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00:00 ben_vulpes storage (glide time) not so great.
00:01 ben_vulpes different engineering goals lead one to pick different power plants.
00:02 nubbins` mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Fxv1WCF7
00:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BG8ED8 )
00:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111355 @ 0.00026295 = 29.2808 BTC [+]
00:03 nubbins` mod6 whole thing: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EnpWcvp5
00:03 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BG8NGC )
00:04 mod6 thanks nubbins`
00:04 nubbins` np
00:08 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> [03:10] but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric' << i occasionally bat around the notion of producing microturbines with litho
00:09 ben_vulpes fuel, oxidizer etc delivered through capillary tubes
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00:15 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> [03:30] substation transformers in usa are in severe shortage << really? source? this shit doesn't fit in a container and ship from china these days?
00:17 nubbins` they're quite expensive and so there's not a ton of extra stock laying around
00:17 nubbins` if something widespread happens, existing supplies won't come close to covering replacements, and you're looking at months/years for production to catch up
00:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00026295 = 6.2977 BTC [+]
00:18 nubbins` ;;google power grid is fucked if too many transformers blow at the same time
00:18 gribble Government Agency Warns If 9 Substations Are Destroyed, The ...: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-19/government-agency-warns-if-9-substations-are-destroyed-power-grid-could-be-down-18-m>; Government Agency: If 9 Substations Are Destroyed, The Power ...: <http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/government-agency-if-9-substations-are-destroyed-the-power-grid-could-be-down- (1 more message)
00:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147450 @ 0.00025181 = 37.1294 BTC [-] {3}
00:29 mod6 ok nubbins`, better?
00:29 nubbins` beauty!
00:29 mod6 ok thx.
00:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12919 @ 0.00026295 = 3.3971 BTC [+]
00:31 mod6 :]
00:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31705 @ 0.00026295 = 8.3368 BTC [+]
00:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65335 @ 0.00025731 = 16.8113 BTC [-]
01:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.0002589 = 8.7767 BTC [+]
01:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 409900 @ 0.0002656 = 108.8694 BTC [+] {4}
01:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82000 @ 0.0002589 = 21.2298 BTC [-]
01:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117043 @ 0.00026858 = 31.4354 BTC [+] {2}
01:47 nubbins` say, asciilifeform, does your pogotron buildroot toolchain have an arm-buildroot-linux-uclibcgnueabi-g++ ?
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02:02 nubbins` nevermind, found the flags
02:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00026858 = 27.6637 BTC [+]
02:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47750 @ 0.00026858 = 12.8247 BTC [+]
02:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222502 @ 0.00026036 = 57.9306 BTC [-] {5}
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02:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205300 @ 0.0002561 = 52.5773 BTC [-]
02:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44320 @ 0.00025689 = 11.3854 BTC [+]
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03:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33730 @ 0.00025689 = 8.6649 BTC [+]
03:13 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 292 @ 0.00439881 = 1.2845 BTC [-] {4}
03:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71389 @ 0.00026858 = 19.1737 BTC [+]
03:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111250 @ 0.00025682 = 28.5712 BTC [-] {3}
03:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080496 << some things more apt for burying than others. optic fibre is perhaps the ideal thing to bury.
03:33 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 03:22:24; asciilifeform: (short-term, that is. which is the only model of concern to these people)
03:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080512 << everytrhing even moderately costly is in severe permanent shortage in the soviet america. the only thing they have in ample supply is "technologies", a la facebook. exactly mirroring the situation of the previous soviets, eating pravda on bread, except "real" pravda on imaginary bread.
03:37 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 03:31:18; asciilifeform: substation transformers in usa are in severe shortage
03:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.00025627 = 16.8626 BTC [-]
03:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080521 << lawl. the pathology known as "being an ignorant, primitive indigent" ? complete with basic animism, politico-shamanism and the works ?
03:53 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 03:35:35; asciilifeform: there is exactly one cure for this kind of mental pathology. the good news is that it -will- be prescribed. whether the 'patient' wants, or not.
03:54 mircea_popescu "i have an idea, let's separate church and state. the 'community' is made out of idiots who aren't actually intellectually prepared to have any sort of church yet anyway."
03:54 mircea_popescu we're fighting the bad ideas of the 1100s by being too stupid to have them yet!
03:57 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080559 << juicy, but i somehow doubt 3d printing's yet there. if you print 10k capilaries of which over 9000 have a hole somewhere... well i guess it'd make a great burning man prop.
03:57 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 04:09:07; ben_vulpes: fuel, oxidizer etc delivered through capillary tubes
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04:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144150 @ 0.00025669 = 37.0019 BTC [+]
04:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51038 @ 0.00025632 = 13.0821 BTC [-] {2}
04:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173740 @ 0.00025295 = 43.9475 BTC [-] {4}
04:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170200 @ 0.00025901 = 44.0835 BTC [+]
04:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107550 @ 0.00026355 = 28.3448 BTC [+]
04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72298 @ 0.0002618 = 18.9276 BTC [-]
04:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100400 @ 0.00026365 = 26.4705 BTC [+] {2}
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05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187812 @ 0.00026251 = 49.3025 BTC [-]
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05:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100000 @ 0.00026251 = 26.251 BTC [-]
05:54 kakobrekla http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html
05:54 assbot The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cs6ISd )
05:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137400 @ 0.0002651 = 36.4247 BTC [+] {2}
06:07 mircea_popescu i hadn't read that one.
06:10 funkenstein_ great story :)
06:10 funkenstein_ buenas dias
06:12 mircea_popescu " It took mankind a million years to fill one small world and then only fifteen thousand years to fill the rest of the Galaxy."
06:12 mircea_popescu if only. humans don't actually breed like that.
06:13 funkenstein_ perhaps the galaxy is already filled with something
06:14 mircea_popescu "dissipated heat?" asked MQ-17J, sarcastically.
06:15 funkenstein_ assbot, how are galaxies born?
06:16 assbot INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER.
06:16 mircea_popescu hahaha win.
06:16 funkenstein_ lolol
06:16 mircea_popescu galaxies are "born" like ovules are born.
06:17 mircea_popescu whenever the great ovary tears off the packaging off a pre-prepared condom-equivalent.
06:17 mircea_popescu kakobrekla btw give danielpbarron wiki access wouldja
06:17 mircea_popescu he wants to fill it with good christian thoughts.
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06:17 kakobrekla he got it yest.
06:19 mircea_popescu ah cool
06:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.0002665 = 13.2984 BTC [+] {2}
06:27 mircea_popescu asimov's idea of thermic end is kinda bizarre. it doesn't go to 0, it goes to "soup"
06:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00026674 = 12.2967 BTC [+]
06:28 mircea_popescu through a process roughly similar to pair generation (which is how we even know black stars exist : spontaneously generated pairs which sum to zero but which are separated by the event horizon result in direct radiation of the black body), it is reasonable to expect even a thermically dead universe to display localised disturbances, permanently.
06:30 mircea_popescu which is probably what the universe is in the first place : the big bang was... well... one such event, tiny in its proper scale.
06:31 funkenstein_ the concept of a universe seeks a proper definition
06:32 mircea_popescu nah, it's defined alright. "universe" = "the lot that obeys the same laws"
06:32 funkenstein_ that's a better definition than most
06:32 mircea_popescu pointedly opposed to the concept of cosmos (the lot of related parts)
06:33 mircea_popescu a lot of human history can be readily understood by sieving it through the universe-cosmos duality
06:33 funkenstein_ so if my law is hurricanes spin counterclockwise.. we are now in different universes
06:33 mircea_popescu except this is just your perception of a fundamental law.
06:34 mircea_popescu an so your perception of different universes.
06:34 mircea_popescu fucking incredible how bad the "definitions" peddled by online sites are.
06:35 mircea_popescu sometimes i wonder how thinking people manage to put up with this indignity. it's really worse than any government bullshit. to not have a dictionary ?! barbarous.
06:36 mircea_popescu anyway, asimov ends it with an intelligent design thing ? /me is disappoint.
06:36 mircea_popescu and on that note... laters!
06:37 funkenstein_ cheers
06:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79490 @ 0.00026219 = 20.8415 BTC [-] {2}
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07:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90200 @ 0.00025906 = 23.3672 BTC [-]
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07:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142672 @ 0.00025837 = 36.8622 BTC [-] {2}
07:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67640 @ 0.00025248 = 17.0777 BTC [-]
07:37 nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> if only. humans don't actually breed like that. <<< what, exponentially? o.O
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07:39 nubbins` so i added BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX=y and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y flags to pogoplug_defconfig but g++ doesn't get spit out. what gives!
07:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79589 @ 0.00025248 = 20.0946 BTC [-]
07:43 nubbins` anyway mircea_popescu i took TFQ more to be an interpretation of the whole "hyperspace = outside of normal spacetime" thing simiar to what Card suggested in Children of the Mind
07:43 nubbins` rather than lame ol' intelligent design
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07:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60306 @ 0.00025248 = 15.2261 BTC [-]
07:44 funkenstein_ <asciilifeform> lifting whatever size load as one wishes, like balloons <-- it's the airflow problem that will probably get you.
07:44 funkenstein_ Also as you move horizontally away from the object you are lifting, your leverage d
07:44 funkenstein_ ecreases
07:45 nubbins` altho intelligent design and "super intelligent computer in hyperspace" is sort of a bijective function
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08:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137050 @ 0.00025188 = 34.5202 BTC [-] {2}
08:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4494 @ 0.00025233 = 1.134 BTC [+]
08:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144250 @ 0.00024973 = 36.0236 BTC [-] {3}
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08:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137100 @ 0.0002505 = 34.3436 BTC [+]
08:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 393704 @ 0.00025074 = 98.7173 BTC [+] {2}
08:58 danielpbarron height=306222 vs height=218829
09:04 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080626 << so far have filled with deedbot documentation -> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot
09:04 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 10:17:51; mircea_popescu: he wants to fill it with good christian thoughts.
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09:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53280 @ 0.00025342 = 13.5022 BTC [+]
09:23 nubbins` next best thing
09:28 nubbins` "I discovered Bitcoin before fiat money since my Bitcoin wallet is 4 years old and my bank account is 1." -17 year old Louison Dumont, founder of Bitproof.io, on ZapChain AMA
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09:29 nubbins` that's an immense amount of anti-logic
09:29 nubbins` i discovered my asshole before my mouth because my mouth is 33 years old and my new buttplug is 5.
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09:36 mod6 !t m s.mpoe
09:36 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024959 / 0.00025931 / 0.0002757 (8398445 shares, 2,177.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00025237 / 0.00028207 (33101933 shares, 8,354.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00030532 / 0.0004493 (94432905 shares, 28,832.91 BTC)
09:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155651 @ 0.00025342 = 39.4451 BTC [+]
09:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193778 @ 0.00025785 = 49.9657 BTC [+] {2}
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10:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263550 @ 0.00026094 = 68.7707 BTC [+] {3}
10:14 jurov assholes, bitcoins, tomato flavored doritos.. to every man his own
10:20 nubbins` 10/10 would eat again
10:20 nubbins` the deliciousness of ketchup flavor with the enhanced snap of a corn chip
10:23 mats what is going on with the yen?
10:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43894 @ 0.00024997 = 10.9722 BTC [-] {2}
10:23 mats i'm baffled
10:25 jurov ;;ticker --currency jpy
10:25 gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
10:27 jurov !t m s.qntr
10:27 assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00033 / 0.00033 / 0.00033 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00033 / 0.00033 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024802 / 0.00033 (45259 shares, 11.23 BTC)
10:28 jurov todamoon!
10:28 jurov !depth s.qntr
10:28 jurov $depth s.qntr
10:37 thestringpuller there is no mpex bot
10:37 nubbins` :(
10:48 mats USDJPY up ~20% over nine months
10:50 mats this, while fed rate hike is incoming and BoJ continues QE part two...
10:53 asciilifeform nubbins`: so i added BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX=y and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y flags to pogoplug_defconfig but g++ doesn't get spit out. what gives! << did you 'make clean all' ? 'buildroot' doesn't work like a proper 'make' project at all. you have to 'clean' it almost every time you change anything.
10:53 asciilifeform sorta like our bitcoind.
10:53 asciilifeform funkenstein_: Also as you move horizontally away from the object you are lifting, your leverage decreases << only if payload is a point.
10:54 asciilifeform if it is point-like enough, it begins to make sense to stack the tiles vertically (at sufficient distance naturally)
10:54 asciilifeform !up freeborn
10:54 freeborn thanks!
10:55 freeborn hi all, been following the bitcoin foundations work for a little while.. looks really cool! I have been giving it a shot trying to install on my openbsd machine, I noticed in the release notes that BingoBoingo has provided soem insights for building on obsd, does anyone know if this is possible yet?
10:55 asciilifeform freeborn: try the mac os build instructions posted recently, these may work on openbsd
10:55 freeborn asciilifeform: cool, will track that down, thanks!
10:56 mats somehow the peasants are reassured by fake money being poured into the engine
10:56 thestringpuller freeborn: I'm pretty sure mod6 has gotten it working on OpenBSD.
10:56 mats thats the only explanation for increased confidence in the yen i can imagine
10:56 nubbins` asciilifeform ah. i did 'make clean' but not 'make clean all'.
10:57 asciilifeform nubbins`: make clean all first cleans then alls
10:57 thestringpuller mats: i don't understand the point of fake money anymore.
10:57 nubbins` hm. trying it again now, regardless
10:57 thestringpuller mats: /wind 5
10:57 freeborn thestringpuller: very cool. mod6 o/
10:57 thestringpuller oops*
10:57 asciilifeform nubbins`: rebuild from scratch (as per my recipe but with your flags)
10:57 asciilifeform nubbins`: this may be necessary if changing compiler type
10:58 nubbins` hm
10:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63188 @ 0.00024943 = 15.761 BTC [-] {2}
10:58 mats gotta work on your editor fu
10:58 nubbins` well, this has been going for about an hour now, so i'll let it finish. if that doesn't do it, i'll start from scratch
10:58 asciilifeform freeborn: get in the wot
10:58 mats lotta those errors being printed to chan on a weekly basis
10:58 asciilifeform freeborn: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
10:58 asciilifeform freeborn: then you can have permanent voice.
10:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81071 @ 0.00024852 = 20.1478 BTC [-]
10:59 nubbins` asciilifeform FWIW you may wish to include those flags in the next portatronic release; boost requires g++
10:59 freeborn asciilifeform: ok, sounds good.
10:59 asciilifeform nubbins`: you know, you can make next release too
10:59 nubbins` :D
10:59 nubbins` dat empowerment
10:59 asciilifeform nubbins`: i have not even tried to build bitcoin or its deps using buildroot's chain, yet
11:00 nubbins` aha.
11:00 asciilifeform nubbins`: so you will be the pioneer.
11:00 nubbins` i have; it needs g++ 8)
11:00 nubbins` \m/
11:00 asciilifeform nubbins`: incidentally - read through the packages tree to see if there are any that use cpp
11:00 nubbins` freeborn have you run into errors or have you not tried yet?
11:00 asciilifeform nubbins`: and see what flags they pull in
11:00 asciilifeform nubbins`: this will easily answer your puzzle
11:01 asciilifeform (buildroot's packages that is)
11:01 * nubbins` nods
11:02 nubbins` now, while i wait for this potentially-useless compile to finish, i'm gonna re-up on caffeine and watch some zombies
11:06 nubbins` hm, if this doesn't work, i can rebuild *just* the cross toolchain, can't i?
11:06 mod6 <+thestringpuller> freeborn: I'm pretty sure mod6 has gotten it working on OpenBSD. << Hi freeborn, yup, OpenBSD is on def. at the top of our list of platforms to support. I made good progress on this in February, but got a little side-tracked in March with the release. Stay tuned to the mailing list (btc-dev), any advancements in this realm will be updated there.
11:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you print 10k capilaries of which over 9000 have a hole somewhere... well i guess it'd make a great burning man prop << problem invites itself to be solved with clever metallurgy. as in, alloy which functions if in a normal turbine but fuses the capillary shut if said capillary is on fire and not cooled by a nearby functioning microturbine.
11:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: optic fibre is perhaps the ideal thing to bury << aha. doesn't care about water (see ancient thread re: co2 tanks chained to telco poles) or capacitance of surrounding material
11:07 freeborn mod6: thanks!!! my fingers await your instructions
11:07 freeborn currently with out some guidence, compiling this looks beyond me
11:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92300 @ 0.00025588 = 23.6177 BTC [+]
11:08 mod6 It requires a subtle patch to the code.
11:08 freeborn once ready, I am interested in working on a openbsd live image that uses the reference bitcoind
11:08 mod6 I have that part figured out, I even had mine running. but it was only a /dynamically/ linked build. The part I need to still sort out is a staically linked build.
11:09 freeborn ok, subscribing to the list ;)
11:09 mod6 Hopefully I'll have something figured out for that soon. And yup, updates will go to the mailing list. :]
11:18 nubbins` mod6 many changes for bsd?
11:22 mod6 naw. its just a few additional include statements in a few of the source files iirc
11:23 mod6 I can look quick
11:25 fluffypony http://spottedmarley.com/thinkabout/bitcoin-surveillance.jpg
11:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsYdGF )
11:25 nubbins` as a wild guess, i'd say at least some of the changes in my osx instructions may apply -- most of them were just renaming syscalls and compiler flags
11:25 mod6 !up freeborn
11:27 mod6 so it looks like i've got 1 small tweak to the makefile, and for some reason it doesnt seem to like "DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE" in db.cpp and there are a few include statements needed.
11:28 mod6 but all of that is easy, i just need to dig in to figure out how to get the proper configure args for openbsd -- iirc last time I tried, I tried to build a statically linked binary and then openssl compile failed. and I just got busy with the release so I havent gotten back to it yet.
11:29 nubbins` YEAH
11:29 mod6 There's a lot of stuff on our "to-do" list, but it'd be nice to knock out some OpenBSD support before we get into doing other heavy lifting.
11:29 nubbins` i mean, uh, yeah
11:30 mod6 i'll see if i can do some sorcery in the next few days and get it resolved.
11:30 nubbins` i'm planning to fiddle with getting static bitcoind compiled w/ pogotron buildroot cross-compile toolchain
11:30 nubbins` can take a peek at some flavor of bsd after that
11:32 mod6 sweet, thanks nubbins`
11:34 trinque I have my cross compiling tooling all set up as well, and can help
11:34 trinque nubbins`: I made it as far as boost having a seizure over... something
11:35 trinque I'll run it again and find out
11:35 nubbins` pastebin a good chunk before and after your first error
11:35 trinque aye aye
11:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161850 @ 0.00025609 = 41.4482 BTC [+] {2}
11:56 nubbins` !up freeborn
12:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189749 @ 0.00025256 = 47.923 BTC [-]
12:11 lobbes I'll be ordering my 'training laptop' soon. My question is: Gentoo or OpenBSD?
12:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17216 @ 0.00025256 = 4.3481 BTC [-]
12:16 jurov hi lobbes
12:17 jurov if you're serious about simpleshell then gentoo
12:17 jurov just my 2c
12:17 jurov but i don't see any problem with dualboot
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111000 @ 0.00026012 = 28.8733 BTC [+] {2}
12:20 lobbes thanks jurov. Yeah, I feel like I'm leaning the gentoo direction. Still gotta find a good hosting provider for simpleshell though
12:20 lobbes and I'm too cheap to shell out the dough for a dedi
12:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103850 @ 0.00025256 = 26.2284 BTC [-]
12:23 * ben_vulpes sips coffee, dives into logs
12:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229200 @ 0.00025037 = 57.3848 BTC [-] {3}
12:25 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu>: ... juicy ... << litho, my man, litho.
12:28 jurov lobbes there are dedis with small arm machines
12:28 ben_vulpes a gentleman by the name of mark weislogel gave me the inspiration for the idea one year in thermofluids
12:29 ben_vulpes "some of the work going on over at the lab has to do with microfluidic transport systems relying on capillaries - and i mean *micro* - we etch the channels in"
12:29 ben_vulpes lil benkay's mind goes frothy with applications of etched channels in rocketry and turbines
12:30 ben_vulpes assbot: foo"
12:30 ben_vulpes assbot: foo?
12:32 ben_vulpes ;;ticker --market bitstamp --currency jpy
12:32 gribble Bitstamp BTCJPY ticker | Best bid: 29214.04776, Best ask: 29232.03966, Bid-ask spread: 17.99190, Last trade: 29271.62184, 24 hour volume: 8222.96799952, 24 hour low: 28613.1183, 24 hour high: 29849.76156, 24 hour vwap: 29343.2288502
12:32 ben_vulpes mats ^^
12:35 ben_vulpes <fluffypony> http://spottedmarley.com/thinkabout/bitcoin-surveillance.jpg << sauce?
12:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmBfD9 )
12:36 fluffypony ben_vulpes: it was linked somewhere, Reddit I think
12:37 jurov https://twitter.com/spottedmarley
12:37 assbot Spotted Marley (@SpottedMarley) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmBRbH )
12:38 ben_vulpes http://antiwar.com/blog/2015/03/18/google-disables-all-ads-on-antiwar-com/ << via spotted_marley
12:38 assbot Google Disables All Ads on Antiwar.com (Updated) « Antiwar.com Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmCsdu )
12:39 ben_vulpes weak lawgs
12:39 ben_vulpes looks like i have no choice but to rubby up
12:39 mats ben_vulpes: not me but thanks
12:41 ben_vulpes berp borp
12:41 ben_vulpes this is what i get for being on irc before the stimulants hit my bloodstream
12:42 ben_vulpes apropos of nothing
12:42 ben_vulpes https://github.com/infoforcefeed/OlegDB/issues/166
12:42 assbot Eventual consistency via IMRS clustering proposal · Issue #166 · infoforcefeed/OlegDB · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmDZjS )
12:42 lobbes jurov: oh wow. noob me was unaware of the existance of ARM processors. Yes, looking around the google this seems like it might be a good route to follow. Thanks for the tip!
12:43 jurov yw
12:43 nubbins` asciilifeform are those md5 checksums on the end of your patch names or what?
12:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104500 @ 0.00026229 = 27.4093 BTC [+] {2}
12:44 * nubbins` has checked sigs, verified everything front-back, has no idea what string in filename is :S
12:51 jurov nubbins`: on btc-dev mailing list?
12:52 nubbins` yes
12:52 jurov that's sha1 hash
12:52 nubbins` a!
12:52 jurov of patch contents
12:52 jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << explained here
12:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyUhn4 )
12:53 jurov patch list page shows bogus data, it's my TODO
12:57 nubbins` ok!
12:57 nubbins` thanks
12:58 nubbins` hm, made changes to pogoplug_defconfig, they don't show up in .config
12:59 BingoBoingo !up freeborn
13:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136327 @ 0.00026312 = 35.8704 BTC [+]
13:01 BingoBoingo ;;later tell freeborn If you have the slightest inclination to use the wallet at all and you aren't using 5.7 or -current you will want to change the random function in wallet.cpp explicitly to arc4random, which has not been rc4 based in a long time. It is their good random.
13:01 gribble The operation succeeded.
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13:17 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
13:17 ascii_field ty BingoBoingo
13:17 ascii_field nubbins`: asciilifeform are those md5 checksums << wai wat
13:17 ascii_field nubbins`: sha512
13:17 ascii_field nubbins`: made changes to pogoplug_defconfig, they don't show up in .config << make clean; make pogoplug_defconfig; make
13:20 nubbins` ascii_field: i did make clean; make pogoplug_defconfig, but my "BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y" line from pogoplug_defconfig isn't showing up in the resultant .config
13:21 ascii_field which .config ?
13:23 nubbins` # configuration written to /home/nubs/dev/buildroot-2015.02/.config
13:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.00026312 = 5.9781 BTC [+]
13:23 nubbins` if i 'make nconfig' and enable the C++ option in there, the flag shows in .config
13:26 ascii_field nubbins`: hm. iirc there is a verbose debug option for the make. try see what it does
13:26 ascii_field eventually we are probably stuck with the job of actually figuring out how buildroot works
13:26 ascii_field definitely has warts
13:27 ascii_field but it's still lightyears ahead of doing all the work manually
13:34 nubbins` yeah
13:35 nubbins` i added c++ support via nconfig after applying your two patches, gonna see what that spits out
13:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109750 @ 0.00025909 = 28.4351 BTC [-]
13:48 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
13:56 ascii_field in other 'news', week straight of scouring the net for traces of anything even roughly comparable to 'pogo' still being in production -
13:56 ascii_field no result.
13:56 ascii_field (idiocies like boards with video chip, sound card, etc. at 3 to 5 times the cost - don't count, not interesting in the least)
14:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161324 @ 0.00026312 = 42.4476 BTC [+]
14:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00026312 = 6.0781 BTC [+]
14:02 nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/ecQ5T
14:02 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIRQvi )
14:02 nubbins` ultra-lel ^
14:02 nubbins` check date on last email
14:06 chetty powdered alcohol??? wt
14:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57340 @ 0.00026312 = 15.0873 BTC [+]
14:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180325 @ 0.00026679 = 48.1089 BTC [+] {2}
14:19 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44504 @ 0.00026682 = 11.8746 BTC [+]
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14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135000 @ 0.00026827 = 36.2165 BTC [+]
14:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105200 @ 0.00026835 = 28.2304 BTC [+]
14:51 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:51 BingoBoingo !up _FeltPen
14:53 ascii_field 'Recently a retired US general went on television to declare that what's needed to turn around the situation in the Ukraine is to simply “start killing Russians.” The Russians listened to that, marveled at his idiocy, and then went ahead and opened a criminal case against him. Now this general will be unable to travel to an ever-increasing number of countries around the world for fear of getting arrested and depor
14:53 ascii_field ted to Russia to stand trial. This is largely a symbolic gesture, but non-symbolic non-gestures of a preventive nature are sure to follow. You see, my fellow space travelers, murder happens to be illegal. In most jurisdictions, inciting others to murder also happens to be illegal. Americans have granted themselves the license to kill without checking to see whether perhaps they might be exceeding their authority. We
14:53 ascii_field should expect, then, that as their power trickles away, their license to kill will be revoked, and they find themselves reclassified from global hegemons to mere murderers.'
14:53 ascii_field ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html
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14:53 assbot ClubOrlov: License to Kill ... ( http://bit.ly/1afDpt6 )
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139376 @ 0.00026827 = 37.3904 BTC [-]
15:04 ascii_field https://www.amazon.com/oc/dash-button << seek00r1ty lulz waiting to happen
15:04 assbot Amazon Dash Button - Official site - Request an invitation ... ( http://bit.ly/19yGIKO )
15:05 ascii_field own some schmuck's wifi, order 10,000 bottles of washing machine liquid
15:07 Chillum even if you can't hack other people's it would be nice if you can repurpose it
15:08 Chillum make it into a wifi doorbell
15:08 BingoBoingo Chillum> make it into a wifi doorbell << What's wrong with a heavy, resonant wooden door?
15:09 Chillum I bet they give those away are sell them really cheap to sell more product
15:09 Chillum s/are/or/
15:09 ascii_field Chillum: ad says they will be given away to subscribers
15:09 ascii_field (of amazon 'prime')
15:10 Chillum at first. I bet they will start shipping them along with whatever you order soon
15:10 Chillum buy a printer, get a button for ink
15:10 trinque amazon... stahhhhp
15:10 Chillum one click ordering was too hard
15:11 * Chillum is going to push every single one of those he sees
15:11 trinque gotta turn your house into a gerbil cage
15:11 Chillum you have to push buttons after all
15:11 ascii_field Chillum: even funnier: eventually printer will want a credit card inserted when you print. but - you get toner in the mail when runs out
15:11 ascii_field something like that.
15:12 trinque these are ads.
15:12 * trinque shakes his head
15:12 trinque it's so you have a fucking cotonelle logo next to you every time you shit
15:13 Chillum lol, I want to reprogram them, put a sticker over the advert
15:13 ascii_field trinque: from the ad, it seems like the button comes unadorned but possibly with different stickers depending on what vendor you set yours to
15:13 ascii_field (why this entire gadget is necessary, i still do not understand)
15:14 Chillum by reducing the difficulty of ordering people are significantly more likely to order
15:14 Chillum for stuff you would normally buy when grocery shopping
15:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106400 @ 0.00026853 = 28.5716 BTC [+] {2}
15:14 ascii_field in other news,
15:15 ascii_field pogov4 up by $1 on 'amazon.'
15:16 mod6 BingoBoingo: thank's for the OpenBSD reminder about arc4random, a note about your blog though... you do say 7.x or 8 or w/e.. in v0.5.3/v0.5.3.1 the function that contains that part to change from rand() to arc4random() is called: CWallet::SelectCoinsMinConf
15:17 mod6 line 858 of wallet.cpp from v0.5.3.1
15:17 mod6 just fyi anyway
15:18 Chillum the earlier version looks more useful: http://gizmodo.com/amazon-dash-is-a-magic-wand-that-makes-sure-you-never-r-1558691755 barcode scanner and microphone with wifi button. Would rather hack that
15:18 assbot Amazon Dash Is a Magic Wand That Makes Sure You Never Run Out of Stuff ... ( http://bit.ly/19yLmZo )
15:18 BingoBoingo mod6: Cool if the news ever calms down enough try try the reference build I'm going to have to put this in the notebook.
15:18 BingoBoingo !up SquirtPrincess
15:19 trinque ... SquirtPrincess ?
15:19 trinque what is this, infiltration by fake cam girl?
15:20 trinque Chillum: kinda neat, though why not just scan with a phone app
15:20 trinque and I think having a standing order of whatever per month trumps all
15:22 Chillum Simpler is more secure, I don't trust my phone. Not sure what it is running but if you could get a fresh linux install it would be nice
15:22 jurov !up ascii_field
15:23 Chillum it is only a laser based barcode scanner though, so no qr codes
15:25 mod6 BingoBoingo: cool. ive got openssl/bdb/boost built now on obsd 5.6, then just gotta apply sublte obsd changes to v0.5.3.1 and then try the static build. if all works & pulls blocks, I'll make patches: one for the v0.5.3.1 source and one for `auto.sh' (which needs a few tweaks). maybe you can just point at that instead. anyway, no worries.
15:26 BingoBoingo mod6: Sounds good. I'll likely point to that in addition to what I have already
15:26 trinque Chillum: sure, but there's a barrier to getting someone to deal with another gadget
15:27 mod6 good deal. im excited about a hardened version of bitcoin to run on obsd!
15:28 trinque ^ hear hear
15:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25270 @ 0.00026827 = 6.7792 BTC [-]
15:30 BingoBoingo !up SquirtPrincess
15:32 Chillum If one could have cheap hardware with a built in hardware assist qr reader then you could use that for a cold wallet system. You would likely need more than one qr code per tx though
15:32 SquirtPrincess thxs <3
15:33 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:33 ascii_field ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh downloads tarballs from places that aren't therealbitcoin
15:34 ascii_field imho this is a bad idea
15:34 ascii_field at the very least should have mirror.
15:34 ascii_field i mean, yes, we have hashes
15:35 BingoBoingo <mod6> good deal. im excited about a hardened version of bitcoin to run on obsd! << Just remember on obsd libressl is an option. Libressl v 2.0 syncs plays much nicer with the built in OpenBSD memory protections than OpenSSL does, those changes were the reason they forked.
15:35 SquirtPrincess think im too late for tits for BTc lol
15:35 ascii_field but the use of boxes not under therealbitcoin's control, for any purpose, is not a thing to live with indefinitely
15:35 ascii_field SquirtPrincess: ask mircea_popescu about this
15:35 BingoBoingo SquirtPrincess: Not really, just have to wait for mircea_popescu to show up.
15:36 SquirtPrincess thxs <3 fr the info
15:38 ascii_field ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh leads to 'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' on my boxes.
15:38 ascii_field wtf.
15:39 nubbins` :o
15:41 nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-03-2015#1071861
15:41 assbot Logged on 26-03-2015 01:51:17; danielpbarron: last time i tried to build bitcoind i got this far -> util.h:650:8: error: 'uint32_t' does not name a type
15:41 ascii_field i distinctly recall fixing this in one of my patches
15:41 ascii_field who reintroduced it, and why ?
15:45 ascii_field and where the fuck DOES this thing build?
15:45 ascii_field who tested it?
15:45 ascii_field anyone?
15:54 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/opsec-lessons-from-carl-mark-force-iv/
15:54 BingoBoingo ^ Much lulz
15:58 BingoBoingo !up bitstein_
16:00 ascii_field BingoBoingo: 'Force had a habit of throwing is profession around' ?
16:00 ascii_field 'his profession' ?
16:01 ascii_field 'if Bitcoin villain Mark Karpeles can believed'
16:01 ascii_field 'be believed' ?
16:01 ascii_field 'lead to exchanges' >> 'leads to' ?
16:02 BingoBoingo fxd
16:05 chetty !up ascii_field
16:05 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:06 ascii_field all the 'long long' crapolade and any other non-stdint idiocy needs to go.
16:06 ascii_field it is fucking retarded.
16:07 ascii_field and yes, uint_8 instead of char, too
16:07 ascii_field all types should have obvious bitwidths.
16:08 ascii_field why is it in there? is it still in phoundation's fork?
16:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69814 @ 0.00026493 = 18.4958 BTC [-]
16:12 ascii_field oh and i will also spew forth this:
16:13 ascii_field a virginal gentoo box is imho presently the gold standard of non-retarded computing (at least on linux. could argue with openbsd, etc)
16:13 ascii_field if something doesn't build correctly there - it's broken.
16:16 chetty well I guess eulora will get the ultimate test then, mp is planning on installing a copy on such a box soonish
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16:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169900 @ 0.00026896 = 45.6963 BTC [+] {3}
16:17 ascii_field Chillum: If one could have cheap hardware with a built in hardware assist qr reader << this is one of the things i disagree with mircea_popescu about. i do not like qr codes. they require a surprising amount of algorithmic complexity and consequently cpu horsepower to decode.
16:17 Chillum that is why I was thinking hardware assist qr
16:17 ascii_field and correspondingly - they enlarge attack surface.
16:18 ascii_field Chillum: and what's in the hardware? pixie dust?
16:18 ascii_field Chillum: you may come from a place where the word 'hardware' means you are permitted to not think about how something works. #b-a is not such a place.
16:19 trinque hardware assist likely means the qr code reader is actually a keyboard
16:19 trinque much like barcode scanners tend to be
16:19 Chillum rs232 for the good ones
16:19 ascii_field it is NOT ACTUALLY A KEYBOARD - just presents as one
16:19 trinque right
16:19 ascii_field internally there is still code that decodes the fucking bitmap
16:19 ascii_field srsly
16:19 ascii_field this is elementary
16:19 trinque ascii_field: I'm not advocating this
16:19 trinque just translating
16:19 ascii_field but everybody but me seems to use these
16:20 ascii_field and i say - grief will come of it.
16:20 Chillum I think all means of moving information from one computer to another involves some hardware
16:20 Chillum even if you software decode a signal the hardware can still tamper with it
16:20 ascii_field Chillum: some hardware such as fingers
16:21 Chillum so how would one move information to and from a cold wallet? I want to avoid USB which is full of issues
16:21 ascii_field fingers.
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16:21 ascii_field you have 10 of'em
16:21 ascii_field i assume
16:21 Chillum type the whole transaction??
16:21 ascii_field unless you're a carpenter
16:21 Chillum then type the signature?
16:21 ascii_field or 2d barcode
16:22 ascii_field spiral it if you must
16:22 ascii_field it is read with minimal horsepower.
16:22 Chillum I wonder if you can feed a very long 2d barcode as a paper tape
16:22 Chillum thermal printer/laser
16:22 Chillum you can even program your own microcontroller with the barcode algo if you are worried
16:22 Chillum of course you will have to trust its cpu
16:23 ascii_field Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu.
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16:23 ascii_field can be made entirely of discrete logic.
16:23 ascii_field qr - no.
16:24 Chillum even if you have a trusted barcode reader feeding information into a rs232 port you can still trigger a buffer overflow in something that uses the data
16:24 Chillum some control over the content is still needed
16:24 ascii_field traditional barcode gives you a very easy means of estimating the size of the payload
16:24 ascii_field qr - again, no
16:25 Chillum fair enough, was just thinking of information density
16:25 Chillum hmm a strip of thermal paper could have 4 different barcodes running along the length of the strip to be read concurrently to reduce paper size
16:26 BingoBoingo I sense a loller train a coming https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ypy1/opsec_lessons_from_carl_mark_force_iv/cpx1mwy
16:26 assbot usrn comments on OpSec Lessons From Carl Mark Force IV ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB1Op4 )
16:26 nubbins` <+ascii_field> and where the fuck DOES this thing build? <<< apparently only on osx and DPB's pogos o.O
16:26 ascii_field Chillum: i do it differently. 'boustrophedonic' (if you don't know, look it up) raster scan on the tape
16:27 ascii_field nubbins`: i am unable to build with auto.sh
16:27 ascii_field nubbins`: and this is everyone's loss, because i was gonna attempt a proper fix for the orphans thing tonight
16:27 ascii_field but now won't, because barfed.
16:28 Chillum good idea to reduce seek time of the scanner. Was thinking long strip of paper because thermal paper is so cheap and it could be pulled through and spat out
16:28 Chillum 4 readers next to each other
16:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47950 @ 0.00026748 = 12.8257 BTC [-]
16:29 Chillum plus devices that pull receipt paper along are already available and cheap[
16:30 nubbins` <+ascii_field> a virginal gentoo box is imho presently the gold standard of non-retarded computing (at least on linux. could argue with openbsd, etc) <<< if anyone reading this is at all interested in playing with .foundation releases going forward, i'd strongly encourage they fire up a VM and actually go through a fresh gentoo install. official guides are well-written and if you can't handle this step, you're not ready for monkey-football
16:30 Chillum a modified printer can pull the paper past the readers
16:30 ascii_field Chillum: cheap but not optimized for keeping it straight.
16:30 Chillum valid point
16:30 ascii_field Chillum: virtually everything that comes out of mine is slightly crooked
16:31 ascii_field nubbins`: but apparently no one tested this release on gentoo !
16:31 ascii_field it was built, if built, on fuck knows what
16:31 Chillum If there were a strip of timing lines at even intervals you could even just put it into a depression and hand pull it across, if they were wide enough a bit of slant would be okay
16:31 Chillum mag stripe cards that can be swiped at variable speeds(different speeds in the same swipe) use a timing signal
16:31 Chillum shoudl not be much different
16:32 ascii_field Chillum: aha.
16:32 Chillum that paper is easy to mangle
16:32 ascii_field i'll go further, and say that one could straight encode ps/2 clock and data signals as barcode.
16:32 ascii_field that way reader is -100% analogue-
16:32 Chillum good idea
16:32 ascii_field -analogue-.
16:32 nubbins` what's danielpbarron's nodes running, bsd?
16:33 ascii_field http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol
16:33 assbot The PS/2 Mouse/Keyboard Protocol ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3XBb )
16:33 ascii_field http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/waveform3.jpg
16:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3Xkw )
16:33 ascii_field (and if you don't have a ps/2 jack you don't have a computer, sorry)
16:33 Chillum that usb2ps2 converter is surely NSA tampered
16:35 Chillum I think you would want some level of error correction built in
16:36 ascii_field redundancy also works.
16:36 nubbins` !up ascii_field
16:36 thestringpuller !up ascii_field
16:37 nubbins` raced ya
16:37 thestringpuller :P
16:38 ascii_field Chillum: re: tampered keyboard adapters: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044644 << mandatory reading
16:38 assbot Logged on 06-03-2015 23:41:18; asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling.
16:38 ascii_field including linked thread.
16:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00026972 = 22.4137 BTC [+]
16:39 ascii_field and ask yourself the question, when contemplating whether a piece of hardware could have been boobytrapped - what would you, in the place of the enemy, place as the payload ?
16:39 ascii_field that is, that 1) yields something useful 2) in a situation that is actually likely to play out 3) isn't embarrassingly obvious
16:39 Chillum buy hardware first, become target of major government second
16:40 ascii_field Chillum: how does that work if it isn't already boobytrapped
16:40 Chillum of course there is the act of making all adapters a bit noisy by poor design so it can be picked up on radio
16:40 ascii_field telepathy ?
16:40 ascii_field noisy - sure
16:40 ascii_field i can pick up my keyboard from 50+ metres
16:40 ascii_field (see log)
16:40 * Chillum wants a room sized Faraday cage
16:41 ascii_field Chillum: what of the mains wiring ?
16:41 Chillum though a cold wallet sized Faraday cage is a more reasonable endeavour
16:41 ascii_field the mains is the hard part
16:41 Chillum Do UPS battery packs help?
16:41 ascii_field commercial cells are good for a few dozen cycles, max.
16:42 ascii_field tend to lose half or so capacity after five or six.
16:42 Chillum surely there must be something that can either clean the signal or noise it up so much you can't see anything else
16:42 ascii_field Chillum: there is. but not cheap.
16:42 ascii_field and not available to consumers.
16:42 ascii_field you will have to actually understand the physics. and build it
16:42 Chillum I am thinking the power systems for RVs, they run a lot and I think they can be charged from the mains
16:42 ascii_field the 'cage' per se is the easy part.
16:43 ascii_field Chillum: rv has engine, alternator.
16:43 Chillum yes, but at least some of them you can plug into utilities while parked
16:43 ascii_field afaik they use traditional lead-acid batteries.
16:44 ascii_field which are quite the same as ups battery.
16:44 Chillum if you only discharge a vehicle battry 20% before charging it they last a good amount of time
16:44 Chillum they don't like to be deeply drained though
16:44 Chillum there are a lot of <10 watt computers
16:45 Chillum charge one battery, use another. Then switch. No signals should get out then
16:45 Chillum not through the wire at least
16:45 ascii_field re: qr: finally found the paper i was looking for: https://www.sba-research.org/wp-content/uploads/publications/qrinception.pdf
16:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB738a )
16:45 * Chillum saves the url for later, I don't load pdfs on this computer
16:46 ascii_field ^ describes 'qr in qr' attack
16:46 ascii_field with examples.
16:46 Chillum a lot of readers can have their mode changed to accept other types of codes by giving it a special UPC
16:46 Chillum so if it is set to UPC only you can still activate QR and inject long strings, which a lot of software does not expect
16:47 Chillum one of my favorite defcon talks of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT_gwl1drhc
16:47 assbot DEFCON 16: Toying with Barcodes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB7uPR )
16:48 ascii_field a traditional barcode can be decoded with your eyes, and some patience, to verify. try this with qr.
16:48 Chillum yes, you can see that each number is the same pattern of lines
16:48 Chillum qr is meant to be dense, not simple
16:50 ascii_field the correct way to do 2-dimensional barcodes would be 1) traditional barcode laser pen, combined with 2) something like a small gramophone
16:51 Chillum he shows how to turn on multi-code qrs, then mysql inject a computer attached to the reader
16:51 ascii_field that way 1) reader is analogue, as the gods intended
16:51 Chillum example of a reader being too smart
16:51 ascii_field and 2) there is no 'picture in picture' idiocy possible
16:51 ascii_field Chillum: that isn't the fault of the barcode gizmo, now, is it.
16:51 ascii_field Chillum: may as well presume a winblows xp box, etc.
16:52 Chillum the gizmo allowed special codes from the public manual to turn on features that were supposed to be off
16:52 Chillum so it shares some of the fault
16:52 ascii_field this is why i suggested an analogue driver of ps/2 kbd lines
16:52 Chillum it went from fixed length only to variable length. The software was a fool to trust it though
16:52 ascii_field it cannot behave as anything other than a keyboard. no matter how much it wants to.
16:53 Chillum can it send keys like ctrl-alt-sysreq??
16:53 Chillum a keyboard can do a lot of damage
16:53 ascii_field Chillum: if your machine has magic keys, your problem
16:53 Chillum rs232 seems better
16:54 ascii_field also works
16:54 ascii_field but harder!
16:54 ascii_field because no clock.
16:54 ascii_field rs232 is asynchronous
16:54 Chillum I would use an arduino nano or something to decode and tx the data
16:54 ascii_field i mentioned ps/2 kbd for specifically that reason
16:54 ascii_field Chillum: NO
16:54 ascii_field not analogue.
16:54 Chillum you can use audit-able code
16:55 Chillum so what?
16:55 ascii_field why do this when you can have -no- code ?
16:55 ascii_field the best code is no code.
16:55 Chillum you are using the ps/2 driver for your code
16:55 Chillum what about the bios? if the device is reset can you send keystrokes to the bios?
16:55 ascii_field Chillum: read the specificity principle discussion linked earlier
16:56 Chillum keyboard seems risky
16:56 Chillum at least you need an OS present before the rs232 is read, keyboards are read before the OS is loaded
16:56 ascii_field Chillum: why on earth would you spin the gramophone attached to a computer with no os loaded ?
16:57 Chillum hostile user?
16:57 ascii_field hostile user picks up the machine and takes it home.
16:57 Chillum the device can have physical security with only a rs232 port within reach
16:57 ascii_field he doesn't belong in any discussion of computer security.
16:57 Chillum sorry, but a guy at the computer being hostile is certainly part of real word computer security
16:57 ascii_field 'hostile user' connects it to mains.
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16:58 mats lol...
16:58 ascii_field http://geekotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/image37.png
16:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB9YOm )
16:58 Chillum could be an inside job, bad employee
16:58 Chillum lolm, that will do damage
16:58 ascii_field IRRELEVANT to discussion of barcode machine.
16:59 Chillum Well if I build something like this I won't hook the user input up to the port that controls the bios
17:00 Chillum the keyboard port is basically the ultimate authority
17:00 ascii_field Chillum: if your keyboard is 'ultimate authority' at all times, your system is misconfigured and you deserve to be owned.
17:00 Chillum again, reboot, press F1, adjust bios
17:01 Chillum I suppose you could put a bios password in, and disable all kernal triggers
17:01 ascii_field Chillum: again, if i can sit down at your keyboard and immediately reboot, your box is misconfigured and you deserve to be owned.
17:01 Chillum and find everywhere else modern OS's access the keyboard
17:01 Chillum or you could use RS232 with a little microcontroller to read the upc
17:02 ascii_field Chillum: if your box can be rebooted or otherwise interestingly reconfigured without root pw, you deserve to be owned.
17:02 ascii_field if you play gramophone into a root shell, you deserve to be owned.
17:02 Chillum I am not confident I could find every single thing that reads the keyboard. I am confident I can secure rs232
17:03 nubbins` mildly on-topic, my old man is into woodworking and occasionally sends me links to wooden computers
17:03 Chillum at the very least I would want a filter to remove any non-printable keystrokes
17:03 ascii_field Chillum: i'm surprised that you have not suggested reconstructing the baud clock using analogue means
17:03 ascii_field which is the actual best solution to this
17:03 ascii_field and lets you use rs232
17:03 nubbins` big ol' adders and stuff
17:04 Chillum punch cards?
17:04 nubbins` https://woodgears.ca/marbleadd/index.html
17:04 assbot Binary marble adding machine ... ( http://bit.ly/19zlVaf )
17:04 nubbins` marbles
17:04 ascii_field nubbins`: https://archive.org/details/tinkertoycomputer00dewd
17:05 assbot The Tinkertoy computer and other machinations : Dewdney, A. K : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/19zm2T8 )
17:05 Chillum A.K. Dewdney is awesome
17:05 Chillum The Planiverse is a cool book
17:05 Chillum modern version of Flatland
17:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127957 @ 0.00026972 = 34.5126 BTC [+]
17:08 Chillum if you do use the keyboard port create a ps/2 fuzzer with the arduino ps/2 library. Send it all kinds of random stuff, see if you can cause unexpected behavior.
17:08 Chillum fuzzing will find all kinds of stuff a careful search of an OS/codebase will
17:09 Chillum not
17:09 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:09 ascii_field Chillum: good student project
17:10 ascii_field Chillum: you don't even need a microcontroller. can bitbang ps/2 trivially with parallel port of another machine nearby.
17:10 Chillum I was thinking something like a Digispark, probably cost about the same as the parallel/ps2 cable
17:10 ascii_field it costs 0
17:10 ascii_field dive into your junk bin.
17:11 Chillum that is a way to go
17:11 ascii_field Chillum: i thought it was obvious that this is not a commercially-available device.
17:12 Chillum I want to make a digispark that when plugged in to usb sends a very long password from the eeprom, then erases it several times
17:12 Chillum eeprom erasure is not perfect but it is better than most mediums
17:12 mircea_popescu why even put it in the eeprom at all.
17:12 Chillum yes that was obvious
17:13 Chillum it won't have power when it is not plugged in
17:14 mircea_popescu notbad.jpg
17:14 Chillum the idea is that you load the key with a password in secure location A, then you got to insecure location B, use it to start a computer and it erases itself
17:14 mircea_popescu but ...
17:14 Chillum TPM would be crucial
17:14 mircea_popescu maybe this hasn't been thoroughly thought through.
17:15 mircea_popescu what in insecure location b prevents it from making a copy of your key ?
17:15 Chillum TPM monitored OS, and physical security. You don't want your cold wallet to have its keys in plaintext
17:16 Chillum it could also be used to send a payload to a system and remove evidence
17:16 Chillum of what the payload was, or that you had it
17:17 mircea_popescu seems like a not-so-insecure b.
17:17 BingoBoingo !up SquirtPrincess
17:17 Chillum all passwords can be stolen if you use them, we still use them
17:17 Chillum the alternative is no password, no need to even steal it
17:18 mircea_popescu i'm just unsure of what problem you're attacking, but anyway.
17:18 ascii_field Chillum: tpm is a scam
17:18 Chillum what problem does a hammer solve? This is a general purpose tool for sending a text payload as a keyboard and erasing itself
17:18 ascii_field Chillum: it exists solely to 'secure' the system against -you-, the owner.
17:18 ascii_field for the benefit of microshit
17:18 mircea_popescu Chillum butif you trusat the tpm in the first place,
17:19 mircea_popescu why do you even need your cooked digispark
17:19 Chillum I am sure there is a master key out there
17:19 mircea_popescu your aproach to security is very strange.
17:19 Chillum I was thinking the same thing
17:19 mircea_popescu in any case : a hammer is not a good analogy for your item.
17:19 mircea_popescu a self-licking icecream cone perhaps better.
17:19 ascii_field mircea_popescu: thread was originally about my dislike for qr and gedankenexperiment involving a more reasonable means of encoding machine-readable bits on paper.
17:19 mircea_popescu it does... something.
17:20 mircea_popescu ima catch up on logs in a sec
17:21 mircea_popescu o hey SquirtPrincess wants to boobs ?
17:21 Chillum its white hat applications are limited, but lots of black hat applications
17:21 SquirtPrincess thxs <3
17:21 SquirtPrincess sure do
17:21 mircea_popescu so your prior work ? got a link ?
17:21 SquirtPrincess i need like 15 mins though <3
17:22 mircea_popescu aite.
17:22 mircea_popescu i'll be here for a while.
17:22 nubbins` understatement
17:22 mircea_popescu Chillum isn't that even on the face improbable ? if it doesn't work for one or the other it wouldn't work in general.
17:22 SquirtPrincess prior work would my niteflirt account or camsdotcom or nakeddotcom work
17:22 mircea_popescu link.
17:23 Chillum what do you mean? You could plug it in and it could in a matter of seconds download and install something onto a windoze box and then erase the evididence. Would be useful to any blackhat or penn tester
17:23 ascii_field Chillum: out of curiosity, why do you take an interest in what happens to winblows boxes ?
17:24 Chillum people use windows
17:24 mircea_popescu could be cheaper to just rent a boix.
17:24 Chillum sad I know
17:24 * ascii_field does, for instance. but this is because some people pay him very good money for it
17:24 SquirtPrincess https://www.niteflirt.com/listings/show/9958923-Lonely-waiting-for-my-phone-to-ring-playinon-Skype.
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17:24 nubbins` ascii_field does, for instance. but this is because some people pay him very good money for it <<< /me did for same
17:24 ascii_field caring what happens, that is. there is not enough money in the world to pay me to -use- winblows
17:24 Chillum windows is something victims use
17:24 nubbins` i used to work with a guy who brought his own mac pro to the office and ran windows in a vm
17:24 nubbins` no joke
17:25 Chillum I need to smoke something
17:25 mircea_popescu iirc ascii_field did something similar.
17:26 ascii_field emulators, virtualizers, etc. - many ways to do it
17:26 ascii_field when must
17:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213650 @ 0.00025559 = 54.6068 BTC [-] {4}
17:27 ascii_field most folks in the business have a few dedicated physical boxes, also (with removable hdd, segregated net, etc)
17:27 mircea_popescu https://biancabibiri.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/generoasa.jpg << this, incidentally, is like the icon of poverty.
17:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19ztJbM )
17:27 mircea_popescu bad titjob in cheap dress, among a rural setting being transformed into high density "houses".
17:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080651 << yeah, exponentially. look at the demographic history of the americas if unconvinced.
17:30 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 11:37:20; nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only. humans don't actually breed like that. <<< what, exponentially? o.O
17:30 ascii_field mircea_popescu et al: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/kingston/mlwg2 << ~30 usd qty. 1
17:30 assbot Kingston Mobilelite Wireless MLWG2 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdLom3 )
17:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080655 << but it does EXACTLY model an intelligent designer. quite literally : it is intelligent, and it creates the world as described in bible.
17:31 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 11:43:48; nubbins`: rather than lame ol' intelligent design
17:32 nubbins` oh pssh, "intelligent design" leaves the construction of said intelligence out of the picture
17:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080671 << i wish they stopped abusing children with this freakshow circus act business.
17:32 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 13:28:56; nubbins`: "I discovered Bitcoin before fiat money since my Bitcoin wallet is 4 years old and my bank account is 1." -17 year old Louison Dumont, founder of Bitproof.io, on ZapChain AMA
17:32 nubbins` if they had a good backstory for THAT, maybe
17:32 mircea_popescu nubbins` only because the people normally discussing it lack any experience of intelligence.
17:32 nubbins` :D
17:33 nubbins` more like magic design, amirite?
17:33 mircea_popescu well, as deedee aptly put it, "do with your magic science or something!"
17:34 mircea_popescu holy shit the only google reference to that is a logs link.
17:34 nubbins` i ran into this situation twice in the past two days
17:34 ascii_field mircea_popescu: welcome to the club
17:34 mircea_popescu anyway, dexter's laboratory was this great show from the 2nd golden age of animation (animaniacs, etc)
17:34 * ascii_field runs into this daily
17:34 nubbins` haha
17:34 mircea_popescu dexter was a boy jenius, his sister dee dee was kind-of a 7 yo model of a valley girl
17:34 nubbins` eventually google search results for any topic will link to log
17:34 mircea_popescu and her relation to "technologee" was... well... of this nature.
17:35 nubbins` ah yes, deedee!
17:35 nubbins` my laborrahtory!
17:35 nubbins` incidentally, samurai jack
17:35 mats Chillum ruined today's logs
17:35 mircea_popescu he's new.
17:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080673 << ahahahaha
17:36 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 13:29:56; nubbins`: i discovered my asshole before my mouth because my mouth is 33 years old and my new buttplug is 5.
17:36 Chillum don't worry, I will drink the coolaid before too long
17:37 nubbins` please don't
17:37 mircea_popescu clearly, this person should be in charge of ^H^H^H used as a front for a thing intended to be marketed to the sort of idiots who like to hear this sort o fnonsense. you know, like randi zuckerberg going to davos.
17:37 mircea_popescu Chillum think of this place as virginity club. we definitely encourage all the young'uns to keep theirs.
17:37 mircea_popescu mysteriously, they don't.
17:38 mircea_popescu anyway, i find it quite morally dubioous and in any case aesthetically abhorrent, to see the structural mental issues of adolescents used in this manner.
17:39 mats it doesn't have anything to do with koolaid
17:39 mircea_popescu the teacher telling an insecure teen she's pretty to fuck her at least uses her naturally. the idiots telling this kid he's creative and intelligent and so on are abusing him and going against nature.
17:39 Chillum it is just an expression which means to accept the ideas of a group
17:39 Chillum very few kids are creative or intelligent, but some are
17:39 mircea_popescu Chillum i thought it had to do with identity.
17:40 mircea_popescu no kids are either, nor could they be.
17:40 Chillum adults for that matter
17:40 mircea_popescu there do certainly exist kids who MIGHT , once they're adults, be creative or intelligent.
17:40 mircea_popescu but no children can be either creative or intelligent. being childen is a full time job.
17:40 mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is why there's no more child labour.
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205900 @ 0.00024955 = 51.3823 BTC [-] {5}
17:41 Chillum so Ludwig van Beethoven was not creative until he was an adult?
17:41 mircea_popescu you're looking for mozart.
17:41 Chillum Beethoven's musical talent was obvious at a young age
17:41 Chillum mozart too
17:41 mircea_popescu sure.
17:42 mircea_popescu but in b's case that "very young" is mostly 20s.
17:42 mircea_popescu which yes was rare.
17:42 mircea_popescu in m's case is more like.,.. 12. but note that his father DID exploit him as a monkey act
17:42 mircea_popescu with the entire array of ill effects.
17:42 Chillum I would say the a low percentage of adults are creative or intelligent, and a lower non-zero person of children too
17:43 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:43 Chillum really clever kids exploit the adults, not the other way around
17:43 ascii_field notice that nobody plays anything mozart wrote when 12.
17:43 ascii_field it was good for 12 but bad mozart.
17:43 Chillum I odn't know anyone who play mozart
17:43 mircea_popescu ascii_field actually i ocasionally listen to his early stuff. it's not entirely unknoiwn.
17:43 ascii_field i do also
17:43 mircea_popescu where the heck do you live.
17:43 ascii_field not -entirely- unknown
17:43 mircea_popescu ascii_field it is generally a good way for postgrad level students to practice.
17:43 ascii_field but not obsess-loved
17:45 * ascii_field struggles to recall if mircea_popescu had an essay re: mozart's sister
17:45 mircea_popescu now : mozart may well stand as an exception. the anonymous child with the idiotic "bitcoin website" is no mozart.
17:45 mircea_popescu he's just an unfortunate soul with an abusive family that's being quite publicly raped.
17:46 mircea_popescu if we're going to do public rape of children i'd rather see the sexual abuse of little girls, as unseemly that is, than this intellectual outrage.
17:47 mircea_popescu mats might be chinese capital realligning for unfathomable reasons.
17:47 mircea_popescu the russians did a lot of that in the 00s, pushing the various euros for whatever bizarro kremlin reasonings drove the oligarchs
17:48 mircea_popescu !up SquirtPrincess
17:48 nubbins` so local telco refuses to change the caller id on my landline to business name unless i run copper(!) to the house for $130 setup fee and sign up for a $60/mo POTS
17:49 jurov no voip provider around?
17:49 nubbins` jurov i currently have fiber to the door from same telco that includes home phone service
17:49 mircea_popescu yeah, you actually using landline phones ?!
17:49 nubbins` well, no. cordless phones, dead for ~6 months now.
17:49 nubbins` so right now i'm paying $30/mo for a phone number i don't use
17:49 mircea_popescu lolk.
17:49 * ascii_field actually misses the voice quality of true non-ip landline phone
17:49 nubbins` and i wanted to change it over to the business
17:50 nubbins` but i apparently cannot do this
17:50 mircea_popescu alternatively, make the lease in the corp name. they'll have to do it then.
17:50 nubbins` what lease?
17:50 nubbins` :D
17:50 mircea_popescu you hold the place in some sort of form neh ?
17:50 mircea_popescu squatting pinkeye ?
17:50 nubbins` death pledge.
17:50 mircea_popescu huh ?
17:50 nubbins` mortgage
17:51 * nubbins` "owns"
17:51 mircea_popescu rent it to corp.
17:51 mircea_popescu anyway, consult a lawyer.
17:51 mircea_popescu you've unwound a bit of thread that indicates you're unoptimized in more ways than just phones.
17:51 jurov wtf.. i have both cell and fiber signed on corporation without prob
17:51 jurov (in my flat)
17:52 mircea_popescu jurov you don't live in idiotaria, which im starting to think is what columbus actually discovered.
17:52 nubbins` all i want is internet service to be billed to residential and phone service to be billed to business
17:52 nubbins` i flatly cannot do this at the same rate as i could if both are residential
17:52 mircea_popescu that's true.
17:52 nubbins` this is all that's grinding my gears
17:52 nubbins` they won't update an entry in a database
17:53 jurov change your name to Pink Eye :D
17:53 nubbins` heh :D
17:53 mircea_popescu then he could go to a marathon and the announcer could say
17:53 mircea_popescu and pink eye prints sprints, and he's got it ladies and gentlemen!
17:53 nubbins` but then the caller id would say "Eye, Pink"
17:54 nubbins` stink eye sprint company
17:54 chetty http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/stockton-smart-meters-explode-after-truck-causes-power-surge/
17:54 assbot Stockton Smart Meters Explode After Truck Causes Power Surge « CBS Sacramento ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdQ4Z0 )
17:54 mircea_popescu you could change your name to Stink the Shrink
17:54 nubbins` anyway IDGAF about uptime guarantees or *whatever the fuck* makes a business phone cost more
17:54 nubbins` i just want a phone number that i can put in the YP, ya know?
17:54 mircea_popescu what the hell do those meters do.
17:55 mircea_popescu yp ?
17:55 ascii_field chetty, mircea_popescu: we have these here.
17:55 ascii_field gsm modem in each.
17:55 jurov they retransmit keyboard emanations
17:55 ascii_field there are no longer 'meter men' who come in person to read the number.
17:55 mircea_popescu jurov wouldn't seem impossible.
17:56 ascii_field oddly enough, the water meters don't have gsm
17:56 ascii_field they have short-range radio and a stereotypical 'nsa van' has to come by
17:56 ascii_field and read a street monthly
17:56 mircea_popescu cause older ?
17:57 jurov i have these too. but for whatever reason, dude had to come in anyway and connect it by usb
17:57 mircea_popescu anyway, a) why wouldn't you surge protect what sounds pretty costly and b) what the fuck is in there to explode.
17:57 ascii_field a) chinese
17:57 mircea_popescu jurov whatever reason being you know, need jerbs.
17:57 ascii_field b) the rectifier
17:57 mircea_popescu oh oh
17:58 mircea_popescu yeah, might as well put a rectifier in there if you're going to the trouble of modems and shit
17:58 ascii_field it's a computerized gadget, like pogo
17:58 ascii_field runs on dc
17:58 ascii_field incidentally, has debug port
17:58 ascii_field (see 'defcon' talk a few yrs ago)
17:58 chetty just another little piece of the control grid, but apparently this piece is also hazardous to your health and property
17:59 ascii_field and even in the old days, sc4mz0rz often masqueraded as 'meter men'
17:59 ascii_field the fine tradition continues today.
17:59 mircea_popescu !up freeborn
17:59 chetty now they can just drive by and tell if anyone is home to case the joint
18:00 ascii_field chetty: no need to even drive
18:00 mircea_popescu listen freeborn, get in the wot, and note that as eulora is coming out these coming days, we'll be looking for people to maintain binaries.
18:00 ascii_field chetty: gsm modem, remember
18:00 jurov if it used power source design with capacitors, they do explode on overvoltage
18:00 mircea_popescu ascii_field nah, these days scamzors masquerade as "special agents"
18:01 ascii_field jurov: incidentally, this is SOP in cheapo dc gadgetry that runs off the mains
18:01 ascii_field e.g. pNohe chargers
18:01 chetty well I am sure the data is all there, basement of big buildings and all
18:01 ascii_field transformerless design
18:01 ascii_field very sensitive to spikes
18:01 mircea_popescu speaking of which bit : the guy made, according to court documents, a very cushy 20k A MONTH. which, let it be noted, is a lot more than media whores a la sam altman actually take home.
18:01 mircea_popescu now consider that this man was willing to throw away the goodwill of the behemoth for simply... three times that, and tell me
18:01 mircea_popescu what does the devil have to pay force to love him ?
18:01 chetty a dime?
18:01 ascii_field mircea_popescu: he wasn't just working for the 20k
18:02 ascii_field but for being man, not muppet
18:02 ascii_field if only secretly under his blanket
18:02 mircea_popescu heh.
18:02 ascii_field there are many who betray for free
18:02 ascii_field just to have agency
18:02 ascii_field in ussr - dozens
18:02 ascii_field (that we even know of)
18:02 mircea_popescu how many of these are there ? (all of them, within reasonable tolerance). how many of these are more than willing to work under a power's blanket, if that power's powerful, rather than their own ? (a bunch)
18:02 mircea_popescu and so there we go.
18:03 ascii_field and thousands of minor malingerers who wanted to do something - anything - to fuck the beast
18:03 mircea_popescu everyone could have problems. usg's actually got problems.
18:03 chetty well given that the rule of law is no more, no reason not to have a little 'fun'
18:03 mircea_popescu and there you have the chief importance of snowden, strategically : he drove home the fear.
18:03 ascii_field wake me up when it has problems taking half of what i earn.
18:04 ascii_field and half again of what remains in other ways.
18:04 mircea_popescu nobody in the usg can do anything anymore. it's not just that i have their home address and i know who their wife is fucking better than them.
18:04 mircea_popescu it goes all the way to the fucking bones.
18:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170396 @ 0.00025713 = 43.8139 BTC [+] {3}
18:08 jurov http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison
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18:08 jurov "When Dave paid John 25 MAK for a workout, every inmate in the yard would take out their notebook and jot down the transaction."
18:09 ascii_field infuriating idiot pretending he invented publicly announced debts
18:09 mircea_popescu ahahahaha win
18:10 ascii_field (sop in ru and probably every prison on the planet since babylon at least0
18:10 mircea_popescu ascii_field they're new.
18:10 mircea_popescu next decade, they invent involuntary tattoos
18:10 mircea_popescu first best ever.
18:11 ascii_field and, the imbecile - i can understand. the press going along ?
18:11 mircea_popescu o, that's their job. amplifying stupid is what the press does.
18:12 trinque motherboard (vice) probably thinks they're being edgy having an article written by Shrem
18:12 mircea_popescu defo
18:12 mircea_popescu also, they think they're edgy giving him 50 cans o tuna or w/e they use,
18:12 mircea_popescu and he's desperate for some capital, because jew boy really thinks that's how you survive prison
18:12 mircea_popescu etc.
18:13 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
18:13 mircea_popescu so these people here... they didn't like the set-up where the half week off for easter didn't bridge twoi weekends, so they called a general strike.
18:13 mircea_popescu samba si, trabajo no!
18:15 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080875 << sounds like a broad rehash of stuff discussed here/on trilema last year or something.
18:15 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 18:53:48; ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html
18:15 mircea_popescu not that it's such a big deal to add 2 and 2 and get 4.
18:16 SquirtPrincess sprry for the delay had unexpected company
18:17 SquirtPrincess sorry*
18:19 mircea_popescu dawg how hard is it to post a link.
18:19 mircea_popescu !up SquirtPrincess
18:19 mircea_popescu so, link to your prev work ?
18:19 SquirtPrincess thxs <3
18:20 SquirtPrincess https://www.niteflirt.com/listings/show/9958923-Lonely-waiting-for-my-phone-to-ring-playinon-Skype
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18:21 SquirtPrincess dies that work ?
18:21 SquirtPrincess does*
18:21 mircea_popescu no. previous work = pictures of you nude that you have previously published. this is not a 100x100px icon, and it is not a R rated thing.
18:22 SquirtPrincess k one sec let me see
18:22 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " This is not akin, for example, to two people using the same model of mobile phone but both having software that is out of date. Rather, the outdated version that both "French Maid" and FORCE (as Nob) used is more of a "signature" given the greater number of versions available." << such a bizarre notion, this.
18:22 SquirtPrincess cams.com/SQITPRINCESS?fromsearch=1
18:23 mircea_popescu how is it not exactly like having ... you know, a router that runs, as Chillum well points out, decade old binaries ?
18:24 mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess you mean http://graphics.cams.com/images/streamray/streams/SQITPRINCESS.gif ? mno.
18:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJMgc6 )
18:24 SquirtPrincess cyea im trying to find an r rated one
18:24 mircea_popescu you know if you're trying to make a living with this you gotta have them like in a holster. like your business card.
18:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "increases the cost to and adversary and might permit" <<
18:26 mircea_popescu "or simple hoping for the best." << simply ?
18:26 mircea_popescu because they word about various turds <<
18:27 mircea_popescu if your profession is law enforcement. << that law enforcement should be in scare quotes.
18:28 mircea_popescu dude you need an editor!
18:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080972 << yup, cutting through it. gentoo box is mostly emerged,
18:29 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 20:16:34; chetty: well I guess eulora will get the ultimate test then, mp is planning on installing a copy on such a box soonish
18:29 SquirtPrincess imgur.com/vT6gLTW,tVEerEx
18:29 SquirtPrincess that ok ?
18:29 nubbins` qntra needs an editor and foundation needs some more eyes
18:30 SquirtPrincess http://imgur.com/tVEerEx
18:30 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJNzaV )
18:30 mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess well normally no, because it's just a bodypart rather than you know, you. but at any rate, i'm feeling generous so, put ae654537 on your tits, take a picture, report back.
18:31 SquirtPrincess alright thxs then do i just pm you my BTC address
18:31 mircea_popescu you can post it here just as well.
18:31 mircea_popescu that way people can see you've actually been paid.
18:31 nubbins` dat transparency
18:32 SquirtPrincess great be back in a min <3
18:32 SquirtPrincess i trust you, was checking previous posts <3
18:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080995 << dawg srsly, go type my pubkey.
18:32 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 20:21:35; ascii_field: fingers.
18:33 mircea_popescu be there for the whole day. shit's hard work.
18:35 nubbins` the true test of touch-typing skill
18:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081008 << consider, if you can do the linear without a cpu, you can do the square one also without a cpu, will need a bank of linear readers instead. the reason this is not done is because bitmap interpretation is cheaper
18:35 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu.
18:36 mircea_popescu nubbins` have you ever lelled at the circumstance that if one ever sees pgp used like we use it, it's invariably with a ridoinculous line-and-a-half signature ?
18:36 mircea_popescu i guess lots of touch-typist-securitists out there.
18:36 nubbins` oh man, where did i see the tiniest sig ever the other day...
18:36 nubbins` it srsly was like 3 lines
18:36 mircea_popescu i was like... o look how nice, he did that on the toilet.
18:39 jurov square reader without cpu? thjat is interesting, hope you don't mean scanning line-by-line with linear one?
18:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo o look, we progressed to "fictitious exchange" ?
18:39 mircea_popescu jurov why not ? and no, i said have a bank of them
18:39 mircea_popescu but same idea.
18:40 pete_dushenski cazalla BingoBoingo for qntra's consideration : http://dpaste.com/0PFR82J
18:40 assbot dpaste: 0PFR82J: March 31, 2015 article, by pete ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJPwnN )
18:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pity it's the same 2-3 derps that keep pushing it. i recall some goon or other was having fun with them on tardstalk last year. "really, it's not mps fault X scammer touched you"
18:40 pete_dushenski ^more troubles at bitpay
18:41 jurov ;;seen evoorhees
18:41 gribble evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 36 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 43 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
18:42 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski speaking of which, didn't the bowl thing they sponsored ditch the bitcoin logo recently ?
18:42 pete_dushenski haha! that's the article in fact
18:43 mircea_popescu ah ok.
18:43 mircea_popescu lol
18:43 pete_dushenski i didn't see it in the logs, figured it was freshish
18:43 mircea_popescu i guess they read the logs, looked up this new word "roi", had a mindblow.
18:43 mircea_popescu it is fresh enough, sure. i dun think we really give much of a shit about any particular derps, so kinda wide grate.
18:43 pete_dushenski makes you wonder how business worked before logs were invented
18:44 pete_dushenski wide grate, yes, and seeing the balloon get pricked is pretty satisfying
18:47 pete_dushenski http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-for-prison << shrem derping from behind bars.
18:47 assbot Designing a Bitcoin system to use in prison | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdSN4E )
18:48 pete_dushenski bitcoin+cans of fish = the future of money!
18:48 mircea_popescu yeah that was in log
18:48 pete_dushenski oops
18:48 nubbins` duod do you even ;/
18:48 pete_dushenski i wasn't that far down yet!
18:50 mircea_popescu !up SquirtPrincess
18:52 SquirtPrincess thxs had to find a sharpie that would work uploading now <3
18:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081143 << this actually happened. once upon a time, to save on money, people working on a very expensive piece of machinery used a power plug slot to connect a data interface.
18:52 assbot Logged on 31-03-2015 20:57:59; ascii_field: 'hostile user' connects it to mains.
18:52 pete_dushenski heya Pierre_Rochard
18:52 mircea_popescu then a week later the thing blew, because the cleanning lady disconnected the power and the data sockets, and reconnected them backwards.
18:53 Pierre_Rochard heya pete_dushenski. Contravex gonna sponsor st pete’s bowl this year?
18:53 pete_dushenski i dunno...
18:53 pete_dushenski i hear there's this roi thing that businesses are supposed to worry about
18:54 mircea_popescu lol
18:54 pete_dushenski i figure it might also apply to self-funded blogs
18:54 mircea_popescu it's ok, having no income simplifies things :D
18:54 SquirtPrincess imgur.com/WxUHGwV,WdCWKfE,NA5kWea,MwtIflI#1
18:54 Pierre_Rochard nah, VCs give you money so that you stimulate the economy
18:54 mircea_popescu but anyway, my two bits would be : do not sponsor the stupid shit of the old world. so what if the plebs like to watch basketball ? we don't like plebs.
18:54 SquirtPrincess http://imgur.com/NA5kWea
18:54 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtCmq )
18:55 mircea_popescu invent new shnit, like sponsor kicking around enemy's severed head competition.
18:55 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu well only since you stole ben_vulpes's precious time from vanads and repurposed it towards that foundation thingy
18:55 SquirtPrincess here you go http://imgur.com/WxUHGwV
18:55 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtGCS )
18:55 pete_dushenski LOT OF GOOD THAT'S GONNA DO.
18:55 Pierre_Rochard because you see, one guy buys the sponsorship, ESPN buys some apps, VC makes money, circulate circulate
18:55 SquirtPrincess address is 1AZ4S94SNWvrNp1JvdvmHHZS4NeaKuyGEc
18:55 mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess address ?
18:55 SquirtPrincess 1AZ4S94SNWvrNp1JvdvmHHZS4NeaKuyGEc
18:56 SquirtPrincess http://imgur.com/MwtIflI
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18:56 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1agtT8W )
18:56 Pierre_Rochard my view is bitcoin is a macro-economic phenomena. Advertising it makes as much sense as advertising for a housing crisis in 2005. Throwing away money
18:56 SquirtPrincess may not be the best but i think the biggest i've seen on here lol
18:57 pete_dushenski hm, what other sports can b-a sponsor ? i vote for jai alai
18:57 mircea_popescu well, "best". what's best.
18:57 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski well, sponsor w/e you want, you know ?
18:57 pete_dushenski true enough.
18:57 mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard this is pretty apt actually.
18:57 mircea_popescu "let's advertise for the industrial revolution111!!!"
18:58 pete_dushenski but that's step 2, step 1: income!
18:58 SquirtPrincess well guess that in the eye of the beholder
18:58 pete_dushenski sovereign debt needs advertising more than bitcoin
18:59 Pierre_Rochard pete_dushenski: indeed, larry ellison was not sponsoring America’s Cup boats in the late 70’s
18:59 pete_dushenski ya, sponsoring is for later in life, post-productive years. like charity.
18:59 Pierre_Rochard how much did putin pay you for the russian debt informercial you ran earlier? ;)
19:00 pete_dushenski lol
19:00 pete_dushenski what is this, "disclose all your interests" day ?
19:00 nubbins` boost is huge
19:00 mircea_popescu but yeah, "advertising" will probably survive in the charity part.
19:01 Pierre_Rochard silly sponsorships aside, here’s where some un-named startups are really derping: http://mcfunley.com/choose-boring-technology
19:01 assbot Dan McKinley :: Choose Boring Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1aguSGd )
19:02 pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard my putin pump obviously worked, russia pulled back from 17% to 14% since my article
19:02 pete_dushenski great success
19:02 mircea_popescu lol winctory.
19:02 Pierre_Rochard next conference: pete_dushenski’s russian dacha
19:03 mircea_popescu dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. du nthink the lot of us would fit.
19:03 pete_dushenski we can probably squeeze into the penthouse at the four seasons st petersberg
19:03 Pierre_Rochard well we’ll settle for that then
19:04 pete_dushenski this is for the 11th conference, ya ?
19:04 mircea_popescu i dunno that the russians want our moneyz!
19:05 pete_dushenski well mebbe you should ask them before assuming things.
19:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 391200 @ 0.00024774 = 96.9159 BTC [-] {3}
19:06 mircea_popescu hehe i guess
19:06 mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess yer welcome.
19:08 SquirtPrincess <3 if you need any more or some kitty shots let me know thxs <3
19:09 mircea_popescu aha.
19:10 mircea_popescu where di you hear about it anyway ?
19:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114600 @ 0.00024739 = 28.3509 BTC [-]
19:17 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> [22:00] now consider that this man was willing to throw away the goodwill of the behemoth for simply... three times that, and tell me << keep in mind he came from the DEA, the most notoriously corrupt arm of the militarized 'anti-drug' brigade.
19:17 ben_vulpes and i suspect this IRS action to be in line with (asciilifeform? decimation? mircea_popescu?)'s forcast that bitcoin will split the g-men who can from the g-men who can't
19:17 mircea_popescu yeah well...
19:18 ben_vulpes DEA being very accustomed to "doing things their way", and the IRS wanting a rather tight grip on the bitcoin thing.
19:18 mircea_popescu i suppose the only thing to do
19:18 mircea_popescu is a new department.
19:19 SquirtPrincess sorry was smoking
19:19 SquirtPrincess i was searching for tits for bits and it was like the 4th or 5th link down
19:19 mircea_popescu a hey.
19:20 mircea_popescu so do you make a living at the cam thing ?
19:20 SquirtPrincess thought forsure i was too late, looked like an old post
19:20 mircea_popescu !up SquirtPrincess
19:21 SquirtPrincess a living not really but extra income no doubt
19:21 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> dude you need an editor! << I really might, but things are fixed
19:22 SquirtPrincess some weeks bring 700-800$ and others $100-200 but i only do it part-time
19:23 mircea_popescu Naphex is running a b-a sanctioned webcam thing, maybe give it a look.
19:23 mircea_popescu what was it, xotika.tv ?
19:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... gentoo box is mostly emerged, << congrats mircea_popescu !
19:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: welcome to (what remains of...) gentoo.
19:24 mircea_popescu lol
19:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... dawg srsly, go type my pubkey. << not arguing that anyone should do this, but that qr as we know it defeats the purpose of optical barrier
19:24 mircea_popescu such weird times we live
19:24 asciilifeform because it's as computronic as any wired protocol
19:24 mircea_popescu srsly, off debian ? is it a dream ?
19:24 SquirtPrincess yea tits for bits no one's ever online so
19:24 asciilifeform and in many ways more 'voodoo'
19:25 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i only recently encountered the "qr code in qr code" exploit family
19:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can do the square one also without a cpu, << not qr as we know it!! read the standard, srsly
19:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you will recall the discussion was a narrow use case : you print them, you use them etc.
19:25 asciilifeform or have a pet read it, whoever
19:25 asciilifeform it's quite complicated.
19:25 asciilifeform often there is even compression.
19:25 mircea_popescu nowhere was there any requirement you use the stock thing.
19:25 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ^see gpg'd article above :)
19:26 SquirtPrincess also if you didn;t get it from my name im a Squirter w/ Triple DDDs
19:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... kicking around enemy's severed head competition. << aztecs have stone patent.
19:26 jurov i thought the requirement was you're able to visually(or otherwise) check what you're transmitting throught the gap?
19:26 jurov or are going to learn reading qr?
19:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. << complicated. 'dacha' literally means '[that which is] given.' as in, granted as reward by the king. in soviet times, it was of course not 'given' (except to officials, but even then was not their personal property but more like obama's car.) but for normal folks, the standard was an unheated cabin and the regulation 100 sq. metres of garden.
19:28 asciilifeform jurov: qr breaks most of what i think of as nice things about barcode
19:28 asciilifeform e.g., human readable, but even if you can't be bothered to read - there is some rough correspondence between the length and the payload size
19:28 asciilifeform with qr - no
19:28 asciilifeform all qr look roughly alike
19:29 pete_dushenski "Consider this bit of circumstantial evidence which the government which it alleges connects Force to one of his extortion sockpuppets" << this sentence is borked, BingoBoingo
19:30 asciilifeform qr << and yes, i know what they are used for. but with the transparency they give, may as well be magnetic cards.
19:30 asciilifeform or floppies.
19:30 mircea_popescu actually, if you could have < 1kb floppies i'd prolly use those too.
19:31 asciilifeform you can
19:31 asciilifeform good with a knife ?
19:31 mircea_popescu lol
19:31 asciilifeform but in all seriousness - magstripe
19:31 asciilifeform is a 1kb floppy.
19:31 mircea_popescu anyway, that's the principal advantage set of the qr pass : 1) widely available for cheap 2) limited size.
19:32 mircea_popescu this doesn't makle them fit for a wife. just, work for some purposes.
19:32 nubbins` asciilifeform re: uint32_t : 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't include portatronic patch from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
19:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJV5HM )
19:33 mircea_popescu did we end up with the first version control issue ?
19:33 mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess so what DO you do for a living ?
19:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00024739 = 11.6273 BTC [-]
19:35 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitpay-showing-more-signs-of-trouble-no-longer-st-petersburg-bowl-sponsor/
19:35 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Article up, patch applied to other article
19:35 pete_dushenski wunderbar!
19:38 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski speaking of which, funny how the spam accounts overflowing reddit (specifically reddit, not any other random social spam platform) with news and commentary about the epocal all-important move of bitpay to waste some money
19:38 mircea_popescu aren't now filling it with news and commentary about bitpay's neobee-esque failure mere months down the road.
19:38 SquirtPrincess house work and cam
19:38 mircea_popescu clearly reddit is a legitimate source of news and commentary where actual people post things that legitimately interest them.
19:39 mircea_popescu SquirtPrincess what's house work ? like a maid ?
19:39 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu heh. quite.
19:40 Pierre_Rochard I’ll let y’all know when my paycheck stops clearing
19:40 mircea_popescu prolly the spring of next year.
19:40 mircea_popescu kinda how springs work in bitcoin.
19:40 Pierre_Rochard the old die, the young are born
19:40 SquirtPrincess no just stay at home clean my house lol
19:40 Pierre_Rochard ehrm conceived
19:40 mircea_popescu oh.
19:41 SquirtPrincess i did call center for a while
19:41 BingoBoingo Prolly better that the Bitcoin Bowl ends after one game. At least it ended on a very watchable game.
19:41 SquirtPrincess but f*ck that
19:41 mircea_popescu does it suck worse than cam ?
19:41 mircea_popescu and you're allowed to sday fuck
19:41 SquirtPrincess rather deals w/ dicks online for good $$ then on the phone for tittle winks
19:42 mircea_popescu doesn't pay so good ?
19:42 SquirtPrincess deal w/ dicks either way lol
19:42 Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo: indeed, now we have cash for a nascar sponsorship! /s
19:43 SquirtPrincess not like cams on naked its 4.99 a min and i get 50%
19:43 Pierre_Rochard (btw bitpay already did that: http://www.coindesk.com/bitpay-sponsors-nascar-truck-series-driver/ )
19:43 assbot BitPay Sponsors NASCAR Truck Series Driver ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJWCh6 )
19:43 BingoBoingo Pierre_Rochard: I know BitPay is in the South, but... that seems a bit lowbrow...
19:44 mircea_popescu so like 150 an hour or so... not bad. almost what force made.
19:44 Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo: “this demo doesn’t know anything about btc, clearly should be our target!”
19:45 mircea_popescu in fairness, bitpay is probably the better in that space, on a purely ops/technical perspectrive.
19:45 mircea_popescu coinbase srsly doesn't know what it's doing.
19:45 BingoBoingo The great appeal of American Football is exactly a gladiator show. A gladiator show where fighting is disallowed, the competitors wear personal protective gear, and they are charged some how in spite of that still crippling their opposition. It is grand and it appeals across classes.
19:46 BingoBoingo BitPay really should have just sprung for a New Years Day bowl game.
19:47 Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: well, both made it this far. As for technical side, it is an engineering tour de force to build a semi-functional accounting system on mongodb documents and node.js, no doubt
19:47 mircea_popescu heh,
19:48 Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo: I would’ve opted for golf. Surely has highest % of decision-making people
19:49 mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard definitely. but i dunno who's in charge of spends there. they have nfi what the job even is.
19:49 ben_vulpes a bitcoin messiah'd do pretty well in the south.
19:49 Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: they were let go
19:49 mircea_popescu oic.
19:49 ben_vulpes "it's gold! that the government can't take! or stop you sending!"
19:49 ben_vulpes barring of course rectowhateverwhatever
19:50 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo on my qntra article there, it looks a bit odd on the front page without a "continue reading" link...
19:50 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yes, if you're ready to drop 100mn on this, pick some random christian rock band from mobile, make a movie about the lead vocal, send them on tour,
19:50 mircea_popescu a year later you've got dixiebitcoin in your pocket.
19:50 mircea_popescu prolly not worth the 100mn, but hey.
19:50 pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo golf, or tennis!
19:51 kakobrekla anything that has to do with little balls.
19:51 mircea_popescu tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin.
19:51 mircea_popescu !up SquirtPrincess
19:51 mircea_popescu ahahahaha kakobrekla
19:51 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: fixd
19:51 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo cool beans
19:52 Pierre_Rochard alas, whatever the chairman/ceo is interested in is what gets sponsored. Those fancy seats ain’t free!
19:52 pete_dushenski kakobrekla thems the decision makers!
19:52 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> tennis is more like libertard crowd. they live on govt grants. da fuck they want bitcoin. << Gold and Tennis are too expensive. Also no one watches tennis, bet only sport.
19:53 pete_dushenski i know a buncha old dudes who watch (and play) tennis
19:53 BingoBoingo Play yes, Bet yes, watch... rare
19:53 pete_dushenski it's bnn (business news network) during the day, hockey in the evenings
19:53 pete_dushenski tennis/golf on the weekends
19:54 pete_dushenski they're all well heeled too
19:54 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: 100m, though?
19:54 BingoBoingo Now hockey maybe. All kinds of people can afford to sponsor hockey, also the ball is small and flat.
19:54 pete_dushenski i don't see a lot of them making and taking bets, but they might have bookies.
19:54 ben_vulpes just convince the band that it's god's gift to free humanity.
19:54 ben_vulpes find the charismatic dude and convince him that he's the nth coming.
19:54 ben_vulpes must be the murderous type, though.
19:55 pete_dushenski in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies
19:55 pete_dushenski i dunno what it is about dentists and gambling, but they seem to be bosom pals
19:56 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> in fact, i know that some of the older dentists have bookies << Dentists are also junkies. In his first year dentisting at the medicaid clinic my brother has twice has had other dentists forge prescriptions for themselves off of his numbers.
19:57 pete_dushenski notbad.jpg
19:58 BingoBoingo All together probably half a million dollars and 16 years of higher education time has been flushed by people who don't realize my brother is a boring square.
19:59 pete_dushenski but a rich one!
19:59 pete_dushenski assuming he's practising
19:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo people who don't dare tell the bitchy jewish princess girlfriend to moan like kournikova watch tennis.
20:00 SquirtPrincess thx<3
20:00 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yeah.
20:00 mircea_popescu 100mn. because you don't want the schmuck getting ideas.
20:00 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: If he was rich already he'd work his own practice. He's just high income. Still in his first year, hence medicaid clinic with a bunch of doctors who don't know pharmacists are snitches.
20:01 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ah. So the sort of Jews who don't come here.
20:01 pete_dushenski lel
20:02 pete_dushenski wait, who said that it's a jew dating the jap ?
20:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00025006 = 6.7266 BTC [+]
20:02 pete_dushenski jews, having grown up with the devils, should know better
20:02 pete_dushenski jap = 'jewish american princess'
20:03 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo eh well let's give him a few years
20:04 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: He's actually looking at new employers that pay less, aren't located in East Saint, and where he coworkers won't force him into the contest of his license versus theirs.
20:05 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: yeah but i don't want a schmuck, and i want him to have ideas.
20:05 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: But, "High Income" profession
20:06 ben_vulpes muhammed scale ideas.
20:09 BingoBoingo America's history with Islam is weird. The Founding fathers found Muhamadean culture and scholarship fashionable while the the grandkids can't think of anything worse.
20:10 pete_dushenski aaaand i'm off!
20:17 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
20:17 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 243.98, vol: 8041.90359442 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 240.96, vol: 10548.80132 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.4, vol: 22341.3479467 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 252.13, vol: 14.17978055 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.896382, vol: 128550.65720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 244.42198, vol: 1.026009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 244.013049, vol: 50.57372473 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
20:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo arabism is still fashionable. just another exoticism.
20:30 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure. A number of people love Dubai while hating the current fallout of the British/French partition of the region after the empire
20:31 mircea_popescu i guess so.
20:32 BingoBoingo I mean there were discussion on making Kurdistan a thing.
20:32 BingoBoingo Just the line were drawn stupidly because the British and French wanted "parity"
20:33 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski OH back already?
20:34 pete_dushenski for 2 seconds!
20:34 pete_dushenski because HOLYWTFBBQ happened to the logs!
20:34 pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/FhAsviT << kakobrekla mircea_popescu
20:34 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWPm6z )
20:34 pete_dushenski log1 normal, log.bitcoin-assets.com bizarelly borked
20:34 mircea_popescu lolwut
20:35 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ownered box ?
20:35 pete_dushenski bizarrely*
20:35 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy at that.
20:35 pete_dushenski and it changes when you refresh
20:35 mircea_popescu shtylman, i was trying to recall that fucktard's name. the guy with the hat.
20:36 mircea_popescu obv kakobrekla made an april fool's joke that blew up because he forgot log1 :D
20:36 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Calendar
20:36 mircea_popescu but it is pretty lulzy lol
20:37 pete_dushenski lmao here i was thinking to myself "someone haxxed the logs! and is going to ruin our searches!"
20:37 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski that's what they WANT YOU TO THINK
20:38 pete_dushenski sounds suspiciously like "taxes are good for you and the economy"
20:38 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Best log error evar
20:39 pete_dushenski alright you jokesters, i'm re-heading back out into the world. until tomorrow!
20:41 mod6 <+BingoBoingo> kakobrekla: Best log error evar << that is pretty good hehe
20:42 BingoBoingo I thought last year was good, buy kako puts the cess in success
20:43 mod6 did he fake me out last year?
20:43 mod6 *didn't
20:43 mod6 one year i got gotten iirc
20:52 BingoBoingo !up ebriusinanis
20:52 BingoBoingo http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/31/switch_flasks_switch_products.php << Tiny differences
20:52 assbot Switch Flasks, Switch Products. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWSmjf )
21:02 * jurov is going to bash whole day
21:04 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/
21:05 BingoBoingo !b 2 test
21:05 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1R4ZRB8.txt )
21:17 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
21:17 gribble Current Blocks: 350168 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 615 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50216839506.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.49031
21:18 BingoBoingo nefario: Thinking about taking up Burnside's BTC-TC code sale?
21:19 nubbins` i'll buy it if he doesn't
21:21 BingoBoingo lol gigavps
21:22 BingoBoingo !up ebriusinanis
21:27 mod6 <+ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: auto.sh leads to 'util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type' on my boxes. << what os/arch?
21:28 mod6 yes, was tested on a hand full of environments ( as stated in the ADDRESS ): deb6 (64/32), gentoo (64/32), ubuntu 12/14 (64) and apparently macosx too. not sure what you're running into.
21:29 mod6 many of us were able to build, not just me this time ;)
21:29 danielpbarron i think that was me, and it's most likely a problem with my computer
21:29 mod6 there is a version number in the top of the auto.sh script, which version are you using?
21:29 mod6 oh. ok.
21:30 mod6 it's all good now?
21:30 danielpbarron my computer? no
21:31 mod6 :/ aight
21:31 danielpbarron ironically enough, the same computer that successfully built bitcoind for pogo way back when the project first began
21:33 BingoBoingo !up Pierre_Rochard
21:33 nubbins` afaik asciilifeform is compiling on gentoo
21:33 danielpbarron i am also on gentoo
21:33 nubbins` not sure if he's targeting the same, or the pogo via portatronic
21:34 mod6 so i got everything to compile on obsd, but getting segfaults when trying to run the static binary. core dump looks like its something with threading...
21:34 nubbins` i suspect the latter
21:34 mod6 ok, so remember, version that we have for auto.sh (v0.0.5 & v0.0.5-32) are NOT to be used for cross compiling.
21:35 mod6 if you wanna do that cross compiling stuff, you gotta use ascii's original one.
21:35 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=865245.msg10935804#msg10935804
21:35 assbot 2 missing users ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJQRkZ )
21:37 mod6 we really need two branches of code now i think.
21:37 mod6 these projects are diverging.
21:38 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: (cc: hanbot) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966287.msg10563582#msg10563582
21:38 assbot Alt Convention - 8-10 October Batumi Georgia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJR9sl )
21:38 nubbins` ah, i think it's a bit early for that
21:38 nubbins` the two auto.sh are close enough
21:38 mod6 iirc ascii mentioned it, said he'd maintain the pogo project. it's not a horrible idea.
21:39 mod6 anyway, food for thought.
21:39 nubbins` yeah
21:39 BingoBoingo platform specific patch sets may end up being a necessary evil, even if there isn't a full split
21:39 nubbins` ^ this
21:40 nubbins` so far, at least, i think there's only minor changes needed for the various platforms
21:40 nubbins` or isolated changes, at least.
21:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283450 @ 0.00024996 = 70.8512 BTC [-] {5}
21:44 trinque if it's small stuff should be able to ifdef it
21:44 hanbot BingoBoingo ahaha what a horrorshow. that guy's idiocy is like kudzu.
21:45 BingoBoingo hanbot: Seriously. I haven't seen the old lady sockpuppet though in a while
21:48 asciilifeform i was building amd64
21:48 asciilifeform using published release auto.sh
21:48 asciilifeform barfs on all of my boxes
21:48 asciilifeform in the same way (the integers thing)
21:49 asciilifeform batumi << wtf is 'alternative income' ?
21:51 hanbot it is unlike any other income you have made before.
21:51 nubbins` my buildroot cross-toolchain was still no good, boost needed large file support :o
21:51 * nubbins` compiling again
21:52 danielpbarron nubbins`> what's danielpbarron's nodes running, bsd? << ArchLinux
21:52 danielpbarron if you mean my test pogos
21:53 mod6 asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd.
21:53 BingoBoingo !up ebriusinanis
21:53 asciilifeform mod6: may have to do with gcc version
21:54 danielpbarron nubbins`, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt
21:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4IvOg )
21:54 mod6 most of our testing we were successful with seemed to be gcc 4.4.5
21:54 asciilifeform unrelated, someone needs to take ben_vulpes's rm_rf_upnp patch and turn that into a separate executable that does upnp.
21:54 mod6 the build im trying to work through on openbsd uses like (I can't remember off the top of my head) 4.2.x or something
21:54 mod6 something downlevel anyway
21:54 BingoBoingo <mod6> asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. << I'll go on the record as saying OpenBSD should not be considered "gold standard" unix in the way gentoo is. OpenBSD goes way out of its way to prevent user from hanging self.
21:55 BingoBoingo ;;google site:undeadly.org gcc
21:55 gribble New Compiler Capabilities: -fstack-shuffle and Return Value Guards: <http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140507100510&mode=flat>; BSD Licensed PCC Compiler Imported - OpenBSD Journal: <http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070915195203&pid=52>; Developer Blog: Large Piece of PIE - OpenBSD Journal: <http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20081117202731>
21:55 BingoBoingo ;;google openbsd.org gcc man
21:55 gribble gcc-local(1) - OpenBSD: <http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=gcc-local&sektion=1>; 2 - Getting to know OpenBSD: <http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq2.html>; OpenBSD 5.5: <http://www.openbsd.org/55.html>
21:55 thestringpuller I really need to run OpenBSD soon just to start learning it.
21:55 mod6 BingoBoingo: all of this was very recently tested on gentoo. both 64 & 32 bit.
21:56 mod6 You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd?
21:57 BingoBoingo mod6: Sure. Gentoo is still at its heart Linux. As best as I can tell having lived with it as sole OS for a few months OpenBSD compared to linux is more of an exotica like HP/UX or Slowaris.
21:57 BingoBoingo <mod6> You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd? << Not better, just vastly different targets
21:57 mod6 what about all the "linux is dead" memes?
21:58 nubbins` risc os is alive
21:58 asciilifeform mod6: there's be substance to that if i hadn't just built a 3.18 kernel and full userland into <5MB with no systemd crapolade
21:58 asciilifeform nubbins`: msdos is considerably more alive than riscos
21:59 mod6 what if gentoo adopts systemd next week?
21:59 asciilifeform mod6: it adopted long ago. but on account of how gentoo is designed, easily removed
21:59 trinque the nature of gentoo makes removing it a lot easier
21:59 mod6 (is it the only hold out left?)
21:59 asciilifeform ^
21:59 mod6 oh. ok, didn't even know that.
21:59 BingoBoingo Also some gentoo people spent enough time on OpenRC that OpenRC cannot be easily disappeared
22:00 asciilifeform a default gentoo (to the extent it even makes sense to utter such a thing) built by someone carelessly reading the cookbook will end up with systemd as likely as not
22:00 mod6 i've used gentoo exactly 2x: for testing bitcoind hah
22:00 asciilifeform so you could say it already 'adopted.'
22:00 trinque mod6: "use flags" and package.mask for great justice against systemd, udev, etc
22:01 mod6 someone should publish a "how-to-build-non-derp-gentoo" receipe
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22:01 asciilifeform mod6: exists
22:01 asciilifeform https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd
22:01 assbot Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4K3ry )
22:01 mod6 ah good deal, thanks.
22:01 trinque gentoo is a labyrinth within which one transcends the derpitude
22:01 trinque by breaking and unbreaking his system
22:03 nubbins` asciilifeform i kid :D
22:04 trinque anyone ever tried portage on openbsd?
22:04 trinque "page updated 2006" lol
22:05 asciilifeform 2006 << wai wat
22:05 asciilifeform where?
22:05 trinque https://wwwold.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/obsd/doc/gentoo-openbsd.xml?style=printable
22:05 assbot Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Installing Gentoo/OpenBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJTZO3 )
22:06 trinque redirect from the new site to that from the google result
22:06 asciilifeform aha
22:06 trinque wikipedia says it's on hiatus with no citation
22:06 trinque must be true
22:06 trinque anyhow it's a nice thought
22:06 BingoBoingo trinque> anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? << port are supported and pkg_src are supported porting portage to my knowledge is a work in progress or abandonware
22:06 trinque portage is really what I love, not so much gentoo linux
22:07 trinque BingoBoingo: yeh looks like abandonware
22:07 trinque ports seems almost the way there, but I don't see a way for example to globally mask a package or option as you can with portage
22:07 trinque that imo is the killer feature
22:07 asciilifeform trinque: if you put aside 'portage', gentoo is largely good for the 'unfeatures'
22:07 trinque mhm
22:07 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/
22:07 asciilifeform that is, absence of particular varieties of otherwise-ubiquitous crapolade
22:08 BingoBoingo <trinque> that imo is the killer feature << Portage seems too much a user friendly feature for OpenBSD. They have features, but avoid the kind that attract users with "easy"
22:09 asciilifeform portage is 'easy' until the first multihorned merge conflict
22:09 trinque ^ there are plenty of times when portage just tells you to fuck off and fix it yourself
22:09 BingoBoingo And trying to walk someone through that is/(would be) hell
22:09 trinque pkg_add can be "friendlier" in terms of happily pulling down all kinds of deps
22:10 trinque I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower"
22:10 asciilifeform trinque: in my (since '04) life with gentoo, many times the only 'fix' was to go barbarously outside of portage
22:10 asciilifeform and hammer things in by hand
22:11 asciilifeform never -once- used pkg_add
22:11 asciilifeform or what it was.
22:11 BingoBoingo <trinque> I want to say "no fuck you, never gnome anything, never kde anything, so help you flamethrower" << in my limited experience mostly involves checking version of packages of building with delete key
22:14 trinque I hear ya; still I always like systems where I can declare constraints and have the thing blow up should the constraint be violated
22:14 trinque rather, should something attempt violation
22:15 trinque in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing
22:16 BingoBoingo What, fail deadly is a thing.
22:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16241
22:17 assbot Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJV3kI )
22:18 asciilifeform when do we get a 'second cock solutions' ?
22:18 asciilifeform does 'third key' not immediately evoke an unwelcome interloper to everyone ?
22:18 asciilifeform i can hardly think of a less-appetizing name for anything!
22:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/04/socialist-shill-announces-launch-of-third-key-solutions/#comment-16242
22:19 assbot Socialist Shill Announces Launch of Third Key Solutions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJVhbK )
22:19 BingoBoingo It invokes interloper
22:19 decimation asciilifeform: makers of fine locks often retain the 'master key list'
22:20 BingoBoingo Much as chinese 5.56 assault rifle invokes fifth column invasion and scavengers
22:20 decimation but in that case the end user isn't capable of crafting his key
22:20 BingoBoingo <trinque> in fact we both value constraints, just that yours are in your noggin and I want mine in the thing << Knowing that a thing fails deadly is a value all its own.
22:20 asciilifeform decimation: any lock on which you find an engraved number, is this
22:21 asciilifeform the thing is there for the convenience of locksmith so he doesn't have to mutilate your car or whatnot with picks
22:21 decimation some locks are neigh 'unpickable' too
22:21 asciilifeform these get mutilated.
22:22 decimation point is, there's a third party involved. but crypto doesn't require a third party to machine the keys
22:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it was actually chambered in the american 5.56 ?!
22:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and not ru 5.45 ?
22:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There is a variation of the Chinese type whateverthefuck chambered in American 5.56, Russian 5.xx didn't exist yet
22:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if pre-dates the ru switchover, probably built for expert to hanoi
22:23 asciilifeform *export
22:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Later than that
22:24 BingoBoingo 1980's
22:24 asciilifeform !up ebriusinanis
22:24 decimation was it built for their little brown brothers in vietnam?
22:24 BingoBoingo Built too late for 'Nam.
22:24 BingoBoingo To my knowledge
22:27 decimation usg was hustled by the vietnamese
22:27 decimation most of their 'allies' were communist moles
22:27 asciilifeform ^ well-documented
22:27 decimation wouldn't surprise me if the north vietnamese were supplied with american 5.56
22:28 asciilifeform at any rate, it could well have been produced for 'next vietnam'
22:28 BingoBoingo Type-03 and others in their "export version" are so chambered
22:28 asciilifeform the near east, for instance, could certainly benefit from a few boats of 5.56
22:29 decimation I'm sure israel has 5.56 ammo plants
22:29 asciilifeform the other near east.
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22:29 decimation http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=63189
22:29 assbot Small Caliber Ammunition ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWeAS )
22:29 BingoBoingo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco_CQ
22:29 assbot Norinco CQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWfVo )
22:29 decimation the iranians probably manage it too
22:32 decimation lol why do the chinese bother to make an m4gery
22:32 BingoBoingo Well, the Iranians also fly F-14's
22:33 decimation heh not for long http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/01/31/pentagon-halts-sale-f-14-parts-coveted-by-iran/
22:33 assbot Pentagon Halts Sale of F-14 Parts Coveted by Iran | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJWAau )
22:33 decimation ^ re: ascii's point about modern jets being part of a large industrial base
22:34 asciilifeform see also the gigantic pile of soviet jets in timisoara
22:35 BingoBoingo decimation: Remember that direct sale of parts to Iran has been halted since Ayatollas have been a thing. Iran has had plenty of time to improvise machine shops
22:36 decimation there's a difference between 'a machine shop' and the metallurgy required to make a high-performance jet engine
22:36 asciilifeform not only metallurgy.
22:36 asciilifeform american jets are heavy on semiconductor crapolade
22:36 decimation usg knows precisely which necks to squeeze
22:36 asciilifeform running hell knows what.
22:37 decimation the swiss were famous for re-writing the f-16 code from the ground up
22:38 BingoBoingo https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1698397/heightened-cash-monitoring-list-as-of-march-1-2015.pdf << different lolz
22:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what precisely is this ?
22:41 asciilifeform and notice how all the 'severe findings' (?) entries were censored.
22:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: US colleges whose every finaid dollar is "watch listed" except for the ~60 schools on the most severe watch list
22:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: are these listed in any discernible order ?
22:42 BingoBoingo But seriously if given 3 decades the Iranians lack the foundries and forensics to duplicate the parts... Maybe Allah doesn't want them to be a nation-state
22:42 asciilifeform because, if so, it may be possible to determine the snipped entries
22:42 asciilifeform (even if no order. if the complete list can be found anywhere)
22:42 asciilifeform ^ good qntra project ?
22:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have yet to discern an order. Part of the reason why link dropped here and not on Qntra as "Oh look at how USia Squeezes Struggling Schools"
22:43 asciilifeform they do appear to be sorted by state, for instance
22:45 decimation I'm amused that usg distinguishes between 'proprietary' and 'private'
22:45 decimation which I take to mean "submits to usg T/F"
22:45 BingoBoingo ^
22:46 BingoBoingo Differnce is financial disinterested Board of Directors, vs. trying to save their investment Board of Directors
22:46 BingoBoingo !up ebriusinanis
22:47 decimation right, and the reason for 'disinterest' is because they expect usg to make them whole
22:48 BingoBoingo Pretty much, though some public schools make it like Southern Illinois University's Carbondale campus. But that example is mostly because Illinois is American Somolia
22:50 BingoBoingo List has some serious lulz though, like the entire fucking state of Minnesota at all levels being on the list
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22:54 ebriusinanis you guys still have school? i thought you had ipad nao?
22:54 ebriusinanis oh look, he's swiping
22:55 BingoBoingo ebriusinanis: That didn't start until my first grad school stint and it wasn't mainstream until the last sememster of the second stint
22:55 ebriusinanis yeah well at least you learned wiping first
22:59 nubbins` can't swipe without wipe
23:02 nubbins` dat unsolicited pm
23:03 ebriusinanis shh
23:14 mod6 asciilifeform: any luck with that error?
23:19 nubbins` o-o-o-o-o!
23:19 nubbins` now i see
23:19 nubbins` !up ebriusinanis
~ 20 minutes ~
23:40 BingoBoingo gigavps: <ebriusinanis> whoa, my latin reads like "hes bruisin anus"
23:40 BingoBoingo <ebriusinanis> such reality
23:40 BingoBoingo <ebriusinanis> here i thought i was a poem
23:43 hanbot asciilifeform / gentoo-friendly folks: on emerge, do slot conflicts where the listed package is followed by 0 actually require manual resolution?
23:43 lobbes kakobrekla: aha, thanks for the lulz. I was thoroughly confused for a second ;/
23:45 ebriusinanis ^
23:47 hanbot not even sure i asked that correctly. suffice it to say, want to install a package, have been looking at successive blocked package and slot conflict warnings at each resolution attempt (for said pckg's dependencies), am (naively?) hoping at least some of these can be ignored
23:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00025061 = 12.5054 BTC [+]
23:56 nubbins` hanbot try: emerge --sync; emerge -avuND world
23:56 nubbins` then try again?
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