with handbook? |
| 20:19 |
mod6 |
i wanna just work on bitcoin, not learn the in's and out's of gentoo :P |
| 20:19 |
mod6 |
*sigh* |
| 20:19 |
mod6 |
guess i'll give it a whirl. wth. |
| 20:19 |
trinque |
>linux |
| 20:19 |
trinque |
>i just wanna |
| 20:19 |
trinque |
lol |
| 20:19 |
mod6 |
*stab* |
| 20:19 |
trinque |
:D |
| 20:19 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbcasks-debate-is-politics-broken-1.3008834 |
| 20:19 |
assbot |
#CBCAsks debate: Is politics broken? - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na7tUJ ) |
| 20:19 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 20:20 |
mike_c |
mod6: helpful? http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/pygoscelis-papua/ |
| 20:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GoGhQd ) |
| 20:20 |
trinque |
mike_c: yeh that's the one I linked |
| 20:21 |
jurov |
"Starting in January 2015, we will ... cease building the 32-bit images" |
| 20:21 |
mike_c |
yeah, but there are still some on there |
| 20:21 |
mike_c |
from last november |
| 20:21 |
trinque |
https://www.niftiestsoftware.com/2011/09/24/converting-a-virtualbox-vm-to-an-ec2-ami/ << also possible |
| 20:21 |
assbot |
Converting a VirtualBox VM to an EC2 AMI | Niftiest Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoGK53 ) |
| 20:22 |
jurov |
mod6 alternatively you can hire someone to configure the system *nudge* *wink* |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
argentina is so musically fucking weird omg... |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
they all sing the same song. they all sing the SAME SONG |
| 20:26 |
nubbins` |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ay6u/almost_10_more_full_nodes_since_this_morning/ |
| 20:26 |
assbot |
Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoHWoX ) |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the same song. they sing it. same. song. |
| 20:26 |
nubbins` |
heh! |
| 20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, the competition is called "mp said the nodes are the weakest point of bitcoin, bitcoin ppls are fixing it" |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
what song ? |
| 20:29 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu: maybe not. could be a much dumber reason. "It's all one node just with 600 addresses. This is what happens when you fucking pay people to sybil attack the network." |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOGFENyGJM << |
| 20:29 |
assbot |
"BRASIL DECIME QUE SE SIENTE" CON LETRA HD - "Hit" de los Hinchas Argentinos en Brasil - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na9xMA ) |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
they change the words. but the song fprever the same. no matter what happens. this is the song. |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
and amusingly they think it's some pop rock of the 70s. |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c the notion of "counting nodes" is bizarre in the first place. |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
why not count "water taps" while at it. |
| 20:32 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, most infrastructure nodes i know of work on SOME SORT ofload balancing or othewr, necessarily thus exposing variable ips to the world etc. |
| 20:34 |
nubbins` |
<nubbins`> anyway, only counting 0.8.x and above, that's like giving a population count of every country in the world, but excluding everyone under 5 feet tall. |
| 20:34 |
nubbins` |
and also only measuring the head of each household |
| 20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9c8248cf59d3897128ba0917e70e831a/tumblr_njxlug21jx1r3tor7o1_1280.jpg |
| 20:35 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GoKxiP ) |
| 20:35 |
nubbins` |
i didn't know you were a foodie |
| 20:35 |
mike_c |
do they give any justification for the version requirement? |
| 20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
who they ? |
| 20:37 |
mike_c |
this retarded australian |
| 20:37 |
mike_c |
and/or the phoundation. |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
dawg... you wanna see comedy look through the foudnation voting thing. what justification ? |
| 20:37 |
nubbins` |
'cause there was totally a hard fork duod. |
| 20:38 |
nubbins` |
earlier than 0.8 won't work |
| 20:38 |
nubbins` |
duod |
| 20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a wonder they find the fridge 5 times a week |
| 20:38 |
nubbins` |
because changing a config setting in a peripheral piece of software is a fork |
| 20:38 |
nubbins` |
(duod) |
| 20:38 |
nubbins` |
http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/307ihi/til_that_when_a_cockroach_touches_a_human_it_runs/cpq3jky?context=3 |
| 20:38 |
assbot |
goosegoosegoosegoose comments on TIL that when a cockroach touches a human it runs to safety to clean itself ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoLqIc ) |
| 20:39 |
mike_c |
ah, the great accident was around that version. |
| 20:39 |
nubbins` |
"My husband pushes me over to the sink and shoves my head under the faucet, trying to flush it out, but every millimeter of space in my ear is full of horrific cockroach. For some reason, he pulls my pajama top off. I still ask him why, but he doesn't know. Either he didn't want my shirt to get wet, or titties." |
| 20:39 |
mod6 |
ok so what version of stage3 are people using from the mirror? 12.1, 12.0, 11.2... ? |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` hey, changing the world right ? like that chick changing they into whey or w/e |
| 20:39 |
mod6 |
jurov: lol, this is supposed be a "quick" setup and test. didn't think it'd be a three hour tour. |
| 20:39 |
mike_c |
so use the ami.. |
| 20:39 |
mod6 |
or have to hire a captain |
| 20:40 |
mike_c |
you'll be up in 5 mins. |
| 20:40 |
mod6 |
yah ok. fts |
| 20:41 |
nubbins` |
hi marteen |
| 20:41 |
marteen |
hi nubbins` :) |
| 20:41 |
nubbins` |
qu'est-ce que c'est? |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i guess some folks don't own vacuum pumps ? |
| 20:41 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu: life's too short to read the foundation forum. i flipped the bozo bit on them, no more research required :) |
| 20:41 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform vacuum + ear?! |
| 20:42 |
nubbins` |
granted, her eardrum ended up getting shredded anyway. |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: not whole ear! |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: thin nozzle |
| 20:42 |
nubbins` |
ah |
| 20:42 |
nubbins` |
just roach ass |
| 20:42 |
nubbins` |
i'm sure they had at least a turkey baster |
| 20:42 |
nubbins` |
but, y'know. panic. |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` that reddit is the most retarded shit i ever read. |
| 20:43 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu she'll have a series of novels out this year |
| 20:43 |
* |
mircea_popescu got bit by viper, chick in group sucked it out the next moment, me was fine. |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform exactly. |
| 20:43 |
nubbins` |
i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants |
| 20:43 |
jurov |
dunno if you can get any chich to suck out the bug |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
their mouths don't work. |
| 20:43 |
jurov |
*chick |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov so the problem suddenly isn't the bug |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
^^^^ |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"i'll lick out his asshole but fuck take that bug away from me" |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
the problem, if we continue with this valuable train of thought, - is almost never the bug, per se. |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
it is always the available suction. |
| 20:45 |
* |
trinque got ass-bit by a brown recluse once, didn't bitch as much as the story |
| 20:45 |
trinque |
complete with dying flesh |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
notice that the idiots in question cost an emergency call, an er visit plus an emt visit later |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
plus drugs. hours out of the lives of a dozen + people, all supposedly skilled. |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
this is about as sustainable as a tower of liquid piss in the shape of roosevelt's wheelchair. |
| 20:45 |
nubbins` |
once, while on vacation, my mom got bitten on the face a couple times by some sort of spider |
| 20:46 |
nubbins` |
got all stiff etc |
| 20:46 |
nubbins` |
had to go to an AMERICAN HOSPITAL |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`> i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants << for one thing fire ants are more exotic than vipers in carpathians. for the other, i would bet a lot more painful. poor snake's drastically overhyped |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
(so is scorpion, for that matter. most don't kill or anything) |
| 20:47 |
nubbins` |
it def didn't tickle |
| 20:47 |
nubbins` |
(on jungle walk. woman in front of me says "aah! ants!" then proceeds to try brushing them off WHERE SHE STOOD) |
| 20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
europe is particularly mild on this shit. you get stung by the tiny polen wasps that live ther,e it's like... mk. |
| 20:48 |
trinque |
they drained quite a bit of death out of my asscheek and thigh |
| 20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd... |
| 20:48 |
trinque |
I was drugged to hell, laughing about it |
| 20:48 |
asciilifeform |
what's in a wasp, anyway? formic acid ? |
| 20:48 |
BingoBoingo |
lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524101.msg5932326#msg5932326 |
| 20:48 |
assbot |
Kick-off Discussion: Existing Forum Temperature Check + Criticism ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoOfsH ) |
| 20:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24260 @ 0.00024259 = 5.8852 BTC [+] |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform depends on the wasp, but not very well known really. |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
"apitoxin" is you know, one of those vinegars peterl analysed. |
| 20:49 |
nubbins` |
peptides+enzymes followed by norepinephrine followed by hyaluronidase and MCDP |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
some sort of quinone iirc. |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
speaking of vinegars, |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
the wine thing |
| 20:50 |
nubbins` |
that is to say, enzymes and more enzymes |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
i think the 'wine experts' who don't get nailed by the food colouring experiment live in the same place as meta-nsa |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know this is something that you could pleasantly research ? |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
(which is to say, the land of the i-can't-rule-it-out marvels) |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no way they don't have that shit in dc, with all the dumb money floating about. take the girl out for a wine tasting show once |
| 20:51 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 20:52 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this was famously and publicly done not long ago, but i've misplaced the link |
| 20:52 |
nubbins` |
wine tasting shows are hilarious |
| 20:52 |
asciilifeform |
that was actually why i remembered. |
| 20:52 |
nubbins` |
sommelier friend of mine has worked a few |
| 20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm not going to go as far as to say "date a french somellier chick that can actually tell you what you ate after you squirt her palate" |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
thing is, i'm not sure if we have 'the genuine article' sort of expert around here |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
not sure if the test was ever attempted in a 'serious' wine country |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
so wiat, is your thesis that this doesn't exist ? or what ? |
| 20:54 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform the genuine articles are few and far between |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
my thesis is that i've not a clue. |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ah lol. so then my suggestion best avenue. |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
'It's all one node just with 600 addresses.' << ahahahaha. |
| 20:54 |
* |
asciilifeform picks self up from floor |
| 20:54 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform there's 140 "master sommeliers" in usa |
| 20:55 |
nubbins` |
so maybe 25-50 legit |
| 20:56 |
nubbins` |
but... that aside, |
| 20:56 |
nubbins` |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070578 |
| 20:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 15:00:24; *: nubbins` has admittedly never drunk wine costlier than $500/bottle but can verify that all the superfluous descriptors on the label are actually present |
| 20:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712152 |
| 20:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:16; asciilifeform: the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked. |
| 20:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712153 |
| 20:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:26; asciilifeform: locked up in patent purgatory to this day, afaik |
| 20:56 |
nubbins` |
oooo |
| 20:56 |
asciilifeform |
iirc works on wine |
| 20:56 |
nubbins` |
that's cool |
| 20:56 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd... << There's a burrowing and colonizing Vespid species endemic here. When they nest in the yard it is time for the serious chemicals. Eradicating a nest will scar that part of the yard for years. |
| 20:56 |
asciilifeform |
to the point of outputting how many days in cask of what wood |
| 20:57 |
nubbins` |
great for finding food pairs! |
| 20:57 |
nubbins` |
twodogland is generally free of nasty vermin |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
i still suspect that 'cyranose' was disappeared not only because useful in homeland severity (tm) |
| 20:57 |
nubbins` |
no snakes, raccoons, skunks, venomous spiders... |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
but because it readily exposes fraudulent 'food' |
| 20:58 |
nubbins` |
lel |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
if programmed appropriately |
| 20:58 |
nubbins` |
scan a GMO apple |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
haha |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
and could be manufactured for a few usd |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
so next nsa product ? |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
(solid-state carboniferous sensor) |
| 20:58 |
nubbins` |
"this isn't olive oil!" |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: right after we can make even a z80 yes |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ahak |
| 20:59 |
* |
asciilifeform refers 'gmo' enthusiasts to old thread |
| 20:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827711 |
| 20:59 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-09-2014 19:19:30; asciilifeform: except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.' |
| 21:00 |
nubbins` |
who maintains thebitcoin.foundation website? |
| 21:00 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827645 |
| 21:00 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-09-2014 16:40:01; asciilifeform: once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill. |
| 21:00 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: iirc it was jurov |
| 21:00 |
nubbins` |
jurov if this is correct, plz to small change? |
| 21:00 |
nubbins` |
<font face="courier" color="#00FF00" size="+1"> <<< size should be either not present, or -1 |
| 21:00 |
nubbins` |
dat huge text |
| 21:04 |
mod6 |
i do |
| 21:05 |
mod6 |
is that better? |
| 21:05 |
mod6 |
(removed the size attribute) |
| 21:15 |
mod6 |
ok gentoo up and running... |
| 21:15 |
mod6 |
building openssl first to ensure good build. |
| 21:19 |
nubbins` |
mod6 perf thanks |
| 21:19 |
nubbins` |
now the banner fits on my screen :D |
| 21:20 |
ben_vulpes |
persnickety sob |
| 21:20 |
ben_vulpes |
<3 |
| 21:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25808 @ 0.00022673 = 5.8514 BTC [-] |
| 21:25 |
TheNewDeal |
;;bc,stats |
| 21:25 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 349256 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52024434137.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.35951 |
| 21:29 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes didn't ya hear, nobody cares unless it looks good? 8) |
| 21:29 |
nubbins` |
at least i suggest fixes ;D |
| 21:31 |
TheNewDeal |
;;nethash |
| 21:31 |
gribble |
379131327.415 |
| 21:31 |
TheNewDeal |
sweet hash |
| 21:33 |
ben_vulpes |
y'r a dear |
| 21:41 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1071588 << my guess is this -> http://blockchainworkshops.org/?page_id=237 |
| 21:41 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 23:50:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron where was this ? |
| 21:41 |
assbot |
Stanford Blockchain Workshop (March 2015) ... ( http://bit.ly/19mp0d8 ) |
| 21:42 |
danielpbarron |
A workshop examining the interplay between blockchain technologies, including distributed cryptoledger, and existing legal infrastructure or regulatory regimes. |
| 21:42 |
danielpbarron |
The workshop will gather technologists, lawyers and entrepreneurs involved in the deployment of distributed blockchain-based applications. Topics discusses will sketch out a techno-legal framework to resolve the challenges facing applications of these technologies without hindering their distributed potential and decentralized character. |
| 21:44 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo? |
| 21:44 |
BingoBoingo |
<ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo? << Why SSH into a machine you have physical access to? |
| 21:46 |
danielpbarron |
well unless yours is adulterated, or at the very least set up for net console... |
| 21:48 |
ben_vulpes |
hm. i'll read your documentation before embarrasing myself further... |
| 21:49 |
danielpbarron |
it's not easy to get into the thing without ssh |
| 21:49 |
danielpbarron |
requires soldering |
| 21:50 |
mod6 |
openssl built fine. building bdb now |
| 21:50 |
mod6 |
<+nubbins`> mod6 perf thanks << no prob :] |
| 21:51 |
danielpbarron |
last time i tried to build bitcoind i got this far -> util.h:650:8: error: 'uint32_t' does not name a type |
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| 21:51 |
mod6 |
hmm. i suspect this could be an environment problem... but we'll see. |
| 21:51 |
danielpbarron |
for openssl i had to do the "make install_sw" thing |
| 21:51 |
mod6 |
*local environment problem. |
| 21:51 |
danielpbarron |
yeah it probably is |
| 21:52 |
mod6 |
na, ididn't have to do anything different for openssl. |
| 21:52 |
danielpbarron |
i stupidly put 32 bit OS on 64 bit laptop |
| 21:52 |
mod6 |
i just used the auto.sh (v0.0.5-32) |
| 21:52 |
mod6 |
bdb is going now, we'll see how it comes out |
| 21:53 |
mod6 |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 21:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00020725 / 0.00022638 / 0.00025392 (885376 shares, 200.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00027433 / 0.00030622 (13180647 shares, 3,615.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.0003465 / 0.0004493 (80475736 shares, 27,884.94 BTC) |
| 21:53 |
mod6 |
!t m s.bbet |
| 21:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000065 / 0.00008962 / 0.00025 (136573 shares, 12.24 BTC) |
| 21:54 |
mod6 |
ok bdb built fine. |
| 21:54 |
mod6 |
now for boost |
| 21:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00022629 = 1.9687 BTC [-] |
| 22:02 |
asciilifeform |
kernel crashes. |
| 22:02 |
asciilifeform |
after 10 to 40 seconds of operation. |
| 22:02 |
mod6 |
this your roll-ur-own one? |
| 22:03 |
asciilifeform |
stock sheevaplug under buildroot |
| 22:03 |
asciilifeform |
nothing cut yet |
| 22:03 |
mod6 |
ah |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
though i think i have a handle on why |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
hm, no |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
it wasn't the ill-fated sandisk sata flash. |
| 22:05 |
asciilifeform |
dies like clockwork |
| 22:05 |
asciilifeform |
i suspect a watchdog timer |
| 22:05 |
mod6 |
:( |
| 22:05 |
asciilifeform |
there is nothing random about this crash. |
| 22:05 |
mod6 |
this aws "small" is so much slower than "medium" |
| 22:06 |
nubbins` |
a timer! |
| 22:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00022633 = 2.6933 BTC [+] |
| 22:07 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: classic cause of predictable and rapid death on embedded boxes |
| 22:07 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: normally a register where you have to flip a bit every S seconds or power cycled |
| 22:07 |
nubbins` |
sabotage |
| 22:07 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i don't know for a fact that this is happening here. just a hunch |
| 22:07 |
asciilifeform |
based on working with many similar systems before. |
| 22:08 |
asciilifeform |
watchdogs aren't evil, they are a sad necessity in the world of typical c programmers |
| 22:08 |
asciilifeform |
or would you like to reboot your car's ecu manually. |
| 22:09 |
asciilifeform |
nothing printed on system log |
| 22:09 |
asciilifeform |
so not a panic |
| 22:12 |
mod6 |
hardware problem? |
| 22:12 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
| 22:12 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> or would you like to reboot your car's ecu manually. << Plenty of people do to cars what you do to pogos |
| 22:12 |
asciilifeform |
this box is iron-stable running other items |
| 22:14 |
nubbins` |
this is vanilla 3.18 you're using? |
| 22:14 |
asciilifeform |
3.18.1 |
| 22:14 |
asciilifeform |
with whatever patches buildroot applies for kirkwood |
| 22:14 |
asciilifeform |
haven't read it all yet |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
dies in 30.00 seconds of reset |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
like fucking clock. |
| 22:17 |
nubbins` |
https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/linux/3.18.3-1~exp1 |
| 22:17 |
assbot |
3.18.3-1~exp1 : linux package : Debian ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAk0gL ) |
| 22:17 |
nubbins` |
maybe not relevant |
| 22:17 |
nubbins` |
"[armel/kirkwood]: Enable DEBUG_MVEBU_UART_ALTERNATE to match the behaviour |
| 22:17 |
nubbins` |
of previous boardfile based kirkwood kernels. Otherwise the kernel silently |
| 22:17 |
nubbins` |
crashes during boot." |
| 22:18 |
nubbins` |
ugh. sry |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
it doesn't die during boot |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
if you're quick on your feet, you get some console time |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
(i built it with rootfs cemented in kernel just as a quick test, to avoid having to flash the nand. i have kernel load from lan via tftp for tests. with rootfs and all contents, it is around 21M.) |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
but this is pretty obviously a mishandled timer |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
'drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0)' during boot |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
dollars to doughnuts it ends up switching on the watchdog countdown. |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
while trying to init the rtc |
| 22:24 |
decimation |
re: wine > I took a class on winetasting in undergrad |
| 22:24 |
decimation |
my perception is that there is some science to it, but it's mostly bs |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << ye olde manual |
| 22:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1980b4w ) |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
pp. 368 table 117 |
| 22:25 |
decimation |
at least, the tasting and the 'valuation' seem to be disconnected |
| 22:25 |
asciilifeform |
(and no, it is not available in any format other than pdf, nor is it remotely readable if put through garbage compactor and turned into text, fucking deal with it) |
| 22:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.' |
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| 22:26 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: aye, agreed. |
| 22:27 |
decimation |
which is why argentina and chile are good places to find deals on reds |
| 22:29 |
decimation |
particularly malbec |
| 22:30 |
mod6 |
ok |
| 22:30 |
mod6 |
bitcoind builds statically on gentoo with auto.sh (v0.0.5-32) |
| 22:30 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: if marvell are so keen on supporting 'open source' devel, why don't they support a proper kernel build? |
| 22:31 |
mod6 |
there are some different warnings than i've seen before though. i'll rebuild the entire thing again for good measure and use `script` to record the build. |
| 22:31 |
mod6 |
hang tight. |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: they think their 2.6.something built with proprietary (segger?) buildatron is 'open source' |
| 22:31 |
decimation |
heh |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
i dropped the link to that turd here. can go and see for yourself |
| 22:32 |
decimation |
the problem with open source is that the source code might as well be on mars if nobody can read/use it |
| 22:34 |
decimation |
to be fair, I guess neither intel nor amd 'support' linux |
| 22:34 |
decimation |
except they probably both have staff working fulltime on the upstream kernel |
| 22:34 |
PeterL |
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/25/house-passes-bill-make-hunting-harrassing-hunters-drone-crime/70441434/ << darn, I was looking forward to taking a deer with a quadcopter :( </sarcasm> |
| 22:34 |
assbot |
Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS ) |
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| 22:36 |
decimation |
lol 'harass hunter' with a quadcopter |
| 22:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00022629 = 3.7677 BTC [-] |
| 22:36 |
PeterL |
"The Michigan Department of Natural Resources hasn't received any complaints of hunters using a drone or getting harassed by a drone" << my representatives, hard at work solving problems they just invented |
| 22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2015/03/changtip-hire-bitcoin-subreddit-moderator/ << Mega lol |
| 22:37 |
assbot |
ChangeTip Hires Bitcoin Subreddit Moderator | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BpUB5B ) |
| 22:37 |
decimation |
why does this even need to be a law? isn't it obvious that if a flying object is 'harassing' you while you are armed, the proper answer is to shoot it? |
| 22:38 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact. |
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| 22:39 |
decimation |
well, that's a fair point |
| 22:39 |
mod6 |
ok one last thing before I rebuild... I needed to add the "-nodnsseed" to bitcoind upon start up otherwise it would just start and exit without doing anything |
| 22:39 |
mod6 |
but now i've >10000 blocks |
| 22:40 |
PeterL |
sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits |
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| 22:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Cheap to the point of disposable is prolly the better avenue |
| 22:41 |
decimation |
actually this raises an interesting jurisdictional problem - the faa claims jurisdiction over all airspace above 0 feet |
| 22:42 |
decimation |
how can the state of michigan regulate interstate commerce? |
| 22:42 |
decimation |
after all, the fcc claims to regulate your wifi |
| 22:42 |
decimation |
via the same interstate commerce clause |
| 22:44 |
danielpbarron |
BingoBoingo, "ChangeTip BashCo" needs a comma? |
| 22:44 |
BingoBoingo |
fxd |
| 22:45 |
danielpbarron |
i wonder if that's the dude who banned me |
| 22:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Hard to say |
| 22:49 |
nubbins` |
well til what a watchdog timer is |
| 22:49 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform the unit's got an rtc tho, it's just not seeing it? |
| 22:51 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: sees, fails to init |
| 22:51 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i have no evidence that the two events are connected. mere suspicion. |
| 22:52 |
nubbins` |
k |
| 22:53 |
nubbins` |
https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=250166#p250166 |
| 22:53 |
assbot |
Pogoplug Mobile hardware support and device tree effort (Page 1) — Hardware Hacking — OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAoDr9 ) |
| 22:53 |
nubbins` |
not sure if helpful |
| 22:53 |
nubbins` |
does list watchdog timer |
| 22:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25241 @ 0.00022629 = 5.7118 BTC [-] {3} |
| 22:58 |
BingoBoingo |
www.bnd.com/2015/03/25/3731183/us-steel-to-temporarily-close.html << js paywall easy circumvention |
| 22:59 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.bnd.com/2015/03/25/3731341/highland-man-turns-salvaged-copper.html << Complimentary lol "My hands still have calluses from using No. 18 Weiss shear scissors to cut galvanized sheets to form gutters, he said. ...You couldnt afford a gutter today the way we made them. |
| 22:59 |
assbot |
Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1BpZqM5 ) |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: it's supported in the kernel i'm testing |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
which may well be the root of the problem |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
presently testing a build with this crap removed with hot iron |
| 23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron oh i c. stanford technologees! |
| 23:05 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: after 'wickard v. filburn', usg gained - perfectly legally - the power to regulate how many shits we may take per week |
| 23:05 |
asciilifeform |
on account of this, possibly, having an effect on 'interstate commerce.' |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071933 << what'd that pricepoint be ? |
| 23:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 02:26:12; asciilifeform: decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.' |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
romania has (had ?) some exceptional wines at 5-10 dollars a bottle. |
| 23:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: varies by locale |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 23:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: when i say 'above recycled piss pricepoint' it means getting squarely above the 'for the poor' product category in usa |
| 23:07 |
asciilifeform |
which exists from wine to shoelaces |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i broadly agree, but imo veblen-ness behaves strangely, as in : window. from about 100 to maybe 5 or 10k a bottle. |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a very proper middle, there's good reason to pay 80 rather than 15. |
| 23:08 |
* |
asciilifeform can believe |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a very proper top. there's a good reason to pay 850k |
| 23:08 |
asciilifeform |
what reason ? |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
that item is now a 'rembrandt' and can be authenticated ? |
| 23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
yup. |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
for an archaeological artifact - sure. |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
but drinking your artifact is lunacy. |
| 23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
(this perhaps easily conglimerated with veblen - but is not same. |
| 23:09 |
* |
asciilifeform knows that it is not the same |
| 23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform similar phenomenon with virgin slavegirls. |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
a 'rembrandt' here is simply an analogue bitcoin. |
| 23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
slavegirl either lost virginity around 15 or 20. |
| 23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
in the saner 17-18 yo middle, notmany.jpg |
| 23:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00022633 = 4.8321 BTC [+] |
| 23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071949 << the importnat part there is the 2nd clause. im sure buncha idiot nerds were becoming a pain. |
| 23:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 02:34:59; assbot: Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS ) |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise, hunting from flight already soundly illegal. |
| 23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it occurs to me, that shavers character is like out of a novel. first he gets a civil supoena that he doens't ignore. then he self represents. and doesn't do homework. then he loses the suit. civil suit. he loses it. then he pleads not guilty in criminal proceedings. |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
hell, in usa electronically setting off the shell is banned |
| 23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
someone needs to tell him this civil-criminal thing is as close as it gets to double jeopardy in the us |
| 23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
and preserved deliberately - to fuck up... well, basically, him. |
| 23:15 |
BingoBoingo |
It really is |
| 23:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Then again the major reason to retain an attorney in the us is to avoid spam |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ? |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"The average tip amount across all platforms is has fallen to ~$0.91, while the average tip amount on reddit is only ~$0.37
we can do better!" |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
and PART TIME. |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
incredibly cheap, these clay footed giants. |
| 23:18 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu> how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ? << That or make preponderance of evidence standard use as proof in criminal case |
| 23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071956 << drone meets buckshot tho... almost worth doing just to film it |
| 23:18 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 02:38:56; BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact. |
| 23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo but the usg (through usg->da) has already evaluated that |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
just to film it << the chinese filmed it recently |
| 23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
you basing yourself on the theory usg->judge will != usg->da ? |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
(link in log somewhere) |
| 23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071960 << "withstand" is pretty fuckin dangerous. |
| 23:20 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-03-2015 02:40:21; PeterL: sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
and for the type of flying machine normally encountered, 'birdshot' ought to suffice |
| 23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
best way to lose an eye is shoot shotguns at armored targets. |
| 23:20 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Oh my strategy? I retain lawyers because it forces opposition to route annoying phone calls through attorney |
| 23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
not yours lol. his. |
| 23:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
| 23:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Consider the example of a US bankruptcy case. You can cheaply and easily represent yourself if indigent, however you have to handle communications with all of the debtors, or... You scrape together enough to retain an attorney who has a process for handling that annoyance and also retain your sanity. |
| 23:24 |
decimation |
re: wine < yeah my perception is that > $10-15 is generally good. more expensive wines are also good, but there are loads of pretenders trying to get by on geography |
| 23:25 |
decimation |
once had an excellent german trockenbeernauslese for $50 and it was worth every penny |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed |
| 23:25 |
BingoBoingo |
But the shavers strategy seems to be only notable in the sense he pulled off a mega fraud in a space which at the time was especially gullible and vulnerable to mega fraud. |
| 23:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33227 @ 0.00022613 = 7.5136 BTC [-] {3} |
| 23:25 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed << Hard on the phone. |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
you're not required to communicate via phone are you ? |
| 23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
what's this, mandatory webcam bankruptcy court ? |
| 23:26 |
nubbins` |
building cross-compile toolchain is slo-o-o-o-o-o-ow |
| 23:26 |
BingoBoingo |
USia, seriously messed up in the things people expect, legally |
| 23:27 |
decimation |
bankruptcy without debtor's prison is just silly |
| 23:28 |
trinque |
as is debtors prison without real money |
| 23:28 |
decimation |
heh good point |
| 23:28 |
asciilifeform |
usaschwitz is a gigantic open-air debtor's prison already. |
| 23:28 |
nubbins` |
debtor's prison = university |
| 23:28 |
nubbins` |
they make you go first, before you owe the money |
| 23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, nubbins`. it'd be a lot better if the tit knew it's caged. |
| 23:29 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda what i like about eastern european campuses. |
| 23:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the tit doth know. |
| 23:29 |
nubbins` |
the tit abides |
| 23:31 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: have you found any particularly good south american wines? |
| 23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. i've found plenty perfectly acceptable tho. |
| 23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, finding a bad one's more challenging. |
| 23:32 |
decimation |
yeah I've never been disappointed in random $10 malbec from chile/ar |
| 23:32 |
danielpbarron |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0W9GXUcAAch26.jpg |
| 23:32 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1bvIC06 ) |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i tihnk that;s pretty much it. |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
honestly, i wouldn't expect exceptional out of vineyards that aren;t even 500 years old. |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
but they do get the reasonable down pat. |
| 23:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7801 @ 0.00022581 = 1.7615 BTC [-] {2} |
| 23:35 |
decimation |
heh. of course many of those french vineyards were decimated by the phylloxera plague |
| 23:35 |
mircea_popescu |
doesn't really matter. terroir's terroir.. |
| 23:35 |
mircea_popescu |
people know wtf this is. etc. |
| 23:36 |
nubbins` |
whoops. dat make clean. |
| 23:36 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: yes, indeed it is |
| 23:37 |
decimation |
bourdeaux has been overpriced by chinese bezzlars, but it is also legitimately fine tasting |
| 23:38 |
mircea_popescu |
also somewhat of an aquired taste. |
| 23:40 |
decimation |
for folks who are dubious about the specifics, you can generally pick out particular flavors on the 'flavor wheel' like one shown here: http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/wine-topics/wine-educational-questions/davis-aroma-wheel/ |
| 23:40 |
assbot |
Wine Aroma Wheel from UC Davis ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxbeRC ) |
| 23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, vinegar, alcohol and sulphur dioxide in the same box ? |
| 23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
mkay... nm. |
| 23:44 |
decimation |
cabernet sauvignon (one of the bordeaux grapes) often has a tobacco flavor for instance |
| 23:45 |
decimation |
the impressive thing really is that the knowledgeable winemaker can bring out so many different flavors with just grapes, yeast, toasted oak, and time |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"tobacco flavour" is kinda like "beautiful woman looks", but hey |
| 23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not really like carving. it's farming. |
| 23:47 |
decimation |
farming and processing |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
'What is the cause of a corked wine? The culprit is usually one of two reasons, TCA, which is short for 2, 4,6 Trichloroanisole. TCA is a type of fungus that occurs naturally. Because TCA is a natural fungi present in the bark of the cork tree, it can be easily be taken into the cork.' << who wants to kill something after reading this |
| 23:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00022717 = 4.8842 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:54 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069941 << I can recieve and store pallet; have access to dock plate / forklift / pallet jack / etc |
| 23:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-03-2015 05:12:04; mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you store a pellet ? |
| 23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
cool, but meanwhoile the pellet seemed dudsy |
| 23:56 |
danielpbarron |
for future reference if the right unit comes up |
| 23:56 |
nubbins` |
i read it as pallet earlier. i can store pellets. |
| 23:57 |
danielpbarron |
at 2 USD per, that's still a great deal |
| 23:57 |
danielpbarron |
the blue unit is very nice too |
| 23:57 |
asciilifeform |
was. |
| 23:58 |
nubbins` |
wonder if "national liquidation" selling em on amazon would cut a deal |
| 23:58 |
nubbins` |
probably no huge incentive for them to |
| 23:59 |
danielpbarron |
not with the sudden surge of people buying "crates" of them |