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00:01 BingoBoingo If there is a part of the cow that tastes more like beef than the tongue I have yet to meet it.
00:03 decimation BingoBoingo: ever had beef (ox) tail soup?
00:03 BingoBoingo Indeed, delicious. Oxtail is also good slow cooked on a kettle grill and finished in sauce a lot like people do with pork and brisket.
00:05 BingoBoingo Brains and eggs I remember as being good, but since this continent has deer with CJD and the UK had mad cow, have to settle for making it with pork brains.
00:05 decimation some folks think that there are beef cows with cjd too
00:05 decimation in the us
00:06 BingoBoingo I wouldn't doubt it.
00:06 decimation https://www.prosper.com < lol silicon valley loan shark
00:06 assbot Personal Loans and Online Investing - Peer to Peer Lending - Prosper ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlrCWu )
00:07 BingoBoingo People catch Brucellosis in "Brucellosis Free" states. If I accept the meta-NSA exists its common name is most likely the United States Department of Agriculture.
00:11 ben_vulpes now there's a great conspiraci(!) theory
00:12 BingoBoingo Seriously
00:15 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
00:16 Adlai "and many humans will find themselves the new horse: unemployable" - cgp grey
00:19 Vexual I think if brussexels had a look at northern Australian, they would say 'don't bother'
00:20 Vexual Jakarta bullocks at 2 / km2 is all youll ever do
00:21 Vexual Peanuts failed and how will we get an inspector anywhere?
00:22 BingoBoingo It's alright. The US peanut butter salmonella scare was traced back to birdshit in the peanut processing plant
00:25 Vexual Fuck those peanuts
00:25 BingoBoingo http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/liberty-justice/make-britain-safer-bring-back-handguns/
00:25 assbot Make Britain safer: bring back handguns « Adam Smith Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/17k6AbY )
00:31 mircea_popescu i remember the times i could safely eat oxtail soup
00:31 mircea_popescu fucking idiot brits srsly.
00:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120300 @ 0.00043079 = 51.824 BTC [-] {3}
00:36 BingoBoingo !up wolverine
00:36 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
00:36 pete_dushenski why ty bb
00:37 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: and happy bday!
00:40 ben_vulpes another amusing tidbit from apple's wholesale collapse in quality on the desktop: no longer does the right arrow in iToonz skip to the next track.
00:40 mircea_popescu wht does it do ?
00:40 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Did Apple even release iTunes ever for Mac OS
00:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.0004398 = 36.2835 BTC [+] {2}
00:41 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: highlights the next album, displaying its tracklist.
00:41 ben_vulpes oh wait
00:41 mircea_popescu well i never used it, so dunno
00:41 ben_vulpes if you switch to "songs" view then the right arrow does the expected thing
00:41 ben_vulpes and the old ui returns, nearly unmolested
00:42 ben_vulpes this is topologically identical to the "Surface" shitshow, where when the retarded windows touch ui gets in your way you can get rid of it and go back to classic windows, with which one interacts with a stylus.
00:42 ben_vulpes baffling.
00:43 pete_dushenski what itunes version ?
00:44 ben_vulpes 12.0.1.26
00:44 ben_vulpes whatever the fuck that means
00:44 ben_vulpes http://www.goethe.de/ges/umw/prj/kuk/fot/roj/enindex.htm << apropos of nothing, really
00:44 assbot goethe.de/climate - Gallery - Villar Rojas, Adrián - Goethe-Institut  ... ( http://bit.ly/17KAOGb )
00:44 pete_dushenski doesn't mean much i suppose
00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00044043 = 10.7024 BTC [+]
00:45 pete_dushenski i have 11.0.1 on this machine and even it's far messier and more byzantine than the older versions i seem to recall
00:45 ben_vulpes those early ipods were phenomenally well designed.
00:46 pete_dushenski and they fetch a pretty penny now too
00:46 ben_vulpes i used nearly every mpwhater whatever object during that time
00:46 ben_vulpes aw, really?
00:46 ben_vulpes i gave one away recently
00:46 pete_dushenski oh ya
00:46 pete_dushenski re goethe thing: "a dingo ate my baby" is the first thing that comes to mind
00:47 ben_vulpes http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-COLLECTORS-Apple-iPod-classic-2ND-Generation-MAC-10-GB-ORIGINAL-BOX-/181536114101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a446545b5
00:47 assbot RARE Collectors Apple iPod Classic 2nd Generation Mac 10 GB Original Box 718908423851 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/17k9Yna )
00:48 pete_dushenski oof
00:49 pete_dushenski ya, $600 for a used 1st gen 5gb
00:49 pete_dushenski which i seem to recall being $500 in 2001 bucks
00:49 ben_vulpes http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1353 << this page is actually omitting the best ipod that was ever released
00:49 assbot Identifying iPod models - Apple Support ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBJGT )
00:49 pete_dushenski so not exactly investment grade art
00:50 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: the best being ?
00:50 ben_vulpes http://www.atpm.com/9.08/ipod.shtml << here we go
00:50 assbot ATPM 9.08 - Review: iPod (30 GB) ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBNGD )
00:50 ben_vulpes ah, no it's there
00:50 ben_vulpes this was actually the best design they ever produced.
00:51 pete_dushenski that was the first one i had too
00:51 ben_vulpes the buttons were physically separated from the scroll wheel
00:51 ben_vulpes glowed this beautiful neon orange.
00:51 ben_vulpes and it was *fast*
00:51 ben_vulpes had a great internal db.
00:51 mircea_popescu The system is designed with simply one outcome in mind: keep the poor with high recidivism rates and minimal social resources in jail-- a sort of half-way house for the disenfranchised-- until you can't possibly justify it any longer, and then give them a quick trial, accept the guilty plea ("what guilty plea?") and sentence them to time served and probation-- where you can add further controls.
00:51 mircea_popescu It's debatable whether keeping potential terrorists in Cuba is a good idea. But when the State starts using pyschiatry to manage their population... I know you think I am exaggerrating. I'll bet you're not poor.
00:52 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> those early ipods were phenomenally well designed. << yes. because they were built around exactly one core value. "what's that for ? fuck you, you're not putting that in here."
00:52 mircea_popescu exactly opposite of systemd "doocracy"
00:53 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what, you think i don't get this?
00:53 ben_vulpes apple only worked because there was one guy at the helm.
00:53 ben_vulpes now ives is steering things and they're trumpeting their solar deals, working on 'watches' and spreading rumors about tesla acquisitions.
00:53 mircea_popescu not just one guy. one guy who systematically hit everyone over the head with crazy ed's snippers encased in concrete
00:53 mircea_popescu but yeah im sure YOU get it. still, a log's a log!
00:54 ben_vulpes gotta leave something between the lines.
00:54 mircea_popescu yes.
00:54 mircea_popescu more lines.
00:55 ben_vulpes which reminds me: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/
00:55 assbot #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/17KCIa1 )
00:55 cazalla i opted for the creative jukebox.. what a piece of shit that was
00:55 ben_vulpes HAH
00:55 pete_dushenski lol
00:55 ben_vulpes i'm in the top 12 for the past twelve months
00:55 ben_vulpes twice!
00:55 ben_vulpes cazalla: i had a rio riot
00:55 ben_vulpes also had a creative jukebox
00:56 ben_vulpes also had all the sony cd players that did mp3s before portable hdds were a thing
00:56 ben_vulpes there was this hilarious embedded ram arms race
00:57 pete_dushenski "Unraveling a mystery that eluded the researchers analyzing the highly advanced Equation Group the world learned about Monday, password crackers have deciphered a cryptographic hash buried in one of the hacking crew's exploits. It's Arabic for "unregistered." "
00:57 pete_dushenski "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5 hash using a computer that tried more than 300 billion plaintext guesses every second. After coming up empty-handed, they enlisted the help of password-cracking experts, both privately and on Twitter, in hopes they would do better. Password crackers Jens Steube and Philipp Schmidt spent only a few hours before figuring
00:57 pete_dushenski out the plaintext behind the hash e6d290a03b70cfa5d4451da444bdea39 was غير مسجل, which is Arabic for "unregistered". The hex-encoded string for the same Arabic word is dbedd120e3d3cce1."
00:57 ben_vulpes ;;later tell the_scourge hey ninjashogun managed to crap more lines into the log over a longer time than you. howzat feel?
00:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:58 pete_dushenski ^somebody was watching team america re-runs while hacking
00:58 pete_dushenski "dirka dirka mohamed jihad!"
00:59 pete_dushenski that, or kaspersky needs to hire a few more people with brains
00:59 ben_vulpes password attacks don't cross languages?
00:59 ben_vulpes man security world must be even more esl than i was given to understand
00:59 pete_dushenski which, given that kasp is sponsoring an f1 car is probably also true
01:00 ben_vulpes dictionary* attacks i mean to say.
01:00 pete_dushenski one would've hoped
01:00 pete_dushenski but kasp is pretty big, and therefore one of there "rubber-stampers"
01:00 pete_dushenski *these
01:00 pete_dushenski they don't need to actually work
01:01 pete_dushenski as alf would call it, it's "security theatre"
01:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00046409 = 36.1758 BTC [+] {3}
01:02 ben_vulpes so the towelheads humilated kaspersky, sending him to twitter for help?
01:02 ben_vulpes good job, boys.
01:05 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: What does 0.5.3.1 resource usage look like when synced?
01:05 pete_dushenski http://www.kasperskymotorsport.com/fileadmin/content/images/slideshow/2015-scuderia-ferrari01.jpg << for motorsports fans, kasp logos can be seen on along the side and top of the front nosecone
01:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/17kcCJO )
01:06 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: i'll let you know when i get there
01:06 ben_vulpes !up pete_dushenski
01:06 ben_vulpes do you even have your keys handy?
01:06 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Alright Just wondering, because my personal 0.7.2 WTF build should sync sometime next week at the latest
01:09 ben_vulpes 0.7.2.W
01:10 ben_vulpes i'm endeavoring to sync a portatronic build
01:10 ben_vulpes and a more-or-less patched-up-to-date-with-mailing-list dynamically linked build
01:11 ben_vulpes and my poor aws instance is laaaaaboring
01:11 ben_vulpes qa for the foundation - what a gig
01:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00047349 = 14.1337 BTC [+] {2}
01:15 ben_vulpes 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
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01:16 BingoBoingo Mega lol >> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/st_louis_should_move_to_illinois_it_doesn_t_belong_in_missouri_anymore.html#
01:17 assbot St. Louis should move to Illinois: It doesn’t belong in Missouri anymore. ... ( http://bit.ly/17kesKv )
01:30 ben_vulpes split?
01:30 mircea_popescu apparently.
01:32 mircea_popescu "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5"
01:32 mircea_popescu dude srsly... ars presenting cracking of md5 as ahigh tech exploit ?
01:32 mircea_popescu did they also catch some "russian sleeper agents" through the time honored spycraft of hussling random vacationers ?
01:33 pete_dushenski fat hairy dude with speedo, big black sunglasses, and foreign accent must be russian spy!
01:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68076 @ 0.00047306 = 32.204 BTC [-]
01:33 mircea_popescu ""Our idea was, if the first hash means 'unregistered' in English, would it be possible that the second hash means 'unregistered' as well, but in Arabic?" Steube said. "So we tried to download some Arabic expansion packs for [website commment app] vBulletin, which is the forum software that was attacked here.""
01:33 mircea_popescu im so impressed.
01:34 pete_dushenski "The Great Internet Power Grab: We’ve come a long way from Steve Jobs as ‘phone phreak’ to Tom Wheeler as ruler of the Internet." << should i know who tom wheeler is ? if he's someone, why isn't he here ?
01:34 mircea_popescu by the way, as commenter points out. https://github.com/FetLife << ruby/mysql running on ubuntu.
01:34 assbot FetLife · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17khjTL )
01:34 mircea_popescu that thing's epic.
01:35 pete_dushenski i have no interest in paying for a wsj sub to see the rest of that article, however
01:35 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: He's the FCC commisioner
01:35 pete_dushenski eh no wonder he's not here!
01:44 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
01:44 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.78, Best ask: 236.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.51000, Last trade: 236.32, 24 hour volume: 11264.62358106, 24 hour low: 231.44, 24 hour high: 241.23, 24 hour vwap: 236.465583945
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02:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00044094 = 17.3289 BTC [-]
02:18 mircea_popescu except "we" haven't come. THEY have gone
02:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004557 = 15.6761 BTC [+]
02:31 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 448 @ 0.00482207 = 2.1603 BTC [-]
02:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00044803 = 20.699 BTC [-]
02:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115750 @ 0.00043528 = 50.3837 BTC [-] {3}
02:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00044618 = 24.0937 BTC [+]
02:53 punkman cazalla: a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few << I pitched this idea a couple times, guess the time has come for it?
02:55 punkman https://bitbucket.org/abfg/gildedtxt/src/601f1fddd338/exchanges/
02:55 assbot abfg / gildedtxt / source / exchanges — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3TJk )
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03:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00042875 = 25.6393 BTC [-]
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03:48 punkman http://static1.squarespace.com/static/526d498ae4b0a8c91472d7d7/t/54e0fd8ce4b05417978a5abb/1424031121397.jpg
03:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9LVmo )
03:49 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-Avwh6CYAAl_aS.jpg
03:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9McWf )
03:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 406100 @ 0.00043313 = 175.8941 BTC [+] {6}
03:54 punkman http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2015/02/the-research-mobile-internet-traffic.html
03:54 assbot Positive Research Center: The research: Mobile Internet traffic hijacking via GTP and GRX ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9Nm4h )
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04:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132052 @ 0.00042452 = 56.0587 BTC [-] {2}
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00042442 = 1.6552 BTC [-]
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05:01 BingoBoingo !up brendafdez
05:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00043523 = 14.1667 BTC [+]
05:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62546 @ 0.00042393 = 26.5151 BTC [-] {2}
05:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2404 @ 0.00042157 = 1.0135 BTC [-]
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05:29 cazalla punkman, oh nice, that'll be a help
05:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00043035 = 3.4643 BTC [+]
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05:46 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0xZG9XZ5w
05:46 assbot Damo and Darren - 'Skatepark' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17dx7YW )
05:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20013 @ 0.00042808 = 8.5672 BTC [-]
05:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65450 @ 0.00042071 = 27.5355 BTC [-] {2}
06:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00042043 = 9.9415 BTC [-]
06:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4245 @ 0.00042019 = 1.7837 BTC [-]
06:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00042018 = 22.9628 BTC [-] {2}
06:33 Adlai ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021145 << incidentally, whippits are also sold in sex shops. surely the local systemd has monetized pleasure?
06:33 assbot Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:59; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you don't say. try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime.
06:33 gribble The operation succeeded.
06:38 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2015#1021140 < i know of a guy (elementary school classmate) who did it on a sloped road. lost a few front teeth.
06:38 assbot Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:31; danielpbarron: maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly
06:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00042912 = 3.5188 BTC [+]
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07:06 jurov catching up with logs and on 'ic printer' ... perhaps fpga-like discs burnable with bluray are more feasible?
07:08 jurov but I have no idea who can be motivated to develop this.. certainly not bezzle valley
07:12 jurov they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density
07:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90532 @ 0.00041986 = 38.0108 BTC [-] {2}
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07:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00042709 = 30.0031 BTC [+]
07:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85593 @ 0.00041967 = 35.9208 BTC [-] {2}
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08:19 * Adlai feels sorry for reference frames that classify sudden di[tz]zyness as "pretty high"
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08:49 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/british-darkmarket-ricin-arrest/
08:49 assbot British Darkmarket Ricin Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSqZRu )
09:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00042709 = 25.4546 BTC [+]
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09:36 danielpbarron height=194563 vs height=183404
09:36 danielpbarron 5400 rpm drive is.. stupidly slow
09:37 danielpbarron might only be useful for copying an already synced chain onto
09:37 danielpbarron i'm sure once it's caught up i'll do fine
09:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86950 @ 0.00042361 = 36.8329 BTC [-] {2}
09:55 cazalla damn susan sarandon is not a bad piece of ass in rocky horror, nothing on magenta but better than the pixelated c64 shit back in the day
10:02 chetty http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2956058/Russian-researchers-expose-breakthrough-U-S-spying-program.html
10:02 assbot Russian researchers expose 'NSA's Secret Weapon' to spy on every computer on Earth | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/17lyV1I )
10:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00042306 = 13.2841 BTC [-]
10:06 lobbes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021517 << Thanks! I'm starting to realize the value of it over the winshits and macshits; that being having control over your computing.
10:06 assbot Logged on 16-02-2015 23:48:30; mircea_popescu: lobbes wd.
10:06 lobbes I have no idea what is running on my bill-gates machine, but I can find that answer in less than a second on my Debian VPS
10:09 lobbes can't wait until I know what I'm doing enough to throw off the 'windows shackles' altogether
10:10 cazalla lobbes, full blown aids
10:12 cazalla now with linux i thought i was clean but turns out i was just hiv positive
10:12 jurov lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know
10:14 mircea_popescu lol i kept messaging assbit
10:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00042869 = 30.0512 BTC [+] {3}
10:14 mircea_popescu lobbes yes. the problem with it is that it's addictive, and soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general.
10:16 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general << i thought this was naturally a part of the aging process. i.e. "the old man".
10:17 cazalla yeah, i hate everything, oh happy day i throw all these computers in the fkn bin
10:17 mircea_popescu it's not part of the aging process, it's part of the society going to shit.
10:18 mircea_popescu "progress" or w/e they call it.
10:18 jurov this seems to be related with you avoiding stupid people around you
10:18 mircea_popescu wtf was that uberridiculous site back in 2012, that people ended up signing up as other users etc ? bitdaytrade ?
10:19 cazalla farmers gon' farm
10:19 jurov when i chose not to avoid them, there's other kinds of frustration but not the "everything goes to shit" feeling
10:19 mircea_popescu jurov right.
10:21 lobbes jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know << yeah, that seems to be the theme of everything I learn. Which plays into the 'addiction' point MP made. "There's more to learn!"
10:22 lobbes which seems to end with ultimate disatifaction lol
10:22 lobbes such is life, eh?
10:22 cazalla lobbes, that's an aussie saying ya know, ned kelly and all that
10:23 cazalla bogans get it tatted across their chest or tramp stamped if woman
10:24 lobbes cazalla: I'll admit I just googled that. I always thought it was of 'French origin'
10:24 lobbes 'c'est la vie'
10:24 lobbes I dig aussies, though, so I'll go with that origin
10:26 cazalla well ya wanna be a true blue fair dinkum aussie cunt ya gotta get ya such is life tat to go with your southern cross tat
10:28 lobbes cazalla, okay but tramp stamp or chest?
10:28 cazalla depends if you're a bloke or sheila
10:29 lobbes bloke, but if I ever get thrown in jail it would be almost poetic if I get butt-raped
10:29 cazalla are you some type of shirt lifting poofter or wut
10:29 lobbes ahaha
10:30 lobbes naw I'm just fucked in the head
10:30 mircea_popescu sheila ahaha.
10:30 thestringpuller u wot m8?!?
10:31 cazalla thestringpuller, u taking the piss mate? u having a go? u wanna go?
10:32 cazalla tmw is such a write off after drinking this much
10:32 mircea_popescu ;;ud tmw
10:32 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tmw | Shorthand for "Too Much Work". Used to describe situations or happenings that are just too much work to bother doing or participating. Also goes by TMW, or tee  ...
10:33 cazalla tomorrow
10:33 cazalla which is todaya
10:35 cazalla this is one of those, i sorta know the answer to my question but im gonna ask as if im clueless anyway
10:36 mircea_popescu i actually had no idea
10:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115450 @ 0.00042912 = 49.5419 BTC [+]
10:50 cazalla 3am drunk cooking, what can i come up with!
10:51 cazalla kebab be good though, remembers me about some doner discussion here at some point
10:51 cazalla donair, that was it
10:51 cazalla the fuck is a donair
11:01 * lobbes has fuzzy memories being drunk in the DR; buying a kebab from some street vendor. Probably over-paid
11:04 cazalla not sure you can over pay for a good kebab
11:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66105 @ 0.0004257 = 28.1409 BTC [-] {2}
11:20 thestringpuller super cazalla
11:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96657 @ 0.00042306 = 40.8917 BTC [-]
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11:42 asciilifeform the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic.
11:43 asciilifeform ranging from mere omission of the fact, certain as daylight, of it being a usg production (with no attempt whatsoever inside to disguise their characteristic turdware tradecraft, note)
11:43 asciilifeform to misrepresentation of what the interesting part of the payload is
11:45 thestringpuller what is the interesting part of the payload?
11:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79740 @ 0.00042306 = 33.7348 BTC [-]
11:45 asciilifeform most egregiously in the english-speaking press: 'crank bait' sensationalism - 'every box on the planet is owned!' designed to chip away at the credibility of kaspersky
11:46 asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021563
11:46 assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 01:41:05; asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system
11:47 danielpbarron i've seen such sensationalist headlines as "the only way to stop the NSA from spying on you is to smash your hard drive"
11:47 ben_vulpes fukkin payroll
11:47 ben_vulpes fukkin pay as you go taxes
11:47 ben_vulpes fukkin cashflow
11:47 ben_vulpes fukkin clients
11:47 ben_vulpes fukkin fukkin fukkin
11:50 ben_vulpes http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-16/euro-area-finance-ministers-talks-with-greece-break-up-on-rift << grexit when
11:50 assbot Greece's Talks With Euro-Area Finance Ministers Break Up - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK83n9 )
11:50 ben_vulpes grexit nao?
11:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00042912 = 8.3893 BTC [+]
11:56 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.93457636 BTC. Current weight: 49,532.
11:57 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1098/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 55(Y):45(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.50777265 BTC. Current weight: 7,697.
11:57 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.8001 BTC. Current weight: 93,885.
11:57 punkman what, no grexit bitbet
12:03 punkman oic two rejected grexit bets
12:09 punkman http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b9l-8zbkFmUJ:www.danielpipes.org/rr/2014-10-dabiq.228.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
12:09 assbot BEFORE THE HOUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKema9 )
12:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00042912 = 9.741 BTC [+]
12:09 punkman ^ from some ISIS magazine: "The revival of slavery before the hour"
12:10 mircea_popescu is isis migrating towards some sort of millenarism ?
12:11 punkman that's where they started isn't it
12:12 mircea_popescu i thought they started more from jihadish ideas.
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.0916 = 1.0992 BTC [-] {2}
12:12 thestringpuller fffff
12:12 thestringpuller oops
12:12 punkman mircea_popescu: yeah but the millenarian rhetoric was there from the beginning
12:14 punkman "Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an army led by the anti-Messiah
12:14 punkman , whose eventual death— when just a few thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse."
12:14 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "CLAM to hit 0.015 or higher before March 3rd" http://bitbet.us/bet/1088/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 62(Y):38(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.53421 BTC. Current weight: 15,132.
12:16 ben_vulpes punkman: links plz?
12:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00042133 = 14.1988 BTC [-] {2}
12:17 punkman ben_vulpes: for?
12:17 ben_vulpes rejected grexit bets
12:18 ben_vulpes nm nm
12:18 ben_vulpes hm there's the "any exit
12:18 ben_vulpes by april"
12:18 ben_vulpes sorry for wacky posts, arms are jelly from pushups
12:19 mircea_popescu punkman you will notice this guy is an australian preacher.
12:19 punkman mircea_popescu: of course he is ;)
12:19 mircea_popescu i have no wonderment for how anglos are reinterpreting arab ideas in their own framework (which, for this purpose, is strictly millenarism)
12:19 mircea_popescu just, there's a difference between isis becoming so infested with westerners it starts thinking like them and isis simply being mistranslated.
12:23 mats 01:41:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago ... << link? a googling wasn't helpful
12:23 mircea_popescu anyway, the misfortunate eu allies of the us are now getting in greece the argentine beauty come to roost.
12:23 mircea_popescu should be interesting.
12:24 punkman mats, this guy I think http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=1
12:24 assbot Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Intro ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKk0t4 )
12:30 mircea_popescu in other news, the "toilet seat debate" has been resolved. http://38.media.tumblr.com/a3df8a95aba72f77c3dd84453d8e0201/tumblr_n4q32bciEb1st3pp0o1_400.gif
12:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKmasx )
12:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00042665 = 12.0742 BTC [+]
12:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51264 @ 0.00042912 = 21.9984 BTC [+]
12:37 punkman https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/web/4894818972.html
12:37 assbot WEB DEVELOPER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKomAg )
12:38 mircea_popescu "Must multi task by helping answering phones, excel data upkeep etc.."
12:38 mircea_popescu clearly.
12:39 mircea_popescu "This position can be in house or freelance. Must be local to the area to discuss projects. " "we never heard of pgp, what is it, italian shoes ???"
12:39 mircea_popescu holy shit wait, $12 an hour ?! in la ?
12:47 mircea_popescu jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density << easier to do on the disk than on the ic, but you have a good point there.
12:47 mircea_popescu i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach.
12:47 mircea_popescu for one thing, i was never short of guns when it actually came to guns to defend freedom.
12:47 mircea_popescu usually one's short of gunmen.
12:48 mircea_popescu !up wolverine
12:48 mircea_popescu !up Xuthus
12:50 ben_vulpes just the USian bias - herr presidente sez no guns, ergo it's impossible to get guns
12:50 ben_vulpes this is ridiculous on the face of it, but young american men are more interested in solving simple nonexistent problems with tech than solving big complex hairy ones.
12:50 mircea_popescu i guess. but this is a definite meritous future thing for s.nsa to pursue.
12:50 ben_vulpes unsurprisingly.
12:50 mircea_popescu hory shit you're so right im bashing you.
12:50 mircea_popescu !b 5
12:50 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NPCGB7.txt )
12:51 ben_vulpes stahp it hurts
12:51 ben_vulpes from the piracy lulzmine: Patton's /Peeping Tom/ is nowhere to be found on the public trackers, yet trivially available on UToob
12:52 mircea_popescu maybe iut just sucks ?
12:52 ben_vulpes how would I know...
12:52 ben_vulpes 'tisn't as though i ever had good taste in music beat into me.
12:53 mircea_popescu it's not even worth stealing, yo.
12:53 mircea_popescu gramps.
12:53 ben_vulpes well and how would you know?
12:53 mircea_popescu didn't you just say ?
12:53 ben_vulpes no, i said i have no idea if it's any good.
12:53 ben_vulpes i have no context or anything to judge music against.
12:53 mircea_popescu is nowhere to be found on the public trackers <<
12:53 mircea_popescu ergo, not worth stealing.
12:53 ben_vulpes yet trivially available on UToob
12:54 mircea_popescu that ain't stealing.
12:54 * ben_vulpes cocks an eyebrow
12:54 ben_vulpes nah man this goes back to why a btc torrent thinger isn't worthwhile
12:54 mircea_popescu all these fucking hysterical jokes that are only funny to me
12:54 ben_vulpes people copying content have no taste
12:54 ben_vulpes that one was for you
12:54 ben_vulpes i was hoping for a /mircea_popescu eyes a cockbrow
12:54 mircea_popescu ahahaha oops
12:55 mircea_popescu imagine if a dude had a thick fat unibrow
12:55 mircea_popescu and his roommates kept drawing balls on one side.
12:55 ben_vulpes perhaps next time i take a whack at my bush i'll sculpt it into a cockbrow
12:56 mircea_popescu it's disconcerting to cocksuckers.
12:56 ben_vulpes let 'em squirm
12:56 ben_vulpes they do anyways
12:57 mircea_popescu and now, voice rampage.
12:57 ben_vulpes ratings season!
12:57 mircea_popescu !v artilekt
12:57 assbot Invalid verfication string.
12:57 mircea_popescu !up artilekt
12:57 mircea_popescu !up bertani
12:57 mircea_popescu !up BlueMatt
12:57 mircea_popescu !up chiral
12:57 mircea_popescu !up cjc
12:57 mircea_popescu !up CryptoGoon
12:57 mircea_popescu !up d9b4bef9
12:58 PeterL hello lurkers!
12:58 mircea_popescu !up eric
12:58 mircea_popescu !up evian11_____
12:58 mircea_popescu !up felipelalli
12:58 ben_vulpes such a cheery morning to you all!
12:58 mircea_popescu !up gernika
12:58 mircea_popescu !up hegemoOn
12:58 mircea_popescu !up hguux__
12:58 mircea_popescu !up guntha_`
12:58 mircea_popescu !up hktud0
12:58 asciilifeform chip fab << i've been doing some (mostly theoretical) work on the subject, for some years. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
12:58 mircea_popescu !up itkin
12:59 mircea_popescu !up Jezzz
12:59 mircea_popescu !up Jrum
12:59 mircea_popescu !up kanzure
12:59 mircea_popescu !up Keefe
12:59 mircea_popescu !up knotwork
12:59 mircea_popescu !up kushed
12:59 mircea_popescu !up kuzetsa
12:59 PeterL asciilifeform: are you setting up a clean room in your garage?
12:59 mircea_popescu !up Lycerion
12:59 mircea_popescu !up m4rCsi
12:59 Lycerion ayyyy
12:59 mircea_popescu shit im bored
13:00 PeterL hello Lycerion, how are things?
13:00 lobbes lol, there ought to be a '!up all' function
13:00 Xuthus mircea_popescu, why don't you go and code something ?
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13:00 ben_vulpes yeah learn you a common lisp or something
13:00 ben_vulpes BE USEFUL
13:00 mircea_popescu lobbes nah. io should stop spamming. Xuthus i don't actually code worth a shit.
13:00 Lycerion PeterL things are well, hooby is hoobin, life is good
13:00 ben_vulpes ;;ud hooby
13:00 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hooby | (abstract noun or proper noun) A person, especially one not mentioned by name. Hooby doesn't have one. Who? Hooby! Hooby who? by krom23456 January ...
13:01 asciilifeform PeterL: any fab process that requires clean room is ipso facto irrelevant to the question of 'home fab'
13:01 ben_vulpes ^
13:01 ben_vulpes "garbage fab"
13:01 mircea_popescu it could be clean breadbox.
13:01 mircea_popescu but not room
13:01 asciilifeform clean football-sized compartment is difficult enough in jungle conditions
13:02 asciilifeform ditto high vacuum
13:02 PeterL how big is a chip fab clean room?
13:02 mircea_popescu depends on how big the fab is
13:02 asciilifeform PeterL: factory floor
13:02 ben_vulpes 500 - whole buildings
13:02 mircea_popescu the problem with clean is largely a matter of size. it's easier to keep a large space clean.
13:02 asciilifeform the thing that absolutely must be understood by anyone with any inkling of an interest in the subject is
13:02 ben_vulpes also, depends on the degree of cleanliness required.
13:02 mircea_popescu proof of this being the cosmic space.
13:03 asciilifeform it does no good to take extant ic fab practice and work 'down'
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13:03 asciilifeform no good at all
13:03 asciilifeform have to reinvent the entire stack.
13:03 mircea_popescu no, im sure this is understood.
13:03 PeterL need to reinvent it at a smaller, cheaper scale?
13:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the folks mentioning clean rooms show symptoms of not having understood
13:03 asciilifeform PeterL: emphatically not. not 'smaller cheaper' what-they-do-now.
13:03 asciilifeform entirely different process
13:04 mircea_popescu basically this is quickly becoming a problem of logjammed. "we need a decent-er system design, to make oses on". "yes, for which we nbeed a new chip paradigm". "yes, which really needs better systems design for oses and such". "yes, which..."
13:04 asciilifeform that would have considerably less in common with the existing one than 'cd-r burner' with pressed aluminum disks, or '3d printer' with injection mold press
13:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00042313 = 30.2538 BTC [-] {2}
13:05 mircea_popescu ironically, it may actually have a lot in common with the cd-r burner.
13:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hypothetical chip fab experiment does not require new computer.
13:05 mircea_popescu motivation to make it however, does.
13:05 asciilifeform and yes, it would have some resemblance to cd-r
13:05 asciilifeform but realize that cd-r 'cheats' by having existing guide marks
13:05 mircea_popescu i wonder, and bear with my layered ignorance on all matters of import, but i wonder :
13:06 mircea_popescu is there some way to make this actually BE junk ? like, for instance, make an item that prints logic gates on cds, old abandoned cds ?
13:06 PeterL and cd-r moves basically one dimension
13:06 mircea_popescu you can then make an item that looks sort-of like an 1990s "art" installation, except it does logic ?
13:06 mircea_popescu as in, build it from garbage up, exactly how the current stack was built.
13:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's actually reminiscent of one idea i looked into - optical logic produced photographically via laser
13:07 mircea_popescu aha!
13:07 mircea_popescu basically, I want to play music ? i can now get a 5 x 6 sheet of polyester, glue cds on it printed with this thing, and plug it in.
13:08 mircea_popescu it .. sort of... kinda plays derpy 8 bit mono something.
13:08 asciilifeform but cd-r blanks ain't it.
13:08 asciilifeform intrinsic spiral pattern in the whole shebang.
13:08 mircea_popescu i just meant, use the items somehow.
13:08 asciilifeform it isn't a universally-addressable polar coordinate laser cutter, if you were wondering.
13:08 mircea_popescu it'd literally be a repurposing of garbage.
13:08 mircea_popescu it isn't, but then again maybe it could be.
13:09 mircea_popescu after all the disk is flat.
13:09 mircea_popescu for that matter ... recall the discussions even here about the purely resisitive musicbox ?
13:09 asciilifeform resistive ?
13:09 mircea_popescu start it from something that's derpy but works, i say, rather than something that's clever, but doesn't.
13:10 asciilifeform well no doubt
13:10 asciilifeform but what was the music box ?
13:10 asciilifeform and, related, historical,
13:11 asciilifeform ;;google lightscribe
13:11 gribble LightScribe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightScribe>; LightScribe direct disc labeling - Why buy HP?: <http://h71036.www7.hp.com/hho/cache/315116-0-0-225-121.html>; Lightscribe Media - Direct Disc Labeling, Lightscribe Discs (DVDs ...: <http://www.verbatim.com/subcat/optical-media/lightscribe/>
13:12 mircea_popescu !s resistor dac
13:12 assbot 0 results for 'resistor dac' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=resistor+dac
13:12 asciilifeform ^ one vendor sold cd-r drives (and disks for extra cost with specially-coated labels) that contained fw to translate raster to polar, and print stickers
13:12 mircea_popescu o no fucking way
13:12 asciilifeform !s covox
13:12 assbot 4 results for 'covox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=covox
13:12 mircea_popescu this was discussed i swear
13:12 mircea_popescu aok
13:12 asciilifeform ^ there we go
13:12 asciilifeform had to jog memory
13:13 mircea_popescu the item in question, as kako points out, is still the shit. not because it plays the ghz&poettering game.
13:13 mircea_popescu specifically because it doesn't.
13:13 asciilifeform tempting example, but not a very good one - the basic idea of a dac hasn't changed
13:13 asciilifeform since first one was built from resistors in the '30s
13:13 mircea_popescu the basic idea of a computer ALSO hasn't changed.
13:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77835 @ 0.00041964 = 32.6627 BTC [-]
13:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: basic idea - sure
13:15 mircea_popescu it's what you said.
13:16 mircea_popescu in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm.
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13:16 mircea_popescu but completely rather than just "progressively".
13:16 asciilifeform but in practice, it has. i have a $$$$$ fpga board gathering dust because realized that it is impossible to implement ddr2 controller (and drive any available memory of reasonable density) without reversing the entire chip
13:16 mircea_popescu why do you want ddr2 is the question ?
13:16 mircea_popescu which is where it ties into "new os"
13:17 asciilifeform i'd love to expunge -all- existing ic
13:18 asciilifeform but eliminating stock ram is three or so notches of crackpottery above the rest of it, even.
13:18 mircea_popescu well here's the thing : there's no way to expunge part of it.
13:18 mircea_popescu if you do it, you do it all.
13:18 mircea_popescu <assbot> 0 results for 'resistor dac' << you know this came to 0 because you had to ruin steming ? hm ?
13:19 mircea_popescu what do you have to say for self nao alf!
13:19 asciilifeform can still switch it on, iirc
13:19 mircea_popescu yaya.
13:19 asciilifeform and it'll return every single line ever logged, lol
13:19 mircea_popescu lol
13:20 mircea_popescu (i don't care either way, each works, but i was lulz'd at your militant stance)
13:20 asciilifeform well literally 9 of 10 searches i ever did on that page returned garbage specifically because of stem
13:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap
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13:26 asciilifeform much less refine brass
13:26 asciilifeform - that - continues to happen in izhevsk
13:27 ben_vulpes i recall a story from a stephenson book, about a machine that computed with chains run through computing boxes
13:27 ben_vulpes as the chains moved through the boxes, the boxes flipped bits on each link
13:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: he had another book where computing happened by specially trained singers belting out gregorian-style chants
13:27 ben_vulpes now, i beg pardon for my ignorance, but could not this model be adapted to the cd rw?
13:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will.
13:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: this is called 'ladder logic' among factory automation folks
13:28 ben_vulpes myes, i've been brutalized by it.
13:28 mircea_popescu the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence.
13:28 mircea_popescu gotta to revert to that.
13:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ultimately factory is an artifact of craftsmanship
13:28 asciilifeform so in that sense craftsman never died.
13:28 mircea_popescu in this sense your senator's also your representative.
13:29 asciilifeform l0l
13:29 mircea_popescu right.
13:29 mircea_popescu assbot is pretty rugged isn't he.
13:29 mircea_popescu cool.
13:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT.
13:31 asciilifeform ah - that.
13:31 asciilifeform well, yes.
13:31 asciilifeform !s naggum binders
13:31 assbot 2 results for 'naggum binders' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=naggum+binders
13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101300 @ 0.00042921 = 43.479 BTC [+] {2}
13:37 felipelalli if you will learn something, invest in Haskell or Scheme.
13:38 * asciilifeform knows both quite well, does not use today
13:38 felipelalli it's nice, isn't?
13:38 asciilifeform what is ?
13:43 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/extinctextincterextinctest.html << orlol
13:43 assbot ClubOrlov: Extinct—Extincter—Extinctest ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCC6Ix )
13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118283 @ 0.00042976 = 50.8333 BTC [+]
13:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00042644 = 4.5842 BTC [-]
13:55 thestringpuller http://nopiracy.org/ << this is a thing now
14:01 mircea_popescu "1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ?
14:01 mircea_popescu considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury,
14:01 punkman https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-February/054580.html
14:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCERJY )
14:01 mircea_popescu what's left is essentially, "IP holders, and companies aspiring to be one day bought by ip holders"
14:01 punkman "URGENT: RNG broken for last 4 months"
14:02 mircea_popescu lol
14:03 mircea_popescu great win for freebsd.
14:03 asciilifeform the folks responsible - have names.
14:04 mod6 yikes
14:04 asciilifeform for some reason we hardly ever hear the names
14:04 asciilifeform and they tend to recurr
14:05 asciilifeform but i really can't think of a good reason why anyone should be able to pull this shit twice.
14:05 mircea_popescu gurney tho ?!
14:06 asciilifeform exposed
14:06 asciilifeform not authored
14:06 asciilifeform i'm speaking of the authors.
14:06 punkman where is the open source shame list
14:06 mircea_popescu afaik he fucked it up.
14:07 mircea_popescu punkman jurov's maintaining the pride list.
14:07 mircea_popescu so, everywhere else.
14:07 punkman no I mean we need a website with names and photos
14:07 mircea_popescu also, apparently it's current, not stable.
14:08 mircea_popescu so it's not ACTUALLY a big deal in any sense. you're not supposed to run experiments in production.
14:08 punkman ah I assumed current meant stable
14:08 mod6 no -STABLE is stable
14:08 asciilifeform a great many freebsd users, at least at one point, ran 'current'
14:09 mircea_popescu yeah apparently lots of people did.
14:09 mod6 current = uber-crasher
14:09 mircea_popescu yeah i dunno that you can do that today asciilifeform
14:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: freebsd's been a total loss since the llvm thing
14:09 asciilifeform that was an enemy flag being hoisted
14:09 asciilifeform surrounded by heads of the fort defenders
14:09 jurov what pride list?
14:09 mod6 everytime i've ever followed -current i end up with a lot of panic!s
14:10 jurov ;;ticker
14:10 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.77, Best ask: 244.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.73000, Last trade: 243.77, 24 hour volume: 12580.91158750, 24 hour low: 232.01, 24 hour high: 248.78, 24 hour vwap: 240.070244407
14:14 mod6 https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/introduction.html << 1.8 & 1.9 outline what each -CURRENT & -STABLE are meant for. if anyone was still confused.
14:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3ip1X )
14:16 mircea_popescu jurov you know, the signed commits thing
14:16 mircea_popescu !up rotarydialer
14:18 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/
14:20 jurov it's signed patches not commits and it's in disarray right now :(
14:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30761 @ 0.00042375 = 13.035 BTC [-]
14:21 jurov have to make some dough first, then i can finally fix it
14:22 jurov btw, anyone needs sysadmin? some deals fell through
14:35 mircea_popescu jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it
14:36 asciilifeform ^
14:36 mircea_popescu you defo have enough experience to handle it.
14:36 jurov i have plenty experience with using VPSes, not with running them
14:37 mircea_popescu weren't you running an open bash server at some point ?
14:38 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it << yeah!
14:39 jurov okay i'll consider it
14:39 jurov re: simpleshell.com everything in chroot was killed after 15 minutes, that's is quite a difference from permanent setup, and abuse reports were last blow
14:41 mircea_popescu if you want, i can front you the capital to colo a few servers wherever you want, and work off that.
14:41 mircea_popescu but then you gotta commit to make it a job. i think there's a pretty decent living in it, but whadda i know.
14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117300 @ 0.00042759 = 50.1563 BTC [+] {2}
14:47 jurov i see this is serious and there's interest. but the last obstacle is i must do this together with someone, it needs someone on duty 24hrs
14:47 thestringpuller all humans must sleep
14:47 thestringpuller what about Namworld?
14:48 jurov namworld is not with bitvps anymore, and they're imo pretty lame
14:49 mike_c you could hire a service to handle tier 1 monitoring and wake you up if there's an emergency.
14:50 asciilifeform call ft meade, they'll work for phree
14:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042976 = 9.2398 BTC [+]
14:50 mod6 lol
14:51 lobbes I wouldn't add much value, but I'd work for free as an extra set of hands/eyes. You'd still need someone that knew what they were doing, of course. Plus I wouldn't be available 24/7 so maybe I'd be no use lol
14:52 lobbes Sounds like a cool learning opportunity though
14:52 asciilifeform ugh
14:52 asciilifeform unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor
14:52 asciilifeform where medical students have 'learning opportunity'
14:53 asciilifeform but rather something that has to actually work...
14:53 thestringpuller asciilifeform's wrath bit flips on
14:53 jurov lobbes if you want, i can give you simpleshell.com to learn it's low maintenance, but also low profit
14:54 jurov (low 10's monthly from ads)
14:54 asciilifeform thestringpuller: i'm simply used to seeing that phrase as shorthand for 'it's ok for me to utterly fuck this up, right, because results couldn't possibly be important, aha?'
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14:54 lobbes asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor << Fair enough. Point taken
14:55 jurov https://web.archive.org/web/20140207213824/http://simpleshell.com/ << twas this. clicking on the button gave you real shell
14:55 assbot Free Linux shell access ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3opHP )
14:56 lobbes jurov: thanks for the link. I got my own VPS to fuck up, though. ;)
14:57 jurov and back to topic, currently i'm about reselling aws stuff, that's a start. i know some trustworthy people here that do vpses, i'll ask them for cooperation
15:00 asciilifeform aws << damn
15:01 asciilifeform phuctor, in particular, really wants a genuine machine
15:01 asciilifeform (cpu-bound)
15:01 asciilifeform afaik no one is offering - or -has ever- offered these - for btc...
15:03 danielpbarron "Every word out of your and MP's mouths is disgusting. Your vision for Bitcoin is disgusting. Everything about you is disgusting. I can't wait for everyone decent to prove to you just how wrong you are about everything you've said in all the threads and blog posts about this fork." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10493254#msg10493254
15:03 assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3phwi )
15:04 asciilifeform tilt lol
15:07 jurov they do hae "dedicated" instances, but i'm not pressing the point
15:07 asciilifeform ruinous cost
15:07 asciilifeform and wtf, actual computers are extinct or what
15:07 mike_c ruinous for 1. not ruinous for many.
15:08 mike_c the cost for dedicated is amortized across all your dedicated instances
15:08 asciilifeform well yes, but mine is not a high-budget operation
15:08 asciilifeform i need precisely one box.
15:08 mike_c well, that's why jurov resells them.
15:09 mike_c (in the future)
15:09 asciilifeform i would also like it to be a fucking -actual computer-
15:09 asciilifeform not an aws chimera
15:10 mike_c why? then when your actual hardware eats shit you're down.
15:10 jurov virtual hardware can eat shit too
15:10 asciilifeform ^
15:10 mike_c and does all the time. and is replaced trivially
15:11 jurov well, have you read what herbijudlestoids wrote?
15:11 jurov it's all but trivial
15:11 asciilifeform wai wat
15:11 mike_c recently? don't think so.
15:11 jurov or i miisunderstood what's he doing?
15:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00042375 = 27.798 BTC [-]
15:13 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1018043
15:13 assbot Logged on 14-02-2015 04:02:23; herbijudlestoids: openstack based IaaS clouds
15:13 jurov and lines below that
15:14 mike_c hm, that seems different. enterprise cloud management.
15:15 mike_c but the difficulty of IaaS is why reselling aws makes sense to me.
15:15 mike_c if you buy a rack in a colo you'll never have the same kind of reliability
15:16 mike_c look at the trouble mpex has had over the years.
15:16 jurov you know, aws itself recommends "to get best reliability, have servers in multiple availabiltiy zones"
15:17 jurov so, again, all but trivial stuff
15:17 mike_c yes, i know. but i don't think you're disagreeing that colo will have lower reliability?
15:19 jurov oh you're arguing reliability? i missed that
15:20 mike_c i am arguing that the service will be more reliable and easier to run on aws than colo rack.
15:20 mike_c it won't be cheaper. for the same reasons.
15:21 jurov which service? if it's phuctor, i can imagine it relies on sole access to fast SSD storage.
15:21 jurov this isn't something given on aws
15:21 mike_c he said its cpu bound. but you can get IOPS provisioned on aws
15:22 mike_c and the service is: computing power for btc
15:22 mike_c or, vps for btc (dedicated instance coming soon)
15:22 asciilifeform mike_c: i don't -want- aws
15:22 asciilifeform of any kind
15:22 asciilifeform i do not want it in the zoo,
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15:22 asciilifeform i do not want it with a gnu,
15:22 mike_c mhm. for unspecified reasons
15:22 asciilifeform i do not want it in a ham,
15:23 asciilifeform i do not like it, sp4m i am
15:23 asciilifeform to paraphrase the poet
15:23 mike_c 1) you're lying because you are hosting nosuchlabs on it right now.
15:23 asciilifeform i am!
15:23 asciilifeform and don't like it
15:23 asciilifeform would like to get off!
15:23 * jurov facepalms
15:23 jurov mike_c pls don't alienate my customers
15:23 mike_c hehe
15:23 asciilifeform no lie there - i told everyone it's languishing on aws.
15:24 jurov if they know what they want, im not pressing it
15:24 asciilifeform at no less than 30-50 usd/mo
15:24 asciilifeform out of me lunch money
15:24 mike_c don't listen to what they say. he is paying them, obviously it's the best option right now.
15:24 mike_c customer's don't know what they want
15:24 jurov l0l
15:25 asciilifeform mike_c: worse than this. 1) i'm paying 2) not getting terribly much, have ~5mil keys that have not been dumped in on account of - elementarily - lack of cpu
15:25 mike_c listen to what they do, not what they say. marketing 101.
15:25 mike_c asciilifeform: so if you could get dedicated instance from jurovvps at non-ruinous cost this would be a good thing.
15:25 jurov so you want me to sell him c3.something aws instance and lie to him it's physical?
15:25 asciilifeform i've said it at least thrice, and will say a fourth time - all s.nsa expenses that are denominated in usd have been de-facto fronted by yours truly
15:26 asciilifeform who has no safe way of converting so much as a bitcent to usd.
15:26 mike_c jurov, no, don't lie. you could sell him exactly what he has now, but in btc, and he'd probably switch.
15:27 mike_c down the road, with a bit of scale, you could sell him dedicated instance without ruinous one-time cost aws imposes
15:27 mike_c and he'd buy that. he would still complain, but he'd pay.
15:28 jurov at that price maybe a seat at my guerrilla home router.. but that one has only a celeron and main computer is too noisy to keep on all time
15:28 jurov but i'll be asking around , we'll see
15:30 jurov btw, dedi aws is not one-time cost. they ask $2/hour if *any* is running in the region
15:30 jurov do your maffs.
15:31 mike_c one-time not the right word. it's $2/hr if any, but not per-box.
15:31 mike_c so if you resold x of them, you could charge $2 per hr / x.
15:32 jurov and you're buying, like 10 of them?
15:32 jurov or anyone here?
15:32 asciilifeform for perspective,
15:32 mike_c jurov is. and selling 1 to ascii, 1 to somebody else, etc.
15:32 asciilifeform i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo
15:32 asciilifeform for unrelated purpose
15:32 asciilifeform no hidden costs
15:32 asciilifeform no surcharges for bandwidth
15:32 asciilifeform etc
15:32 mike_c the hidden cost is when it eats shit.
15:33 jurov was it ever ddosed?
15:33 mike_c that too
15:33 asciilifeform yes
15:33 asciilifeform and remained standing
15:33 asciilifeform the sheer audacity of the industry bamboozlement virtually everywhere - is astonishing
15:34 jurov "remained standing" isn't hard. "they didn't kicked me" is.
15:34 asciilifeform didn't kick, either
15:34 mike_c did you get abuse reports? did they stand up to those?
15:34 asciilifeform now that, didn't try
15:34 mike_c (not sure if aws would either on that count..)
15:34 asciilifeform for that, fix is generally easy, host in .ru
15:35 jurov aws will forward them to yo
15:35 jurov "explain or else"
15:35 asciilifeform but this is not a problem i have had the honour of having
15:35 mike_c jurov: but which way do they lean? to kick you or to tell complainer to piss off?
15:36 jurov i didn't dare to find out just to keep a toy afloat
15:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17958 @ 0.00042976 = 7.7176 BTC [+]
15:37 kakobrekla this is a classic, do it right with ev- or do it wrong
15:39 jurov !s abuse from:jurov
15:39 assbot 4 results for 'abuse from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abuse+from%3Ajurov
15:40 jurov nope. i'm certain i talked about it here before.
15:40 kakobrekla prolly stemming issue
15:40 mike_c !s abus* from:jurov
15:40 assbot 7 results for 'abus* from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abus%2A+from%3Ajurov
15:41 * kakobrekla was jus trollin
15:41 mike_c :)
15:41 mike_c kakobrekla: did you have any thoughts/opinions on wot dupe key issue?
15:41 kakobrekla you want dupe keys?
15:41 mike_c i want there not to be dupe keys.
15:42 mike_c but there are.
15:42 kakobrekla there are?
15:42 mike_c http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021889
15:42 assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
15:42 kakobrekla maybe imported from gribble
15:43 mike_c i'd like to have unique constraint on fingerprint. maybe boot the offending nicks from the db?
15:44 kakobrekla this takes us another step further away from a potential cross sync doesnt it
15:44 mike_c ugh. perhaps.
15:45 danielpbarron SetBestChain: 1 of last 100 blocks above version 2 << anyone else seeing this in their .bitcoin/debug.log ? does it have to do with 0.10 coming out?
15:49 punkman blocks version 3 now
15:50 danielpbarron well.. 1 in 100 at least
15:51 punkman oh and they are already talking about version 4
15:51 danielpbarron bu-but.. the forum poll said it had 60% support!? how can this 1% be?
15:52 asciilifeform axe-time, sword-time, coming closer.
15:53 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/
15:53 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/
15:53 punkman well v3 brings strict signature format, not such a bad thing
15:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00042659 = 6.9321 BTC [-]
15:53 asciilifeform punkman: not bad thing if -we- do it
15:54 asciilifeform if phoundation does it - cure for cancer is bad thing.
15:54 asciilifeform ipso facto.
16:01 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i prefer hammer time
~ 29 minutes ~
16:31 danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/v2.log.txt << it looks like the "version 2" thing got up to 5% of the hashrate and then dropped down to 1% over the course of the last week or so
16:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AiV4Iq )
16:33 asciilifeform 'Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs. Reindexing using earlier versions will also not work anymore as a result of this. The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won’t support.'
16:33 asciilifeform ^ shitgnomism without limit
16:34 danielpbarron also, the links to the public log from s.b-a.link add an extra unnecessary '/' in the root directory
16:35 danielpbarron link still works
16:35 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/
16:37 thestringpuller asciilifeform: holy fuck this thing completely fucks up the blockchain. (0.10)
16:37 thestringpuller this box will need nuke to cleanse :(
16:39 asciilifeform 'be smart - don't start'
16:40 thestringpuller the power rangers have outdone themselves this time...
16:42 mod6 It's a shit-blizzard, Randy.
16:42 thestringpuller ^-- this is great description
16:43 thestringpuller Bitcoin Phoundation Client is as if Ricky wrote it.
16:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00042659 = 17.3622 BTC [-]
16:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105069 @ 0.00043021 = 45.2017 BTC [+] {3}
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156700 @ 0.00043403 = 68.0125 BTC [+] {2}
17:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74809 @ 0.00042659 = 31.9128 BTC [-]
17:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127410 @ 0.00043522 = 55.4514 BTC [+] {3}
17:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40590 @ 0.00043714 = 17.7435 BTC [+] {2}
17:22 punkman http://longmountaingeneralstore.com/images/products/detail/03415571.jpg
17:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9N40Z )
17:25 lobbes !rate jurov 1 Letting me derp about to get http://simpleshell.com/ back up and running
17:25 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a433a6dc63a3e33a
17:25 assbot SimpleShell ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9NBjH )
17:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27157 @ 0.00043735 = 11.8771 BTC [+]
17:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.0004339 = 27.5743 BTC [-]
17:46 asciilifeform in other news
17:46 asciilifeform i managed to order a couple of boards from that weirdo board house
17:47 asciilifeform costing almost exactly their weight in gold
17:47 asciilifeform and with >2wk lead time
17:47 asciilifeform curious if what arrives, actually works
17:48 asciilifeform (these were rng boards, which are analogue devices and for which i have means of testing conformance to spec)
17:50 asciilifeform the shop is a very new one ('macrofab') and their ordering gizmo is buggy as all hell
17:50 asciilifeform but finally agreed to take the money...
17:52 Adlai "Snapchat seeks new funding at up to $19 billion valuation" ie, "one interchangeable centralized messaging service butthurt over inferior valuation, seeks to call and raise"
17:57 thestringpuller LOL
17:57 danielpbarron !up hdbuck
17:57 thestringpuller They need more mone already?!?!?
17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004339 = 2.0827 BTC [-]
18:00 Adlai gotta push the $ in $napcash
18:00 danielpbarron hdbuck, nice forum post :D
18:07 asciilifeform in yet unrelated, yet other news,
18:08 asciilifeform gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild
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18:08 asciilifeform (gnat-gcc-4.3.5)
18:09 mircea_popescu cool
18:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00042902 = 15.4876 BTC [-]
18:17 pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla for your qntrian consideration: https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw
18:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3TzyJ )
18:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:17 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo too ^
18:17 asciilifeform (for folks following the gnat thread, http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~mfeldman/ada-project-summary.html )
18:18 assbot Who's Using Ada? ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3THyf )
18:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00077898 = 2.3369 BTC [-] {5}
18:26 pete_dushenski shkoopaloop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/17/the-fable-of-willful-ignorance/
18:26 assbot The fable of willful ignorance. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTS2Gz )
18:26 pete_dushenski ^featuring the late great mike hearn
18:27 mircea_popescu heh okat
18:29 pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla i forgot a title! please to consider "CAVIRTEX, the biggest Bitcoin exchange in Canada, closes doors out of embarrassment "
18:29 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:30 jurov pete_dushenski: did you mention how many bitcoins(from IPO) have they walked away with?
18:30 pete_dushenski yup
18:30 pete_dushenski 4k
18:32 pete_dushenski though they apparently "intend" to "communicate" with "loyal shareholders"
18:32 pete_dushenski as if any of those words were descriptive or actionable
18:32 pete_dushenski but hey, gotta pretend!
18:32 thestringpuller oh mike hearn is undead too?
18:32 pete_dushenski mr. heartbleed ?
18:33 pete_dushenski oh most certainly
18:33 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo << wherewherewhere
18:33 mircea_popescu lmao
18:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'corenetworks'
18:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: not the best shop in the world, but doesn't suck donkey balls in exactly the way most of'em do
18:35 ben_vulpes waaaaa
18:36 ben_vulpes <3
18:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11441 @ 0.00042659 = 4.8806 BTC [-]
18:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37073 @ 0.00042375 = 15.7097 BTC [-]
18:42 Adlai asciilifeform: which concern is (yes) meant to answer?
18:42 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: in what interesting and special ways *does* it suck?
18:42 asciilifeform Adlai: wai wat
18:43 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: generally, you get what you pay for and 'tanstaafl.' the 25 usd box (if they've any left) won't be a 64-core pleasureopteron
18:43 Adlai "i'm renting a physical *(yes)* box" <- as in, "have i visited the box personally and confirmed that it occupies the same reality as me? _yes_"
18:43 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i did learn how to read a datasheet in the mines.
18:43 ben_vulpes just 'cause this one has css doesn't change the selection process.
18:44 asciilifeform Adlai: if it's a vm, it passes all known tests for physicality (incl. timing) and the hypothetical fakers should not settle for the small change of running a hosting co., but go into malware
18:44 ben_vulpes ty nevertheless
18:45 Adlai asciilifeform: ok, $25/mo was seeming awfully cheap for a datacenter where customers visit their inmates
18:45 asciilifeform now, despite fact that 'you get what you pay,' the sc4mz0rz who try to herd common folks into 'enterprisey' golden toilet service contracts are still scum
18:46 asciilifeform but they've largely succeeded in destroying the 'golden median' between goldentoilet and vm crapola
18:46 nanotube <mircea_popescu> nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ? <- nope, gribble checks upon registration if the key is already in use.
18:46 * Adlai theoretically should migrate scalpl to somesuch bare minimum hosting... but the current box hasn't broken yet, so there's nothing to fix!
18:46 asciilifeform that being, modest 'grey haired' boxes (as old as p3) with a modest mirrored raid, mechanical disks, half a gb of ram
18:46 Adlai half a gb!
18:46 asciilifeform what.
18:47 thestringpuller that used to be a lot back in da day
18:47 asciilifeform unless you're in the physics model business, that's -still- enough for any sane application
18:47 Adlai it's enough for my development bots
18:47 Adlai yep
18:48 mircea_popescu nanotube well somehow mike_c found a case.
18:48 asciilifeform Adlai: boxes that -i personally- could visit where i live start around ~1k usd/mo
18:48 asciilifeform at the lowest possible end.
18:48 Adlai http://i.imgur.com/7Hl2wBb.png
18:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC8gv4 )
18:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021889
18:48 assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
18:49 asciilifeform Adlai: how come you don't use 'save-lisp-and-die' ?
18:50 Adlai some mix of: lazyness, the desire to periodically load my code into a fresh image, and ansi cl portability
18:51 asciilifeform also why exactly are the separate instances running as separate unix processes
18:51 asciilifeform (rather than sbcl threads)
18:51 asciilifeform sbcl supports proper (native) threading for ages now, iirc
18:51 Adlai "Tasks: 27, 90 thr"
18:52 asciilifeform that doesn't answer why it needs >1 sbcl running
18:53 Adlai it's 3 images for 4 bots, the two on the same exchange share an image; it's currently *possible* to run multiple on multiple exchanges from the same image, see 'lazyness etc'
18:53 Adlai also nice to have some level of isolation if i royally screw up one image
18:56 Adlai swap is there as a failsafe, it ran just fine 101 days without it, but i'd rather not take chances if things go crazy while i'm asleep
19:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00043498 = 15.0938 BTC [+] {2}
19:06 jurov or it will thrash to oblivion... better with no swap - OOM killer comes quickly
19:08 Adlai the vast majority of the data in memory is hardly ever touched and belongs in some less volatile storage
19:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00042509 = 6.4401 BTC [-]
19:17 Adlai ahahahaha pete_dushenski thank you for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W1weeK2UA#t=242 this is just what i needed before sleep
19:17 assbot Dogeparty 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACeJX7 )
19:17 pete_dushenski lol my pleasure
19:18 pete_dushenski that video made me laugh for a good few minutes
19:18 mircea_popescu ahaha ofmg
19:19 Adlai "like LEIKA?"
19:20 Adlai is where i died
19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25009 @ 0.00043857 = 10.9682 BTC [+]
19:20 Adlai incidentally, she did to, as will the doge
19:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6862 @ 0.00043903 = 3.0126 BTC [+]
19:22 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/
19:22 assbot CAVIRTEX Shutting Down Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACfQpG )
19:23 mircea_popescu will ?
19:23 mircea_popescu lolk
19:23 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/
19:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic << Interested in producing a likbez for qntra on this sort of disinformation, in this case specifically?
19:25 mike_c nanotube: here's the weirdness:
19:25 mike_c http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=chashew
19:25 assbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgqUs )
19:25 mike_c http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=bolzer
19:25 assbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgumX )
19:25 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo nice :D
19:25 mike_c note they have same fingerprint, but with chashew the keyid and fingerprint don't match
19:26 mike_c and that's simply the first one i noticed, i didn't continue to find others
19:28 nanotube mike_c: yep, got it. thanks :)
19:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00042483 = 16.356 BTC [-] {2}
19:34 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/
19:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00043328 = 8.1331 BTC [+]
19:42 ben_vulpes re: cavirtex hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
19:42 ben_vulpes fuck joseph david.
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19:59 cazalla i actually saw this the other day https://twitter.com/CAVIRTEX/status/567328589993897984 but let it slide as the website said something a little different (BTC and LTC wallets have been disabled due to a known issue. All customer funds are safe. Please be patient while we address the issue.)and i figured it would turn out as a nothing, way to be wrong eh
19:59 assbot BTC and LTC deposits & withdrawals are temporarily disabled while we investigate suspicious activity. All client funds are safe and secure.
20:00 cazalla well yesterday even
20:00 ben_vulpes safe and secure in the ca government's hands.
20:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: can you elaborate specifically what part of it all you suppose merits a whole article ?
20:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The part where other outlets sucked at covering it.
20:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: an article about how 500 other articles sucked donkey balls ?
20:13 asciilifeform that doesn't sound very interesting
20:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Basically. Your shiva hands are full though. In understand if this is a least interesting problem you could fill them with.
20:13 asciilifeform but there are thing that ought to be said
20:13 asciilifeform gimme a cheat sheet on how to format
20:14 asciilifeform need to include a photograph or two
20:15 BingoBoingo just like pete did is fine https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw emailing photos is is prolly the best way to get them in. emailing text works too.
20:15 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvE5cb )
20:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11017 @ 0.00043778 = 4.823 BTC [+] {2}
20:18 cazalla google still picks up dpaste, would be better to use email or at least something google cannot scrape before it gets on qntra
20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44783 @ 0.00043963 = 19.688 BTC [+] {2}
20:18 asciilifeform to whose key should send ?
20:18 cazalla either or
20:23 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski pls GPG the paste site submissions
20:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:29 BingoBoingo 512 days of history left for 0.7.2 "Why the fuck" edition to sync
20:35 cazalla perhaps it is coincidence but since 0.10 core came out, my active connections are up to 60-80 and upload has almost doubled
20:35 cazalla i am not running 0.10 mind you
20:42 danielpbarron i haven't seen any blocks mined with this new version in a while
20:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00042454 = 11.5475 BTC [-]
20:51 thestringpuller my client limits connections to 8 lol
20:51 thestringpuller don't want all those filthy people connected to me
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21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19858 @ 0.00042454 = 8.4305 BTC [-]
21:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36814 @ 0.00041964 = 15.4486 BTC [-]
21:24 cazalla i
21:24 cazalla i'm cleaning up and what do i see.. a spider, but one i've never seen before http://i.imgur.com/5Es7jlg.jpg
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21:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19uu0NE )
21:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00044019 = 21.2172 BTC [+]
21:29 BingoBoingo cazalla: Is it dead yet?
21:29 cazalla not yet and provided he keeps his distance, i won't do him in
21:31 BingoBoingo Gotta assume he is more poinsonous than normal
21:32 cazalla i think he is this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinopis_subrufa
21:32 assbot Deinopis subrufa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/19uvuas )
21:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56817 @ 0.00044046 = 25.0256 BTC [+] {2}
21:35 BingoBoingo cazalla: Note it is native to Australia. Explicitly mentioning it being poisonous would be redundant
21:35 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/
21:35 asciilifeform can someone dredge up mircea_popescu's old article which mentioned the imperative to use nonstandard computing arrangements to frustrate 'one size fits all' usg idiocies ?
21:35 asciilifeform specifically this concept, as a paragraph or two
21:36 cazalla BingoBoingo, he's not poisonous, at least not to me
21:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The paragraph under this roman numberal? http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#identifier_6_49997
21:37 assbot How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwqM9 )
21:38 asciilifeform no.
21:39 BingoBoingo hmm
21:41 BingoBoingo What about http://trilema.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/
21:41 assbot The FinFisher/FinSpy story, for posterity. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwZFR )
21:42 BingoBoingo Or http://trilema.com/2014/strategic-thinking-as-an-exercise/
21:42 assbot Strategic thinking as an exercise pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19ux4cp )
21:43 asciilifeform thx
21:43 asciilifeform that last one's it.
21:43 BingoBoingo k
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00044273 = 21.2732 BTC [-]
21:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00041939 = 13.4624 BTC [-] {2}
22:08 thestringpuller cazalla: http://www.statisticbrain.com/startup-failure-by-industry/ << interesting re: crunchbase thingie discussed last night
22:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00044273 = 10.8469 BTC [+]
22:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00044458 = 16.6718 BTC [+]
22:12 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/vermont-bitcoin-atm-cease-and-desist-requested/
22:17 danielpbarron "with additional fines possible prison time" s/fines possible/fines and possible/c
22:17 mike_c cazalla: is pete's article out of date? cavirtex is closing, no temporary about it
22:18 mike_c oh, confusing. maybe just change the title?
22:18 mike_c the body says it is closing for good
22:18 cazalla just needs a comma, i'll fix
22:18 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: fxd
22:18 mike_c ohhh, i get it. time for bed i think.
22:19 mike_c yeah, comma helps. thanks.
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11231 @ 0.00044458 = 4.9931 BTC [+]
22:28 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/silk-road-meth-dealer-pleads-guilty/
22:29 cazalla thestringpuller, i thought failure rate due to fraud would be hi gher
22:30 thestringpuller for what?
22:30 thestringpuller oh
22:30 thestringpuller that thing I posted
22:30 thestringpuller yea
22:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: am i to use your original wot key ?
22:42 asciilifeform or what
22:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: WoT key works
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23:01 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
23:01 gribble Current Blocks: 343987 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 748 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45992117595.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.45673
23:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/114FS2Z.txt
23:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CGUYZl )
23:03 asciilifeform plz confirm
23:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00043767 = 2.6698 BTC [-]
23:06 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: paste checksum of plaintext when you get it
23:11 BingoBoingo 7b0e48befe8051bdeb8a31272abb1b9067928e4a237110105897334a08b02fd197b47a52a3eb4bb508a2983b75e0457f059c85aff0f8aea9a161cb83fee14e31 << FOr plaintext saved as name "test.txt"
23:12 asciilifeform ok
23:12 asciilifeform it'll need a bit of formatting work
23:12 asciilifeform (there are links to linkify and images to imagify)
23:12 asciilifeform but otherwise ready to roll, imho.
23:13 BingoBoingo Cool, I'll get to assembling the package
23:13 asciilifeform neato.
23:14 mike_c ascii's qntra debut?
23:14 BingoBoingo mike_c: Nah he has an earlier likbez
23:14 BingoBoingo ;;google buterin's waterfall
23:14 gribble Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/>; Buterin's Waterfall. : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ljrdi/buterins_waterfall>; [Documentary Interview] Vitalik Buterin - Bitcoin Is A Transition ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mge5h/documentary_interview_vitalik_buterin_bitcoin_is/>
23:14 mike_c oh yeah. of course.
23:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: please make sure the fragile externally linked stuff (marked) is mirrored
23:26 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Working on that with cazalla
23:26 asciilifeform aha
23:26 decimation asciilifeform: I was thinking about a 'home chip fab'
23:26 decimation obviously modern lithography ain't gonna work
23:27 decimation not to mention the provision of masks, etc
23:27 asciilifeform the need for a steerable beam process is pretty clear
23:27 decimation the beam would spray 'dope' in the appropriate spots?
23:28 asciilifeform that'd be the extant 'ion beam workstation'
23:28 asciilifeform not useful for our purposes
23:28 asciilifeform as it demands high vacuum, among other finicky and expensive things
23:28 decimation what if an actual fab created a grid of transistors, and a home laser could 'blow' the appropriate areas for the wanted logic
23:29 asciilifeform this exists
23:29 asciilifeform called antifuse fpga
23:29 asciilifeform sucks for exactly the same reasons as ordinary fpga
23:29 asciilifeform but sucks even harder
23:29 decimation I'm sure it does
23:29 decimation but we are talking chip printing
23:29 asciilifeform that isn't chip printing
23:29 asciilifeform that's existing idiocy.
23:29 asciilifeform anyone who wants - open catalogue, buy right now.
23:30 decimation I guess my point is that it seems to be science fiction to me
23:30 asciilifeform welcome to propagation delays 100s of mSec long. and idiot proprietary toolchains
23:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198233 @ 0.00044605 = 88.4218 BTC [+] {5}
23:30 asciilifeform decimation: thus far, it is.
23:30 asciilifeform no one has yet suggested a practical means of doing it.
23:30 asciilifeform that i know of.
23:31 asciilifeform the only thing that seems certain imho is that starting from existing concept of ic fab is a dead end
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23:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24267 @ 0.00044887 = 10.8927 BTC [+]
23:31 decimation that I agree with
23:31 asciilifeform probably needs entirely new chemistry.
23:31 decimation I don't see how one could 'shrink' a fab into anything smaller than it is (as it currently exists)
23:31 asciilifeform that's the wrong thought.
23:32 asciilifeform we don't necessarily need to 'shrink the classical fab'
23:32 asciilifeform but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory.
23:32 decimation the alternative would be to have some kind of technology that would enable the precise manipulation of atoms at scale
23:32 asciilifeform good thermodynamic reasons to conclude that it is not doable in the general case
23:32 asciilifeform (resolves to 'maxwell's daemon')
23:34 decimation then again, I can envision a tradition fab becoming cheaper
23:34 asciilifeform as i pointed out earlier,
23:34 asciilifeform none of the items that comprise most of the expense have changed since day one.
23:34 decimation no
23:34 decimation they get more expensive, depending on your inflation factor
23:34 asciilifeform aha.
23:35 decimation high power euv light source isn't cheap
23:35 asciilifeform high vacuum, for instance, is still achieved in much the same ways as in 1930s
23:35 asciilifeform the energy required to melt Si is ever the same
23:35 asciilifeform (but costlier, as decimation points out, with inflation)
23:35 asciilifeform etc.
23:35 decimation there have been incremental improvements
23:35 decimation but not the orders of magnitude needed
23:35 asciilifeform aha.
23:36 asciilifeform nothing that threatens to put it in your friendly local illegal machine shop, much less your kitchen.
23:36 decimation no, that would require a 'cheapening factor' of around 10000
23:36 * asciilifeform for one would rather not have HF in his kitchen
23:36 decimation lol
23:36 decimation it's good fer ur bones
23:37 decimation asciilifeform: that was a neat link about ada
23:38 decimation I wasn't aware that it was still going strong in non-defense areas
23:38 asciilifeform i've learned that there is not actually a good substitute for ada, as of yet.
23:38 asciilifeform as in, something that actually provides the same functionality
23:39 asciilifeform without the 'bondage & discipline' stylistic aspects
23:39 decimation the trouble is that it seems the real toolchains used by these projects are all $$$ commercial
23:39 asciilifeform nope.
23:39 asciilifeform gnat is both widely used and gpl
23:40 asciilifeform (one of the conditions for the ancient usg mandate establishing ada 'foundation' is that the product must be gpl'ed)
23:40 decimation I guess the difference is the 'usg certificate'
23:40 asciilifeform the certificate has nothing to do with ada per se
23:40 Bet created: "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/
23:40 asciilifeform and is a separate racket
23:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.0004491 = 21.5119 BTC [+] {2}
23:40 asciilifeform for which the chumps, yes, pay
23:40 decimation no it's the real time os I think
23:40 asciilifeform at any rate, all of the 'standard library' is public
23:40 asciilifeform and (iirc) lgpl
23:41 asciilifeform there are proprietary ada systems, yes. i have not been able to learn who uses them, and for what.
23:42 asciilifeform but this being one of the only two programming languages in existence which are -standardized in their entirety-, in principle there is no reason - aside from retardation - to use a proprietary ada
23:42 asciilifeform - actually - i can think of one
23:42 asciilifeform gnat/gcc lacks support for some of the more exotic chips used
23:42 asciilifeform 'MIL-STD-1750A' etc.
23:42 asciilifeform ^ yes - actual cpu!
23:43 decimation http://archive.adaic.com/projects/atwork/boeing.html << "For these projects, Honeywell purchased DDC-I, Inc.'s Ada Compiler System, using it as the front-end source for Honeywell's symbolic debugger. "
23:43 assbot The Boeing 777 Flies on 99.9% Ada ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQmXtd )
23:43 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.
23:44 decimation asciilifeform: you can probably get access to mil-std's
23:45 asciilifeform considering that the sole remaining makers of the product described in that one are chinese...
23:45 asciilifeform not so hard
23:46 asciilifeform at any rate, all of the ada-related material is thoroughly public
23:47 asciilifeform and guess which are the only two programming languages to have 'rationale manuals' for every aspect of the language ?
23:47 asciilifeform i can sorta see why naggum went in for ada
23:47 decimation "23-Jan-2015 MILITARY STANDARD Sixteen-Bit Computer Instruction Set ArchitectureMIL-STD-1750A, dated 12-Apr-2010, remains inactive for newdesign; however, the document is valid for use."
23:47 asciilifeform it's a kind of 'polar opposite' of common lisp..
23:47 decimation wouldn't you put it in the 'algol' family?
23:48 asciilifeform decimation: that's traditional notation for a standard that no longer has a working group but has not been retracted
23:48 asciilifeform decimation: definitely. more specifically, pascal-likes.
23:48 asciilifeform (ada is quite like a more 'fascist' incarnation of pascal)
23:49 asciilifeform phun phact:
23:50 asciilifeform quite a few usg-sponsored war projects are still -struggling to modernize to ada-
23:50 asciilifeform and making use of 1970s-era monstrosities (e.g., 'JOVIAL')
23:50 decimation heh yeah
23:50 decimation another example is the 'next gen' faa routing system
23:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/
23:52 assbot Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQov6k )
23:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: image blows up
23:52 asciilifeform size it down to 640x480 perhaps
23:52 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/
23:53 thestringpuller oh nice article asciilifeform
23:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: / .. / - italics
23:55 decimation asciilifeform: I once visited an faa 'en-route' center when I was a youth
23:55 * asciilifeform thought that this was well-established
23:55 decimation back then they were using ancient mainframes that were pitiful in their capabilities
23:56 decimation http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A19970498000
23:56 assbot Control Panel, Air Traffic Control Computer, IBM 9020 | National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQp4xc )
23:59 BingoBoingo fx's applied
23:59 decimation yeah the ibm 9020 was programmed in JOVIAL
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