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00:37 signpost hell, maybe Iran stirs up a third.
00:38 signpost US has been working hard to unite the world, could suppose several others.
00:38 signpost and the "rules-based" order idea is quite the weakness, dissolves at the first lapse of enforcement.
00:40 billymg whenever the snakes talk of "rules-based" they always omit who gets to make and enforce the rules
00:46 signpost mmmhm
00:46 billymg i just can't see russia and china going along with a world order where the US sits on top
00:46 billymg and i don't think the US has the leverage anymore to make them
00:48 signpost no, I don't think they will.
00:50 signpost and while I have very little problem with the russians, the chinese are experts at panopticon hell.
00:50 signpost with not even ideological pretense to hold them back. quite the contrary.
00:53 signpost not eagerly anticipating the chinese vision of world governance.
00:54 signpost could buckle and fall inward before then. their economy looks to be going into the shitter too.
00:57 billymg yeah, it really does seem like there are no good outcomes in all of this
01:05 billymg hey, at least our internet tokens still work
01:06 billymg and no one has busted down my door yet to send me to a labor camp, not that bad!
01:14 mats declaration of taiwanese independence is a red line that might draw china into war
01:19 mats not clear that western planners are prepared for conflict with two nuclear states
01:21 mats china certainly doesn’t want to fight, any war for any state is a moment that threatens the regime’s power, however unlikely it might seem that they might lose
01:23 mats a highly underrated foreign policy failure of usa in the ukraine matter is the lack of support from states in the mideast and africa
01:23 mats decades of economic and military engagement in the former has bought them almost no buy-in
01:26 mats even the israelis are putting in a minimal effort to protect their relationship with the russians, declining to share advanced weapons in favor of ordinary aid and some nice comments from officials
01:27 mats the jews don’t really want to take sides
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05:17 mats its ironic that its russia's military successes in syria that's got israel hedging its bets, the persians have been extraordinarily successful expanding the shia crescent while under sanctions, and the israelis desperately need to be able to fly in .sy without fear of russian sam sites
05:20 mats seems a lot of people in the west are under the misapprehension that ukraine will be the end of russia
05:21 mats most major and middle powers are carefully hedging their bets and making strong public statements while spending some nominal eight fig sum in aid
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10:20 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-24#1103237 I wonder if men of ages bygone would long for the past when "times were simpler" and whether that's an attitude to be frowned upon and rather ungrateful.
10:20 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-24 23:46:57 vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiMUOuYUy1w
10:21 crtdaydreams I don't know whether to frame it as a form of "nostalgia" either.
10:24 crtdaydreams I by no means would like to suggest that one goes amish, but there's something about things like horse riding, shooting, sailing etc. that's just *organic*
10:26 crtdaydreams A good comparison would be electic steering on a car.
10:27 crtdaydreams vs. direct control w/ power steering.
10:30 crtdaydreams (personal preference here) I hate electric steering, you can't _feel_ the vehicle, the minute changes and bumps in the road.
10:33 crtdaydreams then again, it wouldn't matter much if *you* don't actually drive anymore.
10:35 crtdaydreams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZn0Jz_D2k\
10:39 crtdaydreams phf: was looking at rifles, from TAoR Cooper mentions the Blaser R93, I had a look at their lineup, R8 looks pretty schmick
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15:02 phf i have a cheap ("we don't call them cheap, they are low cost"--gun store owner) savage 308. it makes small spread holes where i point it at about 300yrd
15:05 phf hmm, these blaser rifles look cool. i have that same problem i had with guitars though. i'm left handed, and have to choose between limited left-handed stock of often mildly inferior product, or use righthanded and some technique
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15:08 phf cooper describes a left handed pull on a right handed rifle in one of his articles (that's how i ran into his work), and it's not too bad. i think in taor he mentions lefies also, and how some world champions does left handed pull and how it doesn't deter him, but it's still not ideal.
15:12 phf for example depending on how far back your scope extends and how high it sits, the "tilt, over and pull" method becomes more cumbersome, and keeping the sight becomes significantly harder
15:16 phf so atm in bolt action i have a savage 308 synthetic and a weatherby 300 wmag wood both lefty. i'm of the opinion that premium items ought to be used with no concern for their cost, but i still end up handling 308 significantly more because i e.g. can just throw it in the back of the jeep without looking for a bag or whatever
15:23 phf on the other hand with that weatherby i did 1125yd ~~4in on a still day (worse with wind, but that's because i don't know what i'm doing)
15:24 phf which ultimately opens up the most important question, whachu got that rifle for
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15:26 phf apropos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS6_Y6r5r-8
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17:53 * asciilifeform surprised how cheap that 308
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18:21 signpost https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961 << man. the pigs kept parents *out* while this went on. I wager some of those fathers were armed, and willing to go in.
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18:23 signpost what is hell supposed to be exactly, if not this?
18:23 signpost obviously not for me; for them.
18:24 signpost if this is this country's cultural output it has to be stopped for whatever's left of humanity.
18:25 signpost "sorry ma'am, think of the paperwork I'll have to file while on paid leave if I let your husband in there."
18:28 verisimilitude I can't help but feel amusement.
18:31 verisimilitude ````When the cops came, the cop said: ``Yell if you need help!'' And one of the persons in my class said ``help.'' The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her,'' the boy said.''
18:32 verisimilitude Yes, signpost, this will break the camel's back, not Waco or anything else in the past century.
18:32 verisimilitude The US started rotting before anyone here was born.
18:33 verisimilitude Bankers cause this.
18:33 signpost didn't say anything about it being a turning point.
18:35 verisimilitude I know; I preemptively wrote that.
18:36 signpost certainly financialism does have something to do with rendering profit the sole motive of action.
18:36 verisimilitude I mean the bankers not only want power, but they cause cultural rot for its own sake.
18:36 signpost mass production of military weapons for civilians hasn't much to do with ideology other than increasing market size.
18:37 verisimilitude Is Pest military-grade?
18:38 signpost I prefer to discuss what I've said, rather than what you'd like to imply I mean.
18:38 signpost hard as it may be in the US to imagine a culture, cultures have existed.
18:38 verisimilitude What's wrong with civilians having military-grade gear?
18:40 shinohai asciilifeform: can haz gpgram of your latest pest ip at yer convenience so can update AT ?
18:40 signpost shinohai: hm, shouldn't his message have updated your AT?
18:40 signpost verisimilitude: read what I've said again and ask a smarter question.
18:40 asciilifeform shinohai: 71.114.46.117 , it aint a seekrit. but yes how come your station not auto-eaten it ?
18:41 signpost I've said I own a rifle myself.
18:41 shinohai Dunno currently testing smalpest via pentacle, don't think it auto-updates.
18:41 signpost to give you a few more clues, is it a fact of life generally, or the US specifically that an eyeliner-wearing cuck just mowed down a bunch of children?
18:41 verisimilitude I retract any question, signpost.
18:42 verisimilitude In China, they just use hammers or gasoline, signpost.
18:42 signpost they're as hopeless there as here.
18:42 asciilifeform signpost: 'postals', incl. in kindergartens, fwiw also 'invented' in ru , tho typically there folx use shotgun (worx even better, make 'ground beef')
18:43 signpost asciilifeform: seems entirely in line with useless male primate behavior
18:43 verisimilitude Perhaps the entire world is hopeless, because anyone who isn't can easily be destroyed by most anyone who is.
18:44 signpost verisimilitude: perhaps there are cultural operating systems that would better filter failed males.
18:44 verisimilitude It's certainly easier, being hopeless.
18:44 verisimilitude Sure, but eugenics is out of style, signpost.
18:45 asciilifeform signpost: there seems to be a mammalian script, 'hey you won't make room for me? well, how about eat some lead, for piglet!!!! '
18:45 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-02-03 asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
18:45 signpost lol
18:45 signpost yep, exactly that. lots of primates will kill the offspring of opponent males.
18:46 signpost the human version's more abstract, but echoes the theme.
18:46 verisimilitude I just found this stupid shit: The current IPv4 is unnecessarily slow and suffers from inability to deploy new features. To remediate these problems, software vendors and also big content and access ISPs are going to remove IPv4 backwards compatibility in favor of IPv6 on February 1st, 2030.
18:46 asciilifeform there's no 'operating system for failed males', they gotta be used up in some usefully selective meatgrinder (war, arctic colonizations, etc) or will explode.
18:47 signpost the operating system I'm referring to is the culture, that would yes, arrange these.
18:47 verisimilitude I'd rather watch the author die on 2030-02-01 than IPv4.
18:48 verisimilitude An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
18:48 asciilifeform verisimilitude: 'Supporters They don’t endorse anything on this page, but they love the internet.' [followed by a buncha nobodies]
18:49 verisimilitude See, at least if the author shot up a school instead, there would maybe be an entertaining video to watch.
18:50 signpost dissociation is a coward's way to cope with reality.
18:50 asciilifeform 'Firewalls which drop IPv6 packets with such protocols are making the situation worse for everyone, including worsening DoS attacks and inducing higher latency for DNS traffic' << asciilifeform will continue to drop all ipv6 , at home and at isp and anywhere else where operates a net
18:51 verisimilitude Sure, but dissociation can be more fun than reality.
18:52 verisimilitude I don't think reality minds, signpost.
18:52 signpost nobody gives a shit what tautology keeps you chuckling.
18:53 * asciilifeform ftr officially supports 'postal'/'make room!11'/etc folx, if could devise a way for'em to make rocket launchers outta old napkins, would. what the rotting civ needs most direly is the fucking gc to finally come around.
18:53 signpost https://archive.ph/UHGme << Once freed, Gomez moved away from the crowd, broke into a run, jumped a fence, and ran inside to rescue her children. "She sprinted out of the school with them," the Journal reports.
18:53 signpost that's what a human being looks like.
18:54 asciilifeform great inca cultures dependence, etc.
18:54 verisimilitude We agree, asciilifeform. I support people who kill those for whom I don't care at all, or even know. I'd only mind if I or someone whom I know were killed.
18:54 asciilifeform verisimilitude: errybody dies eventually.
18:54 signpost verisimilitude: that view in aggregate is what we already have.
18:55 verisimilitude There are cultures for which I care greatly, but I'd be regarded as insane by a normal person for valuing them.
18:56 asciilifeform rec. reading: 'stand on zanzibar', j.brunner.
18:56 asciilifeform the bleating herd ~will~ be thinned.
18:57 verisimilitude Hey, asciilifeform, this is interesting.
18:58 verisimilitude ``An EDNS buffer size of 1232 bytes will avoid fragmentation on nearly all current networks.''
18:58 asciilifeform snore
18:58 verisimilitude A pest message could probably be expanded a little, without issue, rather than eating into the payload.
18:58 verisimilitude That's all.
18:58 signpost if by cucks defended by pigs, I look forward to the great civilization they create.
18:58 asciilifeform 'stand on zanzibar'. 1337 w4r3z. ftr.
18:59 asciilifeform verisimilitude: fwiw i like it as it is. i.e. compat. with ancient irons / softs.
19:00 verisimilitude I was just trying to offer helpful information.
19:01 verisimilitude On the topic of Pest, I'll eventually finish my Serpent implementations, and then I'll have all required pieces for combining.
19:01 asciilifeform signpost: fwiw, e.g. 'coca cola' alone kills erry day moar than net from 'postals' to date. somehow no 'omg111outrage' there.
19:02 asciilifeform mp in particular had a great piece re subj, tho can't recall which -- where 'moostate hates and fears volitional individual over9000' etc
19:02 verisimilitude Why would the news report on a customer like that, asciilifeform?
19:02 asciilifeform verisimilitude: obv wouldn't lol
19:02 verisimilitude Yes.
19:03 asciilifeform from 'actuarial' pov, an immortal living in a magically unchanged current-day reich would be killed by e.g. police a dozen times before ever by 'postal'
19:04 asciilifeform and flattened by truck several dozen times before 'postal'
19:04 asciilifeform the concern trolls aint from 'actuarial' pov.
19:05 verisimilitude Well that's why an immortal also needs to be invincible.
19:05 asciilifeform verisimilitude: it's an actuarial logical device, 'life expectancy of a non-invincible immortal' in xyz envir.
19:06 verisimilitude Oh, how amusing.
19:06 signpost please point to the civilization in history that did not as a first priority keep the damned subhumans out of the city, let alone roving with weapons.
19:06 asciilifeform for instance, a daily commuter on wash dc 'beltway' has iirc halflife of 500y
19:06 verisimilitude Does the US after ``civil rights'' count, signpost?
19:06 asciilifeform signpost: roving subhumans (armed w/ errything from pointed stick to bmg) in 100% usa cities atm afaik
19:07 signpost so then, where did we disagree?
19:07 asciilifeform deliberately cultured unofficial enforcers of 'high class real estate' prices (i.e. out of blast radius) and other reich programmes.
19:07 signpost if you want to also criticize the view that "all lives are sacred", feel free.
19:07 verisimilitude If all lives be sacred, then clearly being sacred means little.
19:09 asciilifeform 'sacred' is a lulzy null word, you dun want to be 'sacred' necessarily (in egypt, 'sacred' cats sacrificed routinely, roman 'homo sacer' in fact is outlaw who may be killed for sport, 'belongs to the gods' , etc )
19:09 signpost this is really like talking to a brick wall with a tennis ball, my dudes.
19:09 signpost my point was that I was not presenting that view.
19:09 * asciilifeform still eating thread, not yet found where who disagreed
19:10 signpost what US is failing at is "order", which is expected, and interesting in that it means it's not traditionally speaking a state, but something else.
19:11 signpost continent-scale prison system, say.
19:11 signpost not only failing at order, but sure, actively stoking disorder as a matter of policy.
19:11 signpost in a sentence, this makes it an anti-civilization as far as that notion can be taken.
19:12 asciilifeform signpost: cultivated disorder is actually an ancient means of jacking up taxation. e.g. in egypt, barbarian horsement 'vacuumed up' periphery unopposed by center, in fact tacitly supported, drove folx to live where could be corralled / effectively taxed.
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19:12 * signpost takes the view that civilization is macrocosm of the nature of relations between individuals, and pointed out that lipstick-cuck mowing down 5yos sounds about right for this place.
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19:12 asciilifeform in current-day usa very similar.
19:13 asciilifeform is mistake to suppose that center wants order in ~entire~ reich.
19:13 asciilifeform but rather, wants disorder in 'periphery' (not necessarily geographic, e.g. in usa 'inner city')
19:14 signpost that's a good point; there's pretty limited real estate where "safe", exorbitantly expensive.
19:14 asciilifeform so as 'burghers' flee from where reich is weak to where strong.
19:14 signpost which is a tax racket.
19:14 asciilifeform is ancient stratagem.
19:15 verisimilitude Do we agree authoritarian power structures be better?
19:16 signpost distinguish one from what we have currently.
19:16 asciilifeform this, signpost , is the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of 'wai batshit crackheads with machineguns in chicago?' etc
19:16 verisimilitude I should be more specific, yes.
19:16 asciilifeform verisimilitude: we already have authoritarian reich, the above is a feature of advanced model of same.
19:16 asciilifeform there is no contradiction there.
19:16 verisimilitude I refer to an authoritarian power structure with known rulers, not a foreign cabal.
19:17 verisimilitude I refer to an honest authoritarian power structure.
19:17 asciilifeform verisimilitude: why would they do that ?
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19:17 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 14:36:15 asciilifeform: from this pov, a face that appears on a podium, tv, fishwrap -- does not belong to a lizard.
19:17 asciilifeform so that gavrilo princip could draw a bead on'em ? lol
19:18 asciilifeform secrecy worx over9000 better than bunkers, armoured limos, etc
19:18 verisimilitude Well, ideally, the lizards have lost their tails and die unsaved by their lizard god, asciilifeform.
19:18 signpost yes, I'm not sure such a thing can exist.
19:18 asciilifeform formerly there could be open rulers because maintained an effective mythology of 'right to rule'
19:19 asciilifeform today -- not
19:19 verisimilitude Where do Hitler, Stalin, and younger Kim fit in this mould?
19:19 asciilifeform so, bunkers.
19:19 asciilifeform verisimilitude: the bunker model.
19:20 asciilifeform e.g. hitler not appeared publicly ~at all since '42, when war began to go against plan and lost 'superstar' popularity
19:20 verisimilitude Well, were they the rulers, or ruled themselves?
19:20 asciilifeform among the last kings to rule 'openly'
19:23 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103464 << mr.lipstick is a horseman per the model.
19:23 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-26 15:10:52 signpost: takes the view that civilization is macrocosm of the nature of relations between individuals, and pointed out that lipstick-cuck mowing down 5yos sounds about right for this place.
19:23 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-26 15:10:43 asciilifeform: signpost: cultivated disorder is actually an ancient means of jacking up taxation. e.g. in egypt, barbarian horsement 'vacuumed up' periphery unopposed by center, in fact tacitly supported, drove folx to live where could be corralled / effectively taxed.
19:23 signpost rereading the thread, perhaps the distinguishing aspect of our time is that technology permits chaos to be eveywhere, and still outside the fences for a certain class.
19:23 signpost e.g. baghdad green zone
19:24 asciilifeform signpost: recall BingoBoingo's bmore maps etc. is no seekrit where in each locale is 'green zone', 'yellow', 'red'
19:24 verisimilitude See, I knew there was some innovation to these manmade horrors, signpost.
19:24 asciilifeform reich however also has an interest in occasionally terrorizing inhabitants of 'green zones'
19:24 signpost right, but I expect that the green zones will narrow and evaporate.
19:25 signpost who needs these when everywhere can just as well be san francisco, each oligarch building a space station.
19:25 asciilifeform generally they stay put geographically, but the moolah req'd to move from 'red' to 'yellow' or from 'yellow' to 'green' goes up, w/ 'real inflation'(tm)
19:26 asciilifeform is a tax collection mechanism, rather than 'ultimate plot to move musk to space station and errybody else madmax'
19:26 signpost oh sorry, each building on earth containing oligarchs to be as airtight as a space station.
19:27 signpost re: size of green zones, I'd expect them to be proportional to food availability
19:27 asciilifeform afaik that's a present, rather than future
19:27 signpost it is.
19:27 asciilifeform signpost: food, energy, misc. goodies
19:27 asciilifeform is why their relative scales differ in diff. parts of reich
19:28 verisimilitude I'd like to see someone shoot an RPG at these buildings, rather than shoot up another school, already.
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19:29 signpost certainly there's an aspect of "oh, bravo, moar fish in a bucket eh?"
19:29 signpost while e.g. soros sits happily in damp undies.
19:30 verisimilitude Yes.
19:30 asciilifeform asciilifeform's upstack observation is that 'postalist', like last decade's 'terrorist' or 19th c 'anarchist' figure in fact serves, whether wants to or not, and is cultivated by, the reich. when machinegun costs 100k for whitebread aficionado, mr.lipstick will still find one, gestapo will give him a working and freshly oiled one. because how else make the sheep bleat 'plz neuter us', how else justify a $trillion poli
19:30 asciilifeform ce state, etc
19:31 signpost with this I agree 100%.
19:31 verisimilitude I think we be long past justifying it, asciilifeform.
19:31 signpost just making the observation that it implies living in a crude kind of civilization, not befitting the term.
19:31 signpost maybe someday we invent civilization again.
19:32 asciilifeform verisimilitude: 'justify' in the sense of enthusiastic support of the bleaters, 1e10 tips to gestapo erry week, etc
19:32 asciilifeform (in ye olde germany gestapo in fact had to arrest and shoot a few overenthusiastic morons, as it was under dangerous 'ddos' for virtually entire existence )
19:32 verisimilitude Call me crazy, but I still think we should let the Irish and Italians in next time, signpost.
19:33 signpost lol
19:33 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103512 << asciilifeform in thrd offers 'key' to 'why always kindergarten, and never davos'
19:33 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-26 15:26:49 verisimilitude: I'd like to see someone shoot an RPG at these buildings, rather than shoot up another school, already.
19:34 asciilifeform answr is that 'rpg at davos' is snipped in the bud reliably and not even advertised by gestapo as 'looksee, we foiled great plot', desaparecido and 0 publicity
19:35 asciilifeform whereas 'haha, look at my new mg, where is nearest kindergarten' type -- 100% handsoff, and if he can't afford the mg, will be given.
19:35 asciilifeform and offen enuff (per 'sandy hook'(tm)) there'll even be a minder ('vanishing 2nd shooter') there, to make sure he goes through with it.
19:38 verisimilitude Well, if we may, let's start discussing something else; there will always be another shooting soon enough. I'd rather discuss hacking.
19:38 asciilifeform verisimilitude: held like clockwork 2-3x/yr
19:38 asciilifeform erry time 'surprise!!'
19:38 signpost sure. I'm over here working on the encoder again today.
19:39 verisimilitude This encodes what?
19:39 signpost http://trinque.org/2022/02/19/online-codes-in-python-wip/ << this thinger.
19:39 asciilifeform signpost: maymounkov's algo ?
19:39 asciilifeform a
19:40 signpost working it towards a little demo of a swarm download.
19:40 verisimilitude Oh, right.
19:48 asciilifeform nifty
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22:36 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103364 << i'm not into conspiracies, but! woulnd't want your postal event turn into "hero dad rushes active shooter" story. "sir, SIR, stand BACK, authorized actors only!"
22:36 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-26 14:19:43 signpost: https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961 << man. the pigs kept parents *out* while this went on. I wager some of those fathers were armed, and willing to go in.
22:41 * signpost can see uniformed dick-shriveling in play, at least.
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23:06 verisimilitude I don't believe the importance of representation is stressed enough in programming. Part of the reason computing is in such a sorry state is because idiots insist on only using their representations.
23:07 verisimilitude It could be argued that he who hasn't used a new representation to solve a problem hasn't really solved it differently.
23:19 asciilifeform phf: in some of usa one might get away with nailing a nutter who busts into yer house, but afaik in all 50 bagging one in public is privilege exclusively for the polizei
23:20 asciilifeform see e.g.
23:25 asciilifeform 'it aint a bug -- but a feature'(tm). the polizei are there ~to~ protect yer terrorizers ~from you~.
23:26 signpost sounds about right.
23:26 * signpost got jumped by strangers, spent decent chunk of cash on the aftermath.
23:27 asciilifeform aha. picture if hadn't the dough.
23:27 asciilifeform iirc BingoBoingo had a similar misadventure back in reich.
23:28 asciilifeform if ends w/ a corpse (not your own, that is) can easily cost errything you have + over9000
23:29 * signpost was beat quite to hell, just had audacity to return the favor.
23:29 signpost so yep
23:30 * asciilifeform read a neato memoir once, by ru fella, '5 years in the starred-and-striped gulag', he answered a knife with a knife in nyc, did 5y (of iirc 10) until granted deportation in early 2000s
23:35 asciilifeform if a scum knifes, shoots, an actual person, beat cop will fill out a form and fughet about it; if reverse -- manhunt, 'trayvon'(tm), media circus, show trials. because, elementarily, crime against the reich per se, its monopoly.
23:35 phf i also had that experience. used to do club promotion with dc dude bros, a good friend of mine, when drunk and alone at the end of the night would start antagonizing guys into fights, taught me early on that "other must throw first punch". well it gets messier when it's "his friends against my friends". at some point someone pressed charges. i came out unscathed, but made me weary of bar fights
23:36 phf but also no trayvons involved, everyone in that mess was a good old boy (which is i believe how it got ultimately settled, fathers resolved)
23:38 asciilifeform afaik typical, if no participant is 'protected species'
23:39 phf but also one of the early "huh, it's not russia anymore" moments. one of girl's favorite talking points is that criminalization of bar fights is why there's no good police anymore: if you're never been punched in the face, have much harder time handling your adrenaline, do dumb shit in a critical situation like that
23:40 * asciilifeform not able to comment re bars, is a place where asciilifeform just about as outta element as in a church.
23:42 signpost apparently I got hit right on the button, because the next memory is ground up fists and antagonizing the pigs.
23:42 signpost ought've yeah, just been "whoops, something got out of hand" and everyone going home.
23:45 * signpost bbl, food
23:49 * shinohai can't imagine asciilifeform at a bar tbh, but alone and morose in front of an old xray machine drinking vodka straight from bottle .....
23:50 asciilifeform shinohai: drinking reqs moar spare time than asciilifeform has naodays, lol
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23:51 phf dc nightlife is not engineer friendly
23:52 asciilifeform for asciilifeform 'nightlife' is when idiocy at terminal at dawn, or into wee hrs
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23:52 asciilifeform ( i.e. when actually possible to $work w/out interruptions )
23:53 phf i got into dc nightlife because dc life is even worse and i got tired of "termianl at dawn"
23:54 asciilifeform well just 'getting tired' aint quite enuff for to stop, lol
23:54 asciilifeform ( or not many participants would remain )
23:55 * asciilifeform dun recall ever encountering anybody at all in salt mines who aint 'tired'
23:57 phf i think there's an element of hikikomori living to it, at least there was in my case.
23:59 phf on top of that what used to be a deviant behavior (i finished work on computer, i can now relax on computer) is now a norm, for broader range of "computer"
23:59 * asciilifeform possibly not true 'hiki' , as not lived alone for ~20y, but otherwise qualifies
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