| 00:08 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: CXXFLAGS=-O2 -std=c++03 -> CXXFLAGS=-O2 -O3 << is this braindamage of my own design? |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
wai wa |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
i think i actually put in the std= |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
and said why (see log) but have since forgotten. |
| 00:10 |
decimation |
doesn't -O3 imply -O2? |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
where'd ya get the O2 O3 combo |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, decimation has it. |
| 00:10 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995066 |
| 00:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-01-2015 05:48:59; asciilifeform: 2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
not entirely related, |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
http://yosefk.com/blog/a-simple-way-to-get-more-people-to-code.html |
| 00:11 |
assbot |
A simple way to "get more people to code" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtv6nK ) |
| 00:11 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> where'd ya get the O2 O3 combo << shlomiel moment |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
^ mega-l0l |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
'If there's a shortage of programmers, we could pay programmers more money.' |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
^ 'does not know how world works.' everybody knows that 'shortage' in usg parlance means 'not readily available at the centrally planned price' |
| 00:12 |
decimation |
lol asciilifeform >"If this strikes you as absurd, does it strike you as even more absurd that people claim something to be a problem when its "solution" is as obvious as it is ridiculous? (Or is it really that ridiculous? Farm subsidies exist. Why not FarmVille subsidies?)" |
| 00:13 |
decimation |
where's my farmville subsidies? has congress passed the farmville bill yet? |
| 00:15 |
decimation |
lol "An owner of a 3D printer recently told me that "having one really exposes the impotence of… not having one. For instance, I needed this little thingie to hold a shelf. Took 30 minutes to design and print. And where would I get it otherwise?!" The answer, of course, is "at a nearby store" where they have a box full of these thingies at about 20 cents apiece. Of course, in a couple thousand years, his investment in the 3D printer |
| 00:15 |
decimation |
will repay itself though the continuous printing of thingies." |
| 00:15 |
decimation |
of course, printing something structurally critical like a bracket holding weight is a great application for weakass-plastic 3d printing |
| 00:17 |
ben_vulpes |
oh just beef it up some |
| 00:17 |
decimation |
heh |
| 00:17 |
ben_vulpes |
it ain't under vibratory load or anything |
| 00:18 |
decimation |
so you gotta wonder how long it took the guy to dick around with his winblows cad software to create a bracket |
| 00:18 |
ben_vulpes |
although the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy |
| 00:18 |
ben_vulpes |
it has been a few years since i looked at the "open" cadcam "solutions". |
| 00:19 |
ben_vulpes |
last time i checked the answer to "assemblies?" was "lolwut" and i stopped paying attention. |
| 00:19 |
decimation |
yeah my understanding is that solidworks is kind of the 3d hill and autocad is king of the 2d hill |
| 00:19 |
decimation |
s/kind/king/ |
| 00:20 |
ben_vulpes |
inventor fusion's pretty sweet. |
| 00:20 |
ben_vulpes |
full multiphysics sims |
| 00:20 |
decimation |
interesting |
| 00:20 |
ben_vulpes |
that you gotta check against single dimension approximations to make sure it's not haring off into impossiblespace |
| 00:22 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: do either of those systems accept 'scripting' inputs, such that you could describe the parts with a textual interface? |
| 00:24 |
ben_vulpes |
unrelated: http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/80052.jpg |
| 00:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtwuqw ) |
| 00:24 |
ben_vulpes |
decimation: they both support defining parts parametrically. |
| 00:25 |
ben_vulpes |
and in fact that is how good part design should be done. |
| 00:25 |
decimation |
I should think so |
| 00:25 |
ben_vulpes |
mm but pure text part description? |
| 00:25 |
ben_vulpes |
nah. |
| 00:25 |
ben_vulpes |
well, i don't know. |
| 00:26 |
ben_vulpes |
i wasn't programming when i was a hot modeler. |
| 00:26 |
ben_vulpes |
it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction. |
| 00:26 |
decimation |
I mean that the brain's language 'co-processor' (as ascii desribed it) can be used |
| 00:27 |
ben_vulpes |
!s co-processor from:asciilifeform |
| 00:27 |
assbot |
0 results for 'co-processor from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=co-processor+from%3Aasciilifeform |
| 00:27 |
decimation |
well, there's certainly a 'does it fit' aspect that is visual |
| 00:27 |
ben_vulpes |
decimation: it's actually very fast and intuitive once you've learned the interfaces. |
| 00:28 |
ben_vulpes |
6-axis doolie to move the object around in space; select faces and planes on which to draw shapes and sweep/extrude them through space. |
| 00:28 |
ben_vulpes |
"does it fit" << doubly so in the context of assemblies. |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy << trololol |
| 00:30 |
decimation |
https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)" |
| |
↖ |
| 00:30 |
assbot |
Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtx5Iy ) |
| 00:30 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: made a comment on that post |
| 00:30 |
BingoBoingo |
!up PinkPixel^ |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction << depends on what is being drawn. see 'openscad' etc. |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
(or, earlier, 'povray') |
| 00:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00038439 = 30.4437 BTC [-] |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: but yes, if physics sims, output to heavy industry spec, etc. is your thing - winblows. |
| 00:33 |
decimation |
I certainly can describe a bolt as 'Hex bolts, Stainless steel 18-8, 1/4"-20'' and have a pretty good idea of what I mean |
| 00:34 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: on the other hand if all you want to do is to define some geometry and run a lathe, there are tolerably sane proggys around |
| 00:35 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: what software would you recommend to create an easily purchased bracket from inappropriate materials? |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
'openscad' if mathematically-inclined, 'freecad' if used to traditional gui |
| 00:35 |
decimation |
hehe |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
or wake up diametric, ask him what he uses now |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
^ fella owns a princely collection of cnc equipment |
| 00:36 |
decimation |
yeah he does as I recall |
| 00:38 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: actually in that scott locklin comment thread he brings up labview, which I'm sure you are familiar with |
| 00:38 |
decimation |
I find his idea that someone actually uses labview for something other than to waste the taxpayers' time & money amusing |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: used, believe or not, in industry (as in, actual plant control) |
| 00:39 |
decimation |
really? why bother with the layers of turdware? |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
sorta occupies that niche of 'i need to automate a process but i refuse to learn to program' |
| 00:40 |
decimation |
ah. |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
why bother with the layers << anything to 'avoid programming' |
| 00:40 |
decimation |
Because there's very little I can imagine labview can do that couldn't be replaced with a few hundred lines of "c" and the labview driver library |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
in an earlier age, 'hypercard' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 << my article on the subject) filled a similar niche |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
^ was ludicrously popular on account of intelligent folks who were 'afraid of programming' and agreed to try it out because it didn't pattern-match their phobia |
| 00:42 |
asciilifeform |
rather than because of any one of the other characteristics |
| 00:43 |
decimation |
yeah that makes sense. as I recall as a youth in school, it was used as kind of a proto-powerpoint |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
microscope-hammer. |
| 00:45 |
decimation |
actually even the html/css shitstack has grown its own quasi hypercard https://ifttt.com/ |
| 00:45 |
assbot |
Put the internet to work for you. - IFTTT ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtyyPf ) |
| 00:45 |
decimation |
and a variety of similar 'startups' |
| 00:45 |
decimation |
except they cost $, are not reliable, and are less useful than hypercard was |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: if you'd like a canonical list of those turds, of several years' vintage, read the comments to 568. |
| 00:46 |
decimation |
lolz I didn't look at the comments |
| 00:48 |
decimation |
including one 'have you tried labview' lol |
| 00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
oh jesus labview |
| 00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
the best part about labview is how once a person builds a reasonably complex thing in it they and only they can really understand where all the pipes go and where all the data is and how control moves around |
| 00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
one of the things that gently nudged me into my current slavery |
| 00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: 'trololol' < i suppose that part sheets, dimensional tolerancing and what have you are part of my base assumptions for part fab. |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: actually I think the best explanation for 'why hypercard had to die' is that apple discovered that you could sell software to chumps at huge profit, whereas actually competing on hardware is a low-margin miserable business |
| 00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
i can't recall if i ever bumped into freecad. |
| 00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
ah hey freecad looks okay |
| 00:54 |
decimation |
I think I used it a little while, it mostly works |
| 00:54 |
ben_vulpes |
oh jesus this is going to be like gimp isn't it |
| 00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
every little feature squireled away a million menus down |
| 00:55 |
decimation |
yeah that's exactly what I thought when I opened it |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.freecadweb.org |
| 00:55 |
assbot |
FreeCAD: An Open Source parametric 3D CAD modeler ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtzseo ) |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: like gimp ? |
| 00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: have you ever worked with photoshop, illustrator et al? |
| 00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
and i mean for hours, weeks at a stretch? |
| 00:56 |
decimation |
there's another angle to the 'open source cad' thing: autocad refuses to release the spec for their full-feature 'save' files |
| 00:56 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: actually yes. |
| 00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
my mind is blown. |
| 00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
why? |
| 00:57 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: as you can probably guess, 'not from a good life' |
| 00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: and did you spend a similar amount of time attempting to 'work' the same way in 'the gimp'? |
| 00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
(subject of the portatron: "g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) ") |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i think i see what you were thinking. |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
internal error: killed << wai way |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
post output ? |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
or was that it |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
ram, likely. |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
no, 'twas all. |
| 00:59 |
asciilifeform |
what were you building on? |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
obj, obj, obj...Killed. |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
dead goat ? |
| 01:00 |
ben_vulpes |
pauper's vps. |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
why -build- on a vps ? |
| 01:00 |
* |
asciilifeform perplexed |
| 01:01 |
ben_vulpes |
again, shlomiel. |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
i'd no idea that compiling a static bitcoind would take quite so much memory. then again, it's loading all of boost and dbb and openssl - does all of the above need to reside in memory at the same time? |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: same time << as obj, yes |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: how else. |
| 01:05 |
decimation |
it could swap on a hard drive at extreme performance penalty |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: on the subject of 'gimp'-like proggys with terrifyingly layered menus - this is a well-known plague and there is no, afaik, ready pill for it. |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
someone might say 'key mappings' but this neglects the explorability aspect |
| 01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: the only pills i'm aware of are pouring capital into refining the interface and training the intended customers. |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
(the reason why it is possible to learn photoshit without reading docs is that the controls are there on the table, so to speak) |
| 01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
aside from having the thing actually be programmable, but that's apparently a nonstarter in our world. |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 01:30 |
* |
ben_vulpes recompiles on local vm with actual beef to it. |
| 01:44 |
mircea_popescu |
aww scoopbot ded ? |
| 01:44 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell peterl scoopbot x.x |
| 01:44 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 01:59 |
ben_vulpes |
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all |
| |
↖ ↖ |
| 01:59 |
assbot |
Bjarne Stroustrup: "I Did It For You All..." ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcSzIk ) |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
time ./auto.sh |
| 02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
... |
| 02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
real20m17.054s |
| 02:20 |
mircea_popescu |
lol @fake interview |
| 02:21 |
ben_vulpes |
p funny |
| 02:30 |
ben_vulpes |
http://longnow.org/essays/richard-feynman-connection-machine/ |
| 02:30 |
assbot |
Richard Feynman and The Connection Machine - The Long Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1zEiy6Q ) |
| 02:38 |
ben_vulpes |
wolfram worked with feynman at Thinking Machines?! |
| 02:40 |
ben_vulpes |
Whenever it came time for his daily bowl of soup he would look around for the nearest "girl" and ask if she would fetch it to him. It did not matter if she was the cook, an engineer, or the president of the company. I once asked a female engineer who had just been a victim of this if it bothered her. "Yes, it really annoys me," she said. "On the other hand, he is the only one who ever explained quantum mechanics to me as if I could |
| 02:40 |
ben_vulpes |
understand it." |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 03:02 |
mircea_popescu |
so in the end... she enjoyed it ? |
| 03:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00040115 = 15.4042 BTC [+] |
| 03:13 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: of course, printing something structurally critical like a bracket holding weight is a great application for weakass-plastic 3d printing << yes, because hopefully it falls on his head. |
| |
~ 1 hours 12 minutes ~ |
| 04:26 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 04:28 |
BingoBoingo |
!up hegemoOn |
| 04:28 |
Vexual |
Reminds me of some aussie cops spending 10k on a printer and 9bux on a roll pf cornstarch to show how a liberator will take your fingers orf |
| 04:28 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
| 04:28 |
hegemoOn |
thank you BingoBoingo |
| 04:32 |
Vexual |
Theyre busy investigating all the unwarranted bugging by the internal affairs of the next commissioner now. Printers prolly gone |
| 04:33 |
hegemoOn |
good morning gentlemen |
| 04:34 |
Vexual |
Hello hegemoon |
| 04:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Vexual: The Buggering bu Internal Affairs you say? |
| 04:36 |
Vexual |
Dunno. Makes me think that things McAfee says aren't nessisarily because of bath salts |
| 04:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5589 @ 0.00073773 = 4.1232 BTC [-] {20} |
| 04:39 |
Vexual |
Perhaps politics amd sculldugerous corruption are inseprable |
| 04:43 |
Vexual |
More likely noone actually knows whats happening |
| 04:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, the person getting buggered probably has an idea |
| 04:46 |
Vexual |
;;ticker |
| 04:46 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.08, Best ask: 267.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 267.79, 24 hour volume: 20489.98533335, 24 hour low: 242.46, 24 hour high: 267.79, 24 hour vwap: 253.324401193 |
| 04:48 |
punkman |
"An owner of a 3D printer recently told me that "having one really exposes the impotence of… not having one." << it's a great timesink, especially if you enjoy flapping your hands wondering why the fuck it's not printing or why it's on fire again |
| 04:48 |
Vexual |
Lol |
| 04:49 |
Vexual |
Sounds a lot like the police commissioners job |
| 04:50 |
punkman |
also, not only do you have to learn to CAD, but most CADs just don't work for things you want to 3D print |
| 04:50 |
punkman |
and then there's the G-code slicer |
| 04:50 |
punkman |
oh what a wonderful world that is |
| 04:51 |
Vexual |
Poor lady had so many more police holes than baddie holes in hostages in the recent terry wrist thing |
| 04:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00038309 = 16.3963 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:52 |
Vexual |
So does a 3d printer make you get better at cad? |
| 04:53 |
punkman |
maybe, if you aren't spending all your time trying to keep printer level |
| 04:56 |
Vexual |
Like the builder who presents a nice archicad flythru then blames the concreter for everything that follows |
| 04:56 |
punkman |
!up Vexual |
| 04:58 |
punkman |
"Insufficient rights, punkman, !up yourself on PM first." but why |
| 05:00 |
punkman |
!up Vexual |
| 05:01 |
Vexual |
Shes fun |
| 05:03 |
punkman |
10 years of RepRap gets you from here: http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/thumb/d/d8/All_3_axes_fdmd_sml.jpg/527px-All_3_axes_fdmd_sml.jpg |
| 05:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FdiMdl ) |
| 05:04 |
punkman |
to here: http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/5/55/Prusai3-metalframe.jpg |
| 05:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FdiMKh ) |
| 05:05 |
Vexual |
I've always wanted a makerbot |
| 05:06 |
punkman |
makerbot is an inch closer to "just works" |
| 05:06 |
Vexual |
They look like they're getting crapper for ease of use |
| 05:07 |
Vexual |
I just wanna run any material and stuff is adjustable |
| 05:10 |
Vexual |
I mean easier to use at the expense of actually working well |
| 05:13 |
punkman |
I'm gonna try again in 2016 |
| 05:14 |
Vexual |
Hopefully ba has a thingiverse better by then |
| 05:14 |
BingoBoingo |
What does a 3D printer actually fix that a roll of Duct tape doesn't fix faster and better? |
| 05:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122300 @ 0.00038384 = 46.9436 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:16 |
Vexual |
Its about arranging things correctly |
| 05:22 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UdjDMdBVRY |
| 05:22 |
assbot |
XRobots - Lulzbot TAZ4 3D Printer Unboxing, Setup & First Prints - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fdlxvp ) |
| 05:23 |
Vexual |
A well designed shelf bracket will be better and stronger than the hardware shop equivalent |
| 05:24 |
Vexual |
You can have holes that fit the screws you own |
| 05:25 |
Vexual |
Or sign to say you have a copy of some turgid dick in abs |
| 05:26 |
BingoBoingo |
I thought the hole was supposed to adapt to the screw |
| 05:28 |
Vexual |
yeah you print the hole to suit |
| 05:29 |
punkman |
I don't want it to fix things, that's nonsense |
| 05:33 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 05:37 |
Vexual |
Yah can duct tape anything its true. But it's nice when shit works properly |
| 05:39 |
Vexual |
Remember when fluffypony made mining rig racks from aluminum section? |
| 05:39 |
fluffypony |
still do |
| 05:40 |
BingoBoingo |
211165 and still going on latest sync test. Will try to ride this one to the present |
| 05:40 |
BingoBoingo |
At least fluffypony learned his lesson about shipping stuff via boat |
| 05:41 |
fluffypony |
lol yeah |
| 05:41 |
BingoBoingo |
And about opening sales to the lowest common denominator |
| 05:42 |
Vexual |
Did a shark eat it? |
| 05:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Only the left one |
| 05:42 |
fluffypony |
jawz |
| 05:43 |
Vexual |
What happened with the ocean surface? |
| 05:43 |
Vexual |
Too slow 5 mining? |
| 05:44 |
fluffypony |
Vexual: yeah, the cheapskates that chose surface mail had to wait 3 months for their stuff to arrive |
| 05:47 |
punkman |
fluffypony: did the usg agent choose surface mail too? |
| 05:48 |
fluffypony |
punkman: hah hah yes |
| 05:48 |
fluffypony |
Secret Agent Man |
| 05:48 |
punkman |
fun |
| 05:49 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 05:49 |
Vexual |
Danke |
| 05:49 |
Vexual |
Well |
| 05:51 |
Vexual |
It really seems anyone in the game is doing the same thing they did 2 yeats ago |
| 05:53 |
Vexual |
Shit just works |
| 05:53 |
BingoBoingo |
http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/02/13/rapamycin_and_aging_the_spotlight_shines.php |
| 05:53 |
assbot |
Rapamycin And Aging: The Spotlight Shines. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zg8diN ) |
| 05:54 |
thestringpuller |
oh no. computer is running out of memory due to bitcoin |
| 05:54 |
thestringpuller |
using up 80% of memory |
| 05:55 |
BingoBoingo |
thestringpuller: What are you running bitcoin on? |
| 05:56 |
Vexual |
Did vulpes try compile on ppc? Or does he only run intel macs? |
| 05:57 |
punkman |
bitcoind doesn't run on ppc |
| 05:57 |
Vexual |
Oh |
| 05:58 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: What makes you so sure? |
| 05:58 |
Vexual |
I just read 3 days on x and project ed |
| 05:59 |
punkman |
BingoBoingo: not sure, I was looking at some recent patches for big-endian support though |
| 06:00 |
punkman |
does it run? |
| 06:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Just because it doesn't compile as offered doesn't mean and can't be beat into it. |
| 06:00 |
thestringpuller |
BingoBoingo a machine with only 1gb of ram |
| 06:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Haven't tried don't have any PPC macs around at the moment |
| 06:00 |
BingoBoingo |
thestringpuller: No the OS |
| 06:01 |
thestringpuller |
Debian 7 |
| 06:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
| 06:01 |
BingoBoingo |
thestringpuller: What about setting a process memory usage limit and scripting the restart process after it gets killed? |
| 06:11 |
Vexual |
I stopped buying macs when they went intel |
| 06:12 |
Vexual |
They are glittery worky nao tho |
| 06:16 |
Vexual |
I guess x11 is the sameish |
| 06:18 |
Vexual |
Best deleted |
| 06:19 |
Vexual |
still it rots somewhere like steves stonewash, feigning importance |
| 06:27 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 06:37 |
Vexual |
An affliction that unburdened by |
| 06:37 |
Vexual |
I'm |
| 06:40 |
thestringpuller |
BingoBoingo: I will try it again at some point ~_~ |
| 06:40 |
thestringpuller |
i had to kill it too much memory |
| 06:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00037987 = 20.9308 BTC [-] {2} |
| 06:41 |
BingoBoingo |
thestringpuller: Well, you can restart it nao. The memory consumption was fatherless bastard blocks. Should restart with low RAM usage before creeping up and needing killed again. This can be repeated until you reach the present. |
| 06:41 |
Vexual |
What are you running it on thestringpuller? |
| 06:41 |
thestringpuller |
The computer is a decade old Vexual |
| 06:42 |
Vexual |
Noice |
| 06:42 |
thestringpuller |
Was an old gaming rig now turned server cause it has SATA/IDE/SCSI |
| 06:42 |
thestringpuller |
so I just connect lots of drives to it |
| 06:43 |
Vexual |
Thatd have cost a pretty penny |
| 06:43 |
Vexual |
Back in the day. Crossroads of storage |
| 06:44 |
thestringpuller |
yea, but i guess problem is if this computer is slow at getting current block this raising blocksize thing ain't gonna fly |
| 06:44 |
Vexual |
Will it raid? |
| 06:44 |
thestringpuller |
like computers grow on trees or some nonsense |
| 06:46 |
thestringpuller |
I've never used the built in raid controller. I dunno if I could find the software needed to run it that way since I'm pretty sure the mainboard company is now defunct ~_~ |
| 06:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127200 @ 0.00037509 = 47.7114 BTC [-] {2} |
| 06:48 |
Vexual |
How many meg blocks are even? |
| 06:48 |
Vexual |
Miners seem to prefer 250k |
| 06:49 |
thestringpuller |
ya |
| 06:54 |
Vexual |
Yad need some friends and private fibre to mine 20 meg block |
| 06:54 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2015/02/elizabeth-warren-balks-on-opportunity-to-act-on-federal-reserve-criticisms/ |
| 06:54 |
assbot |
Elizabeth Warren Balks on Opportunity to Act on Federal Reserve Criticisms | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADYabI ) |
| 06:55 |
thestringpuller |
dat scoopbot downtime tho |
| 06:59 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 07:05 |
Vexual |
The block reward gets smaller, fees will come into it |
| 07:07 |
Vexual |
Who will wait around for 1 meg? |
| 07:11 |
Vexual |
We don't even know what a block is worth |
| 07:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123265 @ 0.00037159 = 45.804 BTC [-] {3} |
| 07:19 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/02/penetrating-traumas/ |
| 07:19 |
assbot |
Cupid Off Target This Valentine’s Day, Causing Massive Penetrating Traumas | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1AE27Nu ) |
| 07:20 |
Vexual |
I thought massive penetrating trauma happensvwhen cupid is in full effect |
| 07:21 |
BingoBoingo |
who knows? |
| 07:21 |
Vexual |
Trauma isn't necessarily bad |
| 07:23 |
Vexual |
is it not just sone sudden change ? |
| 07:24 |
Adlai |
how about "an uncomfortable recalibration of one's comfort zone" |
| 07:26 |
Vexual |
That works |
| 07:27 |
Vexual |
Deal with it |
| 07:29 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
| 07:29 |
Vexual |
Anyway I'm off to sleep in the dirt |
| 07:30 |
Adlai |
don't forget to take off your shirt |
| 07:31 |
Vexual |
I would have if you hadn't mentioned itt |
| |
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| 08:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.00038573 = 45.1111 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 1 hours 25 minutes ~ |
| 10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
gooood mornin' terrines y terreurs |
| 10:26 |
danielpbarron |
to give some idea of how much faster solid state drive is vs a 5400 rpm drive, it caught up to a weeks worth of blocks in about a day |
| 10:26 |
danielpbarron |
height=183012 vs height=181378 currently |
| |
↖ |
| 10:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156450 @ 0.00036457 = 57.037 BTC [-] {3} |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
impressive. |
| 10:32 |
danielpbarron |
it's around the 180k mark that it all slows down |
| 10:36 |
kakobrekla |
i wonder what goes longer way towards 'inclusiveness', the big blocks or cheap nodes |
| |
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| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a legitimate question. |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously, both. in what proportion ? well... |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but that was the camels/donkeys thing exactly. |
| 10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
http://40.media.tumblr.com/0059a70599c6bf51782bcf765eac8c1e/tumblr_ni508hf2UN1ryv8ymo1_1280.jpg |
| 10:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1yGBT7w ) |
| 10:51 |
chetty |
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/deputies-hundreds-of-teens-storm-ocoee-theater/31281974 |
| 10:51 |
assbot |
Deputies: Hundreds of teens storm Ocoee theater | News - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnYGz1 ) |
| 10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
the stormteens ? |
| 11:04 |
chetty |
a general breakdown of civilized behavior ..seems to be getting worse |
| |
~ 49 minutes ~ |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno... kids breaking into the movies seems pretty civilised. |
| 12:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22047 @ 0.00035928 = 7.921 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/28d2bb2ffbc641518a3674b8fe676582/tumblr_ngz20w8Rmh1r6nfu5o1_500.jpg << and the worst ropework ever award goes to... |
| 12:23 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1L09csV ) |
| 12:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127404 @ 0.00039539 = 50.3743 BTC [+] {2} |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/7775b8f8ffc657bc015ef2ee82ae9a96/tumblr_nevo5u87uH1ryv8ymo6_r1_1280.jpg 1940s |
| 12:38 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Arz3tW ) |
| 12:44 |
ben_vulpes |
what's the context of all the "schoolgirls"? |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody actually knows. that pic is about as old as cable modems, but its context lost to the world. |
| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/e7da3c023fe4aa185818c0f45d2608a9/tumblr_ngyygwRl3P1u13y88o1_500.gif << mail order bride done right. |
| 12:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1L0cTih ) |
| 12:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21996 @ 0.00040248 = 8.853 BTC [+] |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlfkutB-PcE << this is epic. so some derp from alba (roguhly romania's equivalent of Indiana) has been a fugitive sought for proxenetism and "creating an organised crime group" for over a year. he's put some derpy rap thing on youtube, and the tv chicks are creaming their pants because "over 1000 views". literally, "peste o mie de vizitatori" = over 1k views. |
| 13:00 |
assbot |
Cel mai cautat interlop din Alba a devenit vedeta pe internet - Extern - Observator Antena1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ArCtx3 ) |
| 13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
they even have a 5 second delay "connecting" to the "correspondent". who is like, fifty feet away. |
| 13:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56350 @ 0.00037393 = 21.071 BTC [-] |
| 13:30 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: proxenetism ? |
| 13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. pimpery. |
| 13:30 |
* |
asciilifeform assumed it meant 'running a net of spam proxies' |
| 13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 13:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: gurlz list << mega-l0l! |
| 13:35 |
asciilifeform |
how many, one might wonder, are decoys |
| 13:35 |
asciilifeform |
(iirc those are sop on 'sex www' sites) |
| 13:37 |
davout |
http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-february-15th-2015-statement/ |
| 13:37 |
assbot |
X.EUR February 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/17CrLHj ) |
| 13:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9254 @ 0.00037393 = 3.4603 BTC [-] |
| 13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform one so inclined can verify. |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
unrelatedly, it's kinda fun to watch the slowly seethin anger or "secret" girly venues at this INCREDIBLE IMPROPRIETY. |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
god damned it they have decided fetlife is not to be searched. how dares anyone change this, and how dare they be someone specific! |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
s/or/on/ |
| 13:51 |
asciilifeform |
mega-weeve |
| 13:52 |
asciilifeform |
did this actually get a rise out of somebody ? |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ? |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform for instance http://www.notjustbitchy.com/clearly-there-are-too-many-women-on-fetlife/ |
| 13:59 |
assbot |
Clearly there are too many women on Fetlife » Not Just Bitchy ... ( http://bit.ly/17CvGnA ) |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
https://github.com/meitar/fetlife-aslsearch#why-can-i-only-search-for-men-not-women for moar example. |
| 14:00 |
assbot |
meitar/fetlife-aslsearch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17CvTqY ) |
| 14:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'my educated guess that the search is not offered because they couldn't support it, technically, not for any high falootin' ethical considerations.' << lol, like the thousands of dissertations on 'use of light and shadow' in sistine chapel ceiling |
| 14:01 |
asciilifeform |
where did they go when the soot was cleaned off. |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
lol yup. |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody, conveniently, remembers those. |
| 14:02 |
asciilifeform |
of course not |
| 14:02 |
mircea_popescu |
because, you see, "nobody ever got fired for arguing from pangloss". |
| 14:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the ibm thing is just a subset of this. |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
'nobody ever got fired' for being a meatpuppet who blindly imitates their immediate neighbour - yes |
| 14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
ascribing intent to happenstance is like ascribing causation to correlation, or ascribing life to movement : it soothes the brain, it makes the world "friendlier" |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
but they do deserve a good thrashing now & then |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
only if they're more than meatpuppet. |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
only slavegirl should be beaten for failure, and only exceptional girls should be accepted into slavery. |
| 14:06 |
jurov |
!s assbot dividend |
| 14:06 |
assbot |
3 results for 'assbot dividend' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=assbot+dividend |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
even if there is nothing sentient in the muppet that would win from the thrashing - if it is a public one, it will do some good for those who yet might |
| 14:07 |
jurov |
kakobrekla, assbot again did not announce mpex dividends |
| 14:07 |
jurov |
divs are deprecated now? |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov there was an error which we've meanwhile fixed |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
should appear from thenceforth |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform hard to argue with that point. |
| 14:15 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: win from the thrashing - if it is a public one << "maim one, educate one thousand" |
| 14:15 |
jurov |
also, i can't relate the bitbet dividend (3.21579681) to S.BBET monthly statement that says: |
| 14:16 |
jurov |
3.21579699 BTC minus 1.9624272 BTC substracted due to last month's credit, for a final total of 1.25336979 BTC to be paid as dividends for MPEx(sic!) shares this month. |
| 14:19 |
jurov |
i'd suggest mircea to hire someone reliable to do the dividend payouts |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 14:40 |
kakobrekla |
lol is it erroneous again? |
| 14:40 |
decimation |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9052727 < lol, listen to chumps stuck inside the silly-con valley startup chumpatron grind and squeal about the sudden realization that they are working for nothing |
| 14:40 |
assbot |
Ask HN: What up with these startup salaries? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0sbn8 ) |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i carried it. |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov this is quickly developing into my fatal flaw, so i can be like a villain in the movies. |
| 14:41 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: is it theoretically possible that the 3% figure is off on account of gurlz refusing to indicate their sex (or somehow listing it in non-readily-machinereadable form in 'about' biographical box, etc. - is there one?) |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
"sure he can piss everyone off - but he can't actually pay dividends correctly to save his life" |
| 14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
there is no way to list it but not list it. they could in principle not list it at all - the problem then becomes that, for our needs, they actually ARENT female. |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
so it's "about 3% out of the first 100k that self identify as female and self identify as under 30yo". for all we know two thirds of that are all labrador retrievers. |
| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: they were 'working for nothing' long ago, by way of giving up most of their salary to the local real estate chumpatron as a mandatory matter |
| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: low pay is not the only way to be poor |
| 14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation music to my years |
| 14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean ears. |
| 14:44 |
decimation |
yeah some of the comments are amusing |
| 14:44 |
decimation |
"Don't you have faith that we'll be successful?" |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"nope" |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"not enough to give you my girl, anyway" |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
imagine the market chilling effects of these derps having to actually ask the girl from her father. |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
"o no, it would capsize the economy" |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
what fucking economy ? |
| 14:47 |
decimation |
apparently in new york the situation is a little more harsh: "In New York, people have given up on equity. I hear this time and again in the NYC tech scene - building a company is hard in NYC because people don't believe equity is worth anything because of the bullshit that happened in the first bubble. In New York especially, there were a lot of shenanigans with equity in 99/00 bubble/crash era where companies got sold and employees |
| 14:47 |
decimation |
got nothing because of liquidation preferences and other things. " |
| 14:51 |
decimation |
http://www.geocities.ws/drhenke/startupmemo.htm < wise advice linked in the comments |
| 14:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tGl8 ) |
| 14:51 |
decimation |
"If your gut (or someone you trust) tells you that ANY ONE of the Founders is a bozo, forget it and walk away. They will take you and the company down." |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
re: tiny equities: as i understand, scarcely anyone even gets a fixed % of a company now |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
because it is generally understood that whatever one gets will be 'homeopathic' quantity after umpteen rounds of dilution |
| 14:55 |
asciilifeform |
instead you get 'xxxx shares' |
| 14:55 |
asciilifeform |
(of what? who knows) |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
whoever reads the term sheets knows. |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway : mpex people get fixed %s. everyone else gets shit. |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
tale was re: usa rather than mpex, aha |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
'In Silicon Valley, my startup offers over the past two years have ranged from $160-250K with 0.5-0.75% equity.' -- from one comment in above link. and folks read this, and think he's paid 250k in actual money |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
why no one ever discusses actual take-home pay ? |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. what remains after -all- the taxation? |
| 15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
because the ydo not wish to be depressed. |
| 15:01 |
asciilifeform |
the folks in that thread appear to be entirely willing to be depressed |
| 15:02 |
asciilifeform |
but somehow continue to studiously dance around the subject of the disease that's actually killing them |
| 15:15 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: most of them would agree with moldbug's analysis that they believe paying tax is 'i gave at the office' |
| 15:15 |
asciilifeform |
the biggest tax, by far, is the real estate chumpamatic |
| 15:17 |
asciilifeform |
and if the folks involved could live in detroit and collect that salary, they would. |
| 15:17 |
decimation |
if by 'detroit' you mean anywhere where you could buy a house for less than 100k, you are probably correct |
| 15:17 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 15:18 |
asciilifeform |
if they all moved to the actual detroit, the chump harvester would simply move with them |
| 15:18 |
decimation |
aye |
| 15:18 |
decimation |
asciilifeform, all these high salaries 'create jobs', you see |
| 15:18 |
asciilifeform |
to follow mircea_popescu's 'ducks and hunters' analogy, the ducks cluster in a flock and get shot together |
| 15:19 |
asciilifeform |
it would be interesting to consider what 'refusing to be the duck' would mean for the programmers |
| 15:19 |
decimation |
replacement by an indian, either on or off shore |
| 15:19 |
asciilifeform |
would they each pick a village and duel to the death with any other who decides to come to town ? |
| 15:20 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: as i understand, everyone who could easily be 'replaced by indian' (not always from india proper, but often east eu, etc. and the 'orc' world in general) - has been |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> replacement by an indian, either on or off shore << this is like saying your trophy wife that if she quits you, you'll replace her with a masturbation aid. |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
is it supposed to be like a threat or something ? |
| 15:21 |
decimation |
if that's true, then why are the chumpers willing to work for $60k (and pay $60k to live) |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
statu quo. |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
why were romanians willing to shiver in the winter in 88 ? |
| 15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
!up hegemoOn |
| 15:22 |
decimation |
because the chumps to the right and left were also so willing apparently |
| 15:22 |
hegemoOn |
thank you mircea_popescu |
| 15:23 |
asciilifeform |
re: programmers, the inescapable conclusion is that in usa, their $xxx k-usd salary is merely a 'money laundry' vehicle for real estate racket |
| 15:23 |
asciilifeform |
and in no sense anything else |
| 15:23 |
hegemoOn |
to talk abour what i know |
| 15:24 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah, it goes to the thread a few weeks ago about why does usg even bother to tax at all |
| 15:24 |
hegemoOn |
in the 90 most bouncer were freelance |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2015/what-the-actual-threat-of-the-medicalisation-of-individuality-looks-like/ << moar scriptures for the cult bible. |
| 15:24 |
assbot |
What the actual threat of the medicalisation of individuality looks like pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFxuaD ) |
| 15:24 |
hegemoOn |
getting high salary |
| 15:25 |
decimation |
decimation: it would simplify accounting if your salary just went directly to the local land baron |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation the point for the accounting is to not be simplified. it would also simplify accounting if the two jews "selling" each other the same painting just wrote random numbers of paper. |
| 15:25 |
hegemoOn |
but owner of club decided to unit and |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
similarly, it'd simplify accounting if the theatre just closed down. but then... |
| 15:26 |
hegemoOn |
create company hiring eastern europe former military guy |
| 15:26 |
hegemoOn |
for almostnithung |
| 15:26 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: yeah, if individuals had direct control of their wealth, accounting would get quite complex |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
hegemoOn but you understand there's something fundamental about the occupation that makes them servants to the club, right ? |
| 15:26 |
asciilifeform |
sorta how medical practice 'could be simple' if pharmacy stocked just cyanide (wagner optional) |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
just like whores are only allowed to work "on their own" in those situations where there's not enough food to go around. |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
same tiems when the cattle's "turned loose" |
| 15:27 |
hegemoOn |
and use those instead of freelancer |
| 15:27 |
hegemoOn |
thhis is how they break the average cost of security operator |
| 15:27 |
hegemoOn |
and even getting money back as far as they were paying for a service to a company they owns |
| 15:28 |
hegemoOn |
exactly the same happened in computer land |
| 15:28 |
hegemoOn |
in the 90 most computer guy were freelancer |
| 15:28 |
hegemoOn |
and then bank/insurance create service company |
| 15:28 |
hegemoOn |
which sells them back legion of low cost computer guy |
| 15:29 |
hegemoOn |
breaking price by 5 or 10 |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
come to think about it, not a bad analogy. |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
muscle, eh / |
| 15:30 |
hegemoOn |
and the golden era of computer guy was gone |
| 15:30 |
hegemoOn |
here in france we compete with north african cheap profile |
| 15:30 |
asciilifeform |
in the 90 most computer guy were freelancer << not in usa... |
| 15:30 |
hegemoOn |
who tends to seduce more those service company |
| 15:31 |
decimation |
in the usa, 'freelance computer guys' are treated by the tax authorities as tax cheats |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation for good reason. |
| 15:31 |
decimation |
whereas real estate agents are not |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
they pose no threat, because their capital can always be confiscated. |
| 15:32 |
asciilifeform |
^ this fact became popularly known on account of the joe stack rampage |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i actually have a post scheduled (for like 6 months now) for day after tomorrow. |
| 15:33 |
asciilifeform |
l0l! |
| 15:33 |
hegemoOn |
i worked two years and half on transactionnal platform of Ingenico |
| 15:33 |
hegemoOn |
paiement services |
| 15:34 |
hegemoOn |
and i can really state that lowcost hiring leads to poor result |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
doh! |
| 15:34 |
asciilifeform |
'joe stack day' is 2/18, iirc, no ? |
| 15:35 |
hegemoOn |
while hiring better profile would cost a little more on human ressource budget |
| 15:35 |
hegemoOn |
but far less in production and exploitation |
| 15:35 |
fluffypony |
classic big-company-red-tape |
| 15:35 |
hegemoOn |
and communication towards customer which loose money |
| 15:36 |
hegemoOn |
exemple of failure : transaction processor which doesn't listen to commit acknowledgment of the sql database |
| 15:36 |
hegemoOn |
poor programming indeed |
| 15:36 |
hegemoOn |
so plateform considers transaction is archived on database |
| 15:36 |
hegemoOn |
when commit has failed |
| 15:37 |
hegemoOn |
imagine this situation during 9hours of transaction history of main reteller in uk ! |
| 15:37 |
hegemoOn |
>63 millions euros lost |
| 15:38 |
hegemoOn |
guess who worked to parse all the log and worked with bank to recoved the money from auth message during 3 weeks ? |
| 15:38 |
hegemoOn |
me ! |
| 15:39 |
hegemoOn |
120 peoples working on this platform and only 10% skilled enough to understand what they do |
| 15:39 |
asciilifeform |
hegemoOn: 'Seven dollars an hour, that's what Philip Johnson made / Driving a Wells Fargo truck, he handled millions every day / But you can't be much of a player on 56 bucks a day / Seven dollars an hour, that's what Philip Johnson made.' |
| 15:40 |
hegemoOn |
asciilifeform: im not saying that i should earn more from that :) |
| 15:40 |
hegemoOn |
im just saying that outsourcing/low cost profile lead to failure |
| 15:40 |
asciilifeform |
( http://articles.latimes.com/1997/aug/10/news/ls-21004 << from song about famous outlaw, as seen here ) |
| 15:40 |
assbot |
Shades of D.B. Cooper - Los Angeles Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFAG5R ) |
| 15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
hegemoOn if you feel like writing out the details, qntra is looking for more "fiat sucks" failure stories. |
| 15:41 |
hegemoOn |
mircea_popescu: facing harrasment from my former client ? :) |
| 15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 15:41 |
hegemoOn |
but in a more general level i can explain why it sucks |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
if you don't hurt the things you don't like, you're not really a man. |
| 15:42 |
hegemoOn |
on protocol level and transaction life |
| 15:42 |
hegemoOn |
and bitcoin will face the same trouble when going to retail world |
| 15:43 |
mircea_popescu |
gavincoin will, because gavincoin is fundamentally predicated on the broken proposition of adjusting to the world. |
| 15:43 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin will be fine. there will be carnage in its wake, but that in itself is a positive outcome. |
| 15:44 |
hegemoOn |
i agree about the natural selection process |
| 15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
to quote rms, "To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example." |
| 15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
except it's not about the fucktard museum that's the nsa, nor about the long dead us generally. |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
it's about plainest morals : please consider if your duty to yourself, as a free man worth two shits doesn't require you to publish all the shit you know. |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
why exactly is the state and its corporations allowed any protection ? worst thing to aid and abet. |
| 15:48 |
hegemoOn |
because money |
| 15:48 |
hegemoOn |
bunch of money |
| 15:48 |
asciilifeform |
!b 6 |
| 15:48 |
assbot |
Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1F7314E.txt ) |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. as fiat becomes worth less and less in actual money, that problem will slowly melt. |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
except, names are made early, not late. |
| 15:50 |
hegemoOn |
:) |
| 15:51 |
asciilifeform |
it's not about the fucktard museum that's the nsa << reminds me, one of these days i gotta pay a visit to... their museum |
| 15:51 |
asciilifeform |
knew about it for a decade, but somehow can't bring myself to set foot there |
| 15:54 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, get your shots uptodate first, its probably catching |
| 15:54 |
asciilifeform |
https://plus.google.com/105419788139557178964/about?hl=en&gl=us << mega-lol |
| 15:54 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AFDjEY ) |
| 15:55 |
asciilifeform |
'4.1 stars! best gassing, will come again' |
| 15:58 |
asciilifeform |
https://plus.google.com/116440706124488410279/about?hl=en&gl=us << only 3 stars |
| 15:58 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AFDT5x ) |
| 15:58 |
asciilifeform |
'The parking lots are very large and crowded. It is hard to find a spot, even working the night shift. I think Obama should invest in a parking garage. It is a bit creepy inside the buildings, too.' |
| 16:01 |
asciilifeform |
'If you're invited to the NSA, pay careful attention to the instructions given. If you do not, you will be a big delay to others. If you're not invited to the NSA, please do not go, unless you want to see the Cryptology museum, which is a fascinating place.' |
| 16:02 |
* |
asciilifeform had a colleague once who -did- go, by making wrong turn in traffic, and -did- end up 'a big delay to others' as he was frog-marched into a guardpost and searched |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100263 @ 0.00039975 = 40.0801 BTC [+] |
| 16:08 |
chetty |
nothing all that creepy about it, except maybe a certain lack of windows :P |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: there is a specific, highly-ritualized architectural style: |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806471 |
| 16:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 23-08-2014 17:21:36; asciilifeform: (what style? gigantic plate-glass window walls that never let through office light - they're painted black on the inside; the seemingly-mandatory wrought-iron fence, with steel cable trusses - nominally against terrorist trucks (TM); archaically-massive satellite antennae; a few other features broadly known to anyone who looks with any regularity.) |
| 16:21 |
oglafbot |
http://oglaf.com/yoke/ |
| 16:21 |
assbot |
The Yoke ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFIh4l ) |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
oglafbot is best bot |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
cuntbot: http://40.media.tumblr.com/73f15bcf2c808c89ef0fa4abe79da911/tumblr_namf6auIhZ1r6y441o1_1280.jpg |
| 16:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AFJsRo ) |
| 16:29 |
asciilifeform |
^ lol! |
| 16:29 |
BingoBoingo |
http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/02/15/1959209/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system |
| 16:29 |
assbot |
Removing Libsystemd0 From a Live-running Debian System - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1IySr ) |
| 16:32 |
asciilifeform |
(linked) http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/01/14/2030259/systemd-gains-new-networking-features << lol, somehow missed this |
| 16:32 |
assbot |
SystemD Gains New Networking Features - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1J1np ) |
| 16:32 |
asciilifeform |
^ pries open fw ports |
| 16:34 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, folks recommending freebsd as an escape should remember that it's been colonized: gcc is no longer installed by default there, nor are system bins built with it |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
^ and this is relatively old news, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwMjI |
| 16:35 |
assbot |
FreeBSD 10 To Use Clang Compiler, Deprecate GCC - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1JDcW ) |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
while we're at it, |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RMS-Emacs-Gud-LLVM |
| 16:36 |
assbot |
RMS Feels There's "A Systematic Effort To Attack GNU Packages" - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1JIxb ) |
| 16:36 |
asciilifeform |
'Other Emacs stakeholders responded with confusion how this could be "a systematic effort to attack GNU packages" and also raised points on how Emacs has support for Microsoft Windows and OS X but wouldn't consider a basic patch for enabling the LLDB debugger to be used. Stallman followed up to say, "These are not similar cases. Neither Windows nor MacOS was intended to push major GNU packages out of use. What I see here appea |
| 16:36 |
asciilifeform |
rs possibly to be exactly that. Whether that is the case is what I want to find out."' |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
and, lastly, |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Boot-Guard-Kills-Coreboot |
| 16:38 |
assbot |
Why You Don't See Coreboot Supported By Many Modern Intel Systems - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFLNM4 ) |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
^ the 'won't boot anything not signed by key in antifuse rom' thing - finally arrived. |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
to x86 pc. |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
(sop on game consoles for decade+) |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
(those who believe that it does not matter what is in the bios so long as you can boot your favourite unix, are mistaken. not only can bios diddle your drives pre-boot, but it isn't even necessary - routines like smm handler run continuously, outside of os) |
| 16:41 |
asciilifeform |
^ basic kindergarten facts, at this point, i will not bother to expound on them here |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
'but Richard is seemingly frightened about the compiler competition from LLVM that is out under a permissive free software license.' << fud artist lies through his teeth. rms is not 'frightened of competition under permissive licenses', but is pointing out that organized attack by shitgnomes flying (as always) flags of convenience, is under way. |
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| 16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the bullshit bios problem is actually quite serious |
| 16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
for now we can still run old boards. but that won't last forever. |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: so far problem only exists in winblows/apple world, but it creeps onward - microshit in particular requires it as a condition of doing business with manufacturer |
| 16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
yup |
| 17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
course, the measure will backfire, |
| 17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
as in, i'll run only stuff signed by... me. |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
optimistic. |
| 17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
in a sense, so far they're really cutting out our rouad for us. |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
'i don't care if they're stoking up the ovens, they'll go in' |
| 17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
well no, the idea is, most of the state effort consists of effort that really helps the republic. |
| 17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
hijack all the ships. |
| 17:01 |
asciilifeform |
wake me up when a serious usg key leaks. |
| 17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
why would a key have to leak ? |
| 17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
just use your own antifuse. |
| 17:02 |
asciilifeform |
own antifuse ?! |
| 17:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.design-reuse.com/news_img/20031024_actel4.gif << antifuse |
| 17:03 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1L1P5w8 ) |
| 17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/30db452b7a40c2ae6fe3ce321f95d89d/tumblr_na11k1mBSA1tv6w3wo1_1280.jpg |
| 17:03 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1L1P8s3 ) |
| 17:03 |
asciilifeform |
aka otp rom |
| 17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so ? |
| 17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
it can be made, right ? |
| 17:03 |
asciilifeform |
point being that millions of boxes are permanent thralls to usg until key gets out. |
| 17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
| 17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
the point is not saving some vague and uninteresting group. |
| 17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
let them save themselves. |
| 17:04 |
asciilifeform |
interestingly, intel and microshit have been salivating for a decaee+ over the concept of a cpu that runs not merely mandatorily-signed but encrypted code (to internal key) |
| 17:05 |
asciilifeform |
but for practical reasons this has not yet been achieved |
| 17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck, ten billion boxes are pretty much permanent thralls to the first taker on the grounds that there's more holes than fixes. |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: see the problem from the perspective in which it actually -is- a problem: not that a billion people own computer that is not a computer (nowhere is it written that we have to care about this) but in the elementary lack of a practical alternative. |
| 17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so far. |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
as in, there is not a 'free world' si fab. |
| 17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda what i said : gotta see to this eventually. |
| 17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
"I'm an 18 year old currently in my first semester of college at UNM (Studying medicine). All my life I've been a very good girl, pro-feminist all my life, I was in the girl scouts growing up, I got straight As, I don't drink or go out to parties. I found your tumblr the other week and at first I was offended, I don't see how any woman would subject herself to such treatment. I've visited your page multiple times since |
| 17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
then and I'm curious how you would go about breaking me out of my shell?" |
| 17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
lawl. |
| 17:08 |
midnightmagic |
it's a trap, get an ax |
| 17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. |
| 17:08 |
hanbot |
please tell me the response is "i'd put on my robe and wizard hat" |
| 17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i mostly quoted it for the sudden turn towards "breaking out of shells" |
| 17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder if the chick's clever enough to have done this deliberately. |
| 17:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00076456 = 3.8228 BTC [+] {15} |
| 17:18 |
thestringpuller |
so it's taken me 3 days to get 0.5.3.1 up to 190k blocks... |
| 17:18 |
thestringpuller |
why again should I be convinced this computer will be "okay" running larger blocks when it can barely keep up as is... |
| 17:18 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: the idiot crashy one ('classic', with memleak) or the one with questionable patch ('orphanage burner') ? |
| 17:18 |
thestringpuller |
classic with memleak |
| 17:18 |
thestringpuller |
i keep having to kill and restart |
| 17:18 |
thestringpuller |
but its at least working |
| 17:19 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: also remember that the 'magic' of gavincoin was that it will work on existing hw, so long as 'everybody agrees' to throw away blockchain history and surrender |
| 17:19 |
thestringpuller |
you told me not to patch in orphanage burner yet. |
| 17:19 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: that's correct |
| 17:19 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: in general, i'm opposed to patching in gavinisms of any description |
| 17:20 |
thestringpuller |
oh and block propagation is going to be "0" with bloom filters or something |
| 17:20 |
asciilifeform |
especially ones i fished out of the sewers in a hurry, for purposes of experiment. |
| 17:20 |
thestringpuller |
^- you make yourself sound like Dr. Frankenstein sometimes. |
| 17:20 |
asciilifeform |
it's a 'frankensteinian' project by nature, whatcanido. |
| 17:20 |
thestringpuller |
I wonder what discoveries you've made we don't know about <.<;; |
| 17:21 |
thestringpuller |
the splitting image of Dr. Moreau! :D |
| 17:22 |
asciilifeform |
less said about these, better sleep at night, l0l |
| 17:22 |
thestringpuller |
moar frankensteinian would be ripping out Boost completely, not that that is feasible (but neither was reanimating the dead) |
| 17:22 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: if you're gonna go to that level of mutilation, may as well abandon the pedigreed-descent-from-0.5.3 thing and go for rewrite |
| 17:23 |
thestringpuller |
i kno rite? funny how these kidz praise satoshi's "code know-how" yet all these things... |
| 17:23 |
asciilifeform |
you can't really pull out 'boost' and retain the naked-eye-plus-patch-util sense of 'this is visibly bitcoind pre-$10-per but with minor changes' thing |
| 17:23 |
thestringpuller |
we should just rewrite it in assembly. |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
'we' |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
by popular demand (everybody who's ragging on 'boost') a musical interlude: |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> thestringpuller: also remember that the 'magic' of gavincoin was that it will work on existing hw, so long as 'everybody agrees' to throw away blockchain history and surrender << this, especially. |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
serious work in cpp is quite impossible without something functionally much like 'boost'. |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
was -never- possible |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"make bitcoin accessible to everyone by saying it's really a bottle of tide, and letting procter and gamble manufacture it" |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
for so long as that abortion of a language existed. |
| 17:25 |
asciilifeform |
talk to a game dev who was active in the '90s |
| 17:25 |
thestringpuller |
^- Oh yea |
| 17:25 |
asciilifeform |
he'll show you, perhaps, his outfit's homegrown warty version of 'boost' |
| 17:25 |
thestringpuller |
^- Oh yea x2 |
| 17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
| 17:25 |
asciilifeform |
my brother, for example, had one |
| 17:25 |
thestringpuller |
Look at HL Goldsrc as prime example. |
| 17:25 |
asciilifeform |
(was game dev in that period) |
| 17:26 |
thestringpuller |
or even UDK from that era |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
some were cleaned up and 'productized' |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
cannot speak for the quality, but the demand - was there |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
is still there. |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
the language 'naked' is entirely unusable |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
for anything but trivial 'homework' |
| 17:26 |
thestringpuller |
this is why Naughty Dog builds the object layer in LISP |
| 17:27 |
thestringpuller |
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispInJakAndDaxter << for reference |
| 17:27 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=849 |
| 17:27 |
assbot |
Loper OS » The curious incident of the Lisp in the night-time ... ( http://bit.ly/1De9XPN ) |
| 17:28 |
asciilifeform |
also note that that outfit, like many others (yes, it isn't in 'nyt', but still existed) wrote a miniature 'college' lisp-flavoured scripting language inside their normal runtime |
| 17:29 |
asciilifeform |
which is entirely not the same thing as a product developed and shipped in a standardized, adult common lisp system (what naggum earned his bread with) |
| 17:29 |
asciilifeform |
yet for some odd reason these activities are lumped in together |
| 17:29 |
asciilifeform |
i, for one, didn't fully grasp the difference until i heard that charlatan (baggett) speak |
| 17:29 |
thestringpuller |
i see. i just found it amusing game developers would rather not write C++ at all |
| 17:29 |
asciilifeform |
junkyard dogs, the lot of them, who found something valuable and stole a piece |
| 17:30 |
thestringpuller |
the PS2's C++ interface was...not fun... |
| 17:30 |
asciilifeform |
like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling' |
| 17:30 |
asciilifeform |
you can see the results in museum |
| 17:30 |
thestringpuller |
sound similar to using microscope as hammer |
| 17:30 |
thestringpuller |
maybe different side of coin |
| 17:31 |
asciilifeform |
nice heavy electron microscope |
| 17:31 |
asciilifeform |
makes great drop-hammer |
| 17:31 |
thestringpuller |
"this ruins the microscope" |
| 17:31 |
asciilifeform |
more valuable than any particular microscope, even the rarest, is the -idea- of a microscope |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
it takes more than one 'blacksmith' and his 'hammers' to ruin that, but eventually - yes, ruined. |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
but to go back to the basic point of the musical interlude, |
| 17:33 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: this article is gold. Dave Baggett elaborated more in the comments. |
| 17:33 |
asciilifeform |
1) the idea of tearing out 'boost' while retaining the 'satoshi cleanup' concept of therealbitcoin project - is a total impossibility |
| 17:34 |
asciilifeform |
2) tearing out 'boost' while keeping the project in cpp will turn it into an unreadable morass of crud that makes the existing turd look like the finest sausage |
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| 17:35 |
asciilifeform |
(how? let's start with those iterations, every single one of which will suddenly need a nonsense variable; all the things that will have to be declared for the occasion, that presently are genericized; etc) |
| 17:36 |
thestringpuller |
like a dyslexic spider weaving a web. |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: background for that article: herr baggett came to my town once, and gave a public talk where he pitched a militantly idiotic 'startup' (nothing whatsoever to do with games, a weird proprietary, closed-source email client with 'new, exciting, unprecedented' spam filter that is a poor clone of 1990s state of the art) |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
i was utterly floored by the sheer imbecility |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
and apparent sincerity |
| 17:38 |
asciilifeform |
there were two logical scenarios that formed in my head, 1) he did the things he was credited for, and somebody then came and scooped out his brain 2) he didn't, took credit after someone else did, was the kind of fellow selected for this next stage of meritwash |
| 17:39 |
asciilifeform |
i must point out that i have no idea whether 1 or 2 |
| 17:39 |
asciilifeform |
but was unable to come up with any plausible 3 whatsoever. |
| 17:39 |
thestringpuller |
game developers are kind of like rappers, after a certain age their "hip-ness" runs out. |
| 17:39 |
thestringpuller |
see Coolio |
| 17:40 |
asciilifeform |
no idea if this has anything to do with age, or the fact that games industry died. |
| 17:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36263 @ 0.00040405 = 14.6521 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:41 |
thestringpuller |
the indie developers killed it |
| 17:42 |
asciilifeform |
which 'indie developers' |
| 17:42 |
asciilifeform |
the ones sharecropping under apple? |
| 17:42 |
asciilifeform |
or valve? |
| 17:42 |
thestringpuller |
At least Phil Fish isn't being merit washed. |
| 17:42 |
thestringpuller |
The latter. |
| 17:42 |
thestringpuller |
indie dev's line up to suck Gabe's cock even if he can't see it. |
| 17:43 |
asciilifeform |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg << punkman found this a while ago |
| 17:43 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DedgXe ) |
| 17:43 |
thestringpuller |
also notice how carmack is slave to Zuckerberg now. |
| 17:43 |
asciilifeform |
^ how apple meritwash works |
| 17:43 |
thestringpuller |
that's some clockwork orange shit right there |
| 17:45 |
asciilifeform |
that, if it isn't obvious, is a 'review farm.' |
| 17:46 |
asciilifeform |
and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span |
| 17:47 |
thestringpuller |
this is why freemium games are the work of the canadian devil |
| 17:47 |
asciilifeform |
where the practical distinction between a satisfied user and a spammer who wrote a review in exchange for a bowl of rice and a day's pass from the sex slave farm, is purely academic |
| 17:48 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: ah and this is probably why the whole GamerGate thing occurred last August. |
| 17:48 |
* |
asciilifeform confesses that he could not be bothered to unravel the how-and-why behind that particular wankage |
| 17:48 |
asciilifeform |
it was utterly incomprehensible to the uninitiated. |
| 17:49 |
thestringpuller |
the uproar is what is interesting. uproar over people who don't matter. |
| 17:51 |
punkman |
^ my thoughts: "who the fuck are these people and why is anyone writing about their sex life" |
| 17:52 |
thestringpuller |
punkman: exactly! |
| 17:52 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 17:56 |
asciilifeform |
in other news, |
| 17:57 |
asciilifeform |
'gnat' appears to be entirely unbuildable on gentoo |
| 17:57 |
asciilifeform |
having succumbed to shitgnomism years ago. |
| 17:59 |
asciilifeform |
(and before anyone asks, no, it is not a simple matter to build it from source like any other thing. needs an existing gcc configured to play ball in order to bootstrap itself) |
| 18:05 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: do you have any machines running coreboot? |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: as a matter of fact, i do |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: but none of them feature 'consumer pc' hardware |
| 18:05 |
punkman |
I grabbed a couple of T60s to give it a go |
| 18:06 |
asciilifeform |
wintel answered the threat posed by 'coreboot' et al by stuffing shitgnomism straight into the silicon (southbridge, and soon cpu proper) |
| 18:07 |
jurov |
http://packages.gentoo.org/package/dev-lang/gnat-gpl << this? |
| 18:07 |
assbot |
Gentoo Packages /package/dev-lang/gnat-gpl ... ( http://bit.ly/179pd2B ) |
| 18:07 |
asciilifeform |
sanity is a losing battle on x86. |
| 18:07 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: it |
| 18:07 |
asciilifeform |
or actually, no |
| 18:07 |
asciilifeform |
gnat-gcc |
| 18:15 |
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| 18:15 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: what's more, it dies without any kind of informative message at all. |
| 18:15 |
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| 18:15 |
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| 18:21 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gnat.txt (too big for pastebin) |
| 18:21 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/179quXs ) |
| 18:21 |
asciilifeform |
'make[5]: *** [unwind-dw2.o] Error 1' seems to be the boojum |
| 18:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00039975 = 18.5884 BTC [-] |
| 18:29 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? |
| |
↖ |
| 18:30 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: what'd be the point of this exercise ? |
| 18:30 |
thestringpuller |
so qntra can report on the derpage? |
| 18:30 |
asciilifeform |
re: gentoo: is it just me or did most of the ports mirrors die in the past 2 or so weeks ? |
| 18:30 |
asciilifeform |
as in, gone ? |
| 18:30 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: it is unlikely that anyone would wish to pay what this costs. |
| 18:31 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: try one of the un/under-employed folks around here |
| 18:34 |
asciilifeform |
https://cryptoconsortium.org/certifications/CBP << mega-lol |
| 18:34 |
assbot |
Certified Bitcoin Professional (CBP) | CryptoCurrency Certification Consortium (C4) ... ( http://bit.ly/179rCu2 ) |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 18:50 |
jurov |
thestringpuller why alf specifically? |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 18:53 |
jurov |
and how much? |
| 18:54 |
thestringpuller |
cause he is guaranteed to pass it. i guess others too. but he was the first that came to mind. |
| 18:55 |
jurov |
lol. as if one cannot fail and write about it? |
| 18:55 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller was probably thinking of their other exam, re: internals of bitcoind, but iirc it is only available to the select few |
| 18:56 |
thestringpuller |
my biggest hesitation is the coin goes directly into the waterfall i.e. hands of enemy |
| 18:56 |
thestringpuller |
(Buterin is one of directos of C4) |
| 18:57 |
jurov |
internals of bitcoind? like, the whip out the cane, point to line test? |
| 18:57 |
jurov |
doubt even satoshi himself would pass |
| 19:01 |
jurov |
"Duration: 2 years" (from the CBP link) how do i parse this? |
| 19:01 |
jurov |
that's enough for master's degree :) |
| 19:03 |
jurov |
aaaahh i saw "renewal fee" and it clicked.. apparently they plan to make bitcoin obsolete after 2 years? |
| 19:04 |
jurov |
i think i can take it, if paid. hence, how much? |
| 19:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119394 @ 0.0004044 = 48.2829 BTC [+] |
| 19:11 |
jurov |
linux-unwind.h:138: error: field 'info' has incomplete type << asciilifeform haven't you missed this? (from gnat.txt) |
| 19:11 |
jurov |
going off, laters! |
| 19:12 |
thestringpuller |
jurov: .2xxx btc I'll pay it...for freedom of press and stuff. |
| 19:12 |
thestringpuller |
cazalla: I guess we should discuss potential article from findings if this goes through. |
| 19:13 |
cazalla |
thestringpuller, i just sat down then so need to catch up on logs etc |
| 19:14 |
cazalla |
smashed my iphone in a burst of anger so.. no more apple products here (ipad already went out the window) |
| 19:15 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: eagle eyes, ty |
| 19:15 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: http://forge.ispras.ru/issues/4295 << interestingly, ancient issue, afaik never fixed. |
| 19:15 |
assbot |
Bug #4295: Issue between aspectator and new glibc at different architectures - C Instrumentation Framework - Open-Source Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1EeRsYG ) |
| 19:15 |
cazalla |
an utter absolute shit morning, sometimes it would be nice to be a shut in hermit with nobody with 10km |
| 19:16 |
asciilifeform |
cazalla: for our edification, care to describe the burst of anger ? |
| 19:18 |
cazalla |
asciilifeform, the why doesn't really matter.. lesson here is not to have 2fa on device you often have with you if prone to smashing things |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher' |
| 19:19 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc |
| 19:21 |
cazalla |
asciilifeform, the sound of breaking glass is actually quite soothing |
| 19:28 |
* |
danielpbarron yells at his iphone on a daily basis |
| 19:29 |
danielpbarron |
will be the last "smart" phone i ever buy (also happens to have been the first) |
| 19:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00040674 = 23.2249 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 19:53 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> i carried it. << btcauditor when |
| 19:58 |
asciilifeform |
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536124 |
| 19:58 |
assbot |
Bug 536124 – dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.4.7 - In file included from .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/unwind-dw2.c:333: .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/config/i386/linux-unwind.h:138: error: field ‘info’ has incomplete type ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsPiHj ) |
| 19:58 |
asciilifeform |
^ yes, apparently documented bug |
| 19:58 |
asciilifeform |
^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing |
| 19:59 |
asciilifeform |
that will one day be cut down, at around two metre's height, and sharpened. |
| 19:59 |
asciilifeform |
(the stump, that is) |
| 19:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42609 @ 0.00040978 = 17.4603 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
ever time you sit down and submit a patch to something-or-other, knowing that it might silently break proggys used by actual people, |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
think about that tree. |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
and the arse it was born to slide into. |
| 20:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16741 @ 0.00041322 = 6.9177 BTC [+] |
| 20:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00041322 = 8.1818 BTC [+] |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> i carried it. << btcauditor when << i guess once Pierre_Rochard gets bored of new york ? |
| 20:05 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> ^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing << Why pine? |
| 20:05 |
BingoBoingo |
!up PeterL |
| 20:06 |
PeterL |
hi BingoBoingo |
| 20:06 |
BingoBoingo |
hi |
| 20:06 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: birch works too |
| 20:06 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: need the right thickness. |
| 20:06 |
asciilifeform |
not many birches in gringolandia though |
| 20:06 |
thestringpuller |
PeterL: is scoopbot okay? |
| 20:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Birches out here. My concern though was perhaps a tree with decent Urushiol content like cashew. |
| 20:07 |
PeterL |
doesn't look like it |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/0e66631d7cd8abd3ec022597794b13e5/tumblr_mkwp7sBFdK1s9tujho1_1280.jpg |
| 20:07 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AsQMRT ) |
| 20:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: that just looks like an ordinary day at the dentist's. |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
mhm |
| 20:08 |
thestringpuller |
Dentist puts cock in your mouth? |
| 20:08 |
PeterL |
thestringpuller: It seems to be misbehaving since I added your blog? |
| 20:08 |
thestringpuller |
its cause I use tumblr :( |
| 20:08 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: no cock in the photo |
| 20:08 |
thestringpuller |
cock will be inserted at some point, that is the purpose of device no? |
| 20:09 |
thestringpuller |
to keep mouth open despite insertion of cock |
| 20:09 |
asciilifeform |
or drill |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling' << once upon a time, thinking this is particularly romanian, wrote a romanian article about it |
| 20:09 |
thestringpuller |
~_~ |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
then i learned better. |
| 20:09 |
asciilifeform |
srsly, i'm pretty sure i've had that very gag in |
| 20:09 |
asciilifeform |
at the dentistinquisitioner's |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform dja feel dirty yet ? :D |
| 20:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00041322 = 15.5371 BTC [+] |
| 20:09 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller: the indie developers killed it << no, they didn't. what killed it was the complete inability of the new generation to do any sort of useful work WHATSOEVER |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
even for their own amusement. |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
people born in the 50s played rogue for fun |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
people born in the 70s can scarcely cluck at the ipad screen without some sort of "CONGRATULATIONS!!1" |
| 20:12 |
asciilifeform |
wai, where |
| 20:12 |
asciilifeform |
80s - rogue |
| 20:12 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: what's the difference? |
| 20:12 |
asciilifeform |
90s - scarcely clutch |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
* numbers might not be exact |
| 20:13 |
asciilifeform |
70s - 'advent' |
| 20:13 |
asciilifeform |
60s - solved gnarly integrals for phun |
| 20:13 |
thestringpuller |
at least the 60s had better access to drugs? |
| 20:13 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller so usa-centric |
| 20:14 |
thestringpuller |
born 'an raised |
| 20:15 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform mircea_popescu people still play nethack for fun :P |
| 20:16 |
asciilifeform |
'nethack' and other 'roguelikes' (anyone recall 'angband' ?) are sorta timeless |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif |
| 20:16 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD ) |
| 20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
^ marriage. |
| 20:17 |
asciilifeform |
wat |
| 20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span << has nothing to do with the product, everything to do with the society. |
| 20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
in a world made out of equal idiots who don't have gpg sigs, THAT is the only possible human activity. |
| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
^ the activity shown in the chinese photo, in particular, yes. |
| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
aka meatpuppetry. |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
yea |
| 20:19 |
thestringpuller |
there will always be mechanical turks |
| 20:19 |
asciilifeform |
though, strictly speaking there are two activities (the other being that of the meatpuppeteer, of course) |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
only for as long as the concept that "people can have ideas" and "tim swhatever knows hopw normal debates work" |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it is not as different as it seams. |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference between a goat and a goat herder is certainly not apparent to any passing lady of society. |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
in as much as he too would rather be elsewhere - aye |
| 20:20 |
BingoBoingo |
https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= |
| 20:20 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Average Block Size ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsSJ0B ) |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
no. inasmuch as *elsewhere* can tell. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlcllvbtU1rk1wwgo1_1280.jpg |
| 20:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTnvg ) |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller: so qntra can report on the derpage? << reporting on the idiocy is doing it more service than it deserves in any perspective. |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
simple strategic thinking : first, let them put some skin in the game, by for instance creating a "Bitcoin Consultancy" |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
then, let them go into business, by for instance signing a contract to "save" Bitcoinica |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman. |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
this is how you deal with aspirational muppets, not by reporting on their idiocy. |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: doubt even satoshi himself would pass << why do you think he pulled a runner. |
| 20:26 |
PeterL |
a fool who keeps his mouth shut is counted wise |
| 20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller> my biggest hesitation is the << your hesitation is correct. at this stage qntra wouldn't report on that shit even if *they* paid. |
| 20:28 |
mats |
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html |
| 20:28 |
assbot |
ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTWVT ) |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
mats: you just met this ?!! |
| 20:28 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman. << MagicalTux falls in this category. I don't think any of the DERP lists have management with WoT identities. |
| 20:29 |
thestringpuller |
(F.DERP listings that is) |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher' << keyboards tho. |
| 20:29 |
mats |
asciilifeform: yes :( |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
thompson's self-diddling compiler is mentioned in the logs on a ~5 month period |
| 20:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00040421 = 15.6833 BTC [-] |
| 20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/465104f1ba6c1647997207a2001cc153/tumblr_mxrij9HZZg1ra163eo5_r1_250.gif << the new systemlinux |
| 20:41 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AsVOOa ) |
| 20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
!up tardstalker |
| 20:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Rectum? Nearly kill e dum http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954500/American-youth-seriously-gored-bull-Spain.html |
| 20:47 |
assbot |
American Benjamin Miller gored by bull at Ciudad Rodrigo's Carnaval del Toro in Spain yesterday | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsWOSu ) |
| 20:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0003992 = 12.1956 BTC [-] {3} |
| 20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/13/weisenberger-indicted-simple-assault/23349985/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= |
| 20:53 |
assbot |
Madison Co. judge accused of racial abuse indicted ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsXI1r ) |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
'The attorney for Charles Plumpp said Weisenberger arrested and jailed her client, who is African American, on the nonexistence charge of "roaming livestock."' |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
^ l0l! |
| 20:56 |
BingoBoingo |
It's like one of those Russian skits on Usian racial policies in the 1950's |
| 20:56 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: or a judge that 'needed to have problems' for some reason unknown to us |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
by wishing really hard ? |
| 20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Most country governments tend to let the judges go a bit feral |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
when it sums to harmless. |
| 20:58 |
punkman |
roaming livestock is no joke |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
put the bull back in his yoke |
| 20:59 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2015/02/bter-com-alleges-theft-of-7170-btc/ |
| 20:59 |
assbot |
Bter.com Alleges Theft Of 7170 BTC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsYATz ) |
| 21:00 |
punkman |
(spotted local news the other day about idiot that let his sheep wander all over some town, they rounded them up, will charge him 50eu per head to get them back. or to the butcher's if he doesn't claim them in 2 weeks) |
| 21:00 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: 50eu per head << what are they worth, approximately ? |
| 21:01 |
punkman |
more than that |
| 21:01 |
asciilifeform |
presumably |
| 21:01 |
asciilifeform |
but how much |
| 21:01 |
punkman |
I suppose you can get a decent sheep for 150-200 |
| 21:03 |
asciilifeform |
qntra article << wai wat, there are/were actual companies registered in virgin islands? not merely mail boxes for sp4mz0rz ? |
| 21:03 |
punkman |
wrong, actually more like 110-120 for 1 year old sheep in local classifieds |
| 21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Muhammad_Sex_Simulator_2015 |
| 21:04 |
assbot |
Muhammad Sex Simulator 2015 - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsZmjE ) |
| 21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges << good point this. |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla lmao they had 7k btc like roger ver has what to pay the gas bill with. |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
his gas bill will be complimentary of usg |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
or if kitchen gas - then yes |
| 21:09 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.bnd.com/2015/02/13/3661065/judge-rejects-600-pound-mans-request.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop << Javascript off to circumvent paywall |
| 21:09 |
assbot |
Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0hAB ) |
| 21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao js paywall. |
| 21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the layers of idiocy srsly. |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i expected the 'request' to be for hanging rather than electric chair, or the like |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
(when else does fat of the prisoner play a part) |
| 21:11 |
BingoBoingo |
tits for the one's who've been in there a while to play with? |
| 21:11 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated, gnat-gcc-4.6.4 does in fact build. |
| 21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2012/ossessione/ << if anyone's looking for a good 40s film. |
| 21:12 |
assbot |
Ossessione pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0JyK ) |
| 21:14 |
BingoBoingo |
other news on the Illinois collapse http://thesouthern.com/ap/state/state-owes-some-illinois-state-police-troopers-each/article_bc848ee1-a58e-5071-85bf-4ed487f19f68.html |
| 21:14 |
assbot |
State owes some Illinois State Police troopers $10,000 each : State ... ( http://bit.ly/1At118U ) |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-8452.ZD1.html << apparently consensus has been poorly understood by the supreme court no less, as early as 2002. |
| 21:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1zhlmbf ) |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"if we like it it |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
's consensus!" |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"The Court pays lipservice to these precedents as it miraculously extracts a national consensus forbidding execution of the mentally retarded, ante, at 12, from the fact that 18 Statesless than half (47%) of the 38 States that permit capital punishment (for whom the issue exists)have very recently enacted legislation barring execution of the mentally retarded. Even that 47% figure is a distorted one. If one |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
is to say, as the Court does today, that all executions of the mentally retarded are so morally repugnant as to violate our national standards of decency, surely the consensus it points to must be one that has set its righteous face against all such executions. Not 18 States, but only seven18% of death penalty jurisdictionshave legislation of that scope." |
| 21:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24809 @ 0.00041073 = 10.1898 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the libertard is a particularly insidious totalitarian, in that he doesn't even admit his outright enmity to liberalism. |
| 21:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60781 @ 0.00041505 = 25.2272 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00042132 = 16.8317 BTC [+] |
| 21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2uek9v/famous_bitcoin_shill_andreas_anontopolous_will/co7x5om <<< this is possibly the lulziest thing i saw all day. |
| 21:34 |
assbot |
dgerard comments on Famous Bitcoin shill Andreas Anontopolous will attempt to convince the DPR jury into buying bitcoins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At49S3 ) |
| 21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
so : the powerless have decided that the way to attack me is through... google bombing. |
| 21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
but since they do not wish to o may gawd promote my stuff with their impotent brownian motion, they use some sort of google juice filter (no idea if it works). |
| 21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
think about that for a minute : google bombing through a google separator. |
| 21:35 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: that 'intel boot guard' is scary |
| 21:35 |
ben_vulpes |
<thestringpuller> asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? << wait, CBP is a Buterin project? |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google don't go chasing butterfalls |
| 21:36 |
gribble |
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| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4 |
| 21:36 |
assbot |
TLC - Waterfalls - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1At4qVg ) |
| 21:37 |
cazalla |
lol trilema is do not link on buttcoin? |
| 21:37 |
cazalla |
i guess that is no unexpected from a bunch of idiots who ban me from commenting in their subreddit but upvote qntra anyway |
| 21:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Well reddit is all nofollow links anyways |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think google actually honors those. |
| 21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
it mines them for info, yes, but it doesn't actually give the users any power. |
| 21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Prolly depends who is implementing it. |
| 21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
would be contrary to what they do generally, anyway. |
| 21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Google does't act generally anymore though |
| 21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
That's why it is so broken |
| 21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
https://freereiser.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/whoops/ << this IS pretty lulzy |
| 21:41 |
assbot |
Whoops | Hans Reiser Is Innocent ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhmXhg ) |
| 21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
then again, i don't see any of the "Global Warming ? opps!" "QE ? oops!" etc posts from the libertards, so i guess a slightly cleaner toad is still the prettier princess. |
| 21:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Hearn foundation client update: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colk0t9 |
| 21:47 |
assbot |
LifeIsSoSweet comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At6koP ) |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
"Cantidad dormitorios: 2 / Cantidad baños: 3" |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose this is Departamentos Diarrhea then ? |
| 21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
no shits left behind! |
| 21:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Nah, It's American style. Bathrooms are the new show of affluence |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ? |
| 21:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Indeed, that would make each bathroom more expensive. |
| 21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
s/"what could one possibily need THAT for"/"what is oral sex???"/ |
| 21:54 |
BingoBoingo |
The goal in contemporary American home architecture as espoused by HGTV is concealing from visitors the set of bathrooms used for actual bathroom functions |
| 21:59 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: it's now common in modern us 'tract' homes that the build has no air vent in the kitchen |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
These are a people for whom hiring professional cleaners even annually is considered a luxury expense. |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
what. |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
so the 3rd is actually for guests ?! |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ? |
| 22:00 |
decimation |
the 'replacement' is a recirculating fan with a 'filter' that doesn't work at all |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
because no one may be a maid so nobody ever cleans a bahtroom so htey're filthy ? why ? |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation but you can just open the window neh ? |
| 22:00 |
decimation |
sure, when it's -10C |
| 22:00 |
* |
mircea_popescu never liked kitchen air vents. they generally favour infestations. |
| 22:01 |
decimation |
the reason they lack them is apparently because the builders could be liable for the kitchen fires that happen when nobody cleans out the air vent pipe |
| 22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
uh. |
| 22:02 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ? << That and lingering urine smells, because "Clean when I moved in" is good enough to not justify cleaning ever again for the more degenerate Pindos |
| 22:04 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: I find it lulzy when I encounter stovetop vents that pump air into the freezer |
| 22:04 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: eh? |
| 22:05 |
ben_vulpes |
my stovetop vent vents into the apartment. |
| 22:05 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: a few places I've seen the kitchen stovetop vent fan pipes air in the the neighboring fridge's freezer compartment because... Who fucking knows anymore |
| 22:06 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ? << why's the shower so inadequate? |
| 22:06 |
BingoBoingo |
https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/2/2d/L4nlogo.png |
| 22:06 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1At9bxY ) |
| 22:06 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: sounds like they were 'supposed' to install an outdoor vent, and ended up installing nothing |
| 22:08 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Nah when you open the freezer while using the stove at a friend's place you get a definite fog of steaming out of the freezer. The only justification I can thing of is the hope freezing smells sequesters them? |
| 22:08 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ? << any reason to not run with -xeu? |
| 22:09 |
decimation |
the real estate chumpatron in the us is finely tuned to prevent any actual person from being involv[\ |
| 22:09 |
decimation |
ed with |
| 22:09 |
decimation |
supervising the design and construction |
| 22:09 |
BingoBoingo |
AH, here's the thing the inspired feminine linux https://gitorious.org/c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality/source/cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33: |
| 22:09 |
assbot |
./ in c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality (cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33) - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhp2d9 ) |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes << it's not, provided it specifically ISNT an usian shower |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
but instead the civilised model with 3 meter's worth of flexible chord. |
| 22:10 |
decimation |
those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion' |
| 22:11 |
|
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| 22:11 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion' << Plenty of them in Nursing homes and higher end hotels (i.e. the ones foreigners can afford) |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
so how exactly is a woman supposed to wash standing while being rained upon ? |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
bleach her snatch ? |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a hint : female genital washing mostly involved dilution not soap. |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it's self-soaping, the vagina. |
| 22:17 |
ben_vulpes |
i've always been amused by the "bend over and get it wet" approach, but i'm a total noob. |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
if you think about it for a second, you realise what a fucking scandal this is. |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"bend over and get it wet with stuff that washes off your arsehole" |
| 22:19 |
decimation |
I like the 'shower with a hose' because it makes it simple to rinse off the shower after cleaning |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
every usanistan obgyn that is not insane treats sporadic uti in healthy females the same way : "get a proper shower woman!" |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the rest prescribe windex or w/e the fuck. |
| 22:20 |
decimation |
or they hand out antibiotics |
| 22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation i suspect you lived (as in, with women) long enough to know exactly what antibiotics do to their bits ? |
| 22:21 |
ben_vulpes |
i am not accustomed to being responsible for female cleanliness! |
| 22:22 |
danielpbarron |
there's this commercial they keep airing about a product for women who have "swagger" which is apparently code for "fat smelly vag" |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes this is more like management than execution. |
| 22:22 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: they also ruin the gut fauna |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: wai wat !?! where did you see a freezer with an air inlet hose, and can you swear that you were sober ? |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt. |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform honestly i just skipped over all that, it's too insane. |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 22:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 61462 @ 0.00005056 = 3.1075 BTC [-] {16} |
| 22:24 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Rental house in southern Illinois. When there I am frequently drunk but been there enough times to verify this sober while cleaning. |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo so what happens at the joints ? |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: who sells this? and can you describe that it looked like ? |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
*what |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
3 inches of styrofoam? |
| 22:25 |
decimation |
throw some yogurt < yes you can actually: http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/rephresh-pro-b-probiotic-feminine-supplement-capsules/ID=prod6003401-product |
| 22:25 |
assbot |
RepHresh Pro-B Probiotic Feminine Supplement Capsules | Walgreens ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhq5tp ) |
| 22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
the land of the free, where stupidity creates a whole industry! |
| 22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess it must be good for the economy. |
| 22:26 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Silver hose come out of wall goes into freezer. Snake sent throug hose strikes over stove fan. |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
some demented builder |
| 22:27 |
* |
asciilifeform unable to think of, much less find on net, any possible justification for this |
| 22:27 |
decimation |
that pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard |
| 22:28 |
decimation |
for one thing, venting into a closed box means that there's no venting |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i still can't make sense of it. |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
no condensation around the hose ? |
| 22:29 |
ben_vulpes |
bb's trollin. |
| 22:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63807 @ 0.00041437 = 26.4397 BTC [-] |
| 22:32 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
| 22:32 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 231.14, Best ask: 231.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 231.48, 24 hour volume: 29169.04151104, 24 hour low: 227.75, 24 hour high: 267.92, 24 hour vwap: 246.426429178 |
| 22:32 |
asciilifeform |
re: gnat: 4.6.4 builds but actually attempting to use yields 'gnatgcc: fatal error: -fuse-linker-plugin, but liblto_plugin.so not found' |
| 22:32 |
asciilifeform |
^ does anyone other than me care |
| 22:32 |
asciilifeform |
if not about gnat, the overall state of decay. |
| 22:33 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: what are you trying to compile that is written in ada? |
| 22:33 |
asciilifeform |
'hello world' |
| 22:33 |
decimation |
heh |
| 22:33 |
BingoBoingo |
about decay yes. WFT "fix" was important enough to kill this |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
who wants to laugh, but there are precisely two programming languages in existence which are 1) standardized and 2) you can -actually write complete systems- using -the language described in the standard- |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
two and only two. |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ada and lisp ? |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
common lisp |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
and yes - ada. |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: even usg has abandoned ada |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
but not because it failed to serve a purpose |
| 22:36 |
asciilifeform |
(pet peeve of mine - 'lisp' (or worse, the '60s-ism LISP) is a hopelessly nonspecific term that encompasses languages that differ from one another far more even than 'algol' differs from 'c') |
| 22:36 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: usg, interestingly, did not entirely abandon. but under pressure from microshit (primarily) relaxed the ancient laws |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
avionics, power plant controls, the like - systems whose failure reliably produces piles of corpses and messy 'pr' - are still very heavy on ada. |
| 22:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Also sun when they were monied enough to bezzel up Java |
| 22:38 |
decimation |
presumably they do not use gcc |
| 22:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.0004195 = 20.5555 BTC [+] |
| 22:38 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: actually - they do |
| 22:38 |
decimation |
heh |
| 22:38 |
asciilifeform |
or rather, the ada component of gcc is based on the ancient usg-commissioned thing |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
an ancient usg |
| 22:39 |
decimation |
I doubt they use x86 for such purposes either |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
thing is mainly architecture-agnostic, interestingly |
| 22:39 |
asciilifeform |
(no big surprise to folks accustomed to gcc) |
| 22:39 |
BingoBoingo |
^ most good things are architecture agnostic |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
i advise folks to learn enough ada to understand why something quite like it is necessary. |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
it is more or less the antithesis of the 'hip language' |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
in being tremendously unpleasant to work in |
| 22:41 |
decimation |
the problem is that many of the promises of ada cannot be kept by the underlying hardware |
| 22:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2450 @ 0.0007311 = 1.7912 BTC [-] {18} |
| 22:41 |
asciilifeform |
situation today is that most folks would not even notice a promise broken by hardware |
| 22:41 |
asciilifeform |
because it can be reliably blamed on softs. |
| 22:42 |
asciilifeform |
you more or less have to present a smoking cratered cpu to make others believe in 'it was the hardware' |
| 22:42 |
decimation |
yeah that's a good point |
| 22:42 |
asciilifeform |
there are interesting things to be learned from the ada approach, if you can pinch your nose and get past the 'ick factor' |
| 22:43 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, all error messages refer to a page in the rationale book |
| 22:43 |
asciilifeform |
(in traditional implementations) |
| 22:43 |
asciilifeform |
buffer overflows, pointer fandango, etc. - are impossible |
| 22:43 |
asciilifeform |
^ without requiring a bulky 'runtime' |
| 22:44 |
TheNewDeal |
;;Later tell TomServo sorry I missed you last evening. Went out for some drinks and left my irc on. Will be back thursday evening |
| 22:44 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 22:45 |
asciilifeform |
just what the doctor ordered for proggys whose behaviour (and error modes) must follow rigorous spec, or user - dies. |
| 22:47 |
thestringpuller |
a canadian appears |
| 22:47 |
BingoBoingo |
!up pete_dushenski |
| 22:48 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah there's much to like in this approach |
| 22:48 |
punkman |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B971P9XCEAIKleT.jpg |
| 22:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1zhrDnk ) |
| 22:50 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: in your portotronic script, the line `make STATIC=1 -f makefile.unix bitcoind` ends up doing "-Wl,-Bstatic ... -Wl,-Bdynamic" when actually executed because of the bug in the makefile. |
| 22:51 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: there's also ARINC standard 653 if you want an RTOS along with your ada |
| 22:51 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: odd. because i ended up with proper static linking |
| 22:51 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: did check the elf |
| 22:51 |
mod6 |
is it appropriate to do `make LMODE="static" LMODE2="static" -f makefile.unix bitcoind` instead? |
| 22:51 |
decimation |
actually it would be interesting to know exactly what hardware is used in modern avionics |
| 22:52 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: no, i didn't im currently rebuilding. |
| 22:53 |
mod6 |
sec... |
| 22:53 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes might have the same problem with his, is there something he should be specifically looking for in the elf? |
| 22:54 |
thestringpuller |
jurov: PM me about how to go about renting aws instance. |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
$ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf --dynamic bitcoind-armv5-bastard |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
Dynamic section at offset 0x3f3874 contains 32 entries: |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
Tag Type Name/Value |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libdl.so.2] |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libpthread.so.0] |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libstdc++.so.6] |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.6] |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libgcc_s.so.1] |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.6] |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [ld-linux.so.3] |
| 22:56 |
asciilifeform |
[detail snipped] |
| 22:56 |
asciilifeform |
so everything but the std libs is statically linked in |
| 22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2015/just-how-stupid-is-the-redditard-crowd/ << one of the lulziest things on trilema. |
| 22:56 |
assbot |
Just how stupid is the Redditard crowd ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhshkC ) |
| 22:56 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: is "z" not used, noticed you removed it from portatronic |
| 22:56 |
mod6 |
i thought we didn't want to use shared libs? only static libs *.a's |
| 22:56 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: zlib is only demanded by the retarded version of boost |
| 22:56 |
asciilifeform |
forget after which date |
| 22:56 |
asciilifeform |
it isn't used in bitcoin, no. |
| 22:57 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: i overlooked the std lib stuff, was satisfied with not seeing openssl, boost, bdb. but you are quite right, this is not a proper static elf |
| 22:57 |
asciilifeform |
see if you can produce one. |
| 22:58 |
mod6 |
ok. no problem. just trying to get it down to a spec |
| 22:58 |
mod6 |
workin on it :) |
| 22:59 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/break-points/4025675/RTOS-dissatisfaction < "Safety-critical applications may need a certifiable OS. That's not one meant for an asylum, but one that can, for tolerable costs, be shown to conform to a standard like DO-178B. The costs are staggering; the certification process for one app I know of generated half a page of documentation per line of code." |
| 22:59 |
assbot |
RTOS dissatisfaction | Embedded ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhswMP ) |
| 23:00 |
asciilifeform |
fortunately we are not interested in usg certificates. |
| 23:00 |
decimation |
have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/ |
| 23:00 |
assbot |
µC/OS-III Overview | Micrium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsBjy ) |
| 23:00 |
asciilifeform |
but 'half a page of docs per line' is about what ought to be expected of 'therealbitcoin' when mature. |
| 23:01 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: yes. and i can't say that i am interested in any future direction of 'c os' on 'c machines' |
| 23:01 |
asciilifeform |
incl. it. |
| 23:01 |
decimation |
heh yeah |
| 23:02 |
decimation |
yeah, 'half a page of docs per line' is pretty much the same as your 'what does this line do?' test |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
not quite |
| 23:02 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/ << Wild guess here, but would bet at the right odds, FreeBSD userland on Minix like microkernel |
| 23:02 |
assbot |
µC/OS-III Overview | Micrium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsBjy ) |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
the test is, in my imagination, an exam given in real time, in the flesh |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
that is, reactive and unpredictable. |
| 23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
like soviet exams |
| 23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
someone's been reading on punishments. |
| 23:03 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yes, of course, but the student must learn from something |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
now that it came up, mircea_popescu did have a 'punishments' article that used something like that formula |
| 23:03 |
ben_vulpes |
"disproportionate" is in there too. |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
iirc it was 'disproportionate, unpredictable,' |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
and something else |
| 23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ah, unrelated ? |
| 23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
well, sanity neverthleess. |
| 23:04 |
asciilifeform |
but yes related |
| 23:04 |
asciilifeform |
an exam is something like a punishment (for what? for having not yet demonstrated mastery, of course) |
| 23:04 |
asciilifeform |
not the same, but related, as a ladder is to a staircase |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/#rf4-858 |
| 23:05 |
assbot |
Inconvenience | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsUuI ) |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently it only exists in romanian anyways |
| 23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform impredictable, disproportionate and visible. |
| 23:05 |
asciilifeform |
aha! |
| 23:05 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
| 23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform which incidentally is the missing point in the supreme court discussion of punishment quoted as it happens earlier |
| 23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
they fail to consider that punishing the mentally retarded is a signal FOR EVERYONE |
| 23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
including the non-mentally retarded. |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
it's quite ridoinculous what sort of compartimentalised nonsense they sprout. you'd flunk senior hs essays for this |
| 23:07 |
decimation |
for this reason the us should bring back hangings and should televise them live |
| 23:07 |
* |
asciilifeform highly recomments the historic tour 'seeing justice done' by p. friedland. one of the very few good works on the subject |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation i dunno if i descreibed it or not, but i think so : the prison zoo. |
| 23:07 |
asciilifeform |
of the hows and whys of public executions in europe from 800 or so ad to present |
| 23:08 |
asciilifeform |
!s zoolag |
| 23:08 |
assbot |
10 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
torture people behind the glass, force highschoolers to visit yearly. |
| 23:08 |
asciilifeform |
yeah this was described |
| 23:08 |
asciilifeform |
beautiful idea. |
| 23:08 |
decimation |
I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style' |
| 23:09 |
decimation |
but that's difficult to capture through a window |
| 23:09 |
ben_vulpes |
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#L210 ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.7.2/src/rpcblockchain.cpp#L12 |
| 23:09 |
assbot |
bitcoin/bitcoinrpc.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtdWf ) |
| 23:09 |
assbot |
bitcoin/rpcblockchain.cpp at v0.7.2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtdWm ) |
| 23:09 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style' << Quality punitive torture can leave souveniers |
| 23:10 |
decimation |
for thieves, embezzlers, etc it gives a good yardstick |
| 23:10 |
decimation |
'pay back yer debt in coal' |
| 23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. dig a yard of trench per dollar embezzled. |
| 23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
it's healthy, too. most usians could immensely benefit from more exercise, especially if nude under the nude sky. |
| 23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
wai wut? i thought bezzling was a good thing. |
| 23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes so is digging. |
| 23:11 |
decimation |
heh. only if you are in on it |
| 23:11 |
ben_vulpes |
end of times and all that fun stuff. |
| 23:12 |
punkman |
I was making a case for "sentence all members of parliament to 30 years hard labor" yesterday at dinner, "but what of the innocent ones" |
| 23:13 |
TheNewDeal |
20? |
| 23:15 |
ben_vulpes |
ABSOLUTELY UNRELATED |
| 23:15 |
ben_vulpes |
https://scroguard.com/ |
| 23:15 |
assbot |
Scroguard | Less Worry. More Fun. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtCrM ) |
| 23:16 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu: yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt. <<< but you can throw some yogurt out of it! http://www.inquisitr.com/1839518/phd-student-creates-yoghurt-using-her-vagina/ |
| 23:16 |
assbot |
PhD Student Creates Yogurt Using Her Vagina ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtEjv ) |
| 23:16 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: I don't get it |
| 23:16 |
asciilifeform |
!s menstrual cookies |
| 23:16 |
assbot |
0 results for 'menstrual cookies' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=menstrual+cookies |
| 23:17 |
asciilifeform |
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7633136.html?sid=1e44c177a5b76671206084811186d30e << on earlier thread |
| 23:17 |
assbot |
Gentoo Forums :: View topic - The state of Ada on Gentoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtGIb ) |
| 23:18 |
decimation |
the 'forced exercise' idea reminds me of a passage in the 'rise and fall of the third reich': "The young in the Third Reich were growing up to have strong and healthy bodies, faith in the future of their country and in themselves and a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that shattered all class and economic and social barriers. I thought of that later, in the May days of 1940, when along the road between Aachen and Brussels one saw |
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| 23:18 |
decimation |
the contrast between the German soldiers, bronzed and clean-cut from a youth spent in the sunshine on an adequate diet, and the first British war prisoners, with their hollow chests, round shoulders, pasty complexions and bad teeth – tragic examples of the youth that England had neglected so irresponsibly in the years between the wars." |
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| 23:29 |
BingoBoingo |
!up julmac |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla eww |
| 23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman lol the innocent ones. splendid. |
| 23:35 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news : http://40.media.tumblr.com/a19733372c89135be1c4ce0aad534e2d/tumblr_n8w6mezL3y1tx1yzzo1_500.png |
| 23:35 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1zhuUDg ) |
| 23:42 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: me neither. |
| 23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
The original gmail http://web.archive.org/web/20001017105222/http://gmail.garfield.com/ |
| 23:45 |
assbot |
Set Your E-mail Free ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtnPp5 ) |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
dude where the fuck do anglos pull their data from. 0.4% BAC = LD50 ?! |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat ?! |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
in the Romania i grew up, being drunk BEGAN at .3 |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
you need like... i dunno, 5% or so to fucking die of it. |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
is that value for man even |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
or field mouse |
| 23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i tyhink it may be for feminist. |
| 23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
for the sake of argument, 0.4% means 32 ml of alcohol in the 8 liters of blood ? srsly ? |
| 23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so when i drink a liter of 52% moonshine over a night my liver takes out 50ml/hour while carefully keeping total blood alcohol under 30 least i die ? |
| 23:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Not even breakfast |
| 23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/02/just_how_many_drinks_a_day_is.html << reference. |
| 23:50 |
assbot |
The Last Psychiatrist: Just How Many Drinks A Day Is Bad? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtouGU ) |
| 23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
But legal driving limit is usually .08%. And 50% of the time, .4% is death, so there's that. |
| 23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i wish to know these 100 people out of whom 50 died of .4% bac. |
| 23:51 |
TheNewDeal |
offhand, does anyone remember the name of usagi's gold company? |
| 23:51 |
danielpbarron |
heh i was just reading about that; it's at the start of the public logs |
| 23:51 |
asciilifeform |
considering -who- typically dies of EtOH overdose, consider comorbidities. |
| 23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal sadly, no. lessee |
| 23:52 |
danielpbarron |
and it was silver, not gold; unless he had another thing i'm not aware of |
| 23:52 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the 'RTEMS' os https://devel.rtems.org/wiki/TBR/UserManual/RTEMSAda < supports ada, is open source, but is written in C |
| 23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal he did silver. tu.silver |
| 23:52 |
decimation |
it's based on some ancient usg code |
| 23:52 |
TheNewDeal |
ahhh |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: written in c, isn't a unix - hence uninteresting |
| 23:53 |
TheNewDeal |
there's a company in the us called "amagi metals" and for some reason I thought that rang a bell |
| 23:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform that's a point |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
to me. |
| 23:53 |
decimation |
apparently there are varying levels of posix support in actual flight systems |
| 23:53 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal they have been trying to trade for bitcoin with moderate success. |
| 23:54 |
TheNewDeal |
you're aware of amagi? |
| 23:54 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 23:56 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I suppose that if one really wants an os written in ada that 'fits in head' - one should write it himself |
| 23:56 |
decimation |
after all, a program that manages to boot the target and run an infinite loop is a basic os |
| 23:57 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: not even asking for an os |
| 23:57 |
decimation |
yeah I know you weren't, but I thought it was an interesting question |
| 23:57 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: just for gnat to build, from source, on my particular, unremarkable gentoo box |
| 23:57 |
asciilifeform |
the way printed on the box |
| 23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://31.media.tumblr.com/970b9af35bd767902b45116e3b5ab04a/tumblr_n7k8g6t70m1rl2fgko1_500.gif a metaphor for education. |
| 23:59 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AtqbUH ) |
| 23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"a pleasurable activity which needs outside incentives" |